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Podcasting 2.0 for March 6, 2026, episode

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Joy Robber.

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Well, hello, everybody.

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Welcome to your Friday, the first one in

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March.

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This is Podcasting 2.0. This is where

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it really goes down.

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We may take months to talk about something,

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but we do get stuff done here.

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That's for sure.

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This is the official board meeting of the

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Podcasting 2.0 group.

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We are in fact the only boardroom that

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doesn't need insurance to go through the Hormuz

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Straits.

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I'm Adam Curry here in the Texas Hill

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Country and in Alabama, the man who will

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code on your master for at least an

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hour.

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Say hello to my friend on the other

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end, the one, the only, the inimitable, the

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pod sage, Mr. Dave Jones.

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What exactly does inimitable mean?

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It means you can't be imitated, I think.

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Inimitable, inimitable, inimitable.

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That makes great sense.

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That's what I think.

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Yes, inimitable.

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You cannot be imitated.

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You are one of a kind.

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When they made you, they broke the mold.

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Well, it says the definition is so good

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or unusual as to be impossible to copy.

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So it doesn't necessarily mean good.

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It just means hard to imitate.

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Yes.

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That could be for many reasons.

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Good or unusual.

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I think both are good.

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I think unusual is also good.

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I like you because you're good and unusual.

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Boneless chicken wings are also unusual.

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Well, they're fake, obviously.

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I don't like them.

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They're fake.

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It's not an actual chicken wing.

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Speaking of fake, let's just get into it.

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Let's just dive into it.

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A lot of talk about AI tags, AI

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tag, tags, AI tag.

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I got a little worked up in the

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shower.

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You got worked up in the shower about

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AI?

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Sorry for the visual.

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No, I'm listening to the power and I

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guess RSS.com put an AI tag into

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their feed.

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Yes, that's correct.

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They used the TXT, the podcast colon TXT

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tag, which is a completely underutilized tag.

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It is one of the best tags.

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It's a Swiss army knife of tags, baby.

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You can use that thing for anything.

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It's not in the toolbox.

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It is the toolbox.

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James said something that irked me.

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I'll just get it out.

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Of course, I'm not really mad at him,

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but he said, well, you know, the podcasting

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2.0 folks, they'll take months to figure

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Uh, voice, voice, voice, exaggerated voice, exaggerated.

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And I'm like, my first response is like,

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excuse me, bloke.

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Um, without podcast index and the namespace, you'd

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spill these, still be stir circle jerking on

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some slack group.

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So shut up.

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But then I thought, no, I won't say

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that.

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You'll say what you weren't.

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That's what I was going to say.

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That's what I was going to say.

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All right.

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Instead, I thought the better of it.

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And, uh, you know, cause it's like, you

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know, it was already in the podcast group

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and all that.

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Look, building is the only thing that matters.

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RSS.com build something.

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They threw something out there.

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I've really been thinking about AI in general

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when it comes to podcasting and this whole

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thing, I'm not quite sure who this tag

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is for.

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Um, nobody, nobody is by the way, that's

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why nothing has happened until this point.

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I mean, and, and what is RSS.com's

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issue with AI podcasts?

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Do you know what the issue is?

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What, what is, what is, I'm hearing myself.

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Are you, are you really loud?

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I'm crinkling a wrapper.

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No, I mean, I just got to adjust

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the gate a little bit.

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I'm coming back.

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No, you're good now.

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You're good now.

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Well, cause you talk to the boys over

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there all the time.

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Well, come on, spit it out.

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The reason that nobody has implemented anything on

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the AI front yet is because we, nobody

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knows how to do it, but, but this

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is because let's, let's def let's define at

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least what the problem is because defining the

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defining the content is the hard is impossible.

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This is, this is why nothing has happened

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until, until this point.

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And I think, all right.

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So the, the reason nobody has put in

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an AI label or whatever, uh, AI warning

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or something is that you don't every podcast

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now, not everyone, obviously I'm being hyperbolic, but

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so many podcasts use AI.

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So what do you, what are you saying

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when you say this podcast was made with

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AI?

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I mean, every, like it could be part

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of it.

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So this is what I'm trying to figure

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It's like, who, by the way, I like

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what rss.com did.

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I'm just saying that that's what, but that's

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what has held things up.

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Go ahead.

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No, you're, you're, you're making the same point

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I'm trying to make is who, who is

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the tag for and what, what is the

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problem?

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And I can kind of, you know, we

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have the, uh, the iTunes explicit tag.

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yeah, it's for Apple's audience, you know, and,

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and there's stuff in here that they may

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not think is appropriate for their audience.

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a namespace so they can have that.

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And I put no agenda to explicit, nothing

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else is fine.

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But the AI tag, to me, it sounds

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like somehow the, the advertising industry is trying

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to protect itself from getting ripped off.

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I don't really get it.

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And I'll tell you something else.

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In general, I don't think listeners care.

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If they hear something that they find informative

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and, and it happens to be in an

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AI voice, either they're insulted right away and

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won't listen to it anymore, or they listen

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A friend of mine who shall go unnamed,

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big Hollywood producer, produce a big, big Hollywood

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producer.

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I should go unnamed.

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Everybody knows who it is.

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And, um, so he calls me, he says,

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I've got this, I've put this thing together.

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I got to talk to you about it.

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I think it's patentable.

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So what you got, he says, well, um,

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that's when, you know, it's not is when

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they say right away, right away.

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And, and, and this guy has done major

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Hollywood productions, hates Hollywood.

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He's, you know, he's bored.

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He's trying to find something to do with

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his money, with his life, with his time.

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And so he's been token burning with open

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claw and he's a tinkerer.

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He's a real tinkerer.

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So he's got this thing to work and

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he programmed it so that, um, you type

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in your, your area code, your zip code,

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and it automatically creates a daily podcast of

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news, hyperlocal news.

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That's of course he was trying to get

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my attention with the hyperlocal, hyperlocal news says,

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and my neighbors love it.

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In fact, when, when I, when I forgot

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to, to create a new episode, cause I

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guess it's still kind of manual.

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Um, he said, my neighbors are calling me

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like, Hey, where, where's my update?

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Where where's my, you know, it's a very

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small, uh, like municipality in California, Northern California.

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And so first of all, I had to

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explain to him how it was not patentable.

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I said, by the way, welcome to what

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everybody's doing, uh, to, although, yeah, for a

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million dollars, you might be able to patent

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some process, but I don't think it's worth

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it to, uh, do you think people are

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going to pay for this or, uh, you

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know, and we ran through some business ideas.

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It all came back down to, well, if

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you can create a thousand zip codes and

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you get 10 people listening, you know, then

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you might have a business.

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If you jam two ads at the front

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and the back, I said, I don't know.

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I said, I, so I, I basically talked

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him off the ledge and told him he

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should be creating great Christian movies and TV

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shows.

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I turned that thing on a dime.

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It was great.

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But the point of the story is that

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people don't care.

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They're not insulted in general.

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If you listen to most, um, news readers,

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radio people, they don't talk like humans anyway.

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Hey everybody, it's 77 degrees at seven o

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'clock right here.

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W H T Z U 100.

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That's how the radio talks.

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When you listen to the news, you know,

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it's like, uh, even from his opponents and

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very little debate about what might be coming

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next, it's, it's not human.

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This is why podcasts can be so beautiful,

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but it doesn't mean that that kind of

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cadence and that kind of talking is invalid

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or that people reject it out of hand.

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Um, and I I've just been considering this

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more and I have to say, I do

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a lot of AI work for our, uh,

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your town live streaming stations.

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I've come up with some pretty good voices

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and it's announcery voices.

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You know, it's just announcer people doing promos

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and they sound like radio announcer people.

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It's not a, it's not like, you know,

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you wouldn't fall for it in a conversation

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per se, but I don't see where the

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issue is.

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What is the problem?

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And if people want to listen to the

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Aust, the South Austrian Metro traffic update four

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times an hour, um, on a podcast, well,

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why not?

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I really, I've, I've, I failed to see

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the problem other than that.

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There are people in the podcast industrial complex

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who feel they're getting pushed out by robots

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and that all of this stuff floods the

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zone.

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And people have more attention for other things

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that they think that they somehow are privileged

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to do backslash.

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I, I agree with part of what you're

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saying and agree and disagree with another part.

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And that's again, why this is difficult.

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The yes, there is value in the thing

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that you're talking about in traffic, whether these

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things are, are very automatable.

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And when you think back to the nineties

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and you're, you're listening to, you're on the

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way in from driving into work from your

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home and you hear some dude on the

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radio giving you traffic and weather on the

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tens.

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Well, you, that guy might as well be

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automated on a, on a tape.

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You have no idea.

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There's no, for all you know, he could

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have been, they may have been, if nothing

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changed since the last time he did it,

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he may just run the same thing again.

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There's no, I don't know, there's no inherent

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problem with automating information delivery in a verbal

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way.

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In fact, here in, in Fredericksburg, Texas, just

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to prove the point, three times an hour,

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an automated, an actual automated voice comes on.

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I'm pulling it up now for you.

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And it happens to be me.

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And this is what me says.

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And then it didn't work.

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I don't know why.

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Oh, I'm sorry.

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I have it muted.

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Have the tab muted.

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Here we go.

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It's 70 degrees on main street in Fred,

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you know, and, and every 15 minutes it

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just pulls the right file into the spot

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and plays it.

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It's a robot.

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It's me, but it's a robot.

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Yeah.

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Now extend that by 20 minutes and you

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have a podcast.

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Yeah.

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I mean, any, but my point is anything

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can be a podcast, but that's a different

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question than should you, should that's a different,

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that's that question that stands on its own.

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But then there's also a secondary question of,

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should you actually disclose it or label it?

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Or should it be tagged in some way

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for who?

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Well, let's think about, think about Mastodon Fediverse.

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There is, there's a way, there's a way

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with which you, a built-in way to

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label this account as a bot.

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And that's, that's actually pretty helpful because you

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can now take some tech, a technical approach

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to, um, you can know a thing about

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the source that you otherwise wouldn't know.

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And that at certain points in time may

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become important.

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So it's not about whether it's a sort

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of good, bad moral distinction that's being made.

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It's about whether or not it's valuable to

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know that.

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And I think sometimes it is because from

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merely from the standpoint of being transparent so

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that people know that the voice they're listening

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to isn't a real person.

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That can be valuable in and of itself.

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If, if somebody tells me that it's, if

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I, if, if there's something about this, if

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there's something in the podcast app that shows

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me that this particular podcast I'm listening to

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is purely automated AI generated, I just, I

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think it's pretty, I think I like that.

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I like that I know that in advance

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and I'm not wondering whether or not it

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is.

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Because now you, what's happening I think now

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is this, there's disorientation that's happening all over,

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really all over media in general.

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I heard it this week, we were talking

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about some stuff in the office and one

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of the guys that was talking in this

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group of people, he said, oh, I saw

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this thing the other day.

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He's like, I don't know if it's AI

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or not.

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It probably is.

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Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

362
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Like there's a real sense of, you hear

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people say things like everything's AI now and

364
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blah, blah, blah.

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People, there's a real distrust and a sense

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of, of that people are being like almost,

367
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I give up.

368
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I can't tell what's real anymore.

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And so I think from that, in that

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sense, it is good to know if for

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no other reason than it's just a good

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thing.

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So I, from that standpoint, but then you,

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then you go further and you say, okay,

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well, you know, the people that are going

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to be doing abusive things with this content,

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actually trying to somehow game the system in

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some way with ad fraud and these, if

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you, now, they're never going to tag their

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content because that defeats their whole scheme.

381
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Well, you're right there too.

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And that's the whole reason that this has

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been such a difficult process is because that

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is exactly what people, what that's been the

385
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circle everybody's been going through for, for months

386
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on this same question is, should we tag

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AI?

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Well, if you do the people who you

389
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really want to, it's all in the sense

390
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of filtering.

391
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Okay.

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This, this is actually a good point.

393
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So you brought up the explicit tag, the

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explicit tag.

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Why would you need to know that?

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And the only reason why you can think

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of that you would need to know that

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if it's explicit or not, and let's, let's

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set aside for the moment, let's set aside

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what explicit means.

401
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Let's just, that's a whole separate question.

402
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Let's just say that, let's pretend, let's imagine

403
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a world in which everybody agreed on what

404
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is explicit and what is not.

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That's not reality, but let's just pretend for

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a moment that it is.

407
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You have a thing called the explicit tag.

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There's only one reason you put that in

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there.

410
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Yes.

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You want to know my reason?

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Why?

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I want it to be attractive to young

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people.

415
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Okay.

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I'm not kidding you.

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When you put a label on it like

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that, I'm like, oh, kids will love this.

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They'll jump right in.

420
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Ooh, it's explicit.

421
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I need to listen.

422
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That's exactly what I, what I thought.

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That is okay.

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That is interesting because it's the flip side.

425
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It's basically still the same thing.

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It's still one reason.

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Some people are going to want to not

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listen to it and others are going to

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want to listen to it.

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It's a flag and it says, it's a

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flag that lets people know, here's what this

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is so that you can make a choice

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to listen or not to.

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That's the only reason that tag exists.

435
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And we all know where it came from.

436
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It came from, what's her name?

437
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A pivot lady.

438
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Oh, I don't know if it came from

439
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her.

440
00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:03,240
I'm kidding.

441
00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:04,940
I don't think it came from her.

442
00:18:05,780 --> 00:18:07,940
Yeah, but she teed it up though.

443
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She did.

444
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So that's why that thing exists.

445
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So there's a correlation directly over to the

446
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AI tagging.

447
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Again, the only reason it's going to exist

448
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is to try to help you make a

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choice.

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And in both circumstances, the, your decision-making

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process is highly complex.

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You know, I'm, I'm with you and I

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really don't care, but I think you, you

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go down a road because if we propose

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the AI tag, I'm going to propose the

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Indian accent tag, the urban black voice tag,

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the annoying white woman liberal tag.

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I want all kinds of stuff that I,

459
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oh, I just, I don't want to be

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offended by listening to it.

461
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And, oh my gosh, because it's a different

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kind of voice.

463
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That's all that it is.

464
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Sure.

465
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Because there is, it can be, and if

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you said it's AI voice, yeah, you know,

467
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okay.

468
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Because that's what we're talking about.

469
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We're not talking about if it was, the

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script was generated by AI, you know, any,

471
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any of there's AI elements or bits to

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me, it's useless.

473
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I'm okay with it, but I guarantee you

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in six years from now, we'll be talking

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about some other tag that we want because

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people, because people need to be able to

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make a choice because it's too dangerous for

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them to hit play and make a decision

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within 30 seconds.

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Chad F said for me, explicit means don't

481
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listen to it around your kids, but see,

482
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it doesn't.

483
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And that's the whole difficulty of this because

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there's some things that are marked explicit because

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they say, you know, they say shit in

486
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it, but explicit tag on the podcast, but,

487
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but I'm putting it in right now.

488
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I'm doing it right now.

489
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Yeah.

490
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You need to tag info, explicit.

491
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Okay.

492
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The, but, but we watch movies that have

493
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that in it.

494
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Of course.

495
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This, this is, this, this is a bottomless

496
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pit of debate when you get into this

497
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and the same exact thing it is, is,

498
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is it is with AI because we've seen

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all kinds, we, we endlessly debated whether or

500
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not to put a, uh, a expansion of

501
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the, of the explicit tag into the podcast

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namespace that would allow all kinds of granular

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definitions of what it meant.

504
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This podcast contains cussing.

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This podcast contains talk about sex, cigarettes, cigarettes,

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language, violence, self harm, every permutation of this.

507
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And, and, but that's all based on filtering.

508
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And this, this is the same thing here.

509
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I don't have a problem with it for

510
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one reason.

511
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Somebody in the industry themselves decided to do

512
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it.

513
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I'm with you.

514
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I'm with you.

515
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If they think it's necessary, then there must

516
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be a good reason in their mind.

517
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And I will support whatever that is.

518
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I'm with you on that.

519
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,260
I wouldn't mind knowing, but again, as I

520
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said, I don't care.

521
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I just don't see the point to me.

522
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The point is I'm just trying to figure

523
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out the Genesis of it.

524
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:42,960
Where is it coming from?

525
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,120
You're coming from, well, you want a choice

526
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because you, Dave, if you know, before you

527
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,060
even hit play, you want to know if

528
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that's a robot.

529
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That's what you're saying.

530
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You want that.

531
00:21:55,380 --> 00:21:56,500
No, no, to be clear.

532
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That's not what I'm saying that, that I'm

533
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saying that, that I, that I think that

534
00:22:00,700 --> 00:22:01,500
is the point.

535
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:02,800
I don't think so.

536
00:22:02,980 --> 00:22:04,660
I don't think so.

537
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,400
I think it's coming from a monetization place

538
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,920
where people don't want robots taking over.

539
00:22:12,220 --> 00:22:14,320
And my point is then do a better

540
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:15,160
podcast.

541
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:17,240
Seriously.

542
00:22:17,900 --> 00:22:19,760
Well, I don't think it's that simple though.

543
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:24,940
I don't because, because your ability, your ability

544
00:22:24,940 --> 00:22:28,780
to do a great podcast cannot compete with

545
00:22:28,780 --> 00:22:32,540
AI's ability to generate 50,000 podcasts a

546
00:22:32,540 --> 00:22:32,740
day.

