Podcasting 2.0 for February 27th, 2026, episode
251, Pod Snuggle.
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This is the board meeting.
We are in fact the only boardroom that
brought home the gold for our country.
I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of
the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the
man who could clone your git faster than
you can today, Levitating Flapjacks.
Say hello to my friend on the other
end, the one, the only, the Poxy, it's
Mr. Dane Jones.
Hey, don't go being critical of the Daney's
Menu podcast.
That's top-notch material.
Every single Friday, I'm like, I gotta have
all these opening things, gotta have what about
the boardroom, and then what is Dave doing?
And I see that you're cloning gits and
you're talking about Levitating Flapjacks.
So there's my perfect opening.
It's like, what more do I need, man?
It's perfect.
The AI slop is just out of control,
out of control.
Well, I gotta tell you, I've been very
happy with my AI slop production machine.
Well, that's not slop.
Well, then we have to define slop now,
don't we?
Those are tools.
What is slop exactly?
This actually needs to be defined.
What is slop?
If you like something and it's usable, is
it slop?
Yeah, there's a question, huh?
There's a question.
Well, here, I'll give you an example.
Okay, slop is the same as, defining slop
is like defining what a weed is.
A weed is just a plant that's in
a place you don't want it.
Yeah, yeah, I guess that's true because to
some people it's just a weed, to others
it's a smokable treat.
I don't mean weed weed.
I mean, I mean the genetic, a weed.
Oh, I'm sorry.
A weed, not the weed.
Yes, yes, not the magic plant.
So, I mean, I don't want to do
too much about vibe coding because we have
a lot of real podcasting stuff to discuss,
but this actually, as I was making this
for our live station customers, this tool and
I've learned a lot about guardrails in LLMs.
Man, it's no wonder Anthropic doesn't want the
war department to use any of their models
for autonomous weapons.
And it's not some morality thing since when
has Silicon Valley had some morality issue?
Oh, of course not.
No, it's because these things hallucinate all the
time, all the time.
And you have to put so many guardrails
around it so that it at least catches
itself.
I'm sure these guys like, hey, our stuff's
not good enough for autonomous weapons.
You do not want to be using it.
It can go crazy at the drop of
a hat.
You know what the worst model is?
Grok.
The XAI models, they lie, they cheat, they
show you stuff that isn't true.
Well, that's just like, I mean, it's like
Twitter.
It just follows the owner.
Exactly.
That's what the owner does.
Exactly.
So I have this tool and as I
built this tool, I'm like, man, wouldn't it
be great to have a podcast app that
gives you a little promo of the podcast
that you follow?
And not that I built it for that.
I built this to simply have a prompt
that says, make a promo for the Podcasting
2.0 podcast.
Well, let me see what the exact prompt
was.
Can you demonstrate this in real time?
Yeah, well, so I'll play one that I
made and then we can do a random
one.
So make a promo for the Podcasting 2
.0 podcast with an approximately 30 second clip
with a puff sound effects between all elements.
Use the chic funk music bed, make the
text relevant to the clip.
In the intro, say this, this week in
the Podcasting 2.0 boardroom followed by the
context you found.
Remember to end by telling people the Podcasting
2.0 podcast is on Hello Fred, live
every Friday with a new episode in the
Godcaster app and use Todd's voice.
So that's the prompt.
And you can actually save this as a
template.
And so this was the first try and
this is what it gave me.
Wait, what?
Okay.
I was pretty impressed by that.
From poop apps to the future of podcasting.
I mean, that was impressive.
You gotta admit, was that impressive or what?
That was very impressive.
You showed me this the other day on
a different show that you're working on.
And I was pretty blown away about what
it pulled out of there.
I mean, couldn't that go directly into the
soundbite tag?
It could go into, I mean, you could
do it as a creator, but why wouldn't,
I mean, so I'll just give you the
sequence of this.
So I'm using a Gemini 2.5 fast,
I think, just for the prompting stuff.
So it uses the index API, finds the
podcast.
If it's confused, if there's a lot, it
will ask me, but it usually finds the
one that needs.
Then it downloads the episode.
On device, it uses Whisper to get the
first 20 minutes of audio.
Then it sends that back into Gemini 2
.5 Pro because now you're sending a lot
of stuff and you want it to kind
of come up with some good context.
It brings that back.
It has an entire time-coded transcript.
It then fires up FFmpeg to bring in
all the elements, does the noise ducting, all
of that.
And then if you don't like it, you
can say, well, show me the transcript.
You say, okay, I want you to add
this and cut it off after this word,
and it remixes it and it does it.
And this is amazing.
I was just thinking- How much does
it cost for each one of these?
It's very cheap, it's very cheap.
I mean, I've been using this for days
very intensely and I'd say maybe two bucks
that I've spent on tokens.
Almost, yeah, it's almost nothing.
Now, 11 Labs, I'm afraid to look over
there.
Don't look at that bill.
Don't look at 11 Labs.
I mean, I have like a 199 subscription
because I'm doing a lot of stuff with
this.
But you can also adjust the voice, make
it faster, more exciting, slow it down, et
cetera.
Let's just try something in real time.
My point that I'm bringing up here is
not just because, holy crap, look what I
made.
But I see an opportunity for, maybe it's
for a premium app, but it would be
pretty cool to just fire up my podcast
app and it gives me like a one,
like there's a file sitting right there, play
this.
And it says, hey, here's what's happening on
this week in Bitcoin.
Is it what's going on with the pod
news?
You know, want me to make a playlist?
I mean, there's a million things that could
be done.
It just felt like, hey, that's something that
you could do as a premium podcast listening
device.
Well, yeah, no, I think the remixing, being
able to remix the content is sort of
like what we were talking about a few
weeks ago.
It's, I mean, it's in the ballpark where
I was bringing up the idea that you
could bring in extra, sort of like amendments
into the podcast that you're listening to, like
chapters where there wasn't any, but then you
could also remix stuff into like, you could
just tell the podcast app to do a
bunch of stuff to this particular episode you're
listening to.
I mean, why not?
So how about this?
Make a promo for the pod news weekly
review podcast, 30 second clip, Hoffsman used the
chic funk music, but say this, this week
on the pod news weekly review followed by
the context you found, remember to end by
telling people the pod news weekly podcast, weekly
review podcast, I should say.
Is it weekly review?
Yes.
Is on, I'm just going to make it
on Hello Fred.
Review.
Get your weekly dose of power.
Hold on.
By telling people to get their weekly dose
of power on the, okay.
And I'm going to ask you to use
a female voice.
All right, let's see.
Oh yeah, that's, that's, yeah, just to change
it up.
Okay, so there it goes.
It's thinking.
So we have, you were, you were, is
it, is it, it says it can't find
pod news weekly review.
Isn't that what it's called?
That's what it's called, right?
Yeah.
Is pod news one word?
Unless I'm crazy.
Pod news weekly review.
Is it two words, pod news?
Pod news weekly review.
That's what it's called.
Pod news weekly review.
Let's see.
See if it finds it.
Yeah, that's, let's see.
Let's see.
Hold on a second.
Podcast index ID one, three, three, three.
No, I'm not going to do that.
I'm not going to do that.
That's no good.
Hold on a second.
Let me just, let me try this again.
Hold on one second.
Okay, let me put this in.
