1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,980 Adam Curry: Podcasting 2.0 for September 27 2024 episode 195, 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:11,820 Grant pipe, hello everybody. Welcome once again to podcasting 3 00:00:11,820 --> 00:00:17,340 2.0 when it's podcasting 2.0 you know, it's a Friday, usually it 4 00:00:17,340 --> 00:00:20,780 is time once again to talk about podcasting. Everything going on, 5 00:00:20,780 --> 00:00:23,780 the past, the present, and, of course, the future. This is the 6 00:00:23,780 --> 00:00:27,320 boardroom, and we are the only boardroom that doesn't shut down 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,500 companies we acquire. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the 8 00:00:30,500 --> 00:00:34,280 Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the man who ensures we 9 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,940 will never succumb to entropy. Say hello to my friend on the 10 00:00:37,940 --> 00:00:40,600 other end, Mr. Dave Jones, 11 00:00:42,700 --> 00:00:44,920 Dave Jones: the next company we acquire will be the first 12 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,940 company that we acquire. I wonder if any company out there, 13 00:00:48,940 --> 00:00:51,280 the only way we could acquire a company is if they would take 14 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,100 like stock, like credit, credit. 15 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,240 Adam Curry: Do you take credit? Visa debit, 16 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,360 Dave Jones: like Zelensky, like crazy. 17 00:01:03,540 --> 00:01:05,820 Adam Curry: I just want some credit, man, just give me some 18 00:01:05,820 --> 00:01:10,200 credit for some bumps. Yeah, yes, yeah. All right, everybody, 19 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,260 it is time once again for the board meeting. I am ready. I'm 20 00:01:13,260 --> 00:01:16,740 very excited, excited to talk to you. We never talk Dave and I 21 00:01:16,740 --> 00:01:21,380 only talk on Fridays. Pretty much, pretty much, sometimes, 22 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:26,120 yes, sometimes a weekly call. But how 23 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,280 Dave Jones: you doing the last couple of weeks have been we've 24 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:29,660 had a bunch of calls with people. 25 00:01:29,660 --> 00:01:35,300 Adam Curry: Oh, man, we don't like it. I don't, I don't like 26 00:01:35,300 --> 00:01:36,980 it meetings. 27 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:38,240 Dave Jones: I mean, like meetings, 28 00:01:38,300 --> 00:01:41,440 Adam Curry: I know. I know, I know. Well, we had, we had our 29 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:47,320 follow up meeting with clicks, clicks, yes, yeah, C, l, i, x, 30 00:01:47,320 --> 00:01:50,140 yeah. Those guys might be the first company we've had a 31 00:01:50,140 --> 00:01:53,200 meeting with. They might actually integrate something. 32 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,000 What do you think? Yeah, 33 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,380 Dave Jones: I think so. And they so they were not that was a nice 34 00:01:59,380 --> 00:02:04,860 meeting, because we talked about some things for what about 2025 35 00:02:05,580 --> 00:02:11,700 minutes, and then their, I don't know your CEO president, whoever 36 00:02:11,700 --> 00:02:12,480 was, was like, Yeah, 37 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,580 Adam Curry: I think he's the CEO CEO. He 38 00:02:14,580 --> 00:02:17,100 Dave Jones: was like, All right, I think we got some good stuff 39 00:02:17,100 --> 00:02:20,100 done. So about 25 minutes, let's get, let's, let's all get off 40 00:02:20,100 --> 00:02:20,720 this call. Okay, 41 00:02:21,380 --> 00:02:23,900 Adam Curry: that was the same call I had the last time. It's 42 00:02:23,900 --> 00:02:26,960 like, 30 minutes. Like, the only guys I think I've ever talked to 43 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,260 that schedule 30 minutes and do 30 minutes. I 44 00:02:30,260 --> 00:02:33,140 Dave Jones: mean, it was not a minute over 30. And I was like, 45 00:02:33,140 --> 00:02:33,800 Yes, 46 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,520 Unknown: great. Couldn't be happier to get off that call. 47 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:38,480 Yeah, 48 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,760 Dave Jones: Ashley was, was just thinking about some stuff, and 49 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,620 then he's like, All right, time, 50 00:02:44,920 --> 00:02:47,200 Adam Curry: don't worry, Dave. Everybody saw you drifting off 51 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,640 like, Oh, we're losing Dave, time to end the meeting. He's 52 00:02:51,640 --> 00:02:55,240 the mic. Time to end the meeting. Oh, man, 53 00:02:55,540 --> 00:02:57,160 Dave Jones: I heard you on the new media show. 54 00:02:57,220 --> 00:03:00,900 Adam Curry: I had a good time on the new media. Yeah. Well, it 55 00:03:00,900 --> 00:03:05,520 was so Rob had pinged me a couple weeks ago. He says, hey. 56 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:11,520 Man, hey. Man, Rob talks just like, hey, man, do you want to 57 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,300 be on the the board of advisors for the Rio, for the rock world, 58 00:03:15,300 --> 00:03:20,960 the podcasting Hall of Fame? I'm like, no, no, 59 00:03:22,220 --> 00:03:25,280 Dave Jones: you would not in a million years. Would you ever 60 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,580 Adam Curry: do that? No, well, also, you know, you and I, we 61 00:03:28,580 --> 00:03:31,700 made our own little pact a long time ago. We're not going to be 62 00:03:31,700 --> 00:03:34,520 advisors. We're not going to take stock from anybody. We're 63 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,340 just going to be completely independent. Therefore, we're 64 00:03:37,340 --> 00:03:41,200 clean, baby. We're like, we're like, Virgin snow, we are clean. 65 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,860 I said, I can't be a part of some. It always becomes 66 00:03:44,860 --> 00:03:49,900 political, those things. And by the way, you know, outside of 67 00:03:49,900 --> 00:03:55,420 the very first award shows, and I can see the Hall of Fame, I 68 00:03:55,420 --> 00:03:58,300 mean, there's, there's a number of people who, if you want to 69 00:03:58,300 --> 00:04:01,260 have a Hall of Fame, probably belong there, but it's like the 70 00:04:01,260 --> 00:04:03,840 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I used to go to those dinners in 71 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,340 New York. Was $1,000 a plate at the Waldorf. It would be, you'd 72 00:04:08,340 --> 00:04:12,000 have Phil Spector, you'd have Mick Jagger, you'd have the 73 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:17,280 kinks, you know, just everyone dressed in tuxedos eating rubber 74 00:04:17,280 --> 00:04:21,080 chicken. Big jam at the end, with Paul Schaefer in the 75 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,840 world's most dangerous band. And everybody would get up, get up 76 00:04:23,840 --> 00:04:28,520 on stage, and then, you know, a couple years later, it's like a 77 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,300 three hour MTV special with Abba being inducted into the Rock and 78 00:04:32,300 --> 00:04:35,600 Roll Hall of Fame. It's like, no, that's what always happens. 79 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,800 You know, rock and roll started at a certain point, and you 80 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,700 know, you can only put so many people in who were there at the 81 00:04:42,700 --> 00:04:46,660 very beginning, and it's just no. And then rob comes back. He 82 00:04:46,660 --> 00:04:50,440 says, Hey, man, well then I understood. Would you like to be 83 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,340 on the new media show? That was your consolation prize. That was 84 00:04:54,340 --> 00:04:58,120 second prize. You get to talk for an hour and a half on the 85 00:04:58,120 --> 00:04:59,920 new media show. What did you hear? The whole thing? 86 00:05:00,900 --> 00:05:03,240 Dave Jones: Yeah, I'm about two thirds through it right now. 87 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:04,500 It's a good show. I like it. 88 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,660 Adam Curry: Yeah, I actually, I think the rodecaster was 89 00:05:06,660 --> 00:05:12,360 crackling. I'm not sure I didn't hear it. No, that's correct. I 90 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:16,380 listened critically, and I'm like, I rebooted it right away. 91 00:05:16,980 --> 00:05:17,520 You're 92 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,920 Dave Jones: too critical of your own audio. You're you. You 93 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,700 always have a pro some problem with your audio when nobody else 94 00:05:22,700 --> 00:05:23,720 can really, can you 95 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,360 Adam Curry: ever be too critical of the audio? Though? Can you 96 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:27,380 ever really be too 97 00:05:27,679 --> 00:05:30,739 Dave Jones: Yes, you can't. Yes, you can. Yeah, you can. Have you 98 00:05:30,739 --> 00:05:33,739 heard some of these podcasts? Yeah, yes, you can be too 99 00:05:33,739 --> 00:05:36,739 critical of your audio. Although I tell everybody, like, if you 100 00:05:36,739 --> 00:05:40,899 compare yourself, I mean, if you compare your there's a certain 101 00:05:40,899 --> 00:05:44,439 level, your audio is just completely acceptable, like, 102 00:05:44,439 --> 00:05:48,459 it's just more than adequate, yeah, but compared to it's like, 103 00:05:48,459 --> 00:05:51,399 the 20% rule or whatever, compared to the other 80% of 104 00:05:51,399 --> 00:05:54,219 everything out there, it's like, yeah, a relief to hear your 105 00:05:54,219 --> 00:05:54,579 show. 106 00:05:54,639 --> 00:05:56,739 Adam Curry: Well, I always like it when I hear people saying 107 00:05:56,739 --> 00:05:59,859 that I've ruined other podcasts for them, but I always take 108 00:05:59,859 --> 00:06:02,579 great pride in that, like, I can't listen to these other 109 00:06:02,579 --> 00:06:06,659 podcasts. You've Rowan debt. Yeah, I totally agree. But 110 00:06:06,659 --> 00:06:10,319 luckily, and I will say this, even though I'm not a fan of it, 111 00:06:10,319 --> 00:06:13,439 but I think it's good that many podcast apps have some kind of 112 00:06:13,439 --> 00:06:18,299 processing in it, you know, so that you can, you know, equalize 113 00:06:18,299 --> 00:06:22,279 the levels a little bit and make it sound better, which is, to be 114 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,339 fair, it's what we had on our stereos, our towers. Back in the 115 00:06:25,339 --> 00:06:29,359 day, we had treble and bass, you know. And if 116 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,400 Dave Jones: you're Neff said, if you want bad audio, listen to a 117 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:32,480 Bitcoin podcast, that 118 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,720 Adam Curry: is definitely true. I got a sweet email from this 119 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,680 guy. He's in Austin, actually, and he's doing a sports podcast 120 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:44,320 video, and it's four guys, and I'm like, whole, and he's like, 121 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,540 you know, and he gave me his gear. Let's say, could you 122 00:06:46,540 --> 00:06:49,420 please help me? Trey is his name. Can you please help me? I 123 00:06:49,420 --> 00:06:52,840 can't get it to sound right, and I tune into this thing. This got 124 00:06:52,840 --> 00:06:55,720 like, four different mics. He's running a Mackie board, and only 125 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,620 two have compressors on them. So one mic is, like, totally, 126 00:07:01,660 --> 00:07:05,040 completely over modulated. The other guys, the other guys are 127 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,580 coming in through that mic. I'm like, Man, do you have a budget? 128 00:07:08,580 --> 00:07:11,520 Because we got to get you something else. And actually, I 129 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,860 said, if you got two, she said, Why should I get the rodecaster 130 00:07:13,860 --> 00:07:17,220 Pro? Like, you know, it's a little overkill for what you're 131 00:07:17,220 --> 00:07:21,440 doing, but for the same cost, you could get two audio sigma 132 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:26,420 pod mobiles. They will solve your problems. I've been hearing 133 00:07:26,780 --> 00:07:32,780 people use the pod mobile and man, especially in a boomy room 134 00:07:32,780 --> 00:07:37,160 or a kind of a rough environment, it really, really 135 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,920 does the business. I am so proud of Fernando. 136 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,540 Dave Jones: Would you say now, would you go as far as to say 137 00:07:43,540 --> 00:07:46,360 that the audio quality you get out of the out of those are 138 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:47,440 better than the road cast? 139 00:07:47,439 --> 00:07:52,119 Adam Curry: Yes, yes, wow. The microphone processing, yeah, and 140 00:07:52,119 --> 00:07:55,479 it's simple. It's simpler. You have a lot now that I can't 141 00:07:55,479 --> 00:08:01,799 really use it, because I have to be able to process Dvorak, or 142 00:08:01,799 --> 00:08:05,339 you coming back in, and it doesn't allow it doesn't have 143 00:08:05,339 --> 00:08:05,519 that 144 00:08:05,519 --> 00:08:08,159 Unknown: functionality. It doesn't have the extra audio 145 00:08:08,159 --> 00:08:10,439 interface. It does have the 146 00:08:10,439 --> 00:08:11,939 Adam Curry: extra audio interface, but there's no 147 00:08:11,939 --> 00:08:16,859 processing on it, so And honestly, you know, most people 148 00:08:16,859 --> 00:08:20,899 won't want to do that for interview situations. It works 149 00:08:20,899 --> 00:08:25,399 just fine. And maybe in a future version you can put that in, but 150 00:08:25,579 --> 00:08:28,819 it doesn't matter. I mean, for just two people doing a podcast, 151 00:08:28,819 --> 00:08:31,699 or if you connect two of them together, because you can link 152 00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:35,719 them, you can do four people. I mean, I would go with that time 153 00:08:35,719 --> 00:08:40,299 after time and I and even though I was tempted, I will not be 154 00:08:40,299 --> 00:08:42,399 buying the rodecaster. Video, 155 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,360 Dave Jones: well, you were tempted for that, wow, from 156 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,480 Adam Curry: a gear perspective, yeah, just because the gear, the 157 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:49,720 gear 158 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,400 Dave Jones: flood and you wanted it, yeah, because it 159 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,440 Adam Curry: came out, I immediately got the manual and 160 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:57,400 read it in bed, and I'm reading like, Oh, man. I was like, if, 161 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,900 if I were to build this, this is exactly what I would build. It's 162 00:09:00,900 --> 00:09:03,600 Dave Jones: things you read in bed, yes, not wearing the things 163 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:04,080 I thought of. 164 00:09:05,820 --> 00:09:08,160 Adam Curry: It's very high on my list. I'm zooming in on 165 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,280 diagrams. Like, okay, so this is how that works. I thought, you 166 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,040 know, well maybe. And then I'm like, What am I doing? I'm 167 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:18,180 getting sucked in. Go to sleep. Then I just know, oh, I'm about 168 00:09:18,180 --> 00:09:23,000 to get cameras and lights. And what am I thinking? No, no, no, 169 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,820 no. That's like I could do the no agenda. Oh, but not to do 170 00:09:25,820 --> 00:09:30,200 clips, not to do video. No, no. It's just not worth it. Although 171 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:35,600 the gear itself is nice. I mean, it's a nice piece of kit, and I 172 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,320 don't think 1199 is too much for what they're offering. Oh, 173 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,940 Dave Jones: no, I'm sure that that seems I mean, in that 174 00:09:42,940 --> 00:09:45,580 market, when you get in the video market, everything gets so 175 00:09:45,580 --> 00:09:48,160 much more expensive anyway, yeah. I mean, I guess they're 176 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,860 probably going up against things like the Tricaster and stuff, 177 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:51,160 yeah, 178 00:09:51,219 --> 00:09:53,199 Adam Curry: oh, they'll, they blow all of that out of the 179 00:09:53,199 --> 00:09:57,579 water. I mean, I haven't kept up with everything, but we're far, 180 00:09:57,639 --> 00:10:01,859 far from the days of the. You got Video Toaster, my friend, 181 00:10:02,700 --> 00:10:06,180 Dave Jones: remember that? I mean, yeah, oh, yeah. Video is 182 00:10:06,180 --> 00:10:11,040 all great until you forget that your camera's on and you pick 183 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,680 your nose then, then 184 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,740 Adam Curry: there's that. Now, I love, I love audio so much I 185 00:10:19,740 --> 00:10:24,320 really do. It's, it's the best, it's the easiest, you know. So 186 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,840 anyway, that's all. We had a good time on the new media show. 187 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:32,300 I thought we had some good chats about about podcasting 2.0 and, 188 00:10:32,420 --> 00:10:35,720 you know, I did my little spiel about value for value and told 189 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,900 people that about the no agenda show, which will be celebrating 190 00:10:38,900 --> 00:10:47,440 1700 episodes next Thursday, and 17 years, 17 years, and we never 191 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:53,320 had a fight in October, october 26 I think 17 years. 192 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,720 Dave Jones: That's how so one thing you said during it was fun 193 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,880 to hear you kind of go over some of the the history of no agenda, 194 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:09,000 I think I started listening to no agenda. It was early. It was 195 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:14,040 maybe, it was in the hundreds. It was maybe episode. Oh, really 196 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,880 that early, huh? Yeah, very early. It was maybe, maybe 150 197 00:11:20,460 --> 00:11:22,880 Adam Curry: How did you find, how did you Oh, we already knew 198 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,580 each other, I guess, through, through the Weiner projects. 