Adam Curry: Oh, casting 2.0 for July 26 2024, episode 186 room
2514 Oh, Hello once again, everybody it is time for the
only only place you need to be for everything that's going on
in podcasting. That is if you care about the future and what's
happening right now it is podcasting 2.0 We are the only
boardroom that always travels to where the action is. I'm Adam
curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in
Nashville, the man who can adjust your EBIT da with a
single stroke of his keyboard. Say hello to my friend on the
other end. The one the only Mr. Dave Jones
Dave Jones: for EBIT, da services Yes. To whoever to
whoever in Nashville needs them. I heard that yeah, it's super
easy.
Adam Curry: You already helped out Spotify. That was pretty
cool. That was nice of you. Yeah,
Dave Jones: yeah, we're there now fully profitable. Yes.
Adam Curry: I love that story. Yes, adjusted EBIT, da which
basically means everything without any costs, and then we
weren't profitable. So we'll just it's fixed. There you go is
done. Yeah.
Dave Jones: You just adjust it, you adjusted as adjusted EBIT dA
is the best scam thing I've ever heard in my life. Now, Spotify
is actually profitable now for real but like all these other
companies, I thought
Adam Curry: I thought they had adjusted EBIT da I thought no,
no, I think they're
Dave Jones: actually profitable. It was the other one that was
that adjusted their EBIT, da Hmm. Well,
Adam Curry: which one do you mean? Cast one?
Dave Jones: Um, it let's say wait, Somebody's knocking at the
door.
Adam Curry: I probably should mention at this point that Dave
is in Nashville. We don't know exactly where he is. We are in
the middle of the bands at Bitcoin. As you can hear that is
the band's at Bitcoin stage in the background. And we may have
some special guests stopping by In fact, I believe we have
chyron with us
Kyrin Down: Yeah, absolutely. I'm here in the other room.
Adam Curry: What room are you guys in?
Kyrin Down: So Dave was initially trying to actually do
it live from the bench at Bitcoin event around the corner?
Yeah, man that place was loud
Adam Curry: you know when they were talking about us doing the
board the board meeting from them like you that's that's
gonna be pretty complicated. So yeah, I figured so what Where
are you guys because I know you're not in Dave's Airbnb.
Kyrin Down: No, so the sound engineer who works there believe
his name Steven he he is actually staying in the Embassy
Suites so we're up in room 2514 got a pretty pretty decent view
out the window here and yeah, just got some separate rooms
here.
Adam Curry: If you're if you want to troll them go to room
2514 Everybody that's that's that's just docks yourself, man.
What are you doing?
Kyrin Down: Well, it's not my right. It's not my room. So
Adam Curry: is there a lot of sound engineer underwear laying
around? Is that Is that what it is?
Kyrin Down: No. Oh, let's let's see. And here is some some one
of those shoes the kind of barefoot shoes with the toes
Dave Jones: rocks
Adam Curry: sound engineer crocs No no, no, that's no good.
Dave Jones: Oscar and Nick from fountain OH.
Adam Curry: OH nine
Dave Jones: they just rolled in. Let me see if their mic works.
See if that mic works. Hello.
Adam Curry: Hey, is this awesome? Hey
Oscar Merry: Adam. Hey so let's go ahead wow
Adam Curry: it's like if a bomb fell on that hotel podcasting
2.0 was over. We're all done for will wave to the board room
everyone's in there and everyone's excited. Once you
give us a little Dave give us a little update and or you know go
around the room and talk about because you guys have been there
since yesterday, I think right? Yeah,
Dave Jones: I left a left Birmingham and like right after
work at like 515 or whatever la ran through the house kiss you
know, kiss the wife and kids and we're like, out of there. And
then it was like a it's usually like a two hour 15 minute drive
or something from Birmingham to Nashville. And let me guess it
took you three and a half. It was 353 15 Is it like it was
there was like torrential downpours on and off through the
whole drive in there was wrecks and all this kind of stuff so
like it took a long time to get here but I rolled in a relevant
to the Airbnb that I'm sharing with Kira, and last night I
guess about 830 or so a 45 and then went over to the vinyl
lounge where wave lake was doing their live stream with a bunch
of bands and walked in there and met chyron saw him and then met
Nick, which I'd never met before. And then we went up
like, then we just started like, hooking up with everybody. I
mean there was Dobby Das.
Adam Curry: Oh man. Oh, that's so awesome. Yeah,
Dave Jones: I tried to get Dobby das to come up here for the show
and I was in ER Karen did and he said his response was kind of
like
Dobby Das is all over the place like he's doing. Like what he
run and he's
Adam Curry: got he's got sound going he's got now who is it?
Okay, so let me just step back. So we have a band's a Bitcoin,
which I've been watching since yesterday and retweeting and
boosting and trying to let everybody know about it. That's
in the hotel that you're in right now. Right? Is it a
ballroom? Or what kind of room is it?
Dave Jones: What is it ask? It's like a,
Oscar Merry: it's kind of like, just the lounge area on one of
the floors
Adam Curry: kind of looks like a lounge chair. And I love that
they're doing it, but the backdrop is like, Okay, we need
it. We could have used a little bit of set dressing there.
Dave Jones: It's literally in the corner of like, the fourth
floor restaurant.
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's it sounds great, though. I mean, if
you listen to it, I mean, whoever's doing sound is doing a
good job.
Dave Jones: They get the gas or the guy that's doing sound or is
doing all the AV Steven.
Oscar Merry: Yeah, I think. Yeah.
Adam Curry: room you're in now.
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, we're gonna. Like, the plan was like,
the plan was just, this is this is like, not like any trip that
I ever do. I'm like a hyper planner. I usually have
everything figured out to the
Adam Curry: degree. In fact, I'm amazed that you're that you're
speaking to me at all. Because if something's not planned, Dave
typically is like, I'm not going to do it.
Dave Jones: So like for this trip, I'm like, I'm trying to go
within the spirit of chyron and just like winging it, and it is
the most uncomfortable thing in the whole world. So I told Oscar
last night I'm like, Yeah, I'm just gonna like show up at the
Embassy Suites tomorrow and just like figure out if we can do the
show from there. Because I was thinking it might be cool to
have the ambiance of like bands at Bitcoin in the background and
to be able to like yeah,
Adam Curry: we have here it is like There we go. That's Alicia
Stockman on stage right now, everybody. So
Dave Jones: you're doing it through the sea. I was going for
real ambiance which is not incompatible. Well, no,
Adam Curry: no, no, that will not work. Particularly not with
the noise gate. Now it won't work at all.
Dave Jones: And I was thinking like, I had this I have this
shotgun mic, the one that Oscar is using right now.
Adam Curry: Are you ambiance sound with that? Yeah, so
Dave Jones: I will, I was gonna, I was thinking, Okay, this
thing's directional. So maybe I can sit over here in the corner
behind the wall and catch a little bit of the of the music
and then also do the show. And I'm like, Okay, this is working.
I'm catching some music. Like I'm catching some ambiance here.
And then they did the soundcheck and it was like, No, this is
undoable, which I'm sure like as soon as I told you that in a
signal, you were like laughing your head off. And I
Adam Curry: was like, yeah, that kind of makes sense. But then
the way the signal message read I'm like, you know use like the
Wi Fi at the Airbnb is no good. And like, well, maybe, maybe we
won't be doing a show. I don't know what's happening. I was
literally just sitting here. You know, going through emails
looking at the whoever was on stage and then you popped up on
the clean feed. I'm like, Oh, well, there you go.
Dave Jones: Yeah. Even was Stephen was like, he was trying
to help us get everything set up. And then he's like, Hey,
man, if you just want to like use my room, here's my card key.
Just go use it. And I'm like, Cool. This is a cool room. Like
it's got this whole little, like, lobby in the room. Does
the elevators like a green roof? Does
Adam Curry: the elevator open up into the room itself was a one
of those. That's my favorite.
Dave Jones: That's Oscar nickname because they have the
big money. So
Adam Curry: I know Oscar and Nick have limited time guys.
First of all, I'm so I'm so happy that you're here. I'm glad
you made it safe from presume you came in from the UK.
Oscar Merry: Yeah, that's right. We flew in the night before
last. Yeah, yesterday was quite a tiring day. I think Dave when
we were talking just interrupted me at one point and said Oscar,
he looks so tired. Go to bed so on. Yeah, but no, it's been it's
been really fun. And the bands or Bitcoin thing, I think has
been a really good showcase of all of the live items. And yeah,
it's been so great to meet people from podcast index dot
social. I feel like everybody is here. That's been really really
cool.
Adam Curry: Yeah. So have you now have you been to the
conference at all? Have you have you been inside? The big the big
venue?
Oscar Merry: Not too much. To be honest. I do have a ticket. But
I've mostly been at the bands at Bitcoin event. I went in there
for about an hour yesterday, but it was mostly Industry Day
Bitcoin mining stuff. Yeah, but I plan to go today. I
Nick: think you're speaking tomorrow as well, right? Yeah,
I'm
Oscar Merry: doing a panel tomorrow with Sam from wavelike.
And Jim, as well, just talking about some of the music stuff
that's happening. So that should be good.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I'm a little disappointed that you showed up
there. And you still haven't done the demo for the new
wallets. I mean, do you not have time on the plane to put that
together?
Oscar Merry: To be honest, the blocker is a classic blocker is
just getting access to strike because Oh, really? Oh, no.
Because what happened was I was on the beta version.
Integration. Yeah, I've currently and fountain. They
weren't live in the UK, but they sent me like a beta version. So
I could test the OAuth flow. This was at the end of last
year. Now that it's launched, so I can sign up but I'm in this
kind of like middle ground of my account settings, so I can't
actually Okay, so I have an issue of strike right now. But
yeah, I'm definitely going to work on that. Okay. Yeah. I
mean, if anyone else wants to have a go at it as well.
Dave Jones: Don't let it don't let Oscar stop anyone else from
doing Yeah.
Adam Curry: Dave, where did you go? Do you go to the bathroom?
You like your
Dave Jones: I'm sharing my mic. Whoa, okay.
