Adam Curry: Podcasting 2.0 for August 30, 2024, episode 191, we
love wonky. Hello everybody. It's Friday. Once again. What a
board meeting we have planned for you. Just take a look at
your handouts. We have quite the agenda, because this is where we
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live. We are the only boardroom that does non director outreach
during weekdays. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas
Hill Country and Alabama, the man who will make up to $100
million with this podcast, say hello to my friend on the other
end, the one, the only deposit, Mr. Dave Jones,
Dave Jones: that's only if I meet all my metrics, your
Adam Curry: KPIs, your metrics. You gotta do a couple live
shows. We got your merch. Your merch is on there. Your merch.
My listener,
Dave Jones: listener, aggregate or acquisition targets, yes, oh,
mats, my lats. I'm doing my lats. Yes. Did
Adam Curry: you get your GM?
Dave Jones: What is my guaranteed minimum?
Adam Curry: Guarantee minimum? Yes, yes, it'll give you the
guaranteed minimum.
Dave Jones: I'm struggling with the rodecaster here.
Unknown: I've got to Oh no.
Dave Jones: I need See, I need you. I need you super loud in my
headphones, okay, but I don't want myself super business.
That's horrible. Never do that again.
Adam Curry: What's going on? Well, am I coming in on a
channel? So if I crank Jack my channel, man, Jack my channel,
see what's gonna make
Dave Jones: it's already jacked. It'll go and so if I crank my
headphone volume up, then I hear myself really loud, really loud,
huh? I need you. Well, okay, so
Adam Curry: what the the fader that's open that has me, right?
That's the chat channel. Okay, now, now press the button above
it, the little rubber button left tech support, yes, yes, and
press the rubber button and you see their level
Dave Jones: and negative 12. DBs, okay,
Adam Curry: well, I should never be at negative 12. I mean, if
anything, I should be at 11 plus 11. Okay, all right, we're good.
How is that? Is it working, working, working, working,
working,
Dave Jones: did that work that it sounds amazing. Okay, you're
Adam Curry: welcome. Much. You're welcome. You can now
boost me, boost me for that live tech support. And
Dave Jones: so I can say I can turn myself, Oh, that's so much
better. Yay, yay. You're at par. Now you're a
Adam Curry: par. Oh, good. Well, you're
Unknown: at 00, dog
Adam Curry: biscuits, beautiful. Yeah, I saw two stories this
week, and you know, it's this new marketing, which is, oh,
shocker, it's lying. The Kelsey brothers mega deal cements new
era for podcasts. What new era? They've got a guaranteed
minimum, and they can make up to, up to, up to, this is all
based on advertising. I'm sure they're getting a lot of money
and guaranteed minimum, but that's going to be limited. This
is all marketing, and it gets everyone all jacked. I still
have a shot. I have a shot at the Kelsey brothers money. Yeah?
Sure you do. Yeah. Now I will be the first to say that there is
a, most of the TV money that goes into streaming is all NFL
in America. I mean, there is so much money going into NFL. It's
unbelievable
Dave Jones: sports in general, I mean, that's the only thing that
still makes any money. But
Adam Curry: I was hearing, I was hearing a whole report on CNBC
the other day as I was driving back from San Antonio to get my
real ID driver's license San Antonio, San Anton, and the
league is now allowing some teams to take private equity
money, which has been, really, yeah, that it's never been
allowed before. So, you know, people are going to sell is
billions of dollars will be made. Private
Dave Jones: equity is just their their lights out, right? I mean,
they just been gobbling up everything they can. They're so
desperate for money since the since rates went up. I mean,
they're just trying to, they're buying, they're buying stuff
that just doesn't make any sense. Now, in
Adam Curry: fact, there's a lot of people that say that the next
crash could come from private equity money.
Dave Jones: It would not surprise me. Yeah, they're so
desperate for a return. Hey, is that
Adam Curry: you crackling? Or is that me? I hope it's not me. No,
Dave Jones: that you may have heard me have my mouth full with
no,
Adam Curry: no, no, I'm hearing something weird coming through
the channel. Sometimes the rodecaster just takes a nutty
it's happened about four times, and then you have to reboot the
whole thing. You see. Next, I'm hearing it now.
Dave Jones: The next time it happens, it's toast. It's just,
it's not coming back. No,
Adam Curry: don't I think it's me, Dave, let me see 1212 I
might have to let me see one two bounce it. Well, no, it's only,
it's only when you're talking maybe it's yours. Is it mine?
You want to do a simultaneous reboot,
Dave Jones: let's double bounce. Okay,
Adam Curry: hold on. I'm gonna stop, and we're back. Man, sorry
about that. Yeah, it happened. This is now the fifth time. I'll
keep track of it.
Dave Jones: Your, your your road. I hope you have a backup
road caster in the freezer, because this thing's going it's,
it's gonna die. No,
Adam Curry: no, I will have the duo which, which is in the road
kit, which I have to test tomorrow because we're leaving
Monday for my birthday trip to Mexico. That's right, but we
will be doing shows, so it's not really vacation. And you know, I
had, I gave my audio sigma pod mobile to to Jimmy and Annette,
and because they wanted to, like a backpack studio. And even
though, you know, the levels were too hot and they're the
room what, you know, they just did it like basing the kitchen,
so sound is bouncing off everywhere. They got slap
everywhere. But I gotta tell you that the processing on that
thing is better than the rodecaster, especially the noise
gate. It is beautiful. Why'd
Dave Jones: you give it away? I thought you needed something to
test the curry one with. Well,
Adam Curry: he's going to be my he is my beta tester, so he's
going to test it, okay? And also he needs it because he's got a
duo at the church, and they built a studio. But, you know,
you know, they travel, and so he's a kid, so, but it amount, I
kidded him out. Yes, indeed. So anyway, we were talking about
that. What are you drinking? Lacroix pure. Oh, yes. Very
nice. So I think all these mega deals, you know, it's, it gets
everybody all excited, but it's, you know, especially, I mean,
there's, doesn't seem very likely that Amazon really gave
them $100 million and said, Good luck to you. There's
Dave Jones: so many ways to announce $100 million deal
without actually spending any money whatsoever.
Adam Curry: Well, I just did that. You will make up to up to
$100 million with this podcast, is obvious. And the one that was
that was really a piece of, you know, as far as I'm concerned,
propaganda, which came in directly through Bloomberg, was
pods are pod is dead. What is that? Oh, you didn't see this
article that was all over the social podcasting evolved away
from Apple and towards YouTube. Oh yes, yes, YouTube. YouTube
didn't even show up to Podcast Movement, as far as I know, or
barely, they're giving up people, trust me on this,
YouTube made their push. They've got to tighten the belt. It's
all AI. There's, there's no money in podcasting for them.
Dave Jones: Did you see the NPR Joy czar? Joy czar? Yes. Well, I
have a czar of joy no, yes.
Adam Curry: Where would I find said czar?
Dave Jones: Uh, it's a Bloomberg story.
Adam Curry: Bloomberg can't, you know, so they have a so they
can't afford a podcasting crew, but they hired a joy czar.
Dave Jones: Yeah, this was in,
Adam Curry: oh, you're right. Here it is, National Public
Radio confronts election season with a joy czar.
Dave Jones: And this is from, evidently, an internal memo
leaked over to Ashley Carmen, and she says, This is dumb. So,
so here's the, you know, the thing about NPR is we wondered,
you know, allowed a while back, like, why? What's their
strategy? Yeah, their strategy is clear. Is clearly it's gone
from try to grow your audience more diverse, to keep the
audience that you have at all costs. This is what this this is
a separate memo obtained by Bloomberg and sent this week
from Edith Chapin, Acting Chief Content Officer, suggests NPR is
making a concentrated effort to not only increase its radio
listener base, older millennials, Gen X and Boomers,
but ensure the people they already reach Do not leave. This
is a quote from the memo. From the internal memo more than two
this is the quote, more than two thirds of our broadcast audience
is over 45 but for more than five years, the only age
demographic that has grown in that and that audience are the
over 65
Adam Curry: of course, radio's dying. We are that's big secret
joys. All
Dave Jones: this supports our broader goal to better
understand. And serve the curious, an audience that
reflects the full diversity of America and where we see
enormous potential for growth across platforms that we can't
seem to achieve. Unbelievable. I mean, the joy this did, the joys
are saying thing, I think, like, because what they tried to, you
know, they in at a time when NPR is being, is, just, is loot is
hemorrhaging audience, yes, and, and the and even, according to
The New York Times comment section, it's because it's so,
you know, left leaning, clearly partisan, that they can't that,
that even the left listeners don't even find it interesting
anymore.
Adam Curry: If you're, if you're able to alienate the left, then
you've really screwed the push. I mean
Dave Jones: that, according to that story in The New York
Times, that's basically the issue there. They've gotten so
hyper left partisan, and they've they've painted themselves into
a corner. Now, because they don't, they've alienated so much
of the rest of their potential audience that all they have left
is just sort of like this very political United States
political left, and so now they have to do things like a point
of joys. Are taking a term out of the Democratic nominee
campaign in order to try to hold on to that last sliver of
audience they have when you get to that point, it doesn't matter
if you're a left leaning outlet or a right leaning outlet or
whatever, if you paint yourself into a sort of an idea, an
ideological corner, that way, you're going to become a slave
to one small section of audience, and you are screwed.
Adam Curry: So this is the first big move, I guess, by the new
CEO, Catherine Meyer.
Dave Jones: I guess strong move. Guess very strong.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Great move, Kate Katie, I'll just call it
Katie Katie. So the couple of interesting things going on
since our last board meeting, I do have some reports. Did
everyone get the
Dave Jones: handouts I've got mine. Okay?
Unknown: I have the power with the power with me to just take
one off the top and pass it on
Adam Curry: the head. Two calls. I'll start with the Zebedee call
I had today.
Dave Jones: Yes, the call that I desperately wanted to attend but
could not, because I had a meeting. Well, that's okay.
Adam Curry: It was, it was a short, you know, we had half an
hour planned, and Katie, who, who is the Zebedee lady, you
recall the one that you met at Ben's a Bitcoin who is who
listens to this podcast, I might point out. So she got her call
out. Hey, Katie, she also hit me with an in the morning, which
was like, whoa, okay. Oh, wow, that's strong. Chief Technology
Officer from
Dave Jones: Zebedee, also not the CEO of NPR.
Adam Curry: No Ben the CTO and Andre the CSO, which I think is
Chief strategic officer, Strategy Officer, Chief Safety.
No, no, he's not safety. No, he was. He seemed more like a
strategy guy and very familiar with what we're doing, of
course, because Zebedee is the is the wallet provider for
fountain and for Wave Lake and very friendly, friendly group.
Nice call. We missed you dearly. I think I represented well
enough they're they're very familiar with what we're doing.
