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Podcasting 2.0 for December 6, 2024, episode

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Tweet my tweeters.

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Well, it's getting cold out there, but that

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doesn't matter.

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We're still going to bring you Podcasting 2

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.0 on your Friday afternoon.

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This is the place where we discuss all

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things podcasting.

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Your true north star.

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That's right.

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The boardroom is here, open for all.

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And we are the only boardroom that does

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not have a booth at the trade shows.

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I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of

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the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the

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man who post-processes his generated tailwind bundle

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just for fun.

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Say hello to the pod sage, everybody.

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My friend on the other end, the one,

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the only, Mr. Dave Jones.

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The what?

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The man who post-processes his generated tailwind

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bundle just for fun.

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There it is.

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Take that and you can just edit that

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right in.

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Splice it right in.

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There's no takesy backsies here in the boardroom.

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What's said is said.

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Nobody will ever know.

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What's said is said.

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We're done.

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That's how we roll.

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We don't edit anything ever, as far as

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I can recall.

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Nobody will ever know.

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No, no.

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No one will ever know the difference.

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Hey, brother, how you doing?

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Good.

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Yep.

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I'm going to be consuming this plate of

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food as we podcast.

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So yes, but nobody will ever know because

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that's how good I am.

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Yes.

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What are you eating?

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I've got a croissant.

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Oh, croissant.

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And beef jerky.

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Now you do a bite of croissant and

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a bite of jerky.

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Is that how you roll?

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I'm not going to do that because that's

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gross.

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And then I also have a beef milkshake.

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And that's a really weird lunch.

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Good for you.

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You know what?

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When you run, when you run through the

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kitchen, trying to grab food, grab whatever's available.

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Yeah, it's the French.

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Not the French.

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Not real big on croissant and jerky.

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And jerky.

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No, it's well, but we could start a

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new restaurant.

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Oh, maybe that'll work.

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Let me write it down.

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Let me see if that looks good.

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Yeah, it's probably not.

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Jercois.

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I think that sounds like a terrible, that

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sounds sexual.

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What a great product, Jercois.

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That sounds way bad.

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No, don't do that.

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Oh man, it's been crazy here.

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I was on a Zoom call with Open

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Mike.

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Open Mike, we know him from Toonster and

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of course the Live Value for Value concerts.

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And he's organizing December.

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I want to get, I keep getting it

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wrong.

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Is it December?

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It's Monday, December 16th in Austin at Antone's.

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Go look on the calendar.

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Antone's.

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Tickets still available.

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And this is for the Live Boostergram Ball.

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Yeah, the Boostergram Ball Live.

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Adam Curry's Boostergram Ball Live, yes.

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Six bands, it looks like.

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And he also had the, he's brought in

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a guy to do a documentary.

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Parker, of course.

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He's a Bitcoin guy.

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He has another guy named Parker.

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Yeah, he's flying him.

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Open Mike, he's really been, I mean, he's

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really all in on this stuff, man.

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He's putting up the goods to make this

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happen.

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And they've got a whole weekend before that

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in Austin with the Costellos are coming in

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and they've got like a round table and

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all kinds of stuff happening.

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He's really taking this to the mat.

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So the documentary will be about Value for

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Value.

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Oh, so is he a documentarian?

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Is that what he does?

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He is a documentarian, yes.

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That is his exact title.

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But he's done Bitcoin documentaries.

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He's done some good stuff.

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The search for Satoshi?

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No, not that one.

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No, he's done some other things.

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And he's in New York.

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So Open Mike's bringing him into Austin.

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He's also going to do stuff in Nashville.

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He'll probably come back in the new year

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and do stuff out here with me in

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the Hill Country.

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He's really putting the work into it.

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And he has to go to California to

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talk to Dvorak.

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I said, you can't do a Value for

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Value documentary without JCD because he was very

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instrumental in forming the original kind of concept

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over 17 years ago.

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Okay, so it's not Bitcoin specific.

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It's a Value for Value documentary.

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Value for Value as the monetization model, the

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programming format, and the international lifestyle.

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The international lifestyle.

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It's the new international lifestyle.

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You didn't know that?

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You didn't know Value for Value?

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No, I knew this.

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It just freaked me out.

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I think it's actually...

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Let me see.

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I think it's actually on the valueforvalue.info

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website, which I always tell people to go

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look for.

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Yes.

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Let me see.

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valueforvalue.info Let me see what it says.

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Uh, I don't think...

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Oh, that slogan is not on there.

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But it does say monetization model, content form,

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and a way of life.

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Okay.

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A way of life.

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But I like the new international lifestyle.

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It's the new international lifestyle, baby.

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That's what we're all about here.

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So it was really good, but it screwed

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up my morning.

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I mean, we got people coming in.

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I got...

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because we have the parade tonight.

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Parade?

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Oh, the Fredericksburg Christmas Parade is a big

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They air it live on CBS Austin.

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Oh, yeah, that's right.

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I've heard about it.

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It's the Main Street.

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No, I'm kidding.

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It's the Main Street Parade.

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And we've got the oil baron and his

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fiancee coming in.

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They're staying overnight.

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So I'll learn a lot about oil.

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Woo!

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And then...

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Now, is there floats that go down the

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street?

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Oh, it's a full-on electrical light parade.

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It's good old boys, too.

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Hayride?

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Hayrides, everything.

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I mean, we have the quintessential Main Street

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in Texas.

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I mean, this is the one.

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We have the marked plots.

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We've got the Eisbahn.

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So we have the skating rink open.

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We have an entire square that is just

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all the trees are lit up.

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All the Main Street, all the stores.

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It is what you want from an old

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-school American German Christmas.

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Does the city have a Christmas tree in

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the town square?

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Yeah, the marked plots.

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Nice.

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This is a hallmark movie.

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But wait for it.

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So tomorrow, and they have the market going

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on at 6.30. The market officially closes

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at 6.30. We kick in.

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We're doing a Christmas concert.

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We've got the Rev. 1211 Orchestra, which is

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about 10 different worship leaders from churches all

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around Texas.

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And they're doing a multimedia presentation of the

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greatest story ever told.

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So it's going to be videos running, like,

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you know, the chosen Christmas scene and stuff.

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It's not jingle bells.

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It's going to be, I mean, these are

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top-notch musicians.

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And so I'm emceeing that.

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Nice.

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Yeah, so we're all into the Fred Christmas

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spirit, man.

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We are all in.

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Hello, Fred.

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Hello, Fred.

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Yes, hello, Fred.

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So we've got a couple things to talk

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about.

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Maybe we can just, without going too deep,

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we'll do a little update where you think

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we are and the stuff I've been seeing

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on the wallet switchover.

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Let's just call it the wallet segment.

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Now, wait, Drip Scott just posted a link

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to www.fredericksburgchristmasparade.com.

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Oh, virtual viewing.

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Is that a real link?

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Wow.

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That's a long domain name.

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I hope nobody has an email address at

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that.

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Looks like it's streaming live on YouTube.

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Let me click on it.

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Let me see what they got.

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Do they have anything live yet?

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We are Fredericksburg Strong.

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That's Fredericksburg, Virginia.

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No, no.

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Look at Virginia trying to steal Texas.

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Oh, man.

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No, good.

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Take that away.

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That link is no good.

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Take it away.

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Delete it off IRC.

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Virginia.

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Yeah, delete it off IRC.

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So people are working on stuff.

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There's a lot of talking going on.

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I've seen some stuff.

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I've been hanging out in the Stephen Bell

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cinematic universe.

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He's already upgraded sovereign feeds to handle the

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new LN addresses.

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He even has a value block updater in

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there.

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So it'll go through all of the feeds

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that you use in sovereign feeds and put

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in the new blocks when you're ready.

286
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Oh, wow.

287
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Oh, yeah.

288
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He is running.

289
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He is running.

290
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He's running real hard.

291
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But I think there's still some confusion and

292
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people have thoughts.

293
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I mean, what have you picked up in

294
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the past week?

295
00:09:15,230 --> 00:09:16,510
Uh, well, I mean.

296
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I know it's hard to I've had a

297
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little bit of trouble keeping up with.

298
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Right.

299
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With wherever people are at.

300
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I mean, there's let me see if I

301
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can kind of step back a little bit

302
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because part of the I mean, I think

303
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part of the issue is that.

304
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Nothing is OK.

305
00:09:41,060 --> 00:09:44,380
The main confusion has been who this is

306
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going to affect and who it's not.

307
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Can we agree on that?

308
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Yeah.

309
00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:51,760
Well, it's going to affect everybody.

310
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Well, I mean, yes and no.

311
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See, that's that's the hard.

312
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That's kind of you kind of summed up

313
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the difficulty of this because.

314
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It's going to affect.

315
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Everybody that's not fountain.

316
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Breeze.

317
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Wavelake.

318
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I mean, like there are people that is

319
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not that are not going to be affected.

320
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I mean, like fountains just going to keep

321
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on trucking.

322
00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:22,960
They're not going to be affected at all.

323
00:10:24,900 --> 00:10:27,460
And then, you know, like if you claimed

324
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your if you claimed your show through fountain.

325
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And.

326
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Then you're most of your listeners are also

327
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using fountain.

328
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Then you're not going to see any difference.

329
00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:45,100
Ah, hold on a sec.

330
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Hold on a second.

331
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If people have claimed their show on fountain,

332
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which means they have made use of the

333
00:10:50,820 --> 00:10:54,440
partner API slash shim in the podcast index,

334
00:10:55,140 --> 00:10:57,040
that information will have to change.

335
00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:58,280
No, no.

336
00:10:59,060 --> 00:11:01,520
No, because Keysand will continue to work because

337
00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,960
Zebedee is the back end in fountain.

338
00:11:04,180 --> 00:11:05,900
Fountain is going to continue to support the

339
00:11:05,900 --> 00:11:06,200
current.

340
00:11:06,780 --> 00:11:09,800
You know, the the keys and value blocks

341
00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,180
on out.

342
00:11:13,700 --> 00:11:15,980
But doesn't fountain want to move to the

343
00:11:15,980 --> 00:11:17,780
Ellen address format?

344
00:11:18,620 --> 00:11:20,760
They will over they will over time.

345
00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,520
Yeah, but but they you know, this is

346
00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,960
going to be a slow transition for them

347
00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:26,460
as well.

348
00:11:26,560 --> 00:11:28,900
But I mean, if you've claimed your feed

349
00:11:28,900 --> 00:11:31,640
through fountain and using a fountain wallet address,

350
00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,040
anyone else trying to send to you from

351
00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,120
another app, which will no longer have keys

352
00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:37,840
and available, that's going to fail.

353
00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,240
So it does affect people.

354
00:11:39,900 --> 00:11:40,360
Right.

355
00:11:40,500 --> 00:11:43,600
That's that's that's where you begin to get

356
00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:43,980
affected.

357
00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,080
So like if you're if you let's say

358
00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:47,800
that you.

359
00:11:49,420 --> 00:11:50,580
I'm going to paint difference.

360
00:11:50,780 --> 00:11:51,940
The only way I know how to do

361
00:11:51,940 --> 00:11:53,480
this is just to paint different scenarios.

362
00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,200
Like so if you are.

363
00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:56,940
Um.

364
00:11:58,580 --> 00:12:00,740
If you're a artist on Wavelake.

365
00:12:01,940 --> 00:12:07,070
And your wallet is through them and people

366
00:12:07,070 --> 00:12:08,970
are listening to your music on fountain.

367
00:12:10,590 --> 00:12:12,450
You will not see a difference.

368
00:12:13,110 --> 00:12:16,510
OK, nothing will change if you are an

369
00:12:16,510 --> 00:12:19,590
artist on Wavelake and people are listening to

370
00:12:19,590 --> 00:12:22,670
you on Wavelakes app or let's say on

371
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Breeze.

372
00:12:23,930 --> 00:12:25,070
Nothing will change.

373
00:12:25,350 --> 00:12:26,830
You will see no difference.

374
00:12:28,210 --> 00:12:28,710
The.

375
00:12:29,190 --> 00:12:30,030
The.

376
00:12:30,810 --> 00:12:32,090
If you are.

377
00:12:32,990 --> 00:12:36,170
If you are a music artist who claimed

378
00:12:36,170 --> 00:12:36,930
through.

379
00:12:38,270 --> 00:12:39,790
Sovereign feeds.

380
00:12:41,350 --> 00:12:44,690
And you claimed to a wallet.

381
00:12:45,890 --> 00:12:49,010
That your own wallet that supports.

382
00:12:49,610 --> 00:12:50,010
Keysend.

383
00:12:50,190 --> 00:12:50,970
Keysend.

384
00:12:51,230 --> 00:12:52,910
Let's say your own node.

385
00:12:53,790 --> 00:12:57,310
And most of your listeners are on fountain.

386
00:12:58,370 --> 00:12:59,790
Or on Wavelake.

387
00:13:00,450 --> 00:13:01,710
You won't see a difference.

388
00:13:02,850 --> 00:13:03,610
Or Breeze.

389
00:13:04,230 --> 00:13:06,050
The the places you're going to see the

390
00:13:06,050 --> 00:13:08,770
places that are going to be affected initially.

391
00:13:09,510 --> 00:13:11,030
Are going to be.

392
00:13:12,990 --> 00:13:15,130
Third are going to be third party.

393
00:13:16,690 --> 00:13:18,310
It's not third party, that's the wrong term.

394
00:13:18,630 --> 00:13:21,810
We're going to be apps that used.

395
00:13:22,570 --> 00:13:25,490
Albies free hosting as a way to get

396
00:13:25,490 --> 00:13:26,470
listener wallets.

397
00:13:26,470 --> 00:13:26,970
Mm hmm.

398
00:13:27,510 --> 00:13:29,230
They're no longer going to be able.

399
00:13:29,390 --> 00:13:30,910
The wallets are just going to go away.

400
00:13:31,890 --> 00:13:34,370
Um, if you don't excuse me, let me

401
00:13:34,370 --> 00:13:35,030
be specific.

402
00:13:36,150 --> 00:13:36,630
If.

403
00:13:37,770 --> 00:13:40,290
You the wallet will go away if you

404
00:13:40,290 --> 00:13:41,010
do not.

405
00:13:41,230 --> 00:13:43,110
Convert it to an Albie hub, which 99

406
00:13:43,110 --> 00:13:44,530
% of those people will not.

407
00:13:44,690 --> 00:13:44,830
Right.

408
00:13:45,810 --> 00:13:48,510
I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings.

409
00:13:49,350 --> 00:13:49,830
So.

410
00:13:50,670 --> 00:13:54,490
That's and I heard something about Albie converting.

411
00:13:55,230 --> 00:13:57,550
Those sets into free credits or something like

412
00:13:57,550 --> 00:13:58,470
that for an Albie hub.

413
00:13:58,610 --> 00:14:00,110
I think that's don't know.

414
00:14:00,290 --> 00:14:01,290
I didn't hear about that.

415
00:14:01,650 --> 00:14:02,730
Yeah, I may be wrong.

416
00:14:03,330 --> 00:14:03,790
So.

417
00:14:04,270 --> 00:14:06,350
If you are a listener.

418
00:14:07,190 --> 00:14:07,650
On.

419
00:14:08,650 --> 00:14:09,110
Castamatic.

420
00:14:10,630 --> 00:14:12,510
Um, you're not, you're just not.

421
00:14:12,850 --> 00:14:14,970
And unless you decide that you want to

422
00:14:14,970 --> 00:14:16,890
do an Albie hub, which most of them

423
00:14:16,890 --> 00:14:17,370
will not.

424
00:14:18,010 --> 00:14:20,350
You're going to lose the ability to send

425
00:14:20,350 --> 00:14:21,170
boosts to people.

426
00:14:21,970 --> 00:14:23,130
Same with Podverse.

427
00:14:23,310 --> 00:14:23,770
Right.

428
00:14:24,850 --> 00:14:25,970
True fans.

429
00:14:26,850 --> 00:14:28,210
Uh, you're not there.

430
00:14:28,490 --> 00:14:30,150
If you list, if you are a true

431
00:14:30,150 --> 00:14:31,110
fans listener.

432
00:14:32,110 --> 00:14:32,670
Sending.

433
00:14:33,270 --> 00:14:37,310
Uh, boosts to somebody who claimed on Wavelake

434
00:14:37,310 --> 00:14:37,810
or.

435
00:14:38,550 --> 00:14:38,950
Fountain.

436
00:14:39,650 --> 00:14:41,210
Or their own node.

437
00:14:41,890 --> 00:14:43,950
You're not going to see a, there's, you're

438
00:14:43,950 --> 00:14:44,650
not going to see a problem.

439
00:14:44,730 --> 00:14:45,770
They're going to continue to function.

440
00:14:46,050 --> 00:14:48,430
So as far as I can tell.

441
00:14:49,050 --> 00:14:51,870
There's only two main apps that are going

442
00:14:51,870 --> 00:14:53,210
to be affected by this.

443
00:14:53,210 --> 00:14:53,890
Well, excuse me.

444
00:14:53,950 --> 00:14:54,430
No, I'm sorry.

445
00:14:54,650 --> 00:14:54,990
There's a couple.

446
00:14:55,230 --> 00:14:55,390
Yes.

447
00:14:55,670 --> 00:14:56,310
Podcast addict.

448
00:14:56,990 --> 00:14:57,390
Podcast guru.

449
00:14:58,050 --> 00:14:58,610
Podverse.

450
00:14:59,990 --> 00:15:00,730
And Castamatic.

451
00:15:01,310 --> 00:15:04,290
Podcast addict does never supported streaming sets anyway.

452
00:15:04,370 --> 00:15:04,610
Okay.

453
00:15:04,730 --> 00:15:07,310
So Castamatic, Podverse, Podcast guru.

454
00:15:07,870 --> 00:15:08,270
Yes.

455
00:15:08,330 --> 00:15:08,990
Those three.

456
00:15:09,770 --> 00:15:11,410
So you're going to initially.

457
00:15:12,390 --> 00:15:12,950
And.

458
00:15:13,510 --> 00:15:16,450
I think everybody else is going to.

459
00:15:19,260 --> 00:15:19,700
Um.

460
00:15:20,820 --> 00:15:23,160
Is going to be able to function.

461
00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,460
Uh, except those three.

462
00:15:28,380 --> 00:15:31,200
Curio caster is going to integrate strike.

463
00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,040
I think, I think Steven said he was

464
00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,220
also going to continue to support Albie hub.

465
00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:36,840
Obviously.

466
00:15:37,380 --> 00:15:38,060
Albie hub.

467
00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:38,280
Okay.

468
00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:38,540
Yeah.

469
00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:40,780
So that one.

470
00:15:41,900 --> 00:15:43,460
That's, that's a hard one.

471
00:15:43,780 --> 00:15:45,940
Um, not, I'm not sure there.

472
00:15:46,220 --> 00:15:46,560
Okay.

473
00:15:46,580 --> 00:15:50,480
So in this scenario, how do we transition

474
00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:51,820
to Ellen address?

475
00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:53,060
So that.

476
00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,800
The other, the other three big ones, I

477
00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:57,860
consider them to be big.

478
00:15:58,240 --> 00:15:59,960
Podverse podcast grew fountain.

479
00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,520
So that they can transition to.

480
00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:04,860
Uh, the new wallet integration.

481
00:16:05,140 --> 00:16:07,540
No podcast guru, Podverse Castamatic.

482
00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:08,180
Castamatic.

483
00:16:08,300 --> 00:16:08,540
I'm sorry.

484
00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,480
So they can, uh, transition into the new

485
00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:12,200
Ellen address.

486
00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,580
The, all these other services will also need

487
00:16:15,580 --> 00:16:16,860
to turn into Ellen address.

488
00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,360
Uh, they will have to have an Ellen

489
00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:22,020
address.

490
00:16:22,780 --> 00:16:22,880
Yes.

491
00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,840
The Ellen address will have to slowly come

492
00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,640
into the feed and as that, but, but

493
00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,040
really that is going to have to happen

494
00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,260
on a time scale, uh, on a timeframe

495
00:16:34,260 --> 00:16:39,100
where Albie and fountain are both comfortable doing

496
00:16:39,100 --> 00:16:39,380
that.

