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Podcasting 2.0 for January 23rd, 2026, episode

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Sing him a jigger.

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Hey everybody, welcome from a very cold, cold

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America.

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It is time for Podcasting 2.0. This

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is it, this is where we talk about

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podcasting.

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It says it right there on the label.

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This is the board meeting of Podcasting 2

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.0. In fact, we are the only boardroom

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that doesn't host a party at Davos.

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I'm Adam Curry here in the Texas Hill

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Country and in Alabama, the man who coached

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with Claude and conquers with confidence.

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Say hello to my friend on the other

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end, the one, the only, Mr. Dave Jones.

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I've had Robbie Dupree in my head for

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like days now.

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It's, it will not go away.

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Robbie Dupree, which song?

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Steal away, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.

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Why don't you steal away into the night?

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That's a, that's in hot rotation on Yacht

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Rock.

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Is that a, is that a Yacht Rock

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song?

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Oh yeah, that's a total Yacht Rock song.

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Oh yeah, absolutely.

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You ever listened to Yacht Rock on like,

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do you have a Sirius XM?

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No, I don't have Sirius.

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Oh yeah, Sirius XM has a Yacht Rock

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channel.

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Did Robbie Dupree have any other songs that

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were his?

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No, of course not.

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No, no, that was it.

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No, it's like, it's Robbie, Robbie Dupree.

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It's a Rupert Holmes with the Pina Colada

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song.

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These are all, these are all Yacht Rock

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classics.

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Yeah, it's beautiful.

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Eddie Money has to be on there somewhere.

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Take my bone tonight.

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Sorry, sorry, sorry.

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Two tickets to paradise.

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I've got two tickets.

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Hold on a second.

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Let's see, let's see what other, let's just,

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let's just go to the YouTubes.

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Let's see what comes up as Yacht Rock

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playlist.

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Is REO Speedwagon, is that Yacht Rock?

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Keep on loving you?

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Yeah, I would say.

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What is this?

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What do we have here?

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Ooh, how come I'm not hearing anything?

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Oh, here we go.

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Remember Keith Largo?

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Bertie Higgins?

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That's good.

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Yacht Rock is almost all one hit wonders.

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Oh yeah, well, here's a whole playlist.

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Let me see.

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Oh yeah, there's Kenny Loggins.

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Absolutely.

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Yacht Rock all the way.

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Number two on the list.

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Number two on the list is, there it

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is.

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There's your Robbie Dupree.

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I cannot get it out of my head.

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I cannot get it out of my head.

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And right into.

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Yeah, baby.

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What a fool believes.

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Oh yeah.

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And then the classic.

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The classic.

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Boom, boom, boom.

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Remember this one?

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Was this Boz Skaggs?

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No, no, no, no, no, no.

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Come on.

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You know it.

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Oh, oh, oh, the, oh, oh.

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Oh, is this Daryl Hall & Oates?

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No, no, no, no.

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I need to hear his voice.

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Where it's rocking it here for you on

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Yacht Rock.

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This is Player.

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Their hit, Baby, Come Back.

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Oh, yeah.

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Baby, come back.

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Wow, this is.

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Oh, oh, and then of course, we have

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the classic Seals & Crofts.

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Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom,

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boom, boom.

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That's right.

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And then we have, oh yeah.

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Oh yes, classic.

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Come in Jamaica, winner.

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Yeah.

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Down in Jamaica, nigga.

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Remember On & On?

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One more, one more.

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On & On, On & On.

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This is also classic Yacht Rock, everybody.

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Look in glass.

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Who could forget them?

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Brandy, you're a fine one!

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Brandy!

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There has to be Little River Band on

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there somewhere.

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Oh, no doubt.

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Wow.

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I have not listened to these in a

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long time.

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I've been stuck in the Christian hits, man.

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Little River Band, yes!

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Nails it.

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Nails it.

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Reminiscing, is that the one?

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Oh, Reminiscing has got to be on there.

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Wait, wait, wait.

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But a classic from Dr. Hook and his

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medicine show.

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Come on, baby.

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Remember Dr. Hook and he had that eye

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patch on with the cowboy hat?

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The problem with Dr. Hook era of music

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is that it was all on 8-track.

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And those things vanished.

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People have vinyl, but 8-tracks didn't survive.

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They melted from time or something.

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You can still find them in some classic

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cars.

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I looked at an El Camino the other

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day.

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Why did you look at an El Camino?

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Oh, I really have wanted an El Camino

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for a long time.

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Yeah, it's an SS, beautiful.

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You could get those with a 454 in

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them.

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That's what it's packing, baby.

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The only problem is it is generally orange.

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Ooh.

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It's one thing to buy a classic.

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That's a bold statement.

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Then I have to repaint it and I'm

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like, I don't think so.

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But it had an 8-track.

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Orange is a little much.

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It had an 8-track in it.

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8-track player, at least.

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I think that I should have looked and

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seen what was in there.

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8-track sucks so bad.

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I mean, you had to switch and listen

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to a different song to rewind.

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You had to switch tracks and you hear

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the heads go.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, everybody.

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We're talking about podcasting now.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Yes, we are.

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Podcasting all over the place.

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Bitcoin orange.

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Hey, congratulations to Sam Sethi and the kids

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over there at TrueFans.

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Closed their round of funding.

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It was the big news today.

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Oh, nice.

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On Power, yeah.

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I haven't heard Power yet.

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It was interesting.

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He was talking about, I was talking to

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some other hosting folks earlier this week about

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bot traffic.

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And so the way, if I understand it

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correctly, the way TrueFans hosting will work is

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they will allow you to turn off bots.

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Now, if you turn off the bots, that

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means that Apple, which appears to be one

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of the biggest bots these days, because it's

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sucking everybody down for transcripts and chapters and

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whatever else, the question is what will happen

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if you block the Apple bots, which truly

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are using quite a lot of bandwidth.

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So I've got this, I've got an interesting

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idea that I want to throw out to

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the boardroom here.

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All right, boardroom.

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Hello.

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Pay attention, everybody.

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But I don't want to, I don't want

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to hog up the mic though.

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So if you, if you got, we can

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talk about it later, but I think it's

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related.

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No, why don't we, I mean, I think

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we both have some vibe coding to talk

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about.

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So we can do that now or you

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can.

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Why don't you talk about your vibe code?

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Dude.

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What's up, dude?

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Dude, I'm almost there.

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I have been wanting to get off of

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Windows for my podcasting ventures for years and

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years, years and years.

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And so because our mutual friend Paul had

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recommended to me to take a look at

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Omarchi, which is March Linux with the tiling

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window manager.

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Oh, as they say, opinionated Linux.

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It's Linux with even more David Hennemeyer Hanson

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is what it is.

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Who's that?

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I don't know who that is.

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DHH, the guy, the inventor of Ruby on

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Rails.

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Oh, oh, okay.

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He's the guy that like, he started, he

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did, he's the mind behind Omarchi.

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Oh, hold on.

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We're not lit.

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I'm sorry.

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My mistake.

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Oh, thank you, board meeting.

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Thank you, boardroom for reminding me of that.

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This stuff needs to be automatic.

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So I, so I loaded it up on,

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you know, I think I just need a

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test box.

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I still have that Surface Pro 6.

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Oh yeah.

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The one that was giving you trouble for

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a while.

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Well, it wasn't giving me trouble.

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Oh no, that was an older one.

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No, that was, that was a different machine.

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This one was running as my, what do

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you call it?

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What's the, what's the open, you know, the

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one that had, like what you use for

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the, for your Bitcoin node, for your Albi.

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Oh, Umbral?

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Umbral, yeah.

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I was using it for an Umbral, but

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whatever reason, that just kept, you know, I

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had to upgrade to the new, it just,

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it became a mess.

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The Umbral over time just, I felt, becomes

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a mess.

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I got my Umbral fixed, by the way.

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Oh, you did?

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It's working, yeah.

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Yeah, so I've been, and ever since I

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got the Start 9, that box is so

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rock solid, it's just, it's just running.

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I haven't looked, I mean, I pull up

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my Albi, my, I'm forgetting all kinds of,

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low T, ladies and gentlemen, my helipad, you

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know, that kind of stuff.

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It's all on that box.

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Works great, love it, don't have to think

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about it.

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But, so I decided I'll install Omarchi on

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this, because if it can install on this,

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which are notoriously messy hardware systems, I think,

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the Surface Pro 6, just Surface in general,

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which I believe is now discontinued.

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Completely unreliable hardware, yeah.

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Yeah, unreliable.

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Well, installed great, and...

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Really?

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Oh, yeah, right out of the box, nope.

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Well, no, that's not true.

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I had to do one thing for the

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Wi-Fi, which, of course, is very typical.

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But it was interesting, because I've been using

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Gemini now, I've dropped Grok, Grok is dropped.

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But I started using Gemini, mainly because I

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got a free, you know, Pro account with

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my phone.

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And I think that's the same thing that

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happened to Alex.

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He started using it because he got a

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free plan, like some free time on it

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for a few, it's like three months or

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something like that.

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Yeah, but I mean, I'm all in, because

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for research purposes, it's dynamite.

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And I'm all, I'm in Pro mode, so

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nothing is fast.

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You know, a question or a research topic

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can take easily a minute or a couple

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minutes to come back.

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But because it has access to Google search

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APIs and YouTube transcripts and all this stuff,

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it really has, it does great for research.

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And it gives me the sources, so I

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can check where it's coming from.

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There's some bias in there, but, you know,

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but it's been very useful to me.

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So I jump into Gemini and I say,

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okay, here's what's going on.

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And right away, it's super helpful.

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Oh, this is not a problem.

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And it says, and by the way, you

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know, while we're doing this, just grab the

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USB cable, plug in your Galaxy 7Z Flip,

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because it knows I have that, of course.

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And that'll tether, no problem.

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And it did.

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And so I got the Wi-Fi fixed.

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I got the touch screen, everything's working.

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And I did that at the kitchen table

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in maybe an hour, you know, and most

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of that time was just the install taking

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place.

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And I'm like, okay, I am, and I

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say, listen, Gemini, I am ready to move

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my podcasting set up to, and I played

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for a day or two with Amarchi.

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I like the tiling window system.

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That is the way my brain works.

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It's like, oh.

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I thought you would like that.

347
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Oh, I really do.

348
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You know, and all keyboards.

349
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I'm a keyboard guy.

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I love keeping my hands on the keyboard,

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moving windows around, you know, different, especially because

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it's a limited screen size.

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It's just, I'm blown away.

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You know, the super key space bar brings

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up the apps you want, type it in,

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launches.

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I mean, it just, it's kind of the

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way I've always wanted to work.

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Really nice.

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So I'm ready to move off.

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It's like, let's start with something that has

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been impossible in my life.

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I want to take my Rodecaster Pro 2,

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and I want to be able to see

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all these devices.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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Pipewire and Helvum did the trick.

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Really?

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Yes.

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Finally.

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Yes.

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And so Helvum is really the, you know,

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that's really the magic.

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Pipewire, by the way, is great.

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I mean, I've been, the last time I

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looked at this, it was, you know, Jack,

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what was it?

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Ulsa Jack or something.

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The Jack system, you know, wonky, breaks down,

381
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falls apart.

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Pipewire, amazing.

383
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And, of course, the only thing that's really

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different between Windows, when it comes to USB

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drivers and Linux, is that you can plug

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in this, you know, 16-channel USB device,

387
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which is basically what one of the devices,

388
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you know, because you have two different devices

389
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in the Rodecaster.

390
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One is the standard secondary out.

391
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It recognizes that.

392
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No problem.

393
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You plug the other one in.

394
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It's like it just shows you one.

395
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It doesn't show you the chat, like the

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mix minus device.

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So with Helvum, you can permanently map those

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two channels for the system to recognize it

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as a device.

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And so now I can just pull up

401
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one of three devices exactly the way I'd

402
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want it on Windows.

403
00:14:10,350 --> 00:14:13,130
I'm like, okay, I've been waiting for this

404
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all my life.

405
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And Gemini walked me through it.

406
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Then I'm like, you know, okay, what am

407
00:14:19,590 --> 00:14:23,150
I missing that's on Windows that I don't

408
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have in this environment?

409
00:14:24,150 --> 00:14:26,110
Because in order to do my podcast, I

410
00:14:26,110 --> 00:14:28,430
have been working for years and years with

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M-Airlist.

412
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And M-Airlist is a commercial product, licensed

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00:14:33,850 --> 00:14:37,250
product, which is really for radio stations.

414
00:14:37,410 --> 00:14:39,710
But with it, I've been able to build

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this interface that I like.

416
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In essence, I have eight players at the

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top of my screen.

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And you can drag and drop a file

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into it, which I can do pretty quickly.

420
00:14:55,990 --> 00:14:57,810
And, you know, it's mapped to a MIDI

421
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controller.

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I have the Nano Control 2 from Korg.

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So I can control volume, start and stop,

424
00:15:03,870 --> 00:15:05,050
and I can dump the clip out.

425
00:15:05,190 --> 00:15:07,530
Those are basically the three things I do

426
00:15:07,530 --> 00:15:07,810
with it.

427
00:15:08,090 --> 00:15:10,390
And then I can zoom in on the

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waveform if I want to go back.

429
00:15:12,170 --> 00:15:14,870
And I can, you know, just by watching

430
00:15:14,870 --> 00:15:16,390
it when it plays, okay, we're going to

431
00:15:16,390 --> 00:15:18,490
go back five seconds, click here, and I'll

432
00:15:18,490 --> 00:15:18,950
start there.

433
00:15:19,010 --> 00:15:20,270
That's what we do with No Agenda all

434
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the time.

435
00:15:21,290 --> 00:15:23,430
So I tell Gemini this is what I

436
00:15:23,430 --> 00:15:23,690
want.

437
00:15:23,690 --> 00:15:25,550
Surely you can run that in Wine.

438
00:15:28,510 --> 00:15:29,490
I'm not kidding.

439
00:15:29,670 --> 00:15:31,690
I mean, Wine is really good these days.

440
00:15:32,390 --> 00:15:33,350
Screw Wine.

441
00:15:33,650 --> 00:15:37,490
I mean, the whole point of getting away

442
00:15:37,490 --> 00:15:39,590
from Windows is not to run a Windows

443
00:15:39,590 --> 00:15:40,750
app on Wine.

444
00:15:41,230 --> 00:15:42,530
Okay, you're a nativist.

445
00:15:43,330 --> 00:15:44,850
I'm going to go native.

446
00:15:45,030 --> 00:15:46,750
I'm going commando, baby.

447
00:15:46,890 --> 00:15:47,590
Fair enough.

448
00:15:47,750 --> 00:15:49,770
I do not want to be running crap

449
00:15:49,770 --> 00:15:50,210
in Wine.

450
00:15:50,210 --> 00:15:53,990
And by the way, audio stuff notoriously iffy

451
00:15:53,990 --> 00:15:55,130
when it comes to Wine.

452
00:15:55,750 --> 00:15:57,550
So I just didn't want to go that

453
00:15:57,550 --> 00:15:57,810
route.

454
00:15:57,910 --> 00:15:59,590
So I say, you know what, here's what

455
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I want to build.

456
00:16:01,050 --> 00:16:04,690
Within an hour, I replicated this whole system

457
00:16:04,690 --> 00:16:10,930
using, of course, Python, using the QT UI

458
00:16:10,930 --> 00:16:12,650
framework.

459
00:16:13,430 --> 00:16:14,810
QT, not GTK.

460
00:16:15,190 --> 00:16:15,970
Interesting choice.

461
00:16:16,190 --> 00:16:17,790
No, QT6.

462
00:16:17,790 --> 00:16:20,350
Very, very, very slick.

463
00:16:20,430 --> 00:16:22,150
It draws the waveforms.

464
00:16:22,790 --> 00:16:24,490
It does, I mean, everything.

465
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Then add to that Mido for the MIDI

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connection.

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00:16:32,050 --> 00:16:34,610
I mean, I literally said, okay, now I

468
00:16:34,610 --> 00:16:36,110
want to be able to map these buttons

469
00:16:36,110 --> 00:16:39,770
to these buttons on my MIDI controller.

470
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Boop, boop, boop, boop.

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The code spits out.

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I run the code.

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And I can right-click on a button,

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and then it can learn the MIDI control,

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which is easier, by the way, than the

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actual M-AIR list.

477
00:16:55,530 --> 00:16:57,390
It's easier to do it in the system

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that I built.

479
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I mean, so basically it's using G-Streamer

480
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as the audio engine, so I can mix

481
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these different things together.

482
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The long story short is within a week

483
00:17:12,550 --> 00:17:16,349
or two, I will be switched over, and

484
00:17:16,349 --> 00:17:18,150
I guess I'll open it because I made

485
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a repo.

486
00:17:18,670 --> 00:17:19,470
Woo, look at me.

487
00:17:20,710 --> 00:17:21,829
Did you make a repo?

488
00:17:21,829 --> 00:17:22,829
Are you going to open source it?

489
00:17:22,849 --> 00:17:23,170
Not yet.

490
00:17:23,290 --> 00:17:24,470
Oh, yeah, of course, of course.

491
00:17:24,490 --> 00:17:26,230
I want everybody to enjoy it and for

492
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people to improve upon it.

493
00:17:29,810 --> 00:17:33,310
But, I mean, it's even better than what

494
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I had because the way I work, and

495
00:17:35,910 --> 00:17:37,310
maybe not everybody is going to work this

496
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way, so I have a folder tree, a

497
00:17:42,330 --> 00:17:47,410
file tree open in this M-AIR list,

498
00:17:47,870 --> 00:17:50,910
and I categorize my clips by topic, and

499
00:17:50,910 --> 00:17:53,110
then there's JCD clips, and this is kind

500
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of the same for any podcast I do.

501
00:17:56,230 --> 00:18:00,410
So now another thing that was not possible

502
00:18:00,410 --> 00:18:03,210
with this other system is I can just

503
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scroll down to a clip, or if I

504
00:18:04,910 --> 00:18:07,790
want to use the mouse, just click once,

505
00:18:07,910 --> 00:18:11,810
boom, it occupies the next available player, and

506
00:18:11,810 --> 00:18:14,310
I was using the Everything Search engine.

507
00:18:15,330 --> 00:18:16,710
I don't know if you're familiar with that,

508
00:18:16,770 --> 00:18:17,470
the Everything Search app.

509
00:18:17,470 --> 00:18:18,030
No, I don't know what that is.

510
00:18:18,030 --> 00:18:20,770
Yeah, it's an open source search app.

511
00:18:20,790 --> 00:18:21,270
It's really good.

512
00:18:21,290 --> 00:18:22,750
You can just say, okay, I only wanted

513
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to index audio files.

514
00:18:25,950 --> 00:18:29,650
And so I've built into this file viewer

515
00:18:29,650 --> 00:18:31,550
a quick little shortcut.

516
00:18:31,770 --> 00:18:32,470
You type it in.

