1 00:00:00,599 --> 00:00:07,109 podcasting 2.0 from May 14 2021, Episode 37 dan, what's up, Doc? 2 00:00:09,570 --> 00:00:13,740 Oh, yeah, man, we got the boardroom packed today. Once 3 00:00:13,740 --> 00:00:18,330 again, it's a Friday time for meeting of the Board here about 4 00:00:18,330 --> 00:00:22,080 in podcasting 2.0 podcast index.org I'm Adam Curry in 5 00:00:22,080 --> 00:00:26,520 Austin, Texas. And in Alabama adjusting the API and encoding 6 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,280 the endpoints my friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, 7 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:30,270 Mr. B. 8 00:00:32,430 --> 00:00:37,110 What, what cryptocurrency is? It's like a Friday. So what 9 00:00:37,110 --> 00:00:41,610 cryptocurrency is Elan musk pumping up in today, like, 10 00:00:42,420 --> 00:00:46,740 single handedly crashed Bitcoin by like 10%. Yeah, well, good. 11 00:00:46,740 --> 00:00:50,190 And it's still here. So the resilience is quite phenomenal. 12 00:00:50,190 --> 00:00:53,430 Actually, all things considered. Yeah, like it. I like that 13 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,430 stress test, you know, what I'm interested in what I love the 14 00:00:56,430 --> 00:00:57,450 most is that 15 00:00:58,890 --> 00:01:01,860 because this guy, we discussed this briefly on no agenda 16 00:01:01,860 --> 00:01:04,620 yesterday, and we have the troll room, you know, with 1000 people 17 00:01:04,620 --> 00:01:08,490 in their chat and whatever. And, and I'm like, you know, Ilan 18 00:01:08,490 --> 00:01:11,100 musk got screwed. You know, they, they figured him out. And 19 00:01:11,100 --> 00:01:14,370 they said, oh, here's how we pressure you. It's like you get 20 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,460 you make 100 million, a couple 100 million a year on carbon 21 00:01:17,460 --> 00:01:20,820 credits, we're gonna start adding your Bitcoin Treasury to 22 00:01:20,820 --> 00:01:24,870 your carbon emissions, and you're gonna lose subsidies and 23 00:01:24,870 --> 00:01:28,110 maybe you should shut up about Bitcoin. And they got it. And 24 00:01:28,110 --> 00:01:32,640 then the troll room went now for the chessmen. He's gonna figure 25 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,250 it out. Let me just tell you something. Sure. 26 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,380 Elan Musk is as much as an inventor as we are. He's a great 27 00:01:40,380 --> 00:01:44,700 marketing guy. I've met him. I know him. I saw him in the early 28 00:01:44,700 --> 00:01:47,730 days. I went to the launch of Tesla in the airport hangar. 29 00:01:48,090 --> 00:01:52,380 It's not that impressive, but okay. Hyperloop man, he wrote 30 00:01:52,380 --> 00:01:55,710 that shit up on the back of a napkin? Yeah, well, well, you 31 00:01:55,710 --> 00:01:58,320 and I wrote this shit on the back of a napkin too. As long as 32 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,470 you get some venture capital to back up to an eight new ATM to 33 00:02:01,470 --> 00:02:04,500 your shop, you can make whatever you want. Well, there's that. 34 00:02:04,620 --> 00:02:05,040 Yeah. 35 00:02:06,450 --> 00:02:10,620 Anyway, so I think it makes it interesting and exciting. 36 00:02:10,950 --> 00:02:14,670 cryptocurrency in particular, Bitcoin is under the attack 37 00:02:14,670 --> 00:02:18,450 vector as the evil part of ransomware. 38 00:02:19,590 --> 00:02:22,830 I would like to do one something in my life, what for once this 39 00:02:22,830 --> 00:02:25,950 not, has doesn't have something to do with an unbanned and 40 00:02:25,950 --> 00:02:27,000 underdog and something 41 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,050 to ride the wave of a successful venture at some point in my 42 00:02:31,050 --> 00:02:35,250 life? Really? You know, I gotta tell you, it doesn't really it's 43 00:02:35,250 --> 00:02:39,000 so short lived. It's so it's really not all that great. I've 44 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:43,140 been on top