Adam Curry: I'm trying to figure out what's going on. It looks it
looks like
Dave Jones: me and Nick are doing like, like live? Yeah,
like live at Dolby. I'm Kenny Rogers and he's Dolly Parton.
Dolby Das. I just took the liberty to minute named myself
as Kenny Rogers as the guy so Dobby
Adam Curry: dasa is in the in the boardroom. He says he's
going to come up is it 2514? Is that the room number 25.
Kyrin Down: I'm actually right next to a bed so if he wants to
lounge next to it. The mic is set up so you can
Adam Curry: take a picture somebody take a picture. We need
this for posterity sake.
Dave Jones: Yeah. WDS knock on the door. It will let you let
you into Stephens room that we barely know.
Adam Curry: So let me toss it back to chyron because you came
in Now You didn't come in from Australia. You came in from
somewhere else, didn't you?
Nick: Yeah,
Kyrin Down: I came in from Brazil. So I had three flights
to get so 20 hours in the air was what was going on in Brazil.
Everything. That's where that's where the whole the cool stuffs
happening. It's actually just much warmer than going in
Australia.
Adam Curry: That goes without you guys. I haven't like, like,
unprecedented snow somewhere in Australia. I heard. Yeah,
Kyrin Down: that that would make sense. Because Brisbane is
freezing at the moment. And yeah, it's I'm still waiting for
all this global warming.
Adam Curry: It's kind of funny because I think Krypton lives in
Brisbane and he didn't mention that it was freezing cold.
Kyrin Down: Yeah, he's upon there. So
Adam Curry: that's prisoner of Mother England, everybody.
Kyrin Down: So the other cool thing with here is just all the
unexpected people so last night those Eric peepee Oh, nice. I
met up with TJ door full so he showed me around I met a whole
bunch of the duffles got to see the mega church the lifepoint
you know that's their
Adam Curry: church. Yeah, fantastic. Oh, this is I'm I'm
like jealous now. Yeah,
Kyrin Down: some place to be. Yeah, well
Dave Jones: did. See. Who else do we meet? Roy was Jersey
horror of course there. Yeah. Dirty jersey. Horror is like 12
feet tall.
Adam Curry: I know. No, I've met him. I met him. I've met him
before he is he's a big dude for sure. And he was
Dave Jones: like, he was like Hey, have you met so and so I'm
like no, I haven't seen them and he's like I'll go get them and
he like they don't have when dirty Jersey horror wants to
bring you somewhere you don't have a choice?
Adam Curry: No, no, you're just going oh, let me check. You're
going let me see what's going on on the stage here
Dave Jones: bringing people to me or
Adam Curry: lingo What are they doing here? But it was really
nice to talk to people and excitement Alicia Stockman who's
on stage I don't know and she has the most Nashville outfit
outfit you can imagine she's got no the cut off cut off jeans
with white boots.
Dave Jones: Does she ever had that when she No
Adam Curry: she doesn't she should who's on stage though
who's just talking to her here in the same row? Right we got
fountain wave is that is that Costello also been Maxine canto
about Bitcoin coming up next. It's an epic epic show. Epic
weekend. So this is great. Joining us almost like being
there to wrap up for a few minutes here. Yeah, go ahead,
Dave. So that's like
Dave Jones: to know 28 That's 23 floors down from where we are
now our 2021 floors down for where we are at now, but I like
faking like we're right there in the room with them. That's a
nice I gotta
Adam Curry: tell you in 1997 Molson ice beer was my client
that was on ramp for camping new ideas. And they had a promotion
called the polar the polar ice beach party. And they did a big
promotion, a national promotion. And we took 100 Prize winners to
the North Pole. And there was a live concert with Metallica
hole, which at the time was Courtney Love was the other band
Veruca Salt and and forgot about that band? Yeah. And so we we
cyber cast that live. And the way that worked back in those
days is we had we called the roadblocks. And we had this this
big flightcase. And it had 24 modems in it. And we had an
identical flightcase back at the office in New York. And so we
were able to get I think we got about 18 phone lines, we weren't
able to get 24 and we multiplex them through this box.
Dave Jones: Were these ISDN? No, it
Adam Curry: was just it was just regular phone lines. It was
Potts and but we had all these modems. So each modem had, you
know, supposedly 56k. And we just multiplex them, and then we
do D mux them on the other end. And so we were able to send
video and audio from the North Pole. And now I'm looking at,
you know, I just walk into my office and my studio I sit down,
I flip up clean feed, you know, I flip up the fountain, fountain
data fan page with the with the band. I mean, it's amazing how
much we can do. I mean, it's I'm just want to stop for a second
and think how awesome that really is.
Dave Jones: Yeah, it's it's totally written like we're the
fount? If so. Did you did you put that page together
specifically Oscar for specifically for the film live
page specifically for this event? Or is that the same page
that you've been running for, like Jupiter and all that stuff?
Oscar Merry: Yeah, we've been testing that live page for maybe
like, three or four months. But we haven't really kind of pushed
it too widely, because there's still a few things that we need
to get right with it. One of the things that yeah, we want to do
is also show like the live chat using nosto. But it's just been
quite a lot of work to get that all working. But yeah, we've
been testing it with Chris from Jupiter broadcasting. And I
think that these kinds of live concerts so
Adam Curry: so if so Oscar tomorrow at I think two o'clock,
I'm doing boosted Graham ball live, and I'm going to be
streaming video. Will that also be able to go into this live
page? Yeah,
Oscar Merry: that should work. The only thing to be aware of is
the chat is powered by noster. You can just create the noster
live chat directly from the fountain live page. So yeah, if
you want to turn that on, you can or you can just use it
without the live page and it will support it now.
Adam Curry: Now now will but will my video who's routing my
video into this page? Is that going through the Costello?
Industries? I don't know whether because they're getting my M
three u eight, video feed or whatever it is.
Dave Jones: Where's the like? Is that a separate RSS feed that
you put together?
Adam Curry: No, I'm just I was just gonna use the So Julian and
Jim. They just said we just need your your M was at the m mu
three, eight or something. Whatever it is, whatever comes
up the cloud Cloudflare.
Dave Jones: They're just going to put your video stream in the
bands that Bitcoin fee. I guess what it sounds like? Yeah, I
hope so.
Oscar Merry: Yeah, that makes sense. And that's, that's
delivered us with RSS blue is taking all of that. So all of
the feeds for the event.
Adam Curry: So I have no idea how splits will work but
something else something WDS
Dave Jones: was doing it by hand last night. I mean, like as new
press as his phone out. And as new people came up on the stage.
He was like, oh, wait a minute. You just tapped it on his phone.
I was like, Are you doing it by hand? He's like, Yeah, that's
what we're gonna do it. I was like, Well, I love it. I
Adam Curry: love it. I love this. So awesome. It's amazing.
The things that we're doing here. I mean, it really is
Dave Jones: funny that it takes a second to figure that out.
Like you ask a simple question. Like, where's the video coming
from? Yeah, and like there's so many parts to this. You're like,
wait, I'm not sure. Where is it coming from? Like,
Unknown: I don't know if I know. Yeah, exactly. So
Dave Jones: we've never had you on the show. Exactly. to like
tell it. Yeah, tell. Tell us what what you do if um,
Nick: yeah, so I guess you know, with Oscar being more on the
tech aside, I'm really more on like growth, marketing and also
increasingly product as well. I mean, there's only three of us
working full time on fountain. So we all do a lot of different
things. So a typical day for me is like, yeah, working on new
designs in figma, like thinking about how we can improve the UX
like added new features, beta testing, you know, working with
podcasters, working with artists, and also thinking about
Yeah, how we can drive new user acquisition and get the app out
to more people. So it's a real mix, to be honest.
Adam Curry: Yeah, no, I really love because I'm pretty sure
you're responsible for the weekly top 10 shows and top 10
episodes is such a joy to see that. But mainly because I made
it three times. Pretty awesome. But I know that you've also
worked with, with Jimmy Pruitt on living up in a down world,
and you've I think you've talked with him and, you know, it's
it's, uh, people don't really talk enough about the customer
service part. That happens both on the podcast hosting side, but
also certainly with with what fountain is doing, it's to be
commended. It really is. Because, you know, he's, he's a
newbie to all this. And he's like, wow, you know, there's
these guys out there. And Nick is really helpful and trying to
get stuff done. And it's a really appreciate you, man,
James, I'm standing in yours. Sorry about that.
Nick: I think a lot of podcasters get started and they
blame their podcasts. And they don't talk to anyone, they don't
really reading the materials, because it all feels very, like
very technical. There's a lot to learn. And all it really takes
is a simple conversation with someone just to understand,
like, you know, what are you trying to do? Like, what are you
doing currently? Like, how what are you trying to get from
podcasting? 2.0 Because I think everyone wants different things.
Some people come more from a monetization standpoint, some
people come from, you know, the point of fan engagement,
audience engagement. And some people are just curious about
the technology. Some people just come because someone told them
to come. And so that really takes a bit of digging them to
understand that. Okay, cool. Well, let's, let's just explain
it, you know, get you set up. And yeah, conversation
definitely goes a long way.
Dave Jones: What's the there's the third person at fountain?
Who's number three.
Oscar Merry: So Tom is the other developer that works on the app.
Okay, with me. So yeah, we split out the tech side is
Dave Jones: it seems like that, you know, a bunch of so many
podcast apps are run by just like one one person. And it
feels like, I'm curious. When you make the move from one to
two people, it feels like that's probably I'm just imagining
that's such a relief to be able to split some of the workload,
because if it's just like people, some that developers
like Franco and Marco and these guys that are just it's purely
them, like having to handle to handle support emails, and to
handle the tech and do the marketing. It just seems like
it's just like, the day that you're able to offload some of
that seems like it would be a joy.
Oscar Merry: Yeah, exactly. And I think what's even more
difficult, and because, obviously, fountain is the
mobile app, which is a podcast that but it's also the back end,
and it's also the payments and the wallet as well. And, you
know, this kind of goes back to what we've been talking about
over the past few weeks and months with making it easier for
app developers like we as fountain don't want to have to
manage all of the payments and you know, manage, you know, the
user balances in the wallets, which we currently do, you know,
it's an incredible amount of work. And so the more that we
can offload that to these providers, the easier it gets.
