1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:04,440 Adam Curry: Podcasting 2.0 for August 9, 2024 episode 188, 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:11,220 nothing. Doodle, hello everybody. It's Friday. Once 3 00:00:11,220 --> 00:00:14,040 again, it is the one day of the week. We all look forward to 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,700 it's amazing. We actually look forward to doing a board 5 00:00:17,700 --> 00:00:21,500 meeting. Why? Because this is podcasting 2.0 where we discuss 6 00:00:21,740 --> 00:00:26,360 all things podcasting, the true nature of podcasting, from days 7 00:00:26,900 --> 00:00:30,560 gone by, from days today and days to come. What am I talking 8 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,920 about? We are the only boardroom that walks our own talk all the 9 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,740 time. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country 10 00:00:36,740 --> 00:00:39,800 and in Alabama, the man whose tail wind is very different from 11 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,540 that of a third of 737, captain's tail wind. Say hello 12 00:00:43,540 --> 00:00:47,260 to my friend on the other end, the one and only. Mr. Dave 13 00:00:47,260 --> 00:00:48,220 Jones, 14 00:00:49,359 --> 00:00:50,499 Dave Jones: that was a lot to get out, 15 00:00:50,500 --> 00:00:54,220 Adam Curry: I know, and I bubbled all over it. I got diary 16 00:00:54,220 --> 00:00:57,160 of the mouth, man, I'm too excited. You need to shorten 17 00:00:57,159 --> 00:01:01,439 Dave Jones: up your your intro. Me reading an audio Well, I 18 00:01:01,439 --> 00:01:04,499 Adam Curry: was trying to be cute and say the man whose tail 19 00:01:04,499 --> 00:01:08,399 wind is very different from that of a 737, captain's tail wind. 20 00:01:08,639 --> 00:01:12,539 But I got this. I fumbled. I fumbled the ball. What can I 21 00:01:12,539 --> 00:01:13,259 say? Fumbled, 22 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:14,940 Dave Jones: fumbled in 23 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:21,680 Adam Curry: coxman, yes, if you're wondering, what is that 24 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,340 about, that's the guy who sits at the end of the rowing Skiff 25 00:01:25,340 --> 00:01:29,420 with a megaphone strapped to his face. He is the coxman, 26 00:01:29,960 --> 00:01:32,120 Dave Jones: also Adams nickname in high school. 27 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:38,900 Adam Curry: Oh so low, low blow. You know, I was, you know, I was 28 00:01:38,900 --> 00:01:44,860 a huge loser in high school. I was a dork. I had the wrong 29 00:01:44,860 --> 00:01:47,320 hair, of course. I had a little bit of those Tourette's 30 00:01:47,320 --> 00:01:51,460 twitches. It was, you know, people, they would literally 31 00:01:51,820 --> 00:01:55,060 piss in the teacher's coffee pot and blame me. I mean, that's how 32 00:01:55,060 --> 00:01:59,980 low I was, good grief, until someone figured out, wait a 33 00:01:59,980 --> 00:02:04,800 minute, you're John Holden on decibel radio. You're that guy. 34 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:10,080 And overnight, overnight I went to, he's cool. He's cool, you 35 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,720 know, I had, like, the, you know, the jocks around me, like, 36 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,100 how he's cool, man, he's with us. 37 00:02:14,699 --> 00:02:19,979 Dave Jones: So, so you're, so you're studio. Like, what do you 38 00:02:19,979 --> 00:02:23,539 call that? Like, a not a pin name, DJ, name my alien. DJ, 39 00:02:23,539 --> 00:02:25,159 name was John Holden, yes, 40 00:02:27,620 --> 00:02:31,520 Adam Curry: that's a great name. Well, thank you. Well, the 41 00:02:31,580 --> 00:02:35,840 reason, well, of course, it was pirate radio. So let me see if I 42 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:40,720 have one of my old jingles. Oh, goodness, I probably had. This 43 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:45,100 is an old cassette recording so for canvassing, 44 00:02:45,100 --> 00:02:55,420 Unknown: a man barely alive, $6 million DJ, Captain John your 45 00:02:55,420 --> 00:02:57,100 pilot of the airway, 1982 46 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,360 Adam Curry: What am I doing here? This is some kind of 47 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,340 Jingle package I was doing. I don't know. Let 48 00:03:06,419 --> 00:03:07,439 Unknown: me listen to that. 49 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:08,520 What did you say? Huh? 50 00:03:09,180 --> 00:03:11,160 Dave Jones: The what? DJ, did you call yourself 51 00:03:11,340 --> 00:03:16,920 Adam Curry: the pilot of the airway, The $6 million DJ, what 52 00:03:18,420 --> 00:03:24,560 is this? This is crazy. Oh yeah, I got Jing Sung, hold 53 00:03:27,620 --> 00:03:29,900 Unknown: on the pirate boat. 54 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,780 Adam Curry: So because it was, it was really pirate radio, you 55 00:03:35,780 --> 00:03:39,740 couldn't use your real name and and I, and this was kind of a, 56 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:45,100 it was basically John Holmes, only who, of course, was a fan 57 00:03:45,100 --> 00:03:45,700 favorite, 58 00:03:46,419 --> 00:03:49,539 Dave Jones: of course, of course, he was, yes, it's not 59 00:03:49,539 --> 00:03:51,219 John Holmes. It's John holds John 60 00:03:51,219 --> 00:03:53,859 Adam Curry: Holden, exactly. Oh, yeah, 61 00:03:54,700 --> 00:03:56,440 Dave Jones: the $6 million DJ. 62 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,660 Adam Curry: Do you hear me going like really, trying to get my 63 00:04:00,660 --> 00:04:03,960 voice down low. Yeah, I like 64 00:04:05,220 --> 00:04:07,740 Dave Jones: the underwater, whatever that was, we would, 65 00:04:07,740 --> 00:04:10,020 Adam Curry: we would bring girls into the studio and put a lot of 66 00:04:10,020 --> 00:04:11,580 reverb on them and get them just 67 00:04:16,620 --> 00:04:24,620 that's like church, pretty much. Wow. I just the archives. I'm 68 00:04:24,620 --> 00:04:27,320 putting it right back in the archives. Is where it belongs. 69 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:28,100 Oh, well, I 70 00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:30,860 Dave Jones: mean, we got we got it now it's living. Is now it's 71 00:04:30,860 --> 00:04:31,280 gonna live. 72 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:33,380 Adam Curry: Oh no, but I have hours of that stuff, 73 00:04:34,280 --> 00:04:38,960 Dave Jones: every minute of it, every minute I love you doing 74 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,160 your own how so you're 19. Oh, no, 75 00:04:42,940 --> 00:04:50,080 Adam Curry: uh, let me see 82 Yeah. Wait, 80 I'm from 64 so I 76 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,400 was so 84 would have been 2018, I was 18. Yeah, just barely 18. 77 00:04:57,940 --> 00:05:01,020 Dave Jones: Just you at the pocket recorder. Be like just 78 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:02,580 John Holden, 79 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,460 Adam Curry: you want to hear an air check? I think I got an air 80 00:05:08,460 --> 00:05:10,380 check. Let me see. Oh, please, let 81 00:05:10,380 --> 00:05:12,300 Dave Jones: me see if I have an air check. Anything of this you 82 00:05:12,300 --> 00:05:13,440 can whip out. Is okay? 83 00:05:13,860 --> 00:05:15,720 Adam Curry: Well, careful what you asked for. Yeah, put 84 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,320 Dave Jones: it back. Let's see what this is. 85 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,280 Unknown: Machine. Up. 86 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:30,260 Mother number, here we go, still stepping high and dressing hip. 87 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,500 I'm not quite sure if they got it all together. 88 00:05:38,180 --> 00:05:38,900 Hi, Fi DHD, hey, 89 00:05:41,500 --> 00:05:49,120 PhD, Mother number two, I love you all the same. I'll say that 90 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:54,640 much. I won't let you down. Fantastic. 74 decibels to go 91 00:05:55,900 --> 00:05:59,920 move it and groove it and have fun with it. PhD, and I won't 92 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:01,860 let you done. Hi, Jackie, how you doing? Hey, 93 00:06:06,420 --> 00:06:07,920 Adam Curry: Jackie, hey, Jackie, how you doing? Man, 94 00:06:10,860 --> 00:06:12,600 Dave Jones: that is amazing. I've 95 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,960 Adam Curry: come a long way, baby, come a long way. Do you 96 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:16,440 swell 97 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,500 Dave Jones: with pride seeing how, how amazing, how awesome 98 00:06:19,500 --> 00:06:21,380 you were at that young age so 99 00:06:21,380 --> 00:06:23,360 Adam Curry: creepy. I mean, there was other stuff. Someone, 100 00:06:23,420 --> 00:06:29,900 someone tweeted me the other day. You know, it was 30 years 101 00:06:29,900 --> 00:06:33,800 ago. In fact, they sent me the episode for August 8, I think, 102 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:42,820 let me see August. Let me see so a show from 30 years ago called 103 00:06:42,820 --> 00:06:49,360 rave radio. Okay, I don't know if I have that exact episode, 104 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:56,260 but it was basically this. It was basically house music, yeah, 105 00:06:56,260 --> 00:07:01,080 yeah. See if I can find a break somewhere 106 00:07:03,180 --> 00:07:05,100 Dave Jones: 30 years as you were 29 107 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,100 Adam Curry: Yeah, I was doing rave radio from the New Jersey 108 00:07:08,100 --> 00:07:12,420 warehouse. And this was, you know, this was literally house 109 00:07:12,420 --> 00:07:17,460 Chicago warehouse. Trans, I can't find a break there. DJ 110 00:07:17,460 --> 00:07:20,120 Tiesto was pretty famous. He grew up listening to me on the 111 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:20,720 radio, 112 00:07:22,460 --> 00:07:24,080 Unknown: really, yeah, yeah, 113 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,120 Adam Curry: I've been around, baby. I'm old. 114 00:07:28,460 --> 00:07:31,280 Dave Jones: So the New Jersey warehouse. What is this? Well, I 115 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:31,760 was 116 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:36,440 Adam Curry: living in New Jersey at the time, hello, okay, and so 117 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,860 I would do this weekly show called rave radio radical. 118 00:07:39,860 --> 00:07:43,120 Dave Jones: But you were at MTV at the time. Yes, 119 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:44,980 Adam Curry: I was, but I was doing it for Dutch radio. 120 00:07:45,820 --> 00:07:49,000 Dave Jones: I always forget that you, that you did a duel, that 121 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,580 you were MTV and you were still on the radio at the same time 122 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:51,940 that 123 00:07:53,140 --> 00:07:56,020 Adam Curry: 100 and yeah, I was doing, I was doing all kinds of 124 00:07:56,020 --> 00:07:58,960 stuff, and Adam curry top 30 hit list. 125 00:08:01,900 --> 00:08:04,200 Dave Jones: I just want that. I just want the underwater 126 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,860 standard. But for podcasting 127 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,240 Adam Curry: anyway, I'm in a, I'm in a freedom kind of mood 128 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:19,320 today. Mr. Jones, I am just feeling so good about what, what 129 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:23,180 we've created here, what we've built our community. And, you 130 00:08:23,180 --> 00:08:27,500 know, screw the advertising, screw the money, just the fact 131 00:08:27,500 --> 00:08:31,220 that we have built something that is available for everybody, 132 00:08:31,220 --> 00:08:36,140 everybody can use. You know, there's no, there's there's no 133 00:08:36,140 --> 00:08:40,840 de platforming. That was kind of interesting. James jumped in to 134 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:47,800 defend us. Of someone who had, I think guys, was it Bitcoin 135 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:52,060 audible.com, or something, and they have a podcast, and they're 136 00:08:52,060 --> 00:08:54,700 like, we're not showing up in the search results. Those guys 137 00:08:54,700 --> 00:08:57,580 are shadow banning us. Shadow, 138 00:08:58,779 --> 00:09:00,599 Dave Jones: please, no, yeah. Yeah. 139 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,000 Adam Curry: And James looked into it, it's like, well, you 140 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,460 know, you have like, 15 duplicates, and you have 8000 141 00:09:05,940 --> 00:09:09,720 redirects. You know, it's possible that you have a lot of 142 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:15,000 stuff going on at the index is a little confused about about who 143 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,360 you are and what someone's looking for, but possible and 144 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,380 probably and probable, yeah. But it really just accentuated for 145 00:09:21,380 --> 00:09:26,480 me. I'm like, but this is so awesome now, it's just awesome, 146 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:32,360 you know, just I'm looking at what's happening in in social 147 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:36,860 media, which to me is it's, you know, we're in social media wars 148 00:09:36,860 --> 00:09:40,340 right now, and I don't mean people warring with each other, 149 00:09:40,700 --> 00:09:47,020 but here's an example. So Facebook got kicked out of 150 00:09:47,020 --> 00:09:49,540 Turkey a, I have to say Turkey A, because it's no longer 151 00:09:49,540 --> 00:09:52,300 Turkey, you know, it's like, you can't name it, you know, I want 152 00:09:52,300 --> 00:09:55,840 to have a chicken Kyiv and I have turkey a for Thanksgiving, 153 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:01,560 yes. So with stuffing, with stuffing, exactly. Exactly. And 154 00:10:01,560 --> 00:10:07,260 I know that that X has not been kicked out of out of Turkey a 155 00:10:07,620 --> 00:10:11,520 because all kinds of sanctions have been made for them to stay 156 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:16,620 on. And, you know, there's a lot right now of people on Twitter 157 00:10:16,620 --> 00:10:19,560 like, Hey, man, I'm so happy Elon bought it. And, you know, 158 00:10:19,560 --> 00:10:23,840 freaking my speech, man. And like, do you fools? You 159 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,780 remember, it's always fun when it's the other team that's being 160 00:10:26,780 --> 00:10:30,860 censored, yep, and, and I'm trying to remind people of that, 161 00:10:30,860 --> 00:10:33,980 because they get this whole idea, like, oh so great, by the 162 00:10:33,980 --> 00:10:36,560 way. It doesn't matter what you post on social media anywhere 163 00:10:36,560 --> 00:10:39,680 anymore. Doesn't matter this, like, turd swirling around in a 164 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:39,980 pot. 165 00:10:41,179 --> 00:10:43,359 Dave Jones: Yes, it is, you know, it'll make it just as much 166 00:10:43,359 --> 00:10:44,139 difference. That's 167 00:10:44,140 --> 00:10:46,180 Adam Curry: right, you know, it's freedom of speech, not 168 00:10:46,180 --> 00:10:50,140 freedom of reach. So you really don't know who's seeing your 169 00:10:50,140 --> 00:10:55,000 stuff. You know, x is now removed in the timeline, at 170 00:10:55,000 --> 00:11:00,100 least the Repost counts and the like counts. So when you're 171 00:11:00,100 --> 00:11:03,780 scrolling by, you don't see that anymore, only the number of 172 00:11:03,780 --> 00:11:06,900 views, which is, of course, highly manipulatable. 173 00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:07,920 Dave Jones: Oh yeah, 174 00:11:07,919 --> 00:11:10,379 Adam Curry: you can manipulate that better than you can with 175 00:11:10,619 --> 00:11:16,439 with likes and with reposts. So you know, I'm just seeing like 176 00:11:17,519 --> 00:11:20,659 we're all running around trying to communicate something, 177 00:11:20,659 --> 00:11:24,139 thinking that we're publishing, or where we're saying something 178 00:11:24,139 --> 00:11:30,079 to the world. You're not, you're not. And what's left is really 179 00:11:30,199 --> 00:11:34,219 RSS feeds of blogs and podcasts. That's the only thing I see 180 00:11:34,219 --> 00:11:37,759 left. Yeah, you've gotten over virality, but that's not 181 00:11:37,759 --> 00:11:38,839 important anymore. I 182 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,379 Dave Jones: can't believe somebody thought we shadow 183 00:11:41,379 --> 00:11:45,999 banned him, like that's just not even well, ban you. You're 184 00:11:45,999 --> 00:11:47,919 You're banned. I mean, it's pretty well. 185 00:11:48,639 --> 00:11:50,619 Adam Curry: It's, you know, I don't blame them, because that's 186 00:11:50,619 --> 00:11:54,339 the thinking we've gotten to and whenever someone is not doing 187 00:11:54,339 --> 00:11:57,459 well on YouTube, but a shadow banning me, maybe you just suck. 188 00:11:57,519 --> 00:12:01,739 Yeah, it's possible. Maybe just no one cares, right? Yeah, you 189 00:12:01,739 --> 00:12:04,199 know, I even went into the 190 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,660 Dave Jones: Julie crab Bitcoin audible. There's like 800 of 191 00:12:06,660 --> 00:12:10,500 these things index in there, and the the album art for them is 192 00:12:10,500 --> 00:12:12,300 called shit coin, insider, 193 00:12:14,220 --> 00:12:18,240 Adam Curry: okay, well, Chad, f you know, it doesn't nostr, 194 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,660 because chassis, maybe we should use nostr. It doesn't matter. It 195 00:12:20,660 --> 00:12:24,800 doesn't matter. You know, you're talking to a very limited crowd 196 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,920 of people, and that crowd of people will be great if, if you 197 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,620 just want to talk to a few people, same with Mastodon, 198 00:12:30,620 --> 00:12:33,380 that's all you get. That's what it is. We have to get away from 199 00:12:33,380 --> 00:12:36,860 this I'm publishing. There's no more virality. When the 200 00:12:36,860 --> 00:12:40,960 journalists left Twitter, you never see a news article 201 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,900 somewhere saying, according to this posted on Twitter. No, 202 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,680 yeah, you don't see that anymore. You know that that 203 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:51,640 bridge has been broken. So it really doesn't matter, which is 204 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:56,440 why I feel, once you get past that, and I don't really post 205 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,320 stuff anyway, I might respond maybe to someone who has 206 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,860 something to say, even when they say something ugly, I usually 207 00:13:01,860 --> 00:13:05,340 just move on. But once you get past it and you just realize 208 00:13:05,340 --> 00:13:07,740 that the people who are listening to you on your 209 00:13:07,740 --> 00:13:11,400 podcast, that's it. You're not going to be Joe Rogan. And by 210 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:15,420 the way, I went to the YouTube Joe Rogan YouTube channel, man, 211 00:13:15,420 --> 00:13:19,140 there is a big difference in view numbers depending on 212 00:13:19,140 --> 00:13:23,840 guests. I mean, he's only pulling in three 400,000 for 213 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,360 many of these guests, and you get a Jordan Peterson that goes 214 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:30,200 to 3 million. But otherwise, it's really dropped off. It 215 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,560 drops off a lot. I think people are losing interest, in general, 216 00:13:33,560 --> 00:13:38,900 in the idea of, well, I don't know what it is. Let me not make 217 00:13:38,900 --> 00:13:41,320 any assumptions, but, well, 218 00:13:41,560 --> 00:13:44,140 Dave Jones: I've got, I mean, I've got an idea. I think it 219 00:13:44,140 --> 00:13:49,120 might be because of that. That's that effect that we've seen over 220 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,760 and over, that people have talked about, that when you go 221 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:56,560 exclusive to Spotify, you lose your audience. Yeah, you lose 222 00:13:56,560 --> 00:13:59,260 relevance, you lose audience. And then when you come off of 223 00:13:59,260 --> 00:14:02,700 exclusive, exclusivity to Spotify. You're never your 224 00:14:02,700 --> 00:14:07,980 audience is never the same that, yes, it's you take a hit when 225 00:14:07,980 --> 00:14:11,520 you do that deal and then you never get it back. 226 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:17,340 Adam Curry: I agree, but a lot broke. And what I think really 227 00:14:17,340 --> 00:14:21,980 happened is, besides, well, for Joe Rogan, that specifically, 228 00:14:21,980 --> 00:14:32,480 maybe, but the there was a decoupling from legacy media and 229 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:37,760 and, quote, unquote, new media. They just don't talk about it 230 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:38,240 anymore, 231 00:14:39,679 --> 00:14:42,699 Dave Jones: you see. So tell me what you mean. So not following 232 00:14:42,699 --> 00:14:43,179 exactly. 