Podcasting 2.0 for November 22nd, 2024, episode
201, fugue state.
Well, hello, everybody, as we end the month
of November.
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end, Mr. Dave Jones.
Does anybody know the etymology of spill the
beans?
Spill the, uh, uh, it probably- When
somebody tells you to spill the beans, like
what, why is that a thing?
I think it was spill the beans.
Now it's spill some tea is what the
kids are saying these days.
Yeah, that's what I was hearing on Power.
Oh, you were hearing that on Power?
I was listening to Power.
I listened to Power.
Yeah, that's where James said he didn't understand
the phrase spill the tea.
And I was like, well, isn't it supposed
to be spill the beans?
And then I was like, well, where did
that come from?
Well, let's see.
It's probably the beans.
Doesn't it sound like a Dutch weird thing?
Let's see.
Um, there's 1574 quote for spill it, meaning
to divulge, let out the spilling of beans
endures with outside the U.S., blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah.
Popular folk for spin.
Oh, here it is.
A popular folk etymology for spill the beans
claims that in ancient Greece, applicants for membership
in secret societies were voted upon by having
the existing members drop beans into an opaque
pottery jar.
It just sounds so Dutch, like, like the
literal translation of some Dutch thing would be
like, let out the beans or something like
that.
Let out the beans.
No, I don't think that I can't even
think of a, of a, uh, of an
equivalent in Dutch.
Honestly, spill the tea.
Let's see.
Where does this come from?
Yeah.
Release the beans.
Title.
There we go.
Show title release.
We had chili last night.
Melissa made a great chili.
And I can tell you that you've been
releasing the beans.
Yes.
Ever since.
Let's see.
Let me see what it doesn't have.
I don't have an etymology from really the
tea.
That's just the etymology of spill.
The tea is tick tock.
There you go.
It's done.
Or real housewives of Beverly Hills.
Wow.
So I too was listening to, uh, to
James and Sam on the, uh, on the
power, power hour.
I just want it to be called power
news hour.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah, exactly.
And, uh, this is the episode where, where
James dropped a lot of boost bombs, boost
bombs.
Oh, you didn't hear the whole show.
Um, I'm getting close to the end.
I skipped one of the interviews.
He was dropping F bombs, but he replaced
his, his expletives with a boost.
He was dropping boost bombs.
Yeah.
And I did hear that.
I like that by the way.
The boost bombs.
Yeah.
It's much better than a thing like that.
And it could get people to donate.
Although, you know, I sent a hundred thousand
sats on the last, for the last episode,
just like, Hey, I love the show.
And, uh, to power, to power.
Yeah.
And, uh, so I'm listening to the booster
gram corner and I don't hear anything.
I go, look, my, uh, podcast guru, which
is connected to Albie, which is connected to
my Albie hub has been failing for about
two weeks.
Uh, and I don't, I mean, I can't
get any info from the app obviously, but
I'm like, holy mackerel.
And I had also boosted, did a mega,
mega massive boost to, um, this week in
Bitcoin, same thing.
I was like, this was my week, you
know, like, Hey, I'm going to, I'm going
to bless everybody.
This is my week.
No, no, no.
I'm, this is my week where I'm, I'm,
I'm blessing people with boosts and, uh, and
they all failed.
And then, uh, and then it started working
again as I was streaming sats.
I'm like, this is, you know, the problem
seemed to occur when I, uh, when I
installed Albie hub and hooked up my wallet.
So I don't know.
I don't know what that is.
It could be a number of things.
What was that little noise?
I just heard that was, I think that
came from me.
No, I think it came from me.
It's interesting.
I've been hearing this off and on.
I wonder, you know, I thought it came
from IRC.
Oh, you're right.
No, that's me.
You are so right.
Mutes tab.
There we go.
That's my fault.
Okay.
Thanks.
That wasn't IRC blipple.
A blipple.
Anyway, I just wanted to say, cause James
is mad.
You know, James is mad about people about
YouTube and the industry's going down the YouTubes.
I like mad James.
Mad James is one of my favorite James.
It is.
I'm, I'm, I'm all in on that.
Mad boost, boost dropping.
James is my favorite.
Yeah.
More of that, please.
Now, of course, this comes after the entire
industry sucked off YouTube for, for years.
Oh yeah.
It's great.
We'll connect you.
Yeah.
We'll be able to upload.
Oh, it's fantastic.
Oh, YouTube does podcasts now.
Oh, YouTube music is great.
Oh, it's fantastic.
So I think there was a lot of
active participation.
It's the biggest platform for listening to podcasts
based on every, every, based on every, you
know, that's what every study claims to report.
Yeah.
And we did this work, what about a
year ago we went through and showed that
that can't be the case because only like
25% of the top shows are even
on YouTube.
And I went and looked at the view
count for all the episodes and they were
like in the thousands.
Yeah.
That's a complete fabrication.
Well, lies, lies and damn statistics.
But I want to say two things.
I'd like to say this about that.
This is a cycle.
We've been through this cycle before when podcasting
popped, podcasting popped, a lot of excitement.
Everything was groovy, was rocking and rolling.
And then YouTube came along and I can
go through the whole cycle.
We had venture capital investors and right away
they're like, you got to do video.
You got to do video.
And the advertisers are like, you got to
do video.
You got to do video.
And we switched everything to video, switched the
name of the company from Podshow to Mevio,
started doing video, losing our shirt on the
cost, of course, because we had to make
it as cheap as possible.
And it took about seven or eight years
and then boom, audio was back.
And why was it back?
Because of, uh, cereal.
So people go not towards.
So when I hear the experts in pundits,
expert in pundits say, well, is, is whatever
people call a podcast and is wherever the
audience is.
It's not wherever the audience is.
It's wherever the content is.
So if we have awesome content that people
want and it's only on podcast apps, they
will go there.
That is the bottom line.
It is not that the audience is by
definition lazy.
And that's not, that's not a put down.
It's just normal.
Um, I've been looking at studies and I'd
love for a power, uh, and angry James
to, uh, that's not what his name is.
Angry James.
I'd love for angry, jangry, jangry.
He's jangry.
Another possible show title.
Um, I'd love to know about these stats
because I still think there's a very high
amount of listeners who will just go to
a website or, you know, a show site
and click on a play button and SWA
and it's good to go.
Um, I don't think all, all podcasts that
are with RSS feeds are necessarily listened to
in a podcast app.
I'm just, I have enough evidence in my
own environment to know.
And a lot of people, you know, they
just don't manage their experience that way.
And just to have one place where you
get your instructional videos, where you get your
kid videos, we get everything else.
Oh, there's podcasts.
And Oh, that's, this is where I get
Joe Rogan.
Um, I think it's very understandable, but that
doesn't mean that that's because, uh, people want
video it's because it's there, whether they're listening
or watching.
And I still put huge question marks behind
the, the, they're all watching on YouTube.
I think there's a lot of listening going
on.
Um, well, I can tell you from just
from my personal habits, uh, I think you're
a hundred percent correct.
I think that the, wherever you have great
content, people will jump over whatever hurdles needed
to get always, always.
And that is true with me personally, because
there, you know, uh, one of my, one
of my must listens every week is America
this week with Tybee and Walter Kern.
And I never miss an episode with that.
That's on anybody's podcast list.
There's probably what, maybe two or three podcasts
that you really cared deeply about and would
be sad if they went away.
There's, you know, most of them, like you,
you may enjoy a lot of podcasts, but
there's probably only maybe two or three that
you, that you really would hurt to lose
them.
Um, and that's one of mine, that's one
of this on my, on my short list
there.
And so I will, I currently, they, it's
weird.
So they publish one episode a week on
Fridays, uh, through sub stack.
And so I subscribe to it.
