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podcasting 2.0 for March
19 2021, Episode 29 where the

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castaways

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always searching for some kind
of tie in before the show is

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difficult. Friday afternoon once
again Time for a board meeting,

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podcasting 2.0 and discuss the
week's developments podcast

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index.org I'm Adam Curry in
Austin, Texas hand in Alabama.

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The Nester of the namespace my
friend on the other end, Dav

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castaways, I see what you did.
Yeah.

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Know, I know.

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What can I say? I made it
through the week. And I'm not

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dead. I mean that the universe
tried to kill me this week.

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Everything man you had corporate
tax day, which is a big deal for

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you, I think.

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Yeah. And death in the family.
As calcium kind of stomach

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virus. No, no, like, halfway
through the week. Yeah, like,

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half of my posts on the mastodon
were from the john. I you know,

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there must have been when your
sequel dump somehow you you got

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some kind of sympathy, sympathy
thing going on there with the

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code. You should watch that but
David, it's

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not very healthy. It's like, it
was like the the birth sympathy

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or pregnancies. Yeah.

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Sympathy. contractions, sympathy
sympathy. Sympathy dumps.

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Exactly.

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Speaking of dogs, I was I've
finished up something right.

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Before right before the show
here.

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Okay. Seriously, we do we need
to know about your dump before

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the show.

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That was such a smooth segue
that we did aid it didn't even

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come across. Now actually put
some stuff into our some new a

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new field into the into our
nightly database dump.

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Yeah. Which is the enclosure URL
of the most recent episode, I

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think. Yeah,

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that's right. Yeah, I just did
that like literally like an hour

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ago.

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Now what? Who, who benefits from
that? Just so I understand.

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I think everybody can benefit.
But the person who brought it

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up, they said they wanted it was
James Cridland. And the reason

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he wanted it was because he
wanted a way to compare. Well, a

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way to find out who did from one
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right. And also, I guess this
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that's been going on?

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Well, yeah, that's another thing
that can be gleaned out of it

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true. Yeah. I think like if you
have the last. So this is what

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happens. Sometimes, somebody
will use a host to host their

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mp3, but they'll self host the
feed somewhere else, right? So

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you really don't know like your,
you can be self hosted with your

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feed on like powerpress cast a
pod. But then you could have

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your mp3 is because of
bandwidth. You can have your mp3

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enclosures up with Lipson or
blueberry brussel sprouts like

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that. Right. And so I think it's
gives you another way just

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because just because the feed
didn't change doesn't mean the

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host didn't change. And so that
gives you another comparison

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route.

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Okay, now Oh, okay. Oh, good. I

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think it can, I think it could
be useful for other stuff too,

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like, we were talking about on
the mastodon where you have the

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ability now to, to do some
checking. So now you have a big

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dump of all the feeds and the
enclosures and this and now you

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can do things like check for
cores, access on the feed and

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the enclosures and see if some
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You know, this is such a such a
hassle. This course is just a

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nightmare,

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huh? Now, it's important though,
like so?

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I don't think but this seems to
be no universal. Kind of like,

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okay, here's my node ID which I
approve it from now on forever.

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That would be great. That's how
I that's what I'm looking for.

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It's like everyone is seems like
everyone has different ideas and

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how to implement it. But really,
it's the podcaster that should

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do it differently. But then, I
mean, I even saw that you have

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to ask void zero about something
with the podcasting 2.0 feed.

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What are we doing wrong with
horse? What do I do wrong now?

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I'm sad.

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Yeah. You're the the all the
feeds for us a nogen mo effects

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peace, peace, PC 20. They're all
none of them are cores, like

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they don't allow access, but for
people who may not understand

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this, it what cross core stands
for cross origin resource

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sharing. So the idea there is so
in the browser. The one thing

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that is sacrosanct is same
origin. So for in order for

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JavaScript To execute in the
browser, the browser has to have

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loaded a resource that is from
that server, that's or from that

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domain. Right. Okay. So the
origin domain is considered the

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only thing that can execute
JavaScript. communicate with

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other resource now

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that's okay. I understand the
hijack issues. Yes. Okay,

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good. So if you don't if you
have to, if you just willy nilly

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open up your pores and don't
think about it, well, you could

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end up allowing what's called
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and things like that were cut
where JavaScript in one site is

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executing code in another site.
So that's, you're screwed.

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I think that's a must be illegal
in many states.

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Yes, it is in Alabama.

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masca bitch. In Texas.

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For real Yeah, we. Well, I've
got a clip.

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Oh, lordy, Lordy. Oh,

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she's gonna get clips here.
Okay, this is completely

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irrelevant. I see. I got a clip
a memo

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though. Me Ma. Yeah. So I called
Mark marmi. Okay,

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yeah, you want to give a little
bit? Uh, yeah.

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This is the governor of Alabama,
Alabama.

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Even with this positive news. I
have been Dr. Harris and I both

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convinced that we need to get
past Easter. And hopefully allow

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more Alabamians to get their
first shot. Before we take a

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step at some of the states have
taken to remove the mask

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altogether and lift up the
restrictions. Folks, we're not

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there yet, but goodness knows
we're getting close. To bonafide

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auto will include several
changes that will ease up some

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of our current restrictions,
while keeping our mask already

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in place for another five weeks,
April 9. But let me be

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abundantly clear. after April
the ninth, I will not keep the

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mask on in effect. Okay. And
when we even even when we lift

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the mask off, I will continue to
wear my mask while I'm around

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others and strongly urge my
fellow citizens to use common

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sense and do the same thing.
There you go. That didn't stop.

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I actually forgot what was in
this. Because I've been carrying

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this clip for a few weeks.

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Well, what the one thing that's
interesting is that she sounds

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like that actor. This kind of
small guy, old guy gray hair,

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and he's always like the crazy
gay uncle. I don't know.

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She sounds like Foghorn Leghorn.

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Do you remember willing Grace?
Oh, no, you never watch willing

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grace. Okay, nevermind. Sorry.
It doesn't matter.

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What that Okay, so that that
accent is Old South? Oh, yeah,

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it is. And that is pre priests.
Whenever you hear somebody in

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the south talking like that.
They they either come from Old

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South politics, or Old South
money. That's you too, because

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nobody talks like that in the
state of Alabama. Except for

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about there's only about 5% of
our of Alabamians or Georgians

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or Mississippians that sound
like that where they live, where

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they have the soft are on the
end right? sound like it's

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certainly Foghorn Leghorn.

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And when you encounter one of
these 5% do you go kick him in

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the shins? Or or what are you
supposed to do?

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Now? Cuz, buddy go

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Oh, okay.

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No, they're usually they're
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politics, but that no, that's
not ad. This is like say it's

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completely off topic. But the
she screwed this up so bad

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because which the power of the
mask mandate is the lifting of

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the mandate? Yes, of course.
Because Yeah, cuz then you can

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say three

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die. Yes. Freedom. Freedom.

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Yes. Which you never you never
want to say, okay, we're gonna

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lift the mass mandate. But I
encourage you to still wear one.

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that's wrong. That's that's what
Adler said here in Texas in

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Austin.

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Yeah, that's a total screwup
Just wait Just wait and lift it

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when you can actually do it
don't don't like you know half

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acid like

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Dave, don't get me started on
this place. Sorry. Don't get

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Don't get me started. Hey,
chapters are going nuts. So I'm

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seeing people tweet their
smartwatches I think using

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podcast addict where the chapter
images chapter artists rotating

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on their watch. overcast has not
after implementing chapter

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images, if you want to embed
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showing so showing chapter links
with URLs. So even though he

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didn't know Even though Yeah,
even though he's doing it his

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own way, we're driving
innovation because clearly these

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are features that his users want
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Oh, yeah. That was a that was
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whole. him skipping?

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Ah, yeah. Yeah, whatever. He
reversed that. But But yeah,

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that's that's for the ad guys to
go figure out I'm not that

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interested. But the fact that
we're driving features in his in

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his universe, I think is
important. Well,

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I think we can I think we're
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that's one of the things that
we're going to add. In Phase

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Three, we need to talk about
that. One, if you want to do

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that, or gas. Yeah,

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I'd like to do that with the
guest. Okay, who is who is

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patiently standing by. So?

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Yeah, but we're gonna drive that
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need to put some more stuff into
the chapter spec. I love the

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chapter spec because it's
extensible. And we may get our

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first extension this on this
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here. What's that gonna be?

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location, we need to put the
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Right, right, and can be an
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each chapter mark.

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Yeah, yeah. So you could tag
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and stuff like that.

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Right. So that's the map guys
who showed up. That was really

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nice to see them. What are they
called? The maps? Fm map.fm.

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Yeah. FM. I love this. I love
like, Hey, I'm a map guy. Got

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anything for map guys?

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Yes, we did. Why? Yes.

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We do have Oh, this is nice,
too. They have one of their

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their podcasts where they have
with podcasts. Oh, it's all is

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all podcasts?

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Yeah, I think it's a podcast.

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Oh, okay. Discover great
stories. Maps. FM helps you

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discover great stories about the
places we live the places we're

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from, and the places we travel.

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Yeah, I mean, like, Chapter
stuff would be perfect.

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No, it's outstanding. This is
cool with this map. Zoom in. Can

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I be the first in Austin?

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Unlikely.

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This is like geo tagging. Do you
remember geo tagging?

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Oh, hell yeah. Well, you know, I
way back when I still had my I

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river recorder. mp3 player.
Yeah, it is old ran on us, I

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think a single double A battery
forever. I and I hooked it up to

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a professional wireless lav
microphone, which didn't even

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have to be wireless. But it had
some dynamics in there. The

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combination with the with the I
river was just fucking amazing.

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I record in my airplane,
everything with that thing. So I

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do what I then called sights,
sound seeing tours. And I but I

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had it, it was stereo. So I
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the most memorable ones probably
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at midnight, nothing but
homeless people. And you know, I

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was just talking to all of us
seeing what was going on with

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him. And others walk around. And
then and it gave a really cool

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Kind of, yeah. In a way virtual
reality. If you just close your

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eyes and just listen to it, you
know, it was really nice. And

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now theater of the mind is
totally theater of the mind. So,

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you know, being able to add some
things to visualize that,

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especially with location, I'm
seeing how important searches is

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has become. Really is it I think
it really is a big way people

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find stuff. Well,

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I mean, how had a look, Alabama
grist mill is right.

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I mean, I know it sounds like
Captain Obvious is yes.

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Yes. had this idea that search
officers Yeah.

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It's just I look for the
interactions, you know, how

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people share podcasts, okay.
And, you know, they go to their

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Google or DuckDuckGo, which is a
browser with a homepage set to,

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you know, whichever search
engine it is, and they just type

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it in there. And they'll click
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many people searched for it in a
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look for it online first and
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doesn't seem to be a
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people just tell someone else
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maybe I mean, does our search is
it okay does it need to improve

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like how does it suck? Do we
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Sometimes I feel like I have to
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Yeah. So that part is very non
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my search.

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You have been through so many
searches. No.

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centralized search.

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That was my favorite AC E.

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Yeah, another what search engine
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god, I ran GAC instances. And it
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results that would come up were
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anything anywhere else. You
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Like Yeah, okay, this is Adam.
I'm Google Search googling, I'm

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searching myself.

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Shit. Yeah,

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I remember cuz that was the one
that you could like hook in your

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own your like your own stuff. So
it would index other things

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besides just the internet, I'm

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sure. A little world I'm sure I
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something like that with me at
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Well, you I mean, I had an AC
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rating, we're federating AC
servers. Okay. Alright. boomers,

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shut up and move on with
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to our guest, cuz I think that
this kind of falls into we got

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to do some hot namespace talk.
We didn't have it last show a

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lot of complaints.

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lot of complaints. Yeah. The
cancel cannon is coming. coming

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for Patreon. And for and for
podcast advertisers. Oh, yeah.

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So you actually have that
article I'm having in front of

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me. And was it the New York
Times? Talking about a variety?

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variety? Okay, there's your
Hollywood insider magazine. So

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they're putting together a
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Advisory Committee.

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You're gonna tell me how this
works. Because I bailed out on

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this article, like two
paragraphs. And because I

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thought this is this is Adams
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of organizations that aims to
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dialogue in media.

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Yeah. Okay.

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So I'll explain what this is. So
the big advertisers, who really

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can't be bothered with, they
just want to report and how much

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did I get return on investment
for my money. And someone can

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always say half of it worked. We
just can't tell you which half

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that's the old joke. But, but
the agency sits in the middle,

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and they are the buyers and they
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historically, these have been
very young people to very shit

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paying job. And you actually
make a, you get a lot of

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incentives from the media
networks, with, you know, Knicks

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tickets and stuff like that. So
this, you know, there's a lot

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of, and then just open about it,
you know, it's like, yeah, I'll

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place an order with him. So it's
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And it's the brown shoes, guys.
You talk about?

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No, no, the brown shoe guys and
gals are the ones that go out on

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the road and sell hard for like
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You know, that's, that's around
you. And you got to have

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polished as brown shoes to do
that job. Yeah, no. So these are

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just media buyers who sit in the
cube, and any of them just kind

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of working through the
spreadsheets and doing the

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numbers and trying to get some
ROI. And they have a manager,

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but no one really cares about
them that much in my experience.

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And so now that we know,
podcasting is a problem it,

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everyone wants to try and
capture it, everybody wants to

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have their hand on it. And the
content thought police don't

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like it. We've talked about the
articles, Hey, who's moderating

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that shit over there. And it's
really to protect big brands,

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who want nothing unsafe near
their content. So the the this

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Roundtable, who, of course, are
experts in all of these

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podcasts, and will have listened
to every single second of every

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single one of them knowing
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problematic. They'll make a
list. And that list will be

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places that you don't
necessarily want to advertise on

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because it could be problematic,
or triggering, or anything like

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that now have a scale. It's like
the Southern Poverty Law Center,

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they're going to have charts and
they'll publish reports, it's

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Roundtable, they will accomplish
nothing, the only be

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destructive. And I think it's
partially, just to I won't even

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say it's political, I'd say it's
just to, they just can't fucking

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stand it. They want control over
this wild west. Like this. It's

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too good, you know, and look,
they're bumbling around, they

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clearly can't make any money out
of this thing. It's only worth a

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billion dollars. Hey, we'll come
in, we'll shore that shit up.

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And we'll make it great for
advertising. That's what's going

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on here.

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That's interesting. Because I
was looking at this Magellan top

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15 advertisers in February of
2020 when I printed this out, so

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if you add it all up their top
15 is like 28 million. So that's

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about 340 million annually from
these top. So you have about a

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third of the total revenue comes
from 15 advertisers, yeah,

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annually. That's not very broad.
It's not broad and the so but if

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you dig down a little deeper and
look at which ones of these are

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just kind of VC, so better
helps. recruiter Hello, Fresh

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Express VPN

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now those are all really call to
action ads. So it involves you

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remembering the code typically
toted Yeah, different type of,

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of budget, different type of
deal. And there is some

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performance based on, on on
what's happening. Because that's

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because I mean, this is deja vu
had the same conversations the

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same bullshit, brand safe
content. We need to have codes

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to really know that people are
listening and not just

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downloading and not listening.

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Oh,

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damn shit. This is why we're
here. This is why we're here.

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What happens when the VA when
these VC what companies flip

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like betterhelp? That's like a I
think that's like a mental

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health thing.

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The advertisers, these are

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the advertisers. Yeah. Their
help was number one at 4.3

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million. Yeah,

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you get an implosion like sock
puppet, pets.com. Bubble.