517
00:18:32,570 --> 00:18:33,770
You get all the – because I'm always

518
00:18:33,770 --> 00:18:35,530
looking for an old clip or something or

519
00:18:35,530 --> 00:18:37,910
a jingle or something like that, and it

520
00:18:37,910 --> 00:18:38,850
populates the list.

521
00:18:38,950 --> 00:18:41,530
Click, boom, it's loaded super fast.

522
00:18:42,530 --> 00:18:45,190
And so I'm doing all this stuff, and

523
00:18:45,190 --> 00:18:47,310
this is within an hour.

524
00:18:47,970 --> 00:18:49,470
I mean sliders are working.

525
00:18:49,690 --> 00:18:50,690
Faders are working.

526
00:18:50,830 --> 00:18:51,910
The mix is working.

527
00:18:51,910 --> 00:18:54,710
And then all of a sudden Gemini is

528
00:18:54,710 --> 00:18:56,330
like, oh, you ready to build the cart

529
00:18:56,330 --> 00:18:56,630
wall?

530
00:18:56,790 --> 00:18:58,150
I'm like, holy crap.

531
00:18:58,570 --> 00:18:59,350
A what?

532
00:18:59,450 --> 00:19:00,330
A cart wall?

533
00:19:00,550 --> 00:19:01,050
Cart wall, yeah.

534
00:19:01,330 --> 00:19:02,650
This is where you load up a whole

535
00:19:02,650 --> 00:19:04,910
bunch of stuff like – Bombshell.

536
00:19:05,250 --> 00:19:07,510
You can just – you have your little

537
00:19:07,510 --> 00:19:09,170
– Oh, like a soundboard?

538
00:19:09,250 --> 00:19:10,390
Yeah, it's a cart wall.

539
00:19:10,590 --> 00:19:12,570
It came up with the name cart wall,

540
00:19:12,970 --> 00:19:15,310
which is correct.

541
00:19:15,310 --> 00:19:20,410
And I have to say I was well

542
00:19:20,410 --> 00:19:27,070
impressed at the speed, at the context, window

543
00:19:27,070 --> 00:19:31,910
size, the cross-chat understanding of – because

544
00:19:31,910 --> 00:19:33,450
at a certain point it says, yeah, this

545
00:19:33,450 --> 00:19:35,370
will work great on your Surface Pro 6,

546
00:19:35,470 --> 00:19:39,190
which was a whole different window that I've

547
00:19:39,190 --> 00:19:40,250
been working on that with.

548
00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:45,270
I'm pretty impressed to be able – now,

549
00:19:45,410 --> 00:19:47,190
I still don't – I mean, basically they're

550
00:19:47,190 --> 00:19:49,110
paying me extra money to do it because

551
00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:51,810
I don't see how my free account or

552
00:19:51,810 --> 00:19:55,050
even $20 a month can in any way

553
00:19:55,050 --> 00:19:57,550
compensate for the cycles that have been used

554
00:19:57,550 --> 00:19:58,350
making this.

555
00:19:59,090 --> 00:20:02,310
But holy mackerel, this is – it's been

556
00:20:02,310 --> 00:20:02,950
exciting.

557
00:20:03,250 --> 00:20:04,510
It really has been.

558
00:20:04,510 --> 00:20:07,750
And so to say AI has improved my

559
00:20:07,750 --> 00:20:11,470
life in this area, yes, yes, yes, yes.

560
00:20:12,010 --> 00:20:15,530
I need a screenshot of your new app.

561
00:20:15,690 --> 00:20:16,710
I want to see it.

562
00:20:17,450 --> 00:20:17,930
Okay.

563
00:20:18,110 --> 00:20:19,430
I want to see what you've built, this

564
00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:23,270
in-air list clone type thingamajigger.

565
00:20:23,730 --> 00:20:24,370
Yeah, I want to see what it looks

566
00:20:24,370 --> 00:20:24,470
like.

567
00:20:24,470 --> 00:20:24,730
Thingamajigger.

568
00:20:24,970 --> 00:20:26,130
In fact, I'm going to call it the

569
00:20:26,130 --> 00:20:27,390
podcast Thingamajigger.

570
00:20:30,510 --> 00:20:31,430
What is that?

571
00:20:31,710 --> 00:20:33,550
I want that to be your repo name.

572
00:20:33,550 --> 00:20:34,690
The Thingamajigger.

573
00:20:35,590 --> 00:20:37,630
I got to write it down.

574
00:20:38,610 --> 00:20:42,610
The podcast Thingamajigger sounds great.

575
00:20:42,990 --> 00:20:50,690
Well, so my own dive in with –

576
00:20:50,690 --> 00:20:52,530
so I've made – I think this is

577
00:20:52,530 --> 00:20:54,750
the natural progression that people go through.

578
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:56,810
You start with a chatbot.

579
00:20:57,270 --> 00:21:00,570
Then you start in the chatbot world.

580
00:21:00,570 --> 00:21:03,650
Then you go to in your IDE, whether

581
00:21:03,650 --> 00:21:06,950
it's Cursor or Juni in JetBrains or whatever

582
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:10,650
you're – whatever this is, Copilot, some sort

583
00:21:10,650 --> 00:21:12,670
of add-on that's living in your IDE

584
00:21:12,670 --> 00:21:15,250
programmer tool with you.

585
00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:19,810
Then at some point, you jump to just

586
00:21:19,810 --> 00:21:20,750
the command line.

587
00:21:20,990 --> 00:21:22,910
You just have an independent agent that's just

588
00:21:22,910 --> 00:21:25,430
going to – lives in the command prompt

589
00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:29,870
on the system because that way it just

590
00:21:29,870 --> 00:21:31,250
has full access to everything.

591
00:21:31,410 --> 00:21:33,790
It just understands how to do everything on

592
00:21:33,790 --> 00:21:34,210
the system.

593
00:21:35,670 --> 00:21:38,770
I made that plunge with Cloud Code.

594
00:21:42,650 --> 00:21:46,110
The first thing I had to do –

595
00:21:46,110 --> 00:21:48,450
there's this thing at my day job, and

596
00:21:48,450 --> 00:21:49,870
I'll describe this.

597
00:21:50,210 --> 00:21:50,990
There's an app.

598
00:21:51,870 --> 00:21:53,820
It's a production – there's two.

599
00:21:53,820 --> 00:21:54,860
There's two apps.

600
00:21:55,420 --> 00:22:00,660
This is going to be interesting for a

601
00:22:00,660 --> 00:22:01,260
number of reasons.

602
00:22:01,900 --> 00:22:04,520
There's two basically identical apps.

603
00:22:06,500 --> 00:22:11,220
They communicate with an in-house custom system

604
00:22:11,220 --> 00:22:12,900
– platform that we wrote.

605
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,160
All it does is takes a file and

606
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,760
uploads it with – it communicates with an

607
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,440
API and uploads this file to the API.

608
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,060
But it does – for reasons that are

609
00:22:28,060 --> 00:22:32,600
largely unimportant, there's two different routes this thing

610
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:32,940
can take.

611
00:22:33,020 --> 00:22:35,180
There has to be two separate apps.

612
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:37,640
Trust me, there has to be two.

613
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,140
There's two separate apps that are virtually identical

614
00:22:41,140 --> 00:22:45,100
except for a few different – there may

615
00:22:45,100 --> 00:22:46,920
be a hundred lines of code that are

616
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,060
insignificant or they're different between these two apps.

617
00:22:49,060 --> 00:22:52,760
What's always bothered me – these apps were

618
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,800
written maybe seven years ago.

619
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,820
They're .NET C Sharp apps.

620
00:22:59,460 --> 00:23:00,540
They run in Windows.

621
00:23:01,620 --> 00:23:06,980
I wrote them in Visual Studio 2019, I

622
00:23:06,980 --> 00:23:07,160
think.

623
00:23:07,620 --> 00:23:08,520
Yeah, a long time ago.

624
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,220
So I wrote them in Visual Studio 2019,

625
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,800
and the way they're monolithic.

626
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,240
So they have the user interface for the

627
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,500
app is basically just some configuration text boxes

628
00:23:23,500 --> 00:23:27,680
and a log window just so we can

629
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:28,660
keep track of everything.

630
00:23:28,740 --> 00:23:30,440
But these things are monolithic, so they have

631
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,440
to just stay running on an open desktop

632
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:33,220
all the time.

633
00:23:35,300 --> 00:23:37,640
So what I wanted to do – I

634
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,200
wrote them that way, and I just wasn't

635
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:39,920
thinking about it.

636
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,420
I just needed to get this thing done

637
00:23:41,420 --> 00:23:41,740
and blah, blah, blah.

638
00:23:41,740 --> 00:23:43,380
You didn't realize you had to dedicate a

639
00:23:43,380 --> 00:23:45,160
machine to it full-time, basically?

640
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,460
Yeah, and it has to stay open on

641
00:23:47,460 --> 00:23:48,380
a desktop all the time.

642
00:23:48,380 --> 00:23:51,980
So really the only thing that – And

643
00:23:51,980 --> 00:23:54,420
this is running some Fortune 500s accounting?

644
00:23:54,620 --> 00:23:55,520
Is that what you're telling me?

645
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:56,560
Yeah, maybe.

646
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,140
But the – so what I've been needing

647
00:24:01,140 --> 00:24:05,440
to do for, gosh, for years now, what

648
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,580
I've been needing to do is spend the

649
00:24:07,580 --> 00:24:12,940
time to split this app into two parts.

650
00:24:12,940 --> 00:24:14,860
Yeah, a backend that just runs and then

651
00:24:14,860 --> 00:24:15,480
a UI.

652
00:24:16,620 --> 00:24:17,740
Exactly, exactly.

653
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,160
A Windows service and a UI that'll talk

654
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:22,780
to the service.

655
00:24:22,940 --> 00:24:26,160
And it's just like – it's not –

656
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,700
that's not a hard thing to do, but

657
00:24:28,700 --> 00:24:30,960
it's going to take me 10 hours to

658
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,420
go through, create the new repos, copy-paste

659
00:24:35,420 --> 00:24:38,180
over the code, do the testing, then create

660
00:24:38,180 --> 00:24:39,980
an IPC between the two.

661
00:24:41,020 --> 00:24:42,220
What's an IPC?

662
00:24:42,900 --> 00:24:44,760
Inter-Process Communication Channel.

663
00:24:44,940 --> 00:24:48,500
So like a named pipe or something like

664
00:24:48,500 --> 00:24:50,400
that where the front end can talk to

665
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:50,740
the backend.

666
00:24:50,820 --> 00:24:52,780
Just use XMLRPC, man.

667
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:53,460
It's the future.

668
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:54,760
Soap.

669
00:24:54,860 --> 00:24:55,360
Soap.

670
00:24:55,780 --> 00:24:55,920
Soap.

671
00:24:56,220 --> 00:24:56,340
Yeah.

672
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,320
Inside joke, everybody.

673
00:25:02,980 --> 00:25:04,100
Yes, right, yeah.

674
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,020
So this is my – who can peel

675
00:25:10,020 --> 00:25:13,580
off 10 hours to recreate a thing that

676
00:25:13,580 --> 00:25:14,540
already is working?

677
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:15,300
Right.

678
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,000
And you're not going to get anything for

679
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:18,400
this.

680
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,320
All you're going to get is once every

681
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,980
few months when this thing crashes for some

682
00:25:23,980 --> 00:25:25,460
reason, you have to go restart it.

683
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,360
And that's the only thing this does.

684
00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:33,920
So as usual, I can't just commit half

685
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:34,920
a week to doing this.

686
00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:35,400
Right.

687
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,020
So I was like, okay, perfect, perfect trial

688
00:25:39,020 --> 00:25:40,060
run for Cloud Code.

689
00:25:41,340 --> 00:25:41,640
Yes.

690
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,020
So I grab a copy of the repo,

691
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,980
stick it into a directory by itself so

692
00:25:48,980 --> 00:25:51,460
we're not working on the live thing.

693
00:25:51,460 --> 00:25:55,320
And I'm like, okay, I described to Claude

694
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,380
this is a C-sharp.net app that

695
00:25:59,380 --> 00:26:02,880
is monolithic, and I want you to split

696
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:03,980
it in two parts.

697
00:26:04,100 --> 00:26:08,380
I want to have a UI that can

698
00:26:08,380 --> 00:26:10,720
– excuse me, a backend Windows service that

699
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,840
can be installable and then a front end

700
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,780
that communicates with the service to show me

701
00:26:17,780 --> 00:26:18,600
the logs and blah, blah, blah.

702
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,280
So I just gave it a simple, maybe

703
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,180
like a three-line prompt.

704
00:26:24,500 --> 00:26:27,500
Fifteen minutes, it was done.

705
00:26:28,300 --> 00:26:32,040
I copied it to the server, launched it,

706
00:26:32,460 --> 00:26:34,020
and it worked.

707
00:26:34,340 --> 00:26:37,780
I never touched a single line of code.

708
00:26:37,780 --> 00:26:38,200
Line of code, yeah.

709
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,000
And the thing that got me – and

710
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,660
it also said, okay, I split everything.

711
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,580
I split it into three repos, a service

712
00:26:49,580 --> 00:26:52,280
repo, an IPC repo, and a UI repo.

713
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,120
And I also created you two batch files,

714
00:26:57,220 --> 00:26:58,480
one to install the service.

715
00:26:58,500 --> 00:26:59,660
You did that without even asking?

716
00:27:00,300 --> 00:27:01,680
I never even asked for that.

717
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,300
And then I opened up the UI, and

718
00:27:05,300 --> 00:27:07,120
it took – it's the same UI I

719
00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:08,920
had before, but it stuck a new thing

720
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,800
up there at the top showing me the

721
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,520
status of the service and a start and

722
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,220
stop button so I could restart it myself.

723
00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:16,500
That's great.

724
00:27:16,900 --> 00:27:19,220
I was blown away by this thing, but

725
00:27:19,220 --> 00:27:20,660
here's the kicker.

726
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,160
So this was perfect.

727
00:27:23,780 --> 00:27:25,680
So I'm like, okay, this is great.

728
00:27:25,780 --> 00:27:26,800
I'm just going to do – I'm going

729
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,560
to take this same prompt and do it

730
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,540
on this other repo, which is basically an

731
00:27:32,540 --> 00:27:33,740
identical code base.

732
00:27:33,740 --> 00:27:35,300
I'm going to do it on this other

733
00:27:35,300 --> 00:27:38,200
repo and just change the name and say,

734
00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:40,380
do it to this other repo.

735
00:27:41,300 --> 00:27:42,520
I did it.

736
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,180
Completely different outcome.

737
00:27:47,060 --> 00:27:51,120
And this time it did not split it

738
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:53,000
into three repos.

739
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,160
It split it into two.

740
00:27:54,500 --> 00:27:57,200
They were differently named.

741
00:27:57,380 --> 00:27:59,800
It did not create the install service batch

742
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:00,280
files.

743
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,920
I tried to – so I created the

744
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,840
install service batch file by hand, installed it,

745
00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:07,380
and installed.

746
00:28:07,620 --> 00:28:09,600
It gave me a failure, but it still

747
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:10,600
installed and started.

748
00:28:11,540 --> 00:28:14,320
And then I tried to run the UI.

749
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:15,680
It would never connect to the backend.

750
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,880
It was pretty much broken.

751
00:28:18,700 --> 00:28:19,900
This is the frustration.

752
00:28:20,940 --> 00:28:23,680
This is exactly the frustration that I've had

753
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,360
with – and was it in the same

754
00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:27,960
context window or did you open up a

755
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,500
new window for the – a new context,

756
00:28:30,620 --> 00:28:32,120
a new chat, or whatever you call it.

757
00:28:32,220 --> 00:28:33,440
I don't know how that works with Claude.

758
00:28:33,540 --> 00:28:34,220
Yeah, a new session.

759
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:35,100
Yeah, a new session.

760
00:28:36,260 --> 00:28:37,740
Yeah, this is the frustration.

761
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,380
The consistency is nowhere to be found.

762
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,640
I don't understand if it – because I'm

763
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,240
telling you these code bases are virtually identical,

764
00:28:46,420 --> 00:28:48,860
and I don't know if there's some sort

765
00:28:48,860 --> 00:28:50,380
of temperature that's involved.

766
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,080
No, temperature is – temperature, I believe, is

767
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,860
exactly the issue.

768
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,460
Because it shouldn't be.

769
00:28:57,740 --> 00:28:57,860
No.

770
00:28:58,500 --> 00:29:00,840
The temperature on that sort of prompt should

771
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:01,520
be zero.

772
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,440
I believe it's the actual temperature in the

773
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,060
server farm.

774
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:09,520
Okay.

775
00:29:09,860 --> 00:29:12,240
I believe that actually – yeah, yeah, I

776
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:12,920
really think so.

777
00:29:13,060 --> 00:29:14,320
I really think that makes a difference.

778
00:29:14,900 --> 00:29:16,620
You know, the cooling was half a degree

779
00:29:16,620 --> 00:29:16,920
off.

780
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,020
You get different results.

781
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,520
And how frustrating is it?

782
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:21,840
And you can sit there and you can

783
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:22,980
tell it 100 times.

784
00:29:22,980 --> 00:29:24,740
It will not create what you had in

785
00:29:24,740 --> 00:29:26,020
the previous session.

786
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,600
So the way I got around it is,

787
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,140
as I said – so Claude does this

788
00:29:32,140 --> 00:29:32,800
very helpful thing.

789
00:29:32,860 --> 00:29:34,820
I'm not sure if Gemini does this or

790
00:29:34,820 --> 00:29:35,060
not.

791
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,680
But one thing Claude has that's very helpful

792
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,780
is when it creates – it'll go into

793
00:29:40,780 --> 00:29:42,500
what it calls plan mode.

794
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,680
Yes, yeah, the boardroom is talking about plan

795
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:45,980
mode.

796
00:29:46,540 --> 00:29:50,300
Okay, so plan mode, it'll take your –

797
00:29:50,300 --> 00:29:52,060
you can go back and forth manually, but

798
00:29:52,060 --> 00:29:54,920
a lot of times it'll understand it needs

799
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,360
to go into plan mode automatically.

800
00:29:57,580 --> 00:29:59,060
So it'll go into plan mode, and it

801
00:29:59,060 --> 00:30:01,460
will essentially write a plan of what it's

802
00:30:01,460 --> 00:30:02,020
going to do.

803
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,280
And it will stick to its own plan.

804
00:30:06,060 --> 00:30:06,960
It will, yes.

805
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,300
And so the thing about this scenario is

806
00:30:10,300 --> 00:30:15,100
that Claude leaves those plan files behind.

807
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,880
So what I did was I said, okay

808
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,080
– Take these plan files.

809
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,780
I started over, and I said, look, I

810
00:30:20,780 --> 00:30:23,120
added an extra little bit of prompt at

811
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,060
the end and said, I've already done this

812
00:30:25,060 --> 00:30:26,780
conversion on another repo.

