Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0 for August 2 2024, episode 187 pr Hi
Jack. We're early but hey, you know it's Friday. And if it's
Friday, that means it's time for the official board meeting of
podcasting. 2.0 everything that's happening in broadcasting
all over the globe, you don't need to go anywhere else. You
got to be right here we are, in fact, the only boardroom that
has no gavel or meeting notes. I'm Adam curry here in the heart
of the Texas Hill Country. And in Alabama, the man who can set
up a studio in your hotel room, say hello to my friend on the
other end, the one the only Mr. De Jones.
Dave Jones: Welcome to our first day of podcasting.
Adam Curry: First day of podcasting.
Dave Jones: Yeah, where we learn how to do a podcast. Oh, man,
Adam Curry: there's so many moving. There's so many moving
parts when it comes to doing the live stream and everything would
have been fine. We're not for we're doing this show the board
meeting an hour earlier. So I thought, well, I have a backup
stream. I'll just do that. And let's make sure to put the right
URL in there. Well, no. And make sure you have am set instead of
PM Well no. Although I have actually did that right after
the last board meeting when you are Nashville I set it up and so
it's been broadcasting the the incorrect time for a week.
Dave Jones: We should have some kind of monitoring service like
you know uptime monitoring for your API. Oh, I have a hearing
service that says this is hey, this new time you just put it
Adam Curry: broke. Are you sure that's right. This stream
doesn't seem to work. Are you sure that's right. Yeah,
wouldn't Oh, good. Spurlock I'll put another split for you for
that service.
Dave Jones: Yeah, like a sentence. That's part sanity,
sanity.
Adam Curry: Sanity service. PSS Exactly. Yeah, I should be
podcast monitoring service and we could call it PMS.
Dave Jones: Sorry. That would. That would. Yeah, that's great
marketing. No, no, no. So well.
Adam Curry: Apologies for getting everybody into the board
meeting earlier. Hello, board meeting. We see you there. My my
issue. Tina and I are flying up to Frisco, Texas. Today. We have
been invited to some kind of cool dinner with all kinds of
crazy people including Charlie Kirk. General Flynn. Neighbor,
neighbor, Laura Logan. Oh, Lord. Oh yeah. Oh lord is right. To be
a hootenanny. We're like you know as like, we actually can't
turn this down we've got to go it's just too funny. So I have
to
Dave Jones: go you have to go what's one of those things you
gotta go to just because like you need to be able to say that
you went like
Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly. Apparently this 500 People there
so I have no idea I mean, there's someone bought a table
our friends it's like oh, you should should join us. And while
there you get us to show material Exactly. So I'm flying
up myself. We got instructor and bringing in the the Cirrus G six
turbo with parachute I always have to add with parachutes So
Tina feels better about it. She hates throwing in these things.
Dave Jones: She hate flying period.
Unknown: I love it.
Dave Jones: I mean 100% hate it I just do not like anything
about flying I never have good I mean like it just makes me I
don't know I don't like the I don't like the experience of of
setting it up where you're where you're like the boarding the
ticketing I don't that cancel the waiting if you're gonna get
delayed or
Adam Curry: no i don't i don't like in fact if I can fly direct
within the United States I will I'd rather flight not fly then
then have to transfer somewhere and if it's under 700 Miles I'll
fly myself because it just faster it's just faster. Now you
just I mean the airport is five minutes from our house the way
this flight school is set up I'm technically a student which I am
and so I you know 65 bucks an hour for the instructor and and
he does the radio up in that busy area. Because I don't you
know, if you don't practice enough and you're up in the
Dallas area and you go I'm on the radio immediately he's like
okay, why don't you fly 30 minutes that way we'll talk to
you later.
Dave Jones: If you're not like them that you're like the soup
guy from Seinfeld or with
Adam Curry: no routing for you know vectors for you.
Dave Jones: You Paul's you're toast.
Adam Curry: I want to thank you Dave for giving me some good
advice, which is you advise me on a replacement laptop for the
for the studio machine as you know I had that horrible boy Oh,
everything blew up. Everything crashed. Everything's all toast
and gone and no good.
Dave Jones: And you get the one that that I recommended. Yes, I
Adam Curry: got the ThinkPad Lenovo ThinkPad G three l 13. I
got the lighter one, the, the one that was lighter,
Dave Jones: that we enter in light weight light weight was
yeah, 2.4
Adam Curry: pounds or whatever. Now what I've not done is I
really was on the fence, like, should I clone my studio drive
and then clone it to that and like, you know? Because you
said, Well, it'd be easy. You just have to load the drivers
from a USB for the network. And then it all pops up. I'm like,
No, I don't think so. But
Dave Jones: you already see okay. You already recently wiped
and start this thing. You started from scratch, like just
a couple of weeks ago. Yeah. Right. So this is a relatively
clean dry. Yeah. Now it's a recent build is what I'm saying.
There's not a bunch of crap where I didn't like five years
of bloat on it. No, but this is a clean clone, man, I'm
Adam Curry: afraid and also there's one other thing. Just
afraid Dave I'm afraid there's one other thing is that the
studio machine has let me see the studio machine has a long
way to go up to this PC has a 256 gigabyte drive
Dave Jones: Okay, the one you're cloning from
Adam Curry: Yeah, and the one I'm cloning to has a terabyte
but then there's no problem. No problem but then you just you
doesn't show up as an extra drive instead of giving you all
that extra free space. No,
Dave Jones: no. Okay, so you I mean, your your method here is
download Clonezilla Yeah, and I got put it on a boot. Yeah, put
it on USB drive with Rufus. Yeah. Then get you then get a
Rufus
Adam Curry: and Chaka Khan.
Dave Jones: Yes. Rufus Wainwright is the last name of
the Rufus boot thing that nobody knows. If you boot it with
Rufus, then or excuse me, you attach an external drive. Yeah,
sort of like external USB drive. Boot it with boot with
Clonezilla. Yeah, doing it do a device to image clone. Yeah,
pointing it at the at the your external drive that you plugged
in, yes. And then save it as an image file, go to the new
machine, boot it with with Clonezilla. Choose Image to
device, then pick it out, and it'll clone straight to your
straight to that new drive. Then when you boot into Windows, what
you'll see is a partition on windows that does not fill the
entire drive. So what you'll do is you go into Disk Management
and right click on that partition and say expand and
it'll fill up the whole drive.
Adam Curry: Oh, so scary. So what gears? I'm scared. Yes, I'm
traumatized. Yes. Correct. You're
Dave Jones: scared of what you're scared of is that if you
Clonezilla to this new machine, it's going to get you out of the
factory install of this new machine in such a way that
you're not going to be able to get back to anything for that
user, or that weird
Adam Curry: things are going to happen because it has all these
bells and whistles that it's expecting to load. I don't know.
So, so the question is, will the Dell drivers work on the Lenovo
out of the box? Or will I have to go and then download because
I went to the download site for the Lenovo drivers and says this
is out of date. This is unsupported, this is no good.
You're a loser, loser, loser loser. And it's freaked me out.
Dave Jones: You're the most some of the drivers will work most of
them will not. And most likely the network driver will not
work. So you'll go before you start this process or from a
different machine, you'll doubt go to the download page from
Lenovo for the for the drivers for that machine, the new one,
download the network card drivers, stick it on the stick
it on the Clonezilla flash drive. And then when you boot
when you boot up the image machine on the on the Lenovo
install, the first thing you do is install those network drivers
you'll get network running immediately. Then you'll go to
that then you go to support that will never come on that machine
and install it and let it just auto install all the
Adam Curry: other drivers it'll recognize and just start doing
that.
Dave Jones: If you go to it in Chrome, it'll it'll prompt you
to install a little like a little stub app that will that
will give an infinite it's like a
Adam Curry: you said stub and immediately I got chills up my
spine. It's
Dave Jones: like prompts us is the Lenovo service bridge. Okay,
let's be you do that and in order to texting machine says
here here's
Adam Curry: here's all your drivers. So Chrome Bing edge
Dave Jones: no not edge Chrome for some reason the Lenovo
support that will never service bridge will not install. So
notch ray
Adam Curry: will either not brave it has to be no, no this
See, these are things I wouldn't it's not in your instruction
manual.
Dave Jones: Lenovo does not understand that anybody uses
anything but Chrome.
Adam Curry: Yeah. All right. Well, thank you, I appreciate
it. Maybe when we get back from Frisco, I'll give it a shot.
Dave Jones: The The other thing, the other thing to do is before
you start Clonezilla, the Lenovo to the to the, to the external
drive as well. Oh, just in case, just in case and you can revert.
So like, when you click Clonezilla a big thing, it'll
only a big drive, it'll only use the space. If you tell it to
there's an option in this A to only use that used space. So you
may click clone a terabyte drive, but the file in the image
file it produces may only be you know 100 gigs. Right? Right.
Right. Okay.
Unknown: Thank you. Yes, please
Dave Jones: don't do this until you get back. Well,
Adam Curry: and the whole point of me asking you is so that if I
run into trouble I know I can ask you for help. Because you
know, I just want to know if I deal with these every single
day.
Dave Jones: A client we clone hundreds of these. Yeah, I have
Adam Curry: to say I really liked the job board on that
machine. It's nice.
Dave Jones: It was a good machine. And it
Adam Curry: still has the pistol has the OG little rubber nub.
Dave Jones: Yeah, and I mean the the Chinese make a nice machine
for
Adam Curry: Chinese. Hey, man. So last time we spoke was in
this capacity was you're in Nashville and now I got calls
from radio guys saying how do you how did you do that? How did
you do that remote? I said well, we sent an advanced team out a
week ago and they ordered all the lines and they set it all up
and they tested Lytro satellite truck tested the studio we had
Westwood one with the shoot the bird for us. I said no basically
basically, I pulled up the fountain page from the from the
venue and I pulled up clean feed and it all worked in somehow
Dave put someone in the bathroom and shuffling people about apt
chyron in the bathroom. It was good. I mean it really it really
is amazing. I just want us all to stop and realize I mean I
come from a place of steam gauges in the airplanes and this
kind of nonsense in and doing remotes you literally had to get
extra engineers you had to you know you had to you know
schedule stuff and people and and all kinds of things and now
we just like oh we just we just do it and doing boosted Graham
ball live was a was a blast, man. I had a good time doing
that. Even though it was fun, even though it includes video.