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I mean, if they if they keep
that up, they've been the top

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they've been the top advertisers
not three months.

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What I need to know is Verizon
advertising is at&t advertising

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is Pfizer advertising. That's
what I need to know. Is BMW

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advertising is GM advertising.
Are they on the list? Well,

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I mean, you got you got Geico
progressive NBC? No, no, I'm

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talking about America on

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Thursday, so I'm talking capital
arm, pharma. Okay, they got

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financials? IBM?

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No, there's no pharma on this
list at all. Look,

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I'm going to tell you what the
end, what always winds up

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happening. I'm just gonna say
right now, when you have a

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monetization system, is you
always wind up making content

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for the advertiser. And, and
where typically winds up with

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podcast networks. And you're
already seeing this at Spotify,

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is they're doing podcasts. On
spec, they're doing they're

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doing basically native
advertising. For the big

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advertisers, I will do a series
about you know, building,

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putting together IKEA furniture,
IKEA. You know, we'll do a

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podcast about that. And I've
been down that road. That's what

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always winds up. What always
winds up happening.

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Yeah, it's annoying. If these VC
if these, like so much of this

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list at the top is top heavy
with VC backed companies, those

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things can implode so fast. If
if the like, there's 4.3 million

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from betterhelp 1.8, from
ziprecruiter, 1.8, from

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hellofresh and 1.7. From
ExpressVPN. If those things

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vanished within a couple of
months, I mean, that's like 50

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million in revenue gone
annually. Like packages

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evaporate. I don't think I mean,
I said very,

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very, very small. It's very,
very small. A billion dollars is

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nothing in 17 years. 18 years.
It's nothing.

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It's not what what one pharma
company probably does that.

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We're gonna run a billion
dollars a year in satoshis to

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podcast ecosystem

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match based based on how much
thanks was robbed the chat was

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rockin this week. Holy

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shit, that was crazy. is
outrageous. I'd sent you the

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chart right of the I mean, we've
already done 13,000 transactions

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30 days trailing, which means
the podcast index has been

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involved in 13,000 transactions.
That's that's pretty this.

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We're, that's on the way up.

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Well, it's me. Usually I wake up
in the morning, unless Fink's

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chat has the little badge on it
that says you have any new

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messages or in the trouble? Oh,

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I had to get a new app. Mine
crashed. There were too many

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messages. Really? Yeah. What

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did I mean I woke up, I guess it
was Thursday morning. And I

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usually it's like, 2815 to 20. I
woke up and it was 400. And I

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was like,

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Marty in the head, Paul, on
that. Tales from the Crypt.

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Yeah, I mean, it was it went to
the next sort of the next level.

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Oh, yeah. A couple of days ago.

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Now. It's and we'll also, you
know, the Sphinx guys have

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figured out that there's still
some growing pains, but they

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figured out their node
provisioning. So that's that's

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rockin Yeah. Marty's coming to
Austin.

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Is he is moving there.

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Now. He says a pilgrimage with
his smoking hot wife. I said,

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Oh, good. I'll introduce you to
my smoking hot wife. We'll go

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out to dinner.

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Yeah, that'd be nice. Yeah. So
where's he where's he lives in

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California? Gosh, I

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want to say he lives I don't
know. I really, I think he lives

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in some like between us. 67 and
use 68 on the on the UHF dial. I

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was listening that space in
between those two, between home

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shopping your local home
shopping and a Bible guy. You

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know, that's that's one of those
men.

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Yet, that's one thing you'll
need more of an Austin is more

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people.

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So really. So just hooking into
that then I want to get to our

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guests. This bubble graph that
Martin marnix is made. Yeah. Oh

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my god. I mean, that's
beautiful. Now, if you look at

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this, and if you haven't seen
that, put a link in the show

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notes. When you see this graph,
it represents for the first

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time, you know, people say, what
is podcasting, this is a

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visualization of the value flow
of the podcast eco system. I

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mean, it is, to me, it is
absolutely a thing of beauty. In

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the way you can see the
connections and who's routed to

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who this is going to be that
somehow this, this visualization

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of what's going on is going to
be important in the future. I'm

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not quite sure why. But it feels
like you almost want to I want

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to surf those nodes. You know,
like, Here I am on a on a

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surfing like, oh, I've got a
channel, Oh, I got a fat ass

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channel over here, what's
connected to this. I mean, this

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may be how you can discover
podcasts, based upon proximity

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to nodes, you know, I'm, I'm
trying to get my swings relayed

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to which is working now I'm
trying to get it is supposed to

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be able to create the virtual
nodes. So I can just invite a

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whole bunch of people and they
can use the the Sphinx chat app

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does I haven't gotten that
working yet. But I can. So if

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you're connected to one of
these, like Uncle Jim nodes with

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1000s of buddies hanging off of
it, you're all kind of using one

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lmd even though you have your
own keys, that's the whole idea

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of this. We've talked about we
talked about in the last show

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with Paul and Evan, that you
might surf this this bubble

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graph is that oh, this is a
community over here. No, that

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could be a tribe it can be a
node, people are hanging off a

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node you're like oh, who's here
you know and and maybe that's

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where you find you may it's like
the ultimate clubhouse yet

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they're also feeds for, for
they're all podcasts related,

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which is very, it's very
important how Pete This is what

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share my opml was always
supposed to be remembered, but

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it never really paid. It was
just, you couldn't This to me is

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the visualization. So now if I
can see if I would be able to

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see your breeze node, I'm just
in like why wouldn't I? I don't

447
00:27:41,100 --> 00:27:43,170
know if that's even possible.
I'm just saying it let's say

448
00:27:43,380 --> 00:27:49,620
you're you know as a standalone
podcast app then I and maybe you

449
00:27:49,620 --> 00:27:52,890
would let me see your
connection. Well now I could see

450
00:27:52,890 --> 00:27:55,470
your connections from your
wallet to the other podcast

451
00:27:55,470 --> 00:27:59,070
you're listening to and I can
even see how much you value each

452
00:27:59,070 --> 00:28:04,890
one of them here really values
this podcast highly and look

453
00:28:04,890 --> 00:28:09,120
where he valued it at this at
this time stamp oh maybe listen

454
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:10,530
to that part as a clip.

455
00:28:11,550 --> 00:28:14,190
Maybe we should maybe we should
go ahead and bring in our guest

456
00:28:14,190 --> 00:28:15,240
because I think this is

457
00:28:16,589 --> 00:28:21,419
so right. And he's been very
kind waiting. Waiting for us in

458
00:28:21,449 --> 00:28:26,729
which thing now it's only six
hours later than than us because

459
00:28:26,729 --> 00:28:31,979
we somehow jumped to daylight
savings time. Very happy to have

460
00:28:33,149 --> 00:28:38,429
from Paris. from Paris, France.
Benjamin Bellamy. He is the man

461
00:28:38,429 --> 00:28:41,819
behind Casta pod. Welcome to
podcasting. 2.0 Take a seat at

462
00:28:41,819 --> 00:28:42,989
the board table.

463
00:28:44,010 --> 00:28:44,700
Hi guys.

464
00:28:46,109 --> 00:28:47,189
Hey guys, there

465
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:47,640
is

466
00:28:48,510 --> 00:28:52,200
I have a beef with you right off
the bat he

467
00:28:52,350 --> 00:28:55,830
like like a true French man
comes out swinging. Okay, what's

468
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:56,160
up?

469
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:03,360
I have a beef with you and it is
that you? I heard on this

470
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:10,920
morning on pod land. That you
were on there? Yesterday. What

471
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:16,800
is up with that? Why did you on
Cridland podcast? Oh

472
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:17,700
no.

473
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,700
Yeah, that's true. I hope that
you wouldn't have listened to it

474
00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:24,570
yet. Ah, man.

475
00:29:24,599 --> 00:29:27,089
That's a rookie mistake for a
guest buddy. I'll

476
00:29:27,090 --> 00:29:30,150
tell you. No, I skipped it. I
skipped the whole I skipped the

477
00:29:30,150 --> 00:29:32,160
whole thing eluded

478
00:29:32,580 --> 00:29:35,580
me to I wanted to go in fresh.
Absolutely.

479
00:29:35,609 --> 00:29:38,249
Yeah. And I don't want to I
don't want Cridland infecting my

480
00:29:38,249 --> 00:29:38,549
mind.

481
00:29:41,849 --> 00:29:45,419
So Benjamin, first of all, How'd
that go? that interview with pod

482
00:29:45,419 --> 00:29:46,649
land wasn't fun.

483
00:29:48,810 --> 00:29:51,330
I don't know if we couldn't say
it was fun. It was really

484
00:29:51,330 --> 00:29:55,470
interesting. Actually, it was
not we've Gen script and it was

485
00:29:55,470 --> 00:29:56,520
with Sam city.

486
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,080
Oh yeah, Sam Of course. Yeah.

487
00:29:58,470 --> 00:30:02,970
We're gonna have a couple weeks.
As you might have guessed, they

488
00:30:02,970 --> 00:30:09,300
are really interesting. In the
podcast recommendation tag that

489
00:30:09,660 --> 00:30:12,450
I suggested, I think it was last
week.

490
00:30:13,950 --> 00:30:14,820
Yes, well,

491
00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:23,009
eventually, we talked about
many, many things about what we

492
00:30:23,009 --> 00:30:27,899
do in the company that my
partners and I started to build

493
00:30:28,019 --> 00:30:28,829
two years ago.

494
00:30:29,099 --> 00:30:31,859
And this is what I want to get
into. We're gonna we're gonna do

495
00:30:31,859 --> 00:30:35,819
some some name some hot
namespace talk with you. Cuz,

496
00:30:35,819 --> 00:30:41,249
you know, you're French, so. But
I'd like to understand a little

497
00:30:41,249 --> 00:30:45,959
bit about your background. And,
you know, so I'm familiar with

498
00:30:45,959 --> 00:30:50,699
Casta pod, which is the I would
say the premier self hosting

499
00:30:50,729 --> 00:30:54,359
solution. And I mean, it's it's
different from WordPress, but

500
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:56,429
you know, then we'll get into
the details of it.

501
00:30:57,300 --> 00:31:01,740
And, by the way, I'm not the
only one behind it. We are

502
00:31:02,910 --> 00:31:04,560
working hard on it. Yes.

503
00:31:05,369 --> 00:31:08,729
Is that pod Libra? Is that the
organization that you and your

504
00:31:08,729 --> 00:31:10,979
partner have? Yep.

505
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:16,710
pod Libra is kind of a brand,
where we are putting every open

506
00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:19,140
source solution that we're
building.

507
00:31:20,250 --> 00:31:23,610
Got your cast, which I thought
was very interesting.

508
00:31:23,820 --> 00:31:28,290
Yeah, exactly. But everything is
hosted by the same company,

509
00:31:28,350 --> 00:31:33,900
which is called ad ohyes. Which
means to to the IRS in Latin.

510
00:31:34,350 --> 00:31:41,580
Wow. Okay. Very nice. And
actually, currently, I'm working

511
00:31:41,580 --> 00:31:46,950
on castparts, but not full time.
And yes, in the re, is also

512
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:53,010
working on it. And he's much
better developer than I am. I'm

513
00:31:53,010 --> 00:31:54,870
not your real developer, right.
every

514
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:57,810
developer I speak to says that
now that guy's much better than

515
00:31:57,810 --> 00:32:00,030
me. And it's much better than
me. I'm no good.

516
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:07,800
Yeah, but I'm no good. And I'm
old. Well, this is

517
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,710
a crummy developer, who's old
that.

518
00:32:13,290 --> 00:32:16,470
Welcome home. Benjamin, you're
here with the crummy developer,

519
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:23,520
old guys? Yes. Beautiful. So
this is not this is purely an

520
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,490
open source project doesn't make
money do you have value

521
00:32:26,490 --> 00:32:30,180
donations is? Or how do you pay
the rent? If you don't mind?

522
00:32:30,180 --> 00:32:30,540
Yes.

523
00:32:32,490 --> 00:32:37,620
So you talked about the gas? I
didn't know that. You ever heard

524
00:32:37,620 --> 00:32:41,760
of this? Yes. Very proud of it.
And by the way, I'm a little

525
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,390
impressed and intimidated to be
in a podcast with the birth

526
00:32:45,390 --> 00:32:45,930
father.

527
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:49,650
Oh, please. No, that's very kind
of you to say, but you are you

528
00:32:49,650 --> 00:32:54,930
are a full fledged member here
in the boardroom doing doing

529
00:32:54,930 --> 00:32:57,930
important work, I am very
important what you're doing. And

530
00:32:57,930 --> 00:32:58,380
I

531
00:32:58,380 --> 00:32:59,670
don't think I'm worthy, but

532
00:33:00,089 --> 00:33:02,489
the important part time CEO.

533
00:33:03,780 --> 00:33:04,320
Right.

534
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:09,390
So in the beginning, we were
working on the gas, because our

535
00:33:09,390 --> 00:33:14,550
company which is selling
contextual monetization

536
00:33:14,550 --> 00:33:24,300
solutions for podcasters. We, we
hear that Apple was too powerful

537
00:33:24,330 --> 00:33:33,960
and has a censorship, power on
everything. So we, we sold that.

538
00:33:34,980 --> 00:33:44,760
And an index that would be free
from censorship would be very

539
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:51,300
soon necessary and mandatory for
us to be able to work. And back

540
00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:56,580
in 2019, we were at the podcast
movement in Orlando with my

541
00:33:56,580 --> 00:34:01,320
partner, and we started talking
about this project to everyone.

542
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,840
And we got on the negative
feedback.

543
00:34:05,220 --> 00:34:06,720
Wow, really?

544
00:34:06,990 --> 00:34:12,420
Yeah. But really interesting
feedback. People were explaining

545
00:34:12,420 --> 00:34:18,420
to us that either user would
wouldn't see the point like

546
00:34:19,530 --> 00:34:26,310
podcaster. That until you get
kicked out. Yeah, you don't see

547
00:34:27,570 --> 00:34:28,470
the added value.

548
00:34:28,530 --> 00:34:32,220
Exactly. Now, let's just give
you a trying to explain what der

549
00:34:32,220 --> 00:34:35,190
cast is. Dave, have you seen
this product? Dirk has never

550
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:40,140
even heard of it. Oh, so it's
dude. It's on pod libra.org. And

551
00:34:40,140 --> 00:34:43,620
so the idea is it's a podcast
index, which is stored on the

552
00:34:43,620 --> 00:34:46,980
blockchain. I'm just gonna cut
straight to it. So and that's

553
00:34:46,980 --> 00:34:50,010
it. So you can't be d
platformed. But they they and I

554
00:34:50,010 --> 00:34:53,610
just read through the
description briefly. There is a

555
00:34:53,610 --> 00:34:59,400
way to augment or change your
entries I believe. It's not

556
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,150
necessarily All immutable Is
that correct? Benjamin?

557
00:35:03,180 --> 00:35:06,900
Yeah, yeah, it's a blockchain.
So if you want to put a new

558
00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:10,680
information on top of an older
one, you can just blow it out.

559
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:16,440
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. The idea was
to be able to write and to read

560
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:20,160
so that anyone could be able to
read from the index and to write

561
00:35:20,190 --> 00:35:24,000
into the index. Because right
now with the apple podcasts

562
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,120
index, you need permission to
read and you need permission to

563
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:27,720
write.

