podcasting 2.0 for February 19 2021, Episode 25 can't drive
55 Oh yes, this is the Friday I've been looking forward to
it without power for
a bit, you know, been
freezing my butt off.
You're not dead. I'm
not dead. That's right.
And of course, it's not because I'm doing a podcast that I'm
always looking forward to Friday just because I'm doing a board
meeting of podcasting 2.0 podcast index.org I'm out of
curry in Austin, Texas. And in Alabama, the man so powerful he
controls the podcast climate my friend on the other end.
Crisis averted. We solve the climate crisis. By crisis. I
mean, the fact that Apple doesn't have a climate category,
I must say Dave Jones for a dude named Ben IT admin guy. Yeah,
right. There's a there's a business. There's a shrewd
business executive marketing guy hiding under all those layers.
No, yeah, sure.
That's me.
Let me tell you how I experienced this. Now we could
talk about my week later on. It's not that interesting is
just I was out of the loop. I was really out of the loop,
literally out of the power loop. So then I'm studying energy
sources and all this and so I'm finally getting back into Okay,
what can I check in when I could on on the mastodon
look at podcasting? Still a thing is this. Yeah.
I'm still moving. Actually. I'm like, cool. Has anyone
implemented lightning yet? Okay. All right, keep going.
And then I see this posting Oh, do you added climate and then
it's like, Oh, that's interesting. And I again, I
wasn't quite in the in the full on mode. And then I see Cridland
posting something, which I immediately perceived as snark.
I'm like, Oh, what's this? And so there's this whole group that
has been begging for a climate tag. Yeah. And, and kind of hits
me like, Oh, my, this, this is like a huge tipping point. And
let me just take it one step further. Because then I was
listening to pod land this morning. I was listening to pod
land when I'm taking a shower. So perfect layouts a little bit
longer. But, you know, and and, and he's got chapters now and
I'm doing what I hate the most isn't like, Oh, I want to jump
to the interviews with Tom Ross. He was I don't talk about that.
Yet, that's good.
Oh, it was great interview, but then the tags come up. And, and
here's how it was presented, which I just thought was
amusing. You know, so here's the controversy. These guys wanted
that. But you always have to kiss apples as anyone who would
really want the climate tag, and then who's, uh, who's the other
host? James's co host, Sam.
Sam said he's gonna be on we've we're gonna have him on the show
in about a month, I think,
Oh, cool. Well, he says, Well, you know, President Trump
wouldn't want that he wouldn't want that tag. And then Cridland
goes, Oh, yeah. And if you ever talked to Adam Curry don't bring
up climate
hadn't even entered my mind. I'm like, Oh, my God, this is so
polarizing. Like, this is great. This,
like, I'm almost completely climate agnostic. I mean, like,
I don't, you know, I'm, I don't know enough about it to speak to
it at all. And, you know, I mean, I've got my own thoughts,
but I don't even have enough real confidence in it to speak,
to speak. You know, about it as if I know anything, but um, you
know, but I don't really care. I mean, like, that doesn't have to
even like, the climate, the climate category, I think,
is a good idea. It's a great idea. It's, it has nothing to do
with climate change or anything like that. Yeah. But here's,
here's what became so obvious to me. And Bless you, Tom Rossi,
because this kind of came up in the interview portion. Now. So I
haven't looked too deeply into it. But there's this whole
initiative that wants the climate tag and they've started
what is it podcasters for change or something like that and
declare podcasters podcasters declare, that's what is that's
what it is. Yeah, I
wanna I want to let me just bring this up here first Good
choice
on a domain name, by the way, because that that leaves it that
doesn't tied to just climate, you can declare lots of things
like you can declare different things in the future. It's like
podcasters declared calm thing, right?
Yeah, here it is. I'm going to put it on the show notes for a
second. I have that they're podcasters we've got a real true
crime on our hands. Apple has no climate category, but this open
letter changes everything.
This campaign PR
big letters to this campaign is for podcasters this See the
benefit of a climate category. So you either listen to climate
podcasts, make them or just want to support them. And then it
goes as here's the problem. Apple doesn't have a climate
category. So it's too damn hard for listeners to find what
they're looking for. This open letter will change that. Okay,
so then when was this not mixing up two conversations now
probably because I was also listening to Marty with Tales
from the trip. But Winterbottom Rossi comes on. And they're
talking about all the things that buzzsprout has implemented
for the namespace. Right? And now it hits me even though we've
had Tom on the show. If you listen to him, he has a cadence
and a tom bruh. That very liberal,
yes. And what is it? Like? Just made it an ember?
I'm just I made it up.
Okay, I'll go with this.
How about this, he has a resonance in his voice, the
pitch, and the cadence is very close to that of Steve Jobs. And
I was enchanted by it. And I was enchanted by it. Now, and it
doesn't make sense to I thought about pulling a clip, but you
really gotta listen to uh, you know, you got to listen to it
over a couple minutes. You're like, shit, man. It's like It's
like a very, almost between Steve Jobs calm how I've met him
and Steve Jobs presenting. It's very interesting.
I agree with that. He had a had a, me and Tom did a, like a zoom
call thing. About a week and a half ago, he was helping me kind
of get up and get up and go and on, on Ruby in order to do the
web project. And so he was like, kind of talking, talking me
through some stuff. And yeah, he's like, it's like calm Steve
Jobs, I felt, I felt it made me feel good about my lack of
knowledge. Here's
how good he made me feel. So I'm listening to all the tags
they've implemented, and have built tools for you know, with
with chapters, well, of course, they are the the genesis of the
of the transcript, but the person tag the what have they
got the Bose sound by sound bites Exactly. location. And I'm
just listening to this and like, and his philosophy and how they
saw it was happening. And he's and what he was, in essence,
saying tying it back to the climate tag, is, once we have a
market enough of a market of apps that are implementing
these, and I'm seeing it, I mean to me, and I'm we're very close
to it, but I'm seeing what hyper catcher does, I'm seeing what
pod verse does all, of course, a pod friend. And I'm seeing the
common static, yes. And I've seen the content show up, I'm
seeing people tweeting me saying, Oh, you know, I use
podcast attic. And I want this functionality, I'm going to go
over to buzzsprout. And right now buzzsprout is, is the
backbone, I daresay, of the podcasting 2.0 revolution, they
are providing 90,000 people with the ability to add all of this
content, and here is what will happen. It only takes a few. And
I'm hoping it's going to be NPR and maybe it will be NPR if we
can implement the climate tag. It's such a small issue for them
to promote their podcast with these enhanced features
available on x, y z apps, so that people can still enjoy
whatever they want to on Apple or Spotify. But any of these
other apps will give them the enhancement and, and I think
they can drive that audience I think they can and so what I was
thinking is I want to build on this and take it one step
further. And I want to switch start with this feed but I want
to do it for no agenda, I want to switch my feed creation to
buzzsprout they already do more than I can do with the freedom
controller which is nothing but just a lack of resources, which
is but you know, these guys are building the tools along with
it. And I want to now they don't have the value block but I want
to put them in my value block because they won't charge me so
I just want to put them into a value block and let's just see
how that works. But they need
a node right
we'll give them a note that says I'm an expert now giving people
nodes code man give me the Bitcoin yo I'll pay in Bitcoin
is true.
Which reminds me David, you need to send us your note that day.
David Piper killer Yeah. So that we I can kind of see what now I
don't want to move. I want to keep the feed hosted. And this
is why I also want to put them in the value blocks, I just want
their creation tool. So I need to be able to get my feet out
and then upload it to our own system, which is also going to
save them that shit ton of money. I don't want it, you
know, I can put my mp3 is on their system, just the creation
tool. So I need some help with importing it, you know, will it
still work with the community chapters that are being done?
Now? I think we can. In that transition, we might be able to
solve some other problems with these community based features.