I pay them, you know, five bucks a
month or whatever the subscription cost is.
I subscribe to it.
I've got a private feed for that.
And, and I listened to that through my
podcast out to cast a medic.
Um, but then they also do a Monday
night live stream.
That's only on Monday night live.
Yeah.
And they, that Monday night live stream is
never published in the podcast feed.
So it's only on YouTube and I don't
subscribe to a YouTube premium.
So I can't listen to it in the
background on a closed device.
I have to keep the screen open if
you know, and all the hassle that that
entails, like you have to, so what I
have to do is on, you know, on
Monday, on a Tuesday mornings I go and
I, I hit, I start the episode playing
on YouTube and then I stick it in
my pocket with the screen facing outward so
that I don't accidentally hit the screen and
touch an ad and then navigate away all
this nonsense.
And every time, every few minutes, an ad
plays and I have to go and skip
it, man, it's the biggest pain in the
butt, but I do it every single Tuesday
because I love the content I'm willing to
do.
I'm willing to make my life, you know,
complicated because of this content that, that you're
right on with that.
So examples from my own life, you know,
pivot my hate, listen on the media.
My other hate, listen, they're not on YouTube.
They are very successful, highly successful in numbers
and possibly money.
I don't know.
I don't care, but they're very successful.
And, you know, people may access them through
a web browser or, you know, just clicking
on something or maybe in a podcast app,
but they're not on YouTube.
They don't have videos.
So, you know, why are they breaking the
mold?
Well, it's because of the content, whether you
like it or hate it, if you're going
to, if you want it, you're going to
go get it where you can get it,
which is in this case, wherever you get
your podcast, which is also on the website.
So this is a cycle.
And when we have another break, Oh, by
the way, proof is in the pudding.
People actually paid money to follow Joe Rogan
to Spotify.
You couldn't get it anywhere else.
They paid money to go and follow him
on Spotify in the millions.
Now Spotify had a flawed strategy in that
regard, but that's because that content is what
people want.
So now if podcasters or anyone who's producing
content, I abhor the creator nomiker moniker.
If they want to upload to YouTube and
build their audience there, and I know I'm
sounding like Todd, I'm sorry.
And, you know, and with all the possible
downside, like before I came to our church
here in Fredericksburg, the YouTube was their place.
YouTube was where they put, I'm sorry, Facebook.
Facebook was where they put everything.
Oh, oh, that's sad.
That gives me shivers.
Yeah.
And they built up a following and they
were actively maintaining it.
And, you know, once I got in there,
I'm like, you know, let's see what y
'all are doing.
And, uh, and they get so many strikes
and they, oh yeah, they've had to have,
you know, it was initially, well, you're playing
music that isn't licensed.
Well, believe me, these churches have all, they
pay up the wazoo for licenses to do
exactly this.
And in addition, Facebook also pays licenses.
So it is well covered, but you got
to go back.
You got to go get your channel reinstated.
Um, then it's like a short, oh, uh,
you know, that was politically motivated content.
You know, something our pastor said about voting,
you know, that strike and you're down.
So if you want to live like that,
okay.
Um, yeah.
If you want to, if you want to
know how that works, go talk to Brian
of London and see his Facebook experience, which
is led to a lawsuit.
Yes.
And his Twitter experience, et cetera, et cetera.
Then, and, and, you know, you can say,
well, you shouldn't have done that, but no,
I mean, this is only going to get
worse.
Then social networks are falling apart because of
it.
So it's cute.
People are building up audience and followers and
profile.
They've been over 42,000, um, harm, harm,
harm reports put in on blue sky.
Because they're losing their mind over there.
That place is ridiculous.
And, you know, and, and X is no,
but it all sucks.
It all sucks.
And then what did they do?
They took the basic premise of a newsfeed
of RSS and they replicated that with algorithms.
And if you don't have the algorithms, by
the way, you won't be successful.
I hate, I hate, I don't want to
bash, but see Nostra Nostra.
Oh yeah.
Nostra is just mastodon and mastodon.
It's not an exciting experience because there's no
algorithm and there's, and the engagement is, it
just doesn't happen.
So more and more, I see people going
back to publishing on the web, using stuff
like ghost and other and other publishing tools.
Um, I think we're going to see the
same issues with sub stack, by the way,
whenever you are posting something and, and you
use the company name as, um, as the
name for what you're doing by saying, yeah,
I wrote a sub stack.
You're in deep trouble.
You're already giving up yourself to that company.
Yeah.
Like a medium article.
Yeah.
Same thing.
And look how that turned out.
It didn't turn out great.
So a couple of things about this.
So, so the cycle I've seen the cycle
I've lived in the cycle, the podcasting grew.
Well, podcasting went from page one to page
two to page 37 below the fold to
gone in a matter of months.
And it was all YouTube and YouTube and
YouTube and the revolution and broadcast yourself.
And, uh, and the venture capital guys like,
Oh, you've got to be like YouTube.
You've got to be like YouTube.
Cause they only follow, you know, nonsense.
And, uh, we didn't stick to our guns.
And I think that was a mistake ultimately.
And in the meantime, and the result is
you double your, you double your overhead and
do not, and do not increase your, your
subscribers or your pay at all.
Correct.
And you have, you can be, uh, demoted,
de-boosted, demonetized, all kinds of things can
happen.
That's just a fact of life and everybody
knows it.
So a number of people will think that
this is the way to go.
And we just have to sit and wait
patiently.
There will be some content, something that's amazing
and people will flock to it and it
will be audio only.
And we'll have another resurgence and the VC
will come in there and we'll have all
kinds of things happening.
It is a cycle.
I've seen it.
I've lived it.
I got the t-shirt.
I have this, the bumper sticker, the VHS
version.
I have everything, everything.
It also feels like we're at the end
of a, it feels like we're at the
end of a podcast sort of, um, um,
epic, maybe, and I'm not sure what freight,
what, what term to use for this season,
a season where we're at the end of
a podcast season where, um, the popularity of
the, of the current formats, not just interview,
but there's, there's a few different formats like
watch, you know, episode rewatch, a television rewatch
podcast.
Like there's all these formats.
They're just been sort of boilerplate formats.
And it feels like a lot of those,
like Ashley Carmen had an article yesterday about
it in our newsletter about the, how these
interview shows are starting to just kind of
wane because people are just tired of the,
the listeners are tired of listening to them.
And the, and the podcasters are tired of
doing them because it just feels like this
sort of like, you know, churn this wheel
that you keep spinning.
Yes.
And then we have the culture war economy
podcasts and they all go on each other
shows.
Yeah, exactly.
It feels like we're at the end of
that, that, that, that, uh, season where we're
I'm looking, I look forward to, um, I
look forward to what new formats may emerge
when everybody gets tired of this.
I think we accidentally took our own advice
and created something that may be the next
version of this, um, combining mission-specific, uh,
applications and hyper-local podcasts.
And I think I'd just like to talk
a little bit about that, which is our
super secret project.
SSP.
And, and in a nutshell, it is a
mission-specific podcast player that is managed by
someone who has a live stream and the
live stream is meant to drive people to
the podcast player.
So they can, so you can have one
type of content or maybe all of this
content, whatever you want on the, it's very
much like the no agenda stream, um, format
in a way that we're the no agenda
stream.
If you've never listened to it, no agenda
dot stream.
It's 24 hours a day of podcasts that,
uh, I'd say about, I don't know, Sir
Ben Rose might know probably about 40%.
Um, stream it live, maybe less, but about,
I think about 40% and people have
a chat room, uh, which it changes name.
So it's the troll room for no agenda.
It's, uh, it's the board room for podcasting
2.0, though we have a sub channel,
a sub chamber.
Um, and, and the referral is, so you
listen to that in your player, wherever you
get your podcasts and you refer back to
that and there are the podcasts that are
either on it.
