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Podcasting 2.0 for August 29th, 2025, episode

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232, RF Bigot.

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Hello, everybody.

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Welcome once again to the official board meeting

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of Podcasting 2.0. That's right.

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We are an association of sorts.

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We've got no bylaws, no articles of incorporation.

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We don't even know what we're really doing.

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But we do talk about podcasting, what it's

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and will always be.

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We are, in fact, the only boardroom that

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has liquid in our glass.

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I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of

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the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the

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man who eats LLM pot truffle for breakfast.

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Say hello to my friend on the other

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end, the one, the only, Mr. Jay Jones.

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So, yeah, on my way, if people, a

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funny thing happened on my way to Doha.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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I'm on my way to the podcast.

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The, you know, I do this show on

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my lunch break.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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We are aware.

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So I, my, the typical pattern is I

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get home at 1215.

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So I have 15 minutes to get, get

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in the door and get some sort of

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lunch put together and get on the mic.

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Yes.

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And that usually goes off without a hitch

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because I'm, I'm a very habitual person and

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I do the same thing every day.

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Beef milkshake salad, these kinds of things.

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Yes.

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It's the same.

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Yeah.

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Funny.

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Well, funny how you are like that.

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So I put, I put, um, I put

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the beef milkshake together as I usually do

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in the blender bottle or the blender.

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Um, it's like a ninja bullet thing.

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Yeah.

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You know, so you, you put, you flip

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it upside.

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It's like upside down on the blender.

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I'm very familiar with the bullet concept.

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Yes.

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So I put, I put all my ingredients

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in there.

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The beef milkshake is this, the beef milkshake

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is 12 ounces of 2% milk.

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One scoop of equip chocolate beef protein powder,

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grass fed beef protein powder, a scoop of

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pure whey protein isolate, and a scoop of

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creatine.

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Oh, creatine.

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Yeah.

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Creatine.

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Everyone's all giddy about the creatine and three

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ice cubes.

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That is, that has been the, that is

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the recipe for the beef milkshake for many

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years now.

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Now I'm just going to guess either one

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of the elements was not available or you

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forgot one or you put something wrong in

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there.

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Wrong on all counts.

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Okay.

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I will go back in my hovel.

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In order to understand what happened, you have

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to understand that the beef, the, the equip

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beef protein is, it's like, um, it's hydro,

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it's hydrolyzed, which means it's, it's, it's hydrolyzed.

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It's a greasy thing.

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Which means they make it where it is

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water.

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It is liquid soluble, but it's not by

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nature liquid soluble.

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So it would, it has, it has to

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be conditioned, you know?

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And then, so even, even in its hydrolyzed

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state, it's still one, it's still kind of

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resistant.

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It doesn't want to mix.

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Like it, it doesn't want to be, it

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wants to clump more than anything.

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I understand.

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You know how, you know how if you

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just dump, um, like cocoa powder into milk

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or something, it just doesn't want to mix.

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You'll wind up burning your throat when you

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swallow that clump.

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So, um, that's the way this stuff behaves.

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So it just sort of like, before I

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blend it, it just sits on top.

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It just kind of, it's floating on top

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of the milk.

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And so what happens, I, I throw my

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ice cubes in, throw my milk in, throw

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the, the beef protein, protein powder in all

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this first on top of the milk, then

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the, then the whey protein, then the creatine.

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I'm reaching over to get the top to

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put on the thing.

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And as I'm reaching over, I, I hit

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the, the, this, I hit the open blender

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container and beef protein and everywhere.

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It went all over the place.

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The entire thing went all over the counter

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down behind every crevice.

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And so I was like, Oh shit.

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And so I run and grab some towels

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and stuff.

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And I'm starting, I'm trying to get, and

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it's just in the, like, as the milk

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spread out really wide, the, the beef protein

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powder began to sort of like do its

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thing and sink in.

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So by the time I even got to

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be like scrubbing it up and cleaning it

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up, it had formed this really, this like

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pasty chocolate glue glue all over the countertop.

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Yeah, this is very bad.

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It, I just finally had to just leave

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it.

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I got it about halfway cleaned up.

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It is a, I hope my wife does

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not come home midstream of the podcast.

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That's exactly, you want to make sure she

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doesn't come, come home before you have a

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chance to clean it up.

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I had something similar happen.

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We, we got one of those, um, one

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shot, uh, French press deals.

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Are you familiar with this?

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It's like.

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I don't know the one shot.

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What's that?

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Well, it's a plastic tube and, and it

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has a screw, a screw on cap on

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the bottom.

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You put a little filter paper in there,

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you screw it back on, you put your

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coffee in and then you pour your coffee

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in and you, well, you have it on

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top of the mug and then you press

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down on a plunger.

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So, you know, this makes a single shot

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espresso.

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Uh, single French press, single shot of French

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press.

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Okay.

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So, but I had a big, big mug

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and so I'm pouring the hot water in.

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I'm like, you know, um, this is a

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big mug.

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I'm going to pour a little more in.

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So I'm just pouring.

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And it was kind of like a bottomless

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pit because it's obviously going into the cup

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and I'm not, I'm just waiting to pour

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it.

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And then I press the plunger down.

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The cup overflows, fill coffee, grinds, everything goes

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all, all over the counter and into the

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drawer underneath, which of course is Tina's junk.

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We all have a junk drawer and with

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Tina, there's no such thing.

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It's a neatly organized papers, you know, all

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kinds of important documents.

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Oh yeah.

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, and that happened with her standing right

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there.

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So I didn't have a chance to save

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any, there was no saving it.

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You know, the papers are stuck together.

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It's the, it's the worst when you make

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a mess in the kitchen and your wife

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finds out.

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Right now, right now in my kitchen, it

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looks like somebody, it looks like somebody got

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up on the, on the counter and just

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took a dump.

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That is basically just like this big blob

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of, of brown goo.

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So you don't even have a lunch basically.

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No, I'm, I'm, um, I had a nut.

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That's why I couldn't finish cleaning it up.

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Cause I had to hastily make another beef

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milkshake.

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Oh man.

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You know what made me the most angry

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is that the equip beef milkshake, the equip

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beef protein is like super expensive.

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It's like 60 bucks a bag.

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And I was like, man, that's like a

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buck.

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That's like, that's like a dollar and 75

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cents in on my counter.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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No, I'm sorry, bro.

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But I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm getting through.

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I have turkey pepperoni, some nuts and a

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beef milkshake.

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Yes.

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Well, you do seem to have, you're not

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exactly the same guy every single day.

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It seems like you have variety of snacks

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on the show.

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You know, you have different kinds of nuts,

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different kinds of nuts, different nuts, different sandwich,

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right?

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Right now I'm eating the planters duo, peppercorn,

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pistachios and Parmesan cashews.

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Wow.

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My stomach hurts just thinking about it.

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Are you not a nuts guy?

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Oh, I'm a very much a nuts guy,

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but not with all kinds of cheese and

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crap on it.

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Just a nut.

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Give me a nut.

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I love nuts.

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I'd like to fist my nuts.

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I mean, I love, I love nuts.

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I like all different sizes of nuts.

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Yeah.

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I heard that about you.

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Yeah.

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Like the Brazil nuts are too big though.

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Yes.

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I hate it when you can't get the

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nuts in your mouth.

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Wow.

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I know.

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I know it's Friday.

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I've had a good morning.

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I had a good morning.

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Yeah.

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I gotta tell you're in trouble.

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Yeah.

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No, of course.

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I'm always in trouble for something.

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Hey, congratulations to Barry releasing his pod home

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app.

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Got to get him on the show.

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Did you see the pod home app?

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Man, it's, it's a nice looking app.

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I hadn't even had time.

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I'm going to look, I'll download it right

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now.

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Yeah.

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He's really taken full advantage of, uh, uh,

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of the APIs.

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And he has, I don't know how he

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gets trending.

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He may be doing that himself, but he

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put something in called podcast pulse and it's,

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Oh yeah, I did see that.

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Yeah.

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And it's, and it's literally pod ping.

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So you just see boom, boom, boom, boom,

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boom.

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Just new shows flying everywhere.

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It's the talk about a discovery mechanism.

283
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I've always loved that.

284
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I've loved the tiles dot.

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What is it?

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Tiles dot pod ping dot cloud.

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I think.

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Yeah.

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That's watching the aquarium.

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Yeah.

291
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Yeah.

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It's watching the aquarium.

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It's so fun.

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And you can see different days of the

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week.

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I mean, if you do it at midnight,

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you see all the shows that update at

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midnight.

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There's a lot of shows that automatically update

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at midnight and then do it on a

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Sunday morning.

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It's like the whole church world is just

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boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

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Everyone's updating.

305
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It's very much so.

306
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Yes.

307
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Where, okay.

308
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Where, where's the, where's the, it's maybe it's

309
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under discover.

310
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Oh yeah.

311
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Episode episode pulse.

312
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Yeah.

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Is it episode also that was called?

314
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You need a premium membership.

315
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Okay.

316
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I'll pay you money.

317
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You gotta get a premium baby.

318
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You gotta get the premium membership.

319
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Yeah.

320
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Real time.

321
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I'm paying you money real time, Barry.

322
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Yeah.

323
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Yeah.

324
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We need Barry on the show.

325
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We got, we got, we have to again,

326
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ask him how it's possible that he's doing

327
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all this so cheaply.

328
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It's amazing.

329
00:10:47,620 --> 00:10:49,180
Wait, it says I'm a premium member.

330
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How can I be a premium member?

331
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If I've never, you're the pod Sage.

332
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Of course you're the pod stage by definition

333
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is premium.

334
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You are premium baby.

335
00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:59,080
It doesn't know.

336
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I may have just found a bug.

337
00:11:01,300 --> 00:11:03,220
No, I think he already set us up

338
00:11:03,220 --> 00:11:03,760
for premium.

339
00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:05,120
Did you use your email address?

340
00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:06,920
No.

341
00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:07,900
Hmm.

342
00:11:08,260 --> 00:11:10,300
He, well, he's probably in the room next

343
00:11:10,300 --> 00:11:13,900
door knowing Barry, he could be there.

344
00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,220
It's a, it's a, I like the pulse.

345
00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,940
I don't want, if, if this was some,

346
00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,580
if some Barry, if you did this somehow,

347
00:11:21,580 --> 00:11:22,740
I do not want your charity.

348
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I want to pay you money.

349
00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,260
So I, by definition, I pay for all

350
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the podcast apps that I use.

351
00:11:28,660 --> 00:11:32,280
I actually used for the first time, uh,

352
00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,820
you know, podcast guru updated and then now

353
00:11:35,820 --> 00:11:37,660
you can connect your strike wallet.

354
00:11:38,260 --> 00:11:40,700
That was a very enjoyable experience.

355
00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:42,200
Oh yeah.

356
00:11:42,220 --> 00:11:43,820
You just, you just tap on it and

357
00:11:43,820 --> 00:11:45,080
then it takes you to an, I guess

358
00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,120
an OAuth login and you type in your,

359
00:11:48,300 --> 00:11:52,360
you know, your, uh, your strike.me credentials.

360
00:11:52,980 --> 00:11:53,420
Yeah.

361
00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,840
Um, actually, you know, the, uh, you type

362
00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,720
in your email address, they send you, an

363
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email to verify, which is always nice.

364
00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,080
Um, and then boom, it's done.

365
00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,580
And, um, so I boosted this week in

366
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Bitcoin with a boost, sent a boost to

367
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Graham to see if he sees that because

368
00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:13,700
of course, you know, the metadata thing is

369
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all over the map.

370
00:12:15,260 --> 00:12:18,880
Um, so we'll see, uh, but I'll find

371
00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,780
out next week if he got my boost

372
00:12:21,780 --> 00:12:25,320
and this is a, and I boosted him

373
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an extra 10,000 sats as a penalty

374
00:12:27,540 --> 00:12:32,580
boost for using the term pod on, on

375
00:12:32,580 --> 00:12:33,340
this week in Bitcoin.

376
00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:33,860
Yes.

377
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Yes.

378
00:12:34,420 --> 00:12:35,380
A huge violation.

379
00:12:35,700 --> 00:12:37,000
Huge violation.

380
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Chris ought to know better.

381
00:12:38,820 --> 00:12:39,900
That's just unacceptable.

382
00:12:40,900 --> 00:12:41,420
Yes.

383
00:12:41,660 --> 00:12:42,460
It's unacceptable.

384
00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:43,240
I tell you.

385
00:12:44,300 --> 00:12:44,820
Yeah.

386
00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,180
But you know, just on hosting for a

387
00:12:47,180 --> 00:12:49,280
moment, you know, there's been a lot of

388
00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,240
talk in the podcast industrial complex about Riverside

389
00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,980
now offering hosting and I'm, I'm just smiling

390
00:12:55,980 --> 00:12:56,500
at this.

391
00:12:56,560 --> 00:12:59,240
I'm just laughing because you and I both

392
00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:00,360
know what's going to happen.

393
00:13:01,100 --> 00:13:04,140
I don't think Riverside understands what hosting is.

394
00:13:04,680 --> 00:13:04,980
Yeah.

395
00:13:05,020 --> 00:13:07,180
You can have an interface to upload and

396
00:13:07,180 --> 00:13:09,360
you know, yeah, you can, you can generate

397
00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,200
an RSS feed, but the two things of

398
00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,780
hosting are number one stats stats.

399
00:13:16,020 --> 00:13:16,940
Number one is stats.

400
00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,380
You're going to have those stats, baby.

401
00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:19,680
If you don't have stats, if you don't,

402
00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:21,380
you can't just have a couple of a

403
00:13:21,380 --> 00:13:22,120
pie charts.

404
00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:23,520
No, no, no, no.

405
00:13:23,580 --> 00:13:25,440
You got to have all these incredibly detailed

406
00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,140
stats that ultimately mean absolutely nothing.

407
00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:31,240
Everyone's got to have that that's buried to

408
00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:31,520
entry.

409
00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,720
And then you need customer support.

410
00:13:34,460 --> 00:13:36,440
If you don't have customer support, you're not

411
00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:37,620
going to retain customers.

412
00:13:38,260 --> 00:13:40,420
Customer support will blow you up.

413
00:13:40,560 --> 00:13:40,760
Yep.

414
00:13:41,060 --> 00:13:41,480
It is.

415
00:13:41,560 --> 00:13:44,480
It is the, the biggest thing because no,

416
00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:45,020
yeah.

417
00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,620
How many, how many percentage of podcast hosting

418
00:13:48,620 --> 00:13:52,160
company customers know what they're doing?

419
00:13:52,460 --> 00:13:53,460
Actually know what they're doing.

420
00:13:53,580 --> 00:13:55,420
I mean, it's gotta be less than 50%.

421
00:13:55,420 --> 00:13:55,680
Yeah.

422
00:13:55,680 --> 00:13:56,440
I think it's low.

423
00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,360
I know that I think rss.com, I

424
00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,900
think they have 20 people, you know, not

425
00:14:00,900 --> 00:14:02,580
all full-time, but they have 20 people

426
00:14:02,580 --> 00:14:05,200
around the world to keep a, a constant,

427
00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,740
you know, a, a constant manned station.

428
00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,800
But yeah, that's, that's what it is.

429
00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:15,500
That's what people are really paying for.

430
00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,980
And I'm sure Barry is, you know, Barry

431
00:14:17,980 --> 00:14:20,300
has a lot of stuff, AI generated automatic.

432
00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,500
And so, you know, you just kind of

433
00:14:22,500 --> 00:14:24,660
throw your file up there and then it

434
00:14:24,660 --> 00:14:28,820
spits out something generates even art and all

435
00:14:28,820 --> 00:14:29,760
the stuff you would want.

436
00:14:30,460 --> 00:14:32,700
So he may have less of that, but

437
00:14:32,700 --> 00:14:33,840
I know he's very hands-on.

438
00:14:33,980 --> 00:14:34,160
I do.

439
00:14:34,300 --> 00:14:36,960
I think he's also, he's somehow independently wealthy.

440
00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:41,720
That always helps.

441
00:14:42,020 --> 00:14:43,820
He has something, I think he did like

442
00:14:43,820 --> 00:14:46,180
some online courses that are just making him

443
00:14:46,180 --> 00:14:46,440
money.

444
00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,680
Like a, like a Fleetwood Mac album, you

445
00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,040
know, it just keeps on generating cash forever.

446
00:14:51,380 --> 00:14:51,780
Yeah.

447
00:14:51,900 --> 00:14:53,180
You just have, all you have, all you

448
00:14:53,180 --> 00:14:55,780
need is one rumors and then everything else

449
00:14:55,780 --> 00:14:59,200
is gold after that or tapestry.

450
00:14:59,500 --> 00:15:00,560
Oh yeah, exactly.

451
00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:01,580
That's all you need.

452
00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:03,920
So we had a really great day this

453
00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,460
morning and I'm saying this for a reason

454
00:15:06,460 --> 00:15:09,860
because I think Apple is listening and they're

455
00:15:09,860 --> 00:15:10,580
moving closer.

456
00:15:10,740 --> 00:15:13,780
You know, there's this whole conversation about how

457
00:15:13,780 --> 00:15:16,580
they are now incorporating tune in like some

458
00:15:16,580 --> 00:15:19,000
arms length tune in partnership.

459
00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:20,740
Yeah.

460
00:15:21,260 --> 00:15:22,700
I heard, I heard him talking about on

461
00:15:22,700 --> 00:15:23,640
power about it.

462
00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:24,260
Yeah.

463
00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,160
And when I was at podcast movement, uh,

464
00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,360
Teddy H, he came up to me and

465
00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,120
he said, Teddy H man, Teddy H.

466
00:15:31,220 --> 00:15:32,860
He said, you know, I listened to your

467
00:15:32,860 --> 00:15:35,200
hello Fred station in, uh, in Apple music.

468
00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:35,840
I said, what?

469
00:15:35,980 --> 00:15:37,220
He says, oh yeah, no, but if it's

470
00:15:37,220 --> 00:15:37,920
like, Whoa.

471
00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:38,260
Yeah.

472
00:15:38,300 --> 00:15:38,960
Does that work?

473
00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:39,260
Yeah.

474
00:15:39,340 --> 00:15:42,220
If it's tune in now it's available on

475
00:15:42,220 --> 00:15:42,860
Apple music.

476
00:15:42,860 --> 00:15:45,160
So a couple of things I'm thinking here.

477
00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:49,280
One, that's an acquisition target for them because

478
00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,460
tune in has a, they have a business

479
00:15:51,460 --> 00:15:51,940
model.

480
00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,500
It, I mean, I think they're a dead

481
00:15:54,500 --> 00:15:57,700
company, but they are a money machine because

482
00:15:57,700 --> 00:16:00,440
in order to get my hello Fred station

483
00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,680
on tune in, which makes it available in

484
00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:07,600
Sonos and, um, smart speakers, it costs 65

485
00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,400
bucks a month and it is very expensive.

486
00:16:11,820 --> 00:16:13,600
Tell me I'm wrong, but it seems like

487
00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:18,700
tune in has great cashflow, but probably a

488
00:16:18,700 --> 00:16:19,340
ton of debt.

489
00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,160
Well, that's a good question.

490
00:16:22,420 --> 00:16:22,700
Yes.

491
00:16:22,780 --> 00:16:23,600
I think you're right.

492
00:16:24,460 --> 00:16:25,960
Um, let's take a look.

493
00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:27,940
Uh, tune in.

494
00:16:28,020 --> 00:16:31,020
What was the, it's, um, who tracks that?

495
00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:32,240
Uh, what's that?

496
00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:33,780
What's that tech website?

497
00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:36,080
Crunch.

498
00:16:36,540 --> 00:16:36,820
Yes.

499
00:16:36,900 --> 00:16:37,460
Tech crunch.