199 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:31,040 Dave Jones: Yeah, well, when the Weiner project started, I had 200 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,040 already, I think I became a listener, and then immediately 201 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:38,000 dove into the Weiner project. So it was, I think that's roughly 202 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,500 with like that was those were concomitant with each other. I 203 00:11:41,500 --> 00:11:45,220 think it was in the it was in the hundreds somewhere. But I 204 00:11:45,220 --> 00:11:49,660 think, I think I came over from, from one of the Twitch shows 205 00:11:49,660 --> 00:11:50,200 just because 206 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,740 Adam Curry: of war act. Yeah, that tweet is on its last legs. 207 00:11:53,740 --> 00:11:56,740 Man, no, it's, it's on its last legs. 208 00:11:57,820 --> 00:12:02,520 Dave Jones: I was there for a lot of the history of it. When, 209 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,260 when did you move to LA? 210 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:05,580 Unknown: Myself, not 211 00:12:05,580 --> 00:12:06,960 Dave Jones: LA, my second wife, 212 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:14,940 Adam Curry: first for time frame, yes, first wife, second 213 00:12:14,940 --> 00:12:15,720 wife. Okay, 214 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,960 Dave Jones: it was around that time. Oh, well, let's 215 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:27,320 Adam Curry: see, I moved to LA in 2008 No, 2000 Yeah. In that 216 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,780 time frame, 2000 Yeah. It must have been in the hundreds, 2008 217 00:12:30,260 --> 00:12:32,720 when people were sending me free bitcoin 218 00:12:34,340 --> 00:12:36,680 Unknown: and saying, This has a future. Adam, 219 00:12:37,460 --> 00:12:40,780 Dave Jones: I had been I'd been listening for a while. I'd been 220 00:12:40,780 --> 00:12:45,100 listening for a while already, and by the time the episode hit, 221 00:12:45,100 --> 00:12:49,480 where you were interviewed about Michael Jackson on like C CBS or 222 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:50,740 something 223 00:12:50,740 --> 00:12:54,040 Adam Curry: CNBC, that was legend. That was legendary. 224 00:12:54,039 --> 00:12:55,839 Dave Jones: I don't remember what whatever year that was. 225 00:12:55,839 --> 00:12:58,059 I've been listening for about a year at that point. 226 00:12:58,059 --> 00:13:04,799 Adam Curry: Let me see, I think I have. I it was, let me see, 227 00:13:04,859 --> 00:13:07,679 oh, this is actually, have that clip. You want to hear that 228 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,919 clip? Yeah, it was cut you off, right? Yeah. Does Michael 229 00:13:10,919 --> 00:13:14,999 Jackson die? Yes. Then it hung up on me. Michael Jackson died, 230 00:13:14,999 --> 00:13:18,659 and they called me for some unknown reason, like, oh, let's 231 00:13:18,659 --> 00:13:21,499 get that MTV guy on. I mean, there seems to be an insatiable 232 00:13:21,499 --> 00:13:24,319 appetite for this. Yes, absolutely. 233 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,660 Unknown: And I'm amazed you're showing the footage, and 234 00:13:26,660 --> 00:13:29,240 everyone seems to be showing the footage of these rehearsals just 235 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,720 two days before. Here's a guy who clearly was in great 236 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:38,540 physical shape. He had 3040, concerts coming up in the o2 237 00:13:38,780 --> 00:13:42,580 Arena in London. That's a huge production. You have to be 238 00:13:42,580 --> 00:13:45,580 preparing yourself a year in advance, at least physically. 239 00:13:45,580 --> 00:13:48,760 You can't put on a show like that without an enormous 240 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,420 insurance coverage, which includes a tremendous amount of 241 00:13:52,420 --> 00:13:56,140 physical testing. So I'm amazed at what happened that I know 242 00:13:56,140 --> 00:14:00,900 that there's breaking news about some form of medicinal drugs 243 00:14:00,900 --> 00:14:04,020 that were found in his home. I'm quite like family that no one is 244 00:14:04,020 --> 00:14:05,400 looking at a murder angle on this. 245 00:14:07,140 --> 00:14:08,100 Well, we shall see. 246 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,000 Dave Jones: Get rid of me. Yeah, you were dressed. They just is 247 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:15,480 like, cut. 248 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,899 Adam Curry: We're done. Yeah, I can't believe you said that. 249 00:14:18,899 --> 00:14:21,199 This man's horrible. We'll never have him back on again. 250 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,680 Dave Jones: Yeah, and you said that, and then people went to 251 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:25,520 jail a few months 252 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:31,880 Adam Curry: later for killing him exactly. Man, yeah, you know 253 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:32,180 it was 254 00:14:32,180 --> 00:14:34,040 Dave Jones: good to hear you go over that history, though that 255 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:34,460 was good. 256 00:14:34,580 --> 00:14:36,380 Adam Curry: Oh, I'm glad you like but I want you to have a 257 00:14:36,380 --> 00:14:39,500 listen and we'll, uh, point out that they didn't put me in the 258 00:14:39,500 --> 00:14:40,840 splits. Thanks. 259 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,380 Unknown: No, they left you out. Yeah. Unlike 260 00:14:44,380 --> 00:14:47,020 Adam Curry: your board meeting, which always puts our guests in 261 00:14:47,020 --> 00:14:48,280 the splits, always 262 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,740 Dave Jones: you should put, you should put Todd and Rob in the 263 00:14:50,740 --> 00:14:53,260 splits, just to heap coals upon their head. 264 00:14:53,860 --> 00:14:58,180 Adam Curry: Yes, keep coals upon their head. I think that is 265 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:03,300 Proverbs 27 Seven, actually, maybe 26 burning coals. Burning 266 00:15:03,300 --> 00:15:10,920 coals. I didn't hear them. Promo it on power on the pod news 267 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,980 weekly review, which I did have a chance to listen to. Tomorrow, 268 00:15:13,980 --> 00:15:19,620 there's a virtual summit. The podcasting 2.0 virtual summit 269 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:21,140 taking place. 270 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,140 Dave Jones: I know, what is a ver what is a virtual summit 271 00:15:24,140 --> 00:15:27,200 like? What is this? Oh, what is this? Is probably something that 272 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,020 I should have known, that I've been told about five times and 273 00:15:30,020 --> 00:15:30,920 just don't remember. 274 00:15:31,039 --> 00:15:33,739 Adam Curry: Let me see if I could find it. The podcasting 275 00:15:33,739 --> 00:15:38,839 2.0 virtual Summit, live and online in the podcast apps, I 276 00:15:38,839 --> 00:15:45,039 believe Barry from pod home is he's probably doing the feeds. 277 00:15:45,519 --> 00:15:49,539 Oscar, Mary will be there. I'll be there. DJ, Valerie B love 278 00:15:49,539 --> 00:15:52,179 will be there. She's pretty good at the value for value stuff. 279 00:15:52,779 --> 00:15:57,519 And it starts off, I think tomorrow, at 11am our time. Oh, 280 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:01,140 Dave Jones: is this the one that Sam is doing? No, Sam said this. 281 00:16:01,140 --> 00:16:03,720 Adam Curry: No, this is not the SAM thing. This is something 282 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,620 else, I think. But if it was Sam, then we would have had 20 283 00:16:07,620 --> 00:16:15,060 minutes of promo, that's why. But, well, that should be fun. 284 00:16:15,060 --> 00:16:19,500 And then we had a you're gonna be on there? Yes, yeah, I'm, I'm 285 00:16:19,500 --> 00:16:24,560 opening it up. And Valerie B love is going to fireside chat, 286 00:16:24,559 --> 00:16:29,659 Dave Jones: summits. Summits invoke the idea of the pinnacle. 287 00:16:29,959 --> 00:16:32,479 It's a conversation, yeah, yeah. Conversation. 288 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:37,100 Adam Curry: It's a conversation, okay, unlike the I got so after 289 00:16:37,100 --> 00:16:42,820 I did the new media show, I had a really busy day. I had 290 00:16:42,820 --> 00:16:49,060 promised this, this, this group who are doing the podcast, 291 00:16:49,060 --> 00:16:55,240 knowledge festival, I know cool in Holland. I said, Oh, you 292 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,940 know, can you do a little video for us? Like, yeah, I could do 293 00:16:57,940 --> 00:16:58,360 that. 294 00:16:58,900 --> 00:17:01,680 Dave Jones: What? Like a promo video, well, 295 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,400 Adam Curry: no, like a, like a mini keynote, basically, oh, 296 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:10,020 wow, let me see. And so then all of a sudden, I'm Hello Adam 297 00:17:10,020 --> 00:17:17,040 curry here in Texas, and open video, manure by you Lee by the 298 00:17:17,100 --> 00:17:19,920 BNR podcast, Kenneth festival. 299 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,540 Unknown: It was, I understand a lot of the things you're saying, 300 00:17:23,540 --> 00:17:25,700 yeah, like podcast, festival, 301 00:17:25,819 --> 00:17:26,599 Adam curry, 302 00:17:27,259 --> 00:17:28,459 Douche: I speak Dutch. 303 00:17:28,580 --> 00:17:32,480 Adam Curry: You do, you're a Dutch master. So it was, it was 304 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,420 very, very I did 13 minutes in one take. I was pretty 305 00:17:35,420 --> 00:17:39,320 surprised. Like, Oh, all right, was your, you're a pro. I was, I 306 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,740 was doing, I was doing video anyway. You know, I was doing 307 00:17:41,740 --> 00:17:46,060 video the whole day, so, and that'll be my video. That'll be 308 00:17:46,060 --> 00:17:50,500 it for video. This, this for the year, for the year. You know, we 309 00:17:50,500 --> 00:17:52,720 were talking about, I think we mentioned, well, we've been 310 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,080 talking about entropy and AI and stuff. And I told, I think we 311 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,420 talked about, in the last board meeting, where I said, I'm, I'm 312 00:17:58,420 --> 00:18:02,520 all in on just flooding, everything with AI, flooding 313 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:07,380 social media with AI, so the models collapse. And so you know 314 00:18:07,380 --> 00:18:10,140 that the companies go broke trying to keep their models 315 00:18:10,140 --> 00:18:14,100 clean, and there's a term for it. There's a term for it. Now 316 00:18:14,100 --> 00:18:15,960 it's called AI slop. 317 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:22,520 Dave Jones: Oh, this is, this is like you. So this idea is like, 318 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:28,880 insistence is resistance. You're like, yes, you know, I insist on 319 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,420 using these products in order for them to destroy themselves. 320 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,060 Yes, I want to. I want you want to. You want to be afraid you're 321 00:18:35,060 --> 00:18:38,660 having a front row seat for the for the self destruction. Yes, 322 00:18:38,780 --> 00:18:43,120 Adam Curry: and I want to take credit for it. I did that. You 323 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:47,380 Dave Jones: know what grok? What grok refers to me, you and me 324 00:18:47,380 --> 00:18:52,600 and everybody else. Grok considers us to be local pockets 325 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:56,320 of decreased entropy, otherwise known as humans, 326 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,020 Adam Curry: local pockets of decreased entropy. 327 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,260 Dave Jones: Yeah, do you see brown of London? Like posted? 328 00:19:05,340 --> 00:19:09,240 Adam Curry: I did see, did see that? Yeah, that makes sense. 329 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:15,360 And, you know, I was thinking like, I mean, social media is 330 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:18,780 going to become unused, unusable as a particular x will probably 331 00:19:18,780 --> 00:19:21,560 be first to go because of their very tight integration with 332 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:25,760 grok, but people are already seeing huge problems with 333 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:31,100 reviews. So any review website, or any product website that has 334 00:19:31,100 --> 00:19:35,180 reviews, it's now filling up with AI slop. Comments 335 00:19:35,180 --> 00:19:39,140 everywhere are being filled with AI slop. It's all you know, just 336 00:19:39,140 --> 00:19:45,460 a different version of comment spam. I mean, I'm just waiting 337 00:19:45,460 --> 00:19:48,040 for text messages, although that's kind of already there. I 338 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:53,560 guess political AI slop is creeping in places where people 339 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:58,360 can upload stories. You know, where writers are writing short 340 00:19:58,360 --> 00:20:02,820 stories. People upload. AI slop. And of course, once it's up 341 00:20:02,820 --> 00:20:06,420 there, then it gets re ingested. And then, you know, hold on. You 342 00:20:06,420 --> 00:20:12,000 know, buckle up, because it just gets worse and worse. And then, 343 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,700 as I'm getting ready for the board meeting, I'm like, you 344 00:20:14,700 --> 00:20:20,460 know, I think I'm just gonna move to IRC for my social stuff. 345 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:28,460 IRC is so exclusively Well, I mean, for real signal, you know, 346 00:20:28,460 --> 00:20:31,520 for, you know, for re because, first of all, it's ephemeral. I 347 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,640 don't care. I don't need to see what someone posted five days 348 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,460 ago. That's part of the problem. Is what someone posted five days 349 00:20:37,460 --> 00:20:42,280 ago, on, on x. I just want real time interaction. I want to be, 350 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:46,060 get be IRC is such a rich environment, if you just even 351 00:20:46,060 --> 00:20:50,680 look at at our own IRC servers that we're all using, which is 352 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,700 the void zero, you know, zero node.net, I mean, you can have 353 00:20:54,700 --> 00:20:59,140 your own room. You can have you can have moderation 354 00:20:59,140 --> 00:21:02,760 capabilities. You can add cool bots. I mean, it could be a 355 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,220 great place for me to just post, you know, when I have a new 356 00:21:05,220 --> 00:21:09,540 show, post it there. People get you can determine what, what 357 00:21:10,020 --> 00:21:15,720 nicks or handles alert you to certain stuff, and it's, and I 358 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,020 think, because it's ephemeral, AI will, you know, you can, you 359 00:21:19,020 --> 00:21:22,280 can block AI out. You just kick it off. It's not part of a 360 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,000 platform. It's just, you know, protocol. And I just thought, 361 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:30,080 you know, maybe I just move over to that, and, and, and 362 00:21:30,140 --> 00:21:32,360 Dave Jones: it makes sense. It's like, it's like, I mean, it's 363 00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:35,660 like Slack. And I think people like that for that reason, 364 00:21:35,660 --> 00:21:40,660 because you don't, yeah, IRC is, but I mean, it's like, Slack is 365 00:21:40,660 --> 00:21:44,020 just IRC this whole day. It is, it is, again, on top of ours, 366 00:21:44,020 --> 00:21:44,440 right? 367 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,320 Adam Curry: But again, it's, it's another platform, and 368 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,020 someone else controls it, and IRC, you can have your own 369 00:21:50,020 --> 00:21:54,280 server and it federates. I guess slack can federate too, in a 370 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,920 way. But yeah, yeah, I think you're probably right. Slack is, 371 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:01,440 in a way, just the fancy skin on an IRC server. Maybe it even 372 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:02,820 started that way. I don't know. 373 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,540 Dave Jones: It always looked that way to me. It had the same 374 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,540 I always thought that it was just a skin, but it, you know, I 375 00:22:09,540 --> 00:22:12,780 fell into this trap too, of like having to, you know, I want to 376 00:22:12,780 --> 00:22:15,540 own my content, and I want to have my own, you know, sir, 377 00:22:15,780 --> 00:22:19,680 server for being, being on social media and all these kinds 378 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:24,560 of things. And I, the other day, I just went back and in my 379 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:30,080 podcast index dot social profile, and just set my history 380 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,140 to auto delete itself after like, a certain number of weeks, 381 00:22:33,740 --> 00:22:36,920 maybe a month or so, or 90 day. I can't remember what I said it 382 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,840 to but I saw that I had like, 20 something 1000 posts on podcast 383 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:42,100 index, dot social, what a 384 00:22:42,100 --> 00:22:43,480 Unknown: waste, and it made me depressed. 