547
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,960
But that doesn't matter because I don't see

548
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,500
the 50,000 podcasts.

549
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,800
Does it contaminate search?

550
00:22:38,900 --> 00:22:39,940
This is another reason.

551
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:40,840
Yes.

552
00:22:40,900 --> 00:22:42,480
I think it contaminates search.

553
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,320
Is that the number one way people get

554
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:46,760
caught, get podcasts?

555
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:47,140
No.

556
00:22:48,420 --> 00:22:49,360
Fundamentally, no.

557
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,380
People hear about a podcast from their friend.

558
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,480
They see something shared on social media.

559
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:59,240
The discovery mechanism in podcasting is inherently, and

560
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:05,120
by design of decentralization, not, basically not there.

561
00:23:05,580 --> 00:23:07,720
And this is the only reason why people

562
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,600
go to YouTube because, oh, I can get

563
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:10,120
discovered.

564
00:23:10,300 --> 00:23:11,180
I could go viral.

565
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:12,540
Good luck with that.

566
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,400
That's, that's not how podcasts have been, uh,

567
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,800
you know, did serial, did, did that all

568
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,020
of a sudden hit because of search?

569
00:23:23,140 --> 00:23:23,520
No.

570
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,020
It became a hit because people dug it.

571
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:27,360
They talked about their friends.

572
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,300
It was on, you know, they posted in

573
00:23:29,300 --> 00:23:30,160
groups about it.

574
00:23:30,620 --> 00:23:31,580
So, okay.

575
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,820
You know, I, I just don't see, I

576
00:23:34,820 --> 00:23:36,520
just don't see the pro, I don't, again,

577
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,380
I don't, I'm not arguing the point.

578
00:23:38,380 --> 00:23:40,400
And I think we should immediately make a

579
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,580
tag for AI, make a tag right away.

580
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:43,580
Please put it in.

581
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,260
I will advocate for it.

582
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,000
But I'm, if anything, I'm sick and tired

583
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,720
of other people, not us, other people trying

584
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,700
to figure out when it should be labeled

585
00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:55,200
AI.

586
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,960
Well, whenever you feel like it, when is

587
00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:58,460
it explicit?

588
00:23:58,620 --> 00:24:00,240
Whenever you feel like it, make the tag,

589
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:01,100
put it in.

590
00:24:01,380 --> 00:24:02,040
Good to go.

591
00:24:02,580 --> 00:24:04,220
What has happened, and this is, this was

592
00:24:04,220 --> 00:24:05,380
a very interesting case.

593
00:24:06,260 --> 00:24:10,380
Um, we have, uh, oh, we have a,

594
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:11,520
like a friend group.

595
00:24:11,540 --> 00:24:12,620
Oh, I hate saying this.

596
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,400
So we've got this friend group, uh, and

597
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:16,660
we did, it was like a church-based

598
00:24:16,660 --> 00:24:19,460
group and we all did a, like a

599
00:24:19,460 --> 00:24:20,980
thing together as couples.

600
00:24:21,100 --> 00:24:23,100
Don't get any ideas, you perverts.

601
00:24:23,940 --> 00:24:25,920
Um, and, uh, it's not, not a key

602
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:26,300
party.

603
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,800
Uh, in the basket, throw it in the

604
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:28,960
basket.

605
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:29,760
Throw it in the basket.

606
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:35,140
And so I stupidly, I said, Hey, you

607
00:24:35,140 --> 00:24:37,140
know, we should, we have a, a text

608
00:24:37,140 --> 00:24:38,500
group for the men and a text group

609
00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:38,960
for the women.

610
00:24:39,100 --> 00:24:40,140
I'm like, no, that's dumb.

611
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:41,420
Let's just have one text group.

612
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:42,480
Dumb.

613
00:24:42,620 --> 00:24:44,400
I was a big mistake on my part

614
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,560
because...

615
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:46,460
You're the green bubble.

616
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,520
Well, I love being the green bubble and

617
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:49,820
ruining it for all of a sudden it's

618
00:24:49,820 --> 00:24:51,240
like, Hey, there's two groups now.

619
00:24:51,380 --> 00:24:52,580
How did that happen?

620
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:53,360
Like, that's me.

621
00:24:53,900 --> 00:24:54,980
That's my green bubble.

622
00:24:55,820 --> 00:24:59,920
Um, but you know, so the women they're

623
00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:03,500
always posting stuff like pictures and memes.

624
00:25:03,700 --> 00:25:05,240
And so I had to silence it.

625
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:06,940
First of all, like, ah, I can read

626
00:25:06,940 --> 00:25:08,360
this once a day and just catch up

627
00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:09,200
and see what's going on.

628
00:25:09,500 --> 00:25:12,500
But then one of the women posted a

629
00:25:12,500 --> 00:25:14,000
song like, listen to this girl.

630
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,020
She's phenomenal.

631
00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:16,160
Sing sister.

632
00:25:16,660 --> 00:25:18,180
Um, you know, click on it.

633
00:25:18,620 --> 00:25:20,080
And I knew it right away.

634
00:25:20,140 --> 00:25:22,020
I knew it was going on right away.

635
00:25:22,020 --> 00:25:22,520
AI.

636
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,840
AI from Spotify.

637
00:25:26,020 --> 00:25:28,760
And, and, and all the women are like,

638
00:25:28,860 --> 00:25:29,640
this is great.

639
00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:30,580
This is fantastic.

640
00:25:30,780 --> 00:25:32,800
And then, you know, actually Tina jumped in

641
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:33,920
and said, this is AI.

642
00:25:34,380 --> 00:25:35,660
And then they all hated it.

643
00:25:36,660 --> 00:25:40,240
And I'm like, wow, this is really interesting.

644
00:25:41,300 --> 00:25:43,220
So you really loved it.

645
00:25:43,300 --> 00:25:44,360
You love the singer.

646
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,260
Uh, you, you love the song.

647
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:48,760
You loved everything about it.

648
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,840
You're everyone's hearting it heart, heart, heart, heart,

649
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,020
heart, boom emojis.

650
00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:54,000
But then the minute you hear it's AI,

651
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,740
oh, I'm so disappointed.

652
00:25:56,740 --> 00:25:58,040
But why did they like that?

653
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,440
So the question is, why did they like

654
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:01,340
it to begin with?

655
00:26:01,460 --> 00:26:02,340
They liked it.

656
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:03,500
I mean, that's why.

657
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,640
I mean, why do people like artificial flavoring?

658
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,780
I mean, you know, I don't, I don't

659
00:26:08,780 --> 00:26:09,460
think that's the case.

660
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,300
I think they like it that they liked

661
00:26:12,300 --> 00:26:17,100
that song because they, because in their mind,

662
00:26:17,220 --> 00:26:22,720
they envisioned a human being who was able

663
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,720
to accomplish something amazing.

664
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:25,940
No, I understand that.

665
00:26:26,260 --> 00:26:27,800
But when they found out that it was

666
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,840
a lie, they were robbed of their joy.

667
00:26:31,740 --> 00:26:32,060
Yes.

668
00:26:32,540 --> 00:26:34,840
So why, but because it was never about

669
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:35,700
the song itself.

670
00:26:35,700 --> 00:26:37,840
It was about what the human behind the

671
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,820
song was a bill was able to produce,

672
00:26:39,900 --> 00:26:42,140
but the world is fake and gay.

673
00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:43,580
Everything is imaginary.

674
00:26:44,260 --> 00:26:46,420
When one person reads a book, they have

675
00:26:46,420 --> 00:26:48,540
images in their head and it's fantastic.

676
00:26:48,700 --> 00:26:50,180
And the other person goes, it sucks.

677
00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:52,900
And I'm not drawing a conclusion.

678
00:26:53,540 --> 00:26:57,360
I'm just pointing out that somebody really loved

679
00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:59,300
a piece of quote unquote art.

680
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:01,660
And then when they were told that was

681
00:27:01,660 --> 00:27:02,840
AI, they didn't.

682
00:27:03,300 --> 00:27:05,600
And all I saw was disappointment.

683
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,320
And I'm like, well, that's interesting.

684
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,720
They really loved it until they found out

685
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:10,160
was AI.

686
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,240
And then it sucked.

687
00:27:12,300 --> 00:27:14,340
Whereas they might've sung along to it in

688
00:27:14,340 --> 00:27:16,360
the car, they'd be dancing to it.

689
00:27:16,980 --> 00:27:18,360
So if you found out that, if you

690
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:21,000
found out, is it less valid?

691
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:22,960
Yeah.

692
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:23,680
Yeah.

693
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:24,500
It's less valid.

694
00:27:24,820 --> 00:27:25,400
A hundred percent.

695
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:26,000
It's less valid.

696
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,180
If you found out that, um, Usain Bolt

697
00:27:30,180 --> 00:27:33,600
was a, was a robot and not a

698
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:34,100
real human.

699
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:34,520
Yeah.

700
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,360
That would be like, lots of children would

701
00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:41,160
be disappointed because they, they feel because it's,

702
00:27:42,540 --> 00:27:45,440
that's a false dichotomy.

703
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,060
I think it's right on equivalency.

704
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,200
I don't, I think it's a monochotomy.

705
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,340
I think it's absolutely on point.

706
00:27:53,500 --> 00:27:57,220
Well, anyway, let us please immediately draft an

707
00:27:57,220 --> 00:27:59,500
AI tag to get it out of TXT,

708
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,340
make it official and end the conversation already.

709
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,620
And, and, and no rules.

710
00:28:06,220 --> 00:28:08,980
If you feel that your content is explicit,

711
00:28:09,540 --> 00:28:11,180
check the explicit box.

712
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,440
If you feel your content is AI, if

713
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,820
you feel like you're cheating the listener, then

714
00:28:17,820 --> 00:28:18,800
click the box.

715
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,180
Well, I think this doesn't have the, the

716
00:28:22,180 --> 00:28:24,960
pro the examples that have been brought up

717
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,900
so far that that we're kind of throwing

718
00:28:26,900 --> 00:28:27,920
back and forth.

719
00:28:28,340 --> 00:28:30,380
I don't think is really the point.

720
00:28:31,260 --> 00:28:32,480
Now it may be that that may be

721
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,120
the point from something like Wavelake's side, where

722
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:37,480
they feel like they're just getting overwhelmed by

723
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:38,720
AI produced content.

724
00:28:39,380 --> 00:28:41,500
Now that, that, that might be their issue,

725
00:28:41,860 --> 00:28:45,600
but I think the issue that RSS.com

726
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:50,340
finally had to take an action on, and

727
00:28:50,340 --> 00:28:55,600
I believe that this will also spread to

728
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,680
other hosting companies, especially ones that have a

729
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,220
pure free tier and not just a free

730
00:29:00,220 --> 00:29:00,640
trial.

731
00:29:01,420 --> 00:29:05,660
I think that the impetus behind this is

732
00:29:05,660 --> 00:29:09,300
that if you take away the financial incentive,

733
00:29:09,300 --> 00:29:13,260
then the slop goes away.

734
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,120
Not, not, not completely, but okay.

735
00:29:17,300 --> 00:29:17,780
Right there.

736
00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:22,000
Define slop for me.

737
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,520
The, I can't, it's like defining porn.

738
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:26,000
Thank you.

739
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,340
But I agree, but what I'm, but, but

740
00:29:29,340 --> 00:29:31,700
from there, but let me, I don't have

741
00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:36,720
to define it to, to describe the process

742
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,700
that is happening because what a good, a

743
00:29:40,700 --> 00:29:43,560
good example of this is if you look

744
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,660
up in the index beta Finch, it's two

745
00:29:46,660 --> 00:29:50,100
words, beta and then space Finch, F-I

746
00:29:50,100 --> 00:29:50,820
-N-C-H.

747
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:57,940
This is a AI generated podcast of earnings

748
00:29:57,940 --> 00:29:58,360
calls.

749
00:30:00,940 --> 00:30:03,520
And let's, let's have a listen.

750
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:04,960
Oh, there's a whole bunch of them.

751
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,580
Oh, there's different languages.

752
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:07,240
Okay.

753
00:30:07,380 --> 00:30:10,380
So we have, all right, let's just listen

754
00:30:10,380 --> 00:30:10,880
for a second.

755
00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:13,400
Am I going to get an ad?

756
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,520
At Arizona State University, we're bringing you world

757
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:16,140
-class education.

758
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,900
SpendQuest is a free to play social.

759
00:30:18,060 --> 00:30:19,080
Payment purposes only.

760
00:30:19,780 --> 00:30:22,520
Nothing we discuss should be considered investment advice.

761
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,040
Always do your own research and consult a

762
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,580
qualified financial advisor before making any investment decisions.

763
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:30,700
Thanks, Alex.

764
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:31,580
And wow.

765
00:30:31,820 --> 00:30:33,420
Where do we start with these numbers?

766
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,500
Broadcom just delivered what might be the most

767
00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:36,780
job.

768
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:37,280
Okay.

769
00:30:37,420 --> 00:30:37,800
All right.

770
00:30:37,900 --> 00:30:38,780
So I got you.

771
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:39,080
Yeah.

772
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:39,400
Yeah.

773
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:40,560
You, you get the feel for it.

774
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:41,220
Yeah.

775
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,220
And so this is an example of what

776
00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:48,880
Inception AI is doing, Inception Point, all the,

777
00:30:49,260 --> 00:30:50,880
these, these are popping up all over the

778
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:51,240
place.

779
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:57,080
You create a, an AI podcast of some

780
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,100
publicly available information.

781
00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:01,960
Like with Inception Point AI, a lot of

782
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,020
times it's just Wikipedia and stuff like that.

783
00:31:04,540 --> 00:31:06,780
Take those, take those things, shove it in,

784
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,100
create a podcast, stick it up on Spreaker

785
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:12,860
or some other free tier dynamic ad insertion

786
00:31:12,860 --> 00:31:13,420
platform.

787
00:31:14,180 --> 00:31:16,980
And then you just get the Delta.

788
00:31:17,780 --> 00:31:18,140
Yeah.

789
00:31:18,220 --> 00:31:19,160
Of the, of the ads.

790
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:19,660
That's right.

791
00:31:19,780 --> 00:31:21,100
That's a business model.

792
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:22,540
It is the business.

793
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,940
It is, but it's not hurting my life.

794
00:31:25,340 --> 00:31:25,820
Sure.

795
00:31:25,940 --> 00:31:27,900
But, but I'm saying, but, but you're not

796
00:31:27,900 --> 00:31:29,480
the target for this tag.

797
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,020
The target for this tag is the platforms

798
00:31:34,020 --> 00:31:34,720
themselves.

799
00:31:35,140 --> 00:31:35,420
No, no.

800
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,400
I'm going to tell, what, what, what platforms?

801
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,940
Spreaker, RSS.com, the platforms that have a

802
00:31:41,940 --> 00:31:42,460
free tier.

803
00:31:42,620 --> 00:31:43,540
Host, hosting, hosting companies.

804
00:31:44,060 --> 00:31:46,220
Hosting companies with a free tier, because what

805
00:31:46,220 --> 00:31:47,640
they will, what they will do is they

806
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,420
will put into their terms of service.

807
00:31:49,540 --> 00:31:51,300
We're going to tag your content.

808
00:31:51,820 --> 00:31:54,180
If you don't tag your content, we'll throw

809
00:31:54,180 --> 00:31:54,300
you off.

810
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,820
No, what, no, I guarantee you that's not

811
00:31:56,820 --> 00:31:57,560
what's going to happen.

812
00:31:58,220 --> 00:32:00,760
What's going to happen is we, this, and

813
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,120
this, I think is what it comes down

814
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:02,320
to.

815
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,120
I'm not saying anyone is thinking this per

816
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,860
se, but I see into the future.

817
00:32:09,060 --> 00:32:11,900
Usually about 10 years into the future.

818
00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:13,500
This is why I'm not a billionaire.

819
00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:14,800
This is true.

820
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:16,560
So hold on a second.

821
00:32:16,780 --> 00:32:19,380
Let me, uh, where's my harp?

822
00:32:20,460 --> 00:32:22,000
Oh, I'm supposed to have a harp.

823
00:32:23,380 --> 00:32:24,140
Oh, man.

824
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:25,020
Oh, here we go.

825
00:32:25,180 --> 00:32:25,460
Harp.

826
00:32:25,660 --> 00:32:26,580
Seeing into the future.

827
00:32:31,820 --> 00:32:35,140
Platforms, as you call them, hosting companies will

828
00:32:35,140 --> 00:32:36,140
auto tag.

829
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,780
That is where this is headed.

830
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,240
They may not do it now, but they're

831
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,160
going to auto tag everything with AI.

832
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:49,040
And I think that is inherently dangerous to

833
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,200
go down that road because then with AI

834
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,240
itself, you can start auto tagging all kinds

835
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:56,920
of content.

836
00:32:57,380 --> 00:33:00,340
It may start with categories first, but then,

837
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,640
and, um, then it will go to, um,

838
00:33:03,860 --> 00:33:06,460
language, certain terms.

839
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,940
This is, this is a dark road.

840
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,200
Let me come back from 10 years.

841
00:33:11,340 --> 00:33:12,040
Let me just come back.

842
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:13,240
Yeah, come on back.

843
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,260
I can barely see you right now.

844
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:16,760
I don't know why it's here.

845
00:33:19,620 --> 00:33:20,360
There we go.