500
00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:38,440
Thank you.

501
00:16:39,100 --> 00:16:39,960
Let's take a look.

502
00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:41,700
Tune in tech crunch.

503
00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:43,280
They always, yeah, here we go.

504
00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:48,020
Uh, uh, tech crunch.

505
00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,620
Let me see.

506
00:16:50,820 --> 00:16:55,000
They usually have a page for that.

507
00:16:56,220 --> 00:16:58,180
Uh, let me see.

508
00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:04,440
Tech crunch tune in investments.

509
00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:06,579
I thought there was tech crunch that did

510
00:17:06,579 --> 00:17:06,859
that.

511
00:17:06,859 --> 00:17:07,180
Yeah.

512
00:17:07,300 --> 00:17:07,780
Here we go.

513
00:17:08,859 --> 00:17:10,380
So let's see.

514
00:17:10,839 --> 00:17:14,020
$25 million round, but that one was that

515
00:17:14,020 --> 00:17:15,099
that's a while ago.

516
00:17:15,460 --> 00:17:15,780
I don't know.

517
00:17:15,819 --> 00:17:16,000
Wait.

518
00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:18,780
Ooh, no, that's 2013.

519
00:17:20,099 --> 00:17:21,800
So they have, they have a lot of

520
00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,660
these as an article from December of last

521
00:17:23,660 --> 00:17:25,500
year saying that they've never made a profit.

522
00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,380
Well, I think there were just people heavy,

523
00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,300
you know, cause they're, it's like one of

524
00:17:32,300 --> 00:17:34,080
these companies where it's really, it's a really

525
00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:35,080
simple business.

526
00:17:35,580 --> 00:17:38,200
It's a really good one to just maintain

527
00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,860
a database of all the live radio stations.

528
00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,280
You know, they got sidetracked and they built

529
00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,560
a whole podcasting wing and then they, they

530
00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:46,840
got rid of that.

531
00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:48,520
Let me see.

532
00:17:49,580 --> 00:17:50,780
Oh, crunch base.

533
00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:51,540
That's what it is.

534
00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:51,920
Hold on.

535
00:17:51,980 --> 00:17:52,480
Oh, yeah.

536
00:17:53,140 --> 00:17:53,580
Yeah.

537
00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:56,460
That's what I'm looking for.

538
00:17:56,620 --> 00:17:57,480
Valley investor.

539
00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:58,280
Here we go.

540
00:17:58,480 --> 00:17:58,680
Okay.

541
00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,500
Uh, cloud flare, however, does, does have to

542
00:18:01,500 --> 00:18:03,960
verify my session to make sure I'm not

543
00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:04,960
some kind of scammer.

544
00:18:05,020 --> 00:18:05,300
Okay.

545
00:18:05,340 --> 00:18:05,920
Let's see.

546
00:18:06,980 --> 00:18:07,740
Let's see.

547
00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:15,080
When did they get, they've changed the interface

548
00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:16,360
to make it completely.

549
00:18:17,860 --> 00:18:18,340
Okay.

550
00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:19,980
So now if you don't pay for tech

551
00:18:19,980 --> 00:18:23,320
crunch, you can't see, but they've had one,

552
00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,920
two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,

553
00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,020
10 rounds of investment.

554
00:18:29,740 --> 00:18:31,380
The last one that tech crunch or the

555
00:18:31,380 --> 00:18:34,720
crunch base has a 12 actually is November

556
00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,760
23rd, 2020, but I can't see the amount

557
00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:38,700
of money raised.

558
00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,420
Well, I can join crunch base for free.

559
00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:40,880
Hold on.

560
00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:42,080
Whoa, baby.

561
00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:47,460
Oh, crunch base can now access everything on

562
00:18:47,460 --> 00:18:48,240
my Google account.

563
00:18:48,300 --> 00:18:48,740
Yay.

564
00:18:49,260 --> 00:18:50,980
Continue, continue, continue.

565
00:18:51,300 --> 00:18:51,980
Let me see.

566
00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:52,760
What do I have?

567
00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:53,260
Okay.

568
00:18:53,940 --> 00:18:54,580
All right.

569
00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:55,080
Next.

570
00:18:55,380 --> 00:18:55,820
Okay.

571
00:18:56,020 --> 00:18:57,600
Sales prospecting.

572
00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:58,060
Okay.

573
00:18:58,140 --> 00:18:59,360
I don't want to try it out.

574
00:19:00,120 --> 00:19:03,280
This sounds like my guess is that they

575
00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:04,920
have, here we go.

576
00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:05,840
What is it?

577
00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,340
They've, they've raised a lot of money, have

578
00:19:08,340 --> 00:19:09,200
a lot of debt.

579
00:19:09,580 --> 00:19:09,860
Okay.

580
00:19:09,860 --> 00:19:10,600
Listen to this.

581
00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:11,260
Listen to this.

582
00:19:11,380 --> 00:19:11,480
Okay.

583
00:19:12,260 --> 00:19:15,460
Going back to 2006 series a that's 1

584
00:19:15,460 --> 00:19:16,180
.4 million.

585
00:19:16,260 --> 00:19:17,040
That's just a starter.

586
00:19:17,500 --> 00:19:20,020
Then they made a mistake and did a

587
00:19:20,020 --> 00:19:24,400
venture round at 1.6. That really hurts

588
00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:25,280
your market cap.

589
00:19:25,380 --> 00:19:28,300
So then in 2009, they did another series

590
00:19:28,300 --> 00:19:31,980
a at 500, then a series B for

591
00:19:31,980 --> 00:19:34,840
852 million.

592
00:19:35,660 --> 00:19:38,000
No, 852,000.

593
00:19:38,100 --> 00:19:38,360
Sorry.

594
00:19:38,740 --> 00:19:40,960
Then a series C for 6 million, a

595
00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,100
series D for 16 million, another venture round

596
00:19:44,100 --> 00:19:44,820
for 25.

597
00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,600
Then in 2015, they raised 50 million, a

598
00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,100
series F, then a series G for 43

599
00:19:51,100 --> 00:19:51,660
million.

600
00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:56,400
And then undisclosed, undisclosed amount of money in

601
00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:57,260
2020.

602
00:19:58,420 --> 00:20:00,780
So equity is so spread out.

603
00:20:00,860 --> 00:20:02,760
Nobody, nobody's going to make any money.

604
00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,800
And they have another, another round schedule.

605
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,880
So their cap table is totally screwed.

606
00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,300
So total funding, 146.6 million.

607
00:20:12,900 --> 00:20:15,480
That's what James's article here says.

608
00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,820
LinkedIn is littered with, it says LinkedIn is

609
00:20:17,820 --> 00:20:20,320
littered with evidence of senior employees having left

610
00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:20,880
tune in.

611
00:20:21,020 --> 00:20:23,920
That's probably wise because their equity got so

612
00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,200
diluted that it's just completely worthless.

613
00:20:26,580 --> 00:20:27,860
And so why stay around?

614
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:29,780
So they had the right idea, but they

615
00:20:29,780 --> 00:20:31,500
totally screwed it up, which is too bad

616
00:20:31,500 --> 00:20:33,820
because anyway, so back to the Apple thing.

617
00:20:35,060 --> 00:20:38,680
So now, unfortunately, so there's good and bad

618
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:38,860
news.

619
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,680
The good news is Apple is seeing the

620
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,000
value in having online radio stations.

621
00:20:43,100 --> 00:20:44,960
The bad news is they're putting it into

622
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,120
Apple music, which I'm sure is some kind

623
00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:51,800
of different silo from podcasts.

624
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,640
And the reason I say this is today

625
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:57,200
we had another great meeting, sold another Godcaster

626
00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,800
to another church who understands, Hey, we can

627
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,540
be the radio station, the digital station in

628
00:21:04,540 --> 00:21:05,780
our local market.

629
00:21:05,900 --> 00:21:07,380
In this case, it's Franklin, Tennessee.

630
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,340
And what we've put together with Godcaster is

631
00:21:12,340 --> 00:21:15,600
this combination of live streams, which could be

632
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,360
a live music stream, you know, any kind

633
00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:19,400
of live stream and on demand.

634
00:21:19,580 --> 00:21:22,140
And then we have the patent-pended technology

635
00:21:22,140 --> 00:21:24,940
of channel streams, which creates a live stream

636
00:21:24,940 --> 00:21:26,800
out of all the podcasts you have in

637
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,160
a certain player.

638
00:21:29,420 --> 00:21:33,560
And the cool thing is that we automatically

639
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,360
generate an RSS feed that has the lit

640
00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:38,320
tag in it.

641
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,920
And this pastor, Darren, he's like, Oh, wow.

642
00:21:44,020 --> 00:21:45,060
He says, this is really cool.

643
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,280
So now I'm a station, I'm a publisher

644
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,540
in podcast apps.

645
00:21:51,820 --> 00:21:53,900
And so of course Apple doesn't show the

646
00:21:53,900 --> 00:21:57,120
lit tag, but man, think of the opportunity

647
00:21:57,120 --> 00:21:59,600
here for Apple and even Spotify.

648
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:00,380
They're not listening.

649
00:22:00,500 --> 00:22:04,300
Apple listens where they can be an outlet

650
00:22:04,300 --> 00:22:07,300
for digital stations that include on demand.

651
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,760
So the podcast, as well as the live

652
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,860
stream through the lit tag, this is redefining

653
00:22:13,860 --> 00:22:16,680
radio and it's redefining it in a way

654
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,400
that a whole different category of players, of

655
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,740
entities can come into the space and become

656
00:22:24,740 --> 00:22:27,080
a modern radio station where you have the

657
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,180
serendipity of listening.

658
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,020
And of course, the way we have it

659
00:22:30,020 --> 00:22:31,900
in the Godcaster app, when you're listening to

660
00:22:31,900 --> 00:22:35,640
something, it shows that we have a cookie

661
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,740
trail back to what you're listening to.

662
00:22:39,260 --> 00:22:41,760
So if you're listening to, I have a

663
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,940
station, Adam's favorite podcast, and you're listening, if

664
00:22:44,940 --> 00:22:47,120
you hear podcasting 2.0, it says view

665
00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:48,720
this station so you can see all the

666
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,140
other programs I have available in my station

667
00:22:51,140 --> 00:22:53,340
or view this program takes you right back

668
00:22:53,340 --> 00:22:58,480
to podcasting 2.0. This is something really

669
00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:59,620
different for radio.

670
00:22:59,780 --> 00:23:01,260
And I'm not going to say we designed

671
00:23:01,260 --> 00:23:01,580
this.

672
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,380
This was vibe coding all the way amongst

673
00:23:05,380 --> 00:23:07,440
a couple of dudes just like, yeah, I

674
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:08,120
think I'll do this.

675
00:23:09,500 --> 00:23:14,440
This is what radio needs to evolve into.

676
00:23:14,740 --> 00:23:15,060
Yes.

677
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:17,740
At the local level.

678
00:23:18,140 --> 00:23:21,300
At the local level, it's dynamite.

679
00:23:21,900 --> 00:23:22,000
Yeah.

680
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,320
When you bring the lit tag in, I

681
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,560
wrote that blog post about a month ago

682
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:29,940
or so.

683
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,220
As you begin to support the new tags,

684
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,680
you begin to blur the lines between live

685
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,520
and on demand because it all just becomes

686
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,880
sort of one thing in the app.

687
00:23:50,380 --> 00:23:54,840
You're flipping back and forth between, I'm live

688
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,580
now and now I'm listening to an on

689
00:23:57,580 --> 00:23:58,380
demand episode.

690
00:23:58,380 --> 00:24:01,920
And so you're like, there's no longer this

691
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:06,180
sort of stark distinction between the two experiences

692
00:24:06,180 --> 00:24:10,960
that you get when you have like the

693
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,660
way it's mostly been done when you have

694
00:24:14,660 --> 00:24:17,800
to go, when radio stations just chop up

695
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:22,160
their stream and stick and create separate podcasts.

696
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,740
Now you're going to have to go, I've

697
00:24:24,740 --> 00:24:27,920
got to go to this station's website and

698
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,320
listen to the live stream and hit the

699
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:30,940
listen live button.

700
00:24:31,780 --> 00:24:33,560
But if I want to hear a past

701
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,600
episode of something, I've got to go find

702
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,460
their app on an app store and download

703
00:24:38,460 --> 00:24:38,960
that.

704
00:24:39,460 --> 00:24:43,160
It's like they're two completely different experiences, but

705
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,140
with the live item tag, they don't have

706
00:24:46,140 --> 00:24:46,520
to be.

707
00:24:46,940 --> 00:24:50,940
It can all be in a podcast app.

708
00:24:50,940 --> 00:24:54,240
And so, and so again, the good news

709
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,220
is Apple is seeing the value of live

710
00:24:57,220 --> 00:24:59,560
streams, but they're putting it in the wrong

711
00:24:59,560 --> 00:24:59,880
app.

712
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,000
It needs to go into the podcasting app.

713
00:25:03,500 --> 00:25:05,920
And Apple, they will support, they are going

714
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,180
to put it in the podcast app.

715
00:25:07,300 --> 00:25:08,200
I sure hope so.

716
00:25:08,380 --> 00:25:12,280
I would be, if it's not, if they

717
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,980
don't have live, if Apple doesn't have live

718
00:25:14,980 --> 00:25:18,460
item tag support in the main Apple podcast

719
00:25:18,460 --> 00:25:22,360
app within two years, I will be stunned.

720
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:23,460
Two years.

721
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:24,340
Yeah.

722
00:25:24,620 --> 00:25:25,260
All right.

723
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:25,900
Mark it down.

724
00:25:25,980 --> 00:25:27,180
Put it in the red book, everybody.

725
00:25:27,300 --> 00:25:28,860
Two years, two years.

726
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,420
I mean, I just, I bet you Teddy

727
00:25:33,420 --> 00:25:37,480
H has, has a prototype already, already rocked.

728
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:38,020
Teddy H.

729
00:25:40,860 --> 00:25:43,620
The mystery man, Teddy H.

730
00:25:43,620 --> 00:25:44,640
Behind that beard.

731
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:45,420
That's right.

732
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,440
There's a lot going on behind that beard,

733
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:47,820
people.

734
00:25:48,340 --> 00:25:48,440
Yeah.

735
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:49,160
I'm with you.

736
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:49,820
I'm with you.

737
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,600
I believe that wholeheartedly that there, I just

738
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:56,680
know it's going to happen.

739
00:25:56,900 --> 00:25:57,500
Now, should we be.

740
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:58,420
It's such a good experience.

741
00:25:58,620 --> 00:26:00,980
Should we be putting publisher, should these be

742
00:26:00,980 --> 00:26:05,340
publisher feeds of these stations that we're creating?

743
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,040
Or am I, am I seeing that wrong?

744
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,320
Doesn't, no, cause it's not their shows, right?

745
00:26:10,980 --> 00:26:11,340
Right.

746
00:26:11,620 --> 00:26:11,920
Yeah.

747
00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:14,080
So it's just an aggregate, but man, it

748
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,100
rocks so hard.

749
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,620
It's like a big aha moment when you

750
00:26:17,620 --> 00:26:18,860
say, oh, and now you, you have a

751
00:26:18,860 --> 00:26:20,620
podcast feed and you show them the feed

752
00:26:20,620 --> 00:26:24,340
and you open it up through, um, um,

753
00:26:24,460 --> 00:26:32,280
the system formerly known as episodes.fm. Now

754
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,220
known as Plink.

755
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:34,840
Plink.

756
00:26:35,820 --> 00:26:36,260
Plink.

757
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:36,620
Yes.

758
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:37,160
Plink.

759
00:26:37,380 --> 00:26:39,600
And I think Plink is actually another product.

760
00:26:40,060 --> 00:26:40,660
And yeah, it is.

761
00:26:40,740 --> 00:26:42,300
And you, and you show them like, oh,

762
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:43,020
here's all the apps.

763
00:26:43,020 --> 00:26:43,520
Like what?

764
00:26:43,820 --> 00:26:44,020
Yeah.

765
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,020
And just click and open.

766
00:26:45,100 --> 00:26:47,520
Now, of course, Apple and Spotify doesn't show

767
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,740
the live, the live stream, but when you

768
00:26:49,740 --> 00:26:52,220
show it to them in a, uh, podcast

769
00:26:52,220 --> 00:26:55,120
guru, podverse, fountain, et cetera, their eyes go

770
00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:55,520
wide.

771
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:56,360
Like, wow.

772
00:26:56,580 --> 00:26:56,940
Okay.

773
00:26:56,940 --> 00:26:57,320
So yeah.

774
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,740
And these episodes, they are, they update automatically.

775
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:00,420
What?

776
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:02,440
Yeah.

777
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:02,880
Yeah.

778
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:03,040
Yeah.

779
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:03,280
Plink.

780
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:04,200
Sorry about that, Nathan.

781
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,080
I didn't mean to besmirch you with a,

782
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,140
with a competitor's name.

783
00:27:07,420 --> 00:27:08,840
The, the church, yeah.

784
00:27:08,860 --> 00:27:10,320
Eric said the church could have a publisher

785
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:10,540
feed.

786
00:27:10,580 --> 00:27:11,220
That's, that's right.

787
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:11,420
Yeah.

788
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:12,920
The church for their content.

789
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,100
And that's where, that's really where it should

790
00:27:15,100 --> 00:27:16,500
be on the publisher dashboard.

791
00:27:16,500 --> 00:27:16,760
Yeah.

792
00:27:16,860 --> 00:27:18,640
That you'd be able to spin those up.

793
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,960
But yeah, I mean, I think that's just

794
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:26,360
like, um, I think, I think I'm re

795
00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:33,400
I'm really encouraged by the momentum that I'm

796
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,880
starting to see because it feels like people

797
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,960
are no longer like, podcasting 2.0. That's

798
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,500
why don't you get a focus group together

799
00:27:44,500 --> 00:27:46,000
and see that this thing's crap.

800
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,240
Nobody wants this stuff.

801
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,700
Like, I mean, that's what we were hearing

802
00:27:49,700 --> 00:27:50,940
two, three years ago.

803
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:51,660
Oh, I heard it.

804
00:27:51,780 --> 00:27:55,580
I heard it in podcast movement now, but

805
00:27:55,580 --> 00:27:58,140
now people are just like, Hey, we need

806
00:27:58,140 --> 00:28:01,760
some fresh, we need fresh new things in

807
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:02,420
podcasting.

808
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,960
I mean, like the, the apps already have

809
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:06,460
everything.

810
00:28:06,460 --> 00:28:07,640
They have the basics.

811
00:28:08,260 --> 00:28:10,840
They just, everybody's already got everything.

812
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,640
Like there has to be some new ideas.

813
00:28:14,100 --> 00:28:16,100
And I'm really encouraged to see that there

814
00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:21,580
are these, these, the 2.0 tags that,

815
00:28:22,940 --> 00:28:24,920
you know, some of them have been around

816
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,780
for four years now, five years going on,

817
00:28:29,780 --> 00:28:32,980
that they're starting to come to, to be

818
00:28:32,980 --> 00:28:34,160
actually put into use.

819
00:28:34,220 --> 00:28:35,700
And we taught, you know, we've talked about

820
00:28:35,700 --> 00:28:36,740
this a hundred times.

821
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,200
You can't just look at usage metrics and

822
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,560
say this particular tag was a failure.

823
00:28:42,900 --> 00:28:44,700
Now you can look at it structurally and

824
00:28:44,700 --> 00:28:46,320
say, okay, it's a failure.

825
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,300
Like with the image tag, with the images

826
00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:51,620
tag, the previous one, you can say, okay,

827
00:28:51,700 --> 00:28:55,960
this, this thing just doesn't do enough to

828
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,320
justify its existence.