So if you missed it, you can pick
it up and it's, and it's there, you
know, it's, it's, it's not, it's not just
an open player that has everything is very
specific and it's kind of, it's programmed just
like no agenda stream is programs or Ben
Rose programs that stream.
And there's a, it's a lineup.
Yeah.
It's a, it's a, it's a clock.
Um, and so we've accidentally kind of taken,
so in that case, the hyper local part
is a relatively small, no agenda nation audience,
which, you know, uh, with the next program
becomes Nick the rat sewer, or the next
program becomes, uh, Darren O'Neill's, uh, rock
and roll pre-show or the grumpy old
Ben's or the grand old dames, you know,
with buds and bowls with buds.
And it becomes hype.
These are very hyper local because these are
hyper local podcasts of, um, communities of interest.
Right.
And what we're doing is literally geographic locations,
hyper local.
And, um, uh, with, and it's mission specific.
Does that, do you think that's a pretty
good explanation of what we're doing?
Yeah, I think so.
It's, it's like, um, it's yeah.
The ability to create, you know, to create
a player that has a, you can turn,
well, try to figure out the right way.
I think you described it.
Well, I'm trying to figure out how to
sum it up, but you could say it
in a, in a single phrase, maybe, you
know, you can turn any, you can turn
anything into a radio station.
Yes.
Um, yourself, your, your, your, your sort of
group that you hang out with your church,
your neighborhood, like you can turn anything into
a radio station by just adding, you know,
adding these shows to your lineup and, and,
and having a live stream to go, to
go with it.
Yep.
Everybody can be a radio.
Well, everybody's got pod.
Everybody's got transmitters.
Excuse me.
Everybody's got receivers in your, in your pocket,
which are podcast apps and everybody's got transmitters,
uh, available to them with podcasting.
So then it's a programmable transmitter.
It's the station.
This is the station.
Yes, the station.
Yeah, exactly.
We'll be talking more about that as time
progresses.
Yeah.
Um, but I wanted to talk for a
second about the, a general demure, very thoughtful,
very demure attitude amongst some developers and podcasters,
uh, who feel that, uh, they they're feeling,
uh, somewhat dismayed.
Some are feeling disillusioned and I'm, you know,
I, I troll on the telegram group, so
I can get a part of this is
the Albie apocalypse, uh, which, you know, is,
is not, is not important as to what
happened there or what's happening.
Uh, it's clearly not working out for, uh,
for podcasting.
Although I think they have generally have the
good intentions for podcasters, but for podcast app
users is really not a solution.
And, uh, just as we were about, just
as you actually amongst your three existing job,
we're about to code up the, a new
example of how we could move forward.
Boom.
Oscar pops in now.
I know he's going to be, he was
going to be on the show today.
He's going to be on the show next
week, but I really, I would like to
give everybody a little boost just by explaining
what he did.
And, and I, can we, can we share
this with people?
Can people take a look at this?
I mean, it's public.
He, I, I presume he meant it to
be public.
I told him that I would, um, paste
the link into the boardroom instead of like
saying it on the show.
That way we get, yeah, that's a great
idea.
Should I do it right now or you
got it?
I'm doing it.
I got it.
Let's see.
So what this is for the listeners out
there, this is a, a mock-up, uh,
but it is where it works of boosting
a podcast by connecting a rando strike wallet.
Now we've been just discussing strike as a
possible option for simplicity's sake for, um, people
who just want to get into it and
just want to do some, some boosting and
want to get into value for value without
too many, uh, hiccups and difficulties and misinterpretations.
And I think it's undeniable that the strike
wallet, the strike app is very consumer friendly.
The, I, did you have, did you go
through a KYC with them?
I didn't, I didn't get a KYC.
I was just able to connect it and
it was fine to me.
Oh, you mean when I connected to the
pay, to the test app?
When, no, just when you connected to your
card or your bank or whatever.
Oh, back in the day when I set
it up so long ago, I don't even
remember me, me and you were, I think
we were in the beta of strike.
I mean, we were very early.
Yeah.
So it's for all intents and purposes, it
works just like Venmo or cash app.
And I actually hope that this same system
will be able to set up with a
cash app and possibly, um, I think PayPal
is talking about doing something.
And so they do not do lightning.
I mean, they did not do key send.
The key send seems to have just been
deprecated into the depths of a Bitcoin hell,
uh, which is, which is understandable.
Bolt 12 is on the way and bolt
11.
And, um, now we made that choice early
on for a number of reasons.
Uh, those may be anachronistic at this point.
Possibly.
So, um, but when you, when you get
a strike wallet, it's quite simple to set
up.
You can look at your, at your funds
in, um, in a Fiat or in, uh,
Satoshi's, you can, uh, buy and sell Bitcoin
there.
It's right.
It's all in one place.
So there's no third party app.
You have to go to, you can hook
it up directly to your bank account the
way you do with, uh, with Venmo.
And, uh, it is a, that is a
rather large corporation that I think people feel
comfortable with and trust, uh, with their, um,
with their information, their credentials and their money.
Right.
And what, uh, what, uh, Oscar has done
here is he's created an example where you
can connect your strike wallet to this, uh,
boost page, which would be an app.
And in the background, it's just doing a
very is actually the strike wall.
It does it very nicely.
You enter in your email address that you
use for your strike account.
It emails you a code, you put the
code right into the website and you're done.
You're connected.
You're done.
You're OAuth right away.
And he put in this example, the, uh,
podcast LN address spec, uh, and I've tested
it and it works flawlessly.
Yeah.
Works great.
Do I need, do we need to add
some more here?
Uh, well, so let me, let me step
back for a minute.
If you, if you, if you will, uh,
if you will indulge me, can I add
one more thing before, before I step back
and, and give you the floor and the
microphone, the headset, it's a headset.
You can use the strike wallet solution, both
directions as a podcaster.
You can also use that with your, uh,
strike LN address, LN URL address, LN, what
is it?
LN address.
So you can also, yes, you can also
receive and send from the same wallet, which
will make it very, very, uh, comfortable for
artists and new podcasters.
Of course, all of this, uh, leaves the,
uh, the sovereign people completely free to do
it however they want to.
There's, there's no downside to you hosting your
infrastructure and your wallet yourself.
I'm stepping back.
Here's the, here's the headset.
Oh, thank you.
Thank you.
One, one second.
What are we drinking?
Pabst.
So it's a LaCroix pure.
I'm back to the, I'm back to the
non-flavored.
I'm, I'm off the wagon for the moment.
Oh, all right.
Um, so this, this page is taking advantage.
Well, let me, let me, let me back,
let me back up for a second.
I, we gotta, we gotta like move up
a couple of notches here.
The, uh, first of all, cotton gin in
the boardroom is saying that breeze of course
still works with all this stuff.
That is correct.
Yes.
Breeze is unaffected by any of this.
Um, so that is always, you know, breeze
is always a knob.
It's a standalone node on your phone.
It can, it's impervious to, to, you know,
things to ripples.
If I really want to make sure that
a big boost goes through, I usually do
it from breeze.
Yes, that's, that's, it's, you have a node
in your pocket.
You also have a very hot leg, but
you have a, there's that, there's that.
Um, so, but stepping back for a second,
the, like this, the Albie apocalypse has been,
uh, sort of depressed, has been pretty depressing
to me.
Uh, and I've, you know, I've probably mentioned
that before that it feels like I always
hate it when we, when we, it feels
like we've made a lot of progress and
then you have to, you realize you have
to kind of start over from scratch almost.
And it's, it's, it's, uh, like when I,
whenever I think, you know, I get wrapped
up in this other project we're doing and,
and, and namespace stuff and, and all these
kinds of things.