233 00:14:44,620 --> 00:14:47,500 Adam Curry: So the same the same thing, like anything that used 234 00:14:47,500 --> 00:14:52,240 to happen on Twitter or wherever would show up somewhere on 235 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,360 television. Now I'm talking really probably more cable news 236 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:59,800 than anything, but and Tucker Carlson may be a great example. 237 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,560 Yeah, you know, he might as well be dead everywhere except Tucker 238 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,800 carlson.com and I pay for his network. You know, I support him 239 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,580 that way. And you know, okay, then he puts something on x, and 240 00:15:11,580 --> 00:15:15,060 it says, oh, 8 million 800 million views. Okay, whatever I 241 00:15:15,060 --> 00:15:18,960 mean. You have no idea what that even means, but he has an 242 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,500 audience, and he's talking to that audience, and that is 243 00:15:21,500 --> 00:15:24,320 meaningful to him and that audience. And maybe someone 244 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,600 says, Hey, you should see what this guy did, and I'll go take a 245 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:30,740 look at it. But Gone are the days of something sparking 246 00:15:30,740 --> 00:15:33,980 virally, and then everyone's talking about it's just not like 247 00:15:33,980 --> 00:15:38,420 that anymore, because the mainstream has what even is 248 00:15:38,420 --> 00:15:40,780 mainstream it is. I think we've really gotten into this 249 00:15:40,780 --> 00:15:49,540 completely desegregated media landscape where everyone is on 250 00:15:49,540 --> 00:15:54,280 their own little island, and there may be crossover, but the 251 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:58,240 days of one big voice, I think, are gone. It's not Joe Rogan 252 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:02,220 anymore. It's not Tucker Carlson. It's nobody. Nobody is 253 00:16:02,220 --> 00:16:06,480 the big voice. Look at look at Trump. He can't get his message 254 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:11,100 out the way he used to. It's not the same. I mean, it's hard for 255 00:16:11,100 --> 00:16:13,620 me to explain, but it's just not the same anymore. 256 00:16:15,419 --> 00:16:24,439 Dave Jones: Did you see, yeah, I agree. And did you see CNN is 257 00:16:24,439 --> 00:16:27,859 like, they're, it's bad. They're, oh, they're numbers 258 00:16:27,859 --> 00:16:32,239 they had, yeah, they Paramount is going to cut 15% of the 259 00:16:32,239 --> 00:16:40,399 staff. See CNN writes down to $6 billion Sure, I saw it. I'm 260 00:16:40,399 --> 00:16:42,879 trying to find the story, because I saw it this morning. 261 00:16:42,999 --> 00:16:47,559 Says it was specifically about CNN, pretty 262 00:16:47,919 --> 00:16:49,659 Adam Curry: brutal. That was an older story. 263 00:16:49,659 --> 00:16:52,299 Dave Jones: Let me check my No, this is this is new. Though. 264 00:16:52,359 --> 00:16:56,559 This is new because I thought it was old originally, too. But 265 00:16:56,559 --> 00:17:02,039 it's actually because they just announced their numbers, the CNN 266 00:17:02,039 --> 00:17:06,359 announced their financials either yesterday or the day 267 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:12,779 before. I can't, I can't find it at the moment. But what it was 268 00:17:12,779 --> 00:17:14,939 bad. I mean, there's a meat there's layoffs, and a lot of 269 00:17:14,939 --> 00:17:18,899 stuff is happening there, but it's pretty nasty. But I think 270 00:17:18,899 --> 00:17:22,519 it's all like we, which we've been trying to watch the the 271 00:17:22,519 --> 00:17:23,179 Olympics. 272 00:17:24,620 --> 00:17:27,140 Adam Curry: They lost me on that opening ceremony. Man, I was so 273 00:17:27,140 --> 00:17:30,500 soured just by everything. I'm like, screw these guys. I'm not 274 00:17:30,500 --> 00:17:33,680 interested anymore. But okay, you're watching. Yeah, 275 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,160 Dave Jones: I got through it, and we didn't watch the opening 276 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,720 thing. So we're so we're just trying. We're just trying to 277 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:46,840 watch, oh, man, the advertising is just, yes, it's off once off 278 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:51,160 the hook, once you're dead, like once you're out of that mindset 279 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,920 for a while, and you try to go back into it, it's just 280 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:58,660 unwatchable. It's unwatchable. The only saving grace is that 281 00:17:58,660 --> 00:18:02,400 we're watching it on YouTube TV, and so we can skip through that 282 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,400 stuff, but it is just, it's pharmaceutical ad after 283 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,880 pharmaceutical ad after Pharma. That is the only thing that's on 284 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:14,220 there. Yeah, and there's 100 of them the whole time. It like, 285 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:19,380 it's just non stop. It's non stop. And of course, it's gonna, 286 00:18:19,380 --> 00:18:22,160 I mean, it's gonna have this effect. I mean, you're going to 287 00:18:22,700 --> 00:18:24,800 your people are just going once they see that there's an 288 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:31,940 alternative, you know, podcast, you know, there. Why would you 289 00:18:31,940 --> 00:18:32,780 go back? Well, 290 00:18:32,780 --> 00:18:36,440 Adam Curry: also, I'm seeing a large, oh, let me use the word 291 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:43,180 uptick, large uptick when we go live. That's what is. That's 292 00:18:43,180 --> 00:18:47,980 what turns people on. The idea of, and when I say live lit, 293 00:18:49,780 --> 00:18:54,160 which no agenda has been doing for 15 years, you know, at any 294 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,040 given time when we start off the show, we're between two and 3000 295 00:18:57,460 --> 00:19:01,740 people listening live on a Thursday or a Sunday. I mean, 296 00:19:01,740 --> 00:19:06,240 that's, I find that pretty awesome. That's significant and 297 00:19:06,300 --> 00:19:09,420 and I really try to interact. Let me see what the listener 298 00:19:09,420 --> 00:19:12,840 count is right now, and I try to really interact with them. So 299 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,240 now, right now, we have 93 people listening live. They're 300 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:21,860 probably all 2.0 people. But the interaction, the direct 301 00:19:21,860 --> 00:19:26,060 feedback, it adds some kind of dynamic that I can't really put 302 00:19:26,060 --> 00:19:30,260 my finger on, that even people who listen to the podcast enjoy. 303 00:19:31,220 --> 00:19:35,240 So when they're listening to it after the fact, there's there's 304 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:40,340 something big there that that we're not quite able to describe 305 00:19:40,820 --> 00:19:47,440 or put into into numbers or defined, but there's something 306 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,940 about it that really the people like it, the people 307 00:19:52,660 --> 00:19:55,360 Dave Jones: here, take take it to the people. 308 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,340 Unknown: Take it to the people. Boy, take it to the people. 309 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:02,940 Dave Jones: Well, I, I, I took. A foray this week, a foray, a 310 00:20:02,940 --> 00:20:05,880 foray, which is why my audio was messed up this morning. Uh huh, 311 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:06,060 you. 312 00:20:06,060 --> 00:20:06,960 Adam Curry: What were you doing? 313 00:20:07,020 --> 00:20:09,000 Dave Jones: Not this morning, but well again, were you? Were 314 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,300 Adam Curry: you cheating on me? We on another show? No, I 315 00:20:12,660 --> 00:20:17,580 Dave Jones: will. I was flying solo. What did you do? I did. I 316 00:20:17,580 --> 00:20:21,920 narrated two audio books and posted them as RSS feeds. Oh, 317 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:27,320 wow, yes, full on audio books. Well, I mean, they're, they're 318 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:28,160 short stories. 319 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,920 Adam Curry: Tell me what are they called? Well, if 320 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:32,780 Dave Jones: you look, if you go to the index and search for 321 00:20:32,780 --> 00:20:38,780 Clark, yes, your middle name, yes. Thank you, Clark, if you 322 00:20:38,780 --> 00:20:42,400 search for Clark, Ashton Smith, A, S, H, T O N, 323 00:20:43,420 --> 00:20:46,060 Adam Curry: murder in the fourth dimension. Yes. 324 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:48,100 Dave Jones: And the devote. Those two, top two are me, 325 00:20:48,100 --> 00:20:50,380 devotee in the fourth dimension, and the devotee, well, 326 00:20:50,380 --> 00:20:52,660 Adam Curry: you obviously know what I'm gonna do right now, 327 00:20:52,660 --> 00:20:54,220 don't you? Oh, 328 00:20:54,220 --> 00:20:55,840 Dave Jones: yeah. Thank you. Appreciate that. 329 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,100 Adam Curry: Oh, okay, pod sage, 330 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,880 Dave Jones: the following pages are from a notebook. Oh, it was 331 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,220 discovered lying at the foot of the oak tree. This 332 00:21:05,220 --> 00:21:06,660 Adam Curry: is better than John Holden. 333 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,160 Dave Jones: No, nothing's better than John Holden. They would 334 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,680 have been dismissed immediately. Oh, I 335 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,440 Adam Curry: like it. Oh, I'm listening to this. Oh yeah. Oh 336 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,200 yeah, I'm listening to this beautiful I did 337 00:21:19,500 --> 00:21:21,620 Dave Jones: it for a couple of reasons. I've been wanting to do 338 00:21:21,620 --> 00:21:24,380 this for a while. I think you knew, I think you knew I wanted 339 00:21:24,380 --> 00:21:25,700 to do some audio books, sure, 340 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,180 Adam Curry: sure. But what beer Are you drinking? By the way, is 341 00:21:29,180 --> 00:21:32,120 that a PABs blue ribbon or no, 342 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:38,240 Dave Jones: it's a Michelob Ultra. Okay, the so I thought 343 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:43,600 about for a while, and there needs to be more content out 344 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:49,180 there that's actually tagged as medium audio book. Yes, I agree. 345 00:21:49,180 --> 00:21:54,640 So there's this. There's lots of audio books out there, but not 346 00:21:54,940 --> 00:21:57,580 but hardly any of them are tagged appropriately with the 347 00:21:57,580 --> 00:22:05,280 medium tag. So I've taken it upon myself to do this work. So 348 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:10,320 I'm going to start narrating. Is I'm I enjoy it, I like it. 349 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,160 Adam Curry: I can't I can't wait to listen. I can't wait to 350 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,060 listen. I'm totally digging that idea. Brother, it's awesome. And 351 00:22:18,060 --> 00:22:20,660 Dave Jones: with and so also this get as there's a dual 352 00:22:20,660 --> 00:22:22,760 strategy here, uh huh, because it 353 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,460 Adam Curry: also one is, one is exit strategy to get rich. 354 00:22:25,460 --> 00:22:27,140 Obviously, yes, 355 00:22:27,620 --> 00:22:32,720 Dave Jones: and it's working out great. So far, all my SATs come 356 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,180 from myself, making sure it works on casting magic. So 357 00:22:35,180 --> 00:22:36,800 that's great. At Five SATs a minute, 358 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,320 Adam Curry: yeah, I know I'm very familiar with this. 359 00:22:40,580 --> 00:22:43,000 Dave Jones: Not exactly, not exactly torching the helipad 360 00:22:43,300 --> 00:22:48,460 screen at the moment, but, um, the other, the secondary, uh, 361 00:22:48,460 --> 00:22:53,140 thing is that I want to see how, I want to get a better feel for 362 00:22:53,140 --> 00:22:57,640 how the podcast hosting company UIs worked. Ah, that's 363 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:58,240 Adam Curry: a good idea. I'm 364 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,620 Dave Jones: going to spread these around. The first two I 365 00:23:01,620 --> 00:23:06,420 did on RSS blue because I have, because I knew that, I knew that 366 00:23:06,420 --> 00:23:11,760 his the Dovi dos interface right up front, like as part of the 367 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,420 creation process, it asks you, what kind of content is this? Is 368 00:23:15,420 --> 00:23:18,960 it podcast? Is it music? Is an audio book. So I'm like, Okay, 369 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,340 I'm going to RSS blue first, because it's going to ask me at 370 00:23:22,340 --> 00:23:25,580 the beginning, is it an audio book? And I'm going to say yes, 371 00:23:26,120 --> 00:23:32,360 so that's, oh, I put two on there. Now I'm going to probably 372 00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:38,540 go to rss.com because I think Alberto has audiobook medium 373 00:23:38,540 --> 00:23:41,920 support on there, if I'm not mistaken. So I'm just gonna 374 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,220 spread the love around. How I'm gonna pay for it all, because 375 00:23:45,220 --> 00:23:49,360 I'm gonna monthly, you know, different podcast host, not sure 376 00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:50,680 how this will work out. Everybody 377 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,140 Adam Curry: have a free tier you can take advantage of 378 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,400 Dave Jones: not I want to pay for my stuff, so I'm I want to 379 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,800 support these guys too. Yeah. So the Yeah. So far, it was a fun 380 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:06,600 experience. It was a like, RSS blues interface was really easy. 381 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:14,760 And I would like, I noticed in there, and I think at least also 382 00:24:15,540 --> 00:24:22,940 rss.com, and pod home, and I know, and blueberry, I think 383 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:31,220 those also support live. So my what I would like to do is do a 384 00:24:31,220 --> 00:24:37,460 live audio like live reading of some short stories, just to get 385 00:24:37,460 --> 00:24:39,740 the fee again. This is just to get the feel for what is so I 386 00:24:39,740 --> 00:24:42,220 can record it as I'm doing it live, go back, clean it up 387 00:24:42,220 --> 00:24:44,080 later, and then publish it nice. 388 00:24:44,620 --> 00:24:47,980 Adam Curry: Yeah, I like that. I like it just 389 00:24:47,980 --> 00:24:50,680 Dave Jones: like 30 minutes, you know, 20 to 30 minutes of 390 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,480 reading, and it's fun. 391 00:24:52,540 --> 00:24:58,600 Adam Curry: Now, are these books that you get off of? What's the 392 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,420 what's the site I'm thinking of? The Oh, 393 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,200 Dave Jones: you're thinking of like Gutenberg. Gutenberg Press, 394 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,160 yeah. Gutenberg, no, I've gotten most of these books and in 395 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:09,120 physical copy, 396 00:25:09,180 --> 00:25:12,120 Adam Curry: but they're but they're in in the public domain. 397 00:25:12,540 --> 00:25:14,400 Dave Jones: They are, yeah, yeah. I 398 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,800 Adam Curry: think we discussed that. I tried that once. One of 399 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:24,200 my favorite books as a kid was Tom Swift by was it Appleton, I 400 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,820 think, which was basically a a combo name was a whole bunch of 401 00:25:28,820 --> 00:25:31,040 writers, but they all were under the something something. 402 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:37,280 Appleton, and some of them are from 1899 and stuff. And it's 403 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,660 all about Tom Swift and his dad. And Tom Swift is an inventor. So 404 00:25:40,660 --> 00:25:44,020 every book was Tom Swift and his flying machine, Tom Swift and 405 00:25:44,020 --> 00:25:49,840 his submersible, Tom Swift and etc, etc. And I started, this is 406 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,820 years and years ago I started, but it was written very much in 407 00:25:55,420 --> 00:26:00,160 the old language of the day. And it would that was pretty racist. 408 00:26:02,620 --> 00:26:06,660 Yeah. And like, I got stuck. I'm like, do I need to change all 409 00:26:06,660 --> 00:26:09,660 these words? What should I do about this? And I gave up. I 410 00:26:09,660 --> 00:26:12,600 might, I might want to revisit that. But yeah, 411 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,300 Dave Jones: the It's always, it's always great to read the 412 00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:19,500 word Negroid exactly as a description, exactly. I'm like, 413 00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:24,020 I'm like, doing it's what do I need to do here? Yeah, 414 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,300 Adam Curry: like, go back and read Huckleberry Finn. Like, 415 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,640 okay, but I like it because you're clearly doing it to 416 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,640 communicate something written that you want to communicate. 417 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,060 And you're not doing it for any other reason. Well, you are. You 418 00:26:38,060 --> 00:26:40,660 have, you have secondary reasons to try it out, but you want to 419 00:26:40,660 --> 00:26:43,900 share something which is which kind of brings me back to my 420 00:26:43,900 --> 00:26:45,100 freedom vibe today. 421 00:26:47,860 --> 00:26:53,260 Dave Jones: The so the the interesting part about reading 422 00:26:53,260 --> 00:26:59,680 these books is that there are these short stories. They're 423 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,780 very calm. They're like, it's very much like you said. The 424 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:10,200 this, the way they're written, is very It's difficult. It's 425 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,640 difficult. It doesn't flow, 426 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,860 Adam Curry: like reading the Bible, yeah, 427 00:27:13,860 --> 00:27:15,720 Dave Jones: exactly. It feels like you're reading the it's 428 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,320 hard to put like the, you know, you try to when you're when 429 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,920 you're reading an audio book, you're trying to act, you know, 430 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,240 you're trying to be an actor. And then, right you it's, it's 431 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:31,940 hard to, like, express yourself when the structure of the words 432 00:27:31,940 --> 00:27:36,140 is so foreign to anything you would ever say or hear anybody 433 00:27:36,140 --> 00:27:38,600 say in regular I don't think this is, I mean, this is 434 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,160 obviously not the way they talked even then. But in 1930 435 00:27:42,580 --> 00:27:49,660 1933 but like, it's so clumsy, you know, it's so clumsy to sort 436 00:27:49,660 --> 00:27:58,000 of, to try to make it sort of flow like this, this area, 437 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,400 again, the soul congealing hideousness, the sense of 438 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,780 eternal falling of myriad harpy like incumbent horrors, like, 439 00:28:07,740 --> 00:28:08,760 what, what? 440 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,960 Adam Curry: Well, what I really like is the timing of this, 441 00:28:13,860 --> 00:28:21,920 where we're being inundated with AI voices, and I can tell you 442 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,880 that will never compare. I will listen to a Dave Jones read 443 00:28:25,940 --> 00:28:31,280 above an AI voice any any day of the week, because there's 444 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:36,560 certain personality and traits that I don't believe can be 445 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:43,840 replicated with computers. You can get something decent or 446 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:48,580 whatever, but to have a true interpretation, I mean, that 447 00:28:48,580 --> 00:28:51,460 comes from the soul brother. It comes from a different place. 448 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,640 You know, it's not something that you can replace. 