Understand. They say, how can we help? Well, when someone says
that to me, I'm just like, I know
Dave Jones: I've been on so many of these calls with you. Well,
buddy says, How can we help? Let me get my let me get my. Hold
on,
Adam Curry: hold on. Let's get my remarkable right. Here, I
have some notes.
Dave Jones: I will tell you exactly how you can help. And
Adam Curry: I did, and I said, Hey, what we really need is we
need an API for the podcast apps to be able to talk to so that we
can do value for value I talked about. And it turns out it's
actually interesting. They had, they had created a whole key
send infrastructure and their API, which they never used. And
when fountain came along, they were like, Oh, crap. Well, yeah,
so Ben was like, you know, the tech guy is, like, I was so
happy with that. So we had a nice chat. I explained what
we're looking for, and now the benefit of they, basically,
their main business is games. So, you know, from in game
money, etc, for buying stuff and selling stuff, and so they have
MT, eyes. MTLS, sorry, I gotta get the acronyms down. NTL,
Dave Jones: wait, wait, let me, let me guess what that means.
MTL, minimum transaction limit, not
Adam Curry: even close, money transmitter license, yeah. Ah,
so they have money transmitter licenses, and so, you know what?
I went for the full jugular. I said, what I really want is I
want an API so every podcast app can say, Hey, you want a wallet.
Click here and that, and it creates a wallet right there for
you don't have to go anywhere. Yeah. And they said, Well, we
have that. That is, in fact, what fountain and what wave Lake
have. Now, what's interesting, I learned a little bit about their
business. In order to fulfill their to, you know, adhere to
their MTL, KYC, lmnops, they have to the minute you sign up
through. So if you create a wallet on fountain or on wave
Lake, they immediately, so you hit their API, and there's a
whole bunch of stuff that happens. They're checking the IP
address of the person who signed up. Basically, they're trying to
find, find out if the person who just created a wallet is a bad
guy, a terror a tourist, a tourist, or a money loaner or
something like that, okay, and, and so they actually offer that
as a service.
Dave Jones: And terrorism checking
Adam Curry: as a service. Terrorism, task, terrorism as a
service? Yes, they I gotta write that down. Task, but that, you
know, they have a pretty hefty fee for that on a monthly basis,
which is $500 to which I said, that's fantastic. 99.9% of our
app developers cannot afford that. No, there's no way. No, I
said that. There's no way. And I said, You know what we had with
Albie, and before that, lmpay, and before that, even with
Sphinx, and the stuff that we've had has been, you know,
basically, take a piece of the transaction. The listeners seem
to be okay with it. They just see it as a wallet fee. It's not
a big deal. But they explained to me in more detail than I
should probably divulge, there's a lot of stuff that goes on to
make sure you're not a terrorist as a service. Yeah, and I
appreciate that. Then they said, Well, how about this? Would it
be okay if people created a wallet on Zebedee, and then
connected that to their podcast app. I said, that would be fine.
I said, Well, we can do significantly. And, you know,
they the $20 a month came out, which, you know, even that may
be steep for some of our app devs, but shit, I'll give you
$20 a month to keep right, I will. And what, what Ben
proposed was, how about OAuth two so you can connect your
Zebedee wallet through like, you know, like you're logging with
Gmail or something like that. And I said, that sounds pretty
good. I think that's most people are comfortable. In fact, I
think people even more comfortable knowing that, you
know, if you go, Oh, I connected through my Gmail. Okay, you
know, I think people are comfortable with that. You do
that all the time, log in with Gmail or login with something
else. And so what they propose is they will send us a document
with these different tiers that we can then share with with the
group and and they'll open it up for us. They'll open up for
business.
Dave Jones: Now, is this something that they're having to
create, or is this something they already have? I
Adam Curry: think I'm I think they already have the OAuth two,
okay, yeah, which I'm like, Okay. I mean, that is does. And
I just pretend that I knew what I was talking about. Well, that
sounds great. And what would you have said, Dave in the meeting?
I'm
Dave Jones: just thinking this through because so Oscar is
essentially doing the same. He's going to do a demo of he emailed
us about it this morning. He's gonna do a demo of the fountain.
Excuse me, of strike,
Adam Curry: just as if I can just say as a side, side note,
okay, boardroom, I hear you all right. It was like, Well, you
shouldn't do a Gmail, that's how they get you. But hey, we just,
we're just trying to move this forward, and if and everybody
should still be able to be sovereign and do whatever you
want, fact of the matter is, people feel very comfortable
logging in with Gmail. In fact, I do it sometime. I have a Gmail
account just for that chat, GPT. Log in with Gmail. I don't use
it for anything else. So, you know, it's like, Come on, we
need to move this forward. And if we're all going to get stuck
on and it's not just Gmail, you can log in with other things
too. OAuth two, it's OAuth two.
Dave Jones: Sorry, so signing up so you would get you would go
sign up for a wallet, and you can connect your app. To that,
yeah, through, through. So, you know, the thing that Oscar is
building is a demo is doing that exact thing with,
Adam Curry: with strike. Strike, yeah, I told them. And
Dave Jones: so, if you like, it would be nice, oh, basically an
OAuth connection to strike. What would be, you know, if there was
a standardized connection so you could switch around, yeah? So,
like, you know, I'm so, I'm imagining, you know, cast O
Matic, right? If cast O Matic says, you know, says, Okay,
well, you want to do one, connect your lightning wallet
and say, Yeah, this is, well, okay, which one you want strike,
Adam Curry: Zebedee, right, right, right, right, right.
Nice. You
Dave Jones: know, in it, that's so it'll be interesting to see
what Z like, what Zebedee thing looks like, and then compare
that to what strikes. Thing strikes, yeah, looks like. And
then we could make it simple. Well, yeah, like, I'm
considering, you know, I'm I'm thinking that I could take what
those things look like and sort of like, put it into a document
that says, the OAuth, the OAuth thing should be the same. That's
standard. But then once you get the token, the OAuth token, the
API language you're speaking with the wallet, could be
different. So then, right, okay, here's, here's sort of like a
abstraction layer document. This is okay. I want it. What do you
want to do? You want to send a transaction? Do you want to load
a wallet? Do you want to do? Here's what these things are.
That way the ad developers can sit, can know. Okay, I'm talking
to strike. I need to do this. Ebony, I need to do this. What
Adam Curry: really made me smile is that they so again, they're
they've been doing games mainly, but they have an internal
strategy for value, for value, for as many things as possible.
So I can see this being connected to posts, to, you
know, activity, pub, all kinds of things. Yeah, and I think
that's good. I like that they're doing that. I think that's
really good. It was a very fun, happy call, very nice people.
Dave Jones: So the $20 is, like, that's, that's what is. Where
does that mean? Like, where does that go to them? No, I mean,
yeah. Well, to charity,
Adam Curry: yeah. But, well, it's, it's, you know, it's, it's
still like, does
Dave Jones: that mean, does that mean caste O Matic has to pay
$20 a month or something
Adam Curry: every No, no, no, no. Just cast O Matic, just
customatic for some sort of
Dave Jones: developer license, yeah.
Adam Curry: And of course, they have to, you know, you the
developer, has to go through a very brief but obvious check,
you know, okay, you're a doctor. You prescribe herbs, you do a
podcast app on Friday. Okay, you're Italian. Oh, hold on a
second. Check the Italian database out the car, yeah. So
there's some kind of check there, which they have to do for
the money transmitter license. It's just a fact of life, if, if
we want to, you know, if you want to complete, what do they
call they call it.
Unknown: They said they had a word for it. Let me look at my
notes here. They called it a
Adam Curry: embedded wallet. No, that's different, hosted Wallet.
So embedded wallet is what Fountain has, and that's your
and what wave lake. I haven't done anything with Wave lake,
but you know where, basically wave Lake says, Here's your
wallet. You've done it all within wave lake, or within
within fountain. That's your $500 a month. And I said, I
literally used Franco as an example. Said, Franco prescribes
herbs to people during the day, and he does, he does an app, an
app on the weekends, says, you know, he has, doesn't have $500
a month, you know? And they understand $500 a month, and
they say, well, but you know, we can do it this way, so you can
link an already existing Zebedee account. I said, that's fine,
you know? It's just, it's a hurdle, but it's it. That's
fine. We can do that. But the feeling I get from them is that
they this internal strategy. Once they can show that, that it
has legs, they can bring that down and do more. And, you know?
And it's all, it's all about scale, obviously,
Dave Jones: yeah, I mean, I mean, shoot, I would, I would
front the 20 bucks a month. That's
Adam Curry: what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. You got
a problem, yeah, here, Adam, here, curry cash. There you go.
Yeah, exactly, right off the bat,
Dave Jones: yeah. Franco, you know, Mitch. I mean, I'll be
glad to do that as I think this is, this is an interesting this
actually is turning out pretty interesting, because which what
it sounds like, and we're talking, we have a call with
light Spark as well there, um, yes, in a couple of weeks, two
weeks or so. Yeah, two weeks or so. And, oh. We're, you know,
we'll obviously be talking to them about the same thing. So
which, what we could end up with is an ecosystem where you have,
Adam Curry: um, roll your own, Albie,
Dave Jones: yeah, Albie, which is becoming roll your own, you
hook to your own node, yep. Then you have Zebedee is going to
pick up the Zebedee crowd, which is already has, like, a game, a
gamer activities, which, by
Adam Curry: the way, talk about promotion, like, here's all,
hello Zebedee gamers, or what, you know, I'm sure they have
outreach to their customers. Here's all the podcasts, yeah,
here's all the podcasts. And I committed to them because they
were, you know, they were clearly like, you know, we want
to talk about this. You're looking at him, you're looking
at the guy. I will promote the heck out of this. You kidding
me? That's my job. And
Dave Jones: then, and then you have, sort of the you have this
other crowd, which is new podcast listeners that are not
tied to that, that will never run their own node, because
that's ridiculous in their eyes, and they don't have any
experience with this. They could connect a strike wallet like you
could say, hey, go get a strike wallet. Yep. Can you download
the app, connect your strike wallet, and you're good there,
and then, you know, whatever light support you, whatever
light spark says, I mean, this actually could end up being a
much better place where you have, where it's sort of
covering all these different SEC segments of of potential, you
know, V for V onboarding stuff.
Unknown: Yeah, totally.