So, yeah, it's a lot of work. And I also think, this event
bands that Bitcoin has really highlighted for me how, you
know, one app or product or company cannot do everything,
like a good level, cannot do everything. Well, we need more
developers, we need more apps, kind of like targeting a real
niche. And then we can all kind of work together on our own,
like parts of the experience. Amen. Great example of that. So
yeah, hopefully, we start to bring in, you know, more
developers and have new experiences, because yet, you
know, we're competing against Spotify, Apple podcasts, you
know, no, one single app is going to be able to do that. But
all of us together, each kind of splitting things up and creating
different flavors of like, you know, podcasts listening
experience, music listening experience. I think that's where
we have real power and it's something that actually they
can't replicate because they're just one company. Well,
Adam Curry: and let me let me just say that I don't really see
pod Testing 2.0 Being in competition with Spotify and
with with Apple, I mean, I see my op three stats, I see what
apps are being used the most, or the first significant amount,
and it's really down to each podcaster you know, each each
podcaster. And I promote this on no agenda, every single show, I
said, you know, Hey, you don't want to be using the legacy apps
use the new stuff. And particularly, I think, one of
right now, one of our main unique propositions is the live
stuff. I mean, this is what's happening here is amazing. And
it's and it also shows that we're much more than just a
bunch of people who are building apps. I mean, it's a true
community effort, you know, between the 2.0 native guys on
the hosting side, and and and the apps I mean, it this there's
there's really something going on here and people gravitate
towards that. Man
Dave Jones: who who has just showed up?
Adam Curry: Hey, Adam, hey, Dobie Das. Do you have your
Swiss Army splits knife with you?
Dovydas: I do have a similar Yeah, I'm just pulling in for a
few minutes. Yeah, say hi to everyone.
Adam Curry: Hey, brother. Thank you for what you're doing. I
hear you're doing the splits live on the fly from your phone.
Yeah,
Dovydas: absolutely. Yeah, I just want to thank everyone who
has been boosting and even zapping Also, thanks to all the
people who are yeah monitoring the audio quality like I have
then messages from Mike Newman like every day about your audio
and then he sends like 50,000 SATs
Dave Jones: Yeah, that's that's the that's the Oreo. You know,
you get the cream on top. You You You You say your sound sucks
but here's 50,000 says Now
Adam Curry: what what wallets? Is everybody using Adobe? Does
everybody have fountain wallets? Are there still some Aldi
wallets out there? What are people who say,
Dovydas: I'll be wallets and fountain wallets? Yeah, that's I
think all of them are either one of these. I haven't seen many
artists who use their own notes. But yeah, we've had some
problems yesterday with all be but that has been all fixed. And
yeah, it's been very smooth. Awesome.
Adam Curry: Brother moss is out tomorrow. I'm going live at two
o'clock with booster Graham ball with video. And I don't know, I
may be playing songs. I don't know if you can. how that's
gonna work with the splits. I mean, I'll be using my regular
feed and I'll be using the split kit to broadcast Yeah,
Dovydas: yeah, I don't know you can also do is we have this
weird thing in house where people can who are attending in
person, they can go to this page, where we listen to for
wallets, witches. And basically they can use any lightning
wallet to send offsets to this one wallet, which then forwards
the stats to all the splits. Like a split forwarding service
by it's not a pure, you know, split solution. But that's the
best we can do for people who don't have the podcast apps
installed.
Adam Curry: Sure What page is that?
Dovydas: So for example, for today, we are using Lightning
dot phantom power music.io. So long URL,
Dave Jones: is that is that what was his that was what was linked
on the page? That's correct. Yeah. divinyl lounge last. Yes.
Dovydas: So for yesterday, it was paid.to insert.io. Yeah,
which is kind of like identical service. So what happens there
is on that page, we listen for a live while switching. And then
we allow the people boosting to enter their name message. We
generate a lightning invoice. And we also embed the split
information on the all the backend API. And then once we
receive the SATs, we just forward them to all the splitter
Sapiens
Adam Curry: Oh, this is interesting. Okay, so I'm on
this page now. And now I'm going to pay this invoice by just
scanning the QR code let me just see how that works. Is
Dave Jones: this Is that similar to what Steven B was doing? Like
in the original split kit, where you pop up a QR code sounds
payment
Adam Curry: that sounds like an actual
Dave Jones: payment for I'm
Dovydas: not sure I think for the QR codes that Steven was
using I think they were just redirecting to the website okay,
yeah, teachers you know Connect are all be wallet because for
this we need to use a wallet where we listen for the incoming
payments
Dave Jones: and once you for you you realize that we right yeah,
okay.
Adam Curry: It's not a pure Yep. So I just I just sent 10,000
SATs through the bands at Bitcoin with a lightning invoice
Dovydas: you go to Live dot phantom power music.io Hopefully
it's that's going to show up there. Okay, let
Dave Jones: me see. Showing up last night. I did it from the
screen last night I show that pretty quick music.
Adam Curry: So we have like, yeah, okay, yes, switching
Dovydas: to 15 seconds to the auto view where the individual
boosts are shown. Yep, I can see Adam curry has boosting from
Texas to Nashville. Wow. Thank you
Adam Curry: picked the wrong weekend to give up weed man.
Dave Jones: It was awesome last night like WDS had a had like a
projector setup with a big screen show in the booths and
zaps as they were coming in, like during the show. And you
could just like stop by and grab a QR code and pay it it was it
was so rad. Nice.
Adam Curry: Okay, so this live dot phantom power music.io
That's that doesn't have any of the content. It just has the
boosts and the zaps that it?
Dovydas: Yep. Okay, so just yeah, it's just the boost board.
Yeah, I want to thank Eric Pepe who helped me to, you know, oh,
Adam Curry: crap. Hold on a second. So over at
fountain.fm/live/weird URL, my booth just showed up there in
the chat.
Dovydas: Yes. Because fountain is as sexy
Adam Curry: that is so sexy.
Dave Jones: That's shooting. So that's that's just the standard
split. Splitting that you do when you you've converted into a
lightning comment. Right. Wow. Wow. Okay. association between
that is for that shows that come now the TV record? Yeah, that's
going to be the biggest challenge with both 11. This
Adam Curry: is put him on the mic, Dave?
Oscar Merry: Oh, yeah, sorry. I think this is it's good that we
have this opportunity to refresh everything. Because if you take
this event that's happening now, obviously, we are taking a slit
in order to display those booths on our live stream page. But it
doesn't really scale. Because if, you know, podcast guru
wanted to also have a live stream page with all of the
booths. It doesn't make sense. Okay, give podcast guru, is that
right? And so I think, as we go through this exercise to try and
get Bolt 11 payments working. And it's a great opportunity to
also figure this out, like how can we publish these payments in
a way that any app can just go and find them all and build them
into their own version of, you know, the boost will? Because
also, again, that's like, you know, we have one way of
displaying it. David Ross has another way of displaying it on
the fans about music, you know, maybe someone else could come in
and create an even more fun way to display all of the booths
that's like, encourages people to booths more so yeah, I think
we should also think about that. The
Dave Jones: first thing that pops into my head obviously is
like an out of band payment proof. You know, like we've been
talking about forever. Like, isn't
Adam Curry: that what Alex gates Alex Gates has already developed
that five years ago?
Dave Jones: Yeah, that's the gap. Like, you know, we you
embed take that JpT? And that, which, to me, seems like the
right starting point for that, because you can you can prove
the payment, what's the GPT like this JSON payment token? It's
like the spec for it is on the namespace, right? And so like
you, it's basically a hash of the payment, so you can prove
the payment. But then you could also put, you could put the TLV
information in there, God, and then you could publish it
anywhere. You could publish it to noster activity, pub,
whatever, is that once it's out there, everybody can just pull
from it. And you don't have to get a split. I mean, you could
get us give us split. If you like, somebody, you don't, you
wouldn't have to. This is
Adam Curry: so amazing. I mean, I'm even hearing the artists on
stage talking about boosts and zaps. And, and unfortunately, I
heard someone say we're playing for tips. Okay. Yeah.
Unknown: Trigger triggering it is
Adam Curry: what it is. But this is this is great. This is and
congratulations to the Costello's for putting all this
together and at the at the Embassy Suites because I mean
that that was a real challenge for them to get this all going.
I think it's really great. It
Dave Jones: was a bunch of gear there was there's like a ton of
gear and stuff down there. I mean, like it was not a it's not
a small setup now that they have I mean all kinds of sound and
audio and the sound and video rigs and he has a big deal. I
don't know that was asking a gossiper last night I'm like, is
anybody who's here actually going to the Bitcoin Conference?
I
Adam Curry: mean, why bother? Why
Dovydas: bother very few people? Yeah. Yeah.
Dave Jones: I mean, other than Oscars talk, I guess. Or you
could be talking with what was your title? He's your talk with
it
Adam Curry: was Sam from waveline with
Oscar Merry: Sam from wavelike Jim Costello as
Dave Jones: well. When you're talking to just get used to my
music, we're talking
Oscar Merry: about me Music and value for value. Yeah,
Adam Curry: make sure you talk about the booster grams, man. I
don't want to hear too much zap talk.
Oscar Merry: No, yeah, I definitely will add them don't
right. I mean, yeah, it's, I think it's gonna be a good
opportunity to get the word out there about podcasting 2.0 And,
you know, music, publishing via RSS feeds, because I don't think
people most people don't know this is a thing. And what's been
amazing about this event as well is so many people from
Nashville, especially yesterday just turned off and we're like,
Hey, I heard about this event. I don't really know what Bitcoin
is. Really good. I have no idea what podcasting 2.0 is, or any
of this and they've been really excited about do they have an
opportunity just to get the word
Adam Curry: out in the venue? Because I can't see it on the
video in the venue. They have screens with the booths and zaps
coming through. Yes.
Oscar Merry: So we have two massive screens, one with the
phantom power boost wall and one with the fountain. Re live page.
So yeah, it looks pretty cool.