385 00:22:44,740 --> 00:22:48,040 Adam Curry: I'm always whenever Tina's posting something on, 386 00:22:48,580 --> 00:22:52,300 well, she got rid of her her ex. I'm very proud of her for doing 387 00:22:52,300 --> 00:22:55,480 that. Oh, she did. I'm shutting that down. It makes me too 388 00:22:55,480 --> 00:23:02,040 anxious. She's always been on Instagram and and she'll post 389 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,560 something like, why are you working for Zuckerberg? Why are 390 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,460 you making his platform more valuable? Why? Yeah, it's like, 391 00:23:08,460 --> 00:23:11,400 well, of course, there's no, there's no right answer to that 392 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,460 question. There's not. But I will say that Zuckerberg has a 393 00:23:14,460 --> 00:23:17,880 pretty interesting strategy. He's kind of on the AI slot 394 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:23,780 bandwagon in a way. You know, metashole ai play is the llama 395 00:23:23,780 --> 00:23:26,480 model, and they're just putting out open source and, you know, 396 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,740 they intend to once it's, you know, once people have figured 397 00:23:30,740 --> 00:23:35,060 out how to do stuff with it. I use llama on my start nine, and 398 00:23:35,060 --> 00:23:39,560 I use this useful for some things, you know, then they're 399 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,820 going to create applications that you can put on top of your 400 00:23:42,820 --> 00:23:46,120 own AI models. I think that's actually the way to go. 401 00:23:47,140 --> 00:23:50,320 Dave Jones: Yeah, I think, I think they're, I think they want 402 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,260 to blow that whole thing up, yeah, like, like you said, and 403 00:23:53,260 --> 00:24:01,120 then boost the the other, you know, the Google angle. I've 404 00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:05,700 always been of the opinion, and I continue to be, that Google is 405 00:24:05,700 --> 00:24:10,080 bringing these things, these AI things, out in order to in, 406 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,880 like, visibly, publicly, very, very publicly, failing at them, 407 00:24:15,060 --> 00:24:18,960 just to show, just to strike, a lack of confidence In the 408 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,540 market. Um, well, 409 00:24:21,260 --> 00:24:22,520 Unknown: you know, go ahead, 410 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:25,580 Dave Jones: I was just gonna say, because they, they 411 00:24:25,580 --> 00:24:30,980 developed so much of what, of the transformer technology that 412 00:24:31,460 --> 00:24:35,000 that is the source behind all these, all these models, and 413 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,180 they, but they never really did anything with it. And it's 414 00:24:38,180 --> 00:24:46,120 because they know that it's long term, not a viable like it's it 415 00:24:46,180 --> 00:24:48,700 See, here's the problem with even discussing stuff like this, 416 00:24:48,700 --> 00:24:55,000 is, is you can? You have to be so nuanced in how you describe 417 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,660 its shortcomings and its and its limitations. Because if you just 418 00:24:58,660 --> 00:25:03,360 say, AI. Is not viable. That's not exactly accurate. Because 419 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:08,160 we, you know, we can all point to use cases. You could sit 420 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,040 there and dream up 10 or 12 use cases where it would make your 421 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:15,420 life simpler in a certain use case. But, but if you take it 422 00:25:15,420 --> 00:25:20,300 and you write it large, you say, large language models that are 423 00:25:20,300 --> 00:25:28,520 based on public data sets from from the internet that is of 424 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:33,920 such limited lifespan, yeah, just just like what the grok 425 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:39,320 thing that Brian posted. So I was that that phrase local 426 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:45,400 pocket of decreased entropy that, you know, I'm like, Okay, 427 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,520 well, let's, let's just stick that in quotes. Let's take this 428 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,640 term, local pocket of decreased entropy, put it in quotes and do 429 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,700 a Google search from it. Where do you think that that came 430 00:25:54,700 --> 00:25:55,120 from? 431 00:25:55,899 --> 00:25:56,499 Adam Curry: Grok? 432 00:25:57,340 --> 00:25:59,740 Dave Jones: No. I mean, where? Where did grok get it from? From 433 00:25:59,740 --> 00:26:04,140 Adam Curry: Google. I'm sure Reddit, oh, red Reddit, yes, of 434 00:26:04,140 --> 00:26:06,540 course. Well, Reddit is selling their data. They're making 435 00:26:06,540 --> 00:26:10,800 that's one of their main revenue drivers now, is selling their 436 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,940 user data to to the AI companies, yeah. 437 00:26:14,940 --> 00:26:18,600 Dave Jones: So you can, you can go on, you can find this term. I 438 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,100 was like, that is very specific term. That's such a good point. 439 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,580 And if you and if you quote search it, you can find that 440 00:26:25,580 --> 00:26:30,140 that came from the local pocket of decreased entropy. Is a term 441 00:26:30,500 --> 00:26:35,480 that groks large language model got from a few posts on Reddit. 442 00:26:36,140 --> 00:26:36,620 And I 443 00:26:36,620 --> 00:26:39,080 Adam Curry: see it right here. I see it right here under evidence 444 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:39,980 for creator, 445 00:26:40,940 --> 00:26:46,360 Dave Jones: right r slash evolution, yes, yes, it is. And 446 00:26:46,420 --> 00:26:51,220 so this is this. These are not. These are not. It is not 447 00:26:51,220 --> 00:26:57,040 gleaning. It's it's not gleaning. This data from, from 448 00:26:57,100 --> 00:27:01,560 x, from experts or vetted materials. This is just coming 449 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,800 from, from people discussing things on the internet, right? 450 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,200 And at some point it's going to book is going to come from 451 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:12,660 people discussing things where they're injecting AI output, and 452 00:27:12,660 --> 00:27:14,700 then you're going to start to see the model collapse 453 00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:15,480 accelerate, 454 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:20,940 Adam Curry: yeah, and, and what this really does is it destroys 455 00:27:20,940 --> 00:27:22,580 Google search capability. 456 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,400 Dave Jones: What do you mean? Like, flesh that out? Well, I 457 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,100 agree with you, but I want to hear what, how you describe it. 458 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,220 Adam Curry: Well, so Google is just always crawling the 459 00:27:34,220 --> 00:27:38,240 internet, and so it's picking all this stuff up. So it's 460 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,340 picking up, you know, it'll pick up the transcript of this 461 00:27:42,340 --> 00:27:47,440 podcast. Yeah, when it comes to local pockets of decreased 462 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,980 entropy, it'll see links pointing towards this podcast 463 00:27:50,980 --> 00:27:54,400 and this transcript, it'll, you know, push it up the up the 464 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,620 ladder, and, you know, before you know it, we've got it. 465 00:27:56,620 --> 00:28:00,540 We've, we've, we've birthed the meme, you know, but it's, yeah, 466 00:28:00,540 --> 00:28:03,420 it's not necessarily useful if someone is, you know, looking 467 00:28:03,420 --> 00:28:05,760 for some information. Lpdes, 468 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,400 Dave Jones: we've, you know, local pockets. 469 00:28:09,180 --> 00:28:11,940 Adam Curry: PD, I'm a pocket of decreased entropy. 470 00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:15,300 Dave Jones: Well, this actually fits back into, what, what the 471 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:18,000 just let me, let me actually pull that up, because this, this 472 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:25,820 is an interesting sort of it, the the whole idea, what Brian 473 00:28:25,820 --> 00:28:30,440 asked was, how does Darwinian evolution produce, uh, producing 474 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:35,480 increasing complexity go against entropy? And so the the answer 475 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,920 was this long thing with bullet points, and a lot of it is stuff 476 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:46,420 that you know, is, is already known and and discussed and 477 00:28:46,420 --> 00:28:51,100 debate and debated by actual people. So like, yeah, energy 478 00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:54,040 flow, longer time scales we already saw, you know, we talked 479 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,740 about that last week. You know, just, just giving something more 480 00:28:56,740 --> 00:29:01,020 time doesn't doesn't help you in this, in this issue, but this 481 00:29:01,140 --> 00:29:04,800 sort of the main thrust of the argument that that is being 482 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:10,440 formulated by this AI, is that, or by this language model 483 00:29:11,220 --> 00:29:18,540 synthesis, is that it's not a contradiction to Have evolution, 484 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,360 evolutionary progress that would be ascent with modification, 485 00:29:24,140 --> 00:29:29,960 because even though it does defy entropy, it's not a because you 486 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,860 have an injection of energy from an outside system. So this would 487 00:29:33,860 --> 00:29:37,580 be the sun. So the Earth is not a closed system. It's an open 488 00:29:37,580 --> 00:29:40,240 system that gets its energy, that gets an energy input from 489 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:45,640 the sun. But you know this, and I'm going to pull this back to 490 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,340 what you're saying in just second, but the more the more 491 00:29:48,340 --> 00:29:52,720 energy. Well, first of all, life is built from energy and 492 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,780 information, not just energy itself. I mean, I would argue a 493 00:29:55,780 --> 00:29:59,380 third requirement as well, which would be a will, but we'll you 494 00:29:59,380 --> 00:30:03,420 can leave that. Long for now. So, you know, energy has, excuse 495 00:30:03,420 --> 00:30:08,760 me, information has two possible aspects to it. You have a 496 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,300 physical representation of that information, and then you have 497 00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:17,160 its meaning information. Information isn't just bits. 498 00:30:17,820 --> 00:30:20,420 It's the bits and their meaning. So let's, let's, you know, 499 00:30:20,420 --> 00:30:24,920 imagine that you took a SSD drive and you launched it into 500 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,360 space, into, you know, where it had direct exposure to, like 501 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,980 solar flare radiation, and then in a few years, you brought it 502 00:30:33,980 --> 00:30:39,800 back down to earth, and it had bit flipped like crazy, because 503 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,640 it's getting penetrated by this radiation all the time, you 504 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,220 would have lots of bits. You would have lots of ones and 505 00:30:45,220 --> 00:30:48,760 zeros on this drive that they would be completely meaningless. 506 00:30:49,180 --> 00:30:51,940 So the information is information is not information 507 00:30:51,940 --> 00:30:56,740 until it has meaning to it. There's a there's a term for, 508 00:30:57,700 --> 00:31:00,420 you know, like information without meaning. We call that a 509 00:31:00,420 --> 00:31:00,900 bug. 510 00:31:03,540 --> 00:31:06,000 Adam Curry: Need to route around it. Yeah. 511 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,360 Dave Jones: Or, or, if you have information without meaning in 512 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:15,420 your DNA, that's called cancer, wow. Information without meaning 513 00:31:15,420 --> 00:31:19,020 is not information, it's something else. So that, you 514 00:31:19,020 --> 00:31:23,000 know, that's the first part of that. But then energy, the 515 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:29,300 energy aspect, energy without direction, is destructive. It's 516 00:31:29,300 --> 00:31:32,780 not constructive. So if you just inject energy into a system, 517 00:31:33,620 --> 00:31:37,280 you're more than you're more likely to kill the system. The 518 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,840 radi Yeah, you're gonna, you're going to increase entropy, not 519 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,320 decrease it. Think about hurricanes and solar flares. 520 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,880 These are large influxes of energy, and they take, take a 521 00:31:49,540 --> 00:31:55,540 take a beautiful wooden, you know, like a like an armoire or 522 00:31:55,540 --> 00:31:58,600 a chest or something that's beautifully decorated. Take it 523 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:05,580 and sit it out in the direct sun energy, you know, barrage, like 524 00:32:05,580 --> 00:32:07,860 in a desert for a few years, and you'll see that it is a 525 00:32:07,860 --> 00:32:11,520 destructive process. Energy influx does not build, it 526 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:16,440 destroys so, like, information degrades over time as well. So 527 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,440 you have to have, you know, you have an influx of energy from 528 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:24,080 the sun, but if it's undirected, and it's directed by the it has 529 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,780 to be directed by the information. So the energy is 530 00:32:26,780 --> 00:32:29,660 coming from outside the system, but also the information is, I 531 00:32:29,660 --> 00:32:32,600 would say that that information comes from, god, yes, in a 532 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,980 directive process. But you have to have those two elements. So 533 00:32:36,980 --> 00:32:41,380 the the same way with AI, you know, you have this influx of 534 00:32:41,380 --> 00:32:45,460 energy coming into and information coming into it. 535 00:32:46,060 --> 00:32:48,520 Those two things, if not properly directed, are 536 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:53,560 destructive, and people are trying to control it right. 537 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:54,580 Adam Curry: There you go, these 538 00:32:54,580 --> 00:32:58,480 Dave Jones: guard rails on, on it, but, but ultimately, it's, 539 00:32:58,780 --> 00:33:02,880 it's, I think the we're going to prove to be incapable of doing 540 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:03,180 that. 541 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,720 Adam Curry: But, man, people are going to make a lot of money on 542 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,560 those stocks. In the meantime, this is really what it's all 543 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,300 about. Yeah, yeah. 544 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,480 Dave Jones: This week in entropy, yeah. 545 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,120 Adam Curry: Move to some structured content here the 546 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,140 podcast standards meeting they held in Washington, DC, 547 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:31,760 published their their wishes for moving forward. Oh, you're 548 00:33:32,540 --> 00:33:32,840 talking 549 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,560 Dave Jones: about the blog post. Yes, they have a blog. Yeah, let 550 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:37,520 me copy them, 551 00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:40,720 Adam Curry: yeah. And so they, they have a first they 552 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:46,300 celebrated the podcast pod roll adoption, which I think is good. 553 00:33:47,020 --> 00:33:50,440 It hasn't really surfaced in many places yet, but people are 554 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,140 creating them on their feeds, which is good. We do it on this 555 00:33:53,140 --> 00:33:56,320 show. Oh, it has something to tell you, by the way. Well, what 556 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:57,700 are you drinking? First of all, 557 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,040 Dave Jones: this is a Lacroix, pure unflavored mineral water. 558 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:02,340 Okay, you 559 00:34:02,340 --> 00:34:04,200 Adam Curry: want to tell me something first before I move 560 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,200 on, so you don't write it down. 561 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:08,760 Unknown: I won't forget. Okay, I'm 562 00:34:10,020 --> 00:34:12,060 Adam Curry: reading here from the blog post enhancing the 563 00:34:12,060 --> 00:34:14,940 podcast the person tag. We spend a lot of meeting brainstorming 564 00:34:14,940 --> 00:34:17,580 how could improve the podcast. Person tag. We explored the idea 565 00:34:17,580 --> 00:34:21,320 of attaching a GUID to each person with a central service or 566 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,960 endpoint for storage. This approach similar to Gravatars, 567 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,320 role in Avatar management. Could it significantly enhance the 568 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,160 tags utility? We touched on this briefly on the last at the last 569 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,700 board meeting, the utility would be improved identification of 570 00:34:34,700 --> 00:34:37,520 individuals across different apps and services, increased 571 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,540 adoption by podcast hosting companies and apps and new 572 00:34:40,540 --> 00:34:43,480 opportunities for discoverability and cross 573 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,920 pollination, and which I think is is good. I mean, I would love 574 00:34:48,340 --> 00:34:53,860 congratulations to Pocket Cast. You know, they've integrated the 575 00:34:54,340 --> 00:34:59,500 transcript tag so this namespace has legs. We have liftoff. We 576 00:34:59,500 --> 00:35:07,200 have real. Lift off here. Russell Harrower, it's a tough 577 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,160 and a Harrower, 578 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,160 Unknown: it is a tough one. It's like, I can't say, drawer, 579 00:35:11,340 --> 00:35:15,180 drawer, drawer, drawer. Russell Harr, 580 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,740 Adam Curry: he flagged some issues with the current person 581 00:35:19,740 --> 00:35:22,640 tag, and then I want to talk to you about it for a second, Since 582 00:35:22,700 --> 00:35:24,260 no one seems to have replied to him. 583 00:35:25,460 --> 00:35:27,800 Dave Jones: Have not read it yet. Well, he 584 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,700 Adam Curry: says, so. First, he say he has some you know, stuff 585 00:35:31,700 --> 00:35:37,640 about well, you know, tags should be flexible, but he feels 586 00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:43,840 that if he actually wrote a an issue. While the podcast person 587 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,960 tag is a great tag to have, it's missing key requirements that 588 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,020 make it a valuable tag for podcast players and applications 589 00:35:50,020 --> 00:35:54,100 to match a podcast guest or host with other podcasts they've 590 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,640 they're featured on the current person tag. Documentation does 591 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,080 not allow for a podcast hosting company to link to a person ID 592 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,800 or social interact. Slash social to a person. This means that 593 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,860 podcast players may unknowingly say that Russell featured on why 594 00:36:07,860 --> 00:36:12,060 podcast? Why? Because the person's name match other 595 00:36:12,060 --> 00:36:14,700 documents in that podcast player. So he's talking about 596 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:19,860 unique identific, identifier for a person. Now the podcast person 597 00:36:19,860 --> 00:36:27,680 tag does have a an optional href link, which, in my mind, could 598 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,100 be used or should be used for that. In fact, whenever we have 599 00:36:31,100 --> 00:36:35,720 guests on the show, I always put a link to the person's website 600 00:36:36,140 --> 00:36:40,840 of their company, or if they have a personal profile page, or 601 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:46,540 if all else fails, to the podcast index, dot, social 602 00:36:46,540 --> 00:36:54,400 profile. Do we need to change anything in this tag? So he's 603 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,480 basically talking about being an authentic so he's basically 604 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,200 saying we need a kind of what podcast standards is saying we 605 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,520 need a GUID for each individual person, and how do we handle 606 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:06,000 that? 607 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,660 Dave Jones: Yeah, so sit. I replied. Alberto sent me an 608 00:37:12,660 --> 00:37:14,460 email and 609 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:15,900 Adam Curry: back channel. 