of the wave with MTV, a couple other moments, but 45 00:02:43,140 --> 00:02:47,970 it's short man. Short that way. I don't like the psychology 46 00:02:47,970 --> 00:02:51,480 thing. Because there must be like, a, an enneagram number for 47 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,870 that or something. Because I'm always the, you know, fight the 48 00:02:54,870 --> 00:02:58,560 system, you know, portray him but you know, against the trend 49 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,040 this that's not that's just who you are. You can't change that. 50 00:03:02,250 --> 00:03:08,580 And And remember, Dave, the journey is the success. Yes. 51 00:03:09,900 --> 00:03:14,100 It's always the journey. That's the success my friend now, but 52 00:03:14,100 --> 00:03:18,180 it's really interesting how, how all these things kind of came 53 00:03:18,180 --> 00:03:21,480 together. We're just living in a crazy ass world. And I am so 54 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:26,460 happy. So happy that we embarked on this journey. If you just 55 00:03:26,460 --> 00:03:29,850 look around when we started this, what, 10 months ago? 56 00:03:31,230 --> 00:03:34,740 Less than that, maybe nine months ago? It's only that's 57 00:03:34,740 --> 00:03:38,550 like, September, September last year. Yeah. Thanks. And just 58 00:03:38,550 --> 00:03:42,420 look at the control and the pressure that's been put on 59 00:03:42,450 --> 00:03:45,450 every other kind of form of media. 60 00:03:46,620 --> 00:03:49,980 Well, I've got there's a great, you know, great example of this. 61 00:03:50,010 --> 00:03:54,150 And I have no idea if this is from us or not? 62 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,570 Probably not, I'm probably self aggrandizement here. But the you 63 00:04:00,570 --> 00:04:05,490 know, slate is starting to sell audio books as podcasts. Oh, 64 00:04:05,490 --> 00:04:08,130 really? Yeah. Yeah, there's a story 65 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,390 came out this week, this lighter says slate is getting into the 66 00:04:12,390 --> 00:04:15,930 audiobooks business, the online magazine, in past podcasts 67 00:04:15,930 --> 00:04:18,960 description, sellers launching its own audio book store today. 68 00:04:19,260 --> 00:04:21,270 It goes down and is basically they're saying that they're 69 00:04:21,270 --> 00:04:24,510 going to use their private feed system. So where you get your, 70 00:04:24,510 --> 00:04:26,310 you know, you sign up for membership, and you get your own 71 00:04:26,310 --> 00:04:28,830 feed with a token or something like that. They're going to give 72 00:04:28,830 --> 00:04:32,550 you a private RSS feed for that audio book. So the feed is going 73 00:04:32,550 --> 00:04:33,510 to be the audio book. 74 00:04:35,370 --> 00:04:39,480 And I mean, I think I mean, we've been hammering that home 75 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,270 for the last few months, audio books, audio books, audio books. 76 00:04:42,690 --> 00:04:47,880 And then, you know, we had that audio book by Dan Auster. Yes. 77 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,820 Yes. He showed up. When was that like a week ago or so? Two weeks 78 00:04:50,820 --> 00:04:53,850 ago? Yeah. A week or two ago? Yeah. Drop me. I dropped his 79 00:04:53,850 --> 00:04:58,080 audio book in RSS feed, and he's got it. Yeah, I wonder how he's 80 00:04:58,080 --> 00:04:59,160 doing. I'd love to know 81 00:05:00,659 --> 00:05:05,399 As boosted, and I'm listening. And I think that's a great idea. 82 00:05:05,789 --> 00:05:09,239 With audio books, the value for value model is so appropriate 83 00:05:09,239 --> 00:05:11,999 for it, particularly because you know, you're paying for how much 84 00:05:11,999 --> 00:05:12,599 you listen. 