813
00:30:29,340 --> 00:30:31,620
Here's the plan file from that previous conversion.

814
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,560
I want you to follow the same exact

815
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,500
plan file as closely as possible.

816
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,900
Does it leave the plan files in the

817
00:30:37,900 --> 00:30:38,100
repo?

818
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:39,160
Is that where it leaves it?

819
00:30:39,660 --> 00:30:41,760
It leaves them in the Claude – like

820
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:42,660
in its working directory.

821
00:30:42,660 --> 00:30:42,920
Okay.

822
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,820
Outside of the repo.

823
00:30:46,580 --> 00:30:47,920
And this time it did it, and it

824
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:48,780
did it exactly right.

825
00:30:48,780 --> 00:30:49,220
Wow.

826
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:50,200
Perfectly.

827
00:30:50,820 --> 00:30:51,020
Wow.

828
00:30:51,300 --> 00:30:54,040
I feel like it's – so the sense

829
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,100
I get from this is that it's sort

830
00:30:58,100 --> 00:31:01,080
of like the experience you have when you're

831
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,380
doing the image generation stuff where when you

832
00:31:04,380 --> 00:31:07,400
get a prompt, and it gives you something

833
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,020
really good, it's like you want to save

834
00:31:11,020 --> 00:31:11,460
the prompt.

835
00:31:12,300 --> 00:31:13,840
Change this and add this.

836
00:31:13,980 --> 00:31:14,900
No, no, we can't do that.

837
00:31:14,900 --> 00:31:15,620
No, it doesn't work.

838
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:16,120
It doesn't work.

839
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,640
If you ever get a good result from

840
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,560
a prompt, you need to hang on to

841
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,060
that prompt and keep it forever.

842
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,960
So that was my first out-of-the

843
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,300
-gate experience with Claude, which I would say

844
00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:31,460
was highly successful.

845
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,380
I mean, it saved me so many hours

846
00:31:35,380 --> 00:31:37,460
of work on a thing.

847
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:38,640
Now, was it additive?

848
00:31:40,420 --> 00:31:41,200
Not really.

849
00:31:41,220 --> 00:31:42,780
Well, it gave you the service start and

850
00:31:42,780 --> 00:31:43,420
stop button.

851
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:45,520
No, it did.

852
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:45,900
It did.

853
00:31:46,060 --> 00:31:46,840
Yeah, no, you're right.

854
00:31:46,900 --> 00:31:47,200
You're right.

855
00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:50,940
Well, like in your case, you were already

856
00:31:50,940 --> 00:31:51,640
on Windows.

857
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:52,420
Mm-hmm.

858
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,600
You've mostly replicated what you had before.

859
00:31:56,900 --> 00:31:59,660
The agent helped you do a sideways move,

860
00:31:59,740 --> 00:32:00,000
essentially.

861
00:32:00,140 --> 00:32:01,180
Well, no, no.

862
00:32:01,260 --> 00:32:03,640
It has actually improved because all of the

863
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:08,560
interface issues that I had with mAirless, which

864
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,400
I would have loved to have it work

865
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,700
differently, I just said, okay, implement this this

866
00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:14,980
way.

867
00:32:14,980 --> 00:32:18,500
So, for instance, in mAirless, if you want

868
00:32:18,500 --> 00:32:25,500
to do a pre-fader listen, so you

869
00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:27,940
want to listen to something, for instance, end

870
00:32:27,940 --> 00:32:28,540
-of-show ISO.

871
00:32:29,220 --> 00:32:30,500
So if I want to hear an end

872
00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:33,340
-of-show ISO, and so I'll get it

873
00:32:33,340 --> 00:32:35,960
from the ISO bot while you're talking, I'm

874
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,360
listening to you in one ear, I'm pre

875
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,120
-fader listening to this ISO that I'm trying

876
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,260
to get, and I set an in-point

877
00:32:43,260 --> 00:32:45,340
and an out-point because I don't have

878
00:32:45,340 --> 00:32:47,160
time to actually edit the file.

879
00:32:47,620 --> 00:32:49,620
So that's a whole different window that pops

880
00:32:49,620 --> 00:32:50,260
up.

881
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,200
There's a whole different subsystem of mAirless that

882
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:54,980
I'm working in.

883
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,920
It also prohibits me from doing some other

884
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,220
things with the live play-out system.

885
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,020
So now it's baked into it.

886
00:33:04,020 --> 00:33:07,120
So when I go to pre-fader mode,

887
00:33:07,260 --> 00:33:09,800
it just turns that one player into a

888
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,940
different color so I know that it's in

889
00:33:11,940 --> 00:33:14,600
PFL mode, and then I can click in

890
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,960
the timeline, set my in and out points,

891
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:17,940
and I'm done.

892
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,520
There's no extra windows popping up, none of

893
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:21,040
this stuff.

894
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,200
And I've also made it so I can

895
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,340
select which interface I want the PFL to

896
00:33:25,340 --> 00:33:25,720
go to.

897
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,120
And all these little improvements, and then also

898
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,180
the clip search system, that was two different

899
00:33:33,180 --> 00:33:35,920
applications, so I've baked that into one now.

900
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,920
So it's definitely additive for me.

901
00:33:39,780 --> 00:33:43,240
I think Leo Laporte is right in his

902
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:49,740
characterization of this stuff as the real thing

903
00:33:49,740 --> 00:33:55,780
that is happening right now is an unlocking

904
00:33:55,780 --> 00:33:58,900
of the ability to have hyper-personalized software.

905
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:00,680
Yes.

906
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,760
And it is enabling individuals like myself who

907
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,739
have a concept of systems.

908
00:34:07,900 --> 00:34:12,340
So I understand Linux, I understand command line,

909
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,080
I understand Bash, I understand some Python, I

910
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:21,520
understand the basics of the computer.

911
00:34:22,100 --> 00:34:27,179
So the networking, the audio, I understand all

912
00:34:27,179 --> 00:34:30,540
these core principles and I've had interactions with

913
00:34:30,540 --> 00:34:34,100
them, albeit very poor interactions throughout my life,

914
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:39,900
usually with destructive results, to be able to

915
00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:44,139
prompt the right things.

916
00:34:44,580 --> 00:34:46,780
So if someone just sits down and said,

917
00:34:46,860 --> 00:34:49,219
okay, I want to have a podcast playout

918
00:34:49,219 --> 00:34:51,639
system, I doubt it would come up with

919
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:52,860
anything like this.

920
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:54,060
It doesn't really exist.

921
00:34:54,060 --> 00:34:56,980
Even the way I customize mAirlist is not

922
00:34:56,980 --> 00:34:58,940
the way anyone else has customized it.

923
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,700
And so we may see very small companies

924
00:35:03,700 --> 00:35:09,300
that provide software products or services that they

925
00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:11,000
can spin up really quickly.

926
00:35:11,620 --> 00:35:13,640
So, I mean, like us, like Godcaster in

927
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,720
a way, I mean, I've created two or

928
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:19,000
three products that would not be here because

929
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,800
we only really have one, one and a

930
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,400
half, one developer on the backend, that's you.

931
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:26,940
And so I've been able to spin up

932
00:35:26,940 --> 00:35:30,080
these different products and optimize them over time

933
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,820
just by knowing what the customer wants, knowing

934
00:35:33,820 --> 00:35:35,620
what I want to build for the customer

935
00:35:35,620 --> 00:35:38,860
and having enough understanding of the systems to

936
00:35:38,860 --> 00:35:42,520
be able to coax the AI into coding

937
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:43,200
what I want.

938
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,900
And the actual coding part is just, it's

939
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:47,380
like a layer on top of it.

940
00:35:48,420 --> 00:35:49,060
Yeah.

941
00:35:49,340 --> 00:35:49,560
Yeah.

942
00:35:49,580 --> 00:35:53,840
I think, like, I'm afraid to let it

943
00:35:53,840 --> 00:36:00,800
touch existing code bases that are important.

944
00:36:01,380 --> 00:36:05,120
Like, I've not used any AI on the

945
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,880
podcast index API backend.

946
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,260
I'm talking about the API server itself, you

947
00:36:11,260 --> 00:36:11,460
know.

948
00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:15,800
I have not let it touch anything in

949
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:15,960
that.

950
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,680
I haven't let it touch anything in Godcaster.

951
00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:21,500
There's code bases I'm really afraid to let

952
00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:22,980
it mess with.

953
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:23,400
Sure.

954
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:24,680
And that's understandable.

955
00:36:24,900 --> 00:36:27,020
I'm just freewheeling my ass off here, brother.

956
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:27,900
I'm like, woohoo!

957
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:29,020
Sell it!

958
00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:29,340
Yeah.

959
00:36:29,420 --> 00:36:30,500
People will buy this.

960
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:30,920
Yeah!

961
00:36:31,860 --> 00:36:38,520
I mean, like, the thing, but it's like,

962
00:36:38,580 --> 00:36:40,640
I think I'll get there one day when

963
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,900
I sort of figure out, okay, I can

964
00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:45,540
bring it in to help me do this.

965
00:36:45,940 --> 00:36:47,240
Well, okay.

966
00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:51,640
For instance, the other day I needed, this

967
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,960
was for something I was doing in Godcaster.

968
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,560
I needed a PHP function that would just

969
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,640
take any string as input and just return

970
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,320
nothing but an, and strip out any characters

971
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:06,820
that were not alphanumeric.

972
00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:08,380
Super simple.

973
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:11,100
I've written this function a hundred times.

974
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:12,560
It's not hard.

975
00:37:12,700 --> 00:37:13,920
It's like one line of code.

976
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:16,200
If you, you know, if you do it

977
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:16,460
right.

978
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,900
And so I was like, well, but like,

979
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,480
it was faster for me to just ask

980
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,660
Juni to write the function.

981
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:26,120
It did.

982
00:37:26,180 --> 00:37:27,140
It was like, boom, done.

983
00:37:27,220 --> 00:37:28,460
And I copied and pasted it in.

984
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:28,700
Yeah.

985
00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:29,900
Like, I can see it.

986
00:37:29,980 --> 00:37:32,100
Like, it's kind of putting out fires.

987
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:33,220
It was easy.

988
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:34,880
It was quicker for me to have the

989
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,740
thing write it than to go hunt down

990
00:37:36,740 --> 00:37:38,760
another repo, copy and paste the thing I

991
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:39,420
wrote out of it.

992
00:37:39,420 --> 00:37:39,600
Yep.

993
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,460
That was faster.

994
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,460
So I think the other, the other thing

995
00:37:45,460 --> 00:37:49,320
that I observed with Claude in this, I'm

996
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,340
going to take this back to Silicon Valley,

997
00:37:52,660 --> 00:37:55,880
just grossness.

998
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,580
This is just the Silicon Valley.

999
00:38:00,220 --> 00:38:02,560
Anthropic, I think, are they Silicon Valley or

1000
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:02,880
are they?

1001
00:38:02,980 --> 00:38:03,260
Oh yeah.

1002
00:38:03,580 --> 00:38:03,920
Oh yeah.

1003
00:38:04,060 --> 00:38:04,420
Okay.

1004
00:38:04,580 --> 00:38:04,680
Okay.

1005
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,900
This, this is their way.

1006
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,380
So I did the $20 a month plan.

1007
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,180
They got your money.

1008
00:38:14,420 --> 00:38:15,280
We got one.

1009
00:38:15,740 --> 00:38:16,700
We got one.

1010
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,080
And it would.

1011
00:38:19,660 --> 00:38:22,080
So the first, that first repo that I

1012
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,880
asked to do the conversion on that windows

1013
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:28,600
app, it used up like 80 something percent

1014
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,500
of my, of my usage window.

1015
00:38:32,140 --> 00:38:33,220
Oh, okay.

1016
00:38:33,380 --> 00:38:34,620
Not of your credits, of your money.

1017
00:38:35,860 --> 00:38:38,200
So the way this, the way this thing

1018
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,840
works is you have, you have time slices

1019
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:45,240
where you can, you have an overall credit

1020
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,320
amount that lasts for like a week.

1021
00:38:48,140 --> 00:38:51,300
And then you have, excuse me, you have

1022
00:38:51,300 --> 00:38:52,640
a credit amount for the month.

1023
00:38:52,860 --> 00:38:56,420
Then you also have individual time slices.

1024
00:38:56,420 --> 00:38:58,160
There's one that's a week long and then

1025
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,500
there's one that's like hours long.

1026
00:39:00,500 --> 00:39:04,000
And if you, if you bump up to

1027
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,900
your usage window, uh, uses limit for that

1028
00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:09,640
window, it'll come back and say, you know,

1029
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,060
Hey, you've used almost everything for, uh, for

1030
00:39:12,060 --> 00:39:12,880
this session.

1031
00:39:13,300 --> 00:39:16,300
You're going to have to wait until one

1032
00:39:16,300 --> 00:39:18,980
o'clock for things to reset.

1033
00:39:19,820 --> 00:39:24,520
And so the, the, the effect this has,

1034
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,500
they give you two options.

1035
00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:28,340
Now here's your options in the, in the,

1036
00:39:28,340 --> 00:39:30,660
in the, in the app is you can

1037
00:39:30,660 --> 00:39:33,880
either stop and wait for your, for your

1038
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,640
time window to reset or upgrade or upgrade

1039
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:38,180
exactly.

1040
00:39:38,420 --> 00:39:40,700
Or you can upgrade and the next plan

1041
00:39:40,700 --> 00:39:41,340
is $200.

1042
00:39:42,580 --> 00:39:44,460
It goes from 20 to 200.

1043
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:46,380
But see, this is what I've been saying.

1044
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,400
And I, I don't think that's a Silicon

1045
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:49,360
Valley ickiness.

1046
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,100
It's, they've been giving this away.

1047
00:39:52,100 --> 00:39:56,720
They've not, they've been losing 90% on,

1048
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,280
you know, on, on their, their cashflow because

1049
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,600
it, you know, for every dollar you spend,

1050
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,860
they're giving you $10 worth of compute.

1051
00:40:05,580 --> 00:40:08,180
So they have, they, and 11 labs has

1052
00:40:08,180 --> 00:40:11,160
figured this out because we use 11 labs

1053
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,000
for our, uh, for our, the, we call

1054
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:14,900
it your town live.

1055
00:40:16,020 --> 00:40:18,100
So, um, you can do a couple of

1056
00:40:18,100 --> 00:40:18,620
different things.

1057
00:40:18,620 --> 00:40:19,740
You can load up the podcast.

1058
00:40:19,740 --> 00:40:23,020
You can have the most recent episode from

1059
00:40:23,020 --> 00:40:25,400
a, from a podcast play in use in

1060
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,300
this live 24 hour stream.

1061
00:40:27,580 --> 00:40:29,180
It does music.

1062
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,640
It does a station IDs, promos.

1063
00:40:31,740 --> 00:40:34,740
Now most churches don't have somebody to voice

1064
00:40:34,740 --> 00:40:36,620
promos or do a local news report.

1065
00:40:36,620 --> 00:40:39,000
So I built a little quote unquote studio

1066
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,140
and, um, you know, and so you just

1067
00:40:42,140 --> 00:40:44,780
copy paste some texts in there and it's

1068
00:40:44,780 --> 00:40:45,580
actually pretty good.

1069
00:40:45,580 --> 00:40:47,840
I mean, the, the voices that I've, that

1070
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,400
I've selected for this, they can use it.

1071
00:40:49,540 --> 00:40:51,480
Customers can use any voice they want, but

1072
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:52,680
works pretty well.

1073
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,120
And so just from running a few different,

1074
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,920
uh, uh, servers like yours, Gordon, uh, hello,

1075
00:41:01,060 --> 00:41:03,980
Fred, uh, hello, Franklin is still on it.

1076
00:41:04,500 --> 00:41:07,780
Uh, although paying customers now use their own

1077
00:41:07,780 --> 00:41:10,880
API key for 11 labs, you know, it's

1078
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,280
like all of a sudden, Oh, it's 140

1079
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:13,700
bucks a month all of a sudden.

1080
00:41:13,700 --> 00:41:17,840
But, but it's fair because you are using

1081
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,020
those compute cycles.

1082
00:41:19,180 --> 00:41:22,740
Now, what I'm personally now thinking is, well,

1083
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,200
in two years, maybe less when all of

1084
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,480
these Nvidia cards have to be replaced by

1085
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,520
the hottest new Nvidia thing, I want to

1086
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,180
go buy a couple and use them at

1087
00:41:33,180 --> 00:41:33,400
home.

1088
00:41:33,540 --> 00:41:33,960
Yes.

1089
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,900
That's, that's, that's the ticket.

1090
00:41:36,460 --> 00:41:38,280
I was talking to Alex last night and

1091
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:39,380
I made the same point.

1092
00:41:39,380 --> 00:41:42,780
I think the future of the, of all

1093
00:41:42,780 --> 00:41:44,220
of this stuff is clear.

1094
00:41:44,380 --> 00:41:46,060
And this goes back, this is kind of

1095
00:41:46,060 --> 00:41:47,040
what I was getting out with the Silicon

1096
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:47,840
Valley ickiness.

1097
00:41:48,380 --> 00:41:51,220
The future of all this stuff is it's

1098
00:41:51,220 --> 00:41:51,980
going to be local.

1099
00:41:52,540 --> 00:41:55,880
You're, you're going like the, everything is running

1100
00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:00,140
to my hardware right now is going, is

1101
00:42:00,140 --> 00:42:04,540
moving from discrete GPUs and then a system

1102
00:42:04,540 --> 00:42:05,300
on a chip.

1103
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,540
Excuse me, a system on a chip with

1104
00:42:08,540 --> 00:42:10,380
a discrete GPU connected by PCIe.

1105
00:42:10,980 --> 00:42:14,420
It's moving to unified memory with an, with

1106
00:42:14,420 --> 00:42:16,580
an APU or NPU built on the package.

1107
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:17,920
Like Apple stuff, you mean?

1108
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:19,140
Yes, exactly.

1109
00:42:19,260 --> 00:42:21,240
It's going to, so the new Ryzen hardware

1110
00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:22,100
is that way.

1111
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,760
The Nvidia hardware, like in the DGX Spark

1112
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,160
and that it's also that way.

1113
00:42:27,540 --> 00:42:30,700
And you'll, the future of hardware in general

1114
00:42:30,700 --> 00:42:34,440
is going to be, you know, 128 gigs

1115
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,700
of RAM on an SOC and it's just

1116
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:39,540
unified memory that's shared by the GPU and

1117
00:42:39,540 --> 00:42:40,700
the, and the CPU.

1118
00:42:41,580 --> 00:42:43,120
And when we get to that point, like,

1119
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,220
so one thing, one thing I've been doing

1120
00:42:45,220 --> 00:42:48,100
is I've been testing a whole bunch.

