Unknown: podcasting 2.0 for Friday, February 5 2021, Episode
23 we're moving to Millie's lady's house.
Millie satoshis
I love this day, not just because it's Friday, but because
it is the most fun day of the week where we have a meeting of
the Board of podcasting 2.0 podcast index.org I'm Adam Curry
here in Austin, Texas. And now ladies and gentlemen, the man
who knows the longitude and latitude of every feed.
It's location time, baby.
Yeah,
I like I like the, you know, I like Fauci term. I was thinking
about that the on the way here. I was like, you know, he always
says, You got to get a boost. Marketing, perfect marketing for
lightning. Right?
You got to boost you got to boost the podcast. If you're
listening right now. Give us a boost. Boost. Boost. Man the
booster would really make it happen. You know.
We had the thing. The thing the
thing, you know the thing.
We had the the talk the lightning LMP thing this? Well?
Yes. Yes, I
was going to I was going to start right off the bat. We had
the dev zoom call on Tuesday. Okay, hold on a second, I have
not been able to shut up about this call. And Tina is now
almost annoyed with me.
I'm not annoyed with you, please. This
This was such a highlight for me for a number of reasons. I've,
you know, I've I've run big teams, I've had hundreds of
employees at the same time. I've run IT departments or had, you
know, oversight over IT departments work closely with
people who ran them. I've podcasting. You know, when we
were working on that, you know, went up on two decades ago. It
was, you know, a really quite a fantastic field to see people
working together. But we had none of the tools that we had,
we didn't have GitHub. We didn't have we didn't have blogs. I
mean, blogs was barely a thing at the time. We just had kind of
RSS that was functional. We didn't have zoom calls. And then
to have I think we had at one point it'd be 18 different
people. On the zoom call, I was I was humbled by it. like holy
crap. Look at all these people. And everyone had the cams on
which I really appreciated
that I'm usually not a cat. I'm not a camera guy. I liked that.
Yeah, no, I decided I was gonna have my cam on. And I think and
I had a background just because I was messing around with dump
software. And then Martin popped in and he had his pod friend HQ
background, which I thought was real at first, I'm like, wow,
this guy
looks really good. Yeah,
as in Denmark got this shit together. And this podcasting
thing, according to, according to pod news is exploding in
Denmark,
at 27%. I wonder why that is why they singled out as the growth
as the growth location for podcasting. In Denmark.
There were a number of things that I think probably well,
first of all, they speak English so well. It's It's such a second
language that,
you know,
that's easy for them. There's a very low barrier. And I think as
as those guys, what is it Dr. Who done the survey, they say,
Well, you know, actually the Coronavirus helped I think
people want exploring, you know, they're tired of and they're
tired of hearing the Fauci boost. They're looking for a new
boost. I'm looking for new boost baby
pod friends about the hat boost. Yeah,
I will get to that we'll get to that I'm so jacked about this.
The ideas that everybody had. So you do a free open source
project. And everyone's their own boss, they all show up if
they want to. They all have their own ideas. And to first be
able to see everybody and put faces to the names and also
hearing a voice. I mean, Mitch and Mitch does that was Mitch to
pod verse.
Yeah, that's right. Holy crap.
I had a whole different picture of Mitch.
Yeah, I thought he the net with the name Mitch. I thought he was
like a Grateful Dead follower
for this burly dude. like wait a minute,
is this clean cut young looking guy was
looking Dave Jones I think he's got us beat by a couple decades.
Yeah. And you know and then but there are also people who just
interested DC girl popped on. I thought that was nice to see.
Yeah. And and then you get the ideas and this is what really
struck me. So first we see the Gilliam A is, is he's just
cranking ahead today I tested his lm pay integration on pod
station. And it works. I mean, it worked out of the box once I
figured out what to put in where. And cool, it was really
quite simple. Now I'm, I'm deep into this. So for me, it's like
oh, I click here, create the wallet, put the coins in, here's
my I just had to find the the wallet ID the API key boom. And
then I immediately was working. I'm looking at the logs as he
instructs in his in his GitHub, so I can see the payments going.
Man, I think it looks like he's aggregating every 10 seconds,
and then waits for there to be enough to send. So it turns out
about every two minutes, you sending a payment. I'm not quite
sure what the algorithm is for that. But it was interesting to
see how it's how it's counting up. Whatever number needs to be
sent, which I think is smart.
Yeah, I like that. I like that. We talked about that on the
call. Yeah. Yeah. Every every app is gonna have to figure out
what works for their for their app, because none of these none
of no two apps are the same. You got pot station, who's an
extension, a Chrome extension? So mostly, they're gonna you
know, when he has
no server, right? You're talking? Yeah, that's I'm amazed
at how much he's getting accomplished with the back end
service is really
quite interesting. For real. Yeah. And I guess that just
speaks to the sort of power that these extensions can have. And
then you get pod friend, who's you know, PETA, da, and then you
got hyper catcher. And now pod versa. They're both native apps
and your podcast guru podcast. Yesterday, I think, yeah.
Everyone's got their own set of, like, hurdles and constraints.
Yeah. And they're all just figuring it out.
Yeah. And, and but just to see that complete freedom, that
complete autonomy, and then also myself, although I've realized
this several times along the way in the project is like, Oh, this
is where in a corporate environment, you would tend to
stifle everybody and no, no, no, you're not doing it. Right.
We're working on this part D integrate this. I was never like
that. But I can I can feel, you know, because in a way, this may
sound really fucking weird. But if someone says, what do you do
on this project, I say, I'm like the JV team conductor who comes
in I've got this orchestra, and one brought a theramin. And one,
one guy there, and Joe brought these cool instruments, you
know, the other guy, and there's always a juice heart. There's
always a drummer who just keeps beating, it just keeps moving
forward.
The bass, the bass guys always stoned.
Exactly. And then so essentially, I'm trying to write
a little bit of music conducted and then I'm listening to what
they're doing. And sometimes just walk away have a sandwich
and just see what see what they come up with. And it's, it's
really impressive. When Spencer who, yeah, he's pretty young
guy, and he's getting his I guess, he's doing some, some big
tests first degree, and
I couldn't tell if it was a boot camp or a university thing.
We're not sure it's like, right at the end of it, I think.
Exactly. And, and so he's a, he's, you know, he calls himself
I'm a junior Dev. And he just done his final project, I guess,
to be evaluated for it. No, go No, go on his, whatever he's
doing. They're all impressive to me. And he's like, I want to, I
want to do something with recipes, because they suck.
Like, holy shit. That
was a cool idea.
Yes, I'm like, finally someone saying, Oh, I can use this whole
podcast infrastructure to do something a little different. So
his idea was to have people can contribute to the recipe,
including video, but it could be, you know, someone
contributes the ingredients, or the actual recipe itself for the
write up, I don't know. And he was seeing, he was seeing the
splits in payments, working for that with the video. Payment
splits going to all the people who worked on the project, and
he just saw an app that just does recipes. Like this. Yeah.
Because that you know, the thing about that he zeroed in on to
me, it relates to podcasts like this. He zeroed in on this on
this product, which is recipes on the internet. And there's
tons of recipes. It's complete garbage. It
was funny cuz he said that and everyone's like, Oh my god, and
then this happens in the fucking the ads and the
subscribe to our newsletter is so bad. That's what podcasting
will look like. If there's not a different funding method that
develops and it all has to be ads. What's gonna happen well,
Ah, there you go. That's exactly why I left pod show slash me vo
is because I did not intend to spend my life making content
that's equally Have a NASCAR with all the sponsor stickers on
the on the windshield. It's like, No, I can't do this. It's
not gonna work. And you want me to put a VW engine in it? No.
No, I was on john cheese podcast.
That's right. All right. This is when he's a Mac developer, guys.
How
do I know? He's an electrical engineer? Oh, right. Right.
Right, right. And he does the causality podcast he does to
eat. I think his network is called the engineered network as
a podcast network. So he does. I know, his two podcasts are
causality. And pragmatic and pragmatic, was the one I was on.
And I'm hooked on causality, by the way that that is a killer
podcast. But I was on prag pragmatic where he just
interviews people about tech stuff. And so and we had, gosh,
we talked for two hours. if not more about, about podcasting,
podcasting, 2.0 and lightning Bitcoin and changing the dynamic
he's he's all in he's Raspberry Pi raspy, Blitz nice. I mean,
yeah, he's all in on this thing. And he's I mean, he's a Mac I
called him a Bitcoin maximalist Steena. He's, he's all in
it. And Dara asked when this pod
drops? No, no, no. He said this weekend. He said this weekend,
okay. I'm putting a link in the show notes right now to the to
the index Show page. People can find that cool, man. Yeah,
they're mad. Yeah. But it reminded me of, you know, just
how out of you don't like it, you start building something and
you hope that people will sort of get involved and take notice.