846
00:33:21,460 --> 00:33:25,680
That's because that's ultimately what advertisers and the

847
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,320
podcast industrial complex want is for the hosting

848
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:34,000
companies to auto tag AI quote unquote slop.

849
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,400
And even that under what you're saying is

850
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:39,940
fair game.

851
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:40,740
It's tagged.

852
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,880
That's fine because I still may check it

853
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:43,160
out.

854
00:33:43,660 --> 00:33:45,760
You know, I'm not going to be thwarted

855
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,400
by it because like, oh, it makes sense.

856
00:33:47,580 --> 00:33:50,540
You know, a, a daily podcast about the

857
00:33:50,540 --> 00:33:53,460
S and P 500, the top 10 specifically

858
00:33:53,460 --> 00:33:54,360
in my language.

859
00:33:54,660 --> 00:33:55,000
Yeah.

860
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:55,340
Yeah.

861
00:33:55,380 --> 00:33:57,620
Maybe it's a AI, but I'll listen to

862
00:33:57,620 --> 00:33:57,820
it.

863
00:33:57,820 --> 00:34:01,080
I'll subscribe to it, but it's the beginning.

864
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,540
And once, once the systems are in place,

865
00:34:04,540 --> 00:34:06,400
then it's going to be used for other

866
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:06,680
stuff.

867
00:34:06,780 --> 00:34:08,020
You know how this works.

868
00:34:08,699 --> 00:34:09,260
I disagree.

869
00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:13,480
And it's probably, it's probably surprising that I

870
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,480
do because I, I generally, I generally am

871
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:20,940
amenable to the idea that there is a

872
00:34:20,940 --> 00:34:23,760
slippery slope with cat with categorizing content.

873
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,199
But the reason I disagree in this case

874
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:29,719
is because we've had the explicit tag around

875
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,860
forever and they've never auto tag.

876
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,060
So what you know, but what you're saying

877
00:34:34,060 --> 00:34:36,520
is, cause let me just, let me just

878
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:37,520
go back to your argument.

879
00:34:37,940 --> 00:34:38,460
Okay.

880
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,320
That it is the hosting companies who have

881
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,560
free tiers who are pissed off.

882
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,219
I'm just, I'm using that as a term,

883
00:34:47,300 --> 00:34:50,600
maybe wrong that people are using their free

884
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,719
tier to make little bits of money at

885
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:54,159
a time.

886
00:34:55,420 --> 00:34:56,900
No basis of it.

887
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,320
No, I don't think that they're pissed off

888
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,700
about that because if they sell it, but

889
00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:03,720
I don't think they're pissed off about that.

890
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,160
I think that there is a fear that,

891
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:13,840
that, that the X, that the exploitation here's

892
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,940
look, this is the way I see it

893
00:35:15,940 --> 00:35:18,600
as best I can tell, and I could

894
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,660
be completely wrong, but this is the vision

895
00:35:20,660 --> 00:35:22,400
I have in my mind of, of the,

896
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,260
of what is happening right now.

897
00:35:24,860 --> 00:35:27,480
And it's this same picture, mental picture that

898
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:27,940
I have.

899
00:35:28,540 --> 00:35:30,820
That is the reason why I said in

900
00:35:30,820 --> 00:35:33,860
December on, uh, on my predictions on the

901
00:35:33,860 --> 00:35:36,780
power show that 2026 was going to be

902
00:35:36,780 --> 00:35:42,580
a complete flood of AI podcast, because you

903
00:35:42,580 --> 00:35:49,100
can imagine that there is, whenever you put

904
00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:53,620
up a podcast from a, there are ways

905
00:35:53,620 --> 00:35:57,660
to get some downloads that are not real.

906
00:35:58,620 --> 00:36:00,700
And what I mean is, I mean, automated,

907
00:36:01,060 --> 00:36:03,700
the IAB specs is, are, they're not perfect.

908
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,980
They cannot filter out all of the, all

909
00:36:05,980 --> 00:36:08,420
of the noise, all of the download noise.

910
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:15,820
And it is also not, um, a coincidence.

911
00:36:16,340 --> 00:36:18,900
It can't be a coincidence that at the

912
00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:21,080
same time we've seen the rise of AI,

913
00:36:22,060 --> 00:36:26,180
of, of dynamic ad insert, insertion supported AI

914
00:36:26,180 --> 00:36:26,620
podcasts.

915
00:36:26,620 --> 00:36:30,280
We've also seen a huge increase in the

916
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,360
number of browser downloads.

917
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,320
These things have come together.

918
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,700
And what I'm saying is that the AI

919
00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:45,260
use of hosting platforms, free tiers through dynamic

920
00:36:45,260 --> 00:36:49,120
ad insertion is taking advantage of the fact

921
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,200
that there are going to be downloads of

922
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,200
shows that are not real, where those are

923
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:55,920
coming from.

924
00:36:56,140 --> 00:36:57,620
I don't want to speculate.

925
00:36:57,860 --> 00:37:00,060
Oh, I have an idea that it'll, because

926
00:37:00,060 --> 00:37:01,280
you are making my point.

927
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,160
I would like to tag every podcast that

928
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,000
comes from a host with a free tier.

929
00:37:10,830 --> 00:37:12,450
No, I would, I've been asking for a

930
00:37:12,450 --> 00:37:13,490
possible jump.

931
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:14,990
Free, free tier.

932
00:37:15,110 --> 00:37:15,350
Yep.

933
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:17,670
No, I've been asking for that.

934
00:37:17,770 --> 00:37:19,830
That's, I've been asking for that for a

935
00:37:19,830 --> 00:37:20,370
long time.

936
00:37:20,490 --> 00:37:22,970
Where's your, where's your pull requests, brother?

937
00:37:23,090 --> 00:37:23,830
Where's your issue?

938
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:25,190
I'll do it.

939
00:37:25,230 --> 00:37:26,050
I'll put it in there.

940
00:37:26,190 --> 00:37:28,570
I think, I think every hosting company that

941
00:37:28,570 --> 00:37:31,990
has a free tier should tag a feed

942
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:35,490
that is free as free tier.

943
00:37:36,730 --> 00:37:39,030
Now that would give me some information like,

944
00:37:39,170 --> 00:37:40,030
oh, this is a freebie.

945
00:37:40,330 --> 00:37:43,370
90% possibility it's crap.

946
00:37:44,010 --> 00:37:46,410
I guarantee you there's a tag proposal from

947
00:37:46,410 --> 00:37:48,670
me in the repo somewhere that with its

948
00:37:48,670 --> 00:37:53,090
exact proposal, it could be found.

949
00:37:54,730 --> 00:37:55,410
Okay.

950
00:37:56,430 --> 00:37:58,730
Because your problem is still monetary.

951
00:37:59,410 --> 00:38:01,110
It's exactly where I started.

952
00:38:01,110 --> 00:38:04,210
The whole problem is we have free tiers

953
00:38:04,210 --> 00:38:05,830
and we have fake downloads.

954
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:08,770
And that is only for the podcast industrial

955
00:38:08,770 --> 00:38:09,370
complex.

956
00:38:09,930 --> 00:38:11,970
A couple of easy ways to stop that.

957
00:38:12,330 --> 00:38:14,250
One, stop giving away free tiers.

958
00:38:15,690 --> 00:38:17,070
It's like logical.

959
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:23,450
But you know, Spotify anchor probably won't do

960
00:38:23,450 --> 00:38:23,790
that.

961
00:38:24,450 --> 00:38:26,870
So maybe we should just label every anchor

962
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:29,150
feed as a free tier possible crap.

963
00:38:30,430 --> 00:38:34,990
Well, the, the, I think from there, the

964
00:38:34,990 --> 00:38:36,550
reason I said that they're not pissed off

965
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:39,490
about it, it's not a matter of being

966
00:38:39,490 --> 00:38:39,990
pissed off.

967
00:38:40,050 --> 00:38:41,690
I think what the issue is, is they,

968
00:38:42,090 --> 00:38:44,450
they are trying to get ahead of the,

969
00:38:44,570 --> 00:38:46,990
of the curve and say, there is abuse

970
00:38:46,990 --> 00:38:47,610
going on here.

971
00:38:47,650 --> 00:38:50,390
Clearly there's some percentage of abuse that's happening.

972
00:38:50,530 --> 00:38:51,830
Oh, it's a, it's a big percentage.

973
00:38:52,010 --> 00:38:54,690
See John Spurlock noticing he's noticing.

974
00:38:55,210 --> 00:38:55,690
Right.

975
00:38:55,690 --> 00:38:59,510
And so if that's the case, you have

976
00:38:59,510 --> 00:39:00,610
to get in front of that.

977
00:39:00,710 --> 00:39:04,650
Otherwise you look, you're not, the advertisers will

978
00:39:04,650 --> 00:39:06,550
stop using the DAI.

979
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:13,930
And the free tier goes away because that's

980
00:39:13,930 --> 00:39:15,050
the only way you can run a free

981
00:39:15,050 --> 00:39:16,450
tier is with ad supported.

982
00:39:16,990 --> 00:39:18,550
Why do they run free tiers?

983
00:39:19,630 --> 00:39:21,290
To get, I think it's to give everybody

984
00:39:21,290 --> 00:39:23,710
access to a bigger, I mean, to.

985
00:39:23,710 --> 00:39:26,590
No, it's to get more with Spotify and

986
00:39:26,590 --> 00:39:26,710
that.

987
00:39:26,850 --> 00:39:29,530
No, no, it's for the advertising.

988
00:39:29,690 --> 00:39:31,770
It's to get people in for free and

989
00:39:31,770 --> 00:39:36,010
then convince them to use your DAI from

990
00:39:36,010 --> 00:39:41,430
megaphone or Libsyn or whatever you're doing to

991
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:43,470
use your inserted ads.

992
00:39:43,790 --> 00:39:46,050
That is, so the problem is self-created.

993
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:50,160
I don't know.

994
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,120
I just, yeah, I just, I think this

995
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:58,220
is a self defense mechanism from, from, from

996
00:39:58,220 --> 00:40:00,760
falling on their own sword, from falling on

997
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:01,500
their own sword.

998
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,600
You give away a free tier to get

999
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,100
people to make some money on advertising.

1000
00:40:06,860 --> 00:40:09,400
And then you're, you're pissed off when people

1001
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:10,400
scam your system.

1002
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,040
And again, I'm not against the tag.

1003
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,740
I'm just saying that's the real problem.

1004
00:40:16,330 --> 00:40:19,160
But I don't, I don't think maybe I'm,

1005
00:40:19,420 --> 00:40:21,700
maybe it sounds like I'm splitting hairs, but

1006
00:40:21,700 --> 00:40:23,660
I don't, I'm really trying not to what

1007
00:40:23,660 --> 00:40:27,560
I don't think it's the hosting platforms that

1008
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:28,320
are pissed off.

1009
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:30,660
And I don't even think it's the ad

1010
00:40:30,660 --> 00:40:33,800
platforms that are pissed off yet, but they're

1011
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:34,700
going to be.

1012
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,660
And I think that is the problem.

1013
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:37,780
Yeah.

1014
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,120
A monetary problem.

1015
00:40:39,420 --> 00:40:42,180
But at some point, somebody has to prove

1016
00:40:42,180 --> 00:40:44,920
that a download is real and you can't.

1017
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,060
And that's the issue.

1018
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,440
No, but it, you get, you get a

1019
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,700
long way when an RSS feed costs at

1020
00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:54,540
least $1 a month.

1021
00:40:56,500 --> 00:40:59,020
You know, this is, and by the way,

1022
00:40:59,020 --> 00:41:01,520
this is, this is nothing new because Bill

1023
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,760
Gates proposed a payment system for email because

1024
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:05,720
it would stop spam.

1025
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:06,960
Of course it would.

1026
00:41:07,420 --> 00:41:08,840
So that's not going to happen.

1027
00:41:09,500 --> 00:41:11,880
You know, so we, we've, we've seen this,

1028
00:41:12,100 --> 00:41:13,640
we've seen this movie before.

1029
00:41:14,340 --> 00:41:18,160
But you cannot convince me that hosting companies

1030
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,440
give away a free tier for no reason.

1031
00:41:20,820 --> 00:41:22,600
They give away a free tier because they

1032
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,080
either have an upsell for real people or

1033
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,180
they have an ad play.

1034
00:41:26,580 --> 00:41:28,780
And I think most of them have an

1035
00:41:28,780 --> 00:41:32,320
ad play and, and, and now they're mad

1036
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,060
that people who they expected people to come

1037
00:41:35,060 --> 00:41:37,520
in, get a free tier, do your, grow

1038
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:38,200
your show.

1039
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,340
I can hear Todd Cochran in my mind,

1040
00:41:40,740 --> 00:41:42,300
grow your show, and then we can help

1041
00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:43,020
you get ads.

1042
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,860
I don't, I just don't think that's, I

1043
00:41:45,860 --> 00:41:48,000
don't think that is the most likely explanation.

1044
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,300
I think the most likely explanation for why

1045
00:41:51,300 --> 00:41:55,540
hosting platforms or hosting companies create free tiers

1046
00:41:55,540 --> 00:41:58,720
is because they're trying to compete with YouTube

1047
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:00,120
and Spotify.

1048
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:01,420
But how?

1049
00:42:01,860 --> 00:42:04,080
Both offer free, free content.

1050
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:05,440
Dave, okay.

1051
00:42:05,740 --> 00:42:08,120
How are you competing by giving something away

1052
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:08,620
for free?

1053
00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:11,040
There's got to be something that they feel

1054
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,040
is in the future.

1055
00:42:12,860 --> 00:42:15,560
Well, no, but you, you, you compete by

1056
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,220
keeping that, by keeping that creator from going

1057
00:42:19,220 --> 00:42:21,000
to a different podcast or from going to

1058
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,140
the other platform.

1059
00:42:22,140 --> 00:42:22,760
Where's the money?

1060
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:24,440
I'm just looking at it from a business.

1061
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:24,780
In the ads.

1062
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:26,340
Oh, oh, okay.

1063
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:27,460
There you go.

1064
00:42:27,620 --> 00:42:29,120
But it's very, it's so little.

1065
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,140
I mean, you're talking about, it's nothing.

1066
00:42:31,620 --> 00:42:33,560
No, but, but this is, this is the

1067
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:33,980
problem.

1068
00:42:34,100 --> 00:42:35,760
I'm just getting to the root of the

1069
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:36,780
problem and thank you.

1070
00:42:37,100 --> 00:42:37,820
We got here.

1071
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,120
The problem, we did.

1072
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,920
The problem is, and Spotify is probably the

1073
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,840
worst offender, is that Spotify has free hosting

1074
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,640
and they have an ad system that you

1075
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,340
can sign up for clickety click.

1076
00:42:52,620 --> 00:42:53,540
I've been, I'm good.

1077
00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:55,820
And so if I can create 10,000

1078
00:42:55,820 --> 00:42:58,500
feeds and I can do at least one

1079
00:42:58,500 --> 00:43:02,500
download of each of those podcasts per day

1080
00:43:02,500 --> 00:43:05,460
with two ads, now I'm making some money.

1081
00:43:05,860 --> 00:43:06,980
That's the problem.

1082
00:43:06,980 --> 00:43:09,420
And so everybody is competing on that same

1083
00:43:09,420 --> 00:43:13,640
playing field by ads and a free tier.

1084
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,520
And they don't want someone else to go

1085
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,060
to that other place because they'll be going

1086
00:43:18,060 --> 00:43:20,120
off of their advertising system.

1087
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,660
And on top of that, it's now being

1088
00:43:23,660 --> 00:43:26,580
gamed because of the weak metric of downloads.

1089
00:43:27,140 --> 00:43:27,940
There's your problem.

1090
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,280
It's not for people to make a choice.

1091
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,200
It's not for, you know, it's not for

1092
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,520
a warning or it's none of that.

1093
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,380
That is the core problem.

1094
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,200
As long as we recognize it, then maybe

1095
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,060
we can really get some real solutions in

1096
00:43:43,060 --> 00:43:47,500
place because I find it incredibly important that

1097
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:52,160
we protect podcasting from overflow.

1098
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,980
There's all kinds of things, but look at

1099
00:43:54,980 --> 00:43:56,760
where the problem is coming from.

1100
00:43:58,700 --> 00:44:01,120
You know, so you have companies who are

1101
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,800
creating the problem and then want an industry

1102
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,220
-wide solution, which is not actually the root

1103
00:44:06,220 --> 00:44:07,000
of the problem.

1104
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,680
I mean, it is going to fix it.

1105
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:12,840
It will fix the problem.

1106
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:13,940
How will it fix it?

1107
00:44:13,980 --> 00:44:16,320
It won't fix browsers downloading that stuff.

1108
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,420
Look, I'll tell you exactly how to fix

1109
00:44:18,420 --> 00:44:18,580
it.

1110
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:23,380
Because if, and here's the sequence of events.

1111
00:44:25,140 --> 00:44:28,060
The hosting company with a free tier changes

1112
00:44:28,060 --> 00:44:31,560
their terms of service to say, if you

1113
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,700
produce a show entirely from AI, soup to

1114
00:44:35,700 --> 00:44:39,320
nuts, the whole thing is AI, you must

1115
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,100
tag it as such when you post.

1116
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:43,980
Why would they do that?

1117
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,200
But, but, but, but here, but hear me

1118
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:46,420
out.