1121
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,160
We have for a project at work, my

1122
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:55,580
day job, we have, I've set up a

1123
00:42:55,580 --> 00:42:59,200
Olama server and we're testing some, some different

1124
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,280
models for some things.

1125
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,100
And so the, the model that I've been

1126
00:43:04,100 --> 00:43:06,700
testing with right now is GL, GLM 4

1127
00:43:06,700 --> 00:43:08,080
.7 flash.

1128
00:43:09,220 --> 00:43:11,500
That model is fantastic.

1129
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,960
It is amazing at generating code.

1130
00:43:14,180 --> 00:43:17,900
Like if, if you, if you had 128

1131
00:43:17,900 --> 00:43:22,200
gig of RAM, unified memory, local machine running

1132
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,360
that GLM 4.7 model, oh, you could

1133
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,520
cook man with, with open code, which is

1134
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,020
like an open source version of cloud code.

1135
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,360
It supports plugins just like cloud code does.

1136
00:43:35,100 --> 00:43:38,560
Like you, I think within two, two to

1137
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,900
three years to local LLMs that rival what

1138
00:43:42,900 --> 00:43:44,840
Claude and them are doing are going to

1139
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,100
be completely accessible.

1140
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,220
And isn't this, we were actually talking about

1141
00:43:48,220 --> 00:43:49,860
this last night in our group chat.

1142
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:53,060
Isn't this where, I mean, the whole world

1143
00:43:53,060 --> 00:43:56,380
is always centralized, decentralized, centralized, decentralized.

1144
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,260
With this most recent 365 outage where the

1145
00:44:00,260 --> 00:44:02,700
whole corporate world had no email.

1146
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:03,740
Yeah.

1147
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:05,380
I mean, come on.

1148
00:44:05,580 --> 00:44:08,900
It's like, it's like a no brainer, but

1149
00:44:08,900 --> 00:44:12,060
we've, the whole internet was built for decentralized

1150
00:44:12,060 --> 00:44:12,380
use.

1151
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:14,900
And they were like, Oh, the cloud, put

1152
00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:15,860
it in the cloud, put it in cloud,

1153
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,480
cloud, cloud, cloud, because they didn't want to

1154
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,780
pay Dave Jones to maintain the servers.

1155
00:44:20,460 --> 00:44:21,880
No, it'd be more, so much smarter.

1156
00:44:21,980 --> 00:44:23,300
Look, I got the, I got the pitch

1157
00:44:23,300 --> 00:44:24,100
from Amazon.

1158
00:44:26,780 --> 00:44:29,820
But then when it goes out, like the

1159
00:44:29,820 --> 00:44:31,340
whole world falls apart.

1160
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,280
Like the lie, the lie of the cloud

1161
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,600
has been, and it's been the lie, the

1162
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,320
lie of, of big tech from the beginning.

1163
00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:43,760
Do you remember, do you remember when the

1164
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:44,900
cloud push first started?

1165
00:44:45,260 --> 00:44:49,240
The big talking point was in this, as

1166
00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:52,180
an IT manager or sys admin or anything

1167
00:44:52,180 --> 00:44:54,380
like that, you heard this ad nauseum to

1168
00:44:54,380 --> 00:44:55,200
your blue in the face.

1169
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,480
You heard the phrase from sales guys, tech

1170
00:44:58,480 --> 00:44:59,100
sales guys.

1171
00:44:59,820 --> 00:45:01,640
You can, this will get moving to the

1172
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,300
cloud will allow you to convert from CapEx

1173
00:45:04,300 --> 00:45:05,040
to OpEx.

1174
00:45:05,180 --> 00:45:05,460
Yeah.

1175
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:06,640
Yes.

1176
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,640
Except your OpEx is X10.

1177
00:45:10,340 --> 00:45:11,060
Yeah, exactly.

1178
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,560
But, but that was a lie because the,

1179
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,700
you, you converted to OpEx, which only just

1180
00:45:18,700 --> 00:45:20,060
means a month, monthly billing.

1181
00:45:20,060 --> 00:45:24,820
You converted to OpEx and then in the

1182
00:45:24,820 --> 00:45:29,020
last seven to eight years, all the cloud

1183
00:45:29,020 --> 00:45:31,540
providers have switched back to, you have to

1184
00:45:31,540 --> 00:45:32,540
buy a year in advance.

1185
00:45:32,780 --> 00:45:33,040
Yes.

1186
00:45:33,420 --> 00:45:35,120
So it's not back to CapEx again.

1187
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:36,600
They lie.

1188
00:45:36,700 --> 00:45:39,140
They're liars that we saw this with, with

1189
00:45:39,140 --> 00:45:40,600
Intuit and QuickBooks Online.

1190
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,960
They were giving that away, that product away,

1191
00:45:44,340 --> 00:45:45,500
giving it away.

1192
00:45:45,980 --> 00:45:47,380
I mean, you could get that thing in

1193
00:45:47,380 --> 00:45:49,060
the early days when they first launched it.

1194
00:45:49,060 --> 00:45:51,060
You could get that thing for nothing.

1195
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:52,400
It came free.

1196
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,320
It came free with your, with your tax,

1197
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,060
with your TurboTax.

1198
00:45:56,860 --> 00:45:56,980
Yeah.

1199
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:57,520
Yeah.

1200
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,400
Buy a pixel and you got a free,

1201
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,100
you know, it's like free three months.

1202
00:46:01,260 --> 00:46:01,600
Yeah.

1203
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:02,720
You could get that thing.

1204
00:46:02,980 --> 00:46:05,900
Now it is through the roof expensive.

1205
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:06,420
Yeah.

1206
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,300
Through the roof and it goes up on

1207
00:46:08,300 --> 00:46:10,540
a, and the price increases on a predictable

1208
00:46:10,540 --> 00:46:14,060
schedule and you're, you're now you're in the

1209
00:46:14,060 --> 00:46:14,400
treadmill.

1210
00:46:14,740 --> 00:46:17,020
So that whole thing and, and the, the

1211
00:46:17,020 --> 00:46:18,100
way it was being sold in the early

1212
00:46:18,100 --> 00:46:20,000
days is, you know, Hey, switch to the

1213
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,360
cloud version of, of your accounting softwares.

1214
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:23,380
Cause it's so much cheaper.

1215
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,140
Big tech will lie to you all the

1216
00:46:27,140 --> 00:46:27,400
time.

1217
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,400
And I think that the story of, I

1218
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,640
think the story of AI is going to

1219
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,960
be that it is going to empower people,

1220
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:39,160
coders, because I don't know that AI is

1221
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,040
going to be super useful for much beyond

1222
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:45,100
code, you know, and tech oriented things, general

1223
00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:46,040
knowledge stuff.

1224
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,500
I mean, it's still just kind of lame,

1225
00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:52,740
but like outside of, you know, that special

1226
00:46:52,740 --> 00:46:55,780
use case, it's going to allow technologists and

1227
00:46:55,780 --> 00:46:59,560
coders and those kinds of people to hyper

1228
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,880
personalize and bring their stuff back out of

1229
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,020
these big tech stacks.

1230
00:47:03,220 --> 00:47:03,640
Yeah.

1231
00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:04,880
I mean, this is going to be a

1232
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:05,560
big deal for that.

1233
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,060
N8n, you familiar with N8n?

1234
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:10,700
Oh, why does that sound familiar?

1235
00:47:10,700 --> 00:47:13,180
It's a, it's a AI workflow builder.

1236
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:14,360
Okay.

1237
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,100
So, so you can connect a model to,

1238
00:47:18,340 --> 00:47:21,620
you know, to a, to a cloud model,

1239
00:47:21,780 --> 00:47:25,040
something local to some other service, you know,

1240
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:26,960
it's you basically draw a little flow chart

1241
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,980
and of course you can buy their service

1242
00:47:29,980 --> 00:47:31,520
so we can get the open source product.

1243
00:47:31,940 --> 00:47:34,700
But I just see in general across all

1244
00:47:34,700 --> 00:47:37,780
types of services, we have to move away

1245
00:47:37,780 --> 00:47:39,420
from these gigantic services.

1246
00:47:40,220 --> 00:47:42,200
I mean, CloudFlare will be the last one

1247
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:42,680
to go.

1248
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,280
And that's a complicated one just because of

1249
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,540
the nature of, of web traffic and, you

1250
00:47:50,540 --> 00:47:52,060
know, just caching.

1251
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:53,660
It's, that's complicated.

1252
00:47:54,900 --> 00:47:57,960
But why in the world would you rely,

1253
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,660
I mean, this latest 365 outage being because

1254
00:48:01,660 --> 00:48:04,380
we saw some bounces coming back from Marriott.

1255
00:48:04,660 --> 00:48:04,880
Okay.

1256
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:05,560
Marriott.

1257
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:07,480
Oh, it was everybody.

1258
00:48:07,660 --> 00:48:07,820
Yeah.

1259
00:48:07,860 --> 00:48:08,060
Yeah.

1260
00:48:08,060 --> 00:48:08,760
It was everybody.

1261
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,220
I mean, this is when I, you know,

1262
00:48:10,220 --> 00:48:11,620
when I tell Tina, it's like, blah, blah,

1263
00:48:11,620 --> 00:48:11,720
blah, blah.

1264
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:14,720
Like the, the, the 365 took out corporate

1265
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:15,020
emails.

1266
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:16,380
Well, like Marriott.

1267
00:48:16,500 --> 00:48:18,580
And then she's like, she realized, Oh crap.

1268
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:19,900
Well, that's a problem.

1269
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:20,360
Yeah.

1270
00:48:20,940 --> 00:48:21,320
Yeah.

1271
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:22,440
It's a huge problem.

1272
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,260
This, this stops business dead in its tracks.

1273
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,460
You know, it's just, it's, it's, I just

1274
00:48:28,460 --> 00:48:30,660
don't think it's useful anymore.

1275
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,540
And of course ultimately we have to eventually,

1276
00:48:33,540 --> 00:48:37,260
I hope go back to allowing people to

1277
00:48:37,260 --> 00:48:39,240
run a small service from their house.

1278
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,020
You know, this, this will be problematic because

1279
00:48:43,020 --> 00:48:46,840
of the asynchronous nature of cable, internet access,

1280
00:48:47,020 --> 00:48:48,320
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

1281
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,980
And legalities and all this stuff.

1282
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,180
But we have to decentralize it eventually because

1283
00:48:54,180 --> 00:48:56,360
these big outages will only get worse and

1284
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:57,040
worse and worse.

1285
00:48:57,100 --> 00:48:59,080
And life will just come to a grinding

1286
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:00,660
halt every single time.

1287
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,980
I mean, I could, you know, the good

1288
00:49:05,980 --> 00:49:10,040
thing is like most, most people have available

1289
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,740
to them at their home resources they don't

1290
00:49:13,740 --> 00:49:14,700
even know exist.

1291
00:49:15,020 --> 00:49:15,460
Yeah.

1292
00:49:15,460 --> 00:49:18,180
Like a, a corporate, you, you could probably

1293
00:49:18,180 --> 00:49:19,980
call your call AT&T if you have

1294
00:49:19,980 --> 00:49:22,640
AT&T fiber or some kind of cable

1295
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,440
fiber or whatever, you can probably call them

1296
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,220
right now and get like a quote unquote

1297
00:49:27,220 --> 00:49:30,560
corporate corporate plan and get a static IP

1298
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:31,880
and all this kind of stuff.

1299
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,160
And you could just start serving things from

1300
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:33,640
your house.

1301
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,320
Well, even, even with Tor, because that's what

1302
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,580
Start9 uses and Umbral as well.

1303
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:43,080
I am perfectly happy accessing my Start9 because

1304
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,940
I run a, a NextCloud on it.

1305
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:47,480
It's fine.

1306
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,920
You know, I start up or bought or

1307
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,380
bought onion thing, whatever that is on my

1308
00:49:52,380 --> 00:49:52,800
phone.

1309
00:49:53,540 --> 00:49:56,120
And it's like, Oh, okay, this working just

1310
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:56,580
fine.

1311
00:49:56,820 --> 00:49:59,000
You know, I can give somebody that address

1312
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,480
and then they can access it.

1313
00:50:00,860 --> 00:50:04,200
You know, it's not like complicated, uh, nat

1314
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:05,840
traversing and all this stuff.

1315
00:50:05,940 --> 00:50:07,220
And of course we have other ways to

1316
00:50:07,220 --> 00:50:07,880
do that as well.

1317
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,840
But for simpletons or noobs or whatever, plebs,

1318
00:50:11,900 --> 00:50:14,120
whatever you want to call them, you know,

1319
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,320
that type of system that you can run

1320
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:18,600
yourself for your family.

1321
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:21,540
Now, of course, email is complicated because of

1322
00:50:21,540 --> 00:50:23,340
SMTP blockage.

1323
00:50:23,340 --> 00:50:24,520
And there's all kinds of issues.

1324
00:50:24,540 --> 00:50:27,460
But man, I love void zero who has

1325
00:50:27,460 --> 00:50:29,940
been running my email server for over a

1326
00:50:29,940 --> 00:50:30,360
decade.

1327
00:50:31,100 --> 00:50:33,320
Then it is, I just love the fact

1328
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:37,260
that my email works, you know, and, and

1329
00:50:37,260 --> 00:50:39,020
we can stop certain things.

1330
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:40,200
We can hamper things.

1331
00:50:40,260 --> 00:50:42,040
We can do all kinds of stuff to

1332
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,640
make it customized for me, for the way

1333
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,040
I want it to run and what I

1334
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,020
want it to allow and not allow, you

1335
00:50:49,020 --> 00:50:51,560
know, and, and I don't know, it's just,

1336
00:50:51,620 --> 00:50:53,420
it's, it seems like we're, we just went

1337
00:50:53,420 --> 00:50:55,460
down this path and we all went nuts.

1338
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,200
And so AI, yeah.

1339
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:59,720
I mean, you're absolutely right.

1340
00:50:59,980 --> 00:51:02,320
It's still too expensive, but it'll, it'll start

1341
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:03,060
becoming available.

1342
00:51:03,060 --> 00:51:04,600
And I'll just put something here at the

1343
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,060
house and I'll just use that.

1344
00:51:06,540 --> 00:51:08,780
Well, I started, you know, I, I tried

1345
00:51:08,780 --> 00:51:10,420
to make this point a while back, and

1346
00:51:10,420 --> 00:51:11,640
I don't know if it's true or not,

1347
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,940
but it feels true to me that, that

1348
00:51:14,940 --> 00:51:16,640
I feel like, you know, a lot of

1349
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,820
the expense of the local AI components right

1350
00:51:19,820 --> 00:51:22,880
now, it's not just an accident of the

1351
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,120
market being in a bubble.

1352
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,740
I think it's also somewhat intentional because like

1353
00:51:27,740 --> 00:51:30,100
Ram is incredibly expensive right now.

1354
00:51:30,260 --> 00:51:32,000
You know, the Ram shortage is nuts.

1355
00:51:32,140 --> 00:51:33,020
Yeah, it is bad.

1356
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:35,120
Who does that help?

1357
00:51:35,980 --> 00:51:36,780
Big tech.

1358
00:51:36,980 --> 00:51:37,400
Yeah, of course.

1359
00:51:37,420 --> 00:51:38,660
Because they're the only ones that can afford

1360
00:51:38,660 --> 00:51:38,760
it.

1361
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,860
I think it's beyond just a coincidence that

1362
00:51:42,860 --> 00:51:47,340
this, that these things are very, these components

1363
00:51:47,340 --> 00:51:49,600
are very expensive for home users to get

1364
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,000
their hands on because if they weren't the

1365
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,500
demand for big, for the big hyperscaler AI

1366
00:51:57,500 --> 00:51:58,960
providers, I think would vanish.

1367
00:51:59,720 --> 00:52:02,820
I think that's part of the moat is

1368
00:52:02,820 --> 00:52:05,840
the, is the bubble induced expense.

1369
00:52:06,140 --> 00:52:08,100
I think it's just poor planning.

1370
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:09,000
I don't know.

1371
00:52:09,060 --> 00:52:11,400
It's sees more like supply chain, like people

1372
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:11,920
just buy.

1373
00:52:12,020 --> 00:52:14,120
I don't know if that's on purpose.

1374
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,300
It's just the way the beast works.

1375
00:52:16,300 --> 00:52:18,940
I think no one was thinking about it.

1376
00:52:20,300 --> 00:52:22,020
I just, I don't know.

1377
00:52:22,100 --> 00:52:23,600
I have a gut, I have a feeling

1378
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:28,320
that the, that part of the whole site,

1379
00:52:28,420 --> 00:52:32,060
you know, incestuous financial cycle between the big

1380
00:52:32,060 --> 00:52:36,260
AI providers, the cyclical finance is to push

1381
00:52:36,260 --> 00:52:38,220
the price up where it's out of reach

1382
00:52:38,220 --> 00:52:39,940
of anybody that's not them.

1383
00:52:41,060 --> 00:52:43,920
I think maybe, maybe.

1384
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,380
If you had, if you had, if you

1385
00:52:46,380 --> 00:52:50,540
had a DGX spark level equipment that was

1386
00:52:50,540 --> 00:52:51,520
1200 bucks.

1387
00:52:52,340 --> 00:52:52,440
Yeah.

1388
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:53,960
Oh, I mean people would be buying them

1389
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,060
like hotcakes, but because they're $4,000 most

1390
00:52:57,060 --> 00:52:57,780
people won't.

1391
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,000
Yeah, but it's, but their whole business, listen,

1392
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,940
Silicon Valley's business model online is advertising.

1393
00:53:05,940 --> 00:53:09,600
That's so they're in a whole new, the

1394
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,980
whole new world that, you know, like, Oh,

1395
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,980
we got to actually charge people for stuff.

1396
00:53:13,980 --> 00:53:17,380
And yeah, people will pay 20 bucks maybe

1397
00:53:17,380 --> 00:53:19,660
for the chat bot, you know, but that

1398
00:53:19,660 --> 00:53:20,260
gets old.

1399
00:53:20,300 --> 00:53:21,680
It'll be the first thing to go.

1400
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,480
I think the world of software developers is

1401
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,800
quite small on a, on a, on a

1402
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:28,160
scale.

1403
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,240
So they're always going to try and find

1404
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:35,820
things that will, you know, the parlor tricks,

1405
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,860
you know, like art generation and song generation

1406
00:53:39,860 --> 00:53:42,820
and stupid stuff that, that, you know, that

1407
00:53:42,820 --> 00:53:44,800
will, that it just gets old where they're,

1408
00:53:44,940 --> 00:53:46,900
where they're still trying to figure out what

1409
00:53:46,900 --> 00:53:48,740
it's a, it's human level intelligence.

1410
00:53:48,900 --> 00:53:49,240
Okay.

1411
00:53:49,380 --> 00:53:52,460
Artificial intelligence to me is like artificial flavoring.

1412
00:53:52,460 --> 00:53:53,040
Tastes good.

