Adam Curry: Podcasting 2.0 for August 9, 2024 episode 188,
nothing. Doodle, hello everybody. It's Friday. Once
again, it is the one day of the week. We all look forward to
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time. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country
and in Alabama, the man whose tail wind is very different from
that of a third of 737, captain's tail wind. Say hello
to my friend on the other end, the one and only. Mr. Dave
Jones,
Dave Jones: that was a lot to get out,
Adam Curry: I know, and I bubbled all over it. I got diary
of the mouth, man, I'm too excited. You need to shorten
Dave Jones: up your your intro. Me reading an audio Well, I
Adam Curry: was trying to be cute and say the man whose tail
wind is very different from that of a 737, captain's tail wind.
But I got this. I fumbled. I fumbled the ball. What can I
say? Fumbled,
Dave Jones: fumbled in
Adam Curry: coxman, yes, if you're wondering, what is that
about, that's the guy who sits at the end of the rowing Skiff
with a megaphone strapped to his face. He is the coxman,
Dave Jones: also Adams nickname in high school.
Adam Curry: Oh so low, low blow. You know, I was, you know, I was
a huge loser in high school. I was a dork. I had the wrong
hair, of course. I had a little bit of those Tourette's
twitches. It was, you know, people, they would literally
piss in the teacher's coffee pot and blame me. I mean, that's how
low I was, good grief, until someone figured out, wait a
minute, you're John Holden on decibel radio. You're that guy.
And overnight, overnight I went to, he's cool. He's cool, you
know, I had, like, the, you know, the jocks around me, like,
how he's cool, man, he's with us.
Dave Jones: So, so you're, so you're studio. Like, what do you
call that? Like, a not a pin name, DJ, name my alien. DJ,
name was John Holden, yes,
Adam Curry: that's a great name. Well, thank you. Well, the
reason, well, of course, it was pirate radio. So let me see if I
have one of my old jingles. Oh, goodness, I probably had. This
is an old cassette recording so for canvassing,
Unknown: a man barely alive, $6 million DJ, Captain John your
pilot of the airway, 1982
Adam Curry: What am I doing here? This is some kind of
Jingle package I was doing. I don't know. Let
Unknown: me listen to that.
What did you say? Huh?
Dave Jones: The what? DJ, did you call yourself
Adam Curry: the pilot of the airway, The $6 million DJ, what
is this? This is crazy. Oh yeah, I got Jing Sung, hold
Unknown: on the pirate boat.
Adam Curry: So because it was, it was really pirate radio, you
couldn't use your real name and and I, and this was kind of a,
it was basically John Holmes, only who, of course, was a fan
favorite,
Dave Jones: of course, of course, he was, yes, it's not
John Holmes. It's John holds John
Adam Curry: Holden, exactly. Oh, yeah,
Dave Jones: the $6 million DJ.
Adam Curry: Do you hear me going like really, trying to get my
voice down low. Yeah, I like
Dave Jones: the underwater, whatever that was, we would,
Adam Curry: we would bring girls into the studio and put a lot of
reverb on them and get them just
that's like church, pretty much. Wow. I just the archives. I'm
putting it right back in the archives. Is where it belongs.
Oh, well, I
Dave Jones: mean, we got we got it now it's living. Is now it's
gonna live.
Adam Curry: Oh no, but I have hours of that stuff,
Dave Jones: every minute of it, every minute I love you doing
your own how so you're 19. Oh, no,
Adam Curry: uh, let me see 82 Yeah. Wait, 80 I'm from 64 so I
was so 84 would have been 2018, I was 18. Yeah, just barely 18.
Dave Jones: Just you at the pocket recorder. Be like just
John Holden,
Adam Curry: you want to hear an air check? I think I got an air
check. Let me see. Oh, please, let
Dave Jones: me see if I have an air check. Anything of this you
can whip out. Is okay?
Adam Curry: Well, careful what you asked for. Yeah, put
Dave Jones: it back. Let's see what this is.
Unknown: Machine. Up.
Mother number, here we go, still stepping high and dressing hip.
I'm not quite sure if they got it all together.
Hi, Fi DHD, hey,
PhD, Mother number two, I love you all the same. I'll say that
much. I won't let you down. Fantastic. 74 decibels to go
move it and groove it and have fun with it. PhD, and I won't
let you done. Hi, Jackie, how you doing? Hey,
Adam Curry: Jackie, hey, Jackie, how you doing? Man,
Dave Jones: that is amazing. I've
Adam Curry: come a long way, baby, come a long way. Do you
swell
Dave Jones: with pride seeing how, how amazing, how awesome
you were at that young age so
Adam Curry: creepy. I mean, there was other stuff. Someone,
someone tweeted me the other day. You know, it was 30 years
ago. In fact, they sent me the episode for August 8, I think,
let me see August. Let me see so a show from 30 years ago called
rave radio. Okay, I don't know if I have that exact episode,
but it was basically this. It was basically house music, yeah,
yeah. See if I can find a break somewhere
Dave Jones: 30 years as you were 29
Adam Curry: Yeah, I was doing rave radio from the New Jersey
warehouse. And this was, you know, this was literally house
Chicago warehouse. Trans, I can't find a break there. DJ
Tiesto was pretty famous. He grew up listening to me on the
radio,
Unknown: really, yeah, yeah,
Adam Curry: I've been around, baby. I'm old.
Dave Jones: So the New Jersey warehouse. What is this? Well, I
was
Adam Curry: living in New Jersey at the time, hello, okay, and so
I would do this weekly show called rave radio radical.
Dave Jones: But you were at MTV at the time. Yes,
Adam Curry: I was, but I was doing it for Dutch radio.
Dave Jones: I always forget that you, that you did a duel, that
you were MTV and you were still on the radio at the same time
that
Adam Curry: 100 and yeah, I was doing, I was doing all kinds of
stuff, and Adam curry top 30 hit list.
Dave Jones: I just want that. I just want the underwater
standard. But for podcasting
Adam Curry: anyway, I'm in a, I'm in a freedom kind of mood
today. Mr. Jones, I am just feeling so good about what, what
we've created here, what we've built our community. And, you
know, screw the advertising, screw the money, just the fact
that we have built something that is available for everybody,
everybody can use. You know, there's no, there's there's no
de platforming. That was kind of interesting. James jumped in to
defend us. Of someone who had, I think guys, was it Bitcoin
audible.com, or something, and they have a podcast, and they're
like, we're not showing up in the search results. Those guys
are shadow banning us. Shadow,
Dave Jones: please, no, yeah. Yeah.
Adam Curry: And James looked into it, it's like, well, you
know, you have like, 15 duplicates, and you have 8000
redirects. You know, it's possible that you have a lot of
stuff going on at the index is a little confused about about who
you are and what someone's looking for, but possible and
probably and probable, yeah. But it really just accentuated for
me. I'm like, but this is so awesome now, it's just awesome,
you know, just I'm looking at what's happening in in social
media, which to me is it's, you know, we're in social media wars
right now, and I don't mean people warring with each other,
but here's an example. So Facebook got kicked out of
Turkey a, I have to say Turkey A, because it's no longer
Turkey, you know, it's like, you can't name it, you know, I want
to have a chicken Kyiv and I have turkey a for Thanksgiving,
yes. So with stuffing, with stuffing, exactly. Exactly. And
I know that that X has not been kicked out of out of Turkey a
because all kinds of sanctions have been made for them to stay
on. And, you know, there's a lot right now of people on Twitter
like, Hey, man, I'm so happy Elon bought it. And, you know,
freaking my speech, man. And like, do you fools? You
remember, it's always fun when it's the other team that's being
censored, yep, and, and I'm trying to remind people of that,
because they get this whole idea, like, oh so great, by the
way. It doesn't matter what you post on social media anywhere
anymore. Doesn't matter this, like, turd swirling around in a
pot.
Dave Jones: Yes, it is, you know, it'll make it just as much
difference. That's
Adam Curry: right, you know, it's freedom of speech, not
freedom of reach. So you really don't know who's seeing your
stuff. You know, x is now removed in the timeline, at
least the Repost counts and the like counts. So when you're
scrolling by, you don't see that anymore, only the number of
views, which is, of course, highly manipulatable.
Dave Jones: Oh yeah,
Adam Curry: you can manipulate that better than you can with
with likes and with reposts. So you know, I'm just seeing like
we're all running around trying to communicate something,
thinking that we're publishing, or where we're saying something
to the world. You're not, you're not. And what's left is really
RSS feeds of blogs and podcasts. That's the only thing I see
left. Yeah, you've gotten over virality, but that's not
important anymore. I
Dave Jones: can't believe somebody thought we shadow
banned him, like that's just not even well, ban you. You're
You're banned. I mean, it's pretty well.
Adam Curry: It's, you know, I don't blame them, because that's
the thinking we've gotten to and whenever someone is not doing
well on YouTube, but a shadow banning me, maybe you just suck.
Yeah, it's possible. Maybe just no one cares, right? Yeah, you
know, I even went into the
Dave Jones: Julie crab Bitcoin audible. There's like 800 of
these things index in there, and the the album art for them is
called shit coin, insider,
Adam Curry: okay, well, Chad, f you know, it doesn't nostr,
because chassis, maybe we should use nostr. It doesn't matter. It
doesn't matter. You know, you're talking to a very limited crowd
of people, and that crowd of people will be great if, if you
just want to talk to a few people, same with Mastodon,
that's all you get. That's what it is. We have to get away from
this I'm publishing. There's no more virality. When the
journalists left Twitter, you never see a news article
somewhere saying, according to this posted on Twitter. No,
yeah, you don't see that anymore. You know that that
bridge has been broken. So it really doesn't matter, which is
why I feel, once you get past that, and I don't really post
stuff anyway, I might respond maybe to someone who has
something to say, even when they say something ugly, I usually
just move on. But once you get past it and you just realize
that the people who are listening to you on your
podcast, that's it. You're not going to be Joe Rogan. And by
the way, I went to the YouTube Joe Rogan YouTube channel, man,
there is a big difference in view numbers depending on
guests. I mean, he's only pulling in three 400,000 for
many of these guests, and you get a Jordan Peterson that goes
to 3 million. But otherwise, it's really dropped off. It
drops off a lot. I think people are losing interest, in general,
in the idea of, well, I don't know what it is. Let me not make
any assumptions, but, well,
Dave Jones: I've got, I mean, I've got an idea. I think it
might be because of that. That's that effect that we've seen over
and over, that people have talked about, that when you go
exclusive to Spotify, you lose your audience. Yeah, you lose
relevance, you lose audience. And then when you come off of
exclusive, exclusivity to Spotify. You're never your
audience is never the same that, yes, it's you take a hit when
you do that deal and then you never get it back.
Adam Curry: I agree, but a lot broke. And what I think really
happened is, besides, well, for Joe Rogan, that specifically,
maybe, but the there was a decoupling from legacy media and
and, quote, unquote, new media. They just don't talk about it
anymore,
Dave Jones: you see. So tell me what you mean. So not following
exactly.