1119
00:44:46,660 --> 00:44:49,440
They changed their terms to say, you must

1120
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:50,160
do that.

1121
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,460
And that way, if you don't, they will

1122
00:44:53,460 --> 00:44:54,740
kick you off the platform.

1123
00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:58,440
And then that flows through to the advertiser.

1124
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,620
And the advertiser can choose, can make a

1125
00:45:01,620 --> 00:45:04,360
check mark in the ad server that says,

1126
00:45:04,620 --> 00:45:06,660
I do not want my ads served in

1127
00:45:06,660 --> 00:45:08,240
any AI-tagged packets.

1128
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:08,540
Okay.

1129
00:45:08,740 --> 00:45:09,080
Okay.

1130
00:45:09,260 --> 00:45:11,140
So let me just run that back for

1131
00:45:11,140 --> 00:45:11,660
you.

1132
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:16,520
So, because people are being disingenuous and that's,

1133
00:45:16,740 --> 00:45:18,140
this is just trying to get to the

1134
00:45:18,140 --> 00:45:19,140
bottom of what's going on.

1135
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,080
So, and I think you're probably right.

1136
00:45:22,180 --> 00:45:24,820
The idea is, because you've said terms of

1137
00:45:24,820 --> 00:45:26,040
service three times now.

1138
00:45:26,670 --> 00:45:29,380
The idea is we make it look like

1139
00:45:29,380 --> 00:45:31,640
this is a big industry push because people

1140
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,480
don't want AI slop, but really we want

1141
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,600
to change our terms of service to say,

1142
00:45:38,740 --> 00:45:40,980
if you don't, if you are producing an

1143
00:45:40,980 --> 00:45:44,540
AI podcast, whatever that means, and you don't

1144
00:45:44,540 --> 00:45:46,600
tag it, we will auto tag it.

1145
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:48,180
So you won't get ads.

1146
00:45:48,500 --> 00:45:50,140
I don't think they'll auto tag it.

1147
00:45:50,180 --> 00:45:51,220
I think they'll just kick them off the

1148
00:45:51,220 --> 00:45:51,540
platform.

1149
00:45:51,700 --> 00:45:52,600
Oh, kick them off the platform.

1150
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:53,140
Remove it.

1151
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:53,400
Okay.

1152
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:54,280
They'll just remove it.

1153
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,880
And, and that helps their bottom line.

1154
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:57,420
How?

1155
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,760
The thing is, it's a scam.

1156
00:45:59,900 --> 00:46:02,080
Everybody knows downloads is a scam.

1157
00:46:02,900 --> 00:46:03,840
Well, yeah, totally.

1158
00:46:04,180 --> 00:46:08,200
So, but the same way Spotify, Spotify, if

1159
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,680
you, they have the free anchor tier.

1160
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,640
And if you, if you post music on

1161
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,340
there, they will just remove you.

1162
00:46:15,500 --> 00:46:16,520
They kick you off immediately.

1163
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:16,880
Sure.

1164
00:46:17,140 --> 00:46:18,080
It's against their terms of service.

1165
00:46:18,300 --> 00:46:18,840
And why?

1166
00:46:19,100 --> 00:46:22,180
Because they have financial deals with music.

1167
00:46:22,540 --> 00:46:24,020
Right, right.

1168
00:46:24,020 --> 00:46:26,040
It's a very, it's all financial.

1169
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,460
But I don't, I don't think it's all

1170
00:46:28,460 --> 00:46:29,380
financial though.

1171
00:46:29,620 --> 00:46:31,420
I think, I think life is financial.

1172
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:32,920
Sure.

1173
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,860
But in, in that sense, and, but I'm

1174
00:46:34,860 --> 00:46:37,040
saying, I think it's too, there's, there's a

1175
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,320
dual reason here.

1176
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,300
Yes, financial for sure.

1177
00:46:41,940 --> 00:46:46,260
Not arguing that at all, but also the

1178
00:46:46,260 --> 00:46:50,060
people do not like the AI slop just

1179
00:46:50,060 --> 00:46:52,600
in the boardroom while we've been talking.

1180
00:46:52,740 --> 00:46:56,160
We've had multiple comments saying that's crap, you

1181
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:56,340
know.

1182
00:46:56,500 --> 00:47:00,120
Okay, stop, stop, stop, stop right there.

1183
00:47:01,340 --> 00:47:05,000
Because I produce a lot of AI content

1184
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,900
and I do not get that pushback.

1185
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,700
You're, you're making, you're making a determination about

1186
00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:16,640
the, the world of audience in general, based

1187
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:17,660
upon the boardroom.

1188
00:47:17,660 --> 00:47:20,960
I play end of show mixes on the

1189
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:21,900
no agenda show.

1190
00:47:21,980 --> 00:47:24,760
And I play those three mixes before we

1191
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,820
start the show is for people to kind

1192
00:47:26,820 --> 00:47:28,140
of get into the mood.

1193
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,320
And all the troll room does is AI

1194
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,980
slop, AI minus, minus, AI minus, minus, it

1195
00:47:35,980 --> 00:47:37,740
hurts me up.

1196
00:47:38,020 --> 00:47:39,520
You know who doesn't complain?

1197
00:47:40,060 --> 00:47:41,020
The listeners.

1198
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,180
Not one, not once have I received an

1199
00:47:44,180 --> 00:47:46,780
email from somebody saying, wow, those songs at

1200
00:47:46,780 --> 00:47:48,580
the end of the show, they really suck.

1201
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:49,660
Not once.

1202
00:47:52,260 --> 00:47:55,700
The most recent, I love arguing with you,

1203
00:47:55,740 --> 00:47:56,860
by the way, it's probably one of my

1204
00:47:56,860 --> 00:47:58,540
favorite things to do on a Friday.

1205
00:47:59,300 --> 00:48:01,940
I love you so much that you are,

1206
00:48:02,220 --> 00:48:04,180
you are just, it's too bad John C.

1207
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:05,580
Dvorak is going to pull through.

1208
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:09,280
You would have been great.

1209
00:48:09,620 --> 00:48:11,200
You would have been great for no agenda.

1210
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,820
So stay healthy just in case.

1211
00:48:15,460 --> 00:48:16,000
I'm good.

1212
00:48:16,060 --> 00:48:16,600
I got your back.

1213
00:48:18,180 --> 00:48:22,760
The most recent head of the Microsoft recently

1214
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:27,120
announced a new quote CEO of their Xbox

1215
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:27,660
division.

1216
00:48:28,180 --> 00:48:31,920
They kicked the old guy out and they

1217
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,960
brought in this lady who used to be

1218
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,500
the head of or used to be like

1219
00:48:35,500 --> 00:48:37,180
the CFO or something of Shopify.

1220
00:48:38,540 --> 00:48:40,140
It caused a huge uproar.

1221
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,160
Everybody, you know, everybody's like, she's not a

1222
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:42,460
gamer.

1223
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:44,280
All the gamer people are mad.

1224
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,860
But one of the things she said when

1225
00:48:46,860 --> 00:48:48,880
she first got there, because there's this big

1226
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,780
debate right now in hardcore gamers, and these

1227
00:48:51,780 --> 00:48:55,140
are techie people, there's a huge debate right

1228
00:48:55,140 --> 00:48:58,340
now in the gaming world about whether AI

1229
00:48:58,340 --> 00:49:00,220
should be in games or not.

1230
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,620
Now I could care less.

1231
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,420
I'm not into the gaming stuff, but that

1232
00:49:06,420 --> 00:49:08,480
is a huge debate that's going on.

1233
00:49:08,540 --> 00:49:10,460
Some people hate it.

1234
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,320
And she made that she one of the

1235
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,020
first things she said when she came, she

1236
00:49:16,020 --> 00:49:17,600
said a bunch of things that first day,

1237
00:49:17,660 --> 00:49:20,200
but she made a very clear statement.

1238
00:49:20,460 --> 00:49:23,440
We are not going to put a bunch

1239
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,540
of AI slop in our games.

1240
00:49:25,940 --> 00:49:27,420
OK, those were her words.

1241
00:49:27,500 --> 00:49:30,960
OK, and what my point by saying that

1242
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,860
is she would not say that if there

1243
00:49:35,860 --> 00:49:38,840
was not a real thing in real in

1244
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,840
the real world with a mass number of

1245
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:41,280
people.

1246
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,360
That AI slop.

1247
00:49:45,060 --> 00:49:49,460
Is a is a problem, but what you're

1248
00:49:49,460 --> 00:49:52,440
saying you produce, you produce, you said you

1249
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,600
said I produce a lot of AI content

1250
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:55,520
and nobody complains.

1251
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:00,160
That's different from what is colloquially referred to

1252
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:01,520
as AI slop.

1253
00:50:01,860 --> 00:50:02,460
Is it?

1254
00:50:03,020 --> 00:50:03,720
It is.

1255
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,160
You find that that S&P report to

1256
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:06,640
be slop.

1257
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,580
You brought it up as an example and

1258
00:50:08,580 --> 00:50:10,780
you said this is you didn't say it,

1259
00:50:10,860 --> 00:50:13,180
but you implied that that was AI slop.

1260
00:50:14,180 --> 00:50:16,680
I what I said was this is an

1261
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,380
example of what AI slop means in the

1262
00:50:20,380 --> 00:50:23,280
boardroom immediately said, yeah, but that's slop.

1263
00:50:23,500 --> 00:50:26,320
But but no, I think that that is

1264
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:27,960
just saying it's an AI voice.

1265
00:50:28,060 --> 00:50:28,820
It's AI produced.

1266
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,180
It doesn't take away from the validity of

1267
00:50:32,180 --> 00:50:34,120
people wanting to consume that.

1268
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:35,760
There is never said it did.

1269
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,400
But OK, so anything with an AI voice

1270
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:40,100
is slop.

1271
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,400
Let's just know I would never say that.

1272
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:43,280
Well, I would never.

1273
00:50:43,380 --> 00:50:45,220
But just like you said, I'll know it's

1274
00:50:45,220 --> 00:50:46,180
porn when I see it.

1275
00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:49,620
There is no CEO of podcasting.

1276
00:50:50,220 --> 00:50:51,680
Again, I'm going to I'm going to I

1277
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,200
want to move away from that part of

1278
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,900
the conversation back to the core of the

1279
00:50:55,900 --> 00:50:56,300
problem.

1280
00:50:56,580 --> 00:50:58,740
But wait, before you move away, though, let

1281
00:50:58,740 --> 00:51:00,440
me I think I think this is I

1282
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:01,940
think this is pretty critical, though.

1283
00:51:03,620 --> 00:51:06,680
The there is a percent and because this

1284
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,560
is what I'm saying, this is why I

1285
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,280
say I don't think it's purely a financial

1286
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:10,720
motive.

1287
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:15,960
There is a perception in the real world

1288
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,520
that there is that the that the Internet

1289
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,220
is being flooded with low quality AI generated

1290
00:51:23,220 --> 00:51:23,820
content.

1291
00:51:23,940 --> 00:51:24,380
Yes.

1292
00:51:24,780 --> 00:51:27,680
And that that is a problem and because

1293
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,180
people don't like it.

1294
00:51:30,180 --> 00:51:34,020
Now, how you define it, I that's complicated,

1295
00:51:34,020 --> 00:51:37,060
but it is a very real perception.

1296
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,960
And I think that's why companies also want

1297
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,220
to tag it, because they don't want their

1298
00:51:43,220 --> 00:51:46,900
plat, their brand to be associated with what

1299
00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:49,000
other people perceive as slop.

1300
00:51:49,140 --> 00:51:50,140
OK, OK.

1301
00:51:50,340 --> 00:51:54,850
So one man's slop is another man's porn.

1302
00:52:02,610 --> 00:52:04,790
So just to go back to the core,

1303
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:07,270
because you really laid it out and I

1304
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:09,530
understood it and I don't want to be

1305
00:52:09,530 --> 00:52:14,090
distracted because, yes, when I look at my

1306
00:52:14,090 --> 00:52:18,210
X timeline, I know that there's bots producing

1307
00:52:18,210 --> 00:52:20,370
slop and I know that they're they're doing

1308
00:52:20,370 --> 00:52:23,310
all kinds of stuff to to get me

1309
00:52:23,310 --> 00:52:24,090
to interact.

1310
00:52:24,190 --> 00:52:25,270
And then the bot grows.

1311
00:52:25,410 --> 00:52:26,650
I understand that.

1312
00:52:27,050 --> 00:52:28,970
And there is the concept of the dead

1313
00:52:28,970 --> 00:52:30,450
Internet is very real.

1314
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:35,110
And we've had bots, bots slop on email

1315
00:52:35,110 --> 00:52:36,690
for four years, really.

1316
00:52:36,830 --> 00:52:37,910
It's only getting worse.

1317
00:52:38,970 --> 00:52:42,830
The minute you remove the why we need

1318
00:52:42,830 --> 00:52:44,710
to look at the financial incentives.

1319
00:52:45,330 --> 00:52:47,430
Why is there still email spam?

1320
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:49,830
Because a percentage of it works.

1321
00:52:50,330 --> 00:52:53,590
And whether it's a scam or whether it's

1322
00:52:53,590 --> 00:52:55,930
an ad or whether it's to get someone

1323
00:52:55,930 --> 00:52:56,830
to donate.

1324
00:52:59,540 --> 00:53:05,310
What has happened with email has significantly impacted,

1325
00:53:05,650 --> 00:53:08,250
just as an example, the No Agenda newsletter,

1326
00:53:08,510 --> 00:53:11,670
because now AI is scanning everything and is

1327
00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:12,670
making decisions.

1328
00:53:13,130 --> 00:53:13,990
This is slop.

1329
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:16,710
This newsletter from these guys is slop.

1330
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:19,130
Of course, it's not correct because the people

1331
00:53:19,130 --> 00:53:21,470
who subscribe to it want to receive it.

1332
00:53:21,590 --> 00:53:23,070
It gets thrown to junk.

1333
00:53:23,170 --> 00:53:24,510
It gets thrown to promotions.

1334
00:53:25,290 --> 00:53:28,130
It gets there's a different determination, whatever the

1335
00:53:28,130 --> 00:53:30,030
temperature in the data center is, and the

1336
00:53:30,030 --> 00:53:32,250
AI makes a different decision.

1337
00:53:35,210 --> 00:53:39,730
Go to the financial incentives of slop.

1338
00:53:40,050 --> 00:53:42,750
I'll use your word slop in podcasting.

1339
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:44,890
It is a financial incentive.

1340
00:53:45,770 --> 00:53:48,470
So remove the financial incentive.

1341
00:53:48,850 --> 00:53:50,750
The problem will go away.

1342
00:53:51,310 --> 00:53:56,130
The financial incentive has been triggered by free

1343
00:53:56,130 --> 00:53:59,550
podcast hosting from one company, Spotify.

1344
00:54:00,070 --> 00:54:02,350
That's who everybody's competing with.

1345
00:54:02,910 --> 00:54:03,930
That's the problem.

1346
00:54:04,070 --> 00:54:05,530
That is the core problem.

1347
00:54:05,930 --> 00:54:09,350
So I declare a fatwa and jihad on

1348
00:54:09,350 --> 00:54:09,890
Spotify.

1349
00:54:10,170 --> 00:54:11,510
Blow up their data centers.

1350
00:54:12,330 --> 00:54:14,370
Whoa, sorry.

1351
00:54:14,370 --> 00:54:15,870
I went out of control.

1352
00:54:16,330 --> 00:54:17,810
That wasn't really me.

1353
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:21,890
And at the bottom of the core of

1354
00:54:21,890 --> 00:54:25,890
the problem is we have a crap measurement

1355
00:54:25,890 --> 00:54:27,970
system that everybody knows.

1356
00:54:28,250 --> 00:54:29,950
Everybody knew it was phony.

1357
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:32,330
We all had to, not we, but the

1358
00:54:32,330 --> 00:54:35,970
whole industry had to give money back to

1359
00:54:35,970 --> 00:54:39,770
advertisers when we had the iOS 17 apocalypse.

1360
00:54:40,570 --> 00:54:41,790
And oh, I'm sorry.

1361
00:54:41,950 --> 00:54:43,490
Oh, well, we didn't know.

1362
00:54:43,490 --> 00:54:46,070
We didn't really understand that the downloads were

1363
00:54:46,070 --> 00:54:47,530
phony and people were listening.

1364
00:54:47,850 --> 00:54:49,390
You all know it.

1365
00:54:49,850 --> 00:54:51,470
Come up with a better system.

1366
00:54:51,630 --> 00:54:54,070
Instead of spending an hour talking about this,

1367
00:54:54,330 --> 00:54:56,110
let's come up with a better system.

1368
00:54:56,370 --> 00:54:58,930
Oh, you don't actually want to because when

1369
00:54:58,930 --> 00:55:01,370
the truth comes out about how many people

1370
00:55:01,370 --> 00:55:03,810
are actually listening, you're going to be poor

1371
00:55:03,810 --> 00:55:04,270
again.

1372
00:55:06,900 --> 00:55:09,260
This goes back to the story that I

1373
00:55:09,260 --> 00:55:14,520
heard from a hosting company where they saw

1374
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,740
spikes in their in downloads for a particular

1375
00:55:17,740 --> 00:55:18,180
show.