610 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,120 Dave Jones: He sent me. It wasn't really a back channel. He 611 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,140 sent me an email and was like, hey, you know, heads up on this 612 00:37:24,140 --> 00:37:27,860 blog post, essentially, here's the one that you're referring 613 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:33,980 you know, hey, you know, can we get some input on this? And I'm 614 00:37:34,580 --> 00:37:36,680 glad he did that, because I would not have seen the blog 615 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:43,780 post otherwise, and my reply to him was virtually identical to 616 00:37:43,780 --> 00:37:50,320 what you just said. I replied to him and said, You know, I'm a 617 00:37:50,740 --> 00:37:55,900 couple of things. I feel like we would be, you know, of course, 618 00:37:55,900 --> 00:38:01,740 the podcast index would be glad to host any sort of like Central 619 00:38:01,740 --> 00:38:05,700 list, you know, like, we could put it on, you know, make a 620 00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:12,000 GitHub repo for for this centralized list, so you could, 621 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,480 like, do a lookup of people, you were your guests, who have been 622 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,500 on other shows. I mean, I feel like that's totally fine and and 623 00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:22,940 we would be happy to host that centrally for the community, 624 00:38:22,940 --> 00:38:29,720 yeah, and then, you know, for but then also, and as and 625 00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:37,160 everybody could contribute as well. Then the idea of the GUID, 626 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,760 my thought was exit was exactly what you just said, that the 627 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:49,360 href is should be unique already it. I mean it. You know, URLs 628 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,300 are essentially, are goods, because they have to be globally 629 00:38:52,300 --> 00:38:58,840 unique. So if we just it, it's good to afford. I feel like it's 630 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,580 good for it to remain up, the good, excuse me, for the href to 631 00:39:02,580 --> 00:39:08,220 remain optional, because there is this for the tag to be 632 00:39:08,220 --> 00:39:15,420 flexible in that for what it is you want it to be flexible. You 633 00:39:15,420 --> 00:39:19,500 want to be able to say you want to just be able to throw a 634 00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:26,120 person tag in there and have it just work, yeah? But then if you 635 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:31,700 want it to be globally unique, like a great like Gravatar does 636 00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:33,200 this with your email address, yeah? 637 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,020 Adam Curry: But we just don't really want to rely on Gravatar, 638 00:39:36,020 --> 00:39:37,220 do we? No, I 639 00:39:37,220 --> 00:39:39,680 Dave Jones: don't think so. No, I don't think so. I don't think 640 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,940 so because you could, I really don't think so, because it 641 00:39:42,940 --> 00:39:46,960 requires an email address, and I just don't know that. I mean, 642 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,080 nobody wants to associate. There's just a real hesitancy to 643 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,320 associate your email address with podcast stuff and just 644 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,780 right, right, I don't know, and I just don't want 645 00:39:55,780 --> 00:39:59,380 Adam Curry: to go good point after we got rid of it from RSS 646 00:39:59,380 --> 00:40:03,600 fees. Now we. Want to reintroduce it back. Yeah, 647 00:40:03,660 --> 00:40:06,420 excellent point. I mean, yeah, you 648 00:40:06,420 --> 00:40:08,460 Dave Jones: know that HRF should be unique, right? 649 00:40:09,420 --> 00:40:12,240 Adam Curry: I guess what Russell is saying is that it should be 650 00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:17,280 unique. It should be the same across the board. So you so when 651 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,360 you have me on as a guest, you I would, I would prefer you to 652 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,320 point it to my podcast index, dot social profile, but someone 653 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,580 else may put in podcast index.org or or curry.com or 654 00:40:28,580 --> 00:40:29,480 something else. 655 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:37,160 Dave Jones: I mean, I think that's the this, the protocol 656 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:44,740 itself, having the href as the unique identifier is fine, is 657 00:40:44,740 --> 00:40:48,640 fine. And that solves the problem of, that solves the 658 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:53,320 problem of uniqueness, the problem of like, the idea of 659 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,820 wanting it always to be that Adam curry has this href, yeah. 660 00:40:58,060 --> 00:41:01,080 That can be solved with with a central lookup. Hey, 661 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,360 Adam Curry: man, I want it to be my nostr and pub. 662 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,100 Dave Jones: You can totally do that. Bro, Thanks, bro, 663 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,580 Adam Curry: my nostr and pub. That's my identity in the world, 664 00:41:12,780 --> 00:41:16,920 Dave Jones: like so that there's kind of like two, there's two 665 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:23,480 like angles to that desire. There's the the h ref solves the 666 00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:28,100 makes it makes it possible to do that, but then having a central 667 00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:33,560 lookup repository makes it sort of Dependable that you're always 668 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,100 going to get the same href right. And then just, you know, 669 00:41:37,100 --> 00:41:41,020 like, just like a gravatar, if you want to have multiple 670 00:41:41,020 --> 00:41:44,500 identities. You can just use multiple email addresses. The 671 00:41:44,500 --> 00:41:49,000 same here. Like, if right, I may want to appear on a podcast 672 00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:51,040 Adam Curry: and have a different personal Yeah, different 673 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,140 identity, yeah. Like, in my 674 00:41:53,140 --> 00:41:55,780 Dave Jones: personal capacity, you can be and then have a 675 00:41:55,780 --> 00:41:57,100 different you can be. 676 00:41:57,100 --> 00:41:59,800 Adam Curry: Do we know on some other podcast, could be a woman? 677 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:00,220 Yes, 678 00:42:00,700 --> 00:42:03,780 Dave Jones: I could. That's right, that's for my RP, my MMO 679 00:42:03,780 --> 00:42:10,860 RPG identity, my female, you know, whatever, yeah. But that, 680 00:42:10,860 --> 00:42:15,180 yeah, that's so you could just have, you know, you could have a 681 00:42:15,180 --> 00:42:18,480 day if I was on a for my day job, if I was on a, you know, 682 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:23,000 podcast, for you know, tax stuff, then, you know, I would, 683 00:42:23,540 --> 00:42:26,060 I may use a different profile that points that's more 684 00:42:26,060 --> 00:42:28,520 relevant. And so then I would have these two identity, I don't 685 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,100 know. I just think the href solves it. I don't know that we 686 00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:32,480 need to introduce a GUID. 687 00:42:32,540 --> 00:42:35,780 Adam Curry: No, I don't think so. But if people want to ramp 688 00:42:35,780 --> 00:42:40,640 up something on make a well, wouldn't that just be a table? 689 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,300 You don't we already have that basically, then we already have 690 00:42:44,020 --> 00:42:47,740 these rows in the table for the podcast person tag. 691 00:42:52,180 --> 00:42:55,180 Dave Jones: We do, yeah, and we could just, we could see that 692 00:42:55,180 --> 00:42:58,480 list by just dumping that table out, yeah, 693 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:04,140 Unknown: initial lookup list, repository created. It's done. 694 00:43:04,140 --> 00:43:06,660 It's done. We did. It was that fast enough? Russell, 695 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,100 Dave Jones: I mean, there was he's talking now, when he's 696 00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:15,660 talking about social aspect, is he talking about, like your 697 00:43:15,660 --> 00:43:17,040 social media handles or, I 698 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,600 Adam Curry: guess so. Yeah, is NP. That's the end pub deal, 699 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:29,000 Dave Jones: I guess we'll see that we, we know we need a 700 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:37,160 social tag here, and so I'm, I'm thinking, and we have yet to do 701 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:42,640 that, so I feel like that's probably the solution to what to 702 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,820 that part of what he's saying. Yeah, you've got the, you've got 703 00:43:45,820 --> 00:43:48,340 the central look up good thing, and then you have, like, Okay, 704 00:43:48,340 --> 00:43:52,000 but how do we attach, like, social media thing to that? And 705 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:56,260 I think I feel like those are two separate questions. I 706 00:43:56,260 --> 00:43:59,080 Adam Curry: agree. I agree. That's part of a profile. 707 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,880 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, because, because we've talked about a 708 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:07,860 social tag, you know, like a podcast colon social tag, and I 709 00:44:07,860 --> 00:44:13,920 feel like that is its own tag. And then you define it and 710 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:19,620 attach it to, to a person in some way, yeah, or maybe even 711 00:44:19,620 --> 00:44:27,320 the this is interesting. Maybe the person tag could even, okay, 712 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,540 I'm getting sucked in now, yes, 713 00:44:29,540 --> 00:44:32,360 Adam Curry: you are sorry, by the way, if anyone wants to join 714 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:37,220 my new social network, I'm hashtag Adam on nodes, on zero 715 00:44:37,220 --> 00:44:42,100 node.net, that's my, that's my new social that's, that's right, 716 00:44:42,100 --> 00:44:45,700 that's where you can find me. That's where you can interact 717 00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:46,120 with me. 718 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,020 Unknown: IRC, yes, yeah, yeah. 719 00:44:50,980 --> 00:44:54,100 Adam Curry: IRC, federates, right? IRC, federates, you can, 720 00:44:54,100 --> 00:44:56,140 yeah, yeah. You can get to it from other servers. It's 721 00:44:56,260 --> 00:44:59,800 Dave Jones: kind of real. It's a relays, yes, realizes. Relays 722 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,800 do. This is just like Noster, gee, only 723 00:45:01,860 --> 00:45:03,120 Adam Curry: 28 years old. 724 00:45:05,340 --> 00:45:09,300 Dave Jones: Publishers, I mean, I'm looking at the person tag 725 00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:09,900 right now. 726 00:45:12,180 --> 00:45:14,220 Adam Curry: Hey citizen, the first one, first one. Hey 727 00:45:14,220 --> 00:45:17,280 citizen, first one in my social network. That 728 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,460 Dave Jones: wouldn't fit. No idea. Wouldn't fit. Nevermind. I 729 00:45:20,460 --> 00:45:24,860 retracted. I take it back. The social, yeah, I think we could 730 00:45:24,860 --> 00:45:29,240 do a social thing where we have, like, where we could attach, 731 00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:33,500 even wrap tags in a social tag. 732 00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:34,400 Unknown: Oh, there you go. 733 00:45:36,860 --> 00:45:38,840 Dave Jones: I don't know what to think about it. Okay. 734 00:45:38,900 --> 00:45:41,360 Adam Curry: Well, that was my hot name, space talk for the 735 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,800 day. Let me see what else I had on this thing. Ai content 736 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,840 identification. Oh, boy. 737 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,260 Dave Jones: Oh yeah. That should be easy, right? We had 738 00:45:50,260 --> 00:45:52,660 Adam Curry: just we discussed the possibility of introducing a 739 00:45:52,660 --> 00:45:57,520 tag to indicate AI generated audio content in podcasts. The 740 00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:01,020 idea was inspired by YouTube. What's the what's the raspberry 741 00:46:01,020 --> 00:46:04,140 for? Who cares? The idea was inspired by YouTube's recent 742 00:46:04,140 --> 00:46:07,020 implementation of asking creators of the content makes a 743 00:46:07,020 --> 00:46:10,500 real person appear to say, you know, it does you know? You 744 00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:13,560 might as well just auto tag everything, because everything's 745 00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,620 gonna gonna contain AI generated audio, whether you know it or 746 00:46:16,620 --> 00:46:20,900 not, that's the future. That's the future. I 747 00:46:20,900 --> 00:46:25,340 Dave Jones: know. I know. I know Apple for sure, wants that. It's 748 00:46:25,340 --> 00:46:29,300 because Ted mentioned it that they want some way of of just 749 00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:31,640 tagging, of having, like, an 750 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,660 Adam Curry: AI, all going to be AI. It will all contain elements 751 00:46:35,660 --> 00:46:40,360 of AI. It's unavoidable. That's my point. That's the future. 752 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:46,600 Dave Jones: Well, well, I mean, but how far do you go with that? 753 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:52,840 I mean, like the no agenda may have, may play a clip that has 754 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:57,340 some AI in it in a mocking fashion, Yeah, but you're not, 755 00:46:57,340 --> 00:47:01,560 but that doesn't mean that you are AI generated content. No, 756 00:47:01,620 --> 00:47:06,300 Adam Curry: well, no, it says makes a real person appear to 757 00:47:06,300 --> 00:47:09,240 say or do something they didn't say or do. So now they're into 758 00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:13,680 the misinformation game. No, I don't. So you might as well. I 759 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:22,580 mean, no, agenda is arguably 50% misinformation. You know, I said 760 00:47:22,580 --> 00:47:23,060 Dave Jones: that please. 761 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,140 Adam Curry: I was but I played this song on the pre screen. 762 00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:30,740 This one, I'll just play a little bit. Get to the vocals. 763 00:47:31,340 --> 00:47:31,880 There you go. 764 00:47:32,420 --> 00:47:34,340 Unknown: Cody Wilson forced 765 00:47:34,340 --> 00:47:37,520 the way. Stark followed, led the fray. 766 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,800 Adam Curry: I kind of liked this song. I just pulled it off of 767 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:44,380 the split kid, and we right away, it was like, That's AI, is 768 00:47:44,620 --> 00:47:48,460 AI? And I hadn't even realized it was AI. I like the guitar. I 769 00:47:48,460 --> 00:47:52,660 like the riff. It's pretty good when it comes to AI, is it AI? 770 00:47:52,660 --> 00:47:56,500 For real? No, everyone says it is, says it sounds like it Come 771 00:47:56,500 --> 00:48:00,240 coming straight out of Sumo, which probably is Sumo. I don't 772 00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:03,780 know what that is. Oh, yeah, Sumo is the is the Sumo is 773 00:48:03,780 --> 00:48:07,260 getting sued. Sumo sue me. Mo, oh, 774 00:48:07,260 --> 00:48:09,600 Dave Jones: is that the? Is that the one that enabled that, uh, 775 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,540 Spotify fraudster guy to do all that? Probably, 776 00:48:12,540 --> 00:48:14,580 Adam Curry: yeah, probably. But by the way, it wasn't that. It 777 00:48:14,580 --> 00:48:18,240 was AI. It was, he was, uh, defrauding the streams. That's 778 00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:19,320 that was the problem. 