Adam Curry: So the same the same thing, like anything that used
to happen on Twitter or wherever would show up somewhere on
television. Now I'm talking really probably more cable news
than anything, but and Tucker Carlson may be a great example.
Yeah, you know, he might as well be dead everywhere except Tucker
carlson.com and I pay for his network. You know, I support him
that way. And you know, okay, then he puts something on x, and
it says, oh, 8 million 800 million views. Okay, whatever I
mean. You have no idea what that even means, but he has an
audience, and he's talking to that audience, and that is
meaningful to him and that audience. And maybe someone
says, Hey, you should see what this guy did, and I'll go take a
look at it. But Gone are the days of something sparking
virally, and then everyone's talking about it's just not like
that anymore, because the mainstream has what even is
mainstream it is. I think we've really gotten into this
completely desegregated media landscape where everyone is on
their own little island, and there may be crossover, but the
days of one big voice, I think, are gone. It's not Joe Rogan
anymore. It's not Tucker Carlson. It's nobody. Nobody is
the big voice. Look at look at Trump. He can't get his message
out the way he used to. It's not the same. I mean, it's hard for
me to explain, but it's just not the same anymore.
Dave Jones: Did you see, yeah, I agree. And did you see CNN is
like, they're, it's bad. They're, oh, they're numbers
they had, yeah, they Paramount is going to cut 15% of the
staff. See CNN writes down to $6 billion Sure, I saw it. I'm
trying to find the story, because I saw it this morning.
Says it was specifically about CNN, pretty
Adam Curry: brutal. That was an older story.
Dave Jones: Let me check my No, this is this is new. Though.
This is new because I thought it was old originally, too. But
it's actually because they just announced their numbers, the CNN
announced their financials either yesterday or the day
before. I can't, I can't find it at the moment. But what it was
bad. I mean, there's a meat there's layoffs, and a lot of
stuff is happening there, but it's pretty nasty. But I think
it's all like we, which we've been trying to watch the the
Olympics.
Adam Curry: They lost me on that opening ceremony. Man, I was so
soured just by everything. I'm like, screw these guys. I'm not
interested anymore. But okay, you're watching. Yeah,
Dave Jones: I got through it, and we didn't watch the opening
thing. So we're so we're just trying. We're just trying to
watch, oh, man, the advertising is just, yes, it's off once off
the hook, once you're dead, like once you're out of that mindset
for a while, and you try to go back into it, it's just
unwatchable. It's unwatchable. The only saving grace is that
we're watching it on YouTube TV, and so we can skip through that
stuff, but it is just, it's pharmaceutical ad after
pharmaceutical ad after Pharma. That is the only thing that's on
there. Yeah, and there's 100 of them the whole time. It like,
it's just non stop. It's non stop. And of course, it's gonna,
I mean, it's gonna have this effect. I mean, you're going to
your people are just going once they see that there's an
alternative, you know, podcast, you know, there. Why would you
go back? Well,
Adam Curry: also, I'm seeing a large, oh, let me use the word
uptick, large uptick when we go live. That's what is. That's
what turns people on. The idea of, and when I say live lit,
which no agenda has been doing for 15 years, you know, at any
given time when we start off the show, we're between two and 3000
people listening live on a Thursday or a Sunday. I mean,
that's, I find that pretty awesome. That's significant and
and I really try to interact. Let me see what the listener
count is right now, and I try to really interact with them. So
now, right now, we have 93 people listening live. They're
probably all 2.0 people. But the interaction, the direct
feedback, it adds some kind of dynamic that I can't really put
my finger on, that even people who listen to the podcast enjoy.
So when they're listening to it after the fact, there's there's
something big there that that we're not quite able to describe
or put into into numbers or defined, but there's something
about it that really the people like it, the people
Dave Jones: here, take take it to the people.
Unknown: Take it to the people. Boy, take it to the people.
Dave Jones: Well, I, I, I took. A foray this week, a foray, a
foray, which is why my audio was messed up this morning. Uh huh,
you.
Adam Curry: What were you doing?
Dave Jones: Not this morning, but well again, were you? Were
Adam Curry: you cheating on me? We on another show? No, I
Dave Jones: will. I was flying solo. What did you do? I did. I
narrated two audio books and posted them as RSS feeds. Oh,
wow, yes, full on audio books. Well, I mean, they're, they're
short stories.
Adam Curry: Tell me what are they called? Well, if
Dave Jones: you look, if you go to the index and search for
Clark, yes, your middle name, yes. Thank you, Clark, if you
search for Clark, Ashton Smith, A, S, H, T O N,
Adam Curry: murder in the fourth dimension. Yes.
Dave Jones: And the devote. Those two, top two are me,
devotee in the fourth dimension, and the devotee, well,
Adam Curry: you obviously know what I'm gonna do right now,
don't you? Oh,
Dave Jones: yeah. Thank you. Appreciate that.
Adam Curry: Oh, okay, pod sage,
Dave Jones: the following pages are from a notebook. Oh, it was
discovered lying at the foot of the oak tree. This
Adam Curry: is better than John Holden.
Dave Jones: No, nothing's better than John Holden. They would
have been dismissed immediately. Oh, I
Adam Curry: like it. Oh, I'm listening to this. Oh yeah. Oh
yeah, I'm listening to this beautiful I did
Dave Jones: it for a couple of reasons. I've been wanting to do
this for a while. I think you knew, I think you knew I wanted
to do some audio books, sure,
Adam Curry: sure. But what beer Are you drinking? By the way, is
that a PABs blue ribbon or no,
Dave Jones: it's a Michelob Ultra. Okay, the so I thought
about for a while, and there needs to be more content out
there that's actually tagged as medium audio book. Yes, I agree.
So there's this. There's lots of audio books out there, but not
but hardly any of them are tagged appropriately with the
medium tag. So I've taken it upon myself to do this work. So
I'm going to start narrating. Is I'm I enjoy it, I like it.
Adam Curry: I can't I can't wait to listen. I can't wait to
listen. I'm totally digging that idea. Brother, it's awesome. And
Dave Jones: with and so also this get as there's a dual
strategy here, uh huh, because it
Adam Curry: also one is, one is exit strategy to get rich.
Obviously, yes,
Dave Jones: and it's working out great. So far, all my SATs come
from myself, making sure it works on casting magic. So
that's great. At Five SATs a minute,
Adam Curry: yeah, I know I'm very familiar with this.
Dave Jones: Not exactly, not exactly torching the helipad
screen at the moment, but, um, the other, the secondary, uh,
thing is that I want to see how, I want to get a better feel for
how the podcast hosting company UIs worked. Ah, that's
Adam Curry: a good idea. I'm
Dave Jones: going to spread these around. The first two I
did on RSS blue because I have, because I knew that, I knew that
his the Dovi dos interface right up front, like as part of the
creation process, it asks you, what kind of content is this? Is
it podcast? Is it music? Is an audio book. So I'm like, Okay,
I'm going to RSS blue first, because it's going to ask me at
the beginning, is it an audio book? And I'm going to say yes,
so that's, oh, I put two on there. Now I'm going to probably
go to rss.com because I think Alberto has audiobook medium
support on there, if I'm not mistaken. So I'm just gonna
spread the love around. How I'm gonna pay for it all, because
I'm gonna monthly, you know, different podcast host, not sure
how this will work out. Everybody
Adam Curry: have a free tier you can take advantage of
Dave Jones: not I want to pay for my stuff, so I'm I want to
support these guys too. Yeah. So the Yeah. So far, it was a fun
experience. It was a like, RSS blues interface was really easy.
And I would like, I noticed in there, and I think at least also
rss.com, and pod home, and I know, and blueberry, I think
those also support live. So my what I would like to do is do a
live audio like live reading of some short stories, just to get
the fee again. This is just to get the feel for what is so I
can record it as I'm doing it live, go back, clean it up
later, and then publish it nice.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I like that. I like it just
Dave Jones: like 30 minutes, you know, 20 to 30 minutes of
reading, and it's fun.
Adam Curry: Now, are these books that you get off of? What's the
what's the site I'm thinking of? The Oh,
Dave Jones: you're thinking of like Gutenberg. Gutenberg Press,
yeah. Gutenberg, no, I've gotten most of these books and in
physical copy,
Adam Curry: but they're but they're in in the public domain.
Dave Jones: They are, yeah, yeah. I
Adam Curry: think we discussed that. I tried that once. One of
my favorite books as a kid was Tom Swift by was it Appleton, I
think, which was basically a a combo name was a whole bunch of
writers, but they all were under the something something.
Appleton, and some of them are from 1899 and stuff. And it's
all about Tom Swift and his dad. And Tom Swift is an inventor. So
every book was Tom Swift and his flying machine, Tom Swift and
his submersible, Tom Swift and etc, etc. And I started, this is
years and years ago I started, but it was written very much in
the old language of the day. And it would that was pretty racist.
Yeah. And like, I got stuck. I'm like, do I need to change all
these words? What should I do about this? And I gave up. I
might, I might want to revisit that. But yeah,
Dave Jones: the It's always, it's always great to read the
word Negroid exactly as a description, exactly. I'm like,
I'm like, doing it's what do I need to do here? Yeah,
Adam Curry: like, go back and read Huckleberry Finn. Like,
okay, but I like it because you're clearly doing it to
communicate something written that you want to communicate.
And you're not doing it for any other reason. Well, you are. You
have, you have secondary reasons to try it out, but you want to
share something which is which kind of brings me back to my
freedom vibe today.
Dave Jones: The so the the interesting part about reading
these books is that there are these short stories. They're
very calm. They're like, it's very much like you said. The
this, the way they're written, is very It's difficult. It's
difficult. It doesn't flow,
Adam Curry: like reading the Bible, yeah,
Dave Jones: exactly. It feels like you're reading the it's
hard to put like the, you know, you try to when you're when
you're reading an audio book, you're trying to act, you know,
you're trying to be an actor. And then, right you it's, it's
hard to, like, express yourself when the structure of the words
is so foreign to anything you would ever say or hear anybody
say in regular I don't think this is, I mean, this is
obviously not the way they talked even then. But in 1930
1933 but like, it's so clumsy, you know, it's so clumsy to sort
of, to try to make it sort of flow like this, this area,
again, the soul congealing hideousness, the sense of
eternal falling of myriad harpy like incumbent horrors, like,
what, what?
Adam Curry: Well, what I really like is the timing of this,
where we're being inundated with AI voices, and I can tell you
that will never compare. I will listen to a Dave Jones read
above an AI voice any any day of the week, because there's
certain personality and traits that I don't believe can be
replicated with computers. You can get something decent or
whatever, but to have a true interpretation, I mean, that
comes from the soul brother. It comes from a different place.
You know, it's not something that you can replace.