564
00:35:28,530 --> 00:35:32,190
Yes, yes, yes. Yes. Well, so
when you saw pod, the podcast,

565
00:35:32,190 --> 00:35:36,990
index.org project come up. Is
that is that you say, oh,

566
00:35:36,990 --> 00:35:40,350
finally someone gets it? or How
did you hear about us? What

567
00:35:40,350 --> 00:35:41,040
happened there?

568
00:35:41,700 --> 00:35:47,850
No, we first said, This guy
stole our idea.

569
00:35:49,290 --> 00:35:51,450
Fucking Americans goddamnit.

570
00:35:53,310 --> 00:35:57,840
They took our palm free and call
the french fries. Yeah, exactly.

571
00:36:00,450 --> 00:36:06,510
I actually, we were thrilled
that you you launch it because

572
00:36:07,020 --> 00:36:15,870
we had to, to realize that we
couldn't handle that project. We

573
00:36:15,870 --> 00:36:23,730
were we weren't legitimate to do
it. Other people have tried to

574
00:36:23,730 --> 00:36:26,820
do it. But that failed. And we
would have failed Of course.

575
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:34,230
Well, it's it's really? Yeah,
it's a really good. It was

576
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:38,130
really good news, when we saw
that. You, you did it for us?

577
00:36:38,580 --> 00:36:41,550
And for free, because then we
wouldn't have to pay for it?

578
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,370
Well, exactly. I mean, it's
just, it's just value for value.

579
00:36:44,370 --> 00:36:46,920
And you know, you I know you
understand that concept. But

580
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,850
yes, I'll tell you that I'm
personally at then I think Dave,

581
00:36:50,850 --> 00:36:53,190
once he takes looked at it will
be very interested in the

582
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:56,550
concept because, you know, one
of the things that is on our on

583
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:59,940
our list is okay, how do we
replicate this? How do we not

584
00:36:59,940 --> 00:37:03,750
become the weakest? The weakest
link in the chain? How do we how

585
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:06,990
do we distribute and
decentralize the whole function?

586
00:37:06,990 --> 00:37:11,040
Now? That's just going to take
time? Because, I mean, it's when

587
00:37:11,070 --> 00:37:13,650
you're literally building in
your case, it would be like a

588
00:37:13,650 --> 00:37:16,080
new blockchain, you know, and
then you got to get some

589
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,220
consensus, and developers have
to agree and, and I think Dave

590
00:37:20,220 --> 00:37:24,660
Knight, like stuff that just
kind of magically happens. Much

591
00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:27,330
like my favorite, we don't like
manage anything. That's that's

592
00:37:27,330 --> 00:37:30,450
not really the point of this.
And so far that that's, that's

593
00:37:30,450 --> 00:37:35,220
been going really well. And what
I love about your story, is, you

594
00:37:35,220 --> 00:37:41,430
know, you are you're like us,
me, you're radical. And and I

595
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:44,850
have a feeling that is that
something typical for you, your

596
00:37:44,850 --> 00:37:48,870
family? Is it? Is it just being
French? I mean, is that is their

597
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:52,890
overall vibe of fuck the man.
We've seen some of it on the

598
00:37:52,890 --> 00:37:56,580
streets. But that's it. I'm
really I love that I'm impressed

599
00:37:56,580 --> 00:38:00,990
with this vigor about getting
away from the central

600
00:38:01,020 --> 00:38:03,300
centralized corporate corporate
interest.

601
00:38:03,930 --> 00:38:06,660
I don't think we're radical at
all. On the contrary, we are

602
00:38:06,660 --> 00:38:12,030
very pragmatic. Yes. Business
and doing business, we pry your

603
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:18,750
true competition. And if there
is no competition, either, it

604
00:38:18,750 --> 00:38:22,710
means that there was no market
server from the beginning, or

605
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:27,090
that someone has a monopoly,
which is messing up with

606
00:38:27,090 --> 00:38:35,250
everything. So it of course,
there's a value issue here. And

607
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:43,800
we didn't start working on open
source last year. But the the,

608
00:38:44,130 --> 00:38:49,650
the the first motivation that
drove us to do that was

609
00:38:49,650 --> 00:38:54,090
business. It's good for
business, open sources is a good

610
00:38:54,090 --> 00:38:57,570
thing for business. It is I so
agree with you, I we look at

611
00:38:57,570 --> 00:39:01,350
this project, and I've done lots
of startups, and I've done

612
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,550
venture capital private
financing, I've taken the

613
00:39:05,550 --> 00:39:09,900
company public, this is by far
the most rewarding, most fun

614
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:15,210
I've ever had. I mean, and and
if it works out, yeah, we'll be

615
00:39:15,210 --> 00:39:18,870
able to participate in some of
the upside. But what we're

616
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:21,930
doing, I think, for the
ecosystem and how that's come

617
00:39:21,930 --> 00:39:25,890
together, I can't I can't speak
on your behalf day, but this is

618
00:39:25,890 --> 00:39:27,420
like a dream gig.

619
00:39:28,140 --> 00:39:30,810
Oh, yeah. Yeah, a lot. Oh, It's
lots of fun. I agree with that.

620
00:39:30,810 --> 00:39:36,120
100% I mean, open source allows
you to grow beyond your own

621
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,870
capacity. Yeah, that's only good
for a project. I mean, you can't

622
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,480
otherwise, like literally I
would have to be doing

623
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,590
everything. And number one, I
can't. And I don't think a team

624
00:39:46,590 --> 00:39:51,420
you know your size can either,
Benjamin, but then beyond that.

625
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:55,440
There's things I don't know. I
mean, we have so many people

626
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,330
that are contributed indeed the
one thing you like we didn't

627
00:39:57,330 --> 00:40:01,710
even talk about this last week
was Stephen King. I just

628
00:40:01,770 --> 00:40:05,610
completely redesigned our entire
documentation. We mentioned it

629
00:40:05,610 --> 00:40:09,390
briefly. eautiful Yeah, yeah.
It's beautiful. And he, I mean,

630
00:40:09,390 --> 00:40:11,910
he just took that upon himself
because he's a documentation

631
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:15,120
guy. That's sort of what he does
for his main. But here,

632
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:20,220
here's the main one. So he did
that. And then I think there was

633
00:40:20,220 --> 00:40:23,970
Martin, I think he said, when I
was shit, I the older one wasn't

634
00:40:23,970 --> 00:40:27,270
broken, I liked it the way it
is, but okay. Now, in a

635
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:30,720
corporate environment, there
would have been a meeting with

636
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:35,160
had a meeting notes, a follow
up, and some managers gonna have

637
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:40,230
to come in and say, Good focus
group, black box, white box, a B

638
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:48,210
testing, and then shit never
gets done. Yep. To Benjamin cast

639
00:40:48,210 --> 00:40:53,160
a pod, which I think is an
essential part of the ecosystem.

640
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:59,340
So when we decided that the
forecast would stay in a drawer

641
00:40:59,340 --> 00:41:06,000
for quite a long time, we opened
the second roller and there was

642
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,530
just a wish list in that one.
And it was cast apart because we

643
00:41:10,530 --> 00:41:15,840
thought that actually, when we
started working on podcasts, we

644
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,680
started to host a few ones we
chose but cash generator from A

645
00:41:20,190 --> 00:41:28,860
to B tele show from RSS. Yeah.
Because it's, it's open source,

646
00:41:28,890 --> 00:41:35,970
PHP, very easy, no database. And
very soon we we were blocked

647
00:41:35,970 --> 00:41:41,730
because we couldn't enter like
season numbers. And when we

648
00:41:41,730 --> 00:41:46,890
needed a modern version for
that, so we we just wrote down

649
00:41:46,890 --> 00:41:51,690
the wish list. And weeks after
weeks, months, after months,

650
00:41:51,870 --> 00:41:57,150
that wish list became so good
looking, that we started talking

651
00:41:57,690 --> 00:42:03,990
about it around us. And
eventually, we we sent it to nl

652
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:05,880
net, which is

653
00:42:08,100 --> 00:42:10,140
I remember those guys, that's
old school

654
00:42:10,140 --> 00:42:15,420
Grumman Netherlands. Yeah. Old
school group. Sure. And they,

655
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:21,060
they work on the MG zero funds,
rents from the,

656
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,070
from Europe.

657
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:29,250
And they accepted our project.
So you got accepted. He got a

658
00:42:29,250 --> 00:42:31,950
grant for this. Yeah. Grant.

659
00:42:33,060 --> 00:42:34,230
That's great. I love

660
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:35,670
that. Fantastic.

661
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:39,810
So the grant is not paying for
everything that we're doing on

662
00:42:39,810 --> 00:42:46,470
that. But the thing is, first,
we had confirmation that this

663
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:51,810
was really something useful,
that it's meant something not

664
00:42:51,810 --> 00:42:59,550
just for us, right. And then
they're, they're behaving as a

665
00:42:59,580 --> 00:43:04,290
client. But okay, and who will
not be using the product he's

666
00:43:04,290 --> 00:43:06,240
buying? So

667
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,310
this government is a government
grant, or is this a private a

668
00:43:11,310 --> 00:43:12,360
private foundation?

669
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:15,660
No, no, it's so good. It's more
like it's government's. It's the

670
00:43:15,660 --> 00:43:17,760
Europe. Yes, your long

671
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:23,040
leave the EU, we're gonna fund
this great idea and not use it

672
00:43:23,130 --> 00:43:24,030
now. Right?

673
00:43:24,090 --> 00:43:28,860
It's a cascading fund. So
Europe, give them the grant so

674
00:43:28,860 --> 00:43:33,210
that they're redistributed,
making it rain. So they were

675
00:43:33,210 --> 00:43:37,650
very picky about everything that
we we propose, but in a very

676
00:43:37,650 --> 00:43:42,840
good way. They asked us to
change many things. And but

677
00:43:42,990 --> 00:43:46,110
everything they asked, made so
much sense,

678
00:43:46,140 --> 00:43:48,630
what was their main focus was
their main focus, because this

679
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:52,980
is very interesting. You know,
this is, in essence, a podcast

680
00:43:53,010 --> 00:43:56,730
content management system that
you can self host. And we'll get

681
00:43:56,730 --> 00:43:58,590
to the details of it. I'm sorry.

682
00:43:58,650 --> 00:44:02,490
First, I think the thing that
they liked the most about our

683
00:44:02,490 --> 00:44:08,610
project and our approach was the
fact that we we wanted to, to

684
00:44:08,610 --> 00:44:11,730
make together podcast and
diverse.

685
00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:14,310
Right?

686
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,010
That's not in there yet. No, no,

687
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,840
but yeah, he's under the hood
there.

688
00:44:19,140 --> 00:44:22,470
Okay. It's coming. It's a matter
of days.

689
00:44:23,340 --> 00:44:25,560
Because you're because you're
working on activity pub, right.

690
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,390
Sorry. Yeah. On the activity
posts. Yeah, actually, it's

691
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:33,570
not me. It's yesin. Okay, yeah,
but that's come How do

692
00:44:33,570 --> 00:44:34,920
I spell Yes. Saenz name

693
00:44:35,970 --> 00:44:43,500
why a si and E. Okay. So,

694
00:44:44,610 --> 00:44:47,400
you were telling about what,
what what they like very much

695
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:48,270
What the?

696
00:44:48,900 --> 00:44:53,130
Yeah, and they were already
concerned about privacy issues.

697
00:44:53,130 --> 00:44:55,860
Like for instance, at the
beginning, we wanted to, to

698
00:44:55,860 --> 00:45:02,400
embed or already you know, the
NPR Yeah, the preposition to.

699
00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:05,070
Yeah, the tracking, tracking.
Yeah.

700
00:45:05,100 --> 00:45:14,490
Analytics. And they, they dug
very deep into into that. And

701
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:20,610
they didn't ask us not to put
that they gave us a solution so

702
00:45:20,610 --> 00:45:26,070
that it would be GDPR compliant.
Legal solution. Yeah. technical

703
00:45:26,070 --> 00:45:30,180
solution so that we would be
GDPR compliant? No, man,

704
00:45:30,180 --> 00:45:32,940
you're really on the inside you
getting all the tricks and tips

705
00:45:32,940 --> 00:45:38,700
from the Yeah, and the gang.
Nice. So have you Deaf to

706
00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:43,980
deliver regular reports? And is
there a final, final phase to

707
00:45:43,980 --> 00:45:47,220
this where it's completed and
the grant is fulfilled? Or when

708
00:45:47,220 --> 00:45:48,990
you hopefully go back to ask for
more?

709
00:45:50,730 --> 00:45:56,820
So the way you get paid? That is
the question is, you have to

710
00:45:56,820 --> 00:46:01,410
publish the code. So you just
provide a get URL. And that's

711
00:46:01,410 --> 00:46:01,770
it.

712
00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:06,179
Oh, man, I was ready to come to
come to Paris and present with

713
00:46:06,179 --> 00:46:09,689
you like, Hey, everybody,
Bonjour. She will tell Adam

714
00:46:09,689 --> 00:46:12,749
leappad further, the pod pair,
just so you know.

715
00:46:13,950 --> 00:46:16,650
I'm counting here. We got like
20 GitHub repos. I mean, we

716
00:46:16,650 --> 00:46:17,340
could really

717
00:46:20,670 --> 00:46:22,680
well, this is so it's real,
that's really interesting is

718
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,160
very forward looking at and
congratulations on. on doing

719
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,630
that. I've done a couple of
things with the with government.

720
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:33,870
And I always found that quite
kind of achy. After a while, I'd

721
00:46:33,870 --> 00:46:36,210
see what's going on over there.
I'm like, God, man, I really

722
00:46:36,210 --> 00:46:38,700
don't want to have anything to
do with this. But you seem to be

723
00:46:38,700 --> 00:46:40,290
navigating that very well.

724
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:47,310
Well, the thing is it. This is
my first time working with them.

725
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:56,040
I heard some some guy, Ludovic
dubis, who is working for x

726
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,640
wiki. I don't know if you know
that. His solution is named

727
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:06,540
crypt pad. And it's end to end
encryption. Notepad. Oh, cool.

728
00:47:06,930 --> 00:47:12,000
It's, it's really cool. And he
had been working with an L net.

729
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,620
So we talked together. And he
explained to me how it works.

730
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:24,660
And and then everything went
pretty straightforward. You, you

731
00:47:24,660 --> 00:47:30,480
just send the project you want
to build, and then they come

732
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:38,430
back with 2000 questions, which
are really, really relevant.

733
00:47:38,670 --> 00:47:42,930
Like they really try to
understand how it's going to

734
00:47:42,930 --> 00:47:46,890
work. They're really good
question like, question. You

735
00:47:46,890 --> 00:47:49,980
say, Oh, yeah, that that's a
good question. I haven't thought

736
00:47:49,980 --> 00:47:50,460
of that.

737
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,600
That's different than it, isn't
it? Oh, my God, the bureaucracy

738
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,290
here. Yeah, you send in
something. And then you wait six

739
00:47:58,290 --> 00:48:02,670
months, and you get some form
letters that don't actually say,

740
00:48:03,630 --> 00:48:11,730
not everything works that way.
Sure. And, and then you agree to

741
00:48:13,110 --> 00:48:17,490
a moo, moo, memo or memorandum
of understanding and

742
00:48:18,450 --> 00:48:20,910
love those in Europe, we're
going to give not really going

743
00:48:20,910 --> 00:48:23,520
to give you a contract wouldn't
give you like, like a pre

744
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,510
contract. It's kind of like
third base, and third base?