Does that make sense? Oh, yeah, no,
I think that's a great idea. Because they've got what was
holding it back before if they didn't have a couple of things
that you needed, like images and the chapters, and some of that,
but now that, you know, now that we've got Well, if you're doing
community chapters, though, I don't think they did, you can
just stick a chapter URL in their chapter file URL,
oh, this has to be figured out. And it's also important for
moving forward. When someone I mean, these types of additional
features create enormous lock in on the platform side, because
the VAT and not because they're locked in with a key and Haha,
we have you, it's because they have excellent tools, we still
should make it or they I mean, I can't tell tell them how to run
their business. But they should probably make it easy for people
to migrate something somehow. Now, back to the original point
I'm making. We, the hosting companies have always had their
eye on Apple. The podcast apps, or have developers have always
been the sickly brother with with the plague down below, who
are like, oh, what are those guys doing? What are those guys
doing and then trying to creating their own little world
with enhanced audio features and speed listening, that's actually
been quite beneficial. Because, you know, there's been so much
time just to develop anything that would be a feature that
that autumn, that's just the nature of it, you know, and and
people create that what neither of those parties considered was
the content. So I believe you can dry because I'm a podcaster
I believe I can drive people to consume my enhanced content on
on applications and through systems that support that. And I
may not be able to drive everybody, but I certainly can
drive a lot. And I know, I know this because when there's
something cool happening, maybe not necessarily with podcasting,
people tell me because they've heard it on some other podcast,
it has a network effect. And I'm already seeing this with some of
these features that we have with with the the chapters now.
buzzsprout added the images. These images are starting to
delight people just today. I didn't know this, but on my lock
screen, I saw the pod land. Image change.
Oh, cool.
Yeah. You know, based upon the chapter, so the audience will
drive this and, and we're coming, it's coming together so
well. So I can help drive that I have a pretty large audience.
For the value block, you know, there's no secret that I want to
we already have max Kaiser, Max and Stacy, they're already
seeing sat streaming, but it's mainly, I would say only from
Sphinx. I don't man from pod station from me, because that's
my main pod station. podcasts that I listened to orange pill
podcast. But you know, we've we've got this about ready to
open up and and I guess what I'm saying is be prepared, because
we will push these guys out of the way they're either going to
adapt, or God knows what they're going to do. But they're not
going to be able to keep up. This is going to be very easy to
certain point. I can feel it in my bones.
Well, the climate thing, the climate tag category tag. I did
for a couple of reasons. Like I did it quickly for a couple of
reasons. One was I thought it was a good idea. And I'd love a
climate tag because I'd like to I'd like to
pay I just I just sat through some climate here. I'd like to
Yeah, it's you know, where there's not climate but I'm
interested in learning. Yeah.
You know, number two, I did it to show how much faster the the
open podcast ecosystem can respond when you don't have to
wait on a company to make a decision. Exactly. And I think
that's, that's just like, Oh, yeah, duh. That's easy to say.
But I think there's a nuance there is It's sort of shameful
that this group had to buy a domain and build a website and
do an open letter and spend more than five minutes of their life.
Yeah, creating a thing, just to petition and beg Apple to do
something. Well, that exposes a serious problem. Oh, Apple does
not own podcasting. No company does. And so they're for for,
for somebody to have to go to a private company and beg them to
do something. doesn't make any sense in this context. Nope. I
mean, like, if you're, if you want them to add a feature to
Apple podcast app, yes, that makes sense. But if you want
them to add a feature into the podcasting, XML itself, well,
what you shouldn't exist, they don't own that that's not
theirs. It doesn't belong to them. It belongs to all of
podcasting as an ecosystem. So like, they should be able to
just instead of spending all this time and money to do all
this kind of stuff, should have been able to say, oh, here's the
podcast namespace. Hey, guys, we should put this in and it would
have taken like a day.
So this, I think this is all part of a much deeper issue. I
don't know if it's a problem. But I do see it as it kind of
goes back to my mom can't use it. You know that something is
when someone says that I've heard this all my life. Well, my
mom can't use it. And I finally come almost I did on the show,
but I think the right answer is, I'm sorry, man, what's wrong
with your mom? Is she learning disabled? Or what's going on
with her? That's the correct answer. But in you know, you and
I are a little older, we've been around podcasting, you know, 16
years, this, this is much more than half of most podcasters
lives in this thing has been around. Or they've only been
around for half of it. I mean, there's, there's, you know, I
learned this during our during our blackout here, the people
have become so and you as an admin know this, I've become so
spoiled by technology, and oh, it'll just work. It just works
like an Etch A Sketch, just shake it and it just works. And,
you know, you see the stupidity all the time. And you know, the
classic example being my password, they won't accept my
password will click the caps lock off. You know, that's,
that's like a classic. But when I realized that very intelligent
people who I like my neighbors, and people who I love my family,
many of them could not connect the idea of lighting a stove, a
gas stove, with anything other than the electric starter. It
was when people say like, I can't use my stove, because I
can't get it lit because you know, the the starter won't
fire.
Okay, I've been warning about this for for a long time. And
people just think I'm a crank, like, because I would definitely
fall into the category of cranky, cranky old tea guy.
Okay. So like when I when I start being a bitch and about
things, just kind of roll. But I've been, you know, grappling
about this for a while is the more of what you hear in the
business world is, oh, the young people, they're so tech savvy.
No, they're not right. They're absolutely 100% not tech savvy.
They have lots of devices. And they have lots of apps. But that
is not the same thing as being tech savvy. I mean, my mom
downloaded Chrome. She has no idea what how she did that or
what she did. I mean, like that. You can do lots of things
without actually knowing anything about the way it works.
And though and I think it's worse now than it was then
because but back then you were forced to have to learn pieces
of the system to understand what
was working underneath. Yes,
yes. So you boot your computer up and you get some crazy IR q
conflict, you know, air you need, you gotta go before you
know it. I mean, you know, 30 minutes later, you're in a
config dot sis file, trying to figure out what you know, high,
medium, low, drop me a memory driver. And, but you actually
have to learn something in that process. And people kind of knew
what that stuff was back then. To a certain degree nowadays.
You can't even get to that stuff, and things break. And
it's just like, I have Okay, rebooted a few times. That
didn't work. I guess I got to get a new phone. Right. I mean,
it's to that level, it's gotten it's gotten worse. But yeah, and
I know what you're saying about the about that has expanded to
like a more general tech illiteracy is not involved with
computers, but more just like, even just household day to day
stuff.
So that's why my response when you say correctly, that it
shouldn't take more than five minutes of these people's time
even thinking about this, it's because there is no literacy of
the system. Our system is counter to the entire concept of
technology, which is Silicon Valley, and you have a device
that connects to them. The idea of truly decentralized, isn't
it? People can't grasp it. And they go to the results, you
know. So it's like, well, it's like someone saying, well, the
internet's not working. That's the result. Yeah, the internet
is not working. Or I often hear my internet when someone says,
my internet is not working, I've now learned, oh, something's
wrong with your browser. And this is this, we see this tech
illiteracy popping up in Australia, with the Facebook
banning of, of news sharing. And, and I'm like, Oh, my God,
people do not realize what a browser is anymore. They only
have apps, they don't understand what a browser is.
I'm glad you brought this up. Because that that was I spent, I
spent half the night last night just like thinking about this
topic and looking at articles and just kind of getting getting
my head around this. And I think, I think this is, this is
huge. Number one, I think Facebook's making a terrible
mistake. They this is this is a horrible mistake you. You don't
ever want to show people that they can live without you.
That's not a good decision for somebody who is in the market
position of dominance that they are. If you if this goes on for
very long. People are going to just here's a perfect example.
This is a see if I can find it in this article that this guy
says, Oh, yeah, Max looms. Loomis, a 25 year old research
assistant in Sydney, said he'll revert to an old strategy to
stay informed and set his homepage on his web browser to a
newspapers website.
