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Podcasting 2.0 for November 22nd, 2024, episode

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201, fugue state.

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Well, hello, everybody, as we end the month

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of November.

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Almost getting there.

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It's time for another board meeting of Podcasting

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2.0, everything that's really happening in podcasting,

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everything that has been, everything that is, and

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everything that will always be.

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We discuss everything happening at podcastindex.social, the

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namespace talk today.

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We are the only boardroom that will never

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Say hello to my friend on the other

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Does anybody know the etymology of spill the

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beans?

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Spill the, uh, uh, it probably- When

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somebody tells you to spill the beans, like

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what, why is that a thing?

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I think it was spill the beans.

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Now it's spill some tea is what the

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kids are saying these days.

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Yeah, that's what I was hearing on Power.

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Oh, you were hearing that on Power?

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I was listening to Power.

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I listened to Power.

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Yeah, that's where James said he didn't understand

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the phrase spill the tea.

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And I was like, well, isn't it supposed

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to be spill the beans?

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And then I was like, well, where did

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that come from?

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Well, let's see.

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It's probably the beans.

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Doesn't it sound like a Dutch weird thing?

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Let's see.

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Um, there's 1574 quote for spill it, meaning

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to divulge, let out the spilling of beans

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endures with outside the U.S., blah, blah,

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blah, blah, blah.

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Popular folk for spin.

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Oh, here it is.

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A popular folk etymology for spill the beans

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claims that in ancient Greece, applicants for membership

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in secret societies were voted upon by having

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the existing members drop beans into an opaque

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pottery jar.

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It just sounds so Dutch, like, like the

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literal translation of some Dutch thing would be

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like, let out the beans or something like

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that.

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Let out the beans.

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No, I don't think that I can't even

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think of a, of a, uh, of an

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equivalent in Dutch.

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Honestly, spill the tea.

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Let's see.

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Where does this come from?

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Yeah.

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Release the beans.

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Title.

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There we go.

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Show title release.

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We had chili last night.

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Melissa made a great chili.

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And I can tell you that you've been

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releasing the beans.

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Yes.

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Ever since.

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Let's see.

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Let me see what it doesn't have.

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I don't have an etymology from really the

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tea.

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That's just the etymology of spill.

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The tea is tick tock.

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There you go.

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It's done.

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Or real housewives of Beverly Hills.

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So I too was listening to, uh, to

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James and Sam on the, uh, on the

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power, power hour.

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I just want it to be called power

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news hour.

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And, uh, this is the episode where, where

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James dropped a lot of boost bombs, boost

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bombs.

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Oh, you didn't hear the whole show.

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Um, I'm getting close to the end.

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I skipped one of the interviews.

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He was dropping F bombs, but he replaced

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his, his expletives with a boost.

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He was dropping boost bombs.

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And I did hear that.

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I like that by the way.

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The boost bombs.

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It's much better than a thing like that.

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And it could get people to donate.

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Although, you know, I sent a hundred thousand

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sats on the last, for the last episode,

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just like, Hey, I love the show.

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And, uh, to power, to power.

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And, uh, so I'm listening to the booster

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gram corner and I don't hear anything.

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I go, look, my, uh, podcast guru, which

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is connected to Albie, which is connected to

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my Albie hub has been failing for about

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Uh, and I don't, I mean, I can't

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get any info from the app obviously, but

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I'm like, holy mackerel.

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mega massive boost to, um, this week in

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Bitcoin, same thing.

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I was like, this was my week, you

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know, like, Hey, I'm going to, I'm going

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to bless everybody.

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This is my week.

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This is my week.

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I'm, this is my week where I'm, I'm,

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I'm blessing people with boosts and, uh, and

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I'm like, this is, you know, the problem

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I don't know what that is.

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It could be a number of things.

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What was that little noise?

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I just heard that was, I think that

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came from me.

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No, I think it came from me.

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It's interesting.

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I've been hearing this off and on.

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I wonder, you know, I thought it came

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from IRC.

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Oh, you're right.

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No, that's me.

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You are so right.

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Mutes tab.

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That's my fault.

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That wasn't IRC blipple.

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A blipple.

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Anyway, I just wanted to say, cause James

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You know, James is mad about people about

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YouTube and the industry's going down the YouTubes.

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I like mad James.

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Mad James is one of my favorite James.

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I'm, I'm, I'm all in on that.

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Mad boost, boost dropping.

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James is my favorite.

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More of that, please.

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Now, of course, this comes after the entire

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industry sucked off YouTube for, for years.

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It's great.

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We'll connect you.

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We'll be able to upload.

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Oh, it's fantastic.

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Oh, YouTube does podcasts now.

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Oh, YouTube music is great.

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active participation.

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It's the biggest platform for listening to podcasts

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based on every, every, based on every, you

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know, that's what every study claims to report.

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And we did this work, what about a

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year ago we went through and showed that

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that can't be the case because only like

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25% of the top shows are even

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count for all the episodes and they were

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like in the thousands.

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That's a complete fabrication.

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Well, lies, lies and damn statistics.

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But I want to say two things.

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I'd like to say this about that.

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This is a cycle.

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We've been through this cycle before when podcasting

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popped, podcasting popped, a lot of excitement.

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go through the whole cycle.

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We had venture capital investors and right away

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they're like, you got to do video.

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You got to do video.

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name of the company from Podshow to Mevio,

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started doing video, losing our shirt on the

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cost, of course, because we had to make

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it as cheap as possible.

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Because of, uh, cereal.

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So people go not towards.

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expert in pundits say, well, is, is whatever

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people call a podcast and is wherever the

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audience is.

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want and it's only on podcast apps, they

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That is the bottom line.

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It is not that the audience is by

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definition lazy.

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It's just normal.

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Um, I've been looking at studies and I'd

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love for a power, uh, and angry James

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to, uh, that's not what his name is.

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Angry James.

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I'd love for angry, jangry, jangry.

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He's jangry.

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Another possible show title.

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Um, I'd love to know about these stats

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because I still think there's a very high

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amount of listeners who will just go to

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a website or, you know, a show site

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and click on a play button and SWA

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and it's good to go.

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Um, I don't think all, all podcasts that

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in a podcast app.

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I'm just, I have enough evidence in my

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own environment to know.

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just don't manage their experience that way.

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And just to have one place where you

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get your instructional videos, where you get your

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kid videos, we get everything else.

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Joe Rogan.

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video it's because it's there, whether they're listening

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And I still put huge question marks behind

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the, the, they're all watching on YouTube.

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I think there's a lot of listening going

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from my personal habits, uh, I think you're

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I think that the, wherever you have great

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content, people will jump over whatever hurdles needed

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to get always, always.

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And that is true with me personally, because

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there, you know, uh, one of my, one

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of my must listens every week is America

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this week with Tybee and Walter Kern.

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And I never miss an episode with that.

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That's on anybody's podcast list.

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There's probably what, maybe two or three podcasts

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that you really cared deeply about and would

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be sad if they went away.

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There's, you know, most of them, like you,

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you may enjoy a lot of podcasts, but

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there's probably only maybe two or three that

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you, that you really would hurt to lose

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them.

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Um, and that's one of mine, that's one

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of this on my, on my short list

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there.

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And so I will, I currently, they, it's

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weird.

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So they publish one episode a week on

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Fridays, uh, through sub stack.

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And so I subscribe to it.

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I pay them, you know, five bucks a

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month or whatever the subscription cost is.

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I subscribe to it.

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I've got a private feed for that.

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And, and I listened to that through my

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podcast out to cast a medic.

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Um, but then they also do a Monday

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night live stream.

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That's only on Monday night live.

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Yeah.

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And they, that Monday night live stream is

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never published in the podcast feed.

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So it's only on YouTube and I don't

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subscribe to a YouTube premium.

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So I can't listen to it in the

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background on a closed device.

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I have to keep the screen open if

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you know, and all the hassle that that

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entails, like you have to, so what I

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have to do is on, you know, on

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Monday, on a Tuesday mornings I go and

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I, I hit, I start the episode playing

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on YouTube and then I stick it in

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my pocket with the screen facing outward so

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that I don't accidentally hit the screen and

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touch an ad and then navigate away all

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this nonsense.

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And every time, every few minutes, an ad

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plays and I have to go and skip

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it, man, it's the biggest pain in the

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butt, but I do it every single Tuesday

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because I love the content I'm willing to

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do.

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I'm willing to make my life, you know,

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complicated because of this content that, that you're

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right on with that.

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So examples from my own life, you know,

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pivot my hate, listen on the media.

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My other hate, listen, they're not on YouTube.

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They are very successful, highly successful in numbers

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and possibly money.

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I don't know.

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I don't care, but they're very successful.

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And, you know, people may access them through

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a web browser or, you know, just clicking

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on something or maybe in a podcast app,

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but they're not on YouTube.

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They don't have videos.

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So, you know, why are they breaking the

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mold?

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Well, it's because of the content, whether you

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like it or hate it, if you're going

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to, if you want it, you're going to

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go get it where you can get it,

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which is in this case, wherever you get

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your podcast, which is also on the website.

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So this is a cycle.

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And when we have another break, Oh, by

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the way, proof is in the pudding.

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People actually paid money to follow Joe Rogan

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to Spotify.

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You couldn't get it anywhere else.

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They paid money to go and follow him

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on Spotify in the millions.

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Now Spotify had a flawed strategy in that

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regard, but that's because that content is what

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people want.

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So now if podcasters or anyone who's producing

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content, I abhor the creator nomiker moniker.

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If they want to upload to YouTube and

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build their audience there, and I know I'm

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sounding like Todd, I'm sorry.

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And, you know, and with all the possible

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downside, like before I came to our church

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here in Fredericksburg, the YouTube was their place.

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YouTube was where they put, I'm sorry, Facebook.

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Facebook was where they put everything.

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Oh, oh, that's sad.

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That gives me shivers.

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Yeah.

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And they built up a following and they

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were actively maintaining it.

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And, you know, once I got in there,

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I'm like, you know, let's see what y

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'all are doing.

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And, uh, and they get so many strikes

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and they, oh yeah, they've had to have,

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you know, it was initially, well, you're playing

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music that isn't licensed.

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Well, believe me, these churches have all, they

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pay up the wazoo for licenses to do

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exactly this.

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And in addition, Facebook also pays licenses.

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So it is well covered, but you got

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to go back.

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You got to go get your channel reinstated.

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Um, then it's like a short, oh, uh,

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you know, that was politically motivated content.

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You know, something our pastor said about voting,

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you know, that strike and you're down.

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So if you want to live like that,

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okay.

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Um, yeah.

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If you want to, if you want to

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know how that works, go talk to Brian

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of London and see his Facebook experience, which

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is led to a lawsuit.

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Yes.

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And his Twitter experience, et cetera, et cetera.

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Then, and, and, you know, you can say,

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well, you shouldn't have done that, but no,

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I mean, this is only going to get

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worse.

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Then social networks are falling apart because of

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it.

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So it's cute.

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People are building up audience and followers and

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profile.

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They've been over 42,000, um, harm, harm,

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harm reports put in on blue sky.

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Because they're losing their mind over there.

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That place is ridiculous.

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And, you know, and, and X is no,

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but it all sucks.

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It all sucks.

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And then what did they do?

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They took the basic premise of a newsfeed

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of RSS and they replicated that with algorithms.

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And if you don't have the algorithms, by

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the way, you won't be successful.

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I hate, I hate, I don't want to

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bash, but see Nostra Nostra.

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Oh yeah.

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Nostra is just mastodon and mastodon.

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It's not an exciting experience because there's no

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algorithm and there's, and the engagement is, it

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just doesn't happen.

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So more and more, I see people going

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back to publishing on the web, using stuff

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like ghost and other and other publishing tools.

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Um, I think we're going to see the

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same issues with sub stack, by the way,

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whenever you are posting something and, and you

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use the company name as, um, as the

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name for what you're doing by saying, yeah,

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I wrote a sub stack.

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You're in deep trouble.

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You're already giving up yourself to that company.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Like a medium article.

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Yeah.

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Same thing.

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And look how that turned out.

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It didn't turn out great.

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It didn't turn out great.

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So a couple of things about this.

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So, so the cycle I've seen the cycle

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I've lived in the cycle, the podcasting grew.

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Well, podcasting went from page one to page

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two to page 37 below the fold to

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gone in a matter of months.

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And it was all YouTube and YouTube and

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YouTube and the revolution and broadcast yourself.

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And, uh, and the venture capital guys like,

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Oh, you've got to be like YouTube.

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You've got to be like YouTube.

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Cause they only follow, you know, nonsense.

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And, uh, we didn't stick to our guns.

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And I think that was a mistake ultimately.

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And in the meantime, and the result is

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you double your, you double your overhead and

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do not, and do not increase your, your

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subscribers or your pay at all.

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Correct.

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Correct.

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And you have, you can be, uh, demoted,

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de-boosted, demonetized, all kinds of things can

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happen.

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That's just a fact of life and everybody

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knows it.

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So a number of people will think that

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this is the way to go.

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And we just have to sit and wait

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patiently.

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There will be some content, something that's amazing

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and people will flock to it and it

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will be audio only.

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And we'll have another resurgence and the VC

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will come in there and we'll have all

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kinds of things happening.

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It is a cycle.

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I've seen it.

496
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I've lived it.

497
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I got the t-shirt.

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I have this, the bumper sticker, the VHS

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version.

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I have everything, everything.

501
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It also feels like we're at the end

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of a, it feels like we're at the

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end of a podcast sort of, um, um,

504
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epic, maybe, and I'm not sure what freight,

505
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what, what term to use for this season,

506
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a season where we're at the end of

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a podcast season where, um, the popularity of

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the, of the current formats, not just interview,

509
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but there's, there's a few different formats like

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watch, you know, episode rewatch, a television rewatch

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podcast.

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Like there's all these formats.

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They're just been sort of boilerplate formats.

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And it feels like a lot of those,

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like Ashley Carmen had an article yesterday about

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it in our newsletter about the, how these

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interview shows are starting to just kind of

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wane because people are just tired of the,

519
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the listeners are tired of listening to them.

520
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And the, and the podcasters are tired of

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doing them because it just feels like this

522
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sort of like, you know, churn this wheel

523
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that you keep spinning.

524
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Yes.

525
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And then we have the culture war economy

526
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podcasts and they all go on each other

527
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shows.

528
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Yeah, exactly.

529
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It feels like we're at the end of

530
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that, that, that, that, uh, season where we're

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I'm looking, I look forward to, um, I

532
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look forward to what new formats may emerge

533
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when everybody gets tired of this.

534
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I think we accidentally took our own advice

535
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and created something that may be the next

536
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version of this, um, combining mission-specific, uh,

537
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applications and hyper-local podcasts.

538
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And I think I'd just like to talk

539
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a little bit about that, which is our

540
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super secret project.

541
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SSP.

542
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SSP.

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And, and in a nutshell, it is a

544
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mission-specific podcast player that is managed by

545
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someone who has a live stream and the

546
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live stream is meant to drive people to

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the podcast player.

548
00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,880
So they can, so you can have one

549
00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:02,100
type of content or maybe all of this

550
00:20:02,100 --> 00:20:04,140
content, whatever you want on the, it's very

551
00:20:04,140 --> 00:20:08,700
much like the no agenda stream, um, format

552
00:20:08,700 --> 00:20:11,680
in a way that we're the no agenda

553
00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:12,180
stream.

554
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:13,960
If you've never listened to it, no agenda

555
00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:14,720
dot stream.

556
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,000
It's 24 hours a day of podcasts that,

557
00:20:18,100 --> 00:20:20,500
uh, I'd say about, I don't know, Sir

558
00:20:20,500 --> 00:20:22,740
Ben Rose might know probably about 40%.

559
00:20:22,740 --> 00:20:26,500
Um, stream it live, maybe less, but about,

560
00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,200
I think about 40% and people have

561
00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,460
a chat room, uh, which it changes name.

562
00:20:32,540 --> 00:20:34,300
So it's the troll room for no agenda.

563
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,960
It's, uh, it's the board room for podcasting

564
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,580
2.0, though we have a sub channel,

565
00:20:38,580 --> 00:20:40,040
a sub chamber.