1376
00:55:20,340 --> 00:55:25,320
And contacted that show saying this, you know,

1377
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:30,540
some of your downloads are show abnormal behavior

1378
00:55:30,540 --> 00:55:33,020
like it looks, we just want you to

1379
00:55:33,020 --> 00:55:34,300
know, I don't, we don't know what's going

1380
00:55:34,300 --> 00:55:37,080
on, but it looks like it'll go up,

1381
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:38,760
then it'll fall off, then up, then fall

1382
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:39,360
off and bug.

1383
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,100
Come to find out they were using a

1384
00:55:42,100 --> 00:55:46,420
traffic generation company.

1385
00:55:47,900 --> 00:55:50,740
And the way that that company works and

1386
00:55:50,740 --> 00:55:53,620
they, they advertise as being able to boost

1387
00:55:53,620 --> 00:55:56,860
your rankings in Apple podcasts and the way

1388
00:55:56,860 --> 00:55:59,300
that this company works is they will use

1389
00:55:59,300 --> 00:56:02,540
all kinds of click banners in mobile games

1390
00:56:02,540 --> 00:56:05,140
and that kind of thing to get to

1391
00:56:05,140 --> 00:56:07,900
incentivize people to go and follow you in

1392
00:56:07,900 --> 00:56:08,800
Apple podcasts.

1393
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,460
Which gives you a temporary bump in your

1394
00:56:11,460 --> 00:56:11,980
traffic.

1395
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:15,340
These are people that never intend to listen

1396
00:56:15,340 --> 00:56:16,020
to your podcast.

1397
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:17,860
They don't give a crap about your podcast.

1398
00:56:18,620 --> 00:56:21,060
They are just there to get their next

1399
00:56:21,060 --> 00:56:22,920
loot crate in their mobile game or whatever

1400
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:23,520
this is.

1401
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,700
And so from that standpoint, this it's non

1402
00:56:26,700 --> 00:56:29,840
-organic, it's a temporary bump.

1403
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:35,520
And there was a, there was an agency

1404
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,020
that was helping this show.

1405
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,300
And they, when the hosting company explained, you

1406
00:56:42,300 --> 00:56:43,860
know, Hey, these aren't real users.

1407
00:56:44,060 --> 00:56:46,100
They, excuse me, these aren't real listeners, subscribers.

1408
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,280
This is just a temporary thing, you know,

1409
00:56:49,300 --> 00:56:50,400
from this service.

1410
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:51,840
And it's in that kind of thing.

1411
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,660
What they were told was, oh, well, it

1412
00:56:54,660 --> 00:56:55,540
doesn't, we don't care.

1413
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,120
We don't care whether it's real or not

1414
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,840
because the hosts of the show, they love

1415
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,180
it when they see these big numbers.

1416
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,260
So the hosts of the show just want

1417
00:57:05,260 --> 00:57:06,120
to see big numbers.

1418
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:07,680
They do not care.

1419
00:57:07,980 --> 00:57:09,060
That's all they care about.

1420
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:09,980
Big numbers.

1421
00:57:10,820 --> 00:57:15,440
And the people managing the show get to

1422
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,860
say, look, we gave you big numbers.

1423
00:57:18,740 --> 00:57:22,460
So everybody's happy and everybody's happy.

1424
00:57:22,460 --> 00:57:23,800
And the downloads aren't real.

1425
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,620
That's the way this thing works.

1426
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,080
And that's not with a free tier.

1427
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,160
That's with a paid, that's with a paid

1428
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:33,760
hosting account, you know?

1429
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:35,740
And so it's all fake.

1430
00:57:35,740 --> 00:57:37,000
It's all fake.

1431
00:57:38,460 --> 00:57:39,360
It's crap.

1432
00:57:39,820 --> 00:57:43,020
So the only thing that's happened here is

1433
00:57:43,020 --> 00:57:51,360
the smart, smart spammers, hooligans, have come up

1434
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,840
with a decentralized way to scam the system.

1435
00:57:55,220 --> 00:57:58,720
And the decentralized way is create 10,000

1436
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,580
free accounts, get a couple of downloads each

1437
00:58:01,580 --> 00:58:03,800
on content that it takes almost nothing to

1438
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,480
produce, and we're making money.

1439
00:58:05,740 --> 00:58:07,200
That's what's going on.

1440
00:58:07,620 --> 00:58:11,260
And I think that we can tag and

1441
00:58:11,260 --> 00:58:15,460
bag all we want, but ultimately the problem

1442
00:58:15,460 --> 00:58:20,360
is in the metrics for advertisers.

1443
00:58:20,860 --> 00:58:23,720
And there have been many proposals and no

1444
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,040
one ever really wants to jump up on

1445
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:27,920
it because of what I said before.

1446
00:58:28,500 --> 00:58:32,020
Because hosts love big numbers, number go up,

1447
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:33,900
but if we really knew what was going

1448
00:58:33,900 --> 00:58:36,820
on, we'd have 2 million podcasts in the

1449
00:58:36,820 --> 00:58:38,940
index and they would be great and real

1450
00:58:38,940 --> 00:58:43,700
and you'd get rid of the whole problem.

1451
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:48,700
And it's absolutely technically possible to create an

1452
00:58:48,700 --> 00:58:51,680
architecture where we can get real listen numbers

1453
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:52,700
minute by minute.

1454
00:58:53,500 --> 00:58:55,360
Sam Sethi has been doing a lot of

1455
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,260
work on that with TrueFans, but the industry

1456
00:58:58,260 --> 00:59:00,860
doesn't actually want it.

1457
00:59:02,060 --> 00:59:05,020
Yeah, for that exact reason that I just

1458
00:59:05,020 --> 00:59:09,220
explained, because it's so much easier to get

1459
00:59:09,220 --> 00:59:10,620
big numbers without real stats.

1460
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:14,840
So again, the podcast industrial complex is the

1461
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:15,260
problem.

1462
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,180
They are creating the problem.

1463
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:20,260
They're the problem.

1464
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:22,180
Agree.

1465
00:59:22,740 --> 00:59:26,700
Okay, so screw those guys, just saying, just

1466
00:59:26,700 --> 00:59:26,960
saying.

1467
00:59:27,580 --> 00:59:30,620
But anyway, at least we're talking about the

1468
00:59:30,620 --> 00:59:31,360
real issue.

1469
00:59:32,220 --> 00:59:37,400
Well, I just, I don't have a problem

1470
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:38,120
with the tagging.

1471
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:39,660
I don't either.

1472
00:59:39,780 --> 00:59:41,760
I just think it's futile, it's meaningless.

1473
00:59:42,500 --> 00:59:45,040
It's just as meaningless as the explicit tag.

1474
00:59:45,420 --> 00:59:47,420
Yeah, it's meaningless, so let's do it.

1475
00:59:47,580 --> 00:59:49,320
Actually, no, no, no, I take that back.

1476
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:51,600
It's not as meaningless.

1477
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,500
I think this is actually going to be

1478
00:59:54,500 --> 00:59:58,200
a real signal because there is financial motivation

1479
00:59:58,200 --> 00:59:58,900
behind it.

1480
00:59:59,520 --> 00:59:59,900
I hope so.

1481
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:01,260
I hope it works.

1482
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:02,120
I hope it works.

1483
01:00:02,820 --> 01:00:06,860
There's actually a financial disincentive to tagging explicit.

1484
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,780
This as a financial incentive, I think this

1485
01:00:10,780 --> 01:00:13,740
is actually will, I think this will spread,

1486
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,340
and I think it will spread very quickly.

1487
01:00:15,340 --> 01:00:17,820
You know, there was a hosting company, who

1488
01:00:17,820 --> 01:00:20,600
shall not go named, who was blocking all

1489
01:00:23,700 --> 01:00:29,120
Linode servers, downloads from Linode servers by IP

1490
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:30,980
address, IP address range.

1491
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,140
Wouldn't you know they stopped doing that?

1492
01:00:34,180 --> 01:00:35,620
I happen to know this.

1493
01:00:36,500 --> 01:00:38,720
Because, yeah, because I asked.

1494
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:40,200
All of them?

1495
01:00:41,820 --> 01:00:43,560
I don't know, but that's...

1496
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,800
Because I got one server whitelisted.

1497
01:00:46,940 --> 01:00:51,080
They were, they were probably, there's probably a

1498
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:51,480
lot.

1499
01:00:51,820 --> 01:00:54,040
I think they probably had to because...

1500
01:00:55,620 --> 01:00:57,740
Because there's so many browser downloads.

1501
01:00:57,860 --> 01:00:59,060
We got to open it up, guys.

1502
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,560
No, I think, I think that, I think

1503
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:07,840
that they, I know why, I worked with

1504
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:11,180
them on the process of trying to block

1505
01:01:11,180 --> 01:01:11,940
some of this stuff.

1506
01:01:11,940 --> 01:01:15,320
It was, they were trying to block the

1507
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:20,280
Vietnamese poker scammers from posting a thousand podcasts

1508
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:20,780
a day.

1509
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,120
It was, it was coming from everywhere.

1510
01:01:23,420 --> 01:01:24,980
I'm just talking about accesses.

1511
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:27,940
Downloads, downloads.

1512
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:32,080
Well, there's no, there's, it's hard to block

1513
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:33,220
that from the CDN.

1514
01:01:33,500 --> 01:01:34,080
Of course it is.

1515
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:38,840
It's just, there's so much energy, literal energy

1516
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,540
and money wasted with scammers.

1517
01:01:42,420 --> 01:01:43,600
Oh, it's horrible.

1518
01:01:43,940 --> 01:01:45,640
And the reason is because it works.

1519
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:47,600
Because you can make money that way, whether

1520
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,440
you're an agency, making money off of your

1521
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,120
client, making them happy.

1522
01:01:52,660 --> 01:01:54,560
But still, you're just wasting resources.

1523
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,920
All the, it feels like most of what

1524
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,140
I do these days, whenever I get some

1525
01:02:01,140 --> 01:02:02,320
coding time on the index.

1526
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:03,320
Wasting resources.

1527
01:02:03,780 --> 01:02:05,940
Is, is all about just trying to protect

1528
01:02:05,940 --> 01:02:06,940
ourselves from scammers.

1529
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:08,260
I know, I know.

1530
01:02:08,340 --> 01:02:09,200
It's all it is.

1531
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:09,660
I know.

1532
01:02:09,900 --> 01:02:11,420
It's abuse control.

1533
01:02:11,420 --> 01:02:12,040
Yeah.

1534
01:02:12,180 --> 01:02:14,000
Well, I, I would, I really would like

1535
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,280
to propose a free tier tag.

1536
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,200
And if anyone ever picks up on that,

1537
01:02:19,260 --> 01:02:20,000
that would be great.

1538
01:02:20,660 --> 01:02:22,720
And we can just label all of Spotify,

1539
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:23,900
a free tier tag.

1540
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:25,880
So I can filter it out.

1541
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,200
That was, the anchor was super easy because

1542
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:30,640
I didn't even need a tag.

1543
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:31,200
It was anchor.

1544
01:02:31,260 --> 01:02:33,080
Each tag is what it is.

1545
01:02:33,300 --> 01:02:33,480
Yeah.

1546
01:02:35,980 --> 01:02:38,040
So anyway, was there anything else going on

1547
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:38,480
in the world?

1548
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,680
I had stuff on the list.

1549
01:02:44,740 --> 01:02:46,900
We're, I've got some stuff on here, but

1550
01:02:46,900 --> 01:02:49,060
I really probably want to, we'll talk about

1551
01:02:49,060 --> 01:02:49,620
it next week.

1552
01:02:49,740 --> 01:02:52,340
Cause we, I love this conversation.

1553
01:02:52,540 --> 01:02:54,260
I, I thought this was very helpful.

1554
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:55,940
It was helpful for me, at least.

1555
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,260
Well, I think that this goes along with

1556
01:02:59,260 --> 01:03:01,660
it because actually since we're on the AI

1557
01:03:01,660 --> 01:03:06,640
tip here, I saw a guy this week.

1558
01:03:06,700 --> 01:03:07,480
What day was that?

1559
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,660
That was like Wednesday.

1560
01:03:10,780 --> 01:03:12,640
I was getting in the car, coming back,

1561
01:03:12,740 --> 01:03:14,220
going back to the office from my lunch

1562
01:03:14,220 --> 01:03:14,620
break.

1563
01:03:16,500 --> 01:03:18,620
And a guy jogs by and he's like,

1564
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:20,840
Hey Dave, this is a guy I have

1565
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:22,200
not, he's in my neighborhood.

1566
01:03:22,380 --> 01:03:24,700
I haven't seen him for probably, I don't

1567
01:03:24,700 --> 01:03:25,220
know, a year.

1568
01:03:27,260 --> 01:03:30,600
And he's a lead, he's a lead developer,

1569
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,000
or I guess he'd be senior, senior engineer

1570
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:37,740
at a company that does, a big company

1571
01:03:37,740 --> 01:03:41,740
that does like stationery and greeting cards and

1572
01:03:41,740 --> 01:03:42,640
all kinds of stuff.

1573
01:03:43,980 --> 01:03:46,540
And they have a very strong e-commerce

1574
01:03:46,540 --> 01:03:47,920
platform.

1575
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,000
And so I was, he, he brought up

1576
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:52,280
AI.

1577
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,160
He's like, Hey, you playing with any AI

1578
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:55,560
coding?

1579
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:57,880
And I was like, yeah, yeah, sure.

1580
01:03:57,900 --> 01:03:59,100
So we started talking about it.

1581
01:04:00,140 --> 01:04:02,380
And I think I'm starting to see from

1582
01:04:02,380 --> 01:04:04,460
that conversation, I think I'm starting to see

1583
01:04:04,460 --> 01:04:07,320
how this AI coding thing is kind of

1584
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:08,580
going to play itself out.

1585
01:04:09,860 --> 01:04:10,340
Okay.

1586
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:14,980
So I said, I asked him, I was

1587
01:04:14,980 --> 01:04:16,760
like, well, have you fired all your developers

1588
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:17,020
yet?

1589
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:18,620
Because you're just going to have one guy

1590
01:04:18,620 --> 01:04:21,000
in the basement where they'd be a banging

1591
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:21,780
away at Claude.

1592
01:04:23,060 --> 01:04:25,520
And he was like, no, no, no, no.

1593
01:04:25,540 --> 01:04:26,360
He was laughing.

1594
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:28,820
He's like, no, he's like, we, we mandate

1595
01:04:28,820 --> 01:04:33,360
all of our developers to use AI agents.

1596
01:04:33,540 --> 01:04:36,240
And he said, we are actually hiring more

1597
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:36,580
developers.

1598
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:37,600
Oh, oh, of course.

1599
01:04:37,740 --> 01:04:39,360
I, I have no doubt that the AI

1600
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:43,360
revolution will only increase job opportunities.

1601
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,240
But it's the, it's this thing that he

1602
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:50,420
said though, that was sort of where the

1603
01:04:50,420 --> 01:04:51,280
light bulbs went on.

1604
01:04:51,340 --> 01:04:53,700
He said, because I asked him, I was

1605
01:04:53,700 --> 01:04:54,580
like, oh, that was interesting.

1606
01:04:54,580 --> 01:04:56,500
You know, it's not the narrative that's out

1607
01:04:56,500 --> 01:04:56,860
there.

1608
01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:59,240
When you hear about all this stuff, it's

1609
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,280
a, you know, a block square or whatever.

1610
01:05:01,460 --> 01:05:04,200
Jack Dorsey firing his 40% of his

1611
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:04,420
staff.

1612
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:05,120
Yeah, sure.

1613
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:05,800
Sure.

1614
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:06,240
Exactly.

1615
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,360
Oh, AI is taking over their jobs.

1616
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:13,580
That has nothing to do with AI and

1617
01:05:13,580 --> 01:05:15,600
everything to do with their stock prices.

1618
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:17,800
One third what it was a year ago.

1619
01:05:17,940 --> 01:05:18,120
Yep.

1620
01:05:18,420 --> 01:05:18,880
Exactly.

1621
01:05:19,740 --> 01:05:24,440
So he said that the reason that they're

1622
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,520
doing, they're mandating the use of AI is

1623
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:28,860
because they have such a huge backlog of

1624
01:05:28,860 --> 01:05:33,320
issues and feature requests that their staff just

1625
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:34,720
can't get to.

1626
01:05:34,860 --> 01:05:36,760
He said the list of things that they

1627
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:40,580
have to do, just their tickets in the

1628
01:05:40,580 --> 01:05:43,000
developer system just keeps getting longer and longer

1629
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:43,540
and longer.

1630
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:44,340
Sure, sure.

1631
01:05:44,340 --> 01:05:46,220
And he said, he said for the first

1632
01:05:46,220 --> 01:05:49,520
time using these AI agents, they've been able

1633
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:53,940
to actually make progress on that endless to

1634
01:05:53,940 --> 01:05:54,900
-do list.

1635
01:05:55,430 --> 01:05:59,300
And so like they can actually deliver things

1636
01:05:59,300 --> 01:06:00,600
in a timely manner now.

1637
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:04,160
And so now they've basically taken themselves from

1638
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:08,460
a black hole of hopeless get issues.

1639
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:10,800
A black hole of hopeless get issues.

1640
01:06:11,340 --> 01:06:11,620
Yeah.

1641
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:15,040
And now they're able to like actually do

1642
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:16,700
stuff and keep pace.

1643
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,700
You know, I'm so happy with Gemini.