Dave Jones: A little weird for me. It kind of annoyed annoyed
me a little bit because I mean this was nothing that well.
Okay, so I finally met James and Julie Costello. And I guess Jim
I'm sorry, not James. Jim and Julie great. I mean they're just
like amazing people they're so you're so nice. And just just
like nice, insincere people you know, and I just really enjoyed
getting to meet them and all that and then so they they were
the ones putting on the band's Bitcoin but we could this is not
any This is not Jim's fault because they had to do a
soundcheck before just loud came on and he's about I don't know
about 10 minutes before this grand ball ended just loud is
just like killing it in the in the room so we couldn't hear
booster Grand Ball at all like 10 or 15 minutes just loud
Adam Curry: is kind of like a prince perfectionist type guy.
He got to have everything just right you know Yeah, I noticed
he
Dave Jones: brought his own sound guy he brought his own
sound guy up there sound good.
Adam Curry: Gotta hand it to him gotta hand it to him. That's
what you do. And so you couldn't hear the end of booster Graham
balls while you're saying
Dave Jones: oh, it is fun
Adam Curry: how did it look? Because you know what I did was
I put my my Mr list up on the screen I had the split kit
change in the album art I had myself and a little window to
that look at anything that was okay. Yeah, look great. I
Dave Jones: mean, the screen there's not it wasn't a good
setup for a huge screen but they had a decent sized screen there.
Like it would have been cool if there was like a like a sort of
like a projector. Same type thing with a bigger image now
but they had like they had a screen set up the one that was
showing like the leaderboard and all that that big screen setup
and I walked over there and just was watching because I've never
seen your in mirrorless setup so I was watching that is really
cool. Isn't it fun
Adam Curry: how that works when when I when I hit the song The
album marked changes you see the you see the split kid go active
and the booster grams coming in and all that stuff. Yeah,
Dave Jones: it was so cool. And like Jim made Jim knows how to
run a tight ship man. Like yeah, I mean that he was getting him
he was getting those artists on and off and soundcheck in, and I
mean, like, it went so smooth. There was only a couple of
hitches and one was. So right before those two things
happened, so owns Friday. Who was ill his or her before was
playing. So herbivores plan, and they they started with just a
few people in the house. I mean, it was like maybe 20 people by
the end of their set. It I mean, that place was wall to wall. I
don't know how many people there wasn't there wasn't that?
Adam Curry: Well, I thought they can hold 400 like 400. I thought
they could have
Dave Jones: if I guarantee you there was every bit of capacity
in there. Really? I mean, it was yes, it was, it was a lot, which
was awesome. But so half or so but about 15 minutes into their
set. Okay, Julie said room cap was 650. I mean, it's he knows
horror, really hard to tell. But I was having trouble kind of
moving my way through the crowd. So many people there were. So
about 15 minutes into the set, I guess. The I tried to boost to a
boost of 50,000 SATs. And then about a few minutes later, I
tried to boost another 50. And it just the page did nothing.
No. And so I kept trying. thinking, why is it showing
issue? You
Adam Curry: boosted a million SATs in total? Because you're
just boosting and boosting?
Dave Jones: No? Well, let's talk about that too. Because this was
an interesting setup the way that way they had a role in the
way Dobby does.
Adam Curry: Well, we had about eight different pages to look at
which was interesting by itself. The
Dave Jones: the way that it was in, in the in the concert in the
venue was you had a on the screen, you know there was a QR
code, you hit the QR code, it comes up to a essentially a page
where you can fill in the booster ground, you can put in
your message, how many sets what your name is all this kind of
stuff, just add an HTML form. You do that? And it gives you an
A bolt 11 invoice you pay you pay it in rice,
Adam Curry: which was kind of cool. By the way, that was kind
of cool the way that worked. Yeah,
Dave Jones: it was it was really neat because it what it
generates the bolt 11 in the background using an lb wallet,
and then pay it with all the details, all the TLV record
details and the splits recorded then then you pay that in that
invoice, and then the Alby wallet takes care of do is
sending out all the different shares to everybody. So it's
like a it's almost like a little bit like an escrow thing. But it
worked awesome, because you didn't have you know, if you're
in there and you're new and you don't even know anything about
2.0 You could just you could just do a scan,
Adam Curry: scan the QR codes and your SATs and I get to Adobe
dot set that up the split forwarding system? I'm
Dave Jones: not sure I thought he did. I think he did. But I'm
not sure maybe somebody can correct me. I'm pretty sure he
did. Yes, he did. Okay, so the what happened was I went to send
another 50,000 and it didn't work so I can't so I was like
okay, well I'll try 25 and then 25 worked from Okay, was there
something to limit or something? So then add 100,000
Adam Curry: sets at one point. So I saw it working at
Dave Jones: that level. And then I tried and then I realized what
was happening we there was some sort of limit because it would
only work if you sent progressively smaller and
smaller boosts. And so out what had happened was the the lb
wallet that this stuff was tied to on the back end was choking
had a 24 hour set limit on it. You can only do so many
transactions. It was like 2 million or something or 1
million that's
Adam Curry: like trying to trying to think and you have a T
one and you're actually on a 56k dial up.
Dave Jones: Yeah, so So who am like Hey, who is this thing is
this thing exactly? likes it was weird. So he put in some logging
saw the code saying that there's a limit in this way. So either
when it switched over to his own personal Alby wallet as the
escrow wallet, and everything started working again. Okay,
that was that happened on Friday then on Saturday, getting ready
for booster grand ball. The the saw the live socket for the
wallet switching? It would not it was rejecting the attempts to
connect to it from that side because of course,
Adam Curry: cohorts of cores of horrors that happen. Yes, of
course. Yes,
Dave Jones: of course. And then we're like, okay, we're trying
to get in touch with Stephen B. And we're getting Stevens had
radio silence going on. So we were like, Well, okay, crap. So
I took the chat that podcast index.org, which is like in
limbo and never used any more. I took that and set up an nginx
reverse proxy on it to basically proxy those WebSocket from Dobby
dasa site,
Adam Curry: calm man, to Steven bass. Oh, wow. Awesome.
WebSocket.
Dave Jones: And it were like a charm, man. I mean, is is crazy.
So we solved that when like,
Adam Curry: you did a reverse proxy. That's what you did.
Reverse proxies
Dave Jones: and nginx Yeah, it can nginx can can reverse proxy,
a WebSocket connection. Yeah, that's what you
Adam Curry: do. And you're behind a NAT firewall, you also
can do reverse proxy, right.
Dave Jones: Now, this is a little different, because what
so what a lot of people do is they'll have a web application,
running on localhost, and let's just say port 8888. And then
you'll set up an nginx, reverse proxy in front of it. So running
on 443, and an ad. And then you'll take all the incoming
connections, and then just send them to localhost. You're sort
of brokering the connection back and forth, right. And that so
you can protect your, your application using using an
engine, proper web application firewall, so that but it'll also
nginx will also do the exact same thing with WebSockets. Not
just HTTP. So we just use that. We just came in clutch on that.
Nice. Anyway, it's it was it was fun. It was fun. Just sort of
like seeing all that and seeing what the real world problems are
and chatting us solving them. It was it was it was really great.
Adam Curry: I can tell you that for boosted Graham ball from the
27th. Until What's the last entry here? July 30, because
it's been no more boost since then. 1,184,464 sets of the
artists.
Dave Jones: Wow. That's amazing. Yeah.
Adam Curry: I have no idea. I guess that was added to the to
the total. I don't know. I mean, I obviously I put a split in
there for RSS blue. So the Dhobi Gus WDS could set it up on his
thing. So I don't know. No,
Dave Jones: ideally, Julie said the border and she said no, that
that wasn't added to the total.
Adam Curry: Okay, let me give you that total again. 1,184,464.
Not bad people.
Dave Jones: I feel like my my rough sort of like guessed the
math was somewhere around $3,500 I think went through this system
total. That's just kind of worded the way I felt it was
going adding together that's adding together. Vinyl lounge
bands, bitcoins all three days, this green ball, I mean, all of
it.
Adam Curry: So cool. The whole thing was great. And do we know
do we sign up new artists? Did new people come on board? Were
people interested? I mean, what was the general vibe in the in
the house?
Dave Jones: I mean, I don't know about that part. I don't know
about the artist part. But I know there was a lot of people
there that there's a lot of people there with like names I
recognized and some that I didn't they felt new to me
whether they're actually new or not, I don't know. But
Adam Curry: now all those zaps, they also went through the Dhobi
das System. And then we're transmogrified into split.
Dave Jones: All the ones that came from the venue itself or
from the live stream web page, okay, the ones that came, you
know, and then of course, you got to add to those, you know,
the ones that went through the podcasts and 2.0 apps directly
if you're listening live on podcast guru or fountain or
something like that those were different.
Adam Curry: But that's that's very valuable if we can ever
make that work without it being a money transmitter, which of
course I think it always will be I've no idea.
Dave Jones: I mean, it shouldn't be, you know,
Adam Curry: No but yeah you don't know. And unfortunately
though because I was I was looking at the I was bouncing
back and forth I watched a lot on podcast guru was just does
video just just does a video fine and I think I I popped in
for a second to checkout true fans and but a lot of my you
know my main screen was the fountain screen. And so I tried
to get the nostril chat working but I never could I mean, I have
the nostril extension and all that I just couldn't get it to
work. I don't know what's going on. I don't understand it.
Dave Jones: I got man to work but it was not my that I had to
log in to fountain to get it to work. Like I couldn't get it
with just the extension that I did. But then you know, then of
course now then it's not my right?
Adam Curry: You're just some some rando.