1413
00:53:54,300 --> 00:53:55,100
We'll kill you.

1414
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:56,300
It will kill you at the end.

1415
00:53:57,220 --> 00:54:00,560
So anyway, how does this fit into podcasting?

1416
00:54:01,260 --> 00:54:01,700
Yeah.

1417
00:54:01,860 --> 00:54:03,800
I don't know that that part does.

1418
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,440
Well, other than the fact, well, well, uh,

1419
00:54:09,060 --> 00:54:13,060
CC Lawton created a podcast index MCP server.

1420
00:54:13,420 --> 00:54:13,680
Yes.

1421
00:54:14,140 --> 00:54:15,960
Which, uh, yeah, we, we didn't have a

1422
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,980
show last week, so we didn't talk about

1423
00:54:17,980 --> 00:54:18,220
it.

1424
00:54:18,300 --> 00:54:20,360
Have you, uh, fired this up?

1425
00:54:20,900 --> 00:54:21,420
No.

1426
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,580
I'm going to put the, uh, I'm going

1427
00:54:24,580 --> 00:54:28,080
to put the GitHub issue talking about it

1428
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:28,980
into the boardroom.

1429
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,900
Um, I have not had time to fire

1430
00:54:31,900 --> 00:54:32,280
it up.

1431
00:54:32,580 --> 00:54:36,080
Um, but he came back today and said

1432
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,260
he wrote a sample app.

1433
00:54:37,460 --> 00:54:41,400
Oh, sample Android app that uses the, that

1434
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:42,300
uses this.

1435
00:54:42,380 --> 00:54:43,020
Oh, wow.

1436
00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:45,480
Did he email us both about this?

1437
00:54:45,540 --> 00:54:46,040
I haven't seen.

1438
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:47,540
No, he just posted in the issue.

1439
00:54:47,660 --> 00:54:48,460
Oh, okay.

1440
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,740
In that issue as a, as a reply.

1441
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,260
So it would be good to have people

1442
00:54:55,260 --> 00:54:56,480
jump in and give this a whirl.

1443
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,140
If, if anybody has time to do it,

1444
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:00,960
uh, it's still on my to do list,

1445
00:55:01,020 --> 00:55:04,380
but how, how does it, my, my question

1446
00:55:04,380 --> 00:55:09,440
is, since I'm not familiar enough with MCP

1447
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,560
to know what the backend of the MCP

1448
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:15,060
looks like is, I'm not sure how it

1449
00:55:15,060 --> 00:55:17,780
is translating for those who don't know what

1450
00:55:17,780 --> 00:55:19,640
MCP is, it's model context protocol.

1451
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,200
It's basically a, it acts as a proxy

1452
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:29,700
between an AI agent and some API based

1453
00:55:29,700 --> 00:55:31,780
service somewhere that you want to get information

1454
00:55:31,780 --> 00:55:32,400
from.

1455
00:55:33,060 --> 00:55:35,780
So it, it tell it, it allows the,

1456
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,360
if you ask a question to an agent

1457
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:45,000
about podcast index data, having an MCP interface

1458
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,020
to the AP to the podcast index API

1459
00:55:47,020 --> 00:55:52,560
would allow the agent to call and ask

1460
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,380
for that API information in a way, in

1461
00:55:55,380 --> 00:55:57,500
a reasonable, sane way.

1462
00:55:58,300 --> 00:56:02,140
It can, you, it can intelligently talk to

1463
00:56:02,140 --> 00:56:03,960
the API in the way that the API

1464
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:05,120
wants it to.

1465
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:11,180
The question I have though, is that I

1466
00:56:11,180 --> 00:56:17,200
don't know how those translations play out in

1467
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:17,700
practice.

1468
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:21,180
So if you, are there scenarios where you,

1469
00:56:21,180 --> 00:56:23,720
where the agent would just blast the API

1470
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:27,860
with sort of like trying to grip it?

1471
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,540
Could it just flood the API with, you

1472
00:56:34,540 --> 00:56:36,400
know, a thousand calls a second?

1473
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:37,760
I don't know.

1474
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:40,700
So that's kind of what I need to

1475
00:56:40,700 --> 00:56:43,140
kind of get my head around is what,

1476
00:56:44,460 --> 00:56:46,680
given a certain set of inputs from the

1477
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,340
agent on the front end, and how does

1478
00:56:48,340 --> 00:56:51,120
that translate into API calls on the back

1479
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:51,380
end?

1480
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:52,740
What, what does that look like?

1481
00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaking of that, Lacey, see losses love sending

1482
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,280
a boost in the split to podcast index

1483
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:03,680
and get albie.com aired.

1484
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,080
Well, the, the, the Albie hub is up.

1485
00:57:07,140 --> 00:57:08,740
That's not, that's online.

1486
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,100
No, but I'm not seeing anything.

1487
00:57:12,940 --> 00:57:15,560
In fact, nothing is coming except I, I

1488
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:19,520
just got a 22 sats from the, uh,

1489
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,540
from IPFS podcast thing.

1490
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,500
The podcast index Albie hub is up.

1491
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,380
I'm, I'm, I mean, it's up, it's running

1492
00:57:30,380 --> 00:57:30,880
right now.

1493
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,220
But just cause it's running doesn't mean it's

1494
00:57:33,220 --> 00:57:33,740
receiving.

1495
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:35,480
You don't know.

1496
00:57:35,620 --> 00:57:36,020
Evidently.

1497
00:57:36,060 --> 00:57:36,740
You don't know.

1498
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:38,120
Evidently.

1499
00:57:38,420 --> 00:57:42,160
Um, but anyway, that, so that's, that's an

1500
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,320
interesting thing that I think that we, you

1501
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,980
know, I think would be a nice thing

1502
00:57:46,980 --> 00:57:49,960
to put out there into the world, that

1503
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:50,720
MCP server.

1504
00:57:50,980 --> 00:57:54,880
Well, I think, you know, to expand upon

1505
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,060
that because we kind of have some unique

1506
00:57:57,060 --> 00:58:02,160
opportunities with the podcast index within an MPC

1507
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:03,540
server like that.

1508
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,920
If, if somehow you can have another service

1509
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:12,420
that can be queried that accesses transcripts based

1510
00:58:12,420 --> 00:58:15,620
upon the availability of a transcript, et cetera.

1511
00:58:16,180 --> 00:58:19,660
Um, then you can start to get some

1512
00:58:19,660 --> 00:58:23,940
pretty interesting context searching for discovery.

1513
00:58:24,980 --> 00:58:28,720
And I can see some apps wanting to

1514
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:33,180
possibly, uh, experiment with that.

1515
00:58:34,740 --> 00:58:38,060
So this brings up, this brings up the,

1516
00:58:38,140 --> 00:58:39,760
uh, the idea I had.

1517
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,700
That's a perfect segue.

1518
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:43,620
I'm the segue king, baby.

1519
00:58:43,820 --> 00:58:44,260
Yeah.

1520
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,720
Um, but by the way, on the get

1521
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,800
hub, on the namespace repo of the get

1522
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:55,140
hub, I, I, I've turned my email notifications

1523
00:58:55,140 --> 00:58:55,620
back home.

1524
00:58:55,700 --> 00:58:57,140
I turned them off a few months ago

1525
00:58:57,140 --> 00:59:00,120
cause I was just getting flooded with stuff

1526
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,780
that like just people griping about things.

1527
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,100
I just could not, what eating up all

1528
00:59:07,100 --> 00:59:09,520
my mental people just griping about stuff.

1529
00:59:09,740 --> 00:59:10,100
Oh no.

1530
00:59:10,820 --> 00:59:12,720
So, but, but all that's calmed down.

1531
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:14,720
The, the namespace repo has calmed down.

1532
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,000
So I, I've turned email notifications back on

1533
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,240
and I'm going to get back more engaged

1534
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:20,100
with, with that.

1535
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:21,460
So that's what that was about.

1536
00:59:22,460 --> 00:59:26,280
Um, the, uh, James had mentioned that it

1537
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:27,460
was kind of a ghost town over there

1538
00:59:27,460 --> 00:59:28,580
and I was like, and I'm like, yeah,

1539
00:59:28,620 --> 00:59:32,140
cause it's cause I'm not getting any emails

1540
00:59:32,140 --> 00:59:32,600
from it.

1541
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:34,860
Um, but that's back on.

1542
00:59:35,340 --> 00:59:37,020
But, but anyway, the, the idea I had

1543
00:59:37,020 --> 00:59:44,870
was, um, we need a standardized way to

1544
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:49,730
attach our own metadata to a podcast that

1545
00:59:49,730 --> 00:59:51,330
does not supply it.

1546
00:59:53,390 --> 00:59:55,890
And so the, the reason this came up

1547
00:59:55,890 --> 01:00:00,050
for me was that, um, I subscribe, I

1548
01:00:00,050 --> 01:00:01,010
think I've mentioned to you before.

1549
01:00:01,090 --> 01:00:03,910
I'm, I've subscribed to two shows from Twitter.

1550
01:00:04,290 --> 01:00:07,350
These are, uh, it's windows weekly and security

1551
01:00:07,350 --> 01:00:07,710
now.

1552
01:00:07,770 --> 01:00:09,030
And the reason I, and I listened to

1553
01:00:09,030 --> 01:00:13,230
these shows religiously because, uh, they apply both

1554
01:00:13,230 --> 01:00:13,970
to my day job.

1555
01:00:14,350 --> 01:00:16,910
This is, um, when I listened to these

1556
01:00:16,910 --> 01:00:18,610
podcasts, it's work, not pleasure.

1557
01:00:19,790 --> 01:00:21,610
When I listened to them, it's work, not

1558
01:00:21,610 --> 01:00:23,030
pleasure, but that's a different reason.

1559
01:00:23,370 --> 01:00:24,570
It's for a different reason.

1560
01:00:25,470 --> 01:00:31,150
Um, and so the, the, the problem that

1561
01:00:31,150 --> 01:00:35,090
I've had mostly with security now, not with

1562
01:00:35,090 --> 01:00:36,510
windows weekly, but the problem I've had with

1563
01:00:36,510 --> 01:00:38,970
security now for quite a few years now

1564
01:00:38,970 --> 01:00:44,150
is that, uh, there's a, so the nature

1565
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:47,530
of that show is that Steve Gibson reads,

1566
01:00:47,830 --> 01:00:51,590
he reads like entire articles on the show.

1567
01:00:51,650 --> 01:00:54,290
And sometimes it's about a topic that I'd

1568
01:00:54,290 --> 01:00:55,670
really just do not care about.

1569
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:56,830
It doesn't apply to me.

1570
01:00:56,890 --> 01:00:58,110
It doesn't, it doesn't apply to my job.

1571
01:00:58,110 --> 01:01:00,430
And I really, really would like to skip

1572
01:01:00,430 --> 01:01:00,810
over it.

1573
01:01:01,610 --> 01:01:02,570
The chapters.

1574
01:01:02,990 --> 01:01:06,670
Well, twit doesn't has never published chapters and

1575
01:01:06,670 --> 01:01:09,670
evidently because it's podcasting 2.0 and those

1576
01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:10,810
guys are racist.

1577
01:01:13,170 --> 01:01:17,130
I think even before 2.0 chapters, he

1578
01:01:17,130 --> 01:01:18,690
was like, I don't want people skipping ads.

1579
01:01:18,770 --> 01:01:20,790
Oh, that's a point.

1580
01:01:20,910 --> 01:01:21,090
Yeah.

1581
01:01:21,870 --> 01:01:25,690
So, but then what happened was, you know,

1582
01:01:25,730 --> 01:01:27,550
I subscribed because I want to see those

1583
01:01:27,550 --> 01:01:28,450
two shows supported.

1584
01:01:28,550 --> 01:01:29,330
I want them to continue.

1585
01:01:29,410 --> 01:01:31,270
So I subscribed to the private feeds.

1586
01:01:31,310 --> 01:01:35,210
So those are ad free for a subscription

1587
01:01:35,210 --> 01:01:36,410
per month amount.

1588
01:01:36,670 --> 01:01:39,870
And I was like, Oh, okay, well check,

1589
01:01:40,030 --> 01:01:42,330
uh, maybe they'll put transcripts and chapters in

1590
01:01:42,330 --> 01:01:42,770
these.

1591
01:01:42,950 --> 01:01:43,470
No.

1592
01:01:44,350 --> 01:01:47,210
So the private feeds do not have transcripts

1593
01:01:47,210 --> 01:01:47,990
or chapters either.

1594
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:50,790
And I think it's because they're using simple

1595
01:01:50,790 --> 01:01:53,530
cast, which does not support those.

1596
01:01:54,030 --> 01:01:54,130
Okay.

1597
01:01:54,430 --> 01:01:55,170
I think.

1598
01:01:55,350 --> 01:01:57,470
So it could be a technical reason, but

1599
01:01:57,470 --> 01:01:59,430
it doesn't matter what the reason, the long

1600
01:01:59,430 --> 01:02:00,610
and short of it is that they do

1601
01:02:00,610 --> 01:02:01,370
not support it.

1602
01:02:02,490 --> 01:02:10,720
And so what happened was Apple released their

1603
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:18,220
automated transcripts and then recently released Apple podcasts,

1604
01:02:18,220 --> 01:02:22,040
released automated chapters based on the transcript.

1605
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:30,240
This was awesome for like three weeks because

1606
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:33,700
it was awesome and also unfortunate and weird

1607
01:02:33,700 --> 01:02:34,680
at the same time.

1608
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:36,900
Because what happened was, even though I'm a

1609
01:02:36,900 --> 01:02:39,880
paying customer that subscribes to the ad free

1610
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:45,100
version, suddenly the non ad free, the, the

1611
01:02:45,100 --> 01:02:49,160
one with ads in it automatically had chapters.

1612
01:02:49,980 --> 01:02:50,080
Hmm.

1613
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:52,940
So I was using Apple podcasts for a

1614
01:02:52,940 --> 01:02:56,900
few weeks to get chapters in security now

1615
01:02:56,900 --> 01:02:59,660
so that I could flip past all the

1616
01:02:59,660 --> 01:03:00,940
stuff that I didn't care about.

1617
01:03:01,300 --> 01:03:02,900
And it was so nice.

1618
01:03:03,380 --> 01:03:03,820
Wonderful.

1619
01:03:04,580 --> 01:03:06,260
So I'm like, well, I guess, even though

1620
01:03:06,260 --> 01:03:07,980
I'm paying for it and the private feed

1621
01:03:07,980 --> 01:03:10,720
doesn't support the things that I want, at

1622
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,120
least I'm getting what I want now.

1623
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,020
You feel, you feel good about yourself.

1624
01:03:14,620 --> 01:03:15,160
Yeah, yeah.

1625
01:03:15,500 --> 01:03:16,720
Well, of course, this was not going to

1626
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:19,640
last because Apple podcasts allows you to turn

1627
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,000
that off in your Apple podcast connect.

1628
01:03:22,180 --> 01:03:23,800
And they clearly got in there and did

1629
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:25,860
that because suddenly now the chapters are gone.

1630
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:31,140
So because of, because of the ads, because

1631
01:03:31,140 --> 01:03:33,000
of the ads that I don't hear anyway

1632
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:34,080
because I already paid for it.

1633
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:34,320
Yes.

1634
01:03:34,460 --> 01:03:35,940
All those for all those seasons.

1635
01:03:35,980 --> 01:03:36,260
Yeah.

1636
01:03:36,820 --> 01:03:37,420
All those reasons.

1637
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,660
So, so this got me think this has

1638
01:03:39,660 --> 01:03:43,060
been annoying me to no end for so

1639
01:03:43,060 --> 01:03:43,540
long.

1640
01:03:43,540 --> 01:03:44,680
It got me to thinking.

1641
01:03:47,890 --> 01:03:50,770
I already like where you're going with this

1642
01:03:50,770 --> 01:03:51,030
brother.

1643
01:03:51,210 --> 01:03:53,130
I can feel you, but I feel it

1644
01:03:53,130 --> 01:03:53,990
in my water.

1645
01:03:57,030 --> 01:03:58,730
He feel it in your water.

1646
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:59,690
It's a Dutchism.

1647
01:04:00,430 --> 01:04:00,870
Okay.

1648
01:04:01,170 --> 01:04:01,390
Okay.

1649
01:04:01,510 --> 01:04:02,450
Fool dumb of Arthur.

1650
01:04:02,710 --> 01:04:02,870
Yeah.

1651
01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:09,870
Uh, so the obvious, the obvious jumps into

1652
01:04:09,870 --> 01:04:11,930
everybody's mind way to solve this.

1653
01:04:11,970 --> 01:04:13,730
And I don't think it's the right way,

1654
01:04:13,770 --> 01:04:15,410
but it is the one that everybody's going

1655
01:04:15,410 --> 01:04:18,350
to think of first is create a second

1656
01:04:18,350 --> 01:04:22,210
feed, create a second feed that references the

1657
01:04:22,210 --> 01:04:25,830
enclosures of the original feed and put in

1658
01:04:25,830 --> 01:04:28,190
your own chapters and transcripts.

1659
01:04:28,190 --> 01:04:28,450
Mm.

1660
01:04:29,850 --> 01:04:33,050
You're basically creating a proxy feed, almost like

1661
01:04:33,050 --> 01:04:33,590
feed burner.

1662
01:04:33,790 --> 01:04:33,930
Right.

1663
01:04:37,010 --> 01:04:39,690
Um, of course this is a, for so

1664
01:04:39,690 --> 01:04:41,450
many reasons, this is a bad solution because

1665
01:04:41,450 --> 01:04:42,770
you're, that feed is going to get out

1666
01:04:42,770 --> 01:04:43,510
in the wild.

1667
01:04:44,450 --> 01:04:47,450
Now there's going to be another feed that

1668
01:04:47,450 --> 01:04:48,490
people are subscribing to.

1669
01:04:48,530 --> 01:04:49,630
It's just going to be a mess and

1670
01:04:49,630 --> 01:04:50,650
you don't want to get into that.

1671
01:04:50,670 --> 01:04:51,430
A bootleg feed.

1672
01:04:51,490 --> 01:04:51,690
Yes.

1673
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:52,190
Cotton gin.

1674
01:04:55,110 --> 01:04:56,790
So I just don't want to do that

1675
01:04:56,790 --> 01:04:57,470
on principle.

1676
01:04:58,190 --> 01:04:58,330
Right.

1677
01:04:59,730 --> 01:05:02,630
It seems like though, instead we have, we

1678
01:05:02,630 --> 01:05:04,530
would have the op, we have an opportunity

1679
01:05:04,530 --> 01:05:11,870
here to create a standardized interface that podcast

1680
01:05:11,870 --> 01:05:13,470
apps could accept.

1681
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:19,290
So a podcast app could allow you to

1682
01:05:19,290 --> 01:05:26,210
put in a, a, a, a, a, the

1683
01:05:26,210 --> 01:05:31,030
URL of a API that you run in

1684
01:05:31,030 --> 01:05:32,270
some sort of way, right?