566
00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,600
Um, and, and the referral is, so you

567
00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,000
listen to that in your player, wherever you

568
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,500
get your podcasts and you refer back to

569
00:20:51,500 --> 00:20:53,920
that and there are the podcasts that are

570
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:54,700
either on it.

571
00:20:55,500 --> 00:20:57,280
So if you missed it, you can pick

572
00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,040
it up and it's, and it's there, you

573
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:00,580
know, it's, it's, it's not, it's not just

574
00:21:00,580 --> 00:21:03,940
an open player that has everything is very

575
00:21:03,940 --> 00:21:06,560
specific and it's kind of, it's programmed just

576
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,660
like no agenda stream is programs or Ben

577
00:21:08,660 --> 00:21:10,220
Rose programs that stream.

578
00:21:10,700 --> 00:21:12,280
And there's a, it's a lineup.

579
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:12,540
Yeah.

580
00:21:12,540 --> 00:21:13,720
It's a, it's a, it's a clock.

581
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,940
Um, and so we've accidentally kind of taken,

582
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,640
so in that case, the hyper local part

583
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,940
is a relatively small, no agenda nation audience,

584
00:21:26,100 --> 00:21:28,760
which, you know, uh, with the next program

585
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,560
becomes Nick the rat sewer, or the next

586
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,140
program becomes, uh, Darren O'Neill's, uh, rock

587
00:21:35,140 --> 00:21:37,380
and roll pre-show or the grumpy old

588
00:21:37,380 --> 00:21:40,480
Ben's or the grand old dames, you know,

589
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,100
with buds and bowls with buds.

590
00:21:42,140 --> 00:21:43,280
And it becomes hype.

591
00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:45,760
These are very hyper local because these are

592
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:50,620
hyper local podcasts of, um, communities of interest.

593
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:51,740
Right.

594
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:56,320
And what we're doing is literally geographic locations,

595
00:21:56,460 --> 00:21:57,120
hyper local.

596
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,120
And, um, uh, with, and it's mission specific.

597
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,220
Does that, do you think that's a pretty

598
00:22:03,220 --> 00:22:04,400
good explanation of what we're doing?

599
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:06,340
Yeah, I think so.

600
00:22:06,380 --> 00:22:09,900
It's, it's like, um, it's yeah.

601
00:22:09,900 --> 00:22:11,520
The ability to create, you know, to create

602
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:16,500
a player that has a, you can turn,

603
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,280
well, try to figure out the right way.

604
00:22:21,020 --> 00:22:22,240
I think you described it.

605
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,440
Well, I'm trying to figure out how to

606
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,120
sum it up, but you could say it

607
00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:27,900
in a, in a single phrase, maybe, you

608
00:22:27,900 --> 00:22:29,720
know, you can turn any, you can turn

609
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,340
anything into a radio station.

610
00:22:31,900 --> 00:22:32,380
Yes.

611
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:37,660
Um, yourself, your, your, your, your sort of

612
00:22:37,660 --> 00:22:40,360
group that you hang out with your church,

613
00:22:40,540 --> 00:22:43,980
your neighborhood, like you can turn anything into

614
00:22:43,980 --> 00:22:47,260
a radio station by just adding, you know,

615
00:22:47,260 --> 00:22:49,280
adding these shows to your lineup and, and,

616
00:22:49,460 --> 00:22:50,880
and having a live stream to go, to

617
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:51,440
go with it.

618
00:22:51,740 --> 00:22:51,840
Yep.

619
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,400
Everybody can be a radio.

620
00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:56,640
Well, everybody's got pod.

621
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,160
Everybody's got transmitters.

622
00:22:58,300 --> 00:22:58,780
Excuse me.

623
00:22:58,820 --> 00:23:01,920
Everybody's got receivers in your, in your pocket,

624
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,660
which are podcast apps and everybody's got transmitters,

625
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,900
uh, available to them with podcasting.

626
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,700
So then it's a programmable transmitter.

627
00:23:12,020 --> 00:23:12,980
It's the station.

628
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:13,960
This is the station.

629
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:14,780
Yes, the station.

630
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:15,520
Yeah, exactly.

631
00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:18,320
We'll be talking more about that as time

632
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:18,740
progresses.

633
00:23:19,780 --> 00:23:19,880
Yeah.

634
00:23:20,060 --> 00:23:22,360
Um, but I wanted to talk for a

635
00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:26,460
second about the, a general demure, very thoughtful,

636
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,000
very demure attitude amongst some developers and podcasters,

637
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:35,320
uh, who feel that, uh, they they're feeling,

638
00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:37,480
uh, somewhat dismayed.

639
00:23:37,700 --> 00:23:40,140
Some are feeling disillusioned and I'm, you know,

640
00:23:40,180 --> 00:23:42,120
I, I troll on the telegram group, so

641
00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:46,600
I can get a part of this is

642
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,420
the Albie apocalypse, uh, which, you know, is,

643
00:23:50,500 --> 00:23:53,240
is not, is not important as to what

644
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:54,860
happened there or what's happening.

645
00:23:54,940 --> 00:23:58,620
Uh, it's clearly not working out for, uh,

646
00:23:58,620 --> 00:23:59,540
for podcasting.

647
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,580
Although I think they have generally have the

648
00:24:01,580 --> 00:24:06,980
good intentions for podcasters, but for podcast app

649
00:24:06,980 --> 00:24:09,240
users is really not a solution.

650
00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:14,260
And, uh, just as we were about, just

651
00:24:14,260 --> 00:24:19,080
as you actually amongst your three existing job,

652
00:24:19,140 --> 00:24:22,700
we're about to code up the, a new

653
00:24:22,700 --> 00:24:24,420
example of how we could move forward.

654
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:25,760
Boom.

655
00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:27,280
Oscar pops in now.

656
00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:28,120
I know he's going to be, he was

657
00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:29,220
going to be on the show today.

658
00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:30,860
He's going to be on the show next

659
00:24:30,860 --> 00:24:32,580
week, but I really, I would like to

660
00:24:32,580 --> 00:24:35,980
give everybody a little boost just by explaining

661
00:24:35,980 --> 00:24:36,620
what he did.

662
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,140
And, and I, can we, can we share

663
00:24:40,140 --> 00:24:40,800
this with people?

664
00:24:40,860 --> 00:24:42,000
Can people take a look at this?

665
00:24:42,020 --> 00:24:42,760
I mean, it's public.

666
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,400
He, I, I presume he meant it to

667
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:46,480
be public.

668
00:24:47,020 --> 00:24:50,700
I told him that I would, um, paste

669
00:24:50,700 --> 00:24:54,040
the link into the boardroom instead of like

670
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,100
saying it on the show.

671
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,780
That way we get, yeah, that's a great

672
00:24:57,780 --> 00:24:58,180
idea.

673
00:24:58,300 --> 00:24:59,460
Should I do it right now or you

674
00:24:59,460 --> 00:24:59,840
got it?

675
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:00,360
I'm doing it.

676
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:00,820
I got it.

677
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,060
Let's see.

678
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,680
So what this is for the listeners out

679
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,300
there, this is a, a mock-up, uh,

680
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,080
but it is where it works of boosting

681
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:17,680
a podcast by connecting a rando strike wallet.

682
00:25:18,540 --> 00:25:21,020
Now we've been just discussing strike as a

683
00:25:21,020 --> 00:25:25,480
possible option for simplicity's sake for, um, people

684
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,320
who just want to get into it and

685
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,880
just want to do some, some boosting and

686
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,420
want to get into value for value without

687
00:25:32,420 --> 00:25:38,320
too many, uh, hiccups and difficulties and misinterpretations.

688
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,420
And I think it's undeniable that the strike

689
00:25:42,420 --> 00:25:46,180
wallet, the strike app is very consumer friendly.

690
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,240
The, I, did you have, did you go

691
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:51,360
through a KYC with them?

692
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,800
I didn't, I didn't get a KYC.

693
00:25:52,900 --> 00:25:54,000
I was just able to connect it and

694
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,640
it was fine to me.

695
00:25:56,020 --> 00:25:57,840
Oh, you mean when I connected to the

696
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,400
pay, to the test app?

697
00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:02,000
When, no, just when you connected to your

698
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,600
card or your bank or whatever.

699
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:05,680
Oh, back in the day when I set

700
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,300
it up so long ago, I don't even

701
00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:10,340
remember me, me and you were, I think

702
00:26:10,340 --> 00:26:11,860
we were in the beta of strike.

703
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,620
I mean, we were very early.

704
00:26:13,780 --> 00:26:13,940
Yeah.

705
00:26:14,380 --> 00:26:17,060
So it's for all intents and purposes, it

706
00:26:17,060 --> 00:26:19,920
works just like Venmo or cash app.

707
00:26:20,260 --> 00:26:22,720
And I actually hope that this same system

708
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,020
will be able to set up with a

709
00:26:25,020 --> 00:26:29,220
cash app and possibly, um, I think PayPal

710
00:26:29,220 --> 00:26:30,920
is talking about doing something.

711
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,420
And so they do not do lightning.

712
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,020
I mean, they did not do key send.

713
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,960
The key send seems to have just been

714
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,480
deprecated into the depths of a Bitcoin hell,

715
00:26:41,860 --> 00:26:43,840
uh, which is, which is understandable.

716
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:45,880
Bolt 12 is on the way and bolt

717
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:46,220
11.

718
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,560
And, um, now we made that choice early

719
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,020
on for a number of reasons.

720
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,480
Uh, those may be anachronistic at this point.

721
00:26:57,220 --> 00:26:57,800
Possibly.

722
00:26:58,180 --> 00:27:00,140
So, um, but when you, when you get

723
00:27:00,140 --> 00:27:02,760
a strike wallet, it's quite simple to set

724
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:03,000
up.

725
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,700
You can look at your, at your funds

726
00:27:05,700 --> 00:27:10,220
in, um, in a Fiat or in, uh,

727
00:27:10,220 --> 00:27:15,480
Satoshi's, you can, uh, buy and sell Bitcoin

728
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:16,780
there.

729
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:17,260
It's right.

730
00:27:17,340 --> 00:27:18,360
It's all in one place.

731
00:27:18,460 --> 00:27:20,360
So there's no third party app.

732
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:21,820
You have to go to, you can hook

733
00:27:21,820 --> 00:27:24,280
it up directly to your bank account the

734
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,200
way you do with, uh, with Venmo.

735
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,240
And, uh, it is a, that is a

736
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,880
rather large corporation that I think people feel

737
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,460
comfortable with and trust, uh, with their, um,

738
00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:38,040
with their information, their credentials and their money.

739
00:27:38,770 --> 00:27:39,040
Right.

740
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:45,620
And what, uh, what, uh, Oscar has done

741
00:27:45,620 --> 00:27:48,560
here is he's created an example where you

742
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,520
can connect your strike wallet to this, uh,

743
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,980
boost page, which would be an app.

744
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,360
And in the background, it's just doing a

745
00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:59,420
very is actually the strike wall.

746
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:00,260
It does it very nicely.

747
00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:02,160
You enter in your email address that you

748
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,760
use for your strike account.

749
00:28:03,980 --> 00:28:06,100
It emails you a code, you put the

750
00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:07,940
code right into the website and you're done.

751
00:28:08,020 --> 00:28:08,520
You're connected.

752
00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:09,320
You're done.

753
00:28:09,620 --> 00:28:11,780
You're OAuth right away.

754
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,880
And he put in this example, the, uh,

755
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,820
podcast LN address spec, uh, and I've tested

756
00:28:18,820 --> 00:28:20,920
it and it works flawlessly.

757
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:22,100
Yeah.

758
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:22,520
Works great.

759
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,320
Do I need, do we need to add

760
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:25,980
some more here?

761
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:32,140
Uh, well, so let me, let me step

762
00:28:32,140 --> 00:28:32,880
back for a minute.

763
00:28:32,940 --> 00:28:34,700
If you, if you, if you will, uh,

764
00:28:34,700 --> 00:28:36,140
if you will indulge me, can I add

765
00:28:36,140 --> 00:28:38,520
one more thing before, before I step back

766
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,200
and, and give you the floor and the

767
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,940
microphone, the headset, it's a headset.

768
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,940
You can use the strike wallet solution, both

769
00:28:49,940 --> 00:28:52,200
directions as a podcaster.

770
00:28:52,340 --> 00:28:54,720
You can also use that with your, uh,

771
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,360
strike LN address, LN URL address, LN, what

772
00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:58,740
is it?

773
00:28:58,740 --> 00:28:59,620
LN address.

774
00:28:59,620 --> 00:29:02,080
So you can also, yes, you can also

775
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,440
receive and send from the same wallet, which

776
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,220
will make it very, very, uh, comfortable for

777
00:29:09,220 --> 00:29:11,400
artists and new podcasters.

778
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,940
Of course, all of this, uh, leaves the,

779
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,000
uh, the sovereign people completely free to do

780
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,100
it however they want to.

781
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,400
There's, there's no downside to you hosting your

782
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,140
infrastructure and your wallet yourself.

783
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:25,800
I'm stepping back.

784
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:26,600
Here's the, here's the headset.

785
00:29:28,020 --> 00:29:28,880
Oh, thank you.

786
00:29:29,020 --> 00:29:29,240
Thank you.

787
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:30,280
One, one second.

788
00:29:31,860 --> 00:29:32,740
What are we drinking?

789
00:29:32,980 --> 00:29:33,340
Pabst.

790
00:29:34,780 --> 00:29:36,780
So it's a LaCroix pure.

791
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,460
I'm back to the, I'm back to the

792
00:29:38,460 --> 00:29:39,100
non-flavored.

793
00:29:39,220 --> 00:29:40,980
I'm, I'm off the wagon for the moment.

794
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:42,620
Oh, all right.

795
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:49,100
Um, so this, this page is taking advantage.

796
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:50,900
Well, let me, let me, let me back,

797
00:29:50,980 --> 00:29:51,740
let me back up for a second.

798
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,480
I, we gotta, we gotta like move up

799
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:54,360
a couple of notches here.

800
00:29:55,740 --> 00:29:59,640
The, uh, first of all, cotton gin in

801
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,580
the boardroom is saying that breeze of course

802
00:30:02,580 --> 00:30:03,580
still works with all this stuff.

803
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:04,180
That is correct.

804
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:04,560
Yes.

805
00:30:05,060 --> 00:30:06,940
Breeze is unaffected by any of this.

806
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:12,120
Um, so that is always, you know, breeze

807
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:12,880
is always a knob.

808
00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:14,740
It's a standalone node on your phone.

809
00:30:14,780 --> 00:30:19,020
It can, it's impervious to, to, you know,

810
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,160
things to ripples.

811
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,280
If I really want to make sure that

812
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,380
a big boost goes through, I usually do

813
00:30:24,380 --> 00:30:25,040
it from breeze.

814
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,400
Yes, that's, that's, it's, you have a node

815
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:30,940
in your pocket.

816
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,000
You also have a very hot leg, but

817
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,820
you have a, there's that, there's that.

818
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,580
Um, so, but stepping back for a second,

819
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:48,660
the, like this, the Albie apocalypse has been,

820
00:30:48,660 --> 00:30:52,180
uh, sort of depressed, has been pretty depressing

821
00:30:52,180 --> 00:30:52,920
to me.

822
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,460
Uh, and I've, you know, I've probably mentioned

823
00:30:56,460 --> 00:30:59,040
that before that it feels like I always

824
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,040
hate it when we, when we, it feels

825
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,360
like we've made a lot of progress and

826
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,680
then you have to, you realize you have

827
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,240
to kind of start over from scratch almost.

828
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,360
And it's, it's, it's, uh, like when I,

829
00:31:09,460 --> 00:31:10,820
whenever I think, you know, I get wrapped

830
00:31:10,820 --> 00:31:12,380
up in this other project we're doing and,

831
00:31:12,460 --> 00:31:14,400
and, and namespace stuff and, and all these

832
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:14,840
kinds of things.

833
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,660
And then, and then I think about the,

834
00:31:18,660 --> 00:31:21,020
the value tag and what's going on with

835
00:31:21,020 --> 00:31:21,300
Albie.