Unknown: A plebe
Adam Curry: but you know, for me, it really showed once again
that I have no idea of how many people were watching or how many
streams we generated. I have no idea. I don't think anyone has
any idea. And nor does it really matter. Because, you know, music
Mama says 6 million SATs total. So that's pretty good. Six sets?
Yeah, about $3,700 I guess just a quick back of the napkin?
Dave Jones: That was my thought too. Yeah. Yeah,
Adam Curry: that makes that makes sense. You know, I was
listening today I heard was a pod news. That Patreon. They say
they paid out I'm not sure. There was like podcasters made I
don't know if that means that's what they made, or that was the
payout. Or I'm gonna think it was the total number before
Patreon cut etcetera. $350 million last year. I mean,
that's, I mean, it's a version of value for value. I don't like
it. But it's a version of people supporting podcasts, with the
value they feel is is appropriate for whatever value
they're receiving. And this really tells me something you
know, that's that's where that's where the money is. Now, I'm not
saying Patreon but getting people to support you directly.
Dave Jones: Did they get a saw that number? I saw that story
too was? Did they give a count of how many podcasters that
Adam Curry: included? I don't think so. No, cuz I thought they
did. And I gotta wonder. Maybe thought it
Dave Jones: was like 40,000 or something. Really? That's also
that's good. Let
Adam Curry: me see. Let me see the most recent pod news.
Unknown: Where is here we go. Patreon. Let me see.
Adam Curry: I don't see it in the Oh, yeah. 40,000 podcasters
are earning income on Patreon. As they build and grow their
business.
Dave Jones: So said they paid out 350 million to podcasters
businesses 40,000 creators are earning they, you know,
Adam Curry: yeah, that's that's sketchy. That's sketchy. That's
sketchy.
Dave Jones: I don't know what that any of that means. Yeah.
Adam Curry: I mean, I find that sketchy. Because
Dave Jones: if you just do that math, which I don't, obviously,
but you know, not ride me your joke about like nine grand per
podcast or don't? That's a lot. That's a lot.
Adam Curry: That seems high. To me, there's going to be a few
who make a lot more. That's the way it always is skewed to
Dave Jones: the top. Yeah. And I want to talk about that too,
until like with, with AD skipping, and downloads and all
that kind
Adam Curry: of thing. Why don't you want to take it away? Well,
Dave Jones: I mean, I did bring a PowerPoint. But
Adam Curry: let me turn on screen sharing for you, Dave.
Dave Jones: But I did want to say I do want to follow up and
say like, I didn't meet a lot of great people. In Nashville, it's
awesome to see people's faces. You know, you, you talk to
people for years, online, and through chats and forums and
such, but you see their face and you talk to them for five
minutes. And it's like you like you've known them forever. Yes,
yeah. You finally have a, like, a real sense of who the person
is. in it. It was great. I mean, there's so many of me, you know,
every peepee and Macintosh and dirty Jersey whore and
Adam Curry: nobody does. In Dobie das and the Costello's
Costello incorporate Lowe's. Oscar
Dave Jones: and Nick from fountain I mean, like Zach from
indie hub, Michael and Michael and Sam from wave Lake. Saw
wrote, you know, Of course, Roy and TMK were there. I mean, like
there was just so many pay in a coastal car in a car and so I
room I split an Airbnb with chyron over there and then he
wrote, he wrote back. He wrote back with me to Birmingham. So
realize, Oh, cool. Yeah. Yeah. He wrote back with me because he
was flying out of Birmingham on Sunday morning. So he just he
just flown, rode back with me and crashed on my couch Saturday
night. And then I took him to the airport Sunday morning. In
the car is just a beautiful person. I love that guy. Yeah,
he's so he's so great.
Adam Curry: You don't have a guest room in that policy.
Yours. We do, but
Dave Jones: it doesn't have like a it doesn't have a bed. Okay.
Yeah.
Adam Curry: All right. Everybody booths booths for Dave's bed.
Dave Jones: Tiny Tim can't afford a bed. But he's been. So
he. On the way back. We had to stop. And, you know, I gave him
the full because he's never been to the US before. This is first
trip to the US. Oh, wow. So I had to give him the false se
experience. So we stopped at buches. All right, filled up the
tank and bolt in Boston nuts, some buches nuts. This is what
we're gonna send you home with as your first United States
experience is buches. Beaver nuggets? That's you? Yeah, there
was there? You know, he's is that exactly what I was hoping
for? Wall to wall fat people.
Adam Curry: On electric carts? Yes. Exactly. Beautiful.
Beautiful. Anyways,
Dave Jones: it was great. Yeah, I guess what? I've been watching
this. And I think, gosh, we got so much to talk about I know
where to start? Well,
Adam Curry: you had a lot to talk about in the last show,
which we didn't get to. So I'm just I'm just leaving it up to
you. I mean, the only thing obviously, I'm still
anticipating and excited about is Oscar's demo of the bolt 11
of the new Bolt 11 system that we're we're hoping to implement.
And hopefully he'll get his stripe API stuff sorted out.
Dave Jones: The I am trying to resist jumping in to do that.
Because I've got I've got this laurelville side project that
I'm working on.
Adam Curry: No, no. He said he was going to do it.
Dave Jones: Yeah, but he's having trouble with his account
thing. Well, when
Adam Curry: I account does he want an account? You can use my
account? I'll give him my account. If
Dave Jones: that if that detachment from the mint. Yeah,
I didn't detach it from the man. But I turned I turned the mint
off. By the way, if you had, if you still have funds on the
mint, I mean to talk about like three people. If you have funds
on the mint, just tell me I'll send it back to you. Because
it's deactivated right now. No, it's not running. Dave
Adam Curry: fed Jones.
Dave Jones: Is a random Mexico with your money. What
Adam Curry: do you know? So I saw that breeze implemented
liquid? Do you know anything about liquid at all? It seems
like, you know, the marketing of it is well, here's another way
to do with lightning. And it's and it's much easier, but it's
not really yours. And is that something that you'd want to
look at?
Dave Jones: I talked to Roy about it a little bit. And he he
said it would work. But an add on ROI was so ROI was so down he
was in. He was in we're all screwed mode.
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. Well, he because he read the 8000 word
Whitney Webb article, Whitney Webb art. I'm like bro, calm
down a little bit. I mean, you know Whitney Webb Okay, sure.
She's with her everything leads back to Epstein. It's like every
everything is is Mossad blackmailing you for for for
weird sex you have is like he calmed down. Now. What do you
because I had a long chat with him over a signal. And he's
like, Well, their dollar rising everything like well, you know,
is it all really a bad thing? I mean, we still determine what we
want to do with Bitcoin. I mean, if if Senator Loomis thinks that
you know that it's a good idea to stack SATs and overtime pay
off our our national debt. Okay. I mean, I don't see that as
necessarily wrong. The problem I do see is the stable coin play.
I mean that it became very clear to me when I heard President
Trump talking about stable coin OST stable coins stay stable
coins, stable coins. You know what stable coins are? I mean,
that's that's your money printing right there. You know,
they're the guys buying all the short term Treasury paper.
Dave Jones: Have you seen how much this? This is a deep cut
here, but have you seen how much? How many Treasuries are
owned by tether?
Adam Curry: That's my point. It's it's their range size of a
country. Yeah, yeah, there's soaking it all up and at a
certain point, people gonna be like, Oh, is that is that thing
really secure that stable coin that tether thing where you want
to add a little bit coin in there?
Dave Jones: It's kind of terrifying. It's I mean, really,
if you think about it, it's kind of scary to think that a private
company owns that much. US Treasury bonds. Yeah. As well
freaky.
Adam Curry: Make no mistake. Trump understands macro
economics. He really does. And so when I heard him say, this is
like the new steel. This is like oil. What are you drinking?
Dave Jones: Oh, crap. This is? Waterloo, lemon lime.
Adam Curry: Oh, that's good. Yes, Waterloo is good. Yes. It
has quote unquote natural flavors. Don't
Unknown: worry. It's all natural. It's all natural.
Adam Curry: Be I when I heard him going, like, yeah, you know,
he, he sees it for what it is. And it is. I mean, there was a
great what Bitcoin did that Peter McCormick did with some
dudes who sound like they know what they're talking about. It
was but I was just like, oh, this look for sure bitcoin is
doing something as evil or people are showing up for it. So
it can't just be for the for the Bitcoiners who are out there.
It's got to be for more you know.
Dave Jones: It's not it's not just for the it's not just for
the loud music. No,
Adam Curry: no, no.
Dave Jones: Well, you know it I guess kind of on that note a
little bit before I get in this ad thing. The Bitcoin Conference
itself does this people are tone deaf man. They don't you had you
had this giant usage going on? Right outside your doors? Oh,
yeah. Yeah, this bugs me too. And of, of lightning. And like
real this is the real list of real world scenarios of actually
using Bitcoin to, to transfer to transfer money. Without
intermediate. I mean, this is everything they talk about.
Yeah. And they end because? Because because nobody was
paying for a session. Yeah, exactly. You're for a stage that
not a single mention of it. No,
Adam Curry: no. And if they even know about it, they all think
it's either only noster or only fountain because no one actually
does any any investigation. I know. I know. It's what it is.
Dave Jones: They're so concerned about getting politicians to
speak and in fun that you know, in big financial players, that
they completely just ignore every every bit of like, Grant,
you know, ground boots on the ground.
Adam Curry: Well, there they are. There. A conference
organizer? Yeah, that's what you do. I was looking at someone,
someone Eric pepper sent me every back issue of Wired, going
back to 2000 through the mail. Weird, very, very, and in like
2006 I don't have it in front of me. There was this the new music
business, it's all going to change. It's all going to be
fantastic. We got drone audiences. And this is before
Spotify and all that stuff. And in general, nothing in Wired
Magazine ever plays out.
Dave Jones: None of it ever.
Adam Curry: None of it. It's amazing. Even they hadn't even
2002 ai same promises in 2002. We have 22 years later, none of
it's happening. Except chatbots. Got Chatbot.
