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Adam Curry: for October 4, 2024
episode 196, redneck Air Force.

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Hey everybody, it's time to get
your weekend started. You know

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what we do? We have a meeting,
but not just any old meeting. It

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is the official board meeting of
podcasting 2.0 where we

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discussed everything that's
happened in the past week, in

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the past 20 years, and for the
future 20 years, we are, in

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fact, the only boardroom that
never discusses our KPIs and

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EBITDA. I'm Adam curry here in
the heart of the Texas Hill

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Country in Alabama, the expert
who can answer the question,

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what is a podcast? Say hello to
my friend on the other end, the

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one and only Mr. Dave Jones,

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Dave Jones: the reason this
podcast does not have video is

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because of what is, because of
what just happened the you're

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doing the intro, and I'm just
shoving popcorn in my mouth as

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fast as I can, because I eat
lunch. Yeah,

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Adam Curry: you're actually on
your lunch hour. You You break,

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and you don't even take a break.
You're breaking from the day

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job, and you're just going
straight into the board meeting.

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While you're eating, there will
be popcorn in the boardroom,

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yes, at all times. And beef
milkshakes, you have a beef

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milk?

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Dave Jones: Oh yeah, oh yeah,
you got it right here. Do

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Adam Curry: you have a good beef
now? You're not, not that crap

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you were drinking last week,
because that was a chocolate.

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That was a problem. Was a
problem.

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Dave Jones: Back to God's
flavor. Jonathan feels

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Adam Curry: kind of bad doing a
fun, energetic show today. Why?

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You know, for the past seven
boom, thank you. For the past 72

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hours, I have been tuned into
the ham bands. I'm buying jet

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fuel and 100 ll at every airport
I can find. I mean, what is

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happening in western North
Carolina is messed up. Brother

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Dave Jones: can Okay, um, let
me, let me say we were going so

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me and me and Melissa were going
to go to, we've had this trip

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planned for months. We were
gonna go in October, the like,

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in a couple of weeks, we were
gonna go and hike a section of

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the Appalachian Trail, yeah,
that's clearly off, you know,

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off the table now, because of,
because of this so much damage

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to to the trail, yeah, so and,
and I've seen I've seen little

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I've been very busy, and I've
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coming out of North Carolina,
and I've seen some of the places

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that I'm familiar with, around
Asheville that got just

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destroyed, yeah, but like, can I
don't feel like I have a full

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scope of what's happened, do
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Adam Curry: Yes, I do, and I
think you don't have it by

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design. I'll give you the
abbreviated version, because we

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have a lot of producers in the
area, a lot of no agenda

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producers. I just become
acquainted with this guy,

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Justin, who has a shoe company,
op way Made in America, handmade

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leather sneakers, high end
stuff. And he just reached out

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to me, you know, a day before
the hurricane. It's like, yeah,

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I want to make a no agenda
sneaker. And we've been

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listening for, you know, 10
years, and we're millennials,

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and we love it, you know. And
and his entire factory is

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destroyed, and so he's been kind
of my boots on the ground, and

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he has, his brother is a
firefighter. He's about 30

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minutes outside of Asheville. He
says, okay, dude, it's not

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hundreds. There's 1000s of dead
1000s. He says, You have no idea

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how bad it is. There is no
response state or federal that

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they've seen and they've been
without power. They have a well,

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but they've been without power
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Dave Jones: Well, do they have a
well that can handle that means

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electric pump? Well,

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Adam Curry: yeah, he put a
generator on. He's he says he

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was lucky, because he's kind of
prepared, but you gotta imagine,

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like there's no electricity.
ATMs don't work. People don't

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have cash. I mean, it's just but
people are cut off from from all

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civilization up on the
mountaintops and so, as is

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typical in America, we just jump
in. And doesn't matter what your

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background, race, creed,
religion, age, political

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affiliation, none of that
matters. We all jump into

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chainsaws and you go, right? And
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there's this Redneck Air Force
That Is that has kind of

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assembled, and it's everybody
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tons of YouTube videos of guys
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helicopters, taken in water and
blankets and taken people out

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and and what the travesty is,
you know this, there's a lot of

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conspiracy theories. And you
know, that's my that's my jam.

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So I'm looking into everything.
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let this all flood because they
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court's mind, the lithium, you
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like, no, no. What has happened
here is all government,

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particularly American
governments, our federal our

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state governments. There. They
are incapable. They are, they

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are. Are completely not capable
of doing anything. We've We've

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wound up with this bunch of
pencil pushers who, you know,

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draw up there in the on
whiteboards and plans, and

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they're creating ideas and they
have, they're unable to do

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anything. And

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Dave Jones: then there come
there comes a point in any sort

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of devastation or tra or tragedy
of this scale, where, where it

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nobody wants to admit it, but it
very much gets out. You can't,

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you can't even really respond on
that level, like we saw it. The

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same thing happened with Katrina
for for, for weeks. I mean,

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people, there was just barely
any. Nobody even knew where to

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start. You don't know what to
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begin. Like there really was no
way to even start the process

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from, from if you look at it
from a top down, if you're

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looking at it from top down,
there is no, there's no way to

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even start. It has to be a I
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Adam Curry: dude, just look at
the people that we have in

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charge. My Yorkers. I mean this.
These people are incompetent.

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They have completely forgotten
and forsaken their true mission.

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They're not capable of it. And
media can't cover this simple

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fact. That's why you're not
seeing all that much. They

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should have helicopters all
over, flying everywhere, showing

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the devastation. But they can,
because we're electric cycle. I

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Dave Jones: saw that there's
some city. It's like bat basic

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bat chick or something. They got
31 inches. Yeah, right, yeah.

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That's, that's

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Adam Curry: the numbers I'm
hearing too. 31 inches is

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Dave Jones: you can't, no
infrastructure. It doesn't.

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There is not an infrastructure
you can build that will survive,

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that no,

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Adam Curry: it won't. It's gone.
But you know, in addition to

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that, the the incompetence of
our weather system. You know,

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they were telling people, oh,
it's just some gusts and it's

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not too bad, and, oh, it'll be
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know, 35 miles an hour, 80 mile
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running computer models to prove
that climate change is real. Man

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made climate change, and they're
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properly. This was a mother of
all stars, yeah, a mother of all

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storms. And so it's all just,
you know, especially North

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Carolina, I remember, oh, when
it was about gender neutral

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bathrooms and men playing in
women's sports, I push for

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abortions. Oh, yeah, oh, we're
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okay, I'm I'm your governor, and
we're working on coordinating

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what? Meanwhile, there's people
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and helicopters and flying
medication and insulin with

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their own drones. Then the, then
the feds come in and say, okay,

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temporary flight restriction
area. You can't fly here with

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your drone, because we're,
you're going to get in the way

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of our operations.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, Bill Me, you
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that's the way that works is,
you know, sim, you know, send me

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a bill, I'm just going to keep
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it's just the way people dug out
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exactly, and just doing what
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Adam Curry: yes, and that's
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very especially as a helicopter
pilot. I'm a little too old now

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for this. I could have certainly
gone, you know, flown copilot

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with somebody. I feel so
helpless. So I just, I know,

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each time you come back to base,
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bird up. So I'm just like, I'm
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everyone's doing it like, you
need gas. All right, just give

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them your credit card. Boom, buy
some gas. That's all I can do,

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really.

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Dave Jones: I went to, I went to
Asheville. You know, we went to

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Asheville a couple years ago. We
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think I talked about it as we
went up there for a little bit

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of a vacation and went to, is it
Chimney Rock? Yeah?

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Adam Curry: Oh, no, Chimney Rock
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Dave Jones: was a cute, it was a
such a cute little town, right

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there, yeah, like

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Adam Curry: 12,000 people or
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20,000 very small like
Frederick's book. Basically,

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Dave Jones: it's just, I mean,
like, it's just gone. It was a

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small town on it's a small town
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rapids. And those rapids are,
you have to walk down quite a

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bit. They're probably, I would
say, at least 12 to No. It's

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more than that. It's probably 15
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the town is, is where the is,
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it, I mean, if it rose, no, that
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then it's, I mean, it's just
going to take everything out.

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Adam Curry: So overflow this
banks. So the i. So this is a

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lesson, a lesson for everybody.
Your government is not coming to

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help. They're weak, they're
wimpy, they're woke. They are

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pencil pushers. It's, you know,
it's, this is the same

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complaints I hear from our
military personnel. Who are

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these guys? What are they doing?
They don't they have no idea

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what they're doing anymore. It's
just we've we've put an

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administrative state in place
that is incapable. The only

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thing they can do is say, well,
we need more money. That's

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literally what Mayorkas is
saying. Well, I need more money

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to do this. Dude spend. Get the
credit card. We'll deal with

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that later. Go, go, go, go, go,
you know. And then they can't

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agree. Well, we haven't had
title, you 10 approved yet by

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the governor, so we can't.
They've got Chinook 40 sevens

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and 60s ready to go at Liberty
base. And, no, we can't fly him

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because, you know, we don't have
the permit. It's so stupid.

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It's, it's, it's disappointing.

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Dave Jones: This has happened in
my lifetime. This change from

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when a disaster happens, you the
community recovers. As as switch

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to when a disaster happens,
everybody looks to the

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government, waits for the
government. Yes, exactly. It's

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it started. You know, I think it
started. It started under the

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George Bush, senior, yeah,
remember brownie? Good job,

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Brownie. And then, and then it
turned and then it really

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accelerated under the first Bush
with Katrina and all that kind

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of stuff and And what's crazy? I
mean, excuse me, the W, W,

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everybody thought that what's
crazy is they, they showed that

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they were incapable to respond
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they, what was the first thing
they did, they cordon they they

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corralled everybody into the
Superdome.

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Adam Curry: That was, that was
horrible people getting ready.

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The whole thing was out

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Dave Jones: of control. Oh, it
was like hell on earth. And

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then, you know, and I remember,
I still remember, to this day,

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for it didn't even start up for,
I think, a couple of weeks, all

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of a sudden there was just
Trent. You'd get stopped by a

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train, and it would just be
hundreds of these FEMA white

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cars going by. Yeah, you
remember those trailers? Oh

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Adam Curry: the one was
formaldehyde. Then went on to

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poison everybody, uh

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Dave Jones: huh. And then New
Orleans was never, has never

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been the same since. And I
guarantee you, the same thing is

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going to happen with this.
People are going to there's a

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certain amount of devastation
where people just have to leave

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in order to survive. They have
to go somewhere else. And a

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percentage of them, sometimes a
large percentage of them, will

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Adam Curry: back. And what's sad
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distrust in their government
that that with their where their

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brain goes is, this was a setup.
This was harp the weather

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modification they wanted, the
land, eminent domain. No, it's

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much simpler. They're incapable.
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Dave Jones: was that never,
never a tribute to malice.

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What's explained by
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Adam Curry: beautiful,
beautiful. That's, I forgot that

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one Absolutely. So we just been
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that's all we can do. That's all
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communicating. You know, lots of
people got my number, so let me

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know whatever I can do if
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the hams have been actually
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as I was when we had the snow
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or five years ago. I mean,
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have been up 24/7, their hands
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everything from contacting
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okay to, hey, I need 100 foot of
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it's, yeah, that, that, to me,
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our country. And I so I checked
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TuneIn, TuneIn, annoying,
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both NPR stations. This is
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so I listened to the country
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doing food drives. They're
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They're taking in money. Yeah,
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someone's doing something. It's
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Dave Jones: do you remember also
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lifetime of this, of this, of
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from radio, Inc, I can't
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Oh yeah, sure, sure, sure. Ed
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Adam Curry: got, oh, yes, he, he
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Dave Jones: him and his wife,
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They were doing a live stream
every single day saying, you

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know, and they would take, they
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would call in, yeah, hey, I live
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drive, or whatever, you know, my
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somebody get this guy a couple
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like that for, for like, maybe
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Adam Curry: and it was and, but
already the news move right on

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to breaking new allegations
against Trump. Like, whoa. This

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is so, so so wrong. And there's

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Dave Jones: no, I mean, there's,
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New York Times. There's no, not
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anywhere, anywhere on the first
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Adam Curry: because it's
political season and everyone's

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pointing fingers at each other.
Oh, it's that guy's fault. Oh,

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it's lieutenant governor. Oh,
okay, well, whatever. So go.