745
00:48:30,060 --> 00:48:34,890
Well, I've got, I want to ask
you about this. If we can veer

746
00:48:34,890 --> 00:48:37,140
off here for a second, I want to
ask you about the podcast

747
00:48:37,140 --> 00:48:43,590
recommendation spec. Because I
think the it's like once you

748
00:48:43,710 --> 00:48:49,440
read through it, and once I
understood it, once I understood

749
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,830
what you're trying to do, I can
see its applicability

750
00:48:52,860 --> 00:48:57,150
everywhere. Like every time I
hear something, I'm like, okay,

751
00:48:57,150 --> 00:48:59,940
that could be a podcast
recommendation in point that can

752
00:48:59,940 --> 00:49:03,780
be one that could be one that
could be one. So like, I want

753
00:49:03,780 --> 00:49:08,400
everybody, I'm just gonna give
you my understanding of what

754
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,300
this is. And you can tell me
where I'm wrong or how you a

755
00:49:12,300 --> 00:49:17,490
tweak this. So basically, what
you're the goal here would be to

756
00:49:17,490 --> 00:49:22,680
take the power to take recommend
recommendations or podcast

757
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:27,090
discovery, and put it back into
and put it into the hands of

758
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:34,380
podcasters or hosts themselves,
rather than the somehow some

759
00:49:34,380 --> 00:49:39,180
other entity. So you're, like
moving the control of

760
00:49:39,630 --> 00:49:45,450
recommending things and
discovery of things into where

761
00:49:45,450 --> 00:49:49,950
the podcaster is really the
primary focus. Is that fair?

762
00:49:50,580 --> 00:49:58,350
Yeah. This is one part of what
we have in mind when we when we

763
00:49:58,350 --> 00:50:03,840
were sat down The thing is,
right now when we talk about

764
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:09,150
recommendation, I don't know if
you do, but I, that's the way I

765
00:50:09,180 --> 00:50:15,420
think of it, I think of Netflix
or Amazon, when you buy books.

766
00:50:16,110 --> 00:50:22,440
Usually, what you see is people
who saw that also like that, or

767
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,590
people who read that book also
liked that book. Yeah, I think

768
00:50:25,590 --> 00:50:31,260
it's kind of creepy. And most of
time, it's not relevant. It's,

769
00:50:31,950 --> 00:50:37,050
you're creating bubbles. And
it's, it's not very good

770
00:50:37,050 --> 00:50:41,130
recommendation. We've been
working on recommendation

771
00:50:41,130 --> 00:50:48,720
systems for decades. So that's
something we think is missing.

772
00:50:48,750 --> 00:50:54,420
And because podcasting is
decentralized, by essence, it's,

773
00:50:54,690 --> 00:51:01,500
it can be even more complicated.
So what we need is a way to

774
00:51:01,860 --> 00:51:06,900
create recommendation that are
not based on the user profile,

775
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:11,880
but on the content that you're
listening to. The content should

776
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:17,100
bring the recommendation, not
the user. And this is something

777
00:51:17,100 --> 00:51:19,110
that we do every day.

778
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,950
By telling people Hey, you
should check this out.

779
00:51:23,490 --> 00:51:29,700
Yeah, you're currently reading
this or listening to this. So

780
00:51:29,730 --> 00:51:35,760
this might be interesting also,
but not because you, you went to

781
00:51:35,790 --> 00:51:40,710
this website, and but this and
read that and watch that video

782
00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:41,400
on YouTube. Now,

783
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,570
it would be the if there would
be the equivalent of the author

784
00:51:45,570 --> 00:51:49,170
of the book you're reading to
recommend other books? Exactly.

785
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,860
Yes, that's what that's the way
I thought of it too, because you

786
00:51:52,860 --> 00:51:56,340
have. So one of the things that
I do as an MRI book is, is

787
00:51:56,340 --> 00:51:58,770
perfect example. One of the
things I always do and I'm

788
00:51:58,770 --> 00:52:04,530
reading a book is, as the or an
article is, as the author is, is

789
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,430
quoting other people from other
books, um, I'm always writing it

790
00:52:08,430 --> 00:52:12,330
down, so that I can go in either
buy those other books, or for

791
00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:15,900
some health research them. I did
that this just this past week, I

792
00:52:15,900 --> 00:52:19,500
was reading Glenn Greenwald
article. And he mentioned some

793
00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:22,800
other book, but that he said,
was really good. And I went on

794
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,130
Amazon, after I finished the
article and bought the book. So

795
00:52:26,130 --> 00:52:30,390
like, in this regard, you could
have a podcast, where they're

796
00:52:30,420 --> 00:52:34,080
talking about certain things,
and they're recommending other

797
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:38,550
things, other podcasts, but
books, videos, all these kinds

798
00:52:38,550 --> 00:52:40,140
of it's almost like the show
notes. I

799
00:52:40,140 --> 00:52:43,740
was gonna say recommendation, it
ties into shownotes. It also

800
00:52:43,740 --> 00:52:47,190
ties into chapters, in a way.
Yeah,

801
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:47,460
it's

802
00:52:47,460 --> 00:52:48,840
part of the same thing.

803
00:52:49,499 --> 00:52:58,109
Yeah, I didn't try to hide that.
It's inspired by what was

804
00:52:58,229 --> 00:53:03,119
already done. But one side
effect for that would be like

805
00:53:03,569 --> 00:53:07,019
reading lists, or I don't know,
a listening list. I know how

806
00:53:07,049 --> 00:53:12,569
we'd call them. The way
recommendation works, and it

807
00:53:12,569 --> 00:53:18,029
does work right now is people
who are manually doing reading

808
00:53:18,029 --> 00:53:23,879
lists, like this week in France,
slate, slate friends, they

809
00:53:23,879 --> 00:53:30,509
started a podcast application
with manual recommendation. And

810
00:53:30,509 --> 00:53:35,939
that works. But if you want that
to work on any platform, you

811
00:53:35,939 --> 00:53:40,319
need to get it into the feed.
Yeah, yeah. And so you need you

812
00:53:40,319 --> 00:53:43,529
need a new tag and a new tag
dedicated to recommendation.

813
00:53:43,529 --> 00:53:44,129
Okay, hold

814
00:53:44,130 --> 00:53:53,370
on a second. When you say tag we
say balls, your bench. namespace

815
00:53:53,370 --> 00:53:56,670
talk couldn't be any better than
our Parisian friend.

816
00:53:57,810 --> 00:54:03,120
That Okay, so I want I want to
try to get this into phase

817
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,160
three. I really, I think,

818
00:54:05,610 --> 00:54:06,720
I think it's genius.

819
00:54:07,230 --> 00:54:11,400
Because I think that other so
you could have in Tell me if

820
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:15,270
I'm, if I'm offending you by
this, but not just the

821
00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:20,070
podcasters. But you can also
have the host, the hosting

822
00:54:20,070 --> 00:54:23,820
companies could also insert
recommendation tags.

823
00:54:24,990 --> 00:54:28,800
I'll do I can see, I can see a
million features. We know I

824
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:34,140
might want to have clips that I
use on the show, you know,

825
00:54:34,170 --> 00:54:38,160
somehow point to the original,
you know this and it could be

826
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,700
automated even but it I think
the point that Benjamin's making

827
00:54:41,700 --> 00:54:46,590
is the recommendation is fucking
beaut. I think that's it.

828
00:54:47,130 --> 00:54:50,550
Instead of someone other people
who read the book, get the

829
00:54:50,550 --> 00:54:53,010
recommendation from the guy who
wrote the book.

830
00:54:53,460 --> 00:54:54,540
Yeah, that's,

831
00:54:54,690 --> 00:54:58,860
that's so powerful. And it
really it really is just

832
00:54:58,860 --> 00:55:02,910
powerful. But really like that
it's an it's such a small nuance

833
00:55:02,910 --> 00:55:03,810
and thinking Really?

834
00:55:04,380 --> 00:55:07,350
Yes, I'm looking through your,
I'm looking through this, the

835
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:13,590
the examples. And the one this
really cool is you can have as

836
00:55:13,590 --> 00:55:17,490
part of the recommendation you
can have embed a sound bite into

837
00:55:17,490 --> 00:55:19,830
there so that you if you're
recommending another podcast,

838
00:55:19,830 --> 00:55:23,040
you can actually have a sound
bite of that other shit. Really?

839
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,280
Yeah. Oh, wait, now could you
make that bi directional, where

840
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,420
if I shoot off a recommendation,
can it pull back a current sound

841
00:55:30,420 --> 00:55:32,010
clip from that podcast?

842
00:55:33,090 --> 00:55:35,520
Yeah, this it's got the enclosed
got a reference to the enclosure

843
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,920
and the starting in the
duration. Right.

844
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,160
But we're gonna saying is that
it'd be cool if I could read the

845
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,800
other feed that I'm pointing to
and bring in their starting

846
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,730
points. their their their sound
clip? Their sound? Yeah, yeah.

847
00:55:47,730 --> 00:55:49,350
To me make it connected.

848
00:55:50,820 --> 00:55:53,430
That I don't know, we think we
think big. I mean, that seems

849
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:54,630
like an API job to me.

850
00:55:55,289 --> 00:55:55,829
Yeah.

851
00:55:58,770 --> 00:56:02,070
We have to think about that. I'm
just dreaming, fellas.

852
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:08,640
Yeah, this is this is such a
beautiful because it you know,

853
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,130
that's really we spent a lot of
time over the last couple of

854
00:56:11,130 --> 00:56:15,450
weeks in Adam, you know, you
rewrote your whole what is

855
00:56:15,450 --> 00:56:20,970
podcasting 2.0 thing and which
is is good. Henson and back to

856
00:56:20,970 --> 00:56:26,100
you. But a marked it up I think
is great. And that. I think that

857
00:56:26,370 --> 00:56:30,510
one thing I'm noticing in when I
kind of realized that when I was

858
00:56:30,510 --> 00:56:33,450
reading through the podcast
recommendation spec last week,

859
00:56:33,780 --> 00:56:38,520
was that that's another aspect
of podcasting. 2.0 is taking

860
00:56:39,210 --> 00:56:45,750
control put moving the locus of
control back into the, like,

861
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:49,110
closer to the source. Yeah,
exactly. podcaster.

862
00:56:49,170 --> 00:56:53,790
The podcaster makes the content
the content beautifully flows

863
00:56:54,030 --> 00:57:00,240
from their fabulous tool that
creates their podcast that man

864
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:04,710
we've never, we have so much
work to do on tools. And then it

865
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:08,310
comes into the into the these
these new apps that are just

866
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:12,540
sitting there ports open going
feed me some beautiful shit.

867
00:57:13,260 --> 00:57:16,770
Like just give it to me, and we
don't need anybody else.

868
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,540
How are you? How are you? how's
this gonna bake into Casta pod?

869
00:57:21,540 --> 00:57:23,430
What's what is it gonna look
like?

870
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:32,730
Actually, I can see different
ways exactly as, as we are

871
00:57:32,730 --> 00:57:38,010
working now for the transcripts
or the chapters. Because the

872
00:57:38,010 --> 00:57:43,890
goal of cast upon is to, to make
sure that the podcaster can do

873
00:57:43,890 --> 00:57:49,680
whatever he wants to. So there
are basically two kinds of

874
00:57:50,370 --> 00:57:55,410
recommendation that we can think
of think of. The first one is

875
00:57:55,440 --> 00:58:01,830
manual. So like, the podcaster
wants to recommend a specific

876
00:58:01,830 --> 00:58:06,840
episode, maybe she's because he
is talking about the subject

877
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:11,670
that he already mentioned, like
two years ago, and on. He

878
00:58:11,670 --> 00:58:17,700
remembers it, but no one else
will. So he can manually select

879
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:22,950
a soundbite from an old episode
are an hour or something from

880
00:58:22,980 --> 00:58:27,930
another podcast. Or maybe he
wants to share our audience with

881
00:58:27,930 --> 00:58:33,990
a friend. So instead of saying
in the middle of something, hey,

882
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:37,980
go listen to both of our
podcast, he can add the link to

883
00:58:37,980 --> 00:58:42,480
the other podcasts. So that you
don't have to look for it. And

884
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,870
to say, Oh, where is that
podcast I heard about you just

885
00:58:45,870 --> 00:58:50,910
click on it. Nice. So and
that's, I think that's quite

886
00:58:50,910 --> 00:58:56,430
powerful. And that's just
manual. Then, if you are I don't

887
00:58:56,430 --> 00:59:01,710
know you are doing a podcast on
let's say black holes and you

888
00:59:01,710 --> 00:59:07,950
want to find any podcast talking
about the same subject, you may

889
00:59:07,950 --> 00:59:12,270
be using an external service
that will be indexing and

890
00:59:12,270 --> 00:59:18,270
looking for these for yourself.
So you will embed a link which

891
00:59:18,270 --> 00:59:21,420
will dynamically create the
recommendations.

892
00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:24,570
Nice.

893
00:59:25,860 --> 00:59:29,550
Defend you and you can do both.
You can do both because you can

894
00:59:29,550 --> 00:59:33,000
have two links one which is
manual and what which is

895
00:59:33,210 --> 00:59:33,960
dynamic.

896
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:37,500
Yeah. Okay. So let's see here
you can have at the channel or

897
00:59:37,500 --> 00:59:39,960
the item level, and it can be
you can have more than one. You

898
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,390
can have just as many batches of
these as you want.

899
00:59:43,050 --> 00:59:50,070
And then if you you want to make
a living out of your podcast by

900
00:59:50,220 --> 00:59:55,770
sharing urgence I don't know
maybe some service will provide

901
00:59:55,770 --> 01:00:00,000
that. you subscribe to it and
you said this is my passion.

902
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,140
with gas, and I want to share
audience with someone else

903
01:00:04,740 --> 01:00:07,680
that I wanted to talk about this
last week with Paul and Evan,

904
01:00:07,830 --> 01:00:11,760
because I'd read, I'd read your
spec. And I, and I was thinking

905
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:16,080
the whole time, I was like,
Okay, I have tribes that listen

906
01:00:16,110 --> 01:00:21,510
that I'm that I'm a part of on
Sphinx chat. And there are other

907
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:25,560
related tribes there. That would
just be a natural, it would be

908
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:31,170
such a natural fit for somebody
like seeks to have an endpoint

909
01:00:31,170 --> 01:00:35,250
for recommendations. So a tribe,
you know, they can just like

910
01:00:35,250 --> 01:00:38,370
they're not even hosting podcast
or anything like that. But

911
01:00:38,370 --> 01:00:42,120
instead, you could go out there
and just pull a recommend like,

912
01:00:42,690 --> 01:00:46,860
just pull a recommendation XML
from the negative have an

913
01:00:46,860 --> 01:00:50,700
endpoint that just serves you
the recommendation XML for a

914
01:00:50,700 --> 01:00:51,570
certain tribe.