Dave Jones: Alex sent me this thing. Twitch is doing like a DJ
streaming thing. Did you see that? Yeah, I
Adam Curry: looked into that what a bunch of hooey. So only
like via
Dave Jones: the subsidy program.
Adam Curry: I don't know about what's the subsidy program?
Dave Jones: Well, it seems the best we could figure out was it
seems like what's going to happen so they're available.
It's it's kind of like tick tock. It's C is C it reads this
way. For anybody on the platform can can stream licensed music.
And if you actually make money from it, then they're going to
start to do a rev share. No,
Adam Curry: no, no, no
Dave Jones: labels.
Adam Curry: No, I look I looked at this. Okay, so it's only
music that they have licensed for you to play. It's not like
you can just tell Make any music and start playing it. So it's
only from the library they make available, but I don't know how
much that is or how limited it is that depends on what they got
the blanket license for live only, so you can't record it, it
can you can't go back and look at one can only be in live
streaming. That's that's how they're doing it because that
fits under the, the auspices of certain licenses that are kind
of already out there and available. And the monetization,
it runs all through them. And so they have something called bits,
which is like you get a bid for someone who signs up, you get if
you can, if someone signs up to the Twitch, you know, gaming
supreme service, then you get you get some money for that and
it's different per country. And they take the they give the
revenue, the I don't even know if you get if you get an
accounting of it. They give revenue to the to the labels
before you even see it. And it's not like a rev share, trust me
is not a rev share. It's
Dave Jones: a rev share in reverse because yes, share some
of the revenue. Yes,
Adam Curry: exactly. You get and they literally call them bits
here's a bit for you got a bit so now it's dumb is dumb.
Unknown: This dumb well.
Adam Curry: I think it's dumb, whatever. It's fine people. I
mean, there's been enough about the the Twitch payouts that's
been you know, it's been chopped in half. And there's all kinds
of stuff going on there. And you really hold on to a company that
can kick you off at a in a heartbeat. You know, if you do
too much of one artists, if you you know you have you can't be
like a jukebox. So you can't take requests. I mean, all kinds
of stuff you can't do.
Dave Jones: If so, what that gets me some we need to talk
about. Let's do namespace real quick.
Adam Curry: Let's do namespace.
Unknown: And now it's time for some hot namespace talk. Yeah,
Adam Curry: it's been a while but we're back in the saddle.
Dave Jones: So the the thing I did last night was added the
content link tag to be also you to be also a child of the item
tag. So before it was only used as an it was only possible to
add the content, the podcast colon Content link tag, to a
podcast colon live item tag. Now you can add it to a normal item
as well. Oh, okay. So, I mean, this is this is really just, you
know, the content link is there to allow you to link out to
external content that's outside of the app. So like a YouTube
link or something like that. This this, so that's gonna,
that's gonna make that's gonna solve some problems like for
Todd with his alternate enclosure, troubles and that
kind of thing. And also Nathan has a lot of use cases for it
for episode so I found the one I'm looking at now. Is podcast
follow podcast colon follow?
Adam Curry: Yes.
Dave Jones: And we can probably talk more about that next week.
The but the licenses by I feel like we need to talk about this
because I want to get that tied up. Hopefully this weekend,
okay. To do is the is the music license. So I'm trying to
understand where we are on that is, here's here's my license and
in music, here's
Adam Curry: my understanding. My understanding is that the
Costello's have worked on and I think they did a lot of it with
Sam Sethi on what they're calling a music license. And I'm
fine with that. But I would really maybe you can do to a
main copy it and then call it a remote a remote license or
whatever because just calling it a music license you're setting
yourself up for trouble because there is no difference between
an mp3 That's a song and mp3 that's a that's a mix an mp3
that's another piece of a podcast and any remote items can
be all kinds of things. So I personally feel we should call
it you know, remote item or something and not limited to
music. But if people want to call it music, I'm fine with it.
I haven't seen the final final, but I'm sure I'm going to be
fine with it because we went through enough iterations of it
Dave Jones: wherever this thing, so this the music license is
sort of like a It's sort of like a unicorn. I've heard that it
exists, but I've never actually seen it in the wild. So if if
somebody if if Julie horse or Sam or somebody can like, send
me a blurry photo of the unicorn
Adam Curry: along with Bigfoot, and we're good to go.
Dave Jones: Yeah, if somebody can send me a blurry image of
this thing, I will put it into the namespace. And also, so is
there also a podcast license? Because you're okay, here's,
here's what
Adam Curry: I think. thing maybe, I don't know. Okay,
Dave Jones: I've stayed out of have stayed out of some of this
discussion because it's outside my lane, and inlet and other
people deal with it. So what I've seen referenced is a music
license, a podcast license and a V for V license. Right. I don't
know which ones are those are separate entities or they the
same thing? I don't know. Okay, well, we
Adam Curry: have music mama on the back bench in the in the
boardroom, she says we're consolidating. And we just need
it to be a name. And I personally really liked the V
four v license. Because that's what it is. I mean, you're
you're sharing value back to someone whose content you use in
a value enabled situation. Now if in the colloquial language
that's called a V free music license, that's fine. And by the
way, I'm not a jihadist about it. I'm just saying it makes it
so much easier just to have a V from V license and whatever it
is, whatever that remote item is, it's the value flows through
to it through to the splits that are generated by the remote
item. Okay, and music Mama says she thinks that we settled on V
for v. So okay,
Dave Jones: Julie, Julie, send me send me what you got. And I
will I will get everything because what I did was I went
through and took out the entire long list of open source
licenses yes like 300 that took all that out and put it back in
put only back in the Creative Commons licenses and then
whatever this this new thing is going to be so it's just a short
list in that list will seed podcast hosting company you eyes
and you know I cast upon you as any anybody who needs access to
this licensing niche have a can base their drop down list off of
this and you can just pick and choose so I could if you'll send
me what you got Julie? I'll make that happen this weekend.
Unknown: Okay, excellent. Good
Dave Jones: if it's not right, if we figure out something's
wrong, yeah, we can change it. Yeah, we can change it just like
you know, this is a 1.8 V for V license 1.0 And we'll change it
to a 1.1 or something like that.
Unknown: Yep. Yep, perfect.
Perfect.
Dave Jones: Okay I think all I did with the
Adam Curry: that's all you did was
Dave Jones: well for some of the for some reason the face seven
has been a real humongous pain in the butt
Adam Curry: we've been busy it's been summer
Dave Jones: he has been kind of busy but it's also been like
these things are some of these things are like heaven required
a lot of legwork like you know like the the like the licensing
thing is people have to do a lot of stuff and then the keys like
the keys end dress right lighting interesting that took I
mean that took a while took a while yeah. of going back and
forth and trying to just figure out I mean it zoom meetings and
stuff like these are just kind of like annoying. This is the
annoying phase. So if we can get rid of if we can get through
this one Sam
Adam Curry: Sam just boosted in with 1000 SATs as we call it the
podcast license bill we're will rename it to V for V license so
we can include clips in the future. Yes. Good. Okay, that
Dave Jones: makes it makes perfect perfect. Okay, cool.
Says since in me things
Adam Curry: yes. And he says they send your things people
send your thing is because
Dave Jones: what's left on the list is see what have we done
already? We've added the case of phase seven, we've added the
publisher, medium and publisher feeds those are thing now. acts
as a chat, we added the chat tag. And you know what I think
category this is sort of starting to feel like such a big
phase
Adam Curry: categories and tags as categories if I recall. Yeah.
Dave Jones: And I know we need that really bad. I'm just man,
that's a lot. I think they're, I don't know. I mean, I hate to
just keep this thing going forever. I'm gonna have to think
about that. I'm gonna think back because I think I think we kind
of know what to do. I feel like I feel it, here's it, here's
what it is. I feel like phase eight is going to be just
categories or tags slash tags. And which is which is
Adam Curry: big, which is going to be a big one. That's not an
easy one to do.
Dave Jones: And if you mess it up, it's bad. Yes. So one of
them is that yeah, I feel like we're gonna need to and know
that it's a huge pain in the butt. I mean, because it for the
for music, especially we really need some categories. Yeah,
genres tags. What everyone cool. But I feel like we just need to
wrap this this other thing up is getting lost in that shuffle.
And I would say phase a really almost needs to just be nothing
but that Yeah, so we can all focus on the one thing Yes,
film. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Cotton Gin, I think you just
need to be on on phase. And Eric's right film. Cuz we
thought you know, because indie hub. They're, they're sort of
like the wave lake for video. If you want to think of like that.
Yep. They've started rolling out RSS feeds. Oh, cool. I
Adam Curry: was wondering how that was going. Yeah.
Dave Jones: I was working with Zach and Dante on the backend
for the last month or so. They're excellent. Cuz they
didn't know how to do HLS or any of that stuff. And they've got
all that working now. Cool. Yeah. So they're going to need
categories as well. Yeah. genres. So anyway, that there's
just I think, I think we just need to put that in. In Phase
eight, I'm just going to bump it and Okay. Um, horses, we added
the courses medium, I've just still got to an Alex went and
made the proper updates to pod thing, I just gotta roll it to
production.
Adam Curry: But I just wanted to respond, I haven't listened to
all of it, just listen to a little bit of Pardons weekly
review. And I just want to express my feelings. So they
were talking about audiobooks. And I truly believe audiobooks
can work value for value. I think you can start off each
chapter with your pitch. I mean, there's always to do it, I
firmly believe in that. But I do not believe and I just want to
say it. So I know Sam's listening, I just want to say
the streaming SATs. micropayments is not a model.
It's you know, pay as you pay as you go is not a model. In fact,
we just talked about this one or two weeks ago. So if I could do
away with it, I'd be fine with that too. Because it confuses
people. Value for value is a philosophy. And it only works if
you ask if you receive and if you think which is something
that can be done even dynamically. You can thank
people, you know, at the beginning of a new chapter,
there's all kinds of things that can be done. I don't have a book
to do. But man, I can see how it will be done. And I believe in
it. I really do. I think it will work quite well. But but there's
this misconception. And I don't I do not believe that you can
say well pay as you go fill up your wallet and pay for stuff
you consume. That's not how it will never work that way.