Dave Jones: This is pretty exciting. I was kind of, I mean,
I've been down in the dumps about this stuff. For you've
been very dumpy, dear, and just dumping everywhere. I mean, it's
like, I know I'm bringing everybody down and but I have, I
mean, I've been like, just like, it's not, it's more of been just
sort of like tired. Felt like we it felt like we already cut, we
covered this ground, and then we got pushed back, and now we're
having to, like, retake the bridge again. Yes, I know, I
know, once more into the breach type thing. And so it kind of
was just kind of had me, like,
Unknown: tired, I understand, but, but it, I
Dave Jones: think it actually may end up being being better, a
better, more healthy ecosystem now,
Adam Curry: well, obviously, you know, the initial idea that you
and I had behind this was For you know, you want to be
resistance against de platforming, right? Clearly,
this is not it, but it's still open for anybody to use their
own node,
Dave Jones: yeah, see that in you net, you always have that
option. So that part solved, right? I mean, if that ever
really, if the de platforming actually was an issue that hit
you, just spin back up with your own node and you're done
exactly,
Adam Curry: exactly. So I feel bullish. And you know what? I
can't say it enough. Nice team. Nice team. No, really it was. I
was like, wow, these are really cool, nice people. You know, I
have a strong aversion towards corporate douchebags. And there
was none of that, none of that. Well,
Dave Jones: me Katie was delight at the at the party. Oh, she's,
yeah,
Adam Curry: she's the outreach, uh, Zebedee, outreach. So she I
said, you reached out, right? Yeah, she did, yeah. And she
said, Thanks for the call out on the show. We tracked you down.
We got you. That's right, that's right. She's now an honorary
board member. So then I had another call this week with uh
libsyn's own Rob Walsh.
Dave Jones: You have, you've been pounding the pavement this
week, doing the work, as I
Adam Curry: said, as I said in the opening, we do non director
outreach during weekdays.
Dave Jones: Non director, you know, so much corporate space is
funny. It's
Adam Curry: sad, really, when you think about it, it's sad.
You want a little report?
Dave Jones: I would love a Walsh report. Yeah, wow.
Adam Curry: The Walsh report. Yes. So this was a little
backstory on the Libsyn podcast. What's that podcast? Called the
Libsyn podcast?
Dave Jones: It's called,
Unknown: this is the fee, the hold on the feed. All right,
Dave Jones: that thing that's that's literally the intro, but
there's not, I don't have enough reverb. Can you give reverb on
the duo? Does it have
Adam Curry: read? Yeah, it has reverb. But I What's sad about
the the rodecasters, I can't put reverb on anything but mics. I
can't so I can't put it on you. Because, man, what I love to
make you sound like that.
Dave Jones: You can't do that. Yeah. Where's, where's my
reverb?
Adam Curry: Well, you got, it's under Effects, and you got to
set it up. And,
Dave Jones: no, that sucks. I don't have time for that. You
really don't. That means don't do it. No.
Adam Curry: So this was in response to Rob on the feed
saying that podcasting 2.0 was too much stick, not enough
carrot. Maybe it was all stick, no carrot. I don't remember
exactly.
Dave Jones: More more carrot less stick. Yeah, more
Adam Curry: carrot less stick. So we get on the phone, and he
came in hot. Oh, he came in hot. Yeah, mother, not quite that
hot, but he came in pretty hot. He was very upset about the
blatant lies we had told on the show, on in the board meeting.
Oh, great that he does understand the tags. And he was
very adamant. Said our cap table is okay. We got rid of the
Chinese and and we are growing. We're doing fine. I say, you
know, good, you know, Rob, I'm exactly so that's great. So, you
know, it's just when, when there's no information coming
out of the company, stuff starts to rumble, you know? So what we
have here is a failure to communicate. He was then he
reminded me that Libsyn had supported two tags already,
which are the block tag and block tag. Yeah, and there's one
more, I think the transcript, well, that's recent. They added
that in. I said, Yeah, once Apple, uh, took it. I think it
was, there was another one, yeah? Well, they declared them,
yeah. They declared the namespace. But he also says, you
know, we have an open space for you to put in any tags you want,
which is true? Yeah, yeah. I think that's true. They have a,
like, a blank box you can paste in whatever you want to paste
in.
Dave Jones: I think that's, yeah, I know they do, but that's
just not, I mean, like, well, well,
Adam Curry: and so this is where part of his trouble comes from.
And I will say that there's definitely some personality
issues not relevant to the board meeting. And it's not my place
to to, you know, to get into that. But there's definitely
just general personality stuff that conflict, conflict has been
going on, probably for years, and, you know. So we started
talking about tags, and he was telling me that no one supports
them. And I say, Well, I'm looking right here at, you know,
podcast index.org/apps, and you know, they do it is, well, the
LIVE TAG, no one supports it. Well, though that's true, not
true, because here's the apps that support it. We have a real
fundamental, I don't know if I didn't feel like jumping all the
way in and trying to explain that, you know that we're
actually playing this, I thought I explained it the stream plays
in the app, but he has a philosophical difference about
how that should work. He feels that that should be something
separate. And you alert someone that it shouldn't be in the app.
I guess. I don't know why, but
Dave Jones: it shouldn't be in that that was that. But I
thought he said he came in hot saying he understood the tags
and, well, podcast addict supports the live podcast guru
and but podcast I'm just, I'm isolating podcast addict because
it is always one of the top apps. I mean, it's one of the
top apps on Android anyway, allow me to move on. Sorry, I'm
I'm just getting now, so you can see, and I, I went into
Adam Curry: this call, uh, hearing brother James in my ear.
Be quick to listen, slow to speak, slow to get angry. So I
was just, I was and Tina said, Who are you talking to? I said,
Rob Walsh. Wow. You were really calm and patient is that's say,
Yeah, I know, because I was really trying to listen to what
he was saying. And I said, you know, not agreeing with the tag
is totally okay. And, and I said, and by the way, I don't
care if you don't support any of them. I don't care if nobody
supports none of it being my perfect grammar, I said it
doesn't matter this. This was born out of app developers who
want these tags. They've had these ideas for over a decade.
We've always been saying, well, Apple doesn't support it. We're
not going to do it. And look at where we are. We have hundreds
of 1000s of feeds thanks to Buzzsprout and rss.com, and pod
home and RSS blue and, you know, I don't even remember all of
them.
Dave Jones: Red. Circle, yeah.
Adam Curry: I mean blueberry, yeah, blue, oh, sorry, Todd,
blueberry. I mean, a lot of a lot of support. And does
everyone. Support everything, no but that which gains traction,
gains traction. And I said, Really, instead of on your
podcast, the feed the place to because he had, he made a big
deal about the person tag. He says, My job is to grow our
customers feed a show which is, you know, I tried taught, I
tried everybody over this, like, grow this. All right, grow, grow
your show, whatever he says, the person tag is already satisfied
by the author tag, which Apple uses for search and is the best
place for SEO faults. Well, I had no counter to that because I
don't know, but please make your point false. No,
Dave Jones: I'm saying, I'm saying that the the the author
tag cannot, it has it is not serve the same role as the
person tag. The person tag can exist at the channel level and
at the item level, and it had in it can be multiple it can have
multiple instances of it. It can also have, it also has a role so
Adam Curry: that, yeah, that I explained, I said, there's a
taxonomy, and you couldn't have been assigned people. It doesn't
matter. I'm just telling you what he said. I wasn't trying to
argue with him. I was just trying to hear what, what his
issues were. What
Dave Jones: I'm struggling with right now is, though, is this,
this, this same thing of, I understand the tags, but, but
again, you well, but what he's saying is he doesn't is, is
everything he's saying is he doesn't understand the tags like
these. He's describing them in ways that don't that aren't
accurate. Well,
Adam Curry: here, here's what it came down to. I said, Rob, what
would really be helpful is, if you are in the GitHub, as these
tags are being created, there's, there's discussions that have
gone on for years about certain tags, and tags can change, and
you know, we're open to it, but you know, there's no
participation from Libsyn, to which he said, I'm hiring
someone who's going, whose job it is, is going, is to be that.
Okay? So, okay, all right. So I said that will be very helpful,
because there is a place for these things to grow. Now, what
I think, and he made it, here's where he made a good point. The
feed is for is, I mean, we just see that as a podcast, right?
We're like, Oh, this guy's talking about talking smack
about us. The feed is for his customers. And as I kind of
suspected, what's happening is support is getting calls like,
well, you know, one of it is how I need podcasting, 2.0 and they
don't have it. And so they say, Well, you can put it in here,
and then they put it in there, and they say it didn't show up
on Apple. So it's become a very it's become a huge annoyance for
him. This, I understand this. I understand if you don't have the
script, if you don't have the answers, and you're not really
in agreement with most of these tags anyway. Of course, people
are calling up saying, Well, what's this with this podcast,
too. So I think that without him even realizing it, he's talking
down what we're doing to, um, help his customers understand
that it's just not that important from his perspective.
Dave Jones: He wants people to stop calling them. That's
Adam Curry: kind that's kind of, yeah, kind of what I got out of
it. And I under and I understand that I really do, um, and then,
you know, to have a podcast, a podcast Standards Project, that
says, Well, you got to have minimum of these five tags. It
just became, I think, them versus us type deal, which I
don't think anyone really wants
Dave Jones: to clarify. I mean, we've, we had more, you know,
more than one person email us and say, you know, hey, nobody
reached out to Marco in any sort of negative way or anything like
that. I mean, like it does not the people from the podcast
Standards Project felt like we threw them under the bus, which
was completely unintended. That's not at all intended. I
mean, I thought, No, I was
Adam Curry: driving the bus.
Unknown: Just kidding, just kidding.
Dave Jones: I didn't, you know, I didn't think. I didn't think
that, that that we did that, but if we did it wasn't intentional.
Adam Curry: Well, so let me just take this a little bit further.
Um,
Dave Jones: everybody's just trying, let me, let me say this.
Everybody is just trying to do the thing that's best for the
people that for their own community. And I mean this Yes,
an accurate use of the word community,
Unknown: yes, yes, nailing it through. Through this show,
Dave Jones: through Lipson the feed show, the feed through that
show, Rob is talking to his community, yes, and he is trying
to affect a particular response from them, to settle them down,
to stop asking for these things that he can't give them. So the
podcast standard projects is talking to their community,
which is the hosting companies that they hope to get on board
with 2.0 in order to standardize their efforts to make everybody
sort of like put put everybody on the same set of tracks.
Adam Curry: Yes. And so his main gripe is, overcast doesn't use
them. The biggest apps don't use it. I said, Well, you know,
Apple just added the transcript tag, so yeah, and we added it
right away. I said, you're kind of making my point for me,
because these things take a long time. I mean, I remember the
conversations about a show notes tag in the original RSS spec,
which, you know, became, it became, I think that out of that
grew the atom project, atom, because we got to have this. And
I said, it's, you have to understand that I don't see the
world the way you do. I don't see it as grow your show to be
the biggest thing on the planet. In fact, I think the polar
opposite. I think the future of podcasting is local, but it's
really about the community. And if I look at my community, no
agenda. Being a community, I have over 50% I think, do not
use apple. I'm not even on Spotify, and it doesn't hurt me,
and people use it because I provide extra content. Well,
actually, part of it is with Dr Scott, with chapters and other
things. And for a long time, the transcripts, which are only were
not available on Apple and and so my community uses this. I'm
not a big believer in it. Everybody has to, has to do
everything, and it has to be the biggest, and it's, you know,
it's international, and that's how you grow your show. And if
Apple doesn't provide it, then it's no good. And he also said,
Pocket Casts. Well, Pocket Casts, you know, they're coming
along. We've had talks with them, you know. And they
support,
Dave Jones: they support quite a few tags. Now, of course,
Adam Curry: of course they do. Of course they do. And I would
they support chapters.