And then, and then I think about the,
the value tag and what's going on with
Albie.
And I just get into sort of like
a fugue state, which is kind of like,
uh, fuke spell.
Oh, uh, I don't know how you spell
F-U-G-U-E, I think.
And can you use it in a sentence?
Yes.
When Dave thinks of the Albie apocalypse, he
enters a fugue state.
Fugue.
Hmm.
Definition.
It's in the DSM-5.
Uh, DSM-5.
Um, here we go.
One that drives away.
Ooh.
Fugue.
Do we pronounce it fugue or fuge?
Uh, pretty sure it's fugue.
Okay.
It's a, it's a, a fugue state also
known as a dissociative fugue or psychogenic fugue
is a rare psychiatric condition where a person
experiences amnesia and ends up in an unexpected
place.
Goodness gracious.
Do you need a wellness check?
People in a fugue state may not remember
who they are, their past experiences, or how
they got to their current location.
It's also known as taking an Ambien.
Oh no.
Um, it's F-U-G-U-E.
Yes.
Yeah.
Fugue state.
Okay.
Another good show title.
The, so I just kind of feel like,
you know, like I don't, I don't even
want to think about it because it's annoying.
The whole thing's annoying, but so, but then,
but then this is really for the best.
Honestly, if we're, if we're just looking at
it tough, if we're giving ourselves tough love,
this is, this is a good thing because
when you have a, what we make is
protocols.
First of all, we don't create products.
That's not what podcasting 2.0 or the
N or, or the namespace.
That's not what that is.
We write specs.
We don't, I, I don't say that we
write standards.
I don't really like that terminology.
We write specs, we write protocols, we write
the things that publish the things that help
people do the things we, we value, uh,
features and, and new functionality.
And in that sense, if the, if one
of the things that we write ends up
completely dependent upon the good graces of, of
a single company or person or entity, that's,
that's just not a long-term sustainable thing.
And that's what happens.
That's what happened with, with Albie specifically on
the listener side.
And that's all we're talking about here.
Albie, Albie on the receiver side, on the
creator side, that's never been a problem and
will not be a problem in the future.
And, and their Albie hub is greatly appreciated
open source.
There's no doubt about it.
Yes.
The problem that was run into is the
Albie API replaced LN pay on the, on
the listener side, because you, in order to
make this all work, you have to have
a listener wallet, but every podcast app listener
has to have a wallet tied to their
podcast app in some way.
And that became, because it was so easy
and free and simple, it became just a
standard that all the, any app that wanted
to have a listener wallet, so they could
pay podcasters other than breeze and fountain.
Those are those standalone.
They're their own thing, but everybody else started
using Albie.
And that was always shaky ground to be
on because Albie is a company.
And I think I said this time and
time and time again, time and time and
time again.
Yes.
Albie is a company and they have to
respond to the way companies do when the
bottom line, you know, comes into play.
You got to pivot when legal issues come
into play, you got to change.
And that's what this was.
It was mainly regulatory legal issues, money transmitter
issues, et cetera.
Yeah.
And so if so in so long term
and it also set up a little bit
of a, of a sort of an unhealthy
dissociation between, between the listeners, true source of
funds and the way that they send.
So you, we always had to go through
this strange connection where you have, where, okay,
I've got cast a matic and this is
apropos because Frank Franco's going through this right
now.
He's trying to figure out what he's going
to do to replace Albie.
And so I have cast a matic and
it has an Albie wallet attached to it.
Well, I don't, I want to get some
sats in there so I can, so I
can stream sets and pay podcasters.
And in order to do that, I have
to go over to some other third thing
like cash app or strike and then send
those sats to cast a medic so that
I can then send them to the, to
the podcast.
That was always a big hurdle.
Yeah.
Cause you have to, you have this weird
hop in the middle of this sort of
unnatural.
It would always be, it would always be
better if your original app that hold your
main wallet could be connected just straight to
your podcast app.
It would be like connecting your, if this
was all done in Fiat, it would be
like having been able to just say, okay,
connect my podcast app to my PayPal account
and I'm just going to do an OAuth
and I'm just going to send you some
money.
And so that's what this thing is that,
that Oscar has created.
He's created an example page where you, where
you hook your strike account through OAuth directly
to a podcast app in this, in this
sense, in, in this circumstance, the podcast app
is just a webpage and there's an, it's
not playing anything.
It's just an example, but you can think
of the, the, the page itself as if
it were a podcast app.
And he's taking advantage of the new thing,
the new changes we put into the value
recipient tag a couple of months ago with
the LN address type.
So now he's not, this is not using
key send.
This is using LN address.
And so if the type of the value
recipient is LN address, then you can put
the address in there.
In this case, any lightning address, so something
like fountain at strike.me is one of
them and boost bot at fountain.fm is
another one.
You can put in an address and then
it could be David, getalby.com.
You know, that's any outlining address.
Then when you go to pay it, when
you put in your amount, put in your
message, your name, all that kind of stuff,
and then you pay the, the amount.
It, what it's going to, what it's going
to do is create two, it's going to
communicate with your strike wallet and create, it
is going to, it's going to calculate the
splits.
So if I put in, you know, a
hundred sats and this, this, these two splits,
90 for boost bot, 10 for fountain.
It's going to peel off 90 sats for
boost bot, 10 sats for, for fountain, create
two transactions, two LN, two LN URL pay
transactions through bolt with just standard bolt 11
invoices and pay each of those.
So on your strike history, once that payment
is completed on your strike history, you will
see in there two payments, one for 90
sats to boost bot and one for 10
sats to strike them to fountain.
So this, this is a way to go
forward where we don't have to rely on
key sand support.
And we don't have to rely on a,
on the, the sort of goodwill or good
intentions of one single company.
The, this, this to me is the way
is the way forward, I think.
And there's, it's not without, it's not without
its own problems.
Well, can I, can I ask two questions
about as the retooling for this?
Sure.
So, um, the first question is, uh, an
app, um, let's say, so let's say I
use a podcast guru and podcast guru will
retool to connect my strike wallet.
If I come across a value block that
has a key send, I can't key sent.
So can you now, does the spec allow
for multiple types of payments so that I
could say, um, you can key send me
at this note address, or if you don't
have that capability app user, then you can,
uh, Ellen address me.
Yes.
Okay.
Second, if I want to have Ellen address
on my note at home, is that something
that's easy to do or is that complicated?
Um, I'm presuming it will work with Albi
hub actually.
If you connect through the Albi service, but
to do it by myself at home, a
little more complicated.
No.
If you were, if you just had an
L and D, if you just had an
L and D node straight up and sort
of nothing in front of it, I think
you would need to use something like Ellen
bids to get a, to get a, okay.
Yeah.
Ellen URL layer.
Okay.
Nathan G no, this does not preclude streaming
sets.
Um, but I think most apps are already
batch processing, right?
And so it won't be per minute.
You can still, I, the app can probably
still report it to the sender as what
you sent per minute, but it'll be batched
and sent, um, at every five minute intervals
or something like that.
But it doesn't preclude that at all.
And you could try to do a per
minute send with strikes Wallace too.
I don't know if they have a rate
limit on their API or anything.
It makes more sense to do batch, but
no, yeah, you're right.
Nothing precludes this from per minute.
And eventually, uh, bolt 12 may, may pop
up and, and be groovy and usable.
I don't know.
We'll see.
The only benefit that we get from bolt
12 and this is, this has to be
clarified.
The only benefit that we get from bolt
12 over, over the current spec is that
bolt 12 doesn't need a web server on
the, on the L and D node, right?
It gets rid of the HTTP layer and
just does, it does essentially the same as
key send as Ellen, you know, it does
the same as Ellen URL, right?
Right.