449 00:28:55,540 --> 00:29:00,780 Dave Jones: I did, I did use, I did use AI art for the first 450 00:29:00,780 --> 00:29:06,180 time, it turned out, okay, yeah, okay. I don't think it looks I 451 00:29:06,180 --> 00:29:13,440 don't think it looks horrible. I think it looks like, if you look 452 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,400 at the cover art, I don't think it looks like. It doesn't, to 453 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,860 me, stand out necessarily as AI art. I mean, I think you could 454 00:29:21,860 --> 00:29:26,960 probably tell that it is, but it, it looks sort of old timey 455 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:33,140 to me. Yeah, murder, not great. Yeah, that 456 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,020 Adam Curry: looks okay. There's a knife on the ground. It looks 457 00:29:36,020 --> 00:29:39,920 like it's Mars as a dude, a 458 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,180 Dave Jones: dude he's a dude, like, I mean, I can't, I don't 459 00:29:43,180 --> 00:29:44,620 have, you know, I don't have no. 460 00:29:44,620 --> 00:29:47,320 Adam Curry: You have no. We have you and I, neither of us have 461 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,100 any art jobs. No, that's, you know, would it be better if 462 00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:53,440 someone made something for it? You have Melissa. She probably 463 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:54,580 makes something better for you. 464 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,020 Dave Jones: No, she didn't have time for me. She's got her own 465 00:29:59,140 --> 00:29:59,740 stuff. 466 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,360 Adam Curry: It is the entire use case for AI. My wife doesn't 467 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,440 have time for me, so there you go. Use some AI, yeah, the 468 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,960 wheels are coming off. That thing. The wheels are coming 469 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:10,980 off, I'm telling you now. 470 00:30:11,580 --> 00:30:15,360 Dave Jones: Oh yeah, for sure, yeah. I think I think some, no, 471 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:20,180 I used mid journey. And I think some of those guys like that 472 00:30:20,180 --> 00:30:29,300 have they for their Let me qualify this. They have their a 473 00:30:29,660 --> 00:30:35,000 a business strategy, a financial plan that works for them now 474 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:40,040 that financial that that functioning profit, is all based 475 00:30:40,100 --> 00:30:45,520 on the big guys losing money. So because they're they're tapping 476 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:50,680 into somebody a hyperscalers system in order for this compute 477 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,860 time. Yeah, and that is losing money. So yeah, 478 00:30:53,860 --> 00:30:56,140 Adam Curry: once that, once those guys say, hey, we really 479 00:30:56,140 --> 00:30:59,140 got to charge you for this. It's all over. It's all it's over. 480 00:30:59,140 --> 00:31:02,340 Yeah, yeah. But also, if you look at no agenda, Art 481 00:31:02,340 --> 00:31:06,480 generator.com, which, and you know, this used to be all 482 00:31:06,780 --> 00:31:10,920 handmade art, and now a lot of it is AI. It doesn't stand out 483 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,400 anymore. It's like, okay, whatever a lot of it is, yeah, 484 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,120 well done. But, you know, you don't have a good idea to start 485 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,020 with. So it doesn't matter if it's well done or not. It's just 486 00:31:21,020 --> 00:31:25,160 doesn't hit it, you know, just doesn't hate it. Now, I 487 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,280 Dave Jones: did play the music myself. That is me. Ah, that's 488 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:29,900 not generated. 489 00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:31,340 Adam Curry: Nice, nice, 490 00:31:33,740 --> 00:31:34,640 Dave Jones: nice. It's like, 491 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,880 Adam Curry: I'll take it. I'll take it anyway. Whatever you do, 492 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,000 don't, uh, don't try Libsyn with one of these experiments of 493 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,200 yours, because that may not stay 494 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,720 Dave Jones: up very long. No, I figured that's already, uh, 495 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,400 that's, that's already a goner. Let 496 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,220 Adam Curry: me tell you. It's, it's bad news when the CEO 497 00:31:54,220 --> 00:31:57,880 supposedly leaves, you know, maybe we don't know, and no one 498 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,680 says anything. Nah, is it? Because 499 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,080 Dave Jones: they all work from home, and nobody could tell if 500 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:04,440 he left. 501 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,740 Adam Curry: Nobody knew if he was gone or not. I don't know. I 502 00:32:07,740 --> 00:32:11,880 mean that that company has been such a mess financially and 503 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,200 administratively and cap table wise, is just, I don't 504 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,620 Dave Jones: know. Dave Jackson bailed me. Yeah, 505 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:24,380 Adam Curry: he did. He did. Happy for him. Got a nice note 506 00:32:24,380 --> 00:32:27,920 from Brandon. He's like, Oh, did you Yeah, he heard us talking 507 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,460 about, he says, Hey, man, you know, he was very excited about, 508 00:32:31,580 --> 00:32:35,180 what can I do for live stuff? You know, how can we make pages 509 00:32:35,180 --> 00:32:40,160 like the, like the, the live pages for the bands of Bitcoin? 510 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,620 I sent him some examples 511 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,060 Dave Jones: live on pod page would be really cool, right? And 512 00:32:46,060 --> 00:32:49,720 Adam Curry: by the way, I'm so happy to see that or to read 513 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:54,820 that episodes.fm will soon include all podcasts. Yeah, 514 00:32:54,820 --> 00:32:58,900 that's great. I'm very excited, because that that thing kicks 515 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:04,800 ass. I mean, I'm always shooting out the no agenda live and the 516 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:10,080 episodes on, because we do have an iTunes ID on, on episodes.fm 517 00:33:10,860 --> 00:33:13,440 and it's great because people can just say, Oh, hold on a 518 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,740 second. This is the app I use. Click, and if you want, you can 519 00:33:16,740 --> 00:33:20,780 make it always select that, and it's like, huge problem solved. 520 00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:23,480 Dave Jones: Yeah, the only thing holding it back was just the 521 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,820 dependency on iTunes ID. So 522 00:33:25,820 --> 00:33:27,560 Adam Curry: is he going goo? It's now, is that what he's 523 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,420 going to do, is that he's going to work it what? I 524 00:33:29,420 --> 00:33:31,940 Dave Jones: don't know, I don't think he said yet. Well, I'm 525 00:33:31,940 --> 00:33:34,040 Adam Curry: excited about that. I think that is one of the 526 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,520 biggest, the biggest advances we've made in podcasting in a 527 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:38,660 long, long time. 528 00:33:39,380 --> 00:33:42,340 Dave Jones: Yeah, because it obviates the need for the 529 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:42,880 chickens. 530 00:33:43,060 --> 00:33:45,400 Adam Curry: It's a barrage of chicklets. Yeah, 531 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,620 Dave Jones: yes, barrage of chicklets and and also this 532 00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:55,540 begging Apple to support a default podcast player and all 533 00:33:55,540 --> 00:33:58,180 that. Yeah, because that's they're they don't care. They 534 00:33:58,180 --> 00:33:59,200 don't. They're not. They don't. 535 00:33:59,260 --> 00:34:01,860 Adam Curry: No, they don't. It's great. I mean, it's really, 536 00:34:01,860 --> 00:34:05,220 really cool that it truly is. It's one, it's a, it's a great 537 00:34:05,220 --> 00:34:08,160 that was what Apple really brought to the party. You know, 538 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,640 we forget about it, because some of some of us weren't alive back 539 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,120 then. I was flying with this kid. We went up to Dallas. He's 540 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:20,480 28 that's, remember last That was last week, yeah, and So Ed, 541 00:34:20,540 --> 00:34:26,840 the ed is 28 and you know, it's like, he's like, Oh, so you 542 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,120 know, of course, he's heard of me. He's like, so tell me about 543 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:33,020 MTV, man. So when were you born? 1997 I said they weren't even 544 00:34:33,020 --> 00:34:36,440 playing music videos on MTV. When you were born, 545 00:34:36,860 --> 00:34:38,420 Dave Jones: it was all jersey shore by then. 546 00:34:38,479 --> 00:34:40,599 Adam Curry: No, of course, of course, of course. Well, he 547 00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:46,959 knows vivo, yeah, okay, great, vivo. But back in the day, you 548 00:34:46,959 --> 00:34:49,299 know what Apple really brought to the party was a one click, 549 00:34:49,299 --> 00:34:52,359 click, subscribe. You know that was, that was the advancement, 550 00:34:52,359 --> 00:34:57,339 because they had the they had the the distribution, they had 551 00:34:57,339 --> 00:34:58,059 the mass. 552 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,660 Dave Jones: They had still one click, subscribe. App to their 553 00:35:00,660 --> 00:35:06,300 app, sure, sure, yeah, only to them, yeah. So, you know, pod, 554 00:35:06,420 --> 00:35:09,060 pod LP, the yes, 555 00:35:09,060 --> 00:35:13,140 Adam Curry: the lobe, the flip phone app, 556 00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:18,839 Dave Jones: light and capabilities, what? What does 557 00:35:18,839 --> 00:35:22,339 that have? As I was saying, it's like pod, LP, I guess that 558 00:35:22,339 --> 00:35:25,639 means, uh, I've always thought that meant lightweight player, 559 00:35:25,699 --> 00:35:27,379 or something like that. No, I 560 00:35:27,380 --> 00:35:30,140 Adam Curry: don't, I don't, um, well, it's chi OS, I know that 561 00:35:30,140 --> 00:35:34,400 they, they run on us, which is a load OS, which is a good OS, 562 00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:37,880 Dave Jones: maybe pod, maybe LP, means low power, low power. 563 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,600 Adam Curry: Could be, could be, but all that stuff works. We, 564 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,480 we've done, hey, just again. We've done amazing things. This 565 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,460 community is so fantastic. 566 00:35:45,700 --> 00:35:48,880 Dave Jones: But pod LP, he sweet Thomas over there, he's he sent 567 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,300 me a note and said he switched, he switched his back end to 568 00:35:52,300 --> 00:35:57,040 using the index. Oh, excellent, yeah. But he did it in a really, 569 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,540 he did it in a really responsible, good way, which is 570 00:36:00,540 --> 00:36:05,580 the way that I always recommend, if you know people ask about it, 571 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:12,960 which is you, you know you could use us for search and and then 572 00:36:13,020 --> 00:36:16,920 also kind of track the index through the SQL dumps and 573 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,220 through the tracking endpoints. So you're still running a server 574 00:36:20,220 --> 00:36:23,480 yourself, so you're not, you're not wholly dependent on us, so 575 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,840 that, if we go, you know, if we have out, you know, downtime, it 576 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,460 doesn't take out your whole customer base, but you're, it's 577 00:36:31,460 --> 00:36:36,260 just a, it's sort of a hybrid approach, where you're, you're 578 00:36:36,260 --> 00:36:38,660 still running your own thing for your own customers, because 579 00:36:38,660 --> 00:36:40,100 that's your responsibility. You're 580 00:36:40,100 --> 00:36:42,280 Adam Curry: on your own, your own database, during your own 581 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,200 database. I mean, okay, yeah, and 582 00:36:44,860 --> 00:36:47,020 Dave Jones: so, and it's, it's in So Mitch. The reason I 583 00:36:47,020 --> 00:36:49,960 brought one, reason I brought it up is because Mitch is also, you 584 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,160 know, he's re engineering. 585 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,920 Adam Curry: Pod Yes. Welcome back, Mitch. Young Master Mitch. 586 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:57,880 He is back 587 00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:01,440 Dave Jones: pod first. Let's just call it pod verse, next 588 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:01,800 gen, 589 00:37:01,860 --> 00:37:07,260 Adam Curry: next gen, yes, G pod verse, next gen, underwater 590 00:37:07,260 --> 00:37:07,620 version, 591 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,860 Dave Jones: aka John Holden, I can do it here. 592 00:37:14,340 --> 00:37:15,300 Unknown: Podcast, 593 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,280 next pod verse, next gen, 594 00:37:19,739 --> 00:37:23,119 Dave Jones: the rodecaster duo needs a John Holden button where 595 00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:24,739 it makes you sound like you're underwater. 596 00:37:25,099 --> 00:37:27,379 Adam Curry: I bet I can. I can work that one out, and I might 597 00:37:27,379 --> 00:37:30,499 be able to try that. But yes, anyway, he's doing pod verse 598 00:37:30,499 --> 00:37:32,119 next gen, yeah, yeah. 599 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,900 Dave Jones: So he's doing pod verse next gen, and he's doing 600 00:37:35,900 --> 00:37:39,500 it also in the responsible way that you do if you're running a 601 00:37:39,500 --> 00:37:44,560 system, is he's, he's using his own database, but just, you 602 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:51,460 know, syncing things out from us as needed in so he's rebuilding 603 00:37:51,460 --> 00:37:54,880 some error, not rebuilding, but he's building some of the, some 604 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,080 of the SQL stuff right now. Mm, hmm. And I thought we might talk 605 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:00,220 about it for a minute. Yeah, sure 606 00:38:00,220 --> 00:38:02,160 Adam Curry: thing. Sure thing. By the way, I also saw that he 607 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,720 was getting some some grief from Apple about not working on 608 00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:10,260 Android Auto, or no, that would be the place Google, because it 609 00:38:10,260 --> 00:38:12,960 works for me. I mean, it works on my Android Auto. I don't know 610 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,040 what they're talking about. 611 00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:19,199 Dave Jones: I think it's got something to do with the 612 00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:25,219 entitlement that is needed to do, to take over, to do an 613 00:38:25,219 --> 00:38:27,019 overlay on top of the screen, 614 00:38:27,260 --> 00:38:29,000 Adam Curry: you need the DEI plugin. 615 00:38:33,739 --> 00:38:37,279 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And that's why that's hard to 616 00:38:37,279 --> 00:38:39,019 get. It's a tough. It 617 00:38:39,020 --> 00:38:42,820 Adam Curry: is tough. He's not, he's not in a group. Yeah, the 618 00:38:42,820 --> 00:38:45,520 draw over, I think that's a selection. Isn't that something 619 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,700 you select? Let it, let this app draw over all screens, or 620 00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:49,240 something. 621 00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:52,059 Dave Jones: Yeah, and it's got something to do with with that 622 00:38:52,059 --> 00:38:54,699 they're saying that he's not doing that, not 623 00:38:54,700 --> 00:38:56,080 Adam Curry: doing not holding it 624 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,500 Dave Jones: right. Yeah, you're holding it wrong, yeah. So he, 625 00:39:00,340 --> 00:39:03,780 so he, so he's building, he's building out his database. And 626 00:39:03,780 --> 00:39:07,200 he was talking about what, you know, so how should I do this, 627 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,400 with these, with features so you have, and I just thought I would 628 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,700 lay out, like, the way our database is structured, because 629 00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:14,940 it's 630 00:39:15,180 --> 00:39:17,820 Adam Curry: kind of just in its first Can I just interrupt you 631 00:39:17,820 --> 00:39:20,960 for a second? And now it's time for sexy sequel. Talk 632 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:29,780 Dave Jones: with Dave Jones, yes, very unsexy. Okay, so we 633 00:39:29,780 --> 00:39:34,220 have, we've got two main tables. They've got a feeds table and an 634 00:39:34,220 --> 00:39:43,660 episodes table. Those have just core RSS tags as columns. So the 635 00:39:43,660 --> 00:39:48,700 feeds table has as the columns, you know, of course, it's got 636 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:58,300 the ID, it's got the title, the URL, the the GUID, I'm sorry, 637 00:39:58,300 --> 00:40:01,440 not the good. Yeah. No. I'm sorry not the good. This got the 638 00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:08,040 the author, and it's got, you know, this gets got these, the 639 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:12,660 iTunes ID. It's got these core things, the last time it was 640 00:40:12,660 --> 00:40:18,060 scanned, previous your a previous URL, one back that it 641 00:40:18,060 --> 00:40:21,380 may have existed in the time that it was added to the 642 00:40:21,380 --> 00:40:24,560 database, just all standard stuff. That's, that's the fees 643 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,880 table, the episodes. Table, same, same deal, ID, title, 644 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:34,520 enclosure, URL, enclosure, type, Description field, all that 645 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,180 stuff. So that's, that's your core two, funk two. Those are 646 00:40:38,180 --> 00:40:42,820 the two biggest tables. Everything, hanging everything 647 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:48,940 extra that's either a podcast, there's a podcasting 2.0 like 648 00:40:48,940 --> 00:40:55,000 feature. Those are all. They all get their own table. So for you 649 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,780 know our our main feeds table is called news feeds for historical 650 00:40:59,140 --> 00:41:04,860 reasons. And there so the per and he was talking about, like 651 00:41:04,860 --> 00:41:08,100 the person tag. He gave this example of a sort of trying 652 00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:10,680 something. He was trying to figure out how to how to schema 653 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:17,220 and the so for us, like we have the news feeds table, which 654 00:41:17,220 --> 00:41:19,920 holds the podcast feeds. And then we have another table 655 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:26,480 called NF, underscore person. And in that table is all this, 656 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:33,740 all the person tag attributes. So you have the name, the URL of 657 00:41:33,740 --> 00:41:37,040 the bio, the pit, you know, the image, those kinds of things, 658 00:41:37,940 --> 00:41:46,960 the role, the group and the role you to then the way that we the 659 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:51,460 way he he was given an example, he said, So, if I have one, if I 660 00:41:51,460 --> 00:41:59,080 have an episode over here with uh, with Adam curry listed, and 661 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:04,680 he has an avatar, yeah, an avatar URL that points to x, and 662 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:10,920 there's another episode with an Adam curry and Avatar pointing 663 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,240 to Y. How can I, sort of, should I try to de duplicate those 664 00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:18,780 things to where there's one Adam curry that exists in the 665 00:42:18,780 --> 00:42:23,360 database, and I'm just referring to that, to that one from all 666 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,940 these places, because I don't, you know, it doesn't seem to be 667 00:42:25,940 --> 00:42:31,040 possible. And my, my answers don't do that. Well, there's 668 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,080 Adam Curry: more than one Adam curry in the world to start 669 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,760 with, right? 