Dave Jones: What do you mean, what why not?
Adam Curry: People will not move to that I just I have no if
there's no evidence that people will move to a model of I'm
going to pay as I go. I just don't believe it. You need the
value for value concept needs to come from an ask and from a and
ingratitude. It can't just be I'm throwing this stuff up and
you should use this app and pay me it's just it. There's no
reason for it to work. So it's so saying instead of a
subscription, or a paywall model, you just everyone just
streams for what they use. No, it won't work. I mean, go ahead
and try. I'm happy to be proven wrong. But I don't think it'll
work. People set value because they understand the pitch. They
understand what it's about. They understand what they're
supporting. It's not like everything. I use everything I
review on the web now I'll pay one set per page. No. People
aren't like that. That's not how it works. People want stuff for
free. I I was I was listening to my stepdaughter still with us.
She's 22 be 28 January 27. And she was talking about she has a
friend in New York. And he turned her on to open source
book readers. He says open source is great Did I get all
these books for free? I said, No. I said, No, what you're
doing, what you're doing is you are using an open source
program, which people worked on which you don't recognize how
many people worked on that, to steal content from some other
system that basically got cracked. Yes. And I said, that
is not open source, and that is not okay. And I say, I'm only
going to say this once. And people all the time, say, Hey,
you can hook into my Plex library get everything for free.
I'm like, no, no, no, no, thank you. I pay for my content one
way or the other, I pay for my content.
Dave Jones: It's just different versions of Usenet. In 1999,
downloading TV show episodes. Yes. You know, or movies. Yes.
You know, there's a it's not it's not any different than
that. I mean, it's not I think I understand what you're saying
about the, you're just say you're just saying that the ad
that if the ask is not there, then that's the problem. Yes.
Adam Curry: Be as you got to explain yourself to you got to
explain how it works. What you're doing. Right.
Dave Jones: It's the stream because um, because the first
thing I'm you know, thought when you said that was last stream
says to shows all the time, and don't boost I mean, I stream as
I'm listening, but it's because that is because they do is
because they ask yes. Yeah, because like the shows, the
shows I do that for our shows that coder radio, Putney pod
news, weekly review.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I mean, I stream to shows that I really
care about 200 SATs a minute standard fare, I don't care what
the bitcoin price is. It's just 200 SATs a minute. But it's
like, you know, if saying micro payments will work. It's like
saying, okay, so every person who walks by the guy playing in
the subway is guaranteed to put money into the jar? No. No,
well,
Dave Jones: the reason true fans, I think the reason true
fans is not not on the audio books. I'm thinking I'm just I'm
not thinking about the audio books. Right now I'm thinking
about something like true fans or fountain is because they're
sort of interceding and doing the ask to a certain degree on
on behalf of the podcaster. Or there's like a there's a there's
an ask this being overlaid on top of a podcaster, who's not
doing the Ask agreed. So that it's like that works to a
degree. But then if but at some point, the podcaster themselves
really needs to, to integrate the feedback loop or else that
they just don't get very far. Or at least that's the way it seems
to me.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Sam is is boosting away like crazy. But
the bottom line is, if you can make it work, I'm happy for you
to make it work. But now you become a platform, and you're a
platform where people come to your platform to do things in a
certain way. And that's okay.
Dave Jones: Yeah, I mean, well, the plat, the platform like,
like in the, in the case of true fans of fountain, the platform
is the ask, as long as their standard, you know, in their
standard compliant with, with open protocols. And that, you
know, peer and peer to peer payments and that kind of thing.
So the, the platform becomes the ask, because there's so many
people that are just not asking. Yes.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I mean, if you can create, and I think that
Sam's vision, which is okay, but it's not value for value, it's
He keeps talking about a micro payments model, okay. The reason
why there's no micro payments model is because it won't work.
In my humble opinion. I've been doing value for value for a long
time. It's tough. It's tough, and it's a roller coaster, and
you got to keep reminding people, I will just keep saying
it. You got to keep reminding people, that this is how it
works. I've seen I've seen books, you know, DeVore X set up
a publishing company, and he published his wife's book, too
many eggs to too many eggs.com. And this is and by the way, it
won it won an award at the book publishers fair or something in
California, best cooking book, and the book itself, which is
not a cheap book. It's like 60 or 70 bucks, I think. And it's a
huge hardcover book. It's I mean, it's an amazing
production, but they give away the PDF for free. And it's some
astronomical percentage like 85% of people who download the PDF
for free, buy the book. And they just say it's value for value
here. You can take this take me I'll use it Whatever you want,
but people like it so much, and they appreciate the work, they
come back and then boom, they buy the book,
Dave Jones: you know, in a very early version of this was the
Mises Institute. They, they were doing this in like 1999. So what
they what they did in there, they're located down here in
Auburn, Auburn, Alabama, they, they start they made, they took
all they would go to all this trouble to find these old books,
let's just let's just say, an old book like barley bum Bobrick
or, or Adam Smith, or like these old works that were that had
long, complicated copyright, this hard to track. And they
would do a lot of legwork to find these to track down the,
the who's the right current rights holder, get permit, get
the appropriate permissions, and all this kind of stuff, which is
a lot of work. And they would get all that sorted out. And
then they would make available, they would, they would always do
two versions, they would do an ebook version that was free to
download from their website. And they do would do a hardcover
print copy that you could order from their store. And the same
thing, almost people all tons of people downloaded the PDFs, and
the ebooks, but they always had tons of sales on the store.
here's
Adam Curry: the here's the pitch. It's actually $48 for the
hardcover, this so they have hardcover, $48 by hardcover, and
then they have PDF, download free PDF $0. And it says
underneath that price should not be a barrier to knowledge
access, which is why providing the PDF version of this book
free to download donations to support this effort provide free
ebooks are welcome and appreciate it. You can donate
via PayPal or send cheques. And I know that they did good money
on it. I don't know exactly what but I know that they're going to
do more books, because this model works. And that is that is
a pure value for value model with an extra twist. Yeah. So
anyway, I'm just saying I believe in audiobooks. I really
do. I believe though work and as many ways to do it. But it's
scary. It's scary. I'm gonna be the first to admit value for
value is scary.
Dave Jones: So that goes over into, into, as you can tell
about ads skipping, you know, because that's kind of a big
deal right now.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I haven't really followed that closely.
But
Dave Jones: well, which is it's the whole thing is funny. So
there's new this new app came out. That's No,
Adam Curry: I heard this. This sounds like a kid who has never
even looked at podcasting. Really?
Dave Jones: I didn't, I did not hear the interview. Oh,
Adam Curry: I did. He's like, Yeah, you know, people should be
able to support podcasters directly, they should not to
take ads out welcome.
Dave Jones: Yeah. ad load, like ad load is a huge deal, like
it's becoming is becoming more of a problem to the point where,
you know, it's gotten, it's gotten bad enough to where
things like this are going to start to be a thing. And I
guess, I guess, you know, there's always this ethics issue
that comes up around this, but, uh, so I had a couple of
thoughts. If you're down, sorry.
Adam Curry: Sorry, someone if you're downloading
Dave Jones: is, okay, this goes back to the beginning of
podcasting. Pot trying to figure out a swarm of thoughts, your
podcast apps. You should always, in my opinion, podcast apps
should always download the episode before playing it. I
think what Marco did on the recent release of overcast is
exactly the correct right thing to do. The some at some point in
the game when bandwidth got faster. Podcast apps started to
emerge in I don't know if it was stitcher or who was the first to
do it, but they started to merge in this concept. So you'd either
have a download or stream and the download like downloading is
what podcasting was supposed to be. It was supposed to download
it ahead of time so that you could listen to it later.
Adam Curry: Yeah, it was done at the time for bandwidth
constraints for bandwidth
Dave Jones: constraints. But that is the bird that is the
birthright of podcasting, first ride is downloading the episode.
And then for later playback. Now, whether that playback
whether that quote later playback is like, three seconds
later, or three days later, is sort of irrelevant. In the
street streaming started to creep its way into podcast apps,
you know, a few years into podcasting, and everything just
got super messy. Yeah. But that's why that's why to this
day, the download, quote unquote, is still the metric by
which podcasting is measured, and measured by downloads.
Because that's been the assumption from the beginning is
that there's going to be a download, whether it's above
complete, full download, or partial, whatever, the download
is still the flag that we all plan on. So the, you know, ad
skipping to me, is almost irrelevant. Because if you're
downloading the episode ahead of time, you the from the
advertisers standpoint, the ads been delivered. And you're never
you're never going to know if they actually listened to it or
not. Because you can't there's no such thing as playback
metrics on anything other than Apple podcasts and YouTube, and
nobody, yeah, nobody reports that they just report download
metrics. Yeah, a be compliant download metrics. So if I don't
even see where ad skipping is, I don't see the ethics of this.
Because prop download downloaded episodes become opaque to the
advertisers anyway. So to me, this is all like that, that
whole thing is just, it's kind of like a non dual also, also at
least give me a non sequitur.
Adam Curry: You know, and this is it. I'll concede to this. If
you're going to have speed enhancers, audio enhancers, if
you're going to, you know, once you've downloaded the episode,
and you're you're changing it to listen to it the way you want to
listen to it. It's fair game. Yeah. And, you know, I can
remember what app had it. I don't know if it's still like
there was an app at some point that you could say, Okay, for
the Joe Rogan podcast started at three minutes and 50 seconds
into the episode because that skips the the ads.
Dave Jones: Yeah, yep. I remember I cast ematic does
that. Okay, so
Adam Curry: it's like, Yeah, Ben, if, if we're all going to
be fine with with transmogrifying, my beautifully
produced audio into something that's faster, or that has
enhanced sound capabilities, which is really what Marco
started with, that I'm okay. I have to be okay with that. Even
though I think it's bad for your brain, that's the main thing is
like, why you do that? Why would you run past the Mona Lisa?