Dave Jones: I did, I did use, I did use AI art for the first
time, it turned out, okay, yeah, okay. I don't think it looks I
don't think it looks horrible. I think it looks like, if you look
at the cover art, I don't think it looks like. It doesn't, to
me, stand out necessarily as AI art. I mean, I think you could
probably tell that it is, but it, it looks sort of old timey
to me. Yeah, murder, not great. Yeah, that
Adam Curry: looks okay. There's a knife on the ground. It looks
like it's Mars as a dude, a
Dave Jones: dude he's a dude, like, I mean, I can't, I don't
have, you know, I don't have no.
Adam Curry: You have no. We have you and I, neither of us have
any art jobs. No, that's, you know, would it be better if
someone made something for it? You have Melissa. She probably
makes something better for you.
Dave Jones: No, she didn't have time for me. She's got her own
stuff.
Adam Curry: It is the entire use case for AI. My wife doesn't
have time for me, so there you go. Use some AI, yeah, the
wheels are coming off. That thing. The wheels are coming
off, I'm telling you now.
Dave Jones: Oh yeah, for sure, yeah. I think I think some, no,
I used mid journey. And I think some of those guys like that
have they for their Let me qualify this. They have their a
a business strategy, a financial plan that works for them now
that financial that that functioning profit, is all based
on the big guys losing money. So because they're they're tapping
into somebody a hyperscalers system in order for this compute
time. Yeah, and that is losing money. So yeah,
Adam Curry: once that, once those guys say, hey, we really
got to charge you for this. It's all over. It's all it's over.
Yeah, yeah. But also, if you look at no agenda, Art
generator.com, which, and you know, this used to be all
handmade art, and now a lot of it is AI. It doesn't stand out
anymore. It's like, okay, whatever a lot of it is, yeah,
well done. But, you know, you don't have a good idea to start
with. So it doesn't matter if it's well done or not. It's just
doesn't hit it, you know, just doesn't hate it. Now, I
Dave Jones: did play the music myself. That is me. Ah, that's
not generated.
Adam Curry: Nice, nice,
Dave Jones: nice. It's like,
Adam Curry: I'll take it. I'll take it anyway. Whatever you do,
don't, uh, don't try Libsyn with one of these experiments of
yours, because that may not stay
Dave Jones: up very long. No, I figured that's already, uh,
that's, that's already a goner. Let
Adam Curry: me tell you. It's, it's bad news when the CEO
supposedly leaves, you know, maybe we don't know, and no one
says anything. Nah, is it? Because
Dave Jones: they all work from home, and nobody could tell if
he left.
Adam Curry: Nobody knew if he was gone or not. I don't know. I
mean that that company has been such a mess financially and
administratively and cap table wise, is just, I don't
Dave Jones: know. Dave Jackson bailed me. Yeah,
Adam Curry: he did. He did. Happy for him. Got a nice note
from Brandon. He's like, Oh, did you Yeah, he heard us talking
about, he says, Hey, man, you know, he was very excited about,
what can I do for live stuff? You know, how can we make pages
like the, like the, the live pages for the bands of Bitcoin?
I sent him some examples
Dave Jones: live on pod page would be really cool, right? And
Adam Curry: by the way, I'm so happy to see that or to read
that episodes.fm will soon include all podcasts. Yeah,
that's great. I'm very excited, because that that thing kicks
ass. I mean, I'm always shooting out the no agenda live and the
episodes on, because we do have an iTunes ID on, on episodes.fm
and it's great because people can just say, Oh, hold on a
second. This is the app I use. Click, and if you want, you can
make it always select that, and it's like, huge problem solved.
Dave Jones: Yeah, the only thing holding it back was just the
dependency on iTunes ID. So
Adam Curry: is he going goo? It's now, is that what he's
going to do, is that he's going to work it what? I
Dave Jones: don't know, I don't think he said yet. Well, I'm
Adam Curry: excited about that. I think that is one of the
biggest, the biggest advances we've made in podcasting in a
long, long time.
Dave Jones: Yeah, because it obviates the need for the
chickens.
Adam Curry: It's a barrage of chicklets. Yeah,
Dave Jones: yes, barrage of chicklets and and also this
begging Apple to support a default podcast player and all
that. Yeah, because that's they're they don't care. They
don't. They're not. They don't.
Adam Curry: No, they don't. It's great. I mean, it's really,
really cool that it truly is. It's one, it's a, it's a great
that was what Apple really brought to the party. You know,
we forget about it, because some of some of us weren't alive back
then. I was flying with this kid. We went up to Dallas. He's
28 that's, remember last That was last week, yeah, and So Ed,
the ed is 28 and you know, it's like, he's like, Oh, so you
know, of course, he's heard of me. He's like, so tell me about
MTV, man. So when were you born? 1997 I said they weren't even
playing music videos on MTV. When you were born,
Dave Jones: it was all jersey shore by then.
Adam Curry: No, of course, of course, of course. Well, he
knows vivo, yeah, okay, great, vivo. But back in the day, you
know what Apple really brought to the party was a one click,
click, subscribe. You know that was, that was the advancement,
because they had the they had the the distribution, they had
the mass.
Dave Jones: They had still one click, subscribe. App to their
app, sure, sure, yeah, only to them, yeah. So, you know, pod,
pod LP, the yes,
Adam Curry: the lobe, the flip phone app,
Dave Jones: light and capabilities, what? What does
that have? As I was saying, it's like pod, LP, I guess that
means, uh, I've always thought that meant lightweight player,
or something like that. No, I
Adam Curry: don't, I don't, um, well, it's chi OS, I know that
they, they run on us, which is a load OS, which is a good OS,
Dave Jones: maybe pod, maybe LP, means low power, low power.
Adam Curry: Could be, could be, but all that stuff works. We,
we've done, hey, just again. We've done amazing things. This
community is so fantastic.
Dave Jones: But pod LP, he sweet Thomas over there, he's he sent
me a note and said he switched, he switched his back end to
using the index. Oh, excellent, yeah. But he did it in a really,
he did it in a really responsible, good way, which is
the way that I always recommend, if you know people ask about it,
which is you, you know you could use us for search and and then
also kind of track the index through the SQL dumps and
through the tracking endpoints. So you're still running a server
yourself, so you're not, you're not wholly dependent on us, so
that, if we go, you know, if we have out, you know, downtime, it
doesn't take out your whole customer base, but you're, it's
just a, it's sort of a hybrid approach, where you're, you're
still running your own thing for your own customers, because
that's your responsibility. You're
Adam Curry: on your own, your own database, during your own
database. I mean, okay, yeah, and
Dave Jones: so, and it's, it's in So Mitch. The reason I
brought one, reason I brought it up is because Mitch is also, you
know, he's re engineering.
Adam Curry: Pod Yes. Welcome back, Mitch. Young Master Mitch.
He is back
Dave Jones: pod first. Let's just call it pod verse, next
gen,
Adam Curry: next gen, yes, G pod verse, next gen, underwater
version,
Dave Jones: aka John Holden, I can do it here.
Unknown: Podcast,
next pod verse, next gen,
Dave Jones: the rodecaster duo needs a John Holden button where
it makes you sound like you're underwater.
Adam Curry: I bet I can. I can work that one out, and I might
be able to try that. But yes, anyway, he's doing pod verse
next gen, yeah, yeah.
Dave Jones: So he's doing pod verse next gen, and he's doing
it also in the responsible way that you do if you're running a
system, is he's, he's using his own database, but just, you
know, syncing things out from us as needed in so he's rebuilding
some error, not rebuilding, but he's building some of the, some
of the SQL stuff right now. Mm, hmm. And I thought we might talk
about it for a minute. Yeah, sure
Adam Curry: thing. Sure thing. By the way, I also saw that he
was getting some some grief from Apple about not working on
Android Auto, or no, that would be the place Google, because it
works for me. I mean, it works on my Android Auto. I don't know
what they're talking about.
Dave Jones: I think it's got something to do with the
entitlement that is needed to do, to take over, to do an
overlay on top of the screen,
Adam Curry: you need the DEI plugin.
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And that's why that's hard to
get. It's a tough. It
Adam Curry: is tough. He's not, he's not in a group. Yeah, the
draw over, I think that's a selection. Isn't that something
you select? Let it, let this app draw over all screens, or
something.
Dave Jones: Yeah, and it's got something to do with with that
they're saying that he's not doing that, not
Adam Curry: doing not holding it
Dave Jones: right. Yeah, you're holding it wrong, yeah. So he,
so he, so he's building, he's building out his database. And
he was talking about what, you know, so how should I do this,
with these, with features so you have, and I just thought I would
lay out, like, the way our database is structured, because
it's
Adam Curry: kind of just in its first Can I just interrupt you
for a second? And now it's time for sexy sequel. Talk
Dave Jones: with Dave Jones, yes, very unsexy. Okay, so we
have, we've got two main tables. They've got a feeds table and an
episodes table. Those have just core RSS tags as columns. So the
feeds table has as the columns, you know, of course, it's got
the ID, it's got the title, the URL, the the GUID, I'm sorry,
not the good. Yeah. No. I'm sorry not the good. This got the
the author, and it's got, you know, this gets got these, the
iTunes ID. It's got these core things, the last time it was
scanned, previous your a previous URL, one back that it
may have existed in the time that it was added to the
database, just all standard stuff. That's, that's the fees
table, the episodes. Table, same, same deal, ID, title,
enclosure, URL, enclosure, type, Description field, all that
stuff. So that's, that's your core two, funk two. Those are
the two biggest tables. Everything, hanging everything
extra that's either a podcast, there's a podcasting 2.0 like
feature. Those are all. They all get their own table. So for you
know our our main feeds table is called news feeds for historical
reasons. And there so the per and he was talking about, like
the person tag. He gave this example of a sort of trying
something. He was trying to figure out how to how to schema
and the so for us, like we have the news feeds table, which
holds the podcast feeds. And then we have another table
called NF, underscore person. And in that table is all this,
all the person tag attributes. So you have the name, the URL of
the bio, the pit, you know, the image, those kinds of things,
the role, the group and the role you to then the way that we the
way he he was given an example, he said, So, if I have one, if I
have an episode over here with uh, with Adam curry listed, and
he has an avatar, yeah, an avatar URL that points to x, and
there's another episode with an Adam curry and Avatar pointing
to Y. How can I, sort of, should I try to de duplicate those
things to where there's one Adam curry that exists in the
database, and I'm just referring to that, to that one from all
these places, because I don't, you know, it doesn't seem to be
possible. And my, my answers don't do that. Well, there's
Adam Curry: more than one Adam curry in the world to start
with, right?
Dave Jones: And he, because he was saying, Well, you know, in
order to do something like that, what you would need is, like a
some sort of person. GUID,
Adam Curry: yeah, a poet,
Dave Jones: a poo, have a have a pued, yes. And so, Adam curry
now has a poet of 11264584, some, something like that. Yes.