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Redneck Air Force. Is what I
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what I'm calling them, the
Raymond Air Force. Yes. All

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right. Happier news after last
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the podcasters virtual Summit,
Bitcoin for podcasters. Host,

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yes, I need a report, yes,
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It was, it was actually I put a
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great. It was really on, she did
a fireside chat, which was on

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Zoom, and so we talked, and, you
know, this was obviously Bitcoin

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focus, which was fine. And Oscar
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Moritz from Albie. I know I'm
forgetting people now, but it

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was good, you know, we did a
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lot of, Oh, Ben, from what's the
from Ellen bits. Oh, okay. And I

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asked him, right there on the
panel, Hey, Ben. Ben, man, can

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you bump that. PR for us, the
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Sure. You know, nice. They're
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a lot going on with those guys,
and I understand, you know, I

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comprehend what that means. Let
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So nice guy, though, the, you
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we really want to make this work
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because at the same time, Albie
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officially in the marketplace,
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Oh, okay, now I understand what
it does. This is great. It's

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very impressive.

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Dave Jones: So, we've not, we've
not had a clip. I mean, are you

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saying that we did that? We've
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Adam Curry: No, no, no, no.
Haven't misunderstood at all.

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But now it's, it's okay. So
they've released this for your

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own benefit. You can run on your
own server, and you know what it

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does is it, in essence,
transforms your lightning node

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into kind of, I would just call
it a like an umbrell for for

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lightning apps. So there's this
whole store, and then you can

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connect any lightning app to
your node with ease. So linking

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my Get out, my get Albie
address, so I still had a legacy

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wallet, and I think I had maybe
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Dave Jones: your Alby, well, in
your in your album, yeah, my

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Adam Curry: I use it, you know,
I dump stuff. Dump stuff in

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there. I take a split on some of
my shows to put to keep the keep

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the flow going, just a little
bit, to keep filling it up. But

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I usually deplete it because I'm
I like to boost, I like to boost

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my balls. And yes, you do and
and so you click, it connects,

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and then right away, I could
send that balance over with one

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click of the button. They have
their own wallet called albigo,

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which is just a very, very
simple lightning wallet. Boom,

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click. I mean, it works
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course, there's 1000 nostra
apps, but there's all kinds of

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other stuff that you can connect
to it, and you can act as an

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Uncle Jim node, so you can,
yeah, so that's the equivalent

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Dave Jones: So that's the thing,
or that's the thing that we

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that's the thing that Albie
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apps. Yeah, no

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Adam Curry: way. There's no way
we can do that now we're going

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to go to jail. So no, we can't
do that, right? And I get it,

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but no, we can't do that. But I
am doing it for, I'm doing it

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for, for Jimmy, I'm doing for a
couple other people who want to

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move off of, you know, have over
a million SATs in there. Get

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Alby accounts, and they're
getting messages like, hey, hey,

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hey, you gotta, you gotta move
stuff out and, and so I'm gonna

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set up some accounts for them,
just to make it easy anyway. So

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that was the, that was the
virtual Summit, and, and it was

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great. And thank you. DJ
Valerie. B, love for hosting

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that she's wonderful. I didn't,
I didn't know her personally.

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I'd seen her at a value for
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Conference, she did a value for
value panel. She's She's bright,

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she's quite an asset to the
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episode 1700 of no agenda

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Dave Jones: and that, and that
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Adam Curry: that was yesterday,
okay? And, you know, our, yeah,

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these, like these, like
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1700 it'll be 17 years of that
show on october 26 that's huge.

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Man, congratulations. Almost as
long as my first marriage, so

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John will be my longest wife
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Dave Jones: Congratulations.
Man, that's a huge deal. And

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just, I mean, the staying power.
I mean just, just this show is

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to, let's see this show was, has
only been a little over four

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years, four years just seeing,
like, just four years seeing the

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the real commitment of time it
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the show every I mean, like,
it's 17 years. Or, excuse me, I

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mean, 1700 shows is amazing. So

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Adam Curry: I just want to
remind people of the secrets,

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because there are some very
basic rules. If you want to have

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a successful value for value
podcast, you always have to have

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your feedback loop when you know
however you do it, when people

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are sending in money or, well,
we don't have boost yet coming,

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but we have PayPal and Stripe
and and, you know, so we have a

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thank you. So we actually have
two Thank you segments. We have

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incentives like, you know, if
you your cumulative $1,000

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There's many people who have
been doing $4 a week for, you

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know, years and oops, all of a
sudden they look, they look at

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their accounting, like, Hey,
I've reached it. They get a

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ring. You know, it's like, it's
like, our version of the tote

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bag, only much cooler.
Obviously, we always release,

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but we don't release. We record
live same time. Every single

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time it's we've had one or two,
maybe a handful of instances

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where we've had to start later
for some travel or something

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like that. But in general, it's
always the same time. The live

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stream and the chat room, which
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has been instrumental, and I've
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production. It's just, it's just
better you have a live studio

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audience, you've got a you've
got your instant feedback loop

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like we have now in the
boardroom. It's, it's incredibly

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important.

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Dave Jones: I would, I don't
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maybe, what, 50 episodes of this
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Adam Curry: I usually, I thought
we did live right away. We

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didn't do it live right away.
No, it may

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Dave Jones: not have been 50. It
was it was early, but we did.

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Maybe we did a few months
without, without the live. It

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may have been like, 30 episodes,
25 something like that. But

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Adam Curry: once we got the chat
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hey, there's a chat tag. Let's
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Dave Jones: Yes, we were waiting
for something like that, and we

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did it and like, I don't even
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doing it, not, I don't even
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Adam Curry: not as fun. It's not
it's not exactly so there's,

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there's that aspect which and we
never edit anything. I mean,

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yeah, if there's a huge
technical issue. I'll take out

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the junk if necessary. But in
general, we don't edit in fact,

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the biggest joke is, don't
worry, I'll edit that out. No

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one will ever know the
difference. I did that to Tina

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the other day on curry and the
keeper, and then she came to me

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next day, Hey, you forgot to
edit that out. I'm like, How

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long have you known me? Like,
I'm not gonna edit that out.

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That's great. People love
hearing the flubs and that

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stuff. And then I think the
well, we also, by the way, we

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accept checks. I say 40% of our
value for value comes in through

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people who send checks in
America. You can send it

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automatically from your bank.
You know the processing is

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almost no fees and and people
get very creative, and they send

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in handwritten notes. And
anyhow, so the feedback loop is

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critical.

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Dave Jones: Don't tell me. I
never want to hear that people

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that this something is, quote,
too much friction. If, if

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somebody's if 40% of your
donations are people that have

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sit, sat down with a with a a
pen and a check and then mailed

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it to you. Yep, that is some
serious that's about as the most

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friction as you can possibly
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Adam Curry: Yeah, no, they love
doing it. They love it. What was

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the other thing I was going to
say? Oh, of course, value for

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value is time, talent and
treasure we have. From the

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beginning always said, Hey, you
can't support us with money. You

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can promote us be online if you
know, we've never built our own

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website, coded monkey did the
most recent one for us. Tim,

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which is noagendashow.net. We
have the no agenda meetups, all.

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Producer organized. Everyone
organizes that themselves. We

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just. Promote it. We play their
promos. We play their reports.

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You know, I'll actually spend
time editing the really crappy

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ones where we're going to hand
the phone around, edit all that

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out. The art we have, we've,
almost from the beginning, we've

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had new artwork for every
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Generator, also built by one of
our producers, Sir Paul couture,

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that has, you know, and then the
boots on the ground once we kind

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of got people trained, like, if
you if you hear us talking about

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something, or if there's
something in the news that you

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know about, because everybody
has a specialty, it is your

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obligation to email us and tell
us what's really going on. And

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so, I mean, with this, with
this, with this hurricane Helene

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thing, it's been almost
overwhelming. So my job, I'm

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really an information gatherer,
and so there's no way on value

427
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for value we could afford
producers, by the way, I produce

428
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,080
the show. John does all the he
writes the newsletter. This is

429
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,280
the other critical part before
every show. The day before a

430
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,880
newsletter goes out, he has a
template. He has it templatized

431
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,400
at this point, but there's
thought that goes into it. He

432
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,840
sends me the copy. I proofread
it. Send it back to him. Stuff

433
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,420
still messes up, of course, I
think we even sends it to a

434
00:26:18,420 --> 00:26:22,400
third person, another producer,
who checks it, and the whole

435
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:27,020
purpose of that newsletter is
twofold. One, we have another

436
00:26:27,020 --> 00:26:30,200
show coming up tomorrow.
Remember, your life is busy.

437
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,720
We're reminding you that we're
gonna do another show tomorrow.

438
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:38,600
And yes, we need you to support
us. And it works, and we're not

439
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:43,240
bashful about it. And And if
people found no value, they

440
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,380
would not send us value. And
that's the most honest media

441
00:26:47,380 --> 00:26:50,680
I've ever been involved in,
coincidentally, the longest

442
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,540
media job I've ever had in my
life.

443
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,060
Dave Jones: No, it is, isn't it?
Oh,

444
00:26:55,060 --> 00:26:58,240
Adam Curry: by a long shot, MTV
was half of the Mt. No. MTV was

445
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,560
seven years, seven and a half
years. So, oh yeah, it's

446
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,040
interesting. It's been the
longest media gig I've ever had,

447
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,880
and, you know, I'm gonna die
spitting in the mic one way or

448
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:09,360
the other.

449
00:27:11,460 --> 00:27:13,620
Dave Jones: I mean, of course
you will. That's who you are.

450
00:27:13,620 --> 00:27:14,040
So,

451
00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:18,900
Adam Curry: so when I you know,
so I always approach the podcast

452
00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:23,180
industry in a very different
way, because I can also look at

453
00:27:23,180 --> 00:27:27,620
my stats and the majority of
people we have. A lot of people

454
00:27:27,620 --> 00:27:30,920
using pod verse, a lot of people
using podcast guru, a lot of

455
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:35,480
people using fountain, like big
numbers, like 30, 40% like big

456
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,500
numbers, because I tell them
this is you want to get notified

457
00:27:39,500 --> 00:27:43,180
within 90 seconds, use one of
these apps. You know, you want

458
00:27:43,180 --> 00:27:46,600
to get a bat signal when we go
live. Use one of these apps. You

459
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,420
want to see all the other cool
pieces of art that people

460
00:27:49,420 --> 00:27:52,300
created that we didn't choose as
album art. Drab, Scott, thank

461
00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:56,680
you. Dr. Scott, another valuable
value for value contribution. He

462
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,440
puts in album art that he pulls
right from the Art Generator.

463
00:27:59,620 --> 00:28:03,960
This is the new type of media
that people need to be looking

464
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:09,240
at, and the apps, I think can do
an even better job at creating

465
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,540
this loop. You know, these
feedback loops are critical.

466
00:28:12,660 --> 00:28:17,100
This is where a lot of video
falls down, which is why, one of

467
00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:20,840
the reasons I don't think it's
that important, you know,

468
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:25,220
because video, by itself, is
very difficult to do video and

469
00:28:25,220 --> 00:28:29,300
be interactive. You know, it's
like, I can be doing the show

470
00:28:29,300 --> 00:28:32,660
and and I can be looking at the
boardroom and seeing what people

471
00:28:32,660 --> 00:28:35,900
are saying and interacting with
them. We've got booster grams

472
00:28:35,900 --> 00:28:38,840
firing off with different
sounds. All of these things are

473
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,740
happening in real time. And if I
also had to figure out what

474
00:28:41,740 --> 00:28:45,820
camera I'm looking at, or what
the shot is, or have someone do

475
00:28:45,820 --> 00:28:49,240
that, forget about it. And it's
no longer intimate. This is an

476
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,600
intimacy of epic proportions.
And

477
00:28:52,599 --> 00:28:55,899
Dave Jones: I think, I think
you're, I mean, the you have

478
00:28:55,899 --> 00:28:59,319
standing to say that, because
you did TV for a long time. You

479
00:28:59,319 --> 00:29:03,239
didn't, you did video for many
years, yeah, so you, I mean,

480
00:29:03,299 --> 00:29:07,079
it's not like, and you did, you
know, you also did video

481
00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:10,379
podcasts, people, you know,
sure, I don't think people,

482
00:29:10,379 --> 00:29:13,379
maybe people don't remember,
like, the big book show and the

483
00:29:13,379 --> 00:29:16,379
big App Show, big book show,
yeah, those were video shows.