836
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:22,520
And I just get into sort of like

837
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,520
a fugue state, which is kind of like,

838
00:31:24,620 --> 00:31:27,920
uh, fuke spell.

839
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,920
Oh, uh, I don't know how you spell

840
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,920
F-U-G-U-E, I think.

841
00:31:33,060 --> 00:31:34,260
And can you use it in a sentence?

842
00:31:35,460 --> 00:31:35,740
Yes.

843
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,020
When Dave thinks of the Albie apocalypse, he

844
00:31:38,020 --> 00:31:39,120
enters a fugue state.

845
00:31:39,740 --> 00:31:40,320
Fugue.

846
00:31:40,660 --> 00:31:41,240
Fugue.

847
00:31:41,460 --> 00:31:41,760
Hmm.

848
00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:42,460
Definition.

849
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:43,280
It's in the DSM-5.

850
00:31:43,780 --> 00:31:45,660
Uh, DSM-5.

851
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,440
Um, here we go.

852
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,220
One that drives away.

853
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:50,700
Ooh.

854
00:31:51,780 --> 00:31:52,080
Ooh.

855
00:31:52,620 --> 00:31:53,040
Fugue.

856
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,580
Do we pronounce it fugue or fuge?

857
00:31:56,980 --> 00:31:58,960
Uh, pretty sure it's fugue.

858
00:31:59,120 --> 00:31:59,400
Okay.

859
00:31:59,700 --> 00:32:02,500
It's a, it's a, a fugue state also

860
00:32:02,500 --> 00:32:05,920
known as a dissociative fugue or psychogenic fugue

861
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,400
is a rare psychiatric condition where a person

862
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,860
experiences amnesia and ends up in an unexpected

863
00:32:11,860 --> 00:32:12,560
place.

864
00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:13,760
Goodness gracious.

865
00:32:14,420 --> 00:32:16,020
Do you need a wellness check?

866
00:32:18,180 --> 00:32:19,840
People in a fugue state may not remember

867
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,080
who they are, their past experiences, or how

868
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,280
they got to their current location.

869
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,160
It's also known as taking an Ambien.

870
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:26,100
Oh no.

871
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,080
Um, it's F-U-G-U-E.

872
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:30,080
Yes.

873
00:32:30,660 --> 00:32:30,800
Yeah.

874
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:32,240
Fugue state.

875
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:32,800
Okay.

876
00:32:33,180 --> 00:32:34,160
Another good show title.

877
00:32:34,940 --> 00:32:38,260
The, so I just kind of feel like,

878
00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:41,420
you know, like I don't, I don't even

879
00:32:41,420 --> 00:32:43,060
want to think about it because it's annoying.

880
00:32:43,060 --> 00:32:49,280
The whole thing's annoying, but so, but then,

881
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,280
but then this is really for the best.

882
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,040
Honestly, if we're, if we're just looking at

883
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,200
it tough, if we're giving ourselves tough love,

884
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,420
this is, this is a good thing because

885
00:33:01,420 --> 00:33:09,020
when you have a, what we make is

886
00:33:09,020 --> 00:33:09,580
protocols.

887
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,960
First of all, we don't create products.

888
00:33:14,420 --> 00:33:18,520
That's not what podcasting 2.0 or the

889
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,440
N or, or the namespace.

890
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:21,600
That's not what that is.

891
00:33:22,140 --> 00:33:23,500
We write specs.

892
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,920
We don't, I, I don't say that we

893
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:27,720
write standards.

894
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,460
I don't really like that terminology.

895
00:33:29,740 --> 00:33:31,880
We write specs, we write protocols, we write

896
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:36,260
the things that publish the things that help

897
00:33:36,260 --> 00:33:41,020
people do the things we, we value, uh,

898
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,000
features and, and new functionality.

899
00:33:45,060 --> 00:33:49,060
And in that sense, if the, if one

900
00:33:49,060 --> 00:33:52,160
of the things that we write ends up

901
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:58,380
completely dependent upon the good graces of, of

902
00:33:58,380 --> 00:34:03,560
a single company or person or entity, that's,

903
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,639
that's just not a long-term sustainable thing.

904
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,199
And that's what happens.

905
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,719
That's what happened with, with Albie specifically on

906
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:16,860
the listener side.

907
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:19,040
And that's all we're talking about here.

908
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:22,719
Albie, Albie on the receiver side, on the

909
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,020
creator side, that's never been a problem and

910
00:34:26,020 --> 00:34:27,719
will not be a problem in the future.

911
00:34:28,179 --> 00:34:31,600
And, and their Albie hub is greatly appreciated

912
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:32,300
open source.

913
00:34:32,460 --> 00:34:33,360
There's no doubt about it.

914
00:34:33,460 --> 00:34:33,600
Yes.

915
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,659
The problem that was run into is the

916
00:34:37,659 --> 00:34:41,580
Albie API replaced LN pay on the, on

917
00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:43,520
the listener side, because you, in order to

918
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,280
make this all work, you have to have

919
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,699
a listener wallet, but every podcast app listener

920
00:34:49,699 --> 00:34:52,620
has to have a wallet tied to their

921
00:34:52,620 --> 00:34:54,840
podcast app in some way.

922
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,760
And that became, because it was so easy

923
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:05,220
and free and simple, it became just a

924
00:35:05,220 --> 00:35:07,820
standard that all the, any app that wanted

925
00:35:07,820 --> 00:35:09,820
to have a listener wallet, so they could

926
00:35:09,820 --> 00:35:12,920
pay podcasters other than breeze and fountain.

927
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,080
Those are those standalone.

928
00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:17,600
They're their own thing, but everybody else started

929
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:18,140
using Albie.

930
00:35:19,540 --> 00:35:25,120
And that was always shaky ground to be

931
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,860
on because Albie is a company.

932
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,080
And I think I said this time and

933
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,760
time and time again, time and time and

934
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:33,280
time again.

935
00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:34,820
Yes.

936
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,340
Albie is a company and they have to

937
00:35:38,340 --> 00:35:41,700
respond to the way companies do when the

938
00:35:41,700 --> 00:35:44,560
bottom line, you know, comes into play.

939
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,120
You got to pivot when legal issues come

940
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:49,460
into play, you got to change.

941
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:50,460
And that's what this was.

942
00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:54,320
It was mainly regulatory legal issues, money transmitter

943
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:55,300
issues, et cetera.

944
00:35:56,060 --> 00:35:56,760
Yeah.

945
00:35:57,240 --> 00:35:57,700
Yeah.

946
00:35:57,820 --> 00:36:02,180
And so if so in so long term

947
00:36:02,180 --> 00:36:04,740
and it also set up a little bit

948
00:36:04,740 --> 00:36:11,070
of a, of a sort of an unhealthy

949
00:36:11,070 --> 00:36:17,850
dissociation between, between the listeners, true source of

950
00:36:17,850 --> 00:36:22,110
funds and the way that they send.

951
00:36:22,210 --> 00:36:23,830
So you, we always had to go through

952
00:36:23,830 --> 00:36:30,450
this strange connection where you have, where, okay,

953
00:36:30,570 --> 00:36:34,350
I've got cast a matic and this is

954
00:36:34,350 --> 00:36:37,410
apropos because Frank Franco's going through this right

955
00:36:37,410 --> 00:36:37,610
now.

956
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:39,570
He's trying to figure out what he's going

957
00:36:39,570 --> 00:36:40,970
to do to replace Albie.

958
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:44,510
And so I have cast a matic and

959
00:36:44,510 --> 00:36:45,910
it has an Albie wallet attached to it.

960
00:36:45,970 --> 00:36:46,910
Well, I don't, I want to get some

961
00:36:46,910 --> 00:36:48,890
sats in there so I can, so I

962
00:36:48,890 --> 00:36:50,570
can stream sets and pay podcasters.

963
00:36:51,830 --> 00:36:53,810
And in order to do that, I have

964
00:36:53,810 --> 00:36:55,770
to go over to some other third thing

965
00:36:55,770 --> 00:36:57,750
like cash app or strike and then send

966
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:59,510
those sats to cast a medic so that

967
00:36:59,510 --> 00:37:00,990
I can then send them to the, to

968
00:37:00,990 --> 00:37:01,290
the podcast.

969
00:37:01,630 --> 00:37:02,890
That was always a big hurdle.

970
00:37:03,550 --> 00:37:03,970
Yeah.

971
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:05,430
Cause you have to, you have this weird

972
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:06,790
hop in the middle of this sort of

973
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:07,270
unnatural.

974
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:09,830
It would always be, it would always be

975
00:37:09,830 --> 00:37:14,430
better if your original app that hold your

976
00:37:14,430 --> 00:37:17,470
main wallet could be connected just straight to

977
00:37:17,470 --> 00:37:18,330
your podcast app.

978
00:37:18,590 --> 00:37:21,470
It would be like connecting your, if this

979
00:37:21,470 --> 00:37:23,150
was all done in Fiat, it would be

980
00:37:23,150 --> 00:37:26,270
like having been able to just say, okay,

981
00:37:26,350 --> 00:37:28,430
connect my podcast app to my PayPal account

982
00:37:28,430 --> 00:37:29,750
and I'm just going to do an OAuth

983
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:30,850
and I'm just going to send you some

984
00:37:30,850 --> 00:37:31,150
money.

985
00:37:32,750 --> 00:37:36,750
And so that's what this thing is that,

986
00:37:36,750 --> 00:37:38,390
that Oscar has created.

987
00:37:38,490 --> 00:37:42,510
He's created an example page where you, where

988
00:37:42,510 --> 00:37:44,930
you hook your strike account through OAuth directly

989
00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:47,790
to a podcast app in this, in this

990
00:37:47,790 --> 00:37:51,390
sense, in, in this circumstance, the podcast app

991
00:37:51,390 --> 00:37:53,830
is just a webpage and there's an, it's

992
00:37:53,830 --> 00:37:54,710
not playing anything.

993
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:56,190
It's just an example, but you can think

994
00:37:56,190 --> 00:37:58,250
of the, the, the page itself as if

995
00:37:58,250 --> 00:37:59,330
it were a podcast app.

996
00:38:00,710 --> 00:38:03,590
And he's taking advantage of the new thing,

997
00:38:03,650 --> 00:38:05,550
the new changes we put into the value

998
00:38:05,550 --> 00:38:10,290
recipient tag a couple of months ago with

999
00:38:10,290 --> 00:38:14,030
the LN address type.

1000
00:38:15,070 --> 00:38:17,030
So now he's not, this is not using

1001
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:17,690
key send.

1002
00:38:17,830 --> 00:38:19,370
This is using LN address.

1003
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:21,870
And so if the type of the value

1004
00:38:21,870 --> 00:38:25,870
recipient is LN address, then you can put

1005
00:38:25,870 --> 00:38:27,050
the address in there.

1006
00:38:28,010 --> 00:38:30,810
In this case, any lightning address, so something

1007
00:38:30,810 --> 00:38:32,830
like fountain at strike.me is one of

1008
00:38:32,830 --> 00:38:34,970
them and boost bot at fountain.fm is

1009
00:38:34,970 --> 00:38:35,450
another one.

1010
00:38:36,530 --> 00:38:38,190
You can put in an address and then

1011
00:38:38,190 --> 00:38:40,270
it could be David, getalby.com.

1012
00:38:40,890 --> 00:38:42,730
You know, that's any outlining address.

1013
00:38:44,250 --> 00:38:46,390
Then when you go to pay it, when

1014
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:47,910
you put in your amount, put in your

1015
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:49,610
message, your name, all that kind of stuff,

1016
00:38:49,690 --> 00:38:51,770
and then you pay the, the amount.

1017
00:38:53,170 --> 00:38:54,690
It, what it's going to, what it's going

1018
00:38:54,690 --> 00:38:57,470
to do is create two, it's going to

1019
00:38:57,470 --> 00:39:01,170
communicate with your strike wallet and create, it

1020
00:39:01,170 --> 00:39:02,550
is going to, it's going to calculate the

1021
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:03,070
splits.

1022
00:39:03,870 --> 00:39:05,490
So if I put in, you know, a

1023
00:39:05,490 --> 00:39:08,110
hundred sats and this, this, these two splits,

1024
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:10,670
90 for boost bot, 10 for fountain.

1025
00:39:11,490 --> 00:39:13,730
It's going to peel off 90 sats for

1026
00:39:13,730 --> 00:39:16,950
boost bot, 10 sats for, for fountain, create

1027
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:22,590
two transactions, two LN, two LN URL pay

1028
00:39:22,590 --> 00:39:27,330
transactions through bolt with just standard bolt 11

1029
00:39:27,330 --> 00:39:29,290
invoices and pay each of those.

1030
00:39:29,610 --> 00:39:33,370
So on your strike history, once that payment

1031
00:39:33,370 --> 00:39:35,410
is completed on your strike history, you will

1032
00:39:35,410 --> 00:39:40,130
see in there two payments, one for 90

1033
00:39:40,130 --> 00:39:41,870
sats to boost bot and one for 10

1034
00:39:41,870 --> 00:39:43,490
sats to strike them to fountain.

1035
00:39:44,910 --> 00:39:50,610
So this, this is a way to go

1036
00:39:50,610 --> 00:39:53,050
forward where we don't have to rely on

1037
00:39:53,050 --> 00:39:55,530
key sand support.

1038
00:39:56,370 --> 00:39:59,870
And we don't have to rely on a,

1039
00:39:59,990 --> 00:40:05,070
on the, the sort of goodwill or good

1040
00:40:05,070 --> 00:40:09,210
intentions of one single company.

1041
00:40:10,570 --> 00:40:16,350
The, this, this to me is the way

1042
00:40:16,350 --> 00:40:19,530
is the way forward, I think.

1043
00:40:21,450 --> 00:40:24,510
And there's, it's not without, it's not without

1044
00:40:24,510 --> 00:40:25,310
its own problems.

1045
00:40:25,710 --> 00:40:27,510
Well, can I, can I ask two questions

1046
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:29,830
about as the retooling for this?

1047
00:40:30,490 --> 00:40:30,710
Sure.

1048
00:40:31,350 --> 00:40:37,450
So, um, the first question is, uh, an

1049
00:40:37,450 --> 00:40:42,770
app, um, let's say, so let's say I

1050
00:40:42,770 --> 00:40:46,250
use a podcast guru and podcast guru will

1051
00:40:46,250 --> 00:40:48,710
retool to connect my strike wallet.

1052
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:52,670
If I come across a value block that

1053
00:40:52,670 --> 00:40:55,530
has a key send, I can't key sent.

1054
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:58,630
So can you now, does the spec allow

1055
00:40:58,630 --> 00:41:03,070
for multiple types of payments so that I

1056
00:41:03,070 --> 00:41:06,470
could say, um, you can key send me

1057
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:09,750
at this note address, or if you don't

1058
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:13,270
have that capability app user, then you can,

1059
00:41:13,330 --> 00:41:15,130
uh, Ellen address me.

1060
00:41:16,370 --> 00:41:16,470
Yes.

1061
00:41:16,610 --> 00:41:16,890
Okay.

1062
00:41:17,370 --> 00:41:21,410
Second, if I want to have Ellen address

1063
00:41:21,410 --> 00:41:24,570
on my note at home, is that something

1064
00:41:24,570 --> 00:41:26,990
that's easy to do or is that complicated?

1065
00:41:33,710 --> 00:41:36,150
Um, I'm presuming it will work with Albi

1066
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:36,910
hub actually.

1067
00:41:37,170 --> 00:41:40,910
If you connect through the Albi service, but

1068
00:41:40,910 --> 00:41:43,410
to do it by myself at home, a

1069
00:41:43,410 --> 00:41:44,310
little more complicated.

1070
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:44,590
No.

1071
00:41:47,700 --> 00:41:49,080
If you were, if you just had an

1072
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,460
L and D, if you just had an

1073
00:41:50,460 --> 00:41:53,480
L and D node straight up and sort

1074
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,860
of nothing in front of it, I think

1075
00:41:55,860 --> 00:41:58,120
you would need to use something like Ellen

1076
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,800
bids to get a, to get a, okay.

1077
00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:03,620
Yeah.

1078
00:42:03,700 --> 00:42:04,980
Ellen URL layer.

1079
00:42:05,500 --> 00:42:05,600
Okay.

1080
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,440
Nathan G no, this does not preclude streaming

1081
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:09,920
sets.

1082
00:42:10,500 --> 00:42:13,020
Um, but I think most apps are already

1083
00:42:13,020 --> 00:42:16,300
batch processing, right?

1084
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,680
And so it won't be per minute.

1085
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,460
You can still, I, the app can probably

1086
00:42:21,460 --> 00:42:24,340
still report it to the sender as what

1087
00:42:24,340 --> 00:42:27,080
you sent per minute, but it'll be batched

1088
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,120
and sent, um, at every five minute intervals

1089
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:31,060
or something like that.

1090
00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:32,620
But it doesn't preclude that at all.

1091
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,420
And you could try to do a per

1092
00:42:35,420 --> 00:42:37,220
minute send with strikes Wallace too.

1093
00:42:37,300 --> 00:42:38,500
I don't know if they have a rate

1094
00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:39,800
limit on their API or anything.

1095
00:42:39,900 --> 00:42:42,920
It makes more sense to do batch, but

1096
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:43,640
no, yeah, you're right.

1097
00:42:43,700 --> 00:42:45,460
Nothing precludes this from per minute.

1098
00:42:46,220 --> 00:42:51,120
And eventually, uh, bolt 12 may, may pop

1099
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,140
up and, and be groovy and usable.

1100
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:53,760
I don't know.

1101
00:42:53,900 --> 00:42:54,300
We'll see.

1102
00:42:54,620 --> 00:42:57,000
The only benefit that we get from bolt

1103
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,740
12 and this is, this has to be

1104
00:42:59,740 --> 00:43:00,140
clarified.

1105
00:43:00,140 --> 00:43:03,220
The only benefit that we get from bolt

1106
00:43:03,220 --> 00:43:07,720
12 over, over the current spec is that

1107
00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:10,420
bolt 12 doesn't need a web server on

1108
00:43:10,420 --> 00:43:13,200
the, on the L and D node, right?

1109
00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:16,640
It gets rid of the HTTP layer and

1110
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,180
just does, it does essentially the same as

1111
00:43:19,180 --> 00:43:21,720
key send as Ellen, you know, it does

1112
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:23,580
the same as Ellen URL, right?

1113
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:23,820
Right.

1114
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:24,960
But I'm saying you don't, you don't need

1115
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:25,960
to have an address.

1116
00:43:26,060 --> 00:43:28,060
You just have a, some kind of a

1117
00:43:28,060 --> 00:43:30,840
invoice and it just reuses that same invoice

1118
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:31,680
over and over again.

1119
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,580
You don't have to, it uses the lightning

1120
00:43:33,580 --> 00:43:35,220
network to resolve, I guess is what I'm

1121
00:43:35,220 --> 00:43:35,520
saying.

1122
00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:36,480
Yeah.

1123
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,380
You get an invoice, you get an open

1124
00:43:39,380 --> 00:43:44,600
invoice that, and then when, when the paying

1125
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,040
node sees that invoice and try and goes

1126
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,240
to pay it, it sees that it's bolt

1127
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:52,660
12 and it does a back and forth

1128
00:43:53,220 --> 00:43:56,540
with the receiving node to get what's called

1129
00:43:56,540 --> 00:44:00,440
a blinded route and workout and get the

1130
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,260
receiving node to generate a pre-image so

1131
00:44:03,260 --> 00:44:04,080
that it can pay it.

1132
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,140
It's, it's basically exactly like Ellen URL, except

1133
00:44:07,140 --> 00:44:09,640
it all takes place over native lightning instead

1134
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:10,360
of through HTTP.

1135
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,540
So to get started on the, on the

1136
00:44:14,540 --> 00:44:19,280
podcasting side, it is, I'm not sure how

1137
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,360
it works, but the value block, if I'm

1138
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:27,980
entering for, so I have a, a 50

1139
00:44:27,980 --> 00:44:31,420
% split on, on a show, I can

1140
00:44:31,420 --> 00:44:35,400
add in two different methods for that, for

1141
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,500
that 50% split or how does that

1142
00:44:37,500 --> 00:44:41,260
look in, in, in, in, in production and

1143
00:44:41,260 --> 00:44:41,820
functioning?

1144
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:44,780
Say that again.

1145
00:44:44,780 --> 00:44:46,140
I'm not sure I followed a hundred percent.

1146
00:44:46,140 --> 00:44:49,980
So I still want, as we transition, I

1147
00:44:49,980 --> 00:44:53,520
want to move my payments to my Ellen

1148
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,760
address, but I don't want to lose out

1149
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,340
on people who are still trying to key

1150
00:44:58,340 --> 00:44:58,900
send me.

1151
00:45:00,060 --> 00:45:05,240
You can have, you can have both in

1152
00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:06,860
the, in the spec.

1153
00:45:08,500 --> 00:45:10,580
Let me, let me jump over to the

1154
00:45:10,580 --> 00:45:12,000
spec real quick, just to make sure I'm

1155
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,160
quoting it correctly.

1156
00:45:15,780 --> 00:45:16,240
Okay.

1157
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:25,020
So you can have, so the way this,

1158
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:33,020
the way this works is you're, you're

1159
00:45:33,020 --> 00:45:37,320
when you, when you're, you're well-known address,

1160
00:45:37,540 --> 00:45:40,580
you're, you're well-known response for the lightning

1161
00:45:40,580 --> 00:45:44,260
address, look up a response.

1162
00:45:46,540 --> 00:45:48,820
Let me, I'm, I'm, I'm getting, I'm confusing

1163
00:45:48,820 --> 00:45:49,500
myself here.

1164
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,280
The value, I don't know, I'll have to

1165
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,680
figure this out and write it up in

1166
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:01,000
a way that makes sense because there's the,

1167
00:46:01,060 --> 00:46:03,880
the, the Ellen address has a, has sort

1168
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:09,380
of a custom we call it like a

1169
00:46:09,380 --> 00:46:10,540
custom response.

1170
00:46:12,540 --> 00:46:14,220
So you've got, you've got two options for

1171
00:46:14,220 --> 00:46:14,520
the type.

1172
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,060
You've got node, which can be the lightning

1173
00:46:16,060 --> 00:46:16,740
node address.

1174
00:46:16,940 --> 00:46:17,720
That's for key send.

1175
00:46:18,220 --> 00:46:19,660
And then you have Ellen address.

1176
00:46:20,060 --> 00:46:21,980
And so the full documentation for the Ellen

1177
00:46:21,980 --> 00:46:25,820
address is it shows what's supposed to be

1178
00:46:25,820 --> 00:46:28,320
there in the response.

1179
00:46:29,100 --> 00:46:31,280
And people, people are asking in the boardroom,

1180
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:32,820
well, you know, what, what do you need?

1181
00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:33,980
Does he have to have Ellen bits?

1182
00:46:33,980 --> 00:46:35,360
No, I just used Ellen bits as an

1183
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,820
example because it supports Ellen URL.

1184
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,360
Strike wallet, just to keep it simple.

1185
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,680
You can use all, there's all kinds of

1186
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,600
solutions, but you can use your breeze wallet.

1187
00:46:45,780 --> 00:46:47,440
I mean, that, that accepts it too.

1188
00:46:47,500 --> 00:46:49,160
You can send from strike to breeze just

1189
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,480
by using your your breeze Ellen address.

1190
00:46:53,820 --> 00:46:55,160
That all works flawlessly.

1191
00:46:55,780 --> 00:46:57,900
I think the answer to your question is

1192
00:46:57,900 --> 00:46:59,640
you're going to have to choose one or

1193
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:00,100
the other.

1194
00:47:00,100 --> 00:47:00,620
Okay.

1195
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,260
But, but see, that's, that's in the RSS

1196
00:47:05,260 --> 00:47:08,460
feed because you just have to make, you

1197
00:47:08,460 --> 00:47:09,540
just have to choose one or the other

1198
00:47:09,540 --> 00:47:11,780
in the feed, because once you switch to

1199
00:47:11,780 --> 00:47:16,100
Ellen to Ellen address as the type, then

1200
00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:19,720
when you're, when you're Ellen URL excuse me,

1201
00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:20,940
when you start, when you do the dot

1202
00:47:20,940 --> 00:47:25,560
well-known lookup, the dot well-known lookup

1203
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,580
can include key send data.

1204
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,680
So what you're doing is you're, you're, you're,

1205
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,320
you're sort of, this is why it was

1206
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:34,780
confusing a while ago when I tried to

1207
00:47:34,780 --> 00:47:38,820
explain it, when you, you're abstracting the payment

1208
00:47:38,820 --> 00:47:42,540
methods from the recipient's address.

1209
00:47:43,420 --> 00:47:44,040
Got it.

1210
00:47:44,220 --> 00:47:46,280
So, so you're, you're going to do, you

1211
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,000
know, if you have, let me go back

1212
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:52,340
over to this example page from Oscar, he's

1213
00:47:52,340 --> 00:47:54,820
got type equals Ellen address and address equals

1214
00:47:54,820 --> 00:47:58,000
boost bot at fountain.fm. So he's going

1215
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,520
to do a lookup for the dot well

1216
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,340
-known of boost bot at fountain.fm. When

1217
00:48:04,340 --> 00:48:07,100
it returned, when he gets the return information

1218
00:48:07,100 --> 00:48:10,540
for that address, it can include bolt 11

1219
00:48:10,540 --> 00:48:10,920
keys.

1220
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:12,000
Right.

1221
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:12,700
Right.

1222
00:48:12,740 --> 00:48:12,840
Right.

1223
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:13,260
Okay.

1224
00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:18,240
So the question is, is it easier for

1225
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:21,000
every, for the apps to retool to Ellen

1226
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:26,640
address and not necessarily, I guess it doesn't

1227
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,280
make any difference because they have to resolve

1228
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:28,760
that anyway.

1229
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:29,100
Right.

1230
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,580
The, the dot well-known.

1231
00:48:31,820 --> 00:48:32,020
Yeah.

1232
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,620
But see, I don't control the dot well

1233
00:48:33,620 --> 00:48:35,020
-known for my strike wallet.

1234
00:48:35,020 --> 00:48:41,600
But you don't, but you don't have, you

1235
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,200
don't have to.

1236
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,600
But I mean, that's the receiver.

1237
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,220
Are you talking about if you switch to

1238
00:48:50,220 --> 00:48:52,160
using strike as the receiving entity?

1239
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,400
No, if I'm the receiver and there's going

1240
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,840
to be people who use two apps that

1241
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,060
have this built in that, that understand how

1242
00:49:02,060 --> 00:49:03,360
to connect to strike.

1243
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:04,520
I'm just using that as an example.

1244
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:05,420
Can be many, many others.

1245
00:49:07,220 --> 00:49:10,160
And so that will be sending to whatever

1246
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:15,820
my, wherever my Ellen, Ellen addresses, but I

1247
00:49:15,820 --> 00:49:19,340
have to control that Ellen address information to

1248
00:49:19,340 --> 00:49:21,540
put in alternative methods.

1249
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:24,180
Right.

1250
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,900
And you're talking about using, you're talking about

1251
00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:30,260
using fountain, excuse me, using strike.

1252
00:49:30,420 --> 00:49:31,920
No, no, it doesn't matter.

1253
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,580
Well, okay.

1254
00:49:34,740 --> 00:49:37,520
Using strike for the receiving end.

1255
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,320
I cannot control what's in the, in the

1256
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:42,500
Ellen address information.

1257
00:49:42,500 --> 00:49:46,120
It's not going to, it can't even receive

1258
00:49:47,490 --> 00:49:48,750
keysend.

1259
00:49:48,830 --> 00:49:50,170
They can't receive keysend.

1260
00:49:50,290 --> 00:49:52,810
So somewhere I need the entity to create

1261
00:49:52,810 --> 00:49:56,630
my Ellen address and the information that's, that's

1262
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:57,710
contained in it.

1263
00:49:59,690 --> 00:50:00,130
Right.

1264
00:50:00,310 --> 00:50:05,630
And so for, for like for strike, let's

1265
00:50:05,630 --> 00:50:07,190
say you're a podcaster and you want to

1266
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:10,570
receive payments at your strike address and you

1267
00:50:10,570 --> 00:50:12,090
would put a split in for yourself and

1268
00:50:12,090 --> 00:50:13,990
just do Ellen address and your name is

1269
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:14,210
strike.

1270
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:14,830
Right.

1271
00:50:14,970 --> 00:50:15,210
Right.

1272
00:50:15,350 --> 00:50:15,470
Right.

1273
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:17,190
And that's going to have a dot well

1274
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:19,690
-known response that will provide an Ellen URL

1275
00:50:19,690 --> 00:50:20,470
payment method.

1276
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:20,850
Right.

1277
00:50:21,070 --> 00:50:23,130
But it would be silly for me to

1278
00:50:23,130 --> 00:50:25,030
use that right at this moment, because I

1279
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:26,670
would miss out on apps that are still

1280
00:50:26,670 --> 00:50:27,630
using keysend.

1281
00:50:29,070 --> 00:50:29,590
Yeah.

1282
00:50:29,710 --> 00:50:31,350
Until, until January.

1283
00:50:32,530 --> 00:50:34,050
What happens in January?

1284
00:50:34,690 --> 00:50:36,530
I mean, that's when Albie apocalypse happens.

1285
00:50:37,930 --> 00:50:38,450
What?

1286
00:50:38,510 --> 00:50:39,350
I have my own note.

1287
00:50:39,830 --> 00:50:41,050
That's my point.

1288
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:42,890
But nobody can send you, but nobody can

1289
00:50:42,890 --> 00:50:45,170
send you anything after that, except people on.

1290
00:50:45,370 --> 00:50:47,390
So here's, here's the landscape.

1291
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:54,490
The landscape on January the 26th keys, keysend

1292
00:50:54,490 --> 00:50:58,210
basically goes away from our universe pretty much.

1293
00:50:58,690 --> 00:51:00,850
The landscape is going to change.

1294
00:51:00,890 --> 00:51:02,170
And what you're going to be left with

1295
00:51:02,170 --> 00:51:04,350
is you're going to be left with, with

1296
00:51:04,350 --> 00:51:10,250
fountain breeze and nothing else.

1297
00:51:11,830 --> 00:51:15,430
When, and so fountain understands how to pay,

1298
00:51:15,490 --> 00:51:16,570
how to pay this already.

1299
00:51:17,310 --> 00:51:19,890
So if you switch, if you switch this

1300
00:51:19,890 --> 00:51:23,490
information, then you're not going to lose anything

1301
00:51:23,490 --> 00:51:26,710
for through fountain because fountain already supports it.

1302
00:51:27,110 --> 00:51:27,250
Right.

1303
00:51:27,390 --> 00:51:27,870
Got it.

1304
00:51:27,930 --> 00:51:30,130
So then anybody who, any apps that are

1305
00:51:30,130 --> 00:51:32,870
retooling at that point, they're going to read,

1306
00:51:32,990 --> 00:51:35,130
they will retool to support bolt 11.

1307
00:51:36,250 --> 00:51:39,830
So switching to Ellen address is going, you're

1308
00:51:39,830 --> 00:51:41,210
not going to lose anything because you weren't

1309
00:51:41,210 --> 00:51:41,850
going to get anything.

1310
00:51:41,850 --> 00:51:42,090
Anyway.

1311
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:42,810
Got it.

1312
00:51:42,970 --> 00:51:43,430
Got it.

1313
00:51:43,470 --> 00:51:43,790
Got it.

1314
00:51:43,810 --> 00:51:44,250
Got it.

1315
00:51:44,670 --> 00:51:45,070
Okay.

1316
00:51:45,730 --> 00:51:49,630
So now the question is, can we convince

1317
00:51:49,630 --> 00:51:50,910
everybody to retool?

1318
00:51:53,140 --> 00:51:54,300
I don't know.

1319
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:58,780
All right.

1320
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,440
I hope so too.

1321
00:52:01,820 --> 00:52:03,980
I mean, because lightning is still the only

1322
00:52:03,980 --> 00:52:06,980
way to do what we do micropayments.

1323
00:52:07,060 --> 00:52:09,940
So, um, I mean, on that tip, on

1324
00:52:09,940 --> 00:52:12,800
that tip in a decentralized way, I know

1325
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,040
other people are doing it in, but in

1326
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,480
a, in a truly decentralized way where we're

1327
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,720
not dependent with the lowest fees, with the

1328
00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:21,800
lowest fees possible for micropayments.

1329
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,280
This is, this is the big part, right?

1330
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,920
You can't, you can't send 50 sats value

1331
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,980
with your visa card or your Apple, right?

1332
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,460
Like, like true, true fans is doing is

1333
00:52:31,460 --> 00:52:33,280
doing their thing, but they're, that's within true

1334
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:34,180
fans is ecosystem.

1335
00:52:34,220 --> 00:52:36,740
That's, you know, that he's, they've got virtual

1336
00:52:36,740 --> 00:52:37,800
wallets and these kinds of things.

1337
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:42,120
I'm just talking about cross app, decentralized, agnostic

1338
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:43,380
lightning stuff.

1339
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:45,700
This is the only way to do that.

1340
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:46,140
Yes.

1341
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,200
Um, how hard will this be for developers

1342
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:55,120
who are currently using the Albi API to

1343
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:59,880
retool to strike or others?

1344
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,560
So that's where that's going to be the

1345
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:04,260
next question.

1346
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:05,740
That's why I asked that.

1347
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:08,360
I nailed it.

1348
00:53:09,140 --> 00:53:09,800
Oh yeah, you did.

1349
00:53:09,940 --> 00:53:10,320
That's yeah.

1350
00:53:10,380 --> 00:53:12,280
I just restated what you, what you just

1351
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:12,520
did.

1352
00:53:12,660 --> 00:53:12,760
Yeah.

1353
00:53:14,220 --> 00:53:15,780
Um, I shouldn't have said that's going to

1354
00:53:15,780 --> 00:53:16,300
be the next one.

1355
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,060
I should have said that is correct.

1356
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:19,240
That's the next question.

1357
00:53:20,340 --> 00:53:22,020
Let me say this about that.

1358
00:53:22,140 --> 00:53:22,720
Please do.

1359
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:25,880
I, uh, let's see.

1360
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:32,300
So Franco reached out, uh, Castamatic and he

1361
00:53:32,300 --> 00:53:33,960
was like, you know, I'm, I'm looking at

1362
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:38,520
strikes API, but there's a small problem.

1363
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,100
A strike is not available in Italy.

1364
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:41,040
Right.

1365
00:53:41,380 --> 00:53:41,760
Right.

1366
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:46,060
And so I'm like, uh, you know, supposedly

1367
00:53:46,060 --> 00:53:47,940
they had this big strike, you know, big

1368
00:53:47,940 --> 00:53:48,840
launch in Europe.

1369
00:53:50,380 --> 00:53:52,500
Uh, was it like a year ago or

1370
00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:53,800
I don't know how many months ago?

1371
00:53:54,180 --> 00:53:56,840
Well, evidently Italy's not part of Europe because

1372
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,340
no, no, no, no, of course not.

1373
00:54:00,540 --> 00:54:01,640
Um, so I don't know.

1374
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,240
I mean, this is, these are, this is

1375
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:04,800
a question I don't know at this point.

1376
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,960
Um, and there's, we've also got the thing

1377
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,280
I haven't been able to get to yet

1378
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,760
is, you know, Zebedee.

1379
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,440
Zebedee is also an option and they, they,

1380
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:17,240
that may come in and then we've, you've

1381
00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:18,580
got this universal money thing.

1382
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:23,270
I don't, I don't know the answer to

1383
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:23,850
these questions.

1384
00:54:24,590 --> 00:54:27,950
Um, that's, that's the part I don't fully

1385
00:54:27,950 --> 00:54:29,250
understand how to address yet.

1386
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:33,830
I'm hoping that maybe we can, um, maybe

1387
00:54:33,830 --> 00:54:35,650
we can talk about it with Oscar a

1388
00:54:35,650 --> 00:54:36,510
little bit next week.

1389
00:54:37,810 --> 00:54:38,890
Let's see.

1390
00:54:39,490 --> 00:54:42,650
I wonder if cash app has a lightning

1391
00:54:42,650 --> 00:54:43,250
API.

1392
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,560
I know they have a Bitcoin.

1393
00:54:49,460 --> 00:54:51,060
I know you can access the Bitcoin part

1394
00:54:51,060 --> 00:54:51,740
through their API.

1395
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,520
I don't know that it's specific.

1396
00:54:53,780 --> 00:54:56,680
I don't know about the lightning thing.

1397
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:57,800
I'm not sure.

1398
00:54:58,020 --> 00:54:59,900
I did pull up their documentation the other

1399
00:54:59,900 --> 00:55:04,020
day because when I had already cloned a

1400
00:55:04,020 --> 00:55:05,480
skeleton app and I was about to start

1401
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,140
coding when Oscar literally sent me an email

1402
00:55:08,140 --> 00:55:09,760
and was like, Hey, I've got this thing

1403
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:10,060
done.

1404
00:55:10,100 --> 00:55:11,220
I was like, Oh, beautiful.

1405
00:55:11,300 --> 00:55:11,920
God bless you.

1406
00:55:12,020 --> 00:55:12,240
Yeah.

1407
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:13,080
Hey, man.

1408
00:55:14,140 --> 00:55:18,420
Um, so I don't, I don't specifically know

1409
00:55:18,420 --> 00:55:24,160
about that, but, um, this, uh, I think,

1410
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:25,180
I think we're just going to have to

1411
00:55:25,180 --> 00:55:25,900
work through it.

1412
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:27,300
We're just gonna have to work through it.

1413
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,320
I mean, and that's, that's the thing is

1414
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,320
that's why I started this by saying that

1415
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,000
I think we're going to ultimately be in

1416
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,260
a healthier place.

1417
00:55:37,580 --> 00:55:40,960
Um, when all this sort of torrent turmoil

1418
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:50,320
levels out because, um, at the end, you

1419
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,000
know, at the end of all this, what

1420
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,740
we're going to be left with is different

1421
00:55:54,740 --> 00:55:56,960
people doing different things with different APIs.

1422
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:02,380
And that's better because everybody's not just hitched

1423
00:56:02,380 --> 00:56:03,120
to the same right.

1424
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:04,260
Completely agree.

1425
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:05,260
Completely agree.

1426
00:56:05,660 --> 00:56:07,740
It's going to be messier for sure.

1427
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:08,340
For sure.

1428
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:09,280
It's going to be messier.

1429
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,680
Um, but messy is, is kind of, uh,

1430
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,720
an advantage when it comes to open source.

1431
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,240
Um, now there's a sticker, there's a t

1432
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:18,900
-shirt too.

1433
00:56:20,020 --> 00:56:22,600
Messier is better with opens open sources.

1434
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:23,620
Do it messier.

1435
00:56:24,660 --> 00:56:29,880
Messy is our advantage, but you know that

1436
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:34,000
that's so like, uh, take, take Jupiter broadcasting.

1437
00:56:34,100 --> 00:56:34,340
Okay.

1438
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:39,060
A show like Coda radio right now, they,

1439
00:56:39,340 --> 00:56:43,000
uh, like going forward, they're going to, they're

1440
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,520
going to lose any listeners that were not

1441
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:46,420
on fountain.

1442
00:56:46,580 --> 00:56:47,860
That's going to be our breeze.

1443
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,880
That's going to be the immediate consequence, but

1444
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,240
a large part of their user base, their

1445
00:56:53,240 --> 00:56:54,480
listener base is on fountain.

1446
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:55,960
And that will just continue to work.

1447
00:56:56,300 --> 00:56:56,400
Right.

1448
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:58,260
They're not going to, they're still going to

1449
00:56:58,260 --> 00:56:59,040
be streaming sass.

1450
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:00,280
They're still going to be getting boosts.

1451
00:57:00,300 --> 00:57:01,540
Like, this is just not going to be

1452
00:57:01,540 --> 00:57:03,940
a problem for them.

1453
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:07,920
Um, so that's interesting, uh, chicken and the

1454
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:08,780
egg problem here.

1455
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:12,640
Very interesting.

1456
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:15,580
Cause you're going, you're going to get, uh,

1457
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:17,280
you know, at a certain point, you're going

1458
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,320
to get bigger publishers who say, okay, I'm

1459
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,000
using Ellen address and here we go.

1460
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,340
And then apps will fail if, if they're,

1461
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,140
well, as you pointed out, apps will start

1462
00:57:26,140 --> 00:57:28,280
failing, uh, in January anyway.

1463
00:57:28,900 --> 00:57:29,340
Anyway.

1464
00:57:29,580 --> 00:57:31,760
Yeah, that's we're all, we're all, we're all

1465
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:32,640
in the same.

1466
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:33,480
I use Castamatic.

1467
00:57:33,620 --> 00:57:36,100
It's my daily driver and Castamatic is hooked

1468
00:57:36,100 --> 00:57:37,600
to Albie and that will stop working.

1469
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,400
And it's just not going to work after,

1470
00:57:40,540 --> 00:57:42,060
after that January drive day.

1471
00:57:42,220 --> 00:57:45,300
So I either at that point have to

1472
00:57:45,300 --> 00:57:48,740
switch to a different app to pay or,

1473
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:52,160
um, Franco, you know, comes up with a

1474
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:52,560
solution.

1475
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,000
And well, there are definitely, I'll be like

1476
00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:00,180
solutions for, uh, for Franco, but not strike

1477
00:58:00,180 --> 00:58:01,020
like solutions.

1478
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,240
So they are, what's the, uh, what are

1479
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,740
all the, uh, boardroom?

1480
00:58:05,860 --> 00:58:06,780
Someone sent me this.

1481
00:58:06,780 --> 00:58:09,520
What are all of the, um, the Nostra

1482
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,040
clients moving towards?

1483
00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:14,860
Like, is it open coin or something?

1484
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:17,480
I don't know.

1485
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:19,720
I think it's not open coin.

1486
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:25,360
There was something that people were gravitating towards.

1487
00:58:26,500 --> 00:58:27,880
Can't really remember.

1488
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,100
Um, but they're having the same problem.

1489
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,260
Nostra has exactly the same problem, but they

1490
00:58:35,260 --> 00:58:36,780
already use LN address.

1491
00:58:38,260 --> 00:58:38,900
Don't they?

1492
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:39,180
Yeah.

1493
00:58:39,180 --> 00:58:41,280
It was, yeah, it was built on LN

1494
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:42,340
URL to begin with.

1495
00:58:42,740 --> 00:58:43,200
Right.

1496
00:58:44,020 --> 00:58:47,240
And, um, I still think key send to

1497
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:47,660
superior.

1498
00:58:48,500 --> 00:58:49,260
I'm sorry.

1499
00:58:49,340 --> 00:58:49,820
I just do.

1500
00:58:50,420 --> 00:58:54,080
Um, I don't see, I have, I still

1501
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,480
have a fundamental problem with having to get

1502
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,660
the receiver to invoice you before you can

1503
00:58:58,660 --> 00:58:59,080
pay them.

1504
00:58:59,180 --> 00:59:03,040
I think that's just a terrible design, but

1505
00:59:04,420 --> 00:59:05,500
it's what we have.

1506
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,740
So, um, you know, we gotta, we gotta

1507
00:59:07,740 --> 00:59:08,560
figure that out.

1508
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:12,800
CoinOS, coinOS.io. What is that?

1509
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,200
That's the, that's what the Nostra people are

1510
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:16,180
moving towards.

1511
00:59:16,500 --> 00:59:17,580
But what is it?

1512
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,060
It's a lightning system, a wallet system.

1513
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:22,720
CoinOS.

1514
00:59:23,180 --> 00:59:23,720
Yeah.

1515
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,580
CoinOS.io. CoinOS.

1516
00:59:26,700 --> 00:59:27,200
CoinOS.

1517
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,520
Um, their website is a blank black page.

1518
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:31,000
Okay.

1519
00:59:32,740 --> 00:59:34,080
Something popped up for me.

1520
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,140
I don't know why you're getting a blank

1521
00:59:36,140 --> 00:59:36,240
page.

1522
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:37,480
Oh, well, it just took a long time.

1523
00:59:38,300 --> 00:59:40,240
The whole boardroom went to it.

1524
00:59:40,460 --> 00:59:40,880
That's why.

1525
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:42,560
Oh, okay.

1526
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:44,900
Easiest way to get started with Bitcoin, a

1527
00:59:44,900 --> 00:59:46,780
free web wallet and payment page.

1528
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,580
Well, you know, I mean, that's, there you

1529
00:59:50,580 --> 00:59:50,740
go.

1530
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:51,920
I mean, that's the, see, that's the thing

1531
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,400
is, is there's going to be, there's going

1532
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,240
to be all these, there's these different solutions.

1533
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:56,960
Yeah.

1534
00:59:57,420 --> 00:59:58,500
And that's better.

1535
00:59:59,120 --> 00:59:59,440
Yes.

1536
01:00:01,580 --> 01:00:04,440
CoinOS may, you know, CoinOS may last for

1537
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,100
a couple of years.

1538
01:00:06,260 --> 01:00:06,820
You never know.

1539
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,540
And then go belly up, you know, or,

1540
01:00:09,540 --> 01:00:10,920
or switch or who knows.

1541
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,460
And then, you know, but I don't know,

1542
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,180
I feel better if you're, if you're in

1543
01:00:16,180 --> 01:00:18,940
a location that can handle something like strike

1544
01:00:18,940 --> 01:00:20,840
or cash app, I feel better about that

1545
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,720
because those are larger invested companies.

1546
01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:29,180
They, they just have a, they have a

1547
01:00:29,180 --> 01:00:32,520
stability or if you're, if you're going to,

1548
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,360
or if you're hosting your own, that's your,

1549
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:35,100
that's your options.

1550
01:00:35,660 --> 01:00:35,980
And yeah.

1551
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:37,940
Well, we, we do have a bit of

1552
01:00:37,940 --> 01:00:41,460
a sub thread running through all of this,

1553
01:00:41,500 --> 01:00:45,520
which is the sovereign group who, I already

1554
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,400
see it in the, in the boardroom who

1555
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,620
hate the fact that we're involving big companies,

1556
01:00:49,740 --> 01:00:50,200
hate this.

1557
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,000
It's not the Bitcoin ethos, but as you

1558
01:00:53,000 --> 01:01:00,000
pointed out, the New York Times and the

1559
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,840
Bloomberg, they will not be happy that we

1560
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:09,540
put the, we put the, they put the

1561
01:01:09,540 --> 01:01:11,780
financial marketing underwriters under the portfolio of, you

1562
01:01:11,780 --> 01:01:12,380
know, the sovereign group.

1563
01:01:12,380 --> 01:01:12,640
And they say, look, we're, we're just investing

1564
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:12,740
in Bitcoin.

1565
01:01:12,740 --> 01:01:12,840
We don't want to imposition.

1566
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:13,800
And they say, well, like, oh, I'm sure

1567
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:13,900
you're right there, but we're just going

1568
01:01:13,900 --> 01:01:17,440
to put these guys in because they're going

1569
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:17,540
to pay the price for it.

1570
01:01:17,540 --> 01:01:25,360
And then I said, well, give them strike

1571
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,720
wallet and say, this is it.

1572
01:01:27,900 --> 01:01:30,660
You connect it to your financial world in

1573
01:01:30,660 --> 01:01:33,300
these in these ways, and then you just

1574
01:01:33,300 --> 01:01:34,860
connect it to your podcast app.

1575
01:01:35,260 --> 01:01:38,740
They will be delighted because that that two

1576
01:01:38,740 --> 01:01:42,440
step process that that you mentioned, that has

1577
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:44,660
always been a huge detractor.

1578
01:01:47,490 --> 01:01:48,070
Yeah, it is.

1579
01:01:48,090 --> 01:01:48,410
It is.

1580
01:01:48,690 --> 01:01:50,190
It's not just a detractor.

1581
01:01:50,230 --> 01:01:51,390
It's hard to explain.

1582
01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:52,870
Yeah.

1583
01:01:53,170 --> 01:01:54,650
You're like, why am I doing this again?

1584
01:01:55,350 --> 01:01:57,930
You don't because it's just it's just such

1585
01:01:57,930 --> 01:01:59,210
a foreign experience.

1586
01:01:59,210 --> 01:02:03,090
You know, it's not how anything else works.

1587
01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:04,750
And so that's always been this kind of

1588
01:02:04,750 --> 01:02:05,830
weird thing.

1589
01:02:05,970 --> 01:02:08,210
And and also in the background of all

1590
01:02:08,210 --> 01:02:10,650
this is in another thing I want to

1591
01:02:10,650 --> 01:02:12,490
talk to Oscar about next week is is

1592
01:02:12,490 --> 01:02:13,230
L4O2.

1593
01:02:14,090 --> 01:02:14,610
Yes.

1594
01:02:15,330 --> 01:02:17,410
So, I mean, that's that's also a thing

1595
01:02:17,410 --> 01:02:21,130
that we're talking that Russell has finalized the

1596
01:02:21,130 --> 01:02:21,750
spec for.

1597
01:02:21,750 --> 01:02:24,230
And I finally got time, you know, I

1598
01:02:24,230 --> 01:02:25,490
got time to read over it this week

1599
01:02:25,490 --> 01:02:26,210
and it looks great.

1600
01:02:26,670 --> 01:02:31,450
So I think that and and.

1601
01:02:32,290 --> 01:02:34,030
We can do funding tag work.

1602
01:02:34,330 --> 01:02:35,590
You know, we can we can make the

1603
01:02:35,590 --> 01:02:37,890
funding tag support like a Bolt 11 invoice

1604
01:02:37,890 --> 01:02:38,350
or whatever.

1605
01:02:38,690 --> 01:02:39,390
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1606
01:02:40,570 --> 01:02:43,530
And so I want to express my deep,

1607
01:02:43,710 --> 01:02:45,890
deep gratitude towards Oscar for doing this.

1608
01:02:45,930 --> 01:02:47,070
He didn't have to do this.

1609
01:02:47,630 --> 01:02:51,690
It's actually creating competition for him, which I

1610
01:02:51,690 --> 01:02:55,770
think is just so 2.0 of him

1611
01:02:55,770 --> 01:02:57,130
to say, you know what?

1612
01:02:57,350 --> 01:03:00,110
I need to help everybody and get everybody

1613
01:03:00,110 --> 01:03:01,270
back on track.

1614
01:03:01,330 --> 01:03:02,850
And, you know, we explain that if it's

1615
01:03:02,850 --> 01:03:04,370
just if it's just fountain, you know, we

1616
01:03:04,370 --> 01:03:06,870
don't really have much of a of an

1617
01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:07,430
ecosystem.

1618
01:03:08,110 --> 01:03:10,010
And so for him to do that and

1619
01:03:10,010 --> 01:03:12,250
it was just time for him.

1620
01:03:12,350 --> 01:03:13,270
No one else did this.

1621
01:03:13,310 --> 01:03:13,750
No one.

1622
01:03:14,670 --> 01:03:15,130
No one.

1623
01:03:15,390 --> 01:03:18,050
A lot of complaining, a lot of Albi

1624
01:03:18,050 --> 01:03:18,590
bashing.

1625
01:03:18,590 --> 01:03:20,030
But no one stepped up.

1626
01:03:20,070 --> 01:03:21,730
And so I really appreciate that.

1627
01:03:21,890 --> 01:03:24,150
And I'm I am delighted and I can't

1628
01:03:24,150 --> 01:03:26,510
wait for it to be implemented because I

1629
01:03:26,510 --> 01:03:29,270
want to I want funds to be flowing.

1630
01:03:29,930 --> 01:03:33,710
And hey, if you if if you're one

1631
01:03:33,710 --> 01:03:36,490
of the apps that I use, podcast guru,

1632
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:39,390
if you think you need a certain percentage

1633
01:03:39,970 --> 01:03:41,850
for the extra work you did, go at

1634
01:03:41,850 --> 01:03:43,570
it at a fee.

1635
01:03:43,610 --> 01:03:45,030
I'm happy to pay it.

1636
01:03:45,230 --> 01:03:46,210
Happy, delighted.

1637
01:03:47,150 --> 01:03:49,050
If you need me to pay something, huh?

1638
01:03:49,610 --> 01:03:51,930
Well, it's not also let's not forget Wavelake

1639
01:03:51,930 --> 01:03:53,050
is out there, too, as well.

1640
01:03:53,210 --> 01:03:53,690
Absolutely.

1641
01:03:54,190 --> 01:03:55,010
With their app.

1642
01:03:55,250 --> 01:03:55,350
Yep.

1643
01:03:56,070 --> 01:03:58,990
And so there's an there's a there's a

1644
01:03:58,990 --> 01:03:59,590
thing in there.

1645
01:03:59,970 --> 01:04:02,090
It's not like everything falls apart.

1646
01:04:02,330 --> 01:04:06,090
The problem is everybody outside of the sort

1647
01:04:06,090 --> 01:04:08,530
of everybody outside of the.

1648
01:04:09,870 --> 01:04:11,310
Of the sovereign.

1649
01:04:13,730 --> 01:04:16,990
And which everybody outside of the sovereign world

1650
01:04:16,990 --> 01:04:18,110
slash.

1651
01:04:19,830 --> 01:04:21,910
Zebedee Fountain Wavelake world.

1652
01:04:23,330 --> 01:04:24,690
They're the ones that are going to have

1653
01:04:24,690 --> 01:04:26,830
where we're all the ones that are going

1654
01:04:26,830 --> 01:04:28,090
to have to try to figure out some

1655
01:04:28,090 --> 01:04:29,710
different solutions, which is those things, which is

1656
01:04:29,710 --> 01:04:30,450
where the growth is.

1657
01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:31,850
And that's where the growth is.

1658
01:04:31,890 --> 01:04:34,230
The growth is in getting more people in.

1659
01:04:34,930 --> 01:04:38,070
And my recommendation is get them in, get

1660
01:04:38,070 --> 01:04:38,930
them using it.

1661
01:04:39,390 --> 01:04:40,670
Then orange pill them.

1662
01:04:40,670 --> 01:04:43,670
And not the other way around.

1663
01:04:44,470 --> 01:04:46,830
It's been a crazy it's been a crazy

1664
01:04:46,830 --> 01:04:50,250
thing to see Bitcoin like tickling one hundred

1665
01:04:50,250 --> 01:04:50,710
thousand.

1666
01:04:52,210 --> 01:04:52,670
The.

1667
01:04:54,050 --> 01:04:54,590
Like.

1668
01:04:55,610 --> 01:05:00,150
People don't understand deflationary money.

1669
01:05:00,350 --> 01:05:02,810
I think it's just such a an odd

1670
01:05:02,810 --> 01:05:04,670
thing that we're not that none of us

1671
01:05:04,670 --> 01:05:05,250
are used to.

1672
01:05:06,510 --> 01:05:09,330
That we're we're used to.

1673
01:05:11,770 --> 01:05:15,070
We're used to the same product costing you

1674
01:05:15,070 --> 01:05:17,930
more over time out of, you know, outside

1675
01:05:17,930 --> 01:05:20,030
of technology, which has been deflationary.

1676
01:05:20,090 --> 01:05:21,410
But that's really leveled off to.

1677
01:05:22,690 --> 01:05:24,870
Technology is really no longer deflationary.

1678
01:05:25,050 --> 01:05:27,290
It's more kind of steady state at this

1679
01:05:27,290 --> 01:05:27,550
point.

1680
01:05:27,630 --> 01:05:28,430
Except for AI.

1681
01:05:29,030 --> 01:05:30,010
That's inflationary.

1682
01:05:30,270 --> 01:05:31,070
That's inflationary.

1683
01:05:31,170 --> 01:05:33,070
But as far as like looking at your,

1684
01:05:33,890 --> 01:05:36,550
you know, everybody just knows that holding cash

1685
01:05:36,550 --> 01:05:39,630
for a decade is a losing proposition.

1686
01:05:40,670 --> 01:05:43,570
But the the idea of the money being

1687
01:05:43,570 --> 01:05:47,010
deflationary where, you know, if you if you

1688
01:05:47,010 --> 01:05:49,850
started take if you started accepting streaming sats

1689
01:05:49,850 --> 01:05:52,390
on your podcast to two and a half

1690
01:05:52,390 --> 01:05:54,310
years ago, and let's say over time you

1691
01:05:54,310 --> 01:05:57,170
made five grand in US dollars terms.

1692
01:05:59,030 --> 01:06:01,170
In if you look at your wallet now

1693
01:06:01,170 --> 01:06:02,390
and you didn't get rid of that, you

1694
01:06:02,390 --> 01:06:03,230
just held on to it.

1695
01:06:03,490 --> 01:06:05,570
You've got twenty five or thirty thousand dollars.

1696
01:06:05,790 --> 01:06:06,490
Yes, sir.

1697
01:06:07,310 --> 01:06:10,650
And now you keep if if Bitcoin continues

1698
01:06:10,650 --> 01:06:13,790
to climb over, you hold it for another

1699
01:06:13,790 --> 01:06:15,290
year, you may be you may be looking

1700
01:06:15,290 --> 01:06:17,610
at new car or down payment on a

1701
01:06:17,610 --> 01:06:18,510
house type money.

1702
01:06:19,590 --> 01:06:21,970
If I can add one other extra thing,

1703
01:06:22,450 --> 01:06:25,610
I believe I think I have not put

1704
01:06:25,610 --> 01:06:27,190
this to the test yet, but I believe

1705
01:06:27,190 --> 01:06:30,490
with the strike wallet, I can convince J

1706
01:06:30,490 --> 01:06:33,930
.C.D. to accept lightning payments, meaning we

1707
01:06:33,930 --> 01:06:35,390
can promote it on the show as a

1708
01:06:35,390 --> 01:06:36,550
way to support no agenda.

1709
01:06:37,190 --> 01:06:38,790
You think that would make a difference?

1710
01:06:40,490 --> 01:06:42,450
Yeah, I think it would make a huge

1711
01:06:42,450 --> 01:06:43,010
difference.

1712
01:06:43,690 --> 01:06:44,330
For sure.

1713
01:06:44,470 --> 01:06:49,290
And that's maybe maybe this show and a

1714
01:06:49,290 --> 01:06:51,710
couple of maybe this show and no agenda

1715
01:06:51,710 --> 01:06:53,690
if we if we can put them all

1716
01:06:53,690 --> 01:06:57,110
together as as sort of flip overs where

1717
01:06:57,110 --> 01:07:01,650
we convert to Ellen address and really go

1718
01:07:01,650 --> 01:07:05,710
with the new format that may really help

1719
01:07:05,710 --> 01:07:08,090
to have those have us driving that.

1720
01:07:08,930 --> 01:07:09,030
Yeah.

1721
01:07:10,170 --> 01:07:12,150
You know, because that gives everybody something to

1722
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:14,490
test against and all of that.

1723
01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:17,590
And because, you know, nobody else has to

1724
01:07:17,590 --> 01:07:22,150
change their show necessarily.

1725
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:27,660
I'm thinking all this through in real time.

1726
01:07:27,780 --> 01:07:30,040
Well, here's I can in real time, I

1727
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:31,360
can tell you one thing that we're going

1728
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,580
to have to figure out the information sent

1729
01:07:34,580 --> 01:07:35,900
in TLV records.

1730
01:07:36,940 --> 01:07:41,380
So when someone if someone boosts our show

1731
01:07:41,380 --> 01:07:44,020
and Eric, I see your eyes rolling up

1732
01:07:44,020 --> 01:07:46,500
in your head when someone boosts our show,

1733
01:07:46,740 --> 01:07:50,360
I need to know what the full amount

1734
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:51,780
was before the splits.

1735
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,180
And I don't currently I don't think that

1736
01:07:55,180 --> 01:07:58,520
that's not something I'm going to receive with

1737
01:07:58,520 --> 01:07:59,940
the Ellen URL method.

1738
01:08:01,220 --> 01:08:01,680
Yeah.

1739
01:08:01,820 --> 01:08:04,680
And I think, yeah, we'll probably get into

1740
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:06,380
that next week with Oscar.

1741
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:06,900
That's good.

1742
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:08,720
Those are the good technical details to get

1743
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:10,480
into so we can pave the way forward.

1744
01:08:11,540 --> 01:08:14,080
Because we that's the point at which we

1745
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,319
probably needed to see this is all long

1746
01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:17,279
time coming stuff.

1747
01:08:17,420 --> 01:08:17,660
Yep.

1748
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,800
That was we've we always have known that

1749
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,600
we've needed to divorce the metadata in the

1750
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,180
payment proofs from the payment.

1751
01:08:25,340 --> 01:08:25,500
Yeah.

1752
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:30,220
Because inlining it inside the payment envelope was

1753
01:08:30,220 --> 01:08:33,060
was always that's how you get spoofing.

1754
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:33,700
Yeah.

1755
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:36,479
So all of this is just the time

1756
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:37,840
to fix all of this stuff.

1757
01:08:39,220 --> 01:08:40,560
Well, yeah, it really is.

1758
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:41,420
We have two months.

1759
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:44,080
Go, go, go.

1760
01:08:44,580 --> 01:08:50,060
I will say having onboarded an artist in

1761
01:08:50,060 --> 01:08:52,359
this past month and with onboarded, I mean,

1762
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:55,740
hey, Costello's, take care of this girl, will

1763
01:08:55,740 --> 01:08:55,840
you?

1764
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:57,899
That's that's how my onboarding works.

1765
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,779
Suzanne Santo, who is, you know, she's had

1766
01:09:01,779 --> 01:09:02,720
a record label.

1767
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:04,000
She tours.

1768
01:09:04,220 --> 01:09:05,560
She does lots of gigs.

1769
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:08,340
She's a buddy of mine.

1770
01:09:08,859 --> 01:09:11,200
She's her husband is Nick Pizzolatto.

1771
01:09:11,979 --> 01:09:14,800
He's a pretty well-known producer.

1772
01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:20,380
He did True Detective, concepted it, wrote it,

1773
01:09:20,540 --> 01:09:22,020
directed it, all three series.

1774
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:24,479
He's doing movies and all kinds of other

1775
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:24,760
stuff.

1776
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,279
And she really believes in the music.

1777
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,439
And so I, I turned her on to

1778
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:32,939
what we were doing in the value verse.

1779
01:09:32,939 --> 01:09:35,779
And she released a song, which I'm about

1780
01:09:35,779 --> 01:09:36,180
to play.

1781
01:09:36,260 --> 01:09:38,180
You can hear my, my cool little switch

1782
01:09:38,180 --> 01:09:39,060
over and segue.

1783
01:09:40,180 --> 01:09:41,319
I was tracking.

1784
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:41,779
Yeah.

1785
01:09:41,779 --> 01:09:43,819
And I played it on Booster Graham Ball.

1786
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:47,240
And within five minutes of the show, she

1787
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:50,300
says, Adam, thank you for including me in

1788
01:09:50,300 --> 01:09:51,620
your Booster Graham Ball today.

1789
01:09:52,540 --> 01:09:57,360
So far, I've accumulated $7.77, which is

1790
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,260
more than I've received from Spotify after 28

1791
01:10:00,260 --> 01:10:01,220
,000 plays.

1792
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,860
I think that kind of explains it all,

1793
01:10:05,980 --> 01:10:06,420
doesn't it?

1794
01:10:06,980 --> 01:10:11,700
Yes, that's, that's the experience of every single

1795
01:10:11,700 --> 01:10:13,220
music artist we've heard from.

1796
01:10:13,940 --> 01:10:16,040
Every single time they say the same thing.

1797
01:10:16,440 --> 01:10:18,340
So, you know, so this is the, this

1798
01:10:18,340 --> 01:10:20,340
is the type of love I like to

1799
01:10:20,340 --> 01:10:20,600
see.

1800
01:10:20,820 --> 01:10:22,020
This is the kind of thing that we

1801
01:10:22,020 --> 01:10:25,480
can do for artists, of course, but also

1802
01:10:25,480 --> 01:10:26,480
for podcasters.

1803
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,280
And while we're on the topic, I might

1804
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:30,980
as well play this song, which I think

1805
01:10:30,980 --> 01:10:33,620
will be this, the title song to a

1806
01:10:33,620 --> 01:10:35,540
movie that her husband Nick is doing.

1807
01:10:35,540 --> 01:10:38,000
Suzanne Santo and Worried.

1808
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:38,920
Booster, will you?

1809
01:11:49,550 --> 01:11:57,710
And I'm worried about if I'm gonna kill

1810
01:11:57,710 --> 01:12:05,610
you, am I gonna kill you?

1811
01:12:05,610 --> 01:12:05,710
Mm

1812
01:12:18,700 --> 01:12:33,690
-hmm.

1813
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:01,760
And I'm

1814
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:11,660
worried about

1815
01:13:11,660 --> 01:13:18,680
if I'm gonna kill you, am I gonna

1816
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:18,780
kill you?

1817
01:13:18,780 --> 01:13:23,720
Am I gonna kill you?

1818
01:13:25,020 --> 01:13:28,440
Am I gonna kill you?

1819
01:14:38,180 --> 01:14:38,820
That's a great tune.

1820
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:39,820
Isn't that beautiful?

1821
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:40,160
I dig it, man.

1822
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:41,200
Yeah, yeah.

1823
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:42,940
I love the, I love the, uh, the

1824
01:14:42,940 --> 01:14:43,420
fuzz.

1825
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:47,180
Yeah, kind of explosive there about, uh, two,

1826
01:14:47,300 --> 01:14:48,480
two thirds of the way in.

1827
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:49,340
Yeah, I like that.

1828
01:14:49,500 --> 01:14:52,080
That had a, um, like a, what's that,

1829
01:14:52,140 --> 01:14:53,700
what's that woman's name?

1830
01:14:53,980 --> 01:14:56,240
Um, it's not Demi Lovato.

1831
01:14:56,460 --> 01:14:57,900
It's, I keep getting, I always get them.

1832
01:14:58,200 --> 01:14:59,780
No, no, it's, I always get these two

1833
01:14:59,780 --> 01:15:00,580
people mixed up.

1834
01:15:00,740 --> 01:15:01,700
Whitney Houston, huh?

1835
01:15:02,580 --> 01:15:03,380
Whitney Houston.

1836
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:11,840
Uh, no, the, the, the, the, yeah.

1837
01:15:12,140 --> 01:15:13,760
Come on, try, I can do it.

1838
01:15:13,780 --> 01:15:14,370
We can do this.

1839
01:15:15,220 --> 01:15:16,140
Try harder.

1840
01:15:18,660 --> 01:15:20,120
What was Summer?

1841
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:22,140
Is that one of her, the album names?

1842
01:15:24,780 --> 01:15:27,380
Uh, Summertime something.

1843
01:15:27,940 --> 01:15:28,300
Wow.

1844
01:15:28,540 --> 01:15:29,620
Sometimes, Lana Del Rey.

1845
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:30,100
That's it.

1846
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:31,020
Oh, Lana Del Rey.

1847
01:15:31,140 --> 01:15:32,100
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1848
01:15:32,100 --> 01:15:32,640
I hear that.

1849
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:33,300
I hear that.

1850
01:15:33,380 --> 01:15:34,760
Kind of a vibe of Lana Del Rey

1851
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:34,960
too.

1852
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:36,400
Yeah, I hear that.

1853
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:38,880
Suzanne Santo.

1854
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:41,340
If you were listening to another modern podcast

1855
01:15:41,340 --> 01:15:43,460
that while the API still works, go back

1856
01:15:43,460 --> 01:15:43,860
and boost.

1857
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:45,160
Yes.

1858
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:48,000
Hurry, hurry, hurry, hurry.

1859
01:15:48,060 --> 01:15:48,740
While stocks last.

1860
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:50,300
Hey, I'm excited about this, man.

1861
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:51,280
I, I really am.

1862
01:15:51,340 --> 01:15:53,180
I think this can reinvigorate everything.

1863
01:15:53,340 --> 01:15:54,720
We can get a lot more people in

1864
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:56,960
and, uh, and the sovereigns can still be

1865
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:57,620
very happy.

1866
01:15:58,780 --> 01:16:00,120
It's the best of both worlds.

1867
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:00,880
And I, I agree.

1868
01:16:01,100 --> 01:16:01,860
Messy is good.

1869
01:16:01,980 --> 01:16:02,600
Messy is good.

1870
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:04,340
Lots of different options for everybody.

1871
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:08,500
And, uh, I hope that, uh, I hope

1872
01:16:08,500 --> 01:16:11,780
that, uh, uh, Franco can find a solution.

1873
01:16:13,260 --> 01:16:13,980
Yeah.

1874
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:21,060
To me, the real test of podcasting 2

1875
01:16:21,060 --> 01:16:25,380
.0 in all of its detail has always

1876
01:16:25,380 --> 01:16:31,340
been, and always will be Castamatic because Castamatic

1877
01:16:31,340 --> 01:16:34,400
is a serverless standalone app.

1878
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:36,360
And, and I would include, I would include

1879
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:39,580
also in that like antenna pod and other

1880
01:16:39,580 --> 01:16:44,880
apps that are serverless and purely local installed

1881
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:45,380
apps.

1882
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:49,820
They have no backend in the cloud, those

1883
01:16:49,820 --> 01:16:50,780
type apps.

1884
01:16:51,100 --> 01:16:54,320
If they can do it, we've won.

1885
01:16:54,440 --> 01:16:55,160
We've succeeded.

1886
01:16:56,300 --> 01:16:59,860
If, you know, if for every single feature,

1887
01:16:59,860 --> 01:17:03,740
if it doesn't work in that scenario, and

1888
01:17:03,740 --> 01:17:06,740
then I feel like the feature may still

1889
01:17:06,740 --> 01:17:08,400
be great and it may still be valuable,

1890
01:17:09,580 --> 01:17:12,580
but I'll never feel super comfortable with, with

1891
01:17:12,580 --> 01:17:13,320
where it landed.

1892
01:17:14,300 --> 01:17:15,640
Um, I don't know.

1893
01:17:15,660 --> 01:17:16,840
It's just my own internal way.

1894
01:17:16,860 --> 01:17:17,540
I get it now.

1895
01:17:17,620 --> 01:17:18,020
I get it.

1896
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:18,720
I get it.

1897
01:17:19,580 --> 01:17:20,020
Okay.

1898
01:17:20,100 --> 01:17:20,680
That's the truth.

1899
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:22,040
That's the true nature of podcasting.

1900
01:17:22,060 --> 01:17:22,500
It is.

1901
01:17:22,740 --> 01:17:24,300
It is wherever you get your podcast.

1902
01:17:24,820 --> 01:17:25,100
Yep.

1903
01:17:26,260 --> 01:17:28,120
Oh, I feel drained.

1904
01:17:29,420 --> 01:17:30,260
Yeah, me too.

1905
01:17:30,540 --> 01:17:31,420
I don't know what that is.

1906
01:17:31,860 --> 01:17:33,820
It must be the API.

1907
01:17:34,660 --> 01:17:35,680
Maybe you need water.

1908
01:17:37,100 --> 01:17:38,340
I want to thank a few people who've

1909
01:17:38,340 --> 01:17:40,480
been boosting live during the board meeting for

1910
01:17:40,480 --> 01:17:40,900
today.

1911
01:17:41,740 --> 01:17:43,960
Selass on Linux, thousand sats.

1912
01:17:44,020 --> 01:17:45,140
He says, this is good.

1913
01:17:45,780 --> 01:17:47,800
I like that V4V music is not filled

1914
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:48,900
with dog shit music.

1915
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:51,100
This is so good.

1916
01:17:51,540 --> 01:17:53,680
I'm sure Suzanne Santa will love that booster

1917
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:53,960
gram.

1918
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:56,300
Selass on Linux again, 2000.

1919
01:17:56,500 --> 01:17:58,000
I don't even know if live wallet switching

1920
01:17:58,000 --> 01:17:58,680
works on fountain.

1921
01:17:58,800 --> 01:17:59,340
Yeah, it does.

1922
01:17:59,520 --> 01:17:59,940
It does.

1923
01:18:00,740 --> 01:18:03,500
It just doesn't show it in helipad, which

1924
01:18:03,500 --> 01:18:04,300
is unfortunate.

1925
01:18:04,440 --> 01:18:07,280
Billy bones, three 33 healing music.

1926
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:09,180
He says, and we just got Cole McCormick.

1927
01:18:10,660 --> 01:18:13,000
One, uh, one, one, one, one as a

1928
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:14,180
non-technical member of the board.

1929
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:16,280
I understood nothing in this episode, but love

1930
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:19,080
fountain, wave lake and loving Nostra more admittedly.

1931
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:20,340
Good.

1932
01:18:20,500 --> 01:18:22,040
Is that like an advisory role?

1933
01:18:23,140 --> 01:18:23,920
It's important.

1934
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:24,640
It's an important role.

1935
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:25,960
I don't, I don't know anything what you

1936
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:27,300
talked about, but I love it.

1937
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:30,060
Uh, eight Oh eight from salty crayon.

1938
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:33,260
Yo, this is an ad native ad is

1939
01:18:33,260 --> 01:18:34,220
this Sunday at 6.

1940
01:18:34,220 --> 01:18:35,840
AM special edition of upbeats.

1941
01:18:35,860 --> 01:18:36,500
What's special?

1942
01:18:36,660 --> 01:18:37,640
What's special about it?

1943
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:39,680
What happens when you combine a book written

1944
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:42,120
about drink recipes named after the track names

1945
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:44,820
from an album in V4V stay tuned.

1946
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:46,100
Oh, there's a tease for you.

1947
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:48,540
Stay tuned dot, dot, dot three 33.

1948
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:50,980
Again, from C Brooklyn, two 10 from orange

1949
01:18:50,980 --> 01:18:53,440
pilled says I often listen to live YouTube

1950
01:18:53,440 --> 01:18:55,340
videos, audio only.

1951
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:56,660
Now, of course, I think a lot of

1952
01:18:56,660 --> 01:18:57,120
people do.

1953
01:18:58,080 --> 01:18:58,600
Salty crayon.

1954
01:18:58,640 --> 01:18:59,380
One, two, three, four.

1955
01:18:59,440 --> 01:19:01,240
Howdy boardroom, uh, Dave and Adam.

1956
01:19:01,380 --> 01:19:03,140
So certainly Ray and I were talking about

1957
01:19:03,140 --> 01:19:04,320
when sats are expensive.

1958
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:07,080
For example, when one sat is $1, how

1959
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:08,380
is that going to work for splits?

1960
01:19:08,480 --> 01:19:10,060
We need a threshold to work for everyone

1961
01:19:10,060 --> 01:19:10,680
to get a split.

1962
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:14,000
Three 33 sets one day will cost $333.

1963
01:19:14,340 --> 01:19:16,520
Those lower sats will be more valuable thoughts.

1964
01:19:16,620 --> 01:19:16,880
Why?

1965
01:19:17,060 --> 01:19:17,420
Yes.

1966
01:19:17,660 --> 01:19:19,220
This is the beauty of Bitcoin.

1967
01:19:19,300 --> 01:19:20,140
I'm glad you asked.

1968
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:22,000
It is infinitely divisible.

1969
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:24,460
We will move to Millie sats.

1970
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:29,320
This is where you back me up.

1971
01:19:31,260 --> 01:19:33,640
Yes, we will move to Millie sats.

1972
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:36,160
In fact, and Millie sats is already is

1973
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:37,600
already baked into it.

1974
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:38,880
Yeah, it's already baked into it.

1975
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:42,880
So you have another thousand, uh, uh, uh,

1976
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:43,780
to, to work with.

1977
01:19:44,100 --> 01:19:47,000
So you will be sending 333 Millie sats.

1978
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:51,960
If we get to the point where one

1979
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:54,580
sat equals $1, we're not working anymore.

1980
01:19:54,580 --> 01:19:54,980
We're done.

1981
01:19:55,140 --> 01:19:55,440
Good night.

1982
01:19:55,540 --> 01:19:56,560
I will not be on this.

1983
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:58,820
I will not be on the other end

1984
01:19:58,820 --> 01:19:59,540
of this microphone.

1985
01:20:00,740 --> 01:20:04,160
We'll be in our yurt, El Salvador.

1986
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:08,080
We will have bigger.

1987
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:10,360
We'll probably have bigger problems.

1988
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:11,920
Exactly.

1989
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:15,340
Selassie on Linux again, 2000 sats.

1990
01:20:15,540 --> 01:20:17,280
What are the beans to be spilled of

1991
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:19,200
the secret society of podcasting 2.0?

1992
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:20,180
Well, it's this board meeting.

1993
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:21,300
Of course, this is where we spill all

1994
01:20:21,300 --> 01:20:21,900
the tea.

1995
01:20:22,620 --> 01:20:25,140
Uh, pod two with 5,000 sats.

1996
01:20:25,260 --> 01:20:26,420
Nice from pod two.

1997
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:27,860
Uh, that's Russell.

1998
01:20:28,100 --> 01:20:29,560
Thanks Adam and Dave for everything you both

1999
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:29,720
do.

2000
01:20:29,740 --> 01:20:31,720
And thanks for talking about the L402 and

2001
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:32,940
F402 methods.

2002
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:34,740
We are calling secure RSS.

2003
01:20:34,980 --> 01:20:36,160
What are you laughing about?

2004
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:37,600
F402.

2005
01:20:37,700 --> 01:20:38,920
I just think that's a funny name.

2006
01:20:39,380 --> 01:20:42,320
We have something huge to announce next week.

2007
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:43,940
Oh, well, huge, huge.

2008
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:45,360
It's going to be huge.

2009
01:20:46,440 --> 01:20:48,340
Um, then I hit the delimiter.

2010
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,760
So you are, um, I've got.

2011
01:20:51,900 --> 01:20:55,420
I have had, did not have time to

2012
01:20:55,420 --> 01:20:58,740
write down the PayPal's this morning.

2013
01:20:58,860 --> 01:21:00,000
So I'm doing them off my email.

2014
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:01,820
We're doing it live awkward.

2015
01:21:02,660 --> 01:21:03,620
Doing it live.

2016
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:04,920
We're doing it awkward.

2017
01:21:06,900 --> 01:21:08,680
$300 from blueberry.

2018
01:21:08,860 --> 01:21:09,640
The team over there.

2019
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:12,000
300, $300.

2020
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:13,200
Oh, that deserves it.

2021
01:21:17,500 --> 01:21:18,720
Thank you guys.

2022
01:21:18,780 --> 01:21:19,360
That's beautiful.

2023
01:21:19,420 --> 01:21:20,300
Thank you so much.

2024
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:21,520
Hey gents.

2025
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:22,800
We've been heads down over here.

2026
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:23,740
Keep on cranking.

2027
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,180
Thankful for what everyone has done in moving

2028
01:21:26,180 --> 01:21:26,960
the medium forward.

2029
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:28,640
The battle is real and we need to

2030
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:30,260
double down on the value of RSS as

2031
01:21:30,260 --> 01:21:31,640
it's getting lost in the noise.

2032
01:21:31,780 --> 01:21:32,600
Happy podcasting.

2033
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:34,080
Happy podcasting to you.

2034
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:36,160
Okay.

2035
01:21:36,440 --> 01:21:36,760
Let's see.

2036
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:38,420
This is where, this is where I lose

2037
01:21:38,420 --> 01:21:39,100
my flow.

2038
01:21:40,460 --> 01:21:42,680
$20 from David Beardshaw.

2039
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:44,040
No note.

2040
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:44,740
Thank you, David.

2041
01:21:44,900 --> 01:21:45,280
Appreciate it.

2042
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:45,580
Thank you.

2043
01:21:45,740 --> 01:21:46,280
Appreciate that.

2044
01:21:47,540 --> 01:21:48,080
Let's see.

2045
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:49,360
And we got some boosts.

2046
01:21:49,860 --> 01:21:52,480
Let me flip back over here.

2047
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:53,640
Okay.

2048
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:56,180
We got a 5,000 sets for music.

2049
01:21:56,220 --> 01:21:56,500
Mama.

2050
01:21:57,600 --> 01:21:58,960
That's a music.

2051
01:21:59,980 --> 01:22:00,500
Yes.

2052
01:22:00,620 --> 01:22:00,820
Hello.

2053
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:01,160
Music.

2054
01:22:01,260 --> 01:22:01,460
Mama.

2055
01:22:01,860 --> 01:22:04,060
She says, love me some TJ Wong.

2056
01:22:05,340 --> 01:22:06,760
That was from the last show.

2057
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:07,660
Yep.

2058
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:08,140
Yeah.

2059
01:22:08,420 --> 01:22:10,520
Gene Everett, 20,000 sets.

2060
01:22:10,740 --> 01:22:12,560
It says happy 200th show boost.

2061
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:17,360
Our monk or my, uh, my uncle lives

2062
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:17,880
in our monk.

2063
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:21,640
The old Curry family compound in our monk,

2064
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:22,130
New York.

2065
01:22:23,380 --> 01:22:24,300
Uh, let's see.

2066
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:24,980
It wasn't.

2067
01:22:25,180 --> 01:22:27,800
That is the, let me flip over here.

2068
01:22:27,860 --> 01:22:28,360
I got one more.

2069
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:30,140
So you're looking forward to seeing everyone in

2070
01:22:30,140 --> 01:22:30,460
Austin.

2071
01:22:30,480 --> 01:22:31,300
That's also music.

2072
01:22:31,340 --> 01:22:31,560
Mama.

2073
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:32,520
2,500 cents.

2074
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:32,860
Yes.

2075
01:22:32,860 --> 01:22:34,800
That is December 16th.

2076
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:36,200
I got to cut a promo for other

2077
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:36,740
podcasts.

2078
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:38,640
December 16th and tones.

2079
01:22:38,740 --> 01:22:41,440
Adam Curry's booster Graham ball, live control, the

2080
01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:44,340
stage, the mist, the lights with your boost.

2081
01:22:44,340 --> 01:22:47,220
It's going to be, uh, streamed live on

2082
01:22:47,220 --> 01:22:49,220
all the modern podcast apps and toonster.

2083
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:53,060
And, uh, it's four bands, awesome bands, including,

2084
01:22:53,100 --> 01:22:56,140
um, local band, FM rodeo, Ainsley Costello, just

2085
01:22:56,140 --> 01:22:56,440
loud.

2086
01:22:56,620 --> 01:22:58,240
And by the way, there will be some

2087
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:00,760
special guests, special guests.

2088
01:23:00,900 --> 01:23:01,300
Yes.

2089
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:04,340
Are you, are you cutting a, uh, cutting

2090
01:23:04,340 --> 01:23:06,920
a promo for your secret, for your super

2091
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:07,760
secret live stream?

2092
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:11,060
No, not for the super secret live stream,

2093
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,340
but for other music podcasts, we've got a

2094
01:23:13,340 --> 01:23:13,440
lot.

2095
01:23:13,440 --> 01:23:15,860
They actually said, Hey, we need, we need

2096
01:23:15,860 --> 01:23:16,320
a promo.

2097
01:23:16,500 --> 01:23:17,740
So I got to cut a promo.

2098
01:23:17,900 --> 01:23:19,420
It was, I'm like, can't believe I hadn't

2099
01:23:19,420 --> 01:23:20,080
done that already.

2100
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:21,000
I feel foolish.

2101
01:23:21,820 --> 01:23:24,420
How many of those, how many of those

2102
01:23:24,420 --> 01:23:26,220
things would you have to cut for in

2103
01:23:26,220 --> 01:23:27,900
a, like in a single session where you

2104
01:23:27,900 --> 01:23:30,340
sit down and be like, you know, uh,

2105
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:32,320
listen to the top 100 on blah, blah,

2106
01:23:32,340 --> 01:23:33,520
blah in Kansas city.

2107
01:23:33,940 --> 01:23:37,020
Oh, days, days, days worth when I did

2108
01:23:37,020 --> 01:23:39,080
have the, the Adam Curry's top 30 hit

2109
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:41,300
list brought by Pepsi and Reebok.

2110
01:23:42,100 --> 01:23:42,840
Um, oh yeah.

2111
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:43,560
Oh yeah.

2112
01:23:43,660 --> 01:23:44,020
Days.

2113
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:46,000
And it was always listen.

2114
01:23:46,180 --> 01:23:47,800
Hi, here we go.

2115
01:23:48,020 --> 01:23:48,520
Hey everybody.

2116
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:50,040
It's MTV guy, Adam Curry.

2117
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:51,540
Make sure you listen to my top 30

2118
01:23:51,540 --> 01:23:54,400
hit list this weekend on 95 FM.

2119
01:23:54,520 --> 01:24:01,980
The Eagle, which is an amazing name for

2120
01:24:01,980 --> 01:24:02,880
a radio station.

2121
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:06,140
Oh, believe me.

2122
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:06,780
They have it.

2123
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:08,100
That's Dallas.

2124
01:24:08,860 --> 01:24:10,240
Kid Craddock in the morning.

2125
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:10,600
Everybody.

2126
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:11,280
Hi everybody.

2127
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:11,980
It's Adam Curry.

2128
01:24:12,020 --> 01:24:13,000
MTV guy here.

2129
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:14,060
Kid Craddock in the morning.

2130
01:24:14,180 --> 01:24:16,200
He loves my top 30 hit list on

2131
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:17,120
95 FM.

2132
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:17,900
The Eagle.

2133
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:23,460
I can still do it.

2134
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:24,100
That's okay.

2135
01:24:25,480 --> 01:24:26,640
Kid Craddock passed.

2136
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:28,300
Unfortunately, he's no longer with us.

2137
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:29,500
That's a bummer.

2138
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:30,900
He would have loved it.

2139
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:32,520
He's he hears me up there in heaven.

2140
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:33,260
He hears me.

2141
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:35,300
Uh, let's see.

2142
01:24:35,340 --> 01:24:36,780
We got a delimiter.

2143
01:24:36,780 --> 01:24:37,960
We got a common strip blogger.

2144
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:39,260
16,000 sats.

2145
01:24:39,480 --> 01:24:44,380
He says, uh, he says, what does he

2146
01:24:44,380 --> 01:24:45,140
say now?

2147
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:45,960
All right.

2148
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:47,900
Let me, I got a conjure, uh, chemistry

2149
01:24:47,900 --> 01:24:48,460
blogger.

2150
01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:52,560
Howdy fellow white people, Dave and Adam.

2151
01:24:54,220 --> 01:24:56,760
Today, I'd like to recommend two podcasts from

2152
01:24:56,760 --> 01:25:00,580
our fellow white friend, Darren O'Neill.

2153
01:25:00,980 --> 01:25:06,380
First podcast www.planetrage.show. A podcast with

2154
01:25:06,380 --> 01:25:09,320
deep voice, Larry, who is 95% Irish

2155
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:12,980
and partly native American, according to 23andme DNA

2156
01:25:12,980 --> 01:25:13,520
test.

2157
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:18,440
And second one, www.unrelenting.show with Jean,

2158
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:24,800
a Jew, who is mostly Ashkenazi Jew and

2159
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:25,540
partly Russian.

2160
01:25:25,660 --> 01:25:28,880
Also, according to 23andme test that he did.

2161
01:25:29,900 --> 01:25:32,660
And planet rage is clip show akin to

2162
01:25:32,660 --> 01:25:35,940
no agenda and unrelenting is uncensored jibber jabber.

2163
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:37,360
Both not uninteresting.

2164
01:25:37,780 --> 01:25:38,680
Yo, CSB.

2165
01:25:40,300 --> 01:25:43,820
And both the DNA of Jean and Larry

2166
01:25:43,820 --> 01:25:46,660
is now probably in hands of China and

2167
01:25:46,660 --> 01:25:46,980
Russia.

2168
01:25:47,140 --> 01:25:49,800
Since 23andme is close to going out of

2169
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:50,220
business.

2170
01:25:51,140 --> 01:25:51,400
Oh yeah.

2171
01:25:51,440 --> 01:25:55,440
And like FEMA, the military, CIA, NSA, everybody

2172
01:25:55,440 --> 01:25:56,020
has it.

2173
01:25:56,100 --> 01:25:56,640
Oh yeah, definitely.

2174
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:57,560
Everybody's got a piece of that.

2175
01:25:57,980 --> 01:25:58,720
For sure.

2176
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:01,680
Uh, we got some, uh, monthly.

2177
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:03,000
He's got Timothy voice, $10.

2178
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:03,800
Thank you, Timothy.

2179
01:26:04,340 --> 01:26:06,060
We got, uh, oh, Satan's lawyer.

2180
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:06,720
Xenor.

2181
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:07,540
Oh, there he is.

2182
01:26:07,700 --> 01:26:09,700
Limited for $5 from down under.

2183
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:10,120
Thank you.

2184
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:11,060
From way down under.

2185
01:26:11,260 --> 01:26:14,480
Way down from the fiery pit of down

2186
01:26:14,480 --> 01:26:14,800
under.

2187
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:17,540
Oh, oh, I missed this one on the

2188
01:26:17,540 --> 01:26:17,780
original.

2189
01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:20,060
Um, I'm, um, see, this is where I

2190
01:26:20,060 --> 01:26:21,060
screwed up from my emails.

2191
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:23,620
Not where we're going to bus sprout $1

2192
01:26:23,620 --> 01:26:24,300
,000.

2193
01:26:24,300 --> 01:26:26,060
Holy moly, holy moly.

2194
01:26:29,420 --> 01:26:32,840
Keeping the wheels turning here at podcast index.

2195
01:26:33,140 --> 01:26:33,600
Thank you.

2196
01:26:33,700 --> 01:26:34,680
Buzzsprout brothers.

2197
01:26:35,380 --> 01:26:35,740
Thank you.

2198
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:40,020
I sent a boost to buzzcast last week.

2199
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:42,980
And they did not read my boost on

2200
01:26:42,980 --> 01:26:43,740
the show this week.

2201
01:26:44,140 --> 01:26:45,460
No, no, you know, don't you know how

2202
01:26:45,460 --> 01:26:46,260
they work over there?

2203
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:48,040
You got to send the boost.

2204
01:26:48,180 --> 01:26:50,020
Then you have to use their, uh, text

2205
01:26:50,020 --> 01:26:51,000
message system.

2206
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:52,580
Oh, you got to text them and say,

2207
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:56,160
copy, paste, copy, paste in your message.

2208
01:26:56,540 --> 01:26:58,120
And then write in there.

2209
01:26:58,180 --> 01:26:59,280
How many sats it was?

2210
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:00,060
Yeah, I guess.

2211
01:27:00,980 --> 01:27:01,840
Thank you guys.

2212
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:02,500
Appreciate y'all.

2213
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:03,580
You're very much.

2214
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:05,020
Really appreciate it.

2215
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:08,400
Uh, Oystein Berg, uh, $5.

2216
01:27:08,780 --> 01:27:09,120
Thank you.

2217
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:09,480
Oystein.

2218
01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:12,660
Uh, so we got Charles current $5.

2219
01:27:12,820 --> 01:27:13,560
Thank you, Charles.

2220
01:27:13,900 --> 01:27:15,940
Jorge Hernandez, $5.

2221
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:19,380
Um, Michael Goggin, $5.

2222
01:27:20,100 --> 01:27:21,600
James Sullivan, $10.

2223
01:27:22,440 --> 01:27:23,700
Cohen Glotzbach, $5.

2224
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:26,720
I think Cohen is, um, I think he's

2225
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:30,520
involved with, uh, with antenna pod.

2226
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:31,100
Maybe.

2227
01:27:31,300 --> 01:27:31,840
Oh, okay.

2228
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:32,360
I think that's right.

2229
01:27:32,540 --> 01:27:32,940
Thank you.

2230
01:27:33,060 --> 01:27:33,520
Regardless.

2231
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:34,240
Thank you.

2232
01:27:34,420 --> 01:27:34,640
Yeah.

2233
01:27:35,060 --> 01:27:35,820
Uh, and that's it.

2234
01:27:35,860 --> 01:27:36,300
That's our group.

2235
01:27:36,580 --> 01:27:37,060
All right.

2236
01:27:37,060 --> 01:27:38,080
Thank you all very much.

2237
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:38,960
Value for value.

2238
01:27:39,100 --> 01:27:41,480
The entire podcast index.org project.

2239
01:27:41,480 --> 01:27:44,200
This program, uh, Adam and Dave take nothing.

2240
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:46,700
We use the Bitcoin to fund the node

2241
01:27:46,700 --> 01:27:47,280
for liquidity.

2242
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:48,600
If you need some, hit me up.

2243
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:49,380
I'm happy to do it.

2244
01:27:49,460 --> 01:27:50,400
Fees are low right now.

2245
01:27:50,460 --> 01:27:51,540
At least they were this morning.

2246
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:53,380
Uh, so happy to help you.

2247
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:56,200
Um, and everything else is, uh, goes into

2248
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:58,520
the treasury to keep, uh, to ensure that

2249
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:01,900
podcast index.org is API, it's scrapers and,

2250
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:03,160
uh, and parsers.

2251
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:04,660
And we have to talk about that, uh,

2252
01:28:04,660 --> 01:28:06,340
fast feed parser on the next show.

2253
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:08,040
But, uh, I want to know if you

2254
01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:09,400
had a chance to experiment with that.

2255
01:28:09,540 --> 01:28:09,980
Probably not.

2256
01:28:10,820 --> 01:28:12,420
Uh, no, I sent it to Alex.

2257
01:28:12,540 --> 01:28:14,500
He was, uh, he was giving me some

2258
01:28:14,500 --> 01:28:15,420
feedback on it.

2259
01:28:15,500 --> 01:28:15,780
Okay.

2260
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:16,920
The official podcast.

2261
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:19,000
Yeah.

2262
01:28:19,100 --> 01:28:21,260
He's the, he's the, he's hardcore Python guys.

2263
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:21,920
Beautiful.

2264
01:28:22,660 --> 01:28:24,340
Um, oh, not so low analysis.

2265
01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:24,880
Cotton gin.

2266
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:25,420
Doesn't matter.

2267
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:26,520
I'll still open it to you.

2268
01:28:27,020 --> 01:28:27,480
It's all right.

2269
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:30,380
As long as not 110 sats, Vivi bites,

2270
01:28:30,460 --> 01:28:31,640
you know, that's like, ah, like it gets

2271
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:33,740
kind of expensive, but it's what, it's what

2272
01:28:33,740 --> 01:28:34,180
we do.

2273
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:34,900
It's what we do.

2274
01:28:35,100 --> 01:28:35,480
It's what we do.

2275
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:36,040
It's who we are.

2276
01:28:36,100 --> 01:28:37,100
It's not who we are.

2277
01:28:37,480 --> 01:28:38,040
All right.

2278
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:40,060
Dave Jones, my brother from another mother.

2279
01:28:40,100 --> 01:28:43,180
Thank you so much for, um, uh, for

2280
01:28:43,180 --> 01:28:44,340
today and for all the work.

2281
01:28:44,500 --> 01:28:47,360
No, I appreciate all that you do.

2282
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:48,860
I really do.

2283
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:49,980
Oh, thank you, man.

2284
01:28:50,100 --> 01:28:51,200
I appreciate y'all.

2285
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:52,040
I appreciate you.

2286
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:55,560
And, and this, um, we will get through

2287
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:55,980
this.

2288
01:28:56,100 --> 01:28:56,940
We will.

2289
01:28:57,060 --> 01:29:00,840
Every, every, everyone, everyone hug and share a

2290
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:02,260
secret and share a secret.

2291
01:29:02,620 --> 01:29:03,440
Thank you very much.

2292
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:05,920
Remember to be back here next Friday.

2293
01:29:06,740 --> 01:29:07,940
I'm 95 FM.

2294
01:29:07,940 --> 01:29:12,320
Eagle for another 2.0 board meeting.

2295
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:31,560
You have been listening to podcasting 2.0,

2296
01:29:31,660 --> 01:29:35,220
visit podcastindex.org for more information.

2297
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:37,160
Go podcasting.

2298
01:29:37,940 --> 01:29:38,740
Harder.