829
00:28:59,020 --> 00:29:00,500
It can be better.

830
00:29:01,180 --> 00:29:04,140
And so, you know, let's re-engineer it

831
00:29:04,140 --> 00:29:06,140
to be a better, to just do a

832
00:29:06,140 --> 00:29:07,680
better, to do a better job.

833
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,860
Now that's, that's a thing that, that makes

834
00:29:09,860 --> 00:29:10,280
sense.

835
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,760
But if you just look at usage metrics

836
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,960
and say, well, this tag is, is not

837
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,140
being used very much.

838
00:29:18,980 --> 00:29:21,100
Therefore we need to deprecate it or something

839
00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:21,440
like that.

840
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,220
That to me, that is not a strong

841
00:29:23,220 --> 00:29:26,360
argument because it can sometimes take a very,

842
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:27,260
very long time.

843
00:29:27,620 --> 00:29:28,500
Years, years, years.

844
00:29:28,740 --> 00:29:31,160
I would also recommend that just because I

845
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,220
see the market and I see the response

846
00:29:34,020 --> 00:29:40,260
hosting companies consider marketing, hyperlocal podcasting.

847
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,880
You know, everyone has their own, their marketing

848
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:43,360
message.

849
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,620
Everyone has different ways of selling podcasting to

850
00:29:47,620 --> 00:29:53,100
potential people, but it is, it was amazing

851
00:29:53,100 --> 00:29:53,560
to me.

852
00:29:53,940 --> 00:29:54,360
Potential people?

853
00:29:54,820 --> 00:29:56,460
Potential, potential customers.

854
00:29:56,580 --> 00:29:58,400
Now they may be people, but you know,

855
00:29:58,400 --> 00:29:59,580
they may also be customers.

856
00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:00,440
Right.

857
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:01,700
That is amazing to me.

858
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:02,380
I just like the term potential people.

859
00:30:03,620 --> 00:30:04,800
That's show title.

860
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:06,080
Potential people.

861
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:06,920
There we go.

862
00:30:08,380 --> 00:30:08,920
No, what?

863
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:10,860
Potential people.

864
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,060
There's a light bulb that I've seen go

865
00:30:14,060 --> 00:30:16,260
on over and over again when I say,

866
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,000
Hey, you know, you don't have to be

867
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,240
Joe Rogan, just the podcast.

868
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,920
You can do something for your town, for

869
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,680
your club, for your your group, for your

870
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,660
church, for your school.

871
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,960
And it doesn't have to be this, you

872
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,980
know, you don't have to be going for

873
00:30:34,980 --> 00:30:36,260
swinging for the fences.

874
00:30:37,020 --> 00:30:39,040
In fact, you're unlikely to succeed.

875
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,820
But people don't even think of podcasting this

876
00:30:42,820 --> 00:30:43,040
way.

877
00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:45,580
They think, Oh, you know, I gotta be

878
00:30:45,580 --> 00:30:46,080
like Rogan.

879
00:30:46,180 --> 00:30:47,540
I gotta be like, I gotta be a

880
00:30:47,540 --> 00:30:47,760
BB.

881
00:30:49,660 --> 00:30:51,640
It's a light bulb that goes on that

882
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,440
is baffling because it seems so obvious to

883
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:55,760
us.

884
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,100
You know, we've been around for a while,

885
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,620
but when you, when you say to somebody,

886
00:31:00,780 --> 00:31:02,300
they go, Oh, really?

887
00:31:02,820 --> 00:31:03,520
Yes, really.

888
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:04,440
You can do that.

889
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,760
Oh, I never thought of it that way.

890
00:31:07,860 --> 00:31:08,260
So, yeah.

891
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,640
And there's a pretty good chance that you

892
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,760
will get local people to sponsor your endeavor.

893
00:31:16,340 --> 00:31:18,000
People who you already know.

894
00:31:18,660 --> 00:31:19,140
Really?

895
00:31:19,420 --> 00:31:19,620
Yeah.

896
00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:20,380
Give it a try.

897
00:31:20,620 --> 00:31:23,340
I have email after email from people saying,

898
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,480
Hey, I heard, I heard it, man.

899
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,940
I set up a podcast and, and I'm

900
00:31:27,940 --> 00:31:31,020
doing my, you know, talking with the guy

901
00:31:31,020 --> 00:31:33,720
from the commerce, what is it?

902
00:31:33,740 --> 00:31:36,160
The commerce board or the commerce, the chamber

903
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,820
of commerce in our town, Virginia.

904
00:31:38,420 --> 00:31:41,100
And people really like it because businesses are

905
00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:43,320
listening and people who want to know what's

906
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,500
on the calendar, the event calendar.

907
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:48,920
It's funny.

908
00:31:49,420 --> 00:31:53,340
You know, I copy pasted my hyperlocal podcast

909
00:31:53,340 --> 00:31:57,540
.com primer that I wrote, I don't know,

910
00:31:57,660 --> 00:31:59,280
more than a year ago, I think.

911
00:31:59,780 --> 00:32:00,180
Yeah.

912
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,920
And I put it into sub stack and

913
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,100
I hadn't even finished it.

914
00:32:03,140 --> 00:32:04,900
I'm like, I'm just, you know, just I've

915
00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:06,780
done like two things on this sub stack

916
00:32:06,780 --> 00:32:07,140
ever.

917
00:32:07,180 --> 00:32:08,740
And I've had it for a couple of

918
00:32:08,740 --> 00:32:08,840
years.

919
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:09,860
I didn't even know you had a sub

920
00:32:09,860 --> 00:32:09,960
stack.

921
00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:10,500
Exactly.

922
00:32:10,980 --> 00:32:12,660
And I just hit publish and like, Oh

923
00:32:12,660 --> 00:32:13,020
crap.

924
00:32:13,060 --> 00:32:14,520
It didn't carry over the links.

925
00:32:14,780 --> 00:32:15,380
You know?

926
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:16,860
So I'll add those in later.

927
00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:19,160
All of a sudden I hear James on

928
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:19,620
pod news.

929
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,180
Adam Curry has published a hyperlocal podcast primer.

930
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:24,760
Like what, what, what?

931
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,500
So somehow, somehow by hitting publish on sub

932
00:32:29,500 --> 00:32:31,320
stack that showed up on his radar, I

933
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:32,440
thought that was rather interesting.

934
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,280
And I know I didn't do anything.

935
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,000
I'll just hit publish.

936
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:38,380
And that was a mistake.

937
00:32:38,460 --> 00:32:39,680
I should have kept that as a draft

938
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,700
and I still haven't put the links in.

939
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:44,480
Hyperlocal.

940
00:32:47,730 --> 00:32:50,990
So there's a, uh, I don't know.

941
00:32:51,050 --> 00:32:52,710
Do you know the business journals?

942
00:32:52,890 --> 00:32:56,170
Do you know this, this outfit, uh, biz

943
00:32:56,170 --> 00:32:58,630
journal, B I Z with a, you know,

944
00:32:58,750 --> 00:33:00,510
B I Z journals.com.

945
00:33:00,590 --> 00:33:01,370
No, no.

946
00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:04,830
So it's like a, they're like a collection

947
00:33:04,830 --> 00:33:08,830
of, um, local business.

948
00:33:09,390 --> 00:33:13,130
It's an online magazine, but they're, but they're

949
00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:15,990
focused on each individual region, you know, like

950
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:16,550
city.

951
00:33:16,810 --> 00:33:18,630
So Birmingham has one.

952
00:33:18,970 --> 00:33:21,670
The Birmingham, the Birmingham business journal, the Dallas

953
00:33:21,670 --> 00:33:22,730
business journal, blah, blah, blah.

954
00:33:22,970 --> 00:33:25,570
Well, then they, they sort of wrap, wrap

955
00:33:25,570 --> 00:33:27,750
all their stories and they have, they have

956
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:29,150
reporters and stuff for them.

957
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:31,210
And they sort of wrap all this content

958
00:33:31,210 --> 00:33:33,010
up into biz journals.com.

959
00:33:33,010 --> 00:33:34,770
And then you see sort of like a

960
00:33:34,770 --> 00:33:37,530
view of everything, but then, but you know,

961
00:33:37,550 --> 00:33:40,550
you subscribe, they have subscribers in each, you

962
00:33:40,550 --> 00:33:42,670
know, you subscribe to your local version of

963
00:33:42,670 --> 00:33:44,150
this thing, but then they also had to

964
00:33:44,150 --> 00:33:48,010
have advertisers from local businesses and that kind

965
00:33:48,010 --> 00:33:48,210
of stuff.

966
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:52,030
And it's a viable, good business.

967
00:33:52,350 --> 00:33:54,770
So, because you, because you're, I think when

968
00:33:54,770 --> 00:33:56,590
you focus, cause when you focus on local,

969
00:33:58,710 --> 00:34:01,510
um, there's always a lot of value.

970
00:34:01,850 --> 00:34:04,490
There's a lot more value to mo in

971
00:34:04,490 --> 00:34:05,150
local.

972
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:07,290
What am I trying to say?

973
00:34:07,370 --> 00:34:10,170
When it comes to advertising, there's a lot

974
00:34:10,170 --> 00:34:12,489
more value in a local thing than there

975
00:34:12,489 --> 00:34:15,350
is in some sort of national advertised.

976
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:19,210
Cause no, most what's the numbers is something

977
00:34:19,210 --> 00:34:21,969
like, you know, how many tens of thousands

978
00:34:21,969 --> 00:34:24,250
of small businesses are there in, in this

979
00:34:24,250 --> 00:34:26,830
country in talking about us century, but I'm

980
00:34:26,830 --> 00:34:28,449
sure it's this way all over the place.

981
00:34:29,070 --> 00:34:33,610
Um, there's just always a hundred X more

982
00:34:33,610 --> 00:34:37,070
local businesses than there are regional or national

983
00:34:37,070 --> 00:34:37,530
businesses.

984
00:34:38,469 --> 00:34:41,030
There's just, the numbers are just so much

985
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:42,770
larger as far as the total.

986
00:34:43,489 --> 00:34:45,949
So if you, if you focus on local,

987
00:34:46,510 --> 00:34:49,530
you're always going to have a much more

988
00:34:49,530 --> 00:34:52,230
stable advertising base than if you try to

989
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:53,750
do some national deal.

990
00:34:54,090 --> 00:34:55,610
So if you, you know, if you start

991
00:34:55,610 --> 00:34:58,530
a hyper local podcast, I'm sure you can

992
00:34:58,530 --> 00:34:59,310
find sponsors.

993
00:34:59,850 --> 00:35:01,590
And I know you can, because you know,

994
00:35:01,610 --> 00:35:03,870
if you, it, there's always going to be

995
00:35:03,870 --> 00:35:06,930
the local car dealership and the local restaurants

996
00:35:06,930 --> 00:35:09,430
and the local law law firms.

997
00:35:09,590 --> 00:35:11,730
And the, I mean, they're just, they're always

998
00:35:11,730 --> 00:35:13,950
going to be plenty of those sources of,

999
00:35:13,950 --> 00:35:18,870
of sponsorship and, and advertising to support a

1000
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:21,310
decent local business.

1001
00:35:21,370 --> 00:35:22,710
And I mean, if you're, if you're a

1002
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:25,590
church looking for a sponsorship for your podcast,

1003
00:35:25,690 --> 00:35:27,850
local content, you know, there's going to be

1004
00:35:27,850 --> 00:35:30,570
a local Christian bookstores.

1005
00:35:30,830 --> 00:35:34,410
It'll cover your costs for real.

1006
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:35,530
It'll cover your costs.

1007
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:36,230
Definitely.

1008
00:35:37,150 --> 00:35:38,310
And it's just so much ease.

1009
00:35:38,430 --> 00:35:41,110
It seems so much easier than trying to

1010
00:35:41,110 --> 00:35:46,790
do some sort of national or ambiguously non

1011
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:48,250
-regional podcast.

1012
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:50,690
Oh, and it's more fun too, because people,

1013
00:35:50,930 --> 00:35:52,550
people in your hood will be listening.

1014
00:35:53,490 --> 00:35:54,350
It really is.

1015
00:35:55,010 --> 00:35:58,910
Like we had this, um, I mean, everybody's

1016
00:35:58,910 --> 00:36:02,070
got some version of, of, of a local

1017
00:36:02,070 --> 00:36:05,470
celebrity that, you know, for us, like we

1018
00:36:05,470 --> 00:36:08,130
have, uh, for years we had cousin Cliff.

1019
00:36:09,810 --> 00:36:12,370
He was the guy on local TV that

1020
00:36:12,370 --> 00:36:14,470
like, he was like, he would dress up

1021
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:16,050
like a clown and do the kid's show

1022
00:36:16,050 --> 00:36:16,550
in the morning.

1023
00:36:16,730 --> 00:36:16,990
Yeah.

1024
00:36:17,230 --> 00:36:18,630
And creepy, but okay.

1025
00:36:18,750 --> 00:36:18,970
Yeah.

1026
00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:19,370
Oh yeah.

1027
00:36:19,370 --> 00:36:20,170
He's totally creepy.

1028
00:36:20,170 --> 00:36:22,630
And then, but, but people support, you know,

1029
00:36:22,650 --> 00:36:25,110
he always had advertising just always, he always

1030
00:36:25,710 --> 00:36:27,970
people, he had the local car dealership was

1031
00:36:27,970 --> 00:36:31,050
his main guy, you know, main supporter.

1032
00:36:31,590 --> 00:36:34,070
And it just, if you're trying, trying to

1033
00:36:34,070 --> 00:36:36,090
be the next cousin, Cliff just seems like

1034
00:36:36,090 --> 00:36:38,490
a lot more straightforward proposition than trying to

1035
00:36:38,490 --> 00:36:39,630
be the next Joe Rogan.

1036
00:36:40,090 --> 00:36:41,670
Of course, of course.

1037
00:36:43,370 --> 00:36:43,830
Absolutely.

1038
00:36:46,410 --> 00:36:47,990
But I mean, it's, it's so, it's so,

1039
00:36:48,130 --> 00:36:50,170
it's just so easy to pull that trigger

1040
00:36:50,170 --> 00:36:50,490
now.

1041
00:36:51,310 --> 00:36:53,250
And start, you know, with, with, with how

1042
00:36:53,250 --> 00:36:56,210
quick it is to fire it, to spin

1043
00:36:56,210 --> 00:36:57,090
up a podcast.

1044
00:36:57,190 --> 00:37:00,230
They're, they're just so you can be with

1045
00:37:00,230 --> 00:37:01,890
the way hosting companies are now you can

1046
00:37:01,890 --> 00:37:04,310
be live with a podcast and published in

1047
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:06,450
all platforms within a day.

1048
00:37:07,110 --> 00:37:09,170
I, I don't know how I got here

1049
00:37:09,170 --> 00:37:13,970
from the biz journals, but Alabama is, has,

1050
00:37:14,110 --> 00:37:16,750
is in the, has three cities in the

1051
00:37:16,750 --> 00:37:20,490
top 10 of most dangerous cities in America.

1052
00:37:21,370 --> 00:37:21,610
Oh yeah.

1053
00:37:21,650 --> 00:37:23,190
Birmingham is like top three.

1054
00:37:23,330 --> 00:37:25,050
No, no, you're no, you've dropped out of

1055
00:37:25,050 --> 00:37:25,610
the top three.

1056
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:26,570
You're number seven.

1057
00:37:28,110 --> 00:37:29,750
Bessemer is number one.

1058
00:37:30,370 --> 00:37:32,150
That's a city right next to Birmingham.

1059
00:37:32,910 --> 00:37:34,890
Mobile, mobile is number two.

1060
00:37:36,670 --> 00:37:38,930
Birmingham dropped down at number seven.

1061
00:37:38,990 --> 00:37:40,190
What did Trump come to town?

1062
00:37:40,270 --> 00:37:41,650
Did he bring in the national guard?

1063
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:43,130
Did he clean stuff up for you?

1064
00:37:43,850 --> 00:37:47,450
No, we, yeah, we, it's, it's all, it's

1065
00:37:47,450 --> 00:37:47,710
funny.

1066
00:37:47,790 --> 00:37:51,210
Cause all those numbers, those, the, the crime

1067
00:37:51,210 --> 00:37:57,990
statistics for, for Birmingham, all the, all the

1068
00:37:57,990 --> 00:38:02,290
trouble is usually within like one geographic area.

1069
00:38:02,370 --> 00:38:04,630
It's like, it's like, it's like one little

1070
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:05,710
pocket of Birmingham.

1071
00:38:06,070 --> 00:38:06,250
Yeah.

1072
00:38:06,770 --> 00:38:09,390
That's the place, if you've ever watched The

1073
00:38:09,390 --> 00:38:11,890
Wire, that's the place where eventually it'll burn

1074
00:38:11,890 --> 00:38:12,270
down.

1075
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:13,750
And then the, before you know it, you

1076
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:18,770
got a stadium or luxury condos.

1077
00:38:20,250 --> 00:38:20,950
It's funny.

1078
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:23,750
Cause we don't like the city of Birmingham,

1079
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:26,630
it feels super safe.

1080
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:28,950
Like it, but the crime statistics are just

1081
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:32,070
like, we, as a Birmingham resident, you look

1082
00:38:32,070 --> 00:38:33,330
there, you look at the crime statistics.

1083
00:38:33,390 --> 00:38:34,010
You're like, really?

1084
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:34,810
Wow.

1085
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:37,950
That's, I'm not feeling that, you know.

1086
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:40,490
Well, I'm sure you live in the very

1087
00:38:40,490 --> 00:38:42,450
safe white part of town, Dave Jones.

1088
00:38:43,090 --> 00:38:44,010
Absolutely not.

1089
00:38:44,190 --> 00:38:46,030
I absolutely do not live in the safe

1090
00:38:46,030 --> 00:38:46,750
white part of town.

1091
00:38:47,930 --> 00:38:52,650
We live literally like downtown, downtown, downtown.

1092
00:38:53,150 --> 00:38:53,630
Yeah.

1093
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:55,070
No, you're fine.

1094
00:38:55,150 --> 00:38:57,170
I think it's, it's probably every city has,

1095
00:38:57,690 --> 00:39:00,530
or of any size has, has the, the,

1096
00:39:00,690 --> 00:39:03,170
the area where you just, it's just prone

1097
00:39:03,170 --> 00:39:04,110
to crime, you know?

1098
00:39:04,730 --> 00:39:09,490
So just two quick words about video.

1099
00:39:11,350 --> 00:39:15,350
First of all, James Cridland is now doing,

1100
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:18,490
I guess he finally got a roadcaster.

1101
00:39:18,650 --> 00:39:20,410
I wonder if the Aussies gave one to

1102
00:39:20,410 --> 00:39:21,070
him for free.

1103
00:39:21,930 --> 00:39:23,990
They've never, they've never given me anything.

1104
00:39:24,090 --> 00:39:25,890
They give all the YouTubers, all the free

1105
00:39:25,890 --> 00:39:26,130
gear.

1106
00:39:26,290 --> 00:39:27,690
He's probably an advisor.

1107
00:39:29,630 --> 00:39:33,110
Well, yeah, they don't, I love their products.

1108
00:39:33,330 --> 00:39:34,070
I buy them.

1109
00:39:34,210 --> 00:39:34,970
I love their products.

1110
00:39:35,350 --> 00:39:36,630
We still have to figure out if we

1111
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:38,190
can do the direct connection thing.

1112
00:39:38,290 --> 00:39:39,670
You know, I, I, so I got the

1113
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:42,370
most recent update and I, I tried it

1114
00:39:42,370 --> 00:39:43,270
with a web browser.

1115
00:39:44,070 --> 00:39:45,630
And, you know, so you scan the QR

1116
00:39:45,630 --> 00:39:47,670
code on the screen, that's the link, you

1117
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:49,550
send that to somebody, they can log in.

