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podcasting 2.0 for January
8 2021, this is Episode 19.

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We're scaling up yet again,

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another Friday.

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We have a full quorum, that's
two out of three. And it's good

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to be a podcaster. Adam Curry
here in Austin, Texas. And I

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present to you the man who can
explain podcasting to for no

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with far less hype than myself.
Jones

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I'm assuming you're referring to
my recent interview in the

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podcast Business Journal,

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yes, but

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podcast Business Journal,
spotlight, hello, spotlight.

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It was somehow I managed to get
the word Pornhub. In

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fact, they really appreciated
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this should be a boost bounty of
1000 SATs every single time

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someone uses Pornhub in an
interview, that's a very good

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idea.

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In retrospect, maybe not the
best example.

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But what's interesting is, you
know, I know the story. And I

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know you've heard me tell it a
million times I saw and I was

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really enjoying really loving
how, first of all, and I said

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this to you privately, man, you
got a great voice when you're

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just Dave Jones. Well, let me
tell you how all this works, you

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know. And you have these
thoughtful pauses between you

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know, the question and the
answer. I'm a little envious.

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It's just not me. So I can never
do that. But you're very good at

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and you're enjoyable to listen
to. I was like, But Dave Jones

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just read the phone book to me.

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It's my stage persona as

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well. Your stage persona kicks
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was good, though.

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You did a really good job of it.
I enjoy I enjoyed it. Yeah, it

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was really good.

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He has an easy interview. I
think we should be called

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experts. At this point in time
when we get interviewed. I mean,

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like any, anytime in the media,
somebody interviewed, they just

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say, you know, like, whatever
experts.

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Yeah, right. Right. Right.
Sources sources familiar with

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the industry?

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I'm sorry. Experts familiar with
the industry. Yeah, that'll

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right.

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podcasting experts, Dave Jones
and Adam Curry. j. Jones. Oh,

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Paul, man, so much is going I
want to get them something out

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of the way right off the bat.
Because I feel a little bad

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about something. I mean, not
really. But I just want to set

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the record straight. Not with
you. We're all good brother. No,

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Rob Greenlee of Lipson who had
told me privately that Lipson

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was going to support the podcast
index. namespace. And that kind

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of spun out into something which
I was like, Wow, what's going on

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here? Yeah. And I asked him
said, Can I can I say this

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publicly? He hadn't replied to
me. And then I heard him mention

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it himself on the new media
show. And I mean, it he said it

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and so I brought it up when we
were talking to James Cridland.

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And then, but but I think the
headline is kind of what, what

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made this a little weird is
because I don't think even in

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his private message to me, he
was like, yeah, we're gonna

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support this. We got a lot going
on. And that's kind of what I

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hear his answer was when he was
queried about this. Well, we're

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not, you know, we got a lot
going on, we got a new

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interface, you know, we support
the index, but it was, I think

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it was pushing back on the idea
that they were gonna put their

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head down and, and go work on
it. And, and it kind of spun

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into it. And I just feel there's
a rift here, which is

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unnecessary, because just
wording and it's, in a way it's,

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you know, it was kind of a
headline thing that that spun

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this a little bit out of
control. So

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yeah, Rob Rob didn't have the
best day yesterday. I don't

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think

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no. And there's one other thing,
because I've been following this

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change at the Board of Governors
the What's it called? The RS?

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Oh, no. The podcast Academy.
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think I've been a member. I
think maybe it was a member. I

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don't know. I don't know exactly
what it does. But I've never

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know what you're a member of and
what you're not. I don't I am a

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member of the Hair Club for men.
if that helps. Yeah. throwback,

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throwback, everybody. At none.
Earlier sighs Sperling. He

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passed away this past year, I
think. Yeah, what a great, great

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pitch, man, great, great
company. I mean, I'm reliably

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informed you. So I'm not

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going to see

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the RSS Academy or the podcast
Academy. it you know, wants to

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be some kind of governing body,
which is, it's kind of weird

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when you think about it.
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no person is the same. No
podcast is the same. We see the

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index. Yeah, it's a very diverse
universe across the world. And

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the main thing is kind of these
techniques issues which we just

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grabbed and ran with. And all of
a sudden you see the spark and

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people like, well, if these guys
just say an effort, let's do it.

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Let's all jump on board. And,
you know, so now we're scaling.

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And this is, and this is very
nice to see. I just wanted to

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give a word, a word of warning,
because when I heard that, and

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I'm not quite sure what happened
over there, the Academy, and

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then it was Rob was stepping
down. And somehow someone said,

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Oh, no, we're replacing him,
which is like, if you're

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replacing someone, someone who's
done a service, and then you

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want to, you know, you want to
let some people off the hook

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nicely. You know, he's stepping
down, let him step down. It was

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shitty move. And I'm gonna tell
you right now, what's coming

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with this board of governors
because I was listening to very

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interesting podcasts. I can't
remember. Damn, I wish I

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remember what it was short one
about about podcasting. And they

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are adding del Rey McKesson to
the Board of Governors. Yes,

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I noticed that, that stood out
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And del del Rey McKesson. I know
from one of the earlier mo facts

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with Adam Curry shows, this guy
is a serious activist. And but

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and you know, Black Lives
Matter, okay, but he's from

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Black Lives Matter, Inc, he's
from the the money side, and

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this guy is going to i, i
predict, he's going to cause a

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lot of ruckus, and people are
going to be so worried about

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things that really don't pertain
to the issues that podcasting

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has. I prefer to make podcasting
more open and more diverse for

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everybody by fixing the actual
infrastructure and what needs to

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be done between development and
development. And this feels to

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me like you're gonna get a top
down nasty ass push, and it's

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gonna be about the unions, and
it's just, it's gonna ruin and

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I'm just saying, This is my
experience. I don't know Dell,

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right, McKesson, I only know
what what has been discussed

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about them. And what I've read.
just seems like that's going to

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be a big pain in the ass. And I
think that I think it's a big

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mistake. I think whatever
they're doing that this this is,

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this is not going to turn out
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Yeah, it's funny. I don't know
much about the podcast Academy.

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But I don't think there's a lot
of question marks about what

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actually mean, other than the
ones that do the Emmys? Like the

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award? I don't I

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really don't know. They did the,
at some point, I thought the pot

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they did the there was a podcast
awards that they did. And then

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it was the podcast or Hall of
Fame? And I don't know, I really

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don't know, I have no idea. It's
just a different approach a

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different set of philosophies
there. Because we like if if

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you're trying to this is this
goes back, I think to our

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problems with with all and why
we've done things the way we've

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done it is the problems with
standards bodies and working

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groups, and 501, c threes and
all this kind of stuff. I mean,

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like, if if the answer to the
problems with diversity and

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equality and these kinds of
things, is just putting somebody

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on the board, a different person
on the board of your nonprofit.

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I mean, that's just me, doesn't
change anything. It doesn't

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really change that isn't
actually changed. boots on the

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like the way things are on the
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It's also not it's not a
problem. There's no problem with

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anybody, anybody can start a
podcast, it's open to all that

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this is this is what's insane to
me. Now, if you want to be on

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Spotify, or highlighted on
Spotify. Yeah, I can see people

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going after that. Oh, you only
highlighted three black

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podcasters Oh, the white ones.
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they're gonna do. It's
unproductive, I think

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unproductive?

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Yeah, that's the I don't
understand what the mean, I

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guess just understand what the
top down approach does. And

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we'll see what it gets you other
than just like some news

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releases and that kind of thing.
Yeah, some piece and press and

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press and stuff. Yeah. But then
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like, you really have to help
people. I guess it would be more

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impressive if to me if if
there's going to be like a

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political approach to this
thing, which who knows what this

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will be. But I mean, if it's
going to be sort of a political

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thing, it will be more
impressive to me if they if he

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had somebody that said we're
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start this other organizations
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bring in give grants and that
kind of thing, like putting

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money where your mouth is and
actually help get those things

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started rather than just
pressuring from it it seems like

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it's going to end up being if it
plays out that way as a

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political organizing type.
pressuring somebody pressure

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group ad advertising pressure
curtain? Yeah. Yeah, it's

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because and that's kind of why
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that will implode it will
implode it man, it's just not a

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smartwatch. Anyway, I just want
to say I like Rob Greenlee. This

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from this point on, when Lipson
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namespace, we'll know we've
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a marker, you know, it's like
I'm okay with it. I really I

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just ate and I wanted to quit.
Any like oh Lipson sucks cuz

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they got they got all kinds of
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everybody has stuff going on

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so and they seem to really be
they seem to really be focused

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on that new version of their
their Lipson Sheriff and all

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this I think they're I think
they're very busy right now

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but if we achieve enough scale
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are saying hey, we want these
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so and and I love what Cridland
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right to report this, you know,
but he reports it like a

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reporter, which is why you
listen to it nuanced in

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everything, but yeah, yeah, I
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a good day.

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Yeah, there's a lot a lot of
blood Oh, wait, I said this. But

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wait, wait acid, this laser, so
much backtracking yesterday,

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kinds of things. Now

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we have an exciting guest we're
going to bring in in a moment.

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One of the podcasting 2.0
developers who's been using the

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podcast I think started when,
when when we popped up, he

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popped up pretty quickly. And
keep it keep it a secret no

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surprise for now. I just wanted
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doing with the lightning
payments. So people kind of have

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an idea of where we're at.

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We can't we cannot talk stats.
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the Dred Scott told me straight
up the last episode,

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so it was hard. Yes, it was
hard, man I but I appreciate it.

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Dred Scott, who you'll find a
podcast index dot social, was

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also doing the chapter markers
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produce, I think, but certainly
for this podcast, we appreciate

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it. It shows the power of
podcasting 2.0 we have the the

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listener is participating in the
process. It's very, very

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enjoyable. And I love it,
because I'm like, oh, what did

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he choose? You know, what did he
find important, it's fun to see.

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So where we're at right now is
we have still a incredibly

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successful proof of concept with
Sphinx chat. Sphinx is having

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some, just some routing and some
issues itself. I mean, this is

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all pretty new. And we all of a
sudden, we we dropped in, you

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know, an additional 14 to 20,000
transactions a month that that

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everyone's dealing with, which
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use, compared to what anyone has
seen. In the lightning network.

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We really hijack their whole
their whole thing for

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clogged up channels, everything
real money was flowing, you

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know, real money's flowing. But
paulito has been fantastic. He's

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been helping everybody. And the
main thing we're waiting on is

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some scale, we'd like to show
more people have more people see

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it. And there's, we've been
working Dave and I've been

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working on a couple other ways
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other players in the market. So
you know, we've there's

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graham@voltage.io very excited
about working with him because

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we have a specific way of
putting a new proof of concept

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into place you want to talk
about that real briefly because

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I think it's this is probably
the the most exciting

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progression we've had of this
system with the value for value

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pledge model.

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What do you what do you want me
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like,

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Well, I'll tell you what I think
we're gonna do with him and then

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maybe you can fill in the
missing bits and and the

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technical information.

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Okay, yeah, cuz I think it's
gonna be if I'm not mistaken, it

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may end up being similar to
what? pod station and Gilman

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gear gear man. Man, I can't I
struggle to say his name. With

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what? With what he's doing with
you know, he when he showed his

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proof of concept, right talking?
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he he all sudden popped up. And
there he is. He's like, Oh,

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look, watch this. Hold my beer
boys.

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So I think so he has a way of
Well, anyway, I'll tell you what

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my the wireframe of the idea is
you have any podcast This is

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it's all working. This is the
future. Do you have any podcast

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app, and you hear your favorite
podcasts that you're listening

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to host say, hey, join the
pledge model. Look at your

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podcast app right now. And
there's a little a little icon

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and it's for the pledge and you
hit that and up pops a Hey, do

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you want to have a podcast
wallet? You want $10? in here?

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Okay. Yep, put in your credit
card. Alternatively, if you have

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Bitcoin, you can do it that way.
And then it's authenticated,

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paid, you set your value slider,
how many sets you want to send a

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minute, and you're done.

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Yeah, that's,

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that's the dream.

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That's the dream and the only
thing that will the only thing

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that makes that complicated and
in the current iteration of it

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is that if you It involves
potentially a macaroon. Right,

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right, right, right. And that
we're trying desperately I'm

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trying to work to get around.
And I don't know if it's

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possible or not. But if we
Because see, that's the thing

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with voltage they have. Yeah,
they hit you can buy your your

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node, but you're not really.
You're, they've got that set up

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where it's like you, you put
your credit card and you buy

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your node. That's different.
That's there's no currency

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conversions or anything like
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Notice that there's no, there's
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simple user. And there's no
channels, there's lots of stuff

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we got to work on.

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Because it's a heat because he
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have to do any of the like,
know, your customer stuff, and

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all that kind of stuff. Because
the KYC thing, because he's not

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actually he's getting paid to
run them. Right? The virtual

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hardware he's not getting paid
to buy you can exchange money.

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Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So that's,
that's where it gets tricky is

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like, we got to figure out a way
to be able to interact with a

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node in a way that doesn't put,
you know, all that stuff into

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place, because I don't think he
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either. You know, with KYC, and
all that, because that's

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a big pain in the butt. Right?
Then there's this, the next

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opportunity to do that is with
possibly with L SAP. But that's

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where the macaroon comes in. So
anyway, we're, we're, we're

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pushing.

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And trying. Yeah.

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And while we're pushing, breeze
wallet, they're still heads down

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on development, and their ideas
to come out with an app that

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work the views get in the app
store, and it's good to go. You

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still have to fill it up with
Bitcoin. And you can do that

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through an exchange in their
app. So I have like, I see, I'm

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like the kid who has his nose
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looking and seeing the thing
they really want, you know, like

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what can I just scheming and
devising? Like, how can I get on

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the other side of that window? I
can see.