I'm just refreshing the page.
Who knows how, this is the problem, of
course.
It's the winner of the best podcasting podcast
2025 ear worthy award.
Oh my goodness.
All right, let me try it again.
I didn't even know that.
If this fails, we'll move on.
Demo fail.
Yeah, this is the USB printers of Windows
98 as well.
Let's see.
Okay.
Yeah, I think this is going to fail.
But it's fine.
Let's leave.
Where does that fail out cure?
Actually, what is funny enough, what it's failing
at now is it can't find the music
bed or the sound effects.
Oh, you have internet?
Everything's gone wonky.
I knew I shouldn't have done this.
I baited you into it.
I baited you into a live demo.
That's my fault.
Oh, man, this sucks.
Every time.
Hold on, every time.
Hold on, find the puff sound effects.
Okay, because it can find this stuff.
I mean, when you showed me the other
day, it was smooth as butter.
I mean, it just went right through, no
problems.
Yeah, well, I've been working on it.
Let me just say, you suck.
All right, you suck.
I understand you're frustrated.
Okay.
It did this perfectly.
And then also, of course, this demo failed.
Anyway, we'll move on.
I'll do a better demo next time.
Feel bad about this though.
You were, we didn't have a show last
week because you were at NRB.
Yes.
Other than hanging out with Daniel J.
Lewis, what would you say you took away
from that, generally speaking?
I mean, I know, I'm trying to figure
out how to ask this question.
How would you say that the radio industry
is holding up in 2026, according to what
you witnessed at NRB?
And the reason I'm asking it in that
way is because we got this big story
from James, I think this morning.
Yes, yes.
The podcast listening being bigger than radio.
Yes.
Well, first of all, NRB stands for National
Religious Broadcasters.
Broadcasters Conference, I guess.
And so the business model of most faith
-based radio stations is pretty much value for
value, with a caveat, with a caveat.
Oh, hold on, it just did it.
All right, yes, I don't know.
Brain fry, okay, it's generating.
With the caveat that a lot of these
ministries who have programs focus on the family,
you know, living on the edge.
I mean, there's tons of them.
Even ministries that have dead pastors who, you
know, they're just using archives.
They buy airtime on many of these stations.
Some of it's $100 a day.
You know, it can be very different.
So that's kind of been the business model.
And for the past 20 years, pretty much,
that model has been slowly eroding for a
number of reasons.
One is like, you know, it was always
kind of, well, you know, people donated to
your ministry through your website.
You know, you asked them on the phone.
They filled out a form.
So we kind of know it came from
us.
So we're still relevant as your radio station.
But now that for, you know, 10, 20
years, these ministry programs have been, at the
end of every program, say, listen to us
wherever you get your podcasts.
That is, of course, completely eroded the whole
reason for radio.
And the station just let that go, which
is, you know, I don't think they really
knew what to do, and this is part
of the problem we saw to help solve
that, to bring them into the digital realm.
So I did a talk, and Daniel J.
Lewis was there, Dave Jackson was there.
It's always nice to have the shills in
the front, you know, nodding their head and
laughing at every joke.
Thank you, brothers, I love you so much.
I love you so much.
Sometimes these can be tough rooms.
But I said it right up there.
I mean, you know, the elephant in the
room here in this entire convention is, you're
riding your listeners into heaven.
And we all know it, but we all
pretend it's not happening.
And- And what do you mean specifically
by that?
That I know, but other people may not.
The average age of a listener to a
faith-based radio station is, I think, 80
years old.
And they have- Is that the average?
Yeah, I think so, yeah.
That's- Well, even, I mean, come on,
even cable news is 67.
You know, it's like, it's an older demographic.
And people aren't listening to radio.
They listen to streams.
They're not listening to programs.
They listen to podcasts.
And I said, but what an opportunity.
You know, your listeners have phones.
You know, they have a smartphone.
They can hit an app, and they need
to be passing this on to their kids
and their grandkids and showing them what they
can get.
And a lot of these stations get it.
But the most beautiful moment, I would say,
is we had a customer.
This guy has nine transmitters he's bought up
over the years in the Massachusetts area.
He said, I'm right, I'm in pagan heartland,
man.
Okay, gotcha.
And he had just purchased a 10th frequency.
And so we're just having a catch up.
He says, before we start with this, I
want to ask you a question.
Adam, you specifically, you know this stuff.
Do you think that the people are going
to move from listening to the radio to
digital and podcasts?
And he was the only person that asked
it.
So there's this huge, I don't know if
it's just denial.
I think a lot of people are like,
I'm just going to ride this out.
You see a lot of these station owners,
they're in their late 70s.
They've got a younger, quote unquote, younger station
manager, maybe 50s, maybe late 40s, a couple.
So it's like a mental block that they
have, a total mental block for this transition.
And that's what that article was.
I have it here.
Podcasts lead AM, FM and spoken word listening,
marking a first.
And that's from Edison Research.
25% of all daily time spent in
spoken word audio platforms played an important part
in how 13 plus spend, I guess that's
age, spend their day with audio accounting for
25% of all daily time spent with
audio.
And so we're at this convergence point where
podcasts have gone to 40% of share
of ear and radio, AM and FM is
now 39%.
So here we are.
Oh, by the way, the promo has been
created.
Let's see what it did.
Ah!
All right.
Oh, that's boring.
So I could ask to remix it.
I could, you know, have a different spot,
but it still did that.
That's amazing.
It's just that Sam and James are boring.
So that's it.
That's not, and that's not the AI's fault.
So this is an incredibly big moment.
This is a great piece of research.
Edison is respected.
And I hope this sends people scurrying.
It should.
I mean, there's still this, certainly for faith
-based radio, there's a huge opportunity.
Pass it on down, people.
Let's move.
But in general, yeah.
I mean, I think it's the end is
obvious if you don't transition and make yourself
and rebrand as a stream and you're digital
and you got podcasts and, you know, and
you're doing local content.
That's the only reason for radio stations.
You know, that was the whole point.
It's my local station.
I hear what's going on locally.
You know, this is the whole idea behind
Hello Fred, Hello Franklin, you know, it's like
the local, local, local stuff.
And they can do it now with local,
local podcasts, hyper-local podcasting.
Otherwise you're just a bad podcast destination.
I think that there has been a lot
of rumblings, just nothing concrete.
But talk just occasionally that you, that I
pick up in different articles and that kind
of thing about the future and radio FM,
AM FM being removed from the car altogether.
I mean, a lot of EVs have already
done that.
Well, they have to because AM is unlistenable
in an EV.
Because of the interference.
Yeah, you just get static interference, sure.
Yeah, and so- And so if I
can, just for one second, the NRB spends
an inordinate amount of time, energy, focus, and
money on lobbying Congress to save AM radio,
you know, get a clue.
Yeah, I don't- And they have all
these reasons, you know, like, well, in an
emergency, hey, I've had several emergencies.
I did not go to my AM radio.
FM radio worked just fine.
But you know what?
All I heard was, this is fresh air
with Terry Gross.
They didn't even have anyone at the station.
Yeah.
But the digital, the radio only exists in
the car.
I mean, it's the only place that even
exists anymore.
And if it slowly erodes out of the
car, it doesn't matter if you have a
transmitter or not, you're transmitting to nobody.
And- Exactly.