But I'm saying you don't, you don't need
to have an address.
You just have a, some kind of a
invoice and it just reuses that same invoice
over and over again.
You don't have to, it uses the lightning
network to resolve, I guess is what I'm
saying.
Yeah.
You get an invoice, you get an open
invoice that, and then when, when the paying
node sees that invoice and try and goes
to pay it, it sees that it's bolt
12 and it does a back and forth
with the receiving node to get what's called
a blinded route and workout and get the
receiving node to generate a pre-image so
that it can pay it.
It's, it's basically exactly like Ellen URL, except
it all takes place over native lightning instead
of through HTTP.
So to get started on the, on the
podcasting side, it is, I'm not sure how
it works, but the value block, if I'm
entering for, so I have a, a 50
% split on, on a show, I can
add in two different methods for that, for
that 50% split or how does that
look in, in, in, in, in production and
functioning?
Say that again.
I'm not sure I followed a hundred percent.
So I still want, as we transition, I
want to move my payments to my Ellen
address, but I don't want to lose out
on people who are still trying to key
send me.
You can have, you can have both in
the, in the spec.
Let me, let me jump over to the
spec real quick, just to make sure I'm
quoting it correctly.
Okay.
So you can have, so the way this,
the way this works is you're, you're
when you, when you're, you're well-known address,
you're, you're well-known response for the lightning
address, look up a response.
Let me, I'm, I'm, I'm getting, I'm confusing
myself here.
The value, I don't know, I'll have to
figure this out and write it up in
a way that makes sense because there's the,
the, the Ellen address has a, has sort
of a custom we call it like a
custom response.
So you've got, you've got two options for
the type.
You've got node, which can be the lightning
node address.
That's for key send.
And then you have Ellen address.
And so the full documentation for the Ellen
address is it shows what's supposed to be
there in the response.
And people, people are asking in the boardroom,
well, you know, what, what do you need?
Does he have to have Ellen bits?
No, I just used Ellen bits as an
example because it supports Ellen URL.
Strike wallet, just to keep it simple.
You can use all, there's all kinds of
solutions, but you can use your breeze wallet.
I mean, that, that accepts it too.
You can send from strike to breeze just
by using your your breeze Ellen address.
That all works flawlessly.
I think the answer to your question is
you're going to have to choose one or
the other.
Okay.
But, but see, that's, that's in the RSS
feed because you just have to make, you
just have to choose one or the other
in the feed, because once you switch to
Ellen to Ellen address as the type, then
when you're, when you're Ellen URL excuse me,
when you start, when you do the dot
well-known lookup, the dot well-known lookup
can include key send data.
So what you're doing is you're, you're, you're,
you're sort of, this is why it was
confusing a while ago when I tried to
explain it, when you, you're abstracting the payment
methods from the recipient's address.
Got it.
So, so you're, you're going to do, you
know, if you have, let me go back
over to this example page from Oscar, he's
got type equals Ellen address and address equals
boost bot at fountain.fm. So he's going
to do a lookup for the dot well
-known of boost bot at fountain.fm. When
it returned, when he gets the return information
for that address, it can include bolt 11
keys.
Right.
Okay.
So the question is, is it easier for
every, for the apps to retool to Ellen
address and not necessarily, I guess it doesn't
make any difference because they have to resolve
that anyway.
Right.
The, the dot well-known.
Yeah.
But see, I don't control the dot well
-known for my strike wallet.
But you don't, but you don't have, you
don't have to.
But I mean, that's the receiver.
Are you talking about if you switch to
using strike as the receiving entity?
No, if I'm the receiver and there's going
to be people who use two apps that
have this built in that, that understand how
to connect to strike.
I'm just using that as an example.
Can be many, many others.
And so that will be sending to whatever
my, wherever my Ellen, Ellen addresses, but I
have to control that Ellen address information to
put in alternative methods.
Right.
And you're talking about using, you're talking about
using fountain, excuse me, using strike.
No, no, it doesn't matter.
Well, okay.
Using strike for the receiving end.
I cannot control what's in the, in the
Ellen address information.
It's not going to, it can't even receive
keysend.
They can't receive keysend.
So somewhere I need the entity to create
my Ellen address and the information that's, that's
contained in it.
Right.
And so for, for like for strike, let's
say you're a podcaster and you want to
receive payments at your strike address and you
would put a split in for yourself and
just do Ellen address and your name is
strike.
Right.
And that's going to have a dot well
-known response that will provide an Ellen URL
payment method.
Right.
But it would be silly for me to
use that right at this moment, because I
would miss out on apps that are still
using keysend.
Yeah.
Until, until January.
What happens in January?
I mean, that's when Albie apocalypse happens.
What?
I have my own note.
That's my point.
But nobody can send you, but nobody can
send you anything after that, except people on.
So here's, here's the landscape.
The landscape on January the 26th keys, keysend
basically goes away from our universe pretty much.
The landscape is going to change.
And what you're going to be left with
is you're going to be left with, with
fountain breeze and nothing else.
When, and so fountain understands how to pay,
how to pay this already.
So if you switch, if you switch this
information, then you're not going to lose anything
for through fountain because fountain already supports it.
Right.
Got it.
So then anybody who, any apps that are
retooling at that point, they're going to read,
they will retool to support bolt 11.
So switching to Ellen address is going, you're
not going to lose anything because you weren't
going to get anything.
Anyway.
Got it.
Okay.
So now the question is, can we convince
everybody to retool?
I don't know.
All right.
I hope so too.
I mean, because lightning is still the only
way to do what we do micropayments.
So, um, I mean, on that tip, on
that tip in a decentralized way, I know
other people are doing it in, but in
a, in a truly decentralized way where we're
not dependent with the lowest fees, with the
lowest fees possible for micropayments.
This is, this is the big part, right?
You can't, you can't send 50 sats value
with your visa card or your Apple, right?
Like, like true, true fans is doing is
doing their thing, but they're, that's within true
fans is ecosystem.
That's, you know, that he's, they've got virtual
wallets and these kinds of things.
I'm just talking about cross app, decentralized, agnostic
lightning stuff.
This is the only way to do that.
Yes.
Um, how hard will this be for developers
who are currently using the Albi API to
retool to strike or others?
So that's where that's going to be the
next question.
That's why I asked that.
I nailed it.
Oh yeah, you did.
That's yeah.
I just restated what you, what you just
did.
Yeah.
Um, I shouldn't have said that's going to
be the next one.
I should have said that is correct.
That's the next question.
Let me say this about that.
Please do.
I, uh, let's see.
So Franco reached out, uh, Castamatic and he
was like, you know, I'm, I'm looking at
strikes API, but there's a small problem.
A strike is not available in Italy.
Right.
And so I'm like, uh, you know, supposedly
they had this big strike, you know, big
launch in Europe.
Uh, was it like a year ago or
I don't know how many months ago?
Well, evidently Italy's not part of Europe because
no, no, no, no, of course not.
Um, so I don't know.
I mean, this is, these are, this is
a question I don't know at this point.
Um, and there's, we've also got the thing
I haven't been able to get to yet
is, you know, Zebedee.
Zebedee is also an option and they, they,
that may come in and then we've, you've
got this universal money thing.
I don't, I don't know the answer to
these questions.
Um, that's, that's the part I don't fully
understand how to address yet.
I'm hoping that maybe we can, um, maybe
we can talk about it with Oscar a
little bit next week.
Let's see.
I wonder if cash app has a lightning
API.
I know they have a Bitcoin.
I know you can access the Bitcoin part
through their API.
I don't know that it's specific.
I don't know about the lightning thing.
I'm not sure.
I did pull up their documentation the other
day because when I had already cloned a
skeleton app and I was about to start
coding when Oscar literally sent me an email
and was like, Hey, I've got this thing
done.