And then when it actually happens, it's like, oh, wait.
Oh, okay. It's kind of surprising when he will actually
do because you don't, I guess it's just human nature. You
don't expect people to have to share your ideas or share your
vision.
But that's what's so beautiful.
Yeah, I mean, he like he was 100% in the vision, like he's
got, he's like, we gotta change, you know, advertising
advertising. There's gonna come a day where it hasn't happened
yet, but I'm gonna have an advertiser who tries to censor
me and you know, we've got to get this alternative funding
method. What happens Patreon Reena rips cord out the rug out
from under everybody. Now,
now Patreon because I, I was following this. So Joe Budden?
Who has a nut job button if he's super famous, right. Was he a
hip
hop guy, and he's got no idea who Joe Budden is. Yeah, I'm
pretty sure this he's use any any art any music artist after
1998. I just don't even know like, that's where my musical
history was frozen in time. It's like frozen in carbonite from
1998. I'm with
you, brother. Well, here's what's interesting. And it also
kind of pertains to what's going on with us. So Joe Budden
announced his multifaceted deal with Patreon. And let's see
months after parting ways with Spotify, so he had a Spotify I
know it was exclusive, but he had a deal found. Joe Budden is
found at home with Patreon, the media figure so he's a media
figure share the news during the episode of his eponymous
podcast. But now when I read is that I think he's becoming the
head of create Yes, the head of creator equity at Patreon.
Yeah, and
I don't know what that is supposed to mean. I have an
idea. It sounds like a virtue signal. You know, probably if
anything, it's an answer to things like the podcast Academy
appointing del Rey caisson
get the podcast got to get differently because the podcast
equity, like they in the context of what he was saying. It was
like, equity meaning the relationship between the podcast
platform
Oh, please, Dave show?
No, I think
Roman
is legit.
I don't think so. Okay, I'm happy to be proved wrong.
Not that. I think strongly. That's what it is. I think it's
because because his thing he's been railing against Spotify,
because he was on he was one I think, if I'm not mistaken, he
was one of Spotify was first exclusive. Like one of the first
people they picked up and then I think he cut him loose and did
not renew his contract.
On the left. Yes. Okay. All right. Well,
then I could be wrong. And he said they were trying what he
said at the time when he dropped off Spotify was that they were
trying that they were screwing their artists. Yeah, screwing
the creative Whatever you taking too much money, yeah, what I'm
reading here.
Button said he and his team were treated unfairly throughout his
two year contract with Spotify, claiming the company wouldn't
allow them to take vacations for the holiday holidays and tried
to give them rolexes rather than bonuses. Yeah. That is the
record company mentality right there. Hey, son, I'm gonna give
you a Cadillac. Just play this over here and give you a
Cadillac.
When you get it. You have to pay and you have to pay the tax.
Oh, by the way, it's alone.
Yeah.
Because he actually accused them, he accused Spotify of
stealing his audience.
Okay, I am wrong. And I apologize. Thanks for setting me
straight.
Oh, so but but I am interested on the on the on the race angle
of that though. Because I've been listening to a lot of I've
been listening to a lot of Malcolm X's speeches, I've got
this audio book that's basically just a collection of all of his
speeches, they did this. They can they could ever be found on
audio just all run together. And I'm about halfway through it
I've been listening to for a few months. And it is so
enlightening and eye opening. Like it sort of blows my mind.
And part of the and part of what I've been thinking about is I've
been trying to figure out there seems to be and I think there
was an article yesterday that that stayed on freedom
controller I hadn't read yet. But it was about just about how
big Bitcoin how Bitcoin is, is getting this groundswell within
the black within the blacks, black community,
Isaiah Jackson, Bitcoin and black America. Is
that it? Yeah, yeah. And so like I wondered, you know, cuz you
got hotep Jesus out there. And I wonder what what is what is most
say about all that may see a Bitcoin guy and we
have been talking about this very intensely for the past
months, I'd say. And we have decided to put income from Moe
facts with Adam Curry. You know, just keep it all in Bitcoin. If
we get fi out, we'll put it into bitcoin. It's kind of our own
personal stand. What he says is that black America is very much
into bitcoin. There is a huge hesitancy though, and and this
stems from him, I would say, personally, but I think he's
right. He says, whenever I hear shit in the barber shop about
this, he says, I know black people about to get screwed. So
when Bitcoin was at 40,000, a couple weeks back, moe was at
the barber shop. And his barber was like, Hey, man, you bought
this Bitcoin? Should I get some? And most at the minute, I hear
that I said, it was at 40,000. I know that was bad news. He says,
that happened to us in 2008. With flipping homes.
So yeah, I didn't think about that.
Yeah, yeah. So so there's a lot of apprehension, but that's just
surface stuff, you know, because he hasn't had the opportunity to
look into it or been pointed in the right direction. So he
definitely sees it. Certainly the value for value pledge model
streaming satoshis, he totally gets that, which we still don't
really have a great name for. I haven't found it myself yet. You
know, like, so it just feels awkward to say value for value
payments or pledge I'm still Yeah,
in lightning payment. Sounds like it's too tied to one
specific thing. Because Yeah, be able to be flexible.
Yeah. So what I was going to say when it comes to the equity
part, because there is a lot of virtue signaling, but in a way
this, it pertains to this as well. When I also saw let's see,
we had our our feed archivist. That was his name. Oh, does the
opml
Oh, my Chris. Yeah. Yeah.
So Chris was in it. Yeah. I mean, this is amazing shit
people are doing and I never, never would have thought, hey,
let's find a guy to work on our project. Who goes out and finds
feeds you ferrets around in the darkest corners of the world to
try and find feeds. And it's fantastic. what he's done. I'm
so so happy and so just yeah, appreciative. And then, gosh,
who was the other guy if I'm forgetting bad at names?
And he was he had an interest in that Andy. Andy layman.
Yeah, I think it was Andy was talking about
the does the WordPress plugin
was that Andy Shipman? Maybe it was, I don't know. Yeah, but but
that's my point is like, yeah, here's what I here's what I
recognized. If you want equity in your life, demand free open
source software. When it's free and open source, everybody has a
seat at the table with with whatever idea they have. I can't
know what I want to but I can't stop anybody. I can't There's no
it's just like, it's that is total equity. Imagine if, if
Microsoft Word was free open source software, how good it
would be? Yeah, and how you could change it for the equity
that you need for your particular needs.
That talked about that on pragmatic as good as it was, you
know, one of the things that that always says, you know,
people are the most the most equal, when they're the most
free. When it comes to money, that there is nowhere is that
more so than financially? Like we knew with a, we talked about
that, you know, with, with lightning, you're essentially
your own bank. And, you know, you can you have, let me see,
let me let me read you this, this is this is from Malcolm X,
the speeches is a point these the point these things out,
especially for you and me, those of us who are trying to come
from behind, if we aren't aware, we'll find that all these modern
methods of trickery will be used. And we will be maneuvered
into thinking that we're getting freedom or thinking we're making
progress when actually we'll be going backwards. Yeah. And I
think that perfectly sums up. Like, if you take that and apply
that to the financial aspect of, I'll just leave out the rest of
the world but but just the US for a minute. I mean, with with
all the the monetization of debt, and all that, you know,
all the things that have gone on all the endless quantitative
easing, all of these things that have gone on is produced things
that look like progress. You know, the stock market at
30,000, and all these kinds of things that look like progress
and our 401, K's are, are growing and all these kinds of
things. But if you step back and things like that, wait, maybe
that's just trickery? Maybe, maybe it's not actually
progress. Maybe it's looks like progress, but we're actually
going backwards. And you know, when you bring Bitcoin into it,
and these cryptic cryptocurrencies, things that
are inherently deflationary, you start to really see you get real
suspicious really fast.
And I think what we're seeing is, and this is what Wall Street
bets, is partially about, okay, it's rigged, there's your proof,
now we're gonna ignore you, or go against you, whatever it is,
they figured it out, they figured that this is a new
generation. It's the millennials, this is the ones
who are, you know, 25 to 3035. I'll even give you that. And
they have figured out the game, I think Wall Street bets also
helped them figure out centralization. patreon showed
that to a degree, although I had all kinds of other issues, I
think. And, and,
I mean,
I have all my nephews, now emailing me, asking me like,
Hey, you know, okay, what should I do? Do I buy aetherium? Like,
no, no, hold on. So they're all getting into it right now. I
can't advise you, I'm gonna tell you what I do. Every time I get
some money, and I take 10 or 20% of that whatever I can miss. And
I put that into bitcoin. And I just, you know, just let it go.