779 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,180 Dave Jones: Well, yeah, auto auto tune. Yeah, we'll make you 780 00:48:23,180 --> 00:48:27,020 sound like AI. But I mean, if we go back, if somebody played, if 781 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:31,640 Cher released her auto two song, tune, song, yep, today everybody 782 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,180 would say it's AI, but it was, it may just be auto tune. 783 00:48:35,180 --> 00:48:38,840 Adam Curry: Yeah, that's possible. It's possible. Most 784 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,560 songs today are auto tune. But anyway, oh 785 00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,080 Unknown: yeah, I don't like this. Live shows are auto tuned 786 00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:44,380 pretty 787 00:48:44,380 --> 00:48:47,380 Adam Curry: much now, oh yeah. I mean, my theremin is auto tune. 788 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,940 Unknown: That's why it sounds so good. This is why you can jam, 789 00:48:51,940 --> 00:48:52,240 yes, 790 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:56,560 Adam Curry: how I hit the notes. But you know, if you want to get 791 00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:01,800 into the game of may, of asking creators to tag their content if 792 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,680 it makes a real person appear to say or do something they didn't 793 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:09,420 say or do. I will never do that. You want to highlight parody, 794 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,260 but it may not be parody. It's like now you're in the in the 795 00:49:13,260 --> 00:49:16,320 misinformation, disinformation game. That's a very slippery 796 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,900 slope, people. You don't want to get into that. 797 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,360 Dave Jones: I don't have a problem with a general tag that 798 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:29,120 just says, this is, this is all AI. I mean that to me that 799 00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,240 sounds because we do that. That's similar to what happens 800 00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:36,680 on the Fed averse when you can tag an account as a bot and you 801 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,680 say, Okay, this, this is just not this is not a human. And 802 00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,720 it's sometimes right helpful to know that you could say, well, 803 00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:46,660 this, you know, this show, if it's if you're putting out a 804 00:49:46,660 --> 00:49:50,260 feed this, every episode is generated by notebook. Lm, well, 805 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,020 then you could just tag that as, okay, this is an auto generated 806 00:49:53,020 --> 00:49:53,380 feed. 807 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:58,300 Adam Curry: I mean, there's a, there's a, I actually subscribe 808 00:49:58,300 --> 00:50:03,180 to an AI podcast. Which is the automated daily, 809 00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,320 Unknown: and I'll play it for you so you can hear what it 810 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:07,800 sounds like. 811 00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:12,180 Welcome to the automated daily, top news edition, the podcast 812 00:50:12,180 --> 00:50:15,720 created by generative AI. Now we're not just delivering the 813 00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:19,440 news, we're empowering you to become a storyteller. Create 814 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:20,180 your own pie. Have 815 00:50:20,180 --> 00:50:22,220 Adam Curry: this auto skip picked list of because I'm 816 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,320 annoyed by hearing this every single time. Email 817 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,200 Unknown: us info. The automated daily How do you auto skip? It? 818 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:27,920 Today is 2008, 819 00:50:28,100 --> 00:50:30,380 Adam Curry: and podcast guru, you can say, just skip. You 820 00:50:30,380 --> 00:50:33,680 know, start eight seconds in. Here we go. So this Secretary 821 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,080 Unknown: General, Antonio Guterres, has raised alarms 822 00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,620 about the rising sea levels, describing them as a rising tide 823 00:50:39,620 --> 00:50:40,720 of misery. You 824 00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:43,960 Adam Curry: know, it's not an, it's not an rising tide of 825 00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:49,120 misery. It's not an offensive voice. It's, it's three minutes, 826 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,700 you know, just gives me some some I know where the headlines 827 00:50:51,700 --> 00:50:57,460 are coming from. But they also do a hacker news edition, an AI 828 00:50:57,460 --> 00:51:02,280 edition, and that's tedious stuff that no one will do. And 829 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,860 I'm like, Oh, I'm okay with that. I'm okay with you just 830 00:51:04,860 --> 00:51:07,500 listening to you read some headlines and some summaries. 831 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,800 And of course, I love it, because this creates more AI 832 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:11,940 slop ultimately. 833 00:51:12,780 --> 00:51:15,720 Dave Jones: Well, the which is, which is your mission, that is, 834 00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:22,040 yes, it is. The, there's a bunch of these in the index. And these 835 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,440 should all like, I would not have a problem with there being 836 00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,320 a little like, right now it says news and daily. Are the two 837 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:32,420 little badges on it, two categories, right? So if you had 838 00:51:32,420 --> 00:51:38,180 another little badger here that you said automated, or AI, yeah, 839 00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,900 generated, or something like that, because then you could, 840 00:51:40,900 --> 00:51:43,420 then you could in, then you could index on it and say, Okay, 841 00:51:43,420 --> 00:51:46,720 I'm looking for, looking for some shows, but I don't want AI 842 00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:50,200 shows, right, right? I don't have a problem. I think, I think 843 00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:50,920 that's fine. I do. 844 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,940 Adam Curry: Okay, yes, if it's, if it's just because the show is 845 00:51:54,940 --> 00:51:59,080 generated by AI, but not if it's pretending to be something that 846 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,920 someone said that it wasn't true. Of like, come on, 847 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,080 Dave Jones: nah, yeah, because then then you're immediately 848 00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,680 gonna open up the can of worms. Of it's selective editing, and 849 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:11,940 you're just gonna get all this. It's just No, I agree, and 850 00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,540 Adam Curry: by the way, I agree. Harv hat, CGI, I'm calling it 851 00:52:15,540 --> 00:52:19,320 should be CGA, computer generated audio. It's not AI by 852 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,940 any stretch of the imagination. This computer generated audio 853 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:29,900 from text files. It's beautiful. This is just fine. Let me see. 854 00:52:29,900 --> 00:52:33,020 Was there anything else new application process? Oh, yeah, 855 00:52:33,020 --> 00:52:35,720 you have to apply. Can we? Can I apply? Apply to be a member. 856 00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:37,880 Apply for what? What are you applying to become a member of 857 00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:39,080 the pod standards group? 858 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:45,880 Dave Jones: Oh, don't. No, don't do that. Okay, then, then 859 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,520 they're gonna send you, uh, dinner, send you more emails and 860 00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,200 invite you to a Slack channel. You don't want 861 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:51,220 Unknown: that slide show. And I 862 00:52:52,660 --> 00:52:55,900 Adam Curry: have a feeling their meetings aren't 30 minutes. No, 863 00:52:56,620 --> 00:53:00,400 Dave Jones: okay. I like, I like the I like the way this works 864 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,420 right now, where, where they have meetings and then they just 865 00:53:03,420 --> 00:53:07,200 email us the blog post. What do you think? Yeah, it's 866 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:08,040 Adam Curry: good, perfect. 867 00:53:08,100 --> 00:53:10,680 Dave Jones: I prefer to stick with that model. Works for me. 868 00:53:10,740 --> 00:53:14,880 Works for me. Can we I've got some more namespace stuff if you 869 00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:15,660 want to. Yeah, well, 870 00:53:15,660 --> 00:53:20,420 Adam Curry: then let me get the business. And now it's time for 871 00:53:20,420 --> 00:53:25,460 some hot name space talk, yeah, because all I had was lukewarm. 872 00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,580 Dave's bringing the heat. Dave's bringing the heat to the 873 00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:29,720 namespace. Talk, 874 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,200 Dave Jones: your stuff was tepid, tepid. 875 00:53:34,340 --> 00:53:36,980 Adam Curry: Sorry, I'm sorry for being tepid. 876 00:53:38,420 --> 00:53:43,360 Dave Jones: The funding tag. Ah, my favorite. You're you're a fan 877 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:44,140 of the funding tag. 878 00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:45,340 Adam Curry: I am. I 879 00:53:45,700 --> 00:53:50,500 Dave Jones: so I realized something last night. I was 880 00:53:50,500 --> 00:53:58,600 doing some some work, and realized that the funding tag is 881 00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:04,980 only for the channel level, and it feels like it should be as a 882 00:54:04,980 --> 00:54:07,380 it feels like an artificial restraint where 883 00:54:07,380 --> 00:54:09,720 Adam Curry: it should be item level as well. 884 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:10,800 Dave Jones: Yeah, 885 00:54:10,980 --> 00:54:14,940 Adam Curry: I'm gonna, I'm completely all in on that. I 886 00:54:14,940 --> 00:54:22,040 agree I done next. It has to be. I think it's I think it's 887 00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,800 critical. I think it's critical. I didn't even realize that it 888 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,160 was channel level only that didn't either. And I also wish 889 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:35,060 that apps would make clear what it is, you know, because, well, 890 00:54:35,060 --> 00:54:38,240 obviously funding is just a name in the namespace, but it's 891 00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:42,760 really either support this or donate. I mean, I think those 892 00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,900 are, those are the terms that fit best. Use your own 893 00:54:46,900 --> 00:54:52,660 discretion. Podcast guru, let me see I don't quite like their 894 00:54:52,660 --> 00:54:56,740 implementation, although it is my data driver. I 895 00:54:56,740 --> 00:54:58,600 Dave Jones: heard you throw Jason under the bus on the new 896 00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,840 media show under the. Ending tag. Well, 897 00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,520 Adam Curry: that's not throwing men under the bus. That's 898 00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:03,960 constructive criticism. 899 00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,480 Dave Jones: Okay, you put you put his toe under a tire 900 00:55:07,620 --> 00:55:10,500 Adam Curry: and rolled and then, and then hit the gas and backed 901 00:55:10,500 --> 00:55:15,240 over it again. So if I'm in an episode, obviously it doesn't 902 00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:20,720 show which makes sense, because it's channel level only, and if 903 00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:26,120 I'm Let me see. Let me see if I do this, right? So if I go to 904 00:55:26,180 --> 00:55:30,860 the channel level, okay, so support this podcast is under 905 00:55:30,860 --> 00:55:35,780 the menu bar, but not visible in the UI. I think that that was my 906 00:55:35,780 --> 00:55:40,360 complaints, like, Hey, man, and yes, it should be visible when, 907 00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,300 when you're playing the podcast, that's, that's the ultimate 908 00:55:43,300 --> 00:55:48,340 moment. And there's, there's 50% screen space on podcast guru to 909 00:55:48,340 --> 00:55:52,840 put it in there. I'd love to have that at the at the item 910 00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:56,320 level. So can we change the namespace? Can we change Yeah, 911 00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:56,980 okay, I 912 00:55:56,980 --> 00:55:59,800 Dave Jones: feel, I feel like we should, I don't think. I cannot 913 00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:04,920 imagine anybody having a problem with this. I mean, if I haven't 914 00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,640 heard from anybody that this, that this is a problem in in, 915 00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,400 you know, by the end of the weekend, I'm just gonna go ahead 916 00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,860 and do it good. I mean, I'll document it, I'll document the 917 00:56:13,860 --> 00:56:16,380 change and make sure everybody knows about it. But I just don't 918 00:56:16,380 --> 00:56:19,020 see how this could possibly be a problem. This is the stuff that 919 00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:23,420 drives everybody crazy, the true running with scissor stuff. When 920 00:56:23,420 --> 00:56:25,700 we have a discussion like this, and we're like, Yeah, I'm just 921 00:56:25,700 --> 00:56:26,720 gonna change it, right? 922 00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:29,960 Adam Curry: Everybody's like, well, you make it optional, 923 00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:34,340 right? You make it optional to be item level, yeah, yeah, yeah, 924 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:35,360 that's the way to do it. 925 00:56:36,380 --> 00:56:41,140 Dave Jones: So I just don't there's because you can imagine, 926 00:56:41,140 --> 00:56:45,700 we can all sit here for two seconds and imagine many 927 00:56:45,700 --> 00:56:47,740 scenarios where this would apply. 928 00:56:47,740 --> 00:56:50,440 Adam Curry: Well, now I understand why podcast guru 929 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:55,420 wasn't floating my boat because, because it's, it's not an item 930 00:56:55,420 --> 00:56:58,060 level thing. So when you're just playing the podcast, it's not 931 00:56:58,060 --> 00:57:01,980 going to show up. I mean, it could. But just thinking from a 932 00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,500 developer standpoint, oh no, this is when you're looking at 933 00:57:04,500 --> 00:57:06,960 the all, the whole list of the podcast, when you're basically 934 00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,320 looking at the channel, that's where support this podcast shows 935 00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,860 up. I completely understand how that flows through to a 936 00:57:13,860 --> 00:57:18,960 developer in putting that feature in again, whereas if 937 00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,880 it's also at the item level, hello. Stephen Bell, I need that 938 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:27,440 the item level. Then, you know, then it makes sense, because 939 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,140 there's just a piece of data sitting like, oh, I need to put 940 00:57:30,140 --> 00:57:34,280 in. I need to put this piece of data into the individual item on 941 00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,700 the on the item player page. So I completely understand. So, 942 00:57:37,940 --> 00:57:40,480 Jason, I love you, man, I did not. I did not mean to be 943 00:57:40,660 --> 00:57:44,020 throwing you under the bus that was just bumping you 944 00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,560 Dave Jones: when you're when you're at India. Developer, yes, 945 00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,440 still to, still to boots. Yes, 946 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,440 Adam Curry: you have to, you have to have boots like that. 947 00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:58,960 And that makes sense. And I'm hoping that we get some wallet 948 00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,620 solution pretty soon. Any word from the Zebedee folks yet, 949 00:58:01,620 --> 00:58:03,180 nothing yet, I presume. Well, 950 00:58:03,180 --> 00:58:07,800 Dave Jones: I mean, they're kind of waiting on me because I'm, I 951 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,340 need to. I've set up my developer account on there, but 952 00:58:11,340 --> 00:58:14,700 I haven't had chance to code on it, because of this other thing 953 00:58:14,700 --> 00:58:18,180 that that I've got going on. And you mean, 954 00:58:18,180 --> 00:58:20,480 Adam Curry: the robot, building the robot. 955 00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,040 Dave Jones: This thing is awesome. 956 00:58:28,340 --> 00:58:30,380 Adam Curry: It'll do your laundry, you watch. 957 00:58:32,420 --> 00:58:37,880 Dave Jones: I so wish we were building a robot. Yeah, the sub 958 00:58:37,940 --> 00:58:40,900 hadn't had a chance. I'm hoping to get to it this week where I 959 00:58:40,900 --> 00:58:44,740 can set up a little dim, you know, like a sandbox type app. 960 00:58:44,740 --> 00:58:50,200 Just check it out, cool. Um, one thing happened this. One thing 961 00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:51,220 happened this week. 962 00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:52,960 Adam Curry: A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the 963 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:54,580 office. Yes, a 964 00:58:54,580 --> 00:58:57,700 Dave Jones: funny thing happened in the aggregator. Oh, yeah, I 965 00:58:57,700 --> 00:59:01,260 Adam Curry: read about this. You did Yes. This is the, the 966 00:59:01,260 --> 00:59:06,120 delayed, uh, surfacing of a particular feed. No, 967 00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,460 Dave Jones: no, no, no, that, that's, that's the ungovernable, 968 00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,900 ungovernable misfits, which those guys are crazy anyways, in 969 00:59:12,900 --> 00:59:13,440 the title, 970 00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,200 Adam Curry: the problem is, in the title, they're ungovernable. 971 00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:16,380 It's 972 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:18,900 Unknown: like, yeah, like, it's 973 00:59:18,900 --> 00:59:20,840 Dave Jones: not showing up. And Steven's like they're 974 00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:22,160 uncomfortable misfits. 