Dave Jones: Like, like local normies showed up? Yes. Like
from Nashville. Like what is this? Yeah. That's interesting.
Yeah, we saw Tim Kay was here. Oh, goodness. How's
Adam Curry: he doing?
Dave Jones: He say he's doing great. Yeah, he's looked like
he's in great spirits and was like, eager to jump back in and
start doing stuff. He's like, you know, yeah, he was he like,
went up to the top to like the rooftop bar thing there at the
vinyl lounge and like Tim, Kay and Reuters and they're talking
to each other. Hey.
Adam Curry: You hug and kiss Roy for me. Was he wearing his his
purple bath slippers and everything. The bathrobe on his
little golden crown and everything. No,
Dave Jones: no, he did not even have the gold chain running
through the chest hair. So I was disappointed. Now, like, it's
like classic ROI, like five minutes into it. He's like, he's
like, have you read this article? About? Liquid? No, no,
he's like, if you read this article about, like, tracing
what's going on in Bitcoin? I was like, no, he's like, we're
all effed. We're just really gave me this big, long of this,
like long article to read about how we're all Yeah, we're all
after their, you know, bit governments are taking over the
Bitcoin world and everything he is, I'm like, Okay, I'll go read
it.
Adam Curry: That's interesting. You know, there's a lot of talk
about I was listening to our buddy there to This Week in
Bitcoin, Chris. And, you know, he's not there. I think he's on
vacation with his family. And, you know, so President Trump
speaking tomorrow, is that still on? Is that are there any rumors
that he that he will or not show? I mean, does anyone know
what's
Dave Jones: going on? Yeah, as far as I know, is still on.
Yeah. Because
Adam Curry: the rumor is now these things in my experience
never come true. But the rumor is that he's gonna say, Well,
you know, maybe the US should have some bitcoin in his
reserves. Could you imagine if he actually said that?
Dave Jones: I mean, I don't know. What I've been seeing. You
know, this is just me misinterpreting what I'm saying.
But well, I would have missed the in the last really like,
since the assassination attempt is like, every time something
positive happens to with a Trump thing Bitcoin goes, goes up. And
then when it's negative, it goes down like they exist,
demonstrably tied together at this point
Adam Curry: that's exactly what I'm seeing too. I'm like,
assassination attempt Bitcoin go, Hey, didn't die, Bitcoin
goes up. Kamala Harris announces Bitcoin goes down. It's like
what is happening here? Yes.
Dave Jones: I don't know. Like, what is going to happen with
this thing tomorrow? I mean, like, I'm actually a little like
wig is tomorrow night. Is he?
Adam Curry: No, no, it's when I'm, I'm doing boosted Graham
ball. I'm competing with Trump. I'm going to be joining gonna
Dovydas: be very confused when Julie's send that email like
saying Adam is going to go head to head with Trump. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Who are you going to choose? Man? You tell me. Yeah.
Dave Jones: Like I'm a little. I'm a little wigged out about
it. I'm afraid there's going to be like black choppers and you
know, the whole thing here with a lot bounced security.
Adam Curry: Maybe. Maybe, maybe maybe Hey, Kira, and how's
everything going with the value for value stuff, ma'am?
Kyrin Down: Yeah, it's great. I've had a little bit of a break
for this frost.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Yeah. A while Yeah.
Kyrin Down: Yeah. A lot longer than that. It's just traveling
is fun, but also not amenable for easy podcasting. In terms of
just preparation and everything. Yeah, obviously like the setup
here is is fun, but it's you have to wing it. Dave make it
don't make it seem like I'm a fly by the moment. You know? I'm
booking hostels and last moment running across the world doing
stuff, but I'm pretty planned as well. So so it's honestly I'm
just taking a bit of a break after my mum passed away, but
two or three months I'm sorry to hear that brother. Just just
taking some time off and yep and enjoying the world. But it's
cool with the value for value stuff. It's I was I was telling
with Dave, I suppose I dabble more in the, in the ship coin or
a world of Ethereum and things like that. And I see people
trying to say, solve the same problem, which is, you know,
artists, creators have all sorts of struggling to have their own
platform to can connect with our audience to monetize to do all
of these things. And that they just struggle, they come up with
the wrong solution, which is, you know, we're gonna make NF TS
green, this new platform, let's do this. And it's, I see this
with the artist, especially musicians, for example, which
is, okay, well, we'll make NF T's which are art, and they're
trying to sell it like that, or no, we'll make it and this is
going to be like a CD. No, well, we'll attach it to a physical
product, so there'll be utility or something. And it's like,
the, the value for value is still the core concept in my
eyes and in my mind of, obviously, it's the there's the
monetary side of it, but it encapsulates all the other
problems they're having have not been able to connect with their
audience of feeling like they're talking into a void of just just
getting started and getting feedback finding a way to do
that. So I Yeah, even like all the technical stuff of custodial
water wallets, and you know, is lightning the way to do or will
use Bolt 11 and things like that. I feel like that's all
just the technical stuff that the it'll eventually get sorted
but value for value is still I still think that just a hugely
powerful concept which everyone Oh, we'll find out at some point
whether everyone uses it as a different matter but yeah, I
think I think it's still is still as applicable as I've when
I first heard you guys mentioning it in you know, three
years ago that well how it was so powerful. I'm
Adam Curry: still living on it, you know? It's the only it's the
only income I have is value for value now. It's it's definitely
not. Not all Satoshis Well, when
Kyrin Down: you get elected after beating Trump, I'm sure
you
Adam Curry: want to do tomorrow. Yeah, I'm gonna vote for me.
Right, me and
Dave Jones: me on camera talking all the way over here about he
still uses Satoshis dust dream. Oh, really? Like, I forget that
that dude even exists, man. They're still
Adam Curry: in there, man. That's I'm happy they are. It's
just like an
Dave Jones: like a non Dutch guy. I think who like just runs.
He just runs that thing in a telegram channel. He's like, he
just does not care.
Adam Curry: No, no, he does. Whilst the Dutch they do not
hear
Kyrin Down: any super responsive as well. It's like you weren't.
He's not promoting it or anything. But if I have any
support issues, I'll message and he'll get back within 30
minutes. Nice.
Adam Curry: Nice. I'll tell you why guys, why don't I play a
song from one of the big the bigger name on the other line
guys.
Oscar Merry: know we're going to another panel discussion at 2pm
but it's the other side of Nashville. Oh,
Adam Curry: yeah. No, I know. And traffic will be horrendous.
It's their
Dave Jones: it's their pre meeting with Trump. Yeah, before
the station.
Unknown: Dude read security check. Thanks.
Adam Curry: Thanks so much for all you've done for this thank
you for being there. Have a great conference have a lot of
fun and you know, take it easy in the traffic there Nashville.
Oscar Merry: Thank you, Adam. And yeah, thanks, guys. And for
anyone listening. Yeah, please do continue supporting the bands
at Bitcoin live stream. The artists you know, we were
watching it this morning and yesterday. They love seeing the
booths come in. So like these the stream from hour to hour and
support them.
Adam Curry: All right, Dave. I'm gonna oops. Who just who just
came in? That was probably a 10,000 boost. Let me see what
that was. That was yes. Pay tar. 10,000 chyron rules you says all
right. 10,000. Nice. I'm gonna play a song Dave. I'm gonna go
on with a song. Yeah, so Dolby dust you sticking around? Yeah.
Okay. Can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear ya. No problem. Yeah,
no problem. I
Dovydas: just wanted to ask, like, why is Claritin in the
bathroom?
Dave Jones: I mean, like, he made it. I don't get that. I
mean, me and Karen and Karen are sharing a room. I don't dig in
that deep to see why he's in the bathroom.
Adam Curry: All right, everybody. I'm gonna play a
song. Now. Let's take a breather. I know it's very
exciting. And this is Tony Salamone who is one of the
artists of the bands of Bitcoin painted here on podcasting 2.0
This is the cool summer
Unknown: no need to stay mister they say
man
burning up I got a fever goose I'm
gonna chill Kusama
Kusama
places with some ghost in my mouth is tasty sweet faces
God knows I'm burning God Kusum
Kusama?
Adam Curry: Yeah sound effects provided by Dred Scott
Unknown: nice and
Adam Curry: cool solar on your podcasting 2.0 weekly board
meeting
Dave Jones: that's a week in we know it's fun hearing that music
every week and then we like we get to see a live here which is
cool that's awesome that is Joe Joe Martin played last night at
the vinyl lounge see as Ainsley Joe JL
Dovydas: just lounge us oh man
Adam Curry: was that live as well? I missed that
Dovydas: yeah oh yeah but we are probably going to have a
recording that you can rewatch and boost
Adam Curry: now Dolby dasa you doing all the RSS for for this
extravaganza?
Dovydas: So yeah, I'm doing the RSS feeds both for bands at
Bitcoin and the vinyl lounge. Yeah,
Adam Curry: dude, I appreciate you so much. That's so awesome
that you fly in from from the UK as well.
Dovydas: Yeah, that's right. So yeah, I flew into Miami on
Tuesday evening and then to Nashville on Wednesday morning.
Dave Jones: Yes, somehow somehow Nick and Oscar got a direct
flight from London to Nashville.
Unknown: I mean, they're rich.
Adam Curry: It's that VC money as what it is rolling
Dave Jones: in dough.
Dovydas: They are, like so many stops to just get here.
Dave Jones: That's a lot. That's a lot of one day countless. I
wonder
Adam Curry: who's flying direct. That must be flights they put
in.
Dave Jones: She should have heard roll, he should have her
Royce flight path. I mean, he had like five different
layovers. He
Adam Curry: had to go to Abu Dhabi or something like that.
And Dubai from Tel Aviv Tel Aviv. Yeah.
Dave Jones: Yeah. I mean, he was telling me he was it was like,
20 something hours of flying or something like that. is
ridiculous. Holy
Adam Curry: cow. Yeah. So we got any, any podcasting 2.0 stuff to
talk about Dave?
Dovydas: Before you do, can I just say all thank you all and I
will be leaving because I have to put out fires if they're
gonna check. But yeah, I really appreciate all of you and for
all the boosting and for all the feedback. Yep. Keep that coming.