484
00:29:16,499 --> 00:29:19,919
Those are video podcasts. And
you, and you did them. So you

485
00:29:19,919 --> 00:29:22,639
have, like, when you speak about
these things, it's not like,

486
00:29:22,639 --> 00:29:26,119
you're just theoretical. You
actually did them and, like, did

487
00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:27,499
them very early too,

488
00:29:28,820 --> 00:29:32,240
Adam Curry: which is why I never
made any money very early. Yeah,

489
00:29:32,540 --> 00:29:35,120
Dave Jones: it's always been
your problem. Always too

490
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,900
Adam Curry: early. Now I can see
interview shows. It's

491
00:29:38,900 --> 00:29:42,460
interesting to see the interview
subject. I mean, I get all that.

492
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,960
So when I was listening to power
the partners weekly review, and

493
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,620
they had the interview with the
Spotify lady, and, you know, and

494
00:29:50,620 --> 00:29:54,160
she goes right into, well, a
podcast can be whatever people

495
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,060
call it, not dependent upon RSS.
By the way, it's RSS. There's no

496
00:29:58,060 --> 00:30:05,880
such thing as open RSS, just Rs.
Us, and to me, I remember we

497
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:12,180
started podcasting, and I don't
know if I still have that, if I

498
00:30:12,180 --> 00:30:16,500
still have that jingle, I guess
not. It was transmitters. We

499
00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:19,800
don't need no string stinking
transmitters, you know. So to

500
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,900
say that it's it doesn't matter
how it's distributed. It does.

501
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,100
It does matter because you're
not in control. And how many

502
00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:31,940
times do we see someone get
kicked off of YouTube? How long

503
00:30:31,940 --> 00:30:34,580
before you build up your
audience with spot up video on

504
00:30:34,580 --> 00:30:38,600
Spotify, which only is on
Spotify before something happens

505
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,160
or you're not in control? That
was the whole point is, you're

506
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,100
in the advertising industry.
They should be. They should be

507
00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:50,680
outraged about this. The whole
beauty of RSS distribution is

508
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,340
you put your ad in one place. It
goes to all the apps. What now

509
00:30:54,340 --> 00:30:58,840
you got to have conversations
with everybody else the Anyway,

510
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:00,060
did, I

511
00:31:00,060 --> 00:31:01,980
Dave Jones: don't know if you
pulled any clip of that. I

512
00:31:01,980 --> 00:31:02,280
didn't

513
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,220
Adam Curry: know. I didn't, I
didn't, I didn't pull it. I have

514
00:31:05,220 --> 00:31:06,300
the, what are we drinking?

515
00:31:07,619 --> 00:31:10,319
Dave Jones: This is the last of
the Lacroix here.

516
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,040
Adam Curry: Oh, I have, I have a
Lacroix. I forgot what I have in

517
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:19,680
it. Though I have, actually the
James was kind enough to post.

518
00:31:19,740 --> 00:31:22,640
So what is a podcast? Maybe we
should just play that bit here.

519
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:23,180
I love

520
00:31:23,180 --> 00:31:25,280
Unknown: this question. This is
something that I've thought

521
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,880
about a lot over the years, as I
think, you know, I was the first

522
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,180
employee at anchor back in the
day, way too many years ago, I

523
00:31:32,180 --> 00:31:33,260
stayed with Yes.

524
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,280
Dave Jones: So this, I guess
it's just the political season

525
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:46,420
that we're in, but this is the,
I forgot what the original

526
00:31:46,420 --> 00:31:47,140
question was.

527
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,880
Adam Curry: So, what is a
podcast?

528
00:31:48,940 --> 00:31:54,700
Dave Jones: What is a podcast?
Yes, so this is the I was born

529
00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:55,840
in a middle class family.

530
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:01,860
Unknown: Podcast. Look,

531
00:32:01,859 --> 00:32:03,959
Adam Curry: I was born in a
middle class family. I

532
00:32:04,020 --> 00:32:06,300
Unknown: love this question.
This is something that I've

533
00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:09,360
thought about a lot over the
years, as I think, you know, I

534
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,180
was the first employee at anchor
back in the day, way too many

535
00:32:12,180 --> 00:32:14,820
years ago, I stayed with the
company through our sale to

536
00:32:14,820 --> 00:32:19,320
Spotify, and now I lead product
for Spotify podcast team. So

537
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,280
I've been through a lot of
evolutions of podcasts over the

538
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,040
years. Gotten a lot of thoughts
from creators and from

539
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:29,060
listeners, and I also have a few
podcasts myself, so I've seen

540
00:32:29,060 --> 00:32:32,840
this up close, everything from
how people distribute to what

541
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,260
formats they're producing to how
they find new audiences and how

542
00:32:36,260 --> 00:32:39,080
they interact with the people
listening. A lot of that has

543
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:43,120
been changing and sort of
questioned over the years. So

544
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,660
where I've landed is, I think
it's less about the delivery

545
00:32:46,660 --> 00:32:50,680
mechanism or whether it's audio
or video. It's also really not

546
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,120
up to me or any person or
company to define. I think a

547
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,940
podcast is whatever podcast
creators and listeners say it

548
00:32:57,940 --> 00:33:01,860
is, and they're telling us more
and more that to them, a podcast

549
00:33:01,860 --> 00:33:04,440
can be video, it can be
interactive, it can exist

550
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,140
outside of an RSS feed. And
since all of those things

551
00:33:07,140 --> 00:33:09,900
introduce new great
opportunities for podcasters, I

552
00:33:09,900 --> 00:33:13,740
don't see why we wouldn't lean
into them as an industry. I will

553
00:33:13,740 --> 00:33:16,380
try to answer your actual
question, though. I think that

554
00:33:16,380 --> 00:33:19,800
at its core, the things that
attract people to podcasts as a

555
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,240
medium have remained the same,
even as all of these things have

556
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,500
been evolving. It's about
information, connection, great

557
00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:32,000
storytelling, and I don't really
see that changing, despite, you

558
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,580
know, whatever continues to
happen with the with the format

559
00:33:34,580 --> 00:33:35,120
itself.

560
00:33:35,179 --> 00:33:38,779
Adam Curry: So I agree that
connection is a big part of it

561
00:33:38,779 --> 00:33:43,059
storytelling, I mean the
content. We often in the

562
00:33:43,059 --> 00:33:46,239
industry, we no longer talk
about the content just by

563
00:33:46,239 --> 00:33:49,899
growing your show discovery. No,
if it sucks, it sucks. If it's

564
00:33:49,899 --> 00:33:53,019
small, it's small. If it's meant
for a small audience, it's gonna

565
00:33:53,019 --> 00:33:57,099
be a small audience. That's it's
not the thinking is still so old

566
00:33:57,099 --> 00:33:59,619
world, like we gotta grow. It
gotta be big. Gotta be the

567
00:33:59,619 --> 00:34:04,559
biggest. No, no, we, right now,
have 46 people in the troll

568
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:08,819
room. We may have twice that
listening, and it doesn't

569
00:34:08,819 --> 00:34:13,259
matter. It's the right people.
It's our people. We're

570
00:34:13,259 --> 00:34:16,859
sustaining an entire
infrastructure on this, this

571
00:34:16,859 --> 00:34:22,339
ragtag crew. That's what it's
about now. But then to say it

572
00:34:22,339 --> 00:34:25,759
can exist, it doesn't matter
what the distribution is. Well,

573
00:34:27,139 --> 00:34:33,499
I'll argue against that. I think
a blog without an RSS feed is

574
00:34:33,499 --> 00:34:40,279
dumb. Almost every system on the
internet today poops out an XML

575
00:34:40,279 --> 00:34:45,639
feed of some version, usually
RSS with good reason. So it does

576
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:48,099
matter, and the fact that
Spotify is allowing you to

577
00:34:48,099 --> 00:34:52,959
upload video that can't leave
their their garden is dumb of on

578
00:34:52,959 --> 00:34:56,259
their accord, it's dumb. It
won't work.

579
00:34:56,860 --> 00:35:02,700
Dave Jones: I've got, you know
us a. Heard the, heard these. I

580
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:06,540
heard this, this, you know,
quote, unquote interview, which

581
00:35:06,540 --> 00:35:07,800
kind of wasn't really that

582
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,840
Adam Curry: was an email
interview, and she recorded some

583
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,900
of the answers, which was, which
was nice, like, you can't make

584
00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:16,740
time just have little chat. I
mean, they have the Spotify PR

585
00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:19,320
right there to make sure your
answers were right. Or, what was

586
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:20,180
that that was? That

587
00:35:20,180 --> 00:35:23,240
Dave Jones: one thing, one thing
I was unclear about is what it

588
00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:26,660
sounded like they reached out
and said, Hey, we're now, we're

589
00:35:26,660 --> 00:35:29,300
now going to do some email
interviews. Would you like to

590
00:35:29,780 --> 00:35:31,820
ask us some questions? Oh, I

591
00:35:31,820 --> 00:35:33,680
Adam Curry: don't know. I don't
know exactly how that went,

592
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,600
Dave Jones: but I may have
misunderstood that. Maybe James

593
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:41,860
can clarify. Maybe he asked for
it. But it's that struck I think

594
00:35:41,860 --> 00:35:44,800
that that struck me as odd. But
anyway, and I was sitting back

595
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:51,520
and thinking about this, this
whole thing, and they it's

596
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:56,620
pretty obvious why. It's pretty
well obvious from the beginning

597
00:35:56,620 --> 00:35:59,380
why people want to define
podcasting as something other

598
00:35:59,380 --> 00:36:02,280
than RSS based delivery. This
has always been the case,

599
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,540
because if they broaden the
definition of what a podcast is,

600
00:36:07,980 --> 00:36:12,480
just like we heard from Oxford
road from Dan Granger, it opens

601
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,420
up the advertising dollars that
are locked into certain channels

602
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,920
Adam Curry: like YouTube and
Tiktok and reels and Instagram.

603
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:20,220
Yeah.

604
00:36:20,459 --> 00:36:23,959
Dave Jones: What Granger said
was, if they is, if they define

605
00:36:23,959 --> 00:36:31,459
a podcast as as being also a
YouTube video or, you know, etc,

606
00:36:31,879 --> 00:36:37,219
then the advertising agencies
don't have to go back and ask

607
00:36:37,219 --> 00:36:40,099
for they don't have to walk
across the hall and ask for

608
00:36:40,099 --> 00:36:45,099
money from that other group, so
that, I mean, that's clearly the

609
00:36:45,399 --> 00:36:48,819
the issue there. But I just
don't think, you know, but I

610
00:36:48,819 --> 00:36:50,859
think it's bigger than that. I
don't think advertise,

611
00:36:50,919 --> 00:36:54,099
advertising is not a big, huge,
is not a huge moneymaker for

612
00:36:54,099 --> 00:36:58,179
Spotify. I don't think, I mean,
we've seen their numbers.