And I take you know, keep an eye on it. It should there be an
incredible dip? For some reason, I'll watch and this starts to go
up. I'll probably buy a little bit, you know, take advantage of
that. But I know that ultimately, long term, this is
your time value preference. Long term, it'll be fine.
Just vital to survival mentality. Yeah.
Just so I love people who are bringing back the arguments that
we heard five years ago, the arguments that I participated in
on the argumentative side 10 years ago, like, well, now it's
like, it's too much energy, and you're going to use up the
world's electricity. Oh, yeah. And today, like Yeah, I think
that's kind of the point, wouldn't it be at some point
just advantageous for a miner to get a license and build their
own nuclear facility?
That Okay, so or by
offer shares in, you know, some kind of collaborative where you
put up your, your equity and Bitcoin, lock it up to let them
build something, I can see all that
happening. In that, you know, you compare that you compare the
energy energy expenditure of something like Bitcoin, with the
energy expenditure it takes to run the entire financial banking
system, globally, and it is nowhere close yet or mine or
mining for precious metals. Yeah, I mean, yeah, none of
these things are energy neutral by any stretch of the
imagination, but
I like the idea that technically, you know, in my
mind, if you if you purchase a piece of Bitcoin, I have
purchased the energy that went into making that into mining
that and then I can take that to a whole different country, and I
can spend it and buy the energy back over there. You know, it's
like it's like transportable energy.
Well,
I mean, Money has energy, it has velocity, you know, it has
movement. And I think what we're doing with the lightning network
now is we're, we're driving it, word ratcheting it up.
Well, that's the other thing that people like, you know, I
sort of have been in this mindset for a long time, because
I lean towards Austrian economics, that whole idea in
the in the in history, which we don't even understand now, is
the idea of purchasing money. But you know, money is a good
just like anything else. Right. And like, that whole idea is
like to the modern idea where all we've known is Fiat printing
is not backed by anything printable money, that those
concepts that Bitcoin sort of embodies. They're just not in
the current mode. They're not in the modern Well,
yes, and no, I think we're very close with Venmo has taught
people a lot. Cash app has taught people a lot, I think, I
think there's a generation that has been has been interested to
purchase Bitcoin, not quite knowing, you know, if it will be
useful for anything else. Lightning is certainly where
usefulness comes in. He has a lot of fraud out there, people
don't understand fees, and quite honestly, it's completely
confusing for anybody and the fact that you have to send
invoices back and forth. So that's kind of solved with or
getting solved with keys. And now you can replicate what
people are used to with Venmo. But man, I don't I don't
discount this generation, that they're figuring it out. Real
quick, short, 99% complete. People are completely oblivious
to Bitcoin itself. Forget other kryptos I've just heard some
stuff. But yeah, I mean, the writing with VSA now saying,
Yeah, we should have our customers should be able to buy
crypto. Yeah. What do you think about that? I think is what
what's your what's your full is your first thought when you saw
that headline?
I thought they are competing against their own clients, you
know, they do transactions and processing for for many apps,
including plaid networks, which is the middleware from Venmo.
And they're clearly expanding, they introduced a world I'm not
sure if they're financially involved, but they help with
strike. You know, I think there may be some venture capital even
or some some capital in, in strikes operation from from visa
because they want to compete, you know, they want to be the
guys that, that process everything, whether you're
coming in with Bitcoin or, or any other crypto that they feel
is appropriate, or dollars or euros, they want to do it all.
And, you know, I know what we're gonna wind up with, and it's
pretty clear. If you buy more than I think if you know, you'll
be there'll be a limit on how much you can buy, I think it'd
be $10,000. No, it's if you send more than $10,000 from your
exchange wallet to an exchange address, that will be registered
just as if I send more than $10,000 in a wire transfer,
internationally, whatever that's, you know, it's an essay
or will be written up you have if you if you come into the
country, technically with more than $10,000 in cash or assets,
you have to declare that. And then there will be a limit on
selling crypto per day into Fiat. I'm sure that's coming. So
the obvious answer is the more we can do in the crypto realm is
is where they can't touch you.
It Yourself stays in crypto. Yeah.
So you know, already I buy my voltage node and crypto. I'm
just getting used to it. Anybody that shows up I mean, everything
every every vendor, like pest control or so you take Bitcoin
now, are you really asked that always now? I'm always asking.
Yep.
Yes, the termite guy.
Dude, the termite guy started with me. He said, Okay, don't
you remember, this was over Thanksgiving. He's like, Hey,
you know, my brother was over. And this guy, he's a little
older than me. So he's in his early 60s, maybe? Yeah. Or maybe
he's my age. And he's just been outdoors in Texas longer than
me. And he's like, I saw your stuff up. There. You got your
Bitcoin chart. We think of bitcoins. I kind of believe in
what's going on here. Yeah. My brother showed us how to buy it.
And did you get some Yeah, we all bought some. And then he had
the right idea about it was very interesting.
It must be something in the DNA of those of pest control guy,
Pest Control guy in the office. He's like, he's asking me about
XRP and ripple and Monaro, and he's he's like, he's got like
five different crypto accounts. First like, I mean, I don't
know, what's it what's up with those guys? Well, I mean not to
turn this into the Bitcoin show no, no, no the thing. I would
say this though, I did listen to jack Mahler's on. And I think
this is I think this is a fairly old episode maybe from last year
sometime. He was on a podcast, the podcast from Bitcoin
magazine called what Bitcoin did? Yes, I've been on that.
Yep. Okay. And he did a two part episode on lightning. And the
first part was he they start talking about lightning, but in
order to get into it, they go over the problems with the block
with with deterring cat they get they give an overview of why
Bitcoin white lightning needed to exist. And in the process of
explaining that they also explained all the problems and
why the blockchain block size was not in was not increased,
like a lot of people wanted it to be. They go over a lot of
historical stuff about the political tech around Bitcoin
proper. And it is fascinating. I highly recommend that to anybody
who is like wanting to get into any of the developers that are
deterred dabbling with this stuff, and don't feel very
strong in their knowledge of Bitcoin. That was a fantastic
primer, two part primer on lightning. And the reasons
behind it feels great.
So I'm thinking if I go to podcast index.org Oh, wait, can
I search by person on our homepage?
Yeah, but you're not going to find that episode, though.
Because it's so old. It's already rolled off their feed.
Ah, that sucks.
Yeah, they evidently put out an episode every 20 minutes. So
there's 5 million episodes.
It's funny. So anyway, to bring it back, the diversity of
thought the diversity of background, the diversity of
country origin, race, creed, color, it pretty much everything
was represented. It was exhilarating to me. And I cannot
wait to see what kind of UI or UX choices people will make.
It's, it's I'm really, really jacked about this. And then to
have, you know, a complete front to back working thing. In what
we did this on Tuesday.
And testings day,
Wednesday. I could have tested it yesterday.
Yeah. No, no, I'm sorry. You're right. Tuesday. Yeah. And you
and you. Yeah, it's like it was instantaneous. everybody's like,
Okay, we got it.
And by the way, Dave, if I may, yes. Great job on the slides and
showing the flow and you just didn't work. You also, did you
do an endpoint this? The feed value slash feed and point,
something like that?
Yeah, we put that together for for gamma gamma. Yeah. Yep. What
is what does it do? Well, it just does one thing, it just, it
just gives you the value blog back for a URL. We just did
that. Because like he's reading, he's reading the feed RSS
directly the same way that like, like pod friend does. Okay.
Yeah, they use us for search. But then, once they somebody
chooses the feed, they just grab the feed and parse it right
there.
Oh, okay. That's cool.
Yeah. But they're not going to have the value blocks. I
understand only they need and they just need that. So
So. Yeah. So instead of doing a full call for everything, and
just say give me but I guess. I don't know. So pod friend also
pulls in my, my chapter tags and everything from the RSS feed.
Yeah, that's right. Nice. Interesting. Is there a benefit
to doing that over getting it from the getting the information
from the index? besides it being guaranteed the right, the right
data?