Wow. What a car. We just went in a third 25 year circle. That was
great.
Listen to what he says. He says it's what my dad used to do. Oh
my goodness, everybody, we come up on grandpa's lap. I'll tell
you how it used to be in the old days of the internet. Before we
had Yahoo. We had made our own homepage as with HTML with blink
tags. marquee
iframe.
It says it's what my dad used to do, said Mr. Loomis, who
previously would read news and share articles on Facebook
multiple times a day. He says, I think I'll reduce my Facebook
use quite substantially. Yeah, if your Facebook that is not
what you want to hear. If Facebook has miscalculated this
situation, I think like Google, Google's going in the opposite
direction. You know, they're saying, Oh, yeah, we'll pay
people. We have mountains and mountains of cash, we will pay
people in order to preserve our market position. Sure. And
because we don't want people to see that they can have a life
outside of us. And Facebook is literally so full of themselves.
If they think that this is going to work, they don't they don't
realize that they don't have the protection. So this is similar
to like a dish network or DirecTV having a dispute with a
broadcast. broadcaster. Yes.
old model. Yeah, very old model.
But they don't have the same protections that those guys do.
No, no,
it's, it's called smoking your own dope.
Yeah, for real? Yeah.
I I had this list yesterday on no agenda of what we've been, I
would say in 2020. And then anybody can argue the validity
of each individual one but I could say in 20 2021 we have
learned about the following corrupt institutions corrupt and
no good and just maybe a better word this shit How about that?
education, teachers, teachers, unions, the curriculum Common
Core all of this going on in, in higher education, politicians
corrupt with and entwined with China like mitch mcconnell
swalwell but everyone up there is a piece of crap. Nancy
Pelosi, they're all they're all lane. They're all corrupt the
whole system, the pharmaceutical, pharma the
vaccines, you know, the whole medical industry, everything
that we're in this biosecurity state insurance, health
insurance, complete scam and rip off me just anything about
China. I'm pretty down on you know, we've got the NBA NBA
professional sports captured by China. It's all been it's all
been exposed. Then we get to the stock market how with Wall
Street bets, how long All of this stuff is just completely
rigged against the individual. We learned about the energy
markets. Now. It's not just climate change. It's not just
windmills. It's the secondary markets. There's no incentive to
protect people. It's about making money, central banks and
Fiat Bitcoin. I'm about to hit 55. Today 55,000 the White
Helmets in Syria, they got an award and it was a speaking of
awards, Andrew Cuomo killed people and lied about the
numbers. Hollywood is one again, China, we got the big tech who
thinks that they smoking their own dope, big agriculture is
next. I mean, and to me, it's like, and I said this yesterday
on the show, it's like, no wonder guys like Tim Poole and
the guests he has on his show where, like, if the government
will do anything, and you know, we'll do anything to get out of
this. And he's now a little behind, he's gonna catch up to
us. But that's what that's what all I think maybe that's what
Bitcoin is about. But it's it's all falling apart. And I think I
know that we laugh about it. But America Online was the end all
be all that was it. This was interactive computing, you had
your email, you had your discussion groups. So So much so
that MTV allowed me to register mtv.com because they had the AOL
keyword, they weren't worried. And then they opened up that
little window to the browser on the internet. And they were a
dial up company within
two years. To see I think the smoking their own dope is it is
100 is 100%. True. Like, because these guys are too young. They
haven't been they haven't been in, they don't know fully how
the system works.
Whereas we have been to the mountaintop.
Yes, right? Well, let me go back to Microsoft. They were in the
same position. They were in the position of of actual, like,
Facebook is not a monopoly. I'm sorry, they're not a monopoly.
Is somebody who dumped who owns an industry and the Facebook is
not a monopoly.
They have a duopoly with Google on advertisements
on advertising. Yes. So but Microsoft, back in the 90s was
an actual monopoly. Yeah. I mean, like, in if you want to
define, you know, to go down that road, classic, classic,
yeah, classic, well defined monopoly. And that one of the
most interesting things that I heard, you know, ever that came
out of that case, was that somebody had told somebody who
told Microsoft, or one of the Microsoft's represent, you know,
legal representation that, that y'all just thought joke, it's
something to the effect of y'all just thought y'all could stay
over there and not participate in the game. Basically, they had
not been lobbying, they had not been putting the money in
worst day in 1990. I want to say five or six, but I'm not taking
the company public yet. my coat, my partner, co founder and I, we
were hired by Microsoft to help them come up with an Internet
strategy. And they put us in for four days in a room with no
windows pizza lunches brought in.
Yeah. And, and they were,
it was so obvious, they didn't care. They didn't care at all,
it was not interesting. Of course, you know, they felt they
had the lock on this nasty internet thing with the with the
Explorer. And I think, you know, the integration into the, into
the OS was a very anti competitive move. But the end
result, and I think this was the point that was made, maybe it
was on pod land, is that, you know, now years later, we have
Explorer, and everyone hates it hates it, hates having to deal
with it. And it's and it's I think it's put a negative on
that whole company for it and it's a bad mark for them for the
rest of their lives.
Well, these these new younger quote unquote monopolies don't
understand that you can't, that they are not big and they're,
they're too big for their own britches. Yeah, they haven't
understood that they're dealing with old power games, and old
money games that don't give to rats about them. Like, you know
that here's the listen to this like this is who is this rep
Representative David Cicilline, a Democrat from Rhode Island. He
said, if it's not already clear, Facebook is not compatible with
democracy. threatening to bring an entire country to its knees
to agree to Facebook's terms is the ultimate admission of
monopoly power. He listened to that language. He says it
threatening to bring an entire country to its knees. Do this is
Facebook. Yeah. It's just a website. You're not bringing the
whole country to its knees. It is literally just a website and
this other dude already said he changed his homepage and he's
done. He's fine. He's moving on. Yeah, like and but I think this
ties into something else. And this is the I think one of the
reasons why they want maybe Facebook and perhaps Twitter and
some of these other social medias, these social media
companies, maybe one of the reasons why they are thinking
they're they're smoking their own dope, and thinking they're
too big. There, they can play at this level. Maybe, maybe it's
got to do with the fact that we've given them too much power
over the last over the last, you know, few years, and where they
can like, we're deep platforming people. We're, you know, take
we're silencing, misinformation, they really think that they are
the arbiters of what, of reality. Well,
thank you. I haven't found a good way to explain this yet.
Because the only reason why deep platforming is a thing. Now
there's different kinds of deep platforming, financial deep
platforming is an issue. But when it comes to taking someone
off of Twitter, or Facebook, or, or YouTube, so they only have
the trifecta. It's because of the vanity of the users. The
users believe. First they believe all the numbers. So when
you know likes, and and retweets and all this stuff, yeah, maybe
it's the right number. I don't think so, you know, all of that
is algorithmically driven. You are in fact, called a user. It's
the old joke, but you are hooked. It's it's not a theory.
It's, it's it's fact, there's much admission about the the
brain that is being manipulated to using a lot of these systems.
And with that comes one of the the sins man vanity. When when
you it's almost like asking for people to support you in value
for value. You feel ashamed, I'll say it I know. I mean, I
was highly paid entertainment guy to then say, Oh, please send
me money, we'll kill it, no one's gonna hire me. But when
you reposition your head and go, Hey, this is valuable. Hey, you
know, if you're, if you're a human being, you'll send me some
value. That's pretty much the pitch right there. It's not,
it's not that hard. But it's, it's something to get over. So
when you realize that, hey, I actually get engagement and have
conversations with people on platforms that are not really
known or will be better protocols that you know, aren't
the big promoted ones, the ones that flow through onto
television, and that's a whole ecosystem. If you think that's
important to you, or that all your friends must listen to what
you say, because they're on Facebook, if they're interested,
they can find you on these other places. So it's, it's, it's
within ourselves, I'm agreeing with you, it's within ourselves,
that we have this need to be the other 15 minutes of fame. And I
can say fame and all that.