1685
01:05:32,290 --> 01:05:33,610
Not even has to be an API.

1686
01:05:33,730 --> 01:05:35,030
It could be something else.

1687
01:05:35,110 --> 01:05:36,190
I don't know yet.

1688
01:05:36,570 --> 01:05:37,290
A thingamajig.

1689
01:05:37,410 --> 01:05:39,650
But it could be a thing, a podcast

1690
01:05:39,650 --> 01:05:40,310
thingamajigger.

1691
01:05:43,210 --> 01:05:47,610
And the app would simply call the thingamajigger

1692
01:05:49,210 --> 01:05:52,790
whenever it got a new episode and ask

1693
01:05:52,790 --> 01:05:58,570
the thingamajigger for amendments, metadata amendments to that

1694
01:05:58,570 --> 01:05:58,990
episode.

1695
01:06:01,810 --> 01:06:05,670
So let's say Castamatic downloads an episode of

1696
01:06:05,670 --> 01:06:06,010
security.

1697
01:06:06,110 --> 01:06:14,610
Now it takes some, some, some universally identifiable

1698
01:06:14,610 --> 01:06:17,710
part of that episode, most likely the episode

1699
01:06:17,710 --> 01:06:22,650
of the enclosure URL and then passes it

1700
01:06:22,650 --> 01:06:26,470
to the URL of the API that I

1701
01:06:26,470 --> 01:06:31,310
gave to Castamatic and asks Castamatic for, and

1702
01:06:31,310 --> 01:06:35,230
asks my API, is there anything that goes

1703
01:06:35,230 --> 01:06:37,930
along with this episode or anything you want

1704
01:06:37,930 --> 01:06:38,410
to do?

1705
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:40,270
Like, is there anything I need to know

1706
01:06:40,270 --> 01:06:41,190
about this episode?

1707
01:06:41,730 --> 01:06:44,270
And, and that API of course will be

1708
01:06:44,270 --> 01:06:48,510
run by John Spurlock as all, as all

1709
01:06:48,510 --> 01:06:49,630
extra bits are.

1710
01:06:50,370 --> 01:06:50,470
Yeah.

1711
01:06:50,550 --> 01:06:52,790
This is a, yeah, this is a JS.

1712
01:06:52,970 --> 01:06:54,030
JS project.

1713
01:06:54,170 --> 01:06:54,330
Yeah.

1714
01:06:54,410 --> 01:06:55,690
Johnny player special.

1715
01:06:57,130 --> 01:07:01,290
So this keeps everything private.

1716
01:07:02,250 --> 01:07:06,010
There's no public bootleg of a feed that's

1717
01:07:06,010 --> 01:07:11,310
out there in the wild and it's something

1718
01:07:11,310 --> 01:07:12,050
I'm paying.

1719
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:13,750
So heads, heads up, Daniel J.

1720
01:07:13,850 --> 01:07:16,250
Lewis, this is aimed squarely at you also

1721
01:07:16,250 --> 01:07:20,470
because podchapters pod.

1722
01:07:21,430 --> 01:07:24,090
If I pay, for instance, the way this

1723
01:07:24,090 --> 01:07:25,710
could work using Daniel J.

1724
01:07:25,790 --> 01:07:31,670
Lewis's podcast chat podchapters service is I could

1725
01:07:31,670 --> 01:07:34,870
ask, I could put it, I could have

1726
01:07:34,870 --> 01:07:40,570
an account, a podchapters account, and then get

1727
01:07:40,570 --> 01:07:43,850
an end point specific to me, add it

1728
01:07:43,850 --> 01:07:46,990
into your app, add it into my Castamatic.

1729
01:07:47,470 --> 01:07:50,370
Then now every time Castamatic downloads a new

1730
01:07:50,370 --> 01:07:54,310
episode, it takes the enclosure URL and asks

1731
01:07:54,310 --> 01:07:58,270
podchapters, my private podchapters end point asks it,

1732
01:07:58,810 --> 01:08:01,070
is there anything, is there anything else you

1733
01:08:01,070 --> 01:08:02,130
want to add to this?

1734
01:08:02,230 --> 01:08:03,850
And it could be just, you could return

1735
01:08:03,850 --> 01:08:04,610
just XML.

1736
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:08,530
It could just be extra XML that comes

1737
01:08:08,530 --> 01:08:10,670
back in and gets sort of virtually merged

1738
01:08:10,670 --> 01:08:15,529
into the feed item with trans.

1739
01:08:15,649 --> 01:08:17,149
It could, so you, you're going to get

1740
01:08:17,149 --> 01:08:20,390
back from the podchapters private API end point.

1741
01:08:20,529 --> 01:08:22,410
You're going to get back a chapters tag

1742
01:08:22,410 --> 01:08:24,090
and a transcript tag and all these kinds

1743
01:08:24,090 --> 01:08:25,529
of things that you paid for.

1744
01:08:26,609 --> 01:08:28,750
I would be paying for these things to

1745
01:08:28,750 --> 01:08:32,470
be generated, but the app needs to needs

1746
01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:35,290
to know a standardized way to communicate with

1747
01:08:35,290 --> 01:08:38,090
the service in order to call it and

1748
01:08:38,090 --> 01:08:38,870
get a response.

1749
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:42,189
So here, here's the obvious issues with a

1750
01:08:42,189 --> 01:08:43,050
great idea.

1751
01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:46,790
I am all for, because I had to

1752
01:08:46,790 --> 01:08:56,390
re realign my heart with people playing my

1753
01:08:56,390 --> 01:09:01,790
podcast at 2.0 speed with people using

1754
01:09:01,790 --> 01:09:05,649
silent skippers, because I feel that that's my

1755
01:09:05,649 --> 01:09:08,189
art and this is, this is how I

1756
01:09:08,189 --> 01:09:09,529
want you to consume it.

1757
01:09:10,010 --> 01:09:14,250
But of course I have no, I have

1758
01:09:14,250 --> 01:09:17,250
no say over how someone wants to consume

1759
01:09:17,250 --> 01:09:17,850
my art.

1760
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:19,590
They may burn it to a CD.

1761
01:09:20,189 --> 01:09:21,729
You know, there's all these different things you

1762
01:09:21,729 --> 01:09:22,109
can do.

1763
01:09:22,550 --> 01:09:27,010
The minute you introduce a paid service, because

1764
01:09:27,010 --> 01:09:30,710
this is no different than the the, the

1765
01:09:30,710 --> 01:09:32,870
app I think that James was talking about

1766
01:09:32,870 --> 01:09:36,050
on pod news today or the past two

1767
01:09:36,050 --> 01:09:44,689
days that skips ads, that reroutes around tracking

1768
01:09:44,689 --> 01:09:46,490
URLs, including OP3.

1769
01:09:47,930 --> 01:09:51,069
So to have that personally and to use

1770
01:09:51,069 --> 01:09:53,210
that personally completely valid.

1771
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:56,650
The minute this is a paid service, that

1772
01:09:56,650 --> 01:09:58,910
paid service has a huge target on its

1773
01:09:58,910 --> 01:10:04,070
back because the publisher I feel has right

1774
01:10:04,070 --> 01:10:09,350
to say, Hey, you're taking my content, adding

1775
01:10:09,350 --> 01:10:14,170
on some value to it that diminishes my

1776
01:10:14,170 --> 01:10:14,730
value.

1777
01:10:15,510 --> 01:10:16,950
Do you understand what I'm saying?

1778
01:10:16,990 --> 01:10:18,970
Because it will, if the minute you have

1779
01:10:18,970 --> 01:10:21,250
this, one of those extra things in the

1780
01:10:21,250 --> 01:10:23,390
API will be skip the ads.

1781
01:10:23,490 --> 01:10:26,730
It's, it's, it's, it's clear as day.

1782
01:10:26,910 --> 01:10:31,710
So if you have that yourself, or let's

1783
01:10:31,710 --> 01:10:34,130
say there's an open source app that does

1784
01:10:34,130 --> 01:10:36,570
that, nothing can be done.

1785
01:10:38,910 --> 01:10:41,230
And it would be up to the individual

1786
01:10:41,230 --> 01:10:43,710
like you do like, well, I'm paying for

1787
01:10:43,710 --> 01:10:45,310
it over here, so I feel good about

1788
01:10:45,310 --> 01:10:45,550
it.

1789
01:10:45,770 --> 01:10:47,290
But that will be 1% of the

1790
01:10:47,290 --> 01:10:47,610
people.

1791
01:10:49,950 --> 01:10:53,950
So in theory, it's a great idea, but

1792
01:10:53,950 --> 01:10:56,350
I just don't see how anyone can implement

1793
01:10:56,350 --> 01:10:59,510
that in a commercial way such as an

1794
01:10:59,510 --> 01:11:02,190
app, even if you're taking donations or, you

1795
01:11:02,190 --> 01:11:05,350
know, you have an extra, uh, full paid

1796
01:11:05,350 --> 01:11:06,410
version, et cetera.

1797
01:11:06,770 --> 01:11:08,750
I think that's just asking for trouble.

1798
01:11:10,850 --> 01:11:11,370
Yeah.

1799
01:11:11,370 --> 01:11:14,410
The, I think the concept works.

1800
01:11:14,510 --> 01:11:14,910
Yes.

1801
01:11:15,470 --> 01:11:19,250
But the, the podcast, the pod chapters example

1802
01:11:19,250 --> 01:11:20,870
of a paid service may be the wrong

1803
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:21,670
example.

1804
01:11:24,190 --> 01:11:26,210
It could, it would need to be something

1805
01:11:26,210 --> 01:11:28,070
like it would just need to be something

1806
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:30,090
that I, that you provide on your own

1807
01:11:30,090 --> 01:11:33,790
privacy, which of course, no, which almost guarantees

1808
01:11:33,790 --> 01:11:34,670
this won't happen.

1809
01:11:35,110 --> 01:11:37,910
No, you will, you will use it and

1810
01:11:37,910 --> 01:11:38,970
just use it.

1811
01:11:39,610 --> 01:11:41,470
Yeah, this is going to be, but there's

1812
01:11:41,470 --> 01:11:45,630
tons of examples out there of podcasts that

1813
01:11:45,630 --> 01:11:49,910
just for whatever reason, they're just not giving

1814
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:52,530
you something that you want.

1815
01:11:53,170 --> 01:11:54,970
And there is just an annoyance.

1816
01:11:55,710 --> 01:11:57,570
And if you had a way to sort

1817
01:11:57,570 --> 01:12:01,150
of amend the feed in a private way,

1818
01:12:02,990 --> 01:12:06,190
because you know, if you know how to

1819
01:12:06,190 --> 01:12:07,450
do it, you're going to do it anyway.

1820
01:12:09,030 --> 01:12:11,610
Because like what, what I will do, I

1821
01:12:11,610 --> 01:12:13,110
will absolutely do this.

1822
01:12:13,170 --> 01:12:17,070
If, if, if, if Twit does not work

1823
01:12:17,070 --> 01:12:19,290
out some way with Simplecast or whoever their,

1824
01:12:19,370 --> 01:12:21,350
their private feed provider is, if they don't

1825
01:12:21,350 --> 01:12:23,010
work out some way in the near future

1826
01:12:23,010 --> 01:12:24,770
to get some kind of chapters or something

1827
01:12:24,770 --> 01:12:28,390
into these shows, I will just write my

1828
01:12:28,390 --> 01:12:29,990
own podcast app and just do this all

1829
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:30,390
myself.

1830
01:12:30,770 --> 01:12:31,190
Yeah.

1831
01:12:31,490 --> 01:12:33,550
And I think that's, that's what it comes

1832
01:12:33,550 --> 01:12:34,170
down to.

1833
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:37,650
Because, and it's just sad.

1834
01:12:37,750 --> 01:12:42,350
It's sad that we are in this, we're

1835
01:12:42,350 --> 01:12:45,790
in this world, the podcast industrial complex, you

1836
01:12:45,790 --> 01:12:48,710
know, it's like the, and it's also a

1837
01:12:48,710 --> 01:12:50,630
mindset, you know, it's like, Oh, I have

1838
01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:51,330
to have ads.

1839
01:12:51,330 --> 01:12:52,990
It's the only way I can make money.

1840
01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:56,930
Whereas I'm sure, well, no, I, it's proof

1841
01:12:56,930 --> 01:13:00,410
positive that you pay, you will gladly pay

1842
01:13:00,410 --> 01:13:04,830
for windows weekly, you know, you'll gladly pay

1843
01:13:04,830 --> 01:13:05,530
for it.

1844
01:13:05,830 --> 01:13:11,490
But this whole, well, I mean, windows weekly

1845
01:13:11,490 --> 01:13:14,330
should just add these things to their ad

1846
01:13:14,330 --> 01:13:15,310
free feed.

1847
01:13:15,330 --> 01:13:17,190
That's the answer right there.

1848
01:13:17,370 --> 01:13:17,990
Well, that's the answer.

1849
01:13:18,130 --> 01:13:18,730
That's the answer.

1850
01:13:18,730 --> 01:13:20,810
And they can use a commercial service like

1851
01:13:20,810 --> 01:13:22,790
pod chapters for that to do it.

1852
01:13:22,810 --> 01:13:23,510
And they should.

1853
01:13:25,170 --> 01:13:27,590
Or may, you know, or maybe this particular

1854
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:31,350
feature is only available for private feeds.

1855
01:13:32,330 --> 01:13:33,890
That would be another way around it.

1856
01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:37,190
Like somehow it only, you know, if, if

1857
01:13:37,190 --> 01:13:38,970
you're going to have like some, something like,

1858
01:13:39,170 --> 01:13:44,970
you know, something like a Daniel Day-Lewis's

1859
01:13:44,970 --> 01:13:46,710
service or whatever, I don't, you know, I

1860
01:13:46,710 --> 01:13:48,230
don't want to not be interested in any

1861
01:13:48,230 --> 01:13:51,130
of this, but something like that service could

1862
01:13:51,130 --> 01:13:53,510
say, okay, we're, we, we will provide a,

1863
01:13:53,510 --> 01:13:58,470
you know, amended, amended XML information based on

1864
01:13:58,470 --> 01:14:00,510
your own, like, you know, your own backend

1865
01:14:00,510 --> 01:14:02,270
processing or whatever you want to add to

1866
01:14:02,270 --> 01:14:02,490
it.

1867
01:14:02,990 --> 01:14:05,730
But it's only going to be for paid

1868
01:14:05,730 --> 01:14:07,650
like subscription podcasts.

1869
01:14:07,810 --> 01:14:09,210
Like you got to prove that you're paying

1870
01:14:09,210 --> 01:14:09,890
for it first.

1871
01:14:09,930 --> 01:14:10,270
Yeah.

1872
01:14:10,990 --> 01:14:12,970
You know, so it'd be like simple cast

1873
01:14:12,970 --> 01:14:13,390
or whatever.

1874
01:14:13,450 --> 01:14:14,050
I don't know.

1875
01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:15,350
I just feel like I hate, you know,

1876
01:14:15,430 --> 01:14:17,690
I hate solving problems for me in a

1877
01:14:17,690 --> 01:14:19,550
one-off way and not like it.

1878
01:14:19,630 --> 01:14:21,650
I always want it to be like a

1879
01:14:21,650 --> 01:14:25,430
bigger open public solution to the problem that

1880
01:14:25,430 --> 01:14:26,530
other people can do themselves.

1881
01:14:26,670 --> 01:14:28,630
It's kind of annoying to have just some

1882
01:14:28,630 --> 01:14:30,770
private thing you've rigged up that nobody else

1883
01:14:30,770 --> 01:14:31,350
can enjoy.

1884
01:14:32,330 --> 01:14:34,790
Cause if, cause if I'm having a problem,

1885
01:14:34,810 --> 01:14:36,610
I know that other people are having the

1886
01:14:36,610 --> 01:14:38,570
same problem with other feeds and that kind

1887
01:14:38,570 --> 01:14:38,930
of thing.

1888
01:14:39,610 --> 01:14:43,070
But I don't know, maybe, maybe you're right.

1889
01:14:43,070 --> 01:14:44,750
Maybe there's no way to do it in

1890
01:14:44,750 --> 01:14:46,410
a way that makes, Leo should just think

1891
01:14:46,410 --> 01:14:47,370
about his customers.

1892
01:14:47,850 --> 01:14:48,550
That's all.

1893
01:14:48,670 --> 01:14:50,130
He doesn't care about his customers.

1894
01:14:50,510 --> 01:14:51,790
That's the bottom line.

1895
01:14:51,850 --> 01:14:54,050
If you're offering an ad free feed, add

1896
01:14:54,050 --> 01:14:55,250
in the bits people want.

1897
01:14:56,790 --> 01:14:57,310
Yeah.

1898
01:14:57,630 --> 01:15:00,010
So maybe, maybe it's not that.

1899
01:15:00,170 --> 01:15:00,310
Yeah.

1900
01:15:00,750 --> 01:15:01,690
Maybe it won't work.

1901
01:15:02,910 --> 01:15:06,870
Just before I, as I remember, I heard

1902
01:15:06,870 --> 01:15:09,270
James talking about he's going to write up

1903
01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:12,550
a new issue or proposal for podcast comments

1904
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:16,890
because I guess at a podfest, everyone discovered

1905
01:15:16,890 --> 01:15:19,410
that, wow, people really like the comments on

1906
01:15:19,410 --> 01:15:19,730
YouTube.

1907
01:15:20,110 --> 01:15:22,430
So we have to have comments on podcasts.

1908
01:15:24,410 --> 01:15:26,030
So be on the lookout for it is

1909
01:15:26,030 --> 01:15:26,650
what I'm saying.

1910
01:15:27,630 --> 01:15:29,510
And we already have comments that work.

1911
01:15:29,930 --> 01:15:30,270
Oh yes.

1912
01:15:30,390 --> 01:15:31,750
No, it's just going to be a Jason

1913
01:15:31,750 --> 01:15:32,590
comments.

1914
01:15:33,090 --> 01:15:33,210
Yeah.

1915
01:15:35,150 --> 01:15:36,110
Well, okay.

1916
01:15:36,490 --> 01:15:37,650
I guess I'll wait and see what he

1917
01:15:37,650 --> 01:15:39,470
does, but I think Daniel, Daniel J Lewis

1918
01:15:39,470 --> 01:15:43,110
had a pretty comprehensive Jason comments proposal already,

1919
01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:43,450
you know?

1920
01:15:43,550 --> 01:15:43,790
Yes.

1921
01:15:43,970 --> 01:15:44,250
Yeah.

1922
01:15:44,610 --> 01:15:45,970
I think he already wrote back in software

1923
01:15:45,970 --> 01:15:46,810
and everything for it.