I was like, Oh, beautiful.
God bless you.
Yeah.
Hey, man.
Um, so I don't, I don't specifically know
about that, but, um, this, uh, I think,
I think we're just going to have to
work through it.
We're just gonna have to work through it.
I mean, and that's, that's the thing is
that's why I started this by saying that
I think we're going to ultimately be in
a healthier place.
Um, when all this sort of torrent turmoil
levels out because, um, at the end, you
know, at the end of all this, what
we're going to be left with is different
people doing different things with different APIs.
And that's better because everybody's not just hitched
to the same right.
Completely agree.
It's going to be messier for sure.
For sure.
It's going to be messier.
Um, but messy is, is kind of, uh,
an advantage when it comes to open source.
Um, now there's a sticker, there's a t
-shirt too.
Messier is better with opens open sources.
Do it messier.
Messy is our advantage, but you know that
that's so like, uh, take, take Jupiter broadcasting.
Okay.
A show like Coda radio right now, they,
uh, like going forward, they're going to, they're
going to lose any listeners that were not
on fountain.
That's going to be our breeze.
That's going to be the immediate consequence, but
a large part of their user base, their
listener base is on fountain.
And that will just continue to work.
Right.
They're not going to, they're still going to
be streaming sass.
They're still going to be getting boosts.
Like, this is just not going to be
a problem for them.
Um, so that's interesting, uh, chicken and the
egg problem here.
Very interesting.
Cause you're going, you're going to get, uh,
you know, at a certain point, you're going
to get bigger publishers who say, okay, I'm
using Ellen address and here we go.
And then apps will fail if, if they're,
well, as you pointed out, apps will start
failing, uh, in January anyway.
Anyway.
Yeah, that's we're all, we're all, we're all
in the same.
I use Castamatic.
It's my daily driver and Castamatic is hooked
to Albie and that will stop working.
And it's just not going to work after,
after that January drive day.
So I either at that point have to
switch to a different app to pay or,
um, Franco, you know, comes up with a
solution.
And well, there are definitely, I'll be like
solutions for, uh, for Franco, but not strike
like solutions.
So they are, what's the, uh, what are
all the, uh, boardroom?
Someone sent me this.
What are all of the, um, the Nostra
clients moving towards?
Like, is it open coin or something?
I don't know.
I think it's not open coin.
There was something that people were gravitating towards.
Can't really remember.
Um, but they're having the same problem.
Nostra has exactly the same problem, but they
already use LN address.
Don't they?
Yeah.
It was, yeah, it was built on LN
URL to begin with.
Right.
And, um, I still think key send to
superior.
I'm sorry.
I just do.
Um, I don't see, I have, I still
have a fundamental problem with having to get
the receiver to invoice you before you can
pay them.
I think that's just a terrible design, but
it's what we have.
So, um, you know, we gotta, we gotta
figure that out.
CoinOS, coinOS.io. What is that?
That's the, that's what the Nostra people are
moving towards.
But what is it?
It's a lightning system, a wallet system.
CoinOS.
Yeah.
CoinOS.io. CoinOS.
CoinOS.
Um, their website is a blank black page.
Okay.
Something popped up for me.
I don't know why you're getting a blank
page.
Oh, well, it just took a long time.
The whole boardroom went to it.
That's why.
Oh, okay.
Easiest way to get started with Bitcoin, a
free web wallet and payment page.
Well, you know, I mean, that's, there you
go.
I mean, that's the, see, that's the thing
is, is there's going to be, there's going
to be all these, there's these different solutions.
Yeah.
And that's better.
Yes.
CoinOS may, you know, CoinOS may last for
a couple of years.
You never know.
And then go belly up, you know, or,
or switch or who knows.
And then, you know, but I don't know,
I feel better if you're, if you're in
a location that can handle something like strike
or cash app, I feel better about that
because those are larger invested companies.
They, they just have a, they have a
stability or if you're, if you're going to,
or if you're hosting your own, that's your,
that's your options.
And yeah.
Well, we, we do have a bit of
a sub thread running through all of this,
which is the sovereign group who, I already
see it in the, in the boardroom who
hate the fact that we're involving big companies,
hate this.
It's not the Bitcoin ethos, but as you
pointed out, the New York Times and the
Bloomberg, they will not be happy that we
put the, we put the, they put the
financial marketing underwriters under the portfolio of, you
know, the sovereign group.
And they say, look, we're, we're just investing
in Bitcoin.
We don't want to imposition.
And they say, well, like, oh, I'm sure
you're right there, but we're just going
to put these guys in because they're going
to pay the price for it.
And then I said, well, give them strike
wallet and say, this is it.
You connect it to your financial world in
these in these ways, and then you just
connect it to your podcast app.
They will be delighted because that that two
step process that that you mentioned, that has
always been a huge detractor.
Yeah, it is.
It is.
It's not just a detractor.
It's hard to explain.
Yeah.
You're like, why am I doing this again?
You don't because it's just it's just such
a foreign experience.
You know, it's not how anything else works.
And so that's always been this kind of
weird thing.
And and also in the background of all
this is in another thing I want to
talk to Oscar about next week is is
L4O2.
Yes.
So, I mean, that's that's also a thing
that we're talking that Russell has finalized the
spec for.
And I finally got time, you know, I
got time to read over it this week
and it looks great.
So I think that and and.
We can do funding tag work.
You know, we can we can make the
funding tag support like a Bolt 11 invoice
or whatever.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so I want to express my deep,
deep gratitude towards Oscar for doing this.
He didn't have to do this.
It's actually creating competition for him, which I
think is just so 2.0 of him
to say, you know what?
I need to help everybody and get everybody
back on track.
And, you know, we explain that if it's
just if it's just fountain, you know, we
don't really have much of a of an
ecosystem.
And so for him to do that and
it was just time for him.
No one else did this.
No one.
A lot of complaining, a lot of Albi
bashing.
But no one stepped up.
And so I really appreciate that.
And I'm I am delighted and I can't
wait for it to be implemented because I
want to I want funds to be flowing.
And hey, if you if if you're one
of the apps that I use, podcast guru,
if you think you need a certain percentage
for the extra work you did, go at
it at a fee.
I'm happy to pay it.
Happy, delighted.
If you need me to pay something, huh?
Well, it's not also let's not forget Wavelake
is out there, too, as well.
Absolutely.
With their app.
Yep.
And so there's an there's a there's a
thing in there.
It's not like everything falls apart.
The problem is everybody outside of the sort
of everybody outside of the.
Of the sovereign.
And which everybody outside of the sovereign world
slash.
Zebedee Fountain Wavelake world.
They're the ones that are going to have
where we're all the ones that are going
to have to try to figure out some
different solutions, which is those things, which is
where the growth is.
And that's where the growth is.
The growth is in getting more people in.
And my recommendation is get them in, get
them using it.
Then orange pill them.
And not the other way around.
It's been a crazy it's been a crazy
thing to see Bitcoin like tickling one hundred
thousand.
The.
Like.
People don't understand deflationary money.
I think it's just such a an odd
thing that we're not that none of us
are used to.
That we're we're used to.
We're used to the same product costing you
more over time out of, you know, outside
of technology, which has been deflationary.
But that's really leveled off to.
Technology is really no longer deflationary.
It's more kind of steady state at this
point.
Except for AI.
That's inflationary.
But as far as like looking at your,
you know, everybody just knows that holding cash
for a decade is a losing proposition.
But the the idea of the money being
deflationary where, you know, if you if you
started take if you started accepting streaming sats
on your podcast to two and a half
years ago, and let's say over time you
made five grand in US dollars terms.
In if you look at your wallet now
and you didn't get rid of that, you
just held on to it.
You've got twenty five or thirty thousand dollars.