Adam Curry: No, thank you. Dobby Das. You are you're truly the
EMS, the EMS services for what's going on here.
Dovydas: I don't know what that means. But thank
Adam Curry: you. Emergency Medical Services paramedic.
Dovydas: I hate acronyms. Both. Yeah.
Adam Curry: All right. All right. See ya. Thanks, lb. Das
take care, brother. Thanks for that. We'll see. Let's see. So
after well, just you and chyron now, Dave. Yeah, Karen's in
Dave Jones: the bathroom. And guess
Adam Curry: he's muted himself. So I don't know what he was
doing in there. But
Kyrin Down: it was getting pretty loud.
Dave Jones: is like the this this room is killer though. Like
it's like guys get tightest. Have you ever.
Adam Curry: I've got the two pictures in the show notes. And
I also put them in the in the board meeting. Yeah, I think
Oscar took them.
Dave Jones: Okay. Yeah.
Adam Curry: I brought I brought up you guys look like clip. You
guys look like a bunch of nerds. By the way. I'm just saying. I
mean, you look real nerdy is awesome.
Dave Jones: Let me know. What did you expect? Right is George
Clooney?
Adam Curry: George Clooney? He's got nothing on you guys. You got
nothing. You guys. Alright, what's what clip do we have?
Dave Jones: It's so this was a this was a spy, though Spotify
as a bunch of tech earnings happened this week. You know,
Google? Yeah. All that kind of stuff. And it just called this
on? I guess it CNBC. Me where they were talking about a year,
Google's Google missed its targets. Oh, and the blame seems
to be coming from YouTube.
Adam Curry: YouTube. Miss big. I did read a headline somewhere
about that. Yeah. Yeah. And
Dave Jones: this. Now this is a, I didn't have time to edit this
clip. So we can like, but it's, it's fairly concise. And we can
kind of stop it wherever. I'll kind of guide that. But so this
was an interview with the guy talking about YouTube. And I
just thought this by his whole sort of his whole breakdown. Is
is valuable. Because I think like so if you look at what spot
what happened with Spotify, in their earnings, the thing that
stood out to me was that their subscriber their subscribers
grew 12% I think is the number and their revenues were up 14%.
And I think that's pretty a pretty clear indication that
advertising is not what is growing the pie there. That's
that's not what's driving the the revenue growth. It's as
subscriptions. And it seems to be the same thing. Based on what
happened this week. It seems to be the same thing with YouTube.
Because Youtube is, is missing on advertising. They need
subscribed, they these these companies need subscribers.
That's what's going to, that's what's going to really bring in
the money if the advertising is just not there. So let's we can
like look at what he has to say.
Unknown: Now as a result, for more on Google's digital ads
story, Mark Douglas is here. He's the CEO of mountain. Mark,
what jumps out to you welcome.
The Well, I think there's a big misconception about YouTube in
particular, which is that it's somehow connected TV. It's not,
you know, YouTube, the connected TV is long form content, major
networks, major shows, YouTube is short form content, podcast,
user generated content, and advertisers are not as
interested. And so I think every single quarter YouTube in
particular, is just shy of you know, maybe they'll hit maybe
they'll miss So it's actually not unexpected. It's just that's
going to continue to be the case. Probably forever.
So what do you make of the other declines? We've seen some of the
social media ad driven names, pins, snap, and so forth. I
mean, what are your conclusions from what alphabet has been told
us?
Yeah, well, that I think is entirely different. So I think
you cannot read what YouTube's performance is like, you know,
something like a precursor to downward pressure. I just think
ultimately, advertisers are not that huge fans, a YouTube
obviously has a big audience. But it has none of the qualities
that big advertisers want. They want brand safe content, it's
user generated content. They want long form shows where
people are dying to watch. And YouTube is kind of throwaway
content for the most part. And a lot of the ad dollars on
YouTube. One thing I think is also misunderstood. A lot of the
ad dollars actually go to the podcast is to embed ads in their
podcast, not and that money doesn't go to YouTube. So I
think there's nothing to read into any drop in stocks.
Actually, I've you know, I'll probably be buying today.
Adam Curry: I'm going to stop it here for a second. Yeah, that's
next. What's next is YouTube's going to say you're advertising
in your in your YouTube video. We want a piece of that you
watch. I
Dave Jones: think you're right, because I see that a lot. Like
there's there's two or three channels that I subscribe to on
YouTube. And those all have embedded stuff in them. I mean,
we already saw it with the RSS feed ingestion that they're
doing they they flat out said you cannot embed ads in these in
these shows. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Joe Rogan is on megaphone, right? Man, they
Dave Jones: cranked it up. Oh, the advertising.
Adam Curry: Oh my Lord. Because he had Jordan Peterson on I
wanted to hear that episode. So I went out to walk with Phoebe.
And I'm walking the first five minutes all ads. Now it was geo
targeted because he had an Austin racetrack Circuit of the
Americas specific ad and then he has this dog food ad. And I'm
like, Okay, and so actually Fast forward to, you know, hit the 30
seconds a couple times got into it. And then like, Okay, I'm
gonna, I'm gonna turn this down really low on the on the earbuds
and I'm not gonna tell Tina, that I'm listening to that as we
get into bed. And it's going to be because she's got a good
hearing, you know, and I usually have to crank and crank it down.
And I'm like, okay, good night, good night, and I'm listening.
And then, man, the same dog food ad comes back again. And I don't
think I heard anything. after that. I think it fell asleep. It
was like, Holy crap. After 15 minutes, they crank up the ads,
it's really destroyed. It's destructive for that kind of
program.
Dave Jones: You know, the thing this, what we've been seeing is
at our house Is YouTube, because we don't subscribe to YouTube.
And the the ad load and YouTube obviously is just off the chart.
Now. It's you. He actually he goes further in this clip and
talk some more about that, which is worth listening to. But we
we've been noticing that for a while. But what's happening now
is because because and this relates to something we heard
this week about Google, supposedly putting into Chrome
to hide source IP addresses. Yeah. The Apple private relay.
And as these as these IP addresses Get, get unreliable at
the source. I'm starting to get ads in different languages.
Yeah. Yeah, I'm seeing Spanish MC and Spanish language
advertising. I'm in Birmingham, Alabama.
Adam Curry: So that's almost Mexico. It's
Dave Jones: virtually Mexico. So like, I mean, there is no reason
to serve a Spanish language ad to me in Birmingham, Alabama. I
can promise you that. But it's the services are so confused and
unreliable. Yeah.
Adam Curry: I and I can also see that there's let me see if I
have it here. There's a there's an inventory issue. Because I'm
getting a lot of people reaching out directly to me even from
podcast one. Who wants to do let me see podcast one who wants to
advertise?
Dave Jones: Let me son. Oh, no agenda. Yeah,
Adam Curry: of course, means that you have not listened to
the show because clearly we don't take advertising. But
here's the last. He was the last note that I got from her. Let me
see. Can I get into this? Right. So this woman reaches out to me,
Lindsay. What did she say she initially said. Hi, there. Okay.
Hi there. I'm the developing Development Coordinator podcast.
On a full service podcast, production marketing advertising
network, wanting to juice myself and personally reach out as we'd
love to work with you on the no agenda podcast, our staff has
been submitting their favorite podcasts your show has come up
from multiple fans at our company. Well, I doubt that
because anyone who was a fan of no agenda, first of all isn't a
fan is a producer. And we don't take advertising and they know
it. So anyway, so I'm playing along with her. And I wind up,
she's like, Well, hey, could you tell me Amen said thanks for
reaching out. We've been Valley for value podcasts for almost 17
years, we take a lot of convincing for us to move to an
ad based model. And she comes back and she says, hey, you
know, can you tell me about your your total? Audience said, Yeah,
sure. And so I sent her a link.
Dave Jones: Yeah. Yeah. You tell you tell her, so just get the
saliva going? Yes.
Adam Curry: Yeah. No, I sent her a link to the OP three stats.
Yeah. And she says, I don't know if she looked at it. But she
says, Would you be able to share your average episodic downloads?
We offer emojis based on those numbers?
Dave Jones: I'm like, what's an emoji? I
Adam Curry: took me a second. That's minimum guarantee minimum
guarantee. Exactly. I'm already talking lingo with me. But I'm
seeing I'm seeing a number of these coming through. And I
think there's an inventory issue.
Dave Jones: You know, so tell me what you mean that I don't quite
follow?
Adam Curry: Well, they just don't have enough podcast with
with audience.
Dave Jones: Oh, they don't have enough to sell against Yeah,
they don't
Adam Curry: have enough inventory. There's just not
enough, you know, not enough AMS to complete the CPMs and by the
way, you know, YouTube, from what I understand if you if you
really want to look at their CPM, it's it's probably about $2
Dave Jones: It's based on it yeah, I
Adam Curry: mean, it's it's two to $4 CPM. And everybody is you
know, and I'm sure you saw the the gun guys who have you know,
like some guns and ammo YouTube show. And and YouTube just sent
him a note and said not not No more No more ads on on anything
with guns. You're done. Wow, ruin there. It is. See that?
Yeah. ruin their business overnight. Yeah,
Dave Jones: we know, you know, what you should do with Lindsey
is you should package so like, you say, okay, yeah, you can.
I'll sell you know, agenda, Mofaz podcast 2.0. And you have
to buy across all those shows. Yeah, you
Adam Curry: have to do a network buy over here. Otherwise, I
won't take your network
Dave Jones: by Yeah, and V for Van V for be with Karen down and
booster grand boys get package all the 2.0 shows together. But
what's
Adam Curry: also interesting is that, and this is this is a
relatively new development. But we have two producers of the no
agenda show. One is Linda Lou Potkin. And the other one is Eli
the coffee guy. And both of them started small businesses. So
Linda Liu as she calls herself, she is now a baron. So she's
supported us quite a bit. She so she sends in $200 every show, so
by the way, that's 800 bucks a month. And and she and all and
she just says you know, hey, for a job resume that really hits
the mark, go to Image makers Inc with a k.com and eat and she
always has an a fun note to go with it. And then Eli the coffee
guy has gigawatt coffee roasters.com. And he just made
up this ITM 20 code for 20% off your order, and every single
show. And we have no agreements, there's no there's no, in this.