915
01:00:51,630 --> 01:00:55,170
And this is where we're coming
up against some interesting

916
01:00:55,380 --> 01:01:01,980
flows. Now, Dave, you and I have
both seen the the forthcoming

917
01:01:01,980 --> 01:01:06,060
breeze app, which is pretty much
dedicated to, you know, the big

918
01:01:06,060 --> 01:01:10,230
podcast button, and there's
podcast player in there. And

919
01:01:10,950 --> 01:01:13,980
which, by the way, I was
delighted to find out that was

920
01:01:14,130 --> 01:01:16,470
the code from the anytime
player, which has been

921
01:01:16,500 --> 01:01:21,840
podcasting 2.0. Member for, I
was like, wow, that's that's

922
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:26,700
your code idea. But the
features, so you know, they're

923
01:01:26,700 --> 01:01:30,990
very focused on making. And it's
obvious that that's what they're

924
01:01:30,990 --> 01:01:33,420
working on. So with swings is
just getting, I mean, they're

925
01:01:33,420 --> 01:01:37,590
still just getting the plumbing
working. So for them to start

926
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,790
putting resources towards stuff,
it's just going to take them a

927
01:01:41,790 --> 01:01:45,300
while. And it's kind of the
inverse of what we have with

928
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:50,010
overall take hypercare or pod
friend, I know they're working

929
01:01:50,010 --> 01:01:54,990
on it is, you know, all the
features implemented, everything

930
01:01:54,990 --> 01:01:58,260
is is slick, and they're
improving the user experience.

931
01:01:58,590 --> 01:02:03,240
But yeah, they don't have the
Lightning Experience. So I'm

932
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,670
hoping that somehow these worlds
are going to come closer and

933
01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:08,430
closer together. I know that
Brees is going to put all their

934
01:02:08,430 --> 01:02:12,060
code out there for everyone to
strap on. Just strap on strap on

935
01:02:12,270 --> 01:02:15,810
developers strap on Hey, strap
on Willie,

936
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:22,050
that there may be a solution to
that. Because it's not the first

937
01:02:22,050 --> 01:02:29,400
time you're mentioning it.
First, I must confess that I

938
01:02:29,670 --> 01:02:36,780
have no clue how, how this works
at the lightning stuff. I'm

939
01:02:36,780 --> 01:02:40,680
currently installing it in the
on my Raspberry Pi. But that's

940
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:41,760
how far I got.

941
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,420
You're doing the dirty work. Oh,
yeah.

942
01:02:45,990 --> 01:02:47,880
Yeah, I feel dirty. That's

943
01:02:49,110 --> 01:02:50,730
get get a big hard drive.

944
01:02:52,260 --> 01:02:58,950
But eventually, I'm pretty sure
that I won't make it. So what

945
01:02:58,950 --> 01:03:06,150
that thing would work. What we
need for this to work is to to

946
01:03:06,150 --> 01:03:10,410
have different teams working on
different stuff that are really,

947
01:03:10,410 --> 01:03:14,610
really far away from each other,
the lightning part and the

948
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,110
podcast part.

949
01:03:16,829 --> 01:03:19,349
That's current situation is
that?

950
01:03:19,709 --> 01:03:25,979
Yeah. I don't know if that's
good news. You You tell me. So

951
01:03:26,579 --> 01:03:32,309
three months ago, we went back
to an air net. And we suggested

952
01:03:32,459 --> 01:03:38,969
that we propose to to build a
podcast application, open source

953
01:03:38,999 --> 01:03:47,639
GPL, v3 for iOS and Android. And
that would aggregate the podcast

954
01:03:47,909 --> 01:03:50,279
app and the fediverse. Bar.

955
01:03:50,580 --> 01:03:52,380
Oh, nice.

956
01:03:53,730 --> 01:03:59,550
That's, that's would be open
source. So if someone wants to,

957
01:04:00,510 --> 01:04:04,200
to integrate, and to add the
lightning part on that, that

958
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:05,730
would be ways to do it. Right?

959
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:06,690
Yeah. Yeah.

960
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,650
So you're talking about just you
would be making just sort of a

961
01:04:10,650 --> 01:04:14,220
skeleton app that brings these
pieces together. It would be

962
01:04:14,220 --> 01:04:17,190
open source so that somebody
else could pick it up and and

963
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:18,840
begin to build out something?

964
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:22,770
No, no, no, no, it's not a
skeleton. It's it's a full

965
01:04:22,770 --> 01:04:29,160
fledged app, which we're gonna
call probably cast about up.

966
01:04:29,460 --> 01:04:33,150
You can compile it and put in
the App Store basically. Right.

967
01:04:33,540 --> 01:04:39,300
Yeah. So so it's going to be
fruiter. Yeah, so it works on

968
01:04:39,300 --> 01:04:47,190
both iOS and Android. Google
Play Apple, Apple Store and F

969
01:04:47,190 --> 01:04:54,720
droid and source code. Now, if
so if you want to add features,

970
01:04:54,990 --> 01:04:55,830
be my guess.

971
01:04:56,940 --> 01:05:02,130
That that's cool as well. Cool.
If Do you have any with

972
01:05:02,130 --> 01:05:10,110
recommendations? I think you
can. I was thinking, that

973
01:05:10,110 --> 01:05:15,030
podcast guru and pod verse. This
seems like, right in their

974
01:05:15,030 --> 01:05:20,340
wheelhouse to me. Oh, because
totally. I mean, that's, I don't

975
01:05:20,340 --> 01:05:23,040
know, there's something that the
it just feels right for that

976
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:29,100
sort of, because you have things
like hyper catcher that, you

977
01:05:29,100 --> 01:05:31,770
know, hit everybody. It's like,
it's sort of what you're talking

978
01:05:31,770 --> 01:05:34,350
about being a, I guess I'm just
thinking about this for the

979
01:05:34,350 --> 01:05:38,040
first time. So I'm a little
stuttery on it. But it seems

980
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:43,770
like everybody has their thing
that their focus, yeah, if each,

981
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:47,550
each application has a
personality of its own, where

982
01:05:47,550 --> 01:05:50,850
you can tell what the difference
is, you can tell by looking at

983
01:05:50,850 --> 01:05:55,560
it, what the developers first
love was. And that remains, you

984
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:58,560
know, obviously, with pod versus
clips, you know, with pod

985
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:02,760
friend, its ease of use and
feature completeness, with hyper

986
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:06,750
catcher is is chat chapters and
rethinking the UI, and having a

987
01:06:06,750 --> 01:06:10,290
new new experience. And you can
go on and on. And so like every,

988
01:06:10,470 --> 01:06:13,860
every app has its own
personality. Same with cast,

989
01:06:13,860 --> 01:06:18,780
apod, and, and powerpress, and
all these kind of things. So

990
01:06:18,990 --> 01:06:24,780
it's like, they can all have
pieces of the ecosystem

991
01:06:25,050 --> 01:06:27,990
together. And so then you bring
in, like what you're talking

992
01:06:27,990 --> 01:06:31,410
about with a with an open source
app, and everybody can

993
01:06:31,410 --> 01:06:34,020
contribute, and you get
something greater than, than the

994
01:06:34,020 --> 01:06:38,610
hole. And you can have a people
can contribute code. I mean,

995
01:06:38,610 --> 01:06:40,890
that's what people have been
doing with podcasting. With

996
01:06:40,890 --> 01:06:44,850
podcast index. I mean, I don't,
you know, I don't understand how

997
01:06:44,910 --> 01:06:50,580
I didn't write, you know, what,
1% of what's on the website.

998
01:06:51,060 --> 01:06:53,820
Now, that was all that's all
been being done by other people.

999
01:06:54,090 --> 01:06:58,050
And I'm glad that that did that.
Didn't went that way, because it

1000
01:06:58,050 --> 01:07:01,980
wouldn't be as good if I'd done
it all myself. It everybody else

1001
01:07:01,980 --> 01:07:05,400
has things they're good at. And
I think it makes a stronger

1002
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,610
product. If it's open, and
everybody can contribute,

1003
01:07:08,670 --> 01:07:12,390
because everybody else brings
their own flair to the table.

1004
01:07:12,420 --> 01:07:16,500
Well, so that would be you know,
we're gonna pressure the breeze

1005
01:07:16,500 --> 01:07:21,600
guys to do that. Hey, breeze,
guys. Racing breeze guys, go

1006
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,450
over there and help us project
out. So everybody can bake one

1007
01:07:24,450 --> 01:07:27,690
of these, they win no matter
what the they got the back end.

1008
01:07:27,690 --> 01:07:31,170
So they're very happy. They want
more, they want more people to

1009
01:07:31,170 --> 01:07:32,040
use their code.

1010
01:07:34,110 --> 01:07:40,680
Yeah, about the Cassiopeia app.
We, I wouldn't call it a

1011
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:45,510
skeleton. But definitely it's,
it's a toolbox of framework so

1012
01:07:45,510 --> 01:07:52,770
that you can use it and reuse
it. And for instance, because we

1013
01:07:52,770 --> 01:07:59,190
worked with nl net, there, we're
very picky again. And I had very

1014
01:07:59,910 --> 01:08:03,330
specific questions and one of
them that they were really

1015
01:08:03,330 --> 01:08:08,160
concerned about privacy. And
when one thing, one thing that

1016
01:08:08,430 --> 01:08:15,000
they really care about is how
secure are your data as a user,

1017
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:18,510
and if you are listening to a
podcast, who knows that you're

1018
01:08:18,510 --> 01:08:22,470
listening to it? And even before
that, when you were looking for

1019
01:08:22,470 --> 01:08:27,060
REITs? Who knows what you're
looking for? And they asked us

1020
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:33,120
if it was possible to embed
within the app, the index. So

1021
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:37,650
that's when you are looking for
a podcast? No one knows because

1022
01:08:37,650 --> 01:08:42,420
it's looking within a local
index. So we said, Yeah,

1023
01:08:42,420 --> 01:08:47,760
probably we can download the
podcast index index, or a part

1024
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:53,490
of it, let's say on the French
podcast or true crime podcast.

1025
01:08:53,700 --> 01:08:58,080
And then you can make an app
that's specific for a specific

1026
01:08:58,710 --> 01:09:06,900
audience, either for a target
language country, or for kids.

1027
01:09:07,140 --> 01:09:15,450
And and you have a system, that
whole ecosystem that lives by

1028
01:09:15,450 --> 01:09:15,900
itself,

1029
01:09:15,930 --> 01:09:20,220
how about this bent? How about,
you got that over there with the

1030
01:09:20,220 --> 01:09:25,080
Castor pod app. And then we have
the index over here, we create

1031
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:30,450
the the initial flow, and we get
it to you through the blockchain

1032
01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:36,690
to get you started. And then and
then you can just you could

1033
01:09:36,690 --> 01:09:40,590
literally, you know, use the
blockchain only pick up the most

1034
01:09:40,590 --> 01:09:43,920
recent blocks for the updates. I
mean, I can totally see how that

1035
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:45,060
would work. Yeah,

1036
01:09:45,090 --> 01:09:50,400
well, I think it could work even
over IP Fs two, because we Yeah,

1037
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:56,460
like First, the first stage of
delivering the database as a as

1038
01:09:56,460 --> 01:10:02,160
a massive dump is to do it as
well. One big dump. And then,

1039
01:10:02,430 --> 01:10:06,360
but but the short, you know
shortly in here in the future,

1040
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:09,780
I'm going to split it up into
smaller pieces. And there will

1041
01:10:09,780 --> 01:10:13,350
all be hashed. And so like,
well, this this thing is going

1042
01:10:13,350 --> 01:10:17,100
to change and evolve. So that
only the parts, you know,

1043
01:10:17,130 --> 01:10:19,950
there's let me you'll be able to
easily just download piece the

1044
01:10:19,950 --> 01:10:24,390
pieces that you need to think in
that Because ultimately, what

1045
01:10:24,390 --> 01:10:28,200
the, what the dumps are for is
to create is to eventually

1046
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:31,920
create distributed aggregators.
So we need to split it in small

1047
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,950
chunks, whether those are 1000
feeds per chunk or 10,000. Feeds

1048
01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:38,070
I don't know. But if we had
that, you could download the

1049
01:10:38,070 --> 01:10:42,090
entire the entire thing as a
sequel lite three database into

1050
01:10:42,090 --> 01:10:46,050
the app, initially, and then you
could go and pick up the chunks

1051
01:10:46,050 --> 01:10:49,260
that changed in that could be
delivered the lightened Adam

1052
01:10:49,260 --> 01:10:53,340
standard blockchain or over
ipfs, or whatever they did,

1053
01:10:53,460 --> 01:10:57,030
dumps. They call them dumps big
massive dumps.

1054
01:11:00,330 --> 01:11:04,200
Yeah, but even now with the
dump, it works. Yeah, there's a

1055
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:08,040
manual operation that you have
to do you have to download the

1056
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:12,480
dump. And then probably you have
to query all the RSS feeds to

1057
01:11:12,480 --> 01:11:17,100
get some information. But that
works. Like today.

1058
01:11:17,580 --> 01:11:24,210
Yeah. Well, that they hope that
I hope that we can this the way

1059
01:11:24,210 --> 01:11:29,520
I see this going. It's like
we're decentralizing stuff. But

1060
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:35,910
we need to we need to do it in a
way that it can't go. I don't

1061
01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:38,550
know what I'm trying to say
here. What? What I'm, I think

1062
01:11:38,550 --> 01:11:44,760
what I'm hesitant about is going
too fast. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And

1063
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:49,590
that sounds weird. But like,
when you it has to evolve in in

1064
01:11:49,590 --> 01:11:53,550
pieces, because you don't if you
nobody's going to jump on board

1065
01:11:53,550 --> 01:11:57,840
with everybody, let's move
podcasting to the blockchain. So

1066
01:11:59,910 --> 01:12:03,780
maybe, maybe that's where,
ultimately we want to end up.

1067
01:12:03,780 --> 01:12:05,850
That's why this is an
interesting bridge towards

1068
01:12:05,850 --> 01:12:10,710
putting those pieces that are
necessary, onto the device or

1069
01:12:10,710 --> 01:12:14,820
the play the app itself, and
then provide updates, but then,

1070
01:12:14,850 --> 01:12:19,470
you know, this is where I mean,
I'm just going to be a broken

1071
01:12:19,470 --> 01:12:22,380
record about lightning. Because
then you could, you know, it's

1072
01:12:22,380 --> 01:12:27,120
fair, you pay to get it in, you
know, there's Yeah, there's,

1073
01:12:27,180 --> 01:12:30,270
there's all this all these these
different parameters that become

1074
01:12:30,480 --> 01:12:34,320
a lot better than it's free, who
gives a fuck? You know, the

1075
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,570
minute you even if it's one
Satoshi you're, you're more

1076
01:12:36,570 --> 01:12:42,480
careful. And, and then from
there, once you're moving, the

1077
01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:46,350
elements of feeds around, or
pointers to feeds or whatever it

1078
01:12:46,350 --> 01:12:50,100
is, and then all of a sudden,
you know, you can do all kinds

1079
01:12:50,100 --> 01:12:53,610
of stuff. You know, me and my
community connected all I can't

1080
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:56,700
stay away from the bubble chart.
It's, it's it's mind boggling.

1081
01:12:57,150 --> 01:12:57,240
And

1082
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:59,790
we're hoping that the dump is
see.

1083
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:07,020
Hey, Ben, question for you. So I
had my, my co founder and

1084
01:13:07,020 --> 01:13:11,130
partner, Dave Jones. He was a
big man on campus like, Oh,

1085
01:13:11,130 --> 01:13:15,270
yeah, I'll install that caster
pod for you. And I'm pretty sure

1086
01:13:15,270 --> 01:13:18,030
we got busy and other more
important matters. I looked at

1087
01:13:18,030 --> 01:13:21,810
it now I've since I last looked
at it, I've become a little more

1088
01:13:21,810 --> 01:13:26,280
familiar with cPanel. Should I
attempt because I have kind of a

1089
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,940
specific setup because I have
existing hosting and I'm what

1090
01:13:29,940 --> 01:13:33,450
I'm most worried about, is
transitioning to a new system.