1118
00:39:50,070 --> 00:39:51,890
Works beautifully once.

1119
00:39:54,510 --> 00:39:56,030
That second time's a killer.

1120
00:39:56,030 --> 00:39:56,350
Yeah.

1121
00:39:56,450 --> 00:39:58,110
Every single time after that, it would be

1122
00:39:58,110 --> 00:39:59,910
like call, I hit answer.

1123
00:40:00,030 --> 00:40:01,810
And then, you know, and then it just

1124
00:40:01,810 --> 00:40:02,530
wouldn't connect.

1125
00:40:02,690 --> 00:40:04,490
Even though on the phone, on the browser,

1126
00:40:04,590 --> 00:40:07,010
it said connected and it was sending packets.

1127
00:40:07,090 --> 00:40:07,890
So I don't know.

1128
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:09,730
Maybe I'll reboot the machine.

1129
00:40:09,870 --> 00:40:10,350
Try it again.

1130
00:40:10,490 --> 00:40:11,550
When we, we will try it.

1131
00:40:11,570 --> 00:40:13,450
People think it's a good system.

1132
00:40:13,590 --> 00:40:15,910
I'm very partial to clean feed though.

1133
00:40:15,970 --> 00:40:17,110
I'm a very loyal client.

1134
00:40:17,330 --> 00:40:19,370
That means I'll have to plug my ethernet

1135
00:40:19,370 --> 00:40:20,830
cable back into my roadcaster.

1136
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:22,590
No, it did it on wifi.

1137
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:24,130
It worked on wifi for me.

1138
00:40:24,970 --> 00:40:25,530
Please.

1139
00:40:25,850 --> 00:40:26,110
Oh yeah.

1140
00:40:26,210 --> 00:40:26,950
You don't have wifi.

1141
00:40:27,150 --> 00:40:27,510
I'm sorry.

1142
00:40:27,630 --> 00:40:28,510
You're against wifi.

1143
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:29,450
You're anti-wifi.

1144
00:40:29,590 --> 00:40:30,170
You hate wifi.

1145
00:40:30,450 --> 00:40:31,490
You hate wifi.

1146
00:40:31,710 --> 00:40:32,650
You're anti-RF.

1147
00:40:32,930 --> 00:40:34,170
You're an RF bigot.

1148
00:40:34,530 --> 00:40:35,250
RF bigot.

1149
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:36,550
RFK.

1150
00:40:37,810 --> 00:40:42,050
Um, anyway, so James has started doing a

1151
00:40:42,050 --> 00:40:47,710
video version of, um, of the pod news

1152
00:40:47,710 --> 00:40:52,210
daily report and which of course I watched,

1153
00:40:52,270 --> 00:40:53,990
you know, and, and he's, I know it's

1154
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:58,090
just testing as a long time listener and

1155
00:40:58,090 --> 00:41:00,650
sat streamer of pod news.

1156
00:41:01,110 --> 00:41:02,170
I hate it.

1157
00:41:03,170 --> 00:41:07,650
And the, and the reason why is because.

1158
00:41:07,770 --> 00:41:08,630
I just like it when you haste.

1159
00:41:08,850 --> 00:41:11,390
I really hate it because his whole read

1160
00:41:11,390 --> 00:41:12,090
is different.

1161
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:15,010
You know, watch the video and he's looking

1162
00:41:15,010 --> 00:41:16,470
at the script off to the side.

1163
00:41:16,570 --> 00:41:19,210
So either he needs a teleprompter, which is

1164
00:41:19,210 --> 00:41:22,350
a whole nother can of worms, uh, or

1165
00:41:22,350 --> 00:41:24,330
some, you know, has to position the camera

1166
00:41:24,330 --> 00:41:24,830
or something.

1167
00:41:24,830 --> 00:41:26,450
So he's not even looking at the camera

1168
00:41:26,450 --> 00:41:27,690
and that's all right.

1169
00:41:27,690 --> 00:41:28,850
I don't want to see the video.

1170
00:41:28,910 --> 00:41:29,810
I want to listen to it.

1171
00:41:29,950 --> 00:41:32,730
And his audio production was, I love his

1172
00:41:32,730 --> 00:41:33,550
audio production.

1173
00:41:34,130 --> 00:41:35,470
He's more close mics.

1174
00:41:35,950 --> 00:41:39,010
Um, it's a different type of read, uh,

1175
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:40,170
and that's all gone now.

1176
00:41:40,170 --> 00:41:41,830
And it just feels kind of a little

1177
00:41:41,830 --> 00:41:43,970
soulless, uh, what it is now.

1178
00:41:45,090 --> 00:41:46,670
And he's, he's without soul.

1179
00:41:46,670 --> 00:41:47,010
Yeah.

1180
00:41:47,830 --> 00:41:52,550
You shall not podcast without soul, you know?

1181
00:41:52,610 --> 00:41:56,570
So it's just like, the audio product is

1182
00:41:56,570 --> 00:41:58,610
really, really, really good.

1183
00:41:58,890 --> 00:42:01,950
And I really like it, especially when, when

1184
00:42:01,950 --> 00:42:03,170
he forgets to edit a pickup.

1185
00:42:03,370 --> 00:42:03,930
That's the funniest.

1186
00:42:05,010 --> 00:42:05,190
Yeah.

1187
00:42:05,350 --> 00:42:07,090
Is it as, is it on?

1188
00:42:07,230 --> 00:42:07,550
Oh yeah.

1189
00:42:07,570 --> 00:42:08,530
Here it is on YouTube.

1190
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:11,390
It's just, it's just, it's just a different

1191
00:42:11,390 --> 00:42:14,330
read, which is, which is understandable.

1192
00:42:14,330 --> 00:42:18,570
No, it's, but to me it, uh, it

1193
00:42:18,570 --> 00:42:21,830
subtracts from the value of that.

1194
00:42:21,950 --> 00:42:23,990
I got from the audio, the pure audio

1195
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:24,610
production.

1196
00:42:24,810 --> 00:42:26,550
I like, I like hearing a report.

1197
00:42:26,830 --> 00:42:27,650
Give me a report.

1198
00:42:27,690 --> 00:42:28,510
I want that report.

1199
00:42:28,590 --> 00:42:31,170
Here's pod news report Monday time for some

1200
00:42:31,170 --> 00:42:31,650
tech stuff.

1201
00:42:31,790 --> 00:42:32,750
I like it.

1202
00:42:34,010 --> 00:42:35,870
Do you, do you think it's, do you

1203
00:42:35,870 --> 00:42:37,390
think it's because he's looking at the camera?

1204
00:42:38,290 --> 00:42:41,190
Well, but I'm just, I mean, he, it's

1205
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:42,350
an edited product.

1206
00:42:42,670 --> 00:42:44,790
He, or however he does it.

1207
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:48,390
I don't, I presume that he does pickups

1208
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:51,290
and other things, but he's focused really on

1209
00:42:51,290 --> 00:42:51,970
the read.

1210
00:42:52,010 --> 00:42:54,550
And now he's further from the mic.

1211
00:42:54,750 --> 00:42:57,790
He's, um, you know, it's, it's just a

1212
00:42:57,790 --> 00:42:59,750
different read when you're, when you're reading in

1213
00:42:59,750 --> 00:43:01,190
one, cause he has to do it all

1214
00:43:01,190 --> 00:43:01,650
in one go.

1215
00:43:01,670 --> 00:43:03,290
He's, he can't edit the video.

1216
00:43:03,290 --> 00:43:05,330
He's trying to do it all live to

1217
00:43:05,330 --> 00:43:07,210
tape, which is fine.

1218
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:09,830
But I like the other, I like the

1219
00:43:09,830 --> 00:43:11,470
other way as an audio products.

1220
00:43:11,530 --> 00:43:13,270
I, I'm not going to watch the video

1221
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:14,290
now.

1222
00:43:14,370 --> 00:43:16,050
I don't, I just want to hear the

1223
00:43:16,050 --> 00:43:16,470
information.

1224
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:18,050
I just want the information, man.

1225
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:19,030
Yeah.

1226
00:43:19,690 --> 00:43:22,710
So the second thing, go ahead.

1227
00:43:23,830 --> 00:43:25,150
Now, do you remember when we, you know,

1228
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:27,790
I used to record myself as, as, as

1229
00:43:27,790 --> 00:43:30,170
a way to test in a tube with

1230
00:43:30,170 --> 00:43:31,430
alternate enclosure.

1231
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:31,910
Yes.

1232
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:34,490
And I would test them.

1233
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:37,790
I would record myself doing this show and

1234
00:43:38,490 --> 00:43:40,210
I could fire that back up and we

1235
00:43:40,210 --> 00:43:41,070
could do HLS.

1236
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:41,890
Yeah.

1237
00:43:41,930 --> 00:43:43,410
You do whatever you want to do, bro.

1238
00:43:45,370 --> 00:43:45,990
Okay, bro.

1239
00:43:46,090 --> 00:43:47,910
I'm not going to participate in that brother.

1240
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:49,730
I'm not, I'm not going to participate in

1241
00:43:49,730 --> 00:43:49,870
that.

1242
00:43:50,010 --> 00:43:51,170
Maybe I'll, maybe I'll do it.

1243
00:43:51,210 --> 00:43:52,650
Maybe I'll fire up another feed.

1244
00:43:52,850 --> 00:43:53,090
Yeah.

1245
00:43:53,210 --> 00:43:53,570
Okay.

1246
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:57,430
Um, I'm just trying to help.

1247
00:43:58,030 --> 00:43:59,530
Well here to be helpful.

1248
00:43:59,750 --> 00:44:01,450
So here's the second piece of the news,

1249
00:44:02,150 --> 00:44:06,730
two surprising facts about platform consumption in 2025

1250
00:44:06,730 --> 00:44:08,570
from sounds profitable.

1251
00:44:09,070 --> 00:44:10,430
Did you see this?

1252
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:16,970
Well, essentially the stats confirm suspicions about YouTube.

1253
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:19,470
It's not necessarily about being on video.

1254
00:44:19,610 --> 00:44:21,510
YouTube is just a really good app for

1255
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:22,650
podcast consumption.

1256
00:44:22,810 --> 00:44:25,570
The app provides great search and discovery community

1257
00:44:25,570 --> 00:44:26,190
engagement.

1258
00:44:26,750 --> 00:44:31,490
But, uh, here is the stat that might

1259
00:44:31,490 --> 00:44:33,530
surprise you dispels the myth that video is

1260
00:44:33,530 --> 00:44:34,150
eating the world.

1261
00:44:34,290 --> 00:44:36,010
It is certainly true that a slight majority

1262
00:44:36,010 --> 00:44:38,650
of YouTube past podcast consumers say they watch

1263
00:44:38,650 --> 00:44:40,210
more than half of their podcasts.

1264
00:44:41,010 --> 00:44:43,630
19% say they watch 51 to 75

1265
00:44:43,630 --> 00:44:46,030
% plus the 34% who say they

1266
00:44:46,030 --> 00:44:47,190
watch more than 75.

1267
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:50,370
But that means that just only under half

1268
00:44:50,370 --> 00:44:52,130
use YouTube to listen.

1269
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:55,010
Even if the podcast is a video podcast,

1270
00:44:57,980 --> 00:45:00,260
people are listening to podcasts.

1271
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,640
So I think it's the definition of what

1272
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:06,880
a podcast is.

1273
00:45:07,180 --> 00:45:09,040
Well, I've given up on that conversation.

1274
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:10,880
No, no, I don't mean it in that

1275
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:11,120
way.

1276
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:12,780
Like I mean something different by that.

1277
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,600
I realized what it sounded like, but what

1278
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:15,800
I'm saying is something different.

1279
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,180
What I'm saying is like, I think that

1280
00:45:19,180 --> 00:45:24,840
when you, a podcast is a particular thing,

1281
00:45:24,940 --> 00:45:30,500
like, and I'm not even talking about RSS

1282
00:45:30,500 --> 00:45:31,700
at this moment.

1283
00:45:31,860 --> 00:45:35,060
Like what I'm saying is that if I

1284
00:45:35,060 --> 00:45:41,020
say I'm listening to a podcast, it means

1285
00:45:41,020 --> 00:45:43,260
something specific.

1286
00:45:43,260 --> 00:45:46,800
It means like a particular type of content

1287
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:52,040
that is geared toward a listening experience.

1288
00:45:53,220 --> 00:45:57,640
I like James's description where he says something

1289
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,100
to do with your ears while your eyes

1290
00:45:59,100 --> 00:45:59,520
are busy.

1291
00:46:00,700 --> 00:46:04,040
I think the most of the podcast consumption

1292
00:46:04,900 --> 00:46:06,780
falls under that category.

1293
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:11,880
It is something you're listening to while you're

1294
00:46:13,340 --> 00:46:15,240
occupied with something else.

1295
00:46:15,620 --> 00:46:18,900
Nobody just sits down on the couch and

1296
00:46:18,900 --> 00:46:20,940
listens to a podcast and stares at the

1297
00:46:20,940 --> 00:46:21,240
wall.

1298
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:22,260
Agreed.

1299
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,900
Like you're listening to a podcast while you,

1300
00:46:25,940 --> 00:46:27,740
you listen to a podcast in the same

1301
00:46:27,740 --> 00:46:29,460
way you would listen to an audio book.

1302
00:46:31,220 --> 00:46:35,860
It's just, it's a, it's an experience that

1303
00:46:35,860 --> 00:46:39,120
is, it's a sidecar experience.

1304
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,880
It's a thing that you do alongside another

1305
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:45,560
thing.

1306
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:54,000
Whereas YouTube videos are not like that.

1307
00:46:54,420 --> 00:46:57,420
YouTube videos are something that you are intentionally

1308
00:46:57,420 --> 00:47:02,600
watching like you watch a television or, or

1309
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:03,660
some other experience.

1310
00:47:03,980 --> 00:47:05,480
And this, the reason I'm, okay, so the

1311
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,140
reason I'm getting, I'm digging in on this

1312
00:47:07,140 --> 00:47:09,980
is because this has been, this was a

1313
00:47:09,980 --> 00:47:11,080
topic of debate.

1314
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,760
He, a slightly heated topic of debate when

1315
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:19,720
we defined the video medium.

1316
00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:23,680
So for the podcast medium tag, there's all,

1317
00:47:23,820 --> 00:47:25,940
you know, there's different, different mediums.

1318
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,420
You have audio book, music, podcast.

1319
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:30,740
Right now, right now you have radio.

1320
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:36,000
You have, you have various mediums meant to

1321
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,180
define, this is the content, this is the

1322
00:47:39,180 --> 00:47:44,200
type of content that is being delivered.

1323
00:47:45,460 --> 00:47:47,660
And so one of those video, one of

1324
00:47:47,660 --> 00:47:51,220
those mediums is, it's still in the spec.

1325
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:57,540
One of those mediums is video and the

1326
00:47:57,540 --> 00:48:01,920
podcast medium tag is designed to deliver a

1327
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,540
different experience in an app, right?

1328
00:48:04,580 --> 00:48:07,280
It is, this is, it's not defining the

1329
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,480
media format.

1330
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,920
It's defining the media type.

1331
00:48:17,590 --> 00:48:21,560
And that's confusing, but yes, I remember this.

1332
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,240
I remember this conversation.

1333
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:24,280
Yeah.

1334
00:48:24,500 --> 00:48:26,120
And so, and I, and I think this

1335
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,860
is becoming important again, because the, because the

1336
00:48:29,860 --> 00:48:33,440
medium is a distinct, is a distinctive.

1337
00:48:34,540 --> 00:48:43,500
The, if you have pod news daily, that

1338
00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:45,680
is a podcast medium.

1339
00:48:48,020 --> 00:48:56,680
If you have Joe Rogan's video, excuse me,

1340
00:48:56,820 --> 00:48:59,700
let me make a different example.

1341
00:49:00,180 --> 00:49:05,380
If you have the, let's say the day,

1342
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,080
some show by the daily wire.

1343
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,340
Is that Dave, is that Dave Rubin?

1344
00:49:09,340 --> 00:49:10,920
He's on, he's on daily wire.

1345
00:49:11,100 --> 00:49:12,920
He's on daily with Shapiro daily wire.

1346
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:13,960
I can't keep up.

1347
00:49:14,060 --> 00:49:16,060
Ruben, I think is Ruben, Ruben may be

1348
00:49:16,060 --> 00:49:16,520
blaze.

1349
00:49:16,580 --> 00:49:19,220
I think daily route.

1350
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:19,740
Okay.

1351
00:49:21,240 --> 00:49:27,400
Let's say Ben Shapiro show that is even

1352
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:28,720
though it can be an audio.

1353
00:49:30,100 --> 00:49:32,160
If you, you can also publish it as

1354
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:36,660
a video medium in the video medium is

1355
00:49:36,660 --> 00:49:38,680
a specific experience.

1356
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,460
You're watching it's, it's what you're doing is

1357
00:49:42,460 --> 00:49:44,920
you're telling the PR you're telling the audience

1358
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,000
this, what this type of thing is designed

1359
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:48,400
for.

1360
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:50,820
This is going to be an audio book

1361
00:49:50,820 --> 00:49:51,280
experience.

1362
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:52,900
This is going to be a podcast experience.

1363
00:49:52,900 --> 00:49:55,280
This is going to be a video experience,

1364
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,580
whatever, whatever the main experience experience is supposed

1365
00:49:59,580 --> 00:50:00,240
to be.

1366
00:50:00,900 --> 00:50:03,780
That's what you're putting into the video medium.

1367
00:50:03,780 --> 00:50:05,360
So I think this is going to become

1368
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,500
more important as we get into HLS stuff

1369
00:50:08,500 --> 00:50:13,800
so that we can define in the, in

1370
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,120
the feed, what this thing is supposed to

1371
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:17,440
be.

1372
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:22,840
And ideally what you're defining is the uh,

1373
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,300
most appropriate experience, right?

1374
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,560
Because what you, you can live, you can

1375
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,860
have, you can have music like a music

1376
00:50:32,860 --> 00:50:37,980
album delivered by in an RSS feed without

1377
00:50:37,980 --> 00:50:41,880
defining a medium of music and it'll still

1378
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:42,480
work.

1379
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,300
It just won't be a great experience because

1380
00:50:45,300 --> 00:50:46,720
the tracks will be all out of order.

1381
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,240
They'll, they'll mark themselves as played every time

1382
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:52,760
you finish it so that you go back

1383
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,760
in the, now the episode, now the track

1384
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:55,280
is gone.

1385
00:50:55,940 --> 00:50:58,420
It's a real clumsy, weird experience.

1386
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,460
So you define, you say, okay, this is

1387
00:51:01,460 --> 00:51:04,000
a music medium so that the app knows,

1388
00:51:04,100 --> 00:51:05,360
okay, don't do all that stuff.

1389
00:51:05,700 --> 00:51:08,080
The app knows to download all the tracks,

1390
00:51:08,980 --> 00:51:11,340
which are, you know, items in the, in

1391
00:51:11,340 --> 00:51:14,060
the feed, download all the tracks and don't

1392
00:51:14,060 --> 00:51:16,600
do all the normal podcast-y type stuff

1393
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:17,100
to it.

1394
00:51:18,180 --> 00:51:20,900
Treat it like, treat it like a music

1395
00:51:20,900 --> 00:51:21,280
album.

1396
00:51:21,700 --> 00:51:22,780
And so the same thing is going to

1397
00:51:22,780 --> 00:51:25,060
happen, needs to happen with the video equals

1398
00:51:25,060 --> 00:51:26,460
medium equals video.

1399
00:51:27,740 --> 00:51:32,080
Now the app knows, okay, this is a

1400
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,060
video first experience.