85 00:05:14,340 --> 00:05:17,730 So the length of the book does matter. But also, you know, you 86 00:05:17,730 --> 00:05:20,550 can pay the speaker, you can have a split going to the 87 00:05:20,550 --> 00:05:24,240 author, there's so many cool things that can be done with 88 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,930 that. So yeah, in a way, it's great. This privatization is, 89 00:05:28,350 --> 00:05:30,930 you know, this making feeds private, although I understand, 90 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,110 you know, you might as well just just use DRM, I don't know, why 91 00:05:34,110 --> 00:05:37,380 go, Why go through all the trouble. Why don't we need 92 00:05:37,380 --> 00:05:39,720 silent splits. So 93 00:05:40,770 --> 00:05:45,090 unnamed splits, so that you can send your, so you can send some 94 00:05:45,090 --> 00:05:48,570 of your split to, to the person who actually wrote the book, 95 00:05:48,810 --> 00:05:52,560 rather than the person whose name is on the book? Ghost, 96 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,660 right? We could, yeah, guess right, you can just put in it 97 00:05:54,660 --> 00:05:59,910 just put in a dash, as long as, as long as as long as it's a 98 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,760 node ID on the other end, it doesn't matter. That's fine. No 99 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,670 one needs to know who that is. I kind of like that. To go. Yes, 100 00:06:05,670 --> 00:06:08,430 the ghost. The ghost split is like, oh, whoever this guy is, 101 00:06:08,460 --> 00:06:11,880 yeah, they've written like 14 audio books. I mean, 14 books 102 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,880 because they are nodes everywhere. Now I once started 103 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,580 to do audio books, and it was, you know, I have these periods. 104 00:06:17,580 --> 00:06:21,750 Well, you know, my periods were all I get bored. And then I got 105 00:06:21,750 --> 00:06:23,490 another idea. exit strategy. 106 00:06:25,950 --> 00:06:28,950 And I want to do some audio books. Just just kind of see how 107 00:06:28,950 --> 00:06:31,290 it is. And I decided to read 108 00:06:32,790 --> 00:06:36,690 from the series that I grew up with Tom Swift. Have you ever 109 00:06:36,690 --> 00:06:39,930 read Tom swift books? I know of it, but I've never read it. And 110 00:06:39,930 --> 00:06:42,480 that's, that was like, sort of like Hardy Boys type. Yeah, 111 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,960 except when I, when I actually look looked into it. I was like, 112 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,420 holy crap, these books are from 113 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,320 like, I think they're from 1900. 114 00:06:53,790 --> 00:06:57,660 Anything 19 1910 is when they were able to getting them off 115 00:06:57,660 --> 00:07:01,410 the Gutenberg project. So you know, okay, obviously, they are 116 00:07:01,410 --> 00:07:04,770 in the those are in the public domain like this. This will be 117 00:07:04,770 --> 00:07:08,250 fun. I'll read it. And and Tom Swift is 118 00:07:09,330 --> 00:07:11,580 the guy who wrote it was Victor Appleton. I don't think there 119 00:07:11,580 --> 00:07:15,690 was a pseudonym. And he had stuff like Tom swift and his 120 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,860 rocket ship, Tom Swift, and his time machine, Tom Swift, and his 121 00:07:19,860 --> 00:07:23,430 electric grandmother, you know, all these different things. And 122 00:07:23,460 --> 00:07:25,860 because he was an inventor, and I think it was actually very, 123 00:07:25,890 --> 00:07:29,700 not, I think about it very influential on my life. And I 124 00:07:29,700 --> 00:07:32,610 really loved the idea of inventing except his dad would, 125 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,820 you know, was kind of his, his mentor, which that wasn't the 126 00:07:35,820 --> 00:07:40,500 same for me. I had a different kind of imaginary mentor. And I 127 00:07:40,500 --> 00:07:43,800 started reading these books. And it's filled with all kinds of 128 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,520 really inappropriate language about black people. And 129 00:07:49,020 --> 00:07:54,240 