1091
01:13:33,450 --> 01:13:38,070
And I really, really, really, I
can't say it enough. Really like

1092
01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:41,040
what Casta pod has to offer
because I want to be leading

1093
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:44,010
with all the tags and I want the
coolest shit and you seem to be

1094
01:13:44,010 --> 01:13:47,310
doing it in Casta pod because
you really have no there's

1095
01:13:47,310 --> 01:13:50,490
nothing holding you back and I
saw even now you can do freeform

1096
01:13:50,910 --> 01:13:54,570
tags if you don't have an
interface for it. I really want

1097
01:13:54,570 --> 01:13:59,100
it but when I fuck something up
on my feed, then it's like hell

1098
01:13:59,100 --> 01:14:04,650
breaks loose for weeks. Yeah,
messes up everybody's player and

1099
01:14:04,650 --> 01:14:11,610
my emails filled and I feel like
a heel. So what do you recommend

1100
01:14:11,610 --> 01:14:11,910
here?

1101
01:14:12,660 --> 01:14:19,440
I definitely not using cPanel.
Okay. Because Castor pod was

1102
01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:24,720
designed to be easy to install
and cheap to host and modern and

1103
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:27,090
why am I failing, then?

1104
01:14:28,140 --> 01:14:32,280
You're not failing? We probably
did. And probably because we are

1105
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:37,560
still in alpha versions. So.
Okay, the paint is not dry yet.

1106
01:14:38,070 --> 01:14:43,080
But what I'd like to do at your
discretion. I don't mind. I

1107
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:47,580
don't mind. I don't mind messing
stuff up and fooling around and

1108
01:14:47,580 --> 01:14:50,490
trying to do stuff. You know,
maybe not necessarily

1109
01:14:50,490 --> 01:14:54,330
immediately on the no agenda
feed but podcasting 2.0 is is a

1110
01:14:54,330 --> 01:14:59,460
great playground for it. I can
be your best tester. I really I

1111
01:14:59,460 --> 01:15:03,000
promise. You I will, I will help
you make that product better. I

1112
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:07,110
just need to help. I mean, since
six months, and you know, Martin

1113
01:15:07,110 --> 01:15:11,310
made the RSS generator and it
got me almost to where I needed

1114
01:15:11,310 --> 01:15:13,500
to be, but you know, we couldn't
have him maintaining. And he's

1115
01:15:13,500 --> 01:15:18,360
he's working on his own project.
So I need, I just need this one

1116
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:21,690
thing, and then I'll put you in
my value block for every feed

1117
01:15:22,050 --> 01:15:26,310
that I that I create, I will
send you 5% of my of my cut.

1118
01:15:27,150 --> 01:15:27,960
When

1119
01:15:29,070 --> 01:15:34,860
we can host you for sure. That's
because I know exactly how it

1120
01:15:34,860 --> 01:15:40,110
works. It takes me like, three
minutes, really three minutes to

1121
01:15:40,110 --> 01:15:45,600
set up a cast about the new
part. new podcast. I installed

1122
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:52,170
one for Anita posh. Right? Yeah.
So that so that she can test and

1123
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:59,340
she had some feedback. We like
the widget thing we implemented

1124
01:15:59,340 --> 01:16:02,640
like, two three weeks ago. She
asked for it.

1125
01:16:03,629 --> 01:16:05,099
In the sharing widget player.

1126
01:16:05,190 --> 01:16:11,610
Yeah. This, this is something
that we it was in our roadmap,

1127
01:16:11,610 --> 01:16:20,610
but like, push. Yeah. So we
moved it. To that, because she

1128
01:16:20,610 --> 01:16:27,210
needed it. So what so what I
have, but the thing is, we I

1129
01:16:27,210 --> 01:16:33,270
haven't installed one for you
yet. Because I'm intimidated.

1130
01:16:33,570 --> 01:16:40,350
First. Okay. And we're still in
alpha version, meaning some

1131
01:16:40,350 --> 01:16:47,910
stuff break and change. And I'm
not confident to to host

1132
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:55,200
something that podcasts that you
will talk on, because probably

1133
01:16:55,230 --> 01:16:59,550
there will be a huge bandwidth
consumption

1134
01:17:01,830 --> 01:17:03,180
for podcasting 2.0

1135
01:17:03,210 --> 01:17:06,690
Well, no, I mean, what what I
see that's the thing is,

1136
01:17:06,990 --> 01:17:10,110
I have any downloads you get on
this podcast. Oh, no.

1137
01:17:10,110 --> 01:17:12,840
And on this podcast, I don't
know. Yeah, we have no idea. But

1138
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:19,080
I have a specific situation
where I have basically a bucket

1139
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:22,590
and I throw everything into that
buckets, the mp3 files, my feeds

1140
01:17:22,590 --> 01:17:28,650
my chapters. Oh, my transcripts,
I mean, chapters come from a

1141
01:17:28,650 --> 01:17:32,940
different bucket. So I just need
to be able to write to that

1142
01:17:32,940 --> 01:17:36,450
bucket with a feed that we
initially have imported from the

1143
01:17:36,450 --> 01:17:39,690
old feed. And and then and then
I'm good to go. You do not want

1144
01:17:39,690 --> 01:17:44,490
to be hosting my RSS or my mp3
and that that will crush you.

1145
01:17:48,060 --> 01:17:49,050
Yeah, understand?

1146
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:53,370
Yes. That's what I'm saying. Is
there a way that I mean, when

1147
01:17:53,370 --> 01:17:56,490
you're ready, when you feel when
you feel is ready, I completely

1148
01:17:56,490 --> 01:17:58,800
respect that. It's alpha, and
you don't want to

1149
01:17:58,860 --> 01:18:03,450
we need to be ready. Like when
we actually as soon as

1150
01:18:03,480 --> 01:18:05,580
activitypub is up and running.

1151
01:18:06,300 --> 01:18:09,360
Yeah, cuz I want to tie this
straight into the mastodon Oh,

1152
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:09,810
here we

1153
01:18:10,110 --> 01:18:17,340
go. And, and we're, I'm still
working with hyper capture,

1154
01:18:18,540 --> 01:18:27,270
David? Because, yeah, because I
think that would make much sense

1155
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:35,310
that you can create the podcast
episode. And then hyper Castro

1156
01:18:35,310 --> 01:18:38,940
would deal with everything that
you don't have anything to do.

1157
01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:42,960
So that's the chapter. The AI

1158
01:18:42,990 --> 01:18:44,760
the AI stuff. He has mean. Yeah.

1159
01:18:45,150 --> 01:18:48,060
So that it's automatic. Yeah,
that's cool. Everything is

1160
01:18:48,060 --> 01:18:51,570
underneath. Just API calls. You
don't have to deal with it

1161
01:18:51,570 --> 01:18:57,330
anymore. And that's very small,
smaller feature to develop.

1162
01:18:57,420 --> 01:18:59,610
I like it. I like it a lot.

1163
01:19:00,270 --> 01:19:04,320
Yeah, the, you know, cast upon,
I think it makes perfect sense

1164
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:07,530
for a podcast, even if it's not
ready. It makes perfect sense

1165
01:19:07,530 --> 01:19:11,220
for the podcasting. 2.0. Feed me
because I mean, desktops. I

1166
01:19:11,220 --> 01:19:13,620
mean, we're gonna break stuff
anyway. So yeah,

1167
01:19:13,980 --> 01:19:18,420
well, even that i want i want i
want to know how many downloads

1168
01:19:18,450 --> 01:19:22,920
per week you're doing. But it
will tell me this much. I get

1169
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:26,340
afraid. And if it's not enough,
then I'm going to bed right now.

1170
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:31,920
Yes. Wow. Okay. You know, you
know, America and France does

1171
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:35,130
have a special relationship. You
realize that right? Yeah. Very

1172
01:19:35,130 --> 01:19:38,670
unique relationship. You guys
invented our political system.

1173
01:19:38,670 --> 01:19:41,580
So we give you full credit for
that. We just have to learn how

1174
01:19:41,580 --> 01:19:44,430
to chop off their heads that we
get. We didn't learn that from

1175
01:19:44,430 --> 01:19:44,670
you.

1176
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:51,090
I'm not kidding. Yeah, but you
forgot. You forgot yesterday.

1177
01:19:51,090 --> 01:19:53,190
Yeah, we don't do that anymore.
No,

1178
01:19:53,310 --> 01:19:56,370
you guys. You guys were
innovators. innovators in the

1179
01:19:56,370 --> 01:20:03,570
space of chopping heads. I think
I think your, your smart guy,

1180
01:20:03,570 --> 01:20:07,500
Ben, I really love the thinking
that you put into all of this. I

1181
01:20:07,500 --> 01:20:12,480
am, you know, and I, I, it's,
I'm in a weird situation, you

1182
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:14,670
know, we have all these great
partners working on it with

1183
01:20:14,670 --> 01:20:18,120
hosting companies. And I'm like,
why don't we all work together

1184
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:22,080
on an IP Fs solution, you know,
so it's only going to save them

1185
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:25,470
money gives everyone a little
more level playing field, and

1186
01:20:25,470 --> 01:20:27,990
you can make money on your
actual features instead of

1187
01:20:28,170 --> 01:20:31,920
bullshit bandwidth, you know,
and managing your curve and oh,

1188
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:35,100
my God, we what business is
unhappy that you get a

1189
01:20:35,100 --> 01:20:40,350
successful podcast? You know,
and a lot of them are like, Oh,

1190
01:20:40,350 --> 01:20:42,780
shit, we got a really big one.
Well, how we're going to offset

1191
01:20:42,780 --> 01:20:45,480
that. So if we could, if we
could figure that, then it's

1192
01:20:45,480 --> 01:20:49,170
been figured out, if we could
motivate and agree on some

1193
01:20:49,170 --> 01:20:54,300
things, I mean, which I see cast
upon as being a driver of you

1194
01:20:54,300 --> 01:20:55,500
guys are perfect for that.

1195
01:20:58,050 --> 01:20:58,590
Thank you.

1196
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:01,800
So what are you gonna? What are
you gonna do it?

1197
01:21:04,140 --> 01:21:11,940
one thing at a time. We're still
a small team or four of us

1198
01:21:11,940 --> 01:21:18,030
working in our company now. So
we are Yeah, we started the

1199
01:21:18,030 --> 01:21:22,980
company. We're still working
with investors. So

1200
01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:26,670
are you are you looking for
investors?

1201
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:28,470
Yeah, sure. We are.

1202
01:21:29,730 --> 01:21:33,570
Well, we, we contacted some and
we still looking for new ones.

1203
01:21:34,650 --> 01:21:35,220
You know,

1204
01:21:37,620 --> 01:21:41,580
there's a lot of guys out there
who have a lot of money that

1205
01:21:41,580 --> 01:21:45,300
they're looking to invest very
good terms, as long as they can

1206
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:50,520
put it into some Bitcoin related
project. And you know, and this

1207
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:54,330
is not banks, you know, it's
very, you get into very simple

1208
01:21:54,330 --> 01:21:58,170
agreements with them. It's, it's
quite I helped out another

1209
01:21:58,170 --> 01:22:00,840
company just by talking to an
investor and the guide made some

1210
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:03,900
money in real estate and put in
a Bitcoin and he wants to invest

1211
01:22:03,900 --> 01:22:07,860
in some Bitcoin I specifically
lightning related businesses. So

1212
01:22:07,860 --> 01:22:09,690
if you ever want to go that
route, I mean, that can

1213
01:22:09,690 --> 01:22:13,590
certainly hit me up if you need
anything happy to help.

1214
01:22:14,700 --> 01:22:18,000
Yeah, we're not much in the
Bitcoin industry right now.

1215
01:22:18,090 --> 01:22:21,240
Right. But the lightning thing
is something that could be in

1216
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:22,260
your future. I'm just

1217
01:22:23,250 --> 01:22:27,150
yeah, I understand. I
understand. So I work harder on

1218
01:22:27,150 --> 01:22:28,170
my Raspberry Pi.

1219
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:34,770
I would suggest, you know,
recipe Blitz.

1220
01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:41,520
Yeah, I saw that. But the thing
is, I cannot find my Raspberry

1221
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:43,170
Pi screen anymore. Yeah.

1222
01:22:45,810 --> 01:22:47,100
It's like I got

1223
01:22:47,100 --> 01:22:49,200
this new Raspberry Pi and like,
Oh shit. I don't have a

1224
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:53,010
keyboard. I can't fit a monitor
into a USB. See what the hell

1225
01:22:53,010 --> 01:22:54,030
yeah, it's tough.

1226
01:22:55,110 --> 01:22:55,410
But

1227
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:59,190
there's a retina that and what's
the other one? Dave? The

1228
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:01,110
the umbral

1229
01:23:01,170 --> 01:23:05,130
Umbro? Yeah, that seems to be a
pretty cool install seems to be

1230
01:23:05,130 --> 01:23:07,050
a little simpler than raspy
Blitz.

1231
01:23:07,110 --> 01:23:08,340
Yeah, that's my plan B.

1232
01:23:08,730 --> 01:23:11,190
Okay, yeah, I hear that's a
really good one. Can you have a

1233
01:23:11,190 --> 01:23:14,580
few minutes? Benjamin just stick
with us while we thank some

1234
01:23:14,580 --> 01:23:17,100
people for the value that they
returned to us and then we can

1235
01:23:17,100 --> 01:23:21,420
wrap up after that. I have all
night long. Whenever when a

1236
01:23:21,420 --> 01:23:24,390
Frenchman says that to you, you
know, you're good to go. Ladies

1237
01:23:24,390 --> 01:23:29,280
and gentlemen. This is a value
for value project, podcast

1238
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:35,010
index, this show podcasting 2.0
it's all put together to create

1239
01:23:35,010 --> 01:23:39,240
as much value as possible. No
advertising, corporate money, no

1240
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:43,440
creepy investors of any kind.
It's just the people producing

1241
01:23:43,440 --> 01:23:48,360
the whole project together. And
all we ask is that you provide

1242
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:51,450
us with whatever value is
appropriate back to us time,

1243
01:23:51,480 --> 01:23:56,670
talent, treasure, and if you're
sending us treasure and whatever

1244
01:23:56,670 --> 01:23:59,130
it is just make it a meaningful
amount to you, whatever your

1245
01:23:59,130 --> 01:24:02,580
contribution making meaningful
to you. And that's that has been

1246
01:24:02,580 --> 01:24:05,940
working very well for us. I
think we're not six months. Six

1247
01:24:05,940 --> 01:24:10,380
months and we're we're we're
moving fast. We are pushing

1248
01:24:10,650 --> 01:24:14,970
pushing it I didn't I didn't
expect to be this far six months

1249
01:24:14,970 --> 01:24:16,980
into it. That was not my
expectation.

1250
01:24:17,220 --> 01:24:21,690
Now we get we get now we'll talk
about that in a minute.

1251
01:24:21,930 --> 01:24:22,440
Listening So

1252
01:24:24,660 --> 01:24:32,280
right off the bat then and
Alberto are soco $100.

1253
01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:32,940
Watch

1254
01:24:34,590 --> 01:24:36,240
those guys. Thank you so much.

1255
01:24:37,710 --> 01:24:41,100
Hi, Adam and Dave are running
out of things to say here. Good

1256
01:24:41,100 --> 01:24:44,520
thing. The donation speaks for
itself. Yes, it does, guys. We

1257
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:48,690
value what you do, why you do it
and how you fostered a community

1258
01:24:48,690 --> 01:24:51,450
of great minds and talent. No
sad puppy today.