Yes, sir.
And now you keep if if Bitcoin continues
to climb over, you hold it for another
year, you may be you may be looking
at new car or down payment on a
house type money.
If I can add one other extra thing,
I believe I think I have not put
this to the test yet, but I believe
with the strike wallet, I can convince J
.C.D. to accept lightning payments, meaning we
can promote it on the show as a
way to support no agenda.
You think that would make a difference?
Yeah, I think it would make a huge
difference.
For sure.
And that's maybe maybe this show and a
couple of maybe this show and no agenda
if we if we can put them all
together as as sort of flip overs where
we convert to Ellen address and really go
with the new format that may really help
to have those have us driving that.
Yeah.
You know, because that gives everybody something to
test against and all of that.
And because, you know, nobody else has to
change their show necessarily.
I'm thinking all this through in real time.
Well, here's I can in real time, I
can tell you one thing that we're going
to have to figure out the information sent
in TLV records.
So when someone if someone boosts our show
and Eric, I see your eyes rolling up
in your head when someone boosts our show,
I need to know what the full amount
was before the splits.
And I don't currently I don't think that
that's not something I'm going to receive with
the Ellen URL method.
Yeah.
And I think, yeah, we'll probably get into
that next week with Oscar.
That's good.
Those are the good technical details to get
into so we can pave the way forward.
Because we that's the point at which we
probably needed to see this is all long
time coming stuff.
Yep.
That was we've we always have known that
we've needed to divorce the metadata in the
payment proofs from the payment.
Yeah.
Because inlining it inside the payment envelope was
was always that's how you get spoofing.
Yeah.
So all of this is just the time
to fix all of this stuff.
Well, yeah, it really is.
We have two months.
Go, go, go.
I will say having onboarded an artist in
this past month and with onboarded, I mean,
hey, Costello's, take care of this girl, will
you?
That's that's how my onboarding works.
Suzanne Santo, who is, you know, she's had
a record label.
She tours.
She does lots of gigs.
She's a buddy of mine.
She's her husband is Nick Pizzolatto.
He's a pretty well-known producer.
He did True Detective, concepted it, wrote it,
directed it, all three series.
He's doing movies and all kinds of other
stuff.
And she really believes in the music.
And so I, I turned her on to
what we were doing in the value verse.
And she released a song, which I'm about
to play.
You can hear my, my cool little switch
over and segue.
I was tracking.
Yeah.
And I played it on Booster Graham Ball.
And within five minutes of the show, she
says, Adam, thank you for including me in
your Booster Graham Ball today.
So far, I've accumulated $7.77, which is
more than I've received from Spotify after 28
,000 plays.
I think that kind of explains it all,
doesn't it?
Yes, that's, that's the experience of every single
music artist we've heard from.
Every single time they say the same thing.
So, you know, so this is the, this
is the type of love I like to
see.
This is the kind of thing that we
can do for artists, of course, but also
for podcasters.
And while we're on the topic, I might
as well play this song, which I think
will be this, the title song to a
movie that her husband Nick is doing.
Suzanne Santo and Worried.
Booster, will you?
And I'm worried about if I'm gonna kill
you, am I gonna kill you?
Mm
-hmm.
And I'm
worried about
if I'm gonna kill you, am I gonna
kill you?
Am I gonna kill you?
That's a great tune.
Isn't that beautiful?
I dig it, man.
Yeah, yeah.
I love the, I love the, uh, the
fuzz.
Yeah, kind of explosive there about, uh, two,
two thirds of the way in.
Yeah, I like that.
That had a, um, like a, what's that,
what's that woman's name?
Um, it's not Demi Lovato.
It's, I keep getting, I always get them.
No, no, it's, I always get these two
people mixed up.
Whitney Houston, huh?
Whitney Houston.
Uh, no, the, the, the, the, yeah.
Come on, try, I can do it.
We can do this.
Try harder.
What was Summer?
Is that one of her, the album names?
Uh, Summertime something.
Wow.
Sometimes, Lana Del Rey.
That's it.
Oh, Lana Del Rey.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I hear that.
Kind of a vibe of Lana Del Rey
too.
Yeah, I hear that.
Suzanne Santo.
If you were listening to another modern podcast
that while the API still works, go back
and boost.
Yes.
Hurry, hurry, hurry, hurry.
While stocks last.
Hey, I'm excited about this, man.
I, I really am.
I think this can reinvigorate everything.
We can get a lot more people in
and, uh, and the sovereigns can still be
very happy.
It's the best of both worlds.
And I, I agree.
Messy is good.
Lots of different options for everybody.
And, uh, I hope that, uh, I hope
that, uh, uh, Franco can find a solution.
Yeah.
To me, the real test of podcasting 2
.0 in all of its detail has always
been, and always will be Castamatic because Castamatic
is a serverless standalone app.
And, and I would include, I would include
also in that like antenna pod and other
apps that are serverless and purely local installed
apps.
They have no backend in the cloud, those
type apps.
If they can do it, we've won.
We've succeeded.
If, you know, if for every single feature,
if it doesn't work in that scenario, and
then I feel like the feature may still
be great and it may still be valuable,
but I'll never feel super comfortable with, with
where it landed.
Um, I don't know.
It's just my own internal way.
I get it now.
I get it.
Okay.
That's the truth.
That's the true nature of podcasting.
It is.
It is wherever you get your podcast.
Yep.
Oh, I feel drained.
Yeah, me too.
I don't know what that is.
It must be the API.
Maybe you need water.
I want to thank a few people who've
been boosting live during the board meeting for
today.
Selass on Linux, thousand sats.
He says, this is good.
I like that V4V music is not filled
with dog shit music.
This is so good.
I'm sure Suzanne Santa will love that booster
gram.
Selass on Linux again, 2000.
I don't even know if live wallet switching
works on fountain.
Yeah, it does.
It does.
It just doesn't show it in helipad, which
is unfortunate.
Billy bones, three 33 healing music.
He says, and we just got Cole McCormick.
One, uh, one, one, one, one as a
non-technical member of the board.
I understood nothing in this episode, but love
fountain, wave lake and loving Nostra more admittedly.
Good.
Is that like an advisory role?
It's important.
It's an important role.
I don't, I don't know anything what you
talked about, but I love it.
Uh, eight Oh eight from salty crayon.
Yo, this is an ad native ad is
this Sunday at 6.
AM special edition of upbeats.
What's special?
What's special about it?
What happens when you combine a book written
about drink recipes named after the track names
from an album in V4V stay tuned.
Oh, there's a tease for you.
Stay tuned dot, dot, dot three 33.
Again, from C Brooklyn, two 10 from orange
pilled says I often listen to live YouTube
videos, audio only.
Now, of course, I think a lot of
people do.
Salty crayon.
One, two, three, four.
Howdy boardroom, uh, Dave and Adam.
So certainly Ray and I were talking about
when sats are expensive.
For example, when one sat is $1, how
is that going to work for splits?
We need a threshold to work for everyone
to get a split.
Three 33 sets one day will cost $333.
Those lower sats will be more valuable thoughts.
Why?
Yes.
This is the beauty of Bitcoin.
I'm glad you asked.
It is infinitely divisible.
We will move to Millie sats.
This is where you back me up.
Yes, we will move to Millie sats.
In fact, and Millie sats is already is
already baked into it.
Yeah, it's already baked into it.
So you have another thousand, uh, uh, uh,
to, to work with.
So you will be sending 333 Millie sats.
If we get to the point where one
sat equals $1, we're not working anymore.
We're done.
Good night.
I will not be on this.
I will not be on the other end
of this microphone.
We'll be in our yurt, El Salvador.
We will have bigger.
We'll probably have bigger problems.
Exactly.
Selassie on Linux again, 2000 sats.