Yeah, well, you know, it's instantaneous. You see, as soon
as the feed updates, you already see that you don't have to wait
for the aggregator Ah, yeah, gotcha. Gotcha. So there, it's,
it's helpful in situations where, like, we're in today,
where just not everybody supports webs. And you still got
to go crawl and all that jazz. You know, it's just like instant
feedback.
This website is another thing that needs to be built out. Mm
hmm. That's pretty cool. What, what all that can do to the web
subs? Are they able to talk to each other to update each other?
No, it's it's a one to one subscripts subscriber. It's just
like RSS cloud. Used to be okay. It's a registration and I want
on my to do list is to Dan Benjamin and Tom Ross ever bust
Brad, they want to help help build this out. So we're the
plan is that we will build a web sub implementation. And then it
will be something that the index and the hostess can run and
it'll be something they're familiar with that you'd be
like, you know, spin up a VM, run this thing and everybody can
have their own web sub. So we're gonna that's, that's on the
now. It's on the tonight. When you say everyone has their own
website, I mean, how does that all coordinate? And how does it
ping propagate? So everyone knows what's going on.
Just it's a, it's a subscriber you thing, you know, so you
have, as anybody can say, I want to be notified when the feed
changes. And this is the feed I'm interested in. So for like,
fireside, fireside is running their own website, then they
don't have to depend on Google or superfeet, or all these other
people, they can just run that right there in their hosting
environment,
right? But then who,
then Owl and all their feeds would then get that web sub as
the hub.
Right? But how does an app know what web sub to talk to to get
the updates? Or am I misunderstanding What's going
on?
The apps like Angela, and for us, we're subscriber to that to
that hub. So every time we read a feed, we look in the feed for
the hub specification and then we call out to that
notified
Ah, I didn't realize that there was a hub specification in the
RSS feed.
Yes, it exists in the XML.
Why wasn't I notified of this?
The world didn't give you a heads up?
No. Is this is in my feed to
it is not in your feed. He did not have a hub. Oh, Dana, you
don't have a hub. And you could use the podcast index hub when
we get this thing built.
Okay, so that's basically what I'm doing when that script you
gave me to ping the index in my purse?
Yeah. You're pretending to be a hub? Yeah, at that point.
Okay. Maybe if I look more like a hub, it'll update more. It'll
update faster. Yeah. I sit really still and look like a
hub. Okay. Yes.
Yeah, that's, that's on the radar screen I've got I can
actually get now that we've got the namespace, the phase two
shift, I can actually get some of these back of the page. To Do
list items. Well, I
had a guy because I had a question about podcaster
wallet.com.
Yeah. redheaded stepchild of everything I've ever done.
Yeah, but I feel it's coming. It's coming. It's coming.
Because the more we talk about the splits, the more people want
them. And I think if you look at what, what speaks, chat, if you
just start up a tribe and throw in your RSS feed, you can get
satoshis from anybody who is listening on Sphinx chat. But it
but if it's not in the, if you're not, if you don't have a
value block, either in your feed or in the index, then you won't
be able to do splits. So I know what's coming, is people are
gonna want to have splits because you know, it's easy.
People go in and like, Oh, just throw in this feed here. I'm
done. I'm done. So eventually, they're gonna want split. So I'm
just thinking ahead saying we've got to make that friendly, and
understandable for people.
That's, that's really the neck. That's actually the top thing.
I've got my to do list right here. And I think I think we
need to help Dave.
Yeah, I want to get the tenant. I don't know how to do that. I
don't want to be baggy,
baggy, baggy. baggy. Look it up. Bro. Let me tell you something,
the value you have brought to this project. People would would
come to your house and wash your car. I will. Truck people will
do your shopping for you. Ah, it's not begi
you could wash my truck, and you still won't be able to tell any
difference. No, I mean, like, when you're when you're ready,
drunk playdough aardige, he did so much work on the wet on the
main website. It's like, I think I'm gonna take that and take the
stylesheet sneer thing off that and just apply that look and
feel to the podcaster Wallet for the time being. And then once
once I can get the functionality there where it's actually, it's
really close, it actually looks and feels a lot worse than it is
on the back end. Like on the on the back end. All the pieces are
mostly there, there's just a little bit of plumbing that is
not right. And so it it actually, when you when you use
it, you're like, this thing's a piece of shit, you know, but
then, but it's actually it's a lot closer than it really looks.
And so it's not gonna, it's not gonna be like it's going to take
a month to fix this thing. I think it really will take maybe
10 or 15 hours of work to to get everything polished up because
it just to some some of the API calls aren't returning exactly
right. Like it like I like that luck. I now know that they
should. And there were some decisions made at the beginning
that I should need to get back and refactor. So sure, sure,
it's not too bad. It's actually not as bad as it looks, which is
the opposite of usually it's much worse than it appears.
The other way.
The way I look at it is, you know, I want to go to podcaster
wallet as a podcast who's heard about this shit, like, hey,
we'll look at this. And then and then I want it to be like, hey,
start having your audience satoshis to you today right
away.
Yeah, you know, here's
what you do clickety clickety clack bone. Yeah, it's never
gonna be like that. But I think we can use language that is
exciting and helpful at the same time and give people all the
options because now we, we kind of have two paths the wild shit,
I just want to get started and I don't know much about Bitcoin
and, and, or lightning, maybe get me going, that's the Elon
pay route. And then, okay, I'm a pro. And and I want to, you
know, have a, have a note that I have more control over, you
know, than when we grab voltages API and help them create a node
right from the page. You know what I mean? I can just see all
this stuff. All this? I mean, maybe even, maybe. g here's a
thought for you. Would it be crazy to have a podcast or a
wallet? No, shoot. scratch it. I need to stop daydreaming. Yeah,
you
you out thought yourself? I did. I did. And it hurts.
But in fact, I got it twisted back against,
you know, play play the played the clip. And these may be
clipped to to Bill Clinton's advice?
I think it is, you have to both stay within those parameters.
And make things up a little as you go along.
The crux of our show right there. Yep. That's pretty
much this whole project. I do not understand that podcast, by
the way, a podcast called Why Why am I telling you this? But
it's also the exact same name as a Clinton Foundation podcast
called Why am I telling you this is existed for like two years.
So I'm not really sure what
and even when you listen to it, you still don't understand why
he's telling you that I would I would get
pretty much yeah. So
the other thing that that became very apparent to me, just to,
you know, wrap this up on the on the pledge payments. As you
know, I was configuring pod station. And it's man, it's so
it's so pretty, so easy to do. And it says here because he's
thought ahead value in milli SATs per hour. And he has a
default there of Wow, he has 3 million.
That's a little high.
Well, that's that's no,
it's 300. Yeah, no, yes. Yeah. Yeah. So that's 3000. Yeah, 3000
SATs per hour, but it doesn't milli SATs.
And you know, milli SATs is what the value block is already. I
know. And it's so smart. Because I was thinking today. I mean, if
you do 100 satoshis a minute, which is what I have my stuff
set at typically, that's what I had it set out in savings. Now
it turns out to be several bucks an hour. I mean, it's going
fast. So I'm glad we went to milli SATs. And I'm glad that
gliomas is kind of paving the way with the calculation and
tallying up before he sends a payment. Because we're gonna
need it I mean, the way bitcoins going milli satoshis is gonna be
necessary.
So that that's what he's, that's why he's sort of queuing up the
queue, you know, like, doing the ad, adding it up as he goes
along. And then once he hits enough for sort of a sane amount
of SATs, then you just sense that bundle, right?
Yeah, works well works really well.
We know I talked to, I talked to Tim at Ellen pay on our sim a
message on signal and he said that he's gonna work on getting
that getting a new API call for keys and where you can, where
you can just give all three splits, right? Or all the splits
at once. You just say okay, I want I want this and I want to
split up this way. And they can be a bathroom. Yes, right.
Perfect.
There's also a telegram group for Ellen pay.
Get into how do you get into said telegram group.
So you get the telegram app? I despise telegram? I really don't
like it mainly because the groups that I've looked at
before you know, you look at it again. Oh, this 1500 new
messages What? It's not helpful. You know
what, it's kind of like that on podcast index dot social right
now.
In a way it's never telegram is worse. And but if there's not a
lot of messages, then the signal to noise is much better. So the
telegram and just search, you install the app, you hit search,
you do ln pay. And there's I think there's two groups, and
then just click and then you just join and then then Bob's
your uncle.
Okay. All right. Yes, don't get in there.
So I'm super stoked to see how people will handle the wallet
creation. What kind of user experience they have in mind.