1644
01:06:20,180 --> 01:06:24,340
Gemini now does something that XAI did a

1645
01:06:24,340 --> 01:06:25,160
long time ago.

1646
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,040
Because the way I code is I say,

1647
01:06:28,180 --> 01:06:29,140
here's my code.

1648
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,160
I paste the whole Python script.

1649
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:33,700
I want to add this.

1650
01:06:33,780 --> 01:06:35,220
It gives me back a Python script.

1651
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,740
Now it used to do this sequentially in

1652
01:06:37,740 --> 01:06:38,300
the browser.

1653
01:06:38,300 --> 01:06:40,320
When the browser would get up to like

1654
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:43,380
three gigs, you know, the browser's struggling.

1655
01:06:43,620 --> 01:06:46,400
Now they pop open a code window and

1656
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:47,340
then it goes away.

1657
01:06:47,380 --> 01:06:49,540
When you've copied the code, it goes away.

1658
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:51,140
And as new code, it pops it into

1659
01:06:51,140 --> 01:06:54,280
a separate, a separate frame kind of.

1660
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,080
So it's not filling up the entire browser

1661
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:57,580
history.

1662
01:06:58,180 --> 01:07:01,480
And I created an AI, I call it

1663
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:02,560
the AI co-producer.

1664
01:07:02,660 --> 01:07:04,780
I'm sorry, it named itself the AI code

1665
01:07:04,780 --> 01:07:05,180
producer.

1666
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:07,700
The AI co-producer.

1667
01:07:08,300 --> 01:07:11,520
And so I now manage an entire streaming

1668
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,500
station just by typing in what I want

1669
01:07:14,500 --> 01:07:15,000
it to do.

1670
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:17,880
So for instance, hey, add this song at

1671
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:20,020
the next hour after the weather.

1672
01:07:21,020 --> 01:07:25,760
Add this RSS feed from this devotional every

1673
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,840
other hour at about 15 after the hour.

1674
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:30,260
And it does all of this stuff.

1675
01:07:31,100 --> 01:07:34,160
What was interesting is at a certain point,

1676
01:07:34,340 --> 01:07:35,660
so it's also doing promos.

1677
01:07:35,660 --> 01:07:38,320
And nobody heard those last week, which was

1678
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:38,700
great.

1679
01:07:39,460 --> 01:07:41,880
Because I, you know, I played the promos

1680
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:43,980
and I didn't record somehow, which is interesting.

1681
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:49,700
But the system had said, well, why don't

1682
01:07:49,700 --> 01:07:58,440
we use the Google 1.5-Pro for

1683
01:07:58,440 --> 01:07:59,840
doing the promo scripts.

1684
01:07:59,900 --> 01:08:02,520
And we'll use, you know, the faster model

1685
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,560
for just managing the stuff.

1686
01:08:06,660 --> 01:08:07,720
Scheduling and all that.

1687
01:08:08,300 --> 01:08:09,240
Holy crap.

1688
01:08:09,860 --> 01:08:14,320
I think that I, in quotes, I wrote,

1689
01:08:14,860 --> 01:08:17,819
I now have 55 guardrail rules.

1690
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,340
Now I understand how these companies operate.

1691
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:23,040
Now I understand why Anthropic doesn't want autonomous

1692
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:25,359
weapons run on their stuff.

1693
01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:28,080
Because these things are still just language interpreters.

1694
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:30,700
They have to build all the tools and

1695
01:08:30,700 --> 01:08:32,540
they got to put all these guardrails in

1696
01:08:32,540 --> 01:08:35,380
so it doesn't go off, quote unquote, off

1697
01:08:35,380 --> 01:08:35,800
the rails.

1698
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:38,399
Dude, it would straight up lie.

1699
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:40,520
It would say, oh yeah, here's your hour.

1700
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:41,960
And it would show me a beautiful list

1701
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:43,220
and show me the things I'd planned.

1702
01:08:43,319 --> 01:08:44,660
I go look at the YAML file.

1703
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:45,500
It's not in there.

1704
01:08:46,140 --> 01:08:48,819
Oh, and this was going on for two

1705
01:08:48,819 --> 01:08:49,140
days.

1706
01:08:49,220 --> 01:08:51,580
I'm like, why are these guardrails failing?

1707
01:08:52,340 --> 01:08:53,800
And it turns out it was the model.

1708
01:08:54,220 --> 01:08:57,359
The model, the fast model is really only

1709
01:08:57,359 --> 01:09:00,100
good for having a quick little chat, nothing

1710
01:09:00,100 --> 01:09:00,560
else.

1711
01:09:01,060 --> 01:09:01,380
Yes.

1712
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:05,100
You need the thinking model, the reasoning model

1713
01:09:05,100 --> 01:09:06,439
that goes through five.

1714
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,680
And even then, it doesn't lie as much,

1715
01:09:09,740 --> 01:09:11,880
but even then it does stuff.

1716
01:09:12,260 --> 01:09:14,300
I mean, it just out of the blue

1717
01:09:14,300 --> 01:09:16,500
does something complete reverse.

1718
01:09:17,819 --> 01:09:19,680
It's all, it sucks.

1719
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:22,040
It is so horrible.

1720
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,180
I've got it to, I mean, I can't

1721
01:09:24,180 --> 01:09:25,220
give this to customers.

1722
01:09:25,220 --> 01:09:27,620
I've got it to a place now where

1723
01:09:27,620 --> 01:09:30,779
I'm ready to test it myself on my

1724
01:09:30,779 --> 01:09:32,859
own real server in real time.

1725
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:39,160
But it is, these things have no zero

1726
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:43,680
zilch, absolutely nothing, bottom of the barrel, like

1727
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:44,800
where the whale shit lives.

1728
01:09:45,140 --> 01:09:48,700
There's no intelligence whatsoever in these systems.

1729
01:09:49,140 --> 01:09:50,819
It's all the tools you build.

1730
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,920
I can imagine what Claude Bot must be

1731
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:54,240
doing.

1732
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:55,360
I mean.

1733
01:09:55,540 --> 01:09:56,520
No, there's no telling.

1734
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:58,880
It, you know, it's insane.

1735
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:00,480
There's no intelligence.

1736
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:05,000
It just does stuff because it interprets one,

1737
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:07,120
you write the exact same sentence twice.

1738
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:08,440
It does two different things.

1739
01:10:09,440 --> 01:10:11,680
Unless you give it all these tools and

1740
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:12,260
guardrails.

1741
01:10:13,060 --> 01:10:18,480
You need to give Claude a try if

1742
01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:19,020
you haven't.

1743
01:10:19,660 --> 01:10:20,300
Claude Code.

1744
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,120
You know, the reason, here's why I haven't

1745
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:23,700
tried Claude.

1746
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:30,580
Because Google has access to songs, videos, and

1747
01:10:30,580 --> 01:10:31,740
video transcripts.

1748
01:10:31,780 --> 01:10:34,020
It has, and Google search.

1749
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:39,720
It has phenomenal access to external data sources.

1750
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,480
That's the only reason why I haven't tried

1751
01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:42,720
Claude.

1752
01:10:43,100 --> 01:10:46,700
X is crap from beginning to end.

1753
01:10:47,780 --> 01:10:50,780
And because it's built on Twitter, you know,

1754
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:51,700
it's like, of course.

1755
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,380
So you could use Claude to build.

1756
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,900
I need to, we need to Zoom call

1757
01:10:58,900 --> 01:10:59,380
one day.

1758
01:10:59,480 --> 01:11:02,660
And so I can show you my Claude

1759
01:11:02,660 --> 01:11:03,300
process.

1760
01:11:04,780 --> 01:11:06,860
I think it will change the way you

1761
01:11:06,860 --> 01:11:07,400
do stuff.

1762
01:11:09,480 --> 01:11:12,240
So what I've been working on this week

1763
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:13,860
is a project for the day job.

1764
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:19,980
Is there's a whole bunch of invoices that

1765
01:11:19,980 --> 01:11:22,160
we need to extract a bunch.

1766
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:24,600
We need to extract data from like the

1767
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:27,760
invoice date, the invoice number, the vendor, the

1768
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:28,380
amount.

1769
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,680
All these kinds of things, just basically extract

1770
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:32,840
these data points from it.

1771
01:11:33,020 --> 01:11:35,800
And these are this like 1500 pages of

1772
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:36,200
invoices.

1773
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:41,280
And so you sit down to design a

1774
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:42,420
thing that will do this.

1775
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,480
And you know, immediately, these are all different

1776
01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:46,860
vendors.

1777
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:48,640
All their invoice formats are different.

1778
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:50,000
They don't look anything alike.

1779
01:11:50,820 --> 01:11:51,680
And so this is going to be a

1780
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:52,220
difficult task.

1781
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:56,280
The first run of just feeding it to

1782
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:58,380
an LLM is a disaster.

1783
01:11:59,540 --> 01:12:01,500
And yes, it will give you things.

1784
01:12:01,540 --> 01:12:02,660
A lot of times it will give you

1785
01:12:02,660 --> 01:12:04,080
a bunch of stuff, but that's not the

1786
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:04,940
right way to do it.

1787
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:07,600
I think the learning curve in all of

1788
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,860
this stuff is, is, is learning when to

1789
01:12:10,860 --> 01:12:11,780
bring in the LLM.

1790
01:12:12,620 --> 01:12:16,840
To do a specific, a very specific thing.

1791
01:12:16,980 --> 01:12:17,400
Yeah.

1792
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,920
Because like what, what we, what we ended

1793
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:23,840
up doing is using existing OCR software.

1794
01:12:24,260 --> 01:12:27,580
We're using a package called Apache Tikka that

1795
01:12:27,580 --> 01:12:29,180
will suck all the text.

1796
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:31,360
It will OCR a PDF and suck all

1797
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:32,240
the text out of it.

1798
01:12:32,440 --> 01:12:35,120
You take that text and you pre-process

1799
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:39,360
it with a whole bunch of language filtering

1800
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:41,220
and munging.

1801
01:12:41,220 --> 01:12:42,920
Stuff like, yeah, exactly.

1802
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:43,580
Of course.

1803
01:12:44,420 --> 01:12:47,220
You pre-process it, get it down to

1804
01:12:47,220 --> 01:12:49,280
a very predictable format.

1805
01:12:50,380 --> 01:12:53,240
Then you feed it to the LLM and

1806
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:56,320
say, and with a, with the right prompting

1807
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:57,960
and say, this is what I'm looking to

1808
01:12:57,960 --> 01:12:58,480
get out.

1809
01:12:58,740 --> 01:13:01,200
But even then you have to use the

1810
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:02,720
correct model, just like you're saying.

1811
01:13:02,740 --> 01:13:06,680
Cause we, we, we tried 10 different models

1812
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:09,900
and finally we hit the one that worked

1813
01:13:09,900 --> 01:13:13,660
for our use case was Gemma3 and we,

1814
01:13:13,660 --> 01:13:16,020
you, we kept going down because initially you

1815
01:13:16,020 --> 01:13:17,420
would feed it an invoice and it would

1816
01:13:17,420 --> 01:13:19,920
be like, it would take 10 minutes to

1817
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:20,580
chug through it.

1818
01:13:20,660 --> 01:13:23,020
So the danger, so there's two, two observations.

1819
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:25,500
First, the danger is when they upgrade the

1820
01:13:25,500 --> 01:13:27,940
model or deprecate your model, and here's a

1821
01:13:27,940 --> 01:13:29,920
better one, it's going to screw you over.

1822
01:13:30,780 --> 01:13:32,020
And you know, that's coming.

1823
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,560
The other part is you can't give this

1824
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:36,180
to a user.

1825
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:37,600
You have to do it.

1826
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,900
And it's great because it's more work for

1827
01:13:40,900 --> 01:13:41,180
Dave.

1828
01:13:41,300 --> 01:13:43,580
It makes your work easier, but you have

1829
01:13:43,580 --> 01:13:43,940
to sit.

1830
01:13:44,060 --> 01:13:46,880
I mean, I, when I'm using my, my

1831
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:50,320
production tool, I'm looking at the log.

1832
01:13:50,380 --> 01:13:51,480
I'm like, oh, I see what you're doing.

1833
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:51,880
Okay.

1834
01:13:52,020 --> 01:13:54,020
Oh, I see exactly the mistake you made.

1835
01:13:54,480 --> 01:13:56,500
You know, so I can do it really

1836
01:13:56,500 --> 01:13:58,840
well, but I'm afraid if I put this

1837
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:01,040
in hands of a user, you know, what,

1838
01:14:01,220 --> 01:14:02,380
what's going to come out of it?

1839
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,180
Funny enough, it was, here's just one anecdote.

1840
01:14:06,900 --> 01:14:09,340
So I was trying to get it to

1841
01:14:09,340 --> 01:14:13,260
do a, uh, a promo and it kept

1842
01:14:13,260 --> 01:14:13,700
failing.

1843
01:14:13,700 --> 01:14:15,360
And then it kept doing it wrong.

1844
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:17,360
And you know, cause it's like sound effect,

1845
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:21,880
intro, sound effect, clip, sound effect, outro, sound

1846
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:22,180
effect.

1847
01:14:22,740 --> 01:14:23,640
That's the format.

1848
01:14:23,700 --> 01:14:24,720
And it was doing it all different.

1849
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:26,860
And then it inverted the music bed and

1850
01:14:26,860 --> 01:14:28,920
made that a hundred percent and the voiceover

1851
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:29,260
75%.

1852
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:35,160
And I literally typed in explicit tag, fuck

1853
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:36,220
you, all uppercase.

1854
01:14:36,300 --> 01:14:37,520
And then boop, it just did it.

1855
01:14:38,820 --> 01:14:41,060
It was, it was the most amazing thing

1856
01:14:41,060 --> 01:14:43,060
for a moment there.

1857
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:44,620
I'm like, hmm, wait a minute.

1858
01:14:45,300 --> 01:14:47,100
There's some intelligence there after all.

1859
01:14:47,340 --> 01:14:49,060
But, but I think that's kind of the

1860
01:14:49,060 --> 01:14:50,520
bottom line is like, if you know what

1861
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,740
you're doing, you can create some amazing things,

1862
01:14:53,740 --> 01:14:55,400
but you gotta know what you're doing.

1863
01:14:55,440 --> 01:14:57,500
If you don't know exactly what you're doing,

1864
01:14:57,960 --> 01:14:59,040
you're going to be disappointed.

1865
01:14:59,540 --> 01:15:00,260
We'll see that.

1866
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:02,220
So Eric, you know, Eric PP, he was

1867
01:15:02,220 --> 01:15:03,980
like, you know, you need, you can host

1868
01:15:03,980 --> 01:15:04,660
Gemma locally.

1869
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:05,080
And yeah.

1870
01:15:05,100 --> 01:15:06,140
And that's exactly what we're doing.

1871
01:15:06,300 --> 01:15:07,120
Cause this is private.

1872
01:15:07,420 --> 01:15:07,760
Yeah.

1873
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:08,740
This is private information.

1874
01:15:08,740 --> 01:15:10,320
So you can't send that to the cloud.

1875
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:13,680
So we're, we're running, you know, local LLM.

1876
01:15:13,780 --> 01:15:14,140
Yeah.

1877
01:15:14,300 --> 01:15:15,480
And that's the way to go.

1878
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,280
And you can have complete control and you'll,

1879
01:15:18,500 --> 01:15:20,740
once you have the model downloaded, you can't,

1880
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:21,900
nobody will take it away from you.

1881
01:15:21,980 --> 01:15:22,880
You got it forever.

1882
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:23,580
No, I'm with you.

1883
01:15:23,620 --> 01:15:26,200
And that's, I've got my, uh, my Nvidia

1884
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:27,000
card here.

1885
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,700
And, uh, you know, hopefully it's been kind

1886
01:15:29,700 --> 01:15:31,680
of a rough week here at, uh, at

1887
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:33,240
the house with John and everything.

1888
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:37,500
I should probably let everybody know, uh, who's

1889
01:15:37,500 --> 01:15:40,360
listening that, um, that, uh, John C.

1890
01:15:40,380 --> 01:15:43,720
Dvorak had his double bypass surgery this morning.

1891
01:15:43,860 --> 01:15:46,300
Uh, he came through fine, still critical.

1892
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:50,660
Um, you know, he's, he's on machines basically,

1893
01:15:50,660 --> 01:15:53,240
uh, but he is expected to pull through.

1894
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,960
So, uh, it's, it's, you know, that shook

1895
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:57,360
me more than I thought it would, to

1896
01:15:57,360 --> 01:15:58,200
be honest with you.

1897
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:00,620
I'm like, you know, I'm surprised that it,

1898
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:02,540
yeah, I was surprised that it didn't.

1899
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:04,240
Yeah.

1900
01:16:04,340 --> 01:16:06,960
I was, I was expecting you to be

1901
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:07,860
pretty rattled by it.

1902
01:16:07,940 --> 01:16:08,060
Yeah.

1903
01:16:08,740 --> 01:16:11,320
Well, initially I, I was going to, okay,

1904
01:16:11,380 --> 01:16:12,840
crisis mode, what are we going to do?

1905
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:14,720
You know, and I'm talking more to Mimi

1906
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:17,020
and the kids and, you know, making them

1907
01:16:17,020 --> 01:16:19,080
cause the, you know, the Dvoraks are a

1908
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:20,060
funny bunch, man.

