Podcasting 2.0 for April 24th, 2025, episode
218, Vibe Coding.
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end, the one, the only Mr. Dave Jones.
Don't say that out loud.
It's always true.
No, it's always true.
Your MVPs always work out of the box,
bug-free.
Bug-free.
That'll be the day.
It's true.
I mean, it may not work as intended,
but it's bug-free.
There's a difference.
There's a difference, you see.
If you want to talk about unintended, the
toot I just made about the show, about
going live on episodes.fm, I'm sure I
screwed this up somehow again because this is
the easiest thing possible, and I mess it
up every single time.
Then you just copy the URL and then
paste it.
That's what I did.
That's what I did this time, and for
some reason it says in the open graph
card that comes up as the preview, it
says undefined.
It says listen live to undefined.
I'm podcasting to it.
I see it too, undefined.
Well, that's actually not your fault.
I think it's just, no, this is the
thing I've noticed with episodes.fm. It comes
up as undefined on live shows.
For some reason it says.
Yeah, there you go.
Your link was right, but it says undefined,
and I'm not sure why.
Nathan said that's my fault.
Yes!
Woo!
Yes!
I told you.
Your MVP post was bug-free.
When Nathan says it's my fault, what that
means is I nailed it.
You did.
You nailed it.
I did my part.
That Control-C, Control-V action?
Yeah, yeah.
Was super perfect.
Do you remember when the first iPhone didn't
even have that?
I do.
You could not copy paste?
It got lampooned.
Yeah, and everybody was like, how could they
ever do that?
I mean, talk about an MVP.
The most basic computer function in the world,
they launched without it.
It was, you know, I got the like.
And somehow they're worth, you know, all the
money in the whole world.
So I got my Light Phone 3.
Speaking of copy paste.
You know, I wanted it.
I lived the Light Phone 1 lifestyle, you
know, the Light Phone 2 lifestyle for a
while.
Yeah, yeah.
And I wanted the Light Phone 3 so
bad, but it was significantly more expensive than
the Light Phone 2.
And so I just, man, I just couldn't
pull the trigger.
Well, I mean, you're basically paying for a
GoFundMe, you know, because you had to pre
-order.
And, you know, I like those guys a
lot.
I like their concept.
I like what they're doing.
So I'm like, yeah, it's expensive because the
thing was 500 bucks.
And I was like, that's a lot for
a phone that does very little.
But I think they nailed it.
Let me just put it this way.
They've almost nailed it.
This thing is fantastic.
And I've gotten to the point where it's
a joy to use for what it does.
Where the Light Phone 2, although I like
that really small form factor, so this is
a little bit bigger.
I mean, it's a useful tool.
It's not just I have this thing because
I don't want to use a phone.
It's like I have this thing because I
really only need a phone, a calendar, a
camera, an alarm, podcasts, directions, some notes, a
hotspot.
You know, I think that's about it.
They got music.
I don't use music.
Notes is handy.
But they've just nailed it.
And the, you know, because it's a little
bigger now.
I mean, typing on it, although you can
also use voice to text.
It is really, really nice.
You know, it'll come down in price.
It'll come down in price.
It's if I, here's the problem.
If I didn't have this in this, I'm
glad I did the light phone to experiment.
Yeah.
Because it told me where my actual pain
points are.
And where were they for you?
Okay.
So like, if you look at my, I've
actually noticed this recently.
If you look at my, the iPhone is
good about, it'll tell you what your usage
is.
Like it, it actually tells you a lot.
It'll say, you know, you're for the past
week, you've averaged this number of hours of
usage per day.
And mine's actually, it's always been fairly low,
but the last three, four months, it's been
like very low.
I mean like a barely over an hour
a day.
It's like, and that's all the pickups, all
the stuff.
It was, it's like an hour 15, something
like that average a day.
And I just, I really just have gotten
myself out of the phone habit a lot.
Oh, that's good.
Congratulations.
Yeah.
Thanks.
But the thing is, um, and so that
tells that, that's what made me think I
could use the light phone too.
I'm like, well, I just don't use the
phone in a heavy way already.
But then the thing that hurt the most
was, um, when, when the, when,
if I'm trying, if I'm trying to get
something for work, like for my day job,
there's like, it just all falls apart.
You know, you can't do anything.
Oh no.
You can't do anything.
There's no MFA.
There's no one-time, uh, one-time password
MFA.
There's no, um, uh, link, uh, there's no
QR code scanning.
No.
There's no way to, um, to get a
link to something to sign in.
It's just like all that stuff.
Is it's just not, it just doesn't work.
Right.
And I can't like, I just can't use
it.
That means I have to carry two phones
because if you're, if you're in any corporate
environment or not, I mean, a one-time
password is a must.
You just have to have it.
I mean, it's your lifestyle.
Your alternative lifestyle is just not conducive to
this because you're, you're a dude named Ben.
So you, you've got the, uh, you know,
you've got the inherent responsibility of always being
there for the actual emergency.
Uh, whereas, I mean, if I just have
my, uh, graphene OS phone, I mean, you
know, I, I look at it and it's
like, Oh, there's a message here.
There's a message there.
There's WhatsApp from Europe.
There's a signal message from the various, you
know, stuff that we're doing in groups.
But if I'm just going out to dinner
or from going out to walk the dog
or, you know, just to go to the
store, I don't need anything more and I,
and that's just fortunate for my life.
Uh, and it's, and by the way, the
camera's pretty decent.
It has a flashlight.
Talk about a critical, uh, a critical piece.
Yeah.
You know, the podcast player, obviously I wish
it could do value for value.
Uh, I wish it showed images, but the
main thing, the two main things that are
improvements is just the form factor.
So it's easier to type, uh, than the,
than the light phone too was.
And, uh, it does MMS, you know, it
shows images that are on the light phone
to the images will go to your email.
So I just want to see what image
someone posts.
And you know, if someone hearts a message
on an iPhone or whatever, and then it
shows up as so-and-so hearted the
iPhone hearted this message.
So at least I can participate in groups
anyway.
So that, that textual representation of a, of
a, like an emoji or an, or an
action where it says, you know, someone liked
or someone hearted or would it, is that
part of the, is that part of the
new spec?
Was it our, uh, our, uh, RCS RCS?
Is that part of RCS?
Well, it worked.
So if I, I use an RCS client
on my graphene OS and then that actually
works quite well, integrates well with iPhones.
And it's very much a, you know, you
still show up as a green bubble.
So people know you're a loser.
Um, but MMS, you know, so it, it
just sends the code like someone hearted this,
you know, or someone did a thumbs up
on this.
So it doesn't actually show up as a
thumbs up on the, on the message.
So, but so, but so I can get
by very well.
Then it's responsive.
It's just great.
I don't want to talk too much about
the phone, but I was just, just want
to throw that at you because I know
that you were interested.
Well, uh, BitPunk in the, in the boardroom
said, I've been liking the Hibby M3 M300
as a non-phone music player lately.
It's basically an Android without cell and has
a three and a half millimeter jack.
This is actually pretty interesting.
So I guess if you can put apps
on it, you can get your podcast.
That's exactly what I don't want because then
I'll put another app on, Oh, let me
put the Coinbase app on it.
Oh, let me have this app.
Let me, that before you know it, I'm
operating on a stupidly small slow phone for
all the stuff I should do on my
regular phone.
But it's not a phone.
No, but apps, I mean, who calls me?
Nobody calls me.
I mean, I have a T-Mobile digits
on my, on my graphene OS.
So I, I in effect don't need to,
it's a phone.
Now the minute you put that on there,
it does text message and it does calling
just over wifi.
Yeah.
That's see, this, this is the evolution that
I went through with with the light phone
to experiment.
I went, I was like, I'm not using
the phone much anyway.
I want, I want to just kind of
get rid of it altogether out of my
life.
And so I got the, got the light
phone for the first two to three weeks.
It was like wonderful.
And then I was like, and then I
started to feel the pain points.
And so I brought my iPhone back into
my life.
And so then I had two phones.
I had, I had the iPhone which would
stay like it actually stayed at work.
It was at the office.
I just left it at my desk all
the time.
And then I had the light phone I
would carry around with me.
My thought was while I'm at work, then
I'll need MFA and that kind of thing.
And then like what happened was two times
in the same day, I was not at
the office and I had to log in
remotely.
And I was like, I can't do this.
I can't.
Anyway, it was bad.
So here's a just switching gears is an
interesting statistic for you.
Okay.
The current podcasting base, I guess this is
for the United States, $2.4 billion and
everybody in the boardroom is broke.
It's amazing.
Is this the podcast industrial base?
Yes.
Everybody who was working on improving this, who
was building apps, who was, you know, the
whole index project we're broke, but somewhere there's
$2.4 billion floating around out of, how
does that work?
400,000 active feeds.
I'm amazed.
I'm amazed how it works.
These numbers bull crap is how it works.
These numbers kill me.
Where is all that?
It's like, do you, do people know how
much $2.4 billion is?
That's $2,400,000,000.
I actually have, I think I have a
clip and I think Alex Gates sent this
to me.
I wonder if I actually clipped that.
It was from what's the Scrooge McDuck.
It was a Scrooge McDuck cartoon.
I guess I didn't clip it.
And, and he's talking to the kids and
you know, as a Christmas tree filled with
dollars and he says, how many dollars do
you think is on their kids?
That must be a billion dollars.
Uncle Scrooge.
It's like, no, that's no more than a
hundred, a billion dollars.
If you stack the dollar bills up would
circumvent the globe four times.
That's how much a billion dollars is.
So this would go around, this would go
around 10 times.
This is how much money this is.
This is silliness.
Kiwi bones says market cap is always fake.
That's what this is.