1401
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,240
And that means something.

1402
00:51:37,580 --> 00:51:40,660
That means that the person, the intended, the

1403
00:51:40,660 --> 00:51:43,380
audience is intended to watch this thing.

1404
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,560
Their eyes are going to be on the

1405
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:45,960
app.

1406
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,360
The, so there should be like a more

1407
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,680
of an emphasis on what is happening on

1408
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,020
the screen, like maybe chat or comments.

1409
00:51:59,260 --> 00:52:02,700
That it is a visual first experience.

1410
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,240
And I, like, I think we need to

1411
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:08,820
keep that in mind as people are talking

1412
00:52:08,820 --> 00:52:15,100
about HLS support, specifically video HLS support, because

1413
00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:17,840
that's what that thing was made to be.

1414
00:52:23,380 --> 00:52:23,860
Agreed.

1415
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:29,420
Agreed.

1416
00:52:29,940 --> 00:52:31,100
Do you see, like, you see what I

1417
00:52:31,100 --> 00:52:31,340
mean?

1418
00:52:31,380 --> 00:52:34,880
I mean, it's, because it seems dumb.

1419
00:52:34,980 --> 00:52:35,780
I agree.

1420
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:36,880
It seems dumb.

1421
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,040
Why do you describe medium equals video?

1422
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,260
The video is just the format of the

1423
00:52:42,260 --> 00:52:44,960
file being delivered and it can be a

1424
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:45,940
video podcast.

1425
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,360
Well, yeah, but I think that's the reason

1426
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,220
I started thinking about this was what you

1427
00:52:51,220 --> 00:52:53,700
were just defining, what you were just saying

1428
00:52:53,700 --> 00:53:02,380
about actual consumption patterns is that it's what

1429
00:53:02,380 --> 00:53:05,780
we knew all along, that podcasts are a

1430
00:53:05,780 --> 00:53:08,280
thing that you listen to while you're doing

1431
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,040
other, the pod, the experience of listening to

1432
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:15,580
a podcast is a particular consumption form.

1433
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:16,180
Yes.

1434
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:20,800
And the experience of watching a video, a

1435
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:25,080
YouTube style video thing is not the same

1436
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:25,660
as that.

1437
00:53:26,340 --> 00:53:29,340
And you want to be able to define

1438
00:53:29,340 --> 00:53:32,120
to your audience, this is what I, this

1439
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,300
is the way I intend this thing to

1440
00:53:34,300 --> 00:53:35,100
be consumed.

1441
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,780
It doesn't mean you have to, you could

1442
00:53:37,780 --> 00:53:38,760
do something you could do different.

1443
00:53:38,900 --> 00:53:40,180
You can turn your screen off on YouTube

1444
00:53:40,180 --> 00:53:42,340
and just listen to it, but it's kind

1445
00:53:42,340 --> 00:53:42,720
of lame.

1446
00:53:44,020 --> 00:53:45,960
And the same thing with this other thing

1447
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,500
is like, well, you know, you can, you

1448
00:53:48,500 --> 00:53:50,680
can, you can consume this HLS video content

1449
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,360
in your podcast player in some other way

1450
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:53,300
besides watching it.

1451
00:53:53,380 --> 00:53:55,200
That's fine, but it's just not going to

1452
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:55,740
be that great.

1453
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:57,880
Hmm.

1454
00:54:00,110 --> 00:54:02,130
You really hate this video talk, don't you?

1455
00:54:03,090 --> 00:54:06,950
It's just like, this is painful for you.

1456
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:11,730
Well, I just feel bad that everyone somehow

1457
00:54:11,730 --> 00:54:16,030
believes that, that people just think a podcast

1458
00:54:16,030 --> 00:54:18,830
is video and it's, it doesn't matter.

1459
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:20,570
I mean, it doesn't even matter that my

1460
00:54:20,570 --> 00:54:21,730
show is not on Spotify.

1461
00:54:22,270 --> 00:54:23,250
People don't care.

1462
00:54:23,410 --> 00:54:24,230
Oh, it's not on Spotify.

1463
00:54:24,490 --> 00:54:24,670
Okay.

1464
00:54:24,670 --> 00:54:25,670
I'll use this other app.

1465
00:54:25,730 --> 00:54:26,150
That's fine.

1466
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:27,670
They want the content.

1467
00:54:27,810 --> 00:54:29,270
If they want the content, they will come

1468
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:30,970
to your house and ask for a CD.

1469
00:54:33,730 --> 00:54:34,410
It's true.

1470
00:54:34,730 --> 00:54:35,410
It's true.

1471
00:54:35,690 --> 00:54:35,790
Yeah.

1472
00:54:35,830 --> 00:54:36,810
I mean, they'll do anything.

1473
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:39,150
So it ultimately comes down to the content.

1474
00:54:39,250 --> 00:54:40,870
This is what I've noticed with the Godcaster.

1475
00:54:41,230 --> 00:54:42,470
It's like, where is it?

1476
00:54:42,570 --> 00:54:43,650
Oh, it's on the church homepage.

1477
00:54:43,890 --> 00:54:44,130
Okay.

1478
00:54:44,550 --> 00:54:45,430
I'll just go there.

1479
00:54:45,930 --> 00:54:46,490
I don't care.

1480
00:54:47,350 --> 00:54:47,910
I don't care.

1481
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:49,250
It's all the same.

1482
00:54:49,310 --> 00:54:50,730
People don't know they have a web browser

1483
00:54:50,730 --> 00:54:51,250
anymore.

1484
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:53,170
I got the DuckDuckGo.

1485
00:54:54,750 --> 00:54:57,290
You know, I just type in what I

1486
00:54:57,290 --> 00:54:58,890
want and then, then I'm there.

1487
00:54:58,970 --> 00:55:00,690
I don't know what's a web browser.

1488
00:55:00,850 --> 00:55:01,290
I don't know.

1489
00:55:01,330 --> 00:55:03,250
It's just, I got DuckDuckGo or I got

1490
00:55:03,250 --> 00:55:03,510
Google.

1491
00:55:03,570 --> 00:55:04,370
I used to use Google.

1492
00:55:04,490 --> 00:55:05,450
Now I use DuckDuckGo.

1493
00:55:05,530 --> 00:55:06,250
I hear it's safer.

1494
00:55:06,790 --> 00:55:08,830
This is literally the conversations I have.

1495
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:10,670
And these are not old fogey people.

1496
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:13,030
These are 35 year olds.

1497
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:15,680
Yeah.

1498
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:16,840
Yeah.

1499
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,420
I mean, have you noticed Google is just,

1500
00:55:20,420 --> 00:55:25,300
um, like I'm seeing all these horror stories

1501
00:55:25,300 --> 00:55:28,820
of, um, websites.

1502
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,780
There's traffic are down 60, 70%.

1503
00:55:31,780 --> 00:55:33,040
Oh, of course.

1504
00:55:33,420 --> 00:55:35,480
Because there's no more organic searchers.

1505
00:55:35,540 --> 00:55:36,800
Uh, no clicks.

1506
00:55:36,900 --> 00:55:38,740
No, everybody's using search.

1507
00:55:38,860 --> 00:55:42,480
I mean, Google, their money is, is not

1508
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,660
actually on Google search anymore.

1509
00:55:46,300 --> 00:55:48,220
I know I I'm saying that as a

1510
00:55:48,220 --> 00:55:50,140
blanket statement, I don't actually know that, but

1511
00:55:50,140 --> 00:55:53,320
I know that, um, people are just getting

1512
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,820
answers, right?

1513
00:55:56,060 --> 00:55:56,440
Yeah.

1514
00:55:56,500 --> 00:55:58,500
They're getting answers and yeah.

1515
00:55:58,500 --> 00:56:01,600
I mean, anthropic and, and Grok and others,

1516
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,220
they will show you, okay, I looked at

1517
00:56:03,220 --> 00:56:04,300
20 websites.

1518
00:56:04,620 --> 00:56:06,340
And if you go back, you can then

1519
00:56:06,340 --> 00:56:07,860
say, all right, and let me click on

1520
00:56:07,860 --> 00:56:08,220
this.

1521
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:09,820
Sometimes it's a little icon.

1522
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,020
Nobody's ever going to do that.

1523
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:12,380
No, they just take the answer.

1524
00:56:12,380 --> 00:56:13,820
Like, oh, that's the answer.

1525
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:15,860
Uh, SEO is dead.

1526
00:56:15,980 --> 00:56:16,860
Everything is dying.

1527
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:20,980
What Google's just using all they they're just

1528
00:56:20,980 --> 00:56:23,080
using all the content they scraped into their

1529
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,120
large language model to give the answer directly

1530
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:27,480
on their search result page.

1531
00:56:27,580 --> 00:56:28,000
Exactly.

1532
00:56:28,180 --> 00:56:29,460
So that you don't have to click through

1533
00:56:29,460 --> 00:56:30,480
the actual website.

1534
00:56:30,780 --> 00:56:33,740
Like I heard somebody say, or somebody say

1535
00:56:33,740 --> 00:56:35,940
the other day when they, when they automated

1536
00:56:35,940 --> 00:56:37,620
the blue collar jobs, nobody cared.

1537
00:56:37,660 --> 00:56:39,180
But when, now, when they're now that they're

1538
00:56:39,180 --> 00:56:41,220
automating the white collar jobs, everybody's losing their

1539
00:56:41,220 --> 00:56:41,580
mind.

1540
00:56:42,220 --> 00:56:44,840
It's like, yeah, it's true.

1541
00:56:44,940 --> 00:56:47,940
But I mean, you, they, I don't really

1542
00:56:47,940 --> 00:56:54,730
understand the, I don't want to say legality

1543
00:56:54,730 --> 00:56:57,470
because it's not really, I mean, these, these

1544
00:56:57,470 --> 00:56:59,570
behemoth companies just do whatever they want.

1545
00:56:59,610 --> 00:57:01,290
They don't, they don't care and they don't

1546
00:57:01,290 --> 00:57:02,370
ask anybody's permission.

1547
00:57:02,570 --> 00:57:02,690
No.

1548
00:57:02,850 --> 00:57:04,470
Oh, remember that it's even worse.

1549
00:57:04,770 --> 00:57:07,090
It's like, no, no, that's all fair use.

1550
00:57:07,130 --> 00:57:08,630
The internet has different rules.

1551
00:57:09,230 --> 00:57:09,370
Yeah.

1552
00:57:09,610 --> 00:57:09,710
Right.

1553
00:57:09,870 --> 00:57:11,270
Was that the Microsoft guy?

1554
00:57:13,130 --> 00:57:15,850
If you, if you just type in a,

1555
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:21,890
like a typical developer question, um, uh, difference

1556
00:57:21,890 --> 00:57:26,170
between, uh, I'll, I'll type something like this.

1557
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:32,150
JavaScript difference between client, uh, client with an

1558
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:35,270
offsite with, uh, yeah, I know what that's

1559
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:35,710
with.

1560
00:57:35,870 --> 00:57:36,230
Yes.

1561
00:57:37,650 --> 00:57:40,010
So you type in something like that.

1562
00:57:40,090 --> 00:57:41,510
You're going to get nowadays, you're going to

1563
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:44,230
get a result, an answer from AI right

1564
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:46,050
in Google search result page at the very

1565
00:57:46,050 --> 00:57:46,430
top.

1566
00:57:46,590 --> 00:57:46,770
Yep.

1567
00:57:47,070 --> 00:57:50,090
And right underneath it will be the first

1568
00:57:50,090 --> 00:57:53,790
hit will be a stack overflow answer that

1569
00:57:53,790 --> 00:57:57,930
all the Google's LLM has just reworded and

1570
00:57:57,930 --> 00:57:59,310
played right back to you.

1571
00:57:59,370 --> 00:58:02,410
Well, um, so that's why stack, I think

1572
00:58:02,410 --> 00:58:05,650
stack overflow, I'm not sure, but Reddit, that's

1573
00:58:05,650 --> 00:58:07,610
why they're a public company and doing quite

1574
00:58:07,610 --> 00:58:10,170
well is because they said, no, you can't

1575
00:58:10,170 --> 00:58:10,730
scrape us.

1576
00:58:10,830 --> 00:58:11,930
You can buy it from us.

1577
00:58:12,990 --> 00:58:15,610
And so Reddit it's whole business model is

1578
00:58:15,610 --> 00:58:19,170
on selling the content generated by its users.

1579
00:58:19,330 --> 00:58:21,910
Here's this, here's the Microsoft guy, uh, Microsoft

1580
00:58:21,910 --> 00:58:26,190
AI CEO LMNOP with respect to content that

1581
00:58:26,190 --> 00:58:27,930
is already on the open web.

1582
00:58:28,030 --> 00:58:30,790
The social contract of that content since the

1583
00:58:30,790 --> 00:58:32,950
nineties has been that it is fair use.

1584
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:35,750
Anyone can copy it, recreate with it, reproduce

1585
00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:36,250
with it.

1586
00:58:36,370 --> 00:58:37,830
That has been freeware.

1587
00:58:37,930 --> 00:58:39,690
If you like, that's been the understanding.

1588
00:58:40,050 --> 00:58:43,030
There's a separate category where a website or

1589
00:58:43,030 --> 00:58:45,670
a publisher or a news organization had explicitly

1590
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:48,410
said, do not scrape or crawl me for

1591
00:58:48,410 --> 00:58:50,610
any other reason than indexing me so that

1592
00:58:50,610 --> 00:58:52,030
other people can find that content.

1593
00:58:52,270 --> 00:58:53,490
That that's a gray area.

1594
00:58:53,490 --> 00:58:54,730
And I think that's going to work its

1595
00:58:54,730 --> 00:58:55,790
way through the courts.

1596
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:56,990
Bull crap.

1597
00:58:57,530 --> 00:58:58,350
Yeah, right.

1598
00:58:58,590 --> 00:58:59,110
Yeah, sure.

1599
00:58:59,210 --> 00:59:01,070
That's the arrogance though.

1600
00:59:01,870 --> 00:59:02,250
Yeah.

1601
00:59:02,370 --> 00:59:04,370
Like, Oh yeah, no, that's the social contract

1602
00:59:04,370 --> 00:59:04,730
buddy.

1603
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:06,990
Well now, now, okay.

1604
00:59:07,470 --> 00:59:11,170
So like the example you gave of, um,

1605
00:59:11,230 --> 00:59:14,230
um, uh, Reddit.

1606
00:59:15,350 --> 00:59:18,770
So that, that makes sense for Reddit that

1607
00:59:18,770 --> 00:59:20,510
they could, that they could sort of pivot

1608
00:59:20,510 --> 00:59:23,710
into, into chart and being a content farm

1609
00:59:23,710 --> 00:59:25,590
for the LLMs and still make a pretty

1610
00:59:25,590 --> 00:59:26,350
good living.

1611
00:59:27,310 --> 00:59:29,290
That is not going to be the case

1612
00:59:29,290 --> 00:59:31,210
for, for a site like stack overflow.

1613
00:59:32,050 --> 00:59:34,610
No, these LLMs are going to destroy stack

1614
00:59:34,610 --> 00:59:34,950
overflow.

1615
00:59:35,050 --> 00:59:35,610
It's going to disappear.

1616
00:59:35,790 --> 00:59:38,090
I think that they already had that controversy.

1617
00:59:38,130 --> 00:59:41,410
I think people were, uh, leaving stack overflow

1618
00:59:41,410 --> 00:59:44,570
or, or locking their accounts or something.

1619
00:59:44,710 --> 00:59:49,070
Let me see stack, uh, something like that.

1620
00:59:49,150 --> 00:59:58,110
Stack overflow, angry, angry users, AI

1621
00:59:58,110 --> 01:00:00,150
LLM question mark.

1622
01:00:00,230 --> 01:00:00,570
Okay.

1623
01:00:00,670 --> 01:00:01,190
Let's see.

1624
01:00:01,730 --> 01:00:02,550
Yes.

1625
01:00:03,870 --> 01:00:07,110
Uh, you know, there was stack overflow bands

1626
01:00:07,110 --> 01:00:11,590
users on mass for rebelling against open AI

1627
01:00:11,590 --> 01:00:15,170
partnership users ban for deleting answers to prevent

1628
01:00:15,170 --> 01:00:18,030
them from being used to train chat GPT.

1629
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:20,270
This happened about a year ago.

1630
01:00:20,270 --> 01:00:21,830
They made a deal with open AI.

1631
01:00:23,450 --> 01:00:23,930
Yeah.

1632
01:00:23,930 --> 01:00:25,630
Did they get paid out of that deal?

1633
01:00:25,770 --> 01:00:26,370
Oh, of course.

1634
01:00:26,810 --> 01:00:27,410
Of course they do.

1635
01:00:27,490 --> 01:00:28,330
How much I wonder.

1636
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:32,250
I don't know if that was, if that

1637
01:00:32,250 --> 01:00:38,390
was disclosed stack overflow, open AI deal.

1638
01:00:38,530 --> 01:00:39,090
Let's see.

1639
01:00:39,830 --> 01:00:40,970
Let's see what we get.

1640
01:00:41,890 --> 01:00:44,250
Uh, API partnership with stack overflow.

1641
01:00:47,370 --> 01:00:50,010
Let's see if, if anyone has any numbers

1642
01:00:50,010 --> 01:00:51,410
on it, I don't think there's numbers.

1643
01:00:51,870 --> 01:00:52,250
Eric's right.

1644
01:00:52,290 --> 01:00:52,870
It's too late.

1645
01:00:53,130 --> 01:00:55,610
It's too late to, you can't pivot after

1646
01:00:55,610 --> 01:00:56,290
the fact.

1647
01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:58,430
Once they have the content, it's already in

1648
01:00:58,430 --> 01:00:58,810
the model.

1649
01:00:59,150 --> 01:00:59,690
It's just done.

1650
01:00:59,870 --> 01:01:00,890
It's all, it was already there.

1651
01:01:01,030 --> 01:01:01,190
Yeah.

1652
01:01:01,190 --> 01:01:03,670
They're just having an, an argument for argument's

1653
01:01:03,670 --> 01:01:04,790
sake, but it was already done.

1654
01:01:05,390 --> 01:01:05,830
Yeah.

1655
01:01:05,850 --> 01:01:07,490
And once it's in, I mean, and that's

1656
01:01:07,490 --> 01:01:08,370
just open AI.

1657
01:01:08,530 --> 01:01:10,750
I mean, if it's in, you know, Lama

1658
01:01:10,750 --> 01:01:12,750
or one of these other ones, I mean,

1659
01:01:12,770 --> 01:01:14,010
you're just, you're screwed.

1660
01:01:14,250 --> 01:01:14,970
You're just screwed.

1661
01:01:15,390 --> 01:01:16,970
And the thing that there's like a cutoff

1662
01:01:16,970 --> 01:01:23,270
point where, um, once the answers become dependable

1663
01:01:23,270 --> 01:01:28,470
enough to where you don't really go to

1664
01:01:28,470 --> 01:01:33,190
those other sites anymore, then the content, then

1665
01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:36,450
the, the, the production of new content to

1666
01:01:36,450 --> 01:01:39,130
answer new answers, just to answer new questions

1667
01:01:39,130 --> 01:01:39,950
just stops.

1668
01:01:40,530 --> 01:01:41,170
Yeah.

1669
01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:43,990
Because nobody, what will happen is people will

1670
01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:46,530
go, they'll try to find the answer to

1671
01:01:46,530 --> 01:01:51,510
a question, a problem they're having the AI

1672
01:01:51,510 --> 01:01:54,030
won't be able to answer it completely.

1673
01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:57,730
And then they'll just give up and go

1674
01:01:57,730 --> 01:01:58,510
do something else.