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Right here, I

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can see it all I can see it all
right. Do you have anything else

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that we need to go over
everything? We need to do sexy

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namespace talk today, or?

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Yeah, we do need to be a little
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do that with Martin, though. Oh,

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that's a good idea that you got
clips too. I'm kind of saying

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this because I see something
really nice here in my I haven't

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listened to it

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yet. We will be able to bring
Martin in. Yeah, we'll drop our

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new jingle.

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Oh my god. Ladies and gentlemen,
wake the kids alert the

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neighbors. We're dropping a new
jingle. Speaking of jingles, the

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man who brought us our first
jingle ever. In fact, I'm going

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to play it for you right here.

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You have been listening to
podcasting. 2.0 visit

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podcast.com for more
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which was his gift to us. Ladies
and gentlemen from Denmark, we

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have the developer of pod
friend. And just seems like a

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super nice guy. We introduced
Martin Martin to you.

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Hi, I'm, I'm extremely happy to
be here. And and first of all, I

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just want to say that I think
that it's it's a bit unfair that

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they made Robert Greenleaf
stepped down just because Lipson

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didn't didn't want to implement
the new namespace.

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And he's funny ladies and
gentlemen.

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You just try it, you're just
trying to pile on James Kirtland

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is what you're doing more
headlines that he has to defend

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as if he was the one that did
it.

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So Martin, I have so many
questions, I need to ask a

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couple of basic things. Because
you live in what the United

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Nations has deemed the happiest
place on earth. Everybody knows

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that Denmark is the best place
to live. And what do you think

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that is? Is it your life work
balance generally, because of

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all the people I've ever seen in
my life, I think you have the

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best.

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I think it's the work life
balance. And it's probably also

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like our social security nets
that, like if you lose your job,

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you don't end up on the street.
And and no matter how rich or

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poor Your parents are, you can
still take an education, you can

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still go to the university and
college you will even get paid

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to do so I think. I think it's
that. You don't have to worry as

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much. But I also think that in
the media, you know, they always

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say that, hey, Denmark is the
happiest nation in the world.

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And then all the Danish people
would be like, what? No. Well, I

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also understand that

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what I've understand from the
numbers is Denmark also has the

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most people using
antidepressants, which I thought

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was kind of interesting, and it
makes sense. And everyone taking

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an antidepressant you're all
real happy. So

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but I don't think
antidepressants make you happy,

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though, but no.

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But they make you fill out the
form properly.

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So yeah. And then and then

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the news that reached the United
States this week, Martin I Oh,

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my goodness. I hope you heard
it. I'm so happy to be speaking

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to a representative from your
country.

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explaining to do yeah,

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was so what reached our shores.
with great fanfare and went

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viral is a brand new kids
television show in Denmark. Oh,

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wow. Featuring a man with the
longest penis in the world. And

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I'm glad we have you to put that
into context for us.

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Yeah. Give us your thought. What
are you learning?

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What are you learning?

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Martin? What

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are you learning about the man
with the largest penis in the

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world?

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And yeah, so I I've only seen
trailers, because of course,

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yeah, it went viral. But yeah,
it's done pillar man, which is

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like john Willie. So,

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john, really? Okay.

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Yeah. So so I think our national
television station, you know,

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they're always trying to push
the boundaries. And I like that.

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And, yeah, basically, I think
what they're trying to say is

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that adults will see this as
like sexualized, but kids in the

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target group, which is like
between five and eight, they

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will not they will just think
it's funny. And it's probably

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right. Yeah. You see on Facebook
and stuff that that is that is

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true children just like, yeah,
that's really funny.

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That's very interesting. And I'm
changing my thoughts on this.

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When I was growing up in the
Netherlands, sexuality was a

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very different thing than it is
today. It was, you know, you go

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to the Sport Club, you know,
like play hockey or soccer,

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football. And there would be men
and women dressing rooms and

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showers. I mean, this was this
was, and now we're talking 40

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years ago, longer, longer than
that 45 years ago. But it was

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much more open. And I remember
specifically, in fact, coming

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from the United States, how
people who had disabilities were

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much more open in Europe.
Whereas where we were coming

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from at the time that we like,
wow, this someone who's really

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messed up, you know, you didn't
really see that in America,

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these people were kind of kept
behind closed doors. And so

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there's been this interesting
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has gotten more open, I think,
much more open towards

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sexuality. But at the same time,
the puritanical Americanism has

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kind of spread across the rest
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really high.

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So yeah, yeah, that's definitely
true. Yeah,

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now they think about it that
that long penis thing, there's

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something to it

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that late, but Oh, okay. Well,
you need to drop our new jingle

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then.

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Which one is that?

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Yes. The jingle hot. namespaced.
Oh,

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oh, yeah, baby.

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And now it's time for some hot
namespace.

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That Jennifer, that's amazing.
Yeah, yeah.

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I gotta hear that one more time.
Let's just say Hey, guys, we're

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here on the show. Now

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it's time for some

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hot names. That's right, ladies,
throw your panties on the stage.

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We're gonna show you the
namespace.

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She did that one for me on this
on this slot?

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is phenomenal.

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national treasure?

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Yes, national treasure. So
Martin. I'd love to know a

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little bit more about you. But
maybe we just start with how you

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heard about podcast index. And,
and how you kind of jumped in.

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And just your whole feeling
about it so we can understand.

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You know, what we've seen from
you. It's just nothing but a

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super nice, optimistic positive
guy who implements my dreams

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within 30 seconds. So you're on
my real good side. Like really

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good. Because, you know, this is
like, holy shit. I'm getting

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everything I asked for.

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That's very nice works. Well, I

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mean, it I mean, the pod friend,
the web app now that I'm on

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what's that? Damn oS? I'm on
grafico OS. I mean, even kicks

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ass. I have it as a web app. And
it's it functions it does

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everything I want it to do.

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Well, the feedbacks funny,
that's, yeah. It's funny, as you

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know, I used to be an Android
and and everything was just

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working. And it was so nice. And
then I got an iPhone as my

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primary phone just you know,
also so I could do development

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and it's just crap. It's only
working in the browser. And and

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there's so many, you know,
problems developing for the

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mobile Safari. So

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it really it really is
interesting. I mean, even a day

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if you know the river

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on

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freedom controller, sometimes my
pins articles will get stuck.

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Okay, turns out that's, that's
not the server. It was the

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iPhone, the Safari browser can
handle that. And I did it on

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graphene. It's like, boom, done.
Three seconds. Sounds weird

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going on was what they're doing.
What do you think that is?

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Martin? They just hate us.

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No, I, I think it's partly
because mobile Safari is just

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not very good. I mean, I'm sure
they have great developers. But

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I don't know if it's not
prioritized. And then I think

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definitely, progressive web apps
are certainly not prioritized. I

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think it's good. You'd like as a
danger to the business model of

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the App Store.

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Yeah, it is. I mean, it totally
is. That's not that's not just

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a, you know, that's not just
fear. That's true. Because if

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progressive web apps become a
strong competitor, yeah, no, you

445
00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:17,460
know, native apps. I mean,
that's a that's a deal. Killer.

446
00:25:17,460 --> 00:25:17,580
They

447
00:25:17,580 --> 00:25:21,300
talk a big, big game about it,
though. Yeah. And that was the

448
00:25:21,780 --> 00:25:23,580
original vision, I think.

449
00:25:23,609 --> 00:25:27,959
Yeah. But on the other hand, I
don't know if you know, but on

450
00:25:27,959 --> 00:25:31,649
the Google Play Store, they
actually allowing progressive

451
00:25:31,649 --> 00:25:35,069
web apps in the store. Now you
can submit a progressive web

452
00:25:35,069 --> 00:25:38,729
app, and people can buy it and
download it. That's, that's

453
00:25:38,729 --> 00:25:43,949
amazing. That's, that's cool.
That's a dream. Yeah. Yeah. And

454
00:25:43,949 --> 00:25:46,889
the same actually, with the
Microsoft Store. They also like

455
00:25:46,889 --> 00:25:50,579
as a desktop app. They also
allowing it now. So I plan to

456
00:25:50,849 --> 00:25:52,289
submit part rent.

457
00:25:52,829 --> 00:25:56,669
Oh, that's cool. Well, that is
progressive. It has

458
00:25:56,670 --> 00:25:59,700
the Mac App, go and go in is
that I haven't had a chance to

459
00:25:59,700 --> 00:26:01,410
download it yet. I was gonna do
it last. Oh, yeah. You

460
00:26:01,410 --> 00:26:09,270
got a nice plug there for. For
pod. Mac. Yep. And so So yeah, I

461
00:26:09,270 --> 00:26:12,270
think it's working out great.
Except I found out that auto

462
00:26:12,270 --> 00:26:15,660
update will only work if it's
signed. Everyone who's

463
00:26:15,660 --> 00:26:18,450
downloaded it so far, I will
have to ask them to redownload

464
00:26:18,450 --> 00:26:23,490
it. And that's, that's just
that. So to get that done before

465
00:26:23,490 --> 00:26:25,110
I push it more? Okay, I've

466
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:28,980
got a question for you on that.
Because if if you? Did you

467
00:26:28,980 --> 00:26:31,320
initially push it through the
website, not through the app

468
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:31,710
store?

469
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,280
Yeah, it's also the Web Store.
And you even have to right click

470
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:40,980
and press open to avoid like to
have that will allow you to meet

471
00:26:40,980 --> 00:26:43,980
at all, which is how I think
like to prevent it being

472
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:47,820
malware and stuff. How can you
sign it? If you're not good?

473
00:26:47,820 --> 00:26:49,860
Does that mean you're gonna have
to put it in the Mac App Store,

474
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,830
or you're just gonna have to put
a developer certificate on it?

475
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:58,020
I think you can do it outside
the App Store if you sign it.

476
00:26:58,020 --> 00:27:03,210
But of course, I want to put it
in the App Store. And I'm just

477
00:27:03,210 --> 00:27:06,180
been holding off because I
definitely want to auto update

478
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,010
to work before I do that.

479
00:27:08,730 --> 00:27:10,770
Yeah, that because I don't I
don't know how that works. I

480
00:27:10,770 --> 00:27:12,660
know. And though on the windows
side, you can sign you can

481
00:27:12,660 --> 00:27:15,720
digitally sign any executable.
But then on the Mac side, I

482
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,500
wasn't sure how that works.
Because I think in order to not

483
00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:22,560
get that prompt, I think it's
not enough. And then correct me

484
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,870
if I'm wrong. I don't think it's
enough to just sign it. I think

485
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:32,550
you have to sign it and be on
Apple's approved. vendor. list

486
00:27:32,550 --> 00:27:36,150
that might be true. Like, I
haven't looked into it. That

487
00:27:36,150 --> 00:27:38,790
much it I know you have to use
Xcode, which is a pain because

488
00:27:38,790 --> 00:27:43,050
Windows is my platform of
choice. So I have I have an old

489
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,430
MacBook Pro, which I'm using for
it because the new m one. Mac

490
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:51,900
Mini is not doing it like that
some of the tools is not there

491
00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:52,410
yet, but

492
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,650
I Oh yeah, I've got an M one.
And I've struggled with it with

493
00:27:55,710 --> 00:27:59,370
some of the it's like everything
works on most of the stuff

494
00:27:59,370 --> 00:28:02,550
works. But then when you have to
go in and like I was installing

495
00:28:02,550 --> 00:28:06,540
a Ruby developer environment,
and a bunch of those things

496
00:28:06,540 --> 00:28:09,540
didn't compile. So he had to
jump through a bunch of hoops to

497
00:28:09,540 --> 00:28:09,900
get it.

498
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,710
Yeah. Also, I just want to say
that it's amazing that now this

499
00:28:13,710 --> 00:28:16,680
show, you know, covered
namespaces. And now we can get

500
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,860
like the hot developer talk as
well like to scale up the last

501
00:28:19,860 --> 00:28:20,400
few people.

502
00:28:23,460 --> 00:28:24,960
We're trying our formula.

503
00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:28,259
We're driving to zero audience
on this show. We're really

504
00:28:28,259 --> 00:28:31,829
driving hard. So Martin, tell us
about yourself, man, you're

505
00:28:32,129 --> 00:28:34,979
where do you live in Denmark?
What do you do? I we presume you

506
00:28:34,979 --> 00:28:35,849
have a day job?

507
00:28:36,420 --> 00:28:40,950
Yeah, so so I live in
Copenhagen, or just, I guess for

508
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:43,710
most people, it will be at the
Copenhagen. I live just outside

509
00:28:43,710 --> 00:28:48,480
of Copenhagen. And I work as a
product manager for a company

510
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,390
called trustpilot, which is like
they do an online review

511
00:28:51,390 --> 00:28:57,270
platform. And it's it's great,
but I just missed developing.

512
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,530
Before joining trustpilot I had
20 years of programming

513
00:29:01,530 --> 00:29:06,900
experience it well, if not more,
but. And yeah, I've just always

514
00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:09,450
been enjoying it. And suddenly I
found myself, you know, not

515
00:29:09,450 --> 00:29:13,110
coding and there's like, ah, I
need something to do. And and of

516
00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:16,860
course, I have had other
projects. But then I, I think

517
00:29:17,070 --> 00:29:21,660
roughly a year ago, I started
developing pot friend and I used

518
00:29:21,660 --> 00:29:27,510
the apple API, you know, as
people did back then. And and I

519
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:31,110
actually looked through my old
emails and I and I found that on

520
00:29:31,170 --> 00:29:34,860
August 2020. I wrote James
Crippen and actually and said,

521
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,750
Hey, James, you seem like the
expert on podcasts? Like what

522
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:44,100
what are options for for for
podcast directories? Because,

523
00:29:45,210 --> 00:29:48,210
you know, apple, you know, their
API is rate limited. So as soon

524
00:29:48,210 --> 00:29:53,220
as you have just a tiny bit of
success, then listen to that

525
00:29:53,220 --> 00:29:53,700
people. I

526
00:29:53,699 --> 00:29:55,799
didn't know that. What's the
what's the rate limit? I'd know

527
00:29:55,829 --> 00:29:58,679
Oh, it of course because it
would be from a central source

528
00:29:58,679 --> 00:30:03,329
or not? No. All right for you
pulling it in. Yeah.