What are the beans to be spilled of
the secret society of podcasting 2.0?
Well, it's this board meeting.
Of course, this is where we spill all
the tea.
Uh, pod two with 5,000 sats.
Nice from pod two.
Uh, that's Russell.
Thanks Adam and Dave for everything you both
do.
And thanks for talking about the L402 and
F402 methods.
We are calling secure RSS.
What are you laughing about?
F402.
I just think that's a funny name.
We have something huge to announce next week.
Oh, well, huge, huge.
It's going to be huge.
Um, then I hit the delimiter.
So you are, um, I've got.
I have had, did not have time to
write down the PayPal's this morning.
So I'm doing them off my email.
We're doing it live awkward.
Doing it live.
We're doing it awkward.
$300 from blueberry.
The team over there.
300, $300.
Oh, that deserves it.
Thank you guys.
That's beautiful.
Thank you so much.
Hey gents.
We've been heads down over here.
Keep on cranking.
Thankful for what everyone has done in moving
the medium forward.
The battle is real and we need to
double down on the value of RSS as
it's getting lost in the noise.
Happy podcasting.
Happy podcasting to you.
Okay.
Let's see.
This is where, this is where I lose
my flow.
$20 from David Beardshaw.
No note.
Thank you, David.
Appreciate it.
Thank you.
Appreciate that.
Let's see.
And we got some boosts.
Let me flip back over here.
Okay.
We got a 5,000 sets for music.
Mama.
That's a music.
Yes.
Hello.
Music.
Mama.
She says, love me some TJ Wong.
That was from the last show.
Yep.
Yeah.
Gene Everett, 20,000 sets.
It says happy 200th show boost.
Our monk or my, uh, my uncle lives
in our monk.
The old Curry family compound in our monk,
New York.
Uh, let's see.
It wasn't.
That is the, let me flip over here.
I got one more.
So you're looking forward to seeing everyone in
Austin.
That's also music.
Mama.
2,500 cents.
Yes.
That is December 16th.
I got to cut a promo for other
podcasts.
December 16th and tones.
Adam Curry's booster Graham ball, live control, the
stage, the mist, the lights with your boost.
It's going to be, uh, streamed live on
all the modern podcast apps and toonster.
And, uh, it's four bands, awesome bands, including,
um, local band, FM rodeo, Ainsley Costello, just
loud.
And by the way, there will be some
special guests, special guests.
Yes.
Are you, are you cutting a, uh, cutting
a promo for your secret, for your super
secret live stream?
No, not for the super secret live stream,
but for other music podcasts, we've got a
lot.
They actually said, Hey, we need, we need
a promo.
So I got to cut a promo.
It was, I'm like, can't believe I hadn't
done that already.
I feel foolish.
How many of those, how many of those
things would you have to cut for in
a, like in a single session where you
sit down and be like, you know, uh,
listen to the top 100 on blah, blah,
blah in Kansas city.
Oh, days, days, days worth when I did
have the, the Adam Curry's top 30 hit
list brought by Pepsi and Reebok.
Um, oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
Days.
And it was always listen.
Hi, here we go.
Hey everybody.
It's MTV guy, Adam Curry.
Make sure you listen to my top 30
hit list this weekend on 95 FM.
The Eagle, which is an amazing name for
a radio station.
Oh, believe me.
They have it.
That's Dallas.
Kid Craddock in the morning.
Everybody.
Hi everybody.
It's Adam Curry.
MTV guy here.
Kid Craddock in the morning.
He loves my top 30 hit list on
95 FM.
The Eagle.
I can still do it.
That's okay.
Kid Craddock passed.
Unfortunately, he's no longer with us.
That's a bummer.
He would have loved it.
He's he hears me up there in heaven.
He hears me.
Uh, let's see.
We got a delimiter.
We got a common strip blogger.
16,000 sats.
He says, uh, he says, what does he
say now?
All right.
Let me, I got a conjure, uh, chemistry
blogger.
Howdy fellow white people, Dave and Adam.
Today, I'd like to recommend two podcasts from
our fellow white friend, Darren O'Neill.
First podcast www.planetrage.show. A podcast with
deep voice, Larry, who is 95% Irish
and partly native American, according to 23andme DNA
test.
And second one, www.unrelenting.show with Jean,
a Jew, who is mostly Ashkenazi Jew and
partly Russian.
Also, according to 23andme test that he did.
And planet rage is clip show akin to
no agenda and unrelenting is uncensored jibber jabber.
Both not uninteresting.
Yo, CSB.
And both the DNA of Jean and Larry
is now probably in hands of China and
Russia.
Since 23andme is close to going out of
business.
Oh yeah.
And like FEMA, the military, CIA, NSA, everybody
has it.
Oh yeah, definitely.
Everybody's got a piece of that.
For sure.
Uh, we got some, uh, monthly.
He's got Timothy voice, $10.
Thank you, Timothy.
We got, uh, oh, Satan's lawyer.
Xenor.
Oh, there he is.
Limited for $5 from down under.
Thank you.
From way down under.
Way down from the fiery pit of down
under.
Oh, oh, I missed this one on the
original.
Um, I'm, um, see, this is where I
screwed up from my emails.
Not where we're going to bus sprout $1
,000.
Holy moly, holy moly.
Keeping the wheels turning here at podcast index.
Thank you.
Buzzsprout brothers.
Thank you.
I sent a boost to buzzcast last week.
And they did not read my boost on
the show this week.
No, no, you know, don't you know how
they work over there?
You got to send the boost.
Then you have to use their, uh, text
message system.
Oh, you got to text them and say,
copy, paste, copy, paste in your message.
And then write in there.
How many sats it was?
Yeah, I guess.
Thank you guys.
Appreciate y'all.
You're very much.
Really appreciate it.
Uh, Oystein Berg, uh, $5.
Thank you.
Oystein.
Uh, so we got Charles current $5.
Thank you, Charles.
Jorge Hernandez, $5.
Um, Michael Goggin, $5.
James Sullivan, $10.
Cohen Glotzbach, $5.
I think Cohen is, um, I think he's
involved with, uh, with antenna pod.
Maybe.
Oh, okay.
I think that's right.
Thank you.
Regardless.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Uh, and that's it.
That's our group.
All right.
Thank you all very much.
Value for value.
The entire podcast index.org project.
This program, uh, Adam and Dave take nothing.
We use the Bitcoin to fund the node
for liquidity.
If you need some, hit me up.
I'm happy to do it.
Fees are low right now.
At least they were this morning.
Uh, so happy to help you.
Um, and everything else is, uh, goes into
the treasury to keep, uh, to ensure that
podcast index.org is API, it's scrapers and,
uh, and parsers.
And we have to talk about that, uh,
fast feed parser on the next show.
But, uh, I want to know if you
had a chance to experiment with that.
Probably not.
Uh, no, I sent it to Alex.
He was, uh, he was giving me some
feedback on it.
Okay.
The official podcast.
Yeah.
He's the, he's the, he's hardcore Python guys.
Beautiful.
Um, oh, not so low analysis.
Cotton gin.
Doesn't matter.
I'll still open it to you.
It's all right.
As long as not 110 sats, Vivi bites,
you know, that's like, ah, like it gets
kind of expensive, but it's what, it's what
we do.
It's what we do.
It's who we are.
It's not who we are.
All right.
Dave Jones, my brother from another mother.
Thank you so much for, um, uh, for
today and for all the work.
No, I appreciate all that you do.
I really do.
Oh, thank you, man.
I appreciate y'all.
I appreciate you.
And, and this, um, we will get through
this.
We will.
Every, every, everyone, everyone hug and share a
secret and share a secret.
Thank you very much.
Remember to be back here next Friday.
I'm 95 FM.
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