Dave Jones: They support pod ping. They just added them. They
added one, a couple. They support transcripts like they
there's a lot of Yeah, stuff that they support. So where
Adam Curry: we kind of left it is, look, please participate.
Join us. You know, join in, at least on the GitHub again. He
said he tried to hire someone. Now he's hiring someone, and in
two months, they'll be in Okay, that's great, and we welcome the
feedback. We really do, even if it's, I mean, I don't
participate in the GitHub because it riles me up, and I'm
not good at it, and I just, it's like, you know, I'll take the
abstraction when it pops to the top. I'm also not a developer,
but there's a lot of philosophical stuff that people
discuss and and I think that even our GitHub is is at a point
where people don't rage quit and, well, you're not doing it,
you know? It's like, okay, people give in, you know, like,
Okay, well, I guess I lost that one. I'll do it on something
else. And, and he said that that Libsyn would be participating
it. So that's good now, but I learned some very frightening
things, because he was talking about all the integrations they
have. And I did not know this, and I am going to presume that
many hosting companies do this, and it really it hurt my heart,
a lot of these integrations, and specifically Spotify, enable a
quick way for you to get on Spotify or get on, you know, I
heart or get on, etc, etc,
Dave Jones: yeah, like, one click add to their direct Yes,
Adam Curry: but it's not just add to their directory. It's add
and agree to Terms of Service. And okay, and he and what. And
to his credit, he says, You know, I have negotiated with
these parties. And, you know, some had really bad terms of
service where they can do whatever they want. And, you
know, basically Spotify, can advertise and do all kinds of
things. And so the more I'm listening to this, the more and
they even create special feeds for. These, for some of these
integrations, yeah, it broke my heart.
Dave Jones: That's so broke my heart that's sad, yeah, and, and
so
Adam Curry: the more I think about it, the more broken this
podcast industrial complex appears, because you do have to
sign. I mean, I never liked that you had to have an Apple
account. And of course, with Apple, you have to sign a, you
know, you have to agree to their EULA, or whatever it is, to get
your podcast day. And I won't do it anymore. I mean, no agenda's
been there forever. This show was put there without us
agreeing to anything someone else put it in which you'd think
would not be possible. And it's heartbreaking. It's
heartbreaking that all these integrations into all these
separate platforms all have separate terms of service, and
this is why you get kicked off so easily. You know, they can
just cut it off at the source. There's a million different
things that can happen, and it broke my heart. I mean, it's
these. I don't know who's doing it, or how many, I presume most
who have an integration. Really, it's not like, here's my feed.
Take it into your app and display it notes. You've got to
agree to their terms of service, and you're doing this with one
click integration. I understand from a business perspective, why
it's done, but don't come to me anybody who does this and say,
you know, we support open RSS, because you don't, you're
actually hurting open RSS. Wait,
Dave Jones: that's what the index is for. Yes, sir. There
are no Terms of Service. I mean, if you put a feed out there,
we're eventually going to find it and we're going to stick it
in the directory, stick it in if you want to stay, if you want to
stick it in before we get there, then you can go ahead and stick
it in. But, I mean, like, that's, and that's, it'll just
go right in there so that that's, that's the whole reason
there is an index is because that is for that very reason,
yep, I think you know, on the media, I hate Listen, this
Adam Curry: is, I think this is a repeat, because they re aired
this. This is old, yeah, but okay, yes,
Dave Jones: it is, it is, it is a, is a very cut down re repair
of of an episode from last year about Apple's role in
podcasting. So it's, it's funny because it's outdated, and then
to look back now, knowing what we know about the inflated
download numbers that Apple podcast app was causing, yeah,
and so like raw, it's interesting that Rob was, was
the guest, sort of guest interview on that show. And he
mentions in there that, like seeing something like 440, 6% or
something of their downloads are from Apple podcasts. That that
number has obviously come way down because those, because
those download numbers were not, you know, they were being
inflated by Apple's I
Adam Curry: know exactly what. I know exactly what clip you
pulled now.
Unknown: So this without having listened to it, really,
I think so. I think so. Yeah,
Dave Jones: but, you know, it was not overall, not it was just
a repeat of of, I think we covered this episode with the
last year when it came out. But, um, it's, you know, tying your
just like what you're saying, tying yourself to Apple or
Spotify or these companies in a way where you won't do anything
until they do it first. That's not, that's not podcasting in
this this, it's not, it's not true to the spirit of
podcasting. Todd. Todd and Rob had a great show Wednesday on
the new media show. And I know
Adam Curry: I was trolling along. It was great. You were
Dave Jones: all over, causing them all kinds of grief. But he,
you know, Todd talked about, he used the term hold the line on
RSS and in I think he's, I think he's right. He you know, we got,
we've got, we've got to hold the line, or you're going to look
back in a few years and it's just going to be YouTube and
Spotify, and there's not going to be anybody else.
Adam Curry: I'm pretty sure blueberry integrates and does
stuff though. I mean, these guys have to do it,
Dave Jones: sure, but I may be right. You had Yeah, but I'm
saying like he's, he's talking about making an investment into
and they're going to start promoting video podcasting, yes,
in order to to begin the process. And he said it's a
financial risk for them. It is, and I appreciate that yes, begin
this process of trying to pull some of this back out of these
siloed platforms and but, but I thought the best part of this,
of that show, and this was a new part that they just added for
this re air, was this one little section at the end about
podcasting being sort of. Like the road less traveled. The
Unknown: same thing that's made podcast technology a little
wonky and a little random has also kept it on this different
path than other digital media. It was coded by techies to solve
a delivery problem and then given a home by Apple to sell
hardware and for listeners, well, we can subscribe to a
gazillion podcasts for free from the App of our choice. What
could possibly go wrong?
Dave Jones: Yes, I think, I think she, she did a beautiful
job of summing up podcasting. It was created by techies to solve
a delivery problem. Podcasting at his heart, is not an is not
an industry. What we've been saying for forever. You know, if
you go into broadcast, if you go into broadcast, radio and
television world, that was a that was a club, because you
have to have FCC licensing in order to get the spectrum you
need. And there, and there was limited, there was limited,
limited channel space and limited ad inventory based on
time slots. There was broadcast, radio and television was always
a very exclusive club which created it as it which meant it
was an industry where everybody sort of talked amongst
themselves, and all mostly went in the same direction, because
it was a small cadre of people, really, at the top, that mostly
owned everything. Yes, I come from this world. Podcasting is
not that there is no podcasting industry, because there can't be
a podcasting industry because, because it's not a club, because
the technology is open in any moment, at any moment, there's
there's podcast hosting companies, podcast apps,
agencies, popping up and also disappearing in, you know, all
the time, constantly, every month, there's new things coming
online, old things that are dying on the vine, going
offline. Nobody controls it. No, there's no club there because
it's, it's too big to be a club. It's too open and it's too
broad. You can't when you can't control it, you can't have a
club. And when you can't control what it takes to come into the
group, you can't be exclusive enough and exclude people from
the group. Therefore, it's not a club, and it's the end. And
then, by virtue of that, it's not an industry, ie,
Adam Curry: you can't monetize the network, yes.
Dave Jones: And so this, you know, I she said, you know, she
said that podcast was created by techies to to solve a delivery
problem, a content delivery problem, and then it was adopted
by Apple to sell hardware. That's what Apple's role in
podcasting was, and still continues to be. Well,
Adam Curry: they have, there's one extra thing they brought,
because they did create a I had an index iPod or.org and they
created an index which enabled them to solve quote, unquote
solve, although it only solves it for them, the one click
subscription,
Dave Jones: but that see and with and that was capture. That
was actually capture. That was capture because you that that
that Apple's directory was only available publicly in a public
API form because their app required, yes, it was never
intended to be available for other apps to use. Exactly it
that was not the intent. It was an accident of history that that
ended it ended up that way, just like it was an accident of
history that the iTunes namespace ended up being
publicly usable because it had to be, but you still can't
control it. That's correct. And so these things, these are
things that you app, I think she I think that's that little
sentence at the end is a perfect summation, perhaps the best one
I've ever heard of podcasting in general, created by techies to
solve a content delivery problem adopted by Apple to sell
hardware. Let's
Adam Curry: listen one more time. The
Unknown: same thing that's made podcast technology a little
wonky and a little random has also kept it on this different
path than other digital media. It was coded by techies to solve
a delivery problem and then given a home by Apple to sell
hardware and for listeners, well, we can subscribe to a
gazillion podcasts for free from the App of our choice. What
could possibly go wrong? Two. Yeah,
Dave Jones: it was, it was, she said it at the very beginning.
It's a little bit wonky. Yeah, it is. And guess, guess what?
The name, the podcast namespace, it's a little bit wonky, because
everything in podcasting is a little bit wonky, because that's
the way that this stuff works. And we love, I mean, yes, we
love one. I mean, he's we love, yeah, well, I mean, I love Ted
over to Apple. I think the apple podcast team. I think the apple
podcast team is probably the best team inside of all of Apple
period. I mean, but they, they are not a money maker, and
they're completely subservient to Apple's overall
Adam Curry: corporate goals, and there's processes and
everything. Yes,
Dave Jones: and so you're, they, they're, they're a participant
in podcasting, but you, you cannot rely on them to be the
leaders of podcasting, and if you wait on them to do stuff,
you're that's just, that's, that's completely antithetical
to the core concepts of what, of what podcasting is, which is
open delivery and wonky and available everywhere, right?
Adam Curry: But that's, it's antithetical to an industry, and
an industry has been created around it, which, let's face it,
really, really took off during covid, and covid is gone, and
it's time to time to go back, time to go back. Time to go back
to the wonky stuff. And something will hit, something
will happen, and it'll have another resurgence. Here's
Dave Jones: the reason I said all that bowling it down is
because the podcast namespace here. Here's what I feel about
this in relation to like to to rob. I get his concerns about
specific tags. I may not agree with him, but I get his
concerns, and he's and he's entitled to them. It's fine, but
look, try to look past these individual things within these
tags, the tags themselves function the way they're
supposed to. I mean, they clearly do. There's many apps
and hosting companies that are hundreds of 1000s of fees are
putting these things in there, and apps are reading them. They
work. Okay. They may not work exactly the way each individual
person wants them to, but they do work. Look past that for a
second, though, and look at the overall goal and function of 2.0
community and the podcast namespace within the world of
podcast, RSS technology, 2.0 the open source project encompassing
everything that we're doing is really the first credible,
serious attempt to take back control of RSS from big players
like Apple and Spotify and Amazon and Google. It's the
attempt to put the locus of control for RSS podcast delivery
in the hands of actual the people that that create it, the
hosting companies, the podcasters, the app developers,
that of which, of which, Apple and Spotify are also part, but
they're not. They're not the boss. They're just a member like
everybody else. And
Adam Curry: intelligent people understand this. And in fact,
Dvorak says that we will get a Nobel Peace Prize for the index.