975 00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,740 Unknown: Exactly No. I'm 976 00:59:24,740 --> 00:59:26,600 Dave Jones: talking about a different issue that Oscar 977 00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:33,320 emailed me about. He emailed me a link. Can I? Can I find this 978 00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:38,060 feed? Hang on, I just got, I just got the booster gram blitz 979 00:59:38,060 --> 00:59:40,660 in my email. So I'm gonna have to go back through here and find 980 00:59:40,660 --> 00:59:47,980 it. Oscar, here we go. All right. This is podcast ID, 981 00:59:47,980 --> 00:59:59,920 311232, let's see what that goes to 313311232, yeah, the ABP, AB. 982 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:06,240 P Audio, Bible podcast.com, the World English Bible, blended 983 01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:06,960 mix. 984 01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,500 Adam Curry: Oh, I think I spoke to these guys. They have 8000 985 01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:17,160 versions of the Bible. Probably. Yeah, let's see where's what's 986 01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:17,760 it called again, 987 01:00:19,500 --> 01:00:22,280 Dave Jones: what's going on with my internet. What's wrong 988 01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,980 Adam Curry: with the Internet? What's the three? What's this 989 01:00:24,980 --> 01:00:25,400 podcast 990 01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:30,140 Dave Jones: into podcast index ID 311232, it's the ABP. World, 991 01:00:30,140 --> 01:00:33,020 English, Bible, blended, mix, January, start, 992 01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,200 polio, okay? Bible that 993 01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,120 Adam Curry: didn't work very well. Podcast.com 994 01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,940 Dave Jones: they searched that way. Oh, Lord, they got a lot of 995 01:00:45,940 --> 01:00:46,360 Bibles. 996 01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:48,460 Adam Curry: What are you searching by? 997 01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:58,120 Dave Jones: I searched for audio Bible. Podcast.com Okay, yeah. 998 01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,480 They got World English Bible, King James Version, King James 999 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,920 Version, right? One hour a day, April, start, November, start 1000 01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,980 January. Whoa, they've got this must be like a through the Bible 1001 01:01:07,980 --> 01:01:10,500 in a year type of thing. Yes, 1002 01:01:10,500 --> 01:01:13,140 Adam Curry: they and they had a read for every i think they 1003 01:01:13,140 --> 01:01:16,980 reached out to me. I'm like, you guys should do it in the in the 1004 01:01:16,980 --> 01:01:20,420 index. And then they, they showed up. And so what? What 1005 01:01:20,420 --> 01:01:21,740 happened? What's the problem? 1006 01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:30,920 Dave Jones: Well, okay, so the issue was, Oscar said there's, 1007 01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:34,100 there's no this episode, like there's this episode that's not 1008 01:01:34,100 --> 01:01:42,700 showing up. And it was on this specific one, this world English 1009 01:01:42,700 --> 01:01:48,640 Bible blended mix January start, and he ref, he's, he gave me the 1010 01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,280 episode that's not showing up. And so I started looking through 1011 01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:58,780 the feed, and the GUIDs in this feed are like, here's Okay, 1012 01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:05,160 messed up the GUIDs. Well, it's fit. So here's the GUID. The 1013 01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:09,420 good for one of the episodes is 15. I'll just say the numbers, 1014 01:02:09,420 --> 01:02:16,440 one, 5.267 the next good is one, 5.2681 5.269, blah, blah, blah. 1015 01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:23,180 So then two of the episode that's missed. That was missing 1016 01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:29,360 was episode with a good fifteen.to six, but there was 1017 01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:36,080 run one right beside it in the items table with so it was the 1018 01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:41,560 one that was missing was 16.26 the one and but there was one in 1019 01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:47,860 there with 16.260. Is the GUID. So what does that tell you? 1020 01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:51,880 Quiz, quiz time. 1021 01:02:52,900 --> 01:02:54,580 Adam Curry: Give me the question again. 1022 01:02:55,300 --> 01:03:00,360 Dave Jones: So there's two episodes in the feed. One has a 1023 01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:08,640 GUID of fifth of 16.26, another one has the GUID of 16.260 only 1024 01:03:08,700 --> 01:03:09,240 16.26 1025 01:03:10,260 --> 01:03:12,780 Unknown: is showing up, oh, because of the zero at the end 1026 01:03:12,780 --> 01:03:13,680 will be ignored. 1027 01:03:14,820 --> 01:03:16,980 Dave Jones: Yeah, it was part yes. It was parsing. The 1028 01:03:16,980 --> 01:03:20,780 aggregator. Was parsing the GUID as a number and dropping the 1029 01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,800 Adam Curry: zero. So you had a integer instead of a string, 1030 01:03:25,340 --> 01:03:29,180 Dave Jones: specifically as a as a float or a double. Oh, yeah, 1031 01:03:29,180 --> 01:03:31,880 Adam Curry: that's what I meant to say, as a float or a double. 1032 01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:32,720 Well, in 1033 01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,760 Dave Jones: JavaScript, there is no such thing as a float or a 1034 01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,340 double. I think everything is a double, but there's only one 1035 01:03:37,340 --> 01:03:41,500 type called number, and it can and it's just everything's a 1036 01:03:41,500 --> 01:03:47,320 double. So the but it so, and they can be represented by a 1037 01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:52,540 decimal, you know, notation, number and even. But so the XML 1038 01:03:52,840 --> 01:04:00,360 parser that I use, called fast XML parser, is it has a bunch of 1039 01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:05,820 controls for to get around this, but none of them, like, none of 1040 01:04:05,820 --> 01:04:10,620 them work very well. Like, it's very poorly documented aspect of 1041 01:04:10,620 --> 01:04:15,600 this, of this parser of to try to tell it not to parse things 1042 01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:19,620 as a number. And none of them, 1043 01:04:19,620 --> 01:04:23,360 Adam Curry: you know what this is Don't you, we need to praise 1044 01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,520 God for finding this bug for us 1045 01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:33,500 Dave Jones: through the Bible. Yeah, specifically, Isaiah 1046 01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:39,260 Unknown: will be incomplete. 1047 01:04:41,060 --> 01:04:44,200 Adam Curry: Yes. Thank you. Thank you. God, that was a good 1048 01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:47,320 bug. Find that's a good one. He broke the parser. 1049 01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:53,260 Dave Jones: Um, I got it fixed. But I don't like the way. 1050 01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,220 Unknown: I don't like the fix a Bible bug. There you go. It's a 1051 01:04:57,220 --> 01:05:00,960 Bible bug. It's a Bible bug again. Okay? Okay, so the fix, 1052 01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:02,880 yeah, gotcha. Well, the 1053 01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:11,700 Dave Jones: fix is ugly, right now it is, I see, because I'm 1054 01:05:11,700 --> 01:05:16,860 afraid, sorry, this could be a, this could be, like, one of 1055 01:05:16,860 --> 01:05:19,620 those things where you try to fix it and you end up having, 1056 01:05:19,620 --> 01:05:24,680 like, a, you know, bombing out the entire aggregator with some 1057 01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,800 weird thing that you don't understand because you're making 1058 01:05:28,340 --> 01:05:31,520 all the ways to fix this with the parser itself. With this 1059 01:05:31,580 --> 01:05:36,680 fast XML parser, are sort of like, uh, blunt instrument type 1060 01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:41,260 cases, yeah. Give me an example. Like, well, it's like, stop 1061 01:05:41,260 --> 01:05:44,740 parsing anything as a number. Oh, and I'm like, Well, you 1062 01:05:44,740 --> 01:05:48,520 know, I don't know what's going on there, right, right? I don't 1063 01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,520 want to just roll that thing out and then all of a sudden have 1064 01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:56,440 another cascade of bugs happen. So what I ended up doing for now 1065 01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:57,220 is I just 1066 01:05:57,820 --> 01:05:59,140 Adam Curry: um exception, 1067 01:06:00,340 --> 01:06:09,240 Dave Jones: exactly, manual, if eat ID equals, yeah, then don't, 1068 01:06:09,300 --> 01:06:12,060 you know, basically, just turn off all parsing for, for the 1069 01:06:12,060 --> 01:06:16,980 GUID field, right? So anyway, this, it's, it was, it was 1070 01:06:16,980 --> 01:06:19,560 interesting. You see the, I mean, when you get into RSS 1071 01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:22,760 parsing and you see the kitchen sink. Man, oh, you 1072 01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:24,620 Adam Curry: see, you see the kitchen sink. You see the 1073 01:06:24,620 --> 01:06:27,560 plumbing. You see that gob of hair down at the bottom of the 1074 01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:28,700 pipe. You see it all 1075 01:06:30,140 --> 01:06:31,700 Unknown: nasty, like, what 1076 01:06:31,700 --> 01:06:35,360 Dave Jones: even? What even are these goo? It's like, what is so 1077 01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:35,840 here's, 1078 01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:39,260 Adam Curry: yeah, what's the what's the generator? What was 1079 01:06:39,260 --> 01:06:40,520 the feed generator? 1080 01:06:41,180 --> 01:06:42,280 Dave Jones: Ooh, it's good question. Let 1081 01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,740 Unknown: me see here, because that's, let's go to the source, 1082 01:06:45,460 --> 01:06:50,020 not documented, okay, home baked monk, 1083 01:06:50,020 --> 01:06:57,460 Dave Jones: web master, the webmasters, uh, email addresses 1084 01:06:57,460 --> 01:07:04,800 in here it is. XB, 64, TG, three, YSC, at Leia makings.com, 1085 01:07:05,820 --> 01:07:10,860 space. Web monkey, which is not an I don't even understand what 1086 01:07:10,860 --> 01:07:13,200 that means. Whoa. Web monkey, web 1087 01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:16,020 Adam Curry: monkey, why does that sound familiar? Web monkey, 1088 01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:23,000 web monkey. Let me see what web monkey is. Web monkey is. 1089 01:07:23,300 --> 01:07:25,520 Dave Jones: Is that the guy that did the no agenda, website, 1090 01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:29,000 Adam Curry: no, his handle, no, that's, uh, no, code monkey. 1091 01:07:29,060 --> 01:07:39,260 He's codes, codes monkey. Web monkey reference, uh, hmm, 1092 01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:44,860 whatever happened to webmonkey.com I don't I just 1093 01:07:44,860 --> 01:07:50,500 remember code Yeah. I remember web monkey being some kind of, 1094 01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,140 yeah, web monkey, the site is gone, the site that turned 1095 01:07:56,140 --> 01:07:59,380 humble web developers into attention grabbing authors. 1096 01:08:01,660 --> 01:08:06,660 Dave Jones: Web Oh, web monkey. Was that that? Yeah, yeah. That 1097 01:08:06,660 --> 01:08:11,400 was the thing, like a tutorial side or something, I think. So 1098 01:08:11,940 --> 01:08:15,180 that's right, that's right. But these, I don't know what these 1099 01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:18,300 GUIDs are, so like this. This item is day 267 1100 01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,720 Adam Curry: Oh, that's got to be a Bible in a year thing, 1101 01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:31,760 Dave Jones: yes, day 267 in the GUID is 15.2. 67 what is I don't 1102 01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:32,360 know Isaiah. 1103 01:08:32,540 --> 01:08:35,720 Adam Curry: Isaiah 15. What? What? What book was it? 1104 01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:38,960 Dave Jones: Isaiah 3230. No, 1105 01:08:39,020 --> 01:08:40,900 Adam Curry: can't, no, can't. I 1106 01:08:42,039 --> 01:08:44,919 Dave Jones: understand now what they're doing? Oh, okay, okay, 1107 01:08:44,919 --> 01:08:48,219 so, so, since they're doing about days, you're gonna have a 1108 01:08:48,219 --> 01:08:53,199 day 26 and you're gonna have a day 260 Yes, okay, 1109 01:08:54,460 --> 01:08:57,820 Adam Curry: day delimiter. That's what it is, yeah, 1110 01:08:57,880 --> 01:08:59,980 Dave Jones: yeah, yeah. That's what it is that if they had put 1111 01:08:59,980 --> 01:09:04,080 something else in there, like, like, even one single letter in 1112 01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:07,500 the GUID, then it would not have parsed that way, but, but we 1113 01:09:07,500 --> 01:09:10,140 need to be a business. Is not their fault. We need to be able 1114 01:09:10,140 --> 01:09:11,280 to handle whatever's thrown 1115 01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:14,579 Adam Curry: at us. Well, that's a good catch. That is weird. No, 1116 01:09:14,639 --> 01:09:17,999 I love how the whole community came together to figure that one 1117 01:09:17,999 --> 01:09:19,739 out. Well, now 1118 01:09:19,740 --> 01:09:21,560 Dave Jones: that I see that there's a whole bunch of these I 1119 01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,740 need. I'm gonna have to put in the better fix is going to be 1120 01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:32,480 just, just looking for this, you know, I mean pattern, the real, 1121 01:09:32,480 --> 01:09:38,720 the real fix is road pipe, yeah, there you go, grip pipe. There 1122 01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:39,860 you go. Got it? That's, 1123 01:09:39,859 --> 01:09:41,559 Unknown: that's my solution to everything, 1124 01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:45,640 red jacks, 1125 01:09:48,159 --> 01:09:51,159 Dave Jones: yeah, the fit, yeah, the right fix is to just Yeah, 1126 01:09:51,699 --> 01:09:54,279 create the Tweak the parser where it's not doing this with 1127 01:09:54,279 --> 01:09:57,699 Adam Curry: that solves. I have a two minute and 28 second song 1128 01:09:57,699 --> 01:10:02,099 for us today. Yay. Uh. Which is brand new from Ainsley Costello. 1129 01:10:02,099 --> 01:10:07,019 I would play anything by Ainsley sound unheard, sight, unseen, 1130 01:10:08,279 --> 01:10:11,699 and she's got some some nice guitar licks in this one, so 1131 01:10:11,699 --> 01:10:14,399 we'll play it. It has changed your mind. New from Ainsley 1132 01:10:14,399 --> 01:10:15,959 Costello looks 1133 01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:21,020 Unknown: nice on a screen, straight out of a magazine. Go 1134 01:10:21,020 --> 01:10:26,240 ahead, show some skin. Doesn't mean that it's for him. He makes 1135 01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:29,960 a joke. It doesn't land. Doesn't mean that you have to laugh. Put 1136 01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,900 his hands on your back. You can say, I don't like that if you 1137 01:10:32,900 --> 01:10:35,960 can't be grateful today. Doesn't mean that you have to take a 1138 01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:43,780 home. You can kiss in the dark while parked in 1139 01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:54,400 the car. Everything going on your thought at night, nothing's 1140 01:10:54,760 --> 01:11:00,840 going to change. Anybody can change 1141 01:11:05,939 --> 01:11:13,559 your mind if you have to pull away, don't have to feel any 1142 01:11:13,559 --> 01:11:15,839 shame. It's not your fault. You're not to blame. You don't 1143 01:11:15,839 --> 01:11:21,559 know of anything if you came, they paid for The day. For You, 1144 01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:26,360 nothing set in stone, and you can change your I've been there 1145 01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:30,860 before, and he may want more. And this isn't going on. You 1146 01:12:30,860 --> 01:12:34,220 thought it might, nothing set in stone, and you can change your 1147 01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:34,760 mind, 1148 01:12:35,420 --> 01:12:38,300 Adam Curry: fresh new music from Ainslie Costello in the 1149 01:12:38,300 --> 01:12:41,500 boardroom. Change your mind. Now available everywhere in the 1150 01:12:41,500 --> 01:12:42,340 value verse, 1151 01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:46,239 Dave Jones: that's a good one. Yeah, she does, yeah. 1152 01:12:46,239 --> 01:12:49,119 Adam Curry: I like that guitar, man, I like that. That sound 1153 01:12:49,119 --> 01:12:50,919 like a real guitar guy, too. 1154 01:12:51,939 --> 01:12:54,459 Dave Jones: A real guitar, yeah, not fake fake guitar. Fake 1155 01:12:54,460 --> 01:12:56,920 Adam Curry: guitar guy. Like a real guitar guy, exactly. 1156 01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:03,540 Dave Jones: So you, you said PayPal is gonna take Bitcoin 1157 01:13:04,020 --> 01:13:06,900 payments. Can Do Do you know any more information about that? So 1158 01:13:06,900 --> 01:13:07,860 Dvorak 1159 01:13:09,180 --> 01:13:13,560 Adam Curry: sent me an email. He was mad. It's like, heads up, 1160 01:13:13,860 --> 01:13:20,480 good news and bad news. He said, bad news. First, PayPal is 1161 01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:23,660 breaking all their existing links because we have a PayPal 1162 01:13:23,660 --> 01:13:31,520 rep, we have a we have an actual human we can contact, and they 1163 01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:35,060 say, Well, we're going to train you on how to do the new links 1164 01:13:35,060 --> 01:13:40,600 so all legacy links will apparently break. That was the 1165 01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:44,500 bad news, and that's where John was mad, like it's it, let's 1166 01:13:44,500 --> 01:13:47,020 break something that's doesn't need fixing. Let's fix 1167 01:13:47,020 --> 01:13:50,500 something, doesn't he break? It isn't broken. There you go. And 1168 01:13:50,500 --> 01:13:53,980 he said the good news is they told him on the phone that they 1169 01:13:53,980 --> 01:13:57,280 will be accepting bitcoin payments straight through to 1170 01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:01,860 fiat. So you send a Bitcoin, and I don't know if that's on chain 1171 01:14:01,860 --> 01:14:04,560 only, or if they'll do lightning, but I'm pretty sure 1172 01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:10,500 if they don't do it now, they will, and then you receive it in 1173 01:14:10,500 --> 01:14:15,840 your PayPal account as fiat money, and that will that for 1174 01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:21,020 Dvorak is okay, Which means we can finally start accepting 1175 01:14:21,020 --> 01:14:27,020 bitcoin on no agenda. And, of course, I hope, I hope that they 1176 01:14:27,020 --> 01:14:28,040 implement lightning. 