This is a market cap and those numbers
are always baloney.
It includes, you know, I heart radio.
And so I heart radio, they, you know,
money's fungible for them.
Like, well, yeah, a big part of that
advertising buy went to our podcasting group.
Of course.
Sure.
You can just attribute it however you want.
And who knows if podcasts are in there
and you know, YouTube, so-called YouTube podcasts.
I don't know.
But as long as everybody's happy, it's good.
And you know, advertisers think, Oh, this is,
I got to get in here.
It's at least 1% of the entire
online marketing, marketing money.
But how much of that is YouTube money
too?
Yeah.
We don't know.
So I do like this.
I don't know if you've had a chance
to look at SPC from Spurlock.
I have not looked at it at all.
No.
It's too bad.
I know what it is, but this is
good.
You can explain it to me.
Well, I can't, but I was completely counting
on you to be able to explain all
the ins and outs of it, but I've
followed along and I think it's a really
good idea.
Um, because you know, it, it maintains the,
uh, you know, the anonymity of the user.
It's not spying on users and it would
be such a, a lift to the, you
know, to the podcast apps that are, you
know, part of our group and who, you
know, who are just trying to build good
things.
If we can find a way to have
the apps benefit as well, then that's the
piece that is missing still because the apps
in essence participate in a way to make
advertise tracking better by giving, you know, some
statistics on some real listening statistics that go
beyond what you can get from Apple and
Spotify.
Um, and it may have to be implemented
at the host level.
I'm not sure.
Um, but that's, that's really where it all
breaks down.
It's like, how do we get the, that,
you know, that's why value, I like value
for value so much because the apps can
participate in the value flow and we, and
we kind of fix that.
Although it seems incredibly broken.
A lot of the development is now moved
towards integrating Noster and I've honestly, I've lost
track, um, of exactly what's happening and you
know, there's such a purist map.
With what?
What do you mean?
You've lost track of with what?
Well, I mean, we basically have, you know,
if you don't have Albi hub, you're not
participating even though it's set up, it's set
up to, you know, to where it works
fine with strike.
Um, you know, I, I think that I
think it's still 95% of all transactions,
not amounts, but transactions come from a pod,
uh, from a fountain, fountain, some of the
bigger numbers actually still pod versus still, and
you know, bigger transactions come from pod versus
at least what I'm seeing.
Um, uh, but if, you know, there, honestly,
I think there's such a purist maximalist movement,
um, not really wanting to integrate any KYC
based apps or anything that, uh, that reeks
of, you know, something that's not completely independent
that it's hurt because the people who are
participating basically either have a Noster set up.
So they're zapping in or, you know, you
have an Albi hub and that, and that's
just a nonstarter for, for most people to
get into it.
So, um, um, I mean, I, I still
use it.
I still receive sats.
I'm still super happy, but you know, I
saw the, they had another concert, a live
concert, and then the income was just not
great.
Now I think they did 900,000 sats
for the whole evening.
It probably from the same 50 people.
So it just, it still hasn't really taken
off the way it could or maybe should.
And there's a lot of lightning development though.
I think breeze just released some, some new,
I have to look it up.
I think they released some, let me see,
is it breeze dot technology?
I think, I believe they released some new,
um, missed, is it misty breeze?
Yeah.
Uh, misty breeze is the simplest self custodial
app for sending and receiving Bitcoin payments powered
by breeze SDK.
Notice the app demonstrates the SDK is full
capability showcases best practices.
They have something that is kind of like
a snap on you could add into your
app right away.
I just don't know if, um, if it
does what we need it to do.
Cause I haven't looked at it yet, but
there's just a lot of lightning development happening,
which is good.
So maybe, maybe more and more will be
integrated over time.
It just, it seems like, it seems like
the, the, the lightning, the lightning stuff all
comes down to having an app like strike
real.
I mean, if, if key send is dead,
then having an app like strike is that's
what you're going to end up with.
I mean, um, you, you gotta have something
that you can like, I mean, even if
you saw, even if you had, even if
Albie came back today, custodial Albie, even if
that came back today, you would still have
this friction of onboarding.
Yeah.
And the beauty of the strike experience is
that it makes the onboarding effortless.
Like you really don't need, you don't, it
gets rid of that, but then you, but
you have to tell somebody to go get
strike.
Yeah.
Um, and so, which isn't that different from
what people have to do already.
I mean, it's like, it's like having a
credit card or having anything.
I mean, if you're going to pay with
somebody, you have to have a payment mechanism
in place.
And for this, that, that, that payment mechanism,
well, I think it'd be strike.
It fell down.
The whole thing fell apart, uh, where the
Ellen address or Ellen URL pay that works.
It works perfectly fine.
I mean, I get payments on, uh, on
my, on my strike.
Well, all the time, cause I only have
it on this show, but I get it
all the time.
Works great.
I get partial messages.
If it's a booster gram, it fell apart
on agreement over, okay, how do we separate,
separate out the TLV record that was so
beautifully integrated in key send.
And that's where it fell apart.
Uh, a fountain came up with a solution
was not adopted by everybody as far as
I can tell.
So it, but it still works.
So, you know, we'll, we'll see, we'll see
where it goes.
I mean, it still works.
Um, I just, I don't know.
Let's, I mean, let's, let's be honest.
Albie would still be custodial if it was
not for, uh, government regulation scaring everybody to
death.
That's what happened.
Yep.
It was, it was us regulations, freaking everybody
out so that async, uh, wallet pulled out
of the U S I'll be switched from
custodial to non custodial.
I mean, everybody panicked and rolled up, you
know, rolled up the, uh, the sidewalks and
left.
And so that, I mean, that's really what
happened.
There's not like the, we could, if the,
if the regulations were, were such, if there
was clarity there, um, we, we might actually
have, you know, Hey, and that's the same
reason that, uh, uh, uh, Tim K that's
the same reason that he's, that he closed
up a LN pay is because he was
worried about the regulations, you know, he, and
the responsibility of, of being a custodial service.
Right.
It's a big responsibility there.
If there's, you know, if there's regulatory clarity
at some point that having a hosted a
custodial service for something like this, the, the
Albie, the Albie custodial model, the LN pay
custodial model, that's a model that can work.
Well, the bottom line, you can make money
that way is what I mean.
Oh yeah.
Well, no, the bottom line is that it
works really well for the communities that want
to use it.
Fountain works really.
And, and, you know, I use podcast guru,
pod verse works fine.
You have the web based apps.
Um, I think what Sam is doing with
a true fans, he totally understands what his
mission is.
He's on mission to create, you know, a
fan base place when, and you want to
bring, you know, you don't want to say
to your fans works on any podcast app.
You want to say, go to true fans.
And when it has an app, get the
true fans app and you'll be able to
support me, support my, my art, my podcast,
my music, whatever by merch.
I think he's, he's figured that he's made
the onboarding very easy for his system and
his system alone.
And, and that's, and, you know, and, and
so for me, following in my general philosophy
that nothing is going to be, um, adopted
everywhere by all anymore forever in the future,
or maybe very few things as the same
goes with shows.
You know, as long as you can get
your community of a hundred or a thousand
or 10,000 people to support you using
a platform that adheres to what you need,
you're going to be successful.
It was just, we're not going to see
the, Oh wow.
You know, this artist, you know, is on,
you know, is making a hundred thousand dollars
a year from all these different apps that
all are sending payments.
I don't think that's going to happen anymore.
I think what we were wanting at the
beginning, what we, what we were set out
for was a completely, um, deep, like a
decentralized, not decentralized, but a non central point
of, of authority system where anybody could just,
uh, pick up a lot.
It could just spin up a node or
a lightning wallet in some fashion and immediately
start either send both sending and receiving payments
without having to ask permission, without having to
pay anybody.
You just, if you could just hook into
this ecosystem and join, you could join into
the network.
But you know, what we've ended up with
is a system where you're going to have
to do something like fountain has done, which
is build a backend through an approved provider
in that, in their case Zebedee, you know,
or, or strike or somebody you're, you're going
to have to, as a podcast app, you
can't just make a couple of API calls
and be done.
You're going to have to make agreements and,
and hook in with an existing financial entity
in order to support a backend and then
do some pretty extensive work to get a
wallet integrated, which is what Sam has had
to do.
Yep.
You know, Sam, Sam, Sam is similar to
fountain in that he's had to do a
whole lot of payment integration work with different
financial entities to get the, all of his
moving pieces to jive.
And so that's just not, I think what
we intended with this whole thing.
It doesn't mean it's, it doesn't mean it's
a failure.
I'm not saying that.
I'm just saying that like, you know, maybe
there was some naivety about how aggressive regulations
would be.
I don't know, but I just think that
there's not, it's not what, it's not what
we thought we were going to get, but
that doesn't mean, like I said, that doesn't
mean that it's the end of the world.
I mean, we can try to salvage what
we can salvage that out of there.
It's just, I don't know.
I'm kind of disappointed that we didn't get
the original vision cause that, you know, that,
I don't know, it's just so much more
work.
And so every time there's more, a more
layer of work, there's a bigger barrier to
entry.
So instead of having, you know, instead of
having 500 apps, we may just have, you
know, a few, a handful of people that
are willing to put the work in like,
you know, like Sam, but it's not, it's
not just that I'm going to say it.
It started with, um, who are the music
guys?
I'm spacing on it.
Wavelake.
It started with Wavelake, the incredible, um, what's
the term I'm looking for?
Aversion to Wavelake, a centralized service without a
pure, you know, not having everybody have their
own node.
That's where it started to break.
Yeah.
This is the fact, you know, that I'm
not playing anything from those guys.
I mean, that childish behavior, in my opinion,
that, uh, that broke a lot.
And then it became a purist thing.
Well, you've got to have your own node.