Dave Jones: I expect one. I've already got us cleared out of
space on the wall for where it's gonna hang
Adam Curry: Exactly. I think it's a more metal. I don't think
it's actually something you can you can still
Dave Jones: frame that. Frame the metal. It's frameable. It,
you know.
Adam Curry: But you're so right. And I love going on a call with
the people from Zebedee, and said, let me just, you probably
know this, but I just want to explain Adam and Dave are doing
this for our legacy. Because we love podcasting. We love it's,
it's, it's not a hobby. It's like something you just do. It's
like being an altar boy for the church. You know,
Dave Jones: that's a fraught bad example. Bad example,
Adam Curry: avoid. Avoid. It's doing something for the
community. You know, you we're doing something because it's the
right thing to do. It's the right thing to do. People, yeah,
and, and, and, I think I can speak for both of us. We love
doing it.
Dave Jones: It's the right thing to do, but it's not a, it's not
a of a, it's not a doomsday mission. It could, it might
work. That's the thing. Oh, I
Adam Curry: think it is worth No, I think it is working. You
kidding me? Look at what we've achieved.
Dave Jones: Yeah, and if it does work, then, then, hallelujah, we
all win. Everybody win.
Adam Curry: Yes, exactly. And when I look at things like, I
love what they're doing over at pod page, you know, here's a
website company, and dude, I love, you know, curry and the
keeper, we built our website. Tina built it. And she's someone
who's worked a lot with Wix and, you know, Squarespace and all
this stuff, building nonprofit websites throughout her career,
and she was able to go in and says, Oh, look at all this
stuff, and they're adding 2.0 features into their website. Wix
is no, no, no, podcast. Pod page. Oh, pod page. Okay, it's,
it's dynamite. You know, by the way, I think web pages are very
undervalued for many podcasters, and every hosting company gives
you some type of presence. But, I mean, that's just one example.
Then there's David comes in with a hyper catcher extension, which
enables you. I mean, did you see that thing? It's amazing. Do you
listen to the podcast? Just click, click, click. It creates
a chapter marker. You can go back and your chapters are
created. I mean, this is dynamite. These are really cool
things. And then, and I'm proud to announce that. Yes, I'm proud
to announce, let me get the date right, and so I don't proudly
announce the wrong thing. Yeah,
Unknown: hold on, careful. My phone is wonky.
Adam Curry: December.
Unknown: Hold on. Let me just double check December. December.
December
Adam Curry: 16, at antones in Austin, there will be a value
for value concert.
Dave Jones: Oh, do tell Well,
Adam Curry: I just did
Dave Jones: give you some details. I mean, like, well,
who's doing? It's
Adam Curry: the Costello's and it's open mic, and I'm going to
be there. I might be emceeing it. I know we're going to have a
meeting, but it's just like, hey, let's just book it, and
we're going to get people in them and try and get Suzanne
Santo in there, and when it's going to be another V for V
concert, I mean, this is, this is beautiful. She really is.
It's just, it's fantastic that these things can happen. I mean,
yeah, okay, it's very small, the value verse of music. But is it
really? I mean, go take a look at wavelength. Go to it. Take a
look at Ellen beats, you know, open up an app and search for
music. It's, it's pretty amazing. These things take a
long time. They do, they do. They just take a long time.
That's just what it is. And where we live in a world where
it's got to be, got to go viral, it's got to go viral. It's got
to be doing. It got to be out. NPR has got to be talking about
it isn't we're not going to see those days. Wait,
Dave Jones: here's, here's. We also live in a world where
people, quote, unquote, launch products, yes, yes, exactly.
That's not what this thing has ever been, no, no and marketing,
yeah, V for V, 2.0 but names, but none. This stuff was never
launched. It, it was, it's it has grown. It's festered. You
know, yes, I'm
Adam Curry: also going to resend the quote, invention of
podcasting. I think we just discovered it.
Unknown: I don't think anything like electricity, yeah,
Adam Curry: I don't think it was invented, you know, Weiner and I
didn't invent it. We discovered it. We discovered it. It's much
more fair.
Dave Jones: It's like Michelangelo. It was always in
that block of granite. All
Adam Curry: right, let's play a song I'm itching for a second.
David, yes, I know what you're saying. The door fulls are back
with a new track. Caught it on the split kit, and of course, we
want to add it right in boost during the song. The artists get
the SATs. We play the tracks. Here's diamonds tonight. The
conversation
Unknown: is one that I've been waiting for.
It's been hard to be patient, but it's something that we can't
ignore. Don't you know? Don't you know, don't hear you so
much.
In tomorrow's destination, standing for beyond the star.
Love, where the light is everlasting,
while you're Waiting for alone while you're Waiting. Don't be
afraid.
Adam Curry: Good Bye. Door full diamonds, I see him in your
eyes, and I will be on the door full verse, Tuesday, September
17, live. Oh, nice, yes, I think I'll be playing my, my,
Theremin, I'll be jamming you laugh. Dave Jones, you laugh,
you laugh, you laugh at me.
Unknown: Yeah, not. Great song, guys, great song.
Dave Jones: The activity, pub, bridge, interesting to you want
to hear a tidbit? Yeah, the activity pub bridge had a
problem. That's not, that's not the tidbit.
Adam Curry: Because, like, tell me, somebody don't know, okay,
yeah,
Dave Jones: the activity pub bridge is having some sort of
problem where it's not notifying people of certain episodes. And
I don't, I don't yet know exactly what the issue is. I
started looking at it, but I don't, I can't tell yet. I'm
just, I'm just digging around in the database. The way it works
is it keeps there's essentially, there's, there's, there's more
than this. But there's two main tables in activity, pub bridge,
there's an actor's table, which is basically an actor as a
podcast, and there's a followers table, and a follower is an
activity. Pub user, somewhere, somewhere in the feta verse
activity. Pub user, when they subscribe, gets they get linked
to a particular podcast in the actors table. So then, every few
minutes, the activity pub bridge pulls the index for all of the
podcasts it knows about, yeah, or all the podcast, all the
podcasts that people follow. It pulls that and then sees which
one and checks for whatever the latest episode is in the show.
And if it's in then if it's got a GUID that's different from the
one in the actors table, it says, Okay, this, there's a new
episode. And then it finds out all the actors that follow that,
all the followers that follow that show, and knows to send
them all a notification about it. Those are fair. Simple. I
don't yet know what the issue is. I feel like what may have
happened is some scraper just went berserk and did a did a
mass follow on, like 2 million podcasts, and it may have caused
some sort of issue there, but I'm gonna hope, I think that's
what happened. Of course it did, because the internet, you know,
scrapers, yeah, and so if you just send out a mat like, you
know, I mean, there's, there's four point something, 4.2
million podcasts in the index the activity pub bridge can't
check 4.2 million podcasts every few minutes. You can't do it,
just not and it's not realistic. And that's not realistic to the
way the you know, to to the real world. So it's okay that it
can't do that quantity. But if somebody goes through and just
masks fall, does fake follows, then that that's going to screw
things up. But anyway, well, I'll figure that out. But the
interesting to the tidbit, oh,
Adam Curry: here we go. Finally get to the tidbit. Here's the
tidbit
Dave Jones: is there are 4145 active followers on the pre on
the bridge. Wow, that's pretty good. Yeah, over 4000 people on
the fediverse. Wow. These are active, yeah, these are verified
where it went, where there was a three way handshake. 4145
fetaverse activity, pub, people, nice podcast.
Unknown: Oh, that's pretty good, actually. That feels like a lot,
yeah, it does not bad for your podcast app,
Dave Jones: yeah? And I feel like this is an, and I feel like
I feel like this is a, you know, another sign of things are
changing, you know? I mean, if you go back five years ago,
gosh, even a year ago, the you know, Twitter was, was the
dominant Town Square in the world. Now, half those users
have left and gone to Mastodon and threads and threads and Red
Sky and Telegram, Telegram, Telegram, and it's just a sign
that thing, I mean, things change over time, and you can't
you have to be willing to build the new technologies that enable
new functionality for these to follow people where they're
actually going, yeah. And so I think that act the activity pub,
cross out comments, and you can throw a nostr in there as well.
All of those, these, these new these new things, of of
attaching podcasting to social infrastructure that I think
that's going to it may take, it may take five years. It may take
10 years, I don't know, but I think it's promising, and
Adam Curry: it's too bad that x just cut everybody off with the
API shutting down. Yeah, it was chop going chop. And I think
that's gonna hurt to hurt X long term, the future is open. The
future is small.
Dave Jones: I don't think I could ever, I don't think I'll
ever be able to call an X. It's just dumb. Well, all
Adam Curry: right, I have on my list, aggregator, dB. You said
it was a potential board topic, so here I am bringing it up. Oh
yeah,
Unknown: oh yeah,
Dave Jones: oh yeah. I
Adam Curry: take notes.
Dave Jones: Let's see I got a thing over here. Oh, I got a
thing. Let's see. Boost,
Adam Curry: I don't know why I did that, but it felt right.
Dave Jones: I don't either. I just kind of weird. But, um,
yes, each, you know, the aggregate, the aggregator, so
bear let me back up. Barry,
Adam Curry: uh, Dutch, Berry, Dutch master Barry,
Dave Jones: Dutch master berry built some new pod pain code,
oh, oh,
Unknown: all right.
Dave Jones: Let me see if I can pull it up. I want to link on a
link to what he's got, or a verb. This is a verbal link. I
want to verbally link to what he has. Where is it? Come on,
Barry, pop up my timeline. Brother, okay, yeah, here it is.
So it's, he open sourced it, and it's a pot. It's a C is built in
C Sharp. And it's a way to, a way to to pull pod ping. I mean,
it's like the hive watcher. Yeah, you're pulling pod ping
in, in, just in C Sharp, instead of, instead of Python. And so
he's doing that for his own he's building a building a podcast
app. Yeah. Uh, well, you know what? I just got an AP bridge
notification in my timeline. So it's it's working for some shows
and not others. I'm getting distracted. Sorry. Um, so he, he
built this, sourced it so you can go get it if you're a C
sharp inclined fella or or lady. And he started talking about his
new podcast app, and the way he's building the database. And
he's building it out on Azure, using Azure built in stuff like
durable functions, or what I think I forgot what they call
it, but it is hive, pod, ping, API. It is on github.com/b, M,
a, l, u, i, j, b, slash, Hive, pod, ping API. That's the link.