What kind of stuff they're going to display periodically. So with
pod station, it was just playing and then I on one hand and look
over to the right on the log, which I, personally I like I
don't know if anyone else will but I like seeing when the when
the payments go out. And then I did tab over to my wallet so I
can see the number go down. The whole process is exciting. I
played our show and right and I was watching on my Zeus wallet
on my phone like boom, boom, there's 20 2020 nice.
Oh, that's why I was getting paid this morning.
I was it Yes, I was paying us. Okay, good. I do want it from
the LM pay wallet. So that works perfectly. I was like somebody
listening
in the morning. We're about to drop another.
I know, I know.
So, I mean, we don't want to overlook the fact that we
shipped phase two of the potty of the namespace right? Oh, baby
overlooked. Now it.
Never overlooks? Never undercooked. It's the namespace
and it's hot, baby hot, hot, hot. No, I am glad you stopped
and brought us into this place. Because right around the same
time, that we get the ln PE stuff cranking up all of a
sudden, but a bing bada boom, we've got buzzsprout releasing
feeds that have location tags, and it works in several of our
apps out of the box. Yeah, mind blowing, mind blowing, like holy
shit. But I had to go back and do two more announcements today.
podcast addict has it hasn't come in or that they just
released it.
They got it. They got it. They got it loaded yet.
I think they loaded it up. I don't know if it's still on. But
I thought it was out of beta. It doesn't matter. Okay, I just, I
just retweeted one of their tweets. Okay. And this is this
is cool. What I liked about this, and this is again, for
you, Mr. Dave Jones. without really a coordinated effort, as
in, you know, we send each other calendar invites. This beauty
just happened, you know, so this is the two sides of the equation
finally coming together. And they and they come at the same
time, with buzzsprout, having the feed, helping with the
authoring tools to get that into a feed. And then we have these
apps just sitting there waiting, going, Oh, boom, I know how to
do that and displays it right in the app. bone. chillingly cool.
I think that this validates the sort of phased approach that
we're taking where, where we hash things out. And then
everybody knows the target date. And as things as things start to
get closer and closer to the date, everybody can say, Okay,
this now we can start to start playing with this, we can put it
in beta, we can start to experiment, and then the day it
drops, if something changed, it's like, okay, quick tweak,
and we're done. You know, we're ready to ship.
That was really cool.
I think I'm, I'm more excited about this one than I was about
phase one. I mean, phase one was great. But I mean, really the
the chapters and the transcript and all that, but these these
tags here, person, location, and season, those are some killer
things, man, like the idea that you could, we can finally take
the the guests and hosts and producers and executive
producers, and writers and, and graphic designers, and all these
things, all these people that contribute to podcasts on a
daily basis, the fact that we can now take those people and
stick them into structured bits of data within the feed is so
cool, man. I mean, like, it's great. I don't know, I'm just
kind of eating out about it. But you know,
no, no, I totally understand it would be even cooler. If I could
make my feeds have them included. That would
be that would be a wonder if you know anybody that could do that.
I have a different idea. Okay, I'm going to call out to cast a
pod. Okay, and I'd like cast a pod to set up an instance for me
of cast a pod. I don't care what it's on. I'll switch the billing
to me. I want to create because they seem to be Casta pod seems
to be always up to date on the feed stuff. And you I can't
expect you to be hammering that into the freedom controller
that's just not efficient every single time we create something
or whatever you're gonna know isn't that makes no sense. And
since that's his main goal in life not to either that or maybe
maybe I should do more use WordPress, maybe I should use
the plugin. What do you think that's possible too.
Well, What I think is that we should just throw it. I mean,
you just threw that out there. And we'll see what what people
come back with for suggestions. Yeah, cuz, you know, cuz like,
okay, here's
Catholic default, I tried to set up, it just went, I couldn't get
it done.
I tried to set it up too. And I and I gave up. And I just think
that I think there's somebody will have, I think I like your
idea I like either either Ben sets it up for us, or I was just
missing something. There's some PHP redirect stuff. And I think
somebody else on the podcast index on that same issue, trying
to set up cast upon, that there was something with the way that
it does redirects and the URL that it was just not I could not
get it working. And I didn't have enough time to
know. Exactly, exactly. So that'll all work out. Because
what's happening now is I have so much to do manually. And
although I really like it, because people don't know, the
freedom controller has a just an awesome RSS editor, because it's
an outline. And everything's completely configurable with,
you know, just right there on the page. But there's so much I
have to do, and every feed has its nuance of the because I do
produce for I guess, the nuance of the feed ID The Good, the
good. And then how that has to be mapped to hyper Capture
Studio hyper Capture Studio, because it automatically creates
this JSON URL from the GUI, or from the link to I made a whole
bunch of things. And inevitably, I wind up like forgetting to
change the pub date, which then makes Episode 22 show up under
Episode 21. If anyone was wondering how that happened, so
that's
too much. Manual, it's a little nicer, specially
after you do the show. And I produce these if no agenda is
like three and a half hours or whatever. And then, um, you
know, you get sloppy, it's just what happens. Well, you
know, that Martin's RSS feed RSS builder, I think it's what he
called feed builder. That that is, is a really nice, it's the
right is Yeah, but it's got a it's got a couple of critical
bugs in it. And but I you know, he's he's a busy guy, he's not
wanted
Martin to work on that. Now. I mean, we have, we have, you
know, it's the same thing. We get a new tag or something, you
know, another face close, that has to be updated Casta pod and
the word it was a pod press is that it was the thought that
it's called plate.
Now, I don't know what Andy's calling it. I'm not sure what
the name is. Or if he even has one. I saw his GitHub the other
day, and I thought it was just like a WordPress, podcast plugin
or something like that. And I mean, any anything like that, if
anybody wants to take that ball and run with it so that we can
have a quick way to generate a valid feed with all these new
tags in it. Yeah, at
least on podcasting. 2.0 Hello. Well, I
mean, the RSS builder that Martin build, is just got a
couple of bugs in it. I mean, somebody really could sell that
project, brag
that, grab that and just make it work. Yeah,
yeah. And just fix a couple of things. And I think it's fine. I
mean, like, if somebody wants to do that, that'd be great, too,
as well. But I personally think if I can help improve the other
projects, such as cast a pod, yeah, True. True. You know, then
I'm then I'm really helping or the or the WordPress podcast,
play a plug in. Either way, I then will contribute. So it's
probably better.
And I have the new podcast apps.com, the podcast index.org
slash apps. I incorporated the changes into that. I feel
terrible. He did that. He made those changes that to make the
mobile appearance better.
Oh,
yeah. I just saw the PR for it.
Yeah, I incorporated. I pulled that PR down when I did the
namespace update on the on the site. So it, it looks a lot
better. Now. If you want to look at that on your phone.
Just exactly what I'm doing a new podcast. Let me see. The
mobile was kind of hurting. You see, the thing is, I think we
need one more. Okay, so the problem I'm seeing here, I'm
just gonna say it because this obviously this shows everything
for the project. But if I send someone the new podcast apps,
the first thing to look at is where's Android? Where's
Android? And there's and so first thing you see is
applications using the podcast namespace for elements that are
in so yes, while true. That's not what new podcast apps calm
should portray. So while this is great for searching for pieces
of functionality,
Well, it's Mitch. Mitch did that,
right? But Mitch, yeah. So it needs to be split up, we need to
have hosts, or hosting software or solutions and apps. And then
it needs to be separated by Android, iOS, and Linux. Okay?
Because we just need to that language can be moved to the
bottom. And maybe even the elements can be moved to the
bottom, because what I want to see when I pop up is I want to
see all these apps. And they're there. Except it's interspersed
with the hosting companies. And it's just confusing.
Okay, yeah. So it's just, it needs to be some rearranging
that's done.
It's just rearranging I think, if, if we could take all the
stuff at the top of the page. So the explanation and the elements
and move that down to the bottom, and then have apps and
then have the three categories or four if we have four, and
then hosting companies self hosting. cool shit, you know,
whatever it is. Yeah. Because we have we have cool shit too. And
by the way, I think and web apps is probably its own category.
Do you think so? Like made a metal iPod iPod? Yeah, yeah,
maybe.
I mean, it can be in multiple that can be in more than one.
And because you mentioned the the season tag, no. Was it NPR
PBS who was interested in this? I can't remember
that. NPR. NPR. So yes, stay stay. Stacy.
We gave you what you want. Stacy over at NPR make happen. How
about having one developer? Maybe over the course of two
weeks? Just create a cool little NPR podcast app. Everything's
there for you, girl.
Yeah, boss.
Hey, Stacy, over there at NPR.