1924
01:15:46,830 --> 01:15:49,830
I'm just in general, just not an agreement

1925
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:54,250
that that people desperately want comments on podcasts.

1926
01:15:54,330 --> 01:15:55,910
I'm kind of over that.

1927
01:16:00,170 --> 01:16:01,430
Chat is fun.

1928
01:16:01,870 --> 01:16:03,210
Comments that live forever.

1929
01:16:03,390 --> 01:16:04,010
Not so much.

1930
01:16:04,010 --> 01:16:07,370
The YouTube, the YouTube comments, it's part of

1931
01:16:07,370 --> 01:16:09,270
the entire video experience.

1932
01:16:09,570 --> 01:16:11,630
You know, you're interactive with the screen.

1933
01:16:11,870 --> 01:16:14,010
I find podcasts are just passive.

1934
01:16:15,730 --> 01:16:19,770
Comments on YouTube are, are typically real time

1935
01:16:19,770 --> 01:16:21,570
comments is really what they are.

1936
01:16:22,150 --> 01:16:23,090
Live and live streams.

1937
01:16:23,430 --> 01:16:23,530
Yeah.

1938
01:16:25,330 --> 01:16:27,650
And then they suck and they suck.

1939
01:16:28,410 --> 01:16:30,410
Well, what happens is on these live streams,

1940
01:16:30,430 --> 01:16:31,670
people get in there and they just treat

1941
01:16:31,670 --> 01:16:32,450
it like a chat room.

1942
01:16:32,450 --> 01:16:33,470
They're talking to themselves.

1943
01:16:33,650 --> 01:16:36,190
They're not even really interacting with, yeah, it's

1944
01:16:36,190 --> 01:16:37,770
like, it's like an ephemeral chat room.

1945
01:16:37,970 --> 01:16:38,110
Yeah.

1946
01:16:38,750 --> 01:16:40,650
So, but anyway, I just want to make

1947
01:16:40,650 --> 01:16:42,310
sure everyone was on the lookout for it

1948
01:16:42,310 --> 01:16:42,890
because it's coming.

1949
01:16:43,010 --> 01:16:45,450
But yes, I think there's many, many comment

1950
01:16:45,450 --> 01:16:48,870
proposals slash et cetera, chat proposals that have

1951
01:16:48,870 --> 01:16:49,530
been put out.

1952
01:16:50,770 --> 01:16:57,090
So, well, the other, the other thing that's

1953
01:16:57,090 --> 01:17:00,170
continuing and I'm actively working on this is

1954
01:17:00,170 --> 01:17:03,170
the, you know, AI slop and quality control

1955
01:17:03,170 --> 01:17:03,650
stuff.

1956
01:17:04,030 --> 01:17:07,410
And, there's a big thread on the namespace

1957
01:17:07,410 --> 01:17:07,770
repo.

1958
01:17:08,690 --> 01:17:11,950
We really need a better, we need a

1959
01:17:11,950 --> 01:17:13,770
better place for these discussions to happen.

1960
01:17:14,110 --> 01:17:16,690
The namespace repo is there's all kinds of

1961
01:17:16,690 --> 01:17:18,050
stuff in there that has nothing to do

1962
01:17:18,050 --> 01:17:18,770
with the namespace.

1963
01:17:19,770 --> 01:17:21,210
And that's one of the reasons I turned

1964
01:17:21,210 --> 01:17:22,530
off the emails about it is because it

1965
01:17:22,530 --> 01:17:24,890
was getting like, people are talking in there

1966
01:17:24,890 --> 01:17:27,130
about things that are like index related and

1967
01:17:27,130 --> 01:17:27,290
stuff.

1968
01:17:27,490 --> 01:17:28,810
So anyway, it's a big mess.

1969
01:17:29,410 --> 01:17:33,270
But the, um, but the, the other thread

1970
01:17:33,270 --> 01:17:35,290
on there is just about the David Marzal

1971
01:17:35,290 --> 01:17:39,250
brought up broadcast quality control and, you know,

1972
01:17:39,270 --> 01:17:40,830
how to in the AI slop and all

1973
01:17:40,830 --> 01:17:42,390
that in the junk feeds and everything.

1974
01:17:42,530 --> 01:17:44,430
So I'm continuing to work on that.

1975
01:17:44,450 --> 01:17:47,590
And I've almost got, I've got everything working.

1976
01:17:47,690 --> 01:17:49,990
I just have to put the, uh, the

1977
01:17:49,990 --> 01:17:51,230
output side of it on.

1978
01:17:51,290 --> 01:17:54,670
So where people can pull out the, the

1979
01:17:54,670 --> 01:17:56,170
mark, the mark slop.

1980
01:17:56,250 --> 01:17:57,050
Cause I've been marking it.

1981
01:17:57,310 --> 01:18:00,330
I do about, probably do about 10 minutes

1982
01:18:00,330 --> 01:18:01,170
a day total.

1983
01:18:01,550 --> 01:18:03,730
I just have it running and what I'm

1984
01:18:03,730 --> 01:18:05,310
really, I have it running in a window.

1985
01:18:05,390 --> 01:18:07,930
I'm like, Oh, Kanji characters.

1986
01:18:08,050 --> 01:18:08,630
Let me check.

1987
01:18:10,030 --> 01:18:11,670
That's kind of, that's kind of my, my

1988
01:18:11,670 --> 01:18:13,850
main, uh, like, Oh, Kanji characters.

1989
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:14,330
Let me see.

1990
01:18:14,410 --> 01:18:14,730
Okay.

1991
01:18:15,230 --> 01:18:16,850
Slop, slop, slop, slop.

1992
01:18:17,670 --> 01:18:20,290
Oh, I'm seeing so much duplication so much.

1993
01:18:21,750 --> 01:18:24,690
It's amazing how much is just spam or

1994
01:18:24,690 --> 01:18:25,070
slop.

1995
01:18:25,170 --> 01:18:26,710
It's an amazing amount.

1996
01:18:27,110 --> 01:18:28,310
It really truly is.

1997
01:18:29,590 --> 01:18:32,010
I'm just, it's abusive.

1998
01:18:32,490 --> 01:18:33,170
It's abusive.

1999
01:18:34,070 --> 01:18:36,630
It's like, it's so sad people do that.

2000
01:18:37,330 --> 01:18:39,950
I think, I think the general sentiment about

2001
01:18:39,950 --> 01:18:42,990
we, you know, and you, and you had

2002
01:18:42,990 --> 01:18:45,470
said this too is we should, you know,

2003
01:18:45,470 --> 01:18:48,350
we should not be blocking stuff.

2004
01:18:48,790 --> 01:18:53,390
Um, from, uh, from being put on the

2005
01:18:53,390 --> 01:18:56,130
server as of, as of now, we should

2006
01:18:56,130 --> 01:18:57,710
not be necessarily blocking stuff.

2007
01:18:57,850 --> 01:19:01,410
Uh, but the, there should be some sort

2008
01:19:01,410 --> 01:19:06,910
of like scoring system to help identify these

2009
01:19:06,910 --> 01:19:07,290
things.

2010
01:19:07,330 --> 01:19:08,610
And I, and I agree with that for

2011
01:19:08,610 --> 01:19:09,170
rent for now.

2012
01:19:09,230 --> 01:19:09,710
It's okay.

2013
01:19:09,730 --> 01:19:10,610
It's running fine.

2014
01:19:11,370 --> 01:19:13,750
You know, there, there does, it does cross

2015
01:19:13,750 --> 01:19:15,510
the threshold though at some point where it

2016
01:19:15,510 --> 01:19:18,450
becomes sort of a, of, it becomes where

2017
01:19:18,450 --> 01:19:21,210
you're having to play self-defense because if,

2018
01:19:21,310 --> 01:19:24,250
if we begin to get truly swamped and

2019
01:19:24,250 --> 01:19:27,190
overloaded with, with junk content, we will have

2020
01:19:27,190 --> 01:19:30,310
to begin to make, we'll have to play

2021
01:19:30,310 --> 01:19:32,290
self-defense to keep from having it cost

2022
01:19:32,290 --> 01:19:33,470
us real money.

2023
01:19:34,170 --> 01:19:37,890
And the, you know, store storage, quote unquote

2024
01:19:37,890 --> 01:19:41,090
is storage is cheap, but not block store,

2025
01:19:41,190 --> 01:19:42,270
not block storage.

2026
01:19:42,270 --> 01:19:45,870
Block storage is disk storage is expensive.

2027
01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:47,850
And these are, remember, you got to remember

2028
01:19:47,850 --> 01:19:50,930
these are these, these podcasts, these junk podcasts

2029
01:19:50,930 --> 01:19:52,270
are going into the database.

2030
01:19:53,150 --> 01:19:53,550
Yeah.

2031
01:19:53,550 --> 01:19:55,090
They're not just living, they're not living on

2032
01:19:55,090 --> 01:19:58,010
object storage somewhere for 0.0001 cents.

2033
01:19:58,010 --> 01:20:00,270
They're going into a database and that is

2034
01:20:00,270 --> 01:20:02,010
real, you know, that's like a, you know,

2035
01:20:02,610 --> 01:20:05,850
that's CPU cycles that's in database storage never

2036
01:20:05,850 --> 01:20:06,390
goes down.

2037
01:20:06,450 --> 01:20:07,250
It just expands.

2038
01:20:08,030 --> 01:20:08,430
Yeah.

2039
01:20:08,510 --> 01:20:10,290
So, well, I mean the, the, the, the

2040
01:20:10,290 --> 01:20:12,190
thing, I mean, really I've only been marking

2041
01:20:12,190 --> 01:20:14,030
two different kinds of things.

2042
01:20:14,290 --> 01:20:17,250
It's a slop and spam and the spam

2043
01:20:17,250 --> 01:20:18,630
is worse than the slop.

2044
01:20:19,790 --> 01:20:21,770
The spam is, is outrageous.

2045
01:20:22,010 --> 01:20:24,330
And it would be nice to find kind

2046
01:20:24,330 --> 01:20:27,950
of easier ways to identify it because it's

2047
01:20:27,950 --> 01:20:30,850
like three or four clicks, you know?

2048
01:20:30,850 --> 01:20:32,250
So you really have to look at the

2049
01:20:32,250 --> 01:20:34,170
XML and then you got to say, okay,

2050
01:20:34,210 --> 01:20:35,370
do you have an enclosure?

2051
01:20:36,370 --> 01:20:39,770
And you know, sometimes they go through the

2052
01:20:39,770 --> 01:20:42,310
effort of putting an enclosure in that's an

2053
01:20:42,310 --> 01:20:45,630
actual audio or video file, but usually they

2054
01:20:45,630 --> 01:20:45,890
don't.

2055
01:20:47,930 --> 01:20:49,330
And you know, so it's just, there's too

2056
01:20:49,330 --> 01:20:53,590
much, we could shorten the spam identification cycle,

2057
01:20:53,590 --> 01:20:54,090
I guess.

2058
01:20:54,730 --> 01:20:55,210
Okay.

2059
01:20:55,850 --> 01:20:57,990
And I think, I think the, the way

2060
01:20:57,990 --> 01:21:00,130
this will work is when the feedback loop

2061
01:21:00,130 --> 01:21:01,970
gets completed on this next round that I'm

2062
01:21:01,970 --> 01:21:08,690
finishing is that it'll, the, the identified, the

2063
01:21:08,690 --> 01:21:13,990
human curate, the human identified problem feeds will

2064
01:21:13,990 --> 01:21:18,170
feed back into the LLM, which will generate

2065
01:21:18,170 --> 01:21:23,150
description files of what, of what the signs

2066
01:21:23,150 --> 01:21:26,870
of spam feeds and low quality feeds are.

2067
01:21:26,950 --> 01:21:31,130
Then that will feed back into marking.

2068
01:21:31,910 --> 01:21:34,770
It will not automatedly market, but it will,

2069
01:21:34,870 --> 01:21:37,350
it will feed back into like a score

2070
01:21:37,350 --> 01:21:40,290
so that we can then try, it'll be

2071
01:21:40,290 --> 01:21:41,350
easier to identify.

2072
01:21:42,390 --> 01:21:43,430
We'll work through it.

2073
01:21:43,990 --> 01:21:44,750
I do like it.

2074
01:21:44,770 --> 01:21:45,490
I like it.

2075
01:21:45,530 --> 01:21:49,430
I, I built it on my, on my

2076
01:21:49,430 --> 01:21:51,210
surface so I could actually use the sound

2077
01:21:51,210 --> 01:21:52,750
card, you know, hitting the P button to

2078
01:21:52,750 --> 01:21:53,090
play.

2079
01:21:53,190 --> 01:21:53,990
That's, it's cool.

2080
01:21:54,150 --> 01:21:55,210
That is definitely cool.

2081
01:21:55,910 --> 01:21:58,670
The interface is still a little, it's like,

2082
01:21:58,690 --> 01:21:59,490
it's kind of slow.

2083
01:22:00,150 --> 01:22:01,250
Not that slow.

2084
01:22:01,530 --> 01:22:02,170
Good for me.

2085
01:22:02,190 --> 01:22:03,630
Cycling through with the, with the up and

2086
01:22:03,630 --> 01:22:05,690
down arrows kind of, there's a little lag.

2087
01:22:06,490 --> 01:22:07,830
You're right.

2088
01:22:07,910 --> 01:22:08,550
Just a little bit.

2089
01:22:08,910 --> 01:22:09,170
Yeah.

2090
01:22:09,190 --> 01:22:11,310
I think it's like the, the, the UI

2091
01:22:11,310 --> 01:22:13,470
updater loop is a little slow or whatever.

2092
01:22:15,050 --> 01:22:16,390
It's, it's, it's vibe code, man.

2093
01:22:16,490 --> 01:22:16,890
What do you say?

2094
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:17,270
Yeah, baby.

2095
01:22:17,470 --> 01:22:19,090
Vibe code and vibe code and our way

2096
01:22:19,090 --> 01:22:19,490
to heaven.

2097
01:22:21,070 --> 01:22:22,810
Let's thank some people, which will be real

2098
01:22:22,810 --> 01:22:23,830
short on my end.

2099
01:22:23,890 --> 01:22:25,910
We got, we did get some route tests.

2100
01:22:26,490 --> 01:22:29,410
Now, of course this is, I'm looking at

2101
01:22:29,410 --> 01:22:32,070
the keys and receiving side.

2102
01:22:32,210 --> 01:22:34,370
So it doesn't mean we actually got these

2103
01:22:34,370 --> 01:22:36,010
sats or we got 1% of them.

2104
01:22:36,590 --> 01:22:39,470
Salty crayon, one, two, three route test.

2105
01:22:39,790 --> 01:22:41,170
The, that was from Podverse.

2106
01:22:41,390 --> 01:22:44,310
We got Chad F from fountain with a

2107
01:22:44,310 --> 01:22:45,030
hundred sats.

2108
01:22:45,290 --> 01:22:48,090
We have Eric PP.

2109
01:22:48,410 --> 01:22:51,650
He used the boost CLI for 3333.

2110
01:22:52,130 --> 01:22:56,310
Here's some sats salty crayon with three 33

2111
01:22:56,310 --> 01:22:57,750
from podcast guru.

2112
01:22:57,770 --> 01:22:59,530
Test boost over key send.

2113
01:22:59,630 --> 01:23:00,670
Yes, of course.

2114
01:23:00,770 --> 01:23:01,790
Key send works.

2115
01:23:04,730 --> 01:23:06,730
So I, yeah, it does.

2116
01:23:07,890 --> 01:23:10,050
And, and then I hit the delimiter.

2117
01:23:10,290 --> 01:23:13,390
So the sats have been pretty low lately.

2118
01:23:14,010 --> 01:23:16,490
Although I did see people streaming sats.

2119
01:23:16,590 --> 01:23:17,110
Let me see.

2120
01:23:17,790 --> 01:23:20,150
Let me just check the streaming sats here.

2121
01:23:21,150 --> 01:23:21,470
Yeah.

2122
01:23:21,670 --> 01:23:21,930
Yeah.

2123
01:23:22,790 --> 01:23:26,390
Curio caster, Eric PP streaming away.

2124
01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:29,130
Let me see.

2125
01:23:30,290 --> 01:23:33,570
That seems to be, seems to be the

2126
01:23:33,570 --> 01:23:34,070
big one.

2127
01:23:34,230 --> 01:23:34,510
Yeah.

2128
01:23:36,530 --> 01:23:37,050
Yup.

2129
01:23:37,310 --> 01:23:38,190
That's what we got.

2130
01:23:38,350 --> 01:23:38,690
Okay.

2131
01:23:38,910 --> 01:23:40,150
What do you have on your list?

2132
01:23:40,670 --> 01:23:44,410
Well, we got, we got buzzsprout a thousand

2133
01:23:44,410 --> 01:23:44,870
bucks.

2134
01:23:44,970 --> 01:23:45,130
Yeah.

2135
01:23:45,190 --> 01:23:45,470
Hello.

2136
01:23:46,650 --> 01:23:49,590
Shot Carla, 20 inch blades on the Impala.

2137
01:23:50,690 --> 01:23:52,170
Buzzsprout keeping the vibe alive.

2138
01:23:52,530 --> 01:23:53,390
Thank you very much.

2139
01:23:53,450 --> 01:23:54,950
Boys and girls from buzzsprout.

2140
01:23:55,170 --> 01:23:56,050
Appreciate that.

2141
01:23:56,570 --> 01:23:57,930
This is value for value.

2142
01:23:58,030 --> 01:23:58,950
This whole project.

2143
01:23:59,050 --> 01:24:00,530
We're just sitting here trying to keep it

2144
01:24:00,530 --> 01:24:00,990
alive.

2145
01:24:02,070 --> 01:24:03,410
That's a shot.

2146
01:24:03,570 --> 01:24:04,750
Kevin and Tom, a note to see if

2147
01:24:04,750 --> 01:24:05,530
they want to be on the show.

2148
01:24:05,590 --> 01:24:06,710
It's been like a year.

2149
01:24:06,910 --> 01:24:07,490
It's been a long time.

2150
01:24:07,630 --> 01:24:09,230
I mean, it's been ages since we've had

2151
01:24:09,230 --> 01:24:09,910
the boys on.

2152
01:24:10,470 --> 01:24:10,870
I know.

2153
01:24:10,870 --> 01:24:12,390
Let's see if they, let's see if they

2154
01:24:12,390 --> 01:24:13,990
come back.

2155
01:24:14,350 --> 01:24:14,450
Okay.

2156
01:24:16,950 --> 01:24:17,970
Well, look at here.

2157
01:24:18,090 --> 01:24:22,370
RSS.com, Ben and Alberto, that 1,001

2158
01:24:22,370 --> 01:24:24,990
let's say $1,010 and 10 cents.

2159
01:24:25,110 --> 01:24:25,890
That's one Oh one.

2160
01:24:31,730 --> 01:24:34,310
The machines keep running for another month.

2161
01:24:34,410 --> 01:24:35,350
Thank you as well.