1259
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:54,210
No sad happy puppy.

1260
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,420
Yes. Thanks. grss calm.

1261
01:24:57,930 --> 01:24:59,460
Fantastic. Thank you so much.

1262
01:24:59,700 --> 01:25:05,460
Yeah. I always appreciate it.
Thank you guys. And Scott

1263
01:25:05,460 --> 01:25:06,900
Napier. No,

1264
01:25:06,930 --> 01:25:08,340
I recognize that name

1265
01:25:08,639 --> 01:25:12,239
D is that a node in the
government? I think so. Okay. He

1266
01:25:12,239 --> 01:25:16,829
gave $100. Wow. Yeah. And he
said that simple note, he just

1267
01:25:16,829 --> 01:25:19,049
said, Keep it going, Adam and
crew. Nice work.

1268
01:25:19,289 --> 01:25:21,029
Thank you so much, Scott. Yeah,

1269
01:25:21,990 --> 01:25:24,030
we can keep it going. Because of

1270
01:25:24,030 --> 01:25:26,400
that. Exactly. Exactly. Because
of that.

1271
01:25:27,299 --> 01:25:34,499
So the database problem. Now, I
woke up, this just reminded his

1272
01:25:34,499 --> 01:25:35,309
note reminded me of that

1273
01:25:35,789 --> 01:25:36,959
beginning of the week, you mean?

1274
01:25:37,740 --> 01:25:43,320
Yeah. What is this, like, last
Saturday? Something like that?

1275
01:25:43,350 --> 01:25:49,140
No, no, what I remember is last
Friday, I woke up. And I have

1276
01:25:49,140 --> 01:25:54,060
all these emails. Because I have
a have a cron job that runs

1277
01:25:54,060 --> 01:25:56,670
every five minutes on all the
servers that checks for disk

1278
01:25:56,670 --> 01:26:01,350
space. And if this space drops
below a certain percentage, I

1279
01:26:01,350 --> 01:26:04,380
get an email about it. Well, I
start getting all these emails

1280
01:26:04,380 --> 01:26:08,520
from the database server. Yeah,
saying you got to catch

1281
01:26:08,550 --> 01:26:10,650
quick before it runs out. And
you can't

1282
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:15,510
save it. It was like, but what
was weird is it was like, the

1283
01:26:15,510 --> 01:26:18,630
database, he would get an email.
And then five minutes later, I

1284
01:26:18,630 --> 01:26:22,800
get another email saying it's
85% full, and I get a next one,

1285
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:27,480
the set is 95. Oh, no. way. And
then it would go into the next

1286
01:26:27,480 --> 01:26:32,490
one, five minutes after that was
like 70%. It kept paying. So you

1287
01:26:32,490 --> 01:26:37,170
know, I run over there and pull
it up. And there was a runaway

1288
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:42,540
select, that I had been messing
around with. And I thought I had

1289
01:26:42,540 --> 01:26:45,150
killed it. but evidently I
didn't. What were you trying to

1290
01:26:45,150 --> 01:26:49,230
select? Well, it was I was
working on the getting the most

1291
01:26:49,230 --> 01:26:54,060
recent enclosure thing. And
that's a complicated query, with

1292
01:26:54,060 --> 01:26:56,670
some sub selects in there. And
if you get that wrong, you can

1293
01:26:56,700 --> 01:26:59,310
easily end up building, if you
get that wrong read

1294
01:26:59,340 --> 01:27:01,320
the database is rebuilding
itself.

1295
01:27:03,630 --> 01:27:09,720
The episodes table episodes
table is like 70 gigs. And so it

1296
01:27:09,780 --> 01:27:14,010
it was rambling. Yeah, it will
build a temporary table. That's

1297
01:27:14,010 --> 01:27:15,240
almost the entire thing.

1298
01:27:15,900 --> 01:27:18,780
So because of that, let me guess
because of the value we

1299
01:27:18,780 --> 01:27:22,080
received, you were able to set
up a complete replication system

1300
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:23,130
and save the day.

1301
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:25,350
Oh, no. Damn.

1302
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:28,230
Whatever your story is, this
one's better.

1303
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:30,990
I just restarted the database.

1304
01:27:32,370 --> 01:27:33,840
plugged it Yeah.

1305
01:27:35,790 --> 01:27:40,800
sudo reboot. And I was like,
please, please don't do that.

1306
01:27:40,860 --> 01:27:46,020
Anyway. But But now if we meet
if we need to, and by the way,

1307
01:27:46,050 --> 01:27:51,390
CRISPR I seen is trickling in
feeds on a daily basis now where

1308
01:27:51,990 --> 01:27:56,100
the database is about to hit one
and a half million feet. And

1309
01:27:56,100 --> 01:27:56,640
this one point,

1310
01:27:56,940 --> 01:27:59,940
and this is all on stats dot
podcast. index.org now,

1311
01:28:00,209 --> 01:28:04,739
yeah, yeah. Nice. Yeah. Nice. We
got our own page boost to be

1312
01:28:04,739 --> 01:28:09,479
doing about one every couple of
seconds, I think. So where we

1313
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:13,559
started at around 1.3 or
something like that. And now

1314
01:28:13,559 --> 01:28:19,289
we're at, we're just about the
1.5 million and so that the

1315
01:28:19,319 --> 01:28:23,939
database is going to grow and
that the episodes table is going

1316
01:28:23,939 --> 01:28:29,069
to be humongous. We may need a
bigger database server so we got

1317
01:28:29,069 --> 01:28:30,869
it. If we need it. We got it.

1318
01:28:30,900 --> 01:28:35,310
That's what's so beautiful, man.
Does this change dynamically

1319
01:28:35,310 --> 01:28:36,750
when a new one pops up?

1320
01:28:37,770 --> 01:28:45,930
Every 15 minutes? I think it
refreshes. Yeah, sweet. See, we

1321
01:28:45,930 --> 01:28:49,260
got john called. I think there's
a say k. Oh, lb.

1322
01:28:50,219 --> 01:28:51,299
Calm calm.

1323
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:52,530
Yeah. I think.

1324
01:28:53,370 --> 01:28:58,800
Oh, yeah. Concho Yeah. JOHN
called the third gave us $33.33

1325
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:03,900
magic number. Yep. I said, Dave,
hardware engineer and podcast

1326
01:29:03,900 --> 01:29:06,960
fan here. All right, something,
something about the deep dive

1327
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:09,330
into the namespace gives me a
warm feeling and

1328
01:29:10,110 --> 01:29:13,110
see it's working already.
Thanks.

1329
01:29:13,770 --> 01:29:20,250
Thank you, john. That's
appreciated. And we get to, we

1330
01:29:20,250 --> 01:29:24,420
lost a $50 month subscription
this month. So this thing does

1331
01:29:24,420 --> 01:29:29,430
happen. It does happen. And we
but we gained, Alex gates gave

1332
01:29:29,430 --> 01:29:33,330
us a $25 monthly to Jewish nice,
thank you, everybody. Everybody

1333
01:29:33,330 --> 01:29:34,050
knows Alex,

1334
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:37,140
those. Those recurring donations
are great and really appreciate

1335
01:29:37,140 --> 01:29:37,470
that.

1336
01:29:37,980 --> 01:29:40,260
Yeah. Thank you. And thank you,
thank you for the donation but

1337
01:29:40,260 --> 01:29:43,380
also thank you for all your
input. He's really active on the

1338
01:29:43,380 --> 01:29:46,710
mastodon and on the GitHub.
Yeah, yeah. Really appreciate

1339
01:29:46,710 --> 01:29:52,770
that. There was no note and then
Thomas Sullivan gave us $5 month

1340
01:29:52,770 --> 01:29:56,100
subscription and those are
extremely helpful, because that

1341
01:29:56,580 --> 01:30:02,340
that will cover there. We've got
plenty of $5 months one gig VMs.

1342
01:30:02,730 --> 01:30:03,360
And yeah,

1343
01:30:03,390 --> 01:30:05,610
no kidding. No kidding.
Absolutely.

1344
01:30:05,970 --> 01:30:09,480
Thank you, Thomas. very
appreciated, guys. That's it.

1345
01:30:09,480 --> 01:30:09,990
That's great.

1346
01:30:10,260 --> 01:30:13,920
Well, thank you all. keeping the
lights on keeping the server's

1347
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:17,940
running once again, we make it
through another week. podcast

1348
01:30:17,940 --> 01:30:21,540
index.org scroll to the bottom
we got a big big red button.

1349
01:30:21,900 --> 01:30:25,050
Click on that you can still send
your COC bucks to the Pay Pal

1350
01:30:25,050 --> 01:30:29,520
system. And we're lighting to
firing and Bitcoin defying

1351
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:33,240
everything Eric the shill is
working on back office all kinds

1352
01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:37,260
of I see him putting a lot of QR
codes and things in place. So

1353
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:40,230
he's doing something to demand
more monitors

1354
01:30:40,230 --> 01:30:41,190
than anybody

1355
01:30:42,660 --> 01:30:46,110
is like, I have a ground loop on
my mic. Hmm. Gee, I don't know.

1356
01:30:46,110 --> 01:30:49,200
Maybe unplug half of those
televisions. You got blasted on?

1357
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:55,890
Yeah. Oh, man, man, man, man. So
what's, what's the future for

1358
01:30:55,890 --> 01:30:58,800
you and for pod Libra, or maybe
for you personal Benjamin.

1359
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:08,250
Um, we, we are starting to
commercialize our contextual

1360
01:31:08,250 --> 01:31:13,650
monetization program. So that's,
that's gonna be a big chunk on

1361
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:17,610
our desk in the, in the coming
months.

1362
01:31:17,730 --> 01:31:20,190
How does that? What exactly is
that?

1363
01:31:20,820 --> 01:31:27,690
Um, so actually, what we do is
that we, we analyze and index

1364
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:33,810
the podcast episodes. So the the
audio files and the metadata?

1365
01:31:34,440 --> 01:31:34,950
Yeah.

1366
01:31:36,150 --> 01:31:41,850
We, we have a semantic search,
we, we extract what it talks

1367
01:31:41,850 --> 01:31:50,370
about, and we link that to
anything. Oh, and that can be ad

1368
01:31:50,370 --> 01:31:55,470
our affiliate product or
whatever. And we are conducting

1369
01:31:55,470 --> 01:32:03,360
some tests. Now. We, we display
these ads within the show notes.

1370
01:32:05,910 --> 01:32:09,720
And that works pretty well,
because we have a five person

1371
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:17,070
click rate on this car. And it's
it's totally cookieless.

1372
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:25,890
Okay, so this is a contextual
promotion system? I yeah, don't

1373
01:32:25,890 --> 01:32:29,100
need to call it as because you
put anything in there. So

1374
01:32:29,100 --> 01:32:34,260
that's, that's okay. Here I go
again. So you could also create

1375
01:32:34,590 --> 01:32:36,420
contextualized chapters.

1376
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:45,180
Yes. Interesting. Huh? So, okay,
so if you have, so you could run

1377
01:32:45,210 --> 01:32:47,040
a recommendation in point then

1378
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:52,200
what you have here

1379
01:32:52,500 --> 01:32:54,810
for your recommendation tag? So
let's, let's just say that.

1380
01:32:55,770 --> 01:33:00,090
Okay. I'm trying to think of a
good example. Okay, let's say

1381
01:33:00,090 --> 01:33:09,900
that you are buzz cast. And, you
know, here's a better example,

1382
01:33:10,440 --> 01:33:14,250
let's say that you're the new
media show, with Todd Cochran

1383
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:18,420
and Rob Greenlee. And you, if
they want to put a

1384
01:33:18,420 --> 01:33:23,820
recommendation tag into their,
into their show, they enter

1385
01:33:23,820 --> 01:33:28,830
their feed, they could call out
to you with their feed

1386
01:33:28,890 --> 01:33:34,470
information, you can analyze, or
you can pull out a year system

1387
01:33:34,770 --> 01:33:39,270
with things that are
recommended, for instance, a

1388
01:33:39,270 --> 01:33:45,690
libsyn, a link to Lipson
discount code, a link, blueberry

1389
01:33:45,810 --> 01:33:50,580
think things like that. And then
the soundbite from, from some

1390
01:33:52,020 --> 01:33:55,710
from two of their shows that
lists are good demos. And you

1391
01:33:55,710 --> 01:33:59,220
can return that as just a chunk
of XML that they can just

1392
01:33:59,250 --> 01:34:00,450
automatically include

1393
01:34:00,450 --> 01:34:04,710
in their feed some something
that's directly related to it

1394
01:34:04,710 --> 01:34:07,710
that really makes sense. That's
the whole point of what we're

1395
01:34:07,710 --> 01:34:08,190
doing.

1396
01:34:08,910 --> 01:34:12,420
Okay. Okay. Because that that's
neat, because that's the way I

1397
01:34:12,420 --> 01:34:14,880
see. I know, there's always
there's always going to be

1398
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:17,790
people who want to hard code and
men manually code their own

1399
01:34:17,790 --> 01:34:22,440
stuff. But with to me the
ultimate power of something like

1400
01:34:22,440 --> 01:34:27,780
a recommendation, the tag is
that you have people you have

1401
01:34:27,780 --> 01:34:32,130
other companies like yours or
like hosting companies, you have

1402
01:34:32,130 --> 01:34:36,390
other companies that they can
you can call out to them and get

1403
01:34:36,870 --> 01:34:41,130
a batch of recommendations
curated and returned as XML that

1404
01:34:41,130 --> 01:34:44,910
you can just drop in and then
there can be there can be a, you

1405
01:34:44,910 --> 01:34:47,160
know, an incentive there a
monetary incentive or however

1406
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:49,080
that however that market
develops

1407
01:34:53,460 --> 01:34:54,690
was that a question?

1408
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,380
So, now

1409
01:35:02,490 --> 01:35:08,520
our expertise is working on the
recommendation engines. Yeah, so

1410
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:11,370
that's working for decades.
Yeah. So

1411
01:35:11,370 --> 01:35:15,210
y'all would be fantastic at it.
You know, it's it's really, it's

1412
01:35:15,210 --> 01:35:18,030
kind of a combo of human
intelligence and artificial

1413
01:35:18,030 --> 01:35:18,870
intelligence.

1414
01:35:19,110 --> 01:35:21,270
Yeah, exactly. And,

1415
01:35:21,330 --> 01:35:24,540
and you actually get to be cut
with your recommendation

1416
01:35:24,540 --> 01:35:29,040
choices. You could, in fact, I
think, train the AI to some

1417
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:29,490
degree.

1418
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:32,670
Yeah, possibly. Okay.

1419
01:35:33,570 --> 01:35:37,470
Yeah, I want to start back up
the phase three of the

1420
01:35:37,470 --> 01:35:42,120
namespace, but at the end of the
month, so I'm thinking, and you

1421
01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:46,980
tell me, tell me what your
opinion has been. I like there

1422
01:35:46,980 --> 01:35:51,270
to be some sort of balance
between things that we can use

1423
01:35:51,300 --> 01:35:55,050
right now. And things that are
more aspirational, looking down

1424
01:35:55,050 --> 01:35:58,800
the road, Moon shots, whatever
you want to call them. And so

1425
01:35:58,950 --> 01:36:03,720
for what I'm thinking right now,
for phase three, I would like to

1426
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:06,810
do the recommendation stuff, I
would like to also put location

1427
01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:13,710
into the chapters, Jason format.
And then I would also like to do

1428
01:36:13,830 --> 01:36:17,730
trailers. Those are the those
are the, because I think the

1429
01:36:17,730 --> 01:36:21,060
trailers can be immediately
useful. We've already had at

1430
01:36:21,060 --> 01:36:26,760
least one host, I think it was
his cat, captivate. captivate is

1431
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:31,050
the one who came up with the
trailers. Tag idea. So I'm

1432
01:36:31,050 --> 01:36:38,100
thinking if we have
recommendation, trailers, and

1433
01:36:38,100 --> 01:36:42,270
then a tweak to an addition to
the location into the chapters

1434
01:36:42,270 --> 01:36:45,630
format, that seems to me like a
pretty good batch to work on for

1435
01:36:45,630 --> 01:36:47,400
phase three. Yeah, what do you
think?