And now it's time for?
named Stacey. I know you want your season. Let me be all
quatre statue only for you. Make your own? I don't know. Make
your own. Make an NPR app.
It comes it comes with a pack of cigarettes.
So what else do we have unfazed and wet? So phase two, when do
we close?
phase two is closed it closed?
When did we get when did we close?
Oh 131.
Right. Okay. Yeah. So
what was that Sunday?
Monday? Yeah. And in that we have a person person. Yep.
person, location, season and episode. And what is the
episode? That episode is just so you know, in the iTunes
namespace yet season and episode. In the end, they they
see that they they're married together. So the idea of season
you have a season and in an episode denotes What? What?
chronological order, you know that come to the show comes in
and in the season. So we really had to have both here as well.
If we're going to replicate season, we need to replicate
episode as well, because it just makes sense. That way, we did a
little tweak on episode where you can have like a special
number. So okay, perfect example like, you know, the overall
nogen Do y'all do a? a special episode every now and then it
was like 100.5 or something like that. Mm hmm. And like this,
this episode tag lets you do that you can say, Okay, this is
a special episode. And you can give it a fractional number. You
can give it a like a decimal number. And it'll Cranleigh.
It's supposed to tell the App Player the app, the app, that it
should sort that episode between two other numbers.
Ah, oh, cool. Tell me pod friend already has that it working now?
Probably because because Stacy, NPR. He could look at it. Make
your seasons the way you want.
Yep. It's and we went around about a little bit with whether
or not you know how to tweak that tag out. But it was pretty
simple. And I think that, that it'll code and it coexists.
Those two tax season and episode coexist perfectly with the
iTunes season stuff. So you can you don't lose any functionality
at all by using those. By by having them both in there. It
doesn't mess anything up or all that kind of stuff. So you can
just drop those extra tags in there. And podcast apps that
recognize it will should just be able to pick it up right off the
bat. Wow, man,
we're building something big here.
I think so. We got to figure out what's up with phase three. Now.
What do we have open still?
Well, I think okay, here's and people can pipe in and tell me
If they are feeling the same way, but I, I sort of feel like
it's time to tackle the alternate enclosure thing.
Yes, I'm with you.
And that seriously may be the only tag in phase three. Because
I have a
value. Where's value? Is that still open? Right?
Yeah, but I don't know that we can even focus on putting that
in a phase right now. Because the because we're not we're not
finished building it. Like I don't even in in, like, we still
have chicken and egg stuff happening with how to get the,
with getting apps and all that kind of stuff. I feel like on
the value tag, that it can remain experimental for a while
until we can get some apps until we get to him. I feel like that.
For that tag. We have to feel like we have to have the
infrastructure in place before the tag goes. goes into.
I'm with you. Well, definitely for for phase three alternate
enclosure, because we have so much excitement around ipfs but
also shout out to Brian of London talk about our equity
there in the meeting. Yeah, I mean, we, we we had other
blockchains represented. Yes. And I will point out he said
that there's much hotter chicks are working over at hive than on
lightning. So I thought that quite misogynistic. But I loved
it.
Brian Bray always bring no in how to get the app developers
involved. There is such a
such a deficit of women in there is not just in podcast index,
but in the lightning development, even though
lightning labs itself is run by a woman.
Yeah, lightning Labs is a very diverse,
yes, yeah. But in the actual development arena, which which
I've seen, I just haven't seen many women. That's sausage fast,
man. Yeah, that's the thing. It's not really a sausage fest
now is it? It's not like a bunch of dudes.
It's like, I've got a buddy who is a philosophy, who teaches
philosophy at UAB, here in Birmingham. And he, so I, I've
been reading these articles about for a couple years now
about how the student body at colleges is skewing more and
more female. So now it's like, I think the last article I read
was like, it's like 65% women on the typical college campus. And
so and I asked him about that when we had the adult dinner a
few few weeks ago, I was like, are you seeing this in your
classes? And he said, He's like, Oh, yeah, totally. He said, he
said that on a typical, so he teaches like, he teaches like
ethics. And so he all this, you know it, that's a core class. So
all of this, he's going to his classes are going to be not
philosophy majors, they're going to be mostly just general
student body. So it should be representative of the student
body as a whole for the most part. So he said that in his
classes, he said, it's about that's about right. He said it
is 65 or 70% female. And he said the men in the class, are they
they're on both extreme ends of the spectrum. So he said they're
either the smartest people you've ever met. Or they're
complete idiots. He's like,
and they're all there though. That's interesting.
Yeah. But he said the women is this nice this nice, sort of
like, level and not level but like this nice mix all along the
the range of like people who are, you know, struggling to get
to the class, and then you have smart ones. And then you got
people in the middle and you got, you know, you got normies
in there. But he said on the men side, he's like he, they're
either complete morons, and you don't even know how they get to
college, or the complete other end of the spectrum and the
smartest people in the room. But he said like, there's no middle,
there's nothing in the middle. And he said all his comment was
all the dudes that would have fallen in the middle are all
programmers. Yeah, yeah. We're not going to they're not going
to college.
Yeah, and it's, it's, it's it's a whole world man. It's like, I
see the the building. It's just, I'm too old too, but I can I can
see it. You grow up with Minecraft. You grew up with all
these these things with gaming. You know, we you and I still had
the phone attached to the wall you know, with a long cord that
got all tangled and messy and not at the rotary. Yeah, I mean,
so to see these tools and I think was really Wall Street
bets that put me in the mindset of Oh, okay. Now I get it and I
look at their hits. When I hear someone talking about the 70s
the way we would talk about the 50s because it's exactly that
it's 50 years ago.
Oh, that's Oh, that's don't do that.
Yeah, I have to, though because well, yeah. But that's so you
know, now it's the 90s, you know, and we think of the 90s.
Like, Oh, yeah, yeah, I remember that was yesterday. Yeah,
exactly. Where were you? And I was already on the internet. And
then so we have just a whole different group they've grown up
they have they get massive respect from me for how they are
determining their own future and Bitcoin is a part of that maybe
all kryptos are but bitcoins a sovereign nature of it. That
philosophy?
Yeah, that's what got me about jack Mahler's and on the what
Bitcoin did thing is even talking about, you know about
that group and how they're taking how they're taking back,
you know, money, financial freedom, and that kind of thing.
And I didn't, I'd never really heard him very much, even though
man you've communicated with
his his, he's smart as a whip his interviews blow me away,
blow me away, and he has fire, you know, he's angry. Like, he
is highly intelligent individual. Yeah,
I like the fire, like the anger like that. It's as good. As you
know, this is what happens in these depressive time, some of
the best art comes out. And as you know, software development
in my book is science and art, sometimes more art than science.
That more you're more always more art than science Really?
Well, you know, so based on the conversation that we had on this
the other day, I mean, this, man, there's a lot that code is
art right there, man, those guys are tough.
And I and I wanted to remind everybody, as you're building
this out, remember your value sliders, or knobs, or whatever
you do. And remember, your boost buttons, boost buttons is the
magic is I want to say, I don't know exactly the universe that
we have. And some of it is I've been boosting myself, which is,
in fact, illegal in your state. Data it
is it is don't don't use pitch data here.
But I so I set up my own podcaster wallet node at at
voltage, so I could connect. And I can use Thunder hub, and get
real overviews of 24 hours, you know, a day, a week, a month, a
year, see what's happening. And I am up to over $2 per day. Oh,
okay. So now just think if I mean, so for months, now I've
seen the I just call it our magic money machine working.
Which means I've seen, you know, satoshis come in almost every
single minute of every hour of every day on the podcast index.
Now it's very small. It's a, you know, one, one to three satoshis
at a time, typically not more, depending on if there's a split
from a boost, but my own podcast or node, because I had all that
stuff go into Sphinx. And then we changed it and I started to
pay attention to it and start doing the stats. There's no one.
Almost no one is using this stuff. And I'm getting $2. So
when we have liftoff, and apps are being used and wallets are
created and SATs are flowing, I can go back to my model. I think
we can multiply what I'm receiving now, maybe by 1000.
See, I think there should be okay here. Here's my I think
there should be a three way thing going here. There should
be four podcast apps that are implementing us right now. It
feels like there should be a per per time interval. Send just
like we've always talked about per minute per hour, whatever it
is. Then the boost where you can set it set a custom boost amount
and you can boost podcast whenever you want. And then
there's a third thing where it's just like a I think you could
tap a button and just send a one time like mega boost. Like a
donate. Like literally a donation a baller boost, a
baller boost Yeah, it's total total baller boost a Lister
because what I had to do the okay so once things outstanding,
I'm addicted to the call that comes out the podcast. So once
things I was I had my slider pegged. And I'm listening and
then and I have my boost button set to 133 because that's not
typical boost. But on that show I was like, man, I really want
to give this guy like 20 bucks right now.
