1 00:00:00,780 --> 00:00:05,250 Adam Curry: podcasting going over may 10 2024, episode 179 2 00:00:05,340 --> 00:00:12,270 Swiss Army Hello everybody, welcome once again to podcasting 3 00:00:12,270 --> 00:00:16,260 2.0 You are in the boardroom. That's right. This is where it 4 00:00:16,260 --> 00:00:19,050 happens, where we discuss everything that's going on with 5 00:00:19,050 --> 00:00:22,380 podcasting. We run with scissors, sometimes the 6 00:00:22,380 --> 00:00:25,920 Poklonnaya out, but for sure we are the only boardroom that lets 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,950 you control the soundboard. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of 8 00:00:28,950 --> 00:00:32,070 the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the man who brings over 9 00:00:32,070 --> 00:00:36,600 160 years of in house experience saying hello to my friend on the 10 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,230 other end, the one and only Mr. Dave Jones. 11 00:00:41,430 --> 00:00:45,090 Dave Jones: Those stats always cracked me up. Like what does 12 00:00:45,090 --> 00:00:48,150 Adam Curry: that prove at all? We're discussing some marketing 13 00:00:48,150 --> 00:00:51,870 message from some company that has rediscovered that chapters. 14 00:00:52,470 --> 00:00:54,720 Oh, there it is. 15 00:00:56,010 --> 00:00:58,800 Dave Jones: It Wait, is this the new Haley Pena? 16 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,140 Adam Curry: You better believe baby this thing is set up and 17 00:01:01,140 --> 00:01:03,180 rockin and rollin. Oh, yeah. 18 00:01:05,940 --> 00:01:06,990 Dave Jones: Okay, all right. Hold 19 00:01:06,990 --> 00:01:10,950 Adam Curry: on. Hold on. June finish. Yeah. Okay. All right. 20 00:01:10,950 --> 00:01:12,660 band ended. Thank you very good 21 00:01:12,690 --> 00:01:16,320 Dave Jones: job to show when you have you have configured 22 00:01:16,320 --> 00:01:17,550 multiple sounds or 23 00:01:17,550 --> 00:01:21,330 Adam Curry: Oh, yes. i Yes. i Okay. So we talked about this. 24 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,300 He didn't work on the lash. I know I did some homework for the 25 00:01:24,300 --> 00:01:29,730 show. We talked about this on the last show. Eric peepee. My 26 00:01:29,730 --> 00:01:35,280 man, my man, Eric QTP. has upgraded heli pad to become an 27 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:42,210 application. It is the application I am in love with. I 28 00:01:42,210 --> 00:01:46,890 am I adore this thing now. And I And let me explain why. For the 29 00:01:46,890 --> 00:01:50,310 uninitiated, when we are using value for value, which if you're 30 00:01:50,310 --> 00:01:52,860 listening to show you've probably heard about it, you get 31 00:01:52,860 --> 00:01:56,610 one of those modern podcast apps, you can stream any amount 32 00:01:56,610 --> 00:01:58,740 of value you want while you're listening to your favorite 33 00:01:58,740 --> 00:02:02,040 podcast or from time to time, you can hit the boost button and 34 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,100 add a message now numerology has always been a very important 35 00:02:05,100 --> 00:02:08,040 thing in the value for value world or as we call it, the 36 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:13,350 value verse. And why don't I call it the value verse? Yeah. 37 00:02:14,670 --> 00:02:18,120 It's the value verse. Okay, the value verse notes, Music is 38 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,870 everything, everything in the value verse. And so on no 39 00:02:21,870 --> 00:02:25,170 agenda, we noticed, you know, 15 years ago that people like 40 00:02:25,170 --> 00:02:28,320 sending in certain amounts, and, you know, then there's, there's 41 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:36,270 like 3333 is there's no 77 777 77 11111, all kinds of 42 00:02:36,270 --> 00:02:38,250 different numbers for all kinds of 888. 43 00:02:38,250 --> 00:02:39,480 Dave Jones: And by the way, that's Google standard. 44 00:02:40,290 --> 00:02:44,130 Adam Curry: So helipad is an application that you installed. 45 00:02:44,370 --> 00:02:48,720 Typically, I think for now, it really, the easiest way to 46 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,440 install is if you have an umbrella, or like me, I am using 47 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:56,010 an on Start nine. Now you do need your own node. But you 48 00:02:56,010 --> 00:02:59,550 know, once you're in the, in the league of podcasters, that we're 49 00:02:59,550 --> 00:03:03,540 in, you know, you got to have your node. And you're not 50 00:03:03,540 --> 00:03:03,840 running 51 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:05,700 Dave Jones: your own node. And yeah, 52 00:03:05,700 --> 00:03:06,750 Adam Curry: you're not in the big leagues. 53 00:03:07,170 --> 00:03:10,290 Dave Jones: So you're not hosting your own WordPress, 54 00:03:10,500 --> 00:03:10,890 right, 55 00:03:10,890 --> 00:03:14,190 Adam Curry: I mean, come on. So then you basically get a little 56 00:03:14,190 --> 00:03:18,630 webpage and every you can look at the streams coming in. And 57 00:03:18,660 --> 00:03:21,060 you know, that's very exciting, because you just kind of watch 58 00:03:21,060 --> 00:03:23,820 it, it's like, oh, that's cool, you know, someone's listening, 59 00:03:23,820 --> 00:03:26,850 it makes you feel good. You don't need stats, you just look 60 00:03:26,850 --> 00:03:29,940 at this, like there's someone out there in the world. And you 61 00:03:29,940 --> 00:03:32,610 can usually even see their nickname they put in there and 62 00:03:32,610 --> 00:03:34,890 you can see what app they're using. And you can see that 63 00:03:34,890 --> 00:03:37,830 they're sending you value in real time it makes you feel very 64 00:03:37,830 --> 00:03:42,300 warm and fuzzy. Now when someone sends you a booster gram you 65 00:03:42,300 --> 00:03:46,890 have a separate page and you can see the amount the boost that 66 00:03:46,890 --> 00:03:53,370 someone has given you who gave it to you and any message and in 67 00:03:53,370 --> 00:03:57,210 some cases on some of the really cool apps you can even reply 68 00:03:57,210 --> 00:04:01,350 some some some SATs back if you want so that was working all 69 00:04:01,350 --> 00:04:04,050 fine. You know, I was happy I was happy as a clam. Oh and by 70 00:04:04,050 --> 00:04:08,910 the way, export to CSV very important that I use this 71 00:04:08,910 --> 00:04:13,740 feature on all of my shows. So I can export I can import as a 72 00:04:13,740 --> 00:04:18,540 pivot table. I feel so powerful that spreadsheet the spreadsheet 73 00:04:18,540 --> 00:04:22,500 Yeah, yeah and pivot table I mean, who knew I'm you import as 74 00:04:22,860 --> 00:04:27,540 as import and excel boom, pivot table, Data tab, Data tab, data 75 00:04:27,540 --> 00:04:31,200 tabs, thank you. And you can select by episode and it's 76 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,280 really handy if you want to do a boost to gram segment and for 77 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:39,750 accounting purposes for the IRS. So now it has been so now you 78 00:04:39,750 --> 00:04:43,110 have a sent tab. So if you sent somebody some value back you can 79 00:04:43,110 --> 00:04:45,630 see that if the boost the streams in the set, but now we 80 00:04:45,630 --> 00:04:50,250 have a configuration tab there's a little gear icon gear icons 81 00:04:50,280 --> 00:04:51,210 are to be clicked on. 82 00:04:52,590 --> 00:04:54,570 Dave Jones: And it's the first thing you do as an advanced as a 83 00:04:54,570 --> 00:04:55,110 power user 84 00:04:55,110 --> 00:04:57,480 Adam Curry: power user. So I'm just going to explain what I'm 85 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,480 seeing. So there's three tabs now that show up Jen Roll 86 00:05:01,050 --> 00:05:07,230 numerology for 300 and web hooks now we start with general. So 87 00:05:07,230 --> 00:05:11,820 first, I can now already change what my helipad is showing, I 88 00:05:11,820 --> 00:05:15,540 can show the split percentage calculated when it comes in, I 89 00:05:15,540 --> 00:05:19,770 can show the SATs received that I actually receive rather than 90 00:05:19,770 --> 00:05:22,170 the total boost amount. I don't like that one because I'd like 91 00:05:22,170 --> 00:05:25,920 to see the whole or you can also say, don't show anything from 92 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,640 the riffraff if it's below a certain amount like yeah, 100 93 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,720 sets new I'm not going to display you your floor, he says 94 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,410 a floor exactly then you have sounds put in play a sound 95 00:05:37,410 --> 00:05:39,660 whenever new boost is received. Well, we've had that for a 96 00:05:39,660 --> 00:05:42,930 while. That's the everyone has knows this sound. That's the 97 00:05:42,930 --> 00:05:46,440 sound that that we have the channel open when someone boosts 98 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:50,550 us. And then you can also change that and use a custom sound for 99 00:05:50,580 --> 00:05:53,340 for that new boost. Now we go to the numerology tab, this is 100 00:05:53,340 --> 00:05:56,760 where it gets very exciting. Numerology is what I was just 101 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,240 talking about. And there's already a pre populated list of 102 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:06,060 some of the most exciting boost donations that we know of with 103 00:06:06,090 --> 00:06:11,370 their associated emoji. So for instance, a row of ducks shows 104 00:06:11,370 --> 00:06:14,040 you a couple of ducks on the page. I mean, it's just a fun 105 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:18,180 little thing, you know, is it's just so you have a visual cue, 106 00:06:18,180 --> 00:06:22,500 oh, it's a row of ducks. So 12222 comes in, you can say, ah, 107 00:06:22,530 --> 00:06:26,280 row of ducks. And it's populated with a lot of numbers that are 108 00:06:26,280 --> 00:06:32,100 already fan favorites. Now, in addition to fan favorites, I 109 00:06:32,100 --> 00:06:35,280 like in my exponent, I'm Eric VP, doing I'm doing you solid, 110 00:06:35,280 --> 00:06:35,760 bro, 111 00:06:35,790 --> 00:06:39,060 Dave Jones: this is this is like this is marketing, you would pay 112 00:06:39,060 --> 00:06:39,510 for it. Yeah. 113 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,870 Adam Curry: And by the way, people nothing will will fire 114 00:06:42,870 --> 00:06:45,720 off while I'm in setting. So hold off. You don't want to do 115 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,050 that. Because for some reason that doesn't work LPP I consider 116 00:06:49,050 --> 00:06:53,880 that to be above. But now, so you can add your own numbers. 117 00:06:54,630 --> 00:06:58,290 And in addition to that, you can add your own emojis. And you can 118 00:06:58,290 --> 00:07:04,620 also add sounds. So, for instance, as a reasonable test 119 00:07:04,620 --> 00:07:12,330 number I added to the already existing 808 which in the world 120 00:07:12,330 --> 00:07:16,650 of podcasting 2.0 and 15 year old boys is known as the boob 121 00:07:16,650 --> 00:07:22,080 donation and the emoji is to eight balls. So when you send me 122 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,080 a boob donation, you hear that little jingle which you heard, 123 00:07:25,530 --> 00:07:30,000 which is today boobs. So I have also configured some other 124 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,570 amounts which have secret sounds, which I'm not going to 125 00:07:33,570 --> 00:07:38,250 tell you about. So if someone hits one of those, and I have 126 00:07:38,250 --> 00:07:47,370 12344 Secret sounds, which are no numbers, numbers known to me 127 00:07:47,370 --> 00:07:50,370 and people have used these numbers before, they're not 128 00:07:50,370 --> 00:07:53,640 tiny. I'll give you a little hint. Because I don't want to be 129 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,740 interrupted the whole time. Yeah. 130 00:07:56,250 --> 00:07:59,250 Dave Jones: So can you give a range? Like what are the what 131 00:07:59,250 --> 00:08:02,070 are the secret numbers between? Well, they're imaginary match, 132 00:08:02,100 --> 00:08:05,550 Adam Curry: there is one number that is only three digits. And 133 00:08:05,550 --> 00:08:08,550 that has a sound, there's one so I figured I'd leave a secret 134 00:08:08,550 --> 00:08:13,890 number download for people to figure that one out. It's a 135 00:08:13,890 --> 00:08:16,620 beautiful number. That's all I'm gonna say the low rollers for 136 00:08:16,620 --> 00:08:20,910 the low rollers. Now, if you are a little bit higher in nature, I 137 00:08:20,910 --> 00:08:24,810 have one that Sam Sethi has done before. So they have a sound for 138 00:08:24,810 --> 00:08:28,770 that. And then I have some some that we have mentioned. But then 139 00:08:28,770 --> 00:08:32,040 there is also a baller boost, I mean, you can just imagine where 140 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:36,450 that'll be. So if anyone feels like trying that out, please be 141 00:08:36,450 --> 00:08:41,070 my guest during the during the course of this program. And 142 00:08:41,070 --> 00:08:44,070 because those numbers when you boost that amount you wish it 143 00:08:44,070 --> 00:08:47,430 should interrupt our flow. But the same we want to be 144 00:08:47,430 --> 00:08:51,480 interrupted. Yes. Now the thing that I am jet jet jacked about 145 00:08:52,380 --> 00:08:58,470 is the web hooks. Because now based upon a certain number, or 146 00:08:58,470 --> 00:09:01,890 any number or anything you want to do, really, you can have 147 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:07,680 something happen in the internet realm. I call this sets as a 148 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:16,980 Service says yes, says the service that says a service. And 149 00:09:17,130 --> 00:09:20,670 so I'm not I don't know how to do web hooks. I'm not going to 150 00:09:20,700 --> 00:09:24,570 bother Dave about web hooks. I understand what they are, you 151 00:09:24,570 --> 00:09:26,910 know, there's a server you gotta have a server and it's got to 152 00:09:26,910 --> 00:09:32,280 have a token and fine. All that's fine. I will put a SATs 153 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:37,290 as a service in my split in all my splits, if you can give me 154 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:42,240 something that will post on Mastodon, something that will 155 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,960 that I can connect to an IRC chat, if you will give me 156 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,290 something that will go to a leader board. Oh, and here's an 157 00:09:49,290 --> 00:09:54,540 idea. I want it to go to my SMS. If someone sends me 100,000 158 00:09:54,540 --> 00:09:58,530 SATs, I want to get an SMS text message. I hear that all the 159 00:09:58,530 --> 00:09:59,130 rage 160 00:09:59,370 --> 00:10:01,200 Dave Jones: is to hook up With Buzzsprout I think they know how 161 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:01,560 to do that. 162 00:10:03,060 --> 00:10:05,100 Adam Curry: No, I'm not. That's just because it's basically 163 00:10:05,100 --> 00:10:06,210 cross app comments. 164 00:10:06,420 --> 00:10:07,620 Dave Jones: Yeah, please do you want, 165 00:10:07,830 --> 00:10:10,680 Adam Curry: I'm gonna reach through this microphone and pull 166 00:10:10,680 --> 00:10:13,590 your head right out of my headphones. No, it's not 167 00:10:13,620 --> 00:10:18,930 basically cross app comments. It's a link in your show notes. 168 00:10:18,930 --> 00:10:24,270 No, no, I'm talking about a sophisticated SATs as a service. 169 00:10:25,020 --> 00:10:25,740 So I 170 00:10:25,740 --> 00:10:27,630 Dave Jones: apologize for trying to rile you up early in the 171 00:10:27,630 --> 00:10:28,380 show. Yeah, 172 00:10:28,410 --> 00:10:30,630 Adam Curry: that's all right. I listened to pod news weekly 173 00:10:30,630 --> 00:10:36,360 review. I got riled up. But I think this is this is the 174 00:10:36,390 --> 00:10:40,440 application that really I mean, the sky is the limit on things 175 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:46,230 we can do with boosting certain numbers. And I would be so happy 176 00:10:46,230 --> 00:10:49,980 to put people into my value block split to have certain 177 00:10:49,980 --> 00:10:52,890 services available to me that I can then configure that's why I 178 00:10:52,890 --> 00:10:56,760 call it SATs as a service that I can configure that something 179 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,910 happens in the real world I like that you know, guys got lights 180 00:10:59,910 --> 00:11:04,350 and smoke machines going off on a new video so that's not going 181 00:11:04,350 --> 00:11:07,560 to be that's not going to be that that useful for me. But I 182 00:11:07,560 --> 00:11:08,310 would love to needed 183 00:11:08,310 --> 00:11:11,160 Dave Jones: some What do you need a some sort of like a, like 184 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,090 a servo or something that's triggered that will poke Phoebe 185 00:11:15,090 --> 00:11:18,450 in the in the, with a pencil or something? 186 00:11:19,140 --> 00:11:24,960 Adam Curry: No, I got one of those zappers she just barked. I 187 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,860 got one of those collars. You know there'll Zapper? Oh, you 188 00:11:28,860 --> 00:11:36,330 don't know, I hadn't put that on her in a year. And I only use 189 00:11:36,330 --> 00:11:39,930 the vibrate function. I don't use the electricity function. By 190 00:11:39,930 --> 00:11:42,690 the way, I recommend everybody use only vibrate and not the 191 00:11:42,690 --> 00:11:46,980 electricity function. Agreed I agree with him. But I would love 192 00:11:46,980 --> 00:11:50,790 to receive a text message. Which I think is pretty easy to 193 00:11:50,790 --> 00:11:54,570 configure from my on my own on my own SMS. You know, just so 194 00:11:54,570 --> 00:11:58,170 Hey, someone just just sent this to you so I can immediately go 195 00:11:58,170 --> 00:12:01,860 in and thank them. I would love if someone sends a baller boost. 196 00:12:01,860 --> 00:12:06,840 I would like to my account on Mastodon to post Wow, look at 197 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,410 this. I just got a baller boost from Papa Papa for episode Papa 198 00:12:10,410 --> 00:12:13,710 papa. Join the fun. It's awesome. You're a loser if you 199 00:12:13,710 --> 00:12:16,980 don't have this, too. I mean, that's that's the kind of stuff 200 00:12:16,980 --> 00:12:20,610 I'm looking at. I mean, it's kind of like I want to If This 201 00:12:20,610 --> 00:12:23,610 Then That for helipad, I guess is what I'm saying? Or maybe 202 00:12:23,610 --> 00:12:27,480 even better make a web hook for if then If This Then That. 203 00:12:28,380 --> 00:12:30,630 Dave Jones: They probably support that already. I would 204 00:12:30,630 --> 00:12:35,520 think that they wouldn't do like Zapier. Zapier. Zapier. The if 205 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,970 in IFTT, like I would think that they already support those sorts 206 00:12:38,970 --> 00:12:39,720 of web hooks. 207 00:12:39,900 --> 00:12:43,170 Adam Curry: I think Chad f actually, I think Chad F sent 208 00:12:43,170 --> 00:12:45,900 the right one but it didn't fire right. Either that or I didn't 209 00:12:45,900 --> 00:12:46,470 hear it. 210 00:12:47,100 --> 00:12:49,590 Dave Jones: Or you know, a chat F try that one again. 211 00:12:50,670 --> 00:12:51,420 Adam Curry: Oh, sorry. 212 00:12:51,990 --> 00:12:54,990 Dave Jones: If you if you send the right thing, it takes a 213 00:12:54,990 --> 00:12:59,250 picture of you with your webcam and post it to Mastodon 214 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,330 Adam Curry: that's a great idea. Or take a picture never 215 00:13:03,330 --> 00:13:04,830 Dave Jones: know when it's gonna be. Yeah, that's 216 00:13:04,830 --> 00:13:05,730 Adam Curry: a fun idea. 217 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,130 Dave Jones: I like it. It may catch you picking a big booger 218 00:13:08,130 --> 00:13:11,100 out of your nose or something. I mean, like, he knows all kinds 219 00:13:11,100 --> 00:13:12,000 of fun things could happen. 220 00:13:13,020 --> 00:13:15,720 Adam Curry: Eric BP tried to small boobs. No, no brother. 221 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:20,040 That was too obvious. Now. I don't know. I wonder if this is 222 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,070 what I'm always afraid that you know, like, now we do this 223 00:13:23,070 --> 00:13:26,040 experiment and then something fails. And it doesn't work. 224 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,590 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it worked fine. It worked fine earlier, 225 00:13:28,620 --> 00:13:36,840 but I don't know. I wonder if I need to have the page in the 226 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,270 foreground sometimes. You know, you got to wonder about stuff 227 00:13:39,270 --> 00:13:40,200 like that. I 228 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:44,370 Dave Jones: wouldn't think I don't think so. Maybe. Did you 229 00:13:44,370 --> 00:13:46,440 did you close out of the settings and you're now back 230 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:47,040 into the 231 00:13:47,340 --> 00:13:50,550 Adam Curry: back into the back into the wallet see chat chat 232 00:13:50,550 --> 00:13:53,760 apps and he's resending it. So let me see if I may have 233 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,370 misconfigured it you know, no, I mean, sometimes 234 00:13:56,820 --> 00:14:00,840 Dave Jones: in order to get you click on Interact, yeah, 235 00:14:00,870 --> 00:14:03,990 Adam Curry: no, I did that. And we heard one. Okay, no, that's 236 00:14:03,990 --> 00:14:12,300 true. There we go. Blades on am Paulo Sam Sethi. 101010 Thank 237 00:14:12,300 --> 00:14:15,030 you very much. He's the big baller testing the soundboard 238 00:14:15,030 --> 00:14:20,520 BAM he nails it. Anything over 100,000 SATs that's how I 239 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,030 programmed it beautiful Sam. Thank you. He says boost testing 240 00:14:24,030 --> 00:14:25,830 the soundboard. Oh, so 241 00:14:25,830 --> 00:14:29,520 Dave Jones: this is ah okay. So you see how it works. You can 242 00:14:29,550 --> 00:14:33,000 you don't have to have an exact amount you can say you can use 243 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,790 ranges. We have Boolean logic. 