670 00:42:34,940 --> 00:42:36,920 Dave Jones: And he, because he was saying, Well, you know, in 671 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,320 order to do something like that, what you would need is, like a 672 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,200 some sort of person. GUID, 673 00:42:41,259 --> 00:42:42,399 Adam Curry: yeah, a poet, 674 00:42:43,180 --> 00:42:48,100 Dave Jones: a poo, have a have a pued, yes. And so, Adam curry 675 00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:52,960 now has a poet of 11264584, some, something like that. Yes. 676 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,040 In the other Adam curry, who's from, you know, Ohio, Oklahoma, 677 00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:01,980 actually, yes, Oklahoma, his pu it is something different and so 678 00:43:02,220 --> 00:43:07,680 but, but that's all. That's just all not necessary. So instead, 679 00:43:07,740 --> 00:43:14,040 just on your in your table, schema for your person tag, just 680 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:19,020 use a multi a multi column index. So make a unique index 681 00:43:19,020 --> 00:43:25,880 that encompasses the name, the URL, the role, that kind of 682 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,820 thing. Because what you're gonna what you're gonna end up with 683 00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:35,480 is, sometimes Adam curry may be the host, other times he may be 684 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:41,020 the guest. Sometimes he may be the producer. So you want, and 685 00:43:41,020 --> 00:43:44,860 you want to capture all of those differences. So if you, if you, 686 00:43:45,100 --> 00:43:48,460 if you uniquely key it on multiple, on a on a multiple 687 00:43:48,460 --> 00:43:53,380 set, then you will encompass, you'll only get one entry for 688 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,340 each of those situations where this Adam curry is truly 689 00:43:57,340 --> 00:44:01,920 different. So you don't have to try to mess with a universal 690 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:07,380 some sort of like globally unique ID, like a PUD and so 691 00:44:07,380 --> 00:44:11,400 that's this. That's sort of the framework for all of the way 692 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:16,080 that that, I think is, I think it's good to lay your stuff out 693 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:20,040 that way, because when you can do joins on, on any of that 694 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,540 stuff, when you need to pull in persons, you can you can join it 695 00:44:23,540 --> 00:44:28,400 in into the into the SQL call. When you need to pull in GUIDs, 696 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,700 you can pull you can pull those in. And it also keeps you from 697 00:44:31,700 --> 00:44:36,020 having to have any sort of table locking, because most, I don't 698 00:44:36,020 --> 00:44:42,040 know how Postgres is, but most database engines will lock the 699 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:47,740 table first for specific for certain changes, like because it 700 00:44:47,740 --> 00:44:52,300 just has to if you're going to add a column or if you're going 701 00:44:52,300 --> 00:44:56,260 to add a foreign key relationship. Some of these, 702 00:44:56,260 --> 00:44:59,080 some of these. And it's sometimes it's very hard to know 703 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,980 which ones are going to. Lock beforehand and which won't. The 704 00:45:01,980 --> 00:45:06,060 documentation will guide you, but you don't know exactly. So 705 00:45:06,060 --> 00:45:11,220 sometimes you can get that pretty nasty behavior and this 706 00:45:11,220 --> 00:45:14,880 unexpected when you go to sort of like, add a column after the 707 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:20,420 fact, or definitely when you delete a column. So if you keep 708 00:45:20,420 --> 00:45:23,540 everything in separate tables, you can do those and that's not 709 00:45:23,540 --> 00:45:27,260 going to affect that's not going to affect your your your 710 00:45:27,260 --> 00:45:32,780 database in production as much. Then the, you know, one thing I 711 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,320 mentioned to him was the only thing that, the only performance 712 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,360 hit you get is because is with deletes. So when you delete, 713 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:41,680 Adam Curry: no, there's got to be a lock. 714 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,580 Dave Jones: Yeah, there's, there's going to be a there's 715 00:45:45,580 --> 00:45:50,620 always a brief lock, because it has to resolve those foreign key 716 00:45:50,620 --> 00:45:56,680 constraints. So when you delete, so like in the person tag table, 717 00:45:56,740 --> 00:46:06,720 example, the person tag is tied to the episode table, and 718 00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:09,900 there's another one tied to the feeds table for those different 719 00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:16,140 scenarios. So let's say that you have, let's say that you delete 720 00:46:16,140 --> 00:46:19,320 an episode that has a corresponding entry in the 721 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:24,020 episodes person table. Well, there's a cascade effect that 722 00:46:24,020 --> 00:46:27,320 happens. When I delete that episode that you were in, it's 723 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,140 going to go delete that Adam Adam curry also out of the 724 00:46:30,140 --> 00:46:35,000 episodes table, because they're constrained together. That's 725 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:39,980 that cascading event. If it's if there's a lot of foreign key 726 00:46:39,980 --> 00:46:44,080 constraints there are a lot of relationships in database terms 727 00:46:44,620 --> 00:46:48,100 that that will cause a performance hit. That's one of 728 00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:52,540 the main reasons that we don't do immediate deletes, because we 729 00:46:52,540 --> 00:46:57,700 don't have the Database Machine horsepower to handle that in 730 00:46:57,700 --> 00:47:01,560 real time. We can't, we can't just do that. We have to have 731 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,180 this lazy delete process. 732 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,660 Adam Curry: What is the timing of that? Because one of the main 733 00:47:07,140 --> 00:47:11,700 support questions I answer is, Hey, man, why is this? I deleted 734 00:47:11,700 --> 00:47:15,180 that and it's still there and, you know, and I do a reset, and 735 00:47:15,180 --> 00:47:15,900 it's all good. 736 00:47:16,619 --> 00:47:20,359 Dave Jones: Now, on the feed level, it's not like that's we 737 00:47:20,359 --> 00:47:26,299 don't really delete anything for sometimes, you know, six months, 738 00:47:26,779 --> 00:47:28,939 but like when you if it's talking about, like a whole 739 00:47:28,939 --> 00:47:33,259 feed, because we try to find which we're trying to make sure 740 00:47:33,439 --> 00:47:35,839 there's two, there's two scenarios where we don't delete 741 00:47:35,839 --> 00:47:43,659 things. One is, if it's still a live feed in in iTunes, and 742 00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,659 because, again, we're constrained, because we have to 743 00:47:46,659 --> 00:47:51,999 stay in sync with these iTunes dependent apps. So if, if the 744 00:47:51,999 --> 00:47:57,879 feed four Oh fours, it will, it will disappear from search, but 745 00:47:57,879 --> 00:48:02,159 it won't die in the index, if it's still got an active iTunes 746 00:48:02,159 --> 00:48:07,199 ID that Apple is providing information for the other the 747 00:48:07,199 --> 00:48:13,319 other thing is, we give a long time, like usually, you know, 748 00:48:13,859 --> 00:48:18,239 about three months before we actually remove a 404, to feed, 749 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,199 just to make sure, we give them plenty of grace period If they 750 00:48:21,199 --> 00:48:23,839 had a system error, and they bring in, they're gonna, it's 751 00:48:23,839 --> 00:48:26,779 gonna come back. So we don't, we don't just immediately remove 752 00:48:26,779 --> 00:48:29,719 it. It just disappears from search temporarily. Then it, 753 00:48:29,899 --> 00:48:36,499 then we give this grace period that's for feeds, for episodes. 754 00:48:38,539 --> 00:48:44,919 That's more complicated, that's a that is a very slow process 755 00:48:45,339 --> 00:48:48,219 that, because it's doing, because the the feeds table 756 00:48:48,279 --> 00:48:50,859 currently is, like, 160 million records, yeah, you 757 00:48:50,859 --> 00:48:52,659 Adam Curry: got to lock that when you, when you delete 758 00:48:52,659 --> 00:48:53,439 something, right? 759 00:48:53,980 --> 00:48:58,960 Dave Jones: Yeah. And we're only deleting, like, you know, 100 a 760 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:04,080 day, sometimes right across. So it, I mean, it can take six 761 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:04,500 months. 762 00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:07,380 Adam Curry: So when I hit, when I hit a reset on the dashboard, 763 00:49:07,380 --> 00:49:10,320 I'm actually locking the database for a delete to be to 764 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:11,400 be performed. 765 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,540 Dave Jones: You are, but it is so fast, okay, because it's only 766 00:49:15,540 --> 00:49:19,980 one, because it's only one feed, if you were to go in there and, 767 00:49:19,980 --> 00:49:26,240 let's say, and do a reset operation on, let's say, 1500 768 00:49:26,540 --> 00:49:29,000 fades at once, you would see it. 769 00:49:29,180 --> 00:49:31,820 Adam Curry: So here's a higher level question regarding this, 770 00:49:31,820 --> 00:49:40,220 because your recommendation for pod verse, Ng and for pod LP, 771 00:49:40,220 --> 00:49:42,700 etc, your recommendation in general, is to have your own 772 00:49:42,700 --> 00:49:49,780 database and sync with us. How can we mitigate the delays with 773 00:49:49,780 --> 00:49:58,180 POD ping expectations? Well, one of the one of the features I 774 00:49:58,180 --> 00:50:02,460 mentioned of podcasting, two point. And modern apps is, hey, 775 00:50:02,460 --> 00:50:05,700 you know when, when we publish our feed, when I say we, I mean 776 00:50:05,700 --> 00:50:09,780 no agenda, typically, within 90 seconds, it'll update in your 777 00:50:09,780 --> 00:50:13,380 app. Well, that's not true, or hasn't been true for pod verse, 778 00:50:13,380 --> 00:50:16,200 because they sync up with our database, and they don't get 779 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:20,720 that information until whenever they sync. What is your 780 00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:22,220 recommendation for that? 781 00:50:25,219 --> 00:50:28,459 Dave Jones: That's interesting. I would say watch. I mean, the 782 00:50:28,459 --> 00:50:32,479 the first recommendation would be watch pod ping yourself, for 783 00:50:32,479 --> 00:50:35,299 sure, because it's not hard to do. It's just one it's a one 784 00:50:35,299 --> 00:50:38,659 liner, you know, in Python, uh, Python script, 785 00:50:38,659 --> 00:50:40,479 Adam Curry: you guys coded it right now while you were talking 786 00:50:40,479 --> 00:50:41,139 was so 787 00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:47,140 Dave Jones: easy. Just get your co pilot. Yeah. I mean, second 788 00:50:47,140 --> 00:50:50,620 to that, it would be, watch the, you know, watch our tracking 789 00:50:50,620 --> 00:50:54,580 endpoints for let's, let's say you have your own database, and 790 00:50:54,580 --> 00:50:59,380 that database for your podcast app has, let's say it has 791 00:50:59,380 --> 00:51:04,260 100,000 feeds in it. You could just watch our you can watch pod 792 00:51:04,260 --> 00:51:08,400 pain, which is the ideal solution, great. Well, actually, 793 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:12,780 that's, that's the good solution. Or even better, first 794 00:51:12,780 --> 00:51:16,920 to encompass feeds that don't have pod pain as well. You can 795 00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,580 watch our tracking endpoint also. So you, you watch into 796 00:51:20,580 --> 00:51:25,160 sort of two fire hoses there, because we publish if you go to 797 00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:26,900 tracking dot podcast index.org/current 798 00:51:31,940 --> 00:51:32,840 Adam Curry: tracking, 799 00:51:33,380 --> 00:51:35,960 Dave Jones: let me make sure it's Cool. I'm not lying here 800 00:51:36,020 --> 00:51:40,960 tracking dot current, current. 801 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:48,520 Adam Curry: Okay, am I gonna get some JSON? Yes, it's loading a 802 00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:57,640 big JSON. Ah, slash, U, 05, DB, slash, Euro, 05, d9, e8, ooh, 803 00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:58,120 sexy. 804 00:51:58,779 --> 00:52:00,299 Dave Jones: Oh yes, good stuff. Okay, so 805 00:52:00,299 --> 00:52:03,299 Adam Curry: this is, this is basically our output of what we 806 00:52:03,359 --> 00:52:05,819 suck in from pod. Ping. So 807 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:10,980 Dave Jones: no, this is, this is our aggregator. Is our this is 808 00:52:10,980 --> 00:52:15,120 what, this is what our aggregator is doing. So the way 809 00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:21,500 this works is every, I think it's once a minute, we post a 810 00:52:21,500 --> 00:52:27,140 new copy of this file. This, this slash current file. So this 811 00:52:27,140 --> 00:52:32,720 is always the the latest thing. So these, this is a list of the 812 00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:38,240 last X number of feeds, and I think it may be episodes as 813 00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:38,660 well. Let 814 00:52:38,660 --> 00:52:40,340 Adam Curry: me check looks like episodes. 815 00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:46,539 Dave Jones: Yeah. So this is the latest X number of feeds and 816 00:52:46,539 --> 00:52:50,919 episodes that we have found, that we have found that have 817 00:52:50,919 --> 00:52:54,699 updated one way or the other one, that, yes, they have 818 00:52:54,699 --> 00:52:58,779 changed. Yeah. So you can, what you can do. The way this is 819 00:52:58,779 --> 00:53:06,719 meant to work is you can? You can? You can hit this end point 820 00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:14,699 first the tracking dot podcast, index.org/current parse the JSON 821 00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:18,359 and look for the previous tracking URL property, which is 822 00:53:18,359 --> 00:53:23,779 right up close to the top. If you then grab that previous 823 00:53:23,779 --> 00:53:29,479 tracking URL stream and put that in your address bar, you're 824 00:53:29,479 --> 00:53:35,899 going to get the one from the previous iteration. So you're 825 00:53:35,899 --> 00:53:38,119 going to, this is like, pay your it's like you're paging 826 00:53:38,119 --> 00:53:39,499 backwards in a database. 827 00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:41,800 Adam Curry: Yes. Thank you for the thank you for the pretty 828 00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,960 print checkbox. That's nice. 829 00:53:44,500 --> 00:53:50,260 Dave Jones: Oh yeah, you're welcome. Yeah, the so if you do, 830 00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:54,040 if you just go in there and then walk, if you get the current, 831 00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,520 the slash current first, then get the previous tracking URL 832 00:53:57,820 --> 00:54:03,480 and walk backwards until you hit the last one that you checked, 833 00:54:04,620 --> 00:54:07,800 then you'll know that you've seen everything that we've seen. 834 00:54:07,860 --> 00:54:08,700 And what 835 00:54:09,359 --> 00:54:12,719 Adam Curry: kind of resources is this just a flat file we output 836 00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,479 that people are grabbing, or is this a database call? 837 00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,540 Dave Jones: This is not a database call, it's a file in 838 00:54:18,540 --> 00:54:22,940 object storage, nice, nice, and it's also cached at Cloudflare. 839 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:28,700 It's not really hitting us at all. Got it. The other way to do 840 00:54:28,700 --> 00:54:31,280 it is with a database call. And this is the way John Spurlock 841 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:36,800 does it. Is he? He does. There's a end point called recent slash 842 00:54:36,860 --> 00:54:41,680 data, and it's essentially this same thing, but you're just 843 00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:45,220 using, you're you're doing re, you know, it's live, it's live 844 00:54:45,220 --> 00:54:49,720 data, instead of, like, a one minute delay. For most people, 845 00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:53,140 this is what I would say would work. He's got some different 846 00:54:53,140 --> 00:54:55,660 needs, and he's already got a system functioning on it, so 847 00:54:55,660 --> 00:54:59,620 it's not that big of a deal. But for most people, the tracking 848 00:54:59,620 --> 00:55:04,740 input. Point, if you, if you're always checking this and then 849 00:55:04,740 --> 00:55:08,580 walking backwards to make sure you've seen everything, sort of 850 00:55:08,580 --> 00:55:12,540 like you plant a marker and then walk back to that marker each 851 00:55:12,540 --> 00:55:15,240 time. Then you're always going to see you'll you'll know you've 852 00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:19,140 got it. It's beautiful. And if you see something that updated, 853 00:55:19,500 --> 00:55:21,500 go pull it. You can pull a fresh copy. 854 00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:24,620 Adam Curry: Was that it for database talk? 855 00:55:27,500 --> 00:55:28,280 Unknown: I guess 856 00:55:29,420 --> 00:55:34,940 Adam Curry: because I was getting a little drowsy, just a 857 00:55:34,940 --> 00:55:36,320 little I'm honest. 858 00:55:37,340 --> 00:55:38,360 Unknown: Well, no, 859 00:55:38,540 --> 00:55:40,660 Adam Curry: it's important. Look, you said, look, 860 00:55:40,959 --> 00:55:41,499 John C Dvorak: look, 861 00:55:44,199 --> 00:55:46,599 Dave Jones: I've got a complicated relationship with 862 00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:47,319 lasagna. 863 00:55:48,460 --> 00:55:50,800 Adam Curry: Okay, that is the ISO of the day. Let me see. 864 00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:52,240 Please grab grab 865 00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,020 Dave Jones: that. The reason I'm bringing this up is because this 866 00:55:56,260 --> 00:56:01,620 you asked, What do you recommend for this type of problem? To me, 867 00:56:01,620 --> 00:56:07,380 this is, like, the microwave power problem. So, like, you 868 00:56:07,380 --> 00:56:12,420 know, the problem with, if you look on the back of any, like, 869 00:56:12,420 --> 00:56:16,440 heat em up food, yeah, it said, you know, sometimes they'll say, 870 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:21,560 like, set your microwave power to 50% and microwave it for this 871 00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:22,700 many minutes. Like, no 872 00:56:22,700 --> 00:56:27,380 Adam Curry: Marty, no, no, no spot, like, check, put your 873 00:56:27,380 --> 00:56:30,680 finger on, okay. Boom, blast again. We all know how we do it. 874 00:56:30,740 --> 00:56:31,100 Yeah, 875 00:56:31,219 --> 00:56:35,059 Dave Jones: exactly in book. And the reason is because nobody 876 00:56:35,059 --> 00:56:38,779 understands what the crap is going on with the user interface 877 00:56:38,779 --> 00:56:43,119 for powers on microwaves, you hit the power button, and then 878 00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:45,759 things start blinking, and you're like, Okay, what? What 879 00:56:45,759 --> 00:56:48,339 does this mean? Am I supposed to hit the power button again, 880 00:56:48,699 --> 00:56:52,539 right? Like, and now it says P, 00, what does that mean? Zero 881 00:56:52,539 --> 00:56:55,059 power and so if I hit start right now, is it not going to 882 00:56:55,059 --> 00:56:58,239 turn on? Like, because we're at zero if I hit and then you're 883 00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,359 like, either because do I hit the power again, or do I am I 884 00:57:00,359 --> 00:57:04,139 supposed to type it in, because this is 50% power, but what I 885 00:57:04,139 --> 00:57:08,339 see on the screen says, P 05, like, what? What does that mean? 886 00:57:08,399 --> 00:57:11,879 Yeah, and if I hit the and if I get to the power that I need, do 887 00:57:11,879 --> 00:57:15,359 I have to hit start right now? Is that going to start out at 888 00:57:15,359 --> 00:57:18,299 this? Or do I need to hit? Or do I need to type the time in 889 00:57:18,299 --> 00:57:20,219 first, then do the power? But 890 00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,980 Adam Curry: it's horrible. And I see, I see Tina sometimes, and 891 00:57:24,980 --> 00:57:27,980 she's like, No, you got to hit this and code two and that, and 892 00:57:27,980 --> 00:57:30,680 then number three. And then it's like, what, you know, all that 893 00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:34,100 stuff. She's got the interface of the microwave down, man. 894 00:57:34,100 --> 00:57:37,160 Like, oh, okay, I had no idea. And 895 00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,500 Dave Jones: then, you know, so when you get to something like 896 00:57:39,500 --> 00:57:45,040 lasagna, where it's dense in the middle, like, so I don't 897 00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:49,060 normally eat lasagna because it's one of those things that 898 00:57:49,060 --> 00:57:52,060 you have to heat eat, like, when you reheat it, well, number one 899 00:57:52,060 --> 00:57:53,920 is, usually got too many noodles in it. 900 00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,560 Adam Curry: It's, like, it's kind of the feature of lasagna. 