This is not it's not really advertising. It's like, Hey,
here's my value and mention, you know, here's a plug for my
little business. And if you think about it, those two guys
alone, Belinda loop Hodgkin and Eli, the coffee guy. I mean,
that's like, it's like 20 grand a year. If I'm believable,
Dave Jones: by me, it's just a bigger version of what comic
strip blogger does on this show every single week. Exactly.
Exactly. It's basically an ad for another for other podcasts.
Yeah. And you
Adam Curry: know, and it's like, we're not obliged to do it. We
were happy to read it. We say well read your note, whatever
your note is, you know, now some some people sometimes will send
in like, ad copy, like we're not going to read that. We're not
going to read that. And you
know, as like I'm not I can still talk about my black rifle
coffee which I drink you know, like, I'm not going to stop
doing that. But they're they're all really happy they love it.
They love it. I guess the resume service you know, Linda Lou Pat
can she says I get tons of business from the no agenda
community so it's a very interesting way of how value for
value seems to be morphing into these really these are micro
businesses you know, these are one man shops literally. Well I
did. Yearly. Your little over modulated Dave. I don't know.
Yeah,
Dave Jones: I don't know what changed there. Emma. Emma. Hi,
Mikey. Yeah, you're
Adam Curry: hot mic and a bit. Yeah.
Dave Jones: Okay, let me let me back off. Back off. Let me
decelerate. Much better. Yeah. Is that better? All right.
Kyrin Down: Adam was the all the inventory coming from from so if
they've got too many ads to sell, but I used to have the
impression that the like the big companies aren't selling on
podcasts as in like, they're still brand safety. Yeah, I
Adam Curry: think that's the problem. I think the brand
safety issue is a big problem. I'm sure that, you know, there's
going to be companies that don't care that advertise on Rogen.
But and by the way, you know, who knows? Who knows how much is
really going on there. I mean, you know, Joe had had a great, a
great run there at Spotify with his GM, you know, his guaranteed
maximum, he was bringing in big bank, but I'm not so sure. You
know, if you look at now, Tucker Carlson, who basically has the
same format has, you know, a lot of the same guests and, you
know, in some cases his guests are a little more relevant. He's
even doing the same type of you know, big desk set up and it's a
complete replica really. And he's he's doing he's not doing
dynamically inserted as but he's got I don't know what's the Eric
Prince's you know, on unplugged phone or whatever. So you know,
that there's something happening, which goes beyond the
tradition, it's going outside of the agencies, I think it's going
outside of the traditional system. And the only thing that
really seems to come back to working well is people endorsing
a product or talking about it in in the program all this other
stuff, you know, the pure CPM type play by by the way, I also
got this was hilarious. I got a I got another solicitation,
which is what the and once I get two of these, I'm like, hold on
a second. Something's happening here. And it was from what's the
what's the new media? What's the new media Roundtable, the media
roundtable guys outfit? Called something house? It's the year
each
Dave Jones: year to my Dan Granger and yay,
Adam Curry: yeah. What's What's his what's the name of his shop?
Dave Jones: Oh, Oxford road.
Adam Curry: Oxford road? Yes. Hamas.
Dave Jones: That's his agency.
Adam Curry: Yeah. So here it is. The from Sharon. Sharon, Sharon.
Oh, wait a minute, wasn't she? I'm a senior media coordinator
at Oxford road and ad agency based in Los Angeles. We work
with clients like Shopify, indeed. ZocDoc and Oracle,
NetSuite. We're working on a plan for NetSuite would like to
clewd include no agenda? bolded. May you please direct me to your
sales? Rep. We would like to get confirmation on the rates below.
And, and I said, Hey, we are listener funded have been for 17
years. We don't take any ads. Funny enough. I was just on the
media roundtable Podcast with your CEO talking about it. God
bless. Nice. It's like so they there's an inventory issue.
That's obvious. And I think chyron I think you're right, I
think it does have to do with brand safety, and Garm and all
that stuff. That's, that's in play. And as we know, although
it's been called into question, there's really only you know,
320 350,000 podcasts that are truly active. Which, you know,
is our podcast index numbers? You know, and then, and then I
hear the, you know, hear the Spotify dude, talking about,
whoa, you have 6 million podcasts, we have a quarter
million videos, or what does that what does that mean? A
quarter million video episodes, a quarter million video shows,
you know, it's like it's all real. Oh, yes. And people really
like our app because we're lean back. Okay. All right, fine,
fine. It sounds like crap.
Kyrin Down: is slightly off topic. But one of the things
I've been noticing on YouTube so like, you know, the YouTube
algorithm just gets me sometimes and I go down the rabbit hole.
Yes. I've been watching like f1 TrackMania. Racing. It's a it's
like a game I have no, no, I have no intention of ever
playing or doing anything with but the I found the creator on
the and it's really interesting watching and noticing how often
they will not say certain words sometimes now. So for example,
he's interacting with his live stream, and I think it was the
word. Someone said something about, like, it might have even
been a book like Slaughterhouse Five or something. And he
wouldn't say the word slaughter because he'd get demonetized
Yeah, and um, I'm just wondering how often
Adam Curry: Oh, no, this is a big deal. I mean, I'm seeing it
even on on AIX. People won't write the word assassination
they do all Asterix Oh, suicide. You know, the big one is a PDF
file. That's another one that's out there. Yeah, there's PDF
files all over this place like what awaits? Oh, now I see what
you're talking about. Yeah. Our Asterix P E. I mean, they're
literally it is the literal censorship of speech. It's
amazing. What's what's going on? And then I, I'm just so happy
that we don't have to deal with that. Now.
Kyrin Down: Yeah, that that's that's one of the the huge core
concepts of visa vie that drags me in, it just completely takes
you away from the incentive system that that makes that
necessary in the sense of if you're, if you're wanting to,
you know, just earn a living through what you're creating.
Yeah, exactly.
Dave Jones: I wonder if just hearing you talk, it struck me,
I wonder if the OP three list of pile of shows like public IP,
three pages, I wonder if that is going to be be something that
advertisers are looking at. And they're going to start reaching
out to shows with, like, you see what I'm saying?
Adam Curry: Yeah, why not? If
Dave Jones: they're gonna start eyeballing that page? If they
don't, that's dumb, it's dumb of them not to honestly. because
how else would they find? I mean, how, how else is an
advertiser going? Why would two advertisers find you find no
agenda at the same time?
Adam Curry: I think that just they just blanket email the
list, you know, they got it from somewhere. They bought a list.
You know, it's from the RSS feeds. He thinks, oh,
guaranteed.
Dave Jones: What they did there. How would they know the download
numbers? See, that's that's the thing. No, no,
Adam Curry: I sent him the the OP three link. I said, here's
here's my numbers.
Dave Jones: But you didn't get a you did not get an email from
them. No, no, no facts.
Adam Curry: No, no, you're right. You're right. I didn't
what was fans within the company? Dave? Yes.
Dave Jones: Clearly, yes. Show.
Adam Curry: This clip this, CNBC. Yeah. Okay.
Unknown: So let me separate this, then you're not
necessarily saying this is a bearish development for Google.
But what's even more interesting is you're saying that we
shouldn't think of YouTube as this amazing destination for
ads. I, I find that almost shocking, because we know it's
the biggest streamer. Now, this is where all of us, myself
included, spend so much of our time, there's not more power in
that, although, I pay for the ad free version.
Yeah, so if you if you were not paying for the ad free version,
this is what would happen. Every time a video starts. You would
be hovering over your mouse to scale. And meaning every time
that commercial starts. You don't get that on Peacock, you
know, like your parent company. You don't get that anywhere
else. It's just not it's just a totally different experience.
People can ignore the eyeballs, but they don't love the ad
experience. So users don't love it. And honestly, the
advertisers don't love it either.
Alright, final question. We asked you to shift hats a little
bit because you're also quite a heavy stock picker as you eluded
you
Dave Jones: can kill it. That was pretty much it's like he's
right. You're just you're watching that countdown timer
and with your hover, hovering over the skip button. Oh, yeah.
So I mean, you want out of that adds so fast. It's in because
they even offer it like if you're on these the other
streaming services, like, you know, like Paramount plus, or
something like that. There's no There's no, there's no, there's
no skip. Yeah, so you're just you're just going for the ride.
But I mean, like the YouTube is, you know, we've talked about
this before that we just assume that YouTube is highly
profitable. On the you know, I'm not so sure that we can assume
that they don't actually report profit. They only report
revenue. Yeah,
Adam Curry: I mean, it's not like that video processing and
hosting is cheap for them. I mean, it's yeah, it's gonna be
cheaper than you know. A podcast host doing it. Right. But yeah,
I don't know Matt here let me see. On YouTube numbers don't
lie.
Dave Jones: Cuz because the other the other thing the
earnings that hit today, or last night, there was another big
streaming I was it was at Paramount. Can't remember one of
the other big streaming company said that they had like 30%
growth year over year, and they narrowed their their they
narrowed their profit Miss to only 384 million for the
quarter. Two. They they lost 300 million dollars for the quarter.
Like, you can't that's that just seems insurmountable.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, what's what's happening is you still
have the podcast Industrial Press, also known as PIP. And
the pips, they're still out there saying, oh, video got a
video gotta go movie, everyone's doing video, which is really
code for you got to go on YouTube because that's where
there's still money. And that's drying up. It's just not there.
Dave Jones: Well, Todd, you know, Todd warned about that.
Forever. He's like, you're because because Rob kept
challenging on his, like your day? Yeah, like, you're poor.
You're poopoo and video, and everybody knows you should do
video and Todd's like, hey, this, if you want to do video,
that's fine. But I'm not gonna push you into it. Because, you
know, a year from now, when you're losing your butt, I don't
want you to blame me. Yeah. And that's what's gonna happen.
Yeah.