613
00:36:58,179 --> 00:37:02,939
They're recently profitable, and
they're basking in that,

614
00:37:02,939 --> 00:37:07,439
clearly, and I don't what, what
always struck me was that the

615
00:37:07,439 --> 00:37:12,359
advertising revenue is not huge
for them. It's if without

616
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,739
subscribers are the bulk of
their income. Do they need

617
00:37:16,799 --> 00:37:22,879
people to pay for these? Yes.
And so, you know, the people I

618
00:37:22,879 --> 00:37:26,419
think this should be concerned,
I've actually got a lot of

619
00:37:26,419 --> 00:37:29,179
thoughts about this, more than I
thought I did. It's kind of

620
00:37:29,179 --> 00:37:32,779
coming to me. The the people
that I think should be concerned

621
00:37:32,779 --> 00:37:38,239
about Spotify themselves as a
threat by the podcast hosting

622
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:43,599
companies, yeah, um, I don't see
how Spotify continues without

623
00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:46,959
turning Spotify for podcasters
into some sort of paid, some

624
00:37:46,959 --> 00:37:47,199
kind

625
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,380
Adam Curry: of revenue
generator, yeah, yeah. Well, the

626
00:37:50,380 --> 00:37:52,600
only way, perhaps, with video
support, you know, well, the

627
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,900
only thing that they can really
do now is you upload to us, and

628
00:37:55,900 --> 00:37:58,540
we jam ads in there, and we give
you a, you know, like YouTube,

629
00:37:58,540 --> 00:38:02,400
we give you a tiny, tiny bit,
right? That's the only, that's

630
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,460
the model that clearly let me
just play this, this. This is

631
00:38:05,460 --> 00:38:07,920
the last one I'll do, because
you can listen, you can read it,

632
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,300
links in the show notes. James
played a lot of it on podcast,

633
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:19,320
weekly review. This is the how
important is open RSS? I just, I

634
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:24,740
just have to say it's RSS. Is
there any closed RSS? I guess

635
00:38:24,740 --> 00:38:29,960
you know, private feeds, but
just say RSS to Spotify, and how

636
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,540
will you continue supporting it?
Now listen to this, because she

637
00:38:32,540 --> 00:38:34,700
kind of contradicts herself.

638
00:38:34,700 --> 00:38:38,120
Unknown: So obviously, one of
the main benefits of podcasting

639
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,720
has always been that creators
can really easily distribute

640
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:43,720
their content to multiple
platforms, and consumers have

641
00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:46,480
the choice of where and how they
want to listen to it. Yes, and I

642
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,000
think the benefits of wide
distribution for creators in

643
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,400
particular are more apparent
than ever. You've seen this

644
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,060
reflected in Spotify strategy
with shows like Joe Rogan and

645
00:38:55,060 --> 00:38:57,640
science, versus going back to
being available everywhere.

646
00:38:57,700 --> 00:39:02,040
Adam Curry: So okay, so thank
you for admitting that it was

647
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:08,100
not a good idea to have Joe
Rogan exclusive to Spotify and

648
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,880
because he couldn't make it pay.
Obviously, I have no idea what

649
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:17,220
the actual deal is worth. Up to
is meaningless to me. So why

650
00:39:17,220 --> 00:39:21,740
then are you making your the
video exclusive to Spotify, and

651
00:39:21,740 --> 00:39:25,280
it can't go to anywhere you want
to play it. This is the

652
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:26,300
contradiction.

653
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:30,140
Unknown: So we understand that
RSS plays an important role in

654
00:39:30,140 --> 00:39:32,900
giving creators more control
over their content, and we

655
00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:36,260
definitely plan to continue
supporting both on and off

656
00:39:36,260 --> 00:39:39,620
platform distribution for shows
that are hosted with Spotify, as

657
00:39:39,620 --> 00:39:42,460
well as allowing podcasters to
keep distributing their content

658
00:39:42,460 --> 00:39:45,640
to Spotify from other hosts over
RSS. Nothing is changing there,

659
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:50,140
yeah, except for video that
said, do have more tools and

660
00:39:50,140 --> 00:39:53,680
functionality on Spotify that
goes beyond what RSS supports,

661
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,980
and for us, that's not about
exclusivity. We want to be able

662
00:39:56,980 --> 00:40:00,900
to keep innovating on the format
and opening up new. Avenues for

663
00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:04,140
fans and creators to connect
with each other, for creators to

664
00:40:04,140 --> 00:40:07,080
have options about how to
monetize and how to express

665
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,620
themselves and customize their
show. So we will keep doing

666
00:40:10,620 --> 00:40:14,940
that. But as you've noted, and
hopefully most of your audience

667
00:40:14,940 --> 00:40:17,520
have noticed, throughout this
year, we're going to continue to

668
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,660
invest in the open ecosystem as
much as we can. It's a really

669
00:40:20,660 --> 00:40:23,480
big priority to me to make sure
that all podcasters can get the

670
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,780
most possible value out of
Spotify. So whether it's through

671
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,320
RSS and through or through our
own tools, either way, that's

672
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,560
always our goal is just helping
podcasters get get the most out

673
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:34,760
of our platform. Yeah, I just

674
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,880
Adam Curry: don't believe that
she's, she's, it's a lie.

675
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:43,360
Dave Jones: My take on this is a
little different. I mean, we

676
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,980
have to look at this in context.
Look at the look at what Spotify

677
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:52,720
podcasting division was four
years ago, and look at what it

678
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:59,500
is today. It's completely
different. It's tiny compared to

679
00:40:59,500 --> 00:41:02,640
what it was. This is a company
that was putting billions of

680
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:07,800
dollars into podcasting. Now we
don't even, we don't even know

681
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,340
what those numbers are there.
It's is insignificant to their

682
00:41:11,340 --> 00:41:18,960
bottom line. Yeah. So the what,
what I see here is not, I see a

683
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,880
company that came back down to
earth as far as podcasting goes.

684
00:41:23,660 --> 00:41:27,380
In this video, push number one,
I do not trust their numbers at

685
00:41:27,380 --> 00:41:29,780
all. When it comes to how many
people want video, they say it's

686
00:41:29,780 --> 00:41:35,300
like 40% Yeah, sure. I just do
not. I don't I just do not. Why

687
00:41:35,300 --> 00:41:35,600
don't they

688
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,940
Adam Curry: have, like, only
music videos? Why is it just

689
00:41:37,940 --> 00:41:40,460
music tracks? They should be
doing music videos. Everyone

690
00:41:40,460 --> 00:41:43,660
loves music video. Everyone
loves music videos. Everyone

691
00:41:43,660 --> 00:41:43,960
wants

692
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,560
Dave Jones: music videos, don't
they? I think, I think they are

693
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,040
trying to broaden away from
being slaves to the music

694
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,400
publishing company. Yes, of
course. And they need to flip

695
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:59,500
the script to get a measure of
control over that. So like I'm

696
00:41:59,500 --> 00:42:05,580
I'm gonna compliment Spotify
here and say that I think that

697
00:42:05,580 --> 00:42:08,940
this is a company that's good at
seeing what the next hype cycle

698
00:42:08,940 --> 00:42:12,420
is and taking advantage of it.
That doesn't mean necessarily

699
00:42:12,420 --> 00:42:20,360
jumping in with both feet. It's
just they, they've always been

700
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,500
good at riding the whatever the
wave is that they need to ride

701
00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:29,840
to get through the next economic
cycle. And

702
00:42:30,020 --> 00:42:32,300
Adam Curry: yeah, which is every
three months for the next

703
00:42:32,300 --> 00:42:33,500
reporting period. Yeah,

704
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,980
Dave Jones: what does that say
about what the next cycle is? I

705
00:42:36,980 --> 00:42:39,140
mean, look at what they're
doing. They've they've just

706
00:42:39,140 --> 00:42:42,340
dabbled in AI. They've not
really done a lot of serious

707
00:42:42,340 --> 00:42:46,180
stuff with AI, which tells me
that AI is dead cat. You know,

708
00:42:46,540 --> 00:42:49,240
that's not a big priority for
them. I think they saw that.

709
00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:53,500
That was a waste. They don't
call them video podcasts. They

710
00:42:53,500 --> 00:43:00,180
call it video Yeah, I don't
think that they are, I don't

711
00:43:00,180 --> 00:43:03,120
think ultimately they're really
interested in podcasters.

712
00:43:03,180 --> 00:43:06,060
Adam Curry: I can tell you
whether, sorry, go ahead, does.

713
00:43:06,060 --> 00:43:06,300
I

714
00:43:06,300 --> 00:43:08,280
Dave Jones: don't think they're
interested in podcasters. I

715
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:14,040
think what they what they see,
is the death of television, and

716
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,280
they're trying to position
themselves for what that that

717
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:24,380
for what that looks like, the
post streaming world of video. I

718
00:43:24,380 --> 00:43:29,900
bet you they, I bet you, within
a year or two, maybe they'll

719
00:43:29,900 --> 00:43:34,460
make, they'll start to make
plays for some video content

720
00:43:34,580 --> 00:43:39,080
sports, right? I think here's
what I think their ultimate play

721
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:44,140
is. I think they want to be
Amazon Prime. They already, they

722
00:43:44,140 --> 00:43:47,380
already have merch and tickets
and all these things, just like

723
00:43:47,380 --> 00:43:52,420
Sam mentioned on the show,
Spotify reminds me of Hulu. It's

724
00:43:52,420 --> 00:43:55,780
a company that's that's owned
essentially by the publishing

725
00:43:55,780 --> 00:43:59,980
companies, and they're forever
trying to get out of that

726
00:43:59,980 --> 00:44:03,480
pigeonhole, yeah, so that they
so that they're not slaves

727
00:44:03,540 --> 00:44:06,000
Adam Curry: to that. Yeah, which
they are, they're slaves

728
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,200
companies. So

729
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,420
Dave Jones: I'm not, I'm not
really that interested in their

730
00:44:09,420 --> 00:44:13,500
views on RSS, because I think at
this point in time, just like

731
00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:20,180
Amazon music is if they have a
podcast, a podcast division that

732
00:44:20,180 --> 00:44:24,440
does some stuff from time to
time, but, like, if you but I

733
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,900
don't think that's it's really
sort of an afterthought to the

734
00:44:26,900 --> 00:44:32,300
company at large. I don't really
think that it's just not their

735
00:44:32,300 --> 00:44:35,480
focus. I mean, like, audiobooks
was just a tool that Spotify

736
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:40,780
needed to get leverage over
pricing. I think podcasting is

737
00:44:40,780 --> 00:44:43,600
just another tool in their bag
that they're used, that they

738
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,320
need, sometimes to get some sort
of leverage out of it. I just

739
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,540
don't think ultimately they care
that much about it.

740
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,660
Adam Curry: I think you're
you're spot on, and kudos to

741
00:44:52,660 --> 00:44:56,020
Chad F because he nails it. What
they should be doing next to

742
00:44:56,020 --> 00:44:59,920
make money is they should become
Spotify for only fans. You.

743
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,300
Should have, yeah, you should be
able to do only fans live stream

744
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,380
on Spotify. You know, pay for
it, password, protected, age

745
00:45:07,380 --> 00:45:11,340
verified. They can do all of it.
They should do that. They'll

746
00:45:11,340 --> 00:45:12,720
make, they'll make billions.

747
00:45:13,019 --> 00:45:16,079
Dave Jones: Buy only fans. Yeah,
well, I

748
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,480
Adam Curry: think only fans out.
I even out of their reach at

749
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,340
this point. Yeah, it's amazing
how the money they make.

750
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,640
Dave Jones: I think we also
forget how big Spotify is

751
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,300
outside of the United States,
yeah, outside of the US, like

752
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,660
because they what they could
become, is they could become the

753
00:45:32,660 --> 00:45:36,500
Amazon Prime, prime of
everywhere others in the US.

754
00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:36,800
Yeah,

755
00:45:36,860 --> 00:45:39,860
Adam Curry: good point. Good
point. Anyway.

756
00:45:41,180 --> 00:45:43,180
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, good
luck to them. That's a good way

757
00:45:43,180 --> 00:45:47,380
to say it, because I don't, I'm
just not that interested in what

758
00:45:47,380 --> 00:45:50,440
their views on RSS are. Because
I don't think they're that

759
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,260
interested in what their views
on RSS I think they have a few

760
00:45:53,260 --> 00:45:57,400
point Yeah, they have a few
people left over there who are

761
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,620
actually doing this work, and
it's just not, I just don't

762
00:46:01,620 --> 00:46:04,500
think they care that much. I
mean, those people do, because

763
00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:07,140
it's their job, but I mean the
company at large, I just don't

764
00:46:07,500 --> 00:46:13,620
it's largely uninteresting to
me, and and and podcasting, RSS,

765
00:46:14,820 --> 00:46:19,680
the RSS ecosystem of podcasting,
which is, you know, the hosting

766
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,900
companies and the in the in the
the podcasters themselves, in

767
00:46:23,900 --> 00:46:28,400
the infrastructure people, the
we're going to take care of

768
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,840
ourselves, yeah, because spot I
mean, Spotify, may they could.