529
00:30:03,869 --> 00:30:06,029
Yeah. So so

530
00:30:06,089 --> 00:30:11,129
I think can you pay a ping? Can
you pay to get more a higher

531
00:30:11,129 --> 00:30:12,239
rate limit from Apple?

532
00:30:12,810 --> 00:30:16,530
No, but I actually wrote them.
Because they do have an

533
00:30:16,530 --> 00:30:19,680
enterprise program where once a
day, you can get like a huge

534
00:30:19,710 --> 00:30:25,380
thing. 10 gigabyte file set up
in information. And, and that

535
00:30:25,380 --> 00:30:28,950
would be perfectly fine for me.
But basically, they replied

536
00:30:29,610 --> 00:30:32,760
that, like, they were being
kind, but basically, between the

537
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:39,060
lines, they said, You're too
small scram. And also, they said

538
00:30:39,060 --> 00:30:41,730
that, you know, if you're just
making a podcasting app, then

539
00:30:41,730 --> 00:30:44,910
you're not interesting. You have
to actually promote music and

540
00:30:44,910 --> 00:30:49,410
books and TV shows for
partnership program. It's not

541
00:30:49,410 --> 00:30:50,460
the podcast, actually.

542
00:30:51,930 --> 00:30:52,470
I get you.

543
00:30:52,859 --> 00:30:57,629
I was a bit depressed. I can
understand. Yeah. And then and

544
00:30:57,629 --> 00:31:03,479
then in pop news, in when was
it? I can't remember. But it was

545
00:31:03,479 --> 00:31:08,069
in September, I think, you know,
suddenly, James robear that

546
00:31:08,939 --> 00:31:14,789
Curry is talking about making,
you know, podcasting. 2.0. And,

547
00:31:15,329 --> 00:31:18,209
and I look in my emails, and I
wrote you right after and say,

548
00:31:18,209 --> 00:31:24,869
hey, I want to be part of this.
And and then you put me in touch

549
00:31:24,869 --> 00:31:30,299
with Dave. And it was before the
website was even live. And then

550
00:31:31,109 --> 00:31:35,399
it was just super easy to get
started. And then yeah, yeah,

551
00:31:35,399 --> 00:31:39,239
the rest is history, as they
say. Yeah. So that was amazing.

552
00:31:40,109 --> 00:31:40,889
Yeah, as seen,

553
00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:46,200
there's there's another. There's
another app that I've just

554
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,980
launched, called, I think it was
on, I think it was in pod news.

555
00:31:49,980 --> 00:31:53,790
Today, Ted got a horrible name,
tap tape, or something like

556
00:31:53,790 --> 00:31:58,560
that. And they seem to be using
the lesson notes API. And, you

557
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,710
know, there's, I think that's a
paid thing. It's like 100, and

558
00:32:01,740 --> 00:32:04,080
something dollars a month or
something like that. And that

559
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,820
that's another thing that we do,
we try to keep this thing free

560
00:32:08,820 --> 00:32:11,940
as much as you can. Because even
100 bucks, if you're not making

561
00:32:11,940 --> 00:32:17,520
any money off your app, even 100
bucks hurts me, it hurts because

562
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,590
you don't know how long it's
gonna last. It's like, Well,

563
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:23,250
okay, maybe I'll get some paid
users. But if it lasts a year,

564
00:32:23,340 --> 00:32:27,450
that's like, 12 $100 out of my
pocket, that I can't get back,

565
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,440
you know, not if you if you got
Venus, not like you have most of

566
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,130
these people have VC backers, or
anything like that. I mean, just

567
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,280
be trying to launch in, you
know, not lose your shirt on it

568
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,610
at the same time. So, yeah,
there may be other options out

569
00:32:41,610 --> 00:32:42,450
there, but they hurt

570
00:32:42,839 --> 00:32:43,649
September,

571
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,870
I did actually look at the at
listen notes back then. And, and

572
00:32:49,170 --> 00:32:55,290
I was thinking of starting to
use less notes. But the price

573
00:32:55,290 --> 00:32:57,750
model, you know, when you're
when you're making software, you

574
00:32:57,750 --> 00:33:01,560
always have this dream? Or maybe
at some day, it will, like just

575
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:06,030
take off and then just like, how
much would that cost? And like,

576
00:33:06,030 --> 00:33:07,770
would they just cut taxes? And
then?

577
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,570
Yeah, well, that we think about
that in the in the other way

578
00:33:12,570 --> 00:33:15,990
around? Because we have people
like somebody contacted me a

579
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:20,490
couple of days ago, and asking,
you know, as I'm thinking about

580
00:33:20,490 --> 00:33:25,410
bringing a potentially bigger
service to use the index, will

581
00:33:25,410 --> 00:33:27,630
you'll be able to handle that
load. And I said, you know,

582
00:33:27,930 --> 00:33:30,540
first of all, thank you for
asking first. Yeah, because that

583
00:33:30,540 --> 00:33:34,920
makes it really nice. But then,
you know, it's like, we don't

584
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,540
want to necessarily grow the
index super big, super fast,

585
00:33:39,540 --> 00:33:42,420
because we can't handle that
either. I mean, like, you know,

586
00:33:42,420 --> 00:33:45,270
I mean, the more people that use
our service, the more you're

587
00:33:45,270 --> 00:33:47,820
gonna it's gonna cost us on
monthly hosting and that kind of

588
00:33:47,820 --> 00:33:48,300
thing. So

589
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:50,790
Dave Jones bandwidth

590
00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:54,629
today? Yeah. So you mean, you
got to be careful about the way

591
00:33:54,629 --> 00:33:57,749
you scale things just the
Internet has, it is a two edged

592
00:33:57,749 --> 00:34:01,499
sword, it can allow you, it
allows you the ability to scale

593
00:34:01,499 --> 00:34:06,059
way faster than you can then you
actually should you get to kind

594
00:34:06,059 --> 00:34:07,829
of control that a little bit,
you know?

595
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:11,430
Well, we're experts at launching
things slowly. Dave.

596
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,120
I like it terminology.

597
00:34:16,589 --> 00:34:21,209
Squish. Yeah, definitely. Also,
I like a human factor for that

598
00:34:21,209 --> 00:34:25,049
as well. I mean, you might have
noticed that that in the start,

599
00:34:25,049 --> 00:34:29,249
I developed like insanely fast
sometimes. And, and, and I think

600
00:34:29,249 --> 00:34:34,859
my girlfriend at one point
called me pot cysts. Like she

601
00:34:34,859 --> 00:34:39,239
loved that I'm really passionate
about it. But I think you know,

602
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,019
at one point, it was like more
sprinting. For me and now I

603
00:34:43,019 --> 00:34:47,039
think, Okay, this is actually a
marathon like, I need I need to,

604
00:34:47,099 --> 00:34:50,159
you know, move things slow. But
also I

605
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,520
really want to thank you when
when I asked you to build the

606
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,120
RSS builder how you jumped on
that was so incredibly kind

607
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,750
because you solved an enormous
problem at that moment. And that

608
00:35:00,750 --> 00:35:03,840
was really above and beyond. And
I just want to thank you again

609
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,910
for doing that. And yeah,

610
00:35:06,030 --> 00:35:10,260
no problem. And I, it's always a
pleasure to make things that,

611
00:35:10,350 --> 00:35:13,800
you know, will actually solve a
problem and and is getting used,

612
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,710
I hope I can improve it even
more, because I think right now

613
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:21,450
it's, it ended in a bit of a
black hole, but, but I hope I

614
00:35:21,450 --> 00:35:24,360
hope we can expand upon it even
more in the future.

615
00:35:24,750 --> 00:35:30,180
Definitely. And so I'm actually
looking at the email September

616
00:35:30,180 --> 00:35:33,600
2, when I got I got your first
email, interestingly enough,

617
00:35:33,810 --> 00:35:36,600
it's very nice to reread that I
completely forgotten about that.

618
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:42,180
Now, what what I like the most
about your work is you are to me

619
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:49,590
a perfect example of, of
developers really, it's an art

620
00:35:49,590 --> 00:35:54,180
and a science. And it's not just
the what you're doing with the

621
00:35:54,180 --> 00:35:56,790
code under the hood, but you're
also kind of a really good

622
00:35:56,790 --> 00:36:02,100
developer designer. I mean, you
you design interfaces, that, I

623
00:36:02,100 --> 00:36:04,800
think Firstly, you design them
real fast. Do you have

624
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:05,940
experience with this?

625
00:36:07,140 --> 00:36:09,780
I mean, you should see, I think
I actually have a screenshot on

626
00:36:09,780 --> 00:36:16,350
my, on my desktop. That shows
how many iterations I go through

627
00:36:16,350 --> 00:36:21,120
sometimes. Yeah, I think I had
like over 20 different

628
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,890
variations of the front page of
the mobile app. And I think I

629
00:36:25,890 --> 00:36:29,970
drove my girlfriend crazy one
time at like sending her like,

630
00:36:29,970 --> 00:36:32,520
we don't live together, so I
kept sending her on an

631
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:37,590
unchecked. Like, what about this
one? Or this one? Oh, yeah, this

632
00:36:37,590 --> 00:36:37,770
one.

633
00:36:42,090 --> 00:36:44,730
Martin's girlfriend's like, Hey,
I'll get back to you. I'm

634
00:36:44,730 --> 00:36:47,370
watching that new TV show with
the guy with a super long penis.

635
00:36:47,370 --> 00:36:47,640
I'll

636
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,700
be right back. Gotta be

637
00:36:50,700 --> 00:36:52,980
careful, man. You can't leave
your woman alone can't

638
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:58,770
do that is true. Oh, yeah. So

639
00:37:00,570 --> 00:37:04,290
I'm trying not to be too fanboy
ish, because I really enjoy so

640
00:37:04,290 --> 00:37:07,890
much what you've done. And it is
my daily driver. I mean, I I

641
00:37:07,890 --> 00:37:11,910
tried to use every single app
that comes out of the out of our

642
00:37:12,090 --> 00:37:15,330
development. And some Actually,
I use in different use cases

643
00:37:15,330 --> 00:37:19,530
like pod station. I use in the
studio all the time, because

644
00:37:19,530 --> 00:37:23,010
it's, you know, it's a browser
extension, pop, boom, he got

645
00:37:23,010 --> 00:37:26,340
something right away. It's
incredibly handy for me. Hyper

646
00:37:26,340 --> 00:37:31,350
catcher, of course, they use for
currently for creating the

647
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,990
chapters. But I also asked my
wife, Tina, to, I want you to

648
00:37:36,990 --> 00:37:44,070
use because she she's a fan of
Tim Poole. She likes Megyn

649
00:37:44,070 --> 00:37:48,870
Kelly, of course, no agenda show
mo facts. She does not listen to

650
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:53,520
the hot namespace talk. She has
tried to appreciate it. But I

651
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:58,200
said, Oh, well, I'd like you to
try pod friend. And and you

652
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,350
know, these are the things you
really find out right. And now

653
00:38:01,410 --> 00:38:03,750
she will be very honest with me.
And she says, Now, I want you to

654
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:05,850
tell Martin, when you talk to
I'm still using it. I really,

655
00:38:05,850 --> 00:38:08,100
really like and she had two
pieces of feedback for you.

656
00:38:08,970 --> 00:38:14,850
Yeah, one. She says she would
really love some kind of

657
00:38:14,910 --> 00:38:18,630
explainer video or something
that just quickly shows the main

658
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:22,290
features because she found them
hard to discover, which I'm sure

659
00:38:22,290 --> 00:38:25,620
is and we talked about the mini
player, which she had no idea

660
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,500
and I see you've changed things
and the flow feels better. I

661
00:38:28,500 --> 00:38:32,610
can't quite even put my own
finger on it. So that was one

662
00:38:32,610 --> 00:38:35,670
piece of feedback. But the
funniest one this morning was

663
00:38:36,060 --> 00:38:39,840
how come I can't create a
chapter on it. Like, Ooh, okay.

664
00:38:42,210 --> 00:38:47,310
So so I can definitely it talks
about, like the onboarding. Like

665
00:38:47,340 --> 00:38:50,070
actually learning how to use the
app is something that I

666
00:38:50,070 --> 00:38:54,000
definitely want to do. Like, I
actually share the podcast app

667
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,650
on both my facebook profile and
my LinkedIn profile. And, and I

668
00:38:58,650 --> 00:39:01,800
felt really bad doing that,
because I like, oh, there's so

669
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,910
many things that I've done or
not done and yeah. And and I

670
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:10,260
think giving people an
introduction to how to use it.

671
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:15,510
Like, even just something as
simple as, like a, you know,

672
00:39:16,170 --> 00:39:21,510
arrow pointing, like search for
a podcast here. Like, I will

673
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:22,230
definitely do that.

674
00:39:22,290 --> 00:39:24,840
Yeah, I'm a fan of those kinds
of tutorials. I like that better

675
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,760
than a video myself. I like that
too.