You've got to do it this way.
You have to do it this way.
New people would come in and the telegram
groups and people would say, Oh no, you
don't want any part of that.
You got to do it this way.
I saw it happen.
Yeah, no, I did too.
You're right.
So it's okay.
Cause it's what I'm not, I'm not mad.
I'm not even disappointed.
I love that, uh, that we have, uh,
solutions in this that work.
I use it.
I tell people to use these apps and
if they can figure it out, then they're
on board.
They're in the club.
Um, we'll see.
We'll see where it lands, you know?
And I, and I guarantee you that stable
coin is going to come stable coin is
going to be part of the global payment
system.
It's, you can just see it happening.
I mean, this is a big part of
what, uh, I think it'll be called the
Mar-a-Lago accords.
Um, but, but it's already been said by
the president and by the treasury secretary, stable
coin is going to be the way that
the U S dollar maintains its, uh, dominance
as the global reserve currency.
So it'll be pegged to the dollar and
it will be, I think it'll be fractionalized
and you'll be able to use it.
And I can tell you right now that
there will be a huge, we're not going
to use stable coin ever.
Bitcoin's the only one.
I'm telling you right now, I'll tell you
right now, I'll tell you right now.
That will totally happen.
Yeah.
Even though it would fulfill a lot of
the dream and stable coin works over the
lightning network today.
Well, I mean, stable coin is essentially a,
a stable coin is basically a digital U
S treasury bond.
Yeah, exactly.
There's some other stuff mixed in there with
it, but it is, it is primarily, I
mean the, the stable coin guys hold something
like more than most countries put together in
treasury bonds.
Yeah.
It's like 75% of short term U
S treasury bonds are owned by, by I
think short term would be three years or
less by tether.
No, I think it's 90 days.
I think they've been, they have a 90
days treasury bond or a T bill or
something.
Ultra short, ultra short.
Yeah.
That, I mean that is just a, I
mean that's outrageous.
That's, that's unbelievable.
And so it's, it's, you know, the reason
the U S treasury is the, is it's
not the dollar.
Um, this, the world's reserve currency, it's the
treasury bond, correct?
It's the treasuries because those are essentially guaranteed.
Those are guaranteed.
You're going to get paid.
Yep.
You're, there's no, you know, there, there's no
chance that you're not getting your money back.
So those become, those have become the way
that that's the backstop for everything.
And so it's a very short step from
buying directly buying U S treasuries to buying
stable coin.
There's very, there's really not much difference there.
So it's an easy transition to make because
people are already used to it.
Um, so yeah, I think you're right.
I think that's exactly what's going to happen.
The question is what, you know, what's the
distribution, what's the sort of like a connection
there?
Is it, is it some sort of digital
wallet?
I mean like how, because you, because treasuries
are normally bought and sold, you know, traded
by money brokers and big banks.
And so that's something that the normal person
doesn't usually have access to.
So what does that look like?
I don't know.
You know, I don't think I'm going to
be, I don't, I don't know.
I don't, I don't think I'll be sending,
sending you a stable coin over my Bitcoin
wallet, but I don't know.
Maybe I will.
Well, you can send me money anytime you
want.
I'll take, I'll take, I'll take Chinese money.
I mean, if you want, if Dave Jones
wants to send me money, I'll take it.
I have a, I have a standing, I
have a standing, uh, you know, uh, policy
to never refuse to take money when someone
wants to give it to me.
Exactly.
I have a similar policy.
Hey, this is a term that I've been
hearing.
I want to ask you about, have you
heard of this term vibe coding?
Yeah.
What is, what is vibe coding?
I think that's like no code stuff where
you're just, uh, you're like using LLMs and
stuff like that.
And just having things pieced together, which you,
you're a vibe coder.
Yes.
That's, this is what I was thinking.
I have been vibe coding for the past
couple of days.
Yes.
I mean, you're like, you're like a coder
now.
It's this week in liquid soap, everybody.
Yeah.
Yay.
So it's very interesting.
A couple of things came together at the
same time.
So James, uh, who has been the, um,
the champion behind the location tag from its
inception, I believe, even, um, and, uh, and
now the location tag has multiple options.
It can be, uh, the location of what
this podcast is about or where it's originating
from.
Um, in our project in Godcaster, it's really
turned into something amazing, something really beautiful.
And it flows right into something else that
we've discussed, which is this concept of what
is, well, of making a radio stream out
of podcasts.
And, and that's what I've been working on
and not just working on it.
You've been coding.
I've been vibe coding.
I've been vibe.
You vibe coded something that works.
Yeah.
So, um, let me see how I can
best approach this topic because it, it brings
up a whole bunch of questions, but in
essence, uh, we're right now working with the,
with the dude named Paul on a Godcaster
app.
So the Godcaster, if you haven't seen it
to go to hellofred.fm, you can see
it.
Um, it's a, it's a, it's a platform.
It's a management system where you can create
a player with podcasts that, that you want
your audience to listen to and you determine,
you know, what goes where and what, what
order things are in.
And you can add a live stream or
multiple live streams actually.
And here's the cool part.
You can then follow that station in a
podcast app and in a modern podcast app,
you also get the live streams.
So all of a sudden you have a
radio station that used to just have like
a listen, listen, live button on their website.
Now they have all the content that they
have on their broadcast.
Um, uh, their over the air broadcast is
now in a lineup on their website.
So you can listen to it on demand,
but the live stream is also there, but
you can just take the station with you
because we provide them with a feed of
everything they've put in their player.
And now you can listen to, you know,
KHCB Houston in your car on your favorite
app.
If it's a modern podcast app, then you
get the live stream.
And you can also listen to the most
recent episode of everything that they have.
So it's a whole new way.
Uh, it's we're re-imagining radio, I would
say.
And a lot of these stations are really
starting to get it.
So, um, I thought it would be an
interesting experiment because we're not going to have
an app where you open up the app
and based upon geo location, it shows you
the stations that are closest to you, the
Godcaster stations who have a player.
And, um, and so I thought, you know,
not everybody has, so there's also podcast networks
who are using this and churches and they
don't have a live stream.
So, okay.
So at first I thought, you know, I'm
going to give them a, like a hello
Fred live stream and all these folders they
can drop stuff into.
And I'm like, yep, that's going to happen.
And that works.
But the first step is to get them
into, get them comfortable with the idea of
these podcasts that I put in my player
automatically create a live stream that has an
interstitial in between the shows.
So you could, you know, you can put
a little file in there.
Like you're listening to, you know, uh, uh,
Christ church in, um, in New Zealand and
boom, it goes into the next program.
And so as we've been experimenting with this
and, and I think the app will probably
be out sometime around June.
Um, it's really interesting because it gives you,
even though you're just listening to some podcasts
that are aligned and I never, never thought
this would work.
I never thought it would work.
Um, in fact on hellofred.fm, I now
have a live stream called all, all the
shows.
And so you, you tap on that and
you drop right into the middle of a
show and it's like, it's mesmerizing.
It truly is what the, and this is
what the Tom Webster serendipity of push button
radio.
I just, I search around, Oh, here's another
station.
Click.
I go into it.
Then I start hearing a show.
I drop into something.
It can be, you know, a news show
can be a sermon.
It can be, you know, a talk show.
There's, there's so much, and we're focusing only
on one type of community, which is faith
based broadcasting.
It really, it really gives you an experience
and particularly to know that, okay, I'm listening
to this right now, but I really want
to hear the whole show or want to
hear it from the beginning.
And it's one tap away cause I can
see it right there in my interface.
This is the show that's playing right now.
It totally changes the concept of radio and,
and, and there's something about it that is
really exciting.
I did not expect that.
I always thought, you know, who wants to
listen to just a stream of, of podcasts
that are lined up.
But when you don't know what it is,
and even my own, my own shows, I
think I have six or seven shows on
hello Fred.
If I just hit that, that all the
shows live stream and I pop in, it's
probably something I wouldn't have started listening to
from the very beginning in the first place.
Cause like, ah, I don't feel like listening
to Matt long show today.
But when you just hit that, it's like,
Oh, there's something really magical about it.
In fact, when you guys were joking around
like, Hey, it sounds a lot like radio
when you use the location tag to find,
you know, to find a podcast.
Now, if you find a stream of podcasts,
it really is a new kind of radio
and it's, and it feels good.
I don't know if you've had any time
to kind of experiment around with it, but
it feels good.
I haven't, I haven't experimented with it mostly
because I was writing the code for, for
the, for the API for D yeah.
For DNP to, you know, to, uh, to
do the, to do the, the location stuff.
And, um, I've had my head in that,
which, which that, that has been in.
It's what's funny.
I'm glad that you, I'm glad to do
this kind of stuff because I find myself
routinely, uh, out of my comfort zone because
it's things I've not done before.
Uh, and it's kind of stuff like you,
you kind of know how it works, but
it's different when you really do it.
Yeah.
And, um, so one of the things that,
you know, part of this has been from,
from the beginning we've put low, we've put
radios, uh, the, the, the players, the Godcaster
players, you can, you can create a player.
And from the beginning it's had a location
aspect to it, but it's not been specific
enough to be what we needed for this.
Yeah.
It's not long to latitude stuff.
Yes.
And so like it was perfect timing for
James's blog post that he wrote the other
day, uh, sort of re, uh, bringing this
back to, to the front, because I was
about to dive into images tag and finish
that thing up.
And then I'll, he didn't, then your location
ideas came up and then his blog post.
And I'm like, yeah, we just need to
roll this blog.
We need to roll this location thing and
get this thing finished.
Cause I actually published his changes to the
namespace today, not right before the show.
So, um, so the new additions are in
there.
And then I still have to update the
document that backs it sort of the, uh,
um, uh, like a full explainer.