Yeah. Yeah. Not that. That's that whole idea that, that what
happens online is reality.
Yeah. Well, it's
specifically what happens in social media is reality. That
thing needs to crop that that idea needs to go away. And I
think they, they, they are shooting themselves in the foot.
If they don't roll this back after, let's just say a week
that they're dead man. I mean, they're, they're toast in that
in that country, because people will just find out, they'll just
go back to what they used to do, which was fine, too. You know,
that that's the thing is, is what we had what we had without
Facebook. Let me let me say it this way. I've got a Facebook
account. I haven't logged into it in probably over a year. And
you know what, it's just fine. Life is fine. Nothing's
different about my life. Everything is just fine. This is
not Facebook is not a reality is just like the, the antitrust
lawsuit against the General Mills. And there was this big
data thing about claiming that General Mills was a monopoly.
And at the time for breakfast cereal, it was like, there was
this lawsuit went, you know, went on and on. And at some
point, during the during the case, the judge said, You know,
I don't think this really qualifies as a monopoly. Because
I don't even eat cereal. He's like, I'm kind of a sausage and
eggs kind of guy myself. And it's like, at some point, you
got to step back and say, yeah, this is not really that big of a
deal. Because the whole, the whole rest of the internet
exists.
Alright, so I'm going to simplify this for myself,
because I think this is what it comes down to. And and
podcasting is a part of all of what's going on now with Silicon
Valley, in an odd way. And this isn't this is a story I've told
before, but it's important to understand the one thing, the
one thing and it started Well, I people weren't on. I couldn't
get on Facebook back when Twitter started, because I
didn't have a.edu. So I'm not quite sure how they did it. But
Twitter was jack Dorsey and all those guys. They had audio and
audio as a podcast platform, which was built in Flash. And
you would be able to use a flash like studio, which would help
you record and I only saw a demo of it once. But you know, it was
like, holy crap, and YouTube hadn't popped up yet. So, you
know, flash was not such a thing, the way they were
presenting is very impressive. And they also had a listening
side to it. And the one thing they had before, they never
launched that podcast company, and they relaunched his Twitter.
And so the what they had at the time, they, they, they did the
impossible, which is why it didn't work. And we all remember
the farewell because they had a system based on RSS feeds. And
they were, in essence, taking the feed and saying, okay,
here's your TL, here's your timeline. And you can add things
to your timeline by following someone. So they changed the
model from subscribe, which was a laborious, right click Copy,
switch, apps paste process to subscribe to feeds. They change
that into a centralized way to subscribe. And this was the only
thing that could not be fixed in the decentralized model. Dave
Weiner had no idea for it, no one had an idea for it not now
we have some things like web pub, which, which can function
quite well, for some of this publish subscribe, but that
that's what they had. And when that took place, Google
realized, Oh, this is the thing, this is what people want, they
want to feed. So everyone creates a stream of feed, and
then we can aggregate it, and we're going to centralize it,
and oh, we better not any have. And this is important. Because
we got it, we got to smoke our own dope. They don't want anyone
to know about RSS, because it is the one thing that can be used
to get rid of all of them. RSS creating an RSS feed, you know,
there's still ways to do it. It gives you the exact same
functionality without the algorithms which you could add
in yourself if you wanted to. And it's truly decentralized
and, and so when it comes to people don't know how stuff
works, that's the genesis of social networks is RSS, and a
centralized subscription mechanism. But that's it. Yeah,
and Apple provided the same, they had the iTunes widget. And
and because they were and they were trusted enough, because
they had to send one click centralized subscribe. That was
the power. So if we can replicate that, which I think we
already kind of are doing, it's, you know, we're doing it in a in
a distributed way, at the decentralized part comes
together on your app, and weaker, weaker links in the
chain, like the index, although it's a we can replicate it, and
we could, you know, and eventually distributed. Yeah,
we're gonna fix that.
We're gonna fix this, you might like it. Yeah,
all of this could come down, including Apple, and Spotify.
And when you have innovative toolmakers, like buzzsprout, who
are really playing into, okay, we understand the type of user
we have, we're not going to try and change them. But we're going
to make a damn good output based upon what what they want to do
with the technology.
Because that ties back into why, at least for me, personally, why
I am so anti moderation within the podcast space, is because as
soon as you allow that moderate that says, Listen, as you allow
an entity to pop up as a moderator, you end up with
things like Facebook, Twitter, and you end up with some, once
you once you grant
Well, that's the separation of creation and aggregation. That's
the that's the thing right there. And an aggregator should
ban whatever they want their users not to see, just do
whatever you want. But a provider campus shouldn't be
banned from getting in the system. Play.
One, I didn't know if we're gonna do this today as they
play. And I'm hoping maybe horning in on most turf here
that brought some Malcolm X clips.
Oh, no, no, it's just as much my turf as that is most. Okay. All
right. Malcolm X brought us together.
Well, I'm about 2322 or 23 speeches into Malcolm X's
catalog so far, and I can look We say this. Malcolm X, I now
believe is like, Yes. How do I want to describe him? He is the
he's one of the greatest black philosophers in American
history.
Let me put it this way. He is the real deal. And I'm going out
on a limb here. But this is stuff that Moe and I have talked
about. Martin Luther King, Jr. is to Malcolm X. What Greta tune
berry is, you know, to I don't have a good a good example. But
Malcolm X was more, or Martin Luther King was more of a
marketing type icon that was put there, like a gratitude berry
of, you know, the for climate change. And I know it sounds
weird. And people who don't know the history of Malcolm X and
Martin Luther King, Jr. will probably think I'm a dick. But
you know, listen to some old facts. And you'll learn real
quick, Malcolm and that before, there was a whole period before,
once the Nation of Islam and then things did change, and he
had other influences in his life. But early Malcolm X, mind
blowing stuff mind blowing, and I never learned that in school.
I don't think you did either.
Oh, no, no, no, to me, especially here in the south.
Malcolm X was anathema. Like Exactly. Martin Luther King
Martin Luther King was revered right here. Yeah. And, and
because he was non violence. And that was his whole thing. And he
was religious. He was Christian and that kind of thing. But you
know, if you ever brought up Malcolm X, it was like, Oh, no,
no, no, we don't wait. Like, we just want to treat him like he
didn't exist, you know. And so this is the literally in I'm 44.
This is the first time I'm hearing a lot of these Malcolm
X. ideas. You're
ahead of me. It wasn't until I was 52. I mean, wait, I'm
56 5055.
Yeah, well, I mean, the guy's a freaking genius. He literally
was a genius to be able to look at the landscape. And just
immediately identify these these things, and then go one step
further and come out and actually say them, like, okay,
so play clip to
x. We will, I hope, get some phone calls. But there are many
things that I want to get out of the way here. And I know that
many times you have been involved in riots.
At least you have been accused of inciting a riot. There was
one that sprang I think in Los Angeles, which became turned
into a very unfortunate affair. It wasn't a riot. What the press
initially reported as a blazing gun battle between Muslims and
police, after investigation ended up being a the blazing
guns of the police at innocent Negros, seven of which were shot
down, one of which died, two of which were brothers from
Philadelphia here and one of them was shot and both of them
were shot in the back. One of them was shot in the spine and
is paralyzed for the rest of his life. And the city of Los
Angeles probably has the worst case of human rights violation,
civil rights, human rights violation on its hands that any
city has ever had. And when the public becomes acquainted with
the facts of what happened out there, it will look mighty bad,
I don't think anywhere in the history of Mississippi, Alabama,
and Louisiana combined. have seven negros been shot down at
one time, but it happened in Los Angeles, California.