Okay, and he
Adam Curry: wait. Can you get that to me again? I'll put in
the show notes. Yeah,
Dave Jones: it's uh, github.com/bm, like. Bowel
movement, a, l, u, i, j, b, slash, Hive, pod, ping, a, p, i,
all one word
Unknown: that's marketing right there, baby. It is. Yeah,
Dave Jones: it fits with our standard mark. Yes, it does. So
he, um, so anyway, he started talking about his database and
stuff and his app database, and it got me, I've been have had
this idea for a while, and the idea here, he brought it back up
to me, because the our database is our biggest bottleneck. We
just basically can't We can't it can't keep up, right? The speed
required to write, the number of transactions we're trying to do
at any given time is just so high. And so the aggregators. If
you look, we have 10 aggregators. They all run.
They're all polling as many as 1000 feeds every minute. And you
imagine pushing all of that change data into one database.
What they do is they do all the stuff, and then they make the
calls to that. They aggregate all the fees, and they make the
calls to the database. And you can see this on the ver on the
screen, when you're watching them in action, they they hit a
point where they're just waiting. They're waiting for
those database rights to finish. And so it may take, it may take
20 seconds for them, or 30 seconds for them to pull those
feeds, and then it may take another minute, minute and a
half, for the database rights to finish. So it's a it's a real
bottleneck. And what I've been thinking about for a while is,
I've just been mulling this over, is pushing some of that
work database workload to the aggregators themselves. So
essentially, when, when the aggregate, when the aggregators,
when they get, when the aggregator notes they would have
a small database on them. They would when they get their list
of data, of feeds to poll, instead of just pulling over the
URL and the I and the feed ID, they would pull over the entire
record, everything about that data, everything about that
feed. Okay, then when they pull it down, so this will be
insights like SQLite, they when. So then when they do the
aggregation, they will make all the changes locally in their
local database, then package the records and push them out into a
queue, which the queue will then just line up the requests to be
streamed back into the main database. So there are basically
one queue server that will be lit that will be taking things
First In, First Out, out of the pipe, and writing those changes
back to the main database. That way the aggregators can go back
to doing they don't never have to slow down. They just they,
they rapidly handle their let's just say 1000 feeds, or 2000
feeds, get done, throw them on the queue and then move on to
the next batch. But you know that that sounds, that sounds
like you're not really solving a problem, because you're like,
Okay, well now the queue is just going to stack up. But that's
not entirely accurate, because sometimes the aggregators are
super some like, if. From run to run. So let's say I have let's
say aggregator three has 1000 feeds, and it's taken 1000 feed
chunks every minute for every minute and a half. It meant
this, this particular batch of 1000 feeds may have 400 feeds
that changed in Avenue data. The next batch may only have seven,
and if you never had to slow down for the for the first
batch, you could already be checking this the next batch,
and just adding seven more to the 400 you had a while ago is
not going to actually do it. It's not going to hurt anything.
So
Unknown: it's performance enhancement.
Dave Jones: Just It is, yeah, it's for four. It's a list, a
little blue pill for servers. And so, I mean, I feel like, I
feel like that might be a now, that's going to take some some,
some work, but I feel like that's maybe where we need to
go. And Barry asked about, he said he made a comment about
wanting to, want to hear what we're paying for stuff. And I
kind of ran the looked at the bill and our here's a couple of
highlights. Is here 100. And our overall bill last month was $722
to to Linode, 100 and I the main database VM, is 32 gigs of RAM.
And we'll see how much disk it's got. I don't remember. It's
like, it's got to have terabytes. No, it's not that
much. Actually, I think it's like, it's like 400 gigs, $192
is what that is, what that runs us for that VM. And then we've
got the main two front end API servers. Those are $24 each. So
we get two of those. I got four gigs around, like the search the
search database, the one that handles when you do when you
call search by term, that is a two gig Linode, that's like 12
bucks. Block Storage only knows expensive. It's like 10, $10 for
100 gigs. So we've got $50
Adam Curry: we have a Cloud Flare
Unknown: bill as well. Yeah,
Dave Jones: that's $95 a month. Oh, that's not bad. So that's
like, well, they used to be cheaper, but then we had to do
the the custom certificate, yeah, our V for V lightning
thing that that tracks all the lightning nodes off the of all
the lightning transactions and handles boosts and all that kind
of stuff. That's, that's like eight gig and eight gig VM,
that's 48 bucks a month. Well, diversion, surge, I
Adam Curry: forget we pay for voltage. I think I'm still
paying for them. I still pay for it.
Dave Jones: And now, like 150 Yeah, we paid for it with
Bitcoin last time,
Adam Curry: yeah, when we started it up. But I think we're
paying for I don't know. I should look at my car. I might,
I might be paying for it. I don't know. We'll figure it
Dave Jones: out. The person search node is, is a four gig.
That's actually a pretty heavy search function, and it's $24 a
month. So anyway, that's, it's like roughly $12 for each
aggregator node. There's 10 of those $120 so it's around $700 a
month right now and then. So that he was just curious about
that. He was thinking he may be able to get a cheap figure out.
Do it cheaper on Azure or
Adam Curry: something? So, yeah, speaking of of pod ping, I had
an interesting call this week. Yes, there was another one
forgot about it with clicks, clicks, tv.com, C, l, I x tv.com
then clicks TV they if you've ever checked into a hotel room
in the United States, their channel guide is in 600 million
hotel rooms. Then if you go to clicks tv.com c l, I xtv.com
you'll see they have a carousel. Are you looking at it?
Dave Jones: I am. It's spinning. Yeah, it's spinning mesmerized.
Yes,
Adam Curry: it'll make you dizzy. So they're their next
move. They have an app, and the concept behind their app is you
turn on the TV in the hotel room. You're like, you know, I
don't want to have to log into Hulu. Don't want to have to log
into Netflix. I want to do all this stuff. So you scroll
through, you use their carousel. You say, Oh, that looks
interesting. And then you stop. And it gives you a QR code. You
scan that with your phone, and then you screencast from your
phone to the TV, which is actually a very pretty cool
idea, because I've had that myself. It's like, how do I log
in, you know, to my Netflix, and this button, you know, how do I
stop it? How do you know, it makes you anxious. Yeah, and
they called me and said we'd kind of like to talk about
putting podcasts in there from the index. Go for it. And then I
showed them the tiles, dot pod, ping.org, they lost their crap
over that, really? And if you look at tiles, dot pod,
ping.org, it's cool.
Dave Jones: That's, that's Brian's thing, right?
Adam Curry: And, yeah, it's like the ultimate discovery
mechanism. Because I'll just look at it now and I'm waiting
for it to load. I've got and stuff is just flying through,
right thriving alcohol free scoop, the podcast and the
Empire podcast, the spandex
Dave Jones: and wine podcast, yes, that's Korean, please.
Adam Curry: You know, it's just just all kinds of cool stuff
popping in here all the time, and I'll look at this from time.
Then let me just check this podcast out, which, of course,
should be tied to episodes.fm. Just saying, and they and so
we'll be, we'll be talking in a couple weeks there, I think that
with the Chief Marketing Officer and the Chief Technology
Officer, and that could be a pretty nice discovery mechanism
for podcasts. That'd
Dave Jones: be great. That's cool. I mean, hey, let me if, if
Lipson did nothing else, if they just implemented podcasting,
Adam Curry: yeah, wow, wouldn't that be awesome.
Dave Jones: I would shut up and go away. Yeah, honestly, I would
never talk about it again. I would be so happy. And it's so
easy, it's so simple, and they already have the keys because I
sent them.
Unknown: Yeah, that was Yeah. That would be nice.
Dave Jones: This is that's pretty neat. Pod ping is an
underappreciated resource. Definitely.
Adam Curry: I want to make my call out again, please consider
implementing the funding tag in your apps. Yes, call it donate,
something like that. Don't Don't worry about what it's called as
a tag. But give me a donate button so I can send people to
your apps and they can support my show by just tapping on that
button in app. It's a big deal.
Dave Jones: Can we talk about the location tag for a second?
Oh, I've
Adam Curry: been waiting.
Dave Jones: So the location tag is come up before that.
Obviously the location tag is meant to specify what the
podcast is about. So this is a podcast about Austin, Texas
Adam Curry: or but we know how it's now OPT. Isn't there an
option now? Well, so that's
Dave Jones: what I was going to bring up. I don't I think it
came up once before that, the location tag we talked about
having an option or optional attribute that says this is not
what it's about. This is where it's from. Show is yes, yes, but
I don't remember where we left that.
Adam Curry: What I remember is James rescinded after trying to
convince everybody that it was purely meant to be what it's
about. And I remember him on, I think, pod news weekly review
weeks ago, saying, Okay, this should be an option. So you can
say this is where it's from, which I think would be handy,
honestly.
Dave Jones: Okay, so that, so what I was hearing was maybe
just a discussion about it on, maybe on, on power. Apply news,
weekly review, yes,
Unknown: gotcha, power, power, power, yeah. I
Dave Jones: mean, that's okay. So if that's if there was never,
I was thinking there was a GitHub issue about it, but maybe
not. Look, this is all just an ulterior motive on my part,
because what really, what I really want to do is not have to
search GitHub. And if I say it this way, then so the link in
the boardroom,
Adam Curry: yes, I get it. I think having it by having the
option to have it from, this is where it's from, would be very
important. I
Dave Jones: think so too, yeah, and I think it's actually a big
deal, particularly podcasting is going to be local.
Adam Curry: Yes, thank you. You. You took the words out of my
mouth. Podcasting is going
Dave Jones: to be local. We need to have a way to find the local
shows. Yes, and I will, and I have, I fully intend to put a
local podcast search into the index. Nice. So. That we can
find those local shows so that I can say, I want all the show. I
want to see a list of shows from Birmingham, Alabama, now if it's
not appropriate, see, here's the thing, like, if it's not
appropriate to your show, if your show, if you do, if I live
in Birmingham, Alabama, and I do, and I do a podcast about um,
milk, Yosemite milk, yes. Can I do a an all milk podcast? Yes?