In the other Adam curry, who's from, you know, Ohio, Oklahoma,
actually, yes, Oklahoma, his pu it is something different and so
but, but that's all. That's just all not necessary. So instead,
just on your in your table, schema for your person tag, just
use a multi a multi column index. So make a unique index
that encompasses the name, the URL, the role, that kind of
thing. Because what you're gonna what you're gonna end up with
is, sometimes Adam curry may be the host, other times he may be
the guest. Sometimes he may be the producer. So you want, and
you want to capture all of those differences. So if you, if you,
if you uniquely key it on multiple, on a on a multiple
set, then you will encompass, you'll only get one entry for
each of those situations where this Adam curry is truly
different. So you don't have to try to mess with a universal
some sort of like globally unique ID, like a PUD and so
that's this. That's sort of the framework for all of the way
that that, I think is, I think it's good to lay your stuff out
that way, because when you can do joins on, on any of that
stuff, when you need to pull in persons, you can you can join it
in into the into the SQL call. When you need to pull in GUIDs,
you can pull you can pull those in. And it also keeps you from
having to have any sort of table locking, because most, I don't
know how Postgres is, but most database engines will lock the
table first for specific for certain changes, like because it
just has to if you're going to add a column or if you're going
to add a foreign key relationship. Some of these,
some of these. And it's sometimes it's very hard to know
which ones are going to. Lock beforehand and which won't. The
documentation will guide you, but you don't know exactly. So
sometimes you can get that pretty nasty behavior and this
unexpected when you go to sort of like, add a column after the
fact, or definitely when you delete a column. So if you keep
everything in separate tables, you can do those and that's not
going to affect that's not going to affect your your your
database in production as much. Then the, you know, one thing I
mentioned to him was the only thing that, the only performance
hit you get is because is with deletes. So when you delete,
Adam Curry: no, there's got to be a lock.
Dave Jones: Yeah, there's, there's going to be a there's
always a brief lock, because it has to resolve those foreign key
constraints. So when you delete, so like in the person tag table,
example, the person tag is tied to the episode table, and
there's another one tied to the feeds table for those different
scenarios. So let's say that you have, let's say that you delete
an episode that has a corresponding entry in the
episodes person table. Well, there's a cascade effect that
happens. When I delete that episode that you were in, it's
going to go delete that Adam Adam curry also out of the
episodes table, because they're constrained together. That's
that cascading event. If it's if there's a lot of foreign key
constraints there are a lot of relationships in database terms
that that will cause a performance hit. That's one of
the main reasons that we don't do immediate deletes, because we
don't have the Database Machine horsepower to handle that in
real time. We can't, we can't just do that. We have to have
this lazy delete process.
Adam Curry: What is the timing of that? Because one of the main
support questions I answer is, Hey, man, why is this? I deleted
that and it's still there and, you know, and I do a reset, and
it's all good.
Dave Jones: Now, on the feed level, it's not like that's we
don't really delete anything for sometimes, you know, six months,
but like when you if it's talking about, like a whole
feed, because we try to find which we're trying to make sure
there's two, there's two scenarios where we don't delete
things. One is, if it's still a live feed in in iTunes, and
because, again, we're constrained, because we have to
stay in sync with these iTunes dependent apps. So if, if the
feed four Oh fours, it will, it will disappear from search, but
it won't die in the index, if it's still got an active iTunes
ID that Apple is providing information for the other the
other thing is, we give a long time, like usually, you know,
about three months before we actually remove a 404, to feed,
just to make sure, we give them plenty of grace period If they
had a system error, and they bring in, they're gonna, it's
gonna come back. So we don't, we don't just immediately remove
it. It just disappears from search temporarily. Then it,
then we give this grace period that's for feeds, for episodes.
That's more complicated, that's a that is a very slow process
that, because it's doing, because the the feeds table
currently is, like, 160 million records, yeah, you
Adam Curry: got to lock that when you, when you delete
something, right?
Dave Jones: Yeah. And we're only deleting, like, you know, 100 a
day, sometimes right across. So it, I mean, it can take six
months.
Adam Curry: So when I hit, when I hit a reset on the dashboard,
I'm actually locking the database for a delete to be to
be performed.
Dave Jones: You are, but it is so fast, okay, because it's only
one, because it's only one feed, if you were to go in there and,
let's say, and do a reset operation on, let's say, 1500
fades at once, you would see it.
Adam Curry: So here's a higher level question regarding this,
because your recommendation for pod verse, Ng and for pod LP,
etc, your recommendation in general, is to have your own
database and sync with us. How can we mitigate the delays with
POD ping expectations? Well, one of the one of the features I
mentioned of podcasting, two point. And modern apps is, hey,
you know when, when we publish our feed, when I say we, I mean
no agenda, typically, within 90 seconds, it'll update in your
app. Well, that's not true, or hasn't been true for pod verse,
because they sync up with our database, and they don't get
that information until whenever they sync. What is your
recommendation for that?
Dave Jones: That's interesting. I would say watch. I mean, the
the first recommendation would be watch pod ping yourself, for
sure, because it's not hard to do. It's just one it's a one
liner, you know, in Python, uh, Python script,
Adam Curry: you guys coded it right now while you were talking
was so
Dave Jones: easy. Just get your co pilot. Yeah. I mean, second
to that, it would be, watch the, you know, watch our tracking
endpoints for let's, let's say you have your own database, and
that database for your podcast app has, let's say it has
100,000 feeds in it. You could just watch our you can watch pod
pain, which is the ideal solution, great. Well, actually,
that's, that's the good solution. Or even better, first
to encompass feeds that don't have pod pain as well. You can
watch our tracking endpoint also. So you, you watch into
sort of two fire hoses there, because we publish if you go to
tracking dot podcast index.org/current
Adam Curry: tracking,
Dave Jones: let me make sure it's Cool. I'm not lying here
tracking dot current, current.
Adam Curry: Okay, am I gonna get some JSON? Yes, it's loading a
big JSON. Ah, slash, U, 05, DB, slash, Euro, 05, d9, e8, ooh,
sexy.
Dave Jones: Oh yes, good stuff. Okay, so
Adam Curry: this is, this is basically our output of what we
suck in from pod. Ping. So
Dave Jones: no, this is, this is our aggregator. Is our this is
what, this is what our aggregator is doing. So the way
this works is every, I think it's once a minute, we post a
new copy of this file. This, this slash current file. So this
is always the the latest thing. So these, this is a list of the
last X number of feeds, and I think it may be episodes as
well. Let
Adam Curry: me check looks like episodes.
Dave Jones: Yeah. So this is the latest X number of feeds and
episodes that we have found, that we have found that have
updated one way or the other one, that, yes, they have
changed. Yeah. So you can, what you can do. The way this is
meant to work is you can? You can? You can hit this end point
first the tracking dot podcast, index.org/current parse the JSON
and look for the previous tracking URL property, which is
right up close to the top. If you then grab that previous
tracking URL stream and put that in your address bar, you're
going to get the one from the previous iteration. So you're
going to, this is like, pay your it's like you're paging
backwards in a database.
Adam Curry: Yes. Thank you for the thank you for the pretty
print checkbox. That's nice.
Dave Jones: Oh yeah, you're welcome. Yeah, the so if you do,
if you just go in there and then walk, if you get the current,
the slash current first, then get the previous tracking URL
and walk backwards until you hit the last one that you checked,
then you'll know that you've seen everything that we've seen.
And what
Adam Curry: kind of resources is this just a flat file we output
that people are grabbing, or is this a database call?
Dave Jones: This is not a database call, it's a file in
object storage, nice, nice, and it's also cached at Cloudflare.
It's not really hitting us at all. Got it. The other way to do
it is with a database call. And this is the way John Spurlock
does it. Is he? He does. There's a end point called recent slash
data, and it's essentially this same thing, but you're just
using, you're you're doing re, you know, it's live, it's live
data, instead of, like, a one minute delay. For most people,
this is what I would say would work. He's got some different
needs, and he's already got a system functioning on it, so
it's not that big of a deal. But for most people, the tracking
input. Point, if you, if you're always checking this and then
walking backwards to make sure you've seen everything, sort of
like you plant a marker and then walk back to that marker each
time. Then you're always going to see you'll you'll know you've
got it. It's beautiful. And if you see something that updated,
go pull it. You can pull a fresh copy.
Adam Curry: Was that it for database talk?
Unknown: I guess
Adam Curry: because I was getting a little drowsy, just a
little I'm honest.
Unknown: Well, no,
Adam Curry: it's important. Look, you said, look,
John C Dvorak: look,
Dave Jones: I've got a complicated relationship with
lasagna.
Adam Curry: Okay, that is the ISO of the day. Let me see.
Please grab grab
Dave Jones: that. The reason I'm bringing this up is because this
you asked, What do you recommend for this type of problem? To me,
this is, like, the microwave power problem. So, like, you
know, the problem with, if you look on the back of any, like,
heat em up food, yeah, it said, you know, sometimes they'll say,
like, set your microwave power to 50% and microwave it for this
many minutes. Like, no
Adam Curry: Marty, no, no, no spot, like, check, put your
finger on, okay. Boom, blast again. We all know how we do it.
Yeah,
Dave Jones: exactly in book. And the reason is because nobody
understands what the crap is going on with the user interface
for powers on microwaves, you hit the power button, and then
things start blinking, and you're like, Okay, what? What
does this mean? Am I supposed to hit the power button again,
right? Like, and now it says P, 00, what does that mean? Zero
power and so if I hit start right now, is it not going to
turn on? Like, because we're at zero if I hit and then you're
like, either because do I hit the power again, or do I am I
supposed to type it in, because this is 50% power, but what I
see on the screen says, P 05, like, what? What does that mean?
Yeah, and if I hit the and if I get to the power that I need, do
I have to hit start right now? Is that going to start out at
this? Or do I need to hit? Or do I need to type the time in
first, then do the power? But
Adam Curry: it's horrible. And I see, I see Tina sometimes, and
she's like, No, you got to hit this and code two and that, and
then number three. And then it's like, what, you know, all that
stuff. She's got the interface of the microwave down, man.
Like, oh, okay, I had no idea. And
Dave Jones: then, you know, so when you get to something like
lasagna, where it's dense in the middle, like, so I don't
normally eat lasagna because it's one of those things that
you have to heat eat, like, when you reheat it, well, number one
is, usually got too many noodles in it.
Adam Curry: It's, like, it's kind of the feature of lasagna.
Well, I
Dave Jones: mean, like, you know what? I'm more likely because
you're gonna have five layers of noodles in a lasagna. I'd rather
you have, like, cut it down to like, three, okay, and then fill
the rest up with stuff, you know, with like, sauce and meat
and cheese and all that. So but if you go back, it's so dense in
the middle with all that lasagna noodle like sheets, that when
you go to heat it up in the microwave. You got to use the
power thing, because you'll end up with its cold in the middle,
cold sheets,
Adam Curry: cold sheets, I know, cold sheets,
Dave Jones: great for sleeping, not good for lasagna. And so
this is the same type of problem when you say, Okay, we have this
system over here. We have pod ping over here, and we're
getting immediate updates, and then we have this sort of like
Limbo zone between us and this other app. And then how, how do
they get our stuff immediate from pod ping? This is sort of
like trying to figure out power on a microwave like you can,
kind of, you can come up with all these kind of, like guesses
as to how you could do it, or you probably just need to watch
pod pain yourself.