244 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:40,920 Adam Curry: Boolean. Yes, I can be equals so I just did anything 245 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:46,620 above 100,000 You have equal to you can oh there it is. There it 246 00:14:46,620 --> 00:14:50,490 is. Chad F got the lucky 777 That's right. That was the 247 00:14:50,490 --> 00:14:52,260 lowball number. He nailed it now. 248 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,020 Dave Jones: It's gonna get out of control. 249 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,920 Adam Curry: And I only put it You win. So, good luck, 250 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:06,480 everybody I love everyone's like sending huge amounts now. I 251 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,060 gotta get this. Like, do 252 00:15:09,060 --> 00:15:11,370 Dave Jones: you remember that? You remember the lightning goat 253 00:15:11,370 --> 00:15:12,600 feeder? Yes. This 254 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,100 Adam Curry: is exactly it is very similar. 255 00:15:14,430 --> 00:15:15,510 Dave Jones: Yes to go feeder. 256 00:15:16,410 --> 00:15:21,210 Adam Curry: This is awesome. I don't use that word. Lightly. 257 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:27,960 This is absolutely awesome. I just think this is just so our 258 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,570 guest is already trying to figure it out. And I mean, I 259 00:15:30,570 --> 00:15:33,960 could I could have configured this thing all day long. I 260 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,320 didn't because we'd never get anywhere. We just did we just be 261 00:15:37,530 --> 00:15:39,900 doing this the whole time. By the way, Sam, that's not the 262 00:15:39,900 --> 00:15:43,020 number you typically boost. But thank you. That's not the one I 263 00:15:43,020 --> 00:15:48,240 was thinking of. Thanks for the thanks for the mega boost the 264 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,720 baller boost. Yeah. So this is 265 00:15:51,990 --> 00:15:54,750 Dave Jones: nice, nice, very nice. But you know, he wished it 266 00:15:54,750 --> 00:15:58,350 to a different framework. So like we were using like a, like 267 00:15:58,350 --> 00:16:00,960 a home rolled framework that I originally took out of some 268 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:05,490 example code. And that's the back end for all of these 269 00:16:05,580 --> 00:16:10,440 different things, the bridge helipad. Lots of different 270 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:16,530 stuff. And MK Ultra instead then he took he re engineered it with 271 00:16:16,620 --> 00:16:20,820 using the axon framework. Oh, and as I think I think that's a 272 00:16:20,820 --> 00:16:23,640 good thing. And I'm actually going to back sort of backport 273 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:27,810 that over to the other to the other projects that use it. Pod 274 00:16:27,810 --> 00:16:28,350 ping uses 275 00:16:31,020 --> 00:16:36,630 Adam Curry: Sam Sethi 10,000 SATs. Okay, there we go. All 276 00:16:36,630 --> 00:16:37,440 right, everybody. 277 00:16:38,460 --> 00:16:40,170 Unknown: That's so that's a little baller. 278 00:16:41,010 --> 00:16:43,170 Adam Curry: You got a short baller. Yeah, you got a 10,000 279 00:16:43,170 --> 00:16:48,270 bucks short baller. Yeah, exactly. I mean, this is great. 280 00:16:48,270 --> 00:16:51,600 So much can be done with this. But also now you can have 281 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,690 leaderboards I mean, it doesn't just have to fire off, you know, 282 00:16:54,690 --> 00:16:59,310 little events, it could add to a leaderboard. You know, based 283 00:16:59,310 --> 00:17:03,120 upon I guess an you know, you could have other inputs so you 284 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:07,860 can do voting. I mean, the web hook part is just just genius a 285 00:17:07,860 --> 00:17:09,990 bit and we will remember we were talking about how can we rapa 286 00:17:09,990 --> 00:17:13,530 phi all of this stuff all these cool things that people are 287 00:17:13,530 --> 00:17:17,730 making? Well this is the way this is the way this is it and 288 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,430 and it's it's free software 289 00:17:21,869 --> 00:17:26,909 Dave Jones: if you if you send in like if you send enough sets 290 00:17:27,779 --> 00:17:30,929 you'll it'll trigger your Mastodon account to follow that 291 00:17:30,929 --> 00:17:31,439 person. 292 00:17:32,970 --> 00:17:36,600 Adam Curry: Yeah, why knife or follows or whatever? I mean, or 293 00:17:36,630 --> 00:17:39,030 you know, a call back so literally, you know, like, my 294 00:17:39,030 --> 00:17:44,910 phone will ring and it'll be calling you. I'm down for I can 295 00:17:44,940 --> 00:17:48,630 I can go on for days thinking about this. You know, like you 296 00:17:48,630 --> 00:17:54,600 boost this 200,000 SATs will make Bitcoin go up again. Not 297 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,600 right now. Massive, massive crash. 298 00:17:58,620 --> 00:18:02,820 Dave Jones: Oh, man, this is read. I love this. It. It 299 00:18:02,820 --> 00:18:05,550 Adam Curry: brings. Okay, so many people are kind of 300 00:18:05,550 --> 00:18:08,880 comparing it to twitch. Yeah, in a way. But this is so much 301 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,540 better. I mean, it's a million times better. And by the way, 302 00:18:12,540 --> 00:18:16,290 wouldn't my podcast host want to offer some of these? Some of 303 00:18:16,290 --> 00:18:18,030 these callbacks, some of these web hooks? 304 00:18:18,510 --> 00:18:20,310 Dave Jones: Well, if you're running a look, okay, so if 305 00:18:20,310 --> 00:18:23,610 you're running a local, I'm just thinking through this. If you 306 00:18:23,610 --> 00:18:29,490 run out a local web server on on localhost, you could run it on a 307 00:18:29,490 --> 00:18:35,340 custom port, and then set the web hook to call localhost. And 308 00:18:35,340 --> 00:18:39,210 then you could have your own machine. Do all kinds of things 309 00:18:39,210 --> 00:18:44,730 like OBS like trigger OBS, like OBS overlays. Oh, 310 00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:47,550 Adam Curry: hello. What's that? What's that thing I gave you? 311 00:18:48,750 --> 00:18:50,430 Dave Jones: Oh, no, the stream the stream deck. 312 00:18:50,460 --> 00:18:53,790 Adam Curry: Hello stream deck trigger stream deck. Switches. 313 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:55,020 Yeah, 314 00:18:55,050 --> 00:18:57,300 Dave Jones: yeah, you could say trigger a stream deck button, 315 00:18:57,540 --> 00:19:01,140 which throws something up on throws the ball. That 316 00:19:01,140 --> 00:19:05,940 Adam Curry: would be even better if we could do if we could do 317 00:19:05,940 --> 00:19:08,970 MIDI events. There you go. Eric. PP. Have a nice weekend. MIDI 318 00:19:08,970 --> 00:19:12,180 MIDI events. Oh, I've got tons of MIDI stuff to fire off. My 319 00:19:12,180 --> 00:19:16,620 whole system works on MIDI that they call Yeah. You could even 320 00:19:16,620 --> 00:19:17,280 mute me. 321 00:19:20,460 --> 00:19:24,060 Dave Jones: No, no, I veto this. But I 322 00:19:24,060 --> 00:19:27,780 Adam Curry: like it because it's a total git clone. Oh, chimp. 323 00:19:28,020 --> 00:19:35,670 Interesting. That day, Jim should have fired I think. Okay, 324 00:19:35,670 --> 00:19:40,020 Eric VP has already identified a bug. So what is it? Well, okay, 325 00:19:40,020 --> 00:19:46,260 so if, if a sound has just fired, then you know, and 326 00:19:46,260 --> 00:19:53,220 another another fire comes in. Too soon after that. It does. I 327 00:19:53,220 --> 00:19:55,800 think you should have you should have gotten one chimp I'm not 328 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,450 sure. I'm not sure what happened there. 329 00:19:58,290 --> 00:20:00,630 Dave Jones: So it can't. The browser can and play two 330 00:20:00,630 --> 00:20:02,220 simultaneous sounds. Yeah, 331 00:20:02,250 --> 00:20:04,650 Adam Curry: well, he's actually exempted. And depending on how 332 00:20:04,650 --> 00:20:07,710 much padding there is in each sound file, it could mess it up. 333 00:20:08,190 --> 00:20:13,920 All right, well, because chimp said 22 222. And I think I set 334 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:18,630 that up as a row of ducks. Okay, but that didn't fire. Well, I 335 00:20:18,630 --> 00:20:22,050 feel bad about that. But anyone can try it again, if you want. 336 00:20:23,310 --> 00:20:26,820 Feel free. This is this is what we call ultimate gamification 337 00:20:27,660 --> 00:20:29,970 Dave Jones: is Yeah, I think the local I think the local host 338 00:20:29,970 --> 00:20:33,240 thing is a good a good idea. That's a pretty good idea. Yeah. 339 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,880 That actually makes me want to write die. 340 00:20:36,540 --> 00:20:38,580 Adam Curry: Happy. Have a great weekend, everybody. 341 00:20:39,660 --> 00:20:41,190 Dave Jones: You know what I mean? Like, of course, they 342 00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:46,080 could like just be like bridge bridge, some calls over to, then 343 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,000 you wouldn't even really even need a token or anything, 344 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:48,930 because it's all local. 345 00:20:49,050 --> 00:20:52,140 Adam Curry: Right? But I'm just as happy to have you know, a 346 00:20:52,140 --> 00:20:55,020 service that I don't have to worry about. If it crashes, you 347 00:20:55,020 --> 00:20:59,970 know, I mean, it's easy. Or how about this? Added? What are you 348 00:20:59,970 --> 00:21:00,360 drinking? 349 00:21:02,370 --> 00:21:04,230 Dave Jones: This is a Lacroix pure. 350 00:21:04,950 --> 00:21:08,250 Adam Curry: I didn't expect that from you. But here's what you 351 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,830 Dave Jones: can drink. Oh, this. You spent me you speed me to go 352 00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:14,370 stronger? 353 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,140 Adam Curry: Show beer show beer? 354 00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:22,110 Dave Jones: No, that would be a bad show. Chocolate. But 355 00:21:22,110 --> 00:21:26,070 Adam Curry: this, you know, I just love SATs as a service. I 356 00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:28,890 think it'd be fantastic. Just let me hook into anything. Oh, 357 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,130 you know me. I'll put anybody in the split. Like, 358 00:21:32,220 --> 00:21:34,020 Dave Jones: oh, yeah, me at least sometimes we have people 359 00:21:34,020 --> 00:21:35,910 in the split that weren't even there were guests like three 360 00:21:35,910 --> 00:21:36,750 weeks three weeks ago. 361 00:21:37,950 --> 00:21:41,820 Adam Curry: Hey, man, thanks for the value. What we appreciate 362 00:21:41,820 --> 00:21:48,720 that. Speaking of value, now was as a couple of things we got to 363 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,840 talk about, certainly in relation to publisher feeds. And 364 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,540 and we may want to bring our guests in before we do that, 365 00:21:54,990 --> 00:21:59,400 since he's a data scientist. But at first I wanted to someone 366 00:21:59,430 --> 00:22:04,860 pointed this out to me, the term value for value is just I mean 367 00:22:04,890 --> 00:22:09,300 it, I love how it's become its own thing. And it's just out 368 00:22:09,300 --> 00:22:12,450 there in the universe, and people are using it. And the 369 00:22:12,450 --> 00:22:17,460 most interesting people all of a sudden, use this term now for 370 00:22:17,490 --> 00:22:21,330 multiple reasons. Or maybe they see it or whatever it is that 371 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:29,940 the concept is out there. And it's not tipping. So someone 372 00:22:29,940 --> 00:22:35,490 pointed me to an interview that Megyn Kelly was doing with 373 00:22:35,490 --> 00:22:41,580 Roseanne Barr, Roseanne Barr, it's, it's a wacky interview, 374 00:22:41,580 --> 00:22:43,080 for sure. But then this 375 00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:45,900 Eric Nantz: there isn't like just a few families that should 376 00:22:45,900 --> 00:22:50,220 own everything in the world. There isn't. That's true. And 377 00:22:50,250 --> 00:22:53,580 and, and they're so stupid. Like you said, luckily, they are 378 00:22:53,580 --> 00:22:57,510 stupid, because arrogance always accompanies ignorance. That's 379 00:22:57,510 --> 00:23:01,500 what Torah says. They're always the same two sides of the same 380 00:23:01,500 --> 00:23:06,180 coin. And they undo each other, let's hope. And so their 381 00:23:06,180 --> 00:23:10,470 arrogance is such that they've actually made with their greed 382 00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:12,960 and their whatever they do in their bubbles. And they're 383 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,840 bursting bubbles and making more bubbles in their scams and 384 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,500 fraud. They've actually made money obsolete and it's 385 00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:25,500 worthless. Now, that's just great. That's my optimistic sign 386 00:23:25,530 --> 00:23:29,970 of the future because that is the dream of the end of debt 387 00:23:29,970 --> 00:23:35,700 slavery that's leaving Egypt. That is the dream of humanity. 388 00:23:35,700 --> 00:23:39,780 It's so great, and it's crumbling. And they're being 389 00:23:39,780 --> 00:23:44,400 exposed, and it will be replaced with a better system that works 390 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:49,200 for human beings, all human beings. And it'll come from us 391 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,730 and our intelligence, because we have the will and the means and 392 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:58,380 all the technology to do that. Without money but with something 393 00:23:58,380 --> 00:24:02,700 else. Value for value. Yeah. 394 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,080 Adam Curry: How about that, huh? From Rosie? Roseanne Barr. 395 00:24:08,700 --> 00:24:12,120 Dave Jones: She's a she's a wacky bird. She's 396 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:15,690 Adam Curry: interesting. Yes. She's definitely different. Yes. 397 00:24:16,350 --> 00:24:17,430 Outlet agreement is. 398 00:24:17,820 --> 00:24:20,340 Dave Jones: Yeah, I mean, I never expected her to go value 399 00:24:20,340 --> 00:24:25,290 for value. I'll take it. Yeah. Let's bring 400 00:24:25,290 --> 00:24:28,980 Adam Curry: in our guests Dave because this is an interesting 401 00:24:28,980 --> 00:24:32,790 person. All of our guests of course are interesting persons. 402 00:24:33,540 --> 00:24:35,880 But this is not the the tradition of interest. It's a 403 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,330 person Yes. Yes. Please welcome our guests in the boardroom and 404 00:24:39,330 --> 00:24:42,690 a person of interest say hello to the podcasting. 2.0 data 405 00:24:42,690 --> 00:24:45,450 scientist, Eric nonce everybody. 406 00:24:46,170 --> 00:24:48,090 Eric Nantz: Hey, great to be here. 407 00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:49,740 Adam Curry: Eric is a dancer Dance, 408 00:24:50,220 --> 00:24:50,670 Eric Nantz: dance. So 409 00:24:50,670 --> 00:24:52,710 Adam Curry: you gotta dance. Okay, when I kind of I kind of 410 00:24:52,830 --> 00:24:54,030 flubbed the last 411 00:24:56,220 --> 00:24:57,930 Eric Nantz: one be the first time Eric Where 412 00:24:57,930 --> 00:24:59,340 Adam Curry: are you calling him from brother? Where are you 413 00:24:59,340 --> 00:24:59,970 right now? 414 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,000 Eric Nantz: I'm based in the midwest of America here in 415 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:03,570 Indiana. 416 00:25:05,069 --> 00:25:08,399 Adam Curry: My wife's stomping grounds were in Indiana. Carmel 417 00:25:08,399 --> 00:25:11,189 to be exact. I don't don't know where that is 418 00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:13,380 Eric Nantz: actually, that's just about like half hour north 419 00:25:13,380 --> 00:25:16,200 of the Indianapolis area. Okay. And she 420 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:21,990 Adam Curry: says she was from Northwest Indiana, which was I 421 00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:25,020 think at one point South Chicago is there a place called South 422 00:25:25,020 --> 00:25:26,250 Chicago in Indiana. 423 00:25:27,060 --> 00:25:28,830 Eric Nantz: Maybe close to Gary, Indiana as well. 424 00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:30,990 Adam Curry: She lives right across the tracks from Gary, 425 00:25:30,990 --> 00:25:34,410 Indiana. I always say oh, yeah, you're from Gary girl. Go away. 426 00:25:34,410 --> 00:25:38,130 You're from Gary. P like I did not live there for anyone who 427 00:25:38,130 --> 00:25:40,620 doesn't know you don't want to live there. Yeah, 428 00:25:40,620 --> 00:25:43,620 Eric Nantz: I passed by it a few times. Roll up the windows when 429 00:25:43,620 --> 00:25:44,970 Adam Curry: you go past Gary, Indiana, 430 00:25:45,060 --> 00:25:48,150 Dave Jones: like the poster child for deindustrialization 431 00:25:48,150 --> 00:25:48,600 for anyone 432 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,800 Adam Curry: that's accurate. It also gave us the Jackson Five so 433 00:25:52,830 --> 00:25:55,710 you know there's there's good things different Gary. Yeah. 434 00:25:55,710 --> 00:25:56,820 Gary, Indiana. Yeah. 435 00:25:57,180 --> 00:25:59,400 Dave Jones: Oh, I didn't know that. Interesting. I've heard 436 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:04,410 that Bloomington is like beautiful. Yeah, it's not wrong 437 00:26:04,410 --> 00:26:05,670 about that. No, it's 438 00:26:05,670 --> 00:26:06,420 Eric Nantz: It's nice there. 439 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,200 Dave Jones: Cuz I always my only picture of Indiana. I drove 440 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,250 through it one time. And it was it's flat with corn. 441 00:26:15,150 --> 00:26:19,650 Adam Curry: That is everything. There's corn. Yes. Carl state of 442 00:26:19,650 --> 00:26:22,260 corn. They all like coffee. I like Khan. Do you like Khan? 443 00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:25,860 Dave Jones: That N button I heard. But then somebody told me 444 00:26:25,860 --> 00:26:29,010 that Bloomington is there's no corn there? It's all there's all 445 00:26:29,010 --> 00:26:29,760 campus down? 446 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,510 Eric Nantz: Yeah, a bunch of trees in campus town. That's 447 00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:34,320 accurate. Yep. 448 00:26:35,370 --> 00:26:38,610 Dave Jones: Sorry. So you're you're the you're the the you're 449 00:26:38,610 --> 00:26:43,290 the date resident data scientist of Indiana headed. So you're you 450 00:26:43,620 --> 00:26:47,820 primarily work? Yes. A couple of things. You primarily work in 451 00:26:47,820 --> 00:26:51,660 the R language and you have a podcast about our That's 452 00:26:51,660 --> 00:26:54,900 Eric Nantz: right. Yeah, I've been doing it. Well, I've did a 453 00:26:54,930 --> 00:27:01,830 first version of this. Way back in 2011 2012. Midway that one's 454 00:27:01,830 --> 00:27:05,430 been on hibernation I've been using our ever since my 455 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,860 dissertation days in grad school, because I've literally 456 00:27:07,860 --> 00:27:10,800 saved my dissertation or as I'm whenever I graduated. So I've 457 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,070 been hooked ever since. But yeah, Tuesdays are my day job 458 00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:16,230 and my hobbies too. But 459 00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:20,160 Dave Jones: you had so you had a previous podcast about it. And 460 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,040 then you know, you've got to you've resurrect so used to have 461 00:27:23,070 --> 00:27:24,810 Yeah, is that what you're saying? You have an old one. And 462 00:27:24,810 --> 00:27:25,500 now you have a new? 463 00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:29,070 Eric Nantz: Yeah, basically, the old one was called Dr. Podcast, 464 00:27:29,070 --> 00:27:33,030 that's my nickname on on the social areas. But then I kind of 465 00:27:33,030 --> 00:27:35,430 had a little pod fade here and there. And now I do something 466 00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:39,450 every week about community. So I called our weekly where we 467 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,900 basically it's a community driven newsletter, the share all 468 00:27:42,900 --> 00:27:46,740 the awesome happenings and tutorials, new packages and all 469 00:27:46,740 --> 00:27:49,200 the latest developments in the our ecosystem. 470 00:27:51,270 --> 00:27:54,570 Dave Jones: How do you think that like? So for some add 471 00:27:54,570 --> 00:27:57,870 purposely? I didn't know anything about our and I don't? 472 00:27:57,990 --> 00:28:01,710 And I purposely did not do any research, because I wanted you 473 00:28:01,710 --> 00:28:05,880 to tell me what it is in like in your language rather than me 474 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,590 just gonna read a bunch of Wikipedia. 