Okay, so that that was like 1963 or four. Okay, so play clip
three.
So if you guys did not know No.
Clip three is no, I think you got no matter what. So it was
interviewed. So play clip to Malcolm X inciting to violence.
Okay, I'm sorry this
couple weeks ago in Jacksonville, Florida, young
teenage girls were throwing Molotov cocktails now 10 years
ago, but what you could learn from them is they're waking up.
Molotov cocktails today. You should not feel that I'm
inciting to violence. I'm only warning. Second, you can take it
or leave it. If you take the warning. Perhaps you can still
save yourself. But if you ignore it or ridicule it, well, that is
already at your doorstep. There are 22 million African Americans
who are ready to fight for independence right here. I'm
when I say Piper independent right here, I don't mean any non
violent fight, or turn the other cheek fight those days have gone
over.
Wow, President Trump aligned with Malcolm X that must freak
some people out.
So that that clip that you just heard, took place a few years
before the clip Previous to that. Mm hmm. And you can
clearly hear, and this was he was very clear about this his
entire career. until his death, he never was inciting violence.
And he said it over and over and over again, he was saying two
things he was saying, if you don't recognize what's going to
what's happening, and what's boiling over in, in the black
community, you're gonna you're gonna regret it. And number two
is, is the black population can should defend itself, because
the government is not defending it. The government is not
standing, jumping in and defending the black population,
and should they should be able to do it themselves. Exactly.
It's those those two things he wouldn't he never incited
violence and told people to go out and be violent. But in the
clip, the first clip you played, which happened years after that,
they were still accusing him of inciting violence. Well, that's,
that's what that my point is. The the whole idea of moderation
of having a moderator, somebody who will silence speech. Mm hmm.
Malcolm, if Twitter and Facebook had existed in 1962, Malcolm X
would have been cancelled immediately. Yeah. Because he
would be quote, unquote, inciting violence, even though
he never did. And that that's that is the you make a
very good point.
That's the threat of having to have having moderation in there
is that somebody has to make the decision. And those that
person's decision making or that group's decision making is not
always in the best interest of anybody except them.
So, which is why choice is better. Yeah, choice is always
going to be
was antithetical to advertising, to have some of this stuff on
your platform. And nobody would have wanted Malcolm X on their
platform, saying that he better get ready because it's gonna be
you know, it's stone. It was stones yesterday. It's Molotov
cocktails today in his hand grenades tomorrow. Hey, like,
who
owns who owns those audio recordings? You said, you were
you. There's a collection you were listening to?
Yeah, I started listening to it on an audio book. There's a
collection on
Audible, but then be great for a podcast. Yeah. There's just got
to be public domain by now.
I think so. And I and I found a cash this guest selling,
basically selling like 50 something. speeches and all the
transcripts for all of his speeches for like, 20 bucks. And
I was like, Oh, yeah, here, take my money. Cool. And I downloaded
them all as mp3 as he
copyrighted that is the copper. I mean, the transcripts he could
copyright is he copyrighted the the audio, I'm just trying to
figure out if you could put it on a podcast because that'd be
dynamite.
Yeah, I think it would be done. I don't know, I need to contact
but I think a lot of these were like University speeches and
interviews on old radio shows that don't exist anymore. I'm
not, I don't know if any of them would still be under copyright
is one I can't find from Brown University that I'm trying to
find. And it's like, it's supposed to be really good. It's
from earliest like, 1961 one of his earliest speeches. Anyway,
that that's, I think that that, you know, we like I said before,
we just have to our memories are way too short. Oh,
yes. Well, because the, the you know, the, the the random access
memory is continuously overloaded with signals where we
have trouble even finding the backups or the cold storage.
Like, where was it?
Yeah, you know what we can just we, if if the world figures out
they can just stop social media can stop these things. I mean,
it's really that simple.
Well, we can it's it You're right, it's that simple. We can
stop it Just stop it stop it set up a little thing with you set
up a mastodon with your with your family. Just stop it.
Yeah, you know.
I'm so passionate here. I tipped over my coffee. It's okay.
The See, I can tell you where, everywhere. Okay, so you may not
get Malcolm X on your platform. But I can tell you what you will
get on your platform. And this is okay, I gotta make Well, I
guess I have a confession that you know, I say that I'm
clipping these podcasts in order for me to
Malcolm X Malcolm X was
out and and Okay, not Malcolm X. Okay, this this is this is this
is not. So maybe Malcolm X wouldn't have been allowed on
these platforms and in not in 1960 you know one or today even.
But here's what you do get with nice content moderated brand
aware brand safe
package
process. Yes, you get clip for Charlie pre roll
sanitized for your production.
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does Invisalign. Did they hear that host read in the boardroom?
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around the boardroom like this. She's she just killed it here.
No, no, the advertising is changed the media buyers who who
make these deals, they're down the line. And it's the same
thing. All these kids, they get it they understand how it works.
Oh, sounds like crap to me. But these the kids that we hired to
do this, they know what the kids like. And you know what, Dave?
Maybe they're right. I don't know. I don't know the sales
numbers. It doesn't sound appealing to me.
Well, I you know, I mean, I'm just a little bit. I keep coming
to the show with these clips of these of these, you know, teen
teenage social media influencers and then it's starting to grow
on me. And I'm actually starting to like, I say that I'm just
clipping it for this show, but I'm more I'm more like sickly
fat. Oh,
man a second. This is interesting. If you could turn
this, this passion of yours into, into, you know, some
something useful for the world. Like, let's get these kids to
leave Spotify and come over where the real playground is.
Oh, yeah, I'll make some stats. I will let you contact her and
explain lightning to her.
She shouldn't have to know. This is like,
this wasn't my secret musical shame, which is Twain.
I love shanaya she's still married to Matt.
I don't know. But she made a comment. She made a comeback.
Yes. She's making albums again.
Yeah, I wish she was married to MK Lang the the Def Leppard
producer, you know, like, Oh, I
didn't know that.
Yeah, yes. about her.
No, this I'm supposed to be a metal that's supposed to be a
metal head. All my buddies think I'm a metal head but I like
Shania Twain and Rick Astley and Bruce Hornsby.
See I'm not I'm not. I'm not prejudiced like that. And a lot
of people always say, Oh, you just you just put on the you
just put on the leather jacket. You're not really a metal guy.
And I totally was. Yeah, I wasn't like
I literally have that literally have a Bruce Hornsby song. Right
next to Megadeth on on my playlist.
Yep. I think Bruce Hornsby on a second tonight. This is great
for podcasting. 2.0 Twain was married to my outline the
divorce in 2010. Now and then she got married to holy crap.
She got married to the Swiss dude. Okay, so she married some
dude for the money that didn't work. And then she now that was
first Have no doubt she's still married to him. Frederick tibau.
French guy. Oh, well, let me see her voice is a money guy.
sounds totally different now.
It does.
It's like super deep. I mean, I think we I think we have the
same range. You and shanaya Yeah. Do you sing Dave? No, no,
God, no. No, you don't want that to happen anywhere close to you.
No. Sorry. I didn't mean to derail us from podcasts you did.
Sorry. We started with Malcolm X and then do a shout out to Wayne
at some weird way. But then I did get a good I get did get a
good I still had a few different nice. Okay. All right. Let's see
which one do I so do I say one? Okay,
it is going pretty great. Yeah.
That one right out right out. I like that one. I'm gonna.
Ready. Great.
That's when my wife comes home. How was your day? I think it was
pretty great.
This This was better than I said. 303.
My first I would find God. Oh, boy.
What have we done?
If you want to know how to pronounce podcast, oh, so for?
Oh, geez. Hold on a second.
Yes, that's right. Yeah.
That's how you do it. Yeah.
Kim, is anything going to get us back on track here?