901 00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:57,580 Well, I 902 00:57:57,580 --> 00:57:59,920 Dave Jones: mean, like, you know what? I'm more likely because 903 00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:03,240 you're gonna have five layers of noodles in a lasagna. I'd rather 904 00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,600 you have, like, cut it down to like, three, okay, and then fill 905 00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,260 the rest up with stuff, you know, with like, sauce and meat 906 00:58:10,260 --> 00:58:13,740 and cheese and all that. So but if you go back, it's so dense in 907 00:58:13,740 --> 00:58:19,260 the middle with all that lasagna noodle like sheets, that when 908 00:58:19,260 --> 00:58:22,580 you go to heat it up in the microwave. You got to use the 909 00:58:22,580 --> 00:58:26,480 power thing, because you'll end up with its cold in the middle, 910 00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:27,140 cold sheets, 911 00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,620 Adam Curry: cold sheets, I know, cold sheets, 912 00:58:30,620 --> 00:58:33,800 Dave Jones: great for sleeping, not good for lasagna. And so 913 00:58:35,180 --> 00:58:38,720 this is the same type of problem when you say, Okay, we have this 914 00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,440 system over here. We have pod ping over here, and we're 915 00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:45,280 getting immediate updates, and then we have this sort of like 916 00:58:46,300 --> 00:58:51,880 Limbo zone between us and this other app. And then how, how do 917 00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:58,360 they get our stuff immediate from pod ping? This is sort of 918 00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:02,940 like trying to figure out power on a microwave like you can, 919 00:59:02,940 --> 00:59:06,480 kind of, you can come up with all these kind of, like guesses 920 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:10,680 as to how you could do it, or you probably just need to watch 921 00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:11,520 pod pain yourself. 922 00:59:12,420 --> 00:59:16,260 Adam Curry: Okay. How does this relate to database talk? I don't 923 00:59:16,260 --> 00:59:16,500 know. 924 00:59:21,719 --> 00:59:26,719 Let me play a song. Okay, let me play a song. And I selected 925 00:59:26,719 --> 00:59:30,859 something that is a throwback to bands of Bitcoin. I don't know. 926 00:59:30,859 --> 00:59:36,919 Have you ever seen Hey citizen perform live? No, the Hey 927 00:59:36,919 --> 00:59:41,439 citizen experience. It is one of the most psychedelic things you 928 00:59:41,439 --> 00:59:47,979 have ever witnessed. He did a, he did a live show, I want to 929 00:59:47,979 --> 00:59:51,999 say, maybe six weeks ago or something. Can't remember 930 00:59:51,999 --> 00:59:55,599 exactly what it was about, but it was, it was just psychedelic, 931 00:59:55,599 --> 00:59:59,799 and he had all the stuff going and multiple cameras and Like. 932 00:59:59,999 --> 01:00:05,099 Like an early, like early Top of the Pops, you know, with with 933 01:00:05,159 --> 01:00:09,539 weird lighting and filters and and then, you know, since it's 934 01:00:09,539 --> 01:00:16,559 super, super cool. So hey citizen, I guess he was part of 935 01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:22,819 the whole Nashville Airbnb experience, and he wrote a song. 936 01:00:23,839 --> 01:00:26,719 He wrote, yes, he wrote a song, and I wanted to share it with 937 01:00:26,719 --> 01:00:29,599 us. So make sure you boost him and let him know you heard it on 938 01:00:29,599 --> 01:00:33,319 podcasting. 2.0 this is to be in Nashville from Hey citizen, 939 01:00:33,499 --> 01:00:34,099 early, 940 01:00:34,100 --> 01:00:38,060 Unknown: and the morning the rain keeps pouring on the 941 01:00:38,060 --> 01:00:44,920 interstate. This loneliness like a truck and the last Lane 942 01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:52,000 forcing me to put on the brakes. I wish I was with my amigos, 943 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:57,100 wearing a speedo and watching the rainbow across the lake, 944 01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:01,920 laughing and cracking balloon gas recording a podcast my 945 01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:07,680 friend makes now I'm driving in the left lane with 20 tons of 946 01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:12,900 steel, but it's still pouring rain behind the wheel, cause I'm 947 01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:17,460 too far gone and I'm falling apart. Check Engine light's 948 01:01:17,460 --> 01:01:23,540 coming on for my broken heart got my engine roaring and my Ray 949 01:01:23,540 --> 01:01:29,480 Oh, but all I hear is that honking Tonk blues. I ain't got 950 01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:36,800 no blue suede shoes. So many miles away from Nashville, where 951 01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:41,200 the billboards are funny and the girls call ya honey. Let me sit 952 01:01:41,260 --> 01:01:46,720 on that Tennessee booze. I'd give the Lord all my whiskey and 953 01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:54,520 my pickup truck to be a Nashville walking the bars on 954 01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:59,980 division thinking of sinning with them Southern women dancing 955 01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:04,740 in the street. It's long gone, and I'm missing it. Man's 956 01:02:04,740 --> 01:02:10,620 fishing. It makes funky feel soup. I never thought I'd be 957 01:02:10,620 --> 01:02:15,960 found a boost in a Honda or late night drama, cause you're 958 01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:21,440 choosing the cake. I'm so sad, cause I wanna eat the lasagna 959 01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:27,320 that my friend makes. Now I'm driving in the left lane with 20 960 01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:32,240 tons of steel, but it's still pouring rain behind the wheels, 961 01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:37,040 cause I'm too far gone and I'm falling apart. Check Engine 962 01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:43,000 light's coming on for my broken heart got my engine Rory and my 963 01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:49,300 radio on, but all I hear is lamb honking Tonk blue shirt I ain't 964 01:02:49,300 --> 01:02:56,860 got no blue suede shoes. So many miles away from Nashville, where 965 01:02:56,860 --> 01:03:01,140 the billboards are funny and the girls call ya honey. Let me sit 966 01:03:01,140 --> 01:03:06,060 on that Tennessee booze. I give Lord all my whiskey and I'll 967 01:03:06,060 --> 01:03:07,980 pick up truck to be in a shoe. 968 01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:32,660 The fireworks was insane, the love we had was real, but it's 969 01:03:32,660 --> 01:03:37,940 still pouring rain. Behind the wheel, those days are gone. 970 01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:43,420 Always had to park check engine lights come on for my broken 971 01:03:43,420 --> 01:03:49,540 heart got my engine rolling and my radio wall, but all I hear is 972 01:03:50,380 --> 01:03:55,540 laying on blue. I ain't got no blue sweaty shoes so many miles 973 01:03:55,840 --> 01:04:03,000 away from Nashville, where the billboards are funny and the 974 01:04:03,060 --> 01:04:08,760 girls call you honey. Let me sit on that 10 and see blues. I give 975 01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:13,080 the Lord all my whiskey and nail shield. I pray that God Almighty 976 01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:18,060 just lift me up. I give him all my 977 01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:21,420 money and my 978 01:04:22,619 --> 01:04:34,459 favorite money and my favorite drink. I know in my heart 979 01:04:34,459 --> 01:04:39,559 there's a God up there. Won't you have some mercy? Hear my 980 01:04:39,679 --> 01:04:46,419 prayer, because I don't want to be anywhere except Nashville. 981 01:04:47,260 --> 01:04:50,980 Adam Curry: I give that five stars, five out of five, five 982 01:04:50,980 --> 01:04:52,840 out of five, baby. That is fantastic. 983 01:04:54,340 --> 01:04:59,500 Dave Jones: I love the song Nashville itself. One star, one 984 01:04:59,500 --> 01:05:01,680 out of five. I love Nash. I 985 01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,080 Adam Curry: like my engine lights on from my heart like, 986 01:05:04,140 --> 01:05:06,840 Oh, that's a great lyric. That's a great line. That's a great 987 01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:07,080 line. I 988 01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,720 Dave Jones: like it, yeah? That was a great that was a great 989 01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:10,320 too. 990 01:05:10,319 --> 01:05:14,159 Adam Curry: Yeah, I got a call from Suzanne Santo. You know 991 01:05:14,159 --> 01:05:14,519 her. 992 01:05:15,659 --> 01:05:17,579 Dave Jones: Why does that name sound really she's been on 993 01:05:17,580 --> 01:05:21,440 Adam Curry: Rogan a couple of times, and she is, she's married 994 01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:26,480 to Nick pizzollato. He's the guy that, single handedly wrote, 995 01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:33,380 directed, True Detective for, I think, HBO, very successful 996 01:05:33,380 --> 01:05:37,880 series about, you know, down, or is it, didn't want to say the 997 01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:39,980 bayou, I don't know where it is, but it's, you know, with Woody 998 01:05:39,980 --> 01:05:45,820 Harrelson and and she calls, she's, she's a musician. She's 999 01:05:45,820 --> 01:05:49,000 an artist, by the way, she rocks the fender like nobody's 1000 01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:49,540 business. 1001 01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:52,840 Dave Jones: And haven't you mentioned her on the show? Might 1002 01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:53,200 I might 1003 01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:56,260 Adam Curry: have, I might have, I think you have, yeah, well, 1004 01:05:56,260 --> 01:05:59,080 she they just had a baby. He's nine months, nine months old, 1005 01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:02,820 little Rosie, okay? And, but she called me says, you know, I got 1006 01:06:02,820 --> 01:06:05,700 a new album. I'm putting it together. Says, I'm so sick of 1007 01:06:05,700 --> 01:06:11,040 everything. You know, I've heard about the podcast in 2.0 stuff. 1008 01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,320 So I took about an hour and I walked her through, and she kept 1009 01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:17,880 saying, Wow, this amazing. Wow, wow, really, wow. I just kept 1010 01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,900 going, wow. And so I gave her a whole bunch of links, and I 1011 01:06:20,900 --> 01:06:24,920 explained remote items, and you know, how it all worked, and got 1012 01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:29,120 her set up, you know, on a couple different apps that she 1013 01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:33,080 could choose from to check them out and and if she gets back to 1014 01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,600 me, I said, Look, I'm gonna hook you up with the costellos. They 1015 01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:41,200 are the powerhouses of of the value verse. And so I'm Fingers 1016 01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,600 crossed. I'm really hoping she digs it, because she would be 1017 01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:46,120 great, because she, she has reach. You know she, people know 1018 01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:46,360 her. 1019 01:06:47,020 --> 01:06:50,800 Dave Jones: What phantom power is doing live, they announced 1020 01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:56,140 live V for V music streams every Monday night. Saw that, yeah. I 1021 01:06:56,140 --> 01:06:59,320 mean, they're like, partnering with the vinyl lounge. Oh, 1022 01:07:00,100 --> 01:07:01,080 excellent. Yeah, 1023 01:07:01,980 --> 01:07:04,980 Adam Curry: okay, gotta get on. That gotta be promoted. You 1024 01:07:04,980 --> 01:07:08,580 know, that was, the only thing that bugged me is how there was 1025 01:07:08,580 --> 01:07:12,780 a lot of toonster, tunester, you know, zap us, you know, like, 1026 01:07:12,780 --> 01:07:13,380 okay, 1027 01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:15,060 Unknown: you know, well, 1028 01:07:15,660 --> 01:07:18,240 Adam Curry: I understand that's an important audience, but that 1029 01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:21,080 is the Bitcoin audience. I want to get people out who are not in 1030 01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:21,920 the Bitcoin world, 1031 01:07:22,940 --> 01:07:27,380 Dave Jones: right? I think it just, you know, it hits me that 1032 01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:33,920 what's being recreated here is music radio totally is, because 1033 01:07:34,100 --> 01:07:37,640 what you have is you have people, musicians onboarding 1034 01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:43,540 into V for V, who, then who publish their music. It gets 1035 01:07:43,540 --> 01:07:47,500 picked up by the DJs, on the on the music shows. Yep, you know 1036 01:07:47,500 --> 01:07:52,600 your show, phantom power, just it's a mood lightning, thrashes, 1037 01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:57,700 these homegrown hits. It gets picked up by these music shows. 1038 01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:01,440 And then that's where it gets this heard. You know, it gets 1039 01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:05,160 disseminated. Yeah, it's, I mean, it's like, it's like, 1978 1040 01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:08,100 radio, no, it's 1041 01:08:08,100 --> 01:08:10,140 Adam Curry: even earlier. No, no. It's like, it's going back 1042 01:08:10,140 --> 01:08:11,340 to American Bandstand. 1043 01:08:12,180 --> 01:08:14,700 Dave Jones: Oh, that's great. It's just so cool. Yeah, yeah, 1044 01:08:14,700 --> 01:08:15,120 it's gonna 1045 01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:17,520 Adam Curry: get there. It takes time. These things take time. 1046 01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:22,280 They take time. They take time. John Holden says they take time. 1047 01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:25,519 Dave Jones: Yes. Listen to John Holden kids, uh, 1048 01:08:28,460 --> 01:08:30,680 Adam Curry: any, any word from Oscar yet on the wallets? 1049 01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:32,240 Anything? I haven't heard a thing 1050 01:08:33,079 --> 01:08:34,699 Dave Jones: I've not heard from Oscar. No, 1051 01:08:35,659 --> 01:08:38,419 Adam Curry: I looked into that Fetty mint that launched the 1052 01:08:38,419 --> 01:08:40,959 new, uh, okay. Mint, yeah. Pass, 1053 01:08:42,159 --> 01:08:47,079 Dave Jones: yeah, that's, that is not. Cashew is doable. 1054 01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:54,639 Fedimint, no, the distributed, sort of federated, you have to 1055 01:08:54,639 --> 01:08:59,559 have multiple people approve it. That's that'll 1056 01:09:00,220 --> 01:09:03,660 Adam Curry: work at all. I just went in, I downloaded the app 1057 01:09:03,660 --> 01:09:07,500 and messed around, like I see all the problems right away. 1058 01:09:08,580 --> 01:09:11,820 Dave Jones: Can you tell me what a roll up is? A layer two roll 1059 01:09:11,820 --> 01:09:12,540 up? No, 1060 01:09:12,899 --> 01:09:13,679 Adam Curry: I have no idea. I'm 1061 01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:15,960 Dave Jones: hearing this phrase all the time, and I have no idea 1062 01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:16,620 what that means. A 1063 01:09:16,620 --> 01:09:18,540 Adam Curry: layer two roll up. 1064 01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:22,760 Dave Jones: Yes. Like there's been a bunch of stories lately 1065 01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:27,680 about this thing called a layer two roll up. And it's, I'm like, 1066 01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:32,120 This is so new to me, and I You're not explaining what this 1067 01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:32,840 term roll ups. 1068 01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,780 Adam Curry: Can you move computationally intensive 1069 01:09:35,780 --> 01:09:39,500 processes to a side chain to ease congestion on the main 1070 01:09:39,500 --> 01:09:43,840 chain while stabilizing network fees and transaction speeds. 1071 01:09:46,119 --> 01:09:48,999 Dave Jones: Jeff Scott says it's the outside wrapper of a fruit 1072 01:09:48,999 --> 01:09:49,419 roll up 1073 01:09:51,460 --> 01:09:54,520 Adam Curry: here. What is a roll up? Hold on a second roll ups 1074 01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:59,800 are several smart contracts on the Ethereum main net. Do I need 1075 01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:01,440 to. Do you want me to read further? 1076 01:10:01,739 --> 01:10:04,259 Dave Jones: No, please. Sounds good. Didn't think so. No, I'm 1077 01:10:04,259 --> 01:10:07,139 good. Yeah, that's a rug up. 1078 01:10:11,580 --> 01:10:13,320 Adam Curry: Roll up is after the rug pull 1079 01:10:14,100 --> 01:10:16,380 Dave Jones: Yeah, first the rug pulled in the layer two, roll 1080 01:10:16,380 --> 01:10:21,440 up. That's funny. Have you ever heard of a laptop form, by the 1081 01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:23,840 way, as far as new new terminology, 1082 01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,420 Adam Curry: well, I have one here in my office. I have so 1083 01:10:26,420 --> 01:10:31,100 many of pretty much a laptop, by the way, for those of you who 1084 01:10:31,100 --> 01:10:36,080 don't care, I'm going to tell you anyway, but had a fail on 1085 01:10:37,100 --> 01:10:40,780 clone Zilla would not recognize the internal drive. I played 1086 01:10:40,780 --> 01:10:44,020 with it for hours and hours, and then I'm like, You know what? 1087 01:10:44,140 --> 01:10:47,260 I'm just going to rebuild this laptop. And I've gotten pretty 1088 01:10:47,260 --> 01:10:52,120 good at it. And so I because I got all my all my licenses and 1089 01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:56,380 everything that's all organized, and it wasn't too hard to to 1090 01:10:56,380 --> 01:11:02,020 install everything on this lap. Man, that that G, 3l, 13, 1091 01:11:02,020 --> 01:11:06,300 Lenovo. That's a nice machine, baby. I didn't know it has a 1092 01:11:06,300 --> 01:11:09,120 touch screen. It has a touch screen. Yeah, 1093 01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:12,420 Dave Jones: it's hard to they don't really advertise the touch 1094 01:11:12,420 --> 01:11:13,620 screen so much. I didn't even 1095 01:11:13,620 --> 01:11:15,600 Adam Curry: realize I just happened to touch the screen. 1096 01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,900 Like, Oh crap. It works. Sometimes 1097 01:11:19,619 --> 01:11:20,939 Dave Jones: you're like, pointing something out to 1098 01:11:20,939 --> 01:11:22,319 somebody, and you're like, Oh crap, I 1099 01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,980 Adam Curry: did something. Yeah. Because you did. It's Anyway, 1100 01:11:24,980 --> 01:11:25,400 yes, 1101 01:11:25,459 --> 01:11:28,939 Dave Jones: I actually help you at all. Dude with disaster is 1102 01:11:28,939 --> 01:11:30,139 actually, yeah, it 1103 01:11:30,140 --> 01:11:34,100 Adam Curry: does for scrolling. Sometimes. I have a the touch 1104 01:11:34,100 --> 01:11:38,120 screen that I use for my shows at home. Here is a big it's a 1105 01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:43,060 big one, and it's touch screen and, and, and I do have a sound 1106 01:11:43,060 --> 01:11:46,300 board up that I typically control with the mouse, but in a 1107 01:11:46,300 --> 01:11:50,380 pinch, I'll just, you know, go in booze. Just hit it, because 1108 01:11:50,380 --> 01:11:52,900 it's, it's nice. It's nice to be able to do that, but it's not 1109 01:11:52,900 --> 01:11:55,960 something I use a lot. But anyway, laptop farm, you were, 1110 01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:57,940 you're gonna, you're gonna tell us something. 