Adam Curry: And even from Daniel X own words, he's like, Well,
you know, it's like, yeah. Or even I was hearing Sam talk
about it. Sam Sethi. It's like, because, you know, he believes
that his daughters are exactly what everyone does. So I said,
Well, this is what the kids are doing. And he says, well,
they'll start off on YouTube, but then they're cooking or
doing something else. And they're just listening. Yeah,
exactly. They're just listening.
Dave Jones: Here it was, it says revenue grew year over year at
NBC Universal's peacock streaming service, bringing
operating losses down to 348 million. Wow.
Adam Curry: Wow. Yeah, that's not good. Yeah. Good.
Dave Jones: And that's before that they before they secured
their 11 year deal with the NBA. Like, so there. That's not going
to be cheap.
Adam Curry: No, that's hundreds of millions. Oh, yeah. A lot of
money. The
Dave Jones: services are there, these services are never going
to be profitable.
Adam Curry: I don't think so. either. You know, if you look at
Paramount, although it's being challenged, you know, didn't
they just sell for like four or $5 billion for everything?
Dave Jones: For every like the whole kit and caboodle? Yeah. I
Adam Curry: mean, that's, that's that's not a lot of money. No,
Dave Jones: no, not for that. I did a I did a met up with a lady
from Zebedee last night. Oh, interesting. Yeah. And we're
gonna try to like put a call together. She she's like, she
said that, that they could definitely give us like a we
want to call like a rundown like an easy to use easy to, to
explain rundown for developers that want to use they beggins
Ebody? Wallace? Yes.
Adam Curry: They charge what they charge for it? Don't they
charge money?
Dave Jones: I don't think so. I thought I thought they charge
Adam Curry: money. If they don't charge money for it, bring it
on. If they'll just take a piece of the action. I
Dave Jones: think it's just a custodial wallet, like strike
and in cash app. And the rest of it?
Adam Curry: Well, if I look at their developer page, it's like,
you know, contact us if you want to use us, okay. She,
Dave Jones: she's supposed to be sending me an email. So I'm just
blown
Adam Curry: away. Because I found him basically takes I
think 4% processing, which is a lot. But you know, unless
you're, unless you're a premium or premium user. But that's, you
know, if they would give it away the way like Stripe does, and
just take a piece of the lightning fees or whatever. I
mean, I think that's the way to go. And make a lot of sense to
me. It
Dave Jones: was really cool to just see, like, I don't know, I
don't know if it hit you the same way, Karen, but it was
like, it was just really come into this event and seeing
everything like in action. See, seeing all this stuff happening,
all revolving around the podcasting 2.0 protocols that
this community has built. Like, I mean, all, all of us working
together over the last four years have you poured hours into
these protocols? And then and these products, and then to see
that sort of like, in real life up on a stage with somebody like
Joe Martin playing and booths rolling in behind me on a
screen. It's awesome. It was it really, I don't think you get
that opportunity in life very often to, to do something where
it makes, like this big broad impact. But in a way that's not
like it's not like launching a product or something like I
mean, like you, you get a real sense of giving something to, to
society where it's Like you've you just, you built a protocol,
not a product and you say, okay, here is this thing. You can just
have it and, and then you see something done with it that
makes a lot of people's lives better. Like that's not you
don't get those opportunities very much. And it was really
like, I don't know, had like a little bit of a moment last
night, just checking, just just seeing it all happening in
person.
Kyrin Down: Yeah, for me, it just, it's almost like a
confirmation that it's all real. So, yeah, the so many, so many
experiences nowadays are just through the internet or through
a screen or, I don't know, like a different medium whereas you
go there and then you meet like McIntosh from Satoshis plebs who
have been boosting in for you know, for the last two to three
years. Blueberries there and he's got as you know, crew of
how many mics set up in his Airbnb, like the ridiculous
thing going on, and then also being able to use it, you know,
I got out my phone, you know, I'm, I'm almost, I don't want to
say technologically illiterate, but when it comes to like
things, I don't have much patience for stuffing around.
That's why I've never gotten a node for example, but yet I
could just open up a phone. I send a boost in appears on the
screen instantly. And it's like, oh, yeah, it all of this is
real. And it actually works.
Adam Curry: I can tell you this is so much like the early days
of podcasting 1.0 When just people were showing up and just
you know, everyone's trying to figure it out together and there
was this coopetition is beautiful. It really is it's a
very it's for all you young boys out there. This is very unique.
Enjoy it.
Kyrin Down: I'm loving it. It's also the it reminds me that
there's there's almost a hidden underbelly, because for example,
for some of the shows, sometimes you'll you'll get a boost of
like, I don't know, 30,000 sets or something from someone you've
never heard of before. But they've probably been listening
for for two to three years. Yeah, and they just reach out
for that first time. So that's
Adam Curry: very typical of value for value being the I get,
I get those notes all the time, like hey, I've been listening
for three years. Time for me to pony up. Now and then and then
they come in and they and they make it good.
Dave Jones: Seeing everybody in real life has been cool to like
Eric peepee is like super tall with this long, flowing locks of
golden hair. Oh,
Adam Curry: real golden hair. Yeah.
Dave Jones: And you know, Karen is six foot one handsome. And
it's great credibly
Adam Curry: rapping he's strapping Dave dashing,
Dave Jones: dashing, yes, yes. You know, and, but you know,
Burberry, like he comes in and she starts showing us these
pictures of that room. There's like 30 mics in that room. It is
insane. It's complete insanity doing
Adam Curry: something like doing some kind of live thing from
their their own their own live show from the hotel room.
Dave Jones: They had they have an air b&b like 45 minutes away
from Nashville. It's like a it's like the podcasting dungeon or
whatever. And it is it's every no agenda stream show. Like it's
it's like balls with buds. Yeah. Boop. It's grown hits. They're
all in the songs.
Adam Curry: I love that
Dave Jones: over each other. Right.
Adam Curry: That's so great. Fantastic. Well, why don't we
thank some people let me we didn't get I don't think we got
a lot of booths here today. Let me see we got I can run down the
list. 777 from Dred Scott. He says when will pod verse support
live wallets switching up? Okay,
Dave Jones: getting back in the game, by the way he
Adam Curry: is he is yeah, he's gonna rebuild from the ground
up. Right. That's what I heard. Yeah, I love that. 10,000 SATs
from page or 10,000 as we heard before carbon rules. We got
6069 69 from a citizen boosting this insanity. Another triple
seven from Dred Scott bottle service to room 2514 Please.
26th 26th from chimp booths down under. We got 1948 from Sir
Brian of London. Hey, drubbed. Sudo RM dash r star Okay, don't
do that drip. No, no, I don't know what that was for. RG black
316 with 1111 Go podcasting. Oh, I see what was Dred Scott came
up with an RM dash r forward slash star there. I don't know
what these guys are doing. They're doing very, very evil
commands. We got a mini striper boost 7777 from Dred Scott Adam
loves people. No, I don't know. I don't really. Let me see and I
think that's, that's all we got. Yeah, I'm hit. I hit the
delimiter. So go for it. Dave What you got, though,
Dave Jones: I guess Pay pals. This did not have a chance to
print these out so I'm going to have to clumsily go through my
email and read them. Michael Goggin, I'm just gonna these are
all going to be together monthlies, then everything
together. Okay, good. Michael Goggin $5 Thank you Michael.
Charles current $5 Jorge Hernandez $5. Con glotzbach $5
Thank you, Colin. Christopher. Reamer $10 James Sullivan $10
Thank you, James. Jordan Dunnville $10 Michael Kimmerer
$5.33 Michael was the standout with it. Yeah. 33 Very nice.
Yeah. drips got $15 Thank you drip and Beats Music podcasts at
$17.77 with a note Oh,
Adam Curry: there you go. Afternoon
Dave Jones: boardroom from salty crayon. Good to hear the hot
namespace talk is live in Nashville. Dave, make sure you
get over to old butcher Texas slim and get in on the
Kettlemans feast.
Adam Curry: Oh yeah.
Dave Jones: Drink that you'll never drink that beef milkshake
ever again. five by five in the pipe. Go podcasting. That
Adam Curry: is indeed podcast. That's right. The Catalans feast
is in. In Nashville as well.
Dave Jones: I don't know what this is. Please explain.
Adam Curry: I love it when an angel walks over me. What was
that hold on a second. Did
Dave Jones: Angel get their wings? That was?
Adam Curry: That was Sir TJ the wrathful 7777. Such a pleasure
meeting everyone at the vinyl lounge last night. Hey, Adam.
Joe Martin did a shout out to you during his set and the whole
place went nuts. Thank you for your courage. Oh, that's nice.
Dave Jones: He did he he gave about a three minute talk about
how thankful he was that for you inventing podcasting and now
forbidden any podcasting? 2.00 It's very sweet.
Adam Curry: Oh my goodness. That's so kind. I love I love
Joe Martin because he sings with a with a southern drawl. But
he's British.
Dave Jones: Yeah, it's funny.
Adam Curry: Just Oh, let me thank Adam. Yeah,
Dave Jones: he he said that he played a song. True. I'm
struggling to remember the title. He played a song and he
said that the song what that song was inspired by something
that you said on booster Graham ball. Oh, about about one of his
songs. Oh, goodness.
Adam Curry: I needed I need to recording I need to find out
what he said. That's cool. Very cool. What was I gonna say there
was something that cattlemen faced, oh, yes, sir, Texas limb
has set up this, you know, this not for profit. Beef
initiative.com. And he's just been trying to get, you know,
connect ranchers directly to people who need food. And he
found that the first people who really understood the value
concept, were Bitcoiners. So he started getting Bitcoiners to
come out. And he's been doing these mini conferences. And the
Kettlemans feasts is we I think there's a small price and
entrance fee. But then they basically you sit at a table and
there's you know, it's just everyone gets a big piece of wax
paper and just plunked down piece of beef after beef, all
different kinds of cuts. They talked about what it is, it's
all made there. Right on right on premises. They got cooks and
chefs and all it's really, if you have time, it's really
advisable is awesome, awesome experience. Is that here in
Nashville? Yeah, it's in Nashville because he did it, you
know, in conjunction with the Bitcoin Conference. So
Dave Jones: okay, Karen, we may need to go check that to
Adam Curry: me, you will not be disappointed if you have time.