Adam Curry: Okay. How does this relate to database talk? I don't
know.
Let me play a song. Okay, let me play a song. And I selected
something that is a throwback to bands of Bitcoin. I don't know.
Have you ever seen Hey citizen perform live? No, the Hey
citizen experience. It is one of the most psychedelic things you
have ever witnessed. He did a, he did a live show, I want to
say, maybe six weeks ago or something. Can't remember
exactly what it was about, but it was, it was just psychedelic,
and he had all the stuff going and multiple cameras and Like.
Like an early, like early Top of the Pops, you know, with with
weird lighting and filters and and then, you know, since it's
super, super cool. So hey citizen, I guess he was part of
the whole Nashville Airbnb experience, and he wrote a song.
He wrote, yes, he wrote a song, and I wanted to share it with
us. So make sure you boost him and let him know you heard it on
podcasting. 2.0 this is to be in Nashville from Hey citizen,
early,
Unknown: and the morning the rain keeps pouring on the
interstate. This loneliness like a truck and the last Lane
forcing me to put on the brakes. I wish I was with my amigos,
wearing a speedo and watching the rainbow across the lake,
laughing and cracking balloon gas recording a podcast my
friend makes now I'm driving in the left lane with 20 tons of
steel, but it's still pouring rain behind the wheel, cause I'm
too far gone and I'm falling apart. Check Engine light's
coming on for my broken heart got my engine roaring and my Ray
Oh, but all I hear is that honking Tonk blues. I ain't got
no blue suede shoes. So many miles away from Nashville, where
the billboards are funny and the girls call ya honey. Let me sit
on that Tennessee booze. I'd give the Lord all my whiskey and
my pickup truck to be a Nashville walking the bars on
division thinking of sinning with them Southern women dancing
in the street. It's long gone, and I'm missing it. Man's
fishing. It makes funky feel soup. I never thought I'd be
found a boost in a Honda or late night drama, cause you're
choosing the cake. I'm so sad, cause I wanna eat the lasagna
that my friend makes. Now I'm driving in the left lane with 20
tons of steel, but it's still pouring rain behind the wheels,
cause I'm too far gone and I'm falling apart. Check Engine
light's coming on for my broken heart got my engine Rory and my
radio on, but all I hear is lamb honking Tonk blue shirt I ain't
got no blue suede shoes. So many miles away from Nashville, where
the billboards are funny and the girls call ya honey. Let me sit
on that Tennessee booze. I give Lord all my whiskey and I'll
pick up truck to be in a shoe.
The fireworks was insane, the love we had was real, but it's
still pouring rain. Behind the wheel, those days are gone.
Always had to park check engine lights come on for my broken
heart got my engine rolling and my radio wall, but all I hear is
laying on blue. I ain't got no blue sweaty shoes so many miles
away from Nashville, where the billboards are funny and the
girls call you honey. Let me sit on that 10 and see blues. I give
the Lord all my whiskey and nail shield. I pray that God Almighty
just lift me up. I give him all my
money and my
favorite money and my favorite drink. I know in my heart
there's a God up there. Won't you have some mercy? Hear my
prayer, because I don't want to be anywhere except Nashville.
Adam Curry: I give that five stars, five out of five, five
out of five, baby. That is fantastic.
Dave Jones: I love the song Nashville itself. One star, one
out of five. I love Nash. I
Adam Curry: like my engine lights on from my heart like,
Oh, that's a great lyric. That's a great line. That's a great
line. I
Dave Jones: like it, yeah? That was a great that was a great
too.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I got a call from Suzanne Santo. You know
her.
Dave Jones: Why does that name sound really she's been on
Adam Curry: Rogan a couple of times, and she is, she's married
to Nick pizzollato. He's the guy that, single handedly wrote,
directed, True Detective for, I think, HBO, very successful
series about, you know, down, or is it, didn't want to say the
bayou, I don't know where it is, but it's, you know, with Woody
Harrelson and and she calls, she's, she's a musician. She's
an artist, by the way, she rocks the fender like nobody's
business.
Dave Jones: And haven't you mentioned her on the show? Might
I might
Adam Curry: have, I might have, I think you have, yeah, well,
she they just had a baby. He's nine months, nine months old,
little Rosie, okay? And, but she called me says, you know, I got
a new album. I'm putting it together. Says, I'm so sick of
everything. You know, I've heard about the podcast in 2.0 stuff.
So I took about an hour and I walked her through, and she kept
saying, Wow, this amazing. Wow, wow, really, wow. I just kept
going, wow. And so I gave her a whole bunch of links, and I
explained remote items, and you know, how it all worked, and got
her set up, you know, on a couple different apps that she
could choose from to check them out and and if she gets back to
me, I said, Look, I'm gonna hook you up with the costellos. They
are the powerhouses of of the value verse. And so I'm Fingers
crossed. I'm really hoping she digs it, because she would be
great, because she, she has reach. You know she, people know
her.
Dave Jones: What phantom power is doing live, they announced
live V for V music streams every Monday night. Saw that, yeah. I
mean, they're like, partnering with the vinyl lounge. Oh,
excellent. Yeah,
Adam Curry: okay, gotta get on. That gotta be promoted. You
know, that was, the only thing that bugged me is how there was
a lot of toonster, tunester, you know, zap us, you know, like,
okay,
Unknown: you know, well,
Adam Curry: I understand that's an important audience, but that
is the Bitcoin audience. I want to get people out who are not in
the Bitcoin world,
Dave Jones: right? I think it just, you know, it hits me that
what's being recreated here is music radio totally is, because
what you have is you have people, musicians onboarding
into V for V, who, then who publish their music. It gets
picked up by the DJs, on the on the music shows. Yep, you know
your show, phantom power, just it's a mood lightning, thrashes,
these homegrown hits. It gets picked up by these music shows.
And then that's where it gets this heard. You know, it gets
disseminated. Yeah, it's, I mean, it's like, it's like, 1978
radio, no, it's
Adam Curry: even earlier. No, no. It's like, it's going back
to American Bandstand.
Dave Jones: Oh, that's great. It's just so cool. Yeah, yeah,
it's gonna
Adam Curry: get there. It takes time. These things take time.
They take time. They take time. John Holden says they take time.
Dave Jones: Yes. Listen to John Holden kids, uh,
Adam Curry: any, any word from Oscar yet on the wallets?
Anything? I haven't heard a thing
Dave Jones: I've not heard from Oscar. No,
Adam Curry: I looked into that Fetty mint that launched the
new, uh, okay. Mint, yeah. Pass,
Dave Jones: yeah, that's, that is not. Cashew is doable.
Fedimint, no, the distributed, sort of federated, you have to
have multiple people approve it. That's that'll
Adam Curry: work at all. I just went in, I downloaded the app
and messed around, like I see all the problems right away.
Dave Jones: Can you tell me what a roll up is? A layer two roll
up? No,
Adam Curry: I have no idea. I'm
Dave Jones: hearing this phrase all the time, and I have no idea
what that means. A
Adam Curry: layer two roll up.
Dave Jones: Yes. Like there's been a bunch of stories lately
about this thing called a layer two roll up. And it's, I'm like,
This is so new to me, and I You're not explaining what this
term roll ups.
Adam Curry: Can you move computationally intensive
processes to a side chain to ease congestion on the main
chain while stabilizing network fees and transaction speeds.
Dave Jones: Jeff Scott says it's the outside wrapper of a fruit
roll up
Adam Curry: here. What is a roll up? Hold on a second roll ups
are several smart contracts on the Ethereum main net. Do I need
to. Do you want me to read further?
Dave Jones: No, please. Sounds good. Didn't think so. No, I'm
good. Yeah, that's a rug up.
Adam Curry: Roll up is after the rug pull
Dave Jones: Yeah, first the rug pulled in the layer two, roll
up. That's funny. Have you ever heard of a laptop form, by the
way, as far as new new terminology,
Adam Curry: well, I have one here in my office. I have so
many of pretty much a laptop, by the way, for those of you who
don't care, I'm going to tell you anyway, but had a fail on
clone Zilla would not recognize the internal drive. I played
with it for hours and hours, and then I'm like, You know what?
I'm just going to rebuild this laptop. And I've gotten pretty
good at it. And so I because I got all my all my licenses and
everything that's all organized, and it wasn't too hard to to
install everything on this lap. Man, that that G, 3l, 13,
Lenovo. That's a nice machine, baby. I didn't know it has a
touch screen. It has a touch screen. Yeah,
Dave Jones: it's hard to they don't really advertise the touch
screen so much. I didn't even
Adam Curry: realize I just happened to touch the screen.
Like, Oh crap. It works. Sometimes
Dave Jones: you're like, pointing something out to
somebody, and you're like, Oh crap, I
Adam Curry: did something. Yeah. Because you did. It's Anyway,
yes,
Dave Jones: I actually help you at all. Dude with disaster is
actually, yeah, it
Adam Curry: does for scrolling. Sometimes. I have a the touch
screen that I use for my shows at home. Here is a big it's a
big one, and it's touch screen and, and, and I do have a sound
board up that I typically control with the mouse, but in a
pinch, I'll just, you know, go in booze. Just hit it, because
it's, it's nice. It's nice to be able to do that, but it's not
something I use a lot. But anyway, laptop farm, you were,
you're gonna, you're gonna tell us something.
Dave Jones: Oh, no, I just, I had read the story. I think it
was yesterday, and it hit me. So it's talking about lap, laptop
farm, meaning, let me see if I can explain this, because it's
complicated. So there it's, well, the story is this guy in
in the US. You
Adam Curry: sure he's not in Ethiopia, because I think that's
where there's a laptop farm. No,
Dave Jones: this guy's in Nashville, which, you know,
which is one step above Ethiopia,
Adam Curry: after your recent visit. Yes, yes. Uh, so
Dave Jones: he's in. This guy's in Nashville. He got arrested,
because what he was doing was he was, he's an IT guy, and he was
posing like taking, doing remote jobs. So he was applying for
jobs as a remote worker. He would get hired in their it.
They would send him a laptop. He would then log in with VPN
credentials and stuff, he would log in as so he may be, like,
you know, involved in like 10 different companies, unbeknownst
to all the companies he's working, supposedly remotely
for, like 10 different companies. That's great, but
what he's really doing is then turning around and selling the
laptop, the laptop credentials to North Koreans. Oh, no. Oh,
wow, yeah. And so the so then now the North Koreans have
direct access into the IT infrastructure of these
companies he was supposedly working for, wow. And they call
this a laptop farm. Evidently, it's a thing. I have never heard
of this before,
Adam Curry: a dude named Ben, named Ben named Kim. Good one,
cotton gin.
Unknown: That's exactly right. You nailed it.
Adam Curry: Oh, man, wow, yeah. I mean the true hacking is never
sophisticated technology. It's all it's never, it's all
psychological, brother, it's all psychological.