475 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,460 Eric Nantz: Yeah, absolutely. It's, you could say it's a 476 00:28:11,460 --> 00:28:14,940 language that isn't a real traditional programming language 477 00:28:14,940 --> 00:28:17,880 in the sense that this was actually created by 478 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,390 statisticians over a university in New Zealand, way back in the 479 00:28:21,780 --> 00:28:26,250 in the mid 90s. And admittedly, it's got its own quirks 480 00:28:26,250 --> 00:28:29,520 regarding object going and programming in light. But it's 481 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,090 literally the home to almost any statistical method you could 482 00:28:33,090 --> 00:28:36,900 ever see in the literature or other research, you'll find in 483 00:28:36,900 --> 00:28:40,170 our package for one way or another, by I would say within 484 00:28:40,170 --> 00:28:44,340 the last probably 10 years or so, especially in the last five 485 00:28:44,340 --> 00:28:47,640 years. We can use R and all sorts of places, whether it's 486 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:52,380 machine learning AI, you know, visualizations, I can build 487 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,920 interactive web applications, like a build fancy dashboards 488 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,440 I'm gonna be talking about a little bit soon, you can hook it 489 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,140 up to just about any other language as well, like Python, 490 00:29:01,140 --> 00:29:05,250 JavaScript, anything like that. So it's a great way to unify a 491 00:29:05,250 --> 00:29:08,460 lot of different statistical concepts together. But once you 492 00:29:08,460 --> 00:29:10,890 get the hang of it, it's it's hard to go back at least in my 493 00:29:10,890 --> 00:29:11,250 opinion, 494 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,520 Adam Curry: have you been using it in the podcasting 2.0 realm? 495 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,510 Eric Nantz: Well, my first venture in this was, if you 496 00:29:18,510 --> 00:29:22,230 recall, maybe it was a year and a half ago, I created a little 497 00:29:22,260 --> 00:29:26,280 package called pod cat pod indexer, which is basically a 498 00:29:26,580 --> 00:29:30,690 front end to your fancy podcasting 2.0 API, so that we 499 00:29:30,690 --> 00:29:33,690 got that, you know, front and center there. So as an API, 500 00:29:33,690 --> 00:29:38,370 where there's my first pass, but now I'm using it artists way to 501 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,090 visually analyze the podcasting index database with a bunch of 502 00:29:42,090 --> 00:29:45,030 our database packages and some of the algorithms we'll be 503 00:29:45,030 --> 00:29:48,720 talking about a little bit with duplication and visualization 504 00:29:48,750 --> 00:29:52,530 and may not those fancy tables, which are one of the packages 505 00:29:52,530 --> 00:29:56,340 inside so there's almost nothing I can do with it. You just have 506 00:29:56,340 --> 00:29:57,720 to find the right package for it. 507 00:29:58,620 --> 00:30:04,050 Adam Curry: It's what she said. Oh, yes. Sorry. So 508 00:30:04,140 --> 00:30:09,900 Dave Jones: I'm 50. So if you got so if you have the right, 509 00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:14,070 let's see, if you have, you know, of course, I've been 510 00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:19,920 looking through the dashboard and everything. I feel like this 511 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,010 could be benefit is obviously beneficial to us. And so the, 512 00:30:24,030 --> 00:30:28,890 for our own needs only URL is our 513 00:30:28,890 --> 00:30:40,380 podcast.github.io/pod-db.dash. And it is obviously helpful for 514 00:30:40,410 --> 00:30:46,290 us. But I wonder, also how helpful you think this type 515 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,000 hindlimb is having a hard time articulating them as we can 516 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,500 tell. So I guess what I've always wanted is, is certain 517 00:30:55,500 --> 00:30:59,910 things out of the out of the index, certain types of data, 518 00:31:00,540 --> 00:31:07,230 and that are hard to necessarily quantify. So things like it's 519 00:31:07,230 --> 00:31:11,100 easy to look and say, Okay, well, how many? It's easy to do 520 00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:14,640 just basically basic table searches, you know? Sure. You 521 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,820 just say, Okay, how many feeds are dead? How many feeds have 522 00:31:17,820 --> 00:31:20,730 published an episode in the last 30 days? I mean, that that's 523 00:31:20,730 --> 00:31:25,770 just kind of like, the low hanging fruit. But it seems like 524 00:31:25,770 --> 00:31:31,830 there's, when you have a database, this large of all the 525 00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:37,620 public podcasts, you could, you could mine out some data, if you 526 00:31:37,620 --> 00:31:43,710 knew the right, you know, algorithms to to apply. It seems 527 00:31:43,710 --> 00:31:46,020 like you could mine out data that will be useful for 528 00:31:46,020 --> 00:31:50,250 everybody to find sort of new insights about things that we're 529 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,570 that we're not getting, do you kind of see what I'm saying. 530 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,420 Eric Nantz: But absolutely, I'm tracking with that. And I think 531 00:31:57,420 --> 00:32:00,990 one of the things that I haven't done very much yet is looking at 532 00:32:00,990 --> 00:32:05,010 kind of a longitudinal, you know, sense of what's changing 533 00:32:05,010 --> 00:32:08,310 every week or what are what are the newest feeds being under and 534 00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:12,570 and how's that compared to say, a year ago, and maybe then, you 535 00:32:12,570 --> 00:32:15,990 know, things like that, which I'm not haven't built in yet in 536 00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:18,960 terms of this interface. But I think that could certainly be 537 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,740 done. I just have to archive each of these in a in a snapshot 538 00:32:22,740 --> 00:32:26,670 kind of manner. But I've seen others on on the on the podcast, 539 00:32:26,670 --> 00:32:31,830 index social, do these nice line charts of like, the podcasts, 540 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,300 adopt the value for value or time splits inside? Yeah, we're 541 00:32:36,300 --> 00:32:38,040 gonna start getting into some of that, too. 542 00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:40,890 Adam Curry: What was the one that I just saw, which I really 543 00:32:40,890 --> 00:32:45,420 liked a lot. Hold on a second. I'll bring it up. That was our, 544 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:52,590 our statistician. That was one second up, Ron Plouffe. 545 00:32:53,460 --> 00:32:56,400 Eric Nantz: Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah. Ron 546 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:02,250 Adam Curry: Plouffe posted on May 9 2023 89. Feeds had the 547 00:33:02,250 --> 00:33:06,090 medium music tag attention. James Cridland appears it and 548 00:33:06,090 --> 00:33:11,790 here's a news item for you. One year later, there are 3031 549 00:33:11,820 --> 00:33:15,450 Medium music tag feeds in the index. 550 00:33:17,550 --> 00:33:20,970 Dave Jones: Yeah, and there's also he posted last week, there 551 00:33:20,970 --> 00:33:24,360 are now over 20,000 value for value 552 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,910 Adam Curry: value fees. Yep, exactly. I saw that, too. 553 00:33:29,070 --> 00:33:32,310 Dave Jones: What? So that's what you mentioned is something that 554 00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:34,680 I was thinking about earlier today. Actually, I don't I don't 555 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,010 remember what I heard that was triggering that but I was 556 00:33:38,010 --> 00:33:42,180 thinking I was thinking about, it really would be helpful to 557 00:33:42,180 --> 00:33:49,110 find out, like on a per host basis. Which feed like, what the 558 00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:54,720 new feed creation volume is and see it go up and down. Yeah, 559 00:33:54,810 --> 00:33:55,770 Eric Nantz: I like that idea. 560 00:33:56,250 --> 00:33:59,130 Dave Jones: You know, because it because it's, it's helpful, 561 00:33:59,130 --> 00:34:03,300 because you don't know. You just get these real general vague 562 00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:09,240 stats from the industry about you know, you know, $2 billion, 563 00:34:09,540 --> 00:34:13,410 and podcasts and just this kind of stuff that's like, okay, and 564 00:34:13,410 --> 00:34:17,940 then you look at, you look at OPI three data, which have been, 565 00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:22,530 I was looking through the other day. And one thing I saw about 566 00:34:22,530 --> 00:34:29,370 it was, it's real interesting. If you compare the downloads, to 567 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,330 over 30 days to the, quote, unique listeners over 30 days, 568 00:34:33,330 --> 00:34:36,540 sometimes there's a huge skew between those two. Sometimes 569 00:34:36,540 --> 00:34:40,290 it's close sometimes it's really out of whack. Is that I can't 570 00:34:40,290 --> 00:34:42,960 think that guy got me thinking what you know, it would be 571 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,170 really cool if you could if you could just sort of visualize 572 00:34:46,890 --> 00:34:51,660 like you said changes over time. It what would you need me to 573 00:34:51,660 --> 00:34:54,840 give you in order to like do things like that would you need 574 00:34:54,900 --> 00:34:56,640 like full database access? 575 00:34:57,660 --> 00:34:58,440 Eric Nantz: And wouldn't hurt 576 00:34:59,460 --> 00:35:02,820 Dave Jones: yeah, don't have that labor right 577 00:35:02,820 --> 00:35:06,870 Adam Curry: access to give them right x. Table, give them a 578 00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:08,010 table, go for it. 579 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,260 Dave Jones: Because we had we actually have that there's a 580 00:35:10,260 --> 00:35:15,000 couple of people who need like Spurlock has access to the full 581 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,960 week, like the full database dump. This got all the episode 582 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,050 data and all that kind of stuff. It's so big, it's like 200 gigs 583 00:35:22,050 --> 00:35:25,380 worth of data. So I don't make it public. But like, we could 584 00:35:25,380 --> 00:35:27,150 hook you up with stuff like that, if you wanted to mess 585 00:35:27,150 --> 00:35:27,690 around with it. 586 00:35:28,530 --> 00:35:31,200 Eric Nantz: Oh, that'd be really cool to start turning loose on 587 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,080 some of these other ideas that we've been talking about I've 588 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,930 been doing is about as much as I got in this initial password, 589 00:35:36,930 --> 00:35:41,400 the sequel lite database every week, that's backed up, but I 590 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,850 could definitely turn up another notch with that access. Because 591 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,730 Dave Jones: the other downside to the weekly database download 592 00:35:47,730 --> 00:35:52,410 is it gets only dumping out feeds that are that haven't been 593 00:35:52,410 --> 00:35:57,780 marked as dead. And so you never see the stuff that you'd never 594 00:35:57,780 --> 00:36:01,950 kind of see what disappeared. Boucher. Well, I mean, I guess 595 00:36:01,950 --> 00:36:04,770 you can if you are like look compared to comparisons, like a 596 00:36:04,770 --> 00:36:08,340 diffs. week to week, but but it's a lot easier if you have 597 00:36:08,340 --> 00:36:12,450 like the full thing where you see all the all the dead and 598 00:36:12,450 --> 00:36:13,950 living podcast at the same time. 599 00:36:15,150 --> 00:36:17,730 Eric Nantz: Yeah, yeah, maybe getting back to Money or points 600 00:36:17,730 --> 00:36:21,270 on this. I've certainly built this with with you all in mind 601 00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:25,020 first, because a member and I know the build up to this, I've 602 00:36:25,050 --> 00:36:28,020 heard you the moment the duplicate issue, which I'm not 603 00:36:28,020 --> 00:36:31,170 sure if we can both be solved yet. And my initial pass, but at 604 00:36:31,170 --> 00:36:34,620 least we got more insights into it. But anything to help this 605 00:36:34,620 --> 00:36:39,420 project kind of keep going and greater levels. I know a lot of 606 00:36:39,420 --> 00:36:43,230 the consumers of the database or the podcast app authors would 607 00:36:43,260 --> 00:36:47,760 rightfully so. But is there any other ways that we can help you 608 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,390 all out with, you know, analyses, Eva, I've seen the 609 00:36:51,390 --> 00:36:54,780 chat, maybe looking at tag usage or things like that, you know, 610 00:36:54,780 --> 00:36:58,290 I'm really happy to turn loose on some of this stuff. 611 00:37:00,030 --> 00:37:04,860 Dave Jones: I love the sort of unapologetic, like the Virat the 612 00:37:04,860 --> 00:37:07,890 veracity of what you're, you're you're basically like a, I 613 00:37:07,890 --> 00:37:12,990 analyzed your database. And here's all the problems. Which 614 00:37:12,990 --> 00:37:16,650 is like, it's, it's actually great, because that'll you don't 615 00:37:16,650 --> 00:37:21,360 get to see that side of your own work sometimes. And like out of 616 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,890 the because when I looked at, like the data quality tab, out 617 00:37:25,890 --> 00:37:29,070 of 12 different points of data quality, we have green checks on 618 00:37:29,070 --> 00:37:29,730 three of them. 619 00:37:30,869 --> 00:37:32,609 Adam Curry: Were numbers three, 620 00:37:34,170 --> 00:37:38,430 Dave Jones: we suck is basically they want us to hear this. 621 00:37:38,489 --> 00:37:40,709 Adam Curry: I wonder if I have a jingle for that I can hook up 622 00:37:42,179 --> 00:37:45,899 Dave Jones: with. So what, like if I go to the Data Quality tab? 623 00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:48,210 Adam Curry: Oh, hold on a second. I think I have it, 624 00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:49,290 please. 625 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,670 Dave Jones: There you go. Yeah, that's, that's what should play 626 00:37:56,670 --> 00:37:59,760 when the data quality is below eight. 627 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:00,689 Adam Curry: Yes. 628 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,720 Eric Nantz: I'm guessing I'll never be on the boardroom again, 629 00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:06,480 after all this, but we're 630 00:38:08,820 --> 00:38:10,800 Dave Jones: looking through here. So you have non missing 631 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:17,040 podcast good. So if I'm understanding this, okay, so 632 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,410 says out of the out of all the database records that were 633 00:38:19,410 --> 00:38:25,470 scanned, 4,180,757 there's 160 that don't have a good, 634 00:38:26,039 --> 00:38:26,639 Eric Nantz: that's right. 635 00:38:27,569 --> 00:38:30,959 Dave Jones: Wow. And, um, which is kind of which was weird to 636 00:38:30,959 --> 00:38:35,759 me, because all the podcasts good to get generated when 637 00:38:35,759 --> 00:38:41,159 they're ingested. In which is so odd that there's any that number 638 00:38:41,159 --> 00:38:42,149 should be zero? 639 00:38:44,730 --> 00:38:47,160 Eric Nantz: I remember when I was asking you on the Macedon 640 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,410 before about, you know, what kind of fields I should be 641 00:38:49,410 --> 00:38:52,770 looking at. And we always said podcast good was one that we 642 00:38:52,770 --> 00:38:55,050 should always expect to be there. And that was a shock to 643 00:38:55,050 --> 00:38:58,890 me, too, that that basic check turned up with something above 644 00:38:58,890 --> 00:39:02,640 zero. So I think are those just building upon this that would 645 00:39:02,940 --> 00:39:06,480 illuminate these other issues that admittedly, you would never 646 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,450 be able to predict, right? It's just the way the primes work, I 647 00:39:09,450 --> 00:39:09,900 guess. 648 00:39:10,830 --> 00:39:14,850 Dave Jones: And then they get unique podcast good values. So 649 00:39:15,060 --> 00:39:18,540 the failure there is that there's 25,000 records that 650 00:39:19,590 --> 00:39:20,160 clash. 651 00:39:22,860 --> 00:39:25,440 Adam Curry: Just going crazy on the soundboard today. I'm sorry. 652 00:39:26,489 --> 00:39:28,109 Dave Jones: Thank you for making me feel better about muscle. 653 00:39:30,179 --> 00:39:32,129 Adam Curry: Therapy, David's therapy. It's good for you. It's 654 00:39:32,129 --> 00:39:32,579 good for you. 655 00:39:34,380 --> 00:39:36,720 Dave Jones: Hello, I'm Dave and I have missing podcast. 656 00:39:38,849 --> 00:39:44,039 Adam Curry: Hello, I'm Dave. I'm a DB admin. Hello, Dave. 657 00:39:45,059 --> 00:39:50,969 Dave Jones: Non missing content hash. Okay. There's 16 Was this 658 00:39:50,969 --> 00:39:58,679 happen? Yeah. Okay. All right. How do I get this data back that 659 00:39:58,679 --> 00:40:02,399 you've sort of assembled here? Sure. Okay, so now I know. Now I 660 00:40:02,399 --> 00:40:06,119 know that I have 160 podcast records with missing Gu IDs, 661 00:40:06,389 --> 00:40:09,539 right? How do I get that back out of your dashboard in a 662 00:40:09,539 --> 00:40:13,919 programmatic way where I can, like, do actions on that without 663 00:40:13,919 --> 00:40:16,739 having to manually do things? Well, 664 00:40:16,740 --> 00:40:18,840 Eric Nantz: he can. Yeah, I mean, that's there's some I can 665 00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:22,500 try to build in. But at the minimum, you see, if you expand 666 00:40:22,500 --> 00:40:25,890 that table, there's a link that says, download full extract, 667 00:40:25,890 --> 00:40:28,710 that's a parquet file, if you want to get those records for 668 00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:30,690 yourself, and at least in the manual way, but there's 669 00:40:30,690 --> 00:40:34,230 certainly ways I could, you know, maybe beat this up a bit 670 00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:37,890 to offer some kind of hook to the download these based on 671 00:40:37,890 --> 00:40:41,160 like, I have what's called a step ID for each of these, where 672 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,950 you see that assessment, and it says, like I said, Not missing 673 00:40:43,950 --> 00:40:47,520 podcast good, I got a bunch of metadata associated all this, I 674 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,920 just need to find a way to programmatically expose it to 675 00:40:51,690 --> 00:40:54,510 Dave Jones: what's what is a parquet file? What is that? 676 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:55,560 Isn't 677 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,470 Adam Curry: that he's jumped over stuff. And over walls and 678 00:40:58,470 --> 00:41:01,110 stuff. A park is a Parkour, parkour, I'm sorry, 679 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,490 Dave Jones: park a. Park a is the butter is the fake butter. 680 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:05,880 Yeah, 681 00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:08,250 Eric Nantz: yeah, I'm getting hungry again. But um, in any 682 00:41:08,250 --> 00:41:11,670 event, this is a newer format, probably in the last like three 683 00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:15,660 years or so that's trying to be like an interoperable format for 684 00:41:15,660 --> 00:41:19,200 multiple languages to store tabular data. So it's definitely 685 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,040 not great for huge nested JSON data. But for relational data, 686 00:41:23,310 --> 00:41:26,670 like we're seeing here, you can import these pretty efficiently 687 00:41:26,670 --> 00:41:30,330 with something called the arrow project. Also the duck DV 688 00:41:30,330 --> 00:41:33,720 database that you may be hearing about some and using this as a 689 00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:36,720 source file. So there's a lot of cool things you can do with 690 00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:40,860 parquet, I just wanted to give it an A semi neutral format for 691 00:41:40,890 --> 00:41:45,030 downloading it. I admit I'm peeved by CSVs. I deal with them 692 00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:47,580 way too much at work, and they drive me nuts. I want to try 693 00:41:47,580 --> 00:41:50,340 something different with this DVD 694 00:41:50,370 --> 00:41:52,590 Dave Jones: that you're giving me like, I'm writing like a 695 00:41:52,590 --> 00:41:55,650 magnet, you give me so much here to have that. I don't know that 696 00:41:55,650 --> 00:41:57,780 have to go look up. Give me work. 697 00:41:58,530 --> 00:42:00,960 Eric Nantz: Oh, yeah, I'm here to help. Right? I'm just here to 698 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,620 help, I'm honest. But the duct TV things really interesting, 699 00:42:04,620 --> 00:42:07,860 though, because I'm not sure how much you're up on something 700 00:42:07,860 --> 00:42:11,520 called WebAssembly. For some of these applications online, 701 00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:15,000 they're hooking duck DB into this, we're in theory, if I 702 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,390 could really update this thing to like another level, I could 703 00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:23,340 have most of the database as like inside the app itself, be a 704 00:42:23,340 --> 00:42:26,910 duck DB and still get great performance out of it. I haven't 705 00:42:26,910 --> 00:42:29,520 had time to really hook that in yet. But it's I'm really 706 00:42:29,820 --> 00:42:33,540 watching if we end up having to do a lot more in this kind of 707 00:42:33,540 --> 00:42:36,870 framework for further analysis. Okay, 708 00:42:36,869 --> 00:42:38,819 Dave Jones: so you're saying that you're saying this duck DB 709 00:42:38,819 --> 00:42:44,189 is like a connector? For like a but it's a binary connection to 710 00:42:44,219 --> 00:42:45,989 a database in the WebAssembly? 711 00:42:47,010 --> 00:42:48,840 Eric Nantz: Yeah, it can be used in anywhere, not just 712 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,200 WebAssembly. But we're seeing a really take off. And in the 713 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,980 realm of data science, he says, Oh, interesting. Yeah. 714 00:42:57,179 --> 00:43:05,399 Adam Curry: We are deep inside the DB. I just can't resist. 