Then I'm not gonna put the location tag in there. No, I
don't care, you know. Or if I have a podcast where I'm just
playing the guitar, I'm not gonna put Birmingham, Alabama in
there just for my guitar lessons. I mean, like, that's
just not appropriate. So I don't think it's gonna pollute things
to do this. You just have to, you know, you have to just be,
you have to just say, All right, well, this is a show that needs
that I want to be findable in this way. Yeah. I like it. Just
like you, yeah, just like you do. When you put your person tag
in there, you put your person tag in your in your podcast,
you're saying, I want to be findable that way. I like it. I
mean, I guess, what do we have? What do we have to keep eyeball
in the boardroom? And Nathan hasn't popped up with a link to
GitHub, yeah, very long, very disappointing
Adam Curry: boardroom. Hey, wake up. You know, with this one guy
in the boardroom who's his eyes are just closed, and he's
sitting there silently, you know, he's sleeping, and he
goes, say, isn't that right? Nathan,
Dave Jones: yeah, yeah, that's right. Adam,
Adam Curry: got to turn down the air conditioning keep everybody
awake.
Dave Jones: Let's be honest, people, always people. People
nod off when I talk about databases,
Adam Curry: I tased my nuts while you're doing that. Funny
enough. Funny enough. Hold on a second. It's the clicks TV. Let
me do it again because I didn't want to say, because I was
bringing up the website, and if you click on something, then all
of a sudden, it gave me that taser. So let me see if I can
recreate. There it is.
Dave Jones: It sounded like, it sounded like a, you know, you
were, like, lighting up a stogie or something.
Adam Curry: It was. It's some interface widget they have. Last
thing I have on my list is the UMA,
Dave Jones: which universal money address? Yes,
Adam Curry: have you looked into this? I know you were reading
it, so I'm curious what you what you learned? What are you
learning? Dave,
Dave Jones: I read the website, and can I just bitch for a
second?
Unknown: Oh, baby, hold on a second. And now another bitch
from the box. Bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch.
Dave Jones: You deserve. You choked. Yourself choked.
Adam Curry: Yes,
Dave Jones: can. It really annoys me when specifications
and things are written and and people develop an an a website
for a spec, and then they spend the entire, like, 10 pages of
material you're trying to get to the actual spec show, show me
the code Marketing, yeah, yes, and it's just marketing
terminology over and over and over that drives me up the wall.
I'm like, I don't care about your marketing. I just need to
know what this thing actually does. What is it? Please.
Somebody tell me what this is. So my understanding of the UMA
thing is that it looks like an email address, but it's sort of
delineated by a by $1 sign, or, you know, in front of by dollar
sign, in front of the name, portion of the email Address,
look alike thing to denote that it is a uma, universal money
address.
Adam Curry: Oh, that's the whole thing,
Dave Jones: yeah, but then, but it uma uses lightning on the
back end, uma is meant to be a sort of interface into
lightning. But I can't, I haven't gotten any farther than
that. I mean, it's, well,
Adam Curry: Alex Gates was saying he showed me this part of
the code. I think it's called vast. So there's some
verification that the provider of the the money transmission is
an approved, like, money transmitter, or some, some crap
like that.
Dave Jones: I know I think you're that's light spark stuff.
Oh, he
Unknown: was leaking to light sparks. Oh, all right, all
right, this.
Dave Jones: But my understanding, the best I can
tell, is that this is basically a lightning address, but it's
meant to be used by financial institutions. Lines.
Adam Curry: Okay? So it does, so it does have a compliance
element to it. Eric PP saying, as is ln, URL pay with
compliance added.
Dave Jones: Yeah, right. It's pretty much the exact same thing
as a lightning address, but it's meant to be used by banks so
they can layer on their compliance. And then this, you
know, so, like, in the same way that you have, like a cash was a
cash tag, like, in a cat in cash, yeah, or a strike username
in straight and they all the, all these things look like email
addresses, kind of, yeah, I think this is supposed to be the
standardized version of that thing for financial
institutions. But there's a lot of marketing, lot of marketing.
That's
Adam Curry: what I said. That's what I said. Looks like great
marketing. That's all I could read from it. I'm like, All
right. Marketing looks okay. Like
Dave Jones: at the bottom of the page, it says, reserve your uma
with one of these companies
Unknown: today. Oh, yeah. Okay, well enough said,
Dave Jones: and I can't find, don't see us anywhere on there,
which is, you know, kind of weird. I mean, UK zapo Bank, the
first Bitcoin enabled bank to fully integrate traditional
finance with crypto. Yeah, I don't know crypto, crypto,
crypto, hey, if it works, we'll figure it out. Yeah, but how
Adam Curry: about we? Thank some people? Oh, yeah, I guess we
could do that. Yeah, we're getting towards that time. Heard
a lot of boosts come in.
Unknown: Oh, okay,
Adam Curry: here is Sam. I'm going to think that Sam Sethi,
1000 sets, we want to implement the location from option and
link it to Google Maps. This was the discussion James and I had
on power, okay, okay, that'll work. That'll work, yep. And he
says, Thank you. You know why go podcasting? Go podcasting.
Unknown: Okay, welcome Sam.
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That's right,
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Okay, that
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Adam Curry: that you remember, we had that call with the CEO of
TuneIn. Remember that, that jamok?
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, that wasn't the CEO. That was the
CEO, somebody else, some
Adam Curry: CC suite, something the CSO is a chief. Yeah, right.
And, and, you know, man, that was how we haven't used the
index, and we would have to get business insurance.
Unknown: Yeah, remember that? Yeah. And the guy, then the guy
Adam Curry: dried up and blew away.
Dave Jones: Made us go get business insurance, and then he
never did anything. Yeah, so make any money off of it. It was
like, anyone has to sign. We had to go through all this back and
forth with like red, red marking up and redlining our, oh God,
like service and all this stuff. And they were like, we, we need
a separate terms of service for just for us. And we were like,
No, we're
Adam Curry: not, no, we're not doing that. So, but then he had
put no agenda into the tune in database, so I, I'd like that
show, and it's you, so I'm going to put it in there so I get
emails from people. Hey, you know, I was listening to no
agenda. I pulled it up on TuneIn, and there were two ads
before it.
Dave Jones: And oh yeah, I signed
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Unknown: What links lives in with POD page.
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answer?
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No.
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Dave Jones: no. Beautiful.
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2.0 or add another tag, unless Apple do they have Dave Jackson,
who knows about podcasting two point 2.0 and he left as Rob
wanted nothing to do with podcasting 2.0 what has changed
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Unknown: Really, did they? What do you mean? They
Adam Curry: don't care.
Dave Jones: I think they care. They didn't. Maybe they didn't
promote it, I
Unknown: don't know. Maybe
Adam Curry: D's laughs, I
Dave Jones: did see something about cereal season four, like
the creator of it, or the producer of it, yeah, said that
her own family didn't even know that it had been released. There
Adam Curry: you go. There's a lot of true crime these days.
Sure is 777, from D's laughs it. I'm glad to be on time for the
board meeting for once. Thank you. Chad f2 777, boosts. Salty
crayon. Oh, this is all pre the pre stream. I play songs before
the show starts, before you get here. 33 333. For Luke wood,
Devil's hands. Sarah Jade, 1000 SATs from Chadha for Sarah Jade
on the priest room I played the door, fulls. Another 1000 SATs.
Salty crayon, 555, the row of swans boosting diamonds by the
door. Fulls. Salty crayon, pew, pew. And what is this? Salty
crayon, 1776 Happy Labor Day weekend. Boardroom, is it Labor
Day weekend? I guess it is it. Is it is Adam. I know this is
breaking the rules, but that podcasting kit would be a good
pitch towards the people that live stream. Emily Whitehurst of
of survival guide, that's a value verse artist, for example,
live streams for music three times a week on Twitch, if you
have a great mic that not only sounds great but looks awesome
on camera, you have another whole niche of people that would
buy it, especially if anyone can get their hands on it. Just a
thought in the pipe, go podcasting.
Dave Jones: Yeah. So how is the curry one gonna be a is it gonna
be a beautiful mic to look at? Oh,
Adam Curry: it's gonna be so beautiful. Okay, yes. Now it's a
spitter. That's a when you talk into the two. But we're also
going to do a valve mic. That'll be a side talker has a whole
strategy.
Dave Jones: I split the See, I split the difference. I'm not
straight on, but I'm not all the way to the side. I'm like, at a
45 aiming at me side of my mouth, hook, tall. What do they
call it? I'm
Adam Curry: gonna call it the hook, tall one. Yes,
Unknown: the hooked. Yes.
Adam Curry: I got you faxes, yes, right? And we hit the
delimiter so you're up.
Dave Jones: We got Chris bernardich. Chris did a $5 a
month subscription to. Nice. Thank you, Chris. I appreciate
Adam Curry: that. Brother. Very cool.
Dave Jones: And that is all the one offs. Wow.
Unknown: Okay, wow. Yeah, we're
Dave Jones: really tearing it up. See, let me resort this by
oldest to newest so I can have my sanity, and we'll do some
booths. So Brown of London, 11, 948, to cast O Matic,
Unknown: nice episodes.fm.
Dave Jones: Should not use the should not use the GUID, because
that would mean actually putting in some effort to look it up.
Instead you base 64 the RSS Feed URL straight from a pod ping,
because you can make it sound like you're solving a cryptic
puzzle from an ancient civilization.
Adam Curry: Okay. Just tell me. How is this working? How is it
happening? How is he doing it? Doing, what
Unknown: the lookups the he's
Adam Curry: not you, so he's not using GUIDs. He's using
Dave Jones: no because then, then, you know, he's not using a
good because you have, he's you. You don't have to do the res,
the resolving. You can just do it on the fly with and it
doesn't really matter for that type of service, because he's
not trying to find a canonical show like in a way that links
things together. So for a service like that, all that
matters is you only need the feed URL you don't know, okay,
like, resolve it back to a thing and you
Adam Curry: base 64 encode it, just to get rid of all the
slashes, yeah,
Dave Jones: right, yeah. Like, you are URL encode. It's URL
safe, base 64 encoding. Yeah, wow, sexy, yeah. Oh, it's nice,
uh, Mere Mortals. Kyron through the fountain app. He says, Great
song. Heard it on podcasting 2.0 V for v is the future. That's
right.
Unknown: You got that straight.
Dave Jones: McDermott 622, 22 through true fans. McDermott six
says, wanted to boost yesterday while listening at the beach,
but didn't have any service, so listening. So listened on a 1.0
app that had downloaded it already. Thanks for everything
you guys do.
Unknown: Got it, it happens.
Dave Jones: It gave us the one two punch. 1212 Yeah. G
anonymous, 3400 SATs through fountain. No note, thank you. G
anonymous, appreciate that salty crayon. Happy Labor Day,
weekend, boardroom, did you already get this? I
Adam Curry: think I did. Yeah,
Dave Jones: that was you must have. Well, that was really
early. That was really Yeah, you must
Adam Curry: have comic strip. Blogger. Next.
Dave Jones: Did you do see? You did chat if I miss not seeing
all my PC, 2.0 friends.