Dave Jones: Garm folded, no, that didn't last very long,
Adam Curry: no, you know, then this has seemed like, yeah,
Elon, he did it, yeah. He went after Garm. They filled it. You
know, it's not like they're gonna advertise with him now,
all of a sudden,
Dave Jones: oh no, no, of course.
Adam Curry: You know that was just, it's another PR move. Like
I'm, I'm concerned about this guy. I don't I, you know, I've
always Elon, you mean, yeah, now I am.
Dave Jones: Oh yeah, yeah.
Adam Curry: I think it's gonna result in no anonymity. You
know, Garma, whatever, okay. I mean, he literally told
advertise to go F themself, right? You know, you don't like
what they care. Yeah, and now he's gonna do this big, yeah,
he's even got these guys all into Trump. Now, Trump is like,
I don't like EVs, but I gotta like him. I gotta like him now,
because Elon, you know, he's good. We got it. Elon's good.
So, you know, and then it goes right into, you need $9 billion
to roll out. This is crazy, you know? It's the whole thing.
Well,
Dave Jones: I guess the thing that got, the thing that caught
my attention about it, was the, the true nature of the company,
suppose. So the story goes that that Garm really like, the
actual entity that is Garm was really like two dudes,
Adam Curry: right? I mean, it's the backing is the American
Federation of Advertisers. I think is not what it's called. I
think so, something new, a World Federation of Advertisers.
Dave Jones: Okay, the so this, I don't know if I can get you this
clip. Got a clip. See if I can find it. It reminded me. It
reminded me of this. Oh, yeah, okay, I think, I think I may
have found it here. Let me copy this. This is sort of a
throwback from a
Adam Curry: couple of years doing it live. People were doing
it live. So
Dave Jones: it reminded me of this clip. You think these
companies, PEPFAR
Adam Curry: was really sorry, yeah, once you go ahead and set
it up,
Dave Jones: yeah. So this is this lady, Catherine Eben. She
wrote a book, a book about the the total scamminess of generic,
of the generic drug manufacturing market, and from
this, so this is from a few years ago, and she's talking
here about Scott Gottlieb.
Adam Curry: Yes, we know Scott Gottlieb, yes.
Dave Jones: And Gottlieb used to be the FDA
Adam Curry: administrator, and then he became a board member
for Pfizer, right?
Dave Jones: And so we hear, we hear people talk about the the
who, the who. And when you hear about these organizations, what
you think, in your mind is, this is these vast in these vast
organizations with, you know, with all these resources and
people and that kind of thing. And the truth is not really like
that, because she talks about what Scott Gottlieb said about
the WHO PEPFAR
Unknown: was really born of the best of intentions, and was sort
of maybe one of the most sort of brilliant, innovative
globalization ideas, which is that the developed nations of
the world and us, the US could use taxpayer dollars to buy low
cost generics from India and send it to Africa to address the
AIDS crisis. So in that sense, it was really remarkably
innovative.
So George W Bush announced the intention of PEPFAR during 0203
and this creates a little bit of a tension within the
administration, right? Because how are you going to fund Well,
the question isn't how you're going to fund it, it's what are
you going to buy, right? So it was the low cost of Indian
generics that made PEPFAR possible. It was based on that
concept that the price of the AIDS drugs had fallen down to
about $1 a day, which allowed a taxpayer funded program to send
these AIDS drugs to Africa, which was reeling from the AIDS
crisis. You had basically an entire continent under a death
sentence. But then the question inside the administration was,
how do you guarantee the quality? And, you know, Scott
Gottlieb, at that point was in the Bush White House,
a great line in your book about how he referred to generics. He
refused to call them generics. He referred to them as
counterfeits,
right? And there were people on the other side of the aisle who
were saying, the World Health Organization, they can come in
and inspect these plants and certify them, and those are
going to be fine. And the view of Gottlieb and other people
was, what's who going to do? That's just like some guy in a
back room in Yugoslavia with a couple of people helping him who
are going to go into these plants and verify the quality.
So the idea was created,
Dave Jones: yes, so that, so we think of the World Health
Organization, this big entity with all these resources, and
Scott Gottlieb is like, no, that's just a couple of guys in
Yugoslavia. This is not who you think it is. The same way with
all the like Garm and all that you hear about these things, and
you think that they're these big things, but they're really, it's
just like a it's like a couple of
Adam Curry: dudes. I know it's like podcasting 2.0 it's just a
couple of dudes. Hey, man, that's, that's the latest thing.
That's a couple of dudes. Yeah, we get
Dave Jones: these, we get these emails. Sometimes there's like
I'd like you to put, could you put me in touch with your PR? It
reminds me of that guy that I think, Sam Sethi interviewed him
on pod news. It's the guy from a hub Hopper, the Indian podcast
associate, where he said he had made up like seven different.
Email addresses, reply from different ones to make people
think that he was a big organization.
Adam Curry: That's funny. Yeah, that was what got
Dave Jones: me. Is this like, I think we just put too much, we
sing too much television, yeah,
Adam Curry: we all. We all think we live in the West Wing. Garm,
Dave Jones: oh, my gosh, Garn, they must. Oh, they're
unstoppable. Yes, couple dudes,
Adam Curry: that's a good point. Yeah. Let me see what else is
happening in the world of podcasting. Think we've, I mean,
has lots of stuff, advertising, blah blah blah, money, blah
blah, blah, Okay, done.
Dave Jones: Well, I mean, I went over the we're kind of, I don't
know, we don't, I don't know if we have enough time to go over
this UID, UID too.
Adam Curry: Oh, I'm very interested, because I have no
idea what it is, how it works, and I've seen you post about it
and but see a lot of technical garb. So can you give me a high
level kind of like the like, the roll up
Dave Jones: the roll up the roll up, um, I guess the high level
would be, what is the high level class
Adam Curry: tracking mechanism?
Dave Jones: Yes, okay, yes, it is. I mean, it's classic
advertiser bull crap.
Adam Curry: Well, I need to know about it, then they've really
Dave Jones: learned nothing in this. So, you know, cookies is
the way this has all worked forever, third party cookies and
just a, you know, for for people, tracking, for tracking
purposes, yeah. And then what? The way that works for anybody
who's not technically, you know, in the know here is that
whenever you go to a website, that website can put a piece, it
can put a cookie, which is just a file on your machine, on your
browser, and every time you go back to that website, it will
send the cookie back with it, so it's good for login state you
log in, it sets a cookie. Now, that cookie gets sent back every
time, and that's how the website knows you're logged in. The
third party cookies came along and molested this concept into
the idea that if I can convince you, the website owner, to put
my banner or my button or my image or something on your
website that's actually from my website, then what's going to
happen is your browser is going to put is going to make a
request to my website to get the image or the button or the
banner. And when it does that, I can then send you a, I can then
put a cookie in right so now if you go to this if you that's on
this website, on website a, now if you go to website B, if I can
convince them to put that same button on their website, then I
can tell that you have been on both of those websites, right?
And that's classic cookie based tracking, and that's how all
advertising works today. Every bit of advertised tracking,
advertising tracking on the internet, all works based on
that. That's why Google was trying to get rid of that, so
that they could look they could have a sort of a face saving
moment where they come up with this privacy sandbox and all
this kind of stuff to get rid of cookies, and where it looks like
they're doing something about it so that
Adam Curry: they could, so they could have monopoly over the
next version of it.
Dave Jones: Yeah, exactly over a cookie 2.0 right? And so then
they but, you know, I think we all know now, about a week ago,
they said they're they're ditching all that. They're just
going to stick with third party cookies for the foreseeable
future, because that's the way this would have works. And the
advertising industry is addicted to that. They're addicted to the
two cookies. But they panicked when they thought that those
things were going to go away. So they've they've been coming up
with, they've been trying and trying to come up with
alternatives. And one of those alternatives that came up with
is UID two. Now this is now UID two is getting thrown around all
over podcast stuff. And I'll be honest with you, I don't
understand why. I don't know how this could possibly apply to
Adam Curry: podcasting. So what is UID to Dave? UID
Dave Jones: two is so and let me, let me, let me give you an
let me give you an image that shows up. It shows the layout of
UID to it'll make perfect sense to you when you when you see
the,
Adam Curry: okay, it's going in the show notes. Everybody,
Dave Jones: yes, yes. This is, this is how easy you ID two is
to understand here. That's pretty simple. These are the.
You ID two workflows. You're
Adam Curry: setting this up to make me think that it's not
going to be very simple to understand. Oh, you put it in
the chat, okay, yeah.
Dave Jones: Do you hear the sarcasm dripping? Yes, I do need
us understands it so he can now explain it to the rest of us. So
UID two is a hash of some personal data of yours. So it's
a you supposed to be a universal identifier, where you get a
where they take, and I said when, when you say they that
means an advertiser takes a hash, excuse me, takes either an
email address or a phone number. Those are two examples they
give, and they hash it into an encrypted form that's like,
supposedly a one way hash with a salt. Then they trade those
around amongst each other, all the advertisers and to associate
when you are the same person in different locations, but
supposedly without revealing to the intermediaries, which is the
OP, what's called the operator of the UID master sync database,
Adam Curry: Google.
Dave Jones: This is evidently being put together by the IB
now, uh huh, um, the to me, so, to me, the Achilles. So, if you,
if you refer to the to the picture here, yes, you'll see,
Adam Curry: you'll see that there's a dread. Put this in the
in the chapter, man, that'll freak everybody out,
Dave Jones: like, What? What? What
Adam Curry: is this?
Dave Jones: There's this sink. Is this? Is this the picture I
was wanting? There's the sink that happens between the
advertisers and the operator, and in order to determine if you
have opted out. So let's say that I gave my email address,
or, excuse me, let's say that an advertiser, because, number one,
if you do nothing, you are you are completely left out of this
process. Yeah. So if, if you sign up to an advert for a
website that uses an advertiser that's in this system, they're
going to hash your email address and hand it over to the
operator, to the UID, to operator. You were not you
somewhere along the line, there was probably some small print
that said, you're, you know, you're assenting to this, which
you never saw, no, of course, in the EU law, yeah. So then you
can go over to, supposedly, you can go over to the operator's
website, which I'm assuming is the IAB, and fill out an opt
out. That's problem number one, this is opt out, not opt in,
right? Problem number two, which I see, is the sort of Achilles
heel of this whole thing, is, in order to stay there's a sync
process that happens where all these advertiser servers keep in
sync with the operator server by trading these databases around,
sort of like we do with a with our feed dump, and then they re
salt all the hashes on a regular basis, and all this, all this
stuff. But every time you request a web page, and then
that web page requests an ad from a DSP. It has to go
Adam Curry: back and be unsalted. All this stuff has to
happen. No,
Dave Jones: it has to check and see if you've opted out. Okay,
so there has to be an opt out check every single time for
Adam Curry: every every element that requests this on a page
before it
Dave Jones: can request an ad. So it's gonna, it's gonna check
if you've opted out before it requests the ad. Now, how this
is, this is gonna take time, because you're gonna have to do
a database check and then do it and then do a bid on a DSP, so
Adam Curry: the database digital services provider, what is that?