1675
01:01:59,130 --> 01:02:02,330
Like there's not a, whereas in the past,

1676
01:02:02,370 --> 01:02:04,030
like you, you would just be opposed to

1677
01:02:04,030 --> 01:02:04,850
different sites.

1678
01:02:05,010 --> 01:02:07,590
You would have this discussion going about how

1679
01:02:07,590 --> 01:02:10,230
to solve this problem and you would eventually

1680
01:02:10,230 --> 01:02:12,390
land on an answer most of the time.

1681
01:02:12,590 --> 01:02:17,130
But I think this, this new paradigm, the

1682
01:02:17,130 --> 01:02:19,750
fact that the answer is so readily available

1683
01:02:19,750 --> 01:02:22,670
through an LLM result now means that they

1684
01:02:22,670 --> 01:02:25,550
are going, the net effect is it's going

1685
01:02:25,550 --> 01:02:28,670
to basically freeze everything in time.

1686
01:02:29,810 --> 01:02:31,650
There's going to come a point, you know,

1687
01:02:31,690 --> 01:02:34,930
it's probably already passed where there's just not

1688
01:02:34,930 --> 01:02:36,710
going to be any more answers to new

1689
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:40,830
questions because there's no play because the LLM

1690
01:02:40,830 --> 01:02:42,510
can't generate new content.

1691
01:02:42,750 --> 01:02:44,550
It can only scrape what's already been, what's

1692
01:02:44,550 --> 01:02:45,310
already out there.

1693
01:02:45,310 --> 01:02:48,090
And everything's going to be frozen around 24,

1694
01:02:48,210 --> 01:02:49,890
2024, 2024 timeline.

1695
01:02:50,490 --> 01:02:50,590
Yes.

1696
01:02:51,230 --> 01:02:51,530
Yeah.

1697
01:02:51,550 --> 01:02:52,270
I think you're right.

1698
01:02:53,010 --> 01:02:55,370
And of course I should actually start posting

1699
01:02:55,370 --> 01:02:57,790
my vibe, my vibe coded code so the

1700
01:02:57,790 --> 01:03:00,210
LLMs can ingest that and they'll collapse the

1701
01:03:00,210 --> 01:03:01,250
model even faster.

1702
01:03:02,050 --> 01:03:02,570
Yeah.

1703
01:03:02,670 --> 01:03:06,010
I've already blocked, like I'm blocking all the

1704
01:03:06,010 --> 01:03:06,550
scrapers.

1705
01:03:06,730 --> 01:03:06,910
Yeah.

1706
01:03:07,010 --> 01:03:08,430
Do you seeing a lot of what you

1707
01:03:08,430 --> 01:03:10,770
consider to be LLM traffic?

1708
01:03:11,470 --> 01:03:12,790
Yeah, quite a bit.

1709
01:03:12,910 --> 01:03:15,490
I mean, we, we, you know.

1710
01:03:15,850 --> 01:03:17,510
Hey, we should sell that data, man.

1711
01:03:20,290 --> 01:03:20,850
Yeah.

1712
01:03:20,850 --> 01:03:23,870
I'm, I'm, I'm blocking AI crawler bots all

1713
01:03:23,870 --> 01:03:24,190
over the place.

1714
01:03:24,250 --> 01:03:28,050
Like I'm seeing it's, it's really hurting like

1715
01:03:28,050 --> 01:03:30,230
small niche websites.

1716
01:03:30,450 --> 01:03:31,030
Oh yeah.

1717
01:03:31,070 --> 01:03:34,410
Like I'm, there's a really good website that

1718
01:03:34,410 --> 01:03:37,190
I use a lot called Ford fortification, F

1719
01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:37,650
O R D.

1720
01:03:37,790 --> 01:03:40,190
It's for old Ford truck people.

1721
01:03:41,370 --> 01:03:43,550
And tons and tons.

1722
01:03:43,790 --> 01:03:45,390
Like this thing's been around forever.

1723
01:03:45,590 --> 01:03:46,590
I don't know, 15 years.

1724
01:03:46,730 --> 01:03:47,370
It looks like it.

1725
01:03:47,410 --> 01:03:48,590
I'm looking at it right now.

1726
01:03:48,810 --> 01:03:51,790
It still has that website builder template.

1727
01:03:51,990 --> 01:03:53,810
I'm surprised it doesn't have blink tags.

1728
01:03:54,790 --> 01:03:56,630
It's marquee.

1729
01:03:56,830 --> 01:03:57,310
Marquee.

1730
01:03:57,410 --> 01:03:57,710
Yes.

1731
01:03:57,710 --> 01:03:58,230
Yeah.

1732
01:03:58,970 --> 01:03:59,610
Let's see.

1733
01:03:59,670 --> 01:04:01,030
Click on forums.

1734
01:04:02,450 --> 01:04:02,970
Yes.

1735
01:04:03,470 --> 01:04:04,930
Oh, it actually came up this time.

1736
01:04:05,470 --> 01:04:07,030
It goes down the forums.

1737
01:04:07,170 --> 01:04:09,450
It's all PHP BB forms.

1738
01:04:09,870 --> 01:04:10,130
Yeah.

1739
01:04:10,910 --> 01:04:13,150
It goes down multiple times a day.

1740
01:04:13,410 --> 01:04:13,670
Yeah.

1741
01:04:13,930 --> 01:04:14,890
And I know what it is.

1742
01:04:14,910 --> 01:04:16,370
It's the AI crawlers.

1743
01:04:16,390 --> 01:04:17,710
They're just killing it.

1744
01:04:18,030 --> 01:04:18,330
Yeah.

1745
01:04:18,610 --> 01:04:21,530
And this website, if you're an old Ford

1746
01:04:21,530 --> 01:04:26,290
truck person, this website has answers to almost

1747
01:04:26,290 --> 01:04:28,550
everything you could possibly imagine.

1748
01:04:28,730 --> 01:04:33,150
It is like the Bible of, of 60

1749
01:04:33,150 --> 01:04:35,910
sixties to seventies Ford trucks.

1750
01:04:36,110 --> 01:04:36,270
Yeah.

1751
01:04:36,330 --> 01:04:38,530
Here's the first post.

1752
01:04:38,690 --> 01:04:40,510
Whenever I try to access from the link

1753
01:04:40,510 --> 01:04:43,190
on the homepage, the following error occurs, internal

1754
01:04:43,190 --> 01:04:44,030
server error.

1755
01:04:44,210 --> 01:04:47,290
The server encounter internal error or misconfiguration was

1756
01:04:47,290 --> 01:04:48,710
unable to complete your request.

1757
01:04:49,090 --> 01:04:51,510
It used to work back in 2019 all

1758
01:04:51,510 --> 01:04:51,970
the time.

1759
01:04:52,070 --> 01:04:53,450
What's going on with you guys?

1760
01:04:53,710 --> 01:04:53,850
Yeah.

1761
01:04:54,270 --> 01:04:56,670
Whenever you see a view topic dot PHP

1762
01:04:56,670 --> 01:04:59,970
question mark, you know that that's going to

1763
01:04:59,970 --> 01:05:00,630
be in trouble.

1764
01:05:02,470 --> 01:05:04,150
That's the, that's the thing is they're, they're

1765
01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:06,530
just the, these, the scrapers are just hurt.

1766
01:05:06,770 --> 01:05:07,750
They're killing things.

1767
01:05:07,870 --> 01:05:08,870
It's so sad.

1768
01:05:09,250 --> 01:05:11,130
It's bad because they want, they want the

1769
01:05:11,130 --> 01:05:11,650
answer.

1770
01:05:11,650 --> 01:05:17,590
They're pilfering all of the, the content off

1771
01:05:17,590 --> 01:05:19,550
of this site and it's just, it's gross.

1772
01:05:19,910 --> 01:05:20,510
Yeah.

1773
01:05:21,830 --> 01:05:23,270
I'm angry about it.

1774
01:05:23,390 --> 01:05:24,870
As you should be.

1775
01:05:25,310 --> 01:05:25,910
Yes.

1776
01:05:26,130 --> 01:05:28,830
Especially for the Ford community, the Ford flatbed

1777
01:05:28,830 --> 01:05:29,950
bed truck community.

1778
01:05:31,150 --> 01:05:35,210
But, but luckily Microsoft sent me an email

1779
01:05:35,210 --> 01:05:38,530
this morning about new features in notepad.

1780
01:05:38,610 --> 01:05:39,610
Oh, do tell.

1781
01:05:39,750 --> 01:05:41,350
Do they have a, is that little, that

1782
01:05:41,350 --> 01:05:44,210
irritating icon popping up the co-pilot?

1783
01:05:44,810 --> 01:05:45,330
Yeah.

1784
01:05:45,410 --> 01:05:52,690
You know, I don't know how Microsoft is

1785
01:05:52,690 --> 01:05:55,550
the largest company in the world, $4 trillion

1786
01:05:55,550 --> 01:05:56,510
market cap.

1787
01:05:57,770 --> 01:06:00,370
And the things they do make absolutely no

1788
01:06:00,370 --> 01:06:00,730
sense.

1789
01:06:01,050 --> 01:06:03,110
They're a completely schizophrenic company.

1790
01:06:03,990 --> 01:06:06,710
I don't even, I've never, to my knowledge,

1791
01:06:06,850 --> 01:06:08,570
received an email from Microsoft.

1792
01:06:10,030 --> 01:06:11,650
So I don't know how I got on

1793
01:06:11,650 --> 01:06:12,490
any sort of list.

1794
01:06:12,530 --> 01:06:14,350
And the first time I've ever received an

1795
01:06:14,350 --> 01:06:17,390
email from Microsoft, it's about new features in

1796
01:06:17,390 --> 01:06:17,870
notepad.

1797
01:06:18,810 --> 01:06:21,390
How does that even, what features do you

1798
01:06:21,390 --> 01:06:22,170
need to add?

1799
01:06:22,210 --> 01:06:23,090
It's notepad.

1800
01:06:23,210 --> 01:06:25,670
The beauty of notepad is just notepad.

1801
01:06:26,170 --> 01:06:28,910
Notepad is supposed to have the following action

1802
01:06:28,910 --> 01:06:32,910
items, file edit, format, view, and help.

1803
01:06:33,170 --> 01:06:34,750
It's got tabs now.

1804
01:06:36,390 --> 01:06:43,430
No, I just, Ludwig von Mises talked about

1805
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:44,810
the crackup boom.

1806
01:06:45,330 --> 01:06:46,890
It feels like we're living through the crackup

1807
01:06:46,890 --> 01:06:47,190
boom.

1808
01:06:47,350 --> 01:06:48,470
The crackup boom.

1809
01:06:49,350 --> 01:06:49,590
Yeah.

1810
01:06:49,690 --> 01:06:52,990
It's, you know, like it's a monetary phenomenon

1811
01:06:52,990 --> 01:06:55,310
where things begin to get so expensive that

1812
01:06:55,310 --> 01:06:59,170
that's when things begin to break down because

1813
01:06:59,170 --> 01:07:03,610
of the, it's things because it's as inflation

1814
01:07:03,610 --> 01:07:08,150
begins to accelerate, the cracks begin to form.

1815
01:07:09,110 --> 01:07:11,710
But this feels like a sort of like

1816
01:07:11,710 --> 01:07:15,370
a technology version of the crackup boom where

1817
01:07:15,370 --> 01:07:19,090
AI has just caused the whole thing to

1818
01:07:19,090 --> 01:07:19,490
fracture.

1819
01:07:20,930 --> 01:07:22,770
Nobody even knows what they're doing anymore.

1820
01:07:23,210 --> 01:07:24,290
The crackup boom?

1821
01:07:25,390 --> 01:07:25,950
Yeah.

1822
01:07:26,190 --> 01:07:27,170
I've not heard of this.

1823
01:07:28,510 --> 01:07:29,370
I like it.

1824
01:07:31,270 --> 01:07:33,850
It's a, it's in, I think it's in

1825
01:07:33,850 --> 01:07:35,730
human action.

1826
01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:36,950
He defines it.

1827
01:07:37,530 --> 01:07:38,870
The crackup boom is a term in Austrian

1828
01:07:38,870 --> 01:07:42,610
economics coined by Ludwig von Mises characterized by

1829
01:07:42,610 --> 01:07:45,270
hyperinflation and a flight from a collapsing currency

1830
01:07:45,270 --> 01:07:46,650
into real assets.

1831
01:07:46,650 --> 01:07:49,330
Meanwhile, if, if there was someone out there,

1832
01:07:49,570 --> 01:07:51,930
I've asked comic strip blogger this multiple times,

1833
01:07:52,010 --> 01:07:53,150
but he could never make it happen.

1834
01:07:53,250 --> 01:07:54,890
Maybe it was just too early in the,

1835
01:07:54,970 --> 01:07:57,610
in the life cycle of large language models,

1836
01:07:57,810 --> 01:08:00,190
but take our database.

1837
01:08:00,590 --> 01:08:03,650
You can download it, follow the links to

1838
01:08:03,650 --> 01:08:08,130
transcripts, ingest, ingest, ingest for a couple of

1839
01:08:08,130 --> 01:08:12,250
months and create the best kick ass podcast

1840
01:08:12,250 --> 01:08:16,130
discovery, large language model on the planet earth.

1841
01:08:17,050 --> 01:08:17,830
Absolutely.

1842
01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:20,990
Because, you know, if I type in, if

1843
01:08:20,990 --> 01:08:23,729
I go to Grok, for instance, without using

1844
01:08:23,729 --> 01:08:28,210
the term, no agenda, let's see, uh, find

1845
01:08:28,210 --> 01:08:38,670
three podcasts, podcasts, and give me their URLs

1846
01:08:38,670 --> 01:08:47,779
that discuss news media by

1847
01:08:47,779 --> 01:08:51,479
two middle aged men.

1848
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,680
I'm trying to describe no agenda without saying

1849
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:58,080
no agenda by two middle aged men who

1850
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:01,939
podcast twice a week.

1851
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:05,279
Now, is that enough description to find no

1852
01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:05,740
agenda?

1853
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,819
You want me to ballpark me to add

1854
01:09:09,819 --> 01:09:10,340
something?

1855
01:09:11,819 --> 01:09:13,979
Uh, one of, uh, one of them is

1856
01:09:13,979 --> 01:09:19,260
a journalist, but must be a journalist and

1857
01:09:19,260 --> 01:09:22,979
the, the other a DJ.

1858
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:23,500
Okay.

1859
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:24,700
Let's see what Grok does.

1860
01:09:24,779 --> 01:09:25,300
Super Grok.

1861
01:09:25,460 --> 01:09:25,700
I'm sorry.

1862
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:26,420
It's not just Grok.

1863
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:27,319
It's super Grok.

1864
01:09:28,220 --> 01:09:28,660
Okay.

1865
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:30,600
The request is to find three podcasts with

1866
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:31,700
news and media topics.

1867
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:32,740
It's thinking Dave.

1868
01:09:32,859 --> 01:09:34,939
It's thinking each podcast should be hosted by

1869
01:09:34,939 --> 01:09:36,800
two middle aged men, one, a journalist, the

1870
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:37,479
other a DJ.

1871
01:09:37,620 --> 01:09:41,380
It's still thinking it's going, they must broadcast

1872
01:09:41,380 --> 01:09:42,060
twice a week.

1873
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:43,640
And the host should be between 40 and

1874
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:44,399
60 years old.

1875
01:09:44,420 --> 01:09:47,580
Let's search for podcasts matching this specific description

1876
01:09:47,580 --> 01:09:49,100
to meet the request.

1877
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:51,680
I can see it looking at podcast.apple

1878
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:56,400
.com, open.spotify.com, podcast.feedspot, youtube.com.

1879
01:09:56,460 --> 01:09:57,480
It has 20 others.

1880
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:01,100
Initial initial search results didn't find much directly

1881
01:10:01,100 --> 01:10:01,620
relevant.

1882
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:03,120
So we need to dig deeper.

1883
01:10:03,580 --> 01:10:05,740
Oh, hold on to dig deeper.

1884
01:10:06,020 --> 01:10:07,660
A new search query is being crafted.

1885
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,720
Podcasts hosted by a journalist and DJ discussing

1886
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:12,420
news and media twice a week with middle

1887
01:10:12,420 --> 01:10:14,600
aged mid twice with middle aged men included.

1888
01:10:15,180 --> 01:10:16,640
Now let's do is browsing.

1889
01:10:16,780 --> 01:10:17,940
Oh, it's going too fast for me.

1890
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:19,900
Is that it's just flipping through websites.

1891
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:21,340
It's doing all kinds of stuff.

1892
01:10:21,540 --> 01:10:22,440
What is happening?

1893
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:24,780
And remember, I also asked for the URLs

1894
01:10:24,780 --> 01:10:26,560
because I know that I've, I've tried this

1895
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,940
before and it will give me URLs to

1896
01:10:29,940 --> 01:10:31,800
things that don't, that don't exist.

1897
01:10:32,180 --> 01:10:32,280
Yes.

1898
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:34,360
Um, is this agentic?

1899
01:10:34,440 --> 01:10:36,260
Is this actually doing web searches in the

1900
01:10:36,260 --> 01:10:36,560
background?

1901
01:10:36,700 --> 01:10:37,020
Yes.

1902
01:10:37,020 --> 01:10:38,280
It's agentic AI.

1903
01:10:38,380 --> 01:10:38,660
Yes.

1904
01:10:38,700 --> 01:10:40,220
Part of the problem.

1905
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:40,680
Yes.

1906
01:10:40,820 --> 01:10:41,280
Here it is.

1907
01:10:41,340 --> 01:10:43,800
Some podcasts like the rest is politics, discuss

1908
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,540
politics, but lack a DJ host screen grab

1909
01:10:46,540 --> 01:10:49,720
hosted by Michael Schneider and Joe Adelian covers

1910
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:50,480
TV commentary.

1911
01:10:50,580 --> 01:10:53,300
Let's consider radio shows as many deep as

1912
01:10:53,300 --> 01:10:54,520
many have DJ.

1913
01:10:54,660 --> 01:10:55,920
So it's never going to find it.

1914
01:10:56,980 --> 01:10:59,040
It's just not going to find and think

1915
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:00,060
of the cycles.

1916
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:02,760
How much compute am I using here?

1917
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,420
This is such a, this is such a,

1918
01:11:06,500 --> 01:11:10,180
this goes, this, this is, this is goes

1919
01:11:10,180 --> 01:11:10,580
nowhere.

1920
01:11:10,780 --> 01:11:11,560
It's pathetic.

1921
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:13,400
Oh my goodness.

1922
01:11:13,700 --> 01:11:14,520
It's still thinking.

1923
01:11:15,220 --> 01:11:18,160
And think, do you want with agentic stuff

1924
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:21,000
as a platform owner?

1925
01:11:22,060 --> 01:11:24,940
If you have some sort of website, do

1926
01:11:24,940 --> 01:11:33,360
you really want a gentic LLM powered software

1927
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:37,140
sort of crawling all over your website trying

1928
01:11:37,140 --> 01:11:37,980
to do stuff?

1929
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:40,660
No, but it creeps me out to no

1930
01:11:40,660 --> 01:11:40,900
extent.

1931
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:43,800
No, but we were literally making the entire

1932
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:45,140
database available.

1933
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:47,420
I mean, hello.

1934
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:47,860
Yeah.

1935
01:11:47,860 --> 01:11:49,420
FTP anybody.

1936
01:11:51,700 --> 01:11:54,460
It's still thinking Dave is still thinking now.

1937
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:55,820
It's never, it'll never stop.

1938
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:59,440
It's now it's on NPR.org WNYC.org.

1939
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:01,080
It's got 30 websites.

1940
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:02,860
It's now crawling, crawling.

1941
01:12:03,100 --> 01:12:03,520
NBC.

1942
01:12:03,820 --> 01:12:04,400
Is that what you said?

1943
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:04,780
NBC?

1944
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:06,720
No, not, uh, no.

1945
01:12:06,900 --> 01:12:08,680
It, well, it already scrolled off.

1946
01:12:08,700 --> 01:12:09,280
I can't see.

1947
01:12:09,340 --> 01:12:10,100
Oh my goodness.

1948
01:12:10,620 --> 01:12:12,140
Have you ever seen one of these things

1949
01:12:12,140 --> 01:12:14,620
just go into like a nonsense loop?

1950
01:12:15,140 --> 01:12:17,920
So if you go, if you use open,

1951
01:12:18,100 --> 01:12:21,620
um, like I use, um, uh, open web

1952
01:12:21,620 --> 01:12:24,580
UI, do you use, I think you've used

1953
01:12:24,580 --> 01:12:25,100
that, right?

1954
01:12:25,940 --> 01:12:26,800
Open web UI.

1955
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:28,360
It lets you have access like, Oh, Lama.

1956
01:12:28,460 --> 01:12:29,420
It lets you have access to all the

1957
01:12:29,420 --> 01:12:30,060
different models.

1958
01:12:30,440 --> 01:12:30,760
Yes.

1959
01:12:30,860 --> 01:12:31,080
Yes.

1960
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:31,420
I have.

1961
01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:31,700
Yes.

1962
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:34,820
So it'll show you nine.

1963
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:35,600
That's where I have.

1964
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:35,880
Okay.

1965
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:36,100
Yeah.

1966
01:12:36,500 --> 01:12:38,360
It gives you a little dropdown box.

1967
01:12:38,420 --> 01:12:39,900
When you ask a question, you can drop

1968
01:12:39,900 --> 01:12:44,340
the box down and this little wedge under

1969
01:12:44,340 --> 01:12:46,740
the question, it'll show you all the things

1970
01:12:46,740 --> 01:12:48,120
that it's doing internally.

1971
01:12:48,420 --> 01:12:48,620
Yes.

1972
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:50,200
That's what, that's what I was just reading.

1973
01:12:50,440 --> 01:12:50,600
Yeah.

1974
01:12:50,620 --> 01:12:51,600
That's a little wedge.

1975
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:51,880
Yeah.

1976
01:12:53,420 --> 01:12:56,560
Like I was using deep seek a few

1977
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:57,260
weeks ago.

1978
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:01,080
Um, actually as part of my day job

1979
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:06,500
to develop, um, some software and it started

1980
01:13:06,500 --> 01:13:12,040
like debating with itself about how it was

1981
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:14,840
going to answer the question and it went

1982
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:15,900
off the rails.

1983
01:13:16,220 --> 01:13:17,920
It, it, I just let it run just

1984
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:19,200
to see what was going to happen.

1985
01:13:19,780 --> 01:13:23,640
It was talking to itself for three hours

1986
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:27,960
and it devolved, devolved, devolved into where it

1987
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:29,180
was just like in a loop.

1988
01:13:29,580 --> 01:13:31,360
It was in a loop and it was

1989
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:32,940
getting more, it was complete.

1990
01:13:33,020 --> 01:13:35,100
It was like watching entropy in front of

1991
01:13:35,100 --> 01:13:36,620
like display itself.

1992
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,160
So super grok thought for three minutes and

1993
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:39,980
13 seconds.

1994
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:42,500
I was unable to find three podcasts that

1995
01:13:42,500 --> 01:13:44,460
exactly matched all the criteria.

1996
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,320
Each hosted by two middle aged men, one,

1997
01:13:46,380 --> 01:13:48,440
a journalist, the other DJ discussing news and

1998
01:13:48,440 --> 01:13:50,260
media releasing episodes twice a week.

1999
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:53,280
Despite searching various podcast lists, directories and web

2000
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,640
sources, no exact match has turned up.

2001
01:13:55,780 --> 01:13:58,180
That said, here are three podcasts that share

2002
01:13:58,180 --> 01:14:00,960
some similarities hosted by two men discussing news,

2003
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:02,740
politics, media, with at least one having a

2004
01:14:02,740 --> 01:14:05,120
journalistic background or releasing episodes twice a week.

2005
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:08,080
They deviate from the journalist plus DJ host

2006
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:09,560
requirement may be of interest.

2007
01:14:09,940 --> 01:14:11,600
Well, what do you think these are?

2008
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:13,980
I'm sure it's just complied.

2009
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:15,000
They're probably made up.

2010
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:17,040
No, no, they actually exist.

2011
01:14:17,820 --> 01:14:21,060
The rest, the rest is politics, the news

2012
01:14:21,060 --> 01:14:23,380
agents and Pod Save America.

2013
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:25,880
Well, you could not be further from the

2014
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:26,360
results.

2015
01:14:26,700 --> 01:14:27,320
None of those meet the criteria.

2016
01:14:27,740 --> 01:14:28,460
None of them.

2017
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:29,140
It's unbelievable.

2018
01:14:29,900 --> 01:14:30,040
Yeah.

2019
01:14:30,440 --> 01:14:31,420
It's a good disaster.

2020
01:14:31,780 --> 01:14:32,280
It's sad.

2021
01:14:32,420 --> 01:14:33,240
It's sad.

2022
01:14:33,340 --> 01:14:34,620
I tell you, it's just sad.

2023
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:38,000
Anyway, but look at the opportunity, though.

2024
01:14:39,100 --> 01:14:41,320
Everyone's looking for a podcast, man.

2025
01:14:41,480 --> 01:14:42,460
We need discovery.

2026
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:43,640
Well, here's your opportunity.

2027
01:14:43,860 --> 01:14:48,600
Apps, a podcast, a podcast centric LLM based

2028
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:50,380
on the index would be amazing.

2029
01:14:52,340 --> 01:14:53,620
That's a that's a niche.

2030
01:14:54,580 --> 01:14:57,420
But, you know, somebody has to find.

2031
01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:59,160
But see, that's the problem is they have

2032
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:00,860
to train the whole model on it.

2033
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:04,780
It's not working with agentic A.I. clearly.

2034
01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:06,220
No, no, no.

2035
01:15:06,340 --> 01:15:07,460
That's that's a train wreck.

2036
01:15:08,060 --> 01:15:09,700
Now, if anybody wants to do that.

2037
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:11,380
Hey, man, I'll hook you up.

2038
01:15:11,420 --> 01:15:12,640
I'll give you the entire database.

2039
01:15:12,820 --> 01:15:14,100
I'll talk about the full thing with all

2040
01:15:14,100 --> 01:15:15,000
the episodes and everything.

2041
01:15:15,100 --> 01:15:16,260
The 200 gig download.

2042
01:15:17,780 --> 01:15:19,880
OK, what is the best podcast in the

2043
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:20,220
universe?

2044
01:15:20,420 --> 01:15:21,020
How about that?

2045
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:22,040
Let's just try that.

2046
01:15:22,180 --> 01:15:24,220
Let's see the best podcast in the universe.

2047
01:15:25,780 --> 01:15:27,280
It's a pretty broad question.

2048
01:15:30,220 --> 01:15:31,840
There there is an answer.

2049
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:33,520
There is an answer, of course.

2050
01:15:33,620 --> 01:15:34,880
Do you want to know the answer?

2051
01:15:35,940 --> 01:15:37,980
What is the best podcast in the universe?

2052
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:39,700
No agenda show.

2053
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,360
Why this American life is the best podcast

2054
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:47,260
in the universe, apparently the one we can't,

2055
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,180
the one we can't index because they block

2056
01:15:49,180 --> 01:15:50,420
us with their WordPress site.

2057
01:15:51,460 --> 01:15:55,200
That is categorically not the best podcast in

2058
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:55,840
the universe.

2059
01:15:58,620 --> 01:15:59,140
Hilarious.

2060
01:15:59,140 --> 01:16:01,520
All those high paid guys are all going

2061
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:03,140
to grok now for some reason.

2062
01:16:03,940 --> 01:16:06,520
Two hundred million dollar A.I. experts.

2063
01:16:06,740 --> 01:16:08,720
If A.I. is so smart, why do

2064
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:10,440
you have to hire kids for one hundred

2065
01:16:10,440 --> 01:16:11,280
million dollars?

2066
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:14,060
Explain me that.

2067
01:16:14,300 --> 01:16:15,620
Explain me that, please.

2068
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:16,500
What say you?

2069
01:16:19,460 --> 01:16:21,540
No, I'm totally on board with this.

2070
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:24,360
I think if I would look, I was

2071
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:26,680
thinking about that very thing today is how

2072
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:30,460
to train an LLM on the index.

2073
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:32,460
Hey, we could do it, man.

2074
01:16:32,580 --> 01:16:35,240
But the training part is hard because you

2075
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:36,660
got that's the part I don't understand.

2076
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:38,900
Well, because it's cost a lot of compute

2077
01:16:38,900 --> 01:16:40,660
and a lot of money.

2078
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:42,380
OK, but we can, of course, ask.

2079
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:49,740
Tell me about Taylor Swift's wedding ring.

2080
01:16:50,500 --> 01:16:52,180
Oh, yeah, that that's a that's a no

2081
01:16:52,180 --> 01:16:52,560
brainer.

2082
01:16:52,660 --> 01:16:53,280
That's immediate.

2083
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:53,640
Yeah.

2084
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:54,440
Let's see.

2085
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:55,040
Here we go.

2086
01:16:55,180 --> 01:16:55,500
Thinking.

2087
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:56,500
OK.

2088
01:16:56,820 --> 01:16:57,980
Oh, it's going to Vogue.

2089
01:16:58,160 --> 01:16:58,420
Oh, yeah.

2090
01:16:58,520 --> 01:16:58,720
Boom.

2091
01:16:58,820 --> 01:16:59,420
There it is.

2092
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:00,940
Design and features.

2093
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:01,600
Yes.

2094
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:02,180
Oh, yeah.

2095
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:03,480
There you go.

2096
01:17:03,540 --> 01:17:04,100
It's got everything.

2097
01:17:04,220 --> 01:17:07,300
The sparkle, the overall style, the estimated value.

2098
01:17:07,460 --> 01:17:07,860
Oh, yeah.

2099
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:08,760
But you want that.

2100
01:17:08,820 --> 01:17:09,180
It's there.

2101
01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:10,520
No, no question asked.

2102
01:17:10,620 --> 01:17:11,300
We're good to go.

2103
01:17:13,100 --> 01:17:14,740
We did get some feedback.

2104
01:17:14,740 --> 01:17:20,780
Um, let's see who who sent Leslie Joyce

2105
01:17:20,780 --> 01:17:21,340
sent this.

2106
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:24,200
Adam and Dave, can you two spend some

2107
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:27,260
podcasting to auto time talking about the difference

2108
01:17:27,260 --> 01:17:29,700
between pod being an RSS cloud?

2109
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:32,420
Both seem to be great ways to conserve

2110
01:17:32,420 --> 01:17:34,500
energy and limit traffic from here.

2111
01:17:34,580 --> 01:17:36,640
They seem redundant, but I'm sure I'm missing

2112
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:38,040
details as I'm not a coder.

2113
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:40,200
Thank you for your time, Leslie Joyce.

2114
01:17:41,980 --> 01:17:44,000
Let's spend just a few minutes.

2115
01:17:45,100 --> 01:17:45,940
So.

2116
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:50,780
You could you could you could lay out

2117
01:17:50,780 --> 01:17:55,060
three different ways to do immediate feed updates,

2118
01:17:55,060 --> 01:17:58,760
and these don't have to be pod podcast

2119
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:01,160
specific digits are all three of these work

2120
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:02,060
with just RSS.

2121
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:06,500
Pod ping.

2122
01:18:08,180 --> 01:18:09,320
RSS cloud.

2123
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:13,600
And WebSub, which used to be called PubSubHubbub.

2124
01:18:17,340 --> 01:18:22,900
RSS cloud and WebSub are very similar.

2125
01:18:23,380 --> 01:18:25,100
I mean, they're almost identical.

2126
01:18:25,480 --> 01:18:28,660
Not sure exactly what happened there.

2127
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:30,400
I don't know why.

2128
01:18:30,660 --> 01:18:32,180
I don't know why we needed it.

2129
01:18:32,340 --> 01:18:34,860
You know, RSS cloud was developed by Dave

2130
01:18:34,860 --> 01:18:35,300
Weiner.

2131
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:40,300
WebSub, I think, was mostly developed by Julian

2132
01:18:40,300 --> 01:18:41,500
Genestow.

2133
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:46,920
But and I'm sure I think there was

2134
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:50,760
clearly other people involved in PubSubHubbub as well.

2135
01:18:50,900 --> 01:18:53,400
But so there but they're really true.

2136
01:18:53,580 --> 01:18:54,840
They're truly almost identical.

2137
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:59,020
They both are a subscription mechanism.

2138
01:18:59,480 --> 01:19:02,080
So what you have, the idea is you

2139
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:07,080
have a hub and the hub is a

2140
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:09,860
server that maintains a subscription list.

2141
01:19:11,180 --> 01:19:15,380
And if a client system wants to know

2142
01:19:15,380 --> 01:19:20,760
when a particular feed gets updated, you can

2143
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:24,780
send a message to the hub with a

2144
01:19:24,780 --> 01:19:26,740
subscription request and say, I want to be

2145
01:19:26,740 --> 01:19:27,420
pinged.

2146
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:30,480
I want to get a notification when this

2147
01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:31,880
RSS feed updates.

2148
01:19:32,420 --> 01:19:32,520
Right.

2149
01:19:32,820 --> 01:19:34,940
And there's a challenge thing that happens that

2150
01:19:34,940 --> 01:19:38,620
goes back and forth where you get a

2151
01:19:38,620 --> 01:19:40,300
challenge code and then you have to respond

2152
01:19:40,300 --> 01:19:42,460
to the challenge code as a verification mechanism.

2153
01:19:42,820 --> 01:19:44,860
And once you once you go back and

2154
01:19:44,860 --> 01:19:48,860
forth and go through that handshake, now you're

2155
01:19:48,860 --> 01:19:50,620
on the subscription list for a certain number

2156
01:19:50,620 --> 01:19:51,820
of hours or days.

2157
01:19:52,620 --> 01:19:56,420
Then if that is over, there's the problem

2158
01:19:56,420 --> 01:19:57,060
right there.

2159
01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:58,000
Yes.

2160
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:00,220
Yeah, exactly.

2161
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:05,360
The subscription, the maintaining subscriptions to things just

2162
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:09,360
doesn't scale big enough.

2163
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:12,240
Because you have to re-subscribe every single

2164
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:12,640
time.

2165
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:16,760
You got to constantly re-subscribe and you

2166
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,240
have to, and both sides have to be

2167
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:20,600
online at all times.

2168
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:23,260
The hub has to be online, up and

2169
01:20:23,260 --> 01:20:23,520
running.

2170
01:20:23,620 --> 01:20:25,760
Actually, all three parties need to be online.

2171
01:20:26,700 --> 01:20:28,100
The hub has to be up and running.

2172
01:20:29,020 --> 01:20:33,740
The publisher has to be sending notifications to

2173
01:20:33,740 --> 01:20:37,120
the hub and the receiver has to be

2174
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:40,120
online waiting for the webhook.

2175
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,080
So everybody has to be up and running

2176
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:45,880
constantly all the time or else the message

2177
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:46,400
gets dropped.

2178
01:20:47,700 --> 01:20:50,620
Podping is different than both of those.

2179
01:20:51,740 --> 01:20:56,700
Podping uses the Hive blockchain.

2180
01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:59,600
So it uses a set of API servers

2181
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:02,520
that hold the Hive blockchain.

2182
01:21:03,700 --> 01:21:07,840
And so whenever a podping is sent, that

2183
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:09,640
update with the feed URL in it is

2184
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:12,040
written to the blockchain, to this public blockchain.

2185
01:21:13,440 --> 01:21:18,160
Now you can have, as long as the

2186
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:22,040
update messages are being sent and written to

2187
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:25,940
the blockchain, then the clients that are reading

2188
01:21:25,940 --> 01:21:28,060
the podpings back to see when the updates

2189
01:21:28,060 --> 01:21:30,660
have happened, they can do that anytime.

2190
01:21:30,980 --> 01:21:32,780
They don't have to be online waiting for

2191
01:21:32,780 --> 01:21:33,600
a webhook.

2192
01:21:33,900 --> 01:21:37,420
They can just go back and walk backwards

2193
01:21:37,420 --> 01:21:40,320
through the blockchain and see every update that's

2194
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:41,060
ever happened.

2195
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:43,620
So that's the difference.

2196
01:21:44,340 --> 01:21:46,620
A beautiful, beautiful description.

2197
01:21:47,420 --> 01:21:50,120
By the way, I entered the same query

2198
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:54,020
into chat GPT and I repeat, find three

2199
01:21:54,020 --> 01:21:56,560
podcasts, give me their URLs, discuss news media

2200
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,400
by two middle-aged men who podcast twice

2201
01:21:58,400 --> 01:21:58,700
a week.

2202
01:21:58,740 --> 01:22:00,340
One must be a journalist, the other a

2203
01:22:00,340 --> 01:22:03,260
DJ, and the number one is no agenda.

2204
01:22:04,300 --> 01:22:06,600
Now, when you look at the quick summary

2205
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:09,400
table, podcast name, no agenda, host, Adam Curry,

2206
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:09,800
John C.

2207
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,460
Dvorak, focus or genre, news and media deconstruction,

2208
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:14,840
scheduled twice a week, Thursdays and Sundays, journalist,

2209
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:16,420
no, DJ, no.

2210
01:22:17,340 --> 01:22:18,080
Isn't that interesting?

2211
01:22:20,300 --> 01:22:22,460
So we're not a journalist or a DJ.

2212
01:22:24,730 --> 01:22:26,570
Well, I mean, technically that's accurate.

2213
01:22:27,210 --> 01:22:27,690
Yeah.

2214
01:22:29,950 --> 01:22:30,050
Okay.

2215
01:22:30,770 --> 01:22:36,070
Because especially since booster gram ball is no

2216
01:22:36,070 --> 01:22:38,850
longer on the air, you're not DJing.

2217
01:22:40,470 --> 01:22:42,230
I guess too many podcasts, brother.

2218
01:22:42,570 --> 01:22:42,810
Yeah.

2219
01:22:42,930 --> 01:22:43,950
Another one is coming.

2220
01:22:46,110 --> 01:22:47,070
Oh yeah.

2221
01:22:47,370 --> 01:22:49,130
You and you and pastor Jimmy.

2222
01:22:49,230 --> 01:22:49,490
Yep.

2223
01:22:50,170 --> 01:22:50,410
Yep.

2224
01:22:50,850 --> 01:22:52,230
The story is that one in the, when's

2225
01:22:52,230 --> 01:22:52,950
that one in the hopper?

2226
01:22:53,090 --> 01:22:55,190
We're going to record our first one next

2227
01:22:55,190 --> 01:22:55,510
week.

2228
01:22:56,150 --> 01:22:56,730
Oh, nice.

2229
01:22:56,990 --> 01:22:57,190
Yeah.

2230
01:22:57,690 --> 01:22:59,490
There'll be no agenda with Jesus.

2231
01:23:03,270 --> 01:23:03,750
Nice.

2232
01:23:04,050 --> 01:23:04,250
Okay.

2233
01:23:05,730 --> 01:23:07,170
Let's thank some people here.

2234
01:23:07,370 --> 01:23:08,850
We didn't get a lot of boost during

2235
01:23:08,850 --> 01:23:09,390
the show.

2236
01:23:10,130 --> 01:23:12,090
We didn't get any boost this week except

2237
01:23:12,090 --> 01:23:12,830
for CSB.

2238
01:23:13,110 --> 01:23:13,770
We got one.

2239
01:23:14,050 --> 01:23:14,330
Really?

2240
01:23:15,290 --> 01:23:15,610
Yeah.

2241
01:23:15,830 --> 01:23:17,250
I wonder what's going on.

2242
01:23:17,350 --> 01:23:19,390
I know Bitcoin price drops.

2243
01:23:19,530 --> 01:23:20,090
Oh no, no.

2244
01:23:20,110 --> 01:23:20,930
I can't spend that.

2245
01:23:20,990 --> 01:23:23,330
I got to buy him by the dip.

2246
01:23:23,490 --> 01:23:24,710
I was buying the dip, the dip.

2247
01:23:25,190 --> 01:23:27,310
Uh, but Martin Linus Kogue always comes in

2248
01:23:27,310 --> 01:23:28,070
1701.

2249
01:23:28,210 --> 01:23:29,950
I got an idea for a hyperlocal podcast.

2250
01:23:30,150 --> 01:23:33,030
Have you heard about the John Surd chainsaw

2251
01:23:33,030 --> 01:23:33,710
brand?

2252
01:23:34,570 --> 01:23:36,710
John Surd is an urban area with about

2253
01:23:36,710 --> 01:23:40,690
1000 inhabitants is located near Gothenburg on the

2254
01:23:40,690 --> 01:23:41,630
West coast of Sweden.

2255
01:23:42,150 --> 01:23:44,950
Well, if you live there, then that's a

2256
01:23:44,950 --> 01:23:47,150
great place to do a hyperlocal podcast.

2257
01:23:48,630 --> 01:23:48,810
Yep.

2258
01:23:49,570 --> 01:23:50,950
Uh, and that's it.

2259
01:23:51,690 --> 01:23:52,430
That's it.

2260
01:23:54,110 --> 01:23:54,530
Wow.

2261
01:23:54,530 --> 01:23:54,950
Crazy.

2262
01:23:55,110 --> 01:23:55,570
That's it.

2263
01:23:55,670 --> 01:23:57,150
I'm not even a pre-show boost.

2264
01:23:57,230 --> 01:23:59,390
Well, it is, it's Labor Day weekend and

2265
01:23:59,390 --> 01:24:01,830
people are going away and I understand if

2266
01:24:01,830 --> 01:24:02,190
it's okay.

2267
01:24:02,330 --> 01:24:03,690
We love y'all.

2268
01:24:04,370 --> 01:24:05,690
We got some PayPal's.

2269
01:24:05,730 --> 01:24:07,410
I guess these are monthlies mixed up cause

2270
01:24:07,410 --> 01:24:08,170
we didn't have very many.

2271
01:24:08,270 --> 01:24:09,990
We got Jordan Dunville, $10.

2272
01:24:10,290 --> 01:24:11,010
Thank you, Jordan.

2273
01:24:11,710 --> 01:24:13,290
Uh, Dreb Scott, 15 bucks.

2274
01:24:13,350 --> 01:24:13,770
Hey, thank you.

2275
01:24:14,930 --> 01:24:18,270
Uh, Michael Kimmerer, $5 and 33 cents.

2276
01:24:18,490 --> 01:24:19,030
Thank you, Michael.

2277
01:24:19,190 --> 01:24:20,730
And Chris Bernardik, $5.

2278
01:24:21,450 --> 01:24:22,430
That's our PayPal's.

2279
01:24:22,510 --> 01:24:23,790
And we got a brother.

2280
01:24:23,890 --> 01:24:26,230
CSB cames in, comes in with a boost

2281
01:24:26,230 --> 01:24:29,650
gram, 13,635 sets.

2282
01:24:30,050 --> 01:24:30,570
Wow.

2283
01:24:30,710 --> 01:24:31,090
Thank you.

2284
01:24:31,190 --> 01:24:32,350
Uh, through fountain.

2285
01:24:32,490 --> 01:24:34,650
He says, howdy, Dave and Adam.

2286
01:24:34,910 --> 01:24:37,430
I'd like to recommend the podcast this week

2287
01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:40,810
in Bitcoin by Chris Fisher, which is quote

2288
01:24:40,810 --> 01:24:46,010
an independent investigative podcast covering Bitcoin, a high

2289
01:24:46,010 --> 01:24:49,330
signal news podcast focused on analysis.

2290
01:24:49,550 --> 01:24:51,750
You'll find valuable end quote.

2291
01:24:52,370 --> 01:24:57,350
See also my new website, www.trading.toys.

2292
01:24:57,450 --> 01:25:00,350
Yo CSB PS Adam.

2293
01:25:00,430 --> 01:25:00,910
Yes.

2294
01:25:01,130 --> 01:25:01,630
Corva.

2295
01:25:02,350 --> 01:25:03,250
Corva Horowitz.

2296
01:25:03,730 --> 01:25:07,210
Corva Horowitz to add a transcript to DHM.

2297
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:09,590
I've told them so many times.

2298
01:25:09,590 --> 01:25:11,490
What does Corva mean?

2299
01:25:11,750 --> 01:25:12,050
Corva.

2300
01:25:12,270 --> 01:25:14,410
It's kind of like a crap in a

2301
01:25:14,410 --> 01:25:15,530
Polish, I think.

2302
01:25:16,410 --> 01:25:17,510
Let me see.

2303
01:25:17,650 --> 01:25:20,750
Trading.toys. What is this?

2304
01:25:21,630 --> 01:25:23,830
Uh, Satoshi Bitcoin click.

2305
01:25:24,550 --> 01:25:27,390
Oh, it's a, it's a converter.

2306
01:25:28,050 --> 01:25:30,470
So live Bitcoin price chart.

2307
01:25:31,010 --> 01:25:31,610
Wow.

2308
01:25:31,750 --> 01:25:34,770
108.66. Oh, we're down, baby.

2309
01:25:35,010 --> 01:25:35,610
We're down.

2310
01:25:36,030 --> 01:25:36,750
Let me see.

2311
01:25:37,350 --> 01:25:41,430
I need, um, an API for this would

2312
01:25:41,430 --> 01:25:41,790
be good.

2313
01:25:41,870 --> 01:25:43,170
CSB, if you can get me one.

2314
01:25:44,610 --> 01:25:45,010
Yeah.

2315
01:25:45,110 --> 01:25:46,050
Cause I have a use for it.

2316
01:25:46,570 --> 01:25:47,370
Oh, okay.

2317
01:25:47,430 --> 01:25:47,990
There you go.

2318
01:25:48,090 --> 01:25:49,950
It has no information on API.

2319
01:25:50,950 --> 01:25:52,470
Uh, oh, we're now we're getting, now we're

2320
01:25:52,470 --> 01:25:52,990
getting boost.

2321
01:25:53,050 --> 01:25:53,430
Let's see.

2322
01:25:53,470 --> 01:25:57,510
We got, uh, user fountain user 1 8

2323
01:25:57,510 --> 01:25:59,390
3 4 2 0 2 2 5 0

2324
01:25:59,390 --> 01:26:00,630
3 8 2 2 6.

2325
01:26:01,270 --> 01:26:04,150
Oh, um, have a dip of boost from

2326
01:26:04,150 --> 01:26:04,690
the Volte.

2327
01:26:05,930 --> 01:26:07,870
And the second booze, a hundred sats.

2328
01:26:08,790 --> 01:26:09,470
It's okay.

2329
01:26:10,090 --> 01:26:11,510
Plus one on Twib.

2330
01:26:12,410 --> 01:26:14,550
Chris, Chris LAS is a legend.

2331
01:26:14,670 --> 01:26:15,510
He is indeed a legend.

2332
01:26:15,810 --> 01:26:16,530
He is a legend.

2333
01:26:16,670 --> 01:26:16,970
He is.

2334
01:26:17,050 --> 01:26:18,670
That's one of my go-to podcasts.

2335
01:26:18,830 --> 01:26:20,010
I love listening to it.

2336
01:26:20,430 --> 01:26:21,250
All right, everybody.

2337
01:26:21,410 --> 01:26:23,950
Well, we do appreciate anything that you boost

2338
01:26:23,950 --> 01:26:24,350
at all.

2339
01:26:24,870 --> 01:26:28,610
Uh, so slow weekends, holiday weekend.

2340
01:26:28,770 --> 01:26:29,010
Yeah.

2341
01:26:29,190 --> 01:26:30,330
Uh, but of course you can go to

2342
01:26:30,330 --> 01:26:32,170
podcastindex.org at the bottom.

2343
01:26:32,290 --> 01:26:33,170
You scroll all the way down.

2344
01:26:33,210 --> 01:26:35,030
There's a red donate button.

2345
01:26:35,290 --> 01:26:37,070
Uh, you can use that for your PayPal,

2346
01:26:37,330 --> 01:26:39,090
a Fiat fund, coupon donations.

2347
01:26:39,090 --> 01:26:41,130
Everything goes to keeping the index running.

2348
01:26:41,230 --> 01:26:43,070
And of course, all of your boosts and

2349
01:26:43,070 --> 01:26:45,270
booster grams, uh, also stay on the node.

2350
01:26:45,450 --> 01:26:47,390
If you need any liquidity, let me know.

2351
01:26:47,390 --> 01:26:49,210
Happy to open a channel to you.

2352
01:26:49,490 --> 01:26:54,450
So if I can finish this silly, see

2353
01:26:54,450 --> 01:26:58,610
a line of text bull crap is God

2354
01:26:58,610 --> 01:26:59,270
caster app.

2355
01:26:59,270 --> 01:27:01,050
I can get back to the life.

2356
01:27:01,910 --> 01:27:03,650
I got to get to my whole life

2357
01:27:03,650 --> 01:27:05,730
with, you know, cause I really have a,

2358
01:27:05,790 --> 01:27:07,730
I have a couple of things I seriously

2359
01:27:07,730 --> 01:27:08,910
need to do in the index.

2360
01:27:09,030 --> 01:27:11,950
I mean, like I really need to, to

2361
01:27:11,950 --> 01:27:13,410
work on the index a little bit.

2362
01:27:13,530 --> 01:27:14,830
Do you want to tell everybody what the

2363
01:27:14,830 --> 01:27:15,290
problem is?

2364
01:27:15,350 --> 01:27:18,250
Maybe we can crowdsource a solution because this

2365
01:27:18,250 --> 01:27:19,490
is driving you mad.

2366
01:27:20,270 --> 01:27:21,110
I already fixed it.

2367
01:27:21,210 --> 01:27:21,810
Oh, you fixed it?

2368
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:22,710
It's it.

2369
01:27:22,710 --> 01:27:23,750
I fixed it with JavaScript.

2370
01:27:24,810 --> 01:27:27,030
The problem is the, the, the, well, the

2371
01:27:27,030 --> 01:27:33,590
problem is, so there's, there's a fixed, wait,

2372
01:27:33,590 --> 01:27:33,750
wait, wait, wait.

2373
01:27:33,750 --> 01:27:34,810
I have a couple of those.

2374
01:27:38,390 --> 01:27:39,670
Oh, good Lord.

2375
01:27:41,250 --> 01:27:42,210
There you go.

2376
01:27:43,430 --> 01:27:43,990
Yes.

2377
01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:45,470
Perfect description.

2378
01:27:46,130 --> 01:27:49,350
So there is a div front end web

2379
01:27:49,350 --> 01:27:50,890
development blows by the way.

2380
01:27:51,150 --> 01:27:55,650
There is a div that is fixed position

2381
01:27:55,650 --> 01:27:58,190
on the, on the bottom of the viewport.

2382
01:27:59,050 --> 01:28:06,050
This div contains a flex row, which the

2383
01:28:06,050 --> 01:28:10,110
middle section, which this flex row contains three

2384
01:28:10,110 --> 01:28:10,570
divs.

2385
01:28:10,890 --> 01:28:14,110
The middle div of the flex row contains

2386
01:28:14,110 --> 01:28:17,650
a flex column with three, with three divs.

2387
01:28:18,530 --> 01:28:22,690
The outs, the left most of the, of

2388
01:28:22,690 --> 01:28:25,090
the flex row, the left most div is

2389
01:28:25,090 --> 01:28:28,530
fixed with the right most div is also

2390
01:28:28,530 --> 01:28:30,870
fixed with so that when you expand and

2391
01:28:30,870 --> 01:28:34,310
shrink the viewport, the middle div of the

2392
01:28:34,310 --> 01:28:38,610
flex row resizes, it's the only thing that

2393
01:28:38,610 --> 01:28:42,970
expands and contracts within that.

2394
01:28:43,290 --> 01:28:45,850
So the, and remember the, there's a, the

2395
01:28:45,850 --> 01:28:48,870
child of the middle section of the flex

2396
01:28:48,870 --> 01:28:52,670
row is a flex column and the bottom

2397
01:28:52,670 --> 01:28:56,070
most div of that flex column contains a

2398
01:28:56,070 --> 01:28:56,830
string of text.

2399
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:07,240
There is seemingly no way to make that

2400
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:14,880
text, um, not overflow

2401
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:22,300
and push the right most div off the

2402
01:29:22,300 --> 01:29:22,800
viewport.

2403
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:24,540
When in portrait mode.

2404
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:28,900
Uh, it, well, it's really in any mode.

2405
01:29:29,440 --> 01:29:31,820
Uh, but when you're in responsive, when you're

2406
01:29:31,820 --> 01:29:33,060
in responsive mode, yeah.

2407
01:29:33,140 --> 01:29:34,540
So it would be more like, well, if

2408
01:29:34,540 --> 01:29:37,560
you're trying to be responsive, meaning you can,

2409
01:29:37,780 --> 01:29:39,940
you're, it means you're, meaning you're always floating.

2410
01:29:40,860 --> 01:29:42,700
So that would, that applies to mobile.

2411
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:47,560
If you're being responsive, it will always push

2412
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:50,460
that right hand content off the viewport.

2413
01:29:51,580 --> 01:29:54,200
And look, because you would have to set

2414
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:56,920
a max width on that, on that middle

2415
01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:57,840
section, right?

2416
01:29:58,500 --> 01:30:00,540
You would have to say, go, you can

2417
01:30:00,540 --> 01:30:02,720
go this big, but no bigger, but you

2418
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:04,520
don't know how big it can go because

2419
01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:08,060
the, the, the screen can go, people can

2420
01:30:08,060 --> 01:30:10,380
resize their browser to be really big or

2421
01:30:10,380 --> 01:30:10,840
really small.

2422
01:30:11,060 --> 01:30:13,820
So you can't set a max size because

2423
01:30:13,820 --> 01:30:16,980
if they, if they shrink it down in

2424
01:30:16,980 --> 01:30:18,220
the max size, if they shrink it down

2425
01:30:18,220 --> 01:30:21,120
to 200 pixels wide and the max size

2426
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:24,880
is a hundred pixels, well, then you've, you've

2427
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:26,180
left space on the table.

2428
01:30:26,260 --> 01:30:27,520
If it's there, it's just not, there's no

2429
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:29,380
way to know a fixed pixel size.

2430
01:30:29,440 --> 01:30:30,780
So you need to use percentages.

2431
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:35,420
Percentages do not appear to work because the

2432
01:30:35,420 --> 01:30:38,120
parent div containing div has to have a

2433
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:40,800
fixed width in order for the percentage to

2434
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:43,220
be based on the parent, but it can't

2435
01:30:43,220 --> 01:30:43,320
have a fixed width.

2436
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:48,280
Because the parent also has to be responsive.

2437
01:30:49,380 --> 01:30:52,880
The middle, this middle column of this nested

2438
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:58,580
flex set just doesn't, it's just uncontrollable.

2439
01:30:58,980 --> 01:31:02,380
So the only thing I could do was

2440
01:31:02,380 --> 01:31:06,460
put a hook on the viewport resize so

2441
01:31:06,460 --> 01:31:10,260
that if anybody resizes the viewport, then you

2442
01:31:10,260 --> 01:31:12,880
get a hook on it, an event listener,

2443
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:15,640
and then do a bunch of calculations to

2444
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:17,620
figure out how wide this thing should be

2445
01:31:17,620 --> 01:31:19,320
and then just set it in JavaScript.

2446
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:20,280
Wow.

2447
01:31:20,660 --> 01:31:21,540
It's horrible.

2448
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:23,120
How mad did I make you when I

2449
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:25,000
vibe coded the answer and gave it to

2450
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:25,240
you?

2451
01:31:25,820 --> 01:31:27,760
I was only slightly irritated.

2452
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:32,060
I was like, he doesn't need this, but

2453
01:31:32,060 --> 01:31:34,100
hopefully he can get a laugh out of

2454
01:31:34,100 --> 01:31:34,300
it.

2455
01:31:34,780 --> 01:31:38,200
I did actually laugh because literally it's like

2456
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:40,560
it gave you three possible answers.

2457
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:42,900
The first two I had done three days

2458
01:31:42,900 --> 01:31:45,220
ago and the last one was do it

2459
01:31:45,220 --> 01:31:45,740
in JavaScript.

2460
01:31:45,980 --> 01:31:47,320
I'm like, that's what I'm doing right now.

2461
01:31:48,660 --> 01:31:50,740
It's exactly what I'd already been through.

2462
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:53,400
Oh man, I felt bad doing it, but

2463
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:54,200
I couldn't resist.

2464
01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:55,540
I'm like, try this.

2465
01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:56,580
Super grok.

2466
01:31:56,620 --> 01:31:57,220
It can help.

2467
01:31:57,300 --> 01:31:58,060
I'm sure it can.

2468
01:31:58,060 --> 01:31:58,200
Yeah.

2469
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:00,720
I think it's just, I think, I think

2470
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:04,200
it's just a, I think it should work,

2471
01:32:04,300 --> 01:32:06,000
but I think it may just be like,

2472
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:10,520
once you get enough nested stuff together like

2473
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:12,380
this, I think it just kind of doesn't,

2474
01:32:13,300 --> 01:32:14,600
I'm not, I'm not even going to call

2475
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:15,260
it a bug.

2476
01:32:15,860 --> 01:32:17,880
I'm just saying behave like, I think this

2477
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:20,380
is into the CSS world where behavior is

2478
01:32:20,380 --> 01:32:26,540
undefined, undefined behavior, undefined behavior.

2479
01:32:26,740 --> 01:32:27,060
Yes.

2480
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:28,280
All right, brother.

2481
01:32:28,440 --> 01:32:30,300
So, well, hopefully you can get through that

2482
01:32:30,300 --> 01:32:31,580
and then enjoy your weekend.

2483
01:32:31,740 --> 01:32:32,880
You deserve it for sure.

2484
01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:33,960
Oh yeah.

2485
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:34,280
Yeah.

2486
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:34,480
Yeah.

2487
01:32:34,480 --> 01:32:35,180
We're good.

2488
01:32:35,380 --> 01:32:36,400
I'm going fishing in the morning.

2489
01:32:36,700 --> 01:32:39,100
Uh, but right now we all know what

2490
01:32:39,100 --> 01:32:39,720
you need to do.

2491
01:32:42,260 --> 01:32:42,620
What?

2492
01:32:42,700 --> 01:32:43,220
What do I need to do?

2493
01:32:43,220 --> 01:32:44,300
You got to go clean up the kitchen,

2494
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:45,760
man, before the wife comes home.

2495
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:47,140
Oh, I forgot about that.

2496
01:32:47,740 --> 01:32:49,960
All right, everybody.

2497
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:50,780
Thank you very much.

2498
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:51,240
Boardroom.

2499
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:53,460
I think Oystein is coming up next.

2500
01:32:53,660 --> 01:32:55,480
Uh, and we'll see you next Friday, right

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01:32:55,480 --> 01:33:12,900
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01:33:12,900 --> 01:33:17,440
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2503
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01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:22,960
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01:33:23,260 --> 01:33:25,180
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