Mm hmm. So you had to boost multiple times?
Yeah, I had to boost like 50 times to get you know to come in
and then I'm like I'm trying to do the math in my head. I'm
like, you know what, what am I gonna boosting now? I
mean, I mean any guy I don't know many guys who can boost 50
times in a row Dave, I'm excited by your your prowess here.
But there's a refractory period. Okay, I
guess I got to recover.
Um, I think that I think that is, you know, you get the, the
the boost regular and then you get the super boost that you can
just customize. Like, because then those three things cover
like every ability to send money to a podcast. Yeah,
I can think Yeah, exactly. And it's so simple.
But even then there's also what Dame Jennifer talked about. She
She posted on no agenda social the other day that she was a
little worried about not be when people send her donations
through PayPal, they have a note. And so she's worried that
she's not gonna be able to tell who sent it.
Well, here's what is so beautiful as I was looking at
the telegram group, actually, that was I forgot to mention,
right, put in my show notes. One of the beautiful things that
came out of that meeting is all of a sudden, everyone's talking
and it's like, okay, we need to, we need to spec for this, we
need a definition for the memo field and how we're going to do
that. And everyone was like, it was like, Whoa, shit, look at
that. It's like the cats. I'll just went together. And I saw in
the telegram group, you know, there's Oh, yeah, we're doing
this and this structure. And it's a little, you know, it's,
it's, I'm sure it's JSON. But it is. So he goes a little bit
above me, but I can see that I call man, look at this. We're
creating a spec for the memo field, for sending the satoshis
at. Yeah, I love that. I also had a lot of fun with Martin. I
helped him set up his node. Okay. And in Thunder hub,
there's a chat. And so if you have a channel or if you're
appeared with a with another node, then you can chat back and
forth. And to see Martin's amazement, because he said,
Because first I funded his node, you know, like, dude, I'll just
send you 303,333 SATs boom, sent him that so his node was funded.
And then I sent him a chat and he said, Hey, it just went to
3334. I said, you have replied to me, boom. Oh. So we're
sending this one Satoshi back and forth with a chat message.
And I think when you see that happen all sudden, like, oh, the
world? Yeah, like that's your distributed chat. That's your
boost record. So people can you know, so you can not only boost
someone have a note show up for the for the podcaster. But also
have it appear maybe in other apps like oh my god, Dave just
did a baller boost. In McHugh. Imagine how cool that would be
if you can, if that's what's missing from everything. The
reason why YouTube works and clubhouse and all this other
stuff, is because the community comes together, at the same time
in the same place, in essence, what Sphinx Chad is doing, but
they put the chat upfront, which I think has a different
experience. Whereas with a podcast app, putting that
communication feature into it that'll work across app
regardless of who it is fun, man that can't then we're
unstoppable, unstoppable. This is this is the number one
request mo has for me. He says I don't know exactly what you're
doing in this podcasting to put on it is I'm giving you a
message from the street. And because he's a super YouTuber,
he understands that, that that whole vibe, the whole culture of
YouTubing, and it's the chat, the chat, the chat, the chat.
And then the next thing he says to me, he said to me months ago,
clubhouse, this is the shit. And and I realize what it is, it's
really, that everyone can participate in that really only
works if you're on the same platform, slash app, whatever.
And then he also mentioned to me library, and that was getting a
lot of uptake. Because library is paying content producers, for
the number of people that watch their content. Now you have now
as I explained to him, okay, these are grants, these are
coming from x i think PayPal guys, they want their library
token or whatever it is to be the the main mechanism for this,
I recommend against it. I don't know enough about it. But
whenever you have something that's a little fuzzy, and
there's something that's being used in the middle, maybe
completely open for all I know, but I just asked
is doing that to you, right?
It's just doing the same thing, of course, and it's gonna be sad
when either you're cut out of the deal or you get the deal,
you start making money and then they cut you out because you
took the wrong way, you know, so that that that is just a non
starter for me. But the overall message was you create something
like that. And there's not I mean, think about it, YouTube
couldn't compete. couldn't compete with it. Well,
we talked about this, I talked about this with john cigi on the
on the podcast. I
can't wait until this Heart drops.
And maybe I'm overselling it hear me like, no, but we thought
we talked about I think it's towards the end of the show is
kind of like, Well, you know, I was just talking about how, what
I consider to be success for this whole endeavor. And, and,
and I don't think I may not have articulated it very well. But
what, what I, I've had chance to think about it. And I think the
way I would define success with with the value for value stuff
is that I can imagine, let's just say a Rails put an
arbitrary time on it, let's just say one year from now, I can
imagine that there are maybe 200 podcasters, running their own
lightning nodes, including john jG including you, including, you
know, including max Kaiser, or either
way, they're on boarded. They're already receiving SATs, they've
got their voltage, no, they are flipping out, they can't wait to
promote any new app that makes this possible.
Nice. Okay, so let's just say you have 200 podcasters that
each have a, a big lightning node. And over, you know, at
that point, what you have is a fully funded payment network for
podcasting. And then you can start to lay your own stuff on
top of that, like yours. Thanks for chat relays, your your media
distribution. Yeah. Even even that maybe the feeds themselves,
or at least like ipfs lately, well, that, you
know, that's what spinx is doing is they're working on it, as
they call it, the meme, an expansion of the meme server or
the media server, but they were they were thinking of this as
well. Yeah. And they lead on that I mean, the Sphinx chat
stuff, and it's it comes bundled. Now with the recipe
Blitz, I haven't really had time to dive into it, I figured the
next time I upgrade, then I'll maybe dive into it. But this
stuff is out there.
At that point, I think that once you hit critical, some sort of
critical mass point like that, I really think it's going to be
important for the for the podcast hosts to get on board.
Yeah. Because Because then because they are the tools that
everyone uses. You know, we talked about this a couple of
times recently that the podcast, you know, the podcast hosts,
it's really, I mean, yes, they provide discounted bandwidth.
But the the real big value of a host is in the incredibly easy
tools that they have. You got the author? Sure, yeah, the
authoring. So like now, let's just say you had a few 100,
lightning nodes out there, and you're meeting people getting
paid and all this kind of stuff happening. And it's a robust
system, within, as long as the hosts get on board. And they put
they build a node, they build a build a big node, they can bring
those tools to the decentralized part. Yeah. And everybody can
have the same tools are familiar with. And then it doesn't matter
what the distribution mechanism is. And the beautiful part about
it is this world of lightning makes everything costs something
free is over. And even though a chat message costs one Satoshi
it costs me one Satoshi. And there's a huge psychological
difference to that. 100% agree.
And it really removes the whole moderation issue. I mean, it
does so much goodness, with all the possibilities. And once
you've seen it, and once you start to figure it out what you
can do with digital money. I wake up at 230 in the morning,
sometimes and I have to write it down like Oh, crap, look what we
can do with this. Unbelievable.
Unbelievable. Well, I
don't think some people I know, we need to thank some people.
This is a very important part of our value for value model. This
is the entire project runs free open source software value for
value, lots of acronyms, FOS s, V four, V,
and MLM. Yes,
no MLM. And the idea is, we create value with what we've
started here, people come on board contribute value. We
really look for three things, three things time, talent, and
treasure. Well, we got tons of time and talents that people are
contributing, I'm sure everybody wish they would have more time
to contribute. And, and treasure is, is necessary to keep the
machines running. And we see a lot of people getting value out
of the project, who may not be able to help specifically in
those ways, but they love helping out the project and it
keeps it all running and it keeps us open and honest. No
commercial money, no corporate money, no venture money, little
bit of our own money and we just spun up the tournament and it's
rolling along. And if you want to support you can go to podcast
index.org. Scroll down to the bottom, there's a QR code if you
want to send us some lightning payment, and there's also A a
big red Donate button to send us some some cookbooks through
through the PayPal. Who said I think it was? I don't know. I
think it was Marty. I think I got it from Marty tails.
cookbooks. I love it. cookbook. So who do we thank you for for
this week. Dave?
Speaking of tantallon treasure, we got Kevin Bay. He says he
gave us 100 bucks. Wow. Yeah. And he says, gentlemen, I don't
know if I'll ever develop enough talent or have enough time, so I
thought I'd better throw in some treasure.