497
00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:39,680
So.

498
00:16:40,580 --> 00:16:41,860
I don't know how long is this going

499
00:16:41,860 --> 00:16:42,360
to take?

500
00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:46,100
I mean, because there's a new, there's a

501
00:16:46,100 --> 00:16:47,440
new standard here, right?

502
00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,240
So there's the Ellen address options file standard

503
00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:56,280
and that options file format has to be

504
00:16:56,280 --> 00:17:00,960
supported by fountain and Albie, uh, and wave

505
00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:01,280
Lake.

506
00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,760
Does, does what strike does, is that actually

507
00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,680
Ellen address or is that only Ellen URL

508
00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:09,579
pay?

509
00:17:11,140 --> 00:17:11,859
Strike.

510
00:17:11,859 --> 00:17:12,440
Yeah.

511
00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:13,700
It's Ellen URLP.

512
00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:14,020
Yeah.

513
00:17:14,140 --> 00:17:14,359
Yeah.

514
00:17:14,420 --> 00:17:14,579
Right.

515
00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:14,900
Okay.

516
00:17:14,940 --> 00:17:16,500
So they don't, so that is not Ellen

517
00:17:16,500 --> 00:17:17,099
address.

518
00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:19,920
No, that is not Ellen address.

519
00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:26,040
And so the, the, this guy, this was

520
00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,780
the part of the confusion, uh, last week

521
00:17:29,780 --> 00:17:32,880
with what Oscar was saying that, that is

522
00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,520
just, it's just honestly hard to explain is

523
00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:45,620
that Ellen, Ellen URLP, um, Ellen

524
00:17:45,620 --> 00:17:50,360
URLP is a, you know, is, is a

525
00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:54,280
way to get, it's, it's a bunch of

526
00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:54,660
things.

527
00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,960
It's, it's an L it's a lightning address

528
00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:04,160
format, but also a way to get payments,

529
00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,420
uh, generate invoices so that you can pay

530
00:18:07,420 --> 00:18:07,920
an invoice.

531
00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,600
So Ellen, Ellen address, uh, which is the

532
00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:14,460
kind of format we're working with.

533
00:18:16,660 --> 00:18:25,420
Um, Ellen address is the, is a way

534
00:18:25,420 --> 00:18:28,480
to specify more, a bunch of different format

535
00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:34,500
options because the thing, Ellen URLP, Ellen URLP

536
00:18:34,500 --> 00:18:36,520
only, it assumes bolt 11.

537
00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:38,460
So that's the issue.

538
00:18:39,740 --> 00:18:43,140
And, and honestly, what we're trying to build

539
00:18:43,140 --> 00:18:45,220
is something that's a little bit agnostic to,

540
00:18:45,340 --> 00:18:46,620
to podcasting itself.

541
00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,860
We're trying to attach lightning addresses to a

542
00:18:50,860 --> 00:18:54,200
options file where you can ask what format

543
00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:58,200
of, of invoice does the other side accept,

544
00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,680
which is a step up, which is a,

545
00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,300
uh, a layer, a level above Ellen URLP,

546
00:19:04,420 --> 00:19:06,180
which assumes bolt 11.

547
00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,320
So now you say, okay, we're not going

548
00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,720
to assume anything we're going to ask.

549
00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:13,960
We're okay.

550
00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:15,300
Let me, let me start from me.

551
00:19:15,340 --> 00:19:19,300
It's like, you've got an address, uh, spurlock

552
00:19:19,300 --> 00:19:26,080
at, you know, livewire.com, uh, and that

553
00:19:27,340 --> 00:19:30,040
you say, okay, I, this, he's given me

554
00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:34,640
this as his payment, uh, address, but I

555
00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,920
don't know what I can send him in

556
00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:37,100
that.

557
00:19:37,180 --> 00:19:38,060
Now let's talk.

558
00:19:38,540 --> 00:19:40,140
We're, we're talking about this and we're going

559
00:19:40,140 --> 00:19:41,480
to come up with an, I'm going to

560
00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,140
actually go back to a similar issue when

561
00:19:44,140 --> 00:19:48,280
it comes to, um, in a moment when

562
00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,160
it comes to talking about Alex Gates's proposal

563
00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:51,080
for the meta boost.

564
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,140
So we'll, you know, stick a pin in

565
00:19:55,140 --> 00:19:56,920
this concept because we're going to come back

566
00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:58,820
to it because the, that's the, that's the

567
00:19:58,820 --> 00:20:01,160
issue is the Ellen URLP assumed bolt 11.

568
00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,640
And now we're saying, okay, wait, we can't

569
00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:04,440
assume bolt 11.

570
00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:05,720
We can't assume a key send.

571
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:06,740
We can't assume anything.

572
00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,860
Let's ask the, let's ask the owner of

573
00:20:10,860 --> 00:20:13,900
the payment address what they can accept.

574
00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,260
And when you do that, we, you need

575
00:20:17,260 --> 00:20:17,800
a new format.

576
00:20:18,020 --> 00:20:18,780
And that's what we built.

577
00:20:18,860 --> 00:20:20,140
We built the options file.

578
00:20:20,900 --> 00:20:22,800
And this was under the advice of Roy

579
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,060
who said, Hey, just build, build it.

580
00:20:26,120 --> 00:20:27,800
There needs to be a way to specify

581
00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,300
the different payment formats that the other side

582
00:20:30,300 --> 00:20:30,800
accepts.

583
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:34,200
So now instead of just seeing a lightning

584
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,480
address, assuming it's bolt 11 and asking for

585
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,020
a payment invoice, now you see the lightning

586
00:20:41,020 --> 00:20:45,120
address, you query an options file that says,

587
00:20:45,340 --> 00:20:48,740
okay, here's the different payment methods I accept.

588
00:20:48,820 --> 00:20:50,760
Is it key send, bolt 11, bolt 12,

589
00:20:50,900 --> 00:20:51,460
or all three?

590
00:20:51,660 --> 00:20:54,260
So you can put multiple ones into your

591
00:20:54,260 --> 00:20:56,840
Ellen address, uh, well-known file.

592
00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:58,280
Well-known options.

593
00:20:58,500 --> 00:20:58,980
Well-known options.

594
00:20:59,140 --> 00:21:00,040
Ah, okay.

595
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,880
So that, that's the part I was confused

596
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:02,100
about.

597
00:21:02,180 --> 00:21:03,700
So you can put different ones in there.

598
00:21:03,780 --> 00:21:04,480
That's cool.

599
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:05,380
Yes.

600
00:21:05,460 --> 00:21:09,180
So Dave at podcastindex.org may be, may,

601
00:21:09,340 --> 00:21:11,220
might be a lightning address.

602
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,240
And in the past that was always going

603
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,380
to be assumed to be LNURLP, which is

604
00:21:15,380 --> 00:21:15,920
bolt 11.

605
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,560
Now you can look up the options file

606
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,840
and get back.

607
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:22,340
Oh, I see here.

608
00:21:22,380 --> 00:21:24,220
I can, I can pay Dave through key

609
00:21:24,220 --> 00:21:25,760
send or bolt 12 as well.

610
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:26,080
Okay.

611
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,500
So just so I understand, so I will

612
00:21:28,500 --> 00:21:30,660
have to, as a, as a sovereign individual

613
00:21:30,660 --> 00:21:33,240
with my start nine, I will somewhere have

614
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,520
to create this file that can be accessed

615
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,840
that has my, uh, well-known options in

616
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:40,060
it.

617
00:21:41,180 --> 00:21:41,640
Yes.

618
00:21:42,460 --> 00:21:44,900
If, if you're sovereign, yes, if you're sovereign,

619
00:21:45,020 --> 00:21:46,360
you will have to do that yourself in

620
00:21:46,360 --> 00:21:46,740
some way.

621
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:47,280
Okay.

622
00:21:47,780 --> 00:21:49,860
But even if I use strike, I'll have

623
00:21:49,860 --> 00:21:50,540
to use that.

624
00:21:50,580 --> 00:21:52,020
I'll have to get one of those somewhere.

625
00:21:52,700 --> 00:21:54,960
If you're using strike to receive, yes.

626
00:21:56,740 --> 00:21:59,240
And, uh, yeah, we have no idea where

627
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,760
those come from, uh, from Jesus.

628
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:07,890
If I pray hard enough, you pray and

629
00:22:07,890 --> 00:22:09,050
you're delivered one.

630
00:22:11,790 --> 00:22:12,270
Okay.

631
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:15,030
So that's something that, that, uh, that sounds

632
00:22:15,030 --> 00:22:16,470
like a service by the way.

633
00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:19,190
It sounds like a service.

634
00:22:19,390 --> 00:22:21,110
I mean, I mean, well, I mean, I'll

635
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:23,410
be, I'll be in fountain and yeah, they

636
00:22:23,410 --> 00:22:24,290
essentially have that.

637
00:22:24,350 --> 00:22:24,510
Right.

638
00:22:24,530 --> 00:22:26,410
I mean, I can, I can use my

639
00:22:26,410 --> 00:22:26,750
dad.

640
00:22:26,750 --> 00:22:27,170
Yeah.

641
00:22:27,330 --> 00:22:28,550
So I would love that.

642
00:22:28,670 --> 00:22:29,990
I would love to just be, that'd be

643
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:33,330
super easy to use my, uh, my, my,

644
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:34,230
uh, what is it?

645
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:35,950
Adam at get Albie.com.

646
00:22:36,770 --> 00:22:39,350
And then, and, and, and it went and

647
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:41,430
I can then connect through them.

648
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:43,230
I guess I can connect whatever wallet I

649
00:22:43,230 --> 00:22:45,450
want through Nostra wallet connect or whatever it's

650
00:22:45,450 --> 00:22:45,690
called.

651
00:22:45,690 --> 00:22:45,990
Right.

652
00:22:47,150 --> 00:22:47,530
Right.

653
00:22:47,610 --> 00:22:47,790
Yeah.

654
00:22:47,930 --> 00:22:48,410
Oh, okay.

655
00:22:48,530 --> 00:22:49,190
Yeah, exactly.

656
00:22:49,330 --> 00:22:51,150
So you would, you would have, yes.

657
00:22:51,150 --> 00:22:53,510
Cause strike strike supports, uh, you know, Ellen

658
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:54,050
URLP.

659
00:22:55,150 --> 00:22:58,870
Uh, so you went through there, here, here's

660
00:22:58,870 --> 00:23:00,810
the way you would munch this together.

661
00:23:02,170 --> 00:23:02,650
Strikes.

662
00:23:02,790 --> 00:23:04,690
If you're using strike as yours, as your

663
00:23:04,690 --> 00:23:08,050
pay, as your destination wallet in your podcaster,

664
00:23:09,050 --> 00:23:11,550
you would have, you would needs, you would

665
00:23:11,550 --> 00:23:14,050
need an options file, a well-known options

666
00:23:14,050 --> 00:23:15,990
file that lives at the payment address location

667
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:17,230
that you've designated.

668
00:23:17,230 --> 00:23:22,370
And then in that options file, one of

669
00:23:22,370 --> 00:23:24,590
the, one of the options for your bolt

670
00:23:24,590 --> 00:23:28,530
11 option, you're going to return the strike

671
00:23:28,530 --> 00:23:31,230
Ellen URP in point that belongs to you.

672
00:23:31,490 --> 00:23:31,630
Right.

673
00:23:31,770 --> 00:23:32,170
Right.

674
00:23:32,170 --> 00:23:32,330
Got it.

675
00:23:33,570 --> 00:23:37,010
So it allows the app to look up

676
00:23:37,010 --> 00:23:38,810
what it can send you.

677
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:39,910
Got it.

678
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:43,250
So it's another, it's another, it's another lookup

679
00:23:43,250 --> 00:23:43,690
step.

680
00:23:46,430 --> 00:23:49,410
Um, you know, but which can potentially be

681
00:23:49,410 --> 00:23:52,170
cashed for a little bit, I guess.

682
00:23:52,510 --> 00:23:52,670
Sure.

683
00:23:52,890 --> 00:23:53,150
Sure.

684
00:23:53,210 --> 00:23:53,370
Yeah.

685
00:23:53,610 --> 00:23:54,010
Yeah.

686
00:23:54,110 --> 00:23:54,310
Right.

687
00:23:56,210 --> 00:23:56,610
Okay.

688
00:23:56,690 --> 00:23:58,510
So I'll be, we'll be able to provide

689
00:23:58,510 --> 00:24:01,370
me that, uh, Ellen address, uh, lookup file.

690
00:24:02,190 --> 00:24:04,570
I think, I mean, that's, I think so.

691
00:24:04,610 --> 00:24:05,650
That's the impression I got.

692
00:24:05,710 --> 00:24:07,170
That's the impression I got that they would

693
00:24:07,170 --> 00:24:08,550
be, which I, which is great.

694
00:24:08,550 --> 00:24:11,010
I mean, that would actually, I mean, the

695
00:24:11,010 --> 00:24:13,870
way it seems to me in this scenario

696
00:24:13,870 --> 00:24:17,170
is that Albie can still play a very

697
00:24:17,170 --> 00:24:21,530
important role by, by keeping everyone.

698
00:24:21,850 --> 00:24:23,950
So, you know, I'll be, if you use

699
00:24:23,950 --> 00:24:27,930
your Albie address, uh, and you use Nostra

700
00:24:27,930 --> 00:24:29,950
wallet connect to connect to, I'm just going

701
00:24:29,950 --> 00:24:33,330
to use strike as an example, then not

702
00:24:33,330 --> 00:24:34,730
much would have to change.

703
00:24:34,730 --> 00:24:38,910
If I'm using Podverse, I can still use

704
00:24:38,910 --> 00:24:40,050
my Albie API.

705
00:24:40,730 --> 00:24:43,610
I'm just connecting that address.

706
00:24:43,730 --> 00:24:45,310
No longer, I no longer have a wallet

707
00:24:45,310 --> 00:24:45,550
there.

708
00:24:45,650 --> 00:24:48,550
I connected through their Nostra wallet connect service

709
00:24:48,550 --> 00:24:49,490
to strike.

710
00:24:49,670 --> 00:24:51,570
Am I thinking properly that way?

711
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:54,270
Uh, yes, I think so.

712
00:24:54,290 --> 00:24:57,530
I mean, if, if Albie supports it, you

713
00:24:57,530 --> 00:24:59,190
know, and I, and I think my understanding

714
00:24:59,190 --> 00:25:02,170
is that they're going to support the lookup

715
00:25:02,170 --> 00:25:04,670
and that would be great.

716
00:25:07,070 --> 00:25:10,770
So, you know, we'll, we'll see what they

717
00:25:10,770 --> 00:25:11,190
come up with.

718
00:25:11,270 --> 00:25:12,670
I mean, I think they're grumpy about it

719
00:25:12,670 --> 00:25:13,630
and I don't blame them.

720
00:25:13,810 --> 00:25:15,090
Why are they grumpy about it?

721
00:25:15,170 --> 00:25:16,770
Don't they want people using, I thought that

722
00:25:16,770 --> 00:25:17,510
that's what they wanted.

723
00:25:17,570 --> 00:25:19,090
I thought they were happy about it.

724
00:25:19,570 --> 00:25:20,070
No, no, no.

725
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:21,510
I don't, I'm not, I'm not being ugly

726
00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:21,810
about it.

727
00:25:21,810 --> 00:25:23,770
I'm just saying, I think like, I don't,

728
00:25:23,870 --> 00:25:25,810
you know, I don't think I get the

729
00:25:25,810 --> 00:25:27,350
impression that Boomi didn't want to have to,

730
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:29,690
you know, jump through another set of protocols

731
00:25:29,690 --> 00:25:30,570
and I get it.

732
00:25:30,670 --> 00:25:32,050
It was their idea.

733
00:25:32,990 --> 00:25:33,630
No, no.

734
00:25:33,630 --> 00:25:35,810
Well, the Ellen address was their idea.

735
00:25:35,930 --> 00:25:36,110
No.

736
00:25:37,030 --> 00:25:39,370
Yeah, but the options file, I don't think

737
00:25:39,370 --> 00:25:42,050
was, you know, I think, I think we

738
00:25:42,050 --> 00:25:44,970
just could, but it's good for everybody though.

739
00:25:45,150 --> 00:25:48,110
Ultimately, Roy, Roy, I think Roy was right.

740
00:25:48,170 --> 00:25:50,670
I mean, you just need, you need, you

741
00:25:50,670 --> 00:25:51,690
know, and again, we're going to talk about

742
00:25:51,690 --> 00:25:53,850
this with, with Alex's thing.

743
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:56,710
You're going to need some level of, you

744
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:58,030
gotta have an extraction layer.

745
00:25:58,150 --> 00:26:00,130
If you're gonna, if you're gonna do abstraction,

746
00:26:00,510 --> 00:26:02,210
here's the thing, if you're going to do

747
00:26:02,210 --> 00:26:03,770
abstraction, you better, you need to go all

748
00:26:03,770 --> 00:26:04,390
the way with it.

749
00:26:04,530 --> 00:26:05,170
Yeah, I agree.

750
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:06,010
Might as well go.

751
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:06,770
Don't half-ass it.

752
00:26:06,790 --> 00:26:08,030
Yeah, do it, do it right.

753
00:26:08,110 --> 00:26:09,390
Do it, do it, just do it.

754
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:14,330
Yeah, I mean, you know, because it's like,

755
00:26:14,550 --> 00:26:17,290
okay, now we've hamstrung ourself and two years

756
00:26:17,290 --> 00:26:18,310
from now, we're going to have to go

757
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:20,990
through this whole thing again for this new

758
00:26:20,990 --> 00:26:21,770
payment model.

759
00:26:22,330 --> 00:26:25,330
You know, it's just, I don't think, yeah,

760
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:26,770
you just get, you better go ahead and

761
00:26:26,770 --> 00:26:27,750
do it right the first time.

762
00:26:27,910 --> 00:26:28,490
I'm with you.

763
00:26:28,570 --> 00:26:28,890
Okay.

764
00:26:29,270 --> 00:26:30,310
That piece we've got.

765
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:35,650
Now, the next piece is the payment information

766
00:26:35,650 --> 00:26:36,150
piece.

767
00:26:37,550 --> 00:26:37,910
The metadata.

768
00:26:38,150 --> 00:26:38,570
The metadata.

769
00:26:38,850 --> 00:26:40,230
And I just want to give my two

770
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:41,770
cents before you kick into this.

771
00:26:42,490 --> 00:26:43,190
Yeah, go for it.

772
00:26:44,190 --> 00:26:46,110
What I've seen is a lot of discussion

773
00:26:46,110 --> 00:26:50,710
about should the RSS feed determine where the,

774
00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:53,790
where the, where the podcaster wants that information

775
00:26:53,790 --> 00:26:57,170
stored or is that something on the sender

776
00:26:57,170 --> 00:26:57,550
side?

777
00:26:57,550 --> 00:27:01,290
And although I am agnostic, I would say

778
00:27:01,290 --> 00:27:03,550
that to date, it has always been the

779
00:27:03,550 --> 00:27:06,050
sender side that has been responsible for getting

780
00:27:06,050 --> 00:27:07,890
all the information to the recipient.

781
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:12,110
And there's been no, no control files, no

782
00:27:12,110 --> 00:27:14,870
information in the feed itself about that particular

783
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:16,950
information because it was being sent along with

784
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:21,050
the payment in the, in the TLV record.

785
00:27:21,050 --> 00:27:24,970
So for my thinking, my thinking is it

786
00:27:24,970 --> 00:27:28,350
makes sense for the sender to be responsible

787
00:27:28,350 --> 00:27:28,930
for that.

788
00:27:29,970 --> 00:27:30,710
PodSage, go.

789
00:27:33,150 --> 00:27:35,590
You caught me with a mouthful of cork.

790
00:27:37,170 --> 00:27:37,690
Okay.

791
00:27:39,710 --> 00:27:45,960
Yeah, but the, the sender, but I mean,

792
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,460
the difference in the past though, is the

793
00:27:47,460 --> 00:27:49,540
sender only had, the sender was sending the

794
00:27:49,540 --> 00:27:50,800
metadata with the payment.