715 00:43:06,809 --> 00:43:07,739 Eric Nantz: I was waiting for that. 716 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,239 Adam Curry: You're sexy man. Do you? Are you a data scientist 717 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,699 during the day as well as your day job? 718 00:43:15,689 --> 00:43:17,999 Eric Nantz: Yeah, I mean, that's still technically called 719 00:43:17,999 --> 00:43:20,789 statistician. But it's all the same thing these days. But yeah, 720 00:43:20,819 --> 00:43:25,949 at the at the day job. I'm at a life sciences company. The title 721 00:43:25,949 --> 00:43:30,059 is a director of innovation in our innovation center advanced 722 00:43:30,059 --> 00:43:33,269 analytics. That's a mouthful. Wow. But 723 00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:35,910 Adam Curry: you get chicks with that. Oh, 724 00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:41,430 Eric Nantz: I got one year. We didn't need a grad school. So 725 00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:43,530 there's our score. 726 00:43:44,310 --> 00:43:48,090 Dave Jones: I like the term I love I use the term non missing. 727 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:54,450 That's like a net, you negate it, instead of saying, here's 728 00:43:54,450 --> 00:43:57,990 the missing ones. Like, here's not here's the non missing ones. 729 00:43:58,860 --> 00:43:59,280 Yeah, that 730 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,650 Eric Nantz: one literally rolls off the tongue for me. Because 731 00:44:01,650 --> 00:44:05,370 at the day job, I have to do this all the time with the data, 732 00:44:05,370 --> 00:44:08,340 we collect and figure out what's missing. What's missing at 733 00:44:08,340 --> 00:44:11,490 random what's missing because of other reasons. There's all sorts 734 00:44:11,490 --> 00:44:13,590 of stuff I have to do there. 735 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,979 Dave Jones: Let's see. Yeah, pit pages, like, like, if you want 736 00:44:19,979 --> 00:44:23,849 to make John Spurlock drink alcohol, just send him to this 737 00:44:23,879 --> 00:44:27,119 to the Data Quality tab on the podcast index dashboard. 738 00:44:27,389 --> 00:44:29,459 Adam Curry: Hey, you should you should run your stuff against 739 00:44:29,459 --> 00:44:31,439 the Opie three as well. That'll be fun. 740 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,370 Dave Jones: Oh, that would be fun. Yeah. 741 00:44:36,329 --> 00:44:39,239 Adam Curry: Can't you run queries against our database and 742 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,879 op three at the same time and come up with something useful? 743 00:44:44,219 --> 00:44:45,569 Eric Nantz: Sky's the limit right. 744 00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:51,510 Dave Jones: The LCD you could Yeah, I was thinking about that 745 00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:53,250 about hella bad to be caught. 746 00:44:54,510 --> 00:44:58,470 Adam Curry: Oh, I'd love to have some a I'll pay you for that. 747 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:03,150 I'll give you a split. Yeah, Ron is that Hello, Pat has all kinds 748 00:45:03,150 --> 00:45:06,750 of data, it's really as good, especially on the streams part, 749 00:45:06,750 --> 00:45:09,090 which we can't. I mean, it really can't do much. I mean, 750 00:45:09,090 --> 00:45:12,690 there's just so much data that the spreadsheet goes what 751 00:45:13,590 --> 00:45:17,610 Dave Jones: how big is your spreadsheet now? Like when you 752 00:45:17,610 --> 00:45:22,830 export for, for our show? Is it getting cuz I do worry about 753 00:45:22,830 --> 00:45:25,290 that I do worry that at some point the hell up had in 754 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,040 database is gonna get so big that it's going to start to 755 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:29,520 struggle. 756 00:45:31,409 --> 00:45:34,289 Adam Curry: You want me to look at the database? I don't know. 757 00:45:35,279 --> 00:45:35,549 Like 758 00:45:35,550 --> 00:45:38,550 Dave Jones: the the spreadsheet is sort of a reflection of the 759 00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:42,450 database of the SQLite database that backs up Ella pad. 760 00:45:42,569 --> 00:45:47,039 Adam Curry: Yeah, I did an export a while back of 761 00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:53,759 everything was like I think I did 2023 I'll see if I can find 762 00:45:53,759 --> 00:45:56,069 that and see what that because that's that's not that's all of 763 00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:56,849 my shows. 764 00:45:58,559 --> 00:46:01,139 Dave Jones: Yeah. Oh, yeah. You run everything in the same 765 00:46:01,139 --> 00:46:02,309 Hello, passerby that, 766 00:46:02,489 --> 00:46:04,649 Adam Curry: well, that is not the way to go. I mean, that's, 767 00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:08,369 that's the beauty of helipad is that you can have one wallet, 768 00:46:08,399 --> 00:46:14,309 this was telling Darren O'Neal, you can have one bay, basically 769 00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:19,679 one wallet address, use that for all of your incoming streams and 770 00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:22,769 payments. And then you want to see how stuffs doing well, then 771 00:46:22,769 --> 00:46:27,059 you just run a helipad export. You can see what's going on, let 772 00:46:27,059 --> 00:46:30,479 me see if I can find it. See if I can find that I know I stored 773 00:46:30,479 --> 00:46:31,139 it somewhere. 774 00:46:32,610 --> 00:46:36,810 Dave Jones: Somewhere. RF is are flexible enough? I mean, it 775 00:46:36,810 --> 00:46:40,170 sounds like it started off as a static is a a statistician 776 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,230 language. But then it evolved into something more general 777 00:46:43,230 --> 00:46:47,100 purpose. Like is it general purpose enough to write just 778 00:46:47,460 --> 00:46:49,350 like a podcast app and or something like that? 779 00:46:49,979 --> 00:46:52,049 Eric Nantz: I thought about it. I mean, in fact, I've been 780 00:46:52,049 --> 00:46:56,999 toying with my websites that I do for my older podcasts. And 781 00:46:56,999 --> 00:47:00,149 one of my video things called the shiny developer series, I 782 00:47:00,149 --> 00:47:03,839 had actually leveraged a package that hooked up to the Hugo 783 00:47:03,839 --> 00:47:07,949 static site engine. And I was toying with the idea of with 784 00:47:07,949 --> 00:47:14,189 some XML or RSS packages of maybe as a test using our to 785 00:47:14,189 --> 00:47:17,639 literally produce the XML feed, and then publish that 786 00:47:17,639 --> 00:47:20,669 dynamically the object storage and seeing how far I could get 787 00:47:20,909 --> 00:47:25,139 have an 80% of the way there, but it's like a mix of our in 788 00:47:25,139 --> 00:47:28,769 Python things. So there's, I would not be surprised if I 789 00:47:28,769 --> 00:47:33,479 could build a shiny app that is a very bare bones like podcast 790 00:47:33,479 --> 00:47:35,969 app, I'm sure it's possible. So 791 00:47:35,969 --> 00:47:39,269 Dave Jones: they there's a thriving like our package, 792 00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:43,199 package ecosystem there that has a lot of libraries that you can 793 00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:43,769 tap into. 794 00:47:44,429 --> 00:47:49,559 Eric Nantz: Absolutely, there's at least 25,000 packages and our 795 00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:52,439 package repository called cran, which is called the 796 00:47:52,739 --> 00:47:55,529 Comprehensive our archive network, which is kind of 797 00:47:55,529 --> 00:47:59,879 similar if you see pandas, so you found exactly the words on 798 00:47:59,879 --> 00:48:02,789 my mouth. But then that's not counting all the ones that are 799 00:48:02,789 --> 00:48:08,399 just on GitHub, or Bitbucket or other git lab. Others that they 800 00:48:08,399 --> 00:48:10,589 just don't want it to be on cran. But they still want people 801 00:48:10,589 --> 00:48:13,949 to install. So there's like 1000s of others just in that 802 00:48:13,949 --> 00:48:17,609 space alone. And we cover like I said, almost any area you can 803 00:48:17,609 --> 00:48:21,329 think of there's typically a package for it. Oh, 804 00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,140 Dave Jones: well, that. Speaking of speaking of object storage, 805 00:48:25,260 --> 00:48:29,970 and this is I don't know if if y'all had heard about this, but 806 00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:35,820 have you heard of denial of wallet? Oh, no, that sounds bad. 807 00:48:36,510 --> 00:48:41,970 This is sort of a new class of, of attack that you spent, I 808 00:48:41,970 --> 00:48:45,360 don't know if it's across all object storage providers. But I 809 00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:50,970 know it definitely applies to AWS, you can have so you still 810 00:48:50,970 --> 00:48:56,760 get charged for puts for AWS Object Object Storage put 811 00:48:57,030 --> 00:49:01,860 operations even if they fail. So basically some use somebody can 812 00:49:01,860 --> 00:49:09,330 just flood a bucket of yours with failed puts and rack up 813 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:15,360 1000s of dollars in charges if on an open bid even if the 814 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:20,610 buckets and even if the buckets private I don't know if there's 815 00:49:20,610 --> 00:49:24,930 been any effective way to stop this yet. But if you just 816 00:49:24,930 --> 00:49:29,340 basically just get if you get targeted you just have to have 817 00:49:29,340 --> 00:49:32,550 an uncomfortable conversation with with Amazon and beg them to 818 00:49:32,670 --> 00:49:38,760 just you know killed the charges for you. Some of the what 819 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,920 something to watch out for some that have something to keep in 820 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,790 mind and watch out on your bill. Yeah, that's right. Cotton, Jen, 821 00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:47,040 the attacker that yeah, they don't even have to be an AWS 822 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:51,270 customer. All they all they need is just some sort of library for 823 00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:56,730 object storage, like even s3 CMD or something like that. And it 824 00:49:56,730 --> 00:50:01,980 doesn't matter if you've got all the prior OSI turned on just 825 00:50:02,010 --> 00:50:06,180 that just millions and billions of failed. Put transactions to 826 00:50:06,180 --> 00:50:10,080 the object storage will rack will incur cost on your AWS 827 00:50:10,260 --> 00:50:10,740 bill. 828 00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:20,159 Adam Curry: 2020 nightmare 2022. heli pad spreadsheet is 15 829 00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:20,999 Meg's. 830 00:50:22,980 --> 00:50:25,200 Dave Jones: 15. Meg's that's not No, it's not bad. 831 00:50:25,919 --> 00:50:30,239 Adam Curry: And let me see how many rows that is. Well, that's 832 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:38,279 2022. And it's 99,468 rows. 833 00:50:40,500 --> 00:50:42,150 Dave Jones: Oh, that's not that's bad 834 00:50:42,180 --> 00:50:44,190 Eric Nantz: enough. Yeah, that's, 835 00:50:44,820 --> 00:50:48,420 Dave Jones: it isn't nothing. It has been in the back of my mind, 836 00:50:48,420 --> 00:50:51,600 I've been worried about how big is this? You know, see, because 837 00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,500 helipads just a web server on top of SQLite. This syncs with L 838 00:50:55,500 --> 00:50:58,620 and D. So I'm like, Well, how big is this database gonna get? 839 00:50:58,620 --> 00:51:00,120 I mean, when does it well, 840 00:51:00,149 --> 00:51:03,299 Adam Curry: we have a problem where you really notice it is I 841 00:51:03,299 --> 00:51:06,629 had to reinstall. So not just upgrade, but reinstall helipad, 842 00:51:06,929 --> 00:51:10,979 and then helipad basically goes through your whole node and, and 843 00:51:11,009 --> 00:51:15,239 reads everything in again. And I'd say took about 30 minutes. 844 00:51:16,229 --> 00:51:20,039 So but, but it's reading back, you know, to 2022. So it's doing 845 00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:23,849 quite a bit there. I'll just, I'll do some work on it. I'll 846 00:51:23,849 --> 00:51:25,109 add to this conversation. 847 00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:26,820 Dave Jones: Okay, cool. 848 00:51:28,199 --> 00:51:34,949 Adam Curry: Can we talk about publisher feeds? Yes. I have a, 849 00:51:35,849 --> 00:51:40,769 I have a use case. I have an important use case, which I'd 850 00:51:40,769 --> 00:51:44,519 like to talk about. Okay. So I've been invited to speak at 851 00:51:44,519 --> 00:51:49,949 the N. RB and the NRA National Religious broadcasts, correct. 852 00:51:49,949 --> 00:51:52,529 You nailed it. You nailed it, the knot and total get as it 853 00:51:52,529 --> 00:51:55,499 gets out? Well, you nailed it. And that's a big, it's like, you 854 00:51:55,499 --> 00:51:58,709 know, it's like the National Broadcasters Association only 855 00:51:58,709 --> 00:52:00,389 for Religious Broadcasters. 856 00:52:02,429 --> 00:52:03,689 Dave Jones: Which I have nerd. 857 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,860 Adam Curry: Nerd a bunch of nerves, which I've accepted. 858 00:52:08,310 --> 00:52:12,390 That's in February. But through this, you know, I said, Well, 859 00:52:12,420 --> 00:52:16,200 what do you guys really dealing with the end, they had, there's 860 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,590 a huge problem. And I think we can solve some of that for them. 861 00:52:19,590 --> 00:52:23,250 And I have some people who want to try it with us. And I was 862 00:52:23,250 --> 00:52:26,580 thinking that perhaps the publisher feed works in this 863 00:52:26,580 --> 00:52:32,790 context. So here's the lay of the land. There are about 3000 864 00:52:33,660 --> 00:52:39,150 religious broadcast radio stations in the US. And, and 865 00:52:39,150 --> 00:52:41,280 these stations, as you can imagine, there's some that are 866 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,250 doing quite well, but most of them are dying. And when I say 867 00:52:44,250 --> 00:52:48,000 dying, you know, they're they're closing, they're off the base 868 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,240 that just keeping the transmitters going. And, and 869 00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:54,600 they don't even have morning shows their own shows anymore of 870 00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,960 the, you know, what they do is they're really just selling 871 00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:03,930 their airtime. So you have big pastures and then religious 872 00:53:03,930 --> 00:53:08,190 broadcast. Companies that make content and they buy airtime on 873 00:53:08,190 --> 00:53:13,770 the stations. And then the programming themselves, they 874 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,940 solicit donations, they solicit they do the Ask it's a complete 875 00:53:17,940 --> 00:53:21,180 value for value play, there's there are some ads stations with 876 00:53:21,180 --> 00:53:25,950 ad but in general, that's kind of how it works. You have a 877 00:53:25,950 --> 00:53:29,520 religious show religion, a religious show, you got to show 878 00:53:29,730 --> 00:53:33,570 a faith based programming and view by the airtime on all the 879 00:53:33,570 --> 00:53:37,200 stations and then you do your pitch and then people send you 880 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,510 the money so you can recycle them back paid back to the 881 00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:45,180 stations. So they all know that they have to go digital and the 882 00:53:45,180 --> 00:53:48,660 biggest so all of them have websites. And they'll then put 883 00:53:48,660 --> 00:53:54,120 these they'll put the you know there's this some companies that 884 00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,990 offer like kind of like a web app so you can integrate you 885 00:53:57,990 --> 00:54:00,600 know, the programming that you already have and then add your 886 00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,000 own programming. But the biggest problem of course, is 887 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:07,290 attribution. And that then when I say that it's like, how do 888 00:54:07,410 --> 00:54:12,960 they know what station was responsible for somebody signing 889 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,200 up or sending a donation in your win right? 890 00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,300 Dave Jones: Yeah, like Yeah, like because they don't have 891 00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:21,660 like a vanity URLs. Yeah, there's 892 00:54:21,659 --> 00:54:27,929 Adam Curry: a whole promo code bond Gino. Okay, so my pitch to 893 00:54:27,929 --> 00:54:32,969 the Religious Broadcasters is as follows. And of course you were 894 00:54:32,969 --> 00:54:36,029 talking value for value here because you know, and I and I 895 00:54:36,029 --> 00:54:40,859 have to say I, I leaned heavily on the look how easy it is on 896 00:54:40,859 --> 00:54:44,339 true fans to top up your wallet. You don't even have to mention 897 00:54:44,339 --> 00:54:49,019 Bitcoin. You just need to buy five bucks you use your Google 898 00:54:49,019 --> 00:54:55,829 Pay or your Apple Pay and you're good to go. So the question is, 899 00:54:55,829 --> 00:55:04,979 if I'm a station in Houston, and And I have a publisher feed. Let 900 00:55:04,979 --> 00:55:07,289 me see if I'm explaining this right way. So I would like to 901 00:55:07,289 --> 00:55:09,539 say, hey, because of course they have they have their own, you 902 00:55:09,539 --> 00:55:12,209 know, the liners that the station runs, yeah, hey, this is 903 00:55:12,209 --> 00:55:19,559 k, k God in Houston. And, you know, check out k God on a Euro, 904 00:55:19,559 --> 00:55:23,609 your modern podcast app. And you go in there, and they find que 905 00:55:23,609 --> 00:55:27,659 God, it's a publisher feed. And this is the way I envision it. 906 00:55:27,659 --> 00:55:31,199 And I just want to know if it's possible. So the publisher feed 907 00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:35,909 would then have, you know, Tony Evans and focus on the family 908 00:55:35,909 --> 00:55:39,929 and you know, Bill Higgs, and you know, anyone I can think of 909 00:55:40,409 --> 00:55:42,809 the ones that they have on their station, but the ones that they 910 00:55:42,809 --> 00:55:46,469 have a relationship with Him so that the radio station is 911 00:55:46,469 --> 00:55:51,929 essentially saying, Get any podcast app, find k God in your 912 00:55:51,929 --> 00:55:54,359 app, and there will be all the stations that we endorse, 913 00:55:54,389 --> 00:55:58,769 including, this is my my big pitch, including our new our new 914 00:55:58,769 --> 00:56:03,209 local show, because it's so much cheaper to produce now. Can you 915 00:56:03,209 --> 00:56:09,689 have as a publisher, so if I'm Tony Evans, and I have a podcast 916 00:56:09,689 --> 00:56:12,539 that is running on K God in that, can I put that in their 917 00:56:12,539 --> 00:56:15,929 publisher feed? Can I have multiple? Can I be in multiple 918 00:56:15,929 --> 00:56:19,589 publisher feeds if I have an agreed relationship with them? 919 00:56:19,739 --> 00:56:24,149 So yes, how is that verified? How was that? How can you check 920 00:56:24,149 --> 00:56:26,639 if someone puts it in and they're not really there? And 921 00:56:26,639 --> 00:56:31,949 the second part is, can I then also receive a portion of the 922 00:56:31,949 --> 00:56:35,429 value block because these are remote items, so that I 923 00:56:35,429 --> 00:56:39,389 automatically get my my VIG, the minute someone donates, and that 924 00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:42,929 we don't have to go through that whole rigmarole of buying of 925 00:56:42,929 --> 00:56:47,279 buying a piece of my presence in the apps. Does that make sense? 926 00:56:49,260 --> 00:56:52,050 Dave Jones: The first part makes sense. I'm not sure I followed 927 00:56:53,100 --> 00:56:58,200 100%. On the second part, whoever did so the first first 928 00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:05,670 part first. So the the publisher feeds don't consider there's a 929 00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:08,010 difference between the technical implementation in this sort of 930 00:57:08,010 --> 00:57:13,650 conceptual implementation. Conceptually, it's meant that it 931 00:57:13,650 --> 00:57:17,580 was it was kind of we came up with it. For one, it was it was 932 00:57:17,790 --> 00:57:20,670 dreamed up for one reason for one sort of use case, and that 933 00:57:20,670 --> 00:57:25,680 was, one person owns multiple podcasts. I know, I 934 00:57:25,679 --> 00:57:28,499 Adam Curry: understand. That was the original idea. But 935 00:57:28,500 --> 00:57:31,140 Dave Jones: that, but there's nothing but that's just a 936 00:57:31,140 --> 00:57:34,560 concept, it doesn't mean that it cannot be used for other 937 00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:39,060 reasons. mean, like, so in this case, in my use case, it doesn't 938 00:57:39,060 --> 00:57:41,970 mean as the eggs it also doesn't mean it's the appropriate use. 939 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:46,140 Like, it's kind of both ways. I mean, like it does, can you do 940 00:57:46,140 --> 00:57:51,120 it? Yes. Should you do it? I don't know. Like, there may be a 941 00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,040 better way to do it. Okay, well, 942 00:57:53,039 --> 00:57:56,879 Adam Curry: so the idea is, if we have, basically I'm looking 943 00:57:56,879 --> 00:58:01,349 at the publisher feed as a channel, but I also see that 944 00:58:01,349 --> 00:58:06,569 local Houston entity is a publisher is not the creator. So 945 00:58:06,569 --> 00:58:09,509 now it comes in interpretation of Publisher, but forget about 946 00:58:09,509 --> 00:58:11,339 that, because we can make something else if this doesn't 947 00:58:11,339 --> 00:58:15,659 fit. But they're a publisher, they publish in their channel, 948 00:58:15,929 --> 00:58:18,629 which should they promote, they actively promote, hey, listen to 949 00:58:18,629 --> 00:58:22,559 all these these cool shows in our channel in any podcast app, 950 00:58:22,799 --> 00:58:25,349 then you want to go there because we also have our own 951 00:58:25,349 --> 00:58:29,519 podcast. And you know, we have special offers, fill in the 952 00:58:29,519 --> 00:58:33,689 blank. So then there has, so what I like about the publisher 953 00:58:33,689 --> 00:58:39,989 feed is you have a verification, so that you can check in the 954 00:58:40,019 --> 00:58:43,889 original, in this case, Tony Evans feed, you can check that 955 00:58:43,889 --> 00:58:49,199 Oh, yes, indeed, they really are a part of this publisher, but 956 00:58:49,199 --> 00:58:52,409 they can be part of multiple publishers around the country or 957 00:58:52,409 --> 00:58:53,339 around the world. 