Well, so it's beautiful art. But okay, if that's how you, you
know, some people throw paint on the Mona Lisa, whatever you want
to do, or soup? Yeah, that's fine. But then, yeah, ad
skipping is? And, and I don't think there's any ethics to it
at all. And thank you for saying it's the birth right. Because
what is always thrown back is well, you know, advertising
supports this industry. It's not an industry. That's your
industry. Yeah, that's not podcasting. Podcasting is not an
industry. Value for value is not an industry. It's a thing, it's
just the thing.
Dave Jones: Which leads me to the sort of, sort of an idea is
why can't you? Why can't apps. So we have this we have this
idea that you're going to that have you know, the download is
the is the heart and soul of of the metric. Why could you not as
an app, send a head request for that enclosure? after the fact
when somebody hits its play. The first time they hit the hit play
on the episode, you just send an HTTP header request with with a
parameter
Adam Curry: or this like it will ring like it was played like
hey,
Dave Jones: or a header. Something in there either a
header or a URL parameter. This says this was played well, bad
playback.
Adam Curry: I can tell you right now that no one in the
advertising business wants that.
Dave Jones: Right, but I'm sure you know why. Yes, exactly.
Because they don't actually want to know how many people played
it. They want downloads, because the download number is always
way bigger, correct? Yes. But the that would be something that
that would be something that apps apps could provide. If they
wanted to play back a true playback number. Yeah, that
would be not, it would not be bandwidth intensive, it would
just be a very simple thing. I guess I started thinking about
all this in context of, yeah, I saw that. I saw the ad rates,
James reported the ad, like the advertising CPMs from advertised
cast or Lipson nazzer, whatever they call it now. And, and I'm
combining this in the back of my mind for months now there's been
this. If you look at the, if you look at the, like the total
number of shows that have published an episode, if you
look at that stat over time, it has just been slowly eroding.
Not I mean, not massively. Now, a couple a couple points. Yeah,
one or one or two percentage points, you know, a month, it's
just been slow, just this ever. So gradual decline is not
catastrophic, or anything like that. But it has been a slow
erosion of the total number of shows publishing an episode. And
it it's that met Okay, so that metric is sort of misleading on
its own, because for a long time for longtime free podcast hosts,
like Spotify for podcasters, which used to be called Anchor.
There's other there's others that do this, but anchor was is
the worst offender. For so long, those those free hosts just
pumped out hundreds of new episodes a week from people just
screwing
Adam Curry: around. Yeah. Which is why Spotify in their
quarterly report claimed 6 million podcasts. Okay, yeah,
exactly. Sure.
Dave Jones: I just, I stopped auto ingesting anchor podcast
feeds and Spotify for podcaster feeds into the index like a year
ago. Oh, yeah. And without that noise in the stats, you see a
more accurate picture of how many shows are actually
publishing. And so that number has been gradually declining.
Yeah. And the reason I'm bringing this up is because the,
if you look at the rates that were put that James published
the other day, his See, look at this is for July, for July of
2024. The average CPM for 62nd spot was $21.90. Okay, so if you
go, luckily, I save all my old emails. So looked back from May
of 22. So almost exactly two years ago, the average CPM in
Lipson ads was $23.77. So you've had, you've had the CPM has
fallen by $2 per 1000, over two years.
Adam Curry: And you're not taking inflation and all that
into account. That's what I was about to say is the valuation of
the money.
Dave Jones: You've had an 8% drop in CPM. And about a 17%
rise in inflation. Yeah. Over two years. What, you know, one
reason the podcast ad market hasn't tanked yet is because
advertising, we advertise or they're getting a bang up deal.
Right. They are. I mean, they're their prices over their cost
over time for ads. There's going going down. Yeah, but it sucks
for podcasters Yeah, so the ad supported for ad supported
podcasters. It hits. It hits the lower middle class of podcasting
the hardest,
Adam Curry: like, just like the real economy. Yeah.
Dave Jones: Yeah, thanks fed. So I mean, like a show with, let's
see, was a shirt like a show with it's got 100 like 100,000
downloads a month. That would be $2,300. Right? 100 times see me
100 times 23 per 1000. So that's $2,300. So in 2022, if you had
100 for one ad for one ad, for one ad, yes, for one ad for 1/62
ad. And a lot a lot of shows only have one ad. So you had
100,000 100,000 downloads your your you're bringing in 2300
bucks for the month that's 100 downloads 100,000 downloads
every month and that's a decent sized show.
Adam Curry: That's that's no agenda level. No, I'm sorry.
That's per episode. No, no, it's was terrible. It's a 10th of no
agenda. So yeah. Okay, got it. Still
Dave Jones: a very decent sized show. Yeah. In. So in 2020 2020,
fours brez give me a 2022. He was bringing in $2,300. That
same show with the same download metrics and 2024 is bringing in
$2,100. They're licking $200. Less. Yeah. So that show, let's
say that show is like a 90 minute a week podcast, maybe you
were paying, then you're maybe you're paying like in 2020. And
maybe you're paying at somebody like 100 bucks a show to edit
it, you're not good at editing. So you pay an editor to clean up
your audio and stuff like 100 bucks per episode. Now 2024,
same guys charging 150 bucks an episode because of inflation. So
your costs went up $200 a month, and your income went down? $200?
Unless you took a 20% hit? Yeah, so maybe, maybe you don't do so
many episodes. Or maybe you go get a part time job. I mean,
like this is real. This. There's a lot going on here. There's a
lot of erosion going on here. And then I'm sure that that's
one that's one pot, you know, one explanation. Another one is,
in some cases, you know, maybe the rates the cake, the rates
had to come down to sell, like in order to sell ads. You know,
we know that's happening. But let's say another scenario is is
a big advertiser that used to buy 75 shows in a particular
sector like tech, now, they're only buying 50 of the biggest
one, the 50 biggest ones. With that, you know, to save costs,
well, if that advertiser, if those 25 smaller shows, then
they only have been the only advertiser for that show. And
100% responsible for 100% of that income. So now you got 25
shows that have just been cut loose. In there, they're going,
maybe six months goes by and they can't find another
advertiser, they're just gonna, they may give up, they give up
Adam Curry: well, if you're coming into podcasting to make
money, I advise you find a lawn mowing gig, that's better.
Seriously, I mean, the advertising ultimately always
leads to censorship is not self censorship. We've got Garm now
Garm is and you know, even Twitter is signed up to guard
we're not going to be brand safe. It's like ah, that's okay.
You know, fine. There are lots of products and companies out
there that are happy to support you if you you do an in in show
read and talk about how much you love the product, you know,
which you'll have to be convincing and give a code bond
Gino code bond Gino? You know, that's I believe in that stuff.
But we're talking about dai and it's a scourge, it's a scourge
on everything? No,
Dave Jones: I think it's great. Right? For the for the longer
term, because as every month that that CPM rate just stay
stagnant.
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's, that's the more erosion there is.
Dave Jones: That is further erosion, which it pushes, it
pushes average, it pushes podcasters that do want to make
money, which is I mean, that's only a small, you know, it's not
a it's not the majority. We know the majority of podcasters just
do it, because they want to. But that section that does want to
make money podcasting, it pushes them into things that are more
sustainable. Hey, look, here's your value. You know, whatever.
Adam Curry: Here's a sustainable model, pod news, pod news, very
sustainable model, it starts off telling me who the sponsor is
today. And there may or may not be some stories in there from a
sponsor from time to time doesn't really bother me. And
then it ends. And sometimes there's people who support the
show bronze, silver gold, they get to mention his fine, it's
fine. And it's not a 62nd hand. It's like this is brought to you
by you know, Magellan AI or Magallon depending on where
you're from. And it ends that way. And that's fine. You know,
it's a short podcast, so I'm gonna hear the tag at the end.
It doesn't bother me. It's all groovy. I take it into account.
If I hear a story about someone who's also a sponsor, either in
that show or later I'm like okay, now noted. And James
always says support us value I think out if he says value for
ice cream, you know 200 SATs per minute and you know, every
single day so that adds up you know, I may be streaming him 30
bucks a month and he mentioned that and he thanks people for it
and you know that that's a good model that works but there's no
dai there's no you know, there's nothing popping in before the
show starts or anything like that.
Dave Jones: Yeah, I think that that's the that's Is this the
thing that has to go away? And that's where all this see that's
where all this CPM BS right Oh she comes CPM erosion comes
from. Yeah, it comes from that. It comes from that just broken
model. And I think the, the more the more that the quicker that
whole thing can just collapse is the better. Shall
Adam Curry: we play a song? Yes, please. So the booster grand
bowl episode 23 that I did live and was broadcast live into the
venue, their Embassy Suites in Nashville was mainly produced by
Jim Costello. I said, hey, send me a list of songs. Send me a
setlist man. Send me some songs. Tell me what you want me to
play? Because I didn't want to miss anyone who was there? By
the way. I think Andy rock'n'roll. Breakheart is my
favorite new artist.
Dave Jones: That guy's awesome.
Adam Curry: And he boosted me back. He boosted like 18,000
SATs back to me.
Dave Jones: Nice. Yeah. Seeing him live was a trip dude. He was
rolling floor and
Adam Curry: he's got you know, he's got the two feet going he's
got the tambourine and the drum and you know, the drumstick on
one he's got the kick on the other one. And just doing Chuck
Berry riffs at you know 1000 times speed fantastic. I love
that guy. But I'm not gonna play his song. There was another song
that when I heard it, I'm like, Oh my God. I just this is my new
favorite song in the value verse. I want everybody to boost
if you're going to boost this show, boost this artists and
please tell the artists you heard it on podcasting. 2.0
There's something about this jack holiday that I love. This
one is titled tiptoe
Unknown: baby let your hand down a nother wishes. You pick it up
and blow a kiss Sinead given your best and push there ha baby
here's a showdown you don't tell her you're coming it's a mental
game you're running your ground and mighty high again even look
them in the eye you feed in the name
if you what's your what's your
shine your brightest
just tip
you can make the rules now whose game you play? What are you
making? It's written in a storm. Can you tell them who you are?