1111 01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:01,319 Dave Jones: Oh, no, I just, I had read the story. I think it 1112 01:12:01,319 --> 01:12:09,359 was yesterday, and it hit me. So it's talking about lap, laptop 1113 01:12:09,359 --> 01:12:13,799 farm, meaning, let me see if I can explain this, because it's 1114 01:12:13,799 --> 01:12:20,599 complicated. So there it's, well, the story is this guy in 1115 01:12:20,599 --> 01:12:21,979 in the US. You 1116 01:12:21,979 --> 01:12:24,139 Adam Curry: sure he's not in Ethiopia, because I think that's 1117 01:12:24,139 --> 01:12:26,359 where there's a laptop farm. No, 1118 01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:28,880 Dave Jones: this guy's in Nashville, which, you know, 1119 01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:31,700 which is one step above Ethiopia, 1120 01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:36,740 Adam Curry: after your recent visit. Yes, yes. Uh, so 1121 01:12:36,740 --> 01:12:39,980 Dave Jones: he's in. This guy's in Nashville. He got arrested, 1122 01:12:39,980 --> 01:12:46,900 because what he was doing was he was, he's an IT guy, and he was 1123 01:12:46,900 --> 01:12:50,980 posing like taking, doing remote jobs. So he was applying for 1124 01:12:50,980 --> 01:12:56,020 jobs as a remote worker. He would get hired in their it. 1125 01:12:56,440 --> 01:13:00,720 They would send him a laptop. He would then log in with VPN 1126 01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:04,020 credentials and stuff, he would log in as so he may be, like, 1127 01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:08,640 you know, involved in like 10 different companies, unbeknownst 1128 01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:11,880 to all the companies he's working, supposedly remotely 1129 01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,040 for, like 10 different companies. That's great, but 1130 01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:19,140 what he's really doing is then turning around and selling the 1131 01:13:19,140 --> 01:13:25,820 laptop, the laptop credentials to North Koreans. Oh, no. Oh, 1132 01:13:25,820 --> 01:13:30,740 wow, yeah. And so the so then now the North Koreans have 1133 01:13:30,740 --> 01:13:34,820 direct access into the IT infrastructure of these 1134 01:13:34,820 --> 01:13:38,180 companies he was supposedly working for, wow. And they call 1135 01:13:38,180 --> 01:13:40,900 this a laptop farm. Evidently, it's a thing. I have never heard 1136 01:13:40,900 --> 01:13:41,560 of this before, 1137 01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:47,020 Adam Curry: a dude named Ben, named Ben named Kim. Good one, 1138 01:13:47,020 --> 01:13:47,560 cotton gin. 1139 01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:54,400 Unknown: That's exactly right. You nailed it. 1140 01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:02,040 Adam Curry: Oh, man, wow, yeah. I mean the true hacking is never 1141 01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:05,700 sophisticated technology. It's all it's never, it's all 1142 01:14:05,700 --> 01:14:08,160 psychological, brother, it's all psychological. 1143 01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:12,359 Dave Jones: Garm folded, no, that didn't last very long, 1144 01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:15,299 Adam Curry: no, you know, then this has seemed like, yeah, 1145 01:14:15,359 --> 01:14:18,479 Elon, he did it, yeah. He went after Garm. They filled it. You 1146 01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:21,079 know, it's not like they're gonna advertise with him now, 1147 01:14:21,079 --> 01:14:21,919 all of a sudden, 1148 01:14:22,820 --> 01:14:23,900 Dave Jones: oh no, no, of course. 1149 01:14:23,899 --> 01:14:26,539 Adam Curry: You know that was just, it's another PR move. Like 1150 01:14:26,779 --> 01:14:31,459 I'm, I'm concerned about this guy. I don't I, you know, I've 1151 01:14:31,459 --> 01:14:33,499 always Elon, you mean, yeah, now I am. 1152 01:14:33,620 --> 01:14:34,520 Dave Jones: Oh yeah, yeah. 1153 01:14:34,580 --> 01:14:38,600 Adam Curry: I think it's gonna result in no anonymity. You 1154 01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:41,740 know, Garma, whatever, okay. I mean, he literally told 1155 01:14:41,740 --> 01:14:45,820 advertise to go F themself, right? You know, you don't like 1156 01:14:45,820 --> 01:14:48,760 what they care. Yeah, and now he's gonna do this big, yeah, 1157 01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:52,840 he's even got these guys all into Trump. Now, Trump is like, 1158 01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:56,620 I don't like EVs, but I gotta like him. I gotta like him now, 1159 01:14:56,620 --> 01:14:59,920 because Elon, you know, he's good. We got it. Elon's good. 1160 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,180 So, you know, and then it goes right into, you need $9 billion 1161 01:15:03,660 --> 01:15:06,360 to roll out. This is crazy, you know? It's the whole thing. 1162 01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:07,440 Well, 1163 01:15:07,500 --> 01:15:09,300 Dave Jones: I guess the thing that got, the thing that caught 1164 01:15:09,300 --> 01:15:15,360 my attention about it, was the, the true nature of the company, 1165 01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:19,380 suppose. So the story goes that that Garm really like, the 1166 01:15:19,380 --> 01:15:23,360 actual entity that is Garm was really like two dudes, 1167 01:15:24,500 --> 01:15:27,800 Adam Curry: right? I mean, it's the backing is the American 1168 01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:30,680 Federation of Advertisers. I think is not what it's called. I 1169 01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:39,080 think so, something new, a World Federation of Advertisers. 1170 01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:45,100 Dave Jones: Okay, the so this, I don't know if I can get you this 1171 01:15:45,700 --> 01:15:49,960 clip. Got a clip. See if I can find it. It reminded me. It 1172 01:15:50,860 --> 01:15:54,040 reminded me of this. Oh, yeah, okay, I think, I think I may 1173 01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:57,880 have found it here. Let me copy this. This is sort of a 1174 01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:59,080 throwback from a 1175 01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:02,280 Adam Curry: couple of years doing it live. People were doing 1176 01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:03,120 it live. So 1177 01:16:03,480 --> 01:16:05,580 Dave Jones: it reminded me of this clip. You think these 1178 01:16:05,580 --> 01:16:07,500 companies, PEPFAR 1179 01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:10,680 Adam Curry: was really sorry, yeah, once you go ahead and set 1180 01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:11,160 it up, 1181 01:16:11,580 --> 01:16:15,900 Dave Jones: yeah. So this is this lady, Catherine Eben. She 1182 01:16:15,900 --> 01:16:20,100 wrote a book, a book about the the total scamminess of generic, 1183 01:16:20,220 --> 01:16:23,720 of the generic drug manufacturing market, and from 1184 01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:27,320 this, so this is from a few years ago, and she's talking 1185 01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:28,940 here about Scott Gottlieb. 1186 01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,240 Adam Curry: Yes, we know Scott Gottlieb, yes. 1187 01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,420 Dave Jones: And Gottlieb used to be the FDA 1188 01:16:35,420 --> 01:16:38,120 Adam Curry: administrator, and then he became a board member 1189 01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:40,180 for Pfizer, right? 1190 01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,660 Dave Jones: And so we hear, we hear people talk about the the 1191 01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:49,000 who, the who. And when you hear about these organizations, what 1192 01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:52,720 you think, in your mind is, this is these vast in these vast 1193 01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:56,140 organizations with, you know, with all these resources and 1194 01:16:56,140 --> 01:17:00,840 people and that kind of thing. And the truth is not really like 1195 01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:03,660 that, because she talks about what Scott Gottlieb said about 1196 01:17:03,660 --> 01:17:05,820 the WHO PEPFAR 1197 01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:11,280 Unknown: was really born of the best of intentions, and was sort 1198 01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:16,380 of maybe one of the most sort of brilliant, innovative 1199 01:17:16,740 --> 01:17:22,580 globalization ideas, which is that the developed nations of 1200 01:17:22,580 --> 01:17:29,900 the world and us, the US could use taxpayer dollars to buy low 1201 01:17:29,900 --> 01:17:34,520 cost generics from India and send it to Africa to address the 1202 01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:39,560 AIDS crisis. So in that sense, it was really remarkably 1203 01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:40,460 innovative. 1204 01:17:40,580 --> 01:17:44,920 So George W Bush announced the intention of PEPFAR during 0203 1205 01:17:45,940 --> 01:17:49,840 and this creates a little bit of a tension within the 1206 01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:52,840 administration, right? Because how are you going to fund Well, 1207 01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:55,000 the question isn't how you're going to fund it, it's what are 1208 01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:59,200 you going to buy, right? So it was the low cost of Indian 1209 01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:03,600 generics that made PEPFAR possible. It was based on that 1210 01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:08,340 concept that the price of the AIDS drugs had fallen down to 1211 01:18:08,340 --> 01:18:15,240 about $1 a day, which allowed a taxpayer funded program to send 1212 01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:18,540 these AIDS drugs to Africa, which was reeling from the AIDS 1213 01:18:18,540 --> 01:18:22,280 crisis. You had basically an entire continent under a death 1214 01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:25,760 sentence. But then the question inside the administration was, 1215 01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:29,120 how do you guarantee the quality? And, you know, Scott 1216 01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:32,000 Gottlieb, at that point was in the Bush White House, 1217 01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:35,720 a great line in your book about how he referred to generics. He 1218 01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:37,940 refused to call them generics. He referred to them as 1219 01:18:37,940 --> 01:18:38,840 counterfeits, 1220 01:18:38,899 --> 01:18:42,999 right? And there were people on the other side of the aisle who 1221 01:18:42,999 --> 01:18:46,599 were saying, the World Health Organization, they can come in 1222 01:18:46,599 --> 01:18:50,799 and inspect these plants and certify them, and those are 1223 01:18:50,799 --> 01:18:54,219 going to be fine. And the view of Gottlieb and other people 1224 01:18:54,219 --> 01:18:57,819 was, what's who going to do? That's just like some guy in a 1225 01:18:57,819 --> 01:19:01,139 back room in Yugoslavia with a couple of people helping him who 1226 01:19:01,139 --> 01:19:04,739 are going to go into these plants and verify the quality. 1227 01:19:04,919 --> 01:19:07,139 So the idea was created, 1228 01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:13,019 Dave Jones: yes, so that, so we think of the World Health 1229 01:19:13,019 --> 01:19:16,079 Organization, this big entity with all these resources, and 1230 01:19:16,079 --> 01:19:18,359 Scott Gottlieb is like, no, that's just a couple of guys in 1231 01:19:18,359 --> 01:19:23,239 Yugoslavia. This is not who you think it is. The same way with 1232 01:19:23,239 --> 01:19:26,959 all the like Garm and all that you hear about these things, and 1233 01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:30,259 you think that they're these big things, but they're really, it's 1234 01:19:30,259 --> 01:19:31,579 just like a it's like a couple of 1235 01:19:31,580 --> 01:19:33,980 Adam Curry: dudes. I know it's like podcasting 2.0 it's just a 1236 01:19:33,980 --> 01:19:37,700 couple of dudes. Hey, man, that's, that's the latest thing. 1237 01:19:37,700 --> 01:19:39,560 That's a couple of dudes. Yeah, we get 1238 01:19:40,580 --> 01:19:43,180 Dave Jones: these, we get these emails. Sometimes there's like 1239 01:19:43,540 --> 01:19:48,700 I'd like you to put, could you put me in touch with your PR? It 1240 01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:52,180 reminds me of that guy that I think, Sam Sethi interviewed him 1241 01:19:52,180 --> 01:19:57,040 on pod news. It's the guy from a hub Hopper, the Indian podcast 1242 01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:59,920 associate, where he said he had made up like seven different. 1243 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,840 Email addresses, reply from different ones to make people 1244 01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:05,640 think that he was a big organization. 1245 01:20:06,060 --> 01:20:09,720 Adam Curry: That's funny. Yeah, that was what got 1246 01:20:09,719 --> 01:20:13,799 Dave Jones: me. Is this like, I think we just put too much, we 1247 01:20:13,799 --> 01:20:16,619 sing too much television, yeah, 1248 01:20:16,620 --> 01:20:20,580 Adam Curry: we all. We all think we live in the West Wing. Garm, 1249 01:20:20,820 --> 01:20:23,240 Dave Jones: oh, my gosh, Garn, they must. Oh, they're 1250 01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:25,520 unstoppable. Yes, couple dudes, 1251 01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:32,720 Adam Curry: that's a good point. Yeah. Let me see what else is 1252 01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:38,420 happening in the world of podcasting. Think we've, I mean, 1253 01:20:38,900 --> 01:20:41,260 has lots of stuff, advertising, blah blah blah, money, blah 1254 01:20:41,260 --> 01:20:42,100 blah, blah, Okay, done. 1255 01:20:43,060 --> 01:20:46,780 Dave Jones: Well, I mean, I went over the we're kind of, I don't 1256 01:20:46,780 --> 01:20:49,120 know, we don't, I don't know if we have enough time to go over 1257 01:20:49,420 --> 01:20:51,640 this UID, UID too. 1258 01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:54,160 Adam Curry: Oh, I'm very interested, because I have no 1259 01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:57,100 idea what it is, how it works, and I've seen you post about it 1260 01:20:57,100 --> 01:21:01,320 and but see a lot of technical garb. So can you give me a high 1261 01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:05,820 level kind of like the like, the roll up 1262 01:21:08,340 --> 01:21:13,800 Dave Jones: the roll up the roll up, um, I guess the high level 1263 01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:17,940 would be, what is the high level class 1264 01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:21,020 Adam Curry: tracking mechanism? 1265 01:21:21,740 --> 01:21:25,160 Dave Jones: Yes, okay, yes, it is. I mean, it's classic 1266 01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:26,600 advertiser bull crap. 1267 01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:29,840 Adam Curry: Well, I need to know about it, then they've really 1268 01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:36,560 Dave Jones: learned nothing in this. So, you know, cookies is 1269 01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:42,220 the way this has all worked forever, third party cookies and 1270 01:21:42,220 --> 01:21:45,220 just a, you know, for for people, tracking, for tracking 1271 01:21:45,220 --> 01:21:48,040 purposes, yeah. And then what? The way that works for anybody 1272 01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:51,100 who's not technically, you know, in the know here is that 1273 01:21:51,820 --> 01:21:55,720 whenever you go to a website, that website can put a piece, it 1274 01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:59,860 can put a cookie, which is just a file on your machine, on your 1275 01:21:59,860 --> 01:22:03,900 browser, and every time you go back to that website, it will 1276 01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:08,760 send the cookie back with it, so it's good for login state you 1277 01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:12,540 log in, it sets a cookie. Now, that cookie gets sent back every 1278 01:22:12,540 --> 01:22:16,740 time, and that's how the website knows you're logged in. The 1279 01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:22,400 third party cookies came along and molested this concept into 1280 01:22:23,060 --> 01:22:29,360 the idea that if I can convince you, the website owner, to put 1281 01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:34,280 my banner or my button or my image or something on your 1282 01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:39,020 website that's actually from my website, then what's going to 1283 01:22:39,020 --> 01:22:41,620 happen is your browser is going to put is going to make a 1284 01:22:41,620 --> 01:22:44,440 request to my website to get the image or the button or the 1285 01:22:44,440 --> 01:22:49,060 banner. And when it does that, I can then send you a, I can then 1286 01:22:49,060 --> 01:22:52,780 put a cookie in right so now if you go to this if you that's on 1287 01:22:52,780 --> 01:22:56,200 this website, on website a, now if you go to website B, if I can 1288 01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:59,800 convince them to put that same button on their website, then I 1289 01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:03,720 can tell that you have been on both of those websites, right? 1290 01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:07,560 And that's classic cookie based tracking, and that's how all 1291 01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:11,880 advertising works today. Every bit of advertised tracking, 1292 01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:16,020 advertising tracking on the internet, all works based on 1293 01:23:16,020 --> 01:23:21,320 that. That's why Google was trying to get rid of that, so 1294 01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:25,220 that they could look they could have a sort of a face saving 1295 01:23:25,220 --> 01:23:28,640 moment where they come up with this privacy sandbox and all 1296 01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:31,400 this kind of stuff to get rid of cookies, and where it looks like 1297 01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:33,680 they're doing something about it so that 1298 01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:37,220 Adam Curry: they could, so they could have monopoly over the 1299 01:23:37,220 --> 01:23:38,480 next version of it. 1300 01:23:39,019 --> 01:23:43,959 Dave Jones: Yeah, exactly over a cookie 2.0 right? And so then 1301 01:23:43,959 --> 01:23:46,839 they but, you know, I think we all know now, about a week ago, 1302 01:23:46,839 --> 01:23:48,759 they said they're they're ditching all that. They're just 1303 01:23:48,759 --> 01:23:51,279 going to stick with third party cookies for the foreseeable 1304 01:23:51,279 --> 01:23:54,699 future, because that's the way this would have works. And the 1305 01:23:54,999 --> 01:23:59,439 advertising industry is addicted to that. They're addicted to the 1306 01:23:59,499 --> 01:24:03,359 two cookies. But they panicked when they thought that those 1307 01:24:03,359 --> 01:24:06,599 things were going to go away. So they've they've been coming up 1308 01:24:06,599 --> 01:24:08,519 with, they've been trying and trying to come up with 1309 01:24:08,519 --> 01:24:11,279 alternatives. And one of those alternatives that came up with 1310 01:24:11,639 --> 01:24:16,919 is UID two. Now this is now UID two is getting thrown around all 1311 01:24:16,919 --> 01:24:22,519 over podcast stuff. And I'll be honest with you, I don't 1312 01:24:22,519 --> 01:24:26,179 understand why. I don't know how this could possibly apply to 1313 01:24:26,180 --> 01:24:30,560 Adam Curry: podcasting. So what is UID to Dave? UID 1314 01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:37,700 Dave Jones: two is so and let me, let me, let me give you an 1315 01:24:37,700 --> 01:24:42,100 let me give you an image that shows up. It shows the layout of 1316 01:24:42,100 --> 01:24:46,600 UID to it'll make perfect sense to you when you when you see 1317 01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:47,020 the, 1318 01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:49,060 Adam Curry: okay, it's going in the show notes. Everybody, 1319 01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:55,060 Dave Jones: yes, yes. This is, this is how easy you ID two is 1320 01:24:55,060 --> 01:24:59,920 to understand here. That's pretty simple. These are the. 1321 01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:01,620 You ID two workflows. You're 1322 01:25:01,619 --> 01:25:03,779 Adam Curry: setting this up to make me think that it's not 1323 01:25:03,779 --> 01:25:07,499 going to be very simple to understand. Oh, you put it in 1324 01:25:07,499 --> 01:25:08,639 the chat, okay, yeah. 1325 01:25:08,700 --> 01:25:17,040 Dave Jones: Do you hear the sarcasm dripping? Yes, I do need 1326 01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:22,760 us understands it so he can now explain it to the rest of us. So 1327 01:25:22,820 --> 01:25:30,740 UID two is a hash of some personal data of yours. So it's 1328 01:25:30,740 --> 01:25:35,960 a you supposed to be a universal identifier, where you get a 1329 01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:38,840 where they take, and I said when, when you say they that 1330 01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:45,640 means an advertiser takes a hash, excuse me, takes either an 1331 01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:47,800 email address or a phone number. Those are two examples they 1332 01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:52,840 give, and they hash it into an encrypted form that's like, 1333 01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:57,160 supposedly a one way hash with a salt. Then they trade those 1334 01:25:57,160 --> 01:26:04,020 around amongst each other, all the advertisers and to associate 1335 01:26:04,440 --> 01:26:08,400 when you are the same person in different locations, but 1336 01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:14,700 supposedly without revealing to the intermediaries, which is the 1337 01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:21,620 OP, what's called the operator of the UID master sync database, 1338 01:26:22,460 --> 01:26:23,120 Adam Curry: Google. 