958 00:58:56,369 --> 00:59:01,649 Dave Jones: Okay, so let me see. So you would have Yeah, this is 959 00:59:01,649 --> 00:59:04,319 kind of where I've, this I think I understood what you were 960 00:59:04,319 --> 00:59:08,549 saying. Because this this is a little bit. It kind of flips 961 00:59:08,579 --> 00:59:13,349 what on earth? Conceptually, it flips it around. Yes, it does. 962 00:59:13,379 --> 00:59:17,159 It does. It does instead of one publisher, many feeds sort of 963 00:59:17,159 --> 00:59:22,709 like mini feeds one, or this is sort of like mini publishers one 964 00:59:22,709 --> 00:59:30,299 feed. Like there's so you have Tony Evans feed, who could exist 965 00:59:30,299 --> 00:59:31,799 in multiple published Yes. 966 00:59:31,860 --> 00:59:36,480 Adam Curry: And the reason why it's important is because I 967 00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:40,650 guess technically the app would verify or something. There's a 968 00:59:40,650 --> 00:59:44,010 verifications like oh, okay, these two are indeed connected. 969 00:59:44,130 --> 00:59:46,950 Now that connection is done by consensus between those two 970 00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:51,450 parties offline. You know, say hey, you can put us in and we 971 00:59:51,450 --> 00:59:55,170 and we will verify by putting in our feed that yes, you are an 972 00:59:55,170 --> 00:59:59,160 official publisher distributor radio station, call away you 973 00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:03,150 want it Then the critical part, the critical part is when 974 01:00:03,150 --> 01:00:08,790 someone sends value, can the station then right away, get a 975 01:00:08,790 --> 01:00:13,290 pre arranged split in the value block because they are an 976 01:00:13,290 --> 01:00:14,400 approved publisher? 977 01:00:17,609 --> 01:00:20,969 Dave Jones: I think what I think what you're saying would work 978 01:00:20,969 --> 01:00:21,389 yeah. 979 01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:25,260 Adam Curry: The enthusiasm and the certainty of how you 980 01:00:25,260 --> 01:00:26,730 answered that has me worried. 981 01:00:30,270 --> 01:00:35,790 Dave Jones: This downtrend. I'm trying to think of downsides 982 01:00:35,820 --> 01:00:37,410 before I say, yeah. 983 01:00:39,989 --> 01:00:43,349 Adam Curry: And the reason why I ask is because I have stations, 984 01:00:43,469 --> 01:00:47,099 and I have publishers who are very excited about the idea. 985 01:00:48,210 --> 01:00:50,940 Dave Jones: Okay, so what I'm thinking of, though, is that, is 986 01:00:50,940 --> 01:00:56,490 it appropriate to have? Is that the right thing to do to have a 987 01:00:56,490 --> 01:01:00,660 publisher feed for this scenario versus just a playlist? 988 01:01:01,559 --> 01:01:03,539 Adam Curry: Well, this the verification part that I think 989 01:01:03,539 --> 01:01:06,779 is important, I mean, I figured could also do it with a pod roll 990 01:01:06,779 --> 01:01:12,779 technically. But I don't know. I mean, I like the idea of being 991 01:01:12,779 --> 01:01:17,129 able to go into a podcast app and search for k g, O D radio 992 01:01:17,129 --> 01:01:24,239 station. And that will be a collection of feeds that that 993 01:01:24,239 --> 01:01:27,689 station endorses, and they maintain that list, that list is 994 01:01:27,689 --> 01:01:30,869 verified. So they can just add people who aren't actually 995 01:01:30,869 --> 01:01:36,029 verified as as affiliates, because they are going to then 996 01:01:36,359 --> 01:01:40,829 as their broadcast towers slowly melt into the mud of climate 997 01:01:40,829 --> 01:01:45,299 change, they will be able to promote their channel in the 998 01:01:45,299 --> 01:01:49,709 modern podcast apps. Because the thing is, they know they're not 999 01:01:49,709 --> 01:01:53,279 getting young people anymore. They know that's over. And so 1000 01:01:53,279 --> 01:01:55,529 they're trying to fit what do we do with this asset? Well, we 1001 01:01:55,529 --> 01:01:58,859 move in because they still want to broadcast. And they still 1002 01:01:58,859 --> 01:02:01,859 want to keep their local flavor, which is important, which is 1003 01:02:01,859 --> 01:02:06,479 what radio is good at. So whatever the system is, that's 1004 01:02:06,479 --> 01:02:10,259 what I need. Because I think there's a huge, particularly as 1005 01:02:10,259 --> 01:02:15,509 radio is is shifting. And you have Ms. NPR could do this too. 1006 01:02:15,539 --> 01:02:19,829 But you know, NPR, but they could do the exact same thing 1007 01:02:19,829 --> 01:02:24,929 with their local stations. They could say, hey, go to Kuku t, 1008 01:02:25,139 --> 01:02:30,029 this the Austin NPR station. And normally they buy all the all 1009 01:02:30,029 --> 01:02:33,449 this programming. So you can hear Terry Gross. Now, they may 1010 01:02:33,449 --> 01:02:36,869 also have their local shows, and you go to any modern podcast 1011 01:02:36,869 --> 01:02:41,099 app, you search K UT, and and yes, you can get their local 1012 01:02:41,099 --> 01:02:44,099 programming, but here is there, boom, there's their channel, 1013 01:02:44,099 --> 01:02:46,949 there's their publisher feed, whatever we call it, there's 1014 01:02:46,949 --> 01:02:50,009 that thing. And underneath that it has all these feeds, the 1015 01:02:50,009 --> 01:02:53,099 value block splits are all set up in the background, and it's 1016 01:02:53,129 --> 01:02:57,779 an approved, verified system. So that, you know, they should they 1017 01:02:57,809 --> 01:03:03,689 they, in a perfect world, the app would only show feeds that 1018 01:03:03,689 --> 01:03:07,319 are verified through that through that feed pointing back 1019 01:03:07,319 --> 01:03:11,669 to that publisher, when that when that channel comes up. Wow, 1020 01:03:11,669 --> 01:03:12,689 have I explained that right? 1021 01:03:13,110 --> 01:03:16,710 Dave Jones: You're I think what's throwing me off is the 1022 01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:20,220 value flow part. No. Are you saying that there's value 1023 01:03:20,220 --> 01:03:24,690 flowing through to the publisher? Yeah, 1024 01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:26,760 Unknown: so we're okay. Yeah, automatically, 1025 01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:28,530 Dave Jones: because the publisher feed itself doesn't 1026 01:03:28,530 --> 01:03:31,740 have a value blog. There's no reason it can't, but it doesn't 1027 01:03:31,740 --> 01:03:36,540 have one. Like, as of right now, that wasn't really 1028 01:03:36,749 --> 01:03:39,719 Adam Curry: well, I guess. Well, because when I looked at the at 1029 01:03:39,719 --> 01:03:43,979 the publisher feed spec, they're all remote items. Right? Right. 1030 01:03:44,939 --> 01:03:48,269 So I could then I'm just presuming I can then say 1031 01:03:48,269 --> 01:03:51,629 alright, I'm a publisher. I've these are my verified shows. So 1032 01:03:51,629 --> 01:03:56,249 they're they're they're showing in my feed when someone boosts 1033 01:03:57,359 --> 01:04:04,109 Can we somehow tie in the value block for that station? For a 1034 01:04:04,109 --> 01:04:08,159 pre arranged percentage 10% Whatever. Just like we do with 1035 01:04:08,159 --> 01:04:11,759 value time split doors that they might complicating things too 1036 01:04:11,759 --> 01:04:12,209 much. 1037 01:04:15,809 --> 01:04:24,929 Dave Jones: It would be it would be better if the publisher feed 1038 01:04:26,339 --> 01:04:32,669 had the value blog in it. Yeah. Which there's no reason it 1039 01:04:32,669 --> 01:04:33,269 can't. 1040 01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,360 Adam Curry: I'm breaking your brain more than Eric I love it. 1041 01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,830 I mean Dobby Das is in the biz rockin in the boardroom saying 1042 01:04:46,830 --> 01:04:49,770 yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. It's possible. Yes, yes, yes. But I 1043 01:04:49,770 --> 01:04:52,800 mean, he's way deeper deeper into it than I am. So. 1044 01:04:53,909 --> 01:04:59,459 Dave Jones: Yeah, no, there's a case. Just be clear. There is no 1045 01:04:59,999 --> 01:05:07,349 But look, there is no reason that a value blog cannot be in 1046 01:05:07,349 --> 01:05:13,079 the publisher feed. And it should. the only the only thing 1047 01:05:13,079 --> 01:05:18,839 is right now, that's not going to, that's going to go nowhere. 1048 01:05:20,609 --> 01:05:23,669 At this point, I mean, this the poster feed stuff is just it's 1049 01:05:23,729 --> 01:05:24,749 so brand new. 1050 01:05:25,199 --> 01:05:27,959 Adam Curry: Well, that's why I'm trying to insert everything now. 1051 01:05:28,139 --> 01:05:31,379 Like, can we change something? Or is there if it needs to be 1052 01:05:31,379 --> 01:05:34,169 something else? That's okay. The 1053 01:05:34,199 --> 01:05:36,599 Dave Jones: know the way this stuff is all built? Is this all 1054 01:05:36,599 --> 01:05:40,439 built on? You know, their, their widgets? You know, they're 1055 01:05:40,439 --> 01:05:43,589 plugged, they're these pieces plugged together? I mean, the 1056 01:05:43,919 --> 01:05:46,889 brilliant part of this that Alex came up with was the remote 1057 01:05:46,889 --> 01:05:50,369 item. Yes, yes. Yes, yes. Which, you know, because once you have 1058 01:05:50,369 --> 01:05:54,569 that piece, you can just plug things in. And so a publisher 1059 01:05:54,569 --> 01:05:59,069 feed is just an RSS feed is just a podcast feed. So you can plug 1060 01:05:59,429 --> 01:06:04,229 anything in it. But but the what you have to do in order for it 1061 01:06:04,229 --> 01:06:09,809 to actually function in, in the way you intend, is you have to 1062 01:06:09,809 --> 01:06:13,679 have app level support? Of course, of course, of course, 1063 01:06:13,709 --> 01:06:15,239 Adam Curry: I know that so that 1064 01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:19,170 Dave Jones: when you're listening, it has the app knows 1065 01:06:19,170 --> 01:06:24,300 to look for these things. Yes. And this, if that's the if 1066 01:06:24,300 --> 01:06:29,640 that's the case. And you have that, yeah, there's no reason 1067 01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:30,510 that wouldn't work 1068 01:06:30,540 --> 01:06:34,020 Adam Curry: isn't maybe, because I can see so many you even with 1069 01:06:34,020 --> 01:06:39,240 music, I can see. So I can I understand how publisher feeds 1070 01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:43,110 work with music. And it's really just terminology, because all 1071 01:06:43,140 --> 01:06:46,650 versions of the same thing. So in this case, I'm really talking 1072 01:06:46,650 --> 01:06:50,580 about a distributor feed. And what does that mean? That means 1073 01:06:50,580 --> 01:06:55,470 that the distributor is promoting actively promoting 1074 01:06:55,470 --> 01:06:59,910 their channel, their distribution channel, and they 1075 01:06:59,910 --> 01:07:04,320 have relationship with the feeds that are provided in that 1076 01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:09,270 channel. And what I'd like to add to that is that that 1077 01:07:09,270 --> 01:07:12,990 relationship flows all the way through to value time split, 1078 01:07:13,500 --> 01:07:16,860 that the apps recognize that so this is the attribution part I 1079 01:07:16,860 --> 01:07:22,260 was talking about. So if, if k God and Houston is promoting the 1080 01:07:22,260 --> 01:07:26,880 crap out of their, their, their K God channel in the modern 1081 01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:32,850 podcast apps, maybe they even do a deal with, with true fans and 1082 01:07:32,850 --> 01:07:37,110 with fountain and with POD verse, and say, Hey, promote our 1083 01:07:37,140 --> 01:07:41,880 promote our K God channel, that then people go to the app, they 1084 01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,490 hit it. And then as they're listening to any of those 1085 01:07:44,490 --> 01:07:49,380 podcasts in it. So I would presume that you would actually 1086 01:07:49,380 --> 01:07:54,360 subscribe to the K God distribution channel, one, click 1087 01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:57,480 subscribe, and you get all of the new episodes from 1088 01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:01,320 everything. Underneath that now, you could always go and find 1089 01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:06,030 Tony Evans yourself. But then when, when, when you when you're 1090 01:08:06,030 --> 01:08:10,020 playing, when you're listening, then automatically a piece goes 1091 01:08:10,020 --> 01:08:12,870 back to the distribution channel, because they promoted 1092 01:08:12,870 --> 01:08:13,050 it. 1093 01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,110 Dave Jones: See, this is what okay, this is what keeps 1094 01:08:16,110 --> 01:08:21,660 bringing me back to the to the idea that there may there may be 1095 01:08:21,660 --> 01:08:26,940 better than just have this thing be a playlist. This in this 1096 01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:36,030 sense, because the key God there, they would have just a 1097 01:08:36,030 --> 01:08:40,500 normal podcast feed. Yeah. And they're going to have and 1098 01:08:40,500 --> 01:08:42,840 they're going to be put in what they would be publishing is 1099 01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:47,280 remote items from from Tony Evans feed or all these other 1100 01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:54,210 feeds. And then they built into that they would have the value 1101 01:08:54,210 --> 01:09:01,050 block in the item just directly, right. So go ahead. And then and 1102 01:09:01,050 --> 01:09:04,620 that's already that's already accounted for, because you 1103 01:09:04,620 --> 01:09:09,600 really don't need the two way verification in this sense. I 1104 01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:15,000 mean, the two way verification, because what because what you're 1105 01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:21,060 doing, you're going to kg ODS feed, they created that feed, 1106 01:09:21,480 --> 01:09:26,460 and they're not, they're not claiming that they're owned by 1107 01:09:27,270 --> 01:09:31,230 that they own these other things. They're not making that 1108 01:09:31,230 --> 01:09:35,070 claim. That's what the publisher feed concept does. Okay, it 1109 01:09:35,070 --> 01:09:38,250 could publish with a concept makes an ownership claim, right? 1110 01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:46,320 The the playlist just makes just makes an assertion that here is 1111 01:09:47,130 --> 01:09:53,010 I'm giving you a link to this other content. And for that, for 1112 01:09:53,010 --> 01:09:59,070 that benefit. I want to get a piece of of the action. Yeah. So 1113 01:09:59,190 --> 01:10:03,900 if kg Oh, D just has a playlist fee but basically public medium 1114 01:10:03,900 --> 01:10:12,090 equals playlist one of the playlist categories, then there 1115 01:10:12,090 --> 01:10:14,280 are a podcast that all is part of what it would be medium 1116 01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:20,760 because podcast L, they can then have a links to all the to all 1117 01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:24,330 these content, all this content, and they just controlled the 1118 01:10:24,330 --> 01:10:25,680 split directly. Okay. 1119 01:10:25,710 --> 01:10:28,380 Adam Curry: Okay, now just bear with me. I like it. So one last 1120 01:10:28,380 --> 01:10:33,180 question. Okay, so the remote items, can the remote items, 1121 01:10:33,180 --> 01:10:37,140 just say any new episode from these feeds or does not have to 1122 01:10:37,140 --> 01:10:40,740 be items individually to they have to go in and edit and say 1123 01:10:40,740 --> 01:10:43,440 okay, we want the latest Tony Evans who want the latest this 1124 01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:44,910 the latest that the latest this? 1125 01:10:46,860 --> 01:10:49,920 Dave Jones: It could be it would have to be specific. Okay, 1126 01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:52,350 though, it has to be less specifically identified. But I 1127 01:10:52,350 --> 01:10:56,130 would think NEC and you know, CMS can be could do that could 1128 01:10:56,130 --> 01:11:01,740 pull the latest and insert that data in there doesn't sound like 1129 01:11:01,740 --> 01:11:12,300 a barrier to me. Okay. Alright, guys. We can mark it up, you 1130 01:11:12,300 --> 01:11:14,400 know, like, like, yeah, we 1131 01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:21,150 Adam Curry: need to Jesus feed mock up. And yeah. Yeah, mocking 1132 01:11:21,150 --> 01:11:23,280 it up would actually be good just wouldn't get our heads 1133 01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:26,460 around it then. And I wouldn't be pushing this this hard. If I 1134 01:11:26,460 --> 01:11:30,570 didn't have a real world scenario, and people actually 1135 01:11:30,570 --> 01:11:36,330 excited about this, who are in trouble? And who, and who want 1136 01:11:36,330 --> 01:11:41,310 to move to a new realm and have big towers to broadcast and 1137 01:11:41,310 --> 01:11:44,490 promote this stuff, promote our apps promote value for value 1138 01:11:44,490 --> 01:11:48,210 promote the whole thing. And and they want to play? You know, so 1139 01:11:48,210 --> 01:11:51,600 I really, I'm very interested in trying to make this work. 1140 01:11:52,440 --> 01:11:55,860 Dave Jones: Yeah, I think the the, I just feel like the 1141 01:11:55,860 --> 01:12:03,210 playlist is the best way. Yeah. Because, you know, Bs, Steven 1142 01:12:03,210 --> 01:12:07,080 bass, right? Publisher feeds are expecting to be pointing to 1143 01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:09,240 feeds and not not items. 1144 01:12:11,100 --> 01:12:13,020 Adam Curry: Which is what I was kind of looking for I was kind 1145 01:12:13,020 --> 01:12:17,580 of looking for. It's almost like an OPML file, you know, where 1146 01:12:17,730 --> 01:12:21,600 you subscribe to an OPML. file? And then right, and then you 1147 01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:25,080 just you get the new episodes automatically, instead of there 1148 01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:28,440 being a secondary process? 1149 01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:34,410 Dave Jones: Yes. I think what you're envisioning is a way to 1150 01:12:34,410 --> 01:12:39,000 make make it sort of easy to syndicate. 1151 01:12:39,180 --> 01:12:42,150 Adam Curry: Yeah, it was totally about syndication as complete. 1152 01:12:42,150 --> 01:12:44,700 That's entirely what it is. Because 1153 01:12:44,700 --> 01:12:47,520 Dave Jones: you, like in your mind, you're saying, Okay, well, 1154 01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:50,670 I just want to put this feed in here. And then, and then that 1155 01:12:50,670 --> 01:12:52,710 automatically just gets all the content, right. 1156 01:12:52,710 --> 01:12:56,160 Adam Curry: But people subscribe to one feed, the K Gods feed, 1157 01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:59,730 and then they get all that content when it comes out. And 1158 01:12:59,730 --> 01:13:02,280 the only, which I know is possible with the publisher 1159 01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:06,300 feed, even though that's more of an ownership, I get it all. But 1160 01:13:06,330 --> 01:13:08,970 that's what kind of struck me it's like, wow, this is a cool 1161 01:13:08,970 --> 01:13:12,540 way to do it. And then we just want the attribution part, which 1162 01:13:12,540 --> 01:13:17,280 is the Okay, so when I'm listening to this new episode, 1163 01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:20,970 which is a remote item comes from some other from the Tony 1164 01:13:20,970 --> 01:13:24,000 Evans fee, but I'm listening to it in this one feed that I'm 1165 01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:28,560 subscribed to, then I want the value block stuff to also work 1166 01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,920 as a as a remote as a value time split. 1167 01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,160 Dave Jones: Yeah, I'm just concerned about the, I'm 1168 01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:39,720 concerned about the connectivity not going through correctly on 1169 01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:46,170 the app side. Was that, like, you sort of like that concept 1170 01:13:46,170 --> 01:13:54,870 you have have? Is, is intended to be it does exist on the on 1171 01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:57,810 the app, if they support publisher fees, but it's meant 1172 01:13:57,810 --> 01:14:01,650 to be loose. You know, it's meant to be like a loose 1173 01:14:01,860 --> 01:14:07,320 connection between feeds and their publisher. And what I mean 1174 01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:10,320 by loose is, I mean, like they don't, you can just you can 1175 01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,660 decide at any time, okay, I'm gonna go find out who the 1176 01:14:12,660 --> 01:14:16,290 publisher is. Or I'm going to find out which feeds these 1177 01:14:16,290 --> 01:14:19,830 publisher owns. What you need to do, the thing that you're 1178 01:14:19,830 --> 01:14:23,880 talking about is sort of a tight coupling. Yeah. Because you're 1179 01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:27,240 you need a tighter coupling that's more akin to value time 1180 01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:32,130 split, yes. Where, where that where the, the content that's 1181 01:14:32,130 --> 01:14:37,710 being played at any moment really is tied to the publisher. 