1177 01:14:30,979 --> 01:14:33,259 Dave Jones: Let's see, let me, let me look at there's 1178 01:14:33,260 --> 01:14:34,760 Adam Curry: no announcement as far as I know. 1179 01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:39,260 Dave Jones: Okay, I thought, because I think I got it. I 1180 01:14:39,260 --> 01:14:42,160 think I saw a news article about it that mentioned it, though 1181 01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:46,720 really may have been Bitcoin magazine that would be 1182 01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:57,340 surprising looking articles. What do you bet that this? Here 1183 01:14:57,340 --> 01:15:00,600 it is. You have PayPal enables business accounts to. Buy, hold 1184 01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:03,420 and sell Bitcoin and crypto. Okay, so that may, that's, 1185 01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:04,860 that's it, yeah, that's 1186 01:15:04,860 --> 01:15:06,300 Adam Curry: different. That's different. 1187 01:15:07,620 --> 01:15:09,420 Dave Jones: Do y'all have a y'all are business account? I'm 1188 01:15:09,420 --> 01:15:11,700 Unknown: assuming that. Oh, yeah, okay, yeah. 1189 01:15:13,260 --> 01:15:19,380 Dave Jones: But I mean, at least y'all see, okay, here. So you, 1190 01:15:19,380 --> 01:15:26,960 you just jog my memory on this new media, show your PayPal link 1191 01:15:27,020 --> 01:15:29,600 in your funding tag, Todd and Rob is broken. 1192 01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:31,400 Unknown: Uh oh, 1193 01:15:32,179 --> 01:15:34,399 Dave Jones: if you click, if you click through on your funding 1194 01:15:34,399 --> 01:15:38,119 tag, link it, it code goes to a page on paypal.com that says 1195 01:15:38,119 --> 01:15:42,399 something's not right. This page does not exist. So whatever it 1196 01:15:42,399 --> 01:15:44,019 is you you got to fix that. 1197 01:15:45,340 --> 01:15:47,860 Adam Curry: Yeah, I had to fix the one on currying, the keeper. 1198 01:15:48,940 --> 01:15:52,120 Was it broken? Yeah, it was still going. It was still going 1199 01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:57,520 to, what's that? The same thing we had to change on the index 1200 01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:00,600 for the on change stuff. What was that thing called? Oh, Tally 1201 01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:04,500 coin. Tally coin, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're still going there. 1202 01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:05,280 So I changed, oh, 1203 01:16:05,279 --> 01:16:11,519 Dave Jones: I put out a put out another audiobook, yeah. Oh, it 1204 01:16:11,519 --> 01:16:15,059 is. And this time I did, you know, I'm doing the tour of 1205 01:16:15,059 --> 01:16:16,019 hosting companies. 1206 01:16:16,500 --> 01:16:18,300 Adam Curry: Oh, what's it? What's it called, I want to 1207 01:16:18,300 --> 01:16:19,200 subscribe. 1208 01:16:20,399 --> 01:16:24,199 Dave Jones: This is called an occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge 1209 01:16:24,859 --> 01:16:27,979 by Ambrose Bierce. I will link it. 1210 01:16:28,399 --> 01:16:31,459 Adam Curry: Oh, there you go in the boardroom. Do you mind if I 1211 01:16:31,459 --> 01:16:32,779 play a little a piece of it? 1212 01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:34,580 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, feel free. 1213 01:16:36,739 --> 01:16:41,379 Adam Curry: Banjo, yeah. Are you playing the banjo? Yeah, that's 1214 01:16:41,379 --> 01:16:44,619 me. Oh, man, I love you. Dave Jones, you're so awesome. 1215 01:16:44,620 --> 01:16:47,080 Dave Jones: A man stood upon a railroad bridge in Northern 1216 01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:52,300 Alabama, looking down into the swift water 20 feet below. The 1217 01:16:52,300 --> 01:16:56,440 man's hands were behind his back, and he jumped down with a 1218 01:16:56,440 --> 01:16:56,860 cord. 1219 01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:01,680 Adam Curry: Cool. I'll listen to that. I'll listen to your 1220 01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:04,980 audiobooks. One episode on more coming. Or is the whole thing in 1221 01:17:04,980 --> 01:17:07,380 one one deal, one 1222 01:17:07,440 --> 01:17:08,520 Dave Jones: miss, short story. Nice 1223 01:17:08,580 --> 01:17:10,860 Adam Curry: picture is that AI picture is that the real deal 1224 01:17:10,860 --> 01:17:11,340 is, 1225 01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:12,660 Dave Jones: it is mid journey. 1226 01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:13,680 Adam Curry: Nice. 1227 01:17:14,100 --> 01:17:16,320 Dave Jones: I'm starting to get a I'm starting to get the hang 1228 01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:21,500 of of the whole mid journey theme. You have to, it's like, 1229 01:17:21,500 --> 01:17:26,900 you have to to get something that doesn't look like typical 1230 01:17:26,900 --> 01:17:30,560 mid journey fluff, you have to tell it things like, don't 1231 01:17:30,559 --> 01:17:33,079 Adam Curry: look like mid journey. Fluff, yeah, yeah, 1232 01:17:33,079 --> 01:17:34,519 stupid stuff like that, yeah. 1233 01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:38,960 Dave Jones: You have to say things like, it is so funny how 1234 01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:44,020 you reverse engineer it? No, you first you have to know that 1235 01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,560 everything that is getting all of its content from the 1236 01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:52,540 internet, yeah, so then you think like you would with an 1237 01:17:52,540 --> 01:18:00,040 internet site, so you can say things like a picture taken with 1238 01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:04,200 a Nikon camera, right? And that's probably going to be 1239 01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:07,500 starting to pull off things like flickerish, type, size that are 1240 01:18:07,500 --> 01:18:13,200 actual pictures. Yeah, you're sort of gaming the system. From 1241 01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:16,620 the standpoint of it's all it's ripping off other people's 1242 01:18:16,620 --> 01:18:22,340 content. I like it. I like it. But anyway that so I did this 1243 01:18:22,340 --> 01:18:23,060 one on rss.com, 1244 01:18:25,220 --> 01:18:27,560 Adam Curry: and your experience. Are you going to do a review 1245 01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:30,200 later, an audiobook about your trip around all the hosting 1246 01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:31,400 companies, the 1247 01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:34,100 Dave Jones: tour of hosting companies? Yes, maybe I should. 1248 01:18:34,100 --> 01:18:36,920 I should put that out. Yeah, I should do that. All right, I'm 1249 01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:38,360 going to keep everybody mad at me. 1250 01:18:38,359 --> 01:18:40,459 Adam Curry: I'm gonna keep you on a schedule, baby. It says 1251 01:18:40,459 --> 01:18:43,119 summer hours. So Dave's, Dave's got to go back to the day job. 1252 01:18:43,119 --> 01:18:45,999 So I'm going to thank a few people. Oh, already, 1253 01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,340 Dave Jones: well, I didn't give my review of my rss.com, 1254 01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:53,560 Unknown: uh, experience. I'm sorry. Do your do your review? 1255 01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:55,000 It was great. 1256 01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:03,720 Dave Jones: They have audio, auto transcripts. 1257 01:19:04,440 --> 01:19:07,200 Adam Curry: You should do a review podcast. Today's review 1258 01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:09,540 is rss.com, it was great. 1259 01:19:10,500 --> 01:19:12,420 Dave Jones: And then banjo, and then the banjo 1260 01:19:14,580 --> 01:19:16,560 Unknown: outro, play us out. 1261 01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:21,920 Dave Jones: Play us out, baby. The UI is great. They have auto 1262 01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:24,380 transcripts, which was nice, so I was able to just go 1263 01:19:24,440 --> 01:19:27,260 transcript. Didn't have to do anything extra, yeah, just hit 1264 01:19:27,260 --> 01:19:31,340 the button. They had Albi integrated into the UI, so I 1265 01:19:31,340 --> 01:19:36,920 just put in my Albi address, and it nice stuck, it stuck a value 1266 01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:39,440 block in there, and they said, and they gave a little button 1267 01:19:39,440 --> 01:19:42,100 that said, Do you want to add us as a split? And I was like, 1268 01:19:42,100 --> 01:19:43,420 Yeah, sure. Added them as a split. 1269 01:19:44,739 --> 01:19:45,459 Adam Curry: Um, oh, nice 1270 01:19:45,939 --> 01:19:48,819 Dave Jones: pod. Ping. Shot it into the index. Immediately 1271 01:19:48,819 --> 01:19:52,779 created, created the entry, perfect. And then they allowed 1272 01:19:52,779 --> 01:19:56,079 me to put a pod role. So I put a pod role in there with all your 1273 01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:58,360 Unknown: other all your other books, all your other 1274 01:19:58,359 --> 01:20:00,479 Dave Jones: books, other short stories. Yeah, no. Yep. So it 1275 01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:02,759 was great, good interface, great, great experience. I 1276 01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:04,500 Adam Curry: will be listening this Buzzsprout. I will be 1277 01:20:04,500 --> 01:20:07,980 listening to this audiobook on my walk right after the show 1278 01:20:07,980 --> 01:20:09,960 with Phoebe. And 1279 01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:16,560 Dave Jones: I think so I'm doing Buzzsprout next. And I think our 1280 01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:22,940 rss.com and Buzzsprout both require you they can, they can 1281 01:20:22,940 --> 01:20:26,240 tag it as an audio as a medium equals audiobook, you, but you 1282 01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:29,000 have to just tell you have to contact support and ask them for 1283 01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:29,180 it. 1284 01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:32,000 Adam Curry: I was just about to ask, did you do that? 1285 01:20:32,900 --> 01:20:35,000 Dave Jones: I did. I just contacted Alberto, and he was 1286 01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:35,960 like, he said, done. 1287 01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:40,960 Adam Curry: Let me just check. Let me say, just verify. Oh, 1288 01:20:41,140 --> 01:20:42,400 Dave Jones: trust, but verify good 1289 01:20:42,399 --> 01:20:48,279 Adam Curry: ideas Medium. Medium equals audiobook, beautiful, 1290 01:20:49,239 --> 01:20:53,199 yes, sir, good job. You need to have their background music 1291 01:20:53,199 --> 01:20:54,219 equals banjo 1292 01:20:56,859 --> 01:20:59,259 Dave Jones: tag for Banjo. Banjo tag. We 1293 01:20:59,620 --> 01:21:02,640 Adam Curry: want to thank Harv hat for boosting in during the 1294 01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:11,400 show with 17,776 SATs, a big independence boost. Silas on 1295 01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:14,520 Linux has been boosting all day long. 500 SATs from fountain. 1296 01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:17,700 Just an idea. Adding text into the funding tag to be displayed 1297 01:21:17,700 --> 01:21:19,980 in a button would be would that be too much like if the 1298 01:21:19,980 --> 01:21:23,540 podcaster decides to put donate or support, or if they want to 1299 01:21:23,540 --> 01:21:26,060 link to a charity or something else, text for the button 1300 01:21:26,060 --> 01:21:29,060 itself, or description of some sort interesting idea, it's 1301 01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:30,920 already there, is there? There's 1302 01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:34,040 Dave Jones: already a textual component to it. Oh, is that 1303 01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:38,360 true? Yeah. I mean, like the funding, there's a link text 1304 01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:43,120 fund, you have a link, and then you have the text for the 1305 01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:44,980 funding for the link. 1306 01:21:44,979 --> 01:21:47,499 Adam Curry: Let me see, let me see where it's in there already, 1307 01:21:48,459 --> 01:21:53,799 it's under show info. I'm just looking at curio caster, Owner, 1308 01:21:53,799 --> 01:21:59,199 info, support links. Oh, yeah, phrase to ask for support, yeah, 1309 01:21:59,199 --> 01:22:03,539 that would be nice. Real estate is always tough. Real estate is 1310 01:22:03,539 --> 01:22:07,319 always tough on on the apps, though, yeah, for sure, we got 1311 01:22:07,319 --> 01:22:12,719 to bear that in mind. Good idea. It's done another happy 1312 01:22:12,719 --> 01:22:18,539 customer, raw ducks from salty crayon howdy boardroom just 1313 01:22:18,539 --> 01:22:21,259 wanted to say thanks to Chadha for helping Oscar be aware of 1314 01:22:21,259 --> 01:22:23,839 fountain users not being able to boost the artist directly 1315 01:22:23,839 --> 01:22:27,859 because of a broken value time split and not showing up in 1316 01:22:27,859 --> 01:22:30,499 helipad. All good. So far. Thanks, brother. Go podcasting. 1317 01:22:30,499 --> 01:22:33,439 Yes, yes. I saw that conversation too. That was a 1318 01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:38,779 great debug that went so fast that was fantastic. It was fixed 1319 01:22:38,779 --> 01:22:39,739 very, very quickly. 1320 01:22:39,919 --> 01:22:41,199 Dave Jones: Fill me in on what you're talking 1321 01:22:41,199 --> 01:22:45,039 Adam Curry: about. Oh, so in the you know, just another bug found 1322 01:22:45,999 --> 01:22:55,599 the fountain was not sending along the the TLV records on a 1323 01:22:55,599 --> 01:22:56,319 value time 1324 01:22:56,320 --> 01:23:00,400 Dave Jones: split, yeah, okay, yeah. 1000 stats from 1325 01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:03,660 Adam Curry: Sam Seth, the true fans has already extended the 1326 01:23:03,660 --> 01:23:07,620 podcast taxonomy in our app to include a label for AI. We only 1327 01:23:07,620 --> 01:23:12,300 use this if the hosts are AI. EG, Google notes LM, but they 1328 01:23:12,300 --> 01:23:14,580 should have it just, just automatically filter it to its 1329 01:23:14,580 --> 01:23:17,040 own podcast. It's always the same. It's the same. Two people 1330 01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:22,040 we need. Someone gave me, sent me a they uploaded a manual for 1331 01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:27,020 their Sony head unit for their car stereo. No way. 1332 01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:28,520 Unknown: It's hilarious. 1333 01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:32,420 Dave Jones: Super funny. I can play that as a podcast. I 1334 01:23:32,419 --> 01:23:33,319 Adam Curry: can play a little bit. 1335 01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:38,600 Bag: So, yeah, you're about to install a new car stereo. Tools, 1336 01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:40,220 ready, assignment building. 1337 01:23:40,279 --> 01:23:42,399 Adam Curry: But there's something hilarious right in the 1338 01:23:42,399 --> 01:23:43,119 beginning. Wait for 1339 01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:46,720 Bag: it before you toss those instruction manuals aside. Yeah, 1340 01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:47,020 hold 1341 01:23:47,020 --> 01:23:48,640 Douche: on, hold on. Don't do that. We're 1342 01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:52,120 Bag: actually diving into that often ignored treasure trove of 1343 01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:56,860 knowledge today with the Sony Xav 1500 e manual. Yeah? 1344 01:23:56,860 --> 01:23:59,440 Douche: Because honestly, those manuals are way more 1345 01:23:59,440 --> 01:24:01,200 interesting. Oh 1346 01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:03,180 Adam Curry: yeah, they're way more interesting. Now wait for 1347 01:24:03,180 --> 01:24:03,720 it like it's 1348 01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:06,540 Bag: not just about connecting wires. It's about unlocking a 1349 01:24:06,540 --> 01:24:09,660 whole world of features and understanding the tech that's 1350 01:24:09,660 --> 01:24:12,360 shaping the modern driving experience. It's 1351 01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:14,400 Douche: true. And this Sony manual, well, let me tell you, 1352 01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:16,620 it doesn't disappoint. I mean, where else are you gonna find a 1353 01:24:16,620 --> 01:24:18,900 warning about not eating batteries? Right off the bat? 1354 01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:19,680 Seriously, 1355 01:24:19,860 --> 01:24:22,280 Bag: page one, safety precautions, and boom, there it 1356 01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:23,660 is. Do not ingest the battery. 1357 01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:31,039 Unknown: That that is actually pretty good. That was the 1358 01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:33,740 Adam Curry: first funny thing AI has ever generated by itself 1359 01:24:33,740 --> 01:24:37,100 without even trying to be funny. That's what made it so good. He 1360 01:24:37,100 --> 01:24:40,940 just got 5000 from C loss on Linux. Well, there you go. Lol, 1361 01:24:40,940 --> 01:24:43,840 I didn't know it had a texting already. Didn't want to look 1362 01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:46,060 through the tag specific on my phone and hadn't used the 1363 01:24:46,060 --> 01:24:50,140 funding tag yet. Just came to mind. Okay, brother, no problem. 1364 01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:55,240 Thank you, Eric. PP, for your 3333 we move on to, let's say 1365 01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:59,200 Sam set the right. Not all AI needs to be labeled. Thank you, 1366 01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:02,700 Sam. You. Another 1000s from Sam, like Mastodon, he says, Add 1367 01:25:02,700 --> 01:25:05,580 a real equals me to the href, and now you have a verification. 