Yeah. Well, the only thing I could suggest to help us is to
ask you what the hell went on this week? Did it? What did I
miss? I saw. Because we were on our break with with namespace
we're taking a little moment here for free for people to
start implementing some stuff. And what am I even doing?
Now? It's time for some hot namespace talk.
What's your location person?
Yeah. Hey, Jennifer, Dave, Jennifer said, said that the
category stuff was hot. And I was like, I saw that too. But
for real, though, like, I like the categories that we have. I
think they're I like the idea of non hierarchical categories.
Because you can in my example was, you know, like, climate,
news, climate, politics, right. You don't have to be dependent
on that. So then,
like climate sports?
Yeah. Yeah. And so it but then in this was set up, kind of
jokingly, but it's true. You could do role playing games role
playing sex. I mean, like,
yeah,
I mean, like these things, you don't necessarily make, mix and
match, you know, in ways that we might predict. So.
So how, how many do we have now? How many categories?
There's like, 111.
Yes, right. That's 117 or something? I saw a number. Yes.
I'm like that. So what's the process when another great one
comes along? Just we just add it.
Yeah. Just make sure
you stick it in.
Just attempt but we'll stick it in.
Yeah, we just say like a, does anybody else think that's a good
idea? Yeah. Okay. It's kind of
like a day. That's perfect. It's nothing wrong with that. I mean,
I'm sure there's some linguistic parameters that someone could
put around it. But maybe not. I mean, I mean, Bitcoin, for
instance, where would that fall under Finance? crypto,
we have a crypto tag. We don't but we need one. Yeah, seems
like it. There's not one in Apple podcasts unless somebody
wants to go make a website and beg Apple to
come over here. We'll stick it in.
Tell me how you want to go about it. Don't do that as your PR
Come over here.
podcasting. 2.0 Come over here. We'll stick it in.
God no.
This is this is it, man. This is our slogan. podcasting. 2.0 will
stick it in. I think that's it. Write that down? That's Oh,
yeah. did take notes. Take notes.
Is it podcasting? I just got started in 2.0. Comma. Stick it
in.
Now, I think,
man, I think I think maybe we should work on that. Maybe chat
chapter should be a bigger that should be in phase three.
But chapters. Yeah,
I mean, I'm not sorry. No. categories, categories yet
categories. I don't know. What do you think?
I like the I know I like the idea. Do people know when if
someone sets up a website like that? It's like, oh, man, I feel
bad for you. We just stuck it in for you. Same with NPR. By the
way, seasons, how are we on seasons? Is that all done? Yes.
No. who's supporting it on the on the buzzsprout? No doubt. No,
no, I
don't think anybody's will be MPR is the one that asked for
it. So they're going to be the first ones to do it. Probably.
But
one, Stacey, yeah, no, man, we put it
loose. We stuck it in for you.
We gave you what you want. Make it happen.
Just have one show. Tell your listeners, you can listen to it
with apps from new podcast. apps.com.
No, I think like, we, I don't know, we when we come back from
hiatus, or whatever on the on the namespace. Why don't we just
why don't we do cat categories?
Okay, so where are we on lightning? Because I, I think
I'm a little behind on that. Because I haven't seen this is
kind of the interesting. One of the interesting things of a free
open source software project like this. It I don't know what
people are doing. I look at the questions they're asking. Like,
yeah, maybe is someone's at this point or that point? Do you have
any any idea if anyone's having any success with the Ellen pay
integration?
I don't I know. Nope. I know, Martin's working on it. And
that's all I know about on the
market showed a couple of screenshots last week. I was
like, Oh, yeah.
Nice. Well, you know, we've been talking to Roy ever breeze to
getting them close. They're getting close.
Yeah, that's gonna be super interesting, because this will
be. So right now we have these different implementations. And
some have a dream about people working together. I know. It's
crazy. But so Sphinx, they had the whole infrastructure and
they added podcasting. Then we have a number of podcast apps,
web apps, or otherwise. We're extensions, etc. that are adding
it in. But they're really podcast app developers. And then
we have a wallet developers, this is a third category, even
though you could say Sphinx is is also a wallet. But breeze
presents themselves as a wallet. And they are integrating it with
podcasting. And that and so from what I've seen, and I think for
a you've seen, they are trying to do a proper podcast app, but
I have no idea. if they'll have chapters or transcripts. I mean,
to me, I'll bet you they come up pretty standard, just getting
the lightning stuff running, because they're doing the whole
node back end. I think they're working on a podcast or
solution.
Yeah, I think it's gonna be interesting to see what all
these things look like. Because we mean, they mean, you were
saying at the beginning, it was going to be much easier for a
wallet app to include podcasting than a podcasting.
Yeah, I'm kind of coming back from that. I don't think that
was correct.
I am too, as well. Now that I think Ellen, Ellen pay leveled
the playing field. Yeah,
I did. Definitely.
Because at the beginning, it was going to be too difficult. I
mean, riding a lightning compatible wallet app. I mean,
God, that's not easy. No.
Well, it's especially. I mean, there's all the stuff, you know
that, especially when you're talking about key sin, you know,
then you do have to have proper channels channel management. And
but but I like it, because it shows where the value is. And
oh, this is what we need to talk about the splits the 100%, the
fee thing on top, because I think we're getting to a very
good, a very good place where we need price discovery, you know,
what does it cost for, for a podcast app to to do this in
conjunction with lm pay? So what is how does lm pay make money?
How do you discover price on that? How do we do that with
breeze who are giving, you know, a full node, almost, I think a
full node setup with channels and liquidity and everything
kind of built in and a way to purchase BTC, from Fiat. So they
need to have some kind of fee structure to make to make it
work for them. And I think I think some of the discussion
that I saw about the splits and the fees was moving in a very
good direction. And I've kind of let some barriers down. I'm not
ashamed for us to say, Alright, it's gonna cost this much in a
fee to use this app. Yeah, and if you don't like it, you can
use another app, or you know, or set your value slider to zero,
or whatever. I think we need that when we shouldn't be
bashful. And if Bree says Oh shoot, we need 3% On top or
whatever it is, because they've got liquidity. I mean, when you
open a channel, you're locking up money. You're locking out
money for someone who wants to use it for free that
that's not gonna fly. And Roy's article about inbound liquidity
was outstanding. Yes, I
should add that in the show notes.
Yeah, yeah. Cuz then, like I never saw it from his from that
perspective before because it always seemed like an annoyance.
But when he related act, you're like, Oh, my God, this is really
the way the whole thing works. This is really the key to the
whole system is inbound liquidity.
Yeah, it's lightning economics, How I Learned to Stop Worrying
and Love inbound liquidity.
Yeah, great, great, long, long article, but great.
Putting it in the show notes is very, very good to read.
But, you know, I think I think you're right. And I think there
needs to be a market. price discovery market flexibility
when it comes to that. I mean, like, you know, if, I mean,
let's just say I'm an app developer, and I have a killer
podcast app. I mean, like, it's just, you know, it's, it's
awesome that you should be able to charge extra for it. Yeah,
man. 5%. Yeah. I mean, literally, I mean, it will pay
it
or have some other option. I mean, that that's all going to
come into play. Yeah. But yeah, the whole idea of free is over
is that that will not work. It's, there's no freemium model.
Well, I guess, technically, you could, but it's unnecessary. And
I've been living with with as a consumer and a, as a listener,
and as a podcaster. I'm delighted. I'm getting maybe two
bucks a day now. And so what is that? That's from swings people?
And, and who knows what else is do I mean, there's, there's some
people out there and he'll get pod station. And I probably
spend about
I don't know,
I, I have my value slider high. So I'm, I'm at 100 SATs a
minute, tell you I'm sitting at a couple bucks a day for for
each podcast that I listened to,
yeah, I spend probably a buck or a buck 50 a day in that. And I
think in to give that perspective. Before we started
this thing, I was spending zero. Yes, precisely,
I look at that number go, that's too, and we have almost nothing
in place. So I just in my head, I go up next time I look at it,
that's going to be times 10. Yeah, and the next time I look
is gonna be times 100.