1182 01:14:39,030 --> 01:14:44,040 Like it needs to be because money is being sent. And so at 1183 01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:48,780 any given time, the podcast app needs to know what it's like the 1184 01:14:48,780 --> 01:14:52,500 exact relationship between these two entities. And I don't and I 1185 01:14:52,500 --> 01:14:57,090 think that the proper conceptually the proper use for 1186 01:14:57,090 --> 01:15:03,120 that is a playlists, okay? If there's something about, like, I 1187 01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,610 don't mind marking this up, I can, I can do that. And if 1188 01:15:05,610 --> 01:15:09,180 they're in the process, if if we find that there's something that 1189 01:15:09,180 --> 01:15:12,750 doesn't work, I mean, we can also we can always, you know, 1190 01:15:12,810 --> 01:15:14,790 add to this bag to make it, 1191 01:15:14,820 --> 01:15:18,300 Adam Curry: I love it. I love it. Because so I mean, so at 1192 01:15:18,300 --> 01:15:22,920 least you understand the elements. The idea is radio 1193 01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:26,610 station has relationship with publishers, whether that's 1194 01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:31,830 however that is, and for that relationship, that means that 1195 01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:35,370 they can promote one feed, subscribe to this in your modern 1196 01:15:35,370 --> 01:15:39,510 podcast app. And I'm envisioning, you know, radio 1197 01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:42,870 stations blasting out names of apps. Okay. I mean, this is this 1198 01:15:42,870 --> 01:15:49,770 is where I'm going, I'm going big. And, you know, like the 1199 01:15:49,770 --> 01:15:53,340 full monty because it's that is that dire? Really, I mean, they 1200 01:15:53,340 --> 01:15:55,950 want stupid Adam curry used to come and talk, you know, it was 1201 01:15:55,950 --> 01:15:59,310 like that, like, oh my god, what m&ms Does he want only red and 1202 01:15:59,310 --> 01:16:02,580 green. So you know, they're very desperate, the very desperate 1203 01:16:02,580 --> 01:16:05,850 big bowl, the ferret desperate to understand how they can move 1204 01:16:05,850 --> 01:16:12,270 into the digital era with this with this content, syndication 1205 01:16:12,300 --> 01:16:16,740 method, so that they provide value, but then they right away 1206 01:16:16,740 --> 01:16:20,820 get a piece of the value instead of this old fashioned buying, 1207 01:16:20,850 --> 01:16:23,520 you know, then putting they actually have the act, there's a 1208 01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:30,240 CMS type system called M M boss or something, am B O S, that 1209 01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:33,600 does a lot of this distribution stuff automatically. And 1210 01:16:33,630 --> 01:16:36,210 everyone's sick of it, you know, it's like, we need to move to 1211 01:16:36,210 --> 01:16:39,660 digital and they don't know how to do it. And but the value 1212 01:16:39,660 --> 01:16:44,280 there's such huge value for the next 10 years in these towers, 1213 01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:49,050 broadcasting subscribe to K God on on your modern podcast app. 1214 01:16:49,290 --> 01:16:53,790 And then all the other stuff we have to fix for them. That's the 1215 01:16:53,790 --> 01:16:58,050 podcasting. 2.0 part. The end. So that's what I'd like to 1216 01:16:58,050 --> 01:17:01,350 deliver because it is exactly the same thing. NPR needs, by 1217 01:17:01,350 --> 01:17:05,370 the way, whether they're smart enough to realize it or not. Era 1218 01:17:05,370 --> 01:17:09,450 Yes, though, it's big. It's a really big idea. Well, 1219 01:17:09,660 --> 01:17:11,700 Dave Jones: okay, so if you look at the podcast namespace and 1220 01:17:11,700 --> 01:17:15,870 look under the medium tag, in the examples, there's an 1221 01:17:15,870 --> 01:17:22,200 example. That is basically this, except it's using in this 1222 01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:25,950 scenario, it's using music as an example. But this is but it's 1223 01:17:25,950 --> 01:17:28,590 essentially the same thing. Except this would not be a music 1224 01:17:28,590 --> 01:17:32,880 example, this would just be a podcast example. But it's 1225 01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:36,510 basically saying podcast is meat. And here is music. L So 1226 01:17:36,510 --> 01:17:39,480 instead of that, in this scenario would be podcast L. 1227 01:17:39,810 --> 01:17:43,500 Yeah. And you would just have a list of of remote items and 1228 01:17:43,500 --> 01:17:45,000 evaluate Sam 1229 01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,220 Adam Curry: Seth is in the boardroom and he's saying hey, 1230 01:17:47,220 --> 01:17:50,700 you know this we do this we this works that Sam you should be 1231 01:17:50,700 --> 01:17:53,130 boosting that hello what happened? What happened to the 1232 01:17:53,130 --> 01:17:57,030 income stream Sam used to be boosted ramming that the trigger 1233 01:17:57,030 --> 01:18:01,080 sound let's mock it up. Dave, you and I will work on this 1234 01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:03,930 market because that would be some hot stuff, man. Hi, there's 1235 01:18:03,930 --> 01:18:07,200 no super hot market up Hey, should we take a little break 1236 01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:10,140 and listen to some music and then we'll come back and talk 1237 01:18:10,140 --> 01:18:11,130 some more nerd stuff 1238 01:18:11,460 --> 01:18:14,160 Dave Jones: before we do this? Eric Are you Are you okay? 1239 01:18:14,850 --> 01:18:19,110 Eric Nantz: I'm good. Yeah. Join us like everyone else. 1240 01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:25,920 Adam Curry: All right that track not foreign the band not foreign 1241 01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:29,190 to podcasting. 2.0 we played them before they are the trusted 1242 01:18:29,610 --> 01:18:33,030 if you intend to boost during this song please let them know 1243 01:18:33,030 --> 01:18:36,900 that you heard it on podcasting 2.0 Episode 179 Here's your 1244 01:18:36,900 --> 01:18:41,130 track for today to trust it and doomsday podcasting 2.0 1245 01:18:51,090 --> 01:18:59,970 Unknown: We're playing poker demons nothing left to steal 1246 01:19:21,540 --> 01:19:29,910 just saw can please keep both hands on the wheel 1247 01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,950 Good Day. 1248 01:19:59,580 --> 01:19:59,940 Day 1249 01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:37,920 was supposed to say we're playing poker with demons 1250 01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:00,660 this 1251 01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:28,920 Adam Curry: lecture Domesday, the trusted on your podcasting 1252 01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:33,000 team. Yeah, I love those guys I think are great. Just one other 1253 01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:37,050 thing because there's another outfit I've been talking to just 1254 01:21:37,050 --> 01:21:39,870 to get everyone all excited because I'm bringing the 1255 01:21:39,870 --> 01:21:48,120 Satoshis baby there is a new media startup, probably the best 1256 01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:53,250 funded since Axios. Man that like $15 million, I think they 1257 01:21:53,250 --> 01:21:56,610 already have have raised for this and they're going to be 1258 01:21:56,610 --> 01:22:04,230 doing a monthly, like big with an audience, this interview type 1259 01:22:04,230 --> 01:22:09,420 setting with multiple hosts, I mean think I think a rock and 1260 01:22:09,420 --> 01:22:14,130 roll version of a debate, but not it's not really a debate. 1261 01:22:14,700 --> 01:22:18,660 And they're going real big with this. And I've been asked to be 1262 01:22:18,660 --> 01:22:23,880 an advisor, which as you know, I don't do. But I did say let me 1263 01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,400 stop you before you make some big mistakes because they 1264 01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:28,740 already Yeah, we're gonna build an app and everybody will watch 1265 01:22:28,740 --> 01:22:32,970 it on that app. Say you're an idiot. Stop, stop, stop. And 1266 01:22:32,970 --> 01:22:36,330 then so I laid it all out for with my explained to you all 1267 01:22:36,330 --> 01:22:38,790 these features you have in your app, we already have that. And 1268 01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:42,360 it's an all these apps. And then when I showed him the late 1269 01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:46,620 stuff, they went nuts, like how can I say you can do voting, you 1270 01:22:46,620 --> 01:22:49,980 can have all kinds of like, well, this is what we need. This 1271 01:22:49,980 --> 01:22:53,730 is what we want. So I just want to say I'm working for y'all. 1272 01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,010 I'm working. I'm working. I'm working. I'm working on the 1273 01:22:56,010 --> 01:22:58,680 railroad all the live long day to to poopoo. 1274 01:23:01,860 --> 01:23:06,390 Dave Jones: It this is a this is a Todd Cochran level secret 1275 01:23:06,810 --> 01:23:08,850 company that cannot be named? Not 1276 01:23:08,850 --> 01:23:12,780 Adam Curry: yet. No. But within within hours by July, they'll be 1277 01:23:12,780 --> 01:23:17,820 able to be to be named I mean, I don't want when they have their 1278 01:23:17,820 --> 01:23:23,010 sizzle reel, then we'll all know what it's about. But I 1279 01:23:23,010 --> 01:23:26,790 specifically actually I said, Hey, you know, look at all these 1280 01:23:26,790 --> 01:23:29,700 apps. But if you want to see what's possible, look at true 1281 01:23:29,700 --> 01:23:32,910 fans. Because if you want to, if you want to see all the stuff 1282 01:23:32,910 --> 01:23:34,860 that's out there, if you want to see everything that's possible, 1283 01:23:34,860 --> 01:23:37,620 it's all these features you've been talking about. Here it is, 1284 01:23:37,980 --> 01:23:39,660 Dave Jones: if you want to see everything that's possible, and 1285 01:23:39,660 --> 01:23:40,770 some things that are not Yeah, 1286 01:23:40,770 --> 01:23:42,900 Adam Curry: some things are completely impossible, but yet 1287 01:23:42,930 --> 01:23:48,270 the true fans.fm. But, you know, they they just, you know, they 1288 01:23:48,300 --> 01:23:51,240 they know about a lot of our apps already. And they're just 1289 01:23:51,270 --> 01:23:54,660 so I just took them away from him with some for some reason. 1290 01:23:54,660 --> 01:23:58,140 They have this belief that and I'm sure some app company told 1291 01:23:58,140 --> 01:24:01,860 them this, that they could not get high quality video unless it 1292 01:24:01,860 --> 01:24:03,150 was native and apps. 1293 01:24:07,170 --> 01:24:09,630 Dave Jones: I don't know what that means, like, yeah, exactly. 1294 01:24:10,290 --> 01:24:14,160 Adam Curry: bullcrap. So they were told, because it's a video, 1295 01:24:14,220 --> 01:24:18,300 it's a video thing. Yeah, we're told that unless they go with a 1296 01:24:18,300 --> 01:24:22,020 native app, then they'll never get the high quality video 1297 01:24:22,020 --> 01:24:24,780 they're looking for. That's total horse here. 1298 01:24:25,020 --> 01:24:25,860 Dave Jones: Does that. Yeah. 1299 01:24:26,970 --> 01:24:29,760 Adam Curry: It says total horse drive that. Yeah, this is 1300 01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:34,350 totally not true. So that's the level I'm dealing with. But 1301 01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:36,090 we're working on it. We're 1302 01:24:36,090 --> 01:24:38,850 Dave Jones: working on it. Yes, you're evangelizing I, of 1303 01:24:38,850 --> 01:24:42,570 Adam Curry: course I am. In more ways than one day for more ways 1304 01:24:42,570 --> 01:24:42,690 than 1305 01:24:44,340 --> 01:24:46,200 Dave Jones: press the lights bringing them in. That's right. 1306 01:24:46,230 --> 01:24:49,170 Adam Curry: That's right. From all nations, all nations. 1307 01:24:51,060 --> 01:24:53,550 Dave Jones: Do you want to I've got a couple of things on mine. 1308 01:24:53,730 --> 01:24:59,130 Yes, of course. Do you have. Do you want to talk about the open 1309 01:24:59,130 --> 01:25:04,800 podcast sinking? yeah that Jack Jack Dorsey's interview about 1310 01:25:05,850 --> 01:25:08,730 Adam Curry: I didn't see Jack Dorsey's interview, but I had no 1311 01:25:08,730 --> 01:25:09,870 idea what you're talking about. 1312 01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:13,890 Dave Jones: Oh, you did? He did an interview in this in this 1313 01:25:14,910 --> 01:25:19,260 thing called pirate wires. Okay, that wasn't aware of this outfit 1314 01:25:19,260 --> 01:25:24,420 pirate wires.com. He just talked a lot about about social media 1315 01:25:24,420 --> 01:25:29,880 and being way out I mean, I don't know. What do you want to 1316 01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:31,830 you want to get you want to go? techie want to go nerdy? 1317 01:25:31,860 --> 01:25:33,870 Adam Curry: Well, let me let me just let me just say, let me say 1318 01:25:33,870 --> 01:25:36,060 one thing, I'll say one thing, and then you take it wherever 1319 01:25:36,060 --> 01:25:39,810 you want to go. But just wanted to discuss the latest Apple ad. 1320 01:25:41,220 --> 01:25:44,370 That is so controversial, I'd 1321 01:25:44,370 --> 01:25:50,100 Dave Jones: do this this ad. I don't see why this is such a big 1322 01:25:50,100 --> 01:25:52,830 deal. It's just a bunch of it's just marketing crap. Ah, 1323 01:25:53,430 --> 01:25:56,010 Adam Curry: this is why this is why I wanted to give you my 1324 01:25:56,010 --> 01:25:58,650 opinion, which as you know, is the most important thing to me. 1325 01:26:00,990 --> 01:26:04,650 Apple, because you know, as compared to the 1984, the 1326 01:26:04,650 --> 01:26:08,220 introduction of the Mac, you know, the big brother thrown the 1327 01:26:08,220 --> 01:26:13,800 sledgehammer through the screen. Apple is known, and the company, 1328 01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:20,790 the actual DNA of the company, when Steve Jobs was there, and 1329 01:26:20,790 --> 01:26:25,170 then he went away, and he came back was, it was Steve Jobs was 1330 01:26:25,380 --> 01:26:30,060 a messianic like figure, Steve Jobs was a creator. And here's 1331 01:26:30,060 --> 01:26:34,500 where I'm gonna use that term that he created. He created art, 1332 01:26:34,500 --> 01:26:39,420 he created beautiful machines. He, he wanted to create things 1333 01:26:39,420 --> 01:26:43,590 that people could create things, building up a creative creating, 1334 01:26:43,770 --> 01:26:48,810 making, giving beauty to the world, the culture and Apple is 1335 01:26:48,810 --> 01:26:55,170 now Satan. Because they went completely destructive. It that 1336 01:26:55,170 --> 01:26:59,280 shows you that Apple, I'm short Apple, because that shows you 1337 01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:03,990 the culture inside their company has now become destructive. 1338 01:27:04,290 --> 01:27:09,420 That's where that comes from. They showed destruction instead 1339 01:27:09,420 --> 01:27:15,600 of creation, very telling for me about the zeitgeist, the vibe, 1340 01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:19,620 the DNA and the soul of Apple has flipped, they have gone 1341 01:27:19,620 --> 01:27:20,250 dark. 1342 01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:24,030 Dave Jones: That's an interesting take. Okay, so like, 1343 01:27:25,350 --> 01:27:28,980 I just saw this as an ad, like every other ad is just like, 1344 01:27:29,010 --> 01:27:32,940 whatever. I mean, I have I have no reaction to things like this, 1345 01:27:32,940 --> 01:27:35,940 because I'm like, it's just, it's just marketing me. Like, 1346 01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:39,660 it's like, scrubbing bubbles in your toilet for your toilet. 1347 01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:44,280 Like, who cares? I'm just writing psychological take on 1348 01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:46,230 this that I had not considered. But I've 1349 01:27:46,230 --> 01:27:49,530 Adam Curry: been in I've had an advertising agency, these 1350 01:27:49,530 --> 01:27:52,590 things, they, you know, if they didn't come from within the 1351 01:27:52,590 --> 01:27:58,080 company, they, especially these aspirational type things. They 1352 01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:01,290 come from within the soul of the company. And then particularly 1353 01:28:01,290 --> 01:28:04,590 with an apple, they don't just put these big ads out and put it 1354 01:28:04,590 --> 01:28:08,430 this a very expensive ad. They come with a lot of approvals. 1355 01:28:08,430 --> 01:28:11,310 They go through a lot of processes, a lot of people that 1356 01:28:11,310 --> 01:28:14,310 you know, steering committees, they have to think about it. And 1357 01:28:14,310 --> 01:28:17,640 the soul of Apple is now destructive. I mean, this is 1358 01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:21,390 something that I mean, you know, we once did a Super Bowl ad for 1359 01:28:21,390 --> 01:28:25,080 Oracle, oh, man, it was it was fields of wheat, and it was 1360 01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:29,370 beautiful and windmills. And yeah, it was all fantastic. And 1361 01:28:29,370 --> 01:28:33,300 I know how these things are made and how it gets, you know, Larry 1362 01:28:33,300 --> 01:28:36,450 Ellison had to be personally involved. And, you know, we had 1363 01:28:36,450 --> 01:28:39,480 the conceit of the entire campaign, you know, all these 1364 01:28:39,480 --> 01:28:43,950 fancy marketing words, this stuff only gets through and that 1365 01:28:43,950 --> 01:28:46,650 is the soul of the company. And when I started I don't give a 1366 01:28:46,650 --> 01:28:49,650 crap I don't have Mac stuff anymore. But I don't have an I 1367 01:28:49,650 --> 01:28:53,430 used to be a big, big Apple fanboy until they screwed up 1368 01:28:53,430 --> 01:28:58,920 USB. And but they've always they've always given the this is 1369 01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:02,220 for the crazy ones, you know, this is the uplifting building 1370 01:29:02,220 --> 01:29:06,060 and when you show destruction like that, bad marketing is 1371 01:29:06,060 --> 01:29:11,670 important marketing determines the determines what you are 1372 01:29:11,670 --> 01:29:15,330 saying about yourself as a company Apple, you know, Apple 1373 01:29:15,330 --> 01:29:20,670 never said you know, we have the fastest we have the this, you 1374 01:29:20,670 --> 01:29:24,420 know, it was like, here's what you can do with it. That was 1375 01:29:24,420 --> 01:29:29,070 it's actually one of the there's a famous video called What is 1376 01:29:29,070 --> 01:29:36,780 your why? And I forget the guy who does that. And he uses Apple 1377 01:29:36,810 --> 01:29:44,490 as as an example. And Apple was so different particularly in the 1378 01:29:44,490 --> 01:29:49,740 market because let's face it. Apple computers pretty much 1379 01:29:49,740 --> 01:29:53,490 sucked up until OSX. I mean, there was a lot of issues 1380 01:29:53,490 --> 01:29:56,580 compared to what else was out there. But it would had such a 1381 01:29:56,970 --> 01:30:01,440 cool, you know, just had such an incredible Inspirational vibe to 1382 01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:04,860 have. That's why people who create things create art have 1383 01:30:04,860 --> 01:30:09,600 always been drawn to it. But now it's like, no, no, no, you're 1384 01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:12,120 evil now, anyway, that was just my opinion. 1385 01:30:13,740 --> 01:30:16,530 Dave Jones: not thought of it in those terms, Simon 1386 01:30:16,530 --> 01:30:18,990 Adam Curry: Sinek, I think is the guy's name find your why 1387 01:30:18,990 --> 01:30:20,100 Simon Sinek 1388 01:30:21,780 --> 01:30:24,330 Dave Jones: it one thing I've always been interested in is how 1389 01:30:24,870 --> 01:30:29,760 this sort of goes back to, to your theory about a sort of a 1390 01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:33,030 dimension, a dimension V type thing where you have where 1391 01:30:33,030 --> 01:30:38,190 people read. I mean, we all do this. It's not, it's not any one 1392 01:30:38,190 --> 01:30:43,020 person ever, humanity does this, we all read the actions of 1393 01:30:43,020 --> 01:30:48,210 others into our, through our own lens, sure we bring, we bring a 1394 01:30:48,210 --> 01:30:54,210 worldview or a framework to other people's words and 1395 01:30:54,210 --> 01:30:59,280 actions, that we then interpret what they have done and said, in 1396 01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:04,410 a way that makes sense to based on our background and our life 1397 01:31:04,410 --> 01:31:07,770 experiences. So we sit, we essentially listen to what 1398 01:31:07,770 --> 01:31:11,670 people say, watch what they do. And then we tell ourselves a 1399 01:31:11,670 --> 01:31:17,130 story about what they mean, by do, but what those things mean. 1400 01:31:18,390 --> 01:31:24,210 And I'm always interested in what the story is that we tell 1401 01:31:24,210 --> 01:31:30,600 ourselves about these things that that are out there. One 1402 01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:37,830 thing I used to always enjoy doing is posting a headline, I 1403 01:31:37,830 --> 01:31:44,880 like these ambiguous. I would read an article. And, and 1404 01:31:45,180 --> 01:31:49,740 sometimes the headline is ambiguous. It is a it's a thing 1405 01:31:49,740 --> 01:31:55,170 that can go either way, like left or right. You know, in sort 1406 01:31:55,170 --> 01:32:00,240 of, like, either way, and then you just post it. And you see 1407 01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:04,830 how people react to it. They're like, yeah, or no, or like it's 1408 01:32:04,860 --> 01:32:10,470 but but really, it's like, if you the intent of the article is 1409 01:32:10,470 --> 01:32:17,640 one way, but people would read it both ways. So I guess what 1410 01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:21,030 I'm saying is one thing that I didn't think about with this ad 1411 01:32:21,900 --> 01:32:25,830 is since people are reading it as the way you said as 1412 01:32:25,830 --> 01:32:30,060 destruction. And I mean, clearly that's what it is. But what I 1413 01:32:30,060 --> 01:32:37,260 mean is I ignored the fact that it got so many people so upset. 1414 01:32:39,090 --> 01:32:40,770 And that's probably 1415 01:32:41,310 --> 01:32:43,830 Adam Curry: a noteworthy occurrence. 