676
00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:30,600
Yeah, as long as there's a skip
button for the empower. Yeah,

677
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,980
exactly. Yeah. Yeah. But But,
um, yeah, I think my to do list

678
00:39:34,980 --> 00:39:39,630
is like, you know, insanely long
like every time I get an idea,

679
00:39:39,660 --> 00:39:46,770
write it down. And, and I tried
to be selective to select, or to

680
00:39:46,770 --> 00:39:49,560
develop a little bit of quality
of life that just makes the app

681
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,890
better. A little bit of new
things that will, you know, give

682
00:39:52,890 --> 00:39:56,610
it a bit of exposure like then
you will share the link or the

683
00:39:56,610 --> 00:40:00,660
news like because something is
new and interesting and And also

684
00:40:00,660 --> 00:40:03,930
thinks that we'll just move it
forward, like, you know, the

685
00:40:03,930 --> 00:40:08,010
login so that that that's not
interesting in itself. But as

686
00:40:08,010 --> 00:40:12,180
soon as I have the
synchronization right on mobile

687
00:40:12,180 --> 00:40:15,720
and and and the best of app,
then it's interesting as I tried

688
00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:18,840
to, you know, split out. And
then, of course that things

689
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,630
where it's a little bit hit and
miss, like, I've worked a lot on

690
00:40:21,630 --> 00:40:26,220
the chat lately, and it's
working nice. But then I'm

691
00:40:26,220 --> 00:40:29,160
thinking like, how many people
actually use like a real time

692
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,430
chat? Maybe, you know, it would
be better with like, a feed

693
00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:35,970
structure. But no, it's there.
And well, I haven't released it

694
00:40:35,970 --> 00:40:36,180
yet.

695
00:40:36,180 --> 00:40:38,370
But what are you using for the
back end for that?

696
00:40:39,150 --> 00:40:47,250
So I programmed my own server,
of course, as you do, but no,

697
00:40:47,250 --> 00:40:59,100
that was a joke. Because that
would be nice. But in the end, I

698
00:40:59,550 --> 00:41:04,590
thought it was kind of easier
for my own purposes to do to

699
00:41:04,620 --> 00:41:07,530
work my own, because then I
know, I can save each chat

700
00:41:07,530 --> 00:41:11,760
message with a timestamp for the
specific point in the episode

701
00:41:12,270 --> 00:41:12,690
like that.

702
00:41:14,070 --> 00:41:14,760
But a lot of

703
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,710
Yeah, but on the other hand,
then it's like, do I really want

704
00:41:19,710 --> 00:41:23,100
to do that? Do I want to save
the conversations? Or do I just

705
00:41:23,100 --> 00:41:26,970
want it to be a live chat?
Because I also want to make it

706
00:41:26,970 --> 00:41:30,630
into a widget so that I can tell
podcast host Hey, crap, this

707
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:33,270
chat chat widget and put it on
your own website? Yeah.

708
00:41:34,170 --> 00:41:35,190
That's a good idea.

709
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:41,850
And and, yeah, so so I haven't
completely, you know, finished

710
00:41:41,850 --> 00:41:44,730
that. But I do hope that, you
know, over the next couple of

711
00:41:44,730 --> 00:41:49,290
weeks, that's to finish the Chat
Chat. And then there's the

712
00:41:49,290 --> 00:41:52,800
matter of two chapters, which I
think is interesting, because I

713
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,890
made the whole chapter builder
thing, which was not really a

714
00:41:55,890 --> 00:42:00,420
success. And I, I can, it's not
that nice to use, I think I can

715
00:42:00,420 --> 00:42:05,340
easily improve it, but as a road
on podcast, index that socials

716
00:42:05,340 --> 00:42:09,750
that, right now, there's like
this competition that that hyper

717
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:13,770
capture is really good at, like,
the chapters and the community

718
00:42:13,770 --> 00:42:16,830
chapters. And I felt like, hey,
if I, if I do something like

719
00:42:16,830 --> 00:42:19,560
that, it's just like a meet who
really wants to solve, like how

720
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:24,450
we can work together as apps to
share this. chapters. Like

721
00:42:24,450 --> 00:42:26,880
that's, that's, that's what I
would like to solve. I

722
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,480
agree. I'm glad you're thinking
that way. Because that's that,

723
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:36,720
you know, Mo Mo facts does, he
gives me a lot of feedback on

724
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:40,320
was he's a real YouTuber, and
he's a little more down. He

725
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,510
always said, Adam, I'll give you
something from the street, man,

726
00:42:42,510 --> 00:42:46,290
you gotta listen up for
podcasting. 2.0. And without a

727
00:42:46,290 --> 00:42:54,960
doubt, the the ability to chat
is huge. That's what YouTube is.

728
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,080
But also, there's this new app,
it's iOS only, I think it's

729
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:58,650
called.

730
00:43:00,270 --> 00:43:00,900
God, it's

731
00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:06,810
not cloud share. It's he told me
about it. It's on waitlist right

732
00:43:06,810 --> 00:43:10,440
now. But that's pretty much
listening to your favorite

733
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,940
podcasts. And I think there's
some kind of simultaneous chat,

734
00:43:14,970 --> 00:43:19,590
he says that's Bubbling Under.
But really, anyone who can solve

735
00:43:19,590 --> 00:43:26,280
the cross app problem, have a
chat is going to really

736
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:31,350
invigorate the entire the entire
ecosystem, that will be huge.

737
00:43:32,670 --> 00:43:36,930
And I did think about just
making, you know, open

738
00:43:36,930 --> 00:43:40,110
endpoints, so that that, that if
people want to, you know,

739
00:43:40,110 --> 00:43:42,690
implement the chat, then they
can just do that in their own

740
00:43:42,690 --> 00:43:45,750
client and just call like, send
message and get messages right,

741
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,830
then I'm like, that that's not
really open. That's just very

742
00:43:49,830 --> 00:43:53,310
centralized API server. And I'm
not I'm not even ready to become

743
00:43:53,310 --> 00:43:54,570
that centralized point. So

744
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:54,930
you don't

745
00:43:55,950 --> 00:44:01,050
know. I've looked at things
there is, I think it's called

746
00:44:01,050 --> 00:44:05,550
matrix.org. And I haven't tried
it. So it might be horrible, but

747
00:44:06,060 --> 00:44:12,180
I think they they're trying to
be like a distributed chat. So I

748
00:44:12,180 --> 00:44:18,300
would love to try something like
that. But like the nonprofit

749
00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:20,160
also, I think, and

750
00:44:20,910 --> 00:44:25,230
I think the lightning stuff,
really the effects that comes

751
00:44:25,230 --> 00:44:27,870
into play too, because I agree.
One thing you see with with

752
00:44:27,870 --> 00:44:32,550
things is that the real sort of
revolutionary thing that they

753
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:37,050
did was charging per message.
And if you charge like a tiny

754
00:44:37,050 --> 00:44:40,890
little amount, you know, tiny
little micro payment per

755
00:44:40,890 --> 00:44:44,640
message. It doesn't really if
you don't, you don't it's small

756
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,250
enough to where you don't think
about it. You're not thinking oh

757
00:44:47,250 --> 00:44:50,040
my god, this is expensive. I'm
not going to chat very much each

758
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,400
t few chat freely because it's
really not costing you very much

759
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,150
at all. But there's also that
anti spam protection. Yes, yes,

760
00:44:57,150 --> 00:45:01,230
you can't just spam and and
Like, if you just mouthed off

761
00:45:01,230 --> 00:45:04,830
and put a bunch of racist
comments in into something mean,

762
00:45:04,830 --> 00:45:06,600
it's going to get deleted and
you're going to lose your money.

763
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:09,900
Yeah. And what's cool about what
they put it in is they have this

764
00:45:09,900 --> 00:45:13,920
concept of a stake. So if you
look at it, when you, when you

765
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:18,000
post a message, it doesn't cost
you one Satoshi it can cost you

766
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:23,190
51, Satoshi, some even more. So,
you know, and so you get that

767
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:27,390
back the the extra 50 after a
set amount of time, which I

768
00:45:27,390 --> 00:45:31,170
think standard is two hours. So
if within that two hours, you

769
00:45:31,170 --> 00:45:34,770
turn into incredible douchebag
or you're spamming, then you can

770
00:45:34,770 --> 00:45:37,800
be blocked from the group, and
then you lose all the state

771
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,310
money that you put in. So and
and i think it works. And it was

772
00:45:41,310 --> 00:45:44,910
interesting is even when you
join one of those Sphinx tribes,

773
00:45:44,910 --> 00:45:47,760
you see, hey, it costs 10 cents
to send a message. I'm like,

774
00:45:47,970 --> 00:45:51,690
wow, do I really want to send a
message and 10 satoshis? You

775
00:45:51,690 --> 00:45:54,060
know, it's like, it's like
nothing. It's a speck of dust.

776
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:58,140
But still it so it really has a
psychological effect. And I

777
00:45:58,140 --> 00:46:01,470
think what Dave is saying is
that, yeah, we're not there yet.

778
00:46:01,710 --> 00:46:04,680
But man, we're getting damn
close. Because that you know,

779
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:09,090
what people would call web 3.0.
I really am seeing this type of

780
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,240
blockchain, particularly for
the, you know, for a

781
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:16,170
decentralized community type
thing, even what Brian of London

782
00:46:16,170 --> 00:46:20,730
would do is doing with this hive
blockchain yet, that's also

783
00:46:20,730 --> 00:46:24,420
something we should look at. I
mean, that, that seems you also

784
00:46:24,420 --> 00:46:25,680
pay money for that, you know,

785
00:46:25,980 --> 00:46:29,790
I don't know how well it would
be open, maybe open cross cross

786
00:46:29,790 --> 00:46:33,600
app chat runs on hive or
something. Because that's the

787
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,780
thing is, you know, when you're
talking, Martin, I'm thinking

788
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,380
immediately of all the ways that
you know, this is going to

789
00:46:40,380 --> 00:46:44,370
number one is going to be
abused, and it's going to hurt

790
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,120
you. And then you also have this
idea of like, Okay, well, then

791
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:50,520
he has some sort of moderation
because you're going to have

792
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,160
some whack job come in and start
spewing out, you know, the

793
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,980
racism or something like that.
So then, then you're, then

794
00:46:55,980 --> 00:46:59,190
you're gonna, that's going to be
on your dime down to, you know,

795
00:46:59,190 --> 00:47:02,850
shoulder, but then if you put if
you put if you go back to sort

796
00:47:02,850 --> 00:47:07,830
of like this decentralized, pay,
like, pay per message, steak,

797
00:47:07,950 --> 00:47:13,020
steak a certain amount of money
anti spam type deal, then what

798
00:47:13,020 --> 00:47:17,070
it does is it it lets the
community moderate itself, and

799
00:47:17,070 --> 00:47:20,820
you don't have to have some sort
of top down moderation. Where

800
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,370
did you see like, on Twitter,
where they're having to cut, you

801
00:47:23,370 --> 00:47:27,510
know, they're, they, it's on
them to moderate their platform?

802
00:47:27,630 --> 00:47:32,520
If, if every, if the message is
cost you money, and there's a

803
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,810
way to stake it and revert it,
then the community can police

804
00:47:36,900 --> 00:47:39,600
itself? And you know, I You
don't have to do that.

805
00:47:41,940 --> 00:47:45,720
Yeah, I think, you know, every
time I build a feature, I always

806
00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:48,780
think, Okay, how much headache?
Is this gonna cost me in the

807
00:47:48,780 --> 00:47:54,180
future? Because I've had ideas
like, for people to, like, I

808
00:47:54,180 --> 00:47:57,180
love True Crime podcast, but
like, that's my dirty secret.

809
00:47:57,660 --> 00:47:58,710
Now, we

810
00:47:58,710 --> 00:48:00,570
see what you highlight on the
homepage.

811
00:48:02,340 --> 00:48:07,020
We see Yeah, exactly. So um, and
in those, you know, I always,

812
00:48:07,650 --> 00:48:10,890
like, that's actually one of the
reasons also why I started pot

813
00:48:10,890 --> 00:48:16,020
friend, I was like, I wanted to
have like, it well, preferably

814
00:48:16,020 --> 00:48:19,200
interactive content, but also
just content, like the chapters,

815
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,770
and things like that. And going
even further than that. So you

816
00:48:22,770 --> 00:48:25,920
could see, like, let's say, a
timeline, and you could scroll

817
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:30,180
in it, and, and you could see a
map and all these things that, I

818
00:48:30,180 --> 00:48:33,090
think that I want to look at, at
some point, and hopefully, you

819
00:48:33,090 --> 00:48:38,430
know, in an open fashion, but
yeah,

820
00:48:38,459 --> 00:48:42,059
that's, that's the secret to the
best software. The best software

821
00:48:42,059 --> 00:48:46,139
is the is the software that the
developer uses himself, or he

822
00:48:46,139 --> 00:48:49,919
has created for his or herself
and uses on a daily basis.

823
00:48:49,919 --> 00:48:54,359
Because they, when they're using
their own app, and it's, you

824
00:48:54,359 --> 00:48:56,609
know, it's gonna be good because
they're gonna have the same

825
00:48:56,609 --> 00:48:57,719
issues that you have.

826
00:48:58,140 --> 00:49:01,170
Exactly. And I do use parchment
everyday like both on the

827
00:49:01,170 --> 00:49:04,800
desktop, which was also one of
the driving factors, because I

828
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:09,150
work and when I program, I love
listening to podcasts sometimes.

829
00:49:09,150 --> 00:49:12,660
And I was really lacking a good
desktop app as well. And so that

830
00:49:12,660 --> 00:49:16,230
was also one of the motivations
and then now I've been working

831
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:22,050
from home since last March. So I
try to always, like take a daily

832
00:49:22,050 --> 00:49:27,060
walk for close to an hour and
and I listen to podcasts as

833
00:49:27,060 --> 00:49:29,940
well. So that's under mobile
then so it's good to get that

834
00:49:29,940 --> 00:49:33,270
mixed. Use of your own product.
Yeah.