1909
01:16:20,620 --> 01:16:23,220
You know, once, once, once everyone's kind of

1910
01:16:23,220 --> 01:16:25,900
cool, they literally said, okay, we're going to

1911
01:16:25,900 --> 01:16:28,940
send out a newsletter on Saturday and we're

1912
01:16:28,940 --> 01:16:30,280
doing a special donation.

1913
01:16:30,460 --> 01:16:33,280
The give John a reason to live donation.

1914
01:16:33,420 --> 01:16:34,840
I'm like, you guys are amazing.

1915
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:37,740
You guys are amazing.

1916
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:41,620
Like John will be so proud.

1917
01:16:42,580 --> 01:16:44,160
And if he doesn't make it, we still

1918
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:44,620
get the money.

1919
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:45,240
Exactly.

1920
01:16:45,420 --> 01:16:46,640
It's a win-win people.

1921
01:16:46,780 --> 01:16:47,580
It's a win-win.

1922
01:16:48,260 --> 01:16:50,760
Um, anyway, I don't know how it came

1923
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:50,980
up with.

1924
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:51,760
So yes.

1925
01:16:52,480 --> 01:16:54,460
So I'm, I am setting up my own,

1926
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:56,660
uh, my own local gear here because that

1927
01:16:56,660 --> 01:16:59,780
without a doubt, hands down is the future

1928
01:16:59,780 --> 01:17:00,460
of this stuff.

1929
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:04,260
Decentralize it, run your own stuff, probably within

1930
01:17:04,260 --> 01:17:06,900
two years, just sit outside the data center

1931
01:17:06,900 --> 01:17:08,160
and be able to pick up a couple

1932
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:10,380
of nice NVIDIA GPUs.

1933
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:13,020
Um, cause everything will have to be refreshed

1934
01:17:13,020 --> 01:17:14,620
and a new bunch of money will come

1935
01:17:14,620 --> 01:17:14,940
through.

1936
01:17:14,940 --> 01:17:17,280
And, uh, and I don't mind running a

1937
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:20,120
generation behind because if it's just me, I

1938
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:21,360
think it'll be pretty decent.

1939
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:23,360
I don't need to run a data center.

1940
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:27,260
Well, that Gemma three, the Gemma three, 12

1941
01:17:27,260 --> 01:17:27,940
B model.

1942
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:31,360
If all you need is to interpret some

1943
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:33,880
text, the smaller models will do great.

1944
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:35,620
They're just fine.

1945
01:17:35,620 --> 01:17:38,920
And they'll fit in a 24 gig Ram

1946
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:40,100
system easily.

1947
01:17:40,740 --> 01:17:42,380
And so if you just need a small

1948
01:17:42,380 --> 01:17:45,240
model, something like Gemma three, 12 B is

1949
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:46,400
a very good model.

1950
01:17:46,620 --> 01:17:49,340
And it's super fast on even small systems.

1951
01:17:49,340 --> 01:17:51,420
I mean, like you can, you can do

1952
01:17:51,420 --> 01:17:55,900
like a whole page of text and try

1953
01:17:55,900 --> 01:17:57,720
to like do some data extraction.

1954
01:17:58,140 --> 01:18:00,280
It'll process that thing in like three seconds.

1955
01:18:00,500 --> 01:18:00,780
Yeah.

1956
01:18:01,060 --> 01:18:01,540
Yeah.

1957
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:03,880
And it's all local and you can run

1958
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,520
it like you could pick up, you know,

1959
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:09,380
max studio with like 96 gigs of RAM

1960
01:18:09,380 --> 01:18:10,360
or something like that.

1961
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:10,500
Yeah.

1962
01:18:10,660 --> 01:18:12,120
That would smoke through.

1963
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:13,880
But that is clearly the future.

1964
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:14,900
It is.

1965
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:16,800
It's so clear to me.

1966
01:18:17,440 --> 01:18:18,960
And, uh, and that I look very much,

1967
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:21,720
I very much look forward to, um, some

1968
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,460
of these Quinn, uh, text to speech models

1969
01:18:24,460 --> 01:18:25,200
are pretty good.

1970
01:18:26,100 --> 01:18:28,060
Uh, I got my, uh, my free, uh,

1971
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:31,280
uh, Spotify accounts, got a little business I'm

1972
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:32,340
sitting up here on the side.

1973
01:18:32,420 --> 01:18:34,220
I got a couple of Linode servers running

1974
01:18:34,220 --> 01:18:34,740
browsers.

1975
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:39,200
So, uh, uh, my financials, uh, future is

1976
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:39,580
secure.

1977
01:18:40,380 --> 01:18:42,940
Become a podcast, download spammer.

1978
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:43,220
Yeah.

1979
01:18:43,340 --> 01:18:43,660
AI.

1980
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:44,320
Yeah.

1981
01:18:44,480 --> 01:18:45,440
You just charge for it.

1982
01:18:45,460 --> 01:18:45,600
Yeah.

1983
01:18:45,660 --> 01:18:46,000
Take that.

1984
01:18:46,060 --> 01:18:46,160
Yeah.

1985
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:47,320
And take the skim off the top.

1986
01:18:47,420 --> 01:18:47,540
Yeah.

1987
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:50,360
Should we thank some people, Dave, since, uh,

1988
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:52,960
we've, uh, we've almost gotten to our max

1989
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:53,060
here.

1990
01:18:53,100 --> 01:18:54,840
We got a couple of nice boosts today.

1991
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:57,860
Um, and I know that, uh, Eric PP

1992
01:18:57,860 --> 01:19:00,460
is working on, uh, an upgraded version of

1993
01:19:00,460 --> 01:19:03,000
helipad, I think that will, that will include

1994
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:04,460
LN URL boosts.

1995
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:08,100
Uh, thought that he shipped a release.

1996
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:09,380
Oh, I haven't.

1997
01:19:09,480 --> 01:19:10,560
Oh, I have to look and see if

1998
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:11,760
it's on the start nine yet.

1999
01:19:13,220 --> 01:19:15,340
Um, let me look at the get hub

2000
01:19:15,340 --> 01:19:16,140
mastodon.

2001
01:19:16,180 --> 01:19:19,500
But I, I, I never have to log

2002
01:19:19,500 --> 01:19:20,260
into that machine.

2003
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,280
I love my start nine so much.

2004
01:19:22,900 --> 01:19:25,420
That the, the, the get hub mastodon bot

2005
01:19:25,420 --> 01:19:26,880
has changed my life.

2006
01:19:26,900 --> 01:19:27,920
It's good, isn't it?

2007
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:28,220
Yeah.

2008
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:29,800
I mean, I, I love looking at it.

2009
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:31,460
Oh, this is really, it's like, it's like

2010
01:19:31,460 --> 01:19:35,040
a, like a, like a sweeper coming through.

2011
01:19:35,140 --> 01:19:36,480
Just, we're sweeping everything up here.

2012
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:38,120
People were taking care of everything.

2013
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:39,380
Yeah, here it is.

2014
01:19:39,500 --> 01:19:42,140
Heli, uh, the helipads from Eric PP helipad

2015
01:19:42,140 --> 01:19:44,200
0.2.2 is now available on unroll.

2016
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:45,880
The start nine version will be out soon.

2017
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:46,920
This is three hours ago.

2018
01:19:47,060 --> 01:19:47,300
All right.

2019
01:19:47,300 --> 01:19:48,840
So we don't have to new version ad

2020
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:51,540
support for fountain podcast guru, boost box metadata,

2021
01:19:51,780 --> 01:19:55,180
lightning invoice support, LN URL boost backs, nice

2022
01:19:55,180 --> 01:19:57,480
triggers based on sender name, app name, and

2023
01:19:57,480 --> 01:19:58,520
man.

2024
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:00,760
And so it'll do key send and LN

2025
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:03,040
URL or, uh, yes.

2026
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:03,940
And yep.

2027
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,520
And triggers for media instruments and open sound

2028
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:07,100
control.

2029
01:20:07,420 --> 01:20:10,780
Oh, well, you are a hero.

2030
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:11,620
You're a hero.

2031
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:12,340
You're a hero.

2032
01:20:13,220 --> 01:20:14,260
This is killer, man.

2033
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:15,120
Dreb.

2034
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:16,920
Scott comes in with one, two, three, four.

2035
01:20:17,020 --> 01:20:18,920
He says, I'm an it infrastructure, jack of

2036
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:21,480
all trades guy, network firewalls, and much more,

2037
01:20:21,540 --> 01:20:22,340
but not a script writer.

2038
01:20:22,480 --> 01:20:23,940
I can read scripts, but I'm not a

2039
01:20:23,940 --> 01:20:24,300
programmer.

2040
01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:26,380
AI has helped me get more complex things

2041
01:20:26,380 --> 01:20:27,020
done faster.

2042
01:20:27,100 --> 01:20:28,920
However, I seem to be spending a lot

2043
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,020
of time iterating with AI to get what

2044
01:20:31,020 --> 01:20:31,540
I need.

2045
01:20:32,100 --> 01:20:32,300
Yeah.

2046
01:20:32,660 --> 01:20:35,160
I'm using chat GPT and glean AI.

2047
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:35,480
Yeah.

2048
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:37,520
I mean, that's just look at how images

2049
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:37,900
are made.

2050
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:39,360
If you, if you say make an image

2051
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:40,880
and you're not happy, you want to adjust

2052
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:41,060
it.

2053
01:20:41,140 --> 01:20:42,720
You might as well just do your old

2054
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:43,360
prompt again.

2055
01:20:43,480 --> 01:20:45,300
And it's like the old Google.

2056
01:20:45,480 --> 01:20:48,140
I'm feeling lucky because iterating is not a

2057
01:20:48,140 --> 01:20:48,400
thing.

2058
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:52,740
Uh, there is a 10,000 sat boost

2059
01:20:52,740 --> 01:20:54,660
from, uh, Dreb Scott.

2060
01:20:54,660 --> 01:20:56,420
Baller at him.

2061
01:20:59,260 --> 01:21:01,560
He said, join late, go podcasting.

2062
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:03,220
See loss VT.

2063
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:05,640
See loss VT with a, uh, with a

2064
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:08,300
row of ducks, uh, two, two, two, two.

2065
01:21:08,340 --> 01:21:10,760
He says about last time, how would that

2066
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:13,260
new pod ping hive replacement thing turn out

2067
01:21:13,260 --> 01:21:14,240
for app devs?

2068
01:21:14,620 --> 01:21:15,060
I'd like that.

2069
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:16,540
I can just have a script sleep and

2070
01:21:16,540 --> 01:21:18,100
wake up every three seconds and check the

2071
01:21:18,100 --> 01:21:18,800
newest high block.

2072
01:21:18,860 --> 01:21:21,040
I don't want to actually maintain long running

2073
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:21,620
programs.

2074
01:21:21,660 --> 01:21:22,940
Doesn't match my stack.

2075
01:21:22,940 --> 01:21:24,520
I forgot the name already.

2076
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:26,220
Gossip over some rust thing.

2077
01:21:26,740 --> 01:21:26,840
Yes.

2078
01:21:27,440 --> 01:21:28,440
It's yeah, that's it.

2079
01:21:28,540 --> 01:21:29,200
That's what it's called.

2080
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:30,600
Gossip over some rust thing.

2081
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:32,900
It's a Gossert is the new acronym for

2082
01:21:32,900 --> 01:21:33,020
it.

2083
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:35,300
Gossert gossip over some rust thing.

2084
01:21:35,420 --> 01:21:37,000
So do you want to answer that?

2085
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:38,960
Well, it's not a hive replacement.

2086
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:41,840
Hive is still going to be, you know,

2087
01:21:41,940 --> 01:21:43,140
I tried to make that clear last week.

2088
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:45,440
Hi, this is just a, this is an

2089
01:21:45,440 --> 01:21:46,400
additional backend.

2090
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:49,700
So hive will still continue just like it

2091
01:21:49,700 --> 01:21:50,140
always has.

2092
01:21:50,140 --> 01:21:52,360
And then there'll be a gossip backend as

2093
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:53,920
well that will broadcast over gossip.

2094
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:57,820
And then we will add archiving to the

2095
01:21:57,820 --> 01:22:00,400
gossip as well so that you can go

2096
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:01,720
and grab it.

2097
01:22:02,180 --> 01:22:03,040
Spurlock's working.

2098
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:04,820
He's worked out a way to do it

2099
01:22:04,820 --> 01:22:07,220
on the AT protocol with a personal data

2100
01:22:07,220 --> 01:22:07,680
store.

2101
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:09,060
The AT protocol.

2102
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,260
That's isn't that good.

2103
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:13,320
That's BlueCry.

2104
01:22:13,740 --> 01:22:14,620
Yeah, exactly.

2105
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:15,180
BlueCry.

2106
01:22:15,180 --> 01:22:16,680
And then we'll go.

2107
01:22:16,820 --> 01:22:19,520
And then also, you know, we'll put it

2108
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:22,080
on object storage with a, you know, where

2109
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,420
you can just go to something like, who

2110
01:22:24,420 --> 01:22:31,160
knows, archive.podping.cloud slash current.

2111
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:33,680
And it'll give you the current, the current

2112
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:34,120
block.

2113
01:22:34,180 --> 01:22:35,460
And then you can walk things backwards.

2114
01:22:35,700 --> 01:22:38,560
So it'll, it'll, it'll be just as user

2115
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:38,820
-friendly.

2116
01:22:38,980 --> 01:22:42,520
A key factor in podping is always you

2117
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:44,880
don't have to rerunning a server to be

2118
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:46,240
able to find the stuff.

2119
01:22:46,480 --> 01:22:46,980
Yes, that's it.

2120
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:48,780
So that will not change.

2121
01:22:49,900 --> 01:22:52,100
1701 from Lycia, Martin Lindeskog.

2122
01:22:52,340 --> 01:22:55,660
How about verified podcasts via podcast index, podcast

2123
01:22:55,660 --> 01:22:58,120
hosting companies in the podcast standards project?

2124
01:22:58,900 --> 01:22:59,960
How about no?

2125
01:23:00,380 --> 01:23:01,860
No, no, not going to happen.

2126
01:23:02,820 --> 01:23:06,780
And Martin Lindeskog comes in again with Tonstoffel

2127
01:23:06,780 --> 01:23:08,740
best premises, which of course means there is

2128
01:23:08,740 --> 01:23:13,480
no, there's no something free lunch.

2129
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:14,220
I forget what it is.

2130
01:23:14,220 --> 01:23:14,900
What's the acronym?

2131
01:23:15,100 --> 01:23:17,500
T-A-N-S-T-A-F-L.

2132
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:19,560
There's no such thing as a free lunch.

2133
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:20,040
There we go.

2134
01:23:20,140 --> 01:23:20,760
Yeah, there it is.

2135
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:25,380
Hey, Franco Solario coming in from Castamatic.

2136
01:23:25,500 --> 01:23:26,140
Of course.

2137
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:27,540
1,000 sets.

2138
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:32,400
Testing CoinOS wallet on Castamatic via network, Noster

2139
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:33,300
wallet connect.

2140
01:23:34,140 --> 01:23:35,320
And they'll be, it worked.

2141
01:23:35,480 --> 01:23:36,340
He had a bit, he's got a big

2142
01:23:36,340 --> 01:23:36,940
release coming.

2143
01:23:37,140 --> 01:23:37,460
Yeah.

2144
01:23:38,660 --> 01:23:39,840
But I had a big release the other

2145
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:40,060
day.

2146
01:23:41,900 --> 01:23:43,440
It's on the poop tracker.

2147
01:23:44,820 --> 01:23:46,820
You know, ever since I mentioned that, I've

2148
01:23:46,820 --> 01:23:48,720
got all these follow requests on the poop

2149
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:49,040
app.

2150
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:51,740
Hey man, I want to follow your poop.

2151
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:53,500
No, no, no.

2152
01:23:53,620 --> 01:23:55,820
I'm not going to respond to your, I'm

2153
01:23:55,820 --> 01:23:58,000
not going to let you follow my pooping.

2154
01:23:58,080 --> 01:23:59,520
That's just for the, for the kids, for

2155
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:00,220
the secret group.

2156
01:24:00,660 --> 01:24:01,720
Another row of ducks.

2157
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:03,900
22, 22, Silas VT.

2158
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:06,940
Podcast 2.0 group taking way too long

2159
01:24:06,940 --> 01:24:09,660
and making every single tag way over complicated

2160
01:24:09,660 --> 01:24:13,100
and useless since whenever it started 2020 or

2161
01:24:13,100 --> 01:24:13,460
whatever.

2162
01:24:13,460 --> 01:24:14,320
Yeah, nice.

2163
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:15,340
Yeah, exactly.

2164
01:24:15,780 --> 01:24:16,980
It's kind of, kind of how I took

2165
01:24:16,980 --> 01:24:17,140
it.

2166
01:24:17,300 --> 01:24:18,120
Kind of how I took it.

2167
01:24:18,780 --> 01:24:21,040
Coming in from Castamatic, Sir Brian of London,

2168
01:24:21,180 --> 01:24:23,340
4,547 Satoshis.

2169
01:24:23,380 --> 01:24:24,180
I can boost again.

2170
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:26,460
Castamatic has allowed me to connect to my

2171
01:24:26,460 --> 01:24:27,260
own node.

2172
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:28,780
Now there's a hack.