1416 01:32:45,090 --> 01:32:48,690 Dave Jones: Yeah, it probably indicates that there's, it's 1417 01:32:48,690 --> 01:32:51,630 probably a good barometer for the way people's minds are 1418 01:32:51,630 --> 01:32:56,580 currently in culture. They're afraid. They're afraid of 1419 01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:03,240 people. They're afraid of corporations, governments, large 1420 01:33:03,270 --> 01:33:09,030 institutional players, crushing them. People, people feel 1421 01:33:09,030 --> 01:33:14,010 crushed. People feel like their jobs are going to be taken away 1422 01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:19,440 by technology. People feel like their dreams are being crushed 1423 01:33:19,440 --> 01:33:24,870 by the march forward of quote unquote, society. I 1424 01:33:24,870 --> 01:33:25,980 Adam Curry: think you're nailing it here. 1425 01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:29,610 Dave Jones: Total in book because people feel that way. 1426 01:33:29,610 --> 01:33:33,210 Because that's a sort of prevailing zeitgeist of the way 1427 01:33:33,450 --> 01:33:40,230 of in everyone's mind. There's a trip there's a says there's a 1428 01:33:40,230 --> 01:33:46,710 like a permeating trepidation of these sorts of things. You end 1429 01:33:46,710 --> 01:33:52,830 up with reactions to they're probably overreactions. But 1430 01:33:52,830 --> 01:33:56,760 their reactions that make sense based on what people already 1431 01:33:56,760 --> 01:34:07,680 have inside of them. You know, there's a there's a sort of the 1432 01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:11,610 story that people tell themselves about what they see 1433 01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:20,580 now is dark. Because they they expect it to be dark. It that's 1434 01:34:20,580 --> 01:34:24,480 the way things feel right now. Yeah. And so that I think, yeah, 1435 01:34:24,510 --> 01:34:28,110 that you I accept your reprimand. 1436 01:34:33,660 --> 01:34:42,720 Accepted. Yeah, there's there's a there's a Do you know the term 1437 01:34:44,820 --> 01:34:54,600 actinic actinic? No, it's like, it means like it's the sort of 1438 01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:59,640 chemical damage that happens when, with like, high energy 1439 01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:06,870 lie. It's like an ultraviolet damage that happens. It damages 1440 01:35:06,870 --> 01:35:10,110 and damages like tissue chemically based on light 1441 01:35:10,110 --> 01:35:14,940 energy. This feels like that sort of thing. This This feels 1442 01:35:14,940 --> 01:35:20,520 like an actinic moment where Apple thought they were doing 1443 01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:24,720 something very cute and very progressive. And very, like, 1444 01:35:24,780 --> 01:35:29,280 look look at how amazing this is. Yeah. And their own 1445 01:35:29,310 --> 01:35:33,810 amazement add themselves cause damage. Hmm 1446 01:35:36,420 --> 01:35:42,180 Adam Curry: yeah, the meaning of actinic Relating to or resulting 1447 01:35:42,180 --> 01:35:45,810 from exhibiting chemical changes produced by radiant energy, 1448 01:35:45,810 --> 01:35:48,420 especially in visible and ultraviolet parts of the 1449 01:35:48,420 --> 01:35:49,050 spectrum. 1450 01:35:50,310 --> 01:35:56,010 Dave Jones: Yeah, this is this is a, this feels like they feel 1451 01:35:56,040 --> 01:36:00,660 a sort of they this this radiance that they want to 1452 01:36:00,660 --> 01:36:05,010 portray is ending up being harmful. This this this 1453 01:36:05,010 --> 01:36:09,180 portrayal of themselves and their products as soon as 1454 01:36:09,930 --> 01:36:11,490 amazing and 1455 01:36:13,110 --> 01:36:15,210 Adam Curry: they're sad. They're trying to be the light, but 1456 01:36:15,210 --> 01:36:16,680 they're frying everybody with it. 1457 01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:20,160 Dave Jones: It fried everybody's brain. Yeah, you know, you know, 1458 01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:23,820 what else put puts out a lot of light. Nuclear nuclear 1459 01:36:23,820 --> 01:36:30,900 explosions and lasers are not laser lasers. Yeah, I mean, 1460 01:36:30,900 --> 01:36:36,150 things that I think there's a point in which light is no 1461 01:36:36,150 --> 01:36:41,220 longer helpful. It's harmful. Yeah. And I think that their own 1462 01:36:41,220 --> 01:36:43,560 vision of themselves has become a little too pure. 1463 01:36:44,550 --> 01:36:48,180 Adam Curry: Also, I feel in general, and Eric fields, but 1464 01:36:48,180 --> 01:36:50,490 feel free to chime in whenever you want. Since we're doing 1465 01:36:50,580 --> 01:36:57,210 philosophy corner. I feel in general, that the way the people 1466 01:36:57,210 --> 01:37:01,530 are feeling today is they are gadget tired. They are tired of 1467 01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:08,100 gadgets and then tchotchkes that longterm under deliver Amazon 1468 01:37:08,130 --> 01:37:11,460 Alexa is biz comes to mind, right off the bat, how many 1469 01:37:11,460 --> 01:37:14,430 people I haven't heard say, not threw that thing out. Me all. I 1470 01:37:14,430 --> 01:37:17,940 did only set timers for me and I got some other speakers solution 1471 01:37:17,940 --> 01:37:22,110 for sound. I think that considering how people are 1472 01:37:22,110 --> 01:37:26,550 feeling about their pocketbook, you know, the next iPhone, you 1473 01:37:26,550 --> 01:37:29,940 know, it's like, no, no, it's like, what, what can you really 1474 01:37:29,940 --> 01:37:36,480 do for me? And, you know, and an AI is not really it, it's AI has 1475 01:37:36,480 --> 01:37:39,720 the same problem. noster has, you know, nostre is a, just a 1476 01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:42,870 social network, that doesn't work really well. And AI is just 1477 01:37:42,870 --> 01:37:44,880 a chatbot that gets it wrong all the time. 1478 01:37:46,620 --> 01:37:49,560 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. You know, much as a really fast 1479 01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:51,240 chatbot for wrong answer. Yeah, 1480 01:37:51,270 --> 01:37:55,140 Adam Curry: my sister is in that in that she never ceases. She 1481 01:37:55,140 --> 01:37:58,110 has heard she got her master's in psychology, but she's an 1482 01:37:58,140 --> 01:38:03,180 online psychology that they have to ask her the the title like an 1483 01:38:03,180 --> 01:38:07,500 engineer, basically. And she works for tech companies. And 1484 01:38:07,500 --> 01:38:11,100 she uses whatever's available, whatever tools for search for 1485 01:38:11,100 --> 01:38:16,020 shopping sites. And, and so like big ones, like really big stuff. 1486 01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:23,010 And, and so she's doing a lot of custom MLMs for, for catalog 1487 01:38:23,010 --> 01:38:28,440 companies. And she says, Man, it's so expensive. And it's but 1488 01:38:28,440 --> 01:38:32,700 the companies are also in on it. And even. And I said, Well, you 1489 01:38:32,700 --> 01:38:36,030 know, I'm waiting for the pivot to quantities. Oh, no, we almost 1490 01:38:36,030 --> 01:38:39,720 missed that they're already all over at companies want quantum 1491 01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:44,010 computing for their search and recommendation. And from what 1492 01:38:44,010 --> 01:38:50,010 she has heard, Google actually has an outrageously good quantum 1493 01:38:50,190 --> 01:38:55,290 computer that can do exactly that type of search. But by the 1494 01:38:55,290 --> 01:38:58,740 time you add on all the features, she says is 1495 01:38:58,740 --> 01:39:02,970 unaffordable. There's no way in hell she says anyone's ever 1496 01:39:02,970 --> 01:39:05,700 going to use this stuff because of the affordability. And we're 1497 01:39:05,700 --> 01:39:09,870 going to run out of computing power and power itself to even 1498 01:39:09,900 --> 01:39:10,950 see if it works. 1499 01:39:12,180 --> 01:39:15,180 Dave Jones: So I believe I can believe that. Yeah, for sure 1500 01:39:15,180 --> 01:39:19,500 that that makes a lot of sense. There's a general fatigue. 1501 01:39:20,130 --> 01:39:23,430 There's a tech fatigue that is pervasive, pervasive right now. 1502 01:39:23,430 --> 01:39:28,050 That's right. It is so pervasive, I cannot tell you how 1503 01:39:28,050 --> 01:39:33,690 many people I talk to that so so there's a friend of mine that 1504 01:39:34,500 --> 01:39:44,370 did a was involved in a startup that they're, they're struggling 1505 01:39:44,370 --> 01:39:50,040 right now. Probably not going to make it and it was a very 1506 01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:54,450 forward looking startup. They can't sell it. They can't sell 1507 01:39:54,450 --> 01:39:57,300 this product has no money. It's no money. There's no money. 1508 01:39:57,480 --> 01:40:02,070 There's no money out there and you know Uh, that's the second 1509 01:40:02,100 --> 01:40:05,010 friend of mine that I've had who's had a startup failure in 1510 01:40:05,010 --> 01:40:08,880 the last in the last two years. There's just no appetite for 1511 01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:17,700 this stuff anymore. You know, we my wife's gotta get a fairly 1512 01:40:17,700 --> 01:40:24,750 decent new computer. And somebody sent her some PDFs the 1513 01:40:24,750 --> 01:40:30,690 other day a PDF attachments. And just to fill out like a W nine 1514 01:40:30,690 --> 01:40:33,900 or whatever to so they could she could take it 1099 Her first and 1515 01:40:33,900 --> 01:40:42,900 art work. And we cannot look, I've been a sysadmin for 28 1516 01:40:42,900 --> 01:40:50,880 years. I could not get these attachments to work. Does she 1517 01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:59,370 have an iPad? It knows a Mac is there is the basics within the 1518 01:40:59,370 --> 01:41:05,370 technology world do not work reliably. Yeah, they just don't 1519 01:41:05,730 --> 01:41:10,050 we, that the tech fatigue comes from, like, we used to be able 1520 01:41:10,050 --> 01:41:16,080 to get away from stuff. So you would come home. And you when 1521 01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:22,920 you entered your home. You You were disconnected from the world 1522 01:41:22,920 --> 01:41:31,710 at large. So you left the world and you came home. And that was 1523 01:41:31,710 --> 01:41:34,020 a sort of like a it was a respite 1524 01:41:34,050 --> 01:41:36,150 Adam Curry: you lose your kids 1525 01:41:38,250 --> 01:41:43,470 Dave Jones: after dinner after. So you know it was a it was a 1526 01:41:43,470 --> 01:41:49,200 respite from this constant. The world out here it's hard to deal 1527 01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:52,170 with because of course it is because humanity and and 1528 01:41:52,170 --> 01:41:54,690 brokenness and sin and all these kinds of things that we all deal 1529 01:41:54,690 --> 01:41:58,170 with is the world we live in. And it's it's there and it's 1530 01:41:58,170 --> 01:42:02,130 hard. And you come home and there's a there's a respite that 1531 01:42:02,130 --> 01:42:05,550 you get to enjoy until the next day, where you have to go and 1532 01:42:05,550 --> 01:42:10,620 you have to you have to toil again. Now the world follows us 1533 01:42:10,620 --> 01:42:15,630 around constantly into our homes into our bedrooms into there is 1534 01:42:15,630 --> 01:42:16,620 no relief. 1535 01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:19,740 Adam Curry: Yeah, we saw we saw this common. We saw it all 1536 01:42:19,740 --> 01:42:20,970 coming. Yet 1537 01:42:20,970 --> 01:42:24,210 Dave Jones: technology is not it's not. It has not been the 1538 01:42:24,210 --> 01:42:28,680 great liberator. Now, in a lot of sense, it has been a set of 1539 01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:30,060 shackles. Yes, 1540 01:42:30,630 --> 01:42:34,620 Adam Curry: I did have a vision though. I had a vision. I had a 1541 01:42:34,620 --> 01:42:37,950 vision. And here's the words that came out of my mouth. The 1542 01:42:37,950 --> 01:42:43,590 our podcast apps are about to become Swiss Army apps. There's 1543 01:42:43,590 --> 01:42:47,580 something going on with the media that we're consuming the 1544 01:42:47,580 --> 01:42:50,610 media that when I think it happened when I saw that chart 1545 01:42:50,610 --> 01:42:55,230 going up to 3000 feeds medium equals music. I'm like, these 1546 01:42:55,230 --> 01:42:59,730 apps are going to be the distribution apps in the future. 1547 01:43:00,090 --> 01:43:04,350 Because people are tired. They're tired of all these apps 1548 01:43:04,350 --> 01:43:07,050 for your streaming and your for this and you for that and all 1549 01:43:07,050 --> 01:43:10,560 these things. And it'll all just work in your Swiss Army app. 1550 01:43:12,090 --> 01:43:15,240 Dave Jones: I want audio books in my chest and 1551 01:43:15,240 --> 01:43:17,460 Adam Curry: yes, of course. Of course you're gonna get it 1552 01:43:17,490 --> 01:43:18,750 you're going to I promise you 1553 01:43:20,850 --> 01:43:23,850 Dave Jones: I want I want that I've been listening to a lot of 1554 01:43:23,850 --> 01:43:28,860 audiobooks lately. Not as many podcasts and man I could I would 1555 01:43:28,860 --> 01:43:32,280 tear up some audio books in my in pay for and dead stream sets 1556 01:43:32,310 --> 01:43:33,030 all day. 1557 01:43:33,060 --> 01:43:36,570 Adam Curry: I'm a big audio book guy big. I mean, I that's how I 1558 01:43:36,570 --> 01:43:40,110 read books. You know, I read so much I'm tired of reading so I 1559 01:43:40,110 --> 01:43:43,140 just want to hear it just just read it to me daddy. Me 1560 01:43:43,140 --> 01:43:45,990 Dave Jones: too. Yeah, I mean I pay we pay 25 bucks a month. 1561 01:43:46,020 --> 01:43:49,560 Yeah, like big. The top tier audible Yeah, and then you got 1562 01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:50,640 scription you have 1563 01:43:50,670 --> 01:43:53,130 Adam Curry: 8000 credits well you don't use them they're gonna 1564 01:43:53,130 --> 01:43:58,020 go away. I mean, we do value value please please 1565 01:43:58,080 --> 01:44:00,660 Dave Jones: let me stream I mean, there's so many good 1566 01:44:00,930 --> 01:44:04,470 narrators out there that with great pipes that could read all 1567 01:44:04,470 --> 01:44:07,350 kinds of books and just make a really good living off that 1568 01:44:07,380 --> 01:44:10,350 Yeah. On to point A What do you say 1569 01:44:11,790 --> 01:44:14,520 Eric Nantz: to them? I'm an audio chunky as well. 1570 01:44:14,550 --> 01:44:16,200 Adam Curry: Yeah. What do you use 1571 01:44:18,720 --> 01:44:21,150 Eric Nantz: it's audible unfortunately but I'm waiting 1572 01:44:21,150 --> 01:44:24,780 for modern adoption of these and the apps the thing is 1573 01:44:24,780 --> 01:44:27,750 Adam Curry: ma'am this so liberating the money is non 1574 01:44:27,750 --> 01:44:31,470 existent for authors and publishers in Audible is 1575 01:44:31,500 --> 01:44:35,790 unbelievable. I toyed with the book for a while. And then they 1576 01:44:35,790 --> 01:44:39,960 showed me the the mechanics and the numbers. And basically you 1577 01:44:39,960 --> 01:44:44,430 will make no money off of that Amazon takes it all, all of it. 1578 01:44:45,690 --> 01:44:50,220 Dave Jones: In Spotify is audio book thing. That's just a that's 1579 01:44:50,220 --> 01:44:52,590 just a play to get there. Bundling does that you're not 1580 01:44:52,590 --> 01:44:54,660 going to make anything off that. So 1581 01:44:54,660 --> 01:45:00,690 Adam Curry: hence, the honesty, the openness, the enthusiasm The 1582 01:45:00,690 --> 01:45:05,940 grassroots the scissoring of podcasting 2.0 is the future. 1583 01:45:08,429 --> 01:45:17,669 Dave Jones: Podcasting 2.0 colon this scissoring? When a couple a 1584 01:45:17,939 --> 01:45:23,069 couple things, just things that happened this week, AP bridge 1585 01:45:23,069 --> 01:45:25,499 fixed a fixed bug in that. Yeah. 1586 01:45:25,500 --> 01:45:29,310 Adam Curry: What was the what was the what was the bug? So 1587 01:45:29,310 --> 01:45:34,170 Dave Jones: that was related to Mastodon author with a thing 1588 01:45:34,170 --> 01:45:38,490 called authorized fetch. Hmm. So what was happening was people 1589 01:45:38,490 --> 01:45:44,190 were trying to save people from certain instances like Mastodon, 1590 01:45:44,370 --> 01:45:48,990 if you have this mode turned on, you can go in there and enable a 1591 01:45:48,990 --> 01:45:52,440 thing in Mastodon called authorized fetch, but also other 1592 01:45:53,340 --> 01:45:58,050 other activity pub platforms have this to like miski and 1593 01:45:58,050 --> 01:46:01,170 Sharky. And in that thing, there's some others. It 1594 01:46:01,170 --> 01:46:06,630 basically just enforces HTTP requests signing on every call, 1595 01:46:06,630 --> 01:46:13,830 not just posting. So for activity, pub, for many activity 1596 01:46:13,830 --> 01:46:17,850 platforms, they require HTTP signing. That means you have to 1597 01:46:17,850 --> 01:46:22,800 you have a private key. And you have to send your public key and 1598 01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:29,340 the hash the signed hash with or the sign digest in the HTTP 1599 01:46:29,340 --> 01:46:34,290 headers with the request if you're going to post a note. But 1600 01:46:35,550 --> 01:46:39,060 and that's all it's only it's only for posting, but then, and 1601 01:46:39,060 --> 01:46:43,170 things like follows. But authorize fetched in fetch 1602 01:46:43,170 --> 01:46:46,740 enforces it for every single call, even calls simple calls, 1603 01:46:46,740 --> 01:46:52,530 like acts act asking for an actor. So that's, that was it. 1604 01:46:52,530 --> 01:46:54,900 So we just had to start signing every request. And now that's 1605 01:46:54,900 --> 01:46:56,760 fixed. It should be we should be good. 1606 01:46:56,850 --> 01:46:59,670 Adam Curry: It was interesting in that conversation I had about 1607 01:46:59,670 --> 01:47:04,080 the just new media company. I was talking to him about 1608 01:47:04,110 --> 01:47:07,830 activity pub, and they really liked BA, they had no idea and I 1609 01:47:07,830 --> 01:47:10,560 started to explain it to him, and you saw their eyes. And I 1610 01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:13,950 was like, you know, once you can get them past the idea of 1611 01:47:13,950 --> 01:47:18,990 Mastodon and like this just hooks applications together. And 1612 01:47:18,990 --> 01:47:21,720 you can communicate I mean, then they're like, Wow, in the I 1613 01:47:21,720 --> 01:47:24,990 always use the washing machine. Like my washing machine can tell 1614 01:47:24,990 --> 01:47:27,360 me that a load has done that I can publish it here. And I can 1615 01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:28,170 get it over here. 1616 01:47:30,630 --> 01:47:34,680 Dave Jones: On master. Now, but yeah, they like to have can tell 1617 01:47:34,680 --> 01:47:36,990 me that the laundry is the dryer is finished. 1618 01:47:37,290 --> 01:47:39,540 Adam Curry: We know people who understand media and 1619 01:47:39,540 --> 01:47:42,120 syndication, they get this really quick when you put it 1620 01:47:42,120 --> 01:47:47,070 into terms that they understand like, oh, okay, okay. Yeah. 1621 01:47:48,030 --> 01:47:53,250 Dave Jones: The API's. Now, publishing is now reporting the 1622 01:47:53,250 --> 01:47:56,730 publisher medium correctly, it was not doing that before, get 1623 01:47:56,910 --> 01:48:00,060 got a couple more things to do. And the API for full publisher 1624 01:48:00,060 --> 01:48:07,410 mediums, support. I've got to add support for, like, into the 1625 01:48:07,410 --> 01:48:13,860 endpoints got to deliver that remote items correctly. So that 1626 01:48:13,860 --> 01:48:16,500 when you have a publisher feed, it'll it'll give you the remote 1627 01:48:16,500 --> 01:48:17,100 items 1628 01:48:17,430 --> 01:48:19,110 Adam Curry: mean, like it should, right? That was yeah, 1629 01:48:19,140 --> 01:48:21,240 that you need to fix that. Yes, I remember that. Yeah. 1630 01:48:21,510 --> 01:48:23,160 Dave Jones: Yeah, just need some. We just need full support. 1631 01:48:23,160 --> 01:48:26,850 I just gotta get in there and do it. Dovid I don't know if you 1632 01:48:26,850 --> 01:48:30,360 saw this Dobby. Das has a live stream test. Yeah. 24/7 1633 01:48:30,360 --> 01:48:30,780 switching 1634 01:48:30,780 --> 01:48:34,080 Adam Curry: blocks every minute or something. Huh? Yeah, that's 1635 01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:34,470 cool. 1636 01:48:34,860 --> 01:48:37,800 Dave Jones: So if anybody's wanting to support live streams 1637 01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:43,140 with value blocks, or I mean, or just live streams in general, 1638 01:48:43,170 --> 01:48:46,890 with your podcast app, yeah. Go hook into WDS as live stream. 1639 01:48:47,460 --> 01:48:52,050 And that way you can, you know, sandbox, your app. 1640 01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:55,470 Adam Curry: I love all of our hosting providers, all of them 1641 01:48:55,500 --> 01:48:59,820 for so many reasons. And especially the big ones who 1642 01:48:59,820 --> 01:49:03,000 support this, but also help me move when you know, when you 1643 01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:07,200 have a Buzzsprout adding a tag. It really moves stuff. Yeah, it 1644 01:49:07,200 --> 01:49:11,910 does. But I'm also so excited by the 2.0 native guys, like Dobby 1645 01:49:11,910 --> 01:49:16,800 das and Barry. I mean, I'd like to see more. You know, I 1646 01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:18,990 understand how the numbers work. You know, if you're, if you're 1647 01:49:18,990 --> 01:49:21,600 one guy, and you can do it all and you can develop and you 1648 01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:24,690 could make it all work. And you get you know, you got 1000 1649 01:49:24,690 --> 01:49:26,760 paying customers. You got a business. 1650 01:49:28,260 --> 01:49:30,240 Dave Jones: That's not Yeah, that's where the scissors are. 1651 01:49:31,410 --> 01:49:32,640 Small guys. Yeah, 1652 01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:35,850 Adam Curry: exactly. And there's a lot of scissoring going on 1653 01:49:35,850 --> 01:49:39,630 with those small guys that tell y'all. Yeah. 1654 01:49:42,270 --> 01:49:45,360 Dave Jones: Yeah, I think I think yeah, I think that's about 1655 01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:49,590 it. We can talk about open podcasts and KPI next week. We 1656 01:49:49,590 --> 01:49:50,820 get some people to thank probably, 1657 01:49:50,910 --> 01:49:53,280 Adam Curry: Eric, anything else before we go into our thank 1658 01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:53,610 yous? 1659 01:49:54,810 --> 01:49:57,720 Eric Nantz: Oh, it's been lots of fun to join you all and if 1660 01:49:57,720 --> 01:50:01,680 you have, of course any feedback on this A famous dashboard. It's 1661 01:50:01,680 --> 01:50:05,160 just a GitHub issue away or shout me out i Macedon that goes 1662 01:50:05,160 --> 01:50:08,010 anyone out there? I'm really eager to improve that a lot. We 1663 01:50:08,010 --> 01:50:08,220 love 1664 01:50:08,220 --> 01:50:09,780 Adam Curry: what you're doing, man, we love that you're part of 1665 01:50:09,780 --> 01:50:13,410 the gang. It's it's great to have we have such a cool, 1666 01:50:13,440 --> 01:50:15,660 eclectic, varied bunch. 