1436
01:36:47,460 --> 01:36:48,030
Perfect.

1437
01:36:49,410 --> 01:36:50,130
Go for it.

1438
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:53,640
I'm thinking I'm thinking we
start back, I think we start

1439
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:59,040
back rolling with the namespace.
April 1. And having a break has

1440
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:02,490
been good. Because this let me
catch my breath and catch up

1441
01:37:02,490 --> 01:37:06,690
with some of the code that I was
really getting neglected. And

1442
01:37:06,750 --> 01:37:08,940
then I think I think it's time
to create

1443
01:37:08,969 --> 01:37:11,519
your thing like yours, but also
our breath.

1444
01:37:12,120 --> 01:37:13,560
Yeah, no kidding. Yeah.

1445
01:37:14,430 --> 01:37:19,140
Because you're hard to keep up
with.

1446
01:37:22,290 --> 01:37:24,810
What I'm what I'm always worried
about is we create something

1447
01:37:24,810 --> 01:37:28,170
fantastic. And we just, it just
kind of sits over there we go.

1448
01:37:28,620 --> 01:37:31,410
1000 miles, like what what was
that thing again? And we just

1449
01:37:31,410 --> 01:37:33,420
left it on by the side of the
road? You know?

1450
01:37:33,900 --> 01:37:35,100
Yeah, that's always easy. Is

1451
01:37:35,100 --> 01:37:37,440
there a Is there anything like
that right now that we just kind

1452
01:37:37,440 --> 01:37:38,370
of left dangling?

1453
01:37:41,190 --> 01:37:41,940
Um, I

1454
01:37:41,940 --> 01:37:45,360
don't think so. Really? now. I
think everybody I think

1455
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:48,030
everything's, everything's
pretty up to speed. Yeah, I

1456
01:37:48,030 --> 01:37:50,820
mean, there's somebody doing all
of it. You know, somebody's

1457
01:37:50,820 --> 01:37:54,480
doing every, at least one piece
of all of it. Yeah, I don't

1458
01:37:54,480 --> 01:37:59,760
think there's anything on the
floor really. That does, either.

1459
01:38:00,270 --> 01:38:01,890
Well, Benjamin,

1460
01:38:02,580 --> 01:38:07,920
I am so so delighted to have
been able to meet you this way

1461
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:08,910
and speak with you.

1462
01:38:10,050 --> 01:38:10,680
So am I,

1463
01:38:11,550 --> 01:38:16,020
and, and I'm over the moon with
the thinking you're bringing to

1464
01:38:16,020 --> 01:38:21,090
podcasting. 2.0 and the project
is some deep shit. And the

1465
01:38:21,090 --> 01:38:25,440
recommendation to me is well, as
you're doing something really

1466
01:38:25,440 --> 01:38:28,530
and this, you know, as Dave
mentioned, I've completely

1467
01:38:28,530 --> 01:38:33,270
rewrote and everyone's helping
out on just a brief explanation

1468
01:38:33,270 --> 01:38:36,270
of what is podcasting 2.0 with
the main mission of making it

1469
01:38:36,300 --> 01:38:39,540
easy for any journalist to
understand, which is probably

1470
01:38:39,540 --> 01:38:44,880
the lowest bar I can go for. But
it was a request. So I like that

1471
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:51,690
request. And, and the big part
of it really is. And what's hard

1472
01:38:51,690 --> 01:38:55,200
is to describe how beautiful the
exam you could probably do it

1473
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:59,730
for any open source movement,
but how beautiful it is to allow

1474
01:38:59,730 --> 01:39:03,990
for all these features, all
these ideas to come in. And and

1475
01:39:03,990 --> 01:39:06,420
they just and they happen or
they don't you know, it's like

1476
01:39:06,510 --> 01:39:08,820
this, hardly anything someone's
built that hasn't been

1477
01:39:08,820 --> 01:39:12,180
implemented by at least one
other person. And it just starts

1478
01:39:12,180 --> 01:39:17,160
to grow into something. Well,
this is what we wasted 10 Why

1479
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:21,090
didn't I dropped out, but 10
years went by and look at all

1480
01:39:21,090 --> 01:39:24,060
this pent up energy that
everyone has. It's beautiful to

1481
01:39:24,060 --> 01:39:27,030
see it and I really appreciate
what you and your Siena doing

1482
01:39:27,030 --> 01:39:30,780
and the rest of the team. And I
also appreciate Madame Fonda

1483
01:39:30,780 --> 01:39:34,950
Lyon, who indirectly is the
President of the European Union

1484
01:39:34,950 --> 01:39:37,950
that gave you a grant so you can
do this work.

1485
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:40,410
Actually, she gave two grants.

1486
01:39:42,030 --> 01:39:49,050
Wow, she only just got in. Yeah.
making it rain. Nice. Nice. From

1487
01:39:49,050 --> 01:39:49,620
the lion

1488
01:39:50,940 --> 01:39:52,500
head. How do you know that
person?

1489
01:39:53,219 --> 01:39:54,929
I thought she's the President of
the European.

1490
01:39:56,010 --> 01:39:58,440
Oh, I thought you know who is
that? You know,

1491
01:39:58,440 --> 01:40:01,050
that was the cow. I know. The
climate guy.

1492
01:40:02,070 --> 01:40:04,740
Yeah, that's what

1493
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:06,630
when he didn't he viga

1494
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:08,820
No, no, no, no MTV guy.

1495
01:40:09,450 --> 01:40:14,010
Yeah. politician is some some
dude was like a media guy. And

1496
01:40:14,010 --> 01:40:19,860
then he became a politician. The
Dude, that was the president of

1497
01:40:19,860 --> 01:40:22,560
the now he was at the MPC at NPR
for a while.

1498
01:40:22,890 --> 01:40:29,640
Oh, no, no, no, no. No, you
think of someone else. I'm

1499
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:33,420
talking about from steamer
mounts. He was in the running

1500
01:40:33,420 --> 01:40:36,540
for the Dutch politician. He was
in the running for the European

1501
01:40:36,540 --> 01:40:40,350
Union for the presidency. And he
cut a deal and now he's the

1502
01:40:40,350 --> 01:40:45,090
climate czar. Okay. And so he
gets to go find, you know, I

1503
01:40:45,090 --> 01:40:48,420
don't know. 100 100 trillion
from here under trillion from

1504
01:40:48,420 --> 01:40:48,720
there.

1505
01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:56,400
Okay. Oh, damn. Almost forgot
what? I don't know if I want to.

1506
01:40:56,760 --> 01:41:05,100
Okay. All right. I got to do it.
I've got an idea. For Earth Day,

1507
01:41:06,270 --> 01:41:10,770
which is April 22. I think
better make a better make sure

1508
01:41:10,770 --> 01:41:13,350
this. See Earth Day.

1509
01:41:13,440 --> 01:41:14,880
I always forget it.

1510
01:41:15,330 --> 01:41:23,250
April 22. Okay. All right. The
guy from podcasters declare.

1511
01:41:23,580 --> 01:41:24,810
Oh, yeah. Yeah.

1512
01:41:25,620 --> 01:41:27,270
More contacted me.

1513
01:41:27,300 --> 01:41:30,030
Oh, okay. I like this.

1514
01:41:30,060 --> 01:41:31,860
Yeah. And he for the for the
climate

1515
01:41:31,860 --> 01:41:32,310
tag.

1516
01:41:32,490 --> 01:41:38,730
Yeah, climate tag. So I just had
this idea. This and I had asked

1517
01:41:38,730 --> 01:41:42,450
on the mastodon for people to
tell me whether or not you could

1518
01:41:42,450 --> 01:41:47,130
put in a tag in iTunes that does
not exist. So if you have an AI,

1519
01:41:47,220 --> 01:41:51,090
if you have a feed in iTunes in
the apple in the apple podcast

1520
01:41:51,090 --> 01:41:51,540
directory,

1521
01:41:51,570 --> 01:41:53,070
I think it just ignores it,
doesn't it?

1522
01:41:53,610 --> 01:41:55,860
Yeah, that's what they said.
They said that it's safe to

1523
01:41:55,860 --> 01:42:00,750
it'll safely ignore it. Uh huh.
So here's my idea for Earth Day,

1524
01:42:00,930 --> 01:42:03,030
we launched the tag on Earth
Day.

1525
01:42:03,750 --> 01:42:09,750
Everybody puts in the day, it
everyone put buddy puts in a

1526
01:42:09,750 --> 01:42:15,540
bogus iTunes climate category
tag in their feed? The whole

1527
01:42:15,540 --> 01:42:21,750
world. Okay, as to get as, as a
as PR.

1528
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:25,710
Now, at what point does gretta
do this?

1529
01:42:26,370 --> 01:42:26,820
I don't know.

1530
01:42:27,630 --> 01:42:30,720
If you don't have gretta you're
not gonna get any traction?

1531
01:42:31,350 --> 01:42:31,710
Well,

1532
01:42:31,770 --> 01:42:35,970
I get we need gretta he grew up
with and I think it's, it's a

1533
01:42:35,970 --> 01:42:38,700
it's a silent protest

1534
01:42:38,760 --> 01:42:40,590
here, but it won't show up
anywhere.

1535
01:42:40,950 --> 01:42:43,620
But it but you, that doesn't
matter. Because you have that

1536
01:42:43,620 --> 01:42:46,680
you just PR it? Because it's not
it's the PR, they give you the

1537
01:42:46,680 --> 01:42:47,460
pressure. See, I

1538
01:42:47,460 --> 01:42:53,640
would I would you know my stance
on this. But is it for me? It's

1539
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:55,830
like, why don't we just
implement it and tell them to go

1540
01:42:55,830 --> 01:42:57,510
fuck themselves? Oh, well, I

1541
01:42:57,510 --> 01:43:00,720
mean, that's, that's always the
we could do. So I'd love for

1542
01:43:00,720 --> 01:43:03,330
everybody to put the climate tag
in. But I'd love for it to just

1543
01:43:03,330 --> 01:43:07,920
work. We could do see, we're
still griping about about how to

1544
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:12,840
do categories over here. So
we're not even ready. But if if

1545
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:16,260
I just think it's a great thing
to do is I Oh, you want to have

1546
01:43:16,650 --> 01:43:20,250
apple? You want to pressure them
into giving giving you a climate

1547
01:43:20,250 --> 01:43:20,550
tag?

1548
01:43:20,580 --> 01:43:21,030
How will that

1549
01:43:22,200 --> 01:43:26,520
work? Because it gives all in
the media. It's like a report on

1550
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:30,480
that. 1 million podcasts on
Earth Day are implementing a

1551
01:43:30,480 --> 01:43:33,540
climate tag because they're
doing it themselves because

1552
01:43:33,540 --> 01:43:34,530
Apple won't do it.

1553
01:43:35,580 --> 01:43:36,150
Dave

1554
01:43:36,450 --> 01:43:38,340
1 million podcasts.

1555
01:43:39,630 --> 01:43:40,440
I don't know.

1556
01:43:42,030 --> 01:43:43,410
I'm just making crap up man.

1557
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:48,360
I appreciate the sentiment. I
just want to turn that into

1558
01:43:48,360 --> 01:43:49,650
something good for us too.

1559
01:43:50,010 --> 01:43:51,990
Yeah, I can't figure that part
out.

1560
01:43:54,240 --> 01:43:56,790
Sorry that you had to listen to
that to a struggling there.

1561
01:43:56,790 --> 01:44:00,870
Benjamin as I was about about to
let us all go Dave. out. He

1562
01:44:00,870 --> 01:44:04,530
dragged down one o'clock in the
morning and our time of

1563
01:44:04,530 --> 01:44:05,460
gratitude and Betty

1564
01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:09,450
was gone. I was wondering if I
have to implement that into

1565
01:44:09,450 --> 01:44:10,110
Castor pod?

1566
01:44:11,340 --> 01:44:14,100
Well, eventually I think
whatever we come up with with

1567
01:44:14,100 --> 01:44:17,850
categories. I'd like to see the
climate folks get satisfied.

1568
01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:19,950
That will be fine. I think
that's important.

1569
01:44:21,450 --> 01:44:26,100
Now you can add anything you
want into your RSS feed so not

1570
01:44:26,100 --> 01:44:27,150
my problem anymore.

1571
01:44:27,270 --> 01:44:27,780
That's right.

1572
01:44:27,810 --> 01:44:28,320
There you go.

1573
01:44:28,380 --> 01:44:31,740
Right. Yes, indeed. Right there
was cast upon Benjamin Bellamy

1574
01:44:31,740 --> 01:44:35,400
Thank you so much. Really
appreciate you love the work

1575
01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:39,030
that you're doing. And again,
thank you for for really pushing

1576
01:44:39,060 --> 01:44:42,330
everything further. It's It's
It's great. And it's just great

1577
01:44:42,330 --> 01:44:44,760
to have partners in France. It
doesn't happen very often.

1578
01:44:46,170 --> 01:44:50,460
It's my pleasure. And yeah,
there are many, many great open

1579
01:44:50,460 --> 01:44:53,550
source and podcaster is in
France. Well, I want to come

1580
01:44:53,730 --> 01:44:56,040
today just don't speak English.
From Well,

1581
01:44:56,280 --> 01:45:00,300
you know, give me a 48 hours and
I can kind of ask for A few

1582
01:45:00,300 --> 01:45:04,650
things. But I'd love to love to
come back to Paris. And when I

1583
01:45:04,650 --> 01:45:08,250
do, maybe I can take you out for
a coffee or for for a meal.

1584
01:45:08,310 --> 01:45:13,740
That'd be really fun. All right,
Mr. Jones? Yep. Then we good. We

1585
01:45:13,740 --> 01:45:18,480
need anything. What? I should
just mention that the breeze app

1586
01:45:18,480 --> 01:45:24,660
should be launching next week.
Nice. And yeah, yeah. And it's a

1587
01:45:24,660 --> 01:45:28,140
whole different view of looking
at how everything can be.

1588
01:45:28,590 --> 01:45:31,410
But I've got it. I got an
iPhone. I don't you're having

1589
01:45:31,410 --> 01:45:32,610
all the fun. I get nothing.
Yeah,

1590
01:45:32,610 --> 01:45:36,060
I got the, the APK Well, you
know, for some reason, the

1591
01:45:36,060 --> 01:45:39,360
flutter guys always wind up
doing the iOS part last. I'm

1592
01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:43,320
sure there's a reason for it. So
be on the lookout for that.

1593
01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:46,380
Thank you both very much. And
thank everyone else who was here

1594
01:45:46,380 --> 01:45:51,030
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podcasting. 2.0 and we will

1595
01:45:51,090 --> 01:45:55,860
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01:45:55,860 --> 01:45:58,650
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