DSB, yeah, that's
Dave Jones: the those are the background advertisers,
Adam Curry: bid stream, yeah, good.
Dave Jones: So that opt out. The only way this can work and not
just bring us website to a crawl, is if that opt out check
is at maximum, about 100 milliseconds, right? If it's
more than that, you're going to start slowing. You're going to
it's too slow, it's not going to work. So if that opt out request
does not reply to the browser, you. In about 100 milliseconds.
I can guarantee you that is going to the opt out is the
check is going to fail, and it's going to give you an ad anyway,
yeah, and it's going to track you like this. This whole thing
is a joke.
Adam Curry: Why? Why are they even doing this? What is this
nonsense
Dave Jones: like? You know all it's all based on the pro like,
if you do host reads or coupon codes or anything like that, you
don't need any of this nonsense. No, it's all based on
programmatic ad insertion. Yeah,
Adam Curry: that's what the bid stream is all about. Yeah, yeah.
Dave Jones: All of this, all of this nonsense, is to prop up the
$3 CPMs from dynamic ad insertion.
Adam Curry: It is, yeah, yeah, right.
Dave Jones: The cheap and, you know what? In a Russell, the
from pod two in Australia, Russell on the podcast index. He
had a great point. Let me see, I think I may have let me pull
this thing up. Yeah? He said, Yes. Russell Harri, where he
said, I guess if a business is spending money to promote, they
really want to make sure that 250 was $250 was worth it. Was
worth it. What we know is that is, the higher you spend, the
less likely you care about this data. A client of ours got
charged 5000 to advertise, $5,000 to advertise on TV. The
client tracked it with a phone number and a land and web
landing page, and they were happy. Yeah, that solution
should work for podcast ads, but because it's online, ad exec
thinks we need more data see like the the lower the CPM, the
the smaller your advertisers budgets are. Yeah, and they're
the ones that want all this data, the big guys, they don't,
they don't give a crap. They just have advertising budgets,
and they're just budgets, and they're just gonna spend it. But
if you start talking you get, the lower, the lower you get,
down the totem pole of advertisers, the more greedy
they get to make sure that every cent was spent, and this is all
wasting everybody's time just to satisfy a bunch of people that
want to buy $200 worth of ads. Yeah, yeah. Well, there's
Adam Curry: always going to be advertising. It's always going
to be there, and we'll never know exactly what half of the of
the money worked. It's just that's the way it is. This is
the way it's always been.
Dave Jones: Well, we were watching the Olympics, and, you
know, like, what they would have is the like, Visa would, they
would say, this hour of prime time gymnastics was brought to
you with limited commercial interruption by Visa
Adam Curry: just interrupted me to tell me that, yes,
Dave Jones: so visa bought a block, and they're like, Okay,
you know, we're gonna be the sponsor for this segment, and
they're never gonna know who saw it. Then, then there's no way to
know that. But some, for some reason, the the the web and by,
you know, proxy podcasting thinks that they need every
freaking cent accounted for. It's gross. This is not going to
work that you add d2 is,
Adam Curry: yeah, well, power to them. It's all good. I've, I've,
I'm in freedom mode, baby. I don't care. I'm in freedom mode.
I don't care anymore. It's all good.
Dave Jones: Freedom, mellow.
Adam Curry: I'm just happy that people can podcast that my my
partner, my friend, Dave Jones, can do read stories. People can
talk about what they care about. There's ways to listen. That's
good. It's all good. That's that's why we started this in
the first place. Remember, I remember, remember number, yeah,
remember, yep,
Dave Jones: me and me and John Holden. Let's thank
Adam Curry: a few people, and then we'll be able to wrap it up
with a couple of leftover bits. Here, I'm gonna read some of
these live boosts that came in. Once told Kyle sent a short row
of ducks. 222, howdy from the Valley of the dinosaurs in Glen
Rose, Texas. Have a good weekend. He says, Thank you. We
got Chad F coming in with a nice row of eggplant emojis on my
helipad. 11,111 Satoshis boosting for the hay citizen
experience. Very nice, salty crayon 1188, hot afternoon
boardroom. Shout out to Mitch for the next gen pod verse,
let's hope you can keep it in the Google slave store.
Definitely a daily driver for sending value across the value
verse in the pipe, go podcasting. Podcasting. Another
in the pipe, 222, from salty crayon. As far as AI, there are
some of that already cropping up as quote music on LM beats. You
can clearly hear it in the vocals. It has a distinct sound,
yeah, we're going to be able to recognize that no neural network
like the human neural network Martin Linda's Coke is. Sitting
in from somewhere. I think Scandinavia, 1776, freedom,
boost. Dave, I want to tell author Warren Fahey magenta
about this opportunity. Do you drink Sam Adams? Beer? Cheers?
Martin,
Dave Jones: yes, sure, yes.
Adam Curry: Another 1776 from Martin, freedom of expression,
thanks to podcasting 2.0 Liberty boasts of 1776 Satoshi is best
premises Martin, Dr Scott, he actually recommended the camel
freedom jingle, 456, there's Martin again with cool house
music. Rave on when played the rave radio, 1111, we have
booberry with the promo 333. 33 September, 22 the satellite
skirmish, Autumn rust, new bands, new MCs day, Globe boost
alerts. We got four bands on board, still looking for two
more that would be interested in signing up. Stephen B Eric PP
and make heroism are gonna level up this production on the tech
side. I'm hoping that's a Sunday, because usually they do
that right after no agenda, and they get good juice on that. Let
me see Sunday. Sunday sun. Let me see September 22 let me see.
Yes, Sunday, good, nice, good. I'll promo it during no agenda.
They get a lot of people hanging around and see Salta, crayon,
Lima, Charlie 777, not sure what these are, pre test, pre show
boost tests from Dr Scott. There's another Martin, Lindis
coke with a row of ducks, 2222 Adam and Dave, if you have ducks
in the row, I'm running with scissors now with my Alby hub, a
recently connected wavelength app. The last and fifth step
thing is creating a backup of the keys. I think I need help
with that. He says, shout out to Tomic K That's Tomic KK on. Get
Alby. All the best for Martin, and that I believe, is it? Yes,
I hit the delimiter
Dave Jones: I've got. I'm looking right here at a PayPal
from Oscar. Mary for $200
Adam Curry: Whoa, Hello,
Unknown: Paula, 20 inch Blaze only Impala.
Adam Curry: Thank you very much, Oscar.
Dave Jones: I'm gonna see if I can ring my beef milkshake cup
from over here. Ring it negative. Okay? And Mitch in the
middle of developing next gen pod verse next gen $50
Adam Curry: very nice. Mitch with a baller shot
Unknown: caller. 20 is Blaze only. Impala. Thank
Adam Curry: you. Thank you.
Dave Jones: Round two, also a miss. Uh, we got some booster
grams up, starting off with kiryn from mere mortals. 2222 he
says, this is through fountain, by the way. He says, boosting
for Dave's bed, the couch was actually very comfy, and I felt
safe with banjo and boss monster guarding me. Boss monster is my
cat
Adam Curry: Banjo. Banjo of what, 110 pounds of banjo.
Dave Jones: So let me tell you what happened. So when kiring,
I'd been gone for a few days and banjo, he always gets super
excited when somebody comes back for my trip. So he was already
fired up. And he's a very, you know, he's a very loving dog.
Yes, he's not exactly what I would call gentle, no, because
he's big, he's big, he's huge, but he's not, he's not
aggressive, like he's he's just, he loves people, and he wants to
just, like, rub all up on you and stuff. And so he's excited,
and he runs to the door, and right behind me is Kyron. And I
told kiryn, I was like, I was like, Look, we have a huge dog,
and he's very sweet, but he's very energetic, so I don't want
you to be afraid that he's big. And so I step out of the way,
and banjo sees Kyron and just howls like,
Adam Curry: Man, oh, they must have freaked him out. Chiron
Dave Jones: was like, Oh crap. What have I gotten myself into?
And it's like, look, I promise, I promise He's nice. He's like,
Oh yeah, the old I promise He's nice.
Adam Curry: Said the one handed. Man, yeah,
Dave Jones: exactly it was great. Yeah, it's great. Cool.
Thank you, Karen. Appreciate that. See who we got. Oh.
Beaven. Hour 2222 to pod verse for the Tiny Tim fund. Am I
sick?
Adam Curry: Yeah, you haven't been sick in a while. Knock on
wood. It's about your time again.
Dave Jones: Vitamin D, baby.
Adam Curry: That's right, these milkshakes.
Dave Jones: Andrew Grumman, hey, Andrew, 2222 Oh, yep, 2222 I
heard it on podcasting, 2.01
Adam Curry: 11 was was the Yeah, it was boosting for the song,
Dave Jones: uh, oh, yeah. I see that's Oh. 2022 from another.
2022 from Andrew Grammy says, bed, boost. I. Wherever.
Adam Curry: Okay for Chiron, I guess.
Dave Jones: I guess so. Um, oh, Brian of London, so, Brian of
London, 11, 948, big Israeli boost. He says, I hope you were
properly fisting your Brian. Brian, seriously,
Adam Curry: well, hold on a second. He
Dave Jones: said, Yeah. He says, I hope you were properly fisting
your nuts at the truck stop in last week's drive home story in
the approved Dvorak method. See, nobody's gonna understand that
reference unless
Adam Curry: I play the 42nd fisting nuts mix, which I am
happy to do. Just go for it, John, tell us your peeve about
the fisting method of eating snacks on an airplane.
John C Dvorak: I see this on the airplane, and it's very
annoying, and I think it will result in fights breaking out,
because it's just so annoying to watch. Guy takes his bag of
peanuts and he throws a pile of them into his palm of his hand,
and then he makes a fist around the nuts, around the nuts, and
then he shakes his fist to try to bring a nut to the little
hole stop. And then he throws a nut in his mouth from his fist.
Then he does it again. He shakes and throws and shakes and
throws. It is annoying as hell to watch.
Adam Curry: Hey, John Holden production, by the way,
Dave Jones: what was the name of, what was, what was the name
of the detective you played on the porn movie?
Adam Curry: Oh, God, what was his name? I forget his name. I
don't remember. I don't remember. I
Dave Jones: forgot.
Adam Curry: I saved someone who sent me that. Someone sent me
like a beautiful copy. I saved it somewhere so I can watch it
at my leisure. Watch it later. Yes. Uh,
Dave Jones: now everybody understands that reference. Uh,
thank you. Brian. Uh, see, oh, Dame slammy, hey, I don't know
who dame's Dame slay me.
Adam Curry: I think it's Dame slay me. Okay,
Dave Jones: slay me. Dame slay me. 33,138
Adam Curry: cents, nice. I'm gonna give her a little Waller
for that. Hey,
Dave Jones: coming to cast a Maddox says, Hey, Dave and Adam
boosting as a gift to my awesome dude, sir dude, chink, sir dude,
chink. He loves this podcast, and His birthday is August 14.