oh, no, I can't I read this as a kid. How am I not in the KKK? It 130 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:54,480 was 131 00:07:56,130 --> 00:08:01,560 no idea. No idea at all. Yeah, we did a test but podcasts 132 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:06,030 throughout their day, I use it to Neo test, just test random 133 00:08:06,030 --> 00:08:10,230 stuff. And it's just a this one chapter of an old 134 00:08:12,300 --> 00:08:16,560 was that guy HP Lovecraft one chapter of an HP Lovecraft short 135 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:21,090 story. And I was having to edit that thing on the fly, like left 136 00:08:21,090 --> 00:08:21,690 and right me. 137 00:08:22,740 --> 00:08:25,800 Because I'm reading a sentence. I'm like, No, no, I gotta change 138 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,350 that. gotta change this. You know, it's like, Man, that those 139 00:08:28,350 --> 00:08:31,770 sensibilities are long gone. Thank goodness. 140 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:38,280 We got a very, very busy boardroom today. And before we 141 00:08:38,310 --> 00:08:41,280 end, we're going to bring our guests in or our other board 142 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:45,030 members to talk about a number of things, but I did just want 143 00:08:45,030 --> 00:08:45,210 to 144 00:08:46,680 --> 00:08:51,330 share an experience as we look at you know, the on ramping of 145 00:08:51,330 --> 00:08:54,150 people from you know, Bitcoin to lightning and putting in 146 00:08:54,150 --> 00:08:55,230 wallets, etc. 147 00:08:56,820 --> 00:09:01,470 Tina and I were watching Tim Poole, a few days back, and Max 148 00:09:01,470 --> 00:09:05,640 Kaiser was on with his wife, Stacy, and really do the Tim 149 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:10,830 Poole thing I Oh, no, I cannot I cannot watch Tim Poole and Tina 150 00:09:10,830 --> 00:09:13,530 does. She used to watch him every day. And now she's kind of 151 00:09:13,530 --> 00:09:16,200 it's kind of diminished. Because she's like, they just it's 152 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,500 always kind of the same. I said, Yeah. That's the Daily Show. 153 00:09:19,530 --> 00:09:22,500 Yes. Yeah, exactly. It's very hard to do a daily show make it 154 00:09:22,500 --> 00:09:25,200 entertaining. But they so they had Max and Stacy on. They got 155 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,320 we'll watch that. And it was kind of going off the rails 156 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,280 because Tim Poole, of course, now completely unprepared and 157 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,220 you know you if you have Max Keiser there and he gets bored. 158 00:09:35,250 --> 00:09:37,740 He's gonna go off the rails. It's just gonna get super 159 00:09:37,740 --> 00:09:40,830 stupid. You know, he's got a rubber chicken and he's yelling 160 00:09:40,830 --> 00:09:42,990 they had to turn the mic down. It was bad but 161 00:09:46,170 --> 00:09:49,710 what did they do in Super chats? So you know, if you if you give 162 00:09:49,860 --> 00:09:53,130 a guess you can do 510 15 whatever it seems like if you do 163 00:09:53,130 --> 00:09:56,880 a Super Chat, which is you know, you pay $200 then Tim Poole 164 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,970 reads it like cuz I'm watching Max and Stacy and Tony. 165 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,140 And as dumb questions coming in like, Max, do you think bitcoins 166 00:10:04,140 --> 00:10:06,840 gonna make climate change worse you know, these are not the 167 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,330 questions for max geyser and 168 00:10:10,469 --> 00:10:15,089 and like wow come on and on telegram texting them like pay 169 00:10:15,119 --> 00:10:17,639 podcasting to point out where the fuck is wrong with you like 170 00:10:17,639 --> 00:10:21,359 the promote the shit already is Tim Poole and it's not happening 171 00:10:21,359 --> 00:10:24,119 like come on Team let's do a Super Chat we'll do a $200 Super 172 00:10:24,119 --> 00:10:27,719 Chat. It was her idea she's Miss marketing like, let's do the 173 00:10:27,719 --> 00:10:34,739 Super Chat there. Now we gave up between the steps of registering 174 00:10:34,739 --> 00:10:38,339 for the Super Chat through YouTube and then you have to 175 00:10:39,119 --> 00:10:43,889 make sure it's the right app on iOS and then you have to confirm 176 00:10:44,429 --> 00:10:49,019 with your iOS, your iCloud password that you approve. It's 177 00:10:49,019 --> 00:10:53,159 like, by the time we were done, the show was almost over. It was 178 00:10:53,249 --> 00:10:56,249 it was not easy at all. 179 00:10:57,270 --> 00:10:59,460 You know to set that up. Now once it's set up, I'm sure 180 00:10:59,460 --> 00:11:02,490 you're like boom, boom, boom, Super Chat all day. That's my 181 00:11:02,490 --> 00:11:06,630 point is like, it's like none of this is really all that hard. 182 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:11,400 It's just the Fudd that's thrown up. Well, in that regard. I've 183 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,280 been noticing how many podcasts or I haven't even looked at the 184 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:19,470 stats lately, but there's a lot of podcasts that are have value 185 00:11:19,470 --> 00:11:24,150 blogs now. It's got to be over 200 Yeah, I don't mean I should 186 00:11:24,150 --> 00:11:26,250 check while we're on the show but I do you know what Yeah, do 187 00:11:26,250 --> 00:11:30,240 that. Do you know when we got we got like 10 new value blocks the 188 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,000 day after Leo Laporte defamed me. 189 00:11:34,110 --> 00:11:37,470 I think john says I have john says I have a libel suit against 190 00:11:37,470 --> 00:11:41,670 him so I have to be very hurt Oh really? Yeah, he's hurt it was 191 00:11:41,670 --> 00:11:42,420 hurtful wasn't 192 00:11:43,500 --> 00:11:46,590 too bad it was successful with signups otherwise I could use it 193 00:11:46,590 --> 00:11:50,520 in court. No one signed up after that. Now this we had to do the 194 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,070 saved or created thing like we would have had we would have 195 00:11:54,450 --> 00:11:55,770 if it had not been for what he said. 196 00:11:57,570 --> 00:12:01,620 I know it's it's really cranking it really is it's beautiful to 197 00:12:01,620 --> 00:12:05,490 see now. I'm just gonna bug you one more time about the two 198 00:12:05,490 --> 00:12:06,060 things 199 00:12:07,410 --> 00:12:11,280 well the one thing really is to V record we talked to swing 200 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:11,820 skies 201 00:12:13,500 --> 00:12:17,250 Paul's back and back on the horse now he he was he was going 202 00:12:17,250 --> 00:12:20,730 he said he was traveling stuff. So he's back on right and Evan 203 00:12:20,730 --> 00:12:25,020 hopefully is back from maternity leave. Well, maternity leave. He 204 00:12:25,020 --> 00:12:28,350 seems to be I think what was happening as far as I can piece 205 00:12:28,350 --> 00:12:30,900 it together wasn't so Evan telling somebody else. Ellen 206 00:12:30,900 --> 00:12:34,800 Sphinx dead. He's currently rewriting that the Android app 207 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,940 from scratch. It was I think he Yeah, I don't know if it was 208 00:12:38,940 --> 00:12:42,360 just like, just too bad and had to burn it down and start over. 209 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:42,720 But 210 00:12:43,890 --> 00:12:47,490 that was what he said. So I don't know if he he's probably 211 00:12:47,490 --> 00:12:51,330 just been like heads down. Okay, getting that thing done. Well, I 212 00:12:51,330 --> 00:12:52,050 don't care. 213 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,610 I want it to be records fix so that we can know what I want. 214 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:01,080 Yeah, what I want so we can make the next step with Ellen pay. So 215 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,440 many things to do. I just haven't reached out we we need 216 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,190 to reach out to Paul Yeah. And ask because I'm sure it's 217 00:13:10,350 --> 00:13:14,670 gonna say trivial. were you gonna say? A small fix? Wow. You 218 00:13:14,670 --> 00:13:17,550 sound like an asshole executive now. Congratulations, Dave. 219 00:13:17,700 --> 00:13:21,630 Well, you're a partner in a company now. Oh, yes, of course. 