So I think that a couple of things need to happen. And this
is going to help a few different players here. Number one, we
need to have, we need to have the custom record field in there
so that we can handle a couple of different scenarios that
people are facing for in reality,
we had we had a spec in start, or we discussed that I think
about how we provide information along with the payment. Yeah,
okay. Yeah. So yeah, start that. Yeah,
we get it, we need to do that. And the other part of that is,
we need to, I think we need to adjust the way the splits are
calculated. And I don't think it's going to necessarily break
anything, if I understand it, right. And so I think a few
people suggested going and going away from a 100%, split
breakdown, and splitting it by percentage, and just instead go
into, into the concept of shares. And so you just say, the
split each speech value recipient split does not is not
a percentage of 100, that needs to calculate back to 100.
Instead, it's just taken as, as a just an integer, just a number
that represents share of the total. And so, you know, it can,
the numbers can stay roughly the same as they are in percentages.
And it won't make much of a difference. But it gives you
more flexibility, so that you don't have to be constantly
adjusting calculations and making because people are going
to screw up people are gonna say, if somebody puts a value
block in with five people in it, they're gonna make a mistake,
and it's not going to add up to 100. And it just, it's too
rigid. And there needs to be flexibility there.
So you so if the payment, whatever the payment is, each
share is just the percentage of that payment. And we don't worry
about if it's 100% or not.
Yeah, right. You don't worry about if it all totals up to
100%.
Now, I agree. I think that's the way to go. Now the fee. I like
how does that work out?
Yes. So that just tells and we and we're already putting that
in the API returns. So that that just says so for us. If a
podcast app is using us to get the day information, it would
return the value block and then we would be in there as an extra
split. But you know, like If you're having to say this, this
is part of the issue of trying to try to adjust the 100%. And
all that stuff's too hard. So we go in there with with a one, our
split is one, which would represent 1%. But it but it's
got the typeface got the fee moniker in there that lets the
app know that we're not getting up or we're not getting a, a
share of the of the of the total, we're getting a
percentage off the top. And so that says, you know, we have,
you'll go ahead and go ahead and calculate all these splits,
that's fine, like you would normally do it. But before you
do that, anything that's listed as a fee, you take that out
first. Okay, and send those keys and payments, and then you and
then you do the splits. So that would apply for, for instance,
for like bus route, when we put you know, bus route into our
block, we would put them in as a fee.
Right, but then that that fee comes from the listener, in
addition to the payment and the splits.
It could go either way. I mean, you could go in addition to or
it could be, you know, taken out of the total. I don't know how I
don't know what the right answer is their
transparency and surfacing of this information is the key.
Yeah. And I think what I'm going to do to make that happen is I
think I'm going to go into the namespace repository and make a
value directory and just begin to build the documents for this
so that everything is explained. Right now. It's just sitting
there as a tag proposal. Right, right. And there's not enough
information. There needs to be more in there.
I know you're working on that. And I just want as a as a side.
I really like what Brian of London made for his his Boise
calling kind of because his share management tool for the
feed, which I guess the equivalent of podcaster
wallet.com.
Yeah, yeah,
that look nice. I think he has interesting ideas there.
Yeah, he says, He says, He says, he's, I'm a crappy program or
not. And No, he's not. And he's, he's got, he's doing all this
stuff. He's got great ideas. And may or may not, I think that his
the thing that he's seen, the stuff he's posting so far, looks
wonderful. Yeah.
And, and so you are working on, I guess, in tandem with
everybody else on podcaster wallet.com.
Yeah, and I've done a quite a bit on that this week. And we
got Graham overvoltage, I sent him a test, I created a test
feed for him last night to, to test their integration. So the
idea here is going to be that, when we get this working, is
that you'll have you'll go into podcaster wallet, and when you
claim your, your podcast, it'll come up and it'll give you three
options, create a Sphinx node, create a voltage node, or add
your own custom node. So if you have, if you're wanting to go,
if you're wanting to just live in Sphinx, you would go that
route, if you know, they're, they're still having some
struggles with node availability, but let's just say
in the future, when they get all that hammered out, that'll
that'll be an option for volt, the voltage option will be just
basically spin up, you overload
the node both spin up and give you channels and liquidity, or
is that not in the beginning?
Not sure yet, during testing, well, what
I want to do is, we should talk to Graham about it. So when you
spin up a node and you put BTC on it, autopilot will start to
open stuff up, and so you'll get outbound. But for inbound, if we
could just get a ping, I mean, part of the beauty of podcast
index as a community resource is we should be able to use some of
our some of our funds to open up liquidity to podcasters and
we'll give them good routing because the you know, our nodes
have been been around for a bit now and we've got some
throughput and we make at least 10 satoshis a day. I'm
forwarding
10 whole sets Wow. Yeah, sometimes that's a great idea
though. That's almost like us acting as almost like a loop for
the
Exactly, exactly. For podcasters
to come online. Yeah,
I mean, so that's why I was surprised because I've been
managing our channels with a Sphinx with with Paul for a
while now you know, it's like, okay, you know, I make sure
we've got enough liquidity to inbound from them and make sure
we've got stuff going back to them and in turn, I make sure
that you've got routing to your node i put out I mean, I've been
adding these these channels to everyone that I've helped bring
up online or that I know of everyone's online
so yeah, opened up one to john chichi and yeah,
yeah, so this it's that's just great architecture. That's just
really gonna help us a lot.
That would be suit that would be super cool if they could just
like send some bt it fire The nodes, send some BTC and then
ping us and have that channel open. And then in the last step
in that link is they will call back to our API with the new
node ID.
Slick. Well, we can we can do that all with
a macaroon in that Korea? Well, no, I mean, that part, that last
part, we had a call back, that stuff's that should already be
working where to get that?
Right. But I mean, open opening, we can get a ping from the
index. And you can you know, with a macaroon you can the your
systems there could open up a channel that we just just you're
just talking to lm D is just another API, he said with his
developer hat on.
No, I don't see why that wouldn't work at all. Yes. Yeah.
And it's just an Ellen sale, aka, man. scriptable.
Money, baby. Again,
I mean, yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's the stuff right
there.
Right. Hey, speaking of before we start spending this money on
opening channels. Let's thank some people who, who sent us
some. Yeah, yeah, because this is channel money. Channel money
is really jam on money isn't a value for value podcast, the
whole project is value for value. The way it works is you
support the project if you get any value out of it. That could
be from podcast index.org from podcast, index dot social. From
this podcast from the whole movement, your listener, you're
a developer, you're someone who cares you'd like freedom, you
want to support it all We asked you to give us your time, your
talent, your treasure, either one or all three, that everyone
who is working on this has the first two covered and a lot of
them bring come in on the third. And we have a big red Donate
button that podcast index.org can also send us lightning
payments. If you do send a lightning payment please put a
memo in it because I got 20,000 SATs. I think yesterday and I
don't know who it came from. So I want to thank whoever sent
that you know, it's like 10 bucks these days. Yeah, more
than that. And, and it was thanks to these people.
Let's see make sure this is not only make sure it's not
anonymous and don't think it is no don't say anything. Okay,
this is a one time donation. $66.33 from Scott Yo, Jalbert. A
great episode interviewing David with hyper catcher. I just
imported my opml from Marco's app. I'm going to try it out
nice. can really see it can really start to see things
coming together with podcast index on many fronts, and it's
exciting to see it happen. Here's a little boost. Thanks. A
nice boost.
Thank you. And by the way, if you're listening right now crank
up the value sliders boost boost boost.
Let's see what we get. Oh, this one just came in right before
the show. Let's see 40 $46.22 this is from see Mike. Okay.