So I'm just going to take his language
and weave that into the existing document to
make, to make the new stuff apparent.
But there's so much going on here.
I mean, there's like, you know, what you're
describing is a really, I would call it
like a synthetic live stream.
It's, it's not, uh, it's not live in
the sense of, um, like, like radio is
live these days.
Radio is all DJs cutting, uh, you know,
voice tracking, uh, at nine in the morning
and then going to lunch, you know, it's,
it sounds live, but none, none of it's
almost, none of it's live anymore, but it,
but it's, it's linear.
It's linear.
And so when you, when you described this,
yeah, linear.
Okay.
Let's say they'll say that it's not linear.
It's, um, it's synthetic linear.
It's like when you described this the other
day, uh, when we were, when we were
talking, um, my, my first thought was this
is perfect for podcast networks.
Um, because yes, they immediate, they're not having
a live stream, having a, having a real
live stream means do means having to run
some extra infrastructure.
Right.
Even if it's, even if it's small, it's
a hurdle.
And so, but if you already have all
this stuff there and you can just sort
of like just hit go, you know, you
give yourself a location and then you just
hit go.
Well, so this is, this is exactly what
I've been coding and it came.
So we have a new customer, her name
is Jenny Lee Samuel, and she has a
network of podcasts called imagine media.
And, and so what she's done is she
started a little kind of school of podcasting
and she's taught all of these different, mainly
young people, which I like a lot about
it.
Um, how to, how to do, how to
create podcasts, you know, how to select a
host, the whole, you know, Dave Jackson type
vibe.
And so she, she really wanted a way
to build that into a network.
And we said, and, and she saw the
God cast or something.
We said, this sounds like something I could
use.
And we said, yeah, absolutely.
So we showed how it worked and she
said, you know, cause if she knows about
the live stream so you can put a
radio station in there, you can do all
kinds of different stuff.
She said, well, couldn't have a live stream
of all of my podcasts.
And I'm like, Holy crap.
Yes, of course you can.
And, and so that's when I started to
experiment now, by the way.
So I've been using Manus dot AI, uh,
to do this programming and so it initially
came up with a great bunch.
It has a config script.
Um, you know, it has a script where
you start stop status log, you know, it's
like with the switch, you know, so I
can tell you if something's wrong and it
worked out of the box, you know, it
creates a mount point for the, for the
RSS feed that you give it.
And it fires it up and it works.
And I'm like, this is fantastic.
Until I looked in the logs, I'm like,
Oh man, it's skipping 70% of these,
of the items in the RSS feed because
it can't figure out what the MP3 file
is because of, Oh man, what a mess.
Millions of redirects question mark and tags after
the MP3 is, is, and from some of
the biggest hosting companies, I'm like, Oh man.
And so I've been spent, I think I've
spent the past 16 hours of vibe coding
time feeding.
This is where vibe coding falls apart, by
the way.
Well, it's, it's, you know, and it's actually
kind of fun because you know, it creates
a script and then they get the errors.
I copy the errors.
I paste it into the, into this Manus
interface.
It goes, Oh no, I see what's wrong.
Okay, hold on a second.
And then it fixes it.
Then something else breaks.
And, and I, and then I'll say, do
you remember now I have liquid soap version
two dot one dot four.
Yes, yes.
I'll double check the documentation.
Then lo and behold, it does a bracket
close wrong.
Oh, I can see this.
I did this wrong for your version of
liquid soap.
So you do get into these loops where
at a certain point, you know, like, okay,
let's start over.
I'm going back to this script that actually
worked and let's start again from here.
So it's kind of like having a kindergartner
who knows how to code, but has no
attention span.
You've got to bring it back to it.
And I know that if, if, if I,
if I'd been working with you, we would
have fixed this thing already.
It would have been working.
It would have been running, but you know,
instead I'm spending lots of credits.
I probably spent $75 in credits on, on
these.
Yeah.
Okay.
I love the kindergartner visual.
It's like, Hey, okay, look, listen, Timmy, you
son of a bitch.
I know you know how to code, but
pay attention to me.
Look, look, stop eating animal crackers and just
pay attention.
You little bastard.
So, um, um, so, uh, no agenda millennial
in the, in the boardroom says Adam's coming
around to using AI.
Well, no, because it's such a bad crutch.
Again, if I, if it was Adam and
Dave, we'd have this thing humming by now.
Cause I've been, I've been working on this
for a while and that's just, that's not
concurrent time that's over several days than just
compute time.
And you know, I had to upgrade to
the $200 a month plan.
And luckily you can buy more credits when
you run out.
And you know, from time to time, I
was like, Oh, I'm sorry.
The virtual machine crashed or this session is
now too long.
You have to start a new one.
I'll inherit everything that I learned.
I'm sorry.
I can't, I can't store any more knowledge
that we've learned from this project unless you
delete some other ones.
The actual cost of this stuff is off
the hook.
Believe me, believe me, this is the introductory
price.
So for what AI is doing and versus
what it costs and the amount of time
that goes into it, I still think it's
crap, but at least I can move forward
and eventually I'm going to say, Dave, they
got these scripts.
It kind of works.
Take a look at it.
Ignore the Chinese characters in the code.
Don't worry about it.
It's all fine.
Maybe we can figure out how to make
this actually work.
It seems like I can't bring the project
to completion.
Well, I'm close.
This is, um, but it is, it is
Claude.
I just, so, so no agenda millennial understands.
Manus itself is an element LLM, but it
fires up an appropriate model for the tasks
that you're doing.
So it is using Claude and it's using
others, but it's using Claude mainly for coding.
So it's not like I'm using the wrong
model.
That's the whole point of, of Manus is
it sits on top of everything else.
I'm sorry, Dave, go ahead.
No, no, no.
I mean, this is the same thing we
see with all the with, with all these
models is the degenerative models is that they,
they all really allow you to get most,
you know, most of the way to an
idea that you can then hand off to
somebody to finish it.
You know, like when it comes to art,
I mean, you, he's like, I want this
logo.
I can get, I can get something that's
kind of like the thing I want.
Then I can give it to an actual
artist and have them actually make, make a
thing.
And, and that's the same with code.
I mean, you can, you know, you can't,
you can say, Hey, Bill, build me.
You can say, Hey, Claude, build me a,
a Laravel app that does these things and
it's going to build you something, but then
like, but it's not ever going to be
the exact thing that you want.
It's just going to be kind of the
thing you want.
And so then you have to hand it
off to somebody else to actually turn it
into the thing you want.
Yeah.
So I mean, I think that's just the
pattern.
And by the way, while vibe coding, I
can see the hallucinations happening.
Yeah.
That's, that's the real gotcha.
It took me a while.
Like you're just making this up.
Oh yes, you're right.
I'm sorry.
Here, let me fix these scripts.
This time it'll really work.
Did you see that thing?
Did you see that thing that was posted?
I think it was, I think James may
have boosted it or something on, on Mastodon
about, Hey, you can just make, just make
up, um, make up cliches and stuff like,
uh, you know, you know, like two, two
in the hand is worth one in the
bush or whatever.
You can say, Hey, LLM, uh, what does,
um, you know, eating, eating bread sideways saves
you a day of work.
What does that phrase mean?
And it'll just make up some bull crap.
It's like, it's like, Oh, that means this
and this and this.
Like, it's just, it's all, it's all, it's
all goofball stuff under the hood.
And like, and it would not, it would
only take a little bit of tweaking.
I was sitting here listening to you describe
like your process and, um, it would only
take a little bit of tweaking to introduce
another, to introduce a little wrinkle where you
intentionally make the model misunderstand just to get
one or two more prompts out of you
to use your credits more fat.
That's very possible.
And I, by the way, everybody has, you're
using the wrong one.
Use cursor, use this, use that.
It does great.
You have to understand that liquid soap by
itself is the messiest project that I've ever
seen.
And you go look at the, at the
GitHub and there's, or there's all these different
places and there's documentation and there's 18 versions
that people are using.
And you can just see the confusion in
the model itself that it just doesn't know
where to go, you know?
And it just is like, Oh, okay.
I bumped up a wall there.
I'm going to back out and do this.
But anyway, very long, uh, fun conversation to
come back to.
There's real, this live, the lit tag, there's
one of the most exciting things in podcasting
today.
And, uh, just like we don't really know,
we can't really define what a podcast is
anymore because of the podcast industrial complex.
I think the same holds true for radio.
This is not radio.
In fact, I'd think if, um, if you
said to someone it's a live stream, they
get it.
You say it's radio.
And what do you mean radio?
All kinds of, you get, you know, a
radio disc jockey radio stations come to mind.
But when you say live stream, it's much
more clear.
Oh, it's a live stream.
What's it, what's it up?
Oh, it's of these podcasts.
Oh, cool.
It's a live stream of podcasts.
Got it.
They get it right away.
So I personally can't wait.
Once I get this thing rolling, I want,
I hope, hopefully I can deploy this or
have the guys over at no agenda stream
use this to, you know, to manage the
no agenda stream because you can still, you
know, do your live cut ins and all
that stuff.
But then there's, you know, there, I think
they're hacking liquid soap scripts manually for the
lineup and it's, you know, cotton gin will
say, I think this is the next show
that's coming after no agenda.
I'm not sure.
Which tells me that, you know, the manager,
the management of it is so great.
And you just throw this stuff in, there's
a new episode, boom, it pops out, it
plays, it works.
It's really, it's a great experience and I
can't wait because inadvertently or maybe because of
who we are, the Godcaster app will be
under the hood.
It's a podcast app.
In fact, I think we've used some of
the open source libraries from pod verse now.
In fact, I'm sure we have under the
hood.