220 00:13:21,690 --> 00:13:24,960 Are you a partner at the firm? They may. No, no, no, I'm 221 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:29,190 talking about in our in potty. Oh, here I guess index LLC. No, 222 00:13:29,190 --> 00:13:33,060 I thought this was your this was your your day job. You sound 223 00:13:33,060 --> 00:13:37,530 like a day job guy. No, no, no, no, not at all. me don't want me 224 00:13:37,530 --> 00:13:40,800 having any of my hands and running and running a real 225 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:41,760 business. Lovely. 226 00:13:42,780 --> 00:13:45,270 Yeah. And it was nice to see that. 227 00:13:46,290 --> 00:13:48,960 It was actually was good for a number of reasons. Curio caster 228 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,620 hooked up value for value, usually good looking app. It's a 229 00:13:52,620 --> 00:13:56,940 great app. And what was really interesting is, you know, so he, 230 00:13:57,690 --> 00:14:01,500 he's basically going the pod station route. And so and from 231 00:14:01,500 --> 00:14:04,410 what I've seen is pod verse, like, Alright, go here, get your 232 00:14:04,410 --> 00:14:09,000 key, get your admin key, paste it in here. And I can just see 233 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,000 the fix. You know, it's so simple. Even if you just spit 234 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,810 those two things back at someone from an API from you know, the 235 00:14:15,810 --> 00:14:19,500 LM pay wallet, like here, these are the ones you paste in even 236 00:14:19,500 --> 00:14:23,700 that would be enough. It's it's so close. It's such it's just 237 00:14:23,700 --> 00:14:26,880 it's like, yeah, we're making people click on tabs and go to 238 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:32,700 fields and copy and paste and we're so close it there. There 239 00:14:32,700 --> 00:14:36,300 can be a simple handshake. I feel like I think so too. Yeah, 240 00:14:36,390 --> 00:14:39,420 I think so to where does Tim live from lm pay? 241 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,140 Yo, I want to say that he lives 242 00:14:44,550 --> 00:14:47,760 I thought it was the South. I was thinking he was up in like 243 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,280 North Carolina or something. Well, if he's a Bitcoin, we're 244 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:55,290 gonna kidnap and we're going to tie him up in the in the podcast 245 00:14:55,290 --> 00:14:56,610 index, Suite 246 00:14:58,230 --> 00:14:59,970 index, Airbnb. It 247 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,340 Miami. In Miami, yes. 248 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,640 Hey, since there's so unless there's something else you want 249 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,580 to talk about with me specifically, we can bring any 250 00:15:08,580 --> 00:15:12,510 other board members. No, go ahead. Okay. So the door open 251 00:15:12,510 --> 00:15:16,500 wide. Oh, hold on a second. Oh, do you have the key? Yeah, 252 00:15:16,500 --> 00:15:19,650 right. Here it is. Alright, there you go. Yes. 253 00:15:22,770 --> 00:15:26,430 Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the board room from 254 00:15:26,430 --> 00:15:29,460 na tube international enterprises. The Honorable Mr. 255 00:15:29,490 --> 00:15:33,870 Alex gates and from pod friend enterprises. Mr. Martin 256 00:15:33,870 --> 00:15:40,620 Morrison. Hey, happy to be here. Hello. Happy to be here. Yes, we 257 00:15:40,620 --> 00:15:41,790 have the Danish royalty. 