You have to, it just, it's not really
even, to me, it's not even so much
a demographic shift anymore as it's just eventually,
more and more car manufacturers are just gonna
not see it as necessary.
And it'll just slowly erode from everybody's life,
even more so than it already is.
The thing that I was hit by is
that the digital, things shifting from radio to
digital, meaning podcasting and streaming and that kind
of thing, that, if what we heard from
different people is that they really want all
of their content, meaning the station content to
be in an app.
Yeah.
In the station's own app.
Yes.
That sort of siloing does not work well.
You have to be available everywhere.
That's what makes that phrase, everywhere you get
your podcast so powerful is because collectively you
can see podcasting as one giant radio receiver.
It doesn't matter what app you're in, you
can listen to PodNews Weekly Review in 47
different apps.
And this is exactly what I was almost
preaching about a couple of years back with
the Rachel Maddow app.
You know, if you have a choice of
app, then get something that fits your personality,
your profile that is, or adapts to your
personality, your profile.
And we basically ate our own dog food
with the Godcaster app.
That's exactly what we did.
Yeah.
I remember, do you remember back in the
early days?
I guess maybe this was late nineties, I
guess early 2000s, digital media streaming was really
brand new.
And I remember all these different radio shows
had their own app.
So like, no, it wasn't even an app.
It was like, you would go to their
website or you would download like their desktop
program, but you had like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn
Beck, just naming these ones that I heard
on the radio.
They would announce it on the radio.
Then you could like go and get it
on their website.
And they had these, everything was, what I'm
trying to say is like everything was siloed
into a particular piece of software for that
content.
And like you're talking about with the Rachel
Maddow app, the problem is you've got this
content you want to listen to, but you
also have a particular style of app that
fits you best.
And you trying to find the convergence of
that is impossible if you silo only, you
silo your content into only this one app.
And it's the only thing that can carry
it.
Also what you're doing, if you're a radio
station and you carry a popular program, that
program is going to be available in lots
of different places.
This is my point.
Radio stations need to get back to their
roots of bringing local programming.
What's happening and with podcasting, you can have
everybody spin up a podcast feed, but we've
gotten into this very strange mindset collectively that
a podcast means, first of all, I got
to be sitting at a desk with headphones
on.
It's got to be video.
It's got to be on YouTube.
I got to be like Joe Rogan.
I got to get lots of likes and
views.
No.
So whenever I talk about hyper-local podcasting,
I get hundreds of emails of people saying,
I never thought of it that way.
I could actually do something about my school
board, but that would be great.
Yes.
And there's no money in it for you.
And you're going to do it as a
side gig just because you're doing it for
your community.
Maybe there's some local advertising that may be
possible, but that's not the reason to be
doing it.
And when you give people that framing, then
their eyes go wide open.
And that is what radio stations need to
do because now they're just literally transmitters rebroadcasting
national programming.
Maybe they have local news or local weather
or local traffic, which is also very valid,
but you got to have more.
Yeah, I agree.
The problem is Christian radio and just religious
radio in general is catching up to something
that's way, way already down the road.
I don't think it's exclusive to them.
This is universal.
Really?
Oh yeah.
Just radio in general, TV, radio and broadcast.
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
Hey, I asked it to remix the promo
with our comments, which was use a different
context to make the voice more excited.
You want to hear it?
Sure.
Well, fail on the excitement part.
This narrator is terrible.
Well, I chose a female voice.
Not this bit.
Well, it took the instructions the wrong way.
We get, that's better, but we got work
to do.
Hey, let's just talk about this Apple video
thing for a second, because I've gone back
and forth and on one hand, I'm like,
so I'll give you the conclusion here, which
is, is it a curse or it is
a blessing?
Because on one hand, the Apple is going
to present video in their podcast app.
On the other hand, they've completely broken, removed
everything about RSS, which very few people seem
to be complaining about.
I'm in the super secret WhatsApp chat group.
I'm like, this is interesting.
No one is saying, what are they doing?
How come they didn't follow any spec, no
alternate enclosure, none of this stuff.
And now they want to get into the
ad business.
What is going on?
So that's kind of one way that I
look at.
And then I look at it another way
and go, maybe this is the most genius
thing they could have done.
Because this video thing is really something different
from podcasting, in my personal opinion.
And so when they remove it from the
connection to the feed and the entire infrastructure
that's been built up around it, maybe they're
doing this to keep podcasting as it is
pure.
What are your thoughts?
Let's dive in.
Do you want to do a deep dive?
Let's do a deep dive.
I'll just put my card on the table
first.
You only have one, you should have five.
You should have five cards.
I only have one at the moment.
Ace of spades up his sleeve, ladies and
gentlemen.
I think that Apple will absolutely 100%
support the alternate enclosure tag.
Hmm, it's at some point in the future.
I don't know, you know, can't say if
it'll be very quick.
Could it be just silently, it may just
silently exist alongside this thing that they're doing.
I don't know, but this is not just
hoping and wishing.
I really, I'm hesitant to say that I
know this for a fact, but I just,
I have a strong belief that this is
what they're going to do.
And that's actually based on information and not
just hoping and wishing.
I know that, I just feel that-
Wait a minute, are you not under NDA?
Everyone else is.
No, absolutely not.
I just, they're just going to do it.
I just know that they are.
And what form that takes is anybody's guess.
But I think that at some, let me
try to be even more clear than I'm
being not clear enough, maybe.
What I'm saying is either with the next
release or at some point later on, they
will open up the Apple Podcasts app to
just pass the alternate enclosure with an HLS
stream through to everyone and not have to
do this big partner thing.
What?
Okay, so this is the other part that
kind of bugs me.
And I know it's beta, or some would
say beta.
And it's new territory.
I'm not quite sure why they needed to
be in the ad part portion of it.
I don't exactly understand why, and maybe I'm
just missing that.
I completely understand seeing the news about Spotify's
top charts for video, including porn, that maybe
we have to now hire more people to
scan this stuff.
What are people actually putting up there?
I can see that being something Apple would
be very careful about.
But the fact that app builders don't really
know what they're doing.
I mean, yeah, you can focus on your
four launch partners, hosting partners, but the whole
point of RSS is it's open and everybody
can play.
And so it feels like, ah, you can't
participate, you stupid apps.
It just feels icky to me.
I don't like that.
And no one complains about this.
Well, I'm a hosting partner.
I signed my NDA, bada, bada, bada.
Okay, but how about the app guys?
You're just cutting them out?
Like, this is the best thing since sliced
bread and Apple is so awesome?
No.
Well, it makes no, we'll have to see
how it plays out.
But from a hosting company standpoint, it really
doesn't make any sense to go to all
the trouble to encode all of this video
into HLS and then not also just stick
it into the RSS feed.
Because you already have it.
So we'll have to wait and see what
they actually do.
But if iHeart app and all the, and
these other apps are saying, well, we are
going to support HLS through the alternate enclosure
tag, then you already have an incentive to
go ahead and put it in there.
I feel, you know, Apple's methodology here to
me feels very consistent.
This is what their MO has been over
the last few years.
Yeah, deliver a super experience for their user.
For their user, but also, how do I
describe this?
They're trying to have a perfect experience for
their user first, but also support the open
thing.
Right, like what they did with transcripts.
Yeah, they're like, we're going to ingest the
alternate, they're going to ingest the transcript, but
we're also going to auto-create the transcript.
They're doing this sort of like hybrid strategy
where they're hyper-focused on making their thing
work perfectly, but they're also going to support
this other, they're going to acknowledge the open
way of doing it and make sure that
that doesn't fail, that they're still playing by
what they see the open source community doing.
And I think that is what is going
to happen here.
I think that the HLS thing is such
a, and I've got a little bit more
thoughts about this because we want to talk
about PodPing, right?
Well, we want to talk about a lot
of things, but clearly Ted Hossman and you
had a conversation you can't tell us about,
I appreciate it.
No, that's not, absolutely not.
I've had zero, no.
I've had zero conversation with Ted about any
of this stuff.
I'm just messing with you and with Ted,
obviously.
So I feel like this is now their
MO, so we can see what the pattern
is and that sets an expectation for the
way this is going to play out.
So that's really good then.
The only part I'm still confused about is
why do they want to play in the
ad part?
I just don't get it.
Yeah, I don't.
It doesn't matter to me, but it just
seems strange.
That was the strangest part to me too.
And the only thing I can come up
with is that they know that they have
a huge audience and they're giving access to
that audience and they want to monetize it.
Okay.
I mean, Apple Podcasts is a large audience
that could be addressed.
You could address a humongous audience of millions
of people within, boom, just like that by
flipping this switch on.
And to me, it seems like they consider
that to be very valuable and they just
want to- Kind of a first though,
kind of a first because they've always had
a huge valuable audience, but this is a
first that they're doing that with and they're
doing it with video.
Does that mean audio's to come?
To me, that's just being kind of glossed
over, like, okay.
Maybe a second, not a first, because I
mean, they already did it with subscriptions.
So they are in the charging for content
through the Apple- Yeah, but there's actual
infrastructure there.
Payments, they're doing that.
They're doing the storage, special whoopie doopie stuff.
But okay, I feel better.
And first of all, I wasn't even feeling
bad about it at all.
I'm still rather dubious as to what the
success will be because I remember the launch
of podcasting in Apple and this were the
days when it was the Rock and Roll
Geek Show with Michael Butler, it was Don
and Drew Show, it was Callie Lewis, it
was Daily Source Code, it was the Gilmore
Gang.
And then they launch and right there on
the front page of iTunes, iTunes that you
use to sync up your iPod was NPR,
PBS, BBC.
Even though everything was findable, they really went
mainstream.
And I predict they will probably do that
again.
And it will be your typical shows that
get all of the front-facing airtime promotion.
And from their perspective, rightly so.
Watch the BBC in Apple Podcasts, I can
understand that.
But we'll see, we'll see.
I think the larger goal from our perspective
is that the alternate enclosure would be backed
up with live support.
Yes, live support.
This is what I don't understand.
Apple should be so supporting live, specifically for
these radio stations.
They could endear every single radio station overnight.
Overnight!
And everything's written, it works, it's proven, it's
all there, it's good to go.
I know they got a team and they
have to make priorities, but wow, what a
huge market opportunity for them.
Here's a visionary sort of scenario, like just
thinking into the future.
Thinking into the future with Dave Jones.
He's going into the future.
You can imagine a scenario where Apple Podcasts,
and I think I've described this somewhere before,
you can imagine a scenario where Apple Podcasts
will alert you when the Apple keynote goes
live.
Exactly.
You tap on the thing, boom, you're watching
the latest Apple event keynote.
Yes.
And in order to do this, though, you
need multiple parts.
You need pod ping.
You need HLS video, which they now have,
or they will shortly, and you need live
notifications.
Pod ping.
So you need a couple of things.
Now, you need a couple of things, and
that, so the HLS is the heavy lift.
The pod ping notification is the easier part.
But we, this prompted, this whole thing prompted
me to take some action on a thing
that Alex and I had been, a concept
that we had been bouncing around for a
while when it comes to pod ping.
So pod ping, what I did this week,
and I need to find the post.
You find the post.
What I did this week with Dave Jones.
Let's dive in.
Where is he?
He's right here.
Dive, dive, dive.
Is that Todd or who is?
No, that's me.
Dave with his deep thoughts on pod ping.
Let's see, where's the, where's the post?
Oh, here it is.
Okay, I got it, I got it.
All right, so copy link.
There we go.
And so this will tell you how to
join the party.
Um, this is, so I, what I did
was I, I cloned the podping.cloud repo.
So podping.
Let's do a refresher here real quick.
If we, if we may.
Um, podping.cloud is how the world pretty
much interacts with podping.
Uh, podping being the notification system.
Is that a single, let's just get it
all down.
Is that a single server living somewhere?
It's five servers.
Okay.
Uh, all load balanced.
Who's running those?
Me.
Yeah.
It's good.
Uh, so yeah, they've been running for years
now with, I mean, virtually zero downtime.
Uh, I think we may have had a
few minutes of downtime once.
Yeah.
But the, so those, there are five geographically
separated servers that are running the podping.cloud
software.
And all this does is it allows you
to send a notification that a, your, that
a pod, that a RSS feed has, has
changed in some way, also you can send
a reason code with it, like update or
live or live ended.
So you can, there's a few notification options.
Those, what podping.cloud does is it accepts
the, the, the URL, the feed URL, and
the reason code, and then posts that notification
to the Hive blockchain.
So that's the way this has always worked.
The back, the backing of this thing is
the Hive blockchain.
Um, and that's, that's where these things ultimately
end up so that what you, so that
if you're quote unquote, watching or listening to
podping, watching for these updates to come through,
what you're watching is the Hive blockchain blocks
being created in real time.
And you're just picking up the feed URLs
out of those, out of this block.
With the idea that you can always walk
back up the chain and find something in
all perpetuity.
Correct.
And that, yes, exactly.
That, that was one of the technical goals
of the project is that you would not
have to have your, a server watching in
real time all the time, like you do
with WebSub, that, or RSS.cloud, you wouldn't
have to have a server running all the
time that was watching.
You could just periodically pull this thing, you
know, with a script on your desktop, whatever,
you know, and, and, and get these, get
all the notifications back to the beginning of
time if you wanted to.
So you could play catch up anytime you
needed to.
You're not going to miss it.
So I think that what is important to
do sometimes is step back and look at
whether the technical goals align with the aims
of what you're trying to achieve.
And what we're trying to achieve with Podping
are a few things.
We're trying to, and we've mentioned a couple
of them already, not have to run a
server, not have to, um, pull RSS feed
URLs a thousand times a day just to
see if they may have changed once.
There's lots of goals here.
One, but there's a couple of them that
really haven't been expressed, but they are important.
And, and one of those is it just
has to work rock solid 100% of
the time rock solid without fail.
I'm like, I'm one of those, uh, like
one of those hip hop guys who stands
in the back callback, the backup guy, you
say rock solid.
It's like the hip hop version of Ed
McMahon.
And so if it's not, and there's a
reason for this, we want the entire world
of podcasting, the big players, the big platforms
to use Podping because it enables the live
feature as well as rapid polling and future
things that we develop.
It is a, I consider it to be
a critical piece of infrastructure for podcasting's future.
So we want, do we want the big
platforms to use this thing, but they will
not use it unless it is solid and
dependable.
And even then it's questionable.
And you can't, well, you can't blame them
if it's going up and down all the
time, which, which it doesn't, but, but if
it, if it did, I mean, they, they
couldn't use, they can't depend on that.
Well, and also let's be fair.
You're using CloudFlare, you're using AWS, it's like,
shit happens, bottom line.
For sure.
Yes.
Yeah.
And, and in that world, in that respect,
it's no different than any system.
So it's going to, you know, sitting the,
setting those things that are beyond control aside,
those sort of like acts of God.
But there's the beauty about a blockchain is
that in theory, no one can mess with
it, no one can, no one owns it,
no one can rip it away, no one
can monetize it differently.
You know, there's, there's, there's benefits to it,
to an open public blockchain that has enough
nodes to run it.
Well, I don't think, see, and this, okay,
well, this is where we're going here.
I don't think that's inherent to what a
blockchain is though.
Okay.
Because blockchains can go away.
Yeah.
They can be, can be forked off.
They, there's a lot, there's, there's a lot
of things that can happen to them.
You know, the more distributed a system, if
you have a distributed system that produces a
blockchain, it's more resilient to that, but it's
still not, it's still possible that a blockchain
can fail.
Because blockchain, you know, blockchains are just data
that exists in a server somewhere.
And so what the idea that Alex and
I've been kicking around for a couple of
years now is having a second layer.
So, um, Hive continues to function just like
it always has and, and Hive can do
its, you know, can be itself and do
its own thing.
But then we have a separate, a second
layer for redundancy.
And the second layer is some sort of
distributed peer to peer gossiping system, and this
would ideally be bootstrapped over DHT.
Nothing like a little distributed hash space.
What is it?
Hash?
Table.
Oh yes.
Distributed hash table.
Yeah.
And so the most popular DHT space, if
you want to say it that way, out
there forever has been the same one that
the BitTorrent system uses.
Sure.
The main, the mainline DHT.
And so this distributed hash table could take,
uh, could take care of bootstrapping the nodes
to get them to communicate with one another.
So we found this library a while back
called Iroh, I-R-O-H.
Yes.
I remember this.
Yeah.
And so we played around with it a
little bit and then, uh, you know, and
then it dropped, but with the recent, um.
Upgrades.
Recent.
Yeah.
And it's, that library has moved along and
it's a lot more solid now and it
has a new thing called a, um, it's
called Iroh Docs.
And so it's a distributed document store where,
um, the documents are stored cryptographically with a
key that's in part of the, with a
key in the hash table.
Does just a quick question.
Does IPFS also run over this or is
that their own, uh, hash space?
Ooh, that's a question.
I don't know the answer to that.
Ignore, ignore, ignore.
I don't know if IPFS runs on that,
on the mainline DHT.
I would imagine it does, but maybe.
The, so, so I got in and just
started trying to hash this thing out, uh,
over the past week and pretty quickly got
something running because the beautiful thing about podping
.cloud is that it's a very simplistic architecture,
but it's simple, but rock solid.
You have a web server front end that
accepts the submissions from, uh, hosting companies and,
and podcasters about whether, you know, updating their,
their feed, sending a notification.
That web server front end takes the notification,
takes that incoming URL and reason code and
medium code, puts it into a queue in
a, in a database, a SQLite database, and
then it pushes those updates over a ZMQ
socket, which on the back end of the
socket connects to one or more, what we
call writers.
So the right, you can, to, to date,
the only writer that has ever, that we've
ever had has been the Hive writer.
So it takes those incoming messages over the
ZMQ socket and writes them to the Hive
blockchain through one of a dozen or less
today, uh, Hive API servers.
That's the way the system's always worked, but
the Z, but the fact that it's using
ZMQ and it's using a, um, it's using
a binary schema protocol called Captain Proto, and
that is, um, that is more robust than
something just like a JSON message because it
has a, has a strict schema and it,
it enforces adherence to that schema.
So because of that, you can just take
this schema, plug in a different writer to
the ZMQ socket on the backside, and suddenly
now you're writing to two places or three
places or four or whatever, however many you
want to do.
So this is just really a good plug
and play type architecture.
So what I did was I just took
the Hive writer, um, the message structure, or
excuse me, the, the, the, yeah, the Captain
Proto, uh, schema message structure and just built
a new writer that would write to the
Eero document space.
How do you spell Eero?
I-R-O-H.
Yeah.
Um, another question.
So what is the update, um, time across
the, the Eero hash space?
I mean, is it because pod ping is
pretty quick.
Oh, it's within a, it's within a second.
Really?
Is it, is it?
I would, go ahead, go ahead.
I would encourage everybody to, uh, go to
that post that I made and down, download.
You don't have to run the whole repo.
This is what I did was I forked
podping.cloud into a new repo, renamed it
to podping.alpha for this testing phase that
we're doing, and you can download that repo
and all you have to do is really
just build the listener.
So there's a folder in there called gossip
-listener.
So if you go into that folder and
just, and do a cargo build, that's the
way you build a Rust, uh, binary.
Yes, because it's a Rust crate.
So you want to build a cargo from
a crate.
I get it.
That's right.
Uh, so if you just build the gossip
listener and run it, just do cargo run
inside that folder and it'll build everything and
then what you will end up with, it
should just launch and within a few seconds,
you'll just start getting pod pinged.
Question.
Is this lightweight enough to bake into an
app device side?
It is, except that you have the constant
problem on mobile of getting evicted out of
memory.
So you'd have to read every time you
come back.
You know, if you're in the background, you
can't bootstrap this every single time in the
background.
Okay.
Yeah.
Mobile apps just have so many restrictions about
memory usage.
Yeah.
As great as the mobile revolution has been,
it sucks so bad.
It does.
There's a lot that just sucks.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
It, these devices are just so locked down
and so prohibited from doing anything in the
background.
But yet Bixby wants to help me all
the time.
It's right.
It's, it's, I think, so what you have
to end up doing is what Franco did,
which is you run a $5 a month.
Lindo.
Yeah.
And, and the whole, the whole pod ping
dot cloud system on five servers.
It only costs like 20 bucks, 30, 30
bucks a month to run it.
And it's been running for years with no
downtime.
So this removes the hive blockchain part.
It does not remove hive.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
That this is, so what this is, this
is just a, a testing phase to get
things going on, uh, the gossip channel and
run it for a while, work out the
bugs and then, and then bake the writer,
this new gossip writer into the pod ping
dot cloud architecture, but you can't rip, there's
no reason to rip out hive.
I mean, there's this hive can continue to
work the same way it always does.
This is just, this is for now, at
least just an additional distribution mechanism.
The, the problem that we've run into with
hive.
Load balancing.
Well, I don't really, the list of hive
node API notes seems to have changed recently
to the extent that we've, that people have
been having trouble.
They've had to go in and sort of
manually edit their list of hive notes.
And I think that was behind some of
the, some of the latency that was going
on with like getting live notifications and that
kind of thing.
So, um, cause Eric PP and, uh, which
was it?
Um, Mitch, Cameron, uh, Eric PP and a
couple other people were talking about that last
week, they were saying that they finally figured
out the problem was that the hive node
list was out of date because of these
API servers anyway.
So I, I started vetting the servers and
I'm producing a list now of, of validated
hive servers that are up and running anyway,
not, not really that important, but the, this,
this is a way to do it.
You know, from the beginning, I've always been
concerned about putting all eggs in one basket.
Of course.
Always, that has always been a concern of
me.
My question to Brian multiple, you know, many
times has always been what if hive goes
away?
And so this is, this is how we
solve for the question of what if hive
goes away?
I mean, ideally it wouldn't, it would never
go away and it will just continue to
run like it always has.
But I can't just base all that on
hope.
You know, I need a plan B and
the plan B is gossip.
And so ERO gives you all the stuff
that, that you need to do this the
correct way.
It gives you hole punching, NAT traversal, DHT
bootstrapping.
Yeah, yeah.
A lot of benefits there.
Yeah.
There's a lot of stuff that goes into,
I mean, this stuff that that's not easy
stuff to do.
So, um, the, this library kind of pulls
it all into one package and it's been
running for a few days now and I
have not seen a single hiccup.
It's basically, it's multicasting to multiple nodes at
one time.
So as soon as the writer gossips that,
that, that new notification out, every node in
the gossip channel sees it immediately.
I mean, within a second, I'm watching, I'm
watching three of them at the same time
and it's just instantaneous.
Boom, boom, boom.
And the more nodes for bootstrapping purposes, the
more nodes you get, you know, the better,
that's always the case with the DHT because
then you're more resilient to that, you know,
things going down and that kind of thing.
And ultimately, so ultimately what I would like
for this setup to look like once we
get this finalized and get some, something that
we're comfortable with, what I would like for
this to look like is that the podping
.cloud nodes will always, you know, will always
be online on the DHT and so those
will be your bootstrap nodes.
And then everything else will just launch off
of that.
So you'll connect, you'll connect to the DHT,
you'll always have those five nodes as fallback
bootstrappers.
But at any time, there's going to be
a lot of other nodes on online listening.
So bootstrapping should not be a problem.
Okay.
So how does this solve the big company
not invented here?
We don't trust that syndrome.
Does it?
Or do we make it, is it more
complicated or is this built, I mean, I
understand why you did it, but does it
really solve that part of the puzzle?
I don't think that we have to solve
it in, I don't think we have to
solve that in that way.
And what I mean is, um, the thing
about podping is that it already has all,
a whole bunch of hosting companies tied in
sending notifications.
So the, the, no change for them really,
right.
There's no change.
They just keep doing what they do.
They, they, they see, they have to change
nothing and you could go build your own
system, but then you would have to convince
all the hosting companies that are currently already
sending podping to now send to your new
thing.
Right.
And so that's what I mean.
Well, under NDA, I'm sure they'll all jump
the minute Apple asks them to.
Well, maybe, yeah, but I don't, what I
would prefer is that the big platforms, um,
you know, Apple and Spotify, whoever that wants
to hook into podping, what I would prefer
is that they actually get on board and
help make the podping system better.
Yeah.
Is that they contribute some dev time to
it or whatever to make it more robust.
If they see a problem, ideally there wouldn't
be a problem because it just works great.
Mm-hmm.
But if they see a problem and want
to contribute dev time to it, to fix
and help and help the calls, that'd be
great too.
So, uh, Eric, to answer Eric's question, he
says, Dave, does it allow multiple notes to
write or only the podcast index notes?
So that is, that is why it's not
fully baked yet.
So we're, that is the next step is
to, um, take that authorization layer that's currently
on the podping.cloud side and the Hive
side and extend that to the, um, to
the gossip side of things.
So we, that, that's sort of step two
of where we're headed with this thing.
This is really just what, what this is,
is a proof of concept to get in
everybody's head what the goals are, uh, for,
cause, you know, I think a year from
now, people who are still watching the Hive
blockchain and doing podping through that way, that
there's no difference.
They're just going to keep, things just keep
on tracking like they always did.
But then there's gonna be this other way
that you can do it.
And then, um, other background writers can also
be developed.
Uh, John Spurlock is working on some stuff
around the AT, uh, Proto protocol, which would
provide some things like archiving.
And that again is distributed and personally owned.
So you can have a, you know, a
PDS.
I don't know a ton about AT Proto,
but that's the protocol distributed protocol behind Blue
Sky.
But, um, it's an open protocol and that
can be, uh, you know, we could plug
in a writer for that where you could
also have a diff, you know, it could
be archived out into a personal data store
where you can have access like you do
a blockchain.
So I just, to me, I just like,
I like the idea of taking in these
notifications from the hosting companies and then just
spraying them back out through as many channels
as we can.
And then you just pick the channel that
works best for you.
And that'll be, that may be different.
That may be different for everybody.
Um, you know, there's, there's people that are
already fully integrated with the hive side of
things.
And then that works.
They'll just keep on tracking with that.
There's other people that are coming up new
and this DHT gossip topic way is, is
easier for them to get started.
And then there may, you know, so I
think, I think the having a single front
end and then multiple outputs on the back
end, I think that is the right way
to do this.
So that's, so that's what this is.
And I encourage everybody to go and build
that, that gossip listener and just run it
and just, just see what that, think about
what just happened when you see these things
popping, suddenly scrolling across your screen.
All you did was launch it.
All you did was download something and run
it.
And now you have every hosting company telling
you what's happening themselves when their own feeds
are having events.
It's a direct connection.
And yes, that's, that's, that's always the way
Podping has worked.
But the difference here is that this is
not communicating with any, there's, there's decentralized and
then there's distributed space.
Space.
So, you know, you can, you can distribute
something through just something as simple as load
balancing, but to be truly decentralized means not
having a sort of mothership or concentration of
mothership, some, you know, servers somewhere that are
kind of in charge of everything.
And that's the goal here, truly decentralized.
And to be truly decentralized is complicated.
It is probably the most complicated thing to
do in computer science and technology is to
be truly, really genuinely decentralized because now you're
not talking about getting updates.
Now you're talking about sync, staying in sync,
right?
Multiple things, any kind of synchronization is always
tough.
It's very difficult.
Yeah.
But, but, but it's hard, it's hard, but
that doesn't, but that doesn't mean we don't,
we don't need to do it because we
do.
We do hard things.
That's what we do.
What do we do?
Hard things.
Exactly.
We're going to do it.
So this is step one.
The other thing, um, I'm toying around with
in response to David Marzal's, um, Yeoman's effort
to clean up.
Yeah, I saw that.
The podcast index, GitHub repo.
Now, what exactly did he do?
Uh, no, he's, he's going through and just
going through all the issues and discussions in
the podcast namespace, trying to get everything tagged
and labeled so that we can go through
and close old issues that are years old
that haven't been messed with.
And just, he's just trying, he's doing general,
uh, spring cleaning work on the namespace repo.
So I gave him, I gave him triage
permission on that re on that repo.
And, uh, so he's been, he's been going
after it.
But when I, another thing I did was,
um, created a, a GitHub to Mastodon bridge.
So that when somebody posts, uh, so when
activity happens on one of the podcast index,
GitHub repos, cross posts over to follow Mastodon.
Yes.
Nice.
So it's just, uh, at GitHub at podcast
index dot social.
Nice.
So when there's, so it's really for all
of our sanity so that we can not
have to have, I have six email addresses
that I have to keep up with already.
I just cannot handle more email and I
live in the podcast index dot social all
day.
So I might as well just get.
Yeah.
Get your notifications there.
Of course.
Yeah.
That way I don't have to bounce from
different places.
Well, I'm excited about this.
This is fun.
I love hash space.
I've always been enthralled by it.
Torrents, IP, IPFS is different.
It's a different hash space.
I looked it up.
Oh, is it?
Yeah.
But I just, I love the whole concept.
That to me has always been this magical
layer on the internet that just does things,
you know, Tor in general.
It's just, you know, I mean, I've still
run my start nine.
If I need something that I have a
couple of things running, like my, um, uh,
my, my vault warden server right over Tor,
you know, uh, I access helipad over Tor.
It's not, it's, it's actually quite fast.
It's, it's not as slow as it used
to be for some reason.
Um, there's all kinds of issues with exit
nodes and blockage and stuff, but still it's,
it is a phenomenally interesting thing, you know,
forget about punching holes in your router, natting
your firewall, like none of that.
Just Tor it just works.
And I, and this is also the future.
This, this will prove that the product, the
process of doing this to plot to pod
ping will also prove out the next steps
for decentralizing the index.
You know, we, so if we get this
working, that gives us a clear path towards
the next steps of getting the index itself
to be decentralized because the steps will be
very similar on that, on that too, because
it, now you're talking about a different, you
know, a different gossip channel and now you're
distributing instead of pod pings.
Now you're distributing database updates.
Same day, same scenario.
I just wanted to, uh, talk about something,
uh, that I heard on this week in
Bitcoin, looking at you, Chris, chrislas.com.
So he's been struggling like many with, um,
wallets and the shift from key send to
LN URL.
And I didn't clip it.
I should have, because I don't want to
misquote them.
But the way, what I heard him say
was, well, the pod found the pod Sage
have decided it's just going to be centralized
on strike.
And I'm like, uh, no, no, that's not
true.
It's not true at all.
And I know he's real busy, you know,
so maybe that's just how we heard it,
but we have advocated for, I think probably
eight different ways of doing the metadata and
we've never advocated for anything building is the
only thing that matters, you know, Oscar has
built stuff and, you know, people have, or
have not picked up on it.
I mean, um, James Cridlin jumped in on
creating runway for strike, but I just don't
make it clear.
We're not sitting here being the Kings of
all things and saying, well, this is what
it's going to be.
So just wanted to clear that up.
Uh, you know, and I love Chris.
I love his show.
Uh, I lost like 600,000 Bitcoin that
I sent to him through LN URL.
And I guess it never, never got there.
Oh no, that's not good.
No, there was a while back.
You know, I, I connected strike to my,
uh, uh, podcast guru wallet.
And I guess he, uh, he, he couldn't
receive that, but that's neither here nor there,
I'm just saying that, you know, that's not
how it works here.
Uh, the way things, the way things work
here is we, we are just shooting the
breeze and if someone builds something, we look
at that and we see how it works
and we talk about it.
And if people implement it, then groovy, but
it's not like we're, we're trying to promote
one thing or the other, or now we're
the centralization guys.
It's like, no, that's, that's not fair.
It's not fair.
The, the podcasting 2.0, uh, group is
just a collection of people who are doing
things that interest them.
And that's really all it is is people
have a, people find interest in, I see
it a lot like the, the layout, the
corporate layout of a valve software, you know,
think they just, whatever, whatever somebody's interested in,
that's just what they do.
And sometimes that means things unfortunately get dropped
on the floor and they don't get a
lot of progress made on them because people
lose interest.
But that's, that's just how this, it's just
how it has to work.
I mean, there's no, it's all volunteer and
you only, you can only expect volunteers to
work on the things that they're passionate on,
passionate about.
And I mean, I've largely stepped back from
the whole value tag, you know, Bitcoin thing,
just because I don't know what the answers
are.
And I would rather at this point in
the game, rather than having like arguments and
getting upset at people, I would rather just
watch people build things and just see what
happens.
Yeah.
That's my point.
Whatever's going to happen, happens.
My point, exactly.
Looking at the clock, my brother, let's thank
some people.
We've, we've covered a lot of ground here
today.
Oh yeah.
Okay.
Value for value is how the podcast index
runs, which means you who are listening to
this, who are participating in the board meeting,
you can help us continue to keep the
machines running.
Dave and Adam take none of this.
We're doing this as a public service, but
we have a responsibility to keep all the
machines humming along.
And somehow Dave has devoted a large portion
of his life to this.
I just fly in from time to time
and go, Hey, that's my job.
Somehow, somehow he's done that.
Uh, so this comes in the form of
a fiat fund coupons.
Uh, you, we do accept PayPal, which you
can use with credit card and all kinds
of different methods, but going to podcastindex.org,
you scroll down at the bottom, big red
donate button.
That'll take it to that page.
And of course we accept boosts of all
kinds, uh, LNURL preferred currently.
So here we go.
Oh, wait, actually, uh, I have some live
boosts that I'll mention here.
Do you, are you seeing the, the LNURL
boosts?
Probably not.
Uh, I'm using helipad, so that's probably only
keysend still.
Okay.
Are you're not running, you're not running runway
then?
Um, I'm not running runway live during the
show.
No, I probably need to set that up
for next week.
Yeah, I should probably do that as well.
Okay.
Hey, there we go.
12,345 sats from Dreb Scott.
One, two, three, four, five.
We see what you did.
And, uh, he sits in there and he
says, uh, go podcasting.
Beautiful.
Uh, where's my go podcasting thing?
Don't have a go podcast.
Yeah, here it is.
Found it.
1701 from Martin Linda's code.
Glyceum coming in from true fans.
Apple could then do, Oh, wait a minute.
The, I did this twice for some reason.
Apple could do live radio shows with video
events, concerts, et cetera.
Apple podcaster app is not my go-to
application for podcasts, but if Apple music could
be linked somehow with pod ping, it could
be that I will spend more time on
my iPhone lost in space or the wave
of the future starship boost with 1701 Satoshi's.
Okay.
Salty crayon, a row of ducks, 22, 22.
He says, don't copy that floppy.
And don't copy that flop.
That's a classic.
I got the row of ducks here.
Uh, 22, 22 from salty crayon.
Don't copy that floppy then.
Oh, I see.
I see what's happening now.
I know.
So we got 11, 11 from true fans,
from Martin Linda's Coke.
He says, I'm co-listening with Sam Sethi
on true fans.
This is how snuggly.
Yeah.
It's that's a true fans feature.
You can co-listen.
Nice to hear you guys.
James with disco music.
What is that?
An AI mix.
Yeah, definitely.
And then I hit the delimiter at least
here and I'll actually see if I can
log into runway.
That's a missed branding opportunity by Sam.
He should just call it the true fan
snuggle where you're co-listening.
Yeah.
That's the way you do that.
Let me see.
I've got boosts here.
Let me just take a look.
Uh, boosts with boosts only.
And there's PP says he's going to be
supporting, uh, Ellen URL.
That spec in helipads.
So he said within the next week, probably.
Oh, good.
Cause I'm, I'm looking now and I don't
see, um, I'm on runway.
And I'm getting the most recent ones.
And I, I, February 13th is the last
payment I have.
Let me see.
Boosts salty crayon.
Yeah.
That's, uh, that's from the last episode.
So it did come through pods, snuggle pods,
snuggle.
I was looking for, there we go.
All right.
We got some pay.
We got PayPal's though.
We got a J these are all mixed
up.
We got Jeremy Gerds, $5.
Thank you, Jeremy.
And we got Michael Hall, $5 and 50
cents.
Uh, new media.
That's Todd and Rob.
I'm I'm forever going to say that.
You can't get away from it.
It's always going to be Todd and Rob.
Yeah.
Forever.
Uh, $30.
Thank you.
Wow.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Thanks guys.
Uh, Gene Liverman, five bucks.
Thank you, Gene.
Uh, Timothy voice, $10.
Oh, look at there.
Look, look, you know what I just found?
I found bus sprout for a thousand dollars.
Keeping the index alive.
I love you guys.
I love all the hosting companies who support
us so much.
Every, every Satoshi, every dollar makes a difference,
but these guys definitely, uh, step in big
every time.
We appreciate it.
Yeah.
Uh, Oysteen Barrow, who's coming up next, I
believe.
Yeah.
Five bucks.
Mutton Music and Mead.
Uh, Jorge Hernandez, $5.
Thank you, Jorge.
Michael Goggin, $5.
James Sullivan, $10.
Cohen Glotzbach, $5.
Uh, Christopher Reamer, $10.
John's Creek Studios, LLC, $5.
Uh, Michael Kimmerer, $5.33. Chris Bernardik, $5.
Uh, Dreb Scott, $15.
Thank you, Dreb.
Appreciate you.
Uh, who is this?
Oh, this is a one-off.
Uh, my, uh, Michael.
No note.
Oh, Michael Good, $25.
Thank you, Michael.
Yeah.
Uh, no, no note from Michael and that's
it on that.
We got some boosts on my side.
We got, uh, oh, we got some test
boosts.
Uh, who sent them, who sent the test
boosts?
Dreb Scott sent 10,000 stats and he
says, boosty McTest boost.
We got, uh, that deserves one of these
testing.
Boost.
All right.
I got the ugly quacking, Doug.
That's Bruce.
Uh, 2222 through podcast guru.
He says, enjoyed the episode.
Fun conversations on this episode.
73s.
All right.
Thank you very much.
Uh, no, we got 3333 from a citizen
through Castamatic.
Where's my, he says, uh, just listening to
Adam praise Linux audio and tiling window managers
has filled me with hope and validation.
You guys don't know what it's like to
wake up from the recurring dream of showing
off my arch Linux audio set up only
to realize it was all a dream.
All right.
Let me tell you, I've been, uh, I've
been using it now for how many weeks?
I've done three, no, four, no agendas with
it.
The thing is it's, it is solid.
I mean, I am loving it.
You've done four, no agendas and three of
them got fully recorded.
So you're hitting 75, three and a half,
three and a half.
Yeah.
It's, uh, but in general, I'm just, I've
never used workspaces.
I use them all the time now.
And I don't know what the different, why,
uh, what it is about, Oh, Marchy and
the, you know, the hyperland tiling manager.
I'm not sure what it is, but it's
so easy to just, you know, I've got
one workspace with, you know, like signal and
my messages, I've got one workspace, which is
just email and a browser.
I've got the podcast workspace, which is, you
know, all the stuff I have for the
podcast.
I'm like, Oh, I sit down.
What are you laughing about?
Hey, citizen in the boardroom said, I'd just
like to interject for a moment.
Uh, what you're referring to as Linux is
actually GNU Linux.
GNU Linux, GNU Linux, there's always one of
those guys.
No, there's more than one of those guys.
Yes.
It's GNU Linux.
It's GNU Arch Linux.
Gal, GNU Arch Linux.
Yes.
Um, there's something about it.
The workflow is really enjoyable.
And there is not as not a single
thing I haven't been able to do that
I could do on windows, including zoom.
You know, the zoom client is fine.
It works perfect.
It's never, in fact, I've had more problems
with my windows zoom client than, than I've
had zero with, uh, with the GNU Linux.
Um, and, uh, uh, you know, it's like,
Oh, I got to do something new project,
just pop open a new workspace and do
it there and go back.
I mean, it's, it's changed the way I
think about it.
And dare I say, I find working on
my GNU Linux rather exciting.
Uh, you're getting, you're getting a, you're, um,
you're getting fulfillment from your computing experience in
a long time.
Yes.
It's kind of back to the Sinclair ZX
80 days.
Yeah, I'm fulfilled.
It's like, Oh, this is exciting.
Look at how this works.
You know, you need something and, uh, you
don't have to go to the windows store
to get free trials and subscribe.
Everything has a subscription.
No, there's just some dude or dudette was
built something like, Oh, this is great.
You know, I'm a tipper.
Yeah.
I'm a value for value guy.
I'm like, you give me some software that
I use.
I am going to send you money.
It's like, it's like pounding out some peaks
and pokes on your Commodore 64.
That was so beautiful.
You could, you could peak and you could
suck down an entire cartridge with that system.
Oh yeah.
You get, yeah.
Peak, peak and poke.
You're just like directly, directly right into the
processor.
Yeah.
Put it, put a pixel right here.
Peak, poke, flat, flat memory model for the
win.
Beautiful, beautiful stuff.
Uh, Hey citizens, he finished up.
He said, Linux audio people check out race
session.
I'm excited.
Excuse me.
You mean GNU Linux audio people?
Check out session out race, race session.
R a Y session S E S S
I O N.
It lets you manage and save entire audio
workflows and routing.
Oh, okay.
There you go.
There's more to play with session manager for
GNU Linux musical programs.
Okay.
Nice.
All right.
And who is, Oh, Oh, Commissioner bloggers.
There's a limit of 23,000 sats.
There we go.
Uh, through fountain.
He says, howdy, Dave and Adam.
Yes.
AI causes mass layoffs, increase in electricity prices,
economic inequality, and circle jerk finance bubble.
But that's all politics.
That's covered on no agenda podcast by Adam
Curry and his half Polak, half Czech, full
Slavic co-host Dvorak.
But to learn how to wield AI tools
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Yo CSB.
Yeah.
He's invited me to come on and show
him my vibe coding.
You're doing it, right?
Of course.
Of course, of course, it'll be super fun.
I mean, people will go, what is he
doing?
How is it?
What?
Please tell me that commissioner bloggers and have
the voice changer on there.
So now he's going to have the voice
changer on this.
That's I mean, I've met him.
He doesn't sound like, as long as he
doesn't sound like the chick from the.
Power.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I mean, I don't know why he's, he
does that.
I mean, he has a very distinctive voice.
You recognize it out of thousands.
So maybe that's why I love CSB.
Me too.
I think he has a great voice.
I don't understand why he wants to change
that.
He's got, he's got the, if I imagine
listening to radio in Poland and it would
be, it would be CSB.
Hey, it is GNU Linux here.
Welcome to radio Poland.
Radio Poland.
All right, brother.
Great catching up with you.
It's all, it's always a pleasure.
Thank you very much boardroom for being here
with us.
We will be back next Friday and we
look forward to doing another round of the
podcast and 2.0 board meeting.
Have a great weekend.
You, you, you hope you have been listening
to podcasting 2.0 visit podcast index.org
for more information.
Go podcasting.
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in a, that's in a place.
You don't want it.