1339 01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:28,400 Dave Jones: This is evidently being put together by the IB 1340 01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:37,100 now, uh huh, um, the to me, so, to me, the Achilles. So, if you, 1341 01:26:37,100 --> 01:26:42,460 if you refer to the to the picture here, yes, you'll see, 1342 01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:46,000 Adam Curry: you'll see that there's a dread. Put this in the 1343 01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:48,460 in the chapter, man, that'll freak everybody out, 1344 01:26:49,540 --> 01:26:50,920 Dave Jones: like, What? What? What 1345 01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:51,520 Adam Curry: is this? 1346 01:26:53,020 --> 01:26:56,920 Dave Jones: There's this sink. Is this? Is this the picture I 1347 01:26:56,920 --> 01:27:02,580 was wanting? There's the sink that happens between the 1348 01:27:02,580 --> 01:27:09,780 advertisers and the operator, and in order to determine if you 1349 01:27:09,780 --> 01:27:14,820 have opted out. So let's say that I gave my email address, 1350 01:27:14,820 --> 01:27:19,020 or, excuse me, let's say that an advertiser, because, number one, 1351 01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:24,200 if you do nothing, you are you are completely left out of this 1352 01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:28,160 process. Yeah. So if, if you sign up to an advert for a 1353 01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:31,640 website that uses an advertiser that's in this system, they're 1354 01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:35,240 going to hash your email address and hand it over to the 1355 01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:41,560 operator, to the UID, to operator. You were not you 1356 01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:44,380 somewhere along the line, there was probably some small print 1357 01:27:44,380 --> 01:27:46,480 that said, you're, you know, you're assenting to this, which 1358 01:27:46,480 --> 01:27:50,740 you never saw, no, of course, in the EU law, yeah. So then you 1359 01:27:50,740 --> 01:27:54,760 can go over to, supposedly, you can go over to the operator's 1360 01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:59,800 website, which I'm assuming is the IAB, and fill out an opt 1361 01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:04,140 out. That's problem number one, this is opt out, not opt in, 1362 01:28:04,140 --> 01:28:10,140 right? Problem number two, which I see, is the sort of Achilles 1363 01:28:10,140 --> 01:28:15,300 heel of this whole thing, is, in order to stay there's a sync 1364 01:28:15,300 --> 01:28:19,440 process that happens where all these advertiser servers keep in 1365 01:28:19,440 --> 01:28:24,860 sync with the operator server by trading these databases around, 1366 01:28:24,860 --> 01:28:30,140 sort of like we do with a with our feed dump, and then they re 1367 01:28:30,140 --> 01:28:33,380 salt all the hashes on a regular basis, and all this, all this 1368 01:28:33,380 --> 01:28:40,480 stuff. But every time you request a web page, and then 1369 01:28:40,480 --> 01:28:44,140 that web page requests an ad from a DSP. It has to go 1370 01:28:44,140 --> 01:28:47,260 Adam Curry: back and be unsalted. All this stuff has to 1371 01:28:47,260 --> 01:28:48,760 happen. No, 1372 01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:52,960 Dave Jones: it has to check and see if you've opted out. Okay, 1373 01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:56,200 so there has to be an opt out check every single time for 1374 01:28:56,200 --> 01:28:59,320 Adam Curry: every every element that requests this on a page 1375 01:28:59,500 --> 01:29:00,600 before it 1376 01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:04,020 Dave Jones: can request an ad. So it's gonna, it's gonna check 1377 01:29:04,020 --> 01:29:09,480 if you've opted out before it requests the ad. Now, how this 1378 01:29:09,480 --> 01:29:13,260 is, this is gonna take time, because you're gonna have to do 1379 01:29:13,260 --> 01:29:18,480 a database check and then do it and then do a bid on a DSP, so 1380 01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:21,740 Adam Curry: the database digital services provider, what is that? 1381 01:29:21,740 --> 01:29:22,700 DSB, yeah, that's 1382 01:29:22,699 --> 01:29:25,939 Dave Jones: the those are the background advertisers, 1383 01:29:25,939 --> 01:29:30,739 Adam Curry: bid stream, yeah, good. 1384 01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:37,460 Dave Jones: So that opt out. The only way this can work and not 1385 01:29:37,460 --> 01:29:42,460 just bring us website to a crawl, is if that opt out check 1386 01:29:43,660 --> 01:29:49,120 is at maximum, about 100 milliseconds, right? If it's 1387 01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:52,900 more than that, you're going to start slowing. You're going to 1388 01:29:52,900 --> 01:29:57,460 it's too slow, it's not going to work. So if that opt out request 1389 01:29:57,460 --> 01:30:02,700 does not reply to the browser, you. In about 100 milliseconds. 1390 01:30:03,300 --> 01:30:06,360 I can guarantee you that is going to the opt out is the 1391 01:30:06,540 --> 01:30:09,180 check is going to fail, and it's going to give you an ad anyway, 1392 01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:13,440 yeah, and it's going to track you like this. This whole thing 1393 01:30:13,440 --> 01:30:14,220 is a joke. 1394 01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:17,100 Adam Curry: Why? Why are they even doing this? What is this 1395 01:30:17,100 --> 01:30:18,120 nonsense 1396 01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:23,419 Dave Jones: like? You know all it's all based on the pro like, 1397 01:30:23,419 --> 01:30:27,019 if you do host reads or coupon codes or anything like that, you 1398 01:30:27,019 --> 01:30:29,839 don't need any of this nonsense. No, it's all based on 1399 01:30:29,839 --> 01:30:31,519 programmatic ad insertion. Yeah, 1400 01:30:31,700 --> 01:30:35,120 Adam Curry: that's what the bid stream is all about. Yeah, yeah. 1401 01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:39,320 Dave Jones: All of this, all of this nonsense, is to prop up the 1402 01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:42,460 $3 CPMs from dynamic ad insertion. 1403 01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:45,939 Adam Curry: It is, yeah, yeah, right. 1404 01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:49,359 Dave Jones: The cheap and, you know what? In a Russell, the 1405 01:30:49,959 --> 01:30:55,539 from pod two in Australia, Russell on the podcast index. He 1406 01:30:55,539 --> 01:31:01,199 had a great point. Let me see, I think I may have let me pull 1407 01:31:01,199 --> 01:31:07,499 this thing up. Yeah? He said, Yes. Russell Harri, where he 1408 01:31:07,499 --> 01:31:10,679 said, I guess if a business is spending money to promote, they 1409 01:31:10,679 --> 01:31:14,099 really want to make sure that 250 was $250 was worth it. Was 1410 01:31:14,099 --> 01:31:17,759 worth it. What we know is that is, the higher you spend, the 1411 01:31:17,759 --> 01:31:21,559 less likely you care about this data. A client of ours got 1412 01:31:21,559 --> 01:31:25,099 charged 5000 to advertise, $5,000 to advertise on TV. The 1413 01:31:25,459 --> 01:31:27,799 client tracked it with a phone number and a land and web 1414 01:31:27,799 --> 01:31:30,379 landing page, and they were happy. Yeah, that solution 1415 01:31:30,559 --> 01:31:34,399 should work for podcast ads, but because it's online, ad exec 1416 01:31:34,399 --> 01:31:40,539 thinks we need more data see like the the lower the CPM, the 1417 01:31:41,019 --> 01:31:47,139 the smaller your advertisers budgets are. Yeah, and they're 1418 01:31:47,139 --> 01:31:49,659 the ones that want all this data, the big guys, they don't, 1419 01:31:49,659 --> 01:31:53,319 they don't give a crap. They just have advertising budgets, 1420 01:31:53,319 --> 01:31:56,559 and they're just budgets, and they're just gonna spend it. But 1421 01:31:56,559 --> 01:31:59,559 if you start talking you get, the lower, the lower you get, 1422 01:31:59,559 --> 01:32:02,219 down the totem pole of advertisers, the more greedy 1423 01:32:02,219 --> 01:32:07,019 they get to make sure that every cent was spent, and this is all 1424 01:32:07,019 --> 01:32:10,019 wasting everybody's time just to satisfy a bunch of people that 1425 01:32:10,019 --> 01:32:13,379 want to buy $200 worth of ads. Yeah, yeah. Well, there's 1426 01:32:13,380 --> 01:32:16,320 Adam Curry: always going to be advertising. It's always going 1427 01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:19,020 to be there, and we'll never know exactly what half of the of 1428 01:32:19,020 --> 01:32:21,320 the money worked. It's just that's the way it is. This is 1429 01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:22,280 the way it's always been. 1430 01:32:23,180 --> 01:32:25,100 Dave Jones: Well, we were watching the Olympics, and, you 1431 01:32:25,100 --> 01:32:30,200 know, like, what they would have is the like, Visa would, they 1432 01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:34,820 would say, this hour of prime time gymnastics was brought to 1433 01:32:34,820 --> 01:32:37,400 you with limited commercial interruption by Visa 1434 01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:41,260 Adam Curry: just interrupted me to tell me that, yes, 1435 01:32:42,220 --> 01:32:44,440 Dave Jones: so visa bought a block, and they're like, Okay, 1436 01:32:44,440 --> 01:32:47,860 you know, we're gonna be the sponsor for this segment, and 1437 01:32:48,220 --> 01:32:52,060 they're never gonna know who saw it. Then, then there's no way to 1438 01:32:52,060 --> 01:32:59,920 know that. But some, for some reason, the the the web and by, 1439 01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:04,140 you know, proxy podcasting thinks that they need every 1440 01:33:04,140 --> 01:33:08,040 freaking cent accounted for. It's gross. This is not going to 1441 01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:09,120 work that you add d2 is, 1442 01:33:11,220 --> 01:33:15,360 Adam Curry: yeah, well, power to them. It's all good. I've, I've, 1443 01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:22,280 I'm in freedom mode, baby. I don't care. I'm in freedom mode. 1444 01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:24,620 I don't care anymore. It's all good. 1445 01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:26,900 Dave Jones: Freedom, mellow. 1446 01:33:27,319 --> 01:33:31,039 Adam Curry: I'm just happy that people can podcast that my my 1447 01:33:31,039 --> 01:33:36,079 partner, my friend, Dave Jones, can do read stories. People can 1448 01:33:36,079 --> 01:33:40,479 talk about what they care about. There's ways to listen. That's 1449 01:33:40,479 --> 01:33:43,839 good. It's all good. That's that's why we started this in 1450 01:33:43,839 --> 01:33:50,739 the first place. Remember, I remember, remember number, yeah, 1451 01:33:50,739 --> 01:33:51,699 remember, yep, 1452 01:33:52,420 --> 01:33:54,520 Dave Jones: me and me and John Holden. Let's thank 1453 01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:57,940 Adam Curry: a few people, and then we'll be able to wrap it up 1454 01:33:57,940 --> 01:34:00,480 with a couple of leftover bits. Here, I'm gonna read some of 1455 01:34:00,480 --> 01:34:06,000 these live boosts that came in. Once told Kyle sent a short row 1456 01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:09,300 of ducks. 222, howdy from the Valley of the dinosaurs in Glen 1457 01:34:09,300 --> 01:34:13,620 Rose, Texas. Have a good weekend. He says, Thank you. We 1458 01:34:13,620 --> 01:34:18,180 got Chad F coming in with a nice row of eggplant emojis on my 1459 01:34:18,180 --> 01:34:23,660 helipad. 11,111 Satoshis boosting for the hay citizen 1460 01:34:23,660 --> 01:34:28,100 experience. Very nice, salty crayon 1188, hot afternoon 1461 01:34:28,100 --> 01:34:30,860 boardroom. Shout out to Mitch for the next gen pod verse, 1462 01:34:30,980 --> 01:34:33,860 let's hope you can keep it in the Google slave store. 1463 01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:37,220 Definitely a daily driver for sending value across the value 1464 01:34:37,220 --> 01:34:42,160 verse in the pipe, go podcasting. Podcasting. Another 1465 01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:45,820 in the pipe, 222, from salty crayon. As far as AI, there are 1466 01:34:45,820 --> 01:34:50,800 some of that already cropping up as quote music on LM beats. You 1467 01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:53,320 can clearly hear it in the vocals. It has a distinct sound, 1468 01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:56,740 yeah, we're going to be able to recognize that no neural network 1469 01:34:56,740 --> 01:35:00,300 like the human neural network Martin Linda's Coke is. Sitting 1470 01:35:00,300 --> 01:35:04,380 in from somewhere. I think Scandinavia, 1776, freedom, 1471 01:35:04,380 --> 01:35:09,780 boost. Dave, I want to tell author Warren Fahey magenta 1472 01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:13,740 about this opportunity. Do you drink Sam Adams? Beer? Cheers? 1473 01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:14,340 Martin, 1474 01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:20,720 Dave Jones: yes, sure, yes. 1475 01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:26,060 Adam Curry: Another 1776 from Martin, freedom of expression, 1476 01:35:26,060 --> 01:35:31,160 thanks to podcasting 2.0 Liberty boasts of 1776 Satoshi is best 1477 01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:36,020 premises Martin, Dr Scott, he actually recommended the camel 1478 01:35:36,020 --> 01:35:41,260 freedom jingle, 456, there's Martin again with cool house 1479 01:35:41,260 --> 01:35:46,840 music. Rave on when played the rave radio, 1111, we have 1480 01:35:46,840 --> 01:35:52,720 booberry with the promo 333. 33 September, 22 the satellite 1481 01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:57,400 skirmish, Autumn rust, new bands, new MCs day, Globe boost 1482 01:35:57,400 --> 01:36:02,160 alerts. We got four bands on board, still looking for two 1483 01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:05,460 more that would be interested in signing up. Stephen B Eric PP 1484 01:36:05,700 --> 01:36:09,060 and make heroism are gonna level up this production on the tech 1485 01:36:09,060 --> 01:36:12,900 side. I'm hoping that's a Sunday, because usually they do 1486 01:36:12,900 --> 01:36:15,780 that right after no agenda, and they get good juice on that. Let 1487 01:36:15,780 --> 01:36:21,620 me see Sunday. Sunday sun. Let me see September 22 let me see. 1488 01:36:21,860 --> 01:36:26,180 Yes, Sunday, good, nice, good. I'll promo it during no agenda. 1489 01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:33,140 They get a lot of people hanging around and see Salta, crayon, 1490 01:36:33,140 --> 01:36:36,980 Lima, Charlie 777, not sure what these are, pre test, pre show 1491 01:36:36,980 --> 01:36:41,500 boost tests from Dr Scott. There's another Martin, Lindis 1492 01:36:41,500 --> 01:36:45,280 coke with a row of ducks, 2222 Adam and Dave, if you have ducks 1493 01:36:45,340 --> 01:36:49,000 in the row, I'm running with scissors now with my Alby hub, a 1494 01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:52,420 recently connected wavelength app. The last and fifth step 1495 01:36:52,420 --> 01:36:55,300 thing is creating a backup of the keys. I think I need help 1496 01:36:55,300 --> 01:36:59,620 with that. He says, shout out to Tomic K That's Tomic KK on. Get 1497 01:36:59,620 --> 01:37:05,340 Alby. All the best for Martin, and that I believe, is it? Yes, 1498 01:37:05,340 --> 01:37:06,300 I hit the delimiter 1499 01:37:07,200 --> 01:37:11,580 Dave Jones: I've got. I'm looking right here at a PayPal 1500 01:37:11,580 --> 01:37:12,960 from Oscar. Mary for $200 1501 01:37:14,100 --> 01:37:15,780 Adam Curry: Whoa, Hello, 1502 01:37:16,979 --> 01:37:20,579 Unknown: Paula, 20 inch Blaze only Impala. 1503 01:37:20,580 --> 01:37:21,980 Adam Curry: Thank you very much, Oscar. 1504 01:37:22,519 --> 01:37:25,879 Dave Jones: I'm gonna see if I can ring my beef milkshake cup 1505 01:37:25,879 --> 01:37:32,599 from over here. Ring it negative. Okay? And Mitch in the 1506 01:37:32,599 --> 01:37:37,999 middle of developing next gen pod verse next gen $50 1507 01:37:38,899 --> 01:37:41,139 Adam Curry: very nice. Mitch with a baller shot 1508 01:37:41,140 --> 01:37:44,920 Unknown: caller. 20 is Blaze only. Impala. Thank 1509 01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:45,640 Adam Curry: you. Thank you. 1510 01:37:46,540 --> 01:37:49,720 Dave Jones: Round two, also a miss. Uh, we got some booster 1511 01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:54,700 grams up, starting off with kiryn from mere mortals. 2222 he 1512 01:37:54,700 --> 01:37:57,700 says, this is through fountain, by the way. He says, boosting 1513 01:37:57,700 --> 01:38:01,200 for Dave's bed, the couch was actually very comfy, and I felt 1514 01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:04,380 safe with banjo and boss monster guarding me. Boss monster is my 1515 01:38:04,380 --> 01:38:04,620 cat 1516 01:38:04,860 --> 01:38:08,160 Adam Curry: Banjo. Banjo of what, 110 pounds of banjo. 1517 01:38:08,580 --> 01:38:12,720 Dave Jones: So let me tell you what happened. So when kiring, 1518 01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:15,660 I'd been gone for a few days and banjo, he always gets super 1519 01:38:15,660 --> 01:38:18,960 excited when somebody comes back for my trip. So he was already 1520 01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:23,540 fired up. And he's a very, you know, he's a very loving dog. 1521 01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:26,720 Yes, he's not exactly what I would call gentle, no, because 1522 01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:31,220 he's big, he's big, he's huge, but he's not, he's not 1523 01:38:31,220 --> 01:38:35,300 aggressive, like he's he's just, he loves people, and he wants to 1524 01:38:35,300 --> 01:38:40,220 just, like, rub all up on you and stuff. And so he's excited, 1525 01:38:40,220 --> 01:38:44,740 and he runs to the door, and right behind me is Kyron. And I 1526 01:38:44,740 --> 01:38:48,580 told kiryn, I was like, I was like, Look, we have a huge dog, 1527 01:38:49,180 --> 01:38:53,920 and he's very sweet, but he's very energetic, so I don't want 1528 01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:58,660 you to be afraid that he's big. And so I step out of the way, 1529 01:38:58,900 --> 01:39:02,880 and banjo sees Kyron and just howls like, 1530 01:39:05,100 --> 01:39:08,640 Adam Curry: Man, oh, they must have freaked him out. Chiron 1531 01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:11,760 Dave Jones: was like, Oh crap. What have I gotten myself into? 1532 01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:15,240 And it's like, look, I promise, I promise He's nice. He's like, 1533 01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:16,860 Oh yeah, the old I promise He's nice. 1534 01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:19,980 Adam Curry: Said the one handed. Man, yeah, 1535 01:39:20,639 --> 01:39:23,299 Dave Jones: exactly it was great. Yeah, it's great. Cool. 1536 01:39:23,299 --> 01:39:26,899 Thank you, Karen. Appreciate that. See who we got. Oh. 1537 01:39:26,959 --> 01:39:32,299 Beaven. Hour 2222 to pod verse for the Tiny Tim fund. Am I 1538 01:39:32,299 --> 01:39:32,839 sick? 1539 01:39:33,740 --> 01:39:35,780 Adam Curry: Yeah, you haven't been sick in a while. Knock on 1540 01:39:35,780 --> 01:39:37,280 wood. It's about your time again. 1541 01:39:37,880 --> 01:39:38,900 Dave Jones: Vitamin D, baby. 1542 01:39:38,899 --> 01:39:40,579 Adam Curry: That's right, these milkshakes. 1543 01:39:41,660 --> 01:39:46,840 Dave Jones: Andrew Grumman, hey, Andrew, 2222 Oh, yep, 2222 I 1544 01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:47,920 heard it on podcasting, 2.01 1545 01:39:49,120 --> 01:39:51,940 Adam Curry: 11 was was the Yeah, it was boosting for the song, 1546 01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:57,040 Dave Jones: uh, oh, yeah. I see that's Oh. 2022 from another. 1547 01:39:57,040 --> 01:40:00,900 2022 from Andrew Grammy says, bed, boost. I. Wherever. 1548 01:40:00,959 --> 01:40:03,119 Adam Curry: Okay for Chiron, I guess. 1549 01:40:03,300 --> 01:40:06,900 Dave Jones: I guess so. Um, oh, Brian of London, so, Brian of 1550 01:40:06,900 --> 01:40:11,220 London, 11, 948, big Israeli boost. He says, I hope you were 1551 01:40:11,220 --> 01:40:16,080 properly fisting your Brian. Brian, seriously, 1552 01:40:16,860 --> 01:40:18,120 Adam Curry: well, hold on a second. He 1553 01:40:18,120 --> 01:40:22,100 Dave Jones: said, Yeah. He says, I hope you were properly fisting 1554 01:40:22,100 --> 01:40:25,700 your nuts at the truck stop in last week's drive home story in 1555 01:40:25,700 --> 01:40:29,900 the approved Dvorak method. See, nobody's gonna understand that 1556 01:40:29,900 --> 01:40:30,980 reference unless 1557 01:40:30,980 --> 01:40:35,180 Adam Curry: I play the 42nd fisting nuts mix, which I am 1558 01:40:35,180 --> 01:40:40,040 happy to do. Just go for it, John, tell us your peeve about 1559 01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:43,060 the fisting method of eating snacks on an airplane. 