You won't be disappointed. It's something too, and it's all
going to be cool people. And just great beef.
Dave Jones: Nice. Okay. I love great bass.
Adam Curry: I've heard that about you.
Dave Jones: Booster grams, DJ w 1976. Sets. Thank you, you found
that nice says as a node runner slash payment router, I question
the efficiency of sending multiple small payments versus
one large payment, although the small amount that node runners
received does support the network? Is it inefficient? Or
is it part of the circular economy? Hmm.
Adam Curry: Well, I think the conversation I've seen on
podcasts index on social everyone is kind of an agreement
that for the next phase, or how will we do these payments that
it's great to track your per second or per minute value, but
to send it at a batch and five minutes seems to be the
consensus.
Dave Jones: I didn't realize this so many of the podcast apps
already did that.
Adam Curry: Well, I know podcast guru does. I don't know if which
other ones do it.
Dave Jones: Fountain does. Are you sure? Yes. The Oscar so
Oscar told me that they that they batch payments. Yeah, yeah.
Adam Curry: Well, yeah, it makes sense. It makes a lot of sense.
Dave Jones: Not 9048 from Sir Brandon. London to cast ematic
he says strike not going to go away because it's a big
corporation lol
Adam Curry: yeah, by the way have put pod ping his pod ping
system into the splits for 2.00 Nice so that he can test his his
magical illegal gateway and money transmitter gateway and
also he deserves it you know he's pod ping needs needs help
and we're happy to do that.
Dave Jones: He says like every service Google ever offered in
Job Don't worry when big corporate tech screws it up and
BTC fails to innovate hive will have it working.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Yeah and I take I take that with in all
seriousness, I certainly have Brian
Dave Jones: due to s ECIL SOC s so SOC SLC two fountain 4321
says engineering remote since 2016. This podcast gives me the
background conversations that I don't get any more at the office
CrowdStrike info was enlightening. Always shut down
my 1000 watt heater at night. Thanks for all the tech talk.
You're welcome. Oh, yeah, by Anba in the CrowdStrike you
know, the follow up on CrowdStrike is they said we did
not test the the updates that we pushed out because we tested
them back in March and they seemed fine.
Unknown: Yes, exactly.
Dave Jones: Oh, Karen from mere mortals podcast and Karen 1111.
A central Richard's the fountain he says tipping doesn't work as
an example because you're already being forced to pay. And
then you're being asked to give extra you would be like getting
through a paywall only to be hit with a V for V pitch and asked
again, at least as an Aussie this system seems bizarre.
Kyrin Down: Yeah, I can just is tipping here as bizarre. I was
telling Dave as well. Basically, I'm mentally doubling every the
price of everything I see here because the Aussie dollar is not
as strong so $1 Us is 150 Australian, but then I'm having
a basically bump that up to two because of just taxes and, and
tipping which is I don't know it. Yeah, it kind of feels like
I'm being I'm being shipped every time I pay. It's just
like, you're basically going on the road. I'm not paying what I
think I'm paying for you know, best
Dave Jones: so it's okay. And like that's it Karen That's the
American experience. Yes, yes. Yeah,
Adam Curry: it is. By the way Sam Sethi just came in from true
fans with 1000 SATs love hearing everyone in Nashville having a
great night chaps sent from the NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW
NEW NEW NEW NEW true fans wallet. Nice
Dave Jones: guy. He's
Adam Curry: got that up and running.
Dave Jones: Sam is the only one missing like he's like. Where's
Sam?
Unknown: I don't think should be here.
Dave Jones: He should. He should. And Steven b i miss
Steven B. Yeah, be here too.
Adam Curry: He's got a real job.
Kyrin Down: There's not enough wine here.
Dave Jones: Hey, I've got a real job. I made it Yeah, that's
true. Brown in London again 11,948 says this time to podcast
do Rue all the compute ever used to validate Bitcoin as part of
the security cost of break it today? At the compute used on
discarded AI models. All the computer used on discarded AI
models is just burned. Brian of London. Yeah,
Adam Curry: yeah, that it's going down. I was listening to
CNBC this morning in the car. And people like, no, that's the
investment guys. So and he's like, you know, maybe these
bigger models isn't better. And maybe it'd be better to have
small, very dedicated models. I mean, model collapse is coming.
That's obvious.
Dave Jones: In Facebook, like
Adam Curry: just released the huge lambda model, open source
right here and
Dave Jones: you could see almost, you can see almost Glee
in Zuckerbergs eyes when he released it knowing that every
time they do a big model release is going to screw everybody
Adam Curry: else. Yeah, I think it's a great strategy is going
to help them go bankrupt.
Dave Jones: Is it just me or does Zuckerberg seem less
autistic now than he used to be? Yes,
Adam Curry: I think it's because he's gotten into MMA. He's doing
tai chi or something. Yeah, I think he's calmed down a lot.
And he's Yeah, this def I agree. I see a difference, but also,
like typical for Silicon Valley. Those guys or whoever's, so it
was like, they were all kind of libertarian slash Republican.
Everyone was hanging out, iron Rand books and wearing Rolexes
and then Obama came into office. Oh, no, I was not who we are.
All right. And they all were super Democrats. And now you
know, Trump seems to be the guy is like, oh, yeah, he's badass.
You know? Yeah. Trump. Yeah. They don't care. They don't
care. They just they just float Whoever is the eggs, whoever is
gonna give them better. You know, whoever is going to
deregulate, I guess or give them, give them whatever works
for them or give them a moat. Yeah. And I think Trump plays
into that he's very smart to bring in JD Vance. Bringing the
Pay Pal mafia mafia through the backdoor. He knows he knows.
We'll see. Comic
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Adam Curry: Yeah, that's fun. I listened to that from time to
time.
Dave Jones: Not heard that show. Yeah. Now there's,
Adam Curry: there's a couple of a couple of good about
podcasting shows that have cropped up. Barry does one. You
know, of course you have Daniel J. Lewis and Dave Jackson.
Where's Dave Jackson going? By the way? Do you know where his
new gig is?
Dave Jones: I don't know. I don't know. I'm glad that. I'm
glad he's okay. So it looks like you had like a nasty fall. Yeah,
got beat up and stuff
Adam Curry: was you. You look on your phone, man. Yeah. Tell you
what, why don't we? Why don't we leave it at this. We'll have a
more regular board meeting for next week. And I'm sure you'll
have tales from from the experience there. And what are
you guys doing? The rest of the afternoon tonight?
Dave Jones: Don't know exactly. We
Kyrin Down: go motoring. Dave Sesto. Yeah, yeah, I
Dave Jones: think we're gonna try to go find a rock climbing
gym around here and do some bouldering
Adam Curry: really? Yeah.
Dave Jones: I do rock climbing three days a week. That's my
main exercise.
Adam Curry: You know, how could I not know this? You didn't know
Dave Jones: this? For about a year now.
Kyrin Down: I didn't know it.
Adam Curry: And Chiron you're, you're also a rock climber.
Kyrin Down: Oh, not really, but I'll do it. It's it's
Adam Curry: pretty fun. Interesting.
Dave Jones: Yeah. Yeah, do the DO I DO bouldering three times a
week and then do calisthenics for the rest of my that's my
exercise birth date.
Adam Curry: Dred Scott comes in says, with triple seven. The
contrast in the difference between Adams impersonation of
comics or Blogger and Dave's reads of comics for Blogger are
fun. Because I know what he really said, I'm coming through
blogger. I don't like this your IP app not work. See
Dave Jones: this? Because I can't do that voice because I
haven't earned the right to do that voice yet. That's gonna
take me another 10 years of college bloggers? Yes. All
Adam Curry: right. All right. I'm calling have a great time
there in Nashville, everybody. Make sure you I'm sorry, Karen.
Yeah, I
Kyrin Down: wanted to just leave you briefly with this dispelling
of the advertisers coming through RP three. And that's how
they're finding you. So here's an email I received three days
ago. And it says mere mortal was question mark from Jana Rose,
who has the email Bell Martin Nelson. sixty@gmail.com. Hey,
chyron and blank. They've just completely missed Juan's name is
Jana here. I'm a huge fan of your models, your show is a
daily source of inspiration for me daily. And then
unfortunately, like I'm not as big as Adam so we don't get the
you know, the advertising. The mg the GM get no minimum
guarantees. So instead we get our guests pitches and I have
Ganesh Venkata Mannan something like that. And who Oh, the
guests all sorts of amazing things. Yeah. And a new book out
so I'm Yeah, I don't think they found it found us through.
Adam Curry: I have so many of these guests pitches. It's
hilarious. I now they just send them to spam now, you know,
because they come in with different email addresses. You
can't filter them out. You know, it's and it's all like that. It
looks like you know, just a regular email at first like, oh,
Adams. Oh, and then the go to the bottom PR agency like, okay,
yeah. Thanks a lot. Thanks a lot for polluting my inbox.
Dave Jones: That need you know what I need for these things in
the future? I was I've absolutely got to get one of
these audio sigma things. I would have been the perfect
solution for this.
Adam Curry: Yeah, particularly the dual mic one.
Dave Jones: Yes. The the mic, pod Mobile POD mobile. Yeah,
Adam Curry: the pod mobile. I gotta tell you it's an it's an
amazing device. Protect Clearly the mean, just for making you
sound good on any kind of mic, the preamps he's got the D noise
or the noise gate. All that stuff in there. It's amazing. It
really is Fernando came to this country output. Yeah. came to
this country with 100 bucks in his pocket. Yeah,
Dave Jones: I'm totally bought one of these because before I
come to one of these events again,
Adam Curry: it's it's worth it. It's well worth it. He
Kyrin Down: was from Brazil was Adam.
Dave Jones: I, yes, Argentina is in prison. Now. I
Adam Curry: think he I think he's from Brazil. Okay, cool.
I'll ask him. And he's looking for a wife. Just say that
Dave Jones: you're really helping him out on this show.
Adam Curry: I'm doing anything I can for this guy. I love my
brother over there. Marian. Hey guys. Have a great time there.
We'll talk to you next week. All right. Thank you boardrooms See
you next time.
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