Yes. That's exactly how you can help. Thank you, man. It's very
appreciated.
I think what you're doing has the potential to D platform, the
major media and social media platforms. Should you get the
payment stream to flow? Well,
I just they're also all welcome here. Yeah, they can come to you
and they can come to us.
I just want to be some small part of this effort. Go
podcasting? Yeah. Thank you, Kevin. That was generous, man.
Let's see. Craig O'Donnell. Give us 4999 I'm not sure what the
throw in a penny I guess.
Oh, shoot.
He says thank you guys. Craig O'Donnell.
Let me see. Do I have a penny? No, I don't have a cent maybe.
It's weird. It's the I don't have the no agenda. donation.
Okay, job and but good. Reason. Three, the next one, and I'll
bring it in. I'll make it actually I can make it happen
right now. Here we go. Yeah,
he got dig all the way to the bottom. Yeah, I
gotta dig in the bottom of the pocket. And
there you go. 50 bucks. There it is. 50, Craig. Thank you, Craig.
We appreciate that. Oh, here we go. Benjamin Bellamy. cast a
pod. Again, thank you guys for what you're doing seeing all
these person tags and location tags everywhere. This is so
cool. In it, and there are still so many things to build exciting
times. Ah, what about podcast index version on ipfs? Have you
ever thought about it? Yes. Yeah.
You better believe it? Well, you heard today. Yes. Yes. That's
fantastic. I love I love it when people have similar ideas. So
yes, is a decentralized index caster pod is about to get
connected to activity pub so that podcasters can take control
back from closed social networks. Good luck with that,
man. Perfect. Well, I'm
looking forward to using it.
And he gave us rs 45 saona. 4571. I'm sorry.
I dropped some more coin here.
Lucky you been 4570 Thank you, man. I'll see up 3333
got to know that
magic number. And it's from our buddy drips got a loyal ponemah
listener. Oh,
promo. podcasting 2.0 no agenda and mo facts yet. And he does
the chapters for all of them.
Hey, Jeff Scott is a national treasure.
He is a national trend, you know what he's also besides the fact
that he broke and found all kinds of bugs and hyper capture,
which is what you have what happens when you have someone
using something and you know, full time production. But he's,
he's come up with other interesting questions. You know,
he asked me that day. Hey, how was this came up on podcast
index social today? How is? You know, is it okay for me to just
link these images from no agenda art generator? So that's a good
question. I hadn't even thought about it, because that's where
he's getting them from.
That'll put a lot of load on that. Right. I put a lot of load
on that server. Yeah,
mine. I mean, I've reached out to Paul, who runs it, and he'll
let me know. And otherwise, you know, that'll be another piece
of authoring that has to be done to make that simple for for
uploads. But regardless, drab is a Yeah, as you say, is a
national treasure. He is a huge contributor to podcasting. 2.0
and I, the way I feel is because of the constant chapters that
all of my shows include. I think that influenced Cridland i think
i think James Cridland started to do chapters in in pod news
dotnet because you know, I was beating his ass. And it's cool
and now when I see you know, I smile, man. When I bring up
although I only see it briefly because I'll start playing it on
pod friend like Oh, no. And I switch over to speak so that I
can like a stream and you pay it Yeah, of course and any any
podcast that I can pay. I'm jumping on board right away.
Jessica says supporting just supporting the work Keep up the
great work.
Thank you dread you are doing great work
last night Um, I have a feeling that my connection is really bad
right now.
That's okay. And you smile. You sound good.
Okay. All right, says, let's say this is from Alex Campbell. And
it's $5. He says, Thank you for your courage.
Oh, thank you, Alex. Alex very much.
Appreciate that. And that's good Greek fans.
Beautiful group handsome group. Fine people, just beautiful
people. No, no, don't say a Dave don't Oh,
hell is
gonna break loose and you're gonna need a Bitcoin. Just like,
Yeah. Just let me know where we stand. Good week. Good week, I
would say fantastic week, man. Congratulations on everything
that has happened so far. You know what you were saying about
success? Now I got 10 years on you, I think in a, but this is
success. This, this part to me is success. I mean, we've we've
started something, we've sparked something, it may be very
different in two years from now, who knows? What will be used?
Who will be using it? You know, will the index be? Will there be
a competing index? It doesn't matter. I'm excited about all of
this. This to me is the success. Really? Yeah. And then when I
see as a as a podcaster, I see I get two bucks a day in my
wallet. And I think, Wow, wow, this is going to be game
changing for people. Game Changing.
That's too but that two bucks represents a completely new wet
platform that never existed before.
And is real money.
Yeah, two bucks a day. But it's, it's so but it's, it's brand
new. I mean, it's like if no one's using it.
How many people are using it? 15? Maybe 20?
Yeah, maybe they have that?
Maybe a few more. But no, it's almost nothing. And there's a
lot of testing but it the boosts are real people are boosting
because they mean it. Yeah. And that's what's really cranking
that up. So you see that coming in like wow,
it's fun. It's getting fun. It really is.
Alright, so anything else? You have any anything left for the I
know, you got some other clips here? I don't know if there's an
okay, we have no, I have all these men. I got all these.
We didn't know that for like I've been carrying that thing
forward.
And then look, and if we want to include the fact that Who is
this society, maybe I'll lead up to the who presses
that they that will lead is sold the mountain for Christmas cheer
becomes?
What's the word? Now? A quick word from our sponsors.
Oh, you did that?
I did not. I did not do that. You know, Dan, Daniel J. Lewis
did that he sent me that clip. That's hilarious. Yeah, the
guy's trying to think he's like, oh, what's the word? What's the
word boom, dynamic.
What's interesting about the dynamic ad insertion is it's
fucking everything up. And I'll give you a few examples. One
chapters. Forget it fucked up, too. On more than one occasion,
I have fired up a podcast that I wanted to listen to and it was
struggle to start, he would start then it would stop go back
then the dynamic add happens. They don't have their technology
together yet, as far as I'm concerned, is still is still a
fee, depending on where it's coming from?
Well, a lot of
the ad blockers are screws a lot of things up it just it's not
great.
Yeah, the ad blockers are going to kill that whole thing. It's
going to make it a complete nightmare.
I mean, so I I'm running graphene OS and I got this. Now,
I was looking for a VPN type blocker. And what did I wind up
getting here? I like the guy's story. And he was on F droid. So
I felt good about it personal DNS filter. And the personal DNS
filter has a ton of lists. And these are all open source lists.
And it's interesting to see what's blocked and several
podcast hosts are blocked. So I was having trouble starting a
starting a podcast, which I was using on pod friend. And then I
was like, how is this? Why isn't this just spinning? What's going
on? And I'll see that it was blocked.
Yeah, but it's because of the ad stuff.
It's well, it could be the ad stuff. I think there's also
these open lists, you know, people will report a whole
podcast host and it'll get us sometimes it gets through. Yeah,
exactly. So it's, yeah, there's
there's your feature of add support. podcasting right there.
Yeah,
yeah. How many people have showed up at the index to say,
Hey, I know how we can skip ads. Like Yeah, it's great. But yeah,
I know how we can skip them too. But building lightning.
Yeah, exactly. We'll bring everybody over to the light
side. Yeah. Lightning side. All right, Dave, you got any plans
for the weekend?
Oh, you know, I don't know. I'm not sure what we're gonna do.
It's gonna be a sweet cold here. And I don't know what it is in
that. What they get forecast for Texas next week. But here
supposed to be like ice storms? It was
Yeah, it was 80 degrees yesterday. And now it's 50. And
it's supposed to get a lot colder. I don't think we'll hit
freezing. But
Wow. I was at yesterday was fantastic. Yeah, it's like
summer, man.
I get so messed up. First. I don't know what day it is.
Because I live in Thursdays, Sundays, and Fridays. 9am all
the time. And I really enjoy. And Tina doesn't have a regular
work schedule. So that's I don't have anything that can kind of
guide me. And then the 10th our house, which is a new house, and
it's well insulated. And for the first time in my life, the
temperature is completely controlled, consistent exactly
where you want it to be. And then you go outside and you're
shocked. Like what?
Like, oh my god,
like the animals, birds and dogs and cats running around like
chickens and children are playing.
like chickens. Well, I
just made it up.
No, I got nothing.
Well, it's gonna be another great week to look forward to. I
can't wait. And as always, thank you Dave, for for your courage
and all you do.
Thank you for your courage and,
and thank you to everybody out there who was working on
podcasting. 2.0 can't wait to see you all next week. And we
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