769
00:46:33,620 --> 00:46:41,080
Well, this is another thing too.
Is, um, we're talking about AI.

770
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:51,880
AI is, is people, people who
have built on AI hosting

771
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,540
companies and other companies.
That concerns me a bit, because

772
00:46:55,540 --> 00:46:59,560
that, that whole thing, but you,
you sent me an article, a really

773
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:04,080
good article called The subprime
AI crisis. Yeah, that

774
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,240
Adam Curry: same guy wrote a
follow up to it, which is even

775
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:10,500
better. I haven't sent it to you
yet, but yeah. Okay, so open AI,

776
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,160
in essence, for every dollar
they make, they spend $2.35

777
00:47:16,980 --> 00:47:21,500
currently, currently, currently,
currently, so unsustainable,

778
00:47:21,500 --> 00:47:24,380
they're already talking about
everything in technology has

779
00:47:24,380 --> 00:47:27,980
always been to reduce costs, and
every improvement in technology

780
00:47:27,980 --> 00:47:32,180
is supposed to make the system
more cost efficient, you know,

781
00:47:32,300 --> 00:47:35,300
less power consumption. Look at
the laptops. I mean, it's all

782
00:47:35,300 --> 00:47:38,660
about faster processor, lower
power consumption, longer

783
00:47:38,660 --> 00:47:39,500
battery life. This

784
00:47:39,500 --> 00:47:43,300
Dave Jones: is the opposite.
Yeah, these costs are going up.

785
00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:43,600
Yeah, we

786
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,880
Adam Curry: need thorium
reactors, otherwise we can't

787
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:50,260
handle it. You know, it costs
$100 million to build a large

788
00:47:50,260 --> 00:47:53,500
language model, and that's just
the entry point at this at this

789
00:47:53,500 --> 00:47:58,840
stage. So, and they're not
charging that, just they're not

790
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,740
charging the money that it
costs. I mean, open, AI is

791
00:48:01,740 --> 00:48:03,900
already talking about moving,
you know, they're going to

792
00:48:03,900 --> 00:48:08,580
increase 10% to $22 a month.
Ultimate goal will be $44 a

793
00:48:08,580 --> 00:48:13,260
month in, you know, four or five
years, I think it'll go much,

794
00:48:13,260 --> 00:48:17,040
much higher. And at a certain
point, how much, how much you're

795
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,360
willing to pay to not write your
own description and your own

796
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:21,500
chapter titles.

797
00:48:23,420 --> 00:48:26,900
Dave Jones: That's yeah, if
people have not read that

798
00:48:26,900 --> 00:48:30,560
article, look good search for
the Google the search subprime

799
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:36,260
AI crisis in if you know, in
there, it says that less than 1%

800
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,140
of Microsoft's paying office
365, customers have subscribed

801
00:48:41,140 --> 00:48:43,780
to their copilot service. Yeah?
Because it's expensive. It's,

802
00:48:44,140 --> 00:48:49,420
it's very expensive, 50 bucks.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's you.

803
00:48:49,420 --> 00:48:52,780
You multiply that times a few
1000 seats at your organization,

804
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,580
that's, that is major cash.

805
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,980
Adam Curry: We got a boots on
the ground the other day from a

806
00:48:56,980 --> 00:49:00,900
guy who works at Epic, which is
the largest medical health

807
00:49:00,900 --> 00:49:05,340
record company, and so the all
the executives are all jacked

808
00:49:05,340 --> 00:49:08,100
and jitty about, oh, we all open
now we're going to integrate a

809
00:49:08,100 --> 00:49:14,760
eyes can be great. $3,000 a year
per seat, 65 cents per a API

810
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:22,160
query. What? What? Oh, just,
just 65 cents. Just to summarize

811
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:27,440
reports and then send off a hit
to another API that says, okay,

812
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:31,520
pharmacy, write the
prescription. In the meantime,

813
00:49:31,580 --> 00:49:34,820
these doctors, they're so
they're so jacked on it, they're

814
00:49:34,820 --> 00:49:39,200
writing their patient reports in
in chat GPT, which is completely

815
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,740
against all HIPAA regulation.
Oh, yeah,

816
00:49:41,739 --> 00:49:43,239
Dave Jones: that's, that's a
travesty.

817
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:47,979
Adam Curry: It's insane. That's
all right, whatever. Meanwhile,

818
00:49:47,979 --> 00:49:48,759
back yes,

819
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,840
Dave Jones: no, I was just gonna
say that to circle that thought

820
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:57,460
back around, is that if hosting,
if podcast hosting companies and

821
00:49:57,460 --> 00:50:01,680
podcast apps and, you know.
They've built some really cool

822
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:06,600
stuff on AI, I guess I would
just warn to have a backup plan,

823
00:50:07,020 --> 00:50:12,240
yeah, for how, because all of
the, all of the material that's

824
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:16,920
coming out of the no matter who
you're at, no matter who's API

825
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,900
you're calling, you're
ultimately probably calling open

826
00:50:20,900 --> 00:50:23,960
AI or anthropic. Yeah, you know,
you're, you're, you're

827
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,680
eventually getting back to one
of those two players. And when

828
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:31,700
this thing crashes, it may go
very fast, yeah, and you may not

829
00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:36,500
have a you may have to rip and
replace that product. It

830
00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:38,480
Adam Curry: could bring down the
economy. We're talking about,

831
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,220
the whole economy. Economies
built on this, the hyperscalers.

832
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,720
We got so many data centers
coming online now they better be

833
00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:50,860
ready to mine Bitcoin with it. I
don't know what else. I don't

834
00:50:50,860 --> 00:50:54,100
know if you can have all this,
all these AI customers, anyway,

835
00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:54,760
meanwhile, also,

836
00:50:54,820 --> 00:50:57,220
Dave Jones: it's all good. No,
no, no, please, no, please,

837
00:50:57,220 --> 00:51:00,660
please, please. Now I was just
gonna say it's also built on

838
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,080
another thing that this article
talked about is also all built

839
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:08,760
on intellectual property, theft,
all of it. Yes, the reason it

840
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,100
is, the thing about a large
language model, I've said this

841
00:51:11,100 --> 00:51:16,740
before, is that you are all
these generative models. Is that

842
00:51:16,740 --> 00:51:23,660
the the model, the the what a
model is, it's the algorithm and

843
00:51:23,660 --> 00:51:26,660
the data combined into one big

844
00:51:26,660 --> 00:51:29,840
Adam Curry: blob, yeah, like an
interactive database, basically,

845
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:30,920
yes.

846
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:35,720
Dave Jones: And so you're the
reason that we the that open

847
00:51:35,720 --> 00:51:39,860
AI's most advanced model doesn't
know how many letter RS there

848
00:51:39,860 --> 00:51:43,840
are in the word strawberry is
because nobody's ever asked that

849
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,560
question before. Yeah, exactly.
So it literally does not know,

850
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:51,700
because that data is not there,
and it does re Same reason it

851
00:51:51,700 --> 00:51:54,160
doesn't know how many states
start, you know, have the letter

852
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:59,020
A in it, because it only knows
the words that it's seen before.

853
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:00,360
Even worse, and it said

854
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,380
Adam Curry: Wyoming, yeah,
right. So the whole

855
00:52:04,380 --> 00:52:07,920
Dave Jones: notion of emergent
properties and all this is

856
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,940
complete BS, it only knows what
it's got. The most advanced

857
00:52:11,940 --> 00:52:16,500
models still give horrible
answers. And so this, this whole

858
00:52:16,500 --> 00:52:22,160
thing is in being that is built
on intellectual property theft.

859
00:52:22,340 --> 00:52:25,100
This the same thing I've seen
with mid journey when I've been

860
00:52:25,100 --> 00:52:29,540
using mid journey last few
weeks, is in order to get it to

861
00:52:29,540 --> 00:52:34,820
give you good stuff, you have to
start giving it keywords of of

862
00:52:34,820 --> 00:52:39,620
known things that you've seen
before. You have to you have to

863
00:52:39,620 --> 00:52:43,840
tell it things like, you have to
use phrases like, taken with a

864
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:48,580
Nikon camera, because what that
means is it's going to go off

865
00:52:48,580 --> 00:52:53,260
and begin to assemble gender is
generative data from things like

866
00:52:53,260 --> 00:52:57,460
Flickr, yeah, and things that
it's, or you'll say, you know,

867
00:52:57,700 --> 00:53:01,140
in the style of Norman Rockwell
or blah, blah, you start to have

868
00:53:01,140 --> 00:53:04,620
to use these things, which, you
know, what you're telling it is

869
00:53:04,980 --> 00:53:10,080
go over here and grab this stuff
that you scraped. So this whole

870
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,320
thing is just, it's just a
disaster. It's gonna collapse.

871
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:19,320
Adam Curry: Meanwhile, in the
value verse, hot news, December

872
00:53:19,380 --> 00:53:26,960
16 at the famous antones in
Austin, Texas. Adam curry. Adam

873
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:33,260
Curry's booster gram ball live,
December 16. No way, way. I had

874
00:53:33,260 --> 00:53:38,240
a chat with open mike. He's the
guy that he actually had a hand

875
00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:42,040
in saving small venues during
covid. So much longer story. Oh,

876
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:50,260
nice. But he, of course, set up
the Minneapolis show with just

877
00:53:50,260 --> 00:53:54,700
loud and Ainsley Costello, etc,
and he called me, you know, he

878
00:53:54,700 --> 00:53:57,880
reached out, and he said, you
know, would you be interested

879
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,800
in? Well, it's been an ongoing
conversation. He said, Hey, can

880
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,440
we brand this Adam Curry's
booster Graham ball live? And I

881
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:10,260
said, Yeah, but I need some
help, because we can't have Adam

882
00:54:10,260 --> 00:54:13,020
Curry's booster Grand Ball live.
If booster Graham ball is on,

883
00:54:13,020 --> 00:54:17,280
you know, some kind of permanent
ice pack,

884
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,280
Dave Jones: which just doesn't
happen when he is in the

885
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:21,080
freezer, it's in

886
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:25,040
Adam Curry: the freezer. And so,
lo and behold, Jim Costello

887
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,040
reaches out to me the same day
before this, before this phone

888
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:32,660
call. And I say, Jim. And so I
said, Jim, I got to talk to you.

889
00:54:32,900 --> 00:54:37,100
And I say, Jim, I realize my
problem. It's the same as no

890
00:54:37,100 --> 00:54:41,380
agenda. No agenda. I have
producers. And these producers,

891
00:54:41,380 --> 00:54:45,100
they produce stuff, and I just
have to bring it all together,

892
00:54:45,100 --> 00:54:47,620
you know, it's a very, it's a
very interactive creative

893
00:54:47,620 --> 00:54:50,560
process. And I also have a co
host who also is doing this

894
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:55,780
work, and, and, um, after, you
know, 17 years, we have a pretty

895
00:54:55,780 --> 00:54:58,540
good flow, and we don't have a
script or anything. We just, it

896
00:54:58,540 --> 00:55:03,000
just melds together and we make.
Work. I need someone to do the

897
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,540
work of getting me songs. If you
can do that, I can bang out a

898
00:55:06,540 --> 00:55:10,140
boost to Grand Ball. That's
easy. I you know. So give me the

899
00:55:10,140 --> 00:55:13,020
songs. Give me the songs you
think are good. Here's, you

900
00:55:13,020 --> 00:55:15,960
know, you know what I like, you
know, pretty much everything.

901
00:55:17,580 --> 00:55:19,680
Dave Jones: Give me 10 songs a
week, you know, something like

902
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:20,480
that, 14,

903
00:55:20,540 --> 00:55:25,400
Adam Curry: actually. And, and
he said, Okay, he's gonna do it.