835
00:49:36,750 --> 00:49:37,950
Yes. Good.

836
00:49:38,910 --> 00:49:44,310
Yeah. Okay. So going back to
like the rich content that I was

837
00:49:44,310 --> 00:49:48,090
considering, like, okay, so so
users need to be able to upload

838
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:52,110
photos as well and stuff and I
was just thinking, that probably

839
00:49:52,110 --> 00:49:54,780
means that I would have to look
through every single image

840
00:49:55,530 --> 00:49:56,070
uploaded

841
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,240
And I thought, just as I think
I've mentioned this to you

842
00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:06,690
before, but well two things one,
thank you both for fixing the

843
00:50:06,690 --> 00:50:09,660
your latest episodes bug because
I was trying to I was I was

844
00:50:09,660 --> 00:50:12,990
noticing a tune like, why don't
I see pod news here and I'm

845
00:50:12,990 --> 00:50:15,450
seeing other things. I didn't
know what I was missing really.

846
00:50:15,450 --> 00:50:17,430
And I was like, something's
wrong. So you guys figured that

847
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:18,840
and this morning I was delighted
like,

848
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,940
wow, okay, yeah, that was
grateful.

849
00:50:22,260 --> 00:50:26,910
And thank you for the for the
interface to my car.

850
00:50:28,530 --> 00:50:29,130
That's awesome.

851
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:32,580
Oh, nice. It's beyond It's so
nice. You know, I don't have to

852
00:50:32,580 --> 00:50:36,060
connect anything. And I just hit
the the media button which knows

853
00:50:36,060 --> 00:50:39,300
is looking for a Bluetooth that
connects it picks up where I was

854
00:50:39,300 --> 00:50:43,710
where I was playing when I had
it. On my on my earphones. The

855
00:50:43,710 --> 00:50:46,980
only thing that would be super
superduper is if album art and

856
00:50:46,980 --> 00:50:49,470
chapter art came through and
displayed, but that may be more

857
00:50:49,470 --> 00:50:50,190
challenging.

858
00:50:50,970 --> 00:50:54,690
Yeah, so I've really tried to
solve that. And it's just not

859
00:50:54,690 --> 00:50:59,400
possible. And it's not because
of like the pot friend app. It

860
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:04,080
is because no Universalist
extending it. Yeah. Yeah. And

861
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:09,450
maybe, I would guess if it's a
native app, then then it would

862
00:51:09,450 --> 00:51:14,820
show up, maybe. So I have hopes
that as soon as, as you know, I

863
00:51:14,820 --> 00:51:17,820
bundle it together as a native
app, then maybe it will come

864
00:51:17,820 --> 00:51:20,160
through. So let's cross our
fingers.

865
00:51:20,190 --> 00:51:25,500
Yeah, no, I'm just saying it's
more about how phenomenal would

866
00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:29,760
be to be in the car listening,
and then see the image change. I

867
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:34,170
mean, that's how sad My life is.
But really, I would be so happy

868
00:51:34,170 --> 00:51:35,880
like, James. Yeah,

869
00:51:36,090 --> 00:51:36,870
yeah.

870
00:51:37,380 --> 00:51:40,530
So are you gonna, are you gonna
go to a native app? At some

871
00:51:40,530 --> 00:51:40,740
point?

872
00:51:41,580 --> 00:51:45,030
Yeah. So it's actually
interesting, because pop friend,

873
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:50,370
at one point did have a native
app for iOS and Android. Like I

874
00:51:50,370 --> 00:51:53,850
just never released it. And I
made like, you might know that

875
00:51:53,850 --> 00:51:58,800
the web app and the desktop apps
are in react, and then their

876
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,670
mobile apps I made in React
Native. And that allowed me to

877
00:52:02,670 --> 00:52:07,530
reuse, like a lot of the code,
but not all, like all the UI,

878
00:52:07,530 --> 00:52:14,670
you have to code from scratch.
And, and, and it's just, you

879
00:52:14,670 --> 00:52:17,310
know, maintaining these two
versions, then I just decided,

880
00:52:17,310 --> 00:52:20,640
you know, what, I really want to
make really sure that the core

881
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,300
of the app is good. Before I
commit to whenever I make a

882
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,570
feature that I bet that I make
it in two versions instead of

883
00:52:27,570 --> 00:52:30,930
one version. So I decided to
hold a little bit back on the

884
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:37,350
native app. But yeah, I've found
other tech things like just to

885
00:52:37,350 --> 00:52:41,550
go completely geeky Apache
Cordova that allows you to pack

886
00:52:41,610 --> 00:52:45,750
a normal web app into a mobile
app. And I'm hoping that maybe I

887
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:49,440
can use that to just have one
version. Because that would be

888
00:52:50,010 --> 00:52:52,950
extremely awesome. Because Yeah,
when you're just one developer

889
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:56,250
on your to do list is already
like 10 miles long. And yeah,

890
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,610
you're just always looking for,
like, how can I work smarter

891
00:52:59,610 --> 00:53:00,510
instead of harder?

892
00:53:01,500 --> 00:53:05,880
Yeah, because that's gonna be a
lot of work to get into UI is

893
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,570
what takes 90% of the effort in
any in any software, at least

894
00:53:09,570 --> 00:53:14,850
you can have. It's like it's
doing is doing 5% of the work,

895
00:53:14,850 --> 00:53:16,650
but it takes 95% of the effort.

896
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,280
Yeah, definitely. I cannot, I
can already feel it now. Like,

897
00:53:20,340 --> 00:53:24,600
I'm finally starting to get like
some solid UI components, like,

898
00:53:24,990 --> 00:53:27,750
like a pop friend component
library done. So when I make

899
00:53:27,750 --> 00:53:31,140
things, I can reuse them, but
but when I have to do new stuff,

900
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,320
for example, like if I had to do
this onboarding, showing like,

901
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,010
this is how we get started. But
it just takes time. Yeah,

902
00:53:38,670 --> 00:53:42,390
that's for sure. We need a new
jingle. And now sexy component

903
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:43,080
library

904
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:48,690
named Jennifer

905
00:53:49,770 --> 00:53:50,310
Martin.

906
00:53:50,370 --> 00:53:54,060
Now, you know, part of our, our
mission or part two of our

907
00:53:54,060 --> 00:53:59,220
mission is to retool podcasting
as a platform of value for all

908
00:53:59,220 --> 00:54:04,620
parties. What are your thoughts
on that? in general? I know

909
00:54:04,620 --> 00:54:06,660
you're familiar with the
lightning stuff. I know, it's,

910
00:54:07,290 --> 00:54:10,680
it's not you know, you can't you
can only focus on so much. What

911
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:11,730
are your thoughts in general?

912
00:54:12,930 --> 00:54:16,080
So actually, let me just cover
the first part of your mission

913
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:21,210
statement. The open platform for
free speech is free speech.

914
00:54:21,210 --> 00:54:25,830
Yeah. But I just think that it's
so important. Like, I've had

915
00:54:25,890 --> 00:54:29,250
conversations with some of my
friends and colleagues that know

916
00:54:29,250 --> 00:54:32,220
that I'm doing pot brand and
they're like, well, free speech.

917
00:54:32,220 --> 00:54:35,160
Like, it's not that important.
But when you look around the

918
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:39,900
world, it's just you know, you
look at China with their you

919
00:54:39,900 --> 00:54:42,360
know, social platform where you
get points for being it being a

920
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,900
good citizen, and you can lose
the your travel privileges, if

921
00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:51,360
you're not, and you look at
Russia, and like, you know, the

922
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:54,330
opponent of the states like you
know, they they will get

923
00:54:54,330 --> 00:54:56,520
poisoned and stuff and the
media, you know, they're not

924
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,850
really reporting on it and Well,
yeah, that at least afraid of

925
00:54:59,850 --> 00:55:04,200
it. It's just, it's so so
important. Like, even in, in, in

926
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,960
Denmark, where we are, you know,
we feel like, Oh, we have a free

927
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,380
press and everything is like,
Yeah, but we also have to fight

928
00:55:10,380 --> 00:55:12,960
for it. So well, thank thank
you.

929
00:55:13,020 --> 00:55:15,720
I appreciate that man, I think
you're doing you're a big part

930
00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:19,170
of that of that mission. And the
reason why we've been talking

931
00:55:19,170 --> 00:55:21,690
about mission number two is
because I feel we have already

932
00:55:21,690 --> 00:55:25,680
achieved the foundation. And
yeah, with developers like you,

933
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,560
and and all the plethora of
developers we have and the

934
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,320
holsters and everything we're
doing. Yeah. I mean, we are

935
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,890
absolutely doing it. It's
happened. It's really, we should

936
00:55:34,890 --> 00:55:36,090
all be very proud of that.

937
00:55:36,690 --> 00:55:42,450
Yeah. And then the value part. I
mean, I definitely plan to

938
00:55:42,450 --> 00:55:47,940
monetize print at some point, if
I can. And I haven't really

939
00:55:47,940 --> 00:55:52,440
figured out why. No, not why not
how, and I would love to do the

940
00:55:52,470 --> 00:55:58,680
lightning node. It's simply just
outside of my area. Cheese. And,

941
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:04,620
and I would just be very careful
throwing my resources. Well,

942
00:56:05,100 --> 00:56:13,860
resource. Sure. Yeah, at it
before I feel that that part

943
00:56:13,860 --> 00:56:17,160
friend in itself is like good
enough that it can actually

944
00:56:17,250 --> 00:56:21,390
drive to get users like, I'm
actually surprised every time I

945
00:56:21,390 --> 00:56:24,300
get an email and someone is
using it and asking, Hey, you

946
00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:29,340
know, can I get a sleep timer?
Or I'm like, oh, people are

947
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:30,060
using it.

948
00:56:32,250 --> 00:56:36,150
That's interesting. Just, just
last night, I was hoping for a

949
00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:38,850
sleep time because I wanted to
listen to this one podcast, I

950
00:56:38,850 --> 00:56:42,810
knew I would fall asleep. And I
know that the default is to go

951
00:56:42,810 --> 00:56:46,770
to the next next episode. Like I
wish I could remember to ask

952
00:56:46,770 --> 00:56:47,490
Martin about asleep.

953
00:56:48,990 --> 00:56:52,800
Well, now you did and is already
there. Oh, no, the three dots.

954
00:56:52,830 --> 00:56:55,980
And then there is a set sleep
timer. It's a Yeah, it's a it's

955
00:56:55,980 --> 00:57:00,060
hidden behind the three dots. I
guess. That could be? How long?

956
00:57:00,750 --> 00:57:05,370
Did I did that? I thought it was
a month or so I think someone

957
00:57:05,370 --> 00:57:08,430
else was asking for it. But
yeah, that that's the

958
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:13,410
sleep timer dog. Oh my god, oh
my god.

959
00:57:14,010 --> 00:57:17,460
But But actually, that
highlights the, you know, ever

960
00:57:17,460 --> 00:57:20,340
existing problems of user
interface. It's like, okay, you

961
00:57:20,340 --> 00:57:23,580
know, yeah, I want to hide some
things that I use that much. But

962
00:57:23,580 --> 00:57:25,140
then how do people find them?
And

963
00:57:25,170 --> 00:57:28,290
yeah, that's crazy, because I
was looking for it. And I

964
00:57:28,290 --> 00:57:32,310
thought I tapped on the three
dots. Hmm. There you go.

965
00:57:32,490 --> 00:57:36,030
Do you think you'll support?
Would you support video at any

966
00:57:36,030 --> 00:57:36,360
point?

967
00:57:37,380 --> 00:57:43,080
It does support video, actually.
Yeah. geek news central podcast,

968
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,350
and then we'd like they have a
video version, then you can

969
00:57:46,350 --> 00:57:48,360
actually see that video.

970
00:57:48,510 --> 00:57:52,830
You know, I, I've always been
baffled by this now, because

971
00:57:52,830 --> 00:57:59,430
people and I'm glad you brought
that up, and that many people

972
00:57:59,430 --> 00:58:03,390
have approached me on email,
etc. Social media say, you gotta

973
00:58:03,390 --> 00:58:07,260
do this for video. And, you
know, so fuck YouTube. And, and

974
00:58:07,260 --> 00:58:12,810
I say two things. One, one, as
far as I know, every podcast app

975
00:58:12,810 --> 00:58:16,200
can can play video, as long as
it's, you know, within a certain

976
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:23,820
format realm. And, secondarily,
it's never going to be like

977
00:58:23,820 --> 00:58:27,990
YouTube, because inherently it's
not an algorithm. And that's

978
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:32,220
what makes YouTube YouTube. And
what, what it we're kind of in

979
00:58:32,220 --> 00:58:35,640
this interesting place where I
see this entire infrastructure,

980
00:58:35,910 --> 00:58:39,690
and I can see the same
infrastructure being used for

981
00:58:39,690 --> 00:58:42,510
music, I can see the same
infrastructure being used for

982
00:58:42,510 --> 00:58:47,370
video. And I just, it's whatever
a developer decides to surface

983
00:58:47,370 --> 00:58:50,670
and how to, you know, to focus
their energy. And I was going to

984
00:58:50,670 --> 00:58:56,430
wonder if you were, maybe you
need to do like one of your home

985
00:58:56,430 --> 00:58:59,250
banners, your latest episode,
your latest podcast, maybe

986
00:58:59,250 --> 00:59:02,700
latest video podcast to show
people that it exists, and that

987
00:59:02,700 --> 00:59:06,240
it works. It works fine. I
agree. It works super well.