Go podcasting.
Adam Curry: You got it? Go podcasting.
Dave Jones: Thank you for cutting us in on the birthday.
Boost. Yes, very nice. Oh, let's see is this. Is this right? Have
we already hit the delimiter?
Adam Curry: It's possible. You know, when the bitcoin price
went crazy up or down, people like, oh, they spend my bitcoin,
Dave Jones: yeah. You know, Bitcoin crashes all this because
it because in in the reason is because it's traded 24 hours a
day, seven days a week, like, if it's a if, if the market starts
tanking on a Friday night, and people need to get liquid, yes,
Bitcoin is the only thing.
Adam Curry: Yes, exactly. And I know it's so weird, people don't
understand that it was supposed to be a store of value. Man,
yeah, look at the 200 day moving average, and you'll see that it
is, yeah, it's a beautiful thing. Anywhere in the world I
need cash, I can always sell, sell some bitcoin. It's
Dave Jones: beautiful that way. Yeah, and it's right back. I
mean, it's just right back up there. Yes, it was 6060,
Adam Curry: and a half, 61 today, kind of in that range.
It's a steep V check mark, recovery
Dave Jones: comic strip. Blogger, 25,000 SATs through
fountain says, howdy, Dave and Adam. I'd like to ask the
podcasting 2.0 community to send booster Grimes to the podcast.
Mo fax with Adam curry. Oh, you can find it at URL, www.mo,
fax.com, it's a podcast where Adam and his black friend. Mo,
Adam Curry: you got to do it like Trump black black friend,
black friend.
Dave Jones: It's a podcast where Adam and his black friend, Mo,
explore black culture and politics in USA. I also had a
podcast with black American once. I even shared DNA with him
via 23andme me purebred Polak, and he 10% Irish, but rest
African. 29 and a half percent Nigerian, 28.5% Ghanaian, 14.6%
con Belize, etc. It was tech podcast though. Yo. CSB, yo,
Adam Curry: yo. CSB, that's right. I
Dave Jones: love the but it was a tech podcast. Yeah,
Adam Curry: one more episode of mofax with Adam curry. We're
going to do 100 episodes, then we shut it down.
Dave Jones: I thought you've been saying one more episode for
the past five episodes. No, no, we're
Adam Curry: 90 days. Always a 100 we're 99 And we hit 100 and
then we may do something else, but we're gonna shut that one
down. We're not gonna shut it down, of course, but we're
gonna, who knows we're gonna do.
Dave Jones: I hope you come back for emergency special coverage
from time to time.
Adam Curry: Well, you know, it's really, you need to know stuff.
Yeah, it's really up to Mo, you know, it's really up to him, but
he wants to, I just, I'm just facilitating, but at the same
time, you know, it's been a very enriching experience for me,
just to to learn and to share and to say, and he would say the
same, yeah, this we are very, very, we're basically Obama and
Bruce Springsteen, but for real and not that phony baloney
stuff. Who would you want to
Dave Jones: have a beer with?
Adam Curry: And on the 23andme which, of course, I've never
done because I'm not crazy. You know, we once did three DNA
tests on Phoebe, our dog. They came back wildly different. One
of them was like, Oh, she's 50% super mutt. Okay, sure, whatever
that means, super mutt. In
Dave Jones: the next one, she comes back, she's like, a wiener
dog. Yeah, exactly. It's
Adam Curry: just so lame, yeah, but there's no dog in her name.
Doodle, thank God, she's a She's no nothing. Doodle, nothing.
Doodle, nothing. Doodle. There you go.
Dave Jones: Monthlies got Joseph Morocco. Joseph Morocco, $5
Emilio Cano, Molina $4 basil Phillip $25 thank you, basil.
Lauren ball, $24.22 Mitch Downey $10 and Christopher Harrick, $15
Adam Curry: lovely. Thank you all so very much for supporting
podcast index. In fact, let me check and see if we've had a PR
request to change our bogus donation. Yes, someone did it.
Beautiful. Yeah. Emerged it like two days. Thank you. Yeah. So if
you go to podcast index.org, I'm sure Stephen did it down at the
bottom, you see a red donate button. You can donate to us
through PayPal. We always love your Fiat fund coupons, but we
really appreciate it when you boost us through one of the
modern podcast apps. And here's a little thing I've been talking
about more recently, certainly on curry and the keeper when you
boost a lot with the modern podcast app. Podcast apps.com
that puts us in the in the fountain top 10. And that
getting, you know, that makes more people aware of the show.
It's, it's pretty cool, that way. We should have these people
had that. Yeah, always there were more lists in general. Be
great to have, you know, a list of boosts and top boosters. And,
Dave Jones: yeah, I wish more people than just fountain had
it, because that would just, everybody lose lists and charts
people, yes,
Adam Curry: people do, yeah, well, I just like it for you
know, we get a tweet. Hey, there's a tweet. Oh, look, we're
in there. We're in there, we're in there. So, beautiful man. I
was so bummed out. I was boosting, I boosted 20,000 SATs
to Chris this week in Bitcoin. And then it's really, it's
really a let down when, when you hear him do the show, and it's
like, well, can't read any boost because, you know, my node was
down, or, I guess he was moving merging to a I'll be hub, like,
oh man, yeah, bummer. I got a reboost, reboost.
Dave Jones: Sometimes I'll boost, and then the next week
it's like, oh, we're traveling. So this is a pre record, yeah,
Adam Curry: yeah, yeah. When that's when V for V really falls
apart when you don't get we don't hear your boost on the
air. Oh, man, I want my boost. I want to hear my boost. Thank
you. To D's laughs for 1000 SATs. He says, Hello from the
great, or great great, the great white north. And once told Kyle
comes in again with 2222 Yep, podcasting 2.0 you're gonna like
my nuts. That's right. Oh and Dr Scott, 4568, currently fisting
my nuts in the approved Dvorak method. No
Unknown: good for you. Good,
Adam Curry: man,
Dave Jones: I'm looking at the fountain chart. We're podcasting
2.0, we're not on the number 16. Yeah,
Adam Curry: we're not. We're we're lagging. Man,
Dave Jones: we're in the top 20. We're in that we're number 16.
Yeah, that's we're. We suck. We
Adam Curry: don't suck. We just don't have a lot of people
boosting
Dave Jones: us. Fountain thinks we suck. Now, does 16
Adam Curry: is not suck? I mean, listen, let me see how many
people we have right now in our in our listening live, yeah, we
had about 100 we had about 100
Dave Jones: now below, we're below something called the
bugle.
Adam Curry: The what the bugle, yeah.
Unknown: Well,
Adam Curry: there are so many podcasts. That's what's so great
about podcasts. There's a podcast for everyone.
Dave Jones: Darren's show is above it. Larry and Darren's
show is above us. Well, those guys, they
Adam Curry: do, I think they do do. They only do one show a
week. Well. They're definitely more general knowledge type
stuff, you know, I think if they talked about SQL databases for
25 minutes, you know, they might see their boost go down.
Dave Jones: Oh, sure, you're blaming this is, Oh, I see
you're blaming me for this.
Adam Curry: We have a very we have a very specialized podcast.
We
Dave Jones: do, yes, but, but I'm heartened by the fact that
Bitcoin Audible is three, is three slots below us, so we're
still beating them, even though we shadow banned them.
Adam Curry: We have to take a look and see what's going on. I
mean, they literally have so many entries. And James really
dug deep, and he figured out that something about redirects
and, you know, all these other things on their web page, kind
of like I didn't quite understand it.
Dave Jones: Yeah, I'm seeing it. It's just a mess. I'm gonna have
to go through and clean all that. Yeah, and I'm sure that
when I clean up every all of all of this stuff, one is gonna, no,
I'm sure guy swan is gonna send us a big boost. Yeah, thank you.
Adam Curry: Isn't he the guy with the white, the white strand
of hair?
Dave Jones: No, that's somebody else. That's, that's the other
guy.
Adam Curry: That's the other guy who is, let me see guy swan. I
don't know guy swan. I know guy swan is, yeah,
Dave Jones: that's you're talking about the you're talking
about the Bitcoin, the dude that shows you how to do stuff,
Adam Curry: yeah, that guy, yeah.
Dave Jones: Sorry, sorry, 9000 9631
Adam Curry: SATs from chimp. I'm not a nut FiSTer. I much prefer
to toss him. Okay, and br, with 1000 SATs. Thank you. Thank you.
B, Look, I
Dave Jones: get, I get it. I bring, I bring a bunch of
sequel, foreign key relationship talk, and you brought fisting
nuts, and I see you win. You win. Okay,
Adam Curry: hey, man, I'm a man of the people. Yes. What do you
say? Should we call it? Have we done it to the for this week. I
think we've covered we actually, I have to say, I enjoy when we
dive deep into stuff. I think there's a lot of people who are
our audience needs to hear these things
Dave Jones: clearly. I don't know about a lot there. There
are people that need to. There is three or four people out
there that want
Adam Curry: me to says he's in the boardroom. Hey, David Adam
C, 1999 Are either of you all going to podcast? Movement?
Hard? No, no, I'm not doing conferences. No, no, no, no, no.
Dave Jones: If it was anywhere else then, then Washington, DC,
I would consider it really
Adam Curry: I mean, I was just so turned off by the whole
conference vibe. Last time we went. It's like, no, it's just,
I mean, I
Dave Jones: just go to talk, yeah, I don't even, I just go to
talk to people, yeah, go to any of the crap. I mean, like
Bitcoin, Nashville conference was fun. Just,
Adam Curry: yeah, well, no one went to the conference. Y'all
just hung out at the outside the event. Yeah, that makes it's
Dave Jones: different at Podcast Movement, because they stay,
people stay in the conference all the time. So you're kind of
like, cloistered. Yes, it's a cloister.
Adam Curry: It's a big cloister.
Dave Jones: But I mean, I would, I would consider going if it was
like if it was I just don't want to go to Washington DC.
Adam Curry: When's the last time you went to Washington? DC?
Dave Jones: I've never been to Washington DC. Oh, well,
Adam Curry: there's definitely a reason to go to Washington, DC
at the right time of the year when the cherry blossoms are in
bloom and it's not so hot that the urine, you know, wafts up
from everywhere. The urine, I mean, it's really gone downhill
a lot, but just to walk around and see all of our national
monuments and the buildings, it's pretty impressive. It's
definitely something as an American, you should do it at
least once. Maybe we'll organize a curry and Jones trip, curry
Jones family trip.
Dave Jones: That sounds fun? Yeah, I would definitely want to
go. I'm flying. It's just not, I'm not gonna go for Podcast
Movement. That's not a draw, okay,
Adam Curry: all right, my brother, thank you so much,
Dave, I guess, yeah, we're on next week is regular, right? Do
we have a guest coming up soon, or is that? No, nobody? Guess
not. No, I got nobody. Okay, we don't need nobody, baby. We got
the boardroom, and we will see you back here next week for
podcasting 2.0 Have a great weekend. Everybody. See
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