Unknown: I don't think I read that one. No,
Dave Jones: I'm confused as to the Order, order of operations
here. Oh, this is okay, 24 Okay, guys, I see where I'm at. Chad.
S is 3333 through fountain. He says I miss not seeing all my PC
2.0 and no agenda, friends. Now that fountain added noster. I
know, I know it will get fixed, but even during beta testing, I
was still using the pre noster version, so I could see what
people were saying about what they were listening to. But now
it's just noster bros. So sad face. So I
Adam Curry: so it turns out I think that you can zap a show
from nostr and then the splits are handled by
Unknown: fountain somehow.
Adam Curry: So it splits it up,
Dave Jones: I don't know not, uh, so Oscar said that they have
a crash bug in their audio engine and, and I've seen that
for sure, of not, uh, fountains been crashing like, oh,
Adam Curry: any problems? I have no problems with the new
fountain. Works fine,
Dave Jones: interesting. It it has crap. Maybe it's because I'm
on test flight. Well, I'm
Adam Curry: on Android, so who knows what you're using compared
to
Dave Jones: maybe so because my my fountain has been like, it's
been crashing in the background just by waking up and doing
background checks. Oh, that sucks. I've been waiting for. He
said he thinks they got it fixed and they're about to push out
Adam Curry: a fix. Yeah, no, when I say, I hate that. I hate
it for Oscar, because that's sucky bug to have, yeah.
Dave Jones: So I hope to get a little bit more experience with
what he's done here soon so I can talk intelligently about it.
Gene bean, 2222 through cast O Matic. He says, I wonder if
maybe podcasting 2.0 the people involved, not necessarily this
show, could have a booth and a general presence at scale this
coming year. It'd be a great fit. Audience wise, HTTPS,
colon, slash, slash, www, dot social, Linux
Adam Curry: expo.org, let's send Dame Jennifer booth. Babe, yes,
you're up. Dame, Jen, you're up. Hi, have you heard about
podcasting 2.0 I'm Jen. We need a bat. She needs a badge. Hi,
I'm Jen. Ask me about podcasting 2.0
Dave Jones: in a basket full of buttons, yeah, large buttons,
yeah, and a T shirt. Cannon, walk up to the booth. It's like
you get a FA you get a cannon t shirt.
Adam Curry: Sorry, Jen, we love you. A boost. Babe, yeah, that's
right. Chad, boost. Babe,
Unknown: that's right.
Dave Jones: Pothome, 50,000 SATs. Whoa. Nice. To podcast
guru. He says, This is our This is Barry. Barry, Dutch master.
Dutch master. Barry says podhome.fm the most modern
podcast hosting company, would be honored to be included in the
podcasting starter pack. Give six months and give six months
free hosting for podcasters. Go podcast. You know, what's
Adam Curry: been amazing, hold on podcasting. Almost every
single company has reached out to me. Said, yeah, we'd love to
offer that. We'd love to be a part of the starter pack.
Unknown: That's great. Yeah, it is.
Adam Curry: You know, all varying offers. But you know,
Dvorak's telling me, shut up, stop promoting it. It's going to
take a few months, so you better have it done by Christmas, bro.
Bruh.
Unknown: Bruh,
Dave Jones: yeah, six months free hosting. That's that's
Adam Curry: pretty good. That's good. That's good. Do
Dave Jones: I hear a year to get the gauntlet has been laid
right? It
Adam Curry: has been the slap down.
Dave Jones: Gene Everett, 1234, through fountain says, noster
sucks. Not really happy seeing this, not really happy seeing
this move by fountain. Oh, well, well, give it a shot lifting.
But yeah,
Adam Curry: really give it a shot. Let's, let's see how it
shakes out, you know, and get activity, bridge, pub, bridge
and stuff. Let's see how it works out. I'm, I'm withholding
my own comment.
Dave Jones: I'm not going to say anything critical about nostr
until I get my own activity. Pub stuff fixed.
Adam Curry: Good point.
Dave Jones: That is very hypocritical. Yeah. Good point.
McDermott, six back again, 2222 says wanted to boost yesterday.
Well, it was the same boost. Why we get that twice? He double. He
did a double,
Unknown: double, double boost, yeah. Uh,
Dave Jones: Mere Mortals. Chiron, 111, satchel. Richards,
who fountain. He says the future of media is small. Yes. Thank
you. Adam, you just encapsulated my jumbled thoughts into a
simple, simple sentence, stealing this for future use
now,
Adam Curry: please. It's open source. Go for it. I'll make a
I'll make a GitHub entry. Check
Dave Jones: the GitHub repo. That's right. See, Andrew, maybe
Andrew Grumman, see, he said 2222 through the wherever app.
That's gross. Maybe it was a cigarette. Enjoyed hearing James
in the board meeting in reference to Episode 189, AP in
umbilical is intriguing. We'll have to take a look at AP,
peace,
Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Ed Grumman on the case. Careful, everybody.
That guy invents stuff.
Dave Jones: Kyron again, through mere mortals. Podcast, through
fountain, 1111, he says, No. Meetings is the secret to a good
life. We've been we've been misled by eight hours of sleep,
clean, food, outdoors, exercise and a loving family, yeah,
Unknown: yes, yes, yes,
Dave Jones: let's see I lost my play. Oh, Chris, last here we
go. Chris from Jupiter, from Jupiter, broadcasting 20,000
Adam Curry: sets the fountain. Hey, nice. Thank you, Chris,
Dave Jones: he says, sending a little love from the new
fountain update. Well, thank you, Chris, appreciate that
Unknown: nice,
Adam Curry: great show this week in Bitcoin. I love that show,
Dave Jones: yeah. Everything he does is high quality, yeah, it
is.
Adam Curry: I hope people boost him. Boost him. Keep that show
alive. People
Dave Jones: comment straight. Blogger delimiter, 26,000 SAS
fountain, he says, howdy, Bitcoin bros Adam and Dave. This
time, I'd like to recommend a financial podcast from
www.dhunplugged.com by my Slavic bro, Dvorak and his Jewish
friend from Florida, financial advisor Andrew Horowitz. Yo,
sincerely, your fellow Bitcoin bro. CSB, PS Adam, could you
tell your podcast bro Dvorak to implement at least one
podcasting 2.0 feature transcripts? It's vital because
of LLM revolution.
Adam Curry: Okay, I have actually reached out to
Horowitz, and he's on he's on a trip right now, and then I'll be
on a trip next week, and we get back together, and I'm gonna see
if I can help him get some 2.0 features
Dave Jones: going into DH en Bloo, yeah, of course. Can they
start by just getting off Feedburner?
Adam Curry: I think he's off feed burner. He said that he was
off feed burner.
Dave Jones: Let me just check right yeah, I'm gonna check
right now.
Adam Curry: Just check right now. Let's see, yep, you got it?
You going in? Delving in? Are
Unknown: you doing going in February? Select this.
Dave Jones: Select asterisk from feeds, where equal let's see
DHM, plug.com/feed, that looks. Like it goes to power press. No,
Unknown: there
Adam Curry: you go. Yeah,
Dave Jones: you did it. He did it successfully. If they got, if
they got power press,
Adam Curry: then he's good to go. He's
Unknown: got the namespace. He's got everything in there. What's
Adam Curry: wrong with you? Horowitz,
Dave Jones: hey, wait a second. Look at this. I'm looking at
this feed right now. Let me, let me just give you a rundown. Oh
boy, the DH unplugged feed has, and I quote from the feed,
Unknown: the feed,
Dave Jones: podcast colon license tag, podcast, podcast
colon medium, oh, podcast colon, pod ping uses pod ping equal
true, where the items I'm looking, looking for items. He's
got, they got a lot of 2.0 tags in here now. Oh, okay,
Unknown: well, that's good, yeah, uh,
Dave Jones: Podcast, episode tag, podcast GUID, oh, man,
they're fully they're 2.0 complying all the way
Adam Curry: down. But he doesn't have a transcript yet, though,
Unknown: negative, okay, yeah,
Dave Jones: okay. It doesn't have the useful ones, just the
ones.
Adam Curry: But hey, it's the start. Uh, good, good, good,
good, good. Okay, I'll be talking to him. We'll take he's
even got
Dave Jones: the podcast license tag 20. The podcast license that
he's declared is 2022 plus. Don't know what that means,
okay,
Unknown: but he's good to go.
Dave Jones: We'll get there. Baby steps, yeah, monthly, okay?
Michael Kimmerer, $5.33 Thank you trip. Scott, $15 thank you.
Pedro gun calvis, $5 and that's our group.
Adam Curry: Uh, thank you all very much for supporting the
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Unknown: Yep, that would be the idea.
Adam Curry: All right, so I'm off to Mexico on Monday, and
then Friday, I will be doing a board meeting. What are you
doing this weekend?
Dave Jones: Brother? See, it's Labor Day weekend. I've got to
put a radiator in my daughter's Nissan. Oh,
Adam Curry: sexy, nice.
Dave Jones: Oh, let me tell you what I let me tell you what I
did. You'll
Adam Curry: be wrenching. You'll be wrenching this weekend.
Dave Jones: So this is, this is how I consistently shoot myself
in the foot last Sunday. And she brought it over to do for me. To
do an oil change. Change the oil. Things look great. Checked
her radiator fluids a little low, top that off. And then,
when I was crawling up under there to put the to put the oil
filter in, I noticed that the bumper, her front bumper, was,
this is like a 2008 Nissan Xterra. Yeah, the front bumper
had a has some screw holes with screws were missing. So it was
not, it was kind of flopping around
Unknown: like a jalopy. You got a jalopy?
Dave Jones: I'm like, hey, if she wants a nice car she bought
or something. So I'm like, so I'm like, I just, you know, it
didn't look bad. You just kind of just kind of, I'll just, I'll
just put a screw
Adam Curry: in there. Yeah, yeah, exactly what I thought to
the radiator,
Dave Jones: didn't you? And I put three screws at the bottom
of the radiator.
Unknown: Good work.
Dave Jones: So she calls me the next day. She's like, man, Dad,
my car's overheating. I don't know what's going on. I get
there, and I'm like, I was like, Oh man, that's weird. So I'm
like, it's low on fluid, so I start pouring fluid in, and came
right back.
Adam Curry: So where did you get the radio? You pick up a second
hand radiator. You bought one on Amazon. How does that work? No,
my
Dave Jones: dad works for Napa. Oh, nice.
Adam Curry: Oh, very good. Very good. Yeah, you gotta, you got a
family member in the biz. Love
Dave Jones: it. So now I gotta fix the problem that I created
for myself. Yay. All right, everybody.
Adam Curry: That's what we do here. We fix the problems we
create for ourselves. It is podcasting 2.0 we are the
official board meeting of podcasting. 2.0 Thank you,
boardroom. You guys were great today. We'll see you next
Friday, right here on podcasting 2.0 you
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