988
00:59:06,930 --> 00:59:09,960
Yeah, I think that's actually a
great idea. I think I actually

989
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:13,470
already asked Dave, if he could
make an endpoint for me with

990
00:59:13,470 --> 00:59:17,250
latest videos, or maybe I
thought about it, but yeah, oh,

991
00:59:17,250 --> 00:59:17,880
if he did, I

992
00:59:17,940 --> 00:59:18,450
don't

993
00:59:19,710 --> 00:59:22,680
know. Maybe I just thought about
it. But I think what's

994
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:28,860
interesting, like in the in the
video podcasts is that it just

995
00:59:28,860 --> 00:59:33,930
works smoothly, but but actually
answering Dave like, our Yeah,

996
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:38,460
like it produced iOS. I think it
was Adam. Maybe that, like old

997
00:59:38,460 --> 00:59:41,100
podcast app could play videos.
No, that's actually not true.

998
00:59:41,100 --> 00:59:44,250
Like, it's, it's not. It's not
that many apps actually that

999
00:59:44,250 --> 00:59:47,820
have implemented it. And I think
it's just because maybe people

1000
00:59:47,820 --> 00:59:51,330
don't think about that, like
podcasts as video but

1001
00:59:52,290 --> 00:59:55,290
yeah, I think that some of them
can play. They'll play the

1002
00:59:55,290 --> 00:59:57,720
video, but it'll, they won't
show that they'll just play the

1003
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,660
audio. They play the video file,
but You can't see.

1004
01:00:00,810 --> 01:00:04,020
Yeah. And I just popped up. It
just popped up the new media

1005
01:00:04,020 --> 01:00:10,110
show in video. proxy works
perfectly. I mean, yeah, Martin,

1006
01:00:10,110 --> 01:00:15,480
I mean, yeah, I would love to
let us get that if we get that

1007
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,730
endpoint going, that'd be great.
Because I'd love to just see

1008
01:00:17,730 --> 01:00:21,330
what was rotating. And what's
Yeah, you know, what, what,

1009
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:25,410
what's unique about the web app?
And I think, you know, when I

1010
01:00:25,410 --> 01:00:27,780
hear people use this lots of
conversation, well, when I'm an

1011
01:00:27,780 --> 01:00:31,110
airplane, this won't happen,
statistics won't happen.

1012
01:00:31,260 --> 01:00:33,840
Payments won't happen, all that
stuff. And I'm saying to myself

1013
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,800
self, the world is I mean, you
get on an airplane, who's not

1014
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,260
connected on the airplane
anymore, everybody's connected

1015
01:00:40,260 --> 01:00:42,660
on the airplane, and it's only
going to get better, there's

1016
01:00:42,660 --> 01:00:46,230
only going to be more bandwidth,
more conductivity, etc. 5g,

1017
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:50,550
besides trying, our brains will
have conductivity everywhere.

1018
01:00:50,820 --> 01:00:57,030
And the problem with podcast
apps and why they not, I think

1019
01:00:57,030 --> 01:01:01,080
probably been wary of supporting
video is device storage, because

1020
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:05,460
the default is to download down
subscription, and then have it

1021
01:01:05,460 --> 01:01:08,220
for which was the which was
necessary. This was the whole

1022
01:01:08,490 --> 01:01:12,810
the whole way podcasting came
into life. And the enclosure

1023
01:01:12,810 --> 01:01:15,750
element was to download
something to present a better

1024
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:21,000
experience for the user. So you
have a Oh, there's a new show,

1025
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,150
click play, it works
immediately. That's no longer

1026
01:01:24,150 --> 01:01:26,940
necessary. This is streaming,
I'm not storing anything on my

1027
01:01:26,940 --> 01:01:29,460
device. When I'm watching the
new media show. It's streaming.

1028
01:01:29,700 --> 01:01:33,000
And and that'll stream just fine
to me. So I think this is

1029
01:01:33,030 --> 01:01:37,170
there's a revolution waiting to
happen here. For a video.

1030
01:01:38,190 --> 01:01:42,660
I think I had, you know, to two
thoughts and what you said there

1031
01:01:42,690 --> 01:01:46,800
one, like the, you know, whole
web app that you know, blah,

1032
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:50,910
blah, blah. And I think a pop
friend of the web app itself is

1033
01:01:50,910 --> 01:01:53,640
not the selling point. But I
think it's amazing that there

1034
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:57,090
isn't weapon but but I'm
thinking, hey, the web app is

1035
01:01:57,090 --> 01:02:01,830
there. So you can you know, just
try it out. And because people I

1036
01:02:01,830 --> 01:02:04,650
think people are very careful,
just, you know, getting new apps

1037
01:02:04,650 --> 01:02:09,660
and stuff I even saw like on the
phone, the phones, the average

1038
01:02:09,870 --> 01:02:13,980
install rate per month is zero
apps. Like that's how few brand

1039
01:02:13,980 --> 01:02:16,710
new apps people actually
install. Right? So here, you can

1040
01:02:16,710 --> 01:02:20,130
try it out. And then once you're
like, Hey, you know, pop friend,

1041
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:23,550
it works great, then, you know,
I'll start putting up a banner

1042
01:02:23,550 --> 01:02:26,130
like saying, hey, looks like
you're using iPhone, you should

1043
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:30,180
know get the app, right? Or
looks like you're using Windows

1044
01:02:30,180 --> 01:02:35,460
and then and then you can you
know, easily transition over to

1045
01:02:35,700 --> 01:02:37,140
the native experience.

1046
01:02:37,170 --> 01:02:41,760
Can I make you a marketing
suggestion? Yeah, I wouldn't I

1047
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:45,090
would remap the player to pod
friend calm and then put your

1048
01:02:45,090 --> 01:02:49,380
messaging in there. This is
where the iPod friend calm?

1049
01:02:49,980 --> 01:02:54,570
Yeah, I will definitely do that.
And it is. I do plan to do that.

1050
01:02:55,050 --> 01:02:59,250
Because suddenly, I actually had
a talk with with one of my

1051
01:02:59,580 --> 01:03:04,050
friends about it. Like, what do
I actually need pot friend.com

1052
01:03:04,050 --> 01:03:09,150
for like this almost business
like websites like LinkedIn.

1053
01:03:09,270 --> 01:03:13,290
Just just show them what it can
do. And yeah, so exactly would

1054
01:03:13,290 --> 01:03:16,260
be a bit like if sweet, sweet. I
had like a front page that's

1055
01:03:16,260 --> 01:03:19,350
like explained fully on like,
oh, how social media works.

1056
01:03:22,350 --> 01:03:25,230
podcasting is a new feature in
the media landscape.

1057
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:29,250
Yeah. Well, and then regards to
actually downloading video

1058
01:03:29,250 --> 01:03:33,570
podcasts, of course, I guess
some some properties, 4k now and

1059
01:03:33,570 --> 01:03:37,170
stuff. But actually, mobile
phones do have a lot of space

1060
01:03:37,170 --> 01:03:37,500
now. I'll

1061
01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:38,850
surely do sure they do.

1062
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:42,390
Yeah. I don't see that as a I
mean, I'm waiting for some

1063
01:03:42,390 --> 01:03:47,550
I'm waiting for someone to show
up. Who says you know, I see all

1064
01:03:47,550 --> 01:03:51,390
these video podcasts. Here's a,
you know, here's an apparent

1065
01:03:51,390 --> 01:03:55,110
endpoint that gives me video
podcast. Why don't I just create

1066
01:03:55,260 --> 01:03:59,790
a front end? That is that looks
like YouTube. And then maybe

1067
01:03:59,790 --> 01:04:02,370
I'll throw an algo in the back.
And you don't have to call it

1068
01:04:02,370 --> 01:04:05,010
podcasting. That's fine with me
too.

1069
01:04:05,430 --> 01:04:06,030
I don't care.

1070
01:04:06,420 --> 01:04:09,750
That that's the thing we thought
about. Do you remember Adam when

1071
01:04:09,750 --> 01:04:15,360
we were first putting the
skeleton up the the podcast of

1072
01:04:15,390 --> 01:04:19,200
the podcast index homepage, and
we had the we had the carousel

1073
01:04:19,230 --> 01:04:23,670
that was you know, kind of lame.
But the firt I was noticing that

1074
01:04:23,670 --> 01:04:28,470
the first thing that hits you is
that sometimes video podcasts

1075
01:04:28,650 --> 01:04:32,790
pop up on your thing. It's like
Well, okay, you have most recent

1076
01:04:32,790 --> 01:04:35,940
here. You could easily change
that. Algo up a little bit.

1077
01:04:35,970 --> 01:04:38,850
Yeah. And then you have you
basically just reinvented tik

1078
01:04:38,850 --> 01:04:43,020
tok, but in an open distributed
RSS way. Yep. And everybody's

1079
01:04:43,020 --> 01:04:44,640
posting videos and it's just,

1080
01:04:45,270 --> 01:04:48,270
it's just a different wrapper. I
mean, this this is the thing

1081
01:04:48,270 --> 01:04:52,680
that always gets me is like,
especially when we get payments

1082
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:55,860
working man. You can do it for
all kinds of stuff. But it's

1083
01:04:56,100 --> 01:05:00,570
everyone and this is a testament
to you, Martin. Most People are

1084
01:05:00,570 --> 01:05:04,950
stuck in the Gmail inbox model
when it comes to podcast apps.

1085
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:10,950
That's just how it always has
worked. And that's a shame.

1086
01:05:10,950 --> 01:05:14,010
Because once you smoke some weed
and get out of the box thinking

1087
01:05:14,010 --> 01:05:19,380
like, oh, man, we could do all
this other stuff. And just

1088
01:05:19,380 --> 01:05:25,440
create a YouTube looking thing.
And have this it's the same

1089
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,380
mechanisms everywhere. The only
difference is it only does

1090
01:05:28,380 --> 01:05:33,180
video. And it has an algorithm
that presents things to you that

1091
01:05:33,180 --> 01:05:35,460
you may or may not like. Hmm,

1092
01:05:35,490 --> 01:05:38,910
that's really good. Definitely.
I could definitely see, you

1093
01:05:38,910 --> 01:05:42,300
know, pot friend having like a
chocolate top where you switch

1094
01:05:42,300 --> 01:05:45,090
between audio and video or
something. And then whatever

1095
01:05:45,090 --> 01:05:47,370
you're in the mood for, like,
Ah, you know, different

1096
01:05:47,850 --> 01:05:48,840
experience. Yeah,

1097
01:05:48,990 --> 01:05:52,590
yeah, exactly. And maybe, and
maybe even like, I also thought

1098
01:05:52,590 --> 01:05:55,770
about because there are API
endpoints out there like for

1099
01:05:55,770 --> 01:05:59,370
audiobooks and stuff? And I
thought, That's quite close,

1100
01:05:59,370 --> 01:06:02,370
like maybe maybe introducing
that as well. Like, just,

1101
01:06:02,850 --> 01:06:05,730
yes, yeah. I think we're gonna
change our names to this. This

1102
01:06:05,730 --> 01:06:08,910
is not going to be the
podcasting 2.0 2.0 show anymore.

1103
01:06:08,910 --> 01:06:17,040
This is going to be audio books.
2.0. Again, if audible can claim

1104
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:21,330
that they're their podcasts, and
I can claim that podcasts or

1105
01:06:21,330 --> 01:06:26,550
audiobooks if we're just making
up words. Yeah. Audio. Great is

1106
01:06:26,550 --> 01:06:28,770
a great untapped territory for
podcasting, I think.

1107
01:06:29,790 --> 01:06:32,250
Yeah, I think so. Because you
know what, I think a lot of

1108
01:06:32,250 --> 01:06:35,640
people when they like listening
to podcasts, that's probably the

1109
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:39,870
same time where they could be
listening to an audiobook. Like

1110
01:06:39,870 --> 01:06:42,960
when they're out walking or on
their commute to work or

1111
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:48,570
something. So and for me, like
sometimes I like listening to

1112
01:06:48,930 --> 01:06:54,720
true crime. Sometimes I like
listening to, you know, show

1113
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,630
about podcasting sometimes, like
just listening to the news, but

1114
01:06:57,660 --> 01:07:00,180
but I could definitely see
myself listening to an audio

1115
01:07:00,180 --> 01:07:04,500
book at some point. So I think
they're a good fit. And it's

1116
01:07:04,500 --> 01:07:08,760
also one way, you know, that
could be a monetization because

1117
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:12,060
most audiobooks cost money. So
it could be like taking a cut

1118
01:07:12,060 --> 01:07:16,260
there or something. But yeah,
currently under brainstorm

1119
01:07:16,470 --> 01:07:18,090
level, but yeah.

1120
01:07:20,190 --> 01:07:22,800
Do we want to pause and do a
donation, I was just going

1121
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:26,310
to say, let's, let's remind
everybody that the entire

1122
01:07:26,310 --> 01:07:30,720
podcast index.org project,
including this podcast is under

1123
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:34,620
the value for value model. It's
real simple. If there's anything

1124
01:07:34,650 --> 01:07:38,520
that we're doing here that gives
you value that adds value to

1125
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:41,070
your life, where there's just
enjoyment of listening to this,

1126
01:07:41,070 --> 01:07:44,430
you might be just a podcast
listener who wants to see

1127
01:07:44,490 --> 01:07:47,550
podcasting preserved as a
platform for free speech, it's

1128
01:07:47,550 --> 01:07:50,850
all kinds of reasons. Just turn
that into a number and send it

1129
01:07:50,850 --> 01:07:54,270
to us. That's it. And value can
only be determined by you, if

1130
01:07:54,270 --> 01:07:57,810
it's whatever the value is, we'd
love to see that and, and we'd

1131
01:07:57,810 --> 01:08:00,750
love to we'd love receiving that
in exchange and we love doing

1132
01:08:00,750 --> 01:08:05,520
what we do. And that includes
thanking the people who have

1133
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:08,940
supported the project this week
Dave's got his crumble paper

1134
01:08:08,940 --> 01:08:09,390
list

1135
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:15,000
that David is right here. We the
this makes me happy the very

1136
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:22,710
first donation $50 from add
Ryan. Ryan is is who interviewed

1137
01:08:22,710 --> 01:08:24,120
me for the podcast Business
Journal.