Take a good look now she who sticks shop when you cross the
finish line who's still on your mind run your races in huge
shine your feet in the knee
if you see
shine decide your
skill tip
Adam Curry: I mean the songs just got everything he got
saxophone you got to drive a baseline. obvious lack of auto
tune, love it. Love this whole whole album of that. I really
could. I love that as a great song. Kind of Macy Gray. Little
bit of Alicia Keys vibe and their whole thing is good, man.
I like it.
Dave Jones: Oh, Julie, send me the license. Hey. License
Adam Curry: is shooting. Oh, we got a baller or sound like a
mini baller sound like a 10,000 baller. Let's see. Nice
anonymous podcast guru user 10,000.
Unknown: Oh, thank you anonymous. Area is beautiful
that with a
Adam Curry: hand clap V for V. Thank you very much. I went
straight to the artist. Love that. That's how you got to do
it.
Dave Jones: Yeah, I think I think we think podcast follows
Oh, I think we'll talk about that next week. Okay. That's
another NASA Nathan gathright proposal on the namespace uh, we
got it you know what I've been remiss I've got to check out
headliners. News two point out chapter tool.
Adam Curry: Oh, okay.
Dave Jones: So that they added like a mischievous and had she
has to look at this that So chapter feature, right yeah it's
like really similar to hyper Capture Studio outputs is a JSON
and they integrated it into their like their AI things so
that gives you it gives you a bunch of like it gives you a
bunch of chapters to start with and then you can go back and
edit them to be whatever you want. And it's supposed to be
collaborative, like hyper capture. So I've been meaning to
check that out. Yeah, they give me max over there. Give me a log
in. I need to mark this
Adam Curry: beautiful
Dave Jones: mark that so though, I just found this feature in
fast mail the other day that I didn't know that this news
feature
Adam Curry: you can snooze a person snooze an email. Oh, and
it'll come back. There's a pop back up to the top of the stack
or what does it do?
Dave Jones: I think yeah, I think so. Yeah,
Adam Curry: that's what I want from my AI people that I'm
that's what I'm looking for you fix my email. I'll believe in
AI.
Dave Jones: Did you see a podcast Giroux? Is that pod roll
support now?
Adam Curry: Yeah, I have an Android version. So I don't
think it's it's updated on Android yet. But that's
fantastic. Let me see. I don't think that that's
Dave Jones: let me see if it's on mine.
Unknown: Let me say
Adam Curry: No, I don't see it here. See? Used but that's the
stuff we need. That's what we need. We need that we need a
wallet solution. Hello, Oscar marry.
Dave Jones: Well, so we talked in our Tata Oscar about that and
talk to Mike. Michael from wavelike. I've talked to him
about stuff for a while. Westpro we've probably talked for half
an hour. Oh, good. And just about, about all the things
going on. And you know, oh, Zebedee. Yeah. So that's how you
talk to the No, no,
Unknown: no, tell me. Yeah. I
Dave Jones: talked to a lady from Zebedee. And she said that
she listens to the show.
Adam Curry: Hello. Zebedee lady.
Dave Jones: Yeah, I can't remember her first name because
it was so loud at that, at that top floor that have the vinyl
lounge that I can't miss and her name every time she said it. But
I asked her to email me so that would so that I would know who
she was. And I haven't gotten an email from her. So
Adam Curry: and this is pertaining to can we use Ebody?
For wallets? Yes,
Dave Jones: they they. She said that they would be glad to offer
an lb like service to abs. Ah, so she said Well, yeah, yeah. So
she said that there would be dynamite she said that they
would be she's like their social media person. Okay. And then she
said that she could hook hook us up with the correct people for
for figuring all that out. And like, the
Adam Curry: main thing is, can they just do it with a fee and
not with not with a cost to the app developer and then run it
off to the races there? That'd be fantastic.
Dave Jones: Yeah, so I want to work all that stuff out with
with with their people, but I need somebody I need either her
or somebody from Zebedee to call to get in touch with me. So
David, David podcast index.org Because I don't remember her
name. Okay.
Adam Curry: Well, that would be fantastic. And I heard Chris
over there Jupiter. On this week in Bitcoin that he moved to the
Alby hub, and he seemed quite pleased with it with the
transition and everything. But okay, I gotta tell you, I've
looked at Alby hub and my eyes glaze over I don't quite I mean,
I'm waiting for it just to be simple and simply understandable
to me i don't know I'm waiting for it to be available on my
start nine to be honest, that's it I'm sure it already works and
everything but I just haven't figured out the process yet. I
haven't really put put my brain to it.
Dave Jones: Yeah, I've met I've mentioned this before I just
want this all I just want some sort of solution because it's
it's it's more than mildly frustrating to think that you've
solved a problem and then you have to go back and solve it
over again. Yes. And and we have bigger fish to fry and yes, we
know that we do we we don't need to be reinventing this all over
again.
Adam Curry: No, no, and we will Oh auth will do for you. Pull.
Yes.
Dave Jones: And when you do and when you also when, when you go
to one of these events like, like the Nashville live event,
you realize how powerful this whole thing could be Toya it
makes it it makes it even more frustrating. I
Adam Curry: know what we're gonna we're gonna get there, God
willing, we're gonna get there, and it's gonna be in the cards.
But yeah, just take these things take time. It takes time. And
someone wrote me today and or sent me a link to see if I can
find it's actually worth playing. Something that
President Nixon said. About back. Yeah, big throwback. Let
me see if I can find it real quick. Oh, here it is. This is
50 years ago.
Unknown: We all met in the Lincoln sitting room, as I
recall. Just the one she came down. Now. That's not the one.
This is the one. Here we go. I think this is the one from the
23rd of July. Nope, that's not the one.
Adam Curry: It was. It was very specific about. Let me see. I
don't know if I can find it.
Unknown: Let me see. If I'm lucky.
Adam Curry: May not be lucky at all, just as someone said on my
timeline on. The essence was, of course at the time this was the
Watergate scandal and which you know, is now universally
recognized that he was railroaded. He was railroaded
out of office with this Watergate thing. And yet, here
it is, I found it. Thank goodness, the greatest
Unknown: concentration of power in the United States today is
not in the White House. It isn't in the Congress. And it isn't in
the Supreme Court. It's in the media. And it's too much.
Because it is too concentrated into smaller circle. You have
for example, the Washington Post owning not only the Washington
Post, but the major all news radio station and a television
station in Washington and a major national magazine
Newsweek, you have CBS with its affiliates, you have NBC
controlled by one of the largest corporations in the country, you
have ABC you have a curse thymic. And everybody knows
their stroke with that concentration of power. Let me
say, particularly in the television area, in the
network's it's too much it's power that the Founding Fathers
would have been very concerned about.
Adam Curry: So I love this because, you know, my answer was
well, yeah, but that power just just like everything else is
eroding. Slowly, and then it will go very fast all of a
sudden, because look at Joe Rogan, you know, supposedly 10
million listeners per show, maybe let's make it five doesn't
matter, Tucker Carlson. Now, big numbers. There's lots and lots
and lots of people doing podcasts. And that power is
eroding. And now you can't you can't be a politician without a
podcast these days, it seems. So you know, there's so for it to
take a while for us to remove the centralized power, which we
effectively have already done it we've removed the centralized
power of the music industry. It's gone. We've removed removed
it, but it will take a while. The erosion happened slowly. But
I saw 1415 How many different bands and artists at at bands
had Bitcoin? They're gonna go out and they're gonna tell
people hey, there's something happening. And those people will
check it out. And then it'll go on and on and on. It takes a
while everybody wants, we want it fast. Want to go one on one
to speed it up? Well, I'm in it for the long haul.
Dave Jones: Reminds me of this at least saves the soul. I don't
know if this will work or not. Resume this old? Obamacare? No.
Does that work? Do you hear that? No,
Adam Curry: it's hard to hear. can crank it sounds like it's
coming through your laptop into your mic. Actually,
Dave Jones: it's actually going through Bluetooth through my
phone into the road caster. You got to crank it up.
Unknown: I know there we have not all countries in this body
chair, this particular understanding of the protection
of free speech, we recognize that but in 2012 At a time when
anyone with a cell phone can spread offensive views around
the world with a click of a button. The notion that we can
control the flow of information is obsolete.
Yeah, it's not
Dave Jones: you know, you just reverse that and that's anyone
with cell phone the idea that you can control these these
these new avenues is well sir and
Adam Curry: so there's there's the point. Social media Yes,
controllable. Absolutely controllable. Even Mastodon you
know, this, like there's so much going on with ads Millions of
instances, you know, the bigger the instance the more the more
the the sense, the more powerful the censorship is. When someone
says, I just don't want that on my server, boom, you're done.
Podcasting, not so much. Not so much. By the way, I made a huge
pitch for pod paying on no agenda the other day. Yeah, I
was explaining it to Dvorak. I was explaining that you know,
how wasteful Apple is. He says, Wait a minute, so they can use
this for free said, oh, yeah, I'm gonna explain you know, how
they're polling the feeds and everything and, and, of course,
the punch line was and John it runs on blockchain.
Dave Jones: That's when
Adam Curry: I actually I forgot to credit a whole bunch of
people for the work that's done there. So Brian of London
started but you know, obviously, I should have mentioned Alex
gates and
Dave Jones: Moran started it and Alex programmed it. Yeah,
exactly. We launched it. Yep.
Adam Curry: Shall we? Thanks for the call some people here
brother. Yeah, sure.
Dave Jones: We've got Who is this open? Blueberry? Our
buddies. Todd,
Adam Curry: you want me to do? What made you the recent boosts
first? Oh, yeah, good. Yeah. That came in during the live
show. Salty crayon. 555. Jack Holliday heard it on podcasting.
2.0 He says beautiful going right through to the artist.
10 1000s I said from anonymous podcast guru user 10,000 with
10,000 St. Augustine bariga. 20,000. That guy's amazing. He
says perfect start for the weekend weekend boosting up
podcasting. 2.0 I met him at the no agenda Amsterdam meetup. He's
everything you think he is. Man, what do you mean imagine a
Viking who's eight feet tall but weighs 120 20 pounds.