1667 01:50:17,010 --> 01:50:19,890 Eric Nantz: Oh, it's a good writing. I really, really feel 1668 01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:23,160 great to be a part of this. And I wish I could bring some of 1669 01:50:23,160 --> 01:50:27,510 that same energy to the audience that I have for my little 1670 01:50:27,510 --> 01:50:29,910 podcast called our weekly highlights. I haven't quite 1671 01:50:30,090 --> 01:50:33,630 caught on the value value train yet, but I keep trying to unplug 1672 01:50:33,630 --> 01:50:34,200 it. What's 1673 01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:37,260 Adam Curry: the where do we find is our our weekly highlights? Is 1674 01:50:37,260 --> 01:50:40,800 that what it's called? Yep, yep. In any in any modern podcast 1675 01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:41,760 app. I'm presuming. 1676 01:50:42,270 --> 01:50:44,700 Eric Nantz: That's right. It's even got the fancy chapter 1677 01:50:44,700 --> 01:50:49,770 images and links and all that. Nice. 1678 01:50:51,030 --> 01:50:54,210 Dave Jones: podcast number 1062040. Just in 1679 01:50:54,210 --> 01:50:57,870 Adam Curry: case you're keeping track. All right, let me run 1680 01:50:57,870 --> 01:51:00,150 down the booths. We've gotten quite a few booths live and then 1681 01:51:00,150 --> 01:51:02,250 we'll thank people who have come in throughout the week call 1682 01:51:02,250 --> 01:51:05,910 McCormack. 2222. thrown my name in the ring for V for V 1683 01:51:05,910 --> 01:51:09,270 narration and voice acting services on anyone's audio book. 1684 01:51:09,480 --> 01:51:14,970 Brilliant opportunity. I agree. 2222 from Steven B. He says we 1685 01:51:14,970 --> 01:51:17,520 need more philosophical ponderings from Dave some of the 1686 01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:19,950 best most thoughtful content Yes, that's what we're all 1687 01:51:19,950 --> 01:51:24,780 about. Eric peepee, where the 3333 shred word with 1000 SATs 1688 01:51:24,780 --> 01:51:27,060 one of the doorbells Dave's getting very deep and 1689 01:51:27,060 --> 01:51:30,150 philosophical could use more of this under the 2.0 for man I'm 1690 01:51:30,150 --> 01:51:33,570 telling you until you shred word again with 1000 SATs was an 1691 01:51:33,570 --> 01:51:36,510 Apple fanboy to iPhone seven when Steve Jobs passed the 1692 01:51:36,510 --> 01:51:39,660 company changed course. Been on Android and open source ever 1693 01:51:39,660 --> 01:51:45,060 since Apple is evolved. Dred Scott Dred Scott with a 666 1694 01:51:45,060 --> 01:51:51,810 Satoshis Apple boost question mark. Yes. Then we go to another 1695 01:51:51,810 --> 01:51:57,840 SRX Edward Oh, he boosted during the during the song from the 1696 01:51:57,840 --> 01:52:01,950 trusted and he said heard it on P 2.0. Thank you 3333 From 1697 01:52:01,950 --> 01:52:04,500 Shedra there's no better industry to be first in on the 1698 01:52:04,500 --> 01:52:07,800 cutting edge of V four v then religious broadcasting. That's 1699 01:52:07,800 --> 01:52:11,700 right. Well, they were the first ones who showed up. You know 20 1700 01:52:11,700 --> 01:52:16,800 years ago. The God casters were there first. Another 1500 from 1701 01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:21,210 shred word. extrordinary. Talk today Adams going big. There Sam 1702 01:52:21,210 --> 01:52:25,050 Sethi with 1000 sad saying I'm totally lost. I'm not sure what 1703 01:52:25,050 --> 01:52:28,680 point of the conversation that was but somewhere we lost Sam. 1704 01:52:28,950 --> 01:52:32,850 Guy Martin 9999 I have no idea what you guys are saying but I 1705 01:52:32,850 --> 01:52:35,400 love hearing totally competent people talk about their field of 1706 01:52:35,400 --> 01:52:41,490 expertise. You go Dred Scott with a short row 2222 of the 1707 01:52:41,490 --> 01:52:45,420 ducks boosting the duck DB salty crayon let's do to do did it for 1708 01:52:45,420 --> 01:52:49,800 the ducks. He says 5150 from the tone record Friday running with 1709 01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:52,890 scissors boost and I just figured that might be 5150 that 1710 01:52:52,890 --> 01:52:56,910 says oh yeah, that might be a good one for a sound file. says 1711 01:52:56,910 --> 01:53:02,340 oh says Oh 5150 2220 from like Mike Newman sending ducks for 1712 01:53:02,340 --> 01:53:08,730 the testing. By the way the the so Chad F got the 777 that's the 1713 01:53:08,730 --> 01:53:15,990 harp 22,222 should have fired off a duck boost. And then we 1714 01:53:15,990 --> 01:53:18,810 had the Oh striper boost no one's had a striper booths which 1715 01:53:18,810 --> 01:53:22,230 is 77,777 No, no, 1716 01:53:22,500 --> 01:53:25,230 Dave Jones: no believe somebody just got a 777 Yeah, no, the 1717 01:53:25,230 --> 01:53:25,530 seven. 1718 01:53:25,710 --> 01:53:30,240 Adam Curry: Three sevens is the harp. five sevens is the striper 1719 01:53:30,240 --> 01:53:30,720 boost. 1720 01:53:31,170 --> 01:53:32,790 Dave Jones: I haven't heard anything come through the 1721 01:53:32,790 --> 01:53:34,920 soundboard and no no, no, no 1722 01:53:34,920 --> 01:53:39,570 Adam Curry: people are out of sets. Ran they ran dry. Fill in 1723 01:53:39,570 --> 01:53:44,700 their wallets. 11 Allah 11,111 row of sticks from champ how 1724 01:53:44,700 --> 01:53:48,270 does the splits affect this? If the goal is to hit a certain 1725 01:53:48,270 --> 01:53:50,970 number with a trigger, see the initial boost number or after 1726 01:53:50,970 --> 01:53:56,730 the splits are made. Okay, chimp. So in helipad, you can 1727 01:53:56,730 --> 01:54:01,440 choose to see the total number sent or the just the amount you 1728 01:54:01,440 --> 01:54:06,390 received. I've chosen the total number and the the boosts 1729 01:54:06,450 --> 01:54:12,570 actions. The actions are based on the whole number. Then we 1730 01:54:12,570 --> 01:54:17,730 have as Jim should have gotten because he said 22,222 And I 1731 01:54:17,730 --> 01:54:20,220 would say that's the proper amount but I think we had the 1732 01:54:20,220 --> 01:54:23,040 overlapping sounds there so I'm sorry, it didn't fire off. 1733 01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:27,270 Pfeiffer freedom boost 1776. That's something I could put a 1734 01:54:27,270 --> 01:54:30,600 sound in for Jad F with a whole bunch of triple sevens. Dred 1735 01:54:30,600 --> 01:54:36,810 Scott 3141 10,000. From Sam, as we already heard, Eric, our 1736 01:54:36,810 --> 01:54:41,250 podcast Eric 12345. And he says How about this super secure 1737 01:54:41,250 --> 01:54:44,790 password boost? Yes, yes, I should automatically send you my 1738 01:54:44,790 --> 01:54:48,630 private key. When when you lose that I'll do that in the 1739 01:54:48,630 --> 01:54:50,670 Eric Nantz: database access. Right. I just did it all. 1740 01:54:54,240 --> 01:54:58,050 Adam Curry: Let me see. Then we had just a lot of people testing 1741 01:54:58,050 --> 01:55:02,520 out different booster mounts and A millennial props to Eric 1742 01:55:02,520 --> 01:55:05,880 massive pee pee on the helipad update already tied it into my 1743 01:55:05,880 --> 01:55:11,760 setup s way go. With a boo boost. Hard Hat 3333 boosting it 1744 01:55:11,760 --> 01:55:15,390 works. Yes, we got the Boo Boos from blueberry. And oh yes 1745 01:55:15,390 --> 01:55:17,850 important to know that they're doing a live Battle of the 1746 01:55:17,850 --> 01:55:22,080 Bands. Right after no agenda on June 30. We had four artists 1747 01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:25,200 confirm and just five days, there'll be a live Battle of the 1748 01:55:25,200 --> 01:55:31,920 Bands. There's your triple seven. That's an Eric DP. That's 1749 01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:37,890 Eric. PP. Exactly. Yes, that's gonna be a cool one. All right, 1750 01:55:37,890 --> 01:55:44,760 everybody calm down. I still got 777 SATs in here somewhere. I 1751 01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:48,540 can use that. Yeah, so that's going to be I think a great 1752 01:55:48,540 --> 01:55:51,840 show. Looking forward to that. Give me some details. Guys. Give 1753 01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:55,200 me something to link to. Which actually see here, and we'll 1754 01:55:55,200 --> 01:56:00,210 promote that of course. More Testing, testing, testing. 1755 01:56:00,210 --> 01:56:02,100 That's it. I hit the delimiter There you go. 1756 01:56:02,730 --> 01:56:07,020 Dave Jones: Now Nice. We've got some pussy guess. Pay pals? 1757 01:56:08,190 --> 01:56:10,920 Oscar Mary. sent us $200 1758 01:56:11,100 --> 01:56:13,080 Adam Curry: Oh, Oscar. I think that 1759 01:56:15,330 --> 01:56:18,870 Unknown: 20 is blades on the Impala. Very nice. 1760 01:56:19,320 --> 01:56:22,320 Dave Jones: Thank you Oscar in the boys over there at fountains 1761 01:56:22,320 --> 01:56:30,510 appreciate that as always. We get Mitch in crayon and cow over 1762 01:56:30,510 --> 01:56:33,840 there at pod verse LLC headquarters. $50 1763 01:56:34,500 --> 01:56:36,360 Adam Curry: Thank you. Beautiful. Appreciate that. 1764 01:56:37,410 --> 01:56:40,170 Dave Jones: Appreciate that. And Mitch is back in the saddle. 1765 01:56:40,170 --> 01:56:44,760 He's He's unburned out on Fridays back all right, he's on 1766 01:56:45,210 --> 01:56:50,640 Friday. On Friday. Get some booster grams I'll see. To make 1767 01:56:50,640 --> 01:56:54,210 sure I'm in the right spot here. Yes, I am. Todd from Northern 1768 01:56:54,210 --> 01:56:59,370 Virginia 11111 Big satchel Richards from tippet tub. Pod 1769 01:56:59,370 --> 01:57:02,520 verse he says come for the hot namespace talk stay for the 60 1770 01:57:02,520 --> 01:57:04,110 SQL go podcast. 1771 01:57:04,650 --> 01:57:08,640 Adam Curry: Yes and I did get the did get the entire Hot 1772 01:57:08,640 --> 01:57:13,170 Pursuit movie in a decent quality so I'm pulling clips 1773 01:57:13,200 --> 01:57:15,030 pulling clips. What are my archive? I'm 1774 01:57:15,060 --> 01:57:17,100 Dave Jones: very good at in better audio than you had last 1775 01:57:17,100 --> 01:57:17,760 week. Yeah, after 1776 01:57:17,760 --> 01:57:19,410 Adam Curry: the show we're like Hey, I think I found it we 1777 01:57:19,410 --> 01:57:23,970 listened to it man it is bad it is capital bad and I'm not 1778 01:57:23,970 --> 01:57:26,370 talking to Michael Jackson bad is bad. 1779 01:57:26,940 --> 01:57:28,530 Dave Jones: Please pull clips of get 1780 01:57:29,760 --> 01:57:32,370 Adam Curry: good stuff pull some hot pursuit clips. Okay. 1781 01:57:33,450 --> 01:57:35,700 Dave Jones: Normal Ross podcasts and everybody Karen down there 1782 01:57:35,700 --> 01:57:39,570 in, in Australia from 1111 through found and he says I've 1783 01:57:39,570 --> 01:57:43,020 done some book reviews on my other podcast of amusing 1784 01:57:43,020 --> 01:57:46,290 ourselves to death and book wars about the suppose a death of 1785 01:57:46,290 --> 01:57:48,870 physical books. If anyone wants a condensed version of these 1786 01:57:48,870 --> 01:57:52,620 points. Technology can be summed up as just because we can 1787 01:57:52,620 --> 01:57:59,220 doesn't mean we will. That's right. So to carry on 1985 for 1788 01:57:59,220 --> 01:58:01,980 through the fountain app, he says was waiting to hear Doc 1789 01:58:01,980 --> 01:58:08,400 Brown bust in and Yale 1.2 jigowatts. That sucker will have 1790 01:58:08,400 --> 01:58:14,460 to be nuclear powered AI. That's right. That's right. 1111 a 1791 01:58:14,460 --> 01:58:19,800 central Richards from old norm. Here's all nor old normal. Sick 1792 01:58:19,800 --> 01:58:24,480 track. Heard it on podcast and 2.0 episodes. 178 Oh, nice. 1793 01:58:25,020 --> 01:58:28,740 Thank you. Norm. Appreciate the Oh Nora. Thank you Eleanor 5000 1794 01:58:28,740 --> 01:58:34,140 SATs from anonymous. Through pod verse. Rumor has it Larry 1795 01:58:34,140 --> 01:58:38,250 Bladerunner was once hired to direct an adult film. The movie 1796 01:58:38,250 --> 01:58:41,970 was a flop but it gave birth to the multiple orgasms genre. 1797 01:58:43,350 --> 01:58:45,840 Adam Curry: Oh, there's information I didn't need. I 1798 01:58:45,840 --> 01:58:48,960 Dave Jones: don't know what he's talking about. Just 1799 01:58:48,960 --> 01:58:51,960 Adam Curry: a lot of genres on PornHub I guess. I 1800 01:58:51,960 --> 01:58:54,930 Dave Jones: guess. Larry Blattner have no idea who that 1801 01:58:54,930 --> 01:58:58,530 is. Alright, thanks anonymous. Appreciate this. 1802 01:58:59,280 --> 01:59:00,390 Adam Curry: Thank you for that info. 1803 01:59:00,810 --> 01:59:05,880 Dave Jones: Yes, that's great. 2420 from Nura cheers to the 1804 01:59:05,880 --> 01:59:07,290 award winning John Holden. 1805 01:59:09,420 --> 01:59:11,400 Adam Curry: That's my my nom de plume. 1806 01:59:12,720 --> 01:59:15,840 Dave Jones: Andrew Gromit, 2222 Road ducks, thank you for the 1807 01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:18,690 API. It's the gift that keeps on giving. And 1808 01:59:18,690 --> 01:59:21,180 Adam Curry: thank you for making that web framework. Andrew 1809 01:59:21,180 --> 01:59:23,610 grommets important is going to be really important moving 1810 01:59:23,610 --> 01:59:25,230 forward. Andrew 1811 01:59:25,230 --> 01:59:27,750 Dave Jones: is one of those guys that just sneaks around and pops 1812 01:59:27,750 --> 01:59:31,200 up with a feature just comes out of nowhere, you know, I 1813 01:59:31,200 --> 01:59:32,820 Adam Curry: also think he probably made a lot of money 1814 01:59:32,820 --> 01:59:36,060 somewhere. I got a feeling Andrew left my loser company, 1815 01:59:36,420 --> 01:59:39,510 and then went somewhere and had an IPO event or something after 1816 01:59:39,510 --> 01:59:43,140 feeling Andrews doing good and I'm happy for him. Good. 1817 01:59:44,040 --> 01:59:47,100 Dave Jones: Linkin Park rolls through fountain 10,000 SAS 1818 01:59:47,160 --> 01:59:50,130 price. Hey, guys, I'm not sure if this is a namespace thing. 1819 01:59:50,310 --> 01:59:52,860 But I think bookmarks would be a great addition to podcasts and 1820 01:59:52,860 --> 01:59:56,100 people know apps. I'm on the go when I'm listening to podcasts 1821 01:59:56,100 --> 01:59:59,100 most of the time, and it would be great to just hit a button on 1822 01:59:59,100 --> 02:00:02,850 my lock screen. to bookmark something I could clip or share 1823 02:00:02,850 --> 02:00:06,150 in the future. I know Pocket Casts has this as a premium 1824 02:00:06,150 --> 02:00:10,740 feature so maybe a collab with them as an order collab. PS 1825 02:00:10,740 --> 02:00:13,440 Adam, it will be awesome if you could come on ungovernable 1826 02:00:13,440 --> 02:00:15,840 misfits in the future peace diet. 1827 02:00:15,840 --> 02:00:20,160 Adam Curry: I'm sure we can work that out. Marking is a that's an 1828 02:00:20,160 --> 02:00:23,280 app feature. Right? That's native to the apps I guess. 1829 02:00:23,820 --> 02:00:25,740 Dave Jones: Yeah. I don't know that. That doesn't really feel 1830 02:00:25,740 --> 02:00:26,640 like a namespace. 1831 02:00:27,510 --> 02:00:27,900 Adam Curry: No. 1832 02:00:30,720 --> 02:00:32,100 Dave Jones: I feel like we're going back in time. 1833 02:00:33,540 --> 02:00:36,510 Adam Curry: It is my it is my retro go back in time harp. Yes. 1834 02:00:36,780 --> 02:00:40,020 Yeah. I'm gonna have to remove that one is too easy for y'all. 1835 02:00:40,620 --> 02:00:41,070 Okay. 1836 02:00:41,970 --> 02:00:44,010 Dave Jones: And we got the delimiter comes through blogger 1837 02:00:44,040 --> 02:00:48,690 25,000 says through fountain. Howdy faily fellow audio files 1838 02:00:48,690 --> 02:00:52,080 Adam and Dave. Get ready for the ultimate audio adventure with 1839 02:00:52,080 --> 02:00:56,280 the podcast did YouTube channel and audio podcast hosted by the 1840 02:00:56,280 --> 02:01:00,840 one and only band drew the extreme audio file? Are you 1841 02:01:00,870 --> 02:01:04,560 weary of sifting through endless streams of audio mediocrity? 1842 02:01:04,950 --> 02:01:09,030 Look no further. The podcast edge Podcast is your one stop 1843 02:01:09,030 --> 02:01:13,770 shop for all things about microphones, visit www dot 1844 02:01:13,770 --> 02:01:19,530 podcast edge.com or search for podcast EJ on YouTube. Yo CSB. 1845 02:01:19,560 --> 02:01:22,080 Adam Curry: Thank you CSB. Yeah, Bandra is a good guy, man. If 1846 02:01:22,080 --> 02:01:24,990 you want to know about about gear band, who's your guy? 1847 02:01:25,230 --> 02:01:26,010 That's for sure. 1848 02:01:27,030 --> 02:01:29,250 Dave Jones: CSB. Always throwing stats at 1849 02:01:29,250 --> 02:01:30,900 Adam Curry: other people mess, right? Beautiful. It's a 1850 02:01:30,900 --> 02:01:32,640 beautiful man. Yep. 1851 02:01:34,650 --> 02:01:38,280 Dave Jones: And we got some monthlies. We got basil Phillip 1852 02:01:38,280 --> 02:01:43,680 $25 Thank you, basil. Lauren ball. $24.20 Thank you, Lauren. 1853 02:01:44,400 --> 02:01:49,860 Again, Chris for hyperbaric. $10 Mitch down at $10. Just maraca 1854 02:01:49,860 --> 02:01:55,410 $5 and Emilio Kendall Molina $4 Nice. 1855 02:01:55,980 --> 02:01:59,910 Adam Curry: Look at this group drip just posted a link to a 1856 02:01:59,910 --> 02:02:06,300 Swiss Army app image. What is the new chapter Meister? Man guy 1857 02:02:06,300 --> 02:02:09,750 he's out of control, out of control. But like I'll use it. I 1858 02:02:09,750 --> 02:02:10,710 use it dribble, use 1859 02:02:10,710 --> 02:02:12,690 Unknown: it for the art. That's great. Oh, nice. 1860 02:02:13,110 --> 02:02:15,420 Adam Curry: Thank you all very much. The whole project here has 1861 02:02:15,420 --> 02:02:19,050 value for value and what a fantastic amount of value we've 1862 02:02:19,050 --> 02:02:21,690 received today. I know we're all just playing around. But man, 1863 02:02:22,020 --> 02:02:26,010 what a great. What a great application helipad is and it 1864 02:02:26,010 --> 02:02:29,790 worked because it's such eolane Yes. And lots of SATs value for 1865 02:02:29,790 --> 02:02:34,830 value. And I love it. I love it. Eric p p send me your send me 1866 02:02:34,830 --> 02:02:37,110 your wallet. Man. I want to put you I want to put you in some 1867 02:02:37,110 --> 02:02:43,710 splits. You deserve it. We gotta you know, we've got a we've got 1868 02:02:43,710 --> 02:02:46,560 to remember our devs man who aren't necessarily in the flow. 1869 02:02:47,640 --> 02:02:50,520 So Alex gates, send me your split, man. Send me your split 1870 02:02:50,520 --> 02:02:53,430 info. We got to put some people into the splits. Make sure that 1871 02:02:53,670 --> 02:02:56,280 people who are doing this work, get get the value out of it as 1872 02:02:56,280 --> 02:02:59,310 well consider doing that on your own podcast, I would say Yeah. 1873 02:02:59,400 --> 02:03:02,250 Dave Jones: Alex is working on a project. Right now. hopefully 1874 02:03:02,370 --> 02:03:05,730 have some some some to report back on that here in the next 1875 02:03:05,730 --> 02:03:08,520 few weeks. Top secret popping project. 1876 02:03:12,210 --> 02:03:15,450 Adam Curry: Top secret, okay. And this is did you have an NDA 1877 02:03:15,450 --> 02:03:16,230 from you to say? 1878 02:03:16,770 --> 02:03:17,130 Dave Jones: Yes. 1879 02:03:17,220 --> 02:03:19,260 Adam Curry: Did you put him under NDA? Do you put them under 1880 02:03:19,260 --> 02:03:20,250 non compete? 1881 02:03:22,380 --> 02:03:24,030 Dave Jones: We're doing it all on Mineiro 1882 02:03:25,890 --> 02:03:28,380 Adam Curry: you know if someone would privacy coin if someone 1883 02:03:28,380 --> 02:03:30,660 want to do it be good for me. I'm fine with that. 1884 02:03:31,170 --> 02:03:33,270 Dave Jones: Man. There's a crackdown on privacy coins. 1885 02:03:33,450 --> 02:03:37,140 Hard. Like yeah, like some of those privacy coins like manera 1886 02:03:37,140 --> 02:03:39,780 getting like delisted off exchanges and stuff. Oh, really? 1887 02:03:39,780 --> 02:03:43,140 I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what exactly is going on. I 1888 02:03:43,140 --> 02:03:46,740 don't really keep track of it. But I have subscribe to this 1889 02:03:46,740 --> 02:03:51,810 newsletter. It's like a like a crypto newsletter that talks 1890 02:03:51,810 --> 02:03:54,540 about all kinds of things and they've been talking about that 1891 02:03:54,540 --> 02:03:57,450 lately about all these all these privacy coins that have been 1892 02:03:57,450 --> 02:04:02,280 just like like evaporating getting their evaporating off 1893 02:04:02,280 --> 02:04:04,170 the exchanges, right. Well, people are 1894 02:04:04,170 --> 02:04:06,870 Adam Curry: scared. Yeah, of course. People don't want to go 1895 02:04:06,870 --> 02:04:07,470 to jail. 1896 02:04:08,190 --> 02:04:10,290 Dave Jones: When the tornado cash and all that stuff start. 1897 02:04:10,320 --> 02:04:11,640 Oh, be 1898 02:04:11,640 --> 02:04:15,000 Adam Curry: honest. They were doing they were advertising for 1899 02:04:15,030 --> 02:04:19,530 the criminals. Like yesterday. Okay. Yeah. So like, okay, 1900 02:04:19,560 --> 02:04:22,740 whatever. Good. Don't do that. No, don't just know it's not 1901 02:04:22,740 --> 02:04:26,970 it's not a good idea. Data scientists Eric. Man, thank you 1902 02:04:26,970 --> 02:04:29,280 so much for coming on the show today. Thank you for all that 1903 02:04:29,280 --> 02:04:32,100 you're doing. Really appreciate it. It's great to have you and 1904 02:04:32,130 --> 02:04:35,310 great to have a Hoosier on the show. 1905 02:04:35,970 --> 02:04:37,920 Eric Nantz: Oh, pleasure to be here. And thanks for cleaning up 1906 02:04:37,920 --> 02:04:40,680 the boardroom after that chaos last week. I tell you, my 1907 02:04:40,680 --> 02:04:41,190 goodness. 1908 02:04:43,320 --> 02:04:44,730 Dave Jones: Don't don't turn on the black line. 1909 02:04:47,100 --> 02:04:49,170 Adam Curry: Alright, everybody, Have yourselves a great weekend 1910 02:04:49,170 --> 02:04:51,750 boardroom. Thank you for being with us, Dave. Brother. Have a 1911 02:04:51,750 --> 02:04:56,880 good weekend. You too, man. And we'll be back. Next week. We'll 1912 02:04:56,880 --> 02:04:59,370 do it again. On Friday. We'll bring you another board meeting 1913 02:04:59,370 --> 02:05:02,430 of podcast Send 2.0 Till then take care have a great weekend 1914 02:05:02,430 --> 02:05:03,150 everybody Bye 1915 02:05:19,500 --> 02:05:23,430 Unknown: You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 to visit 1916 02:05:23,430 --> 02:05:27,450 podcast index.org For more information, go 1917 02:05:27,450 --> 02:05:31,110 Adam Curry: podcast to poopoo