795
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,360
So the payment, they're, they're in a bundle.

796
00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:53,860
I understand.

797
00:27:54,220 --> 00:27:54,540
I understand.

798
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,020
So, I mean, now, now this is different.

799
00:27:58,260 --> 00:27:58,380
Okay.

800
00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:58,820
Yeah.

801
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,140
That's why I said I'm agnostic.

802
00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:01,220
I was just setting up.

803
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,160
You just reiterated what I said.

804
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:03,620
Thank you.

805
00:28:04,340 --> 00:28:04,660
Okay.

806
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,600
So I think, I think this preserves your

807
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,420
sense of, of that whole thing though.

808
00:28:10,660 --> 00:28:10,900
Okay.

809
00:28:11,020 --> 00:28:16,120
So Alex's proposal is why don't we put,

810
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,860
since they're going to be separated, why don't

811
00:28:20,860 --> 00:28:25,960
we put in the feed the, the location

812
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,560
that this data is going to, and I'm

813
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,660
going to be very specific about my language

814
00:28:30,660 --> 00:28:30,880
here.

815
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:31,140
Okay.

816
00:28:32,540 --> 00:28:36,760
Why don't we put in the feed a

817
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:41,120
web location where this data will be interchanged?

818
00:28:42,180 --> 00:28:44,780
It doesn't mean that that's where the data

819
00:28:44,780 --> 00:28:45,860
has to live.

820
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,860
It just means that if you want to

821
00:28:48,860 --> 00:28:54,380
get metadata and payment boost metadata, i.e.

822
00:28:54,580 --> 00:28:57,940
the TLV record, if you want to get

823
00:28:57,940 --> 00:29:04,500
that information into a place that the podcaster

824
00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:06,960
can use it, or if you want to

825
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,880
get it back out of a place where

826
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,260
the podcaster owns it, here's the protocol that

827
00:29:12,260 --> 00:29:16,000
you're going to use to interface, to get

828
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:16,900
it in and out.

829
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:22,020
So that means this is very similar to

830
00:29:22,020 --> 00:29:24,540
podping by the podping.cloud, by the way.

831
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:33,860
Podping.cloud is not, is not podping.

832
00:29:35,060 --> 00:29:37,800
Podping.cloud is an interface into podping.

833
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,960
So if you want to send podpings, one

834
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,880
way you can do it is through podping

835
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,720
.cloud. It's a standardized protocol.

836
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,920
It's just an HTTP endpoint.

837
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,240
And it says, okay, if you want to

838
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,000
send a podping, here's how you do it

839
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,760
through podping.cloud. You're going to send us

840
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,380
an HTTP request and it's going to have

841
00:30:01,380 --> 00:30:02,560
to look like this, and it's going to

842
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:03,080
be this.

843
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,400
And once you do that, we're going to

844
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,520
take it, and then we're going to send

845
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,240
it to the Hive blockchain for you on

846
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:13,800
your behalf.

847
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,180
That's similar to what Alex is proposing here.

848
00:30:20,340 --> 00:30:23,460
He's saying, why don't we have a standardized

849
00:30:23,460 --> 00:30:28,420
protocol, a REST or a REST-based protocol

850
00:30:29,180 --> 00:30:33,260
where you send, where if you need to

851
00:30:33,260 --> 00:30:38,080
send payment proofs or retrieve payment proofs, here's

852
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,960
the location, here's the endpoint location and the

853
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,020
data interchange format, the API spec.

854
00:30:44,700 --> 00:30:47,980
Now, what you do with that metadata on

855
00:30:47,980 --> 00:30:51,260
the backend, once you receive it as the

856
00:30:51,260 --> 00:30:53,760
podcaster or as the service providing the service

857
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,300
to the podcaster, what you do with those

858
00:30:56,300 --> 00:30:58,120
payment proofs, that's your business.

859
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,600
You can take those payment proofs and then

860
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,120
stick it on Nostr, XMPP.

861
00:31:03,620 --> 00:31:05,240
You can stick it in, you can do

862
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:06,100
whatever you want.

863
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,620
Wherever it lives beyond that, that is not

864
00:31:10,620 --> 00:31:11,240
of concern.

865
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,820
But in order to be able to have

866
00:31:14,820 --> 00:31:19,420
a sort of a universal way that apps

867
00:31:19,420 --> 00:31:25,320
can speak metadata, a payment proof, this would

868
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,360
be the language of payment proof interchange.

869
00:31:29,980 --> 00:31:31,160
Now, understood.

870
00:31:31,740 --> 00:31:34,580
Is this something that could or should live

871
00:31:34,580 --> 00:31:36,960
in the LN address options file, or is

872
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,140
this another lookup that has to be performed

873
00:31:39,140 --> 00:31:39,880
by the app?

874
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,440
It wouldn't necessarily be a lookup.

875
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,040
I could see where it would be sometimes

876
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,180
beneficial for if you're going beyond podcasting, I

877
00:31:53,180 --> 00:31:54,800
can see where this would be beneficial to

878
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,240
have it in the LN address options file.

879
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,920
It could be there if you wanted to

880
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,960
sort of like get beyond the podcasting use

881
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,880
case, but it doesn't have to.

882
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:15,880
Like, I'm really kind of agnostic on that

883
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:16,240
point.

884
00:32:16,780 --> 00:32:18,280
It could or it...

885
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,740
Well, the reason why I ask is because

886
00:32:20,740 --> 00:32:23,060
if it's one thing to say, okay, we're

887
00:32:23,060 --> 00:32:27,160
replacing value block in feeds with an LN

888
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,860
address lookup file, or LN address, which points

889
00:32:31,860 --> 00:32:32,640
to a lookup file.

890
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,800
It's another thing for hosting companies.

891
00:32:34,860 --> 00:32:36,600
I'm thinking on their behalf right now.

892
00:32:37,210 --> 00:32:39,660
Now they have to add another field into

893
00:32:39,660 --> 00:32:42,100
the feed for the metadata information.

894
00:32:42,700 --> 00:32:44,800
So that's the only reason why I thought

895
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,140
maybe it's just simpler to add all of

896
00:32:47,140 --> 00:32:50,140
that into the LN address lookup file, options

897
00:32:50,140 --> 00:32:50,740
lookup file.

898
00:32:51,380 --> 00:32:51,960
Possible.

899
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:53,460
Yeah, it's possible.

900
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,520
I mean, this is sort of...

901
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:04,500
Alex is proposing using JPTs, the JSON payment

902
00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:09,340
token for the proof, for the signed proof.

903
00:33:09,860 --> 00:33:14,420
And that's agnostic to podcasting.

904
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,960
It's not domain specific to what we're doing.

905
00:33:17,060 --> 00:33:19,200
So that's generic enough to pull out and

906
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,540
put that into an options file.

907
00:33:22,260 --> 00:33:24,520
I think this can evolve.

908
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:25,500
It could go...

909
00:33:25,500 --> 00:33:27,180
I could see it going either way.

910
00:33:28,020 --> 00:33:30,300
I'm just looking from the hosting company standpoint

911
00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:33,280
of putting yet another thing that they need

912
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,160
to add into the feed.

913
00:33:34,260 --> 00:33:35,300
I mean, it happens all the time.

914
00:33:35,980 --> 00:33:38,720
It's just you're adding more complexity.

915
00:33:40,340 --> 00:33:42,640
Again, I'm just talking out of my butt

916
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:43,460
because what do I know?

917
00:33:44,380 --> 00:33:46,220
Well, the benefit of doing it in the

918
00:33:46,220 --> 00:33:49,100
feed, like anything, I think there's probably some

919
00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:49,640
trade-offs here.

920
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,840
The benefit of doing it in the feed

921
00:33:51,840 --> 00:34:00,800
is that you may have podcast apps that

922
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,800
don't support payments but still want to show

923
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,220
some of this data.

924
00:34:06,380 --> 00:34:08,620
Maybe they don't have listener wallets, but if

925
00:34:08,620 --> 00:34:10,600
it's in the feed, they could still speak

926
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:16,280
the language to do that.

927
00:34:17,260 --> 00:34:18,320
Say that again.

928
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:19,380
Just repeat that for me.

929
00:34:19,380 --> 00:34:20,480
I got to parse that.

930
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,380
Well, let's say that you just have like

931
00:34:25,380 --> 00:34:26,280
a pod page.

932
00:34:28,060 --> 00:34:33,219
They may not support paying a podcast, boosting

933
00:34:33,219 --> 00:34:35,780
a podcast through Lightning, but they might want

934
00:34:35,780 --> 00:34:41,360
to show boosts on your pod page under

935
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,040
the episodes with all the comments and with

936
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,159
all these kinds of things, but they want

937
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:46,960
to make sure that they only show verified

938
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:47,340
ones.

939
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,260
Oh, okay.

940
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,460
So that would be a use case where

941
00:34:51,460 --> 00:34:52,760
it would be more helpful to have it

942
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,360
in the feed because they don't have payment

943
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:54,940
infrastructure.

944
00:34:56,060 --> 00:34:58,300
They could maybe look up the LN URL,

945
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,640
the LN pay address, but it might just

946
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,160
be easier to have it in the feed.

947
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:03,000
Okay.

948
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:04,420
All right.

949
00:35:04,780 --> 00:35:07,080
And Alex is in the boardroom.

950
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,120
He makes a good point.

951
00:35:09,020 --> 00:35:12,160
He's talking about Monero doesn't really have this

952
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,420
options file type of thing.

953
00:35:13,420 --> 00:35:15,520
If we do it in this sort of

954
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,220
payment agnostic way where it's in the feed.

955
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:19,560
Right.

956
00:35:19,660 --> 00:35:21,180
You don't need an options file if you're

957
00:35:21,180 --> 00:35:22,480
going to use Monero as value.

958
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:23,020
I got it.

959
00:35:23,140 --> 00:35:23,620
I got it.

960
00:35:23,780 --> 00:35:23,900
Right.

961
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,140
But that's up to the LN URL people.

962
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:29,740
But hold on a second.

963
00:35:30,500 --> 00:35:31,160
I'm sorry.

964
00:35:31,260 --> 00:35:32,200
Sorry to interrupt.

965
00:35:32,580 --> 00:35:33,960
Because this is important.

966
00:35:34,180 --> 00:35:35,620
So let's say there's a new token that

967
00:35:35,620 --> 00:35:36,140
comes along.

968
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:36,720
It's Monero.

969
00:35:37,020 --> 00:35:39,100
They want to utilize value for value.

970
00:35:39,220 --> 00:35:39,840
Totally valid.

971
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,820
Even the naming of LN address is a

972
00:35:45,820 --> 00:35:49,200
misnomer because it's payment specific.

973
00:35:49,460 --> 00:35:51,540
Should it not be even more agnostic than

974
00:35:51,540 --> 00:35:51,820
that?

975
00:35:52,580 --> 00:35:54,260
So that in the future, maybe, you know,

976
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,400
I don't know, real time payments from Fed

977
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:56,720
now.

978
00:35:56,860 --> 00:35:58,180
I'm just, you know, there's all kinds of

979
00:35:58,180 --> 00:36:01,160
things that could become available to put into

980
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,120
that payment options file.

981
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,460
Do we want to even name that LN

982
00:36:05,460 --> 00:36:05,940
address?

983
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:08,100
It doesn't matter what it's called, but just

984
00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:09,120
you understand my point?

985
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,780
Shouldn't all payment go in there so that

986
00:36:12,780 --> 00:36:15,920
you can say, well, I prefer Monero, but

987
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,160
fall back to LN URL pay or PayPal

988
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,640
or I don't know what, I mean, whatever

989
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:21,620
is coming in the future.

990
00:36:22,780 --> 00:36:22,900
Yeah.

991
00:36:22,980 --> 00:36:25,760
But that you're talking about when I'm, when

992
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,000
I've, if I'm a, if I'm a podcaster,

993
00:36:31,020 --> 00:36:33,180
if I'm a podcaster and I've said, okay,

994
00:36:33,180 --> 00:36:34,340
I have a lightning address.

995
00:36:35,700 --> 00:36:36,460
Here it is.

996
00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:37,480
I can accept lightning.

997
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,600
I've put that into my value block as

998
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:41,000
lightning.

999
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:43,200
Ah, okay.

1000
00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:43,920
I'm with you.

1001
00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:45,960
So a Monero guy is going to put

1002
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,620
that value block in there as Monero.

1003
00:36:47,620 --> 00:36:49,080
So that's going to be a completely different

1004
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:49,460
thing.

1005
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:50,480
Got it.

1006
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:50,840
Okay.

1007
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,240
I'm just thinking you might want to have

1008
00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:56,080
a fallback, but whatever.

1009
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,380
Monero guys probably don't.

1010
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,220
Well, the Monero guy will have a, you

1011
00:37:03,220 --> 00:37:05,700
know, they'll, they'll just have a different, a

1012
00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:07,940
different payment type in the, in the value

1013
00:37:07,940 --> 00:37:08,620
recipient.

1014
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:09,840
Yeah.

1015
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,420
Value type or yeah.

1016
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:11,800
Right.

1017
00:37:11,900 --> 00:37:12,380
Payment type.

1018
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,820
So LN address, the law options look up

1019
00:37:14,820 --> 00:37:16,060
and all of a sudden everything comes into

1020
00:37:16,060 --> 00:37:16,240
it.

1021
00:37:16,300 --> 00:37:16,560
Okay.

1022
00:37:16,860 --> 00:37:17,240
Okay.

1023
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,280
Well, that sounds mighty complicated.

1024
00:37:21,620 --> 00:37:22,100
Yeah.

1025
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:24,600
All right.

1026
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,380
Does it, does everybody have enough to work

1027
00:37:26,380 --> 00:37:26,960
with from here?

1028
00:37:27,060 --> 00:37:28,680
I mean, I don't think we have to

1029
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,480
beat this course even deader than it already

1030
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:31,920
is.

1031
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,380
I mean, it seems like this thing is

1032
00:37:33,380 --> 00:37:37,940
a bloody stump at this point, but, but,

1033
00:37:37,940 --> 00:37:41,500
but, but let's, let's all just, I think

1034
00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:43,840
Steve, I think Steven B, God bless him

1035
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,460
has made some great points this week.

1036
00:37:47,940 --> 00:37:51,000
This, this, the, the thing, these problems we're

1037
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:57,540
trying to solve, these are payment infrastructure problems,

1038
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,920
which is not trivial, insignificant.

1039
00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:00,820
No, it's not true.

1040
00:38:00,820 --> 00:38:04,480
No, these are, we're, we are doing things

1041
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:05,400
that are hard.

1042
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,600
And when you do hard things, you're going

1043
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:09,820
to have to make trade-offs.

1044
00:38:09,940 --> 00:38:10,900
Things are going to suck.

1045
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,180
Sometimes, you know, things are going to break.

1046
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:15,640
People are going to disagree.

1047
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,560
Like all of these, all of those things

1048
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,080
are going to happen because these are hard

1049
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:21,480
things.

1050
00:38:21,700 --> 00:38:24,120
So it's the pod stage.

1051
00:38:24,660 --> 00:38:26,480
These are hard things.

1052
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:27,940
It might suck.

1053
00:38:28,820 --> 00:38:32,760
The, this, the great wisdom from at the

1054
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,840
top of the thousand stairs is things suck

1055
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,200
sometimes.

1056
00:38:38,420 --> 00:38:38,940
There you go.

1057
00:38:39,340 --> 00:38:39,720
Yeah.

1058
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,600
Things sometimes suck.

1059
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:42,460
Okay.

1060
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,060
Well, I, I, I feels like things are

1061
00:38:45,060 --> 00:38:48,580
underway and that people are building things and,

1062
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,180
and putting things together.

1063
00:38:50,180 --> 00:38:52,980
So it kind of feels like our typical

1064
00:38:52,980 --> 00:38:53,700
process.

1065
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:55,200
Yeah.

1066
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,340
Um, is everyone, uh, I mean, so.

1067
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,580
This is a rebuilding the plane in flight

1068
00:39:01,580 --> 00:39:02,120
process.

1069
00:39:02,460 --> 00:39:02,560
Yes.

1070
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:03,940
That's right.

1071
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:04,540
That's right.

1072
00:39:04,620 --> 00:39:05,860
That's exactly what it is.

1073
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,000
The first time we went through this, there

1074
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,520
was no, there was no payments flowing at

1075
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:10,740
all.

1076
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,120
And now there are, so, you know, obviously

1077
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,560
people don't want to mess that up.

1078
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,560
So, so on the, um, the JSON payment

1079
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,180
token, uh, you like this?

1080
00:39:22,420 --> 00:39:23,040
Oh yeah.

1081
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:23,960
No, I think it's great.

1082
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:24,160
Yeah.

1083
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,800
I'm a fan of, of that format.

1084
00:39:27,220 --> 00:39:30,640
Um, and Oscar can use that in his

1085
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,600
Nostra environment if he wants to go that

1086
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:32,860
way.

1087
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,960
Uh, yeah, it could be included for sure.

1088
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:37,480
Yeah.

1089
00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:38,040
It's pain.

1090
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,880
It's very agnostic to any sort of format.

1091
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,820
So, I mean, basically you just, you know,

1092
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,780
your site, you're just proving that you had

1093
00:39:44,780 --> 00:39:46,380
the pre-image by signing it and sending

1094
00:39:46,380 --> 00:39:49,920
it back, uh, with your, with your payment

1095
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,120
data and the, you know, no, I like,

1096
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,260
I like the format, but there again, you

1097
00:39:58,260 --> 00:40:05,100
can have the, the MetaBoost API, the MetaBoost

1098
00:40:05,100 --> 00:40:13,160
API, um, protocol that's being proposed in the,

1099
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,900
you know, in the MetaBoost tag spec, uh,

1100
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:16,440
proposal.

1101
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,760
Let me see, let me, let me get

1102
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,260
the discussion number real quick.

1103
00:40:22,500 --> 00:40:24,420
I think he posted it in the boardroom.

1104
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:26,240
Oh, okay.

1105
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,020
It's a discussion number 676 on, on the

1106
00:40:30,020 --> 00:40:31,360
GitHub name space repo.

1107
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:32,800
Six, seven, six.

1108
00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:34,200
Six, seven, six.

1109
00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:34,480
Yes.

1110
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,780
Um, that there, he links to an open

1111
00:40:39,780 --> 00:40:44,920
API, a Swagger spec there where you can,

1112
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,720
um, where you can grab that and stick

1113
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:52,220
it in a Swagger, um, a compatible API.

1114
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:53,480
I got Swagger.

1115
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:54,740
Yeah.

1116
00:40:55,100 --> 00:40:57,620
You can put that in a, in a

1117
00:40:57,620 --> 00:41:00,920
Swagger, a compatible API Explorer and, and look

1118
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,060
at the spec and, and hash, you know,

1119
00:41:04,060 --> 00:41:05,620
we can hash all that out on, on

1120
00:41:05,620 --> 00:41:07,620
the GitHub or in the spec or whatever.

1121
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:07,980
Okay.

1122
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,820
But again, that's an agnostic thing where you

1123
00:41:10,820 --> 00:41:13,740
can say, uh, this is just a way

1124
00:41:13,740 --> 00:41:16,020
to, a way to exchange payment proofs.

1125
00:41:17,460 --> 00:41:21,860
Then it, it removes this, it removes all

1126
00:41:21,860 --> 00:41:26,080
the angstiness around where these things go, whether

1127
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,140
it's Noster or something, you know, and it

1128
00:41:29,140 --> 00:41:33,060
just kinda, I like the fact that it

1129
00:41:33,060 --> 00:41:35,720
removes all of that stuff.

1130
00:41:36,620 --> 00:41:39,380
Um, and we don't have to say, you

1131
00:41:39,380 --> 00:41:42,160
know, Hey, you know, hey, just trust me.

1132
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:44,360
And we don't all have to just like

1133
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,160
start querying fountains relays for stuff.

1134
00:41:48,060 --> 00:41:52,820
This lets, this lets people actually say, okay,

1135
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,780
you want to see my payment data or

1136
00:41:55,780 --> 00:41:57,380
you want to send me payment data?

1137
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:58,220
I'll show you yours.

1138
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,260
I'll show you mine.

1139
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,820
I'll show you my payment data if you

1140
00:42:01,820 --> 00:42:02,080
show me.

1141
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,600
It, it lets people say, okay, here, well,

1142
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,560
here's where you go and here's how you

1143
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:10,240
interact with it.

1144
00:42:10,260 --> 00:42:11,560
And we all just know how to do

1145
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:11,740
it.

1146
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,260
And that gives people the opportunity to keep

1147
00:42:14,260 --> 00:42:16,300
things private if they want to have it

1148
00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:18,400
sent somewhere else or done somewhere else.

1149
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:19,680
That's kind of the idea.

1150
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:20,800
Yeah.

1151
00:42:20,860 --> 00:42:23,940
And it's also a single, a single, um,

1152
00:42:23,980 --> 00:42:24,760
point of failure.

1153
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,600
No, no, uh, uh, what am I trying

1154
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:30,840
to say?

1155
00:42:30,860 --> 00:42:35,100
It's, it's, it's a single request type situation,

1156
00:42:35,100 --> 00:42:38,720
whereas there's going to be, uh, there's going

1157
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:41,620
to be problems with, with a Noster lookup

1158
00:42:41,620 --> 00:42:43,260
because that's a web socket.

1159
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,620
Some clients may not want to keep that

1160
00:42:45,620 --> 00:42:46,360
socket open.

1161
00:42:47,260 --> 00:42:50,080
Uh, this is a little more simplistic because

1162
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,360
it's just an HTTP, you know, query.

1163
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,020
Um, so it's a little, it's a little

1164
00:42:55,020 --> 00:42:57,120
easier to handle, you know, than the web

1165
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:57,720
socket stuff.

1166
00:42:57,740 --> 00:43:00,480
So most, most apps could more easily come

1167
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,000
on board with something like this than they

1168
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,800
would be to build out web sockets.

1169
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:06,440
But anyway, it's, I like it.

1170
00:43:06,540 --> 00:43:07,000
I like it a lot.

1171
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:07,320
Okay.

1172
00:43:08,060 --> 00:43:08,540
Excellent.

1173
00:43:09,500 --> 00:43:09,980
Excellent.

1174
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,400
It's going to take time to, you know,

1175
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:13,160
flesh it all out.

1176
00:43:13,180 --> 00:43:13,960
We're on the road though.

1177
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,500
I'm loving how everybody's working together, questioning each

1178
00:43:17,500 --> 00:43:19,180
other, banging stuff around.

1179
00:43:19,660 --> 00:43:21,580
And I'll just reiterate one more time.

1180
00:43:21,660 --> 00:43:22,640
I've been talking about it.

1181
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,340
It started Thanksgiving, actually.

1182
00:43:24,460 --> 00:43:27,360
We did our Thanksgiving, some friends and go

1183
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:27,920
around the table.

1184
00:43:28,020 --> 00:43:28,920
What are you thankful for?

1185
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,520
And I said, I'm thankful.

1186
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:32,900
You said lightning address options.

1187
00:43:33,740 --> 00:43:34,220
Exactly.

1188
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:35,460
Well known.

1189
00:43:35,460 --> 00:43:36,180
And they were like, what?

1190
00:43:36,180 --> 00:43:36,940
Dot well known.

1191
00:43:38,180 --> 00:43:40,100
I'm thankful for dot well knowns.

1192
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,020
No, I said, I'm incredibly thankful for the

1193
00:43:43,020 --> 00:43:44,260
people in this community.

1194
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,060
And, and actually evolved into a larger discussion.

1195
00:43:47,180 --> 00:43:49,380
I said, you know, open, open source development

1196
00:43:49,380 --> 00:43:52,860
and open development communities blow up all the

1197
00:43:52,860 --> 00:43:53,240
time.

1198
00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:56,760
And usually within this four, almost five year

1199
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:57,120
period.

1200
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,200
So the fact that we're all still here

1201
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,960
and in one form or the other, you

1202
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,020
know, people come, people go, people come back.

1203
00:44:04,060 --> 00:44:05,280
I mean, that's, that's life.

1204
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,860
But the way that we are interacting with

1205
00:44:07,860 --> 00:44:11,280
each other is I'm so, I'm thankful.

1206
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:12,760
I'm just thankful for it.

1207
00:44:12,860 --> 00:44:15,320
It is, it is truly a thing of

1208
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:15,560
beauty.

1209
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,100
And I want everyone to just, you know,

1210
00:44:17,220 --> 00:44:20,460
just pause for a second and realize how

1211
00:44:20,460 --> 00:44:23,360
truly awesome this is because we come from

1212
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,840
different countries, different cultures, different backgrounds, different

1213
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:32,360
heritage, different political ideas, but we all are

1214
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,780
on the, basically on the same page if

1215
00:44:34,780 --> 00:44:36,100
we want to make it work.

1216
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,740
And this is the exact same vibe that

1217
00:44:38,740 --> 00:44:41,360
podcasting had over 20 years ago.

1218
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,240
It's the same vibe.

1219
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,160
And yeah, there's, you know, there's all kinds

1220
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,140
of stuff that happens.

1221
00:44:47,180 --> 00:44:49,200
All we had the Adam guys come in

1222
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,620
ATOM and they were like, well, I'm going

1223
00:44:51,620 --> 00:44:54,120
to stomp it over, you know, and, and

1224
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:55,860
there was some rage quitting, which we haven't

1225
00:44:55,860 --> 00:44:56,680
really seen here.

1226
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,180
Well, all the people that need to block

1227
00:44:59,180 --> 00:45:00,640
each other, they've already blocked each other.

1228
00:45:00,740 --> 00:45:01,500
So we're good on that.

1229
00:45:01,980 --> 00:45:03,580
They don't even see each other anymore.

1230
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:06,680
And that's okay too, because some people just

1231
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:07,520
need to block each other.

1232
00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:09,540
And that is the big difference.

1233
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,300
I'll say the Mastodon server where we, where

1234
00:45:12,300 --> 00:45:14,300
we hash stuff out has been, I think

1235
00:45:14,300 --> 00:45:16,840
a perfect way to do this for the

1236
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,040
reason you just said, when it's a, you

1237
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,360
know, back in the day, it was a,

1238
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:21,660
I think it was a Yahoo group.

1239
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:24,960
We had an email, a Yahoo group and,

1240
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,400
you know, and, and you can't really block

1241
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,540
people who post stuff who you want to

1242
00:45:29,540 --> 00:45:30,640
block because I just don't want to hear

1243
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,060
this person for whatever reason.

1244
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:33,840
And I'll see it leak through in other

1245
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:34,980
places from other people.

1246
00:45:35,260 --> 00:45:36,880
It's been a great way to do it.

1247
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:37,720
And it much better.

1248
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:38,920
I mean, the GitHub is good.

1249
00:45:38,980 --> 00:45:41,260
We get down to the technical details and

1250
00:45:41,260 --> 00:45:43,180
you, and you're talking about implementing stuff and,

1251
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,800
you know, the discussions there can go in

1252
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:45,820
and out and get a little bit heated,

1253
00:45:45,980 --> 00:45:48,820
but ultimately everybody comes back to, to our

1254
00:45:48,820 --> 00:45:52,400
safe space, you know, podcasting, social, it feels

1255
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:52,920
safe.

1256
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:55,040
Yeah.

1257
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:55,160
Yeah.

1258
00:45:56,180 --> 00:45:56,620
Yeah.

1259
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,940
I think, I think it's, um, I think

1260
00:45:58,940 --> 00:46:02,340
this, I think this community has lived, has

1261
00:46:02,340 --> 00:46:04,040
lived much longer than most do.

1262
00:46:04,700 --> 00:46:07,220
And, uh, that's, yeah, that's just a testament

1263
00:46:07,220 --> 00:46:10,480
to, I think the, the focus is people

1264
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,500
just, they're just focused on, on just getting

1265
00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:14,100
stuff done.

1266
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,700
I mean, it's not, you know, I just

1267
00:46:16,700 --> 00:46:18,460
want to, I just want to, everybody has

1268
00:46:18,460 --> 00:46:20,860
a similar want and that's just to make

1269
00:46:20,860 --> 00:46:24,460
the client, the podcast app experience better.

1270
00:46:24,460 --> 00:46:24,780
Yeah.

1271
00:46:25,340 --> 00:46:29,980
Um, you know, cause we're, we're singularly focused

1272
00:46:29,980 --> 00:46:31,160
on that one thing.

1273
00:46:31,220 --> 00:46:31,460
Yeah.

1274
00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:33,540
Everything else kinds of kind of goes into

1275
00:46:33,540 --> 00:46:33,940
fog.

1276
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:36,380
So both of my favorite shows in the

1277
00:46:36,380 --> 00:46:42,560
podcasting space, um, power, power, power, podcasting, weekly

1278
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:47,180
review, uh, and, uh, but also, uh, the

1279
00:46:47,180 --> 00:46:49,860
new media show both talked about the post

1280
00:46:49,860 --> 00:46:52,700
from Dave Weiner and I wanted to, uh,

1281
00:46:52,820 --> 00:46:55,060
throw my two cents in about what Dave

1282
00:46:55,060 --> 00:46:55,760
Weiner posted.

1283
00:46:56,460 --> 00:47:00,580
And, uh, I shouldn't actually be, uh, I

1284
00:47:00,580 --> 00:47:04,160
shouldn't, uh, misquote him because boy, you want

1285
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:05,300
to get Dave mad.

1286
00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:06,920
Misquote him.

1287
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:07,580
Yeah.

1288
00:47:07,660 --> 00:47:08,320
Misquote him.

1289
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,880
Uh, let me see.

1290
00:47:11,940 --> 00:47:14,420
He had, what was his post now?

1291
00:47:15,860 --> 00:47:18,500
Uh, he wanted to clarify is what he

1292
00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:18,780
said.

1293
00:47:18,780 --> 00:47:20,220
I think it came, where was it?

1294
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:21,020
Somewhere earlier.

1295
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:26,920
Um, here we go.

1296
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,320
If I wasn't clear enough yesterday, we're losing

1297
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,140
the word podcast very quickly.

1298
00:47:31,260 --> 00:47:33,480
It's coming to mean video interviews on YouTube.

1299
00:47:33,540 --> 00:47:34,020
Mostly.

1300
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,300
Our only hope is to upgrade the open

1301
00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:39,120
platform, a way that stimulates the imagination of

1302
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:39,600
creators.

1303
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,160
And there's no time to waste.

1304
00:47:41,420 --> 00:47:44,420
If you make a podcast client, it's time

1305
00:47:44,420 --> 00:47:46,980
to start collaborating with competitors and people who

1306
00:47:46,980 --> 00:47:50,420
create RSS based podcasts to take advantage of

1307
00:47:50,420 --> 00:47:51,500
the open platforms.

1308
00:47:51,980 --> 00:47:54,520
Otherwise, having a podcast will mean getting approved

1309
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,980
by Google, Apple, Spotify, Amazon, et cetera.

1310
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,000
And they, as we know, are nuzzling up

1311
00:47:59,000 --> 00:47:59,860
to the new government.

1312
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:00,560
Okay.

1313
00:48:00,700 --> 00:48:02,780
Thanks for making a political Dave who will

1314
00:48:02,780 --> 00:48:04,320
want to impose severe limits.

1315
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:04,580
Really?

1316
00:48:05,060 --> 00:48:07,560
This isn't a casual request, casual request.

1317
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:08,300
It's urgent.

1318
00:48:08,580 --> 00:48:11,460
So, um, a couple of things about that,

1319
00:48:11,460 --> 00:48:13,400
because that's being interpreted in many ways.

1320
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,020
I think the key here, and so first

1321
00:48:16,020 --> 00:48:16,880
of all, people are like, where are you

1322
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:17,240
been?

1323
00:48:17,380 --> 00:48:19,740
Like, okay, you know, wherever Dave is, he

1324
00:48:19,740 --> 00:48:20,760
can do whatever he wants.

1325
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:21,280
Who cares?

1326
00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:26,720
Um, and, and then I'll say right along

1327
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:27,320
with that.

1328
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:28,800
Oh no, I'll hold that for a second.

1329
00:48:29,860 --> 00:48:32,400
So where he hasn't been around, he knows

1330
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:32,920
about it.

1331
00:48:32,980 --> 00:48:36,040
You know, Dave and I know him reasonably

1332
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:37,440
well from our early days.

1333
00:48:38,660 --> 00:48:42,020
Um, uh, he gets mad about things.

1334
00:48:42,020 --> 00:48:45,440
So calling it podcasting 2.0, that's just

1335
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:46,840
flip the switch in his brain.

1336
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,460
He's like, I'm not a part of that.

1337
00:48:48,540 --> 00:48:49,460
That's not podcasting.

1338
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:50,580
So he misunderstood.

1339
00:48:51,180 --> 00:48:51,840
Doesn't matter.

1340
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:53,020
He may not like me.

1341
00:48:53,060 --> 00:48:54,060
He probably doesn't like me.

1342
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,060
Um, there's all kinds of reasons why he's

1343
00:48:57,060 --> 00:48:57,780
not been involved.

1344
00:48:57,900 --> 00:48:59,840
And now he's calling for something very specific.

1345
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:01,140
And I just want to explain what I

1346
00:49:01,140 --> 00:49:03,880
think he means and where I think he's

1347
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:04,300
right.

1348
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,500
And it's particularly about the podcast client.

1349
00:49:07,620 --> 00:49:09,140
So when he says client, that's a podcast

1350
00:49:09,140 --> 00:49:09,720
app.

1351
00:49:10,260 --> 00:49:14,200
Now, what Dave's vision has always been, has

1352
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:18,460
been to integrate OPML into podcasting.

1353
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,920
It got integrated early on and it basically

1354
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,440
became a subscription list.

1355
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:23,840
Okay.

1356
00:49:23,980 --> 00:49:25,140
There's a lot more you can do with

1357
00:49:25,140 --> 00:49:28,340
OPML, but as a subscription list, it's kind

1358
00:49:28,340 --> 00:49:31,600
of usable between most apps for importing and

1359
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:32,900
exporting your subscriptions.

1360
00:49:33,140 --> 00:49:34,240
Not a bad feature.

1361
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,080
What Dave wants is he wants to see

1362
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,780
more of what, um, the reason is that

1363
00:49:40,780 --> 00:49:43,240
people go to get podcasts on YouTube.

1364
00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:44,520
It's not because of the video.

1365
00:49:44,620 --> 00:49:46,300
I'm just going to say that it's not

1366
00:49:46,300 --> 00:49:47,060
because of the video.

1367
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,080
If it was really because of the video,

1368
00:49:49,620 --> 00:49:52,760
then Joe Rogan would be putting out video

1369
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,560
files in his RSS feed.

1370
00:49:55,020 --> 00:49:57,620
If it really, really, really mattered.

1371
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:58,640
It doesn't.

1372
00:49:58,780 --> 00:50:00,540
It's because of the platform.

1373
00:50:00,740 --> 00:50:02,860
The platform, it's where people are.

1374
00:50:02,860 --> 00:50:05,540
It's where there are some big name podcasts

1375
00:50:05,540 --> 00:50:08,740
that are indeed interviews with video with, you

1376
00:50:08,740 --> 00:50:10,180
know, with interesting subjects.

1377
00:50:10,340 --> 00:50:12,280
It is not the end all be all

1378
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:13,060
of podcasts.

1379
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,520
Otherwise, no agenda would do it.

1380
00:50:15,700 --> 00:50:17,740
Otherwise, a pivot would do it.

1381
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,280
Otherwise, NPR would do it.

1382
00:50:19,340 --> 00:50:21,800
None of these are all successful podcasts that

1383
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,120
don't have a video component.

1384
00:50:23,300 --> 00:50:25,340
People are able to find it just fine

1385
00:50:25,340 --> 00:50:26,440
without YouTube.

1386
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:33,320
There's external forces that want to, um, have

1387
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,820
people go onto platforms where you have first

1388
00:50:35,820 --> 00:50:38,440
party data, data where you already have advertising

1389
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:39,080
infrastructure.

1390
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:41,320
Those forces are very, very strong.

1391
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,240
That's the podcast industrial complex.

1392
00:50:43,340 --> 00:50:46,960
And if it infects people's minds like a

1393
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,580
worm in their brain, and that's why we

1394
00:50:48,580 --> 00:50:51,380
have this incessant nonstop talk about, should I

1395
00:50:51,380 --> 00:50:51,840
do video?

1396
00:50:51,900 --> 00:50:53,300
No, nobody cares.

1397
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,520
You either do video or you don't do

1398
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:55,900
video.

1399
00:50:55,900 --> 00:50:57,580
It has nothing to do with other than

1400
00:50:57,580 --> 00:50:59,800
people want you to be on YouTube because

1401
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:00,320
it's easy.

1402
00:51:00,420 --> 00:51:01,300
What does YouTube do?

1403
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:02,700
This is, we are, this is the same

1404
00:51:02,700 --> 00:51:05,360
cycle we saw with early blogging.

1405
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:06,720
Blogging was great.

1406
00:51:07,180 --> 00:51:08,460
People love blogging.

1407
00:51:08,860 --> 00:51:12,220
What blogging is to, was then is Nostr

1408
00:51:12,220 --> 00:51:12,560
today.

1409
00:51:13,100 --> 00:51:14,380
Why is Nostr not growing?

1410
00:51:14,500 --> 00:51:15,700
Because it's not exciting.

1411
00:51:15,820 --> 00:51:17,360
It's not that it's not exciting for the

1412
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:17,760
creator.

1413
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:19,240
That's where I disagree with Dave.

1414
00:51:19,860 --> 00:51:21,960
It's not exciting for the user.

1415
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:23,160
It's a utility.

1416
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:24,500
It's like a fork.

1417
00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:26,220
Let me go get some podcasts.

1418
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:27,680
Let me stick my fork into my app

1419
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:28,560
and I'll eat it.

1420
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:34,120
What is exciting about YouTube and TikTok is

1421
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:34,980
the algorithms.

1422
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,200
Algorithms present things.

1423
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,300
Algorithms can make something go viral.

1424
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,840
RSS almost by default cannot go viral with

1425
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,180
the apps that we have.

1426
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,440
This comes back to something I talked about

1427
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,080
a while ago with Rachel Maddow, where she's

1428
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,160
saying, how come these apps don't do anything?

1429
00:51:52,340 --> 00:51:52,980
They're not exciting.

1430
00:51:52,980 --> 00:51:56,720
I'm paraphrasing, but she's saying, no surprise, she

1431
00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:58,680
and Dave Weiner are on the same page.

1432
00:51:59,140 --> 00:52:00,320
They're not exciting.

1433
00:52:00,860 --> 00:52:02,500
Now, how can we make it exciting?

1434
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,060
I think Sam Sethi is already a long

1435
00:52:05,060 --> 00:52:05,280
way.

1436
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:06,320
He understands this.

1437
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,980
He's already a long way towards the goal.

1438
00:52:11,260 --> 00:52:13,160
None of us are going to do algorithms.

1439
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,720
We'll never have the horsepower to power our

1440
00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:18,000
apps with algos that look at everybody and

1441
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:18,860
make recommendations.

1442
00:52:18,860 --> 00:52:22,360
In Dave Weiner's world, this was something called

1443
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:23,760
share your OPML.

1444
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,740
You could upload your subscription file and then

1445
00:52:27,740 --> 00:52:28,820
you could mix and match.

1446
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,480
You can do all kinds of fun things

1447
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,720
if you have a central repository of people's

1448
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:33,220
subscriptions.

1449
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,740
Now you can get some recommendations and interesting

1450
00:52:36,740 --> 00:52:37,680
data out of there.

1451
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,600
That is how Dave Weiner thinks.

1452
00:52:39,620 --> 00:52:40,640
He doesn't think in APIs.

1453
00:52:40,820 --> 00:52:43,260
He thinks in feeds and just files.

1454
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,520
So I think that's very old-fashioned, although

1455
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,160
perfectly valid.

1456
00:52:49,860 --> 00:52:54,240
What Sam is doing with his activity data,

1457
00:52:54,340 --> 00:52:55,860
this is the kind of stuff you want.

1458
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,240
This is the kind of stuff you want

1459
00:52:57,240 --> 00:52:58,960
to work together on.

1460
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,980
And a version of that is comments.

1461
00:53:02,460 --> 00:53:03,040
That's true.

1462
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:07,340
A version of it, the illustrious, the ever

1463
00:53:07,340 --> 00:53:09,380
-just-out-of-reach cross-app comments.

1464
00:53:10,100 --> 00:53:10,320
Two weeks.

1465
00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:11,320
Coming in two weeks.

1466
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,400
But understanding what...

1467
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,540
So Fountain, in a way, is also kind

1468
00:53:16,540 --> 00:53:18,640
of doing this where you follow people on

1469
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:18,980
Nostr.

1470
00:53:18,980 --> 00:53:21,860
I find it confusing, but I understand the

1471
00:53:21,860 --> 00:53:25,940
idea is if I'm following someone, and this

1472
00:53:25,940 --> 00:53:30,600
is what TrueFans does, and also Fountain.

1473
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:32,460
I'm following Dave.

1474
00:53:33,180 --> 00:53:35,560
Suddenly something shows up in my timeline from

1475
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,160
Dave because he played or he subscribed to

1476
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,820
or listened to or he did something with

1477
00:53:40,820 --> 00:53:41,560
another podcast.

1478
00:53:41,780 --> 00:53:43,100
I like Dave Jones.

1479
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:44,080
I like Dave.

1480
00:53:44,500 --> 00:53:44,760
Whoa.

1481
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:46,240
What is Dave listening to?

1482
00:53:46,420 --> 00:53:46,680
Boom.

1483
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,380
Now, from there, I want to be able

1484
00:53:48,380 --> 00:53:49,960
to see who else is connected to this.

1485
00:53:50,540 --> 00:53:53,080
This is the surfing that kind of is

1486
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,620
a reverse algorithm that makes the product exciting.

1487
00:53:57,540 --> 00:54:00,040
The majority of our podcast apps are just

1488
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,000
utility, and nothing wrong with it that we

1489
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:02,760
made radios.

1490
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:07,800
Now, if we want to compete, and I

1491
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,820
don't really feel we have to, but I

1492
00:54:09,820 --> 00:54:12,960
feel there's a huge opportunity, and by accident,

1493
00:54:13,620 --> 00:54:16,420
you and I took our own advice and

1494
00:54:16,420 --> 00:54:19,460
we created Godcaster, which I'll tell a little

1495
00:54:19,460 --> 00:54:21,020
bit about here because it's a super secret

1496
00:54:21,020 --> 00:54:23,380
project, but people are learning about it now.

1497
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:27,760
It's a business-to-business product.

1498
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:32,280
It is a podcast player with a lot

1499
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,600
of functions, and we're very specific to a

1500
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:35,540
specific market.

1501
00:54:35,700 --> 00:54:37,720
At this point in time, it is faith

1502
00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:39,000
-based radio stations.

1503
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,200
So we give them a way, our pitch

1504
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:43,460
to them is we're giving them a way

1505
00:54:43,460 --> 00:54:49,040
to transition from towers and broadcast signals to

1506
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:53,280
a stream, and all of their nationally syndicated

1507
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,120
content that they already have now can be

1508
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,100
found in one place in their player, because

1509
00:54:59,100 --> 00:55:02,680
the Godcaster becomes their podcast player, which is

1510
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:06,840
managed by and made exciting by the manager

1511
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,280
of that radio station.

1512
00:55:08,700 --> 00:55:12,080
That's a very, very short view of what

1513
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:12,380
it is.

1514
00:55:12,380 --> 00:55:16,220
There's a lot more to it, but it

1515
00:55:16,220 --> 00:55:18,940
is an exciting product because it has an

1516
00:55:18,940 --> 00:55:19,360
opinion.

1517
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,740
The opinion is this is the type of

1518
00:55:21,740 --> 00:55:25,060
content we're showing, and that content is actually

1519
00:55:25,060 --> 00:55:27,340
being managed by someone who's doing that for

1520
00:55:27,340 --> 00:55:27,440
you.

1521
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,160
This could be done in many different ways,

1522
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,520
but it is an exciting podcast player.

1523
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:33,340
It's not an app.

1524
00:55:33,460 --> 00:55:35,080
It's not, you know, we're really not trying

1525
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:36,380
to compete with anybody here.

1526
00:55:36,540 --> 00:55:38,760
It's very, very specific for this audience.

1527
00:55:39,060 --> 00:55:41,480
We might expand, but this is where it

1528
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,600
starts, and we're seeing great success.

1529
00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:49,840
People really enjoy this, and wherever you get

1530
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,820
your podcast is so powerful because now these

1531
00:55:53,820 --> 00:55:56,160
radio stations are saying, hey, you can get

1532
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:56,300
this.

1533
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:57,520
We've already set this up for you.

1534
00:55:57,540 --> 00:55:59,400
The podcast is right here, and I don't

1535
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,140
have the numbers, and I've tried to get

1536
00:56:01,140 --> 00:56:01,540
data.

1537
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,760
It's somewhere between 25 and I think 40

1538
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:06,240
percent.

1539
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:07,400
I'm just guessing.

1540
00:56:07,500 --> 00:56:13,740
I'd love to hear more from James or

1541
00:56:13,740 --> 00:56:16,540
from Tom or from anybody who knows, but

1542
00:56:16,540 --> 00:56:18,880
I think my experience is a lot of

1543
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,400
people find it very enjoyable to just go

1544
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,100
to a web page and hit play.

1545
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:27,680
Not everybody uses a podcast app, and I

1546
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,360
think it's because of the reasons I just

1547
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:29,680
mentioned.

1548
00:56:29,780 --> 00:56:31,960
They're interested in a very small subset, and

1549
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,480
the podcast app is not delivering that experience

1550
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:35,080
to them.

1551
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:36,260
Right.

1552
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,460
So there's work that we can do, and

1553
00:56:39,460 --> 00:56:43,440
I think definitely by working together and exchanging

1554
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,200
some of this data, we can make these

1555
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:50,160
products more exciting because what RSS feeds and

1556
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,620
blogging turned into was social media.

1557
00:56:53,300 --> 00:56:55,640
Twitter was RSS feed-based, which is why

1558
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,680
it failed because they centralized all these RSS

1559
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:58,040
feeds.

1560
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:02,640
Their architecture was all off for moving to

1561
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:07,300
a very quick updating type system, but that's

1562
00:57:07,300 --> 00:57:08,220
what made it exciting.

1563
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:12,000
And Blue Sky, Blue Cry, as I call

1564
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,740
it, they also have algorithms.

1565
00:57:16,020 --> 00:57:18,640
Now, their pitch is they're going—now, it's a

1566
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:18,880
pitch.

1567
00:57:18,940 --> 00:57:20,460
I haven't seen it in motion yet.

1568
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,360
Their pitch is, well, we're going to let

1569
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:23,760
you choose your algorithm.

1570
00:57:23,940 --> 00:57:26,680
We'll see how that works out because they've

1571
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,420
just announced they're probably going to do ads,

1572
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:29,460
and it's all going to suck.

1573
00:57:29,500 --> 00:57:30,180
It's all going to suck.

1574
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:31,580
It's all going to start to suck just

1575
00:57:31,580 --> 00:57:35,300
as bad instead of being able to interchange

1576
00:57:35,300 --> 00:57:38,080
information between the users themselves.

1577
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,320
And I think that is what's missing, and

1578
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,960
that's being kind of wiped away by saying,

1579
00:57:45,220 --> 00:57:46,240
you need to do video.

1580
00:57:46,780 --> 00:57:49,980
No, it's just not true.

1581
00:57:50,420 --> 00:57:52,680
Now, are we going to lose the word

1582
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:53,200
podcast?

1583
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:54,940
I don't think so.

1584
00:57:54,940 --> 00:57:57,820
A podcast, yeah, I get my podcasts on

1585
00:57:57,820 --> 00:57:59,840
YouTube, fine, but we know people are also

1586
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,220
getting their podcasts in podcast apps.

1587
00:58:02,540 --> 00:58:04,020
We know they're getting it on Spotify.

1588
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:08,360
We know they're getting it in TikTok, where

1589
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,080
they think is a podcast, but they're also

1590
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:11,080
getting it on Apple.

1591
00:58:11,260 --> 00:58:14,540
They're getting it on Fountain, Podverse, Podcast Guru,

1592
00:58:14,860 --> 00:58:15,940
CurioCast, or wherever.

1593
00:58:16,020 --> 00:58:17,840
They're getting it wherever you get your podcasts.

1594
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:22,440
So let's make it exciting, and let's work

1595
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,620
together on some of these ideas and get

1596
00:58:25,620 --> 00:58:27,680
the data flowing between the apps.

1597
00:58:27,780 --> 00:58:32,380
I think that is critical for the future

1598
00:58:32,380 --> 00:58:35,500
of apps, not for the future of podcasting.

1599
00:58:35,940 --> 00:58:39,540
Everybody who goes to YouTube and turns on

1600
00:58:39,540 --> 00:58:41,400
a camera and gets some mics and is

1601
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:46,940
on YouTube eventually gets distressed, whether they're deplatformed,

1602
00:58:47,020 --> 00:58:49,660
demonetized, they don't hit the algo, they hit

1603
00:58:49,660 --> 00:58:51,100
the algo one day, they don't hit the,

1604
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,540
they don't understand it, they have no control,

1605
00:58:54,140 --> 00:58:56,060
all kinds of, you know, lose your password,

1606
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,920
all kinds of things, bad things happen when

1607
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:00,680
you're not RSS feed based.

1608
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:04,580
That's an education piece that the hosting companies

1609
00:59:04,580 --> 00:59:06,980
are very good at and will continue to

1610
00:59:06,980 --> 00:59:09,860
teach their customers.

1611
00:59:09,860 --> 00:59:12,700
And if they're really, if it really was

1612
00:59:12,700 --> 00:59:16,320
about video, then people would be demanding video

1613
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:20,260
on podcast, from podcast hosting companies at any

1614
00:59:20,260 --> 00:59:20,720
cost.

1615
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:21,940
But they're not.

1616
00:59:22,540 --> 00:59:25,420
And you can't, and you can't compete with

1617
00:59:25,420 --> 00:59:28,780
YouTube or any of these large systems who

1618
00:59:28,780 --> 00:59:31,600
have incredible infrastructure for delivering this video.

1619
00:59:31,860 --> 00:59:32,420
You can't.

1620
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:33,980
So let's not try to.

1621
00:59:34,260 --> 00:59:35,800
And let's just stop with that.

1622
00:59:36,340 --> 00:59:39,140
Make great experiences with your podcast apps.

1623
00:59:39,140 --> 00:59:42,540
I think value for value, that interaction is

1624
00:59:42,540 --> 00:59:44,240
something very unique, boosting.

1625
00:59:44,540 --> 00:59:45,200
It's very unique.

1626
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,780
How do we make that more enticing, interesting?

1627
00:59:48,180 --> 00:59:51,000
Again, I think Podverse made a bold decision.

1628
00:59:51,340 --> 00:59:52,820
They said, we're going to show these booster

1629
00:59:52,820 --> 00:59:54,300
grams underneath the episodes.

1630
00:59:54,660 --> 00:59:56,080
There's a lot of engagement there.

1631
00:59:56,500 --> 00:59:58,740
And look at what TrueFans, Sam is gamifying

1632
00:59:58,740 --> 00:59:59,960
all kinds of stuff.

1633
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,920
He's in, I think he's pointing in the

1634
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:03,600
right direction.

1635
01:00:04,300 --> 01:00:04,820
Right.

1636
01:00:06,340 --> 01:00:07,840
That's my spiel for today.

1637
01:00:09,420 --> 01:00:13,520
Well, I think what you, I think you've

1638
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:14,760
come up with a good point in there

1639
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:18,740
when you were talking about the, the excitement

1640
01:00:18,740 --> 01:00:21,260
is not there because things can't really kind

1641
01:00:21,260 --> 01:00:22,960
of go, things can't go viral.

1642
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:27,980
And, and there's, that's, I never really thought

1643
01:00:27,980 --> 01:00:29,520
about it in that way.

1644
01:00:30,540 --> 01:00:33,040
But the, I think what we, if you,

1645
01:00:33,100 --> 01:00:34,680
if you take it back, if you take

1646
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:40,560
what you said back to, to podcast, quote

1647
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,520
unquote, industry, I don't think there actually is

1648
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:46,600
one, but the quote unquote podcast industry, what

1649
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:47,720
gets everybody excited?

1650
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,240
It's money, money, money.

1651
01:00:51,540 --> 01:00:56,260
Well, across the board, people get excited when

1652
01:00:56,260 --> 01:00:59,800
people, when, when they get their unwrapped, when

1653
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:00,300
they get there.

1654
01:01:00,660 --> 01:01:00,820
There you go.

1655
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:01,840
Perfect example.

1656
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:06,000
When they get, uh, uh, the, the top

1657
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:07,360
10 lists come out.

1658
01:01:07,540 --> 01:01:07,880
Oh yeah.

1659
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:09,600
Now you're talking about the podcast of the

1660
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:09,800
year.

1661
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:11,420
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

1662
01:01:12,140 --> 01:01:18,180
And that's what podcast apps are not good

1663
01:01:18,180 --> 01:01:20,000
at showing that sort of thing.

1664
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,620
Uh, they, you know, there may be some,

1665
01:01:23,820 --> 01:01:28,540
Hey, here's, here's some recommendations, but when you

1666
01:01:28,540 --> 01:01:32,160
log into something like YouTube, what you see

1667
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:35,260
is, and this is YouTube way more than

1668
01:01:35,260 --> 01:01:38,180
something, or, uh, X is a good example.

1669
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:40,880
Uh, Spotify, I don't think is very good

1670
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,700
at this at all, but things like YouTube

1671
01:01:43,700 --> 01:01:47,940
and, and Twitter slash X, they are very

1672
01:01:47,940 --> 01:01:50,720
good at gra at, at using an algorithm

1673
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,520
to just throw a bunch of stuff in

1674
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:52,980
front of you.

1675
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:54,500
And then see what sticks and give you

1676
01:01:54,500 --> 01:01:55,140
more of that.

1677
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,080
I mean, they're, they're tracking that on an

1678
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:57,960
individual level.

1679
01:01:57,960 --> 01:01:58,380
Absolutely.

1680
01:01:59,660 --> 01:02:03,880
And that's not something that podcast apps are

1681
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:08,260
traditionally very good at, uh, as is doing

1682
01:02:08,260 --> 01:02:09,480
that sort of thing.

1683
01:02:11,100 --> 01:02:15,260
And it can, it can be done, but

1684
01:02:15,260 --> 01:02:23,460
what really you need is, um, is, uh,

1685
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:25,800
you, so you, there's two, you can go

1686
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:26,660
about it kind of two ways.

1687
01:02:26,660 --> 01:02:29,120
Like the, this, the, the true fans approach,

1688
01:02:29,540 --> 01:02:31,240
which is sort of activity based.

1689
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:34,520
It's like, well, I'm going to have an

1690
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:38,000
activity feed where I follow people and see

1691
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:39,400
and what they're doing.

1692
01:02:39,860 --> 01:02:41,960
And I know, like you mentioned, I'm, you

1693
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,980
know, I like, you know, I like Adam,

1694
01:02:45,100 --> 01:02:49,020
I see his stuff and then his stuff

1695
01:02:49,020 --> 01:02:51,100
influences, you know, my feed.

1696
01:02:51,100 --> 01:02:53,100
And I begin to get recommendations and stuff

1697
01:02:53,100 --> 01:02:54,560
based on what I'm seeing from him.

1698
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:59,680
But then there's another way, which is sort

1699
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:04,060
of the Godcaster thought process, which is I'm

1700
01:03:04,060 --> 01:03:06,840
going to, I'm the, I'm the program director

1701
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:07,620
for this station.

1702
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,320
And these are all the things that I'm

1703
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,260
going to say represent me.

1704
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:13,600
Or you could say a church would be,

1705
01:03:13,620 --> 01:03:14,520
would be this way too.

1706
01:03:15,220 --> 01:03:19,840
The church staff may all have specific podcasts

1707
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:20,800
that they listen to.

1708
01:03:21,540 --> 01:03:24,700
And then they assemble all of that into

1709
01:03:24,700 --> 01:03:28,980
a, into a player and they present this

1710
01:03:28,980 --> 01:03:30,480
program grid to you.

1711
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:35,740
They present a, a batch of podcasts that

1712
01:03:35,740 --> 01:03:37,000
they recommend.

1713
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,900
They're advocating for this stuff.

1714
01:03:40,210 --> 01:03:41,980
The same thing could be done for open

1715
01:03:41,980 --> 01:03:42,800
source software.

1716
01:03:43,100 --> 01:03:46,180
You may have people that are heavy in

1717
01:03:46,180 --> 01:03:50,340
the, you know, in the podcasting 2.0.

1718
01:03:50,340 --> 01:03:52,920
You may have some, the podcasting 2.0

1719
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:56,480
community may have a set of podcasts that

1720
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,020
a lot of us listen to that we

1721
01:03:59,020 --> 01:04:01,540
would say, okay, yeah, this is, these are

1722
01:04:01,540 --> 01:04:03,620
these, if you're a part of this community,

1723
01:04:03,620 --> 01:04:05,400
here's what we recommend you listen to.

1724
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,240
And, and yes, a bit punk FM, that

1725
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,100
is pod role is a part of that,

1726
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,780
but where's, where's the support people on, what

1727
01:04:13,780 --> 01:04:14,380
are we drinking?

1728
01:04:14,900 --> 01:04:15,300
Pabst.

1729
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:16,960
Michelob.

1730
01:04:17,340 --> 01:04:17,640
LaCroix.

1731
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:18,280
LaCroix.

1732
01:04:18,340 --> 01:04:19,540
The king of, the king of beers.

1733
01:04:21,140 --> 01:04:22,980
The king of LaCroix, the king of water.

1734
01:04:24,180 --> 01:04:26,840
So yes, it is absolutely, but you know,

1735
01:04:26,980 --> 01:04:27,840
we're all busy.

1736
01:04:27,980 --> 01:04:29,260
We have other things to do.

1737
01:04:29,700 --> 01:04:30,620
Where's the support?

1738
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:32,260
I mean, there's some big hosts that support

1739
01:04:32,260 --> 01:04:32,780
pod role.

1740
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:34,600
So this is a perfect example.

1741
01:04:35,860 --> 01:04:38,700
Even stuff your app can do with geolocation

1742
01:04:38,700 --> 01:04:41,180
or the location tag or the people, there's,

1743
01:04:41,180 --> 01:04:42,780
there's a lot of stuff that can be

1744
01:04:42,780 --> 01:04:42,980
done.

1745
01:04:42,980 --> 01:04:44,440
If you want, if you want to be

1746
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,320
a utility, that's fine, but let's take it

1747
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:48,740
away from it has to be video.

1748
01:04:48,740 --> 01:04:52,460
Cause that's just, forgive me, Lord bullshit.

1749
01:04:53,220 --> 01:04:54,560
It really is.

1750
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:55,500
It's bullshit.

1751
01:04:55,540 --> 01:04:56,500
It is.

1752
01:04:58,000 --> 01:04:58,560
Yeah.

1753
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:02,460
And, and I think it doesn't work if

1754
01:05:02,460 --> 01:05:04,680
only, this is another thing we have to

1755
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:08,920
understand about, about podcasting is that we are

1756
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:12,040
all in this together from an app standpoint.

1757
01:05:13,580 --> 01:05:17,400
And that is something that I respect so

1758
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:22,040
much about everybody here is Oscar, you know,

1759
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:25,820
and, and Stephen B and Mitch, and everybody

1760
01:05:25,820 --> 01:05:27,940
is so willing to play ball with each

1761
01:05:27,940 --> 01:05:30,500
other, because I think we all understand that

1762
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:31,560
we're in this together.

1763
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:36,460
We're not independent silos of, you know, so

1764
01:05:36,460 --> 01:05:42,960
what, in some way Oscar, Oscar can't survive

1765
01:05:42,980 --> 01:05:45,840
without other apps.

1766
01:05:47,380 --> 01:05:49,880
Because all, they all play a role.

1767
01:05:50,100 --> 01:05:52,180
Everybody has their favorite sort of app and

1768
01:05:52,180 --> 01:05:54,480
everybody, it plays a role to lift everything

1769
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,660
up and create more and keep them, you

1770
01:05:56,660 --> 01:05:57,560
know, content flowing.

1771
01:05:57,860 --> 01:05:59,660
So when you have things like pod roll

1772
01:05:59,660 --> 01:06:03,600
and, uh, oh, I'm going full mush.

1773
01:06:05,060 --> 01:06:07,760
When you have, when you have things like

1774
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:13,340
pod roll, publisher feeds, you, if, if all

1775
01:06:13,340 --> 01:06:16,880
of that is flowing cross platform, I mean,

1776
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:20,660
that's like a united front to say, here's

1777
01:06:20,660 --> 01:06:22,860
what podcasting can be, right?

1778
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,680
Here's what RSS based podcasting can be.

1779
01:06:26,380 --> 01:06:29,620
It can be decentralized and still have a

1780
01:06:29,620 --> 01:06:33,020
sort of global algorithm at its core.

1781
01:06:34,020 --> 01:06:36,220
And we have nothing to lose by trying

1782
01:06:36,220 --> 01:06:37,200
this in our apps.

1783
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:38,960
We have nothing to lose.

1784
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:39,900
Oh, nothing.

1785
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:40,180
Yeah.

1786
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:40,600
Yeah.

1787
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,620
And there's still some kind of old school

1788
01:06:43,620 --> 01:06:46,340
ethos that came in, you know, of everyone's

1789
01:06:46,340 --> 01:06:46,740
equal.

1790
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:47,780
It's all the same.

1791
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:49,220
Everyone has the same weight.

1792
01:06:49,380 --> 01:06:52,200
And no, no, you have users and fountain

1793
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,640
users are different from podcast guru users are

1794
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,080
different from pod verse users.

1795
01:06:56,580 --> 01:06:58,840
And you'll have different user groups within that.

1796
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:02,700
And, um, we need to start.

1797
01:07:03,340 --> 01:07:04,680
This is why I said we need the

1798
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:05,680
Rachel Maddow app.

1799
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,260
You make the Rachel Maddow app, which can

1800
01:07:08,260 --> 01:07:10,180
be the same version of your other app.

1801
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:11,480
Just brand it differently.

1802
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:12,220
Throw it in.

1803
01:07:12,580 --> 01:07:15,280
I'm telling you, she will glom towards it

1804
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:16,400
because she wants it.

1805
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:18,340
She wants to get all of this certain

1806
01:07:18,340 --> 01:07:19,180
type of content.

1807
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,160
She wants to see where, where she is

1808
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:22,440
in the number of people on that.

1809
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:23,140
That's it using.

1810
01:07:23,220 --> 01:07:24,200
It's the same thing.

1811
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:26,720
It's the same thing as likes and follows.

1812
01:07:26,900 --> 01:07:27,960
It's all the same thing.

1813
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:29,720
It's all the stuff that people like.

1814
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:31,080
They enjoy it.

1815
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:32,740
They enjoy seeing these things.

1816
01:07:33,500 --> 01:07:35,260
And we have a lot of these, this

1817
01:07:35,260 --> 01:07:36,560
data at our disposal.

1818
01:07:37,180 --> 01:07:39,260
And by the way, I'm fine if you

1819
01:07:39,260 --> 01:07:42,280
just, again, I'll just say making utility apps

1820
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:42,780
are fine.

1821
01:07:43,340 --> 01:07:44,860
It's there's the opportunity.

1822
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:46,600
Dave Weiner is pointing it out in a

1823
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:48,000
Dave Weiner kind of way.

1824
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:49,760
I mean, he has a Dave Weiner type

1825
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:54,320
of solution and he's, um, under informed, perhaps

1826
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:56,400
ignorant about what we have done here.

1827
01:07:57,060 --> 01:07:57,460
Willingly.

1828
01:07:57,960 --> 01:07:58,360
Yeah.

1829
01:07:59,140 --> 01:08:01,560
But we have all the, and just, and

1830
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:02,160
I'll come back to that.

1831
01:08:02,180 --> 01:08:03,000
One thing I was going to, that I

1832
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,260
didn't say earlier, um, Sam and Dave, Sam

1833
01:08:06,260 --> 01:08:08,120
and Dave, Sam and James, Sam and Dave

1834
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:08,720
is different guys.

1835
01:08:08,780 --> 01:08:09,100
Hold on.

1836
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:09,460
I'm coming.

1837
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,880
Sam and James said, well, we need a

1838
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,300
figurehead for podcasting 2.0. It's too bad.

1839
01:08:15,319 --> 01:08:16,460
Adam doesn't do that.

1840
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:17,260
Okay.

1841
01:08:17,260 --> 01:08:18,859
So I'm going to just make it very

1842
01:08:18,859 --> 01:08:19,220
clear.

1843
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:20,439
Tried that.

1844
01:08:20,979 --> 01:08:23,260
Got the back room at podcast movement.

1845
01:08:23,740 --> 01:08:25,720
No mass, no mass.

1846
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:27,220
Those guys are in a different plane.

1847
01:08:27,500 --> 01:08:28,640
They're doing different things.

1848
01:08:28,740 --> 01:08:30,620
They have different motivators.

1849
01:08:31,100 --> 01:08:31,800
We got nothing.

1850
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:34,220
And, you know, and, and with respect, I

1851
01:08:34,220 --> 01:08:37,859
got invited to it's short day, January 17th

1852
01:08:37,859 --> 01:08:40,920
to, you know, MC the podcasting hall of

1853
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:41,160
fame.

1854
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:43,319
I'm going to respectfully decline.

1855
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:45,740
You know, I, first of all, I don't

1856
01:08:45,740 --> 01:08:47,359
have time in my life for running around

1857
01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:48,319
doing all this stuff.

1858
01:08:48,380 --> 01:08:50,500
I'm doing other things that I find more

1859
01:08:50,500 --> 01:08:52,960
important for what I'm doing in life.

1860
01:08:53,540 --> 01:08:56,359
Um, but also it's a circle jerk.

1861
01:08:56,420 --> 01:08:59,180
It's not, this is not important for podcasting.

1862
01:09:00,260 --> 01:09:02,680
It really isn't the podcasting hall of fame.

1863
01:09:02,740 --> 01:09:04,700
It's, it's like saying it's like a top,

1864
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:05,779
like Apple's chart.

1865
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,160
You know, this, everyone has a different chart.

1866
01:09:08,220 --> 01:09:09,660
How many award shows do we have?

1867
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:10,880
It's a million award shows.

1868
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:14,420
It's just another part of money stuff running

1869
01:09:14,420 --> 01:09:15,620
around in different circles.

1870
01:09:15,620 --> 01:09:16,300
It's irrelevant.

1871
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:18,979
The podcast academy is not important.

1872
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:19,660
All this stuff.

1873
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:21,840
It's all just stuff that's been Velcroed to

1874
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:22,880
the side of podcasting.

1875
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:23,979
It's irrelevant.

1876
01:09:24,420 --> 01:09:24,620
Yes.

1877
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:25,359
Velcroed.

1878
01:09:26,540 --> 01:09:28,560
So it's, it's, you know, what is it?

1879
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,200
What even does a podcast hall of fame

1880
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:30,740
mean?

1881
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:33,500
You know, hall of fame for what it's

1882
01:09:33,500 --> 01:09:34,740
marketing opportunity.

1883
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:37,100
And then you can speak about podcasting two

1884
01:09:37,100 --> 01:09:37,260
point.

1885
01:09:37,340 --> 01:09:38,060
What am I going to say?

1886
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:39,220
It's podcasting.

1887
01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:40,080
We have new apps.

1888
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:44,000
Good night, Cleveland or Orlando, Miami, wherever it

1889
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:44,260
is.

1890
01:09:45,300 --> 01:09:47,520
Now we have, we have cool new stuff.

1891
01:09:47,580 --> 01:09:49,279
I talk about it twice a week for

1892
01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:50,819
a reasonably large audience.

1893
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:52,420
I say, go to podcastapps.com.

1894
01:09:52,420 --> 01:09:53,740
We got all kinds of cool stuff.

1895
01:09:53,860 --> 01:09:54,820
We got chapters.

1896
01:09:54,900 --> 01:09:55,600
We got location.

1897
01:09:55,700 --> 01:09:56,720
We got chapter images.

1898
01:09:56,980 --> 01:09:59,540
We have, you get, uh, uh, you get

1899
01:09:59,540 --> 01:10:01,560
my podcast updated within 90 seconds.

1900
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:03,680
You get a bat signal when I'm going

1901
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:04,180
live.

1902
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,380
And it's the podcasters that need to promote

1903
01:10:07,380 --> 01:10:07,640
it.

1904
01:10:08,700 --> 01:10:11,680
The podcasters, they need to be passionate about

1905
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:12,020
it.

1906
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:14,280
And the ones that are and that do

1907
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:15,020
it succeed.

1908
01:10:15,860 --> 01:10:18,700
And the people follow the content.

1909
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:20,720
You, you know, you've made this point many

1910
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:21,100
times.

1911
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:22,180
People follow content.

1912
01:10:22,180 --> 01:10:26,780
They don't necessarily, they don't follow, um, platforms

1913
01:10:26,780 --> 01:10:27,860
necessarily.

1914
01:10:28,540 --> 01:10:28,640
Nope.

1915
01:10:28,700 --> 01:10:30,160
And so they will follow.

1916
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,160
I will follow the content that I like

1917
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:35,440
to wherever platform it goes to.

1918
01:10:35,580 --> 01:10:36,120
That's right.

1919
01:10:37,020 --> 01:10:39,000
If, you know, I listened to no agenda

1920
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:42,860
twice a week for, you know, I don't

1921
01:10:42,860 --> 01:10:44,280
know how many, 15 years now.

1922
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:49,100
And if no agenda went subscription behind a

1923
01:10:49,100 --> 01:10:52,960
paywall on right on rumble, I would, I've

1924
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:54,940
never looked at rumble in my entire life.

1925
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:55,080
Right.

1926
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:55,800
Right.

1927
01:10:56,140 --> 01:10:56,280
Right.

1928
01:10:56,460 --> 01:10:56,640
Yeah.

1929
01:10:57,620 --> 01:11:00,220
Uh, I would go there tomorrow and set

1930
01:11:00,220 --> 01:11:01,340
up an account and do all that kind

1931
01:11:01,340 --> 01:11:01,620
of stuff.

1932
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:03,440
Just cause I mean, that's the way this

1933
01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:04,180
stuff works.

1934
01:11:04,620 --> 01:11:06,740
The platforms are not as important.

1935
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:09,080
I don't think as people make them out

1936
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:09,480
to be.

1937
01:11:09,480 --> 01:11:13,540
Um, now there is an excitement factor with

1938
01:11:13,540 --> 01:11:15,460
certain types of, of platforms.

1939
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:20,360
Um, you know, and, and with the algorithms

1940
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,160
and the push and the nudging and all

1941
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:23,960
this kind of stuff, I will, I totally

1942
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:24,640
understand that.

1943
01:11:24,660 --> 01:11:25,540
I totally understand that.

1944
01:11:25,540 --> 01:11:28,380
And, and podcast apps can be better about

1945
01:11:28,380 --> 01:11:28,800
that way.

1946
01:11:28,860 --> 01:11:30,940
And we will get better about that over

1947
01:11:30,940 --> 01:11:31,340
time.

1948
01:11:31,540 --> 01:11:31,840
Yes.

1949
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:36,060
But, um, I don't really think the platforms

1950
01:11:36,060 --> 01:11:38,320
matter that much.

1951
01:11:39,060 --> 01:11:40,700
In fact, I know they don't.

1952
01:11:41,540 --> 01:11:43,280
Um, I mean, this is like, this is

1953
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:44,100
like anything else.

1954
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,200
Everybody thought, you know, everybody thought that Google

1955
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:50,640
was going to eat RSS and then they

1956
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:52,900
just got bored with it and gave up.

1957
01:11:53,300 --> 01:11:54,740
Well, they gave up to try a social

1958
01:11:54,740 --> 01:11:57,240
media network and they failed three times.

1959
01:11:57,820 --> 01:11:58,260
Right.

1960
01:11:58,420 --> 01:11:59,500
It's not in their DNA.

1961
01:12:00,540 --> 01:12:01,920
And RSS is still fine.

1962
01:12:02,440 --> 01:12:05,480
It's not, it's been completely unaffected by them.

1963
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:05,880
Yeah.

1964
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:07,640
So I, I just, I just don't think

1965
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,040
that, and Spotify is going to get tired

1966
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:10,740
of podcasting.

1967
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:11,720
I think they already are.

1968
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:13,280
Oh, and they're going to get tired of

1969
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:14,880
video and people are going to get tired

1970
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:16,000
of how they handle it.

1971
01:12:16,020 --> 01:12:18,940
Cause no, it's, it's all, there are, I

1972
01:12:18,940 --> 01:12:20,100
mean, what a botched launch.

1973
01:12:20,580 --> 01:12:22,860
Now you can do video on a, we

1974
01:12:22,860 --> 01:12:24,280
just like YouTube only better.

1975
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:25,340
How much money can I make?

1976
01:12:26,820 --> 01:12:30,620
Uh, we're not, we're not sure yet.

1977
01:12:30,700 --> 01:12:30,860
Yeah.

1978
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:31,740
We're not sure yet.

1979
01:12:31,940 --> 01:12:32,460
Stand by.

1980
01:12:32,460 --> 01:12:35,080
And, you know, and look at the beautiful

1981
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:37,040
infrastructure we have with hosting companies.

1982
01:12:37,220 --> 01:12:39,260
Look at the diversity, look at the, the

1983
01:12:39,260 --> 01:12:41,280
scope, look at the different types of help

1984
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,000
and all the things you can get.

1985
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:44,940
And people often come crying to them like,

1986
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:46,060
Oh, it didn't work out over there.

1987
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:47,320
Okay, do this.

1988
01:12:47,380 --> 01:12:48,600
And then we can help you with this

1989
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:48,980
piece.

1990
01:12:49,460 --> 01:12:52,040
Um, you know, you get none of that.

1991
01:12:52,140 --> 01:12:54,840
You get none of that, that, that support

1992
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,660
and, and level of control over your own

1993
01:12:57,660 --> 01:12:58,120
content.

1994
01:12:58,420 --> 01:13:00,100
And people will figure that out.

1995
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:01,140
I mean, they always do.

1996
01:13:01,140 --> 01:13:03,680
And when the content leaves somewhere, just like

1997
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:05,880
you said, it goes somewhere else, they'll find

1998
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:06,120
it.

1999
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:09,060
And often I'm accused of, well, you know,

2000
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:09,800
you're famous.

2001
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:12,060
Dude, it's only gotten harder.

2002
01:13:12,500 --> 01:13:15,240
The more podcasts, the more places to get

2003
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:17,020
podcasts has only gotten harder.

2004
01:13:18,500 --> 01:13:20,860
And the older I get, the less relevant

2005
01:13:20,860 --> 01:13:21,440
I get.

2006
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:23,500
There's people listening to no agenda who never

2007
01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:26,100
saw a video on MTV ever.

2008
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:28,900
Didn't even know they had videos on MTV.

2009
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,500
And you don't, you don't get an automatic

2010
01:13:32,500 --> 01:13:32,900
gimme.

2011
01:13:33,100 --> 01:13:34,460
I don't think that's true.

2012
01:13:34,940 --> 01:13:38,020
I mean, like this happens in the sort

2013
01:13:38,020 --> 01:13:42,460
of app, uh, world to, um, you, you

2014
01:13:42,460 --> 01:13:45,280
could say that, uh, Marco is a good

2015
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:46,000
example of that.

2016
01:13:46,140 --> 01:13:48,020
He's got sort of a cult following of

2017
01:13:48,020 --> 01:13:51,100
people who always are interested, interested in his

2018
01:13:51,100 --> 01:13:56,380
stuff, but they didn't, people have not kept

2019
01:13:56,380 --> 01:13:59,480
using overcast for 10 years because Marco is

2020
01:13:59,480 --> 01:13:59,840
Marco.

2021
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:00,480
Right.

2022
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:02,080
They, they use it because it's a good

2023
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:02,340
app.

2024
01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:04,460
Yeah, it's, it's a good app.

2025
01:14:04,500 --> 01:14:05,440
If he had made it, if he had

2026
01:14:05,440 --> 01:14:07,880
made a crap, a crummy app, it would

2027
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:08,340
have fizzled.

2028
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:10,460
And an app, an app is content.

2029
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:12,080
An app is also content.

2030
01:14:12,740 --> 01:14:13,100
Totally.

2031
01:14:13,180 --> 01:14:14,420
It's totally content.

2032
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:15,020
Yeah.

2033
01:14:15,020 --> 01:14:17,500
If you've had a podcast for five years

2034
01:14:17,500 --> 01:14:21,000
and you still only have 12 listeners, it

2035
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:22,500
doesn't mean that you need to stop because

2036
01:14:22,500 --> 01:14:23,820
you may enjoy, you may be doing it

2037
01:14:23,820 --> 01:14:24,960
just because you enjoy it.

2038
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:27,180
But it does mean that it's probably not

2039
01:14:27,180 --> 01:14:29,600
content that a lot of people are ever

2040
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:30,520
going to be interested in.

2041
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:32,940
So it may, you know, if your goal

2042
01:14:32,940 --> 01:14:35,460
is to do some sort of like make

2043
01:14:35,460 --> 01:14:37,540
a living that way, it's probably, you need

2044
01:14:37,540 --> 01:14:38,220
to switch gears.

2045
01:14:38,420 --> 01:14:38,560
Yeah.

2046
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:39,620
Do something else.

2047
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:42,760
Well, then this is always the problem, you

2048
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:47,660
know, it's like, uh, fame, uh, which is

2049
01:14:47,660 --> 01:14:50,280
often associated with money, but it's absolutely not

2050
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:51,540
perpendicular or linear.

2051
01:14:51,540 --> 01:14:56,020
Um, uh, you know, the promise, uh, the,

2052
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:58,760
the way that, uh, successful people are put

2053
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:00,500
on a pedestal and you can do this

2054
01:15:00,500 --> 01:15:00,820
too.

2055
01:15:00,820 --> 01:15:03,480
I've been, I've been guilty of, uh, of,

2056
01:15:03,780 --> 01:15:05,060
Hey, quit your day job as well.

2057
01:15:05,060 --> 01:15:06,440
And I've really tried to make that happen

2058
01:15:06,440 --> 01:15:07,120
for some people.

2059
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:08,560
Some succeeded, most didn't.

2060
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,340
Um, you know, it always, you know, if

2061
01:15:11,340 --> 01:15:15,380
anything, uh, this move, this talk of videos

2062
01:15:15,380 --> 01:15:18,760
is discouraging people from getting started.

2063
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,040
And as, and as a group, I think

2064
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,400
we should just cut it out, just cut

2065
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:25,040
it out, stop talking about it.

2066
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:28,220
Now that's hard to do because money is

2067
01:15:28,220 --> 01:15:30,660
so tied into a lot of the podcast,

2068
01:15:30,860 --> 01:15:34,380
uh, press and, and reasons for people to

2069
01:15:34,380 --> 01:15:36,700
talk about it is it always.

2070
01:15:36,820 --> 01:15:38,500
And that's our, that's our culture, you know,

2071
01:15:38,500 --> 01:15:40,480
always comes down to money, but I do

2072
01:15:40,480 --> 01:15:42,280
tons of things for no money, like this

2073
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:43,580
very podcast.

2074
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:45,740
Oh yeah, for sure.

2075
01:15:45,740 --> 01:15:48,080
But I get a lot of satisfaction out

2076
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:49,000
of doing this podcast.

2077
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:49,880
It's for me.

2078
01:15:50,300 --> 01:15:51,260
I love it.

2079
01:15:51,460 --> 01:15:53,980
I, it, it floats my boat, fills my

2080
01:15:53,980 --> 01:15:56,380
buckets, tweaks my tweeters.

2081
01:15:58,840 --> 01:15:59,400
Okay.

2082
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:01,580
That's the show title.

2083
01:16:02,660 --> 01:16:03,640
What's the title?

2084
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:04,680
Tweaks my tweeters.

2085
01:16:04,900 --> 01:16:05,700
Tweaks my tweeters.

2086
01:16:07,100 --> 01:16:08,160
Tweak my tweeters.

2087
01:16:10,100 --> 01:16:14,140
Um, I've got a, uh, man, what's our

2088
01:16:14,140 --> 01:16:14,520
time?

2089
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:16,940
Well, I may have to, yeah, we, we

2090
01:16:16,940 --> 01:16:18,300
may have to, we got to do a

2091
01:16:18,300 --> 01:16:20,080
double thank you because we didn't do it

2092
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:21,460
on the last board meeting.

2093
01:16:22,100 --> 01:16:22,780
Oh yeah.

2094
01:16:22,860 --> 01:16:23,100
Okay.

2095
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:25,360
I w I've got, I got two things

2096
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:26,620
that we got to talk about this next

2097
01:16:26,620 --> 01:16:26,840
week.

2098
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:27,200
Okay.

2099
01:16:27,220 --> 01:16:28,100
I'm going to write it down.

2100
01:16:28,500 --> 01:16:28,900
Okay.

2101
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:29,960
Next week.

2102
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:30,580
All right.

2103
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:37,840
Uh, uh, chat, chat transcripts for live items.

2104
01:16:39,020 --> 01:16:39,420
Okay.

2105
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:45,240
And, uh, uh, pod, uh, pod ping D

2106
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:46,300
okay.

2107
01:16:46,420 --> 01:16:48,820
Uh, Alex, Alex open has open source, the

2108
01:16:48,820 --> 01:16:50,940
repository for pod ping D, which sounds like

2109
01:16:50,940 --> 01:16:56,380
all things D, which, which is also ironic

2110
01:16:56,380 --> 01:16:59,640
because, um, all things D is run by

2111
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:02,000
Kara Swisher, who's a lesbian, who's a lesbian,

2112
01:17:02,060 --> 01:17:04,020
which is, uh, this, uh, what does that

2113
01:17:04,020 --> 01:17:05,000
have to do with anything?

2114
01:17:05,540 --> 01:17:10,310
All things D I'll leave that up to

2115
01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:11,290
the listener as an exercise.

2116
01:17:11,290 --> 01:17:12,250
Oh, okay.

2117
01:17:12,390 --> 01:17:12,870
I'm sorry.

2118
01:17:14,010 --> 01:17:14,450
Sorry.

2119
01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:16,170
You, you took my brain into a place.

2120
01:17:16,270 --> 01:17:17,670
I try not to visit more than twice

2121
01:17:17,670 --> 01:17:18,070
a week.

2122
01:17:20,910 --> 01:17:21,790
Um, yeah.

2123
01:17:21,810 --> 01:17:22,070
Okay.

2124
01:17:22,090 --> 01:17:23,550
We got to talk about those two things

2125
01:17:23,550 --> 01:17:23,970
next week.

2126
01:17:23,970 --> 01:17:25,850
It's been on the list for like three

2127
01:17:25,850 --> 01:17:26,170
weeks.

2128
01:17:26,290 --> 01:17:26,510
Yeah.

2129
01:17:26,510 --> 01:17:29,170
Let's, uh, let's thank, uh, people who have

2130
01:17:29,170 --> 01:17:30,350
supported the show.

2131
01:17:31,290 --> 01:17:34,390
Uh, and subsequently, uh, so not the board,

2132
01:17:34,510 --> 01:17:37,470
the boardroom goes straight into podcast index.org,

2133
01:17:37,650 --> 01:17:39,150
uh, keeps everything running.

2134
01:17:39,150 --> 01:17:40,890
I'll do the, uh, the live boost that

2135
01:17:40,890 --> 01:17:41,830
came in today.

2136
01:17:42,690 --> 01:17:44,670
One, two, three, four from salty crayon.

2137
01:17:44,710 --> 01:17:46,090
Howdy boardroom today in the boardroom.

2138
01:17:46,170 --> 01:17:48,290
Dave goes all in on that MRE lunch

2139
01:17:48,290 --> 01:17:49,250
to clog the pipes.

2140
01:17:51,190 --> 01:17:54,130
Hey, I've been slowly consuming this lunch the

2141
01:17:54,130 --> 01:17:54,710
entire show.

2142
01:17:54,830 --> 01:17:55,550
I'm almost done.

2143
01:17:55,630 --> 01:17:57,070
I haven't had anything to eat today.

2144
01:17:57,330 --> 01:18:00,250
Uh, we'll have to, uh, we'll have to

2145
01:18:00,250 --> 01:18:01,470
have this on relisten.

2146
01:18:01,590 --> 01:18:02,410
Love your pod Sage.

2147
01:18:02,430 --> 01:18:04,490
He says a triple seven from Sam Sethi.

2148
01:18:04,890 --> 01:18:07,130
Uh, we have added Ellen address support and

2149
01:18:07,130 --> 01:18:08,930
backward compatibility to key send.

2150
01:18:08,930 --> 01:18:11,450
We also have a transfer sats into true

2151
01:18:11,450 --> 01:18:13,310
fans rolling out Monday.

2152
01:18:13,470 --> 01:18:15,810
So a true fan's wallet, uh, and bring

2153
01:18:15,810 --> 01:18:16,630
your sats.

2154
01:18:17,030 --> 01:18:18,270
So get a true fan's wallet and bring

2155
01:18:18,270 --> 01:18:18,650
your sats.

2156
01:18:18,770 --> 01:18:19,390
Oh, excellent.

2157
01:18:20,030 --> 01:18:20,510
Very good.

2158
01:18:21,110 --> 01:18:24,670
Um, a thousand from Eastside, Tony, ITM boardroom

2159
01:18:24,670 --> 01:18:26,890
testing my Albi hub via podverse, getting ready

2160
01:18:26,890 --> 01:18:28,310
for booster Graham ball live.

2161
01:18:28,410 --> 01:18:29,350
See you in Austin, Adam.

2162
01:18:29,470 --> 01:18:29,690
Yes.

2163
01:18:30,310 --> 01:18:34,110
Uh, reminder, uh, December 16th.

2164
01:18:34,310 --> 01:18:36,450
Anton's Austin is going to be a hootenanny.

2165
01:18:36,450 --> 01:18:39,570
I already saw Boobury has put together and,

2166
01:18:39,570 --> 01:18:43,410
um, a neon booster Graham ball sign that

2167
01:18:43,410 --> 01:18:47,190
will be controllable through a specific boost numbers.

2168
01:18:47,750 --> 01:18:48,190
Sweet.

2169
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:50,070
So it's going to be fantastic.

2170
01:18:50,170 --> 01:18:51,370
Had a great meeting today.

2171
01:18:51,390 --> 01:18:52,730
I'm very excited about it.

2172
01:18:53,030 --> 01:18:54,830
And did Boobury set that up for you?

2173
01:18:55,070 --> 01:18:56,210
Boob with Eric PP.

2174
01:18:56,890 --> 01:18:57,290
Eric PP.

2175
01:18:57,430 --> 01:18:57,610
Yeah.

2176
01:18:57,690 --> 01:18:58,390
I've had enough.

2177
01:18:58,430 --> 01:18:59,490
I just have to show up.

2178
01:18:59,530 --> 01:19:01,310
I mean, this is the easiest gig for

2179
01:19:01,310 --> 01:19:01,530
me.

2180
01:19:01,650 --> 01:19:04,130
I'm this is everyone knows just tell Adam

2181
01:19:04,130 --> 01:19:05,650
where to be and he'll be there and

2182
01:19:05,650 --> 01:19:07,310
he'll do his thing because that's, that's what

2183
01:19:07,310 --> 01:19:07,830
I'm good at.

2184
01:19:08,230 --> 01:19:09,610
And everything else has just been done.

2185
01:19:09,870 --> 01:19:11,290
Dovey Doss is involved.

2186
01:19:11,810 --> 01:19:15,030
The music mama, the Costello's everybody's all an

2187
01:19:15,030 --> 01:19:15,550
open mic.

2188
01:19:15,710 --> 01:19:17,990
Everyone's in this is a perfect example of

2189
01:19:17,990 --> 01:19:19,290
how beautiful this group can be.

2190
01:19:19,990 --> 01:19:21,270
Um, one 11 from sir.

2191
01:19:21,310 --> 01:19:22,030
TJ, the raffle.

2192
01:19:22,330 --> 01:19:22,890
Uh, oh yeah.

2193
01:19:22,890 --> 01:19:24,870
It's just, we had a small problem in

2194
01:19:24,870 --> 01:19:27,170
sovereign feeds, deleting existing splits.

2195
01:19:27,250 --> 01:19:28,670
Turns out to be a viewport issue.

2196
01:19:28,790 --> 01:19:31,470
If you go full screen with sovereign feeds,

2197
01:19:31,490 --> 01:19:33,290
you hover over the trash icon.

2198
01:19:33,350 --> 01:19:33,850
It turns red.

2199
01:19:33,890 --> 01:19:34,590
You can delete it.

2200
01:19:35,050 --> 01:19:36,730
I got that on the fly.

2201
01:19:36,890 --> 01:19:37,370
Thank you very much.

2202
01:19:37,470 --> 01:19:37,950
Stephen bell.

2203
01:19:38,650 --> 01:19:40,530
Um, be dancy.

2204
01:19:41,090 --> 01:19:43,030
Uh, oh, he said pod is weekly review

2205
01:19:43,030 --> 01:19:44,350
or just, I was playing pod in his

2206
01:19:44,350 --> 01:19:45,830
weekly review while we were waiting for you.

2207
01:19:46,810 --> 01:19:50,390
Um, then we have 10,001 Oh one.

2208
01:19:50,490 --> 01:19:50,790
Thank you.

2209
01:19:50,830 --> 01:19:51,890
C dubs from C dubs.

2210
01:19:52,130 --> 01:19:54,690
She has my concern with pod pay is

2211
01:19:54,690 --> 01:19:57,730
trusting specific end pubs from hosted providers.

2212
01:19:58,570 --> 01:20:00,850
Boots CLI has no server and would always

2213
01:20:00,850 --> 01:20:02,110
be signed by the user.

2214
01:20:02,170 --> 01:20:03,610
Oscar said this should be fine.

2215
01:20:03,610 --> 01:20:05,890
I'll try to find some proof of concept

2216
01:20:05,890 --> 01:20:06,870
for boost CLI.

2217
01:20:06,990 --> 01:20:08,610
Boost bot will be harder because it requires

2218
01:20:08,610 --> 01:20:10,410
a web server and domain for the LN

2219
01:20:10,410 --> 01:20:10,690
URL.

2220
01:20:11,170 --> 01:20:12,670
I have no idea what that means.

2221
01:20:13,130 --> 01:20:14,650
Well, I mean, this is the same problem

2222
01:20:14,650 --> 01:20:17,290
as PKI, the public key infrastructure.

2223
01:20:17,570 --> 01:20:18,730
I mean, always trusting.

2224
01:20:19,630 --> 01:20:21,050
I mean, you have to decide who you're

2225
01:20:21,050 --> 01:20:21,670
going to trust.

2226
01:20:22,490 --> 01:20:24,230
I mean, there isn't, there's no, there's no

2227
01:20:24,230 --> 01:20:24,650
trust.

2228
01:20:24,750 --> 01:20:25,750
No one in PKI.

2229
01:20:26,110 --> 01:20:26,510
Right.

2230
01:20:26,650 --> 01:20:28,250
And that's essentially, this is going to suffer

2231
01:20:28,250 --> 01:20:30,730
from the same problem, but you know, you

2232
01:20:30,730 --> 01:20:32,830
have, you eventually build up a web of

2233
01:20:32,830 --> 01:20:34,910
trust of keys of keys that you trust.

2234
01:20:34,990 --> 01:20:35,110
Yeah.

2235
01:20:35,150 --> 01:20:36,650
And I mean, there's no way there's really

2236
01:20:36,650 --> 01:20:37,350
no way around that.

2237
01:20:37,450 --> 01:20:38,150
We, we know of yet.

2238
01:20:38,290 --> 01:20:38,670
Okay.

2239
01:20:38,930 --> 01:20:39,250
All right.

2240
01:20:39,250 --> 01:20:40,090
That's what I have.

2241
01:20:40,290 --> 01:20:42,290
Then I see stuff that you should have

2242
01:20:42,290 --> 01:20:44,190
in your, uh, in your readout screen.

2243
01:20:46,870 --> 01:20:48,910
Whatever that is your heads up display.

2244
01:20:50,090 --> 01:20:52,810
Uh, I got two, two that I somehow

2245
01:20:52,810 --> 01:20:55,610
missed two PayPal's that I somehow missed like,

2246
01:20:56,370 --> 01:20:57,610
uh, August 3rd.

2247
01:20:57,610 --> 01:20:58,990
I mean, this, I was looking through my

2248
01:20:58,990 --> 01:21:03,290
email has 1,153 unread messages in it,

2249
01:21:03,310 --> 01:21:03,910
in my podcast.

2250
01:21:04,470 --> 01:21:07,450
Now you're talking, we're getting there, man.

2251
01:21:08,590 --> 01:21:10,570
I'm trying to, uh, it's my all-time

2252
01:21:10,570 --> 01:21:10,910
high.

2253
01:21:10,990 --> 01:21:12,010
It's ATH beautiful.

2254
01:21:12,130 --> 01:21:16,270
1153 ATH, uh, Randall black is five bucks.

2255
01:21:16,290 --> 01:21:17,970
He sent us five bucks in August.

2256
01:21:18,030 --> 01:21:18,850
Thanks, Randall.

2257
01:21:19,210 --> 01:21:20,430
Sorry for missing that.

2258
01:21:20,930 --> 01:21:24,970
Um, let's see, we got an $20 from

2259
01:21:24,970 --> 01:21:26,630
Zenon entertainment.

2260
01:21:27,790 --> 01:21:28,150
Yeah.

2261
01:21:28,830 --> 01:21:29,730
Nick is Zenon.

2262
01:21:29,850 --> 01:21:30,450
Thank you, Nick.

2263
01:21:30,550 --> 01:21:31,050
Appreciate it.

2264
01:21:31,210 --> 01:21:32,930
And he says in his message in here

2265
01:21:32,930 --> 01:21:34,690
is, can you please remove the following feeds

2266
01:21:34,690 --> 01:21:36,430
from the index, which I clearly never did

2267
01:21:36,430 --> 01:21:37,490
since I just saw this.

2268
01:21:38,470 --> 01:21:39,270
We'll fix it.

2269
01:21:39,790 --> 01:21:40,470
So that's not good.

2270
01:21:41,670 --> 01:21:43,510
Jesse Hunter gave us $10.

2271
01:21:43,870 --> 01:21:44,530
Thank you, Jesse.

2272
01:21:44,690 --> 01:21:45,270
Appreciate that.

2273
01:21:46,170 --> 01:21:48,210
Uh, and this is going to be, this

2274
01:21:48,210 --> 01:21:49,650
is going to be monthlies as well in

2275
01:21:49,650 --> 01:21:49,850
here.

2276
01:21:50,150 --> 01:21:51,630
And remember you have to get comics for

2277
01:21:51,630 --> 01:21:52,650
comics or blogger.

2278
01:21:52,830 --> 01:21:55,030
Uh, you have to get his, uh, I

2279
01:21:55,030 --> 01:21:55,350
got him.

2280
01:21:55,470 --> 01:21:55,830
I got it.

2281
01:21:55,830 --> 01:21:56,250
All right, cool.

2282
01:21:56,930 --> 01:21:57,170
Yeah.

2283
01:21:57,290 --> 01:21:58,330
These are the monthly PayPal.

2284
01:21:58,470 --> 01:22:00,010
These are a mix of one awesome monthly

2285
01:22:00,010 --> 01:22:00,670
PayPal's here.

2286
01:22:01,150 --> 01:22:04,170
Um, Chad Faro, $20 and 22 cents.

2287
01:22:04,190 --> 01:22:04,610
Thank you, Chad.

2288
01:22:04,730 --> 01:22:05,770
F appreciate you.

2289
01:22:06,330 --> 01:22:07,970
Uh, Cameron rose $25.

2290
01:22:08,170 --> 01:22:08,890
Thank you, Cameron.

2291
01:22:09,190 --> 01:22:10,710
Uh, Kevin Bay, $5.

2292
01:22:11,210 --> 01:22:12,010
Thanks, Kevin.

2293
01:22:12,230 --> 01:22:15,730
Uh, Mark Graham, $1, uh, pod page.

2294
01:22:15,810 --> 01:22:16,250
That's Brendan.

2295
01:22:16,410 --> 01:22:17,830
We just talked about pod page earlier.

2296
01:22:18,170 --> 01:22:18,650
$25.

2297
01:22:18,970 --> 01:22:19,490
Thanks guys.

2298
01:22:19,970 --> 01:22:20,890
Uh, new media.

2299
01:22:20,910 --> 01:22:22,890
That is a Martin Lindesco $1.

2300
01:22:22,890 --> 01:22:26,530
Uh, and here's the December from Randall black

2301
01:22:26,530 --> 01:22:27,970
to accompany his August.

2302
01:22:28,050 --> 01:22:28,450
Wow.

2303
01:22:28,490 --> 01:22:29,450
For the previous one, $5.

2304
01:22:29,930 --> 01:22:30,090
Okay.

2305
01:22:30,490 --> 01:22:32,330
And Joseph Morocco, $5.

2306
01:22:33,330 --> 01:22:35,410
Uh, Oscar Mary, $200.

2307
01:22:35,790 --> 01:22:36,050
Thank you.

2308
01:22:36,110 --> 01:22:36,310
Oscar.

2309
01:22:36,410 --> 01:22:37,870
I'll give you a little baller for that,

2310
01:22:37,950 --> 01:22:38,090
brother.

2311
01:22:38,230 --> 01:22:38,910
Thank you so much.

2312
01:22:43,750 --> 01:22:46,690
And upbeat, the upbeats music podcasts in us.

2313
01:22:47,190 --> 01:22:49,590
$11 and 11 cents with a note.

2314
01:22:49,690 --> 01:22:50,410
Salty crayon.

2315
01:22:50,450 --> 01:22:50,730
Yes.

2316
01:22:51,290 --> 01:22:51,630
Thank you.

2317
01:22:51,630 --> 01:22:53,510
Salty says just a short row of cut

2318
01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:55,510
bucks before we kick off the Christmas giving

2319
01:22:55,510 --> 01:22:59,070
season of sets, the pongs, juicing the Jason's

2320
01:22:59,070 --> 01:23:00,610
and slashing the pseudo's in the pipe.

2321
01:23:02,010 --> 01:23:02,830
I like it.

2322
01:23:02,930 --> 01:23:03,230
Good one.

2323
01:23:03,770 --> 01:23:04,190
Yeah.

2324
01:23:04,210 --> 01:23:04,670
I like this.

2325
01:23:05,090 --> 01:23:06,550
Um, we got some boosts here.

2326
01:23:06,630 --> 01:23:08,670
Let me scroll down.

2327
01:23:08,970 --> 01:23:09,570
All right.

2328
01:23:09,570 --> 01:23:11,870
We got, uh, Steve Webb.

2329
01:23:11,970 --> 01:23:12,750
Oh, Hey, Steve.

2330
01:23:12,850 --> 01:23:15,310
Uh, right there.

2331
01:23:15,390 --> 01:23:15,610
Yeah.

2332
01:23:15,990 --> 01:23:16,610
Striper boost.

2333
01:23:16,690 --> 01:23:17,270
Great sound.

2334
01:23:17,330 --> 01:23:19,790
Heard it on podcasting 2.0. Uh, we

2335
01:23:19,790 --> 01:23:24,250
got 20,000 sats from, uh, Chris lass

2336
01:23:24,250 --> 01:23:25,650
from Chris at Jupiter.

2337
01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:28,830
He says, happy to help test and transition

2338
01:23:28,830 --> 01:23:31,670
things at Jupiter broadcasting as apt transition off

2339
01:23:31,670 --> 01:23:32,450
the Albie API.

2340
01:23:32,770 --> 01:23:34,630
After listening today, my biggest concern would be

2341
01:23:34,630 --> 01:23:37,230
losing the info in the TLV record and

2342
01:23:37,230 --> 01:23:39,330
how to handle the transition in our value

2343
01:23:39,330 --> 01:23:39,670
tags.

2344
01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:42,550
Yes, Chris, I think we've, we're, we're working

2345
01:23:42,550 --> 01:23:42,990
on that.

2346
01:23:43,190 --> 01:23:43,430
Yep.

2347
01:23:43,490 --> 01:23:44,310
Stay tuned.

2348
01:23:44,650 --> 01:23:45,130
Yeah.

2349
01:23:45,130 --> 01:23:47,050
Jump in the, uh, jump in the discussion

2350
01:23:47,050 --> 01:23:50,850
over there, Chris at, uh, discussion, six 76

2351
01:23:50,850 --> 01:23:51,490
on the repo.

2352
01:23:51,670 --> 01:23:51,930
That's right.

2353
01:23:52,190 --> 01:23:56,230
In the show notes, uh, 1701 be Dentsy

2354
01:23:56,230 --> 01:23:59,030
true fans zap from episode two Oh one

2355
01:23:59,030 --> 01:23:59,790
fugue state.

2356
01:24:00,450 --> 01:24:01,070
Thank you.

2357
01:24:01,110 --> 01:24:01,510
Be Dentsy.

2358
01:24:02,190 --> 01:24:05,310
Uh, we've got Scott and that is spelled

2359
01:24:05,310 --> 01:24:07,390
S dot C dot O dot T dot

2360
01:24:07,390 --> 01:24:07,870
T.

2361
01:24:09,430 --> 01:24:10,750
3420 sats through podcast.

2362
01:24:10,750 --> 01:24:14,030
I'm also on the spectrum and certain sounds

2363
01:24:14,030 --> 01:24:15,710
can be extremely amplified for me.

2364
01:24:16,010 --> 01:24:17,390
You know, okay.

2365
01:24:17,510 --> 01:24:20,610
So he was, he was boosting this live

2366
01:24:20,610 --> 01:24:22,830
during the last show because when I did

2367
01:24:22,830 --> 01:24:26,550
the update to roadcaster, they completely screwed up

2368
01:24:26,550 --> 01:24:27,010
something.

2369
01:24:27,070 --> 01:24:29,170
I haven't quite figured it out yet.

2370
01:24:29,810 --> 01:24:33,230
Um, and so my noise gate was tripping

2371
01:24:33,230 --> 01:24:34,990
and it was all kinds of stuff going

2372
01:24:34,990 --> 01:24:35,350
on.

2373
01:24:35,670 --> 01:24:37,410
He said he could hear my vape, although

2374
01:24:37,410 --> 01:24:39,210
I'm very careful to mute when I vape.

2375
01:24:39,770 --> 01:24:43,350
Um, and, uh, I, I'm very disappointed in

2376
01:24:43,350 --> 01:24:44,490
road for doing that.

2377
01:24:44,650 --> 01:24:48,230
So they, they upgraded, they upgraded my experience

2378
01:24:48,230 --> 01:24:50,370
and they ruined my processing settings.

2379
01:24:50,370 --> 01:24:53,070
So I've been dialing in every single podcast

2380
01:24:53,070 --> 01:24:53,850
all over again.

2381
01:24:54,070 --> 01:24:57,030
Um, are you taking screenshots?

2382
01:24:58,170 --> 01:25:00,970
It's has, it's impossible to do.

2383
01:25:01,270 --> 01:25:03,590
Um, I just do it by ear and,

2384
01:25:03,850 --> 01:25:04,970
and I save it.

2385
01:25:04,970 --> 01:25:05,910
I save frequently.

2386
01:25:07,190 --> 01:25:10,810
Um, but actually it's given me an opportunity

2387
01:25:10,810 --> 01:25:12,670
to reevaluate the processing.

2388
01:25:12,970 --> 01:25:14,910
So, uh, it's kind of a good thing,

2389
01:25:14,930 --> 01:25:17,270
but I still think that, uh, the technology

2390
01:25:17,270 --> 01:25:19,170
company dealing in audio, if you do an

2391
01:25:19,170 --> 01:25:21,150
update, it should not change processing.

2392
01:25:21,470 --> 01:25:22,110
Shame on you.

2393
01:25:23,210 --> 01:25:25,870
Um, I just checked, I haven't done anything

2394
01:25:25,870 --> 01:25:26,210
on mine.

2395
01:25:26,250 --> 01:25:27,550
I just checked and it says there's a

2396
01:25:27,550 --> 01:25:28,570
firmware update available.

2397
01:25:28,710 --> 01:25:29,350
Should I do it right now?

2398
01:25:30,290 --> 01:25:33,050
Do you really want pain before the weekend?

2399
01:25:34,430 --> 01:25:38,770
No, out of London, 1948 sets through podverse.

2400
01:25:38,850 --> 01:25:39,870
He says it's been a while since I

2401
01:25:39,870 --> 01:25:40,450
could boost live.

2402
01:25:40,670 --> 01:25:43,010
Seems like only after I publicly criticized things,

2403
01:25:43,150 --> 01:25:44,970
I was able to read off my podcast

2404
01:25:44,970 --> 01:25:45,670
apps without me.

2405
01:25:46,170 --> 01:25:48,830
I also suffered a 14 million sat loss

2406
01:25:48,830 --> 01:25:51,850
in a deliberate attack on my API, exploiting

2407
01:25:51,850 --> 01:25:53,970
a technical failure in my coding back here

2408
01:25:53,970 --> 01:25:55,370
again, though, boosting live.

2409
01:25:55,430 --> 01:25:55,990
All right.

2410
01:25:56,630 --> 01:25:59,510
14 million sats is not an insignificant number.

2411
01:25:59,990 --> 01:26:02,050
No, no, that's a lot of money.

2412
01:26:02,750 --> 01:26:04,330
Uh, sorry to hear that, brother.

2413
01:26:04,570 --> 01:26:04,890
Sorry.

2414
01:26:05,610 --> 01:26:07,250
Yeah, man, that, that blows dude.

2415
01:26:07,390 --> 01:26:08,710
You tripped with the scissors.

2416
01:26:09,910 --> 01:26:11,710
Uh, right in the neck, right in the

2417
01:26:11,710 --> 01:26:12,110
jugular.

2418
01:26:13,530 --> 01:26:15,790
Karen from the memorials podcast, a satchel of

2419
01:26:15,790 --> 01:26:17,750
Richards one, one, one, one through fountain.

2420
01:26:17,790 --> 01:26:19,590
He says, because I know you guys like

2421
01:26:19,590 --> 01:26:21,210
being careful with your words.

2422
01:26:21,710 --> 01:26:25,750
Bitcoin is disinflationary, not deflationary.

2423
01:26:25,810 --> 01:26:26,330
Thank you.

2424
01:26:26,390 --> 01:26:27,530
Good point.

2425
01:26:28,350 --> 01:26:31,110
IE more comes out, but at a slower

2426
01:26:31,110 --> 01:26:31,610
rate.

2427
01:26:32,030 --> 01:26:34,570
Ethereum with its burn mechanism makes it at

2428
01:26:34,570 --> 01:26:35,770
times deflationary.

2429
01:26:35,870 --> 01:26:38,030
IE there is less of the total supply.

2430
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:42,560
Yes, you're correct.

2431
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:45,480
Disinflationary, not deflationary.

2432
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:46,600
He makes a point.

2433
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:47,600
I believe he's okay.

2434
01:26:48,220 --> 01:26:50,320
So deflationary would be.

2435
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:53,740
He actually, the money supply actually goes down.

2436
01:26:53,860 --> 01:26:54,160
Yes.

2437
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:58,940
Although there has to be some sort of

2438
01:26:58,940 --> 01:27:02,060
steady rate of loss, right?

2439
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:03,200
Yeah.

2440
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:05,780
There has been loss over time.

2441
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:07,340
Probably less now than there used to be.

2442
01:27:07,580 --> 01:27:09,700
Oh, there's millions of Satoshi's are gone.

2443
01:27:10,220 --> 01:27:12,540
They're just, they're just millions of bitcoins.

2444
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:12,800
Yeah.

2445
01:27:13,860 --> 01:27:14,220
Hmm.

2446
01:27:14,440 --> 01:27:14,680
Okay.

2447
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:15,000
Interesting.

2448
01:27:15,100 --> 01:27:15,320
All right.

2449
01:27:15,580 --> 01:27:15,980
Thanks Karen.

2450
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:17,400
Cole McCormick.

2451
01:27:18,060 --> 01:27:19,000
One, one, one, one.

2452
01:27:19,020 --> 01:27:19,880
Satchel Richards through fountain.

2453
01:27:19,940 --> 01:27:21,460
He says, I'm ride or die with fountain.

2454
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:23,500
Thanks for introducing me to Nostra, Oscar.

2455
01:27:23,500 --> 01:27:24,460
I see the vision.

2456
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:26,700
No, we've got a believer.

2457
01:27:26,940 --> 01:27:27,100
All right.

2458
01:27:27,260 --> 01:27:27,780
Laser eyes.

2459
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:31,380
Laser eyes, laser eyes.

2460
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:31,860
Yeah.

2461
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:35,140
Chad F 77, 77 through Curio Castor.

2462
01:27:35,220 --> 01:27:36,960
He says, thanks for all you do, Oscar.

2463
01:27:38,260 --> 01:27:39,440
Uh, salty crayon.

2464
01:27:39,580 --> 01:27:41,540
Satchel Richard through Curio Castor.

2465
01:27:41,620 --> 01:27:43,000
He says, ping in the palms, using the

2466
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:44,300
Jason's go podcasting.

2467
01:27:46,260 --> 01:27:49,680
Uh, Jew, Jew hole.

2468
01:27:50,420 --> 01:27:51,380
Oh, I don't know how to say.

2469
01:27:52,020 --> 01:27:55,600
J U H O E E, uh, J

2470
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:58,260
U H O E E M E L

2471
01:27:58,260 --> 01:27:58,480
I.

2472
01:27:59,820 --> 01:28:00,560
Do you hold them?

2473
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:01,260
Do you hold Emily?

2474
01:28:01,700 --> 01:28:02,100
Okay.

2475
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:02,520
Okay.

2476
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:03,140
I don't know.

2477
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:07,400
Uh, Satchel Richards, uh, through fountain and just

2478
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:07,980
a smiley face.

2479
01:28:07,980 --> 01:28:08,660
Thank you.

2480
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:11,020
That's a 22, 22 total boost.

2481
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:12,120
We got a fraction of that.

2482
01:28:13,460 --> 01:28:16,380
Gene Everett, 33, 33 through fountain.

2483
01:28:16,480 --> 01:28:17,180
He says boost.

2484
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:17,740
Yeah.

2485
01:28:17,780 --> 01:28:18,080
Okay.

2486
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:19,260
We can do one of those.

2487
01:28:19,460 --> 01:28:19,680
I don't know.

2488
01:28:19,700 --> 01:28:20,080
Where is that?

2489
01:28:20,140 --> 01:28:21,100
Oh, there we go.

2490
01:28:22,140 --> 01:28:23,240
Uh, let's see.

2491
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:26,660
Oh, is this, uh, did you read this

2492
01:28:26,660 --> 01:28:26,800
one?

2493
01:28:26,860 --> 01:28:28,260
It says, uh, about your vaping.

2494
01:28:28,620 --> 01:28:29,060
Yes.

2495
01:28:29,300 --> 01:28:31,700
That was the same, same thing.

2496
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:31,920
Yeah.

2497
01:28:32,580 --> 01:28:32,980
Okay.

2498
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:35,580
Uh, and let's see.

2499
01:28:37,020 --> 01:28:38,620
I have a deep dive into Albie hub.

2500
01:28:38,700 --> 01:28:39,740
I'm concerned about failures.

2501
01:28:39,740 --> 01:28:40,860
Like you were just talking about.

2502
01:28:41,740 --> 01:28:42,300
Let's see.

2503
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:43,980
That's D D Schwartz.

2504
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:46,100
Uh, it says, have you done a deep

2505
01:28:46,100 --> 01:28:47,360
dive into Albie hub?

2506
01:28:47,420 --> 01:28:48,860
I'm concerned about failures.

2507
01:28:48,860 --> 01:28:50,040
Like you were just talking about.

2508
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:51,360
And as a listener, I don't want to

2509
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:52,960
pay upwards of $20 a month for the

2510
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:54,120
cloud version of Albie hub.

2511
01:28:54,380 --> 01:28:56,260
So the question is, can I use podcast

2512
01:28:56,260 --> 01:28:57,880
guru without an Albie wallet?

2513
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:01,620
And I think the answer to that is

2514
01:29:01,620 --> 01:29:02,560
no, not right now.

2515
01:29:02,700 --> 01:29:03,100
Not now.

2516
01:29:03,220 --> 01:29:03,380
No.

2517
01:29:05,060 --> 01:29:08,960
Now, now what, what Jason and Alex over

2518
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:10,900
there have cooked up for that?

2519
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:11,900
I don't, I don't know.

2520
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:14,100
I mean, I'm assuming they're going to try

2521
01:29:14,100 --> 01:29:17,400
to allow you to connect to strike, but

2522
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:18,640
that's just an assumption on my part.

2523
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:19,860
I can't, I don't know that for a

2524
01:29:19,860 --> 01:29:20,100
fact.

2525
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:22,800
Um, yeah.

2526
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:24,600
So let's stay tuned is all I can

2527
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:24,860
say.

2528
01:29:25,380 --> 01:29:28,620
Uh, ginonymous 69 69 and no note.

2529
01:29:28,700 --> 01:29:28,960
Thank you.

2530
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:29,380
Ginonymous.

2531
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:30,020
Appreciate that.

2532
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:32,900
And we got the delimiter.

2533
01:29:33,460 --> 01:29:37,080
Yeah, go ahead.

2534
01:29:37,180 --> 01:29:38,420
I'll say something afterwards.

2535
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:40,920
16,000 sats through fountain.

2536
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:43,460
He says, howdy, Dave and Adam.

2537
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:44,440
Hey there.

2538
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:45,940
Audio fetishists.

2539
01:29:46,140 --> 01:29:48,380
Are you tired of podcasts that are about

2540
01:29:48,380 --> 01:29:50,080
as stimulating as a flatline?

2541
01:29:50,100 --> 01:29:53,160
Do you crave something that tickles your eardrums

2542
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:54,300
in all the right places?

2543
01:29:55,240 --> 01:30:00,900
Introducing 20,000 Hertz from www.twentyk.org.

2544
01:30:01,060 --> 01:30:03,360
The podcast that'll make you feel like you're

2545
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:06,620
getting a sensual massage from the sound waves

2546
01:30:06,620 --> 01:30:08,600
hosted by Dallas Taylor.

2547
01:30:08,860 --> 01:30:11,000
This show dives deep into the world of

2548
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:11,380
sound.

2549
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:13,080
It's not just a podcast.

2550
01:30:13,540 --> 01:30:15,020
It's an oral assault.

2551
01:30:15,180 --> 01:30:15,880
You won't forget.

2552
01:30:16,380 --> 01:30:17,340
Yo, CSB.

2553
01:30:17,900 --> 01:30:18,120
Thank you.

2554
01:30:18,140 --> 01:30:18,620
CSB.

2555
01:30:18,620 --> 01:30:19,920
I'm going to strike what I was going

2556
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:20,160
to say.

2557
01:30:20,460 --> 01:30:21,040
Thank you.

2558
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:23,320
I'm going to say jet.

2559
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:24,400
This feels chat.

2560
01:30:24,540 --> 01:30:25,480
GPT ish.

2561
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:27,840
You think?

2562
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:30,640
Yes.

2563
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:31,080
Chat.

2564
01:30:31,140 --> 01:30:32,080
CSB chat.

2565
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:32,580
Chat.

2566
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:33,160
CSB.

2567
01:30:33,220 --> 01:30:33,640
That's it.

2568
01:30:33,700 --> 01:30:33,920
Chat.

2569
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:34,900
CSB.com.

2570
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:35,340
Everybody.

2571
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:37,820
Uh, that's it.

2572
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:38,960
That's our, that's our group.

2573
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:40,620
Well, thank you all for supporting us.

2574
01:30:40,660 --> 01:30:41,520
Value for value.

2575
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:43,940
This is, uh, and actually this will be

2576
01:30:43,940 --> 01:30:47,300
in the documentary to how this entire project,

2577
01:30:47,300 --> 01:30:49,840
how the podcast index.org, all the machines,

2578
01:30:50,060 --> 01:30:53,560
all the, all the aggregators, everything that's running,

2579
01:30:53,620 --> 01:30:55,280
it all runs because of you.

2580
01:30:55,420 --> 01:30:58,600
We have, uh, liquidity available on the note.

2581
01:30:58,700 --> 01:31:00,320
I keep seeing people saying, I can't get

2582
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:00,760
a channel.

2583
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:02,980
Just, just tag me or email me.

2584
01:31:03,020 --> 01:31:03,960
Adam mccurry.com.

2585
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:06,040
I'll be happy to open a channel to

2586
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:06,200
you.

2587
01:31:06,260 --> 01:31:08,100
That is part of the service that we

2588
01:31:08,100 --> 01:31:08,500
provide.

2589
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:09,840
And we appreciate it.

2590
01:31:09,860 --> 01:31:11,400
Go to podcast index.org down at the

2591
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:11,600
bottom.

2592
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:12,660
If you want to send us some fiat

2593
01:31:12,660 --> 01:31:15,080
fund coupons, there's a big red donate button.

2594
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:16,040
You can send us a PayPal.

2595
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:18,040
And of course we always appreciate your boost.

2596
01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:19,900
All right.

2597
01:31:20,500 --> 01:31:23,340
Um, you're only 15 minutes late and I,

2598
01:31:23,380 --> 01:31:24,020
I got a boogie.

2599
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:26,100
In fact, the show will not be up

2600
01:31:26,100 --> 01:31:27,220
as quickly as usual.

2601
01:31:27,220 --> 01:31:28,900
Cause I'm running right out of the studio.

2602
01:31:29,060 --> 01:31:30,580
I got to go take my dog to

2603
01:31:30,580 --> 01:31:30,860
the vet.

2604
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:33,160
Got to get back before the parade closes

2605
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:34,440
off the streets in Fredericksburg.

2606
01:31:35,140 --> 01:31:36,700
And you got to get back in this

2607
01:31:36,700 --> 01:31:37,580
time to drive the float.

2608
01:31:37,780 --> 01:31:38,140
Yeah.

2609
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:39,680
Yes.

2610
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:40,200
Yeah.

2611
01:31:40,260 --> 01:31:41,800
The big come and take it float.

2612
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:42,500
That's the one.

2613
01:31:42,500 --> 01:31:43,180
Yeah.

2614
01:31:44,060 --> 01:31:44,860
All right, brother.

2615
01:31:44,980 --> 01:31:46,740
Have a great weekend, Dave.

2616
01:31:46,940 --> 01:31:47,280
All right, man.

2617
01:31:47,300 --> 01:31:47,700
You too, bro.

2618
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:48,120
All right.

2619
01:31:48,140 --> 01:31:48,860
Everybody else.

2620
01:31:49,620 --> 01:31:52,200
Boardroom participants of podcasting 2.0. Have a

2621
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:52,660
great weekend.

2622
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:53,620
Thank you for being here.

2623
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:55,560
We'll be back next Friday for another edition

2624
01:31:55,560 --> 01:32:13,100
of podcasting 2.0. You

2625
01:32:13,100 --> 01:32:17,760
have been listening to podcasting 2.0 visit

2626
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:21,220
podcastindex.org for more information.

2627
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:24,440
Do it, do it.

2628
01:32:24,480 --> 01:32:25,000
Just do it.