1560 01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:45,400 John C Dvorak: I see this on the airplane, and it's very 1561 01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:48,340 annoying, and I think it will result in fights breaking out, 1562 01:40:48,340 --> 01:40:51,880 because it's just so annoying to watch. Guy takes his bag of 1563 01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:56,620 peanuts and he throws a pile of them into his palm of his hand, 1564 01:40:56,620 --> 01:41:00,480 and then he makes a fist around the nuts, around the nuts, and 1565 01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:06,240 then he shakes his fist to try to bring a nut to the little 1566 01:41:06,360 --> 01:41:12,780 hole stop. And then he throws a nut in his mouth from his fist. 1567 01:41:14,820 --> 01:41:17,220 Then he does it again. He shakes and throws and shakes and 1568 01:41:17,220 --> 01:41:21,860 throws. It is annoying as hell to watch. 1569 01:41:24,620 --> 01:41:27,260 Adam Curry: Hey, John Holden production, by the way, 1570 01:41:29,300 --> 01:41:35,120 Dave Jones: what was the name of, what was, what was the name 1571 01:41:35,120 --> 01:41:38,660 of the detective you played on the porn movie? 1572 01:41:38,660 --> 01:41:42,700 Adam Curry: Oh, God, what was his name? I forget his name. I 1573 01:41:42,700 --> 01:41:44,440 don't remember. I don't remember. I 1574 01:41:45,220 --> 01:41:45,760 Dave Jones: forgot. 1575 01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:48,640 Adam Curry: I saved someone who sent me that. Someone sent me 1576 01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:53,020 like a beautiful copy. I saved it somewhere so I can watch it 1577 01:41:53,020 --> 01:41:57,280 at my leisure. Watch it later. Yes. Uh, 1578 01:41:58,300 --> 01:42:00,600 Dave Jones: now everybody understands that reference. Uh, 1579 01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:06,240 thank you. Brian. Uh, see, oh, Dame slammy, hey, I don't know 1580 01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:07,440 who dame's Dame slay me. 1581 01:42:07,499 --> 01:42:09,239 Adam Curry: I think it's Dame slay me. Okay, 1582 01:42:09,240 --> 01:42:11,580 Dave Jones: slay me. Dame slay me. 33,138 1583 01:42:13,140 --> 01:42:16,080 Adam Curry: cents, nice. I'm gonna give her a little Waller 1584 01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:17,700 for that. Hey, 1585 01:42:17,700 --> 01:42:20,040 Dave Jones: coming to cast a Maddox says, Hey, Dave and Adam 1586 01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:24,740 boosting as a gift to my awesome dude, sir dude, chink, sir dude, 1587 01:42:24,740 --> 01:42:28,160 chink. He loves this podcast, and His birthday is August 14. 1588 01:42:28,160 --> 01:42:29,060 Go podcasting. 1589 01:42:29,180 --> 01:42:30,860 Adam Curry: You got it? Go podcasting. 1590 01:42:34,700 --> 01:42:36,320 Dave Jones: Thank you for cutting us in on the birthday. 1591 01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:41,020 Boost. Yes, very nice. Oh, let's see is this. Is this right? Have 1592 01:42:41,020 --> 01:42:42,280 we already hit the delimiter? 1593 01:42:43,720 --> 01:42:46,480 Adam Curry: It's possible. You know, when the bitcoin price 1594 01:42:46,480 --> 01:42:50,200 went crazy up or down, people like, oh, they spend my bitcoin, 1595 01:42:51,100 --> 01:42:55,000 Dave Jones: yeah. You know, Bitcoin crashes all this because 1596 01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:59,320 it because in in the reason is because it's traded 24 hours a 1597 01:42:59,320 --> 01:43:03,660 day, seven days a week, like, if it's a if, if the market starts 1598 01:43:03,660 --> 01:43:08,100 tanking on a Friday night, and people need to get liquid, yes, 1599 01:43:08,100 --> 01:43:09,360 Bitcoin is the only thing. 1600 01:43:09,479 --> 01:43:12,839 Adam Curry: Yes, exactly. And I know it's so weird, people don't 1601 01:43:12,839 --> 01:43:17,879 understand that it was supposed to be a store of value. Man, 1602 01:43:17,879 --> 01:43:21,079 yeah, look at the 200 day moving average, and you'll see that it 1603 01:43:21,079 --> 01:43:24,019 is, yeah, it's a beautiful thing. Anywhere in the world I 1604 01:43:24,019 --> 01:43:27,319 need cash, I can always sell, sell some bitcoin. It's 1605 01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:29,960 Dave Jones: beautiful that way. Yeah, and it's right back. I 1606 01:43:29,960 --> 01:43:32,240 mean, it's just right back up there. Yes, it was 6060, 1607 01:43:32,780 --> 01:43:35,480 Adam Curry: and a half, 61 today, kind of in that range. 1608 01:43:36,380 --> 01:43:39,800 It's a steep V check mark, recovery 1609 01:43:40,700 --> 01:43:43,120 Dave Jones: comic strip. Blogger, 25,000 SATs through 1610 01:43:43,120 --> 01:43:46,660 fountain says, howdy, Dave and Adam. I'd like to ask the 1611 01:43:46,660 --> 01:43:51,100 podcasting 2.0 community to send booster Grimes to the podcast. 1612 01:43:51,100 --> 01:43:56,500 Mo fax with Adam curry. Oh, you can find it at URL, www.mo, 1613 01:43:57,100 --> 01:44:01,440 fax.com, it's a podcast where Adam and his black friend. Mo, 1614 01:44:03,660 --> 01:44:06,480 Adam Curry: you got to do it like Trump black black friend, 1615 01:44:06,600 --> 01:44:07,800 black friend. 1616 01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:12,300 Dave Jones: It's a podcast where Adam and his black friend, Mo, 1617 01:44:12,540 --> 01:44:17,580 explore black culture and politics in USA. I also had a 1618 01:44:17,580 --> 01:44:21,860 podcast with black American once. I even shared DNA with him 1619 01:44:21,860 --> 01:44:28,700 via 23andme me purebred Polak, and he 10% Irish, but rest 1620 01:44:28,700 --> 01:44:34,160 African. 29 and a half percent Nigerian, 28.5% Ghanaian, 14.6% 1621 01:44:35,300 --> 01:44:40,300 con Belize, etc. It was tech podcast though. Yo. CSB, yo, 1622 01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:43,180 Adam Curry: yo. CSB, that's right. I 1623 01:44:43,180 --> 01:44:46,120 Dave Jones: love the but it was a tech podcast. Yeah, 1624 01:44:48,399 --> 01:44:50,799 Adam Curry: one more episode of mofax with Adam curry. We're 1625 01:44:50,799 --> 01:44:53,379 going to do 100 episodes, then we shut it down. 1626 01:44:53,980 --> 01:44:55,780 Dave Jones: I thought you've been saying one more episode for 1627 01:44:55,780 --> 01:44:57,880 the past five episodes. No, no, we're 1628 01:44:57,880 --> 01:45:01,680 Adam Curry: 90 days. Always a 100 we're 99 And we hit 100 and 1629 01:45:01,680 --> 01:45:04,620 then we may do something else, but we're gonna shut that one 1630 01:45:04,620 --> 01:45:06,840 down. We're not gonna shut it down, of course, but we're 1631 01:45:06,840 --> 01:45:09,300 gonna, who knows we're gonna do. 1632 01:45:09,420 --> 01:45:12,060 Dave Jones: I hope you come back for emergency special coverage 1633 01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:13,440 from time to time. 1634 01:45:13,499 --> 01:45:16,619 Adam Curry: Well, you know, it's really, you need to know stuff. 1635 01:45:16,619 --> 01:45:21,079 Yeah, it's really up to Mo, you know, it's really up to him, but 1636 01:45:21,079 --> 01:45:25,699 he wants to, I just, I'm just facilitating, but at the same 1637 01:45:25,699 --> 01:45:30,019 time, you know, it's been a very enriching experience for me, 1638 01:45:31,039 --> 01:45:34,279 just to to learn and to share and to say, and he would say the 1639 01:45:34,279 --> 01:45:39,139 same, yeah, this we are very, very, we're basically Obama and 1640 01:45:39,139 --> 01:45:42,159 Bruce Springsteen, but for real and not that phony baloney 1641 01:45:43,419 --> 01:45:45,099 stuff. Who would you want to 1642 01:45:45,100 --> 01:45:45,940 Dave Jones: have a beer with? 1643 01:45:47,200 --> 01:45:50,620 Adam Curry: And on the 23andme which, of course, I've never 1644 01:45:50,620 --> 01:45:54,880 done because I'm not crazy. You know, we once did three DNA 1645 01:45:54,880 --> 01:46:00,240 tests on Phoebe, our dog. They came back wildly different. One 1646 01:46:00,240 --> 01:46:04,440 of them was like, Oh, she's 50% super mutt. Okay, sure, whatever 1647 01:46:04,440 --> 01:46:06,540 that means, super mutt. In 1648 01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:08,820 Dave Jones: the next one, she comes back, she's like, a wiener 1649 01:46:08,820 --> 01:46:09,900 dog. Yeah, exactly. It's 1650 01:46:09,900 --> 01:46:14,160 Adam Curry: just so lame, yeah, but there's no dog in her name. 1651 01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:18,540 Doodle, thank God, she's a She's no nothing. Doodle, nothing. 1652 01:46:18,540 --> 01:46:20,120 Doodle, nothing. Doodle. There you go. 1653 01:46:21,500 --> 01:46:24,620 Dave Jones: Monthlies got Joseph Morocco. Joseph Morocco, $5 1654 01:46:25,460 --> 01:46:30,860 Emilio Cano, Molina $4 basil Phillip $25 thank you, basil. 1655 01:46:30,980 --> 01:46:37,460 Lauren ball, $24.22 Mitch Downey $10 and Christopher Harrick, $15 1656 01:46:38,660 --> 01:46:41,800 Adam Curry: lovely. Thank you all so very much for supporting 1657 01:46:42,640 --> 01:46:47,680 podcast index. In fact, let me check and see if we've had a PR 1658 01:46:47,680 --> 01:46:51,580 request to change our bogus donation. Yes, someone did it. 1659 01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:54,760 Beautiful. Yeah. Emerged it like two days. Thank you. Yeah. So if 1660 01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:58,480 you go to podcast index.org, I'm sure Stephen did it down at the 1661 01:46:58,480 --> 01:47:00,720 bottom, you see a red donate button. You can donate to us 1662 01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:04,020 through PayPal. We always love your Fiat fund coupons, but we 1663 01:47:04,020 --> 01:47:07,380 really appreciate it when you boost us through one of the 1664 01:47:07,380 --> 01:47:10,260 modern podcast apps. And here's a little thing I've been talking 1665 01:47:10,260 --> 01:47:14,160 about more recently, certainly on curry and the keeper when you 1666 01:47:14,160 --> 01:47:17,460 boost a lot with the modern podcast app. Podcast apps.com 1667 01:47:18,720 --> 01:47:22,280 that puts us in the in the fountain top 10. And that 1668 01:47:22,280 --> 01:47:24,500 getting, you know, that makes more people aware of the show. 1669 01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:28,100 It's, it's pretty cool, that way. We should have these people 1670 01:47:28,100 --> 01:47:31,520 had that. Yeah, always there were more lists in general. Be 1671 01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:34,820 great to have, you know, a list of boosts and top boosters. And, 1672 01:47:36,020 --> 01:47:38,360 Dave Jones: yeah, I wish more people than just fountain had 1673 01:47:38,360 --> 01:47:42,340 it, because that would just, everybody lose lists and charts 1674 01:47:42,460 --> 01:47:43,120 people, yes, 1675 01:47:43,120 --> 01:47:45,580 Adam Curry: people do, yeah, well, I just like it for you 1676 01:47:45,580 --> 01:47:49,420 know, we get a tweet. Hey, there's a tweet. Oh, look, we're 1677 01:47:49,420 --> 01:47:52,300 in there. We're in there, we're in there. So, beautiful man. I 1678 01:47:52,300 --> 01:47:56,920 was so bummed out. I was boosting, I boosted 20,000 SATs 1679 01:47:56,920 --> 01:48:01,380 to Chris this week in Bitcoin. And then it's really, it's 1680 01:48:01,380 --> 01:48:04,740 really a let down when, when you hear him do the show, and it's 1681 01:48:04,740 --> 01:48:08,460 like, well, can't read any boost because, you know, my node was 1682 01:48:08,460 --> 01:48:12,900 down, or, I guess he was moving merging to a I'll be hub, like, 1683 01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:19,260 oh man, yeah, bummer. I got a reboost, reboost. 1684 01:48:21,060 --> 01:48:23,060 Dave Jones: Sometimes I'll boost, and then the next week 1685 01:48:23,060 --> 01:48:26,780 it's like, oh, we're traveling. So this is a pre record, yeah, 1686 01:48:27,320 --> 01:48:30,260 Adam Curry: yeah, yeah. When that's when V for V really falls 1687 01:48:30,260 --> 01:48:33,260 apart when you don't get we don't hear your boost on the 1688 01:48:33,260 --> 01:48:36,980 air. Oh, man, I want my boost. I want to hear my boost. Thank 1689 01:48:36,980 --> 01:48:40,840 you. To D's laughs for 1000 SATs. He says, Hello from the 1690 01:48:40,840 --> 01:48:46,000 great, or great great, the great white north. And once told Kyle 1691 01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:50,560 comes in again with 2222 Yep, podcasting 2.0 you're gonna like 1692 01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:56,140 my nuts. That's right. Oh and Dr Scott, 4568, currently fisting 1693 01:48:56,140 --> 01:48:58,900 my nuts in the approved Dvorak method. No 1694 01:48:58,900 --> 01:49:00,420 Unknown: good for you. Good, 1695 01:49:00,420 --> 01:49:00,720 Adam Curry: man, 1696 01:49:00,780 --> 01:49:04,020 Dave Jones: I'm looking at the fountain chart. We're podcasting 1697 01:49:04,020 --> 01:49:06,360 2.0, we're not on the number 16. Yeah, 1698 01:49:06,360 --> 01:49:09,600 Adam Curry: we're not. We're we're lagging. Man, 1699 01:49:10,200 --> 01:49:12,780 Dave Jones: we're in the top 20. We're in that we're number 16. 1700 01:49:12,840 --> 01:49:15,000 Yeah, that's we're. We suck. We 1701 01:49:16,740 --> 01:49:19,440 Adam Curry: don't suck. We just don't have a lot of people 1702 01:49:19,440 --> 01:49:19,800 boosting 1703 01:49:19,799 --> 01:49:24,079 Dave Jones: us. Fountain thinks we suck. Now, does 16 1704 01:49:24,079 --> 01:49:26,179 Adam Curry: is not suck? I mean, listen, let me see how many 1705 01:49:26,179 --> 01:49:30,679 people we have right now in our in our listening live, yeah, we 1706 01:49:30,679 --> 01:49:32,179 had about 100 we had about 100 1707 01:49:33,500 --> 01:49:37,640 Dave Jones: now below, we're below something called the 1708 01:49:37,640 --> 01:49:38,240 bugle. 1709 01:49:39,500 --> 01:49:42,340 Adam Curry: The what the bugle, yeah. 1710 01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:43,300 Unknown: Well, 1711 01:49:43,420 --> 01:49:45,940 Adam Curry: there are so many podcasts. That's what's so great 1712 01:49:45,940 --> 01:49:48,460 about podcasts. There's a podcast for everyone. 1713 01:49:49,060 --> 01:49:51,340 Dave Jones: Darren's show is above it. Larry and Darren's 1714 01:49:51,340 --> 01:49:53,740 show is above us. Well, those guys, they 1715 01:49:53,740 --> 01:49:56,380 Adam Curry: do, I think they do do. They only do one show a 1716 01:49:56,380 --> 01:50:04,380 week. Well. They're definitely more general knowledge type 1717 01:50:04,380 --> 01:50:09,360 stuff, you know, I think if they talked about SQL databases for 1718 01:50:09,420 --> 01:50:12,600 25 minutes, you know, they might see their boost go down. 1719 01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:16,320 Dave Jones: Oh, sure, you're blaming this is, Oh, I see 1720 01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:18,600 you're blaming me for this. 1721 01:50:20,040 --> 01:50:23,120 Adam Curry: We have a very we have a very specialized podcast. 1722 01:50:23,540 --> 01:50:23,780 We 1723 01:50:23,780 --> 01:50:27,800 Dave Jones: do, yes, but, but I'm heartened by the fact that 1724 01:50:27,800 --> 01:50:31,100 Bitcoin Audible is three, is three slots below us, so we're 1725 01:50:31,100 --> 01:50:33,260 still beating them, even though we shadow banned them. 1726 01:50:33,740 --> 01:50:35,720 Adam Curry: We have to take a look and see what's going on. I 1727 01:50:35,720 --> 01:50:39,860 mean, they literally have so many entries. And James really 1728 01:50:39,860 --> 01:50:43,840 dug deep, and he figured out that something about redirects 1729 01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:47,080 and, you know, all these other things on their web page, kind 1730 01:50:47,200 --> 01:50:49,540 of like I didn't quite understand it. 1731 01:50:51,340 --> 01:50:53,620 Dave Jones: Yeah, I'm seeing it. It's just a mess. I'm gonna have 1732 01:50:53,620 --> 01:50:57,220 to go through and clean all that. Yeah, and I'm sure that 1733 01:50:57,220 --> 01:51:01,380 when I clean up every all of all of this stuff, one is gonna, no, 1734 01:51:01,380 --> 01:51:07,800 I'm sure guy swan is gonna send us a big boost. Yeah, thank you. 1735 01:51:07,980 --> 01:51:10,920 Adam Curry: Isn't he the guy with the white, the white strand 1736 01:51:10,920 --> 01:51:11,460 of hair? 1737 01:51:13,439 --> 01:51:15,779 Dave Jones: No, that's somebody else. That's, that's the other 1738 01:51:15,779 --> 01:51:16,079 guy. 1739 01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:18,240 Adam Curry: That's the other guy who is, let me see guy swan. I 1740 01:51:18,240 --> 01:51:21,320 don't know guy swan. I know guy swan is, yeah, 1741 01:51:21,620 --> 01:51:25,640 Dave Jones: that's you're talking about the you're talking 1742 01:51:25,640 --> 01:51:28,340 about the Bitcoin, the dude that shows you how to do stuff, 1743 01:51:28,340 --> 01:51:30,140 Adam Curry: yeah, that guy, yeah. 1744 01:51:31,280 --> 01:51:34,100 Dave Jones: Sorry, sorry, 9000 9631 1745 01:51:35,420 --> 01:51:38,960 Adam Curry: SATs from chimp. I'm not a nut FiSTer. I much prefer 1746 01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:43,420 to toss him. Okay, and br, with 1000 SATs. Thank you. Thank you. 1747 01:51:43,420 --> 01:51:43,840 B, Look, I 1748 01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:46,480 Dave Jones: get, I get it. I bring, I bring a bunch of 1749 01:51:46,480 --> 01:51:50,140 sequel, foreign key relationship talk, and you brought fisting 1750 01:51:50,140 --> 01:51:52,120 nuts, and I see you win. You win. Okay, 1751 01:51:52,360 --> 01:51:58,540 Adam Curry: hey, man, I'm a man of the people. Yes. What do you 1752 01:51:58,540 --> 01:52:00,900 say? Should we call it? Have we done it to the for this week. I 1753 01:52:00,900 --> 01:52:06,120 think we've covered we actually, I have to say, I enjoy when we 1754 01:52:06,180 --> 01:52:09,000 dive deep into stuff. I think there's a lot of people who are 1755 01:52:09,780 --> 01:52:12,060 our audience needs to hear these things 1756 01:52:13,260 --> 01:52:16,500 Dave Jones: clearly. I don't know about a lot there. There 1757 01:52:16,500 --> 01:52:19,620 are people that need to. There is three or four people out 1758 01:52:19,620 --> 01:52:21,180 there that want 1759 01:52:21,180 --> 01:52:24,320 Adam Curry: me to says he's in the boardroom. Hey, David Adam 1760 01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:27,320 C, 1999 Are either of you all going to podcast? Movement? 1761 01:52:27,320 --> 01:52:34,760 Hard? No, no, I'm not doing conferences. No, no, no, no, no. 1762 01:52:34,760 --> 01:52:38,840 Dave Jones: If it was anywhere else then, then Washington, DC, 1763 01:52:38,900 --> 01:52:41,620 I would consider it really 1764 01:52:42,760 --> 01:52:46,600 Adam Curry: I mean, I was just so turned off by the whole 1765 01:52:46,600 --> 01:52:50,320 conference vibe. Last time we went. It's like, no, it's just, 1766 01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:50,680 I mean, I 1767 01:52:50,680 --> 01:52:54,160 Dave Jones: just go to talk, yeah, I don't even, I just go to 1768 01:52:54,160 --> 01:52:57,400 talk to people, yeah, go to any of the crap. I mean, like 1769 01:52:57,520 --> 01:53:00,600 Bitcoin, Nashville conference was fun. Just, 1770 01:53:00,660 --> 01:53:02,700 Adam Curry: yeah, well, no one went to the conference. Y'all 1771 01:53:02,700 --> 01:53:06,600 just hung out at the outside the event. Yeah, that makes it's 1772 01:53:06,600 --> 01:53:08,640 Dave Jones: different at Podcast Movement, because they stay, 1773 01:53:08,700 --> 01:53:11,340 people stay in the conference all the time. So you're kind of 1774 01:53:11,340 --> 01:53:14,520 like, cloistered. Yes, it's a cloister. 1775 01:53:16,500 --> 01:53:17,520 Adam Curry: It's a big cloister. 1776 01:53:19,500 --> 01:53:22,400 Dave Jones: But I mean, I would, I would consider going if it was 1777 01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:26,180 like if it was I just don't want to go to Washington DC. 1778 01:53:26,300 --> 01:53:28,280 Adam Curry: When's the last time you went to Washington? DC? 1779 01:53:29,300 --> 01:53:32,420 Dave Jones: I've never been to Washington DC. Oh, well, 1780 01:53:33,260 --> 01:53:36,020 Adam Curry: there's definitely a reason to go to Washington, DC 1781 01:53:36,020 --> 01:53:38,900 at the right time of the year when the cherry blossoms are in 1782 01:53:38,900 --> 01:53:43,840 bloom and it's not so hot that the urine, you know, wafts up 1783 01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:48,460 from everywhere. The urine, I mean, it's really gone downhill 1784 01:53:48,460 --> 01:53:52,540 a lot, but just to walk around and see all of our national 1785 01:53:52,540 --> 01:53:55,900 monuments and the buildings, it's pretty impressive. It's 1786 01:53:55,900 --> 01:53:58,540 definitely something as an American, you should do it at 1787 01:53:58,540 --> 01:54:02,640 least once. Maybe we'll organize a curry and Jones trip, curry 1788 01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:04,080 Jones family trip. 1789 01:54:04,800 --> 01:54:06,900 Dave Jones: That sounds fun? Yeah, I would definitely want to 1790 01:54:06,900 --> 01:54:10,380 go. I'm flying. It's just not, I'm not gonna go for Podcast 1791 01:54:10,380 --> 01:54:13,920 Movement. That's not a draw, okay, 1792 01:54:14,939 --> 01:54:16,739 Adam Curry: all right, my brother, thank you so much, 1793 01:54:16,739 --> 01:54:20,039 Dave, I guess, yeah, we're on next week is regular, right? Do 1794 01:54:20,039 --> 01:54:22,579 we have a guest coming up soon, or is that? No, nobody? Guess 1795 01:54:22,579 --> 01:54:27,799 not. No, I got nobody. Okay, we don't need nobody, baby. We got 1796 01:54:27,799 --> 01:54:31,579 the boardroom, and we will see you back here next week for 1797 01:54:31,579 --> 01:54:34,279 podcasting 2.0 Have a great weekend. Everybody. See 1798 01:54:50,380 --> 01:54:55,000 Unknown: You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 visit podcast 1799 01:54:55,000 --> 01:54:59,020 index.org for more information. Go podcasting. 1800 01:55:00,060 --> 01:55:02,280 Damn, this could be bigger than Obama. I.