2173
01:24:28,940 --> 01:24:29,180
Yeah.

2174
01:24:29,540 --> 01:24:32,080
Sending a best president, oh, 4547.

2175
01:24:32,500 --> 01:24:34,700
Sending a best president in history boost for

2176
01:24:34,700 --> 01:24:37,380
President Trump, dragging Israel into war and making

2177
01:24:37,380 --> 01:24:38,940
me wake up three times a night to

2178
01:24:38,940 --> 01:24:39,520
take cover.

2179
01:24:41,580 --> 01:24:42,380
That's funny.

2180
01:24:43,820 --> 01:24:46,620
Salty Crayon with the triple seven from Podcast

2181
01:24:46,620 --> 01:24:46,920
Guru.

2182
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:48,020
Howdy, Adam and Dave.

2183
01:24:48,180 --> 01:24:50,580
Update on more LLMs coming to the Department

2184
01:24:50,580 --> 01:24:52,360
of War, formerly known as the Department of

2185
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:52,720
Defense.

2186
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:55,300
Grok is next on the table.

2187
01:24:56,140 --> 01:24:58,280
Copilot is now on the third wave of

2188
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:01,940
signups and ChatGBT is in the coming soon

2189
01:25:01,940 --> 01:25:02,560
choices.

2190
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:05,740
And we just had customers that never knew

2191
01:25:05,740 --> 01:25:07,340
about Windows Update.

2192
01:25:07,460 --> 01:25:08,800
What a time to be a dude named

2193
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:09,060
Ben.

2194
01:25:09,340 --> 01:25:11,040
Praying for JCD and my sanity.

2195
01:25:11,500 --> 01:25:12,500
Salty Crayon.

2196
01:25:13,460 --> 01:25:15,300
I'm sure Department of War is a mess

2197
01:25:15,300 --> 01:25:19,520
with all those LLMs.  Another Martin Linda Skog

2198
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:21,000
from TrueFans420.

2199
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:22,720
I like the episode title Pod Snuggle.

2200
01:25:23,180 --> 01:25:24,960
Do you remember Dr. Snuggle's TV series?

2201
01:25:25,100 --> 01:25:25,800
Yes, of course I do.

2202
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:26,540
Absolutely.

2203
01:25:28,660 --> 01:25:32,220
221 from S3F from Seth.

2204
01:25:32,460 --> 01:25:34,940
S-E-S-3-T-H, Seth.

2205
01:25:35,580 --> 01:25:37,540
Love how Adam pretty much told James what

2206
01:25:37,540 --> 01:25:37,920
he thinks.

2207
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:38,340
LOL.

2208
01:25:38,660 --> 01:25:40,040
Love the banter and the spice.

2209
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:42,900
It's probably Sam Sethy.

2210
01:25:42,900 --> 01:25:45,600
He's sneaking in with some, like, TrueFans fake

2211
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:46,080
account.

2212
01:25:47,300 --> 01:25:47,900
Sirth.

2213
01:25:49,380 --> 01:25:50,840
Okay, all right.

2214
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:52,760
Couldn't decode it.

2215
01:25:53,340 --> 01:25:56,620
Franco Solario again from Castamatic5150.

2216
01:25:56,860 --> 01:25:57,480
No note.

2217
01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:00,500
We've got 330...

2218
01:26:00,500 --> 01:26:01,540
Wait, that's no agenda.

2219
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:02,120
No agenda.

2220
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:06,320
Podcasting 2.0. 333 from Eric PP from

2221
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:07,240
CurioCaster.

2222
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:08,200
Test 6.

2223
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:11,920
Eric PP from Fountain.fm. Test 5.

2224
01:26:13,700 --> 01:26:14,980
Um, 20...

2225
01:26:14,980 --> 01:26:15,840
Oh, there's the delimiter.

2226
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:16,840
So you're up.

2227
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:19,420
I got some pod...

2228
01:26:19,420 --> 01:26:20,800
Excuse me, some PayPals.

2229
01:26:21,620 --> 01:26:23,420
Cameron Rose, $25.

2230
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:25,300
Thank you, Cameron.

2231
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:28,580
The Content Creators Accountant, $50.

2232
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:30,400
Nice.

2233
01:26:31,060 --> 01:26:32,260
Yeah, that's a subscription.

2234
01:26:32,700 --> 01:26:33,340
PodPage.

2235
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:35,340
That's Brendan and the gang over there at

2236
01:26:35,340 --> 01:26:35,860
PodPage.

2237
01:26:35,980 --> 01:26:38,480
I've heard in pod news that they're doing

2238
01:26:38,480 --> 01:26:38,980
things.

2239
01:26:39,420 --> 01:26:40,060
$25.

2240
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:41,960
New Media.

2241
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:42,880
This is Martin Lindesco.

2242
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:43,300
Goes $1.

2243
01:26:43,620 --> 01:26:44,120
Thank you, Martin.

2244
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:44,860
Appreciate that.

2245
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:46,380
Joseph Maraca, $5.

2246
01:26:46,740 --> 01:26:47,420
Thank you, Joseph.

2247
01:26:47,980 --> 01:26:50,980
Oh, Oscar Mary, $200.

2248
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:57,480
Thank you very much, Oscar.

2249
01:26:57,540 --> 01:27:01,040
Oscar wants to talk to me about music.

2250
01:27:02,220 --> 01:27:03,080
It's tough, man.

2251
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:03,460
It's tough.

2252
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:04,580
The music is tough.

2253
01:27:04,820 --> 01:27:06,740
That's where the slop became a real problem.

2254
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:10,960
Yeah, no, it's almost lost at this point.

2255
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:13,300
Well, unless you got to pay.

2256
01:27:13,500 --> 01:27:14,700
If you got to pay for stuff.

2257
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:17,660
I mean, the same way the Nogent and

2258
01:27:17,660 --> 01:27:18,200
the show mixes.

2259
01:27:18,460 --> 01:27:19,060
It's just lost.

2260
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:19,740
It's not.

2261
01:27:19,940 --> 01:27:22,180
The art is lost.

2262
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:23,540
The art is lost.

2263
01:27:24,100 --> 01:27:26,180
Although, did you see the one we had

2264
01:27:26,180 --> 01:27:27,420
for this past episode?

2265
01:27:27,860 --> 01:27:28,360
I did.

2266
01:27:28,440 --> 01:27:29,000
That was funny.

2267
01:27:29,100 --> 01:27:29,740
Wasn't that great?

2268
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:32,560
Breaking.

2269
01:27:33,440 --> 01:27:33,600
Yes.

2270
01:27:33,980 --> 01:27:34,360
You go ahead.

2271
01:27:34,440 --> 01:27:34,820
Yeah, go ahead.

2272
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:35,580
No, break me.

2273
01:27:35,820 --> 01:27:36,620
It says Breaking.

2274
01:27:37,100 --> 01:27:38,120
JCD has a heart.

2275
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:40,280
Hilarious.

2276
01:27:42,260 --> 01:27:43,780
Gordon at God Caster.

2277
01:27:44,220 --> 01:27:44,660
What?

2278
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:45,840
$500.

2279
01:27:46,480 --> 01:27:46,620
What?

2280
01:27:52,220 --> 01:27:53,800
We paid ourselves.

2281
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:56,800
Now, Gordon.

2282
01:27:57,440 --> 01:27:57,980
Go ahead.

2283
01:27:58,080 --> 01:27:58,740
No, it's a no.

2284
01:27:58,840 --> 01:27:59,120
Go ahead.

2285
01:27:59,240 --> 01:27:59,620
It's a no.

2286
01:28:00,140 --> 01:28:02,000
Adam and Dave sending a boost from God

2287
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:02,360
Caster.

2288
01:28:02,740 --> 01:28:04,900
Home of the digital radio dial for Christian

2289
01:28:04,900 --> 01:28:05,500
Broadcasting.

2290
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:07,280
Grateful for the work you're doing for open

2291
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:07,900
podcasting.

2292
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:09,820
Just doing our part to help keep the

2293
01:28:09,820 --> 01:28:10,480
servers running.

2294
01:28:10,480 --> 01:28:10,940
Gordon.

2295
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:13,180
I am so happy that he did that

2296
01:28:13,180 --> 01:28:14,420
on behalf of God Caster.

2297
01:28:14,660 --> 01:28:15,980
And I really hope it is on behalf

2298
01:28:15,980 --> 01:28:16,700
of God Caster.

2299
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:20,300
Because without the podcast index, there would be

2300
01:28:20,300 --> 01:28:21,060
no God Caster.

2301
01:28:21,540 --> 01:28:22,200
That's right.

2302
01:28:22,460 --> 01:28:24,040
So well done.

2303
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:25,040
We're eating our own dog food.

2304
01:28:25,220 --> 01:28:25,460
Yes.

2305
01:28:25,580 --> 01:28:26,360
Well done, Gordo.

2306
01:28:26,460 --> 01:28:27,240
Thank you.

2307
01:28:28,940 --> 01:28:29,680
Let's see.

2308
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:30,100
Oh, yeah.

2309
01:28:30,100 --> 01:28:31,660
And we got some boosts.

2310
01:28:31,940 --> 01:28:32,900
Yes, thank you, Gordon.

2311
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:36,300
And let me sort this so I can

2312
01:28:36,300 --> 01:28:37,280
make some sense out of it.

2313
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:37,780
There we go.

2314
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:39,400
Anonymous.

2315
01:28:39,950 --> 01:28:40,640
True fans.

2316
01:28:41,580 --> 01:28:42,120
4785.

2317
01:28:42,440 --> 01:28:42,920
Thank you.

2318
01:28:43,820 --> 01:28:44,900
Another anonymous.

2319
01:28:45,220 --> 01:28:45,760
4785.

2320
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:46,320
And that's it.

2321
01:28:46,460 --> 01:28:47,920
We're just a good comic strip blogger.

2322
01:28:48,020 --> 01:28:48,360
All right.

2323
01:28:48,480 --> 01:28:49,120
The delimiter.

2324
01:28:49,660 --> 01:28:50,800
22,000.

2325
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:52,500
Sats.

2326
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:52,980
Nice.

2327
01:28:53,380 --> 01:28:54,060
Through Fountain.

2328
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:56,220
He says, howdy, Dave and Adam.

2329
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:59,160
Today, I want to recommend a podcast called

2330
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:01,020
The Audacity to Podcast.

2331
01:29:01,540 --> 01:29:05,100
Where Daniel, quote, gives you the guts and

2332
01:29:05,100 --> 01:29:07,400
teaches you the tools to launch and improve

2333
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:10,620
your own podcast for passion and profit.

2334
01:29:11,700 --> 01:29:13,300
P-R-O-F-I-T.

2335
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:20,260
That's popularity, relationships, opportunities, fun, income, or tangibles.

2336
01:29:20,740 --> 01:29:22,180
Ooh, I like that.

2337
01:29:22,860 --> 01:29:27,380
Its website is www.theaudacitytopodcast.com.

2338
01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:29,620
Yo, CSB, AI Arch Wizard.

2339
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:31,000
Yeah, I got to get in touch with

2340
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:31,100
him.

2341
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:33,720
He wants to do an AI Arch Wizard

2342
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:37,060
episode with me showing how I vibe code.

2343
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:39,060
Oh, do it.

2344
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:40,880
I want to see how you vibe code,

2345
01:29:41,020 --> 01:29:42,140
too, because it sounds horrible.

2346
01:29:42,580 --> 01:29:45,240
It's actually fantastic.

2347
01:29:46,180 --> 01:29:48,680
Running the same Python script through a prompt

2348
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:51,020
over and over again sounds terrible.

2349
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:52,460
It works so well.

2350
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:55,560
I can speed you up so much.

2351
01:29:55,780 --> 01:29:58,300
You know, I might have to do a

2352
01:29:58,300 --> 01:30:00,220
speed test with you because...

2353
01:30:04,620 --> 01:30:09,340
The superpowers plugin for Claude code is a

2354
01:30:09,340 --> 01:30:10,580
complete game changer.

2355
01:30:11,440 --> 01:30:13,160
You mistake me for a coder.

2356
01:30:13,820 --> 01:30:16,120
I mean, here's literally what I did yesterday.

2357
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:20,700
So the same Gemini Pro model that I'm

2358
01:30:20,700 --> 01:30:23,820
using for the co-producer recognizes a problem.

2359
01:30:24,440 --> 01:30:27,700
So now I've got it.

2360
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:29,000
OK, I've got a problem here.

2361
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:30,640
And I say, hold on, I'm going to

2362
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:31,700
take you over to engineering.

2363
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:33,980
And I copied the log and I put

2364
01:30:33,980 --> 01:30:36,480
it into the Gemini chat.

2365
01:30:37,260 --> 01:30:38,180
It's art engineering.

2366
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:40,360
This is what the co-producer said.

2367
01:30:40,420 --> 01:30:41,840
And it's like, OK, well, we'll fix this

2368
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:42,280
over here.

2369
01:30:42,380 --> 01:30:43,000
It was amazing.

2370
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:44,080
It was amazing.

2371
01:30:44,540 --> 01:30:45,320
I'm having a conversation.

2372
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:49,460
It's beautiful.

2373
01:30:49,580 --> 01:30:50,160
It's a beautiful thing.

2374
01:30:50,180 --> 01:30:51,620
Ship it to the correct department, please.

2375
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:54,420
I have to do this little segment every

2376
01:30:54,420 --> 01:30:56,620
single time because Spurlock loves it so much.

2377
01:30:57,380 --> 01:30:58,020
I bet.

2378
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,740
He thinks it's his favorite new segment on

2379
01:31:01,740 --> 01:31:03,260
the 2.0 podcast.

2380
01:31:03,500 --> 01:31:06,280
It's Adam's vibe coding stories.

2381
01:31:06,480 --> 01:31:06,660
Yes.

2382
01:31:08,580 --> 01:31:10,240
I mean, how many times did he just

2383
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:12,220
clinch his fist and rage at the sky?

2384
01:31:12,440 --> 01:31:13,200
No, I don't know.

2385
01:31:13,340 --> 01:31:15,740
No, I mean, he's seeing what it can

2386
01:31:15,740 --> 01:31:17,340
do for for nincompoops.

2387
01:31:17,540 --> 01:31:18,060
It's pretty good.

2388
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:18,880
Nincompoops.

2389
01:31:18,900 --> 01:31:19,640
I'm a nincompoop.

2390
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:20,600
I'm not a coder.

2391
01:31:21,300 --> 01:31:21,560
All right.

2392
01:31:21,580 --> 01:31:23,300
Do we have any any monthlies or we

2393
01:31:23,300 --> 01:31:24,540
get them all in that first batch?

2394
01:31:24,540 --> 01:31:24,920
That's it.

2395
01:31:25,100 --> 01:31:25,320
All right.

2396
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:25,720
We got it.

2397
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:28,040
Thank you all very much for supporting the

2398
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:28,860
podcast index.

2399
01:31:29,220 --> 01:31:32,180
It is of great importance that we continue

2400
01:31:32,180 --> 01:31:32,880
to fund this.

2401
01:31:33,260 --> 01:31:34,560
So we keep the machines worrying.

2402
01:31:34,660 --> 01:31:35,960
None of it goes to Adam or Dave.

2403
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:38,800
It all stays within the podcast index LLC

2404
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:43,480
and is kept there for just keeping everything

2405
01:31:43,480 --> 01:31:43,840
running.

2406
01:31:44,060 --> 01:31:45,920
And you can go to podcastindex.org.

2407
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:47,960
At the bottom, there's a big red donate

2408
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:49,340
button if you want to send us fiat

2409
01:31:49,340 --> 01:31:50,100
fund coupons.

2410
01:31:50,380 --> 01:31:51,740
And now that the fun is back and

2411
01:31:51,740 --> 01:31:53,820
boosting and the helipad is going to be

2412
01:31:53,820 --> 01:31:55,140
upgraded, keep those boosts coming.

2413
01:31:55,140 --> 01:31:55,720
We love it.

2414
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:56,980
We love seeing that.

2415
01:31:57,060 --> 01:31:58,400
And all of that stays on our node

2416
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:00,160
and eventually becomes valuable.

2417
01:32:00,260 --> 01:32:02,420
And then devalues and valuable and, you know,

2418
01:32:02,480 --> 01:32:02,840
whatever.

2419
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:06,820
We just provide liquidity for everybody.

2420
01:32:07,500 --> 01:32:09,200
Brother Dave, thank you so much, man.

2421
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:10,520
Thank you for arguing with me.

2422
01:32:10,580 --> 01:32:12,160
I love doing that with you.

2423
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:14,780
And I think it's productive.

2424
01:32:14,900 --> 01:32:16,360
I don't know if anyone found it entertaining,

2425
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:20,460
but you sure won't get that from those

2426
01:32:20,460 --> 01:32:21,520
AI numbnuts.

2427
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:23,640
Let's dive in, shall we?

2428
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:25,000
Yeah, let's do this.

2429
01:32:25,160 --> 01:32:26,740
Time for a deep dive on the Denny's

2430
01:32:26,740 --> 01:32:27,100
menu.

2431
01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:29,620
Board meeting, boardroom.

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Thank you very much for being here.

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We will return next Friday with more of

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your podcasting 2.0 boardroom.

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Until then, have yourselves a great weekend.

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Bye now.

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You have been listening to podcasting 2.0.

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Visit podcastindex.org for more information.

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Go podcasting!

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