Dave Jones: Oh, well. Yes. Like it's like a beanpole.
Adam Curry: Yeah with a beard and must the whole thing is
perfect sleeves. Yeah, as amazing. Lincoln 3333 Wow,
that's good stuff. There. Sam Ceci Sethi with 1000 SATs. He
says Why should apps give hosts our first party data for free?
We will offer creators services to see their metrics we might
aggregate listen time or value paid. But why should we give
this data for free to host our advertisers? I know for the
industry Sam. DS laughs comes in with 1000 SATs glad to be
invited into the boardroom. You mean Apple can use this for
free? Yeah, he says John was funny about that. He said he
liked that 777 from Sam, we have fixed the wallet and top up
subscribe to your wallet. Now we need to teach people how and why
they should pay. I think the podcasters need to teach their
listeners. But if you can do it, and I'm all for it. Tone record
12345 Shout out to the value for value musicians and artists
participating it last week gathering in Nashville 1000
stats from Sam once you know how streaming stats work, you don't
need to keep asking. Yeah, I disagree. I disagree. My wife
all the time is like oh I didn't check my wallet is empty. It's
been empty for weeks. Okay. 1000 SATs from Sam with audiobooks
users pay in advance with SATs or Fiat or why not pay as you
read? Well there's all these models I'm just I believe in a
value for value model if you can make it work, I'm all for it.
And Sam another 1000 He's a he's drinking his wine. We have
WaveLight categories working we have event and film categories.
We are working with dis dystopia we'll send you details. dystopia
that says it's probably just topia okay good for phase. APIA
Dave Jones: is their is their sister company. Yes for tipping
Adam Curry: 2222 from salty crayon row ducks morning board
boardroom was trying to listen to phantom power artists are on
true fans today and found out it's it's pay to play. Not a
donation. I must pay 13,000 SATs to listen to that particular
podcast and I see no option to connect it back to the lb hub.
The only option is pay $1 per day or $10 a month. Sorry I'll
donate to pod verse but I'm not participating in more pay to
play what happened. Sad face emoji. I don't this is new to
me. I was not aware of this. I don't know. We have. There's the
delimiter. So over to you Dave.
Dave Jones: Now will we get Todd and the girls and boys from
blueberry $300 says from the blueberry team
Unknown: Sakala 20 blades on Ambala.
Adam Curry: Yo brothers and sisters over at blueberry Thank
you very much big supporters of the index.
Dave Jones: Yeah, Julie said maybe Sam's testing something on
ultra fast because I didn't see that either. I mean, I was in
there over the weekend. I think and Don't
Adam Curry: surprises me yeah surprises me.
Dave Jones: I don't think he's I don't know that he made it
paywall I don't know maybe you can tell us what he did. Franco
Celerio or buddy for cast ematic the Italian doctor who's built
the podcast apps on the side $100
Adam Curry: The All right nice
Unknown: 20 is played on am Paulo nice
Adam Curry: nice thank you so much Franco.
Dave Jones: Yeah, thank you Franco appreciate that. Thanks,
guys. We guess booster grams. Let's see. Get pod home. Oh,
that's very very the podcast guru he sent us 15,000 sets all
rock Yes, I'm so happy all of you are out there and happy to
do my part in this podcasting revolution. Such an amazing time
and technology. Good
Adam Curry: to have you here brother. It's good to have you
native 2.0 Guys 20.
Dave Jones: From Steven Ishizu 22,514 sets through fountain he
says bro What an absolute location Daxing is this? This is
the guy's room that we were using.
Adam Curry: He sent us his room number is room number and says
yes we're sorry we're sorry we Doc's you but did you get any
champagne? Did anyone send champagne to his room?
Dave Jones: Stephen is a he's a really great guy. We we hung out
with him later after get some
Adam Curry: food and get all the groupies right in his room. He's
like I can't deal with them right?
Dave Jones: Yeah, he's he's a really really nice guy. Amazing.
See 1500 SAS from RW Nash through the through foundings a
solid show yet again, gents. Thank you. Thank you. And light
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gravelly voice I can't do I'm not I haven't earned that yet.
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Adam Curry: And I use pod page for Korean zookeeper in fact,
and for booster grand ball and I love the service and I'm very
excited to see what more will come I mean, he's showing
chapters now we show and transcripts, doing all kinds of
stuff. It's it's becoming a I mean, I've always liked it. Just
because it's like here's the RSS feed boom it shows up. Tina
designed carrying the keeper.com and she found it and she's done
a lot of these things in her nonprofit life. And, and she
loved the tool she thought it was it was relatively easy to
get it all looking the way she wanted. And it's got a it even
has like a they have a feature where you can call and leave a
voice message. I've
Dave Jones: seen that on different Yeah, I think that's
the thing with the few different platforms now the voice message
thing. Yeah, it's kind
Adam Curry: of cool because you know, people record a message I
can play it in the show. So I'm happy to see Dave there and I
look forward to seeing what what what knew what things I had no
idea that I know what I'm paying them, which is you know, this
real money So I'm glad they're doing well, because that means
they can do more and do more was 2.0. Very exciting.
Dave Jones: It's kind of a good fit because Dave's a teacher,
and that's more like, that feels more like a somebody who would
use pod page is probably somebody who would be very, I
mean, not, it'd be very receptive to, like learning new
things about how to make their podcasts better. Like doing not,
yeah, not not just from like, what do I talk about, like
hosting or whatever. But like all the tools that go around
that thing, like, here's, I guess what I'm saying is like he
does the future of podcasting show with Daniel Lewis, which is
a great show. And so he's like, he's teed. He's already teaching
people who don't know much about the tech. So this is seems like
a good
Adam Curry: fit. And also, they have a pretty nice mobile view.
I can see them adding V for V. Oh, that'd be great. I mean,
becoming an
Dave Jones: app. What I could see is them adding a thing like
Dobby das built for the for bands that
Adam Curry: Bitcoin. Yes, yes, exactly.
Dave Jones: Where you have a pot where you have a QR code, donate
to the Show button.
Adam Curry: Yep, yep, yep. Yep. With a forward Yep. Beautiful
with a forward that would
Dave Jones: be a great service. Yeah.
Adam Curry: It's nice. It's a good service. A new
Dave Jones: new meet as Martin lindskog. $1. Thank you, Marty
Martin, Mark Graham. $1. Thank you, Mark. And that's our group.
Adam Curry: Well, we our value for value. We talked about it.
So there's the thank you portion. Here's the please
support us version. Because you're you're sending it to the
show. And Dave and I are happy to conduct the board meetings
every single week. Dave doesn't doesn't have on his lunchtime of
this should be a day off for me. But I love doing this. I love
helping drive and move the community forward. But it's
really for the index for podcasts index.org You help keep
the machines running help keep the infrastructure in place. And
when you boost us with a modern podcast app, you're actually
supporting the apps and many other people. Let's see, who do
we have in the in the feed right now we have value for sovereign
feeds. Dred Scott, of course, chapters. We now cut a bit to
pod paying. For Brian and we also may see in the
Unknown: episodes, regular Alex was in there. Yeah,
Adam Curry: we got we got Alex gualdo. His node seems to be
down or disconnected. We got to figure that out. Eric peepee.
And he's in there. reflex.io. Of course, that's Spurlock. So
you're supporting the everybody. But we also appreciate your pay
pals. Go to podcast index.org. You'll see down at the bottom on
the homepage, you'll see two red buttons to donate. We should
remove the tally coin if we haven't already, because it goes
nowhere.
Dave Jones: Is a thought so
Adam Curry: we removed that. Do we remove it? Let me say yes,
that's gone. Yeah. So it's just one one big red donate button.
Dave Jones: Steven.
Adam Curry: Oh, we have contracts, contracts, contracts.
Where does that go?
Dave Jones: It goes to Twitter. Okay, here's how this works.
Here's how this works. Okay.
Adam Curry: Don't let me click on that one. Let
Dave Jones: me explain to you how things get onto the website.
Adam Curry: That was a pull request, no doubt people create.
Dave Jones: When I say people, I mean mostly Steven crater
creates it, but some others, they create pull requests, which
then show up in my email from GitHub, which I click on the
link it takes me to GitHub and I immediately just hit merge I
don't even I don't check it
Adam Curry: this could have been a porn site for all we know it
could have been only fans account and it goes to a page to
do community we want to take contracts in a new direction
requires us to move on from a value for value services
Dave Jones: right even crater all the ways what Yeah,
Adam Curry: well maybe we should have that change that might be
might be handy. Thanks. But the left hand button takes you to
PayPal and you can support us that way. We got hijacked
Dave Jones: by I mean it's more of a long way around hijack
because you actually submit a pull request it we hijacked
ourselves that's what this is
Adam Curry: it's a PR hijack is what it is. That's funny. Thank
you crater Steven Crowley
Dave Jones: edge pieces we replaced tally coin with context
when tally coin died and now context is going to
Adam Curry: well, what's the next thing we can do that will
die? I mean,
Dave Jones: Lord have mercy we need we need to stop every time
we need to start linking to people because we're the killer.
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's like the kiss of death. Who wants a
link from us?
Dave Jones: Yeah, no, no, no.
Adam Curry: All right, brother. So no The regular board meeting
time next week, I presume. And with any larger No, with any
luck, I won't be talking to you in tears. This week as I, as I
work as I work on my, I'm going to try it. I can do this. I can
do this. I know I can do this. I know I can do this, this
complete merge this this thing, I can do it, I can do it. Tell
me I can do it.
Dave Jones: You can do it and you just need to make sure you
have an exit strategy, which
Adam Curry: a rollback or rollback plan. Okay, I need
another yet another drive. Okay. I'll wait until I get another
drive to do that. Brother. Thank you very much, Dave. Thanks for
coming in early. I really appreciate it immense and have
yourself a good weekend day to everybody in the boardroom.
Thanks for being here, go podcast and we'll see you next
podcast.
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