You're saying the Godcaster app on, on iOS
and Android, the mobile app.
Yeah.
Which, which, you know, the hardest part of
that was getting it to work on car
play and work on Android auto.
DNPs spent most of his time on that.
Right.
But it doesn't feel like a podcast app.
There's something completely different, but everything in it
is a podcast or a stream of podcasts
or in some cases an actual live radio
stream, but it's a podcast app underneath, but
it doesn't feel like that.
It feels like, Hey, you know, it feels
like radio.
It does.
It's like, Oh, there's this app and I
can bop around and you can do all
the same things you do with the, and
you're like, I'm going to save this episode
to a playlist.
But then when you, the push button part
comes, when you hit the live tab, it's
like, Oh, here's all these live stations that
are near me or I can search further
away.
If I want to, you hit one, you
drop right into something.
You have no idea what it is.
Although the metadata shows up, Oh, this is
this show.
This is what's playing.
And then right there, it's like, Oh, there's
the show.
So I can listen to that later if
I want to or I can just keep
listening now.
Another one will come up.
There's something good about this.
Really.
The main things we have to figure out
is on the fly.
We need to change metadata.
We need to change the, the, the funding
tag.
Cause this is a big part of, of
the, of the community we're working in and
we had funding.
Yeah.
We had such a big win the other
day.
Maybe we should explain that how important the
funding tag is.
Thank you.
Pocket cash.
Thank you.
Pocket cash for, for surfacing that.
What I'm so, so happy they did that.
The funding tag is, I mean, it is
almost as not quite, but it's almost as
good as a boost.
It's so it could be may it, it
could be made to be basically a boost
with a little bit of, with a little
bit of tweaking on a UI, you could
take that funding tag and turn it into
a boost button.
Correct.
Chad F believe me, we're going to send
value back once we make any money off
of this, but thanks for asking you to
value back to podverse.
Oh, to podverse.
I'm a, I'm already a monthly subscriber to
podverse.
I'm a premium member already.
That's just Chad F.
That's Chad F.
That's how we, that's how he thinks.
Now, man, we're ripping off podverse for our
own gain.
That's what we're doing here.
That's what we're doing.
That's what we're doing here.
So we have these radio stations and they,
they have deals with the program people.
It's very, it's a very antiquated system and
it's all value for value based.
And so they'll run a program on the
air and then someone will hear, Oh, donate
to living on the edge and go to
living on the edge.com and the good
living on the edge.com.
And then they're just going to, and there's
a, there's a dropdown.
Where did you hear about us?
Well, of course, 95% of the people
don't click that or don't tell you where
they heard it or don't remember.
And so the state, the program is supposed
to send money back to the station.
Sometimes the state, the program buys airtime from
the station and they'd like to know if
it's, if it's, you know, if they're getting
any donations from that money they're spending.
So this has been a big problem because
it's called attribution in their world, which is,
you know, similar to attribution in other places.
But so where did, where did this person
come from?
And so now a very big program is
starting to discover because we have, we surface
the funding tag, but we send off a
referring URL.
They're finding out that they're getting donations from
radio stations who have their program in the
Godcaster player, but don't even have them on
the air.
And they're like, this is amazing.
You know, so now there's all these, that's
the, all because of the funding tag.
Yup.
The funding tag is doing magic.
It's one of the oldest tags we have.
And, and I, and I'd love that.
I'd love for podcast guru to surface that
more clearly.
Cause you know, to get to the funding
tag, you have to go back to the
program feed that is in the menu.
You know, it's not like a big button
that you push.
Something that I get cast doing that was
a big deal.
They're a big app, huge.
They have a, they have a large audience.
Any, you know, I understand, you know, Marco,
Marco has always said he wasn't, he wouldn't
do it because of getting banned off the
app store.
That argument doesn't make any sense to me.
No, it doesn't make any sense to me
because if you, you put it in the
description, it shows up too.
I mean, it doesn't make any difference.
It's there.
Well, I mean, if you're, you're an app
developer, you put, you put the, you put
it in there.
If they reject it, you just take it
out.
Yeah.
It's not the end of the world.
I mean, you try, this is, this happens
with all kinds of features as an app
developer, as a mobile app developer.
Every time you put a feature in you,
you never, you never know what the whims
of app review are going to be.
It countless times apps, app builds have are
rejected every single day for completely arbitrary reasons.
Sometimes the exact same app with the same
functionality.
Yes.
And so you, you do, you just, you
play the game, you go and you put,
you know, you put the feature in, you
think it's going to work.
You don't think it's going to work.
You put it in, it gets rejected.
We just, you roll the feature back out.
Yeah.
I don't understand.
It's not like you're going to get, it's
not like your developer account is going to
get banned.
You just get your, that build may get
rejected.
I just don't get, I just don't get
it.
I really don't.
And it's such a huge, it's such a
huge win.
Yeah.
You know, I mean, it really is.
And make it big, make it big and
use the, use the, the text option because
we have that in the Godcaster.
It's really cool.
So you show up on a curry and
the keeper, the button changes to, uh, you
know, support the show.
You move it to, um, to another one.
It says, uh, we'd love to receive your
support all based on the text tag.
I've never seen that.
I've never seen the text tag change in
a button for the, for, uh, for the
value tag, except on our own stuff.
And it's great.
You know, it's another, it's another piece of
content that you can, you can change.
I mean, I, I'd love for people to
have to change their own button, make it
a heart, make it a star, make it
a, make it a pile of cash, whatever
you want to make it.
Now this, there is a lot to be
done.
I think the whole world is opening up
when you start to view what is a
podcast app.
When you change your perception of what it
is and build something that delivers an experience
and don't call it a podcast, don't call
it a podcast app.
It just changes.
I'm excited for everybody to see it.
Yeah.
I think you, um, I think what you,
what you end up doing is you just
kind of, you create radio.
I guess we always thought that radio was
a thing, or maybe this is just me.
I don't know.
Um, we associate a radio station with a
certain, with a certain consumption habit, but that
is just sort of like a side of
it's, it's just the way it happens.
It wasn't necessarily by design.
It was just the only way that thing
could work because you had linear terrestrial broadcast
was the only thing that you had available
to you at the beginning, you know, in
the beginning of that thing.
And so you're like, okay, well this is
what rate you had linear broadcast over an
air over the airwaves.
You're like, yeah, well radio, radio, but radio
doesn't actually have to be that.
That it was only, it was only that
because you didn't have any other way to
just to do it.
But if you, but now you can have
essentially a digital version of the same thing.
Um, I guess what I'm trying to say
is, I know this, this is sounds confusing,
but I guess what I'm trying to say
is we, we come to associate the, when
you think of radio, you think of what
you described dropping in to a, to a,
to who knows where in the programming lineup.
And then it just from there, it just
picks up and carries off in a linear
fashion.
And that's what we think of as radio.
Um, well, so here, let me drop in
right now on hellofred.fm to all the
shows live Glover.
All right.
They worked together on this.
And so less than two years later, now
that feels like I just dropped into a
radio stream to place, but it's really, um,
Matt Long's, uh, the Matt Long show, which
is a two next to the last in
my lineup and it's just playing.
And after that comes the wall builder show.
And in between, you're going to hear the
weather in seven, eight, six, two, four.
Well, you had the, you had this.
So the reason you, that feels like radio
using your words, the reason that instantly feels
like radio is because it's the linear just
is the linear playback model.
And radio is the, that was all radio
could do.
Yeah.
But then we entered this era where you,
where you had, um, on demand and you
could pick your own and you could time
shift and pick what you wanted to listen
to when, when you wanted to listen to
it.
Right.
So now you had this other possible way
to consume media.
What the trick and this, this, let's get
back to the trick is location.
Radio is bound to location.
Yes.
That's, that's where the location tag and the
lit tag come together.
They are, they, they, they go together because
when, when I see a location, Oh, this
is Fredericksburg, Texas.
And I pop, then I pop into the,
to the stream.
I'm now listening to Fredericksburg, Texas, not to
the Matt Long Show.
I'm listening to Fredericksburg, Texas.
I don't know what the heck is going
on.
Let me, let me talk.
So let me talk about how James's location
tag changes make this better.
Um, so he had, he added a couple
of, really this was a very pretty, pretty
simple change.
Uh, the first attribute, he added two attributes
and then adjusted some constraints.
The first attribute he added was a rail.
So let's, so like Ariel short for relationship.
Um, and your, your rail attribute can contain,
uh, the value can be either creator or
subject.
And so before, um, what we had was
only what the, what the podcast was about.
So your location tag was meant to define
the, the location of the topic, not the
location of the podcast creator.
Now you can sub, you can specify that.
You can have the location tag tell you
which one it is.
Are you tell, are you saying you, so
rail equals subject means that the subject matter
of the podcast is what this location tag
is defining.
So this thing is about something like the
Eiffel tower.
And here's my, here's where I'm going to
tell you the geo location coordinates of the
Eiffel tower.
Um, or you can have rail equal creator,
which means no, I'm not, I'm not telling
you anything about my content.
I'm telling you where I am, where I
am.
Yes.
And so that would be what something like
a radio station would use.
They're going to, they're going to have rail
equals creator, uh, in their feed.
And that's going to tell you what, where
they are.
Now they could also specify their subjects.
So then that's another change that, that he
made, which is a constraint change, but it
was before you could only have one location
tag in a channel or an item.
Now you can have multiple.
So what you can, so now what you
can say is, uh, this, you can have
two location tags, for instance, in the channel,
one of them specifies rel equals creator.
And so you're saying, okay, I'm a radio
station in Houston, Texas.
And you have another location tag right below
it, which is rel equals subject.
Um, and you say, okay, this, this podcast
is about Houston, Texas.
I'm going to, I'm going to paste the
listen URL in the boardroom for your stream.
No, the listen.godcaster.fm. Oh, okay.
All right.
So people can get an idea and just
type in Pennsylvania or Texas or, um, Alberta.
I think we have Alberta in there.
We don't have, you can type in the
country too.
You can say Canada, Alberta, and you can
see it.
And these are podcasts from Alberta.
It's really cool that are, that are not,
not even necessarily all the podcasts are from
Alberta, but that's what Alberta is listening to.
And Daniel beat me to it.
He said, uh, you can add multiple subject
locations.
So if you're, if your podcast is about,
if this, if this particular episode is about,
um, let's say it's about Houston, what his
example, Houston, Dallas, and London, you just put
three tags in there.
One's Houston, one's Dallas, one's London.
Or what if it's about, um, you know,
a, uh, what if it's about as a
war, war two podcast, and it's about a
sword B it was with a Utah beach,
sword beach and Omaha beach D-Day in
Omaha beach.
Yeah.
D-Day.
It's a podcast about D-Day and episode
about D-Day.
It can have those three beach locations in
there all with real equal subject.
And you could put the open street map
coordinate bounding box in there that shows you
exactly what the bound bounds of that location
are not just the latitude longitude.
And so then the L the other attribute
he added was country.
So you can just specify a country two
letter country.
Right.
Um, so the, uh, you can also now,
I don't think he had this in his
documentation, but I just did it because this
needed to happen.
You can also add it to a live
item.
So it's not just an item or us
or the channel.
It's also a live item.
So all this stuff is, you know, is
makes this tag supercharged, you know, and where
it can actually do the thing that we
wanted it to do.
Because as soon as we said, okay, this
is about the subject matter.
People got, it was always a little bit
of friction because you would have people saying,
yeah, but I want to, I want, you
have people from France saying, but I want
to listen to French podcasts.
I don't necessarily want to listen to podcasts
about France.
Right.
I want to listen to podcasts from France.
Yep.
And so this will let, and we didn't
have a way to do that.
So this will let you do that now.
So I think that, I think this is
a crit, this is just a critically important
change for this whole thing.
And it allows you to, allows us to
get further toward the thing that, that we're,
we're wanting, which is, you know, what we
had was it maps.fm. We had that
geolocated podcast thing.
Yep.
And let me, let me talk, this, this
actually kind of a good side note here
for, for, for all of the podcast namespace
tags and features and all these things that
we, that we think about developing, we think,
we think we know what it's for.
We think we know what it's for is
one thing.
And the other thing is we know we,
it's sometimes we see it as some sort
of just novelty.
Like, um, I think maps.fm, it was
a cool project, but that's kind of all
it was, was just cool.
Right.
And, and that's not enough.
You know, it's not enough to just have
something be a novelty or be you, you
never, if, if all you do is go,
Oh, that's cool.
And then you never really engage with it
again, then, then you've, you're not really hitting
it.
You're not hitting the, you're not getting the
point.
Right.
So, and that's not a criticism of the
developer.
That's just, I'm just saying that that like
as, as a spec or some sort of
thing that your feature you're trying to develop,
you have to get beyond the sense of
novelty to the, to the point where it
becomes like an essential feature that you actually
need.
And I think in order for something to
go beyond novelty, to become essential, it has
to have a, it has to, the use
case has to be demonstrated in a way
where you see, okay, this thing you're trying
to do could not be done in any
other fashion.
And I want this thing.
And this is the only way to do
it.
And I think this is a perfect example
of that.
We took a tag like the location tag
that was just mostly a novelty.
And now I think these changes make it
essential because if you're going to have digital,
like true digital radio, where, where, where a
radio station, let's say a radio station wanted
to drop their transmitter and just go digital
only, how are they going to distribute?
How are they going to tell everybody where
their radio station is?
Right.
When you're linear broadcast, when you're terrestrial broadcast,
you don't have to tell them because everybody
knows cause they just spin the dial until
they hear you.
And you know, the crazy thing is, is
that no agenda stream has been running for
some amazing amount, like 15 years.
And the next piece, the next piece that
is critical is the chat room.
That's now you've got community.
Yeah.
That, so there's three tags that go together.
Chat, location, funding and chat.
Location, lit, lit, location, chat, funding.
Four.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's kind of like the, the, that's the,
the, the, you know, the magic, the magic
quad.
The mag four, the mag four.
Mag for lit location, funding and chat.
Yeah.
And even just that man, if we really
started to surface the funding tag a lot
more prevalently, because I was telling Dvorak about
it on the show, maybe two weeks ago,
he said, what?
So yeah, it's like a frictionless donation button.
He says, that's great.
How come I haven't heard of this?
Well, first of all, you're you, but your
email make sure you haven't blocked me on
your email.
It's a great, it's a really good feature.
Cause you can put your Patreon in there
and you can put your, you can put
anything in there.
You can put a link to your QR
code for your, for your strike wallet.
Yeah.
That's what I'm saying.
Like it wouldn't take much to turn that
funding tag into a boost button at all.
And the boost button would go, the boost
button would become just what, it would become
whatever is backing it.
There you go.
No value tag, but funding tag boost.
Yeah.
If you, if the, if the app detects
that the funding tag specifies a lightning QR
code, it can launch your wallet.
Yeah.
If, if it, if it detects that it's
a PayPal link, it can launch the PayPal
app.
If it detects that it's, yeah.
Launch the PayPal app even better.
Yeah.
If it detects that it's an Apple pay
link, it can just pull up the Apple
pay dialogue.
Like it just, there's, there's so many things
that you could, you could really just like,
what do you call it?
Kind of obfuscate or, or whatever, you know,
you could obfuscate what's behind it and just
give the person what they need.
It doesn't have to just be a link
or whatever.
Now, you know, now that may be getting
into app store violations.
Maybe.
That may be a step too far.
Maybe.
I don't know.
Well, we find out, right?
And we find out.
Yeah.
You, you try it and you find out,
you get your hand slapped and you, you
know.
I'll tell you the funding for the value
for value model through the funding tag, through
donations is a multi multi-million dollar business
in faith based programming.
I mean, there, there are programmers who are
making five, $6 million a year using just
on donations.
Now they have a very sophisticated database.
So if you've given to them, you're going
to get an email.
Hey, Jesus loves you.
Do you still love us?
Yeah.
I mean like there was, so the one
that, so we have this, this referral code
and what are they, what are they called?
What's, what's the name of it?
What's the, the big, the big guys, John,
where am I spacing on it?
Focus on the family.
Oh, focus.
Yeah.
Okay.
So when you hit the donation button from
a Godcaster, it goes to their donation page.
And, and this is how cool it is
when, when you don't complete it, so you
fill out your information.
I don't even know how they did this,
but I must've donated to him before.
But, um, you know, I didn't, I didn't
send an amount.
It was just testing and like 40 minutes
later I get an email and says, Hey,
we know she didn't complete your donation.
And it had the URL with the referral
code in the email saying, you know, whenever
you're ready to finish up this donation, just
click this link.
And it was our link here with the
code and everything.
It was amazing.
It's like, that's closing the loop, baby.
That was really cool.
I guarantee you that PayPal, those guys don't
have any of that stuff.
Non-religious podcasters could learn a lot from
watching those guys.
You mean secular, secular, secular, secular, heathens, the
heathen pastors, the pagans, the pagan podcasters.
Yeah, no, it's, it's alive and well.
And by the way, I've, I've demoed value
for value to some of those guys.
They're blown away, but they're like, okay, how
do we teach our people how to do
that?
So well, that's where it all falls apart.
And that, and that is the rub.
That's a great question.
We just tell them to spin up an
Albi node.
What's your problem?
Yeah.
Jesus loves Albi.
Jesus was a node.
Martha, what are you waiting on?
Jesus was a maximalist.
He read the book.
Yeah.
Anyway, so that was, that's my exciting news.
You know, I'm going to continue vibe coding
and maybe by next board meeting, I'll have
completed some scripts or I may, you know,
at a certain point, I think I'm on
version 39 of this thing.
Oh, geez.
Yeah.
And it comes up with cool names though.
So when it, when it fixes the script,
here, let me, I'll read this to you.
So it comes up with enhanced podcast, stream
dot lick fixed config dot S H fixed
mount point scripts, version two dot S H.
This is like when somebody sends you a
word document that they've, that they've gone through
seven iterations on and it'll, it'll say instructions
underscore final dash complete dash.
The last one dash really, really dash.
I promise.
Oh, I got robust liquid soap script dot
L I Q.
And then he's sure final.
I love this final underscore fix dot S
H.
No, no, no.
You're not too ambitious.
Stop it.
Stop.
Stop it.
You're Manus's biggest user.
You may be their only user.
It could be.
I got the 3,900 free credits for
being a happy camper.
They're milking you for everything.
I got for sure.
I got emails.
Keep him on the, keep him on the
horn.
We need him.
I'm expecting a call from the CEO.
Who's some innocuous Chinese dude.
Thank you.
Thank you for your support.
Yes.
Soon price go up because of term tariff.
Okay.
Yeah.
More credit.
35, 35% more.
Yeah.
More credit.
Oh man.
That's a lot of fun.
It's a lot of fun.
And I'm, and I'm, I'm simultaneously enjoying and
appreciating the pain that developers go through.
But I really am.
I really am.
Yeah.
It's amazing.
Shadow Dom.
Yeah.
You've been shadow doming.
That's a, that's a whole nother.
So, so we have, you know, our embedded
player doesn't work on one website.
It doesn't, you know, the controls go all
wonky and this has been a CSS nightmare
for eight months.
And so, so we've all, everything's fixed.
Everything's great.
New customer comes in, everything breaks.
And then, and then Dave rage quits and
comes back a week later.
I've rearchitected the whole thing.
I'm doing shadow Dom now.
Like we need two more weeks of testing.
Like what did you do?
Yeah, it's, it was good enough.
The CSS bleed through is just such a,
Oh, Oh, it's such a pain.
One, one little thing that you forgot to
guardrail.
And it's just like, it makes the whole
thing look like garbage.
It's just like, Oh, just so frustrating.
Yeah.
But yeah, it's the right way.
The shadow Dom thing is the right way
to do it.
It just makes everything more complicated.
Because it completely goes around CSS.
Is that the idea?
Or it sits on top of it all
or?
Well, the thing about our player is it
has multiple parts to it.
So you, when the player loads, well, you're
loading, you know, first of all, we're loading,
we're loading our UI into somebody else's website,
which that's problem number one.
And by the way, some of these websites
still have blink tags.
Okay.
Oh, it's, it's just, Oh, it's just a
nightmare.
And someone's high school kid, you know, I'll
fix your website for your radio station, dad.
Throw some CSS in there.
Oh, it looks beautiful.
First thing we're, you know, I'm, I'm using
tailwind on for, for the style, for the
styling.
And so the one thing you run into
is if you have anything in your, any
style, any class names, if you have any
class names in your HTML that are at
all like common words, something like a full
or wide or, you know, anything like this,
I feel like you're going to immediately have
a clash with some other style on the
page.
Oh no.
So you, so, you know, you have to
use these bizarre names and M and sort
of like put things under selectors that are
hyper-specific and that mostly works.
But, um, but it's, it's not complete.
It doesn't always work because you're always going
to have, you're always going to end up
with these weird things that, that, um, developed
that plugins, especially WordPress plugins, they want to
take over the whole joint and act like
they're the only thing in the whole server.
And, uh, so what, yeah, I'm laughing.
It's so true.
I own this place.
I'm a plugin.
It's like calm down plugin.
Um, so when, what the, what the Godcaster
player does is it loads, it's a, it
loads itself in the main UI first, but
then it needs, it has two other sections.
It has two other parts to it.
It's got a footer audio bar that goes
at the bottom that's anchored to the bottom
of the viewport.
And then it's, and that thing needs to
have a Z index that's higher than every
other content on the page.
And then it's also got a couple of
pop-up modals.
One is for fault to follow the player's
feed in a, in a podcast app.
And the other one is to share the,
an episode to social media or whatever.
So those need to be full screen models
with a Z index at the, at the
very front above everything else as well.
So when the main UI loads now, what
it does is it's is it sticks itself
into a shadow DOM.
Now, when I'm saying shadow DOM, I don't
mean web components because I'm not using web
components.
We don't really need a whip.
We, this is not, that's not necessary for
what we're doing because we're not having, this
is just a single player on a single
page.
We don't, we're not repeating HTML over and
over.
Right?
So we're not using web components.
We're just using the shadow DOM portion.
And so you create a, you create a
shadow DOM node where the UI would have
been.
Then you stick the HTML into that shadow
DOM node, and that hides it from the
rest of the, of the browser DOM.
It is essentially invisible to everything in the
normal document object model.
That's good because then you can stick a
style tag into that shadow DOM node as
a child and it affects only your HTML
and nothing else on the page.
So now you've isolated your HTML from any
styles up in the normal DOM.
And you've also isolated your styles from screwing
up anything on the hosting page.
The problem though, is that because we have,
as soon as you do that, as soon
as you stick your HTML into a shadow
DOM node, it's now no longer accessible.
If you just reference it using document dot
something, which is very common JavaScript syntax, because
what you're saying, it's now no longer visible
to the document.
So if you say document, it's going to
say, I don't know, this thing's not here.
So if you do something like document dot
get element by ID and reference part of
your HTML, it's just not going to find
it.
So what you have to do is you
have to hook those things.
You essentially have to create another function that's
called something like find element by ID.
And now you call that to get your
element ID, which in turn calls get element
document dot get element by ID.
If it doesn't find that it calls into
your shadow DOM for that ID.
If it doesn't find that it calls into
the other shadow DOM for the audio footer.
If it doesn't find that it calls into
the modal shadow DOM.
So you're, you're like, you have a function
that looks for this thing everywhere.
And if it finally finds it, then it
gives that back to you.
Yeah.
Again, these aren't, this is not, none of
this is like the end of the world,
but it's, yeah, it is just, it's just
complicated enough to where there's lots of stuff
that could go wrong.
So, you know, as of today, it is
mostly working.
I haven't, I'm not seeing any more bugs,
but I know there's some there.
I just have to find, I just have
to keep pounding this thing for a while
and find them because there's a lot that
could go wrong.
Also top level event listeners.
Uh, so if you have an event listener
in the page, uh, I figured that out
yesterday that has, see, I had an, I
had an event listener for a click handler
and it was just doing nothing to close
to dismiss a modal.
Also the, you know, so, uh, document observers,
none of those things work.
You have to customize every one of them
to find your now hidden elements there in
the shadow dom isolated containers.
So we, we're, we're getting there.
It's just, this is a complex app.
And if it was written from the beginning
to do this, there would, this wouldn't be
a problem.
But having to do this transition, that's been,
that's been annoying, but we'll get there.
Let's thank some people as we're getting towards
our time here.
And I'll give you the live booster grams
as they have been coming in.
Thank you all very much for supporting us.
We are value for value.
This supports the entire index project.
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Dave is quicker than AI.
What's his monthly subscription fee.
That's a good question.
Oh, I'm cheap.
I will pay.
I'll pay whatever at this point, a Lyceum.
Well, that's a Martin Linda's code.
Yeah.
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an episode one 71 of buzz buzzcast during
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They didn't coin anything.
They stole it.
What is it?
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We know what it is.
It's anything you do.
That's right.
Yeah.
Cole McCormick on a fountain, 1111, the Bitcoin
and Nostra purists are not helping V for
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In my opinion with institutions and Trump going
forward with quote, Bitcoin is gold.
There needs to be innovation with making Bitcoin
the currency easy to access and use for
my grandmother or Jean's mom.
May she rest in peace.
But no one wants to budge in their
tech dogma.
Jack spoke about this in January on the
Citadel dispatch podcast.
Hmm.
I have to go see what Jack said.
Another Lyceum 1701.
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tech visionary.
I know John Rob personally actually.
Yeah, I do.
Is he a visionary?
I don't think so.
Um, no, and I don't know if he's
much, he was, I don't know if he's
a special ops guy.
He definitely was a, he was definitely in
the DIA.
I don't know about special ops.
And Martin Lindeskog is just vomiting all over
the place.
Uh, actually he sent that three times.
Thank you.
Three times, 1701.
It's the same boost, uh, three, three, three,
three from ACE Ackerman.
Oh, wait, that's from no agenda.
Sorry.
Uh, Sam, here we go.
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Gents Friday night, restored red wine in hand
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Thank you, Sam.
And, uh, there's salty crayon with one, two,
three, uh, coming from Curio casters, salty sage
signal confirmed, which means you came into the
Dave has entered the chat and we started
the show.
Thank you all very much for these live
boosts.
And we have quite a few people to
thank for the last couple of weeks of,
uh, PayPal's and boosts.
Uh, Dave, hopefully your scripts, uh, spewed them
out for us.
It did spew a lot of them out.
So we've got quite a few here and
I'm going, I'm going through these in order.
I did, I did not break out the
monthly.
So I'm just reading them all together.
The, um, uh, Eric, PP said grandma still
uses checks.
Yeah, totally.
Yeah.
By the way, the no agenda show takes
checks and we love checks and we get
a huge pile of checks.
Every single show.
Almost.
Well, it costs 15 cents for the bank
to process it.
And I remember when we got this bank,
uh, it's, um, they've changed names now mechanics
bank in California, which is, it's like a
gangster bank, I guess.
I don't know.
It's sweet.
Yeah.
Um, and so before I would show up
this pile of checks, you know, like $5,
$3 and 33 cents.
Like they didn't know what to do with
it.
So we have, he has, he has a
special person who knows he's coming in every
two weeks and then dump this pile of,
uh, checks under $10 and they just process
them.
They do it, but they charge us 15
cents, but still that's less than a PayPal.
Less than any other.
I thought he was a drug dealer.
No, they know he's a drug dealer.
Just don't know what kind of drugs he's
selling.
Um, booberry 17, seven 76 through the boost
CLI.
Oh, I liked the boost CLI bits plus
plus and baubles plus plus.
Nice.
Um, Darren O 55 55 through podverse.
He says, uh, if podcasting was all about
money, unrelenting wouldn't exist.
Go podcasting.
Go podcasting is true.
Salty crayon.
This goes way back to April 4th by
the way.
We've been gone for a while.
Yeah.
Uh, 1217 through podcast gurus, V for V
still works for podcasting 2.0. Everyone else
says that it's dead quit and went over
to YouTube to be a show.
Good luck.
Jabroni's exactly.
Good luck with that.
Bruce, the ugly quacking duck 22 22 through
podcast guru says, really great discussion.
Thanks for the episode.
73s, 73s, Kilo five alpha Charlie, Charlie's see
loss on Linux 22 22 through fountain.
He says podcasting 2.0. What a failure.
Number one directory.
There's so many higher numbers than one and
three.
Yeah.
Notice there were no articles about that.
Yeah, there was no followups.
No, nothing, nothing.
Number one directory, but yeah, whatever.
See loss on Linux again, 22 22 through
fountain.
He says the death of PHP has been
proclaimed forever.
Yes.
And yet PHP kept getting updated and is
actually getting really nice, especially with Laravel PHP
and larval 11.
Very nice.
I think they have larval 12 now.
No idea what changed.
I don't think a whole lot changed starter
kits.
That's what changed.
But yeah, PHP eight and larval 11.
Oh, it's just an absolute joy.
Oh, I'm glad you like it.
I'll ask Manus to do my script in
that.
Can you please do this in Laravel and
PHP?
Yeah.
It's so nice to work in that framework.
1701 from Archie, SourceD.
He says stats for backend talk.
Please start with the hot aisle.
Hot aisle.
That's a data center reference for nobody.
Hot aisles and cool aisles.
Yeah.
Archie, I will talk about the backend stuff
next week.
We had such a long, we had two
weeks off, so we had stuff to talk
about.
Archie wants me to talk about the way
the backend is constructed for podcast.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
I saw that come in.
Yeah.
I'll talk about that next week.
I promise.
Cameron 3333 through podcast index website.
Wow.
IPFS Cameron providing notifications for broken umbral nodes
since 2021.
Hey, I got mine.
I got mine.
But start nine is working great.
God bless the start nine people, man.
They are so cautious.
They are so careful.
Uh, my umbral never came back to life
properly.
I gave up on it.
Did you lose anything?
No, but you know, the, the stats just
go back to the wallet.
So I have the, I have the word
so I can just spin that up whenever
I just got to go get my, go
get it from the word vault and then
I can get the stats and they, they
all come back.
But now I gave up on it.
It was just too iffy.
It was just, it would just blow up
every couple of months and just stop.
And then, you know, I don't want to
get into it.
It was horrible.
Don't get into it.
No, I won't.
Not going to twist my arm, but I'm
not getting into it.
Thank you Cameron for being the uptime service.
We all need.
Yes.
If anything, he's an uptime service.
You know, the IPFS, which a void zero
runs that over at the no agenda infrastructure.
Uh, it, it got so busy with boosts.
I think during Darren show that it just,
it just flooded the memory of the machines.
And then the whole stream quit and everything
was like, Holy cow.
Yeah.
IPFS.
Wow.
That's weird.
IPFS man is beautiful.
And then he got a notification.
Your note is down.
Yeah.
No kidding.
Yeah.
Oh really?
Thanks.
Uh, Kyron from mere mortals, uh, satchel Richards
one, one, one, one, the fountain.
He says, finally have caught up to the
latest episode.
Open source is tricky.
It seems like you need just as much
people skills and equanimity as actual coding talent.
Lucky we have both.
That's right.
I would agree with that.
Yeah.
It's open source is only half coding.
The rest is politics.
Right.
Um, and relationships.
Good point.
Seth 3547 through true fans.
He says, I love what you, I love
that you had Matt on the show.
He's seriously smart.
The international troublemaker.
That's right.
Uh, we got through fountain, we got 3000
sats from user three, three, seven, seven, eight,
two, one, seven, four, one, four, five, two,
eight.
Thank you.
Change your username.
Yeah.
And he says, thank you.
He or she says, thank you for all
your work and dedication.
You guys help so many and you keep
freedom alive.
That's right.
Well, we try and try, uh, Carl 6
,007.
There's a guy that changed his username through
fountain 5,000 sats.
He says, I can't for, I think he
means I can't wait.
I can't wait for Dave's audio narration edition
of his live events and podcasting apps, blog
posts.
Actually I have, I recorded that maybe three
days ago.
I just got to edit and stick it
up.
Yeah.
It's coming.
Uh, Ooh, that's a support request.
That's not going to work.
Oh, we got the delimiter.
Commissure blogger 18,180 sats through fountain.
He says, howdy fellow audio engineering fans, Adam
and Dave.
I'd like to invite your audience to subscribe
to two video podcasts available also as audio
only podcasts by band drew, which you can
find on YouTube and podcast directories by searching
for podcast edge and band drew says podcast.
First one is a microphone review channel with
335,000 subscribers on YouTube.
Second is his personal soliloquy podcast, both a
delight for audio engineering fans.
Yo CSB.
It's funny that the guy who is always
talking about and promoting bandrews microphone podcast doesn't
actually use a microphone for anything.
I've never thought about it that way.
He never uses a mic.
At least not his voice to be heard.
Not for anything public.
The late to entrant boosts from Steven B
5,000 sats and that is coming in
from the split kit nickel dime quarter five,
10, 25.
My man boobery will be showing what is
possible with a live show.
You'll want to check out his satellite showcase
musical extravaganza.
That's a may 10th.
Hopefully that's a Sunday so we can promote
it on no agenda.
Oh yeah.
Darren O said you need to send band
drew a curry one.
Yeah.
Good luck with that.
One day, one day, five.
Yeah, it's a Sunday.
Okay, good.
Sunday.
Yeah.
No, it's a Saturday.
Five, seven, 25.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Uh, we got some PayPal's there.
These are all mixed in together.
Uh, Randy black sent us $10.
Thank you, Randy.
Appreciate you brother.
Uh, Basil Phillip, $25 podverse.
Speak of the devil podverse sent us 50
bucks.
Thank you.
Podverse.
Uh, Lauren ball, $24 20 cents.
Mitch Downey over there.
Podverse $10.
Uh, Christopher Harbark $10.
Let's see.
Terry Keller, $5.
Silicone florist, $10.
Chris Cowan, $5.
Paul Saltzman, $22 and 22 cents.
Thank you, Paul.
Damon Casajak, $15.
Thank you, Damon.
Uh, Derek J.
Viscar, the best name in podcasting, $21.
Uh, Jeremy Gerds, $5.
And we got, Oh, Alexander Beatty sent $200.
Whoa.
Hold on a second.
Thank you.
Lovely.
He said, Dave, apparently to get your attention,
I have to donate to podcasting 2.0.
Hey, that helps.
It works.
It worked.
Well, last month you brought up a philosophy
book that reminded me of my favorite philosophy
book.
And I sent you a link to the
audio book in my mega NZ drive.
Here is the DM that I sent you
on podcast index social.
Uh, so the, yeah.
And he's, he gives his DM.
I don't know if he wants me to
read that, but, um, he slid, he slid
into your DMS, baby.
I think I saw this and wasn't exactly
sure what it was because things with mega
links scare me.
Uh, yeah, I'm not a big fan of
the mega links.
I'm so risk averse from getting fished by
things.
I think I remember seeing that and kind
of like being afraid of it.
Send it back to me.
Um, Alex, Alexander, thank you.
I appreciate you.
And, uh, and I'll check.
I'll know it's, I'll know what it is
this time.
And I'll, uh, he said he really enjoyed
hearing about the technical side of the project
as an iOS developer.
And, uh, cool.
Thank you.
Appreciate your donation.
And let's see, we got, uh, Gene Liverman,
$5.
Thank you, Gene.
Appreciate your brother.
Uh, new media productions.
That's, uh, Todd Todd.
That's Todd.
Yep.
$30.
Thank you, Todd.
Michael, Michael Hall, $5 and 50 cents.
Timothy voice, $10.
Um, Oh, bus route, $1,000.
Boom.
Keeping it alive.
Thank you so much brothers.
Appreciate that so much.
Paying my taxes.
Thank you.
Yes.
The taxes on money we don't get.
Yes, exactly.
That's the funniest part of being an LLC
is you pay taxes over money.
You don't get his own.
Yeah.
For money you don't have.
He's like, okay, great.
Uh, well, he steamed bear $5.
Thank you.
Westin Jorge Hernandez, $5.
Michael Goggin, $5.
Uh, Oh, Rob, that's blueberry.
$300.
Thank you boys and girls over there.
Blueberry.
Thank you for keeping us alive.
Hey gents, Todd here from blueberry.
If there is one thing we would love,
uh, it's like an ultimate change log for
updates and changes to tags, et cetera.
I know there are not enough hours in
the day, but if someone is doing this,
let us know.
I am doing this Todd.
So, um, if you, Todd, if you look,
uh, let me get over here to the
namespace.
Okay.
I'm going to the discussions.
I'm going to find this for you right
now.
Uh, this changes made.
Okay.
So if you go to the podcast namespace
on get hub and go to announcements, category
slash, uh, changes made, uh, the announcement changes
made every time I make a change, I
add a note to this thread.
Well, there you go.
So that's, that's what y'all need.
If y'all just mock, if y'all
just take a look at that thread or
keep it, keep an eye on that discussion
group.
Anytime I make a change, I will, I
will document it there.
If, if that doesn't work and you think
there's a better way, somebody tell me, um,
but I, that's what I have been doing.
So yeah.
Tell me if that doesn't work for you.
Okay.
Todd.
Uh, and Cone Glotzbach $5, James Sullivan, $10,
Christopher Raymer $10, Jordan Dunville, $10.
And that's our group.
Beautiful group indeed.
Is that everything we got at all?
It's all done.
That's it.
All right.
Thank you all so much for supporting the
podcast index and doing that through the podcasting
2.0, a weekly board meeting.
Sorry we missed two in a row.
Um, that kind of sucked, but life got
in the way of a lot of things.
I was traveling.
Yeah.
Life and travel.
Exactly.
Uh, so we will be back, uh, next
week.
Uh, brother Dave, you're going back to work.
Uh, actually I'm going to an art show.
My wife's having an art show.
Oh, she's not pretty.
She doesn't have art in the show.
She's an art.
Uh, she, this is through a connoisseur.
She's a connoisseur of art.
She's a teacher, art teacher at the school.
And so the, her, her classes are having
art and art show.
So nice.
Oh, beautiful.
All right, everybody boardroom.
Thank you so much for being here.
Uh, we've done a lot of podcasting 2
.0 talk today.
Thank you very much.
Remember to keep vibe coding.
It'll keep you busy for the rest of
the week.
We'll be back next week on Friday with
podcasting 2.0. You
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