2162
01:24:35,890 --> 01:24:38,550
Dave and Adam, this is from Ben, a

2163
01:24:38,550 --> 01:24:41,270
binary boost corresponding to the number 42.

2164
01:24:41,950 --> 01:24:42,050
Yes.

2165
01:24:42,170 --> 01:24:44,570
The answer as we look forward to 2026

2166
01:24:44,570 --> 01:24:46,410
and back at all the years before we

2167
01:24:46,410 --> 01:24:48,690
recognized that the podcast index and 2.0

2168
01:24:48,690 --> 01:24:50,610
has been the answer to so many things.

2169
01:24:50,810 --> 01:24:52,510
Thank you team at RSS.com.

2170
01:24:52,650 --> 01:24:53,270
Oh, thank you.

2171
01:24:53,310 --> 01:24:54,170
RSS.com.

2172
01:24:54,210 --> 01:24:54,910
Thank you team.

2173
01:24:55,650 --> 01:24:57,470
It's a pleasure to serve you.

2174
01:24:59,990 --> 01:25:00,810
Thank you guys.

2175
01:25:00,970 --> 01:25:01,530
We'll see.

2176
01:25:01,590 --> 01:25:02,490
We got some boosts.

2177
01:25:02,570 --> 01:25:03,550
Let's look back.

2178
01:25:03,550 --> 01:25:06,930
I got instructions from a commissioner blogger.

2179
01:25:07,070 --> 01:25:07,890
So I go, Oh, you have, Oh, you

2180
01:25:07,890 --> 01:25:08,530
have been straight.

2181
01:25:08,610 --> 01:25:09,470
You have stuff to do.

2182
01:25:10,150 --> 01:25:12,730
He said, do not read last.

2183
01:25:17,670 --> 01:25:19,950
He posted on the social not to read

2184
01:25:19,950 --> 01:25:24,510
last week's, not to read last week's boost

2185
01:25:24,510 --> 01:25:26,450
because it could be interpreted as racist.

2186
01:25:26,770 --> 01:25:28,130
So I'm going to skip it.

2187
01:25:28,410 --> 01:25:30,350
Oh, I'm looking at it now, but I

2188
01:25:30,350 --> 01:25:30,990
did read it.

2189
01:25:30,990 --> 01:25:32,050
Yeah, we read it.

2190
01:25:32,130 --> 01:25:32,670
Yeah, it's funny.

2191
01:25:33,430 --> 01:25:33,690
Okay.

2192
01:25:35,290 --> 01:25:36,970
We've got a true fan, a true fans,

2193
01:25:37,010 --> 01:25:38,410
anonymous 4950.

2194
01:25:38,550 --> 01:25:39,750
Thank you very much.

2195
01:25:40,930 --> 01:25:43,610
That was on, that was for episode two

2196
01:25:43,610 --> 01:25:45,850
42nd is two 47 Aggie five.

2197
01:25:47,070 --> 01:25:51,170
A tone record through fountain 2265.

2198
01:25:52,370 --> 01:25:53,970
And he said, Oh, this is like a,

2199
01:25:53,970 --> 01:25:54,870
this is like a haiku.

2200
01:25:55,030 --> 01:25:58,210
He says, middle of the night underneath desk

2201
01:25:58,210 --> 01:25:58,870
rewiring.

2202
01:25:59,110 --> 01:26:00,450
This episode plays.

2203
01:26:01,650 --> 01:26:02,950
That is a haiku.

2204
01:26:03,230 --> 01:26:04,090
It's a loco.

2205
01:26:04,310 --> 01:26:05,370
It's a loco.

2206
01:26:05,910 --> 01:26:06,350
Yeah.

2207
01:26:06,370 --> 01:26:08,690
More anonymous 4953 true fans.

2208
01:26:08,790 --> 01:26:09,210
Thank you.

2209
01:26:09,290 --> 01:26:09,490
Thank you.

2210
01:26:09,590 --> 01:26:10,210
Appreciate that.

2211
01:26:10,790 --> 01:26:11,730
And here's the delimiter.

2212
01:26:11,970 --> 01:26:12,690
Commissioner blogger.

2213
01:26:12,750 --> 01:26:13,510
That was a short list.

2214
01:26:13,630 --> 01:26:14,070
Very short.

2215
01:26:15,510 --> 01:26:17,370
Commissioner blogger, 17,000 sets.

2216
01:26:17,670 --> 01:26:18,470
Uh, let me see.

2217
01:26:18,510 --> 01:26:20,090
Let me make sure I'm following all of

2218
01:26:20,090 --> 01:26:21,050
comic strip bloggers.

2219
01:26:21,170 --> 01:26:22,070
Uh, instructions.

2220
01:26:22,490 --> 01:26:22,870
Yes.

2221
01:26:23,470 --> 01:26:24,810
Uh, let's see what he said.

2222
01:26:25,130 --> 01:26:27,850
Today's Bitcoin don't, uh, don't read the one

2223
01:26:27,850 --> 01:26:28,730
from last week.

2224
01:26:29,270 --> 01:26:31,570
Uh, I screwed up the URL in the

2225
01:26:31,570 --> 01:26:32,130
Bitcoin gram.

2226
01:26:32,230 --> 01:26:32,690
It should be.

2227
01:26:32,830 --> 01:26:33,010
Okay.

2228
01:26:33,090 --> 01:26:33,490
I got it.

2229
01:26:34,830 --> 01:26:37,990
So, uh, he says, uh, see 17,000

2230
01:26:37,990 --> 01:26:38,230
sets.

2231
01:26:38,350 --> 01:26:41,310
He says, howdy fellow AI users, Adam and

2232
01:26:41,310 --> 01:26:41,590
Dave.

2233
01:26:41,790 --> 01:26:45,450
Today I want to recommend company 11 labs

2234
01:26:45,450 --> 01:26:48,750
.io. Not only because it was found by

2235
01:26:48,750 --> 01:26:51,970
two poles born in Poland, but also because

2236
01:26:51,970 --> 01:26:55,210
it has apart from text to speech, incredible

2237
01:26:55,210 --> 01:26:58,470
AI voice changer that offers quote full control

2238
01:26:58,470 --> 01:26:59,610
over the performance.

2239
01:27:00,230 --> 01:27:04,730
Capture whispers, laughs, accents, and subtle emotional cues.

2240
01:27:04,930 --> 01:27:05,270
Unquote.

2241
01:27:05,810 --> 01:27:08,690
So podcasting anonymously is finally possible.

2242
01:27:09,110 --> 01:27:09,430
Wait a minute.

2243
01:27:09,730 --> 01:27:10,270
CSBA.

2244
01:27:10,690 --> 01:27:11,530
Hold on a second.

2245
01:27:11,610 --> 01:27:12,630
Is this real time?

2246
01:27:13,870 --> 01:27:14,730
I don't know.

2247
01:27:14,810 --> 01:27:16,150
I don't think it's, it can't be a

2248
01:27:16,150 --> 01:27:17,610
real time voice changer.

2249
01:27:18,950 --> 01:27:19,490
Interesting.

2250
01:27:19,670 --> 01:27:21,170
Control over the performance.

2251
01:27:21,390 --> 01:27:22,010
I don't know.

2252
01:27:22,210 --> 01:27:25,570
Well, I'm an 11, 11 labs user and

2253
01:27:25,570 --> 01:27:26,570
I power you.

2254
01:27:26,570 --> 01:27:27,050
You're a power.

2255
01:27:27,050 --> 01:27:28,010
I am a power user.

2256
01:27:28,190 --> 01:27:31,410
I use the API and I think that's

2257
01:27:31,410 --> 01:27:31,750
power.

2258
01:27:31,950 --> 01:27:32,070
Yeah.

2259
01:27:32,070 --> 01:27:32,330
Yeah.

2260
01:27:32,370 --> 01:27:34,970
I, I think they are very, very good.

2261
01:27:35,530 --> 01:27:38,730
Um, they, I think they're doing good things

2262
01:27:38,730 --> 01:27:39,250
over there.

2263
01:27:39,430 --> 01:27:43,430
It's, it has changed a radio and it

2264
01:27:43,430 --> 01:27:46,910
has changed podcasting, but radio, you know, for

2265
01:27:46,910 --> 01:27:49,270
live streams, man, I use that all the

2266
01:27:49,270 --> 01:27:51,890
time for promos and all kinds of stuff.

2267
01:27:51,890 --> 01:27:53,990
You can create music beds.

2268
01:27:54,150 --> 01:27:54,630
It's great.

2269
01:27:55,170 --> 01:27:56,690
And it's, it's very useful.

2270
01:27:56,930 --> 01:27:57,650
Very, very useful.

2271
01:27:58,050 --> 01:28:00,770
Daniel said CSB should provide a rules.md

2272
01:28:00,770 --> 01:28:01,890
file with his booster grams.

2273
01:28:02,030 --> 01:28:02,830
I think that's a good idea.

2274
01:28:04,170 --> 01:28:04,610
Thanks.

2275
01:28:04,710 --> 01:28:06,910
A commissioner blogger, the AI arch wizard.

2276
01:28:07,050 --> 01:28:07,890
We appreciate it.

2277
01:28:08,210 --> 01:28:08,430
Yeah.

2278
01:28:08,470 --> 01:28:08,930
Thank you, brother.

2279
01:28:09,110 --> 01:28:10,810
Uh, we've got some monthlies.

2280
01:28:11,190 --> 01:28:15,270
I got Christopher Reamer, $10, James Sullivan, $10,

2281
01:28:15,390 --> 01:28:19,110
Cohen Glotzbach, $5, uh, Oisteen Barrett, $5.

2282
01:28:19,590 --> 01:28:20,110
Thank you.

2283
01:28:20,150 --> 01:28:21,150
He's coming on right after this.

2284
01:28:21,150 --> 01:28:21,310
He is.

2285
01:28:21,490 --> 01:28:21,590
Yeah.

2286
01:28:21,590 --> 01:28:23,730
They always mutton me to music.

2287
01:28:24,230 --> 01:28:27,090
Timothy voice, $10, Gene Liverman.

2288
01:28:27,150 --> 01:28:31,050
Hey, Gene, $5, Michael Hall, $5 and 50

2289
01:28:31,050 --> 01:28:31,490
cents.

2290
01:28:31,550 --> 01:28:32,050
Thank you, Michael.

2291
01:28:32,170 --> 01:28:33,250
New media productions.

2292
01:28:33,310 --> 01:28:35,650
That's Todd and Rob, $30.

2293
01:28:36,470 --> 01:28:40,050
Uh, Jeremy Gerds, $5, Derek J.

2294
01:28:40,230 --> 01:28:43,810
Viscar, the best name in podcasting, $21, Paul

2295
01:28:43,810 --> 01:28:46,530
Saltzman, $22 and 22 cents.

2296
01:28:46,530 --> 01:28:47,150
Nice.

2297
01:28:47,370 --> 01:28:47,790
Always.

2298
01:28:47,990 --> 01:28:51,010
Paul, uh, Damon Casajak, $15.

2299
01:28:51,370 --> 01:28:51,810
Thank you, Damon.

2300
01:28:52,270 --> 01:28:55,450
Uh, silicone florist, whoever you are, $10, Chris

2301
01:28:55,450 --> 01:28:57,610
Cowan, $5 and Terry Keller, $5.

2302
01:28:57,890 --> 01:28:58,410
Thank you guys.

2303
01:28:58,530 --> 01:28:58,810
Yeah.

2304
01:28:58,810 --> 01:28:59,830
Thank you all very much.

2305
01:28:59,850 --> 01:29:01,450
And I can tell just by the numbers,

2306
01:29:01,470 --> 01:29:03,210
I hear some people have upped their numbers.

2307
01:29:03,290 --> 01:29:04,070
Thank you very much.

2308
01:29:04,190 --> 01:29:06,150
Uh, that probably is because we were talking

2309
01:29:06,150 --> 01:29:09,130
about keeping the podcast index running and it

2310
01:29:09,130 --> 01:29:12,030
can't just be running on only two hosting

2311
01:29:12,030 --> 01:29:12,530
companies.

2312
01:29:12,530 --> 01:29:14,150
Cause that's pretty much what it is these

2313
01:29:14,150 --> 01:29:14,470
days.

2314
01:29:14,810 --> 01:29:16,930
Uh, so all these smaller amounts, they are

2315
01:29:16,930 --> 01:29:18,330
very much appreciated.

2316
01:29:18,610 --> 01:29:20,850
So if you get any value out of

2317
01:29:20,850 --> 01:29:25,090
podcastindex.org it's API, the work that is

2318
01:29:25,090 --> 01:29:26,530
done, a lot of the work that Dave

2319
01:29:26,530 --> 01:29:28,850
does, please consider supporting us.

2320
01:29:28,890 --> 01:29:30,690
You can go to podcastindex.org at the

2321
01:29:30,690 --> 01:29:30,910
bottom.

2322
01:29:31,050 --> 01:29:32,750
There's a big red donate button support us

2323
01:29:32,750 --> 01:29:34,790
there with your Fiat fund coupons.

2324
01:29:34,930 --> 01:29:38,430
I actually, I think now, uh, because PayPal,

2325
01:29:38,590 --> 01:29:40,590
PayPal, they're going to start expanding.

2326
01:29:40,590 --> 01:29:43,010
You'll be able to use other forms of,

2327
01:29:43,030 --> 01:29:46,250
uh, digital money to, uh, to send, uh,

2328
01:29:46,490 --> 01:29:47,630
to send stuff to us.

2329
01:29:47,710 --> 01:29:48,730
And we just appreciate it.

2330
01:29:48,790 --> 01:29:51,270
Boosts of course, are always appreciated through any

2331
01:29:51,270 --> 01:29:52,590
of the modern podcast apps.

2332
01:29:53,450 --> 01:29:55,290
Uh, and let me see.

2333
01:29:55,450 --> 01:29:56,470
I got travel coming.

2334
01:29:56,570 --> 01:29:57,370
I'll be here next week.

2335
01:29:57,450 --> 01:29:58,430
We're here next week.

2336
01:29:58,470 --> 01:29:59,050
We're here next week.

2337
01:29:59,070 --> 01:29:59,270
Yes.

2338
01:29:59,370 --> 01:30:00,610
I think we're here next week.

2339
01:30:00,730 --> 01:30:01,510
Yes, that's right.

2340
01:30:01,590 --> 01:30:01,910
Okay.

2341
01:30:02,270 --> 01:30:03,390
Well, board, boardroom.

2342
01:30:03,450 --> 01:30:04,730
Thank you very much for attending.

2343
01:30:04,950 --> 01:30:07,790
Stand by for Oystein Berger with his mutton,

2344
01:30:07,830 --> 01:30:08,370
meat and music.

2345
01:30:08,370 --> 01:30:09,750
Brother Dave, what you doing this weekend?

2346
01:30:09,890 --> 01:30:12,270
Besides keeping warm for the big storm that

2347
01:30:12,270 --> 01:30:14,870
we have coming, uh, you are going to

2348
01:30:14,870 --> 01:30:16,530
get it worse than I am evidently, because

2349
01:30:16,530 --> 01:30:19,030
it looks like the ice storm was going

2350
01:30:19,030 --> 01:30:21,370
to be moved North of us.

2351
01:30:21,610 --> 01:30:23,290
So it's North.

2352
01:30:23,710 --> 01:30:24,150
Hmm.

2353
01:30:24,570 --> 01:30:24,870
Yeah.

2354
01:30:24,890 --> 01:30:27,070
It's like we were like Birmingham was supposed

2355
01:30:27,070 --> 01:30:29,930
to get like, God, like two inches of

2356
01:30:29,930 --> 01:30:30,210
ice.

2357
01:30:30,290 --> 01:30:31,590
We were like freaking out.

2358
01:30:31,590 --> 01:30:34,110
And then now they've said, well, you're probably

2359
01:30:34,110 --> 01:30:34,730
not going to get any.

2360
01:30:34,730 --> 01:30:37,850
Well, you know about the, uh, the exploding

2361
01:30:37,850 --> 01:30:38,510
trees.

2362
01:30:40,310 --> 01:30:42,290
Uh, Oh, is that where they, where they,

2363
01:30:42,290 --> 01:30:44,630
uh, swell up with water, with water and

2364
01:30:44,630 --> 01:30:46,870
blow up extremely cold temperatures tonight.

2365
01:30:46,970 --> 01:30:49,230
Please watch out for exploding trees.

2366
01:30:56,910 --> 01:30:57,470
Folks.

2367
01:30:57,530 --> 01:30:59,730
If you hear loud cracks, stay indoors.

2368
01:31:02,510 --> 01:31:02,950
Yeah.

2369
01:31:02,950 --> 01:31:03,390
Yeah.

2370
01:31:03,410 --> 01:31:05,510
I think it's, uh, they just started some

2371
01:31:05,510 --> 01:31:07,090
hype about exploding trees.

2372
01:31:07,450 --> 01:31:08,850
I guess it can happen if it gets

2373
01:31:08,850 --> 01:31:09,410
cold enough.

2374
01:31:09,690 --> 01:31:09,790
Sure.

2375
01:31:10,130 --> 01:31:10,370
Yeah.

2376
01:31:10,390 --> 01:31:12,330
So no, they already predicted it would start

2377
01:31:12,330 --> 01:31:14,810
today and it hasn't started today and maybe

2378
01:31:14,810 --> 01:31:15,330
tomorrow.

2379
01:31:15,650 --> 01:31:17,610
So I'm not too, uh, not too worried,

2380
01:31:17,790 --> 01:31:18,230
but we'll see.

2381
01:31:18,350 --> 01:31:20,290
Austin's not, you're not in those crosshairs, are

2382
01:31:20,290 --> 01:31:20,490
you?

2383
01:31:21,730 --> 01:31:22,170
Yeah.

2384
01:31:22,790 --> 01:31:24,790
But Fredericksburg is right on the cusp of

2385
01:31:24,790 --> 01:31:26,450
it, but they were, they were all freaking

2386
01:31:26,450 --> 01:31:27,210
us out too.

2387
01:31:27,290 --> 01:31:28,630
So we'll see how it goes.

2388
01:31:28,630 --> 01:31:30,130
Watch out for your trees.

2389
01:31:30,270 --> 01:31:31,930
If we survive, we'll be back next week

2390
01:31:31,930 --> 01:31:32,690
for the board meeting.

2391
01:31:32,910 --> 01:31:34,810
Thank you all for being here for the

2392
01:31:34,810 --> 01:31:37,310
one and only podcasting board meeting.

2393
01:31:37,410 --> 01:31:38,990
We'll be back next week, right here on

2394
01:31:38,990 --> 01:31:57,110
podcasting 2.0. You

2395
01:31:57,110 --> 01:32:01,670
have been listening to podcasting 2.0. Visit

2396
01:32:01,670 --> 01:32:04,970
podcastindex.org for more information.