1368 01:25:05,580 --> 01:25:07,860 Well, that could be done at any time. That's the easy way to do 1369 01:25:07,860 --> 01:25:12,720 it. Triple sevens from Sam. Wow. How funny. A virtual podcast sub 1370 01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:16,500 it. I think there's sarcasm in there. No idea about it as no 1371 01:25:16,500 --> 01:25:20,040 invite, so no mention on pod news weekly. Well, that's there 1372 01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:23,540 you go, I suggest this. I suggested this online event back 1373 01:25:23,540 --> 01:25:27,320 in April as I did two online podcast festivals in 2019 with 1374 01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:30,920 Kara Swisher and James Cridland. Is there an archive of that? I'd 1375 01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:35,000 love to hear that my online podcast 2.0 event was poo pooed 1376 01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:38,780 by the PSP group, so they wanted an IRL event at Podcast 1377 01:25:38,780 --> 01:25:42,700 Movement, but no uptake, so I'm doing an IRL podcast 2.0 event 1378 01:25:42,700 --> 01:25:45,940 in May of 2025, guess this event is the same format as Ainsley 1379 01:25:45,940 --> 01:25:50,140 music event. Say La vie. All right, well, I wouldn't take it 1380 01:25:50,140 --> 01:25:56,080 personally. Sam, we have another 5000 from C loss on Linux. He 1381 01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:58,660 says, there, I believe is already a thing called Social 1382 01:25:58,660 --> 01:26:01,920 AI. It's social media, but everything is AI generated, 1383 01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:04,680 everything, profiles and posts and everything. I didn't try it. 1384 01:26:04,860 --> 01:26:08,340 I think it's iOS only. The most tech bro idea possible. We have 1385 01:26:08,340 --> 01:26:10,980 moved far away from the invention of the telephone tech 1386 01:26:10,980 --> 01:26:16,260 used to connect people far apart. Yes, banned a bad career 1387 01:26:16,260 --> 01:26:21,080 advice. Chad. Will there be any podcasting? 2.0 contingent at 1388 01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:23,360 permissionless three in October. 1389 01:26:24,019 --> 01:26:24,979 Dave Jones: Well, what is that? 1390 01:26:24,979 --> 01:26:27,739 Adam Curry: I don't know. Permissionless conference sounds 1391 01:26:27,739 --> 01:26:30,259 like another Bitcoin Conference. Probably 1392 01:26:30,440 --> 01:26:33,080 Dave Jones: permissionless three. I've not heard of that. 1393 01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:33,560 Yes 1394 01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:39,380 Adam Curry: is the answer. No, no, yes, and then we're into the 1395 01:26:39,380 --> 01:26:41,860 I do a pre stream. So a lot of people boosted for the pre 1396 01:26:41,860 --> 01:26:44,500 stream stuff and missionless three 1397 01:26:44,500 --> 01:26:47,080 Dave Jones: from block works. Oh yeah, there's a conference for 1398 01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:51,040 founders, application developers and users. Yes, yikes. No, 1399 01:26:51,340 --> 01:26:53,380 Adam Curry: all right, why don't you tell me what kind of boost 1400 01:26:53,380 --> 01:26:54,400 you got there? Uh, Dave, 1401 01:26:55,420 --> 01:27:00,040 Dave Jones: oh, I guess. Well, I forgot, I left the office and 1402 01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:04,440 forgot to write down the PayPals this morning, and so I'm gonna 1403 01:27:04,440 --> 01:27:07,500 have to they're all mixed in. So I'm gonna have to read them off 1404 01:27:07,500 --> 01:27:13,980 my email, which I hate. So let's see my Michael Goggin, $5 these 1405 01:27:13,980 --> 01:27:16,980 are the monthlies and the and the one timers. Yeah, they're 1406 01:27:16,980 --> 01:27:20,300 mixed. Yeah. Michael Goggin, $5 thank you, Michael. Uh. Jorge 1407 01:27:20,300 --> 01:27:28,040 Hernandez, $5 Charles current, $5 Christopher reamer, $10 thank 1408 01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:32,840 you. Christopher Cohen glasbach, $5 one day I'm gonna realize I'm 1409 01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:36,320 gonna come to understand I've been saying his name wrong for 1410 01:27:36,740 --> 01:27:43,300 four years. James Sullivan, $10 thank James. This was the, okay, 1411 01:27:43,300 --> 01:27:47,680 this is a one off. This was of $17.01 which we know is a Star 1412 01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:51,700 Trek donation. Yes, we do from Archie. And he says, here to 1413 01:27:51,700 --> 01:27:53,080 help, go podcasting. Yeah, 1414 01:27:53,140 --> 01:27:53,920 Adam Curry: thank you, Archie. 1415 01:27:55,000 --> 01:28:01,620 Dave Jones: I wonder if that's, I wonder if that is pseudo or, 1416 01:28:01,980 --> 01:28:08,340 I'm sorry, what's his handle? You know Archie that helps 1417 01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,100 assist admins for Mitch and the pod verse Boy, 1418 01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:15,180 Adam Curry: oh, I don't know his handle. It's like su pipe. Pipe, 1419 01:28:15,180 --> 01:28:19,560 yeah. Su pipe. Pipe, find the device. 1420 01:28:20,580 --> 01:28:24,740 Dave Jones: Super. Pipe, right? Uh, Jordan dunville, $10 and 1421 01:28:24,740 --> 01:28:26,900 thank you. Jordan. Uh, drip. Scott, $15 1422 01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:27,859 Unknown: thank you. 1423 01:28:27,859 --> 01:28:33,079 Dave Jones: Thank you. Dr. Michael Kimmerer, $5.33 Chris 1424 01:28:33,079 --> 01:28:37,939 bernardik, $5 and that's it. That's our that's our PayPal so 1425 01:28:37,939 --> 01:28:38,959 I can get some boost. So 1426 01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:41,020 Adam Curry: thank everybody. Appreciate it so much. 1427 01:28:41,980 --> 01:28:48,040 Dave Jones: Let's see. And okay, this is how Pro I am now, uh oh, 1428 01:28:49,060 --> 01:28:55,120 that I realized that I forgot to send the boosts before I left 1429 01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:59,380 the office. And I did that while we were talking about grippipe, 1430 01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:04,620 wow, pulled out my laptop, remote, it in to the office 1431 01:29:04,620 --> 01:29:10,380 machine. No, to my to the to the server. Pipal server, yeah, 1432 01:29:10,380 --> 01:29:13,560 instant thing, well, and you never even knew it. No, 1433 01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:15,900 Adam Curry: I had no idea. Just like I do those end of show 1434 01:29:15,900 --> 01:29:18,180 ISOs, you never know I'm doing it. I never even know 1435 01:29:19,620 --> 01:29:24,680 Dave Jones: the beauty of audio, yes. Cole McCormick, 2222 he 1436 01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:28,220 says, Dave, the magic of mid journey is not that it spits out 1437 01:29:28,220 --> 01:29:30,920 something pretty decent the first time there's a new type of 1438 01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:33,860 creative process you need to experiment with. It's not just 1439 01:29:33,860 --> 01:29:38,660 about variants. Use the blend feature and describe look at how 1440 01:29:38,660 --> 01:29:41,500 it describes your personal images and craft your prompts 1441 01:29:41,500 --> 01:29:46,720 based on that, give it specific instructions on how the logo is 1442 01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:52,060 shaped. If you use, if you used quote, a logo for unquote, then 1443 01:29:52,060 --> 01:29:54,580 I see why you feel the way you do. But in my opinion, there is 1444 01:29:54,580 --> 01:29:57,100 something special about mid journey. I used it for my short 1445 01:29:57,100 --> 01:30:00,600 film and a drop ship. Drop shipping store. And was very 1446 01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:03,900 pleased with what I got. Experiment more. Okay. Well, I 1447 01:30:03,900 --> 01:30:06,900 am, I am experimenting. Yep. Thank you, Cole. Appreciate that 1448 01:30:06,900 --> 01:30:10,740 advice. Gina Everett, 3333 through fountain. He says I will 1449 01:30:10,740 --> 01:30:13,740 give fountain some grace. Just been frustrated at the nostra 1450 01:30:13,740 --> 01:30:16,260 switch up. Fountain was finally way less buggy for the past 1451 01:30:16,260 --> 01:30:18,660 year. But I understand they're trying the best 1452 01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:20,660 Adam Curry: and working hard. Oh yeah. Just really, yeah, we had 1453 01:30:20,660 --> 01:30:24,440 asked them to give, give the dev some grace, and 1454 01:30:24,440 --> 01:30:27,320 Dave Jones: he did. And he's he finishes by saying, all love. So 1455 01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:31,820 yes, thank you. Gene, appreciate that brother. Chris lass, that's 1456 01:30:31,820 --> 01:30:34,940 Chris from Jupiter broadcasting, yeah, 20,000 SaaS through 1457 01:30:34,940 --> 01:30:37,280 fountain. He says, just wanted to say, I really appreciate the 1458 01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:40,720 work you guys do behind the scenes for for the US podcasters 1459 01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:43,900 out here also, plus one to the idea of putting the on chain 1460 01:30:43,900 --> 01:30:46,960 address in the funding tag. Yeah, I've definitely heard from 1461 01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:49,660 a few listeners who would support via on chain, because 1462 01:30:49,660 --> 01:30:52,360 that's what they already have, where they already have their 1463 01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:53,500 SATs. Oh, good. 1464 01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:56,320 Adam Curry: It's a good idea. I just opened up. Yeah? He just 1465 01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:59,560 sent me an email. Chris is like, Hey, man, can I have a big boy 1466 01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:02,340 channel from the index, big boys, 1467 01:31:03,300 --> 01:31:04,920 Unknown: I'm no kind of man, yeah, 1468 01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:07,680 Adam Curry: we opened a big boy channel to to Chris over there 1469 01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:10,140 at Jupiter, because he's getting a lot of boosts on that this 1470 01:31:10,140 --> 01:31:14,340 week in Bitcoin show. So good. Yeah, Chris, 1471 01:31:14,340 --> 01:31:17,700 Dave Jones: last again, 20,000 SAS they found. He says, in my 1472 01:31:17,700 --> 01:31:20,720 humble opinion, we have let the crypto skeptics get inside our 1473 01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:23,780 heads. I think as a community, we should lean into the fact 1474 01:31:23,780 --> 01:31:27,020 that boosts are powered by a Bitcoin. As a small business, 1475 01:31:27,020 --> 01:31:30,380 I'm grateful to have support and a hard asset. It's helped me 1476 01:31:30,380 --> 01:31:33,980 fight inflation and keep my head above water. Bitcoin is an 1477 01:31:33,980 --> 01:31:36,740 intelligence test, and I don't need everyone in the world 1478 01:31:36,740 --> 01:31:40,100 listening. I want a great audience, but not the biggest 1479 01:31:40,100 --> 01:31:43,180 audience possible. These are the things we should lean into as 1480 01:31:43,180 --> 01:31:45,640 podcasting community, trying to offer an alternative to 1481 01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:48,220 mainstream crap. Go podcasting. I'm 1482 01:31:48,220 --> 01:31:52,720 Adam Curry: gonna disagree really with my part with with 1483 01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:57,700 the Go Go podcasting. No, I'm gonna disagree with that. We 1484 01:31:57,700 --> 01:32:04,260 should only be showing boosts in SATs. I think some apps can any 1485 01:32:04,260 --> 01:32:06,480 app can choose whatever they want to do, but I think there's 1486 01:32:06,480 --> 01:32:10,800 a bigger audience. And here's a Bitcoin podcast. So I 1487 01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:14,700 understand. I think we need to have, I'd love to have both, 1488 01:32:15,180 --> 01:32:20,360 some show both, most don't. I think in order to get the 1489 01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:28,100 general audience in you need to show fiat money. So I'm just, 1490 01:32:28,100 --> 01:32:32,600 I'm just not all in on showing sets. I don't need to orange 1491 01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:33,560 peel everybody. 1492 01:32:36,620 --> 01:32:39,200 Dave Jones: That's, I think we're gonna end up with both 1493 01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:40,100 solutions anyway. 1494 01:32:40,220 --> 01:32:43,660 Unknown: Oh, I hope so, yeah. I want both for sure. Yeah, yeah. 1495 01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:48,940 Dave Jones: Gene bean, not. Who is not? Gene Everett, 1337, 1496 01:32:50,140 --> 01:32:52,720 through. Cast O Matic, he says, Gravatar is still a thing that's 1497 01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:53,560 widely supported. 1498 01:32:54,100 --> 01:32:56,260 Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah, I agree we can put it in. 1499 01:32:57,700 --> 01:33:01,440 Dave Jones: Gene bean again, 1337, the cast O Matic, he says, 1500 01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:04,140 For this banner and other extras for the feed, why are we 1501 01:33:04,140 --> 01:33:07,020 reinventing things? If we want to make something easily 1502 01:33:07,020 --> 01:33:10,500 consumable for sharing in many other things, we should start 1503 01:33:10,500 --> 01:33:15,060 with Open Graph as the base, a schema that's already, a schema 1504 01:33:15,060 --> 01:33:17,280 already exists, that supports many things, and could be 1505 01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:20,720 extended to have a podcast namespace, a lot structured data 1506 01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:27,920 under Data under a podcast namespace. How would that work? 1507 01:33:28,100 --> 01:33:30,200 Open Graph in RSS? 1508 01:33:32,420 --> 01:33:34,160 Adam Curry: Now that's an interesting thought. I have to 1509 01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:35,060 think about that. 1510 01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:41,860 Dave Jones: So guess, I'm guessing he's saying define an 1511 01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:46,960 OG namespace, an Open Graph namespace, is there one already? 1512 01:33:47,080 --> 01:33:50,800 Adam Curry: I don't know for some reason, it might be open 1513 01:33:50,799 --> 01:33:58,239 Dave Jones: graph name, space, XML, Open Graph namespace, 1514 01:33:58,239 --> 01:33:59,619 declaration, do, 1515 01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:15,360 I don't there's an XML and S for it, but I'll only see it used In 1516 01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:23,960 an HTML content XHTML context. But to look at the names, I have 1517 01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:27,620 to look at the XML, XML and s documents worth looking up, 1518 01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:31,220 because it is a pretty neat idea, yeah, because then you 1519 01:34:31,220 --> 01:34:39,080 could just stick that in there, yeah. Okay, onward. 1520 01:34:39,140 --> 01:34:41,320 Unknown: I gotta get you out. Onward. Oh, yeah, 1521 01:34:41,919 --> 01:34:44,259 Dave Jones: let's see. Where are we at? Gene bean again, through 1522 01:34:44,259 --> 01:34:47,019 fountain 2222 says, Come on, Adam, leave your hatred of 1523 01:34:47,019 --> 01:34:49,419 liberals and politics in general. To other shows. This is 1524 01:34:49,419 --> 01:34:51,699 podcast boardroom, not a political podcast. 1525 01:34:51,700 --> 01:34:52,480 Unknown: What did I do 1526 01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:54,939 Dave Jones: libtards on the last show? 1527 01:34:55,659 --> 01:34:58,839 Adam Curry: Oh yeah. But I was, I was actually being super kind 1528 01:34:58,839 --> 01:35:02,219 by giving Rachel Maddow. Know as a prime example and trying to 1529 01:35:02,219 --> 01:35:08,759 help her. Okay, all right, well, gee, sorry, didn't know you were 1530 01:35:08,759 --> 01:35:11,099 so please. 1531 01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:16,260 Dave Jones: Anonymous, 5000 SATs go podcasting. 1532 01:35:19,620 --> 01:35:20,700 Adam Curry: Thank you, anonymous. 1533 01:35:22,380 --> 01:35:26,180 Dave Jones: Let's see Anonymous. Anonymous podcast guru user 250 1534 01:35:26,780 --> 01:35:29,720 sets. Kara Fraser is a badass. 1535 01:35:30,260 --> 01:35:33,380 Adam Curry: Oh, that was a the song I think I played. Wow, 1536 01:35:33,380 --> 01:35:33,620 that's 1537 01:35:33,620 --> 01:35:35,960 Dave Jones: from an old episode. Yeah, that's from episode 189. 1538 01:35:36,380 --> 01:35:38,000 All carrot, no stick, yeah. 1539 01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:40,420 Adam Curry: People go back and check stuff, man, that was how 1540 01:35:40,420 --> 01:35:41,620 it goes. They're 1541 01:35:41,620 --> 01:35:46,240 Dave Jones: back cataloging us. Uh oh, here we go. Delimiter, 1542 01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:51,100 com, blogger 23,000 savage fountain Howdy, fellow 1543 01:35:51,100 --> 01:35:54,460 Bitcoiners, Adam and Dave. Today, I'd like to encourage 1544 01:35:54,460 --> 01:35:57,520 your Bitcoin savvy audience to donate to the podcast hosted by 1545 01:35:57,520 --> 01:36:00,960 Adam curry curry and the keeper. Yeah. Available@www.co available 1546 01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:05,640 at www dot curry and the keeper.com they need your 1547 01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:09,900 Bitcoin to rise on the V for V leaderboard. So don't hesitate. 1548 01:36:10,260 --> 01:36:13,620 Please send them some bitcoin Satoshis yo CSV, 1549 01:36:13,860 --> 01:36:15,720 Adam Curry: that's right, you know, curry and the keeper is 1550 01:36:15,780 --> 01:36:19,260 often in the top 10 on fountain. I'm very proud of that. We've 1551 01:36:19,260 --> 01:36:23,900 we've gotten our audience to to step up. It's good. It's good. 1552 01:36:23,899 --> 01:36:26,179 Dave Jones: We were fate. We were this year was fading, but 1553 01:36:26,179 --> 01:36:29,179 now we've staged a comeback. We have. 1554 01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:33,380 Adam Curry: And I just want to welcome Matthew, who was going 1555 01:36:33,380 --> 01:36:37,880 to be hired by Libsyn, who will apparently be interacting with 1556 01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:42,160 the 2.0 folks. That's the way it was brought to us. So Matthew 1557 01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:45,040 hit me up and we'll get you a podcasting next. Our social 1558 01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:46,240 login 1559 01:36:46,839 --> 01:36:49,959 Dave Jones: we have. We'll have Matthew on the show. There you 1560 01:36:49,959 --> 01:36:50,319 go. 1561 01:36:50,380 --> 01:36:52,840 Adam Curry: Excellent idea, Dave. I gotta get you out, 1562 01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:55,540 brother, I gotta get you back to work. Otherwise, you know, these 1563 01:36:55,540 --> 01:36:57,940 board meetings who might have a strike can't have that 1564 01:36:58,779 --> 01:37:00,819 Unknown: strike. Yes, yes. All right. 1565 01:37:00,939 --> 01:37:02,879 Dave Jones: I think we solved a lot of stuff today. We 1566 01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:05,760 Adam Curry: did. We did, once again, the board meeting is 1567 01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:09,960 genius. Have a great weekend, brother. No, you mean you too 1568 01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:12,780 and everybody in the boardroom. Thank you very much. Join me on 1569 01:37:12,780 --> 01:37:15,480 my social network, hashtag, Adam, we'll see you next week. 1570 01:37:15,480 --> 01:37:15,660 Good. 1571 01:37:31,700 --> 01:37:36,320 Unknown: You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 visit podcast 1572 01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:40,460 index.org for more information. Go podcasting. 1573 01:37:42,319 --> 01:37:43,299 Exception, of.