All right. See, Mike. I know see Mike.
Yeah, he says long overdue value for value. I really wish I could
help out more but my human resources and wife demand
attention to he has not he has nine kids. Holy crap.
And five of them born during the course of him listening to the
show
that makes you feel old and
he's his tears. His wife is is some kind of Superwoman man.
Is he Catholic?
I don't know. I
know the Catholic thing having tons of kids.
Sure. Could be just likes having kids. I like the practicing part
a lot. Yeah.
See, no special meaning in the number just what's left on this
debit card. Perfect.
I love it's great way to get rid of that extra extra money you
got laying around. Thank you.
He says go podcast.
By the way, Eric.
Eric is working on this whole back end system for producers.
Now he's doing it for no agenda, but it'll be for us as well. And
I think I think it's ethics is a great product. We have a
donation page, you go in and you fill out some basic information,
whatever you want it to be, of course, but just to make it
simple, so we can track stuff. And he's also going to do
lightning and BTC payment options. It's going to be really
cool. This is going to be great. Great for podcasters. I see
total product, their total product. Another little piece
you can stick in your value block.
Yeah, just stick it in.
We'll stick it in for you.
That's the mantra that says sir
Pete gave us $33.33 from
the Netherlands or pate. Is that pate? Eight? Yep, PDT. Yeah.
Okay. Hi, David Adams sir. Page snakes here. Is that that's a
snake. Yes. You got it.
You got it. Okay.
I'm basically Dutch here's, here's some cash, no blankets,
or water. Just a short thought triggered by your discussion
with David Norman. I believe my comments on podcasts and video
timelines are more for me than anybody else. It's at this
moment in my public notetaking for my inner circle to interact
with. So if I would be a consultant, it would be my notes
for the producer, if I was a teacher is the collection of my
media of the media my students should listen to. And the reason
is cetera, basically publishing my bookmarks on my media life to
others, becoming a producer in my own right. That has been my
dream for podcasting and books, and specifically presentations
on events making the note Ah, this is important for these
reasons. We, I we need you to re Listen to this. Then David
mentioned no Tater. Yes. Brilliant. Here's some value for
value. Thank you, Sophie. So yeah, that that no Tater thing.
That's a good
idea. It's, it's, it's the dream man being able to manipulate or
create content on the device that you use to consume it.
Yeah. Which is why phones are pretty cool to think about it.
Let's see who we got. Paul Saltzman
another old timer. See, you know, Paul,
he says, greetings. I'm thrilled to see this progress, and
unfortunately can't provide any digital contribution. So take my
monthly fee out money.
All right. We'd love it.
Yep, you got a $22.22 subscription each month, which
is super help. Thank you very much. That's all. Yeah, and
that's gonna help this month immediately, because I just
finished this stupid annoying database migration. And head
that's gonna cost us a little about probably about 20 bucks
extra,
I was just thinking about as this starts to build out, you
know, people who have 20 bucks literally 20 bucks as the as the
lightning network and and the pieces that are connected to it
grows, there's a very distinct possibility people will be able
to provide liquidity with opening channels and routing for
podcasters. And for listeners, we're gonna need capacity and
it's not that my Raspberry Pi is not going to handle it. You
know, we got you know, we've got a nice beefed up node over there
at voltage, but people could put their 20 bucks into a channel
and just by providing liquidity and routing on the network and
also make money off of the whole system.
Okay, I've got an I've got an idea around this that we do not
have time for it today. But Nick, either next week. Well, we
got a guest next week. Okay, got. We got galera man. Next
week.
Oh, nice. Yeah, he's fun.
So maybe the week after I want to talk about this because it's
a it's a whole discussion.
Well, you're gonna tease me anymore.
No, okay. No, this is cuz you got to earn it. This $10 for CC.
So Morgan, no note from Cecil. Shame. I like reading.
Thank you. So thank you very much. One time donation from
Satan.
See, we got Shawn desantis also gave us $10. Again, no, no, just
a single donation. Yeah, another
another name I recognize for sure.
Yeah. And let's see, there's no note on this one. Chris Calvin
gave us a $5 a month subscription, which is great.
Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, thank
you, Chris. And that's it. That's this great group man. But
we appreciate the value
that you have placed on on what's happening here. And
that's the beauty of it. Certainly when it comes to
creative work, whether it's you know, podcasts or video or
whether it's development in my mind, it's all art and you can
only value that once you have it. And you go look up the
definition of value it is truly only to be determined by the
holder of the asset you determine the value so we hold
nothing but yeah, now we got five bucks.
Play play I said two I forgot what that is. I so
two
I can truly just eat whatever I want. Oh
it's not what I thought it was. I
thought it was I don't know what's what's going on down
there in Alabama.
So five might be okay then let's
go five.
Oh, my God. That was really stressful. I couldn't
have such a great show. Yeah, I'm glad you're sending me the
most important clips from it. Really learning about this
podcast?
Maybe Maybe not important. Definitely the most entertaining
Wow, man. Okay, all over the map today. But yeah, I'm
sorry about that. No, no, I
kind of like it. You know, I didn't have much of an update
and I think we still covered a lot of ground. I'm very excited
to see what happens in the next in the next couple of weeks is
more stuff comes online, but I'm definitely I'm gonna see if we
can get set up with buzzsprout because I just Okay, let's just
do it for this show, just to start and see how we can work
out some of the cross tool issues if necessary at all, you
know, or if there's something I, you know, I don't know, I
haven't even looked into how it all completely works over there.
But it just seems like, you know, the guys who are who are
out front is buzzsprout by a long long, long lead not in
support but in the tool part. And that's very exciting to me.
And and and, you know, this podcast should have as much in
there as possible created with tools that are available.
Yes, bother. It's bothering me too, because I mean, I want the
person tag in there for sure. I just got that put into the into
the index aggregators. This week, so that's we're consuming
the person tag now. It looks
cool. I mean, I'm seeing some of the play outs we got just looks
cool.
Immediately we can we can start doing really nice stuff with
that like, trend in a trending person's hot people
Hot or Not? Hot. Yeah, swipe right. Dave Jones again, swipe
left,
counter podcast index. Stick it in.
All right, Dave.
What's you doing this weekend? You need anything else for the
next couple of days? Are we good on what we got to do?
No, I got I got I got to do list which is that's on the to do
list and coffee.
Which is the one thing that we ran out of and luckily we've got
great neighbors has no good run out of coffee in any kind of
crisis situation.
Are you bartering coffee for hot showers?
No. Well, interestingly, the neighbor who well I went out
there and I said, Hey, neighbor, you want to trade some weed for
some coffee? And he said, you know, we said no, I need coffee.
Wait, where do you get this in reverse?
He said you got a weed you need weed? No man he coffees like so
it was the three of us standing out there shoveling the driveway
with the wrong shovels you know with like dirt shovels and and
among guys, I got five five pounds of beans and everything
and so they were grinding it in the in the car on the 110 with a
little mini grinder.
It's like wampum
was total wampum but then his his hot water heater went out it
I mean, we all have the same here which is the tankless
electric and yeah, but his pipes cracked at the at the heat
exchange and there's no plumber. There's nothing
that you gotta just replace them. You gotta replace
it. And so I said, Hey, man, you know, come on over for first
shower, whatever you guys want. And my other neighbor. Now
something something's broke over at his house, but he does have
water and he was joking around you were an hour on text groups.
He's like 25 cents a shower. I'm like fuck it. five cents and we
take Bitcoin.
Yeah, that's 100 SATs a minute but
just just scan the QR code on your way into the bathroom
you'll be fine.
If you have like some kind of Frou Frou fancy soap like lad
lavender cannonvale Yeah.
All right. Day Thanks, man. Have yourself a great weekend and we
will talk again next week for the board meeting of podcasting
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