1138
01:08:24,930 --> 01:08:26,130
Oh, man, that's

1139
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:29,100
cool. That's, well, a thank you.

1140
01:08:29,700 --> 01:08:30,300
B.

1141
01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:35,460
I've never succeeded in doing
that after an interview. So hey,

1142
01:08:35,460 --> 01:08:38,970
man, here's some money for your
for your project. Nice. Well

1143
01:08:38,970 --> 01:08:40,710
done, Dave. more interviews for
Dave.

1144
01:08:40,770 --> 01:08:45,630
Thank you. He's had a message
said Dave and Adam. Thanks for

1145
01:08:45,630 --> 01:08:48,930
everything you guys do for the
industry at Ryan radio, Inc. and

1146
01:08:48,930 --> 01:08:55,110
podcast Business Journal. Nice.
Thanks for propagating. We'll

1147
01:08:55,110 --> 01:09:03,120
see. We get here's Okay. Here's
another donation for $25. from

1148
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:09,660
Daniel, Nevada. No, Daniel,
Nevada, Nevada. And Daniel says

1149
01:09:09,660 --> 01:09:12,360
the podcast index project is
becoming more important every

1150
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:16,230
day. Adam for once, I think
you've got your product timing

1151
01:09:16,230 --> 01:09:21,060
right on yours too soon. Please
keep up the work and preserving

1152
01:09:21,060 --> 01:09:21,720
free speech.

1153
01:09:22,019 --> 01:09:25,829
I don't know man. We're on the
cutting edge of the keys and

1154
01:09:25,829 --> 01:09:29,459
lightning payments. Not 10 years
too early for that one.

1155
01:09:29,610 --> 01:09:33,180
Yeah, I'm gonna editorialize and
say that's to be determined.

1156
01:09:33,180 --> 01:09:33,690
Right.

1157
01:09:34,260 --> 01:09:37,950
Yeah, we're, we try to do better
try to be better.

1158
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:45,690
Raphael Negron sent us $10 and
he has no notes. Thank you.

1159
01:09:45,780 --> 01:09:46,410
Thank you.

1160
01:09:49,979 --> 01:09:56,459
See, is there a note on this
one? Okay, yes. Stephen. Sent

1161
01:09:56,459 --> 01:10:02,399
Tony. He gave us $5 and said
kicking in when I can I'm just a

1162
01:10:02,399 --> 01:10:03,149
podcast listener.

1163
01:10:03,299 --> 01:10:05,759
Oh, great. Thanks, Steve.
Appreciate that. Well, we're

1164
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:06,840
just a podcast API.

1165
01:10:07,259 --> 01:10:08,219
That's all we are, man.

1166
01:10:09,510 --> 01:10:11,280
That's, that's it. That's our
guest for this week.

1167
01:10:11,850 --> 01:10:16,800
Well, shortlist shortlist, but
the value was coming in and love

1168
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,650
it. And thank you so much. If
you want to contribute to the

1169
01:10:19,650 --> 01:10:23,910
entire proposition, go to
podcast index.org. Scroll down

1170
01:10:23,910 --> 01:10:26,250
to the bottom, there's a big red
Donate button, you can also

1171
01:10:26,250 --> 01:10:29,340
donate to a lightning payment.
And thank you, thank you all

1172
01:10:29,340 --> 01:10:33,180
very much. And everybody who was
on the recurring subscriptions,

1173
01:10:33,180 --> 01:10:37,950
which we see you. It keeps
everything running and and it

1174
01:10:37,950 --> 01:10:40,200
keeps, keeps the dream alive.

1175
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:43,500
Considering that, considering
that Dred Scott said that last

1176
01:10:43,500 --> 01:10:47,130
week's show sucked, then I think
that was pretty good to get for

1177
01:10:47,130 --> 01:10:47,760
donations.

1178
01:10:50,580 --> 01:10:52,680
We are ahead of the curve. We
are ahead of the curve.

1179
01:10:52,710 --> 01:10:56,640
ej dropped a DC the you've been
defragmented the clip in there.

1180
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:57,600
He does that too.

1181
01:10:58,020 --> 01:11:00,570
If someone gives a donation for
the first time, is that what

1182
01:11:00,570 --> 01:11:09,660
they get? Yes. That's almost a
ringtone.

1183
01:11:13,980 --> 01:11:14,610
Oompa Loompa.

1184
01:11:21,780 --> 01:11:23,850
Love that. That's great. Yeah.

1185
01:11:24,900 --> 01:11:29,310
But I mean, considering that
this week's episode has has

1186
01:11:29,310 --> 01:11:30,840
Martin on it. No, no.

1187
01:11:31,710 --> 01:11:34,470
Through the obvious, obvious
through the roof.

1188
01:11:34,740 --> 01:11:35,310
Martin, what

1189
01:11:35,310 --> 01:11:39,510
what can we do you have any?
Anything we can do for you

1190
01:11:39,510 --> 01:11:43,200
specifically? Is there Do you
have any vision that you'd like

1191
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:47,250
to see us? would look at work
on? I'm sure you have dreams?

1192
01:11:47,730 --> 01:11:48,030
Yeah. What

1193
01:11:48,030 --> 01:11:49,140
do you want in the namespace?

1194
01:11:51,060 --> 01:11:51,990
Oh, hold on.

1195
01:11:53,970 --> 01:11:57,420
Oh, it's time for some
namespace.

1196
01:11:58,650 --> 01:11:59,190
Bringing that.

1197
01:12:02,580 --> 01:12:08,250
I think every time I am, I want
something I write Dave. Hey,

1198
01:12:08,250 --> 01:12:10,500
could this be you know,
possible? And then he wrote,

1199
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,860
writes back? Oh, yeah. Hey, you
know, give me five minutes. And

1200
01:12:13,860 --> 01:12:14,820
then you know, it comes

1201
01:12:14,820 --> 01:12:18,270
back with a name. Unless it's a
recent videos endpoint and that

1202
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:20,520
doesn't ever get done. Yeah.

1203
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:26,130
So my latest idea when I was
working on the community

1204
01:12:26,130 --> 01:12:29,220
chapters for Pol Pot friends,
because I have started working

1205
01:12:29,220 --> 01:12:33,690
on it was that, hey, it could be
amazing if you could, like use

1206
01:12:33,690 --> 01:12:39,150
other texts as a chapter. So you
could like give a location as a

1207
01:12:39,180 --> 01:12:43,530
as a chapter or you could give a
person as a chapter. Oh, that's

1208
01:12:43,530 --> 01:12:47,310
just one thing. I was thinking.
But yeah, yeah. Because then the

1209
01:12:47,310 --> 01:12:49,410
chapter chapter could be at
Google map where you could

1210
01:12:49,410 --> 01:12:52,500
scroll and zoom. That would
actually be pretty, pretty

1211
01:12:52,500 --> 01:12:55,080
nifty. But and Whoa,

1212
01:12:55,169 --> 01:12:58,379
oh, I'm wrapping my brain around
that one. So you put elements of

1213
01:12:58,379 --> 01:13:01,739
other namespace elements
referred into a separate node

1214
01:13:01,829 --> 01:13:03,359
into a different element.

1215
01:13:04,110 --> 01:13:07,560
I don't know exactly how it
would work since since this

1216
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:10,800
is namespace inception, and it's
gonna break it's, everything's

1217
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:15,510
gonna be destroyed if you can't
rip the space time continuum.

1218
01:13:18,210 --> 01:13:23,010
Okay, no, but But no, I think, I
think, you know, I tried to keep

1219
01:13:23,010 --> 01:13:26,160
up with the GitHub with the
namespace talk, sometimes I get

1220
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:29,760
a little bit caught up in
development, and then I take a

1221
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:32,370
break from it. But you know,
there's so many things that are

1222
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:36,600
interesting and, and, and
happening. And if something goes

1223
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,240
against something, you know,
where I have a strong opinion,

1224
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:42,960
like, you know, how it should
work, for example, the person

1225
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,630
tech, I did have some strong
opinions on that, then then I

1226
01:13:45,690 --> 01:13:48,870
bought in and otherwise, I'm
just, Oh, this looks like it's

1227
01:13:48,870 --> 01:13:51,060
on the right track. You know
what, I'm not gonna I'm not

1228
01:13:51,060 --> 01:13:52,920
gonna bother. You know,

1229
01:13:52,950 --> 01:13:55,800
are you happy with the way it
turned out? With the podcast

1230
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:56,340
person tag?

1231
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:01,560
Yeah. So I'm happy. The only
thing that I'm sad about and you

1232
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:05,010
know, we had a talk about that
early on, is that I would still

1233
01:14:05,010 --> 01:14:08,790
love to be able to click, for
example, Adam Curry and then

1234
01:14:08,790 --> 01:14:14,280
see, all the podcasts has been
in all the episodes. So I still

1235
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:19,620
think we need that. Somehow a
unique ID that but I don't know

1236
01:14:19,620 --> 01:14:24,090
how to do it without a
centralized thing, but that

1237
01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:27,030
would still be amazing. Do you
want to

1238
01:14:27,690 --> 01:14:29,160
so you want to give me a number?

1239
01:14:30,780 --> 01:14:36,420
Yeah, so basically, somehow of
identifying, it could be a

1240
01:14:36,420 --> 01:14:37,740
barcode on your forehead.

1241
01:14:51,180 --> 01:14:52,170
Say QR code.

1242
01:14:53,159 --> 01:14:55,679
QR code right there, baby.
Beautiful scanning.

1243
01:14:57,780 --> 01:15:01,230
Oh, yes. No, but but it works.
Wouldn't be nice like, because I

1244
01:15:01,230 --> 01:15:04,440
could definitely see the user
experience like that. I'm

1245
01:15:04,440 --> 01:15:07,650
clicking Hey, this guy, Martin
Martin, who has been on the

1246
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:11,370
podcasting. 2.0. Which other
podcasts has hasn't been in? Of

1247
01:15:11,370 --> 01:15:16,200
course, not. The first time I've
ever seen a podcast, but you

1248
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:19,110
know, in the future, it could be
cool. Yeah,

1249
01:15:19,110 --> 01:15:22,440
I mean, in the future. I mean,
everybody already does have a

1250
01:15:22,440 --> 01:15:25,830
number. Of course, we have
credit card numbers, social

1251
01:15:25,830 --> 01:15:29,640
security numbers, phone numbers,
we all kinds of numbers. I hope

1252
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:32,400
that in the future, every
citizen who was born or enters

1253
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:36,420
the United States and becomes a
citizen receives a Bitcoin ID.

1254
01:15:36,660 --> 01:15:40,200
Now, here's your node ID, and
welcome to the country citizen.

1255
01:15:40,230 --> 01:15:42,900
And then yeah, and that's your
ID. And you can use it for

1256
01:15:42,900 --> 01:15:45,720
payments for authentication for
all kinds of stuff.

1257
01:15:46,590 --> 01:15:51,810
That's actually, you know,
interesting, because, like, for

1258
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:54,240
dictatorships and stuff, they
could actually really use that

1259
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:58,230
like, okay, so you spent how
much money on propaganda this

1260
01:15:58,230 --> 01:16:01,650
week? Well, you know, what,
Martin, and this is not exactly

1261
01:16:01,650 --> 01:16:04,980
the right form for it. But yeah,
I see that coming. And it's

1262
01:16:04,980 --> 01:16:08,940
going to be the central bank,
digital coins, and they're going

1263
01:16:08,940 --> 01:16:12,360
to have complete control over
your money. They already have a

1264
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:15,660
lot of control over it now. But
it's going to be very easy. It's

1265
01:16:15,660 --> 01:16:18,120
going to be like, Oh, the
government just gave me Venmo I

1266
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:21,660
love it. And you're going to
feel real good about it until

1267
01:16:21,660 --> 01:16:25,500
they start to do things that you
won't feel good about. And

1268
01:16:26,130 --> 01:16:29,940
Bitcoin, you know, doesn't have
that restriction. has all the

1269
01:16:29,940 --> 01:16:30,480
benefits.

1270
01:16:31,980 --> 01:16:34,680
Interesting. It's actually
interesting. Some Danish banks

1271
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:38,550
actually reject your payment if
you're if you're trying to buy

1272
01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:43,620
bitcoin. Yeah. Wow. So and
that's a lot of people that are

1273
01:16:43,650 --> 01:16:47,430
you know, unhappy about that.
Like, it hasn't hasn't declined

1274
01:16:47,430 --> 01:16:49,470
any payment yet. So Wow, that's

1275
01:16:49,470 --> 01:16:51,510
proof that some of the Danish
are unhappy.

1276
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:55,110
Mythbusters

1277
01:16:55,260 --> 01:16:56,220
it's a lie.

1278
01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:00,300
I think a lot of Danish people
are very great at like

1279
01:17:00,300 --> 01:17:03,330
complaining. Maybe that makes
people happy. Tom.

1280
01:17:05,790 --> 01:17:10,140
Yeah, that's funny. But we
that's Yeah, so we're getting

1281
01:17:10,140 --> 01:17:15,060
off topic here. But the I have a
buddy who is a does mission

1282
01:17:15,060 --> 01:17:21,360
work. And he went over the
summer he went to Japan. And he

1283
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:26,430
said, Padre, even get in? I
don't don't remember. You know,

1284
01:17:26,430 --> 01:17:28,620
we with this? No, I'm sorry.
This wasn't over the summer.

1285
01:17:28,620 --> 01:17:30,900
This wasn't this was at the
towards the end of last year.

1286
01:17:31,950 --> 01:17:36,270
Okay, it was Jan, January,
December. Okay. Okay, so he said

1287
01:17:36,270 --> 01:17:43,350
that the the suicide problem in
Japan is so bad that they have

1288
01:17:43,380 --> 01:17:47,550
like, little signs that light up
or something like this. But

1289
01:17:47,550 --> 01:17:50,040
you'll have to correct me on
this base, that there's some way

1290
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:54,210
of signaling to the passengers
on a train their trains that

1291
01:17:54,210 --> 01:17:57,270
they've had, when the train
stops, they had stopped because

1292
01:17:57,270 --> 01:18:01,650
of a suicide. Oh, wow. People
jumping in front of the train in

1293
01:18:01,650 --> 01:18:06,630
the Netherlands. This happens
quite regularly in the code,

1294
01:18:06,630 --> 01:18:09,270
which is well known amongst
citizens now. Because when they

1295
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:13,050
say we have a delay, the trains
going to stop because we have

1296
01:18:13,050 --> 01:18:16,980
some problems with the overhead
wiring. That in fact is code

1297
01:18:16,980 --> 01:18:18,540
that someone jumped on the
tracks.

1298
01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:22,320
Okay. Yeah. So some, something
similar to that in Japan. And

1299
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:25,620
I'm wondering if you know, if
it's because there's, there's

1300
01:18:25,620 --> 01:18:28,230
validity to what you're saying,
Martin, I mean, like, if you if

1301
01:18:28,230 --> 01:18:32,700
you're free to just express your
anger and in, you know, complain

1302
01:18:32,700 --> 01:18:34,800
about something freely, then you
get it all out? And then you're

1303
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:37,320
fine, you're happy, you know,
but if you press it, like an

1304
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:41,400
honor, culture type thing, it
just festers and how was that?

1305
01:18:41,430 --> 01:18:41,940
How was that?

1306
01:18:41,940 --> 01:18:44,580
If you don't mind me asking,
since we're way off topic, how

1307
01:18:44,580 --> 01:18:48,030
was that politically in Denmark,
of which I know nothing about

1308
01:18:48,030 --> 01:18:50,940
the different parties and the
different movements? But are you

1309
01:18:50,940 --> 01:18:53,280
feel just everyone's like here?
I would say in the United

1310
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:57,570
States. There's, that's a good
point. Dave, that's the biggest

1311
01:18:57,570 --> 01:19:00,780
problem is that there's a large
group of people who are

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01:19:01,530 --> 01:19:04,140
apprehensive or maybe even
afraid to express their

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01:19:04,140 --> 01:19:08,160
opinions. Not even politically,
but social justice warrior Lee.

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01:19:09,810 --> 01:19:12,690
And, and I think that's the
worst thing is the worst thing

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01:19:12,690 --> 01:19:15,540
that can happen is when people
aren't afraid or afraid to tell,

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01:19:15,660 --> 01:19:18,810
to speak their mind. How is that
in Denmark? Is everyone free?

1317
01:19:18,810 --> 01:19:20,880
And they feel free to do that,
or is it similar?

1318
01:19:21,810 --> 01:19:27,420
I think people are actually
quite free to express. Yeah, and

1319
01:19:27,450 --> 01:19:31,890
and we have a much more nuanced
political system that the US

1320
01:19:31,890 --> 01:19:35,520
like, we don't have a two party
system we have. I don't know 10

1321
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:36,120
or something. Yeah, you

1322
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:38,340
get you get a parliament
parliamentary system. Right.

1323
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:39,840
Yeah, exactly.

1324
01:19:39,870 --> 01:19:43,650
Where that helps. where no one's
happy in the end.

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01:19:44,610 --> 01:19:45,210
Yeah.

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01:19:46,770 --> 01:19:50,280
It's funny because, you know,
some of the small parties, you

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01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:54,300
know, suddenly in one election,
they will get like, you know,

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01:19:54,750 --> 01:19:58,950
10% of the votes just because
they have like some things like

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01:19:59,130 --> 01:20:03,210
where they like I mean, I know a
lot of parties competed, like

1330
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:06,330
being more and more racist,
because that was like the site

1331
01:20:06,330 --> 01:20:14,340
guys at some point. The cool
thing. And then of course, like

1332
01:20:14,370 --> 01:20:18,840
all the mainstream parties, they
didn't do it but you know, there

1333
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:22,080
always be something popping up.
But But I do in general think

1334
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:27,150
that that people are I wouldn't
say completely free but but a

1335
01:20:27,150 --> 01:20:29,130
lot more free to like express

1336
01:20:30,090 --> 01:20:32,940
their points of view. Yeah,
that's my that's my that's my

1337
01:20:32,940 --> 01:20:35,790
feelings on it has been for a
long time I don't I'm just full

1338
01:20:35,790 --> 01:20:39,330
disclosure, I don't vote I
haven't voted in 20 years on any

1339
01:20:39,330 --> 01:20:42,360
election, I just, I've
completely opted out of all

1340
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:46,230
them. I'm an imago was Emma
Goldman fan, if voting change

1341
01:20:46,230 --> 01:20:49,200
anything, they wouldn't let you
do that be illegal? Yeah. And so

1342
01:20:49,350 --> 01:20:52,830
that, you know, that that's the
whole thing with me is my thing

1343
01:20:52,830 --> 01:20:57,300
is people are the most equal
when they're the most free. And

1344
01:20:57,330 --> 01:21:01,710
when you if you take, if you
restrict freedom, even a slight

1345
01:21:01,710 --> 01:21:04,140
amount of freedom of speech for
you know, freedom of the press,

1346
01:21:04,170 --> 01:21:08,400
even as small quantities,
immediately, equality, equality

1347
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:12,150
goes way down. Because we
that's, I think, I believe that

1348
01:21:12,150 --> 01:21:15,990
to every part of my being in
that I think that's probably the

1349
01:21:15,990 --> 01:21:20,700
fight that we that all people
will be fighting into, as things

1350
01:21:20,700 --> 01:21:24,030
go forward, sort of from here on
out is that trying to preserve

1351
01:21:24,030 --> 01:21:26,100
equality through some measure of
freedom?

1352
01:21:27,270 --> 01:21:30,510
Well, what I see, go ahead, go
ahead, Martin.

1353
01:21:31,110 --> 01:21:35,820
No, it's just a funny thing. But
more tragic, but I remember,

1354
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:38,910
it's probably like four or five
years ago, when there was the

1355
01:21:38,910 --> 01:21:45,090
whole, you know, that Apple was,
like the people in China that

1356
01:21:45,090 --> 01:21:47,460
was assembling the phones, they
were committing suicide on the

1357
01:21:47,460 --> 01:21:51,990
factory. And the way they solved
it was not by improving

1358
01:21:51,990 --> 01:21:58,140
conditions and put, put nets
around. And then all the

1359
01:21:58,140 --> 01:22:00,960
employees had to sign a contract
that said they wouldn't commit

1360
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:03,030
suicide while on the job. And
there's

1361
01:22:05,130 --> 01:22:07,710
so many forms to fill out,
please don't kill yourself on

1362
01:22:07,710 --> 01:22:12,270
our premises. Yeah, well, what I
what I what I see. And what I

1363
01:22:12,270 --> 01:22:16,170
love so much is i and i look at
podcasts index dot social, which

1364
01:22:16,170 --> 01:22:21,270
is really the, the, the petri
dish of the whole project. And I

1365
01:22:21,270 --> 01:22:24,240
see all these people from
different countries, different,

1366
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:28,290
different backgrounds, and it's
just beautiful to see everyone's

1367
01:22:28,290 --> 01:22:30,600
like, kind of working on the
same thing. Do we butt heads?

1368
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:34,590
Yeah, sure, once in a while.
That's cool. But it's it's a

1369
01:22:34,590 --> 01:22:37,680
very, very, very productive
civil

1370
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:42,540
group. Yeah, I also love that
there are so many different

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01:22:42,540 --> 01:22:46,410
people like James Kirtland, who
represent us, like the new side,

1372
01:22:46,410 --> 01:22:50,220
and we have a, you know, a few
people that are just, I just

1373
01:22:50,220 --> 01:22:53,880
listened. And you know, my
opinion, and then we have a lot

1374
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:57,270
of developers and I love, you
know, reading what other

1375
01:22:57,270 --> 01:23:01,350
developers are doing. And you
can, you know, like, me and

1376
01:23:01,350 --> 01:23:05,670
Dave, we were sitting there
giving advice to to David J.

1377
01:23:05,670 --> 01:23:10,020
Lewis, yesterday about DNS, and
it's just a great community. And

1378
01:23:10,020 --> 01:23:12,990
I really hope it's growing. So
yeah. If anyone is listening and

1379
01:23:12,990 --> 01:23:16,470
you're interested in podcasting,
or developing, you should really

1380
01:23:16,470 --> 01:23:20,790
join it's it's free to join.
Yeah.

1381
01:23:21,810 --> 01:23:24,780
Yeah. Speaking of speaking of
speaking of Daniel, Jason Lewis,

1382
01:23:24,810 --> 01:23:27,900
his, that that's his new middle
name, JSON,

1383
01:23:28,230 --> 01:23:30,900
JSON. json Lewis. Yeah.

1384
01:23:31,410 --> 01:23:36,270
Yeah, he gave me He gave me
early access to his new API's,

1385
01:23:36,270 --> 01:23:41,310
the biggest a podcast industry
insights API s statistics API.

1386
01:23:41,730 --> 01:23:45,720
And so he gave me some early
access to check it out and do

1387
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:48,930
some testing on it and that kind
of thing. And how is it? It's

1388
01:23:48,930 --> 01:23:51,090
great. Yeah, it's really good.
It's gonna be really good. I

1389
01:23:51,090 --> 01:23:54,120
wanted to give him some kudos on
that, because he's been working

1390
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:55,830
hard at it for a couple of
months for

1391
01:23:55,830 --> 01:23:57,630
a while. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1392
01:23:57,660 --> 01:24:00,960
Yeah. So net nets. gonna be a
really good product. I can. I

1393
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:01,950
can vouch for it.

1394
01:24:02,249 --> 01:24:06,659
Yeah. But really, and just to
reiterate, we want to add, like

1395
01:24:06,659 --> 01:24:08,789
we've had a lot of the hosting
companies who want to talk to

1396
01:24:08,789 --> 01:24:14,579
all the developers. And Dave
Jones is in charge of bookings.

1397
01:24:14,879 --> 01:24:20,039
So he's podcast index.org and
you want to hit him up and now

1398
01:24:20,039 --> 01:24:23,819
but I want to meet David from
hyper catcher, I want to I want

1399
01:24:23,819 --> 01:24:26,579
to meet the the pod station guy
wanted to talk to everybody. I

1400
01:24:26,579 --> 01:24:29,639
mean, let's get let's get it
all. Let's get as much out there

1401
01:24:29,639 --> 01:24:33,359
as possible. Your hopes, your
dreams, etc. which leaves you

1402
01:24:33,359 --> 01:24:35,099
with the last word, Martin?

1403
01:24:36,480 --> 01:24:39,510
Yeah, like being a guest only
cost me 20% of my future

1404
01:24:39,510 --> 01:24:46,710
earnings. So no, brilliant. No,
I would, I would just say thank

1405
01:24:46,710 --> 01:24:50,940
you very much for having me. It
was amazing to talk to you guys.

1406
01:24:52,050 --> 01:24:55,710
Yeah, and keep on doing the good
work. I'm just so happy to be

1407
01:24:55,710 --> 01:24:57,570
part of this. This community.

1408
01:24:58,440 --> 01:25:02,130
Well, we can't thank you enough.
And, and I personally can't

1409
01:25:02,130 --> 01:25:05,730
thank you enough because I
really enjoy your product. It

1410
01:25:05,730 --> 01:25:09,150
just fits perfectly in my life
right now. So that's Martin

1411
01:25:09,150 --> 01:25:13,080
Morton. Now you can find him.
Well, most importantly, I would

1412
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:17,460
say pod friend.com any other
places at Martin that podcast?

1413
01:25:18,390 --> 01:25:21,720
podcast index out social, any
other places to promote for you

1414
01:25:22,830 --> 01:25:28,290
know I think pot friend.com and
and podcast, index or social.

1415
01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:30,570
Those are the places to find me.
Okay

1416
01:25:30,570 --> 01:25:33,720
fantastic Martin, thank you so
much. Really appreciate it.

1417
01:25:33,930 --> 01:25:35,070
Thanks, Martin. Yeah, thank you,

1418
01:25:35,100 --> 01:25:38,430
Dave. Anything for the for the
last few minutes?

1419
01:25:38,550 --> 01:25:42,570
Yeah, no, I don't think so. We
get I got a stack of stuff here.

1420
01:25:42,570 --> 01:25:46,200
But we at least we know the next
week. Yeah, we'll do that next

1421
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:46,380
week.

1422
01:25:47,010 --> 01:25:49,740
Another board meeting next week.
Again, thanks to our guests

1423
01:25:49,740 --> 01:25:53,520
Martin Morton, and my co founder
and partner Dave Jones. Thank

1424
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:55,950
you. Thank you. It was it was a
good day is a good way to wrap

1425
01:25:55,950 --> 01:25:57,780
up the week. Did the Danes are

1426
01:25:57,780 --> 01:25:59,040
happy I feel happy right now. I

1427
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:00,990
know it's rubbing off. It's
fantastic.

1428
01:26:03,540 --> 01:26:06,720
Take some of that dangerous love
and go enjoy your weekend. We'll

1429
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:09,840
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