904
00:55:25,460 --> 00:55:28,820
And so starting next Wednesday,
we'll do it every two weeks to

905
00:55:28,820 --> 00:55:31,700
start off with, because it's
still, it's, you know, this,

906
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,480
there's and also talking about
format, like, you can't a lot of

907
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,000
p, everyone likes, oh, it's the
new song. It's the new song that

908
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,540
that's, that's not how you build
up artists. That's not how you

909
00:55:40,540 --> 00:55:45,520
make hits. So you give me 14
Songs I'm going to play in in

910
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,460
one hour, I'm going to play
three songs, you already know,

911
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:53,320
and one song that goes way back,
you know. So that's, that's how

912
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:57,280
radio that's how music radio
formats work, that you have to

913
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,920
be, oh yeah. That's, oh, I
recognize that song,

914
00:56:00,220 --> 00:56:02,820
Dave Jones: you know, like a
deep cut, and then stuff, you

915
00:56:02,820 --> 00:56:04,800
know, and then the new stuff.
It's actually

916
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,860
Adam Curry: a formula for it.
It's called a format block. So

917
00:56:07,860 --> 00:56:10,440
you start off with a banger,
then you go into recurrent,

918
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:14,760
which is between three months
and a year old. Then you can do

919
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,760
something that's hot now, then
you can do a new song, another

920
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,840
recurrent, you can do another,
you know, there's different

921
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:25,280
formats for it, and it's tried
and tested throughout the ages.

922
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,460
So I'm very excited about that,
because now, because, you know,

923
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,180
on Wednesdays, it'll be it's for
me, it's like, oh, here's the

924
00:56:32,180 --> 00:56:35,480
songs. Throw them together,
click the stream on go. I mean,

925
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,660
I don't need much more
preparation other than, okay,

926
00:56:38,660 --> 00:56:41,800
let me listen to the songs that
these are the ones that have

927
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,380
been chosen for me. And of
course, I could say, well, I

928
00:56:44,380 --> 00:56:46,660
want to play this one, or I want
to change it out, or whatever,

929
00:56:46,660 --> 00:56:51,220
you know this, I'll have the
obvious freedom, but I love Jim

930
00:56:51,220 --> 00:56:53,920
for doing that. And of course,
the only other we had talked

931
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,160
about a lot of things, actually.
And you know, we're, we're

932
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:03,000
fortunate that we still have
RSS, blue pod, home, wave Lake

933
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:07,500
and and fountain, because that's
the only wallets that we can

934
00:57:07,500 --> 00:57:12,480
really talk about, right? So,
you know, we're still desperate

935
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:18,840
for the Zebedee solution, light,
Spark, strike integration. We

936
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:23,960
need, we need a lot more options
for these other apps to tap

937
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,080
into, because otherwise it
becomes a very one sided story.

938
00:57:28,580 --> 00:57:31,580
Dave Jones: Yeah, but Eric asked
if is phantom power music hour

939
00:57:31,580 --> 00:57:34,100
still gonna go or is that
folding into booster grand bowl?

940
00:57:34,100 --> 00:57:34,280
No,

941
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,400
Adam Curry: no, I think he's
gonna continue to do that. Okay,

942
00:57:37,460 --> 00:57:42,100
yeah, no, I would hope he
doesn't, but he understands the

943
00:57:42,100 --> 00:57:42,520
problem,

944
00:57:42,820 --> 00:57:44,260
Dave Jones: and that's
providence. I mean, it's

945
00:57:44,260 --> 00:57:47,320
providence that he, you know,
that that those two things came

946
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:48,580
together on the same day?

947
00:57:49,780 --> 00:57:54,460
Adam Curry: Yeah, yes, it is a
god NOD is, as we say, Yes,

948
00:57:54,700 --> 00:57:57,820
Dave Jones: God nine, yeah,
totally, totally. And

949
00:57:57,940 --> 00:58:03,420
Adam Curry: I just wanted to
mention, with this project.

950
00:58:03,420 --> 00:58:05,820
We're going to be talking about
our project in a couple of

951
00:58:05,820 --> 00:58:12,840
weeks, probably, but funding tag
will be a big deal. So Apps, you

952
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:17,820
may see people who have funding
tags in their in their feeds,

953
00:58:17,820 --> 00:58:20,600
who are going to want to see
that surface in a way that is

954
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:25,040
clear to see and as interactive
as a boost button.

955
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,800
Dave Jones: So I'm just saying
they said, Well, we can do a

956
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,080
little namespace if you want to.
Yeah, a

957
00:58:33,260 --> 00:58:35,720
Adam Curry: little bit of
namespace. And

958
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:40,600
Unknown: now it's time for some
hot namespace talk. Okay,

959
00:58:40,900 --> 00:58:44,260
Adam Curry: I also have a song,
so just for your timing,

960
00:58:44,860 --> 00:58:47,920
Dave Jones: on the, I mean, on
the side, project, front, uh,

961
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:49,900
front end, sucks.

962
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,920
Adam Curry: Yeah, gooey. Good.
Gooey stuff is, is gooey. It's

963
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:57,460
gooey.

964
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,780
Dave Jones: Oh, it's the worst.
I mean, I had a problem last

965
00:59:00,780 --> 00:59:08,580
night where it was I had one
behavior when, this is the

966
00:59:08,580 --> 00:59:12,060
double ad thing that we're not
trying to fix, that you know

967
00:59:12,060 --> 00:59:16,560
about that had one behavior when
the dev console, Dev Tools,

968
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,620
console of Chrome, was open, and
a different behavior when It was

969
00:59:19,620 --> 00:59:25,700
closed. Oh, what that one to me?
Wow. I think it's, I think this

970
00:59:25,700 --> 00:59:28,400
is, I think it's all fixed now,
but I was for about an hour and

971
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:32,720
a half. I was like, I hate
everything, and I hate the whole

972
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,240
world, and I'm just, I want to
quit.

973
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:38,600
Adam Curry: Don't quit.

974
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:44,800
Dave Jones: But it's all it's
all good, but face phase seven,

975
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:49,300
I just, I just polish that turd
out and just just send it off

976
00:59:49,300 --> 00:59:50,080
into space.

977
00:59:51,100 --> 00:59:53,500
Adam Curry: It's done. It was a
turd. And you polish it. Is

978
00:59:53,500 --> 00:59:54,400
that? What you're saying?

979
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:59,440
Dave Jones: No, it's, it's fine.
It's phase seven is now closed,

980
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,580
and I never. Want to see it or
hear the term face, okay?

981
01:00:02,580 --> 01:00:04,800
Because it was a long, painful
process, very

982
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:05,820
Adam Curry: painful phase.

983
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,900
Dave Jones: Eric, it was not
caching that. I know what you're

984
01:00:09,900 --> 01:00:12,660
talking about. With disabling
caches, there's a checkbox that

985
01:00:12,660 --> 01:00:15,480
was, that was not, that did not
have anything to do

986
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,200
Adam Curry: with it. How dare
you question the pod sage,

987
01:00:19,980 --> 01:00:22,520
Dave Jones: that's the first as
the first thing I did had it did

988
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:27,380
not affect this issue at all.
Phase, yeah, so phase seven is

989
01:00:27,380 --> 01:00:34,400
just, is done. Funding. The
funding tag is now item level.

990
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:35,840
Item level. Yes, I

991
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,180
Adam Curry: saw made that
change. Stephen B made those

992
01:00:38,180 --> 01:00:44,800
changes in sovereign fees, which
I highly appreciate. So he did

993
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,860
added also a publisher feed. You
can, you can now be a publisher

994
01:00:47,860 --> 01:00:50,320
feed. Couple other things. It's
good. I love sovereign fees.

995
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,900
I've been running on it for four
years. That was without

996
01:00:52,900 --> 01:00:56,440
sovereign feeds, this project
would be in big trouble. Oh,

997
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,800
yeah for sure. Because if we
can't publish the stuff that

998
01:00:59,860 --> 01:01:02,640
that we're talking about. Then
why would anybody else? So,

999
01:01:03,239 --> 01:01:08,339
Dave Jones: yeah, bless, bless
Stephen Bell, yes. So that

1000
01:01:08,339 --> 01:01:13,079
changed. The funding tag changes
now, now in effect, and I put

1001
01:01:13,079 --> 01:01:15,899
announcements on these things
for the only GitHub and on and

1002
01:01:15,899 --> 01:01:22,819
on the podcast, index, social
plant, you know. So I wanted to

1003
01:01:22,819 --> 01:01:26,899
talk briefly about a plan to
make the changes to the images

1004
01:01:26,899 --> 01:01:33,019
tag this week. We discussed that
before with Nathan's changes,

1005
01:01:34,039 --> 01:01:43,179
but this relates to Russell,
Russell's, ish Russell's want of

1006
01:01:43,179 --> 01:01:46,779
the banner tag, and so that
whole thing for I just want to

1007
01:01:46,779 --> 01:01:51,519
speak briefly about that. So the
the images tag, I'm going to

1008
01:01:51,519 --> 01:01:55,359
change to fit Nathan's changes,
because I think that makes a lot

1009
01:01:55,359 --> 01:01:59,739
of sense, that can, that can
exist regardless of the banner

1010
01:01:59,739 --> 01:02:02,639
stuff. So the banner stuff does
not. It does because those

1011
01:02:02,639 --> 01:02:05,339
changes are being made doesn't
mean that you can't have a tag

1012
01:02:05,339 --> 01:02:13,379
called banner um. So don't get
too upset about that, but it it

1013
01:02:13,379 --> 01:02:18,059
got me thinking about a plan for
the for things like the banner

1014
01:02:18,059 --> 01:02:26,659
tag. So and what I mean is, what
I mean is that we have

1015
01:02:26,659 --> 01:02:31,279
situations that come up like
this sometimes, and we always

1016
01:02:31,279 --> 01:02:36,739
will, where somebody like
Russell just he's already got

1017
01:02:36,739 --> 01:02:40,959
code that's written. He's
thinking in a particular way

1018
01:02:42,039 --> 01:02:49,059
about his use case and the way
it solves his problems. Yep, and

1019
01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:52,419
he's like, I just seriously
think this is the right way to

1020
01:02:52,419 --> 01:02:58,539
do things. And we may have a a
honest to God, difference of

1021
01:02:58,539 --> 01:03:01,739
opinion within within the

1022
01:03:01,739 --> 01:03:04,799
Adam Curry: group. Well, pod ID
is a fine example of that. He's

1023
01:03:04,799 --> 01:03:07,679
basically already coding that.
Yeah,

1024
01:03:07,740 --> 01:03:11,100
Dave Jones: right. And so, and I
think, you know, I'm not sure

1025
01:03:11,100 --> 01:03:14,220
exactly what he's doing, but I
think we're, I think we can,

1026
01:03:14,700 --> 01:03:17,100
like, make that work in person.
Yeah,

1027
01:03:17,100 --> 01:03:19,740
Adam Curry: he's, he's creating
a new way of doing the person

1028
01:03:19,740 --> 01:03:21,260
tag, which is fine,

1029
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:24,320
Dave Jones: you know, that's
that sounds fine to me for IDs

1030
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:30,260
or whatever, but, but it got me
thinking about, what do we do in

1031
01:03:30,260 --> 01:03:35,300
those circumstances? Because,
you know, I'm never, I don't

1032
01:03:35,300 --> 01:03:43,660
like to, I don't like any I
don't like any project to be

1033
01:03:43,660 --> 01:03:49,420
like, there's one person who
gets to win that doesn't feel

1034
01:03:49,420 --> 01:03:54,400
communal to me. No, but at the
same time, there's there needs

1035
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:59,320
to. We are making sort of a, we
are making a reference. Is this

1036
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,920
Adam Curry: your? Is this your
dei pitch that you're about to

1037
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:03,240
do? Yes,

1038
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:12,900
Dave Jones: yeah, yeah. So we
have quotas, so the so I'm

1039
01:04:12,900 --> 01:04:15,540
trying to, I'm trying to find a
way to marry those things

1040
01:04:15,540 --> 01:04:18,720
together. I specifically did not
use the word standard because I

1041
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:22,160
don't think that the namespace
is a standard. I think it's a

1042
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:26,900
reference. It's a reference to
say, if you want to put this

1043
01:04:26,900 --> 01:04:30,080
type of information in your
feed, here's the way to do it.

1044
01:04:31,940 --> 01:04:35,300
And when you think about it as
that, then you can say, Well,

1045
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:44,140
okay, a standard means that that
I'm gonna I'm gonna have to do

1046
01:04:44,140 --> 01:04:46,780
it this way, or else nobody's
gonna be able to look and see my

1047
01:04:46,780 --> 01:04:53,080
stuff right? A reference is more
like, here's the way you can do

1048
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:58,300
it, and this will make sense if
other people write their stuff

1049
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,560
Adam Curry: to do. Read it yet,
to decode it, right?

1050
01:05:01,620 --> 01:05:03,840
Dave Jones: If we're all looking
at the same as long as we're all

1051
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,500
looking at the same reference
implementation, then we'll all

1052
01:05:07,500 --> 01:05:12,180
be able to read the same stuff.
So this got me thinking about

1053
01:05:12,180 --> 01:05:17,940
sort of an, like, a quote,
unquote appendix. So, you know,

1054
01:05:17,940 --> 01:05:22,460
we have things like, we will
have things like the images tag

1055
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:31,460
and funding tag and all the and
blah, blah, blah. But if we're

1056
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:35,720
we could also have like an, sort
of an, I don't know if appendix

1057
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,960
is the right thing to call it,
but some other section of the

1058
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,220
document that says, Hey, these
are not things that have been

1059
01:05:42,220 --> 01:05:47,440
formally adopted into the
namespace XML and s document,

1060
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:51,520
but these are other tags that
are in the wild that use the

1061
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:57,760
podcast namespace. So they here
are some. Here are some other

1062
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:02,220
examples of tags that we have
seen that we know are in use,

1063
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:08,280
that we want you to know that
you may encounter. So in that,

1064
01:06:08,580 --> 01:06:16,140
in that respect, you could have
some, some and the reason I

1065
01:06:16,140 --> 01:06:20,420
think this is important, you
could have some player, excuse

1066
01:06:20,420 --> 01:06:26,300
me, some feed producers that use
a tag, and we know this is

1067
01:06:26,300 --> 01:06:31,400
already the case in slot, you
know, they use a tag in slightly

1068
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:36,920
the wrong way, and that could be
documented so that we just are

1069
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:40,900
all aware that this is the case.
It could be that. Look, you may,

1070
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:46,360
you may see this tag, this thing
called a banner tag. We know

1071
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,940
that this thing is in use
because it meets a particular

1072
01:06:48,940 --> 01:06:55,060
need. When you see it, here's
what to do with it, even though

1073
01:06:55,120 --> 01:07:01,020
the reference is not saying we
would, you know, we think that

1074
01:07:01,020 --> 01:07:05,160
the way to do a banner is this
way. It's really, I guess what

1075
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:09,120
I'm saying is it's a way for the
reference that is the namespace,

1076
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:13,320
to stay a little less
opinionated. And I know that's

1077
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:18,120
going to drive people nuts,
because people love to nerd.

1078
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:23,420
Nerds love to be super
opinionated about stuff, but I

1079
01:07:23,420 --> 01:07:26,300
don't know if you think about
it, I don't know that that's

1080
01:07:26,300 --> 01:07:30,680
ever been the way that we've
approached this. And I feel like

1081
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:38,420
this is a way that where people
could satisfy their own needs

1082
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,520
and also have

1083
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:44,680
Adam Curry: a place where that
right and then say, Okay, this

1084
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:47,080
is, this is what I'm doing.
Here's how you read it. This is

1085
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:51,100
how this is how it's this is how
it's happening.

1086
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:54,640
Dave Jones: Yeah, so think
about, think about it this way.

1087
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:59,440
It's on. It's not that much
different than what already

1088
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,340
happens in the world of
namespaces. There's a Media

1089
01:08:02,340 --> 01:08:04,680
namespace, there's an iTunes
namespace, there's a podcast

1090
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:08,040
namespace, there's a Dublin Core
namespace, there's all these

1091
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:11,400
namespaces, and some of them
have over overlapping

1092
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:14,880
functionality. The media the
Media namespace has a thumbnail

1093
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:20,400
tag, the iTunes namespace has an
image tag. Podcast, Sethi

1094
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:23,240
Adam Curry: and Daniel J Lewis
are going to create millions of

1095
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:24,920
references. I

1096
01:08:26,180 --> 01:08:29,660
Dave Jones: feel like we just
open the open the barn door and

1097
01:08:29,660 --> 01:08:33,380
let Sam run out with you know,
on a stallion, he's going to go

1098
01:08:33,380 --> 01:08:39,920
nuts now, but it you we already
have these different namespaces

1099
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:45,220
that have sometimes overlapping
tag functionality, and what we

1100
01:08:45,220 --> 01:08:49,660
have is a reference for all of
them that says, Okay, if you see

1101
01:08:49,660 --> 01:08:52,180
this thing, here's how you
handle it. If you see this other

1102
01:08:52,180 --> 01:08:55,300
thing, here's how you handle it.
If you see this other if you see

1103
01:08:55,300 --> 01:08:57,760
media thumbnail, here's what you
do with do these things

1104
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:01,680
Adam Curry: eventually migrate
into the namespace. If there's

1105
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:02,640
broad adoption,

1106
01:09:03,420 --> 01:09:05,040
Dave Jones: I don't think they
have to. I mean, they're

1107
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,800
already, once we do they're
already essentially, if we do it

1108
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:11,460
this way, they're essentially
there already, you because that

1109
01:09:11,460 --> 01:09:20,600
that's what this is, sort of a
formalizing of community. Okay,

1110
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:26,300
here's a perfect example,
Stephen Bell. Stephen Bell added

1111
01:09:26,300 --> 01:09:31,820
in an attribute to the live item
tag that was not, that was not

1112
01:09:31,820 --> 01:09:35,540
supposed to be there, right?
That's the the web socket, the

1113
01:09:35,540 --> 01:09:40,600
chat URL. Oh, right, yes, yes,
yes, for live, for IRC, that

1114
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,420
was, that was an attribute he
purely made up and just stuck it

1115
01:09:43,420 --> 01:09:47,020
in there himself. It was never
in the standard. It was never in

1116
01:09:47,020 --> 01:09:52,480
the, excuse me, the namespace.
But everybody saw it, and

1117
01:09:52,480 --> 01:09:56,320
everybody knew how to handle it,
and so pod verse started using

1118
01:09:56,320 --> 01:10:00,360
it too, and that's what, that's
what I'm saying those. Kinds of

1119
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:04,620
things. When we see them happen,
they could be documented in a

1120
01:10:04,620 --> 01:10:08,820
separate part of the namespace
that says, here's some things

1121
01:10:08,820 --> 01:10:12,480
that you may see that will fall
under the podcast name, that

1122
01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:16,200
will be claiming to be a part of
the podcast namespace, even

1123
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:18,060
though they've never gone
through the formalization

1124
01:10:18,060 --> 01:10:21,920
process. And I think that that's
fine.

1125
01:10:21,980 --> 01:10:23,600
Adam Curry: I'm good with it. If
you're good with it, I'm

1126
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,480
Dave Jones: good with it, as
long as we document it, yeah.

1127
01:10:26,480 --> 01:10:29,060
Then the reference stays what it
is a reference.

1128
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:32,840
Adam Curry: It's about to get
real fun everybody.

1129
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:35,480
Dave Jones: I don't think it
will. I

1130
01:10:35,480 --> 01:10:38,240
Adam Curry: really don't see
it's gonna be fun. Because

1131
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:41,020
people see you kind of as the as
the guy who's like, oh, well,

1132
01:10:41,020 --> 01:10:43,060
we're gonna put this in the
namespace or not. You watch.

1133
01:10:43,060 --> 01:10:44,260
It's gonna be interesting,

1134
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,220
Dave Jones: you know? And that's
the thing that I'm trying to

1135
01:10:48,220 --> 01:10:51,760
tame a little bit. I don't, I
don't necessarily want to be the

1136
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:52,660
guy.

1137
01:10:53,620 --> 01:10:57,100
Adam Curry: I understand. You're
good. We like you as dictator.

1138
01:10:57,100 --> 01:10:59,860
You're good people like
dictators, don't you know that?

1139
01:11:00,460 --> 01:11:05,640
Dave Jones: Oh, yes, I've heard
this. But I think, I think that

1140
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:09,540
this was, this is a and I'm not
simply trying to be to find

1141
01:11:09,540 --> 01:11:12,120
compromise. I just think, I
think it's a good idea. I think

1142
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:14,520
it's already happening, and I
think this is a way to

1143
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:19,380
acknowledge that it's happening,
and in a way that doesn't make

1144
01:11:19,380 --> 01:11:23,240
anybody lose their mind, yeah,
and get mad at each other and

1145
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:24,380
stuff. Well,

1146
01:11:24,980 --> 01:11:27,200
Adam Curry: this is the perfect
moment to play some music. I

1147
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:31,220
don't know why, but it just
feels, it feels like the perfect

1148
01:11:31,220 --> 01:11:35,300
moment so we can all just
reflect on that. Tony Salamone

1149
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:41,380
released some fresh music into
the value verse, and it's kind

1150
01:11:41,380 --> 01:11:44,800
of one of those Friday jams, you
know, like, let's shred a little

1151
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:48,940
bit already. This is unleash on
podcasting 2.0 remember to

1152
01:11:48,940 --> 01:11:49,360
boost.

1153
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:52,300
Unknown: I guess this is
goodbye.

1154
01:11:54,700 --> 01:12:01,980
We know it's been a long time
coming, but now we gotta fight.

1155
01:12:04,860 --> 01:12:10,980
Yes, we've been keeping our
demons hit us. There's fire in

1156
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:18,180
your words, and I know it's
gotta hurt buttons in your

1157
01:12:18,180 --> 01:12:25,340
mouth, and if You want to, you
can let it out. Something's

1158
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:26,120
changing.

1159
01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:03,000
Boost we victims to our face?

1160
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:11,520
Am I guilty or just the first to
walk away? But now you're

1161
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:15,660
talking down to me, and it makes
me kind of glad I didn't say

1162
01:13:15,660 --> 01:13:16,740
Show me your words that

1163
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:39,320
It show me your words.

1164
01:14:21,540 --> 01:14:40,480
I show my got a hold on for me,
thank.

1165
01:15:14,460 --> 01:15:16,920
Adam Curry: Unleash, oh yes,
your weekend has officially

1166
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:17,700
started.

1167
01:15:19,140 --> 01:15:21,800
Dave Jones: That's some good
riffs. Yeah, as

1168
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:26,180
Adam Curry: a, as the as a C
loss on Linux, boosted, wow. Ai,

1169
01:15:26,180 --> 01:15:30,860
music has gotten really good. He
says that's not a, of course,

1170
01:15:30,860 --> 01:15:34,760
not, of course not as good as
great risk. That's

1171
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:39,020
Dave Jones: good stuff. Yeah,
yeah. Miss booster, Grand Ball.

1172
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:41,320
Adam Curry: Well, it's coming
back, baby, Wednesday.

1173
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:42,460
Wednesday, taking

1174
01:15:44,140 --> 01:15:45,220
Dave Jones: it out of the
freezer.

1175
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:47,920
Adam Curry: Okay, yes, yes,
we're going to thaw it out.

1176
01:15:48,820 --> 01:15:52,420
Let's thank some people, as
we're still in the summer.

1177
01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:56,200
Summer hours here, the summer
hours over, Dave's got to get

1178
01:15:56,200 --> 01:16:00,400
back to work. Randall black,
1000 SATs for unleash, right

1179
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:03,660
there. Heard on podcasting, 2.0
hashtag V for v is the only way

1180
01:16:03,660 --> 01:16:08,820
that's right. I just read C loss
on Linux with his 2000 SATs. We

1181
01:16:08,820 --> 01:16:13,680
have 1776 from salty crayon
howdy boardroom. Another big

1182
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:17,100
shout out to Eric PP. He was
helping myself sir libre and

1183
01:16:17,100 --> 01:16:20,340
Kevin bay from SATs and sounds,
with some minor issues of Alby

1184
01:16:20,340 --> 01:16:23,720
hub talking to helipad in
regards to how boostograms show

1185
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,600
up when they are funky
percentages, or however the

1186
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:30,080
splits read from the different V
for V apps running with boost

1187
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:32,780
sauce. All good. That's
interesting because I just got

1188
01:16:33,980 --> 01:16:39,200
one Satoshi from IPFS
podcasting, and it says it was a

1189
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:42,880
200% split. So maybe that's the
issue they're talking about.

1190
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:45,820
Dave Jones: You get, you're
getting splits over 100%

1191
01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:47,200
amazing. It's

1192
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:49,480
Adam Curry: amazing. 500 from
Randall black. What time will

1193
01:16:49,480 --> 01:16:52,540
boost the ground ball? Live be
starting. I'm thinking 3pm on

1194
01:16:52,540 --> 01:16:56,140
Wednesday. I think that's a free
slot on the stream, if not, but

1195
01:16:56,140 --> 01:16:58,840
it'll be on both streams. I'll
have the my own stream and the

1196
01:16:58,900 --> 01:17:03,300
no agenda stream. See lost in
Linux again, 6969 bro, if you

1197
01:17:03,300 --> 01:17:05,820
don't have 4 million YouTube
subs, are you even a real

1198
01:17:05,820 --> 01:17:11,340
podcaster? No 187 million tick
tock views. Actual failure,

1199
01:17:11,340 --> 01:17:16,500
dude. Yeah, exactly. Uh, hey,
citizen, 6969 how many stats to

1200
01:17:16,500 --> 01:17:22,040
unlock? The IRC premium skins
and chat icons? That's funny.

1201
01:17:23,300 --> 01:17:26,900
Silas, again, 1000 SATs, I also
draw on white boards. Okay?

1202
01:17:28,220 --> 01:17:32,000
Salty crayon, 333, his favorite
one is, it's harp. Yes, that's

1203
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:36,020
right, that's that was from our
discussion about hurricane

1204
01:17:36,020 --> 01:17:39,800
Helene, hi from the blueberry
staff retreat in Florida. Says

1205
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:44,560
Mike Dell 1701, with his his
Star Trek. Boost. Go podcasting.

1206
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:49,600
Booberry, 3333 ah, a promo.
Catch, legendary concert and

1207
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:53,320
Podcast Producer, Chad F on
bowls with buds tonight, found

1208
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:57,340
in the bowl after bowl feed or
bowl after bowl.com. 7pm

1209
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,820
Central, right on. Chad,
advertising, that's right.

1210
01:18:00,820 --> 01:18:05,040
Boost, for taisman 1000 from
Chad F and let's see. Then we

1211
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:10,560
had it was all test stuff that
came in early. I do a pre stream

1212
01:18:11,100 --> 01:18:15,300
about 10 after 12 central time
to get everything, everybody

1213
01:18:15,300 --> 01:18:17,640
into the mood, make sure all
systems are working. And I hit

1214
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:19,380
the delimiter. So what you got
on your list?

1215
01:18:20,460 --> 01:18:23,600
Dave Jones: Dave, just following
up on that on air stuff with

1216
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:28,340
Eric PP, yes, Eric PP is always
jumping in to fix, to help fix

1217
01:18:28,340 --> 01:18:33,860
stuff. I also also want to say
that David marzol and Steven

1218
01:18:33,860 --> 01:18:39,500
crater constantly jump in to
fix, to fix all kinds of they do

1219
01:18:39,500 --> 01:18:43,600
all kinds of pull requests for
the web, for the website, oh,

1220
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:47,380
cool, and stuff like that. And
it's very, very helpful. And

1221
01:18:47,380 --> 01:18:50,920
fixing, fixing bad feeds in the
index and stuff. I just wanted

1222
01:18:51,100 --> 01:18:56,380
to say, much appreciated. Yeah,
we got some. We got got a

1223
01:18:56,380 --> 01:19:08,040
PayPal. We got one PayPal. Oh
no, you know who it is. Yes, I

1224
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:10,320
give up. Oscar Mary, $200.20

1225
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:19,320
Adam Curry: inch Blaze only
Impala. Thank you very much,

1226
01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:22,400
Oscar. Mary, appreciate that
keeping the index running.

1227
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:23,240
Brother, thank you.

1228
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:27,560
Dave Jones: We got some booster.
Grams, we got odd. Odyssey West,

1229
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:35,120
okay. Odyssey Westra dash,
nostr. Odyssey, Westra, Nostra,

1230
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:35,720
okay.

1231
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:39,140
Adam Curry: Zapping, five
zapping, 5000 says, Okay, I

1232
01:19:39,140 --> 01:19:40,900
don't know. I don't know. Don't
know how it works.

1233
01:19:41,380 --> 01:19:44,560
Dave Jones: 5000 stats through
fountain. He says, Great show

1234
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:47,200
you guys have, I love to hear
about the behind the scenes work

1235
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:52,780
when it comes to podcasting. 2.0
with regards, with regards to

1236
01:19:52,780 --> 01:19:56,500
with auto generating voices for
podcasting. This is happening

1237
01:19:56,500 --> 01:19:59,620
with YouTube shorts and a lot of
summary type videos for movies

1238
01:19:59,620 --> 01:20:02,580
and show. Those, I wouldn't be
surprised. The same thing is

1239
01:20:02,580 --> 01:20:06,000
happening in podcasting. You're
all right, though, for me, I do

1240
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:08,520
prefer the personal touch with
podcasts, so hopefully it will,

1241
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:11,460
it won't be as big of an issue
as it is on video sharing sites.

1242
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:21,200
Gene Everett 3333 through
fountain, he said for the

1243
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:23,660
episode, grep pipe, he says.

1244
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:27,680
Adam Curry: He says, boost boost
boost, yeah, boost boost boost

1245
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:29,780
boost boost boost boost. There
it is.

1246
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:33,500
Dave Jones: Cole McCormick, 2222
through fountain. He says, I saw

1247
01:20:33,500 --> 01:20:37,340
that Forbes article and thought
it was great, except for Frank,

1248
01:20:37,340 --> 01:20:40,180
the author, calling V for V
tipping. Yes,

1249
01:20:40,180 --> 01:20:43,180
Adam Curry: I know it hurt me
too, but I looked at it when you

1250
01:20:43,180 --> 01:20:46,000
know, you know, it's better than
nothing.

1251
01:20:47,020 --> 01:20:49,300
Dave Jones: I also want to share
with the boardroom that I'm

1252
01:20:49,300 --> 01:20:53,380
producing videos for pod home on
YouTube and other socials. Look

1253
01:20:53,380 --> 01:20:56,920
for the podcast. Normie, YouTube
channel. Videos will be up

1254
01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:58,000
weekly. Go podcasting.

1255
01:20:58,060 --> 01:21:00,480
Adam Curry: Oh, podcast. Normie.
Go podcasting. You. Casting.

1256
01:21:04,500 --> 01:21:08,580
Dave Jones: Gene bean, 2222
through fountain. He says the

1257
01:21:08,580 --> 01:21:12,480
person href is not suitable as
an identifier because sometimes

1258
01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:15,600
the link goes to a page, like
the staff page of a church,

1259
01:21:15,900 --> 01:21:18,720
instead of a page for the single
person. This means all staff

1260
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:24,560
members get the same URL. Good
point. Now it's a good point.

1261
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:26,960
And this also is,

1262
01:21:28,100 --> 01:21:31,280
Adam Curry: is a that's
publisher error in my in my

1263
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:32,480
book. Well,

1264
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:36,439
Dave Jones: I was go, I was
going there. But, you know, this

1265
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:41,319
is sort of like one of those
things where people are going to

1266
01:21:41,319 --> 01:21:42,639
do stuff the wrong way.

1267
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:46,360
Adam Curry: Yes, it happens in
all tags, every single tag

1268
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:52,720
Dave Jones: and and I can see
what he's trying to say is stay

1269
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:56,680
as far away from from allowing
people to do things the wrong

1270
01:21:56,680 --> 01:22:01,680
way as you can. So like that, I
think, and I think I understand

1271
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:05,280
the spirit of what he's saying,
and I think that's a good point,

1272
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:11,160
that if you, if you have an open
href, then you're making it

1273
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:15,420
pretty easy to just not do the
right thing, right because I

1274
01:22:15,420 --> 01:22:20,040
keep going back to Tom Rossi's
thing that he said, If you stick

1275
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:22,440
an empty text box on a page,
somebody's going to stick

1276
01:22:22,440 --> 01:22:25,940
something in. Something in it,
yeah, for sure, what it is you

1277
01:22:25,940 --> 01:22:28,760
don't know. You never know. You
never know. That's true. Okay,

1278
01:22:28,820 --> 01:22:33,620
the message heard Geneva, okay.
5000 sets from G anonymous

1279
01:22:33,860 --> 01:22:38,060
through fountain, he says, Party
on Wayne. Party on Garth. Grep,

1280
01:22:38,060 --> 01:22:42,940
cut. F3, dash six. Dash D,
comma, boom, pipe, grab the

1281
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:46,180
pipe, sort and your data
analyst. Golf, Victor, Lima,

1282
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:49,960
Adam Curry: I'm in total
agreement.

1283
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Dave Jones: I'm gonna have to
run that command through,

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Adam Curry: right? Don't do it
as root, whatever you do. No,

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Dave Jones: I'm all fair, okay.
Delimiter, commentary. Blogger,

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says, howdy. Fellow microphone

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connoisseurs, Adam and Dave, I'd
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Andrew is talking there about

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topics including polishing

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achieve total microphone bliss

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CSB, oh,

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Adam Curry: I'll have to check
out his his content creator

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topics, podcast on YouTube. I

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Dave Jones: thought he was about
to say that he's covering topics

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such as polishing your
microphone.

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Adam Curry: That actually helps
polishing I always polish my mic

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before I start. I'm a big, good
proponent of polishing the mic.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, just the top,
just just the

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Adam Curry: top, just the tip.

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Dave Jones: And what do we got?
We got some monthly so we've got

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Cameron rose, $25 Pedro gun,
Calvin's $5 Kevin Bay, five

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bucks. Chad Farrow, Chad F, 22
$20.22 Brendan from pod page, we

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got to get Brendan on the show,
right? Oh,

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Adam Curry: definitely,
definitely, definitely, we have

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Daniel. Daniel J, next week I
see

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01:24:34,940 --> 01:24:37,760
Dave Jones: Yeah. DJ L, coming
live on the show. Now, did

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Adam Curry: he? Did he just
badger you long enough until you

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gave in. You're like, okay, no,

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01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:46,000
Dave Jones: no, he did not. I
reached out of my own volition.

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There was no pressure. I'm

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Adam Curry: just kidding. Just
kidding. Daniel J, just kidding.

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Dave Jones: I was I was doing, I
was driving to work, and I

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thought, and I had an epiphany,

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01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:58,060
Adam Curry: need Daniel. Need
more. Daniel J, Lewis, yeah,

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need

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Dave Jones: more. DJ L, and then
I. Reached out, and he was like,

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Yep, let's do it. Excellent.
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Adam Curry: Thank you very much,
everybody for your boost, for

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that? Someone said it here,
well, I'm looking for it. It was

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a Pfeiffer said you can tip
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today. It's, it's so odd, man,
we had a follow up call with did

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we talk about that? Was it this
week? When we do have the, we

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01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:00,960
have that follow up call this?
No, I I talked to, I talked to

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01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:05,880
KJ, I did a follow up with him.
And, and it's so hard for these

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commercial companies when we
say, you know, we don't really

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need any money. You know, we
don't want a business

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relationship with you, but if
you're taxing our machines,

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we'll probably say, hey, you
know, can you, can you flip some

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money our way so we can put
another machine in that they

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find it so it's so hard for them
to understand. I

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Dave Jones: hate contracts. I
never want to sign one. I just

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01:26:26,060 --> 01:26:29,360
can we just always do
handshakes. I'm with you. I'm

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with you. Nods, nods and winks
and handshakes. That's fine with

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me.

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01:26:32,540 --> 01:26:34,640
Adam Curry: Let me nod and wink
and shake your hand right now.

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01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:37,700
Dave Jones, I got you out four
minutes early. How beautiful is

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that? Oh,

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01:26:38,900 --> 01:26:40,580
Dave Jones: that's beautiful.
All right, boardroom.

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01:26:40,580 --> 01:26:42,700
Adam Curry: Thank you very much
for being here, brother, Dave,

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have yourself a great weekend.
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