258 00:15:44,730 --> 00:15:48,300 Okay, gentlemen, so good to have you here. Once again. We are 259 00:15:48,300 --> 00:15:51,180 integrated. Alex, where are you? What's your location? Where are 260 00:15:51,180 --> 00:15:55,110 you? I'm up in Wisconsin. Wisconsin. Right, man? We got a 261 00:15:55,110 --> 00:15:58,290 pretty diverse show. That's nice. Are you from Wisconsin? Or 262 00:15:58,290 --> 00:16:01,530 do you just live there? Yeah. Born and raised. Do you have a 263 00:16:01,530 --> 00:16:02,700 Wisconsin voice? 264 00:16:03,780 --> 00:16:06,510 That makes it when you said Wisconsin? I'm like, yep. That's 265 00:16:06,510 --> 00:16:08,160 a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. 266 00:16:10,170 --> 00:16:14,130 Your bet your badger. Oh, yeah, of course. backpanel. All 267 00:16:14,130 --> 00:16:19,350 through. Okay. So we have Alex and Martin in here. Today, we're 268 00:16:19,350 --> 00:16:22,110 going to talk about a project that we've been working on. But 269 00:16:22,110 --> 00:16:25,590 maybe, since we're kind of all here, and we've all been looking 270 00:16:25,590 --> 00:16:29,580 at it and all in our own way. troubleshooting and adding 271 00:16:29,580 --> 00:16:34,380 ideas. I think pod paying is the number one topic for for today's 272 00:16:34,380 --> 00:16:37,500 meeting. I mean, this is we It feels like we're very close to 273 00:16:37,500 --> 00:16:42,240 doing something extremely important. Dave? Hope so. I 274 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:47,430 mean, so where it's at now, maybe it may be a refresher, 275 00:16:47,430 --> 00:16:51,930 maybe a refresher, explain what pod ping is and why it is? Yeah, 276 00:16:51,930 --> 00:16:55,530 I think. So I was listening to pod land yesterday. That was my 277 00:16:55,530 --> 00:17:00,450 Thursday night ritual. And James almost got it. Right. He he 278 00:17:00,450 --> 00:17:02,850 missed a one piece of it. 279 00:17:04,710 --> 00:17:09,300 And so the thing with the thing with pod paying is now just lay 280 00:17:09,300 --> 00:17:14,490 the parts out. But first, why at first, why? Why pod pig? Okay, 281 00:17:14,490 --> 00:17:17,400 well, the reason why is that 282 00:17:18,780 --> 00:17:21,510 the only way the only two ways to know if the fee if an RSS 283 00:17:21,510 --> 00:17:22,440 feed has changed. And 284 00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:27,270 the reason why we're even discussing this, I mean, if 285 00:17:27,270 --> 00:17:29,580 there's 20 fields out there, this wouldn't be a big deal. You 286 00:17:29,580 --> 00:17:33,300 check them every 10 seconds. But, you know, with three and a 287 00:17:33,300 --> 00:17:37,290 half million pod, or 3.7 million podcast RSS feeds. 288 00:17:38,370 --> 00:17:42,600 The only way to know how to feed this change is if you go and 289 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:47,400 requests and pull it to go and check it. Or if somehow you get 290 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,710 told that it changed. And so 291 00:17:51,300 --> 00:17:55,170 web, historically, aggregators would just run through their 292 00:17:55,170 --> 00:17:58,290 list of feeds, and check them all. And then they would run 293 00:17:58,290 --> 00:18:00,270 through again, check them all, and they would just keep doing 294 00:18:00,270 --> 00:18:01,530 that continuously all day long. 295 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:07,410 Web sub tried to fix that, and I would say has been largely, you 296 00:18:07,410 --> 00:18:10,980 know, it works. I mean, the technology of web sub works, 297 00:18:11,190 --> 00:18:15,930 there's no knock here. Web sub is the thing where you, the 298 00:18:15,930 --> 00:18:21,960 publisher, read registers with a hub, which is just a web server 299 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:26,100 that's configured to talk lips, I'm sorry. So and the reason we 300 00:18:26,100 --> 00:18:29,130 needed to change that is because it's 301 00:18:30,270 --> 00:18:34,680 incredibly inefficient to to be trolling stuff and and of 302 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,010 course, everyone who needs updated RSS information. They're 303 00:18:38,010 --> 00:18:42,960 all crawling feeds. And it's mainly a huge rate, waste of 304 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,770 resources. But I think, with some hosting companies, it 305 00:18:46,770 --> 00:18:50,910 actually is a quite an additional cost. Yeah, well, 306 00:18:52,380 --> 00:18:56,580 or I'll give you an example. Let's see, Tom from buzzsprout 307 00:18:56,580 --> 00:19:00,600 said that they just Apple's crawler, he posted this earlier, 308 00:19:00,690 --> 00:19:04,470 hit them about 50,000 times in 30 minutes. Now, does that mean 309 00:19:04,470 --> 00:19:08,610 that they crawl through every feed they have? I guess, I'm not 310 00:19:08,610 --> 00:19:10,800 sure exactly what the breakdown is of traffic. And he said they 311 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,850 don't log that. So he said the only reason he realized is 312 00:19:14,850 --> 00:19:18,240 because it really is in fact killing the planet with this. 313 00:19:18,870 --> 00:19:19,980 It's worse than Bitcoin. 314 00:19:24,690 --> 00:19:29,790 So that's like 28 hits a second, roughly on their CDN, from 315 00:19:29,790 --> 00:19:33,750 crawling from what from just one crawler. Okay, so Apple has to 316 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:39,360 Apple has to crawl you overcast has to crawl you, Spotify mean 317 00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:42,750 all these us, everybody has to crawl everybody else, your 318 00:19:43,170 --> 00:19:48,000 stitcher and so you just get this monumental, you know, 319 00:19:48,030 --> 00:19:53,790 climate destroying activity, cost, anything but green? Yes, 320 00:19:53,820 --> 00:19:56,700 yes. It's Brown. It's all Brown. Yeah. And so 321 00:19:57,990 --> 00:20:00,000 anyway, so web sub will 322 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:05,100 We're going to solve this. And by creating hubs and the 323 00:20:05,100 --> 00:20:08,880 publisher of a feed registers with the hub, and then somebody 324 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,460 who wants to get notified when there's when the feed changes, 325 00:20:11,730 --> 00:20:17,550 also registers as a subscriber on the hub, and says, ping me 326 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:23,040 when this page changes. Got it. And so the, whenever the 327 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:27,990 publisher updates the feed, you get a, you get a get request 328 00:20:27,990 --> 00:20:31,980 from the from the web sub hub, that tells you this feed has 329 00:20:31,980 --> 00:20:35,370 changed. You know, it's fine, except 330 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:42,660 InVision, three and a half 3.7 million subscriptions that have 331 00:20:42,660 --> 00:20:47,610 to stay active, to website to all different web sub hubs all 332 00:20:47,610 --> 00:20:51,240 the time. And your maximum length, typically on a website 333 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,640 hub for a subscription is about 15 days. 334 00:20:55,980 --> 00:20:58,950 Then it kicks you off, you have to re re subscribe, oh my god, 335 00:20:58,950 --> 00:21:02,700 don't re subscribe within 15 days, then you you stop getting 336 00:21:02,700 --> 00:21:06,840 pings. I didn't realize this. And it also seems unreliable in 337 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,300 general, because that's the script I used to ping when the 338 00:21:09,300 --> 00:21:10,500 shows updated. Right? 339 00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:15,150 Yeah, you're sending one directly to our hub receiver. 340 00:21:15,390 --> 00:21:19,710 Yeah, well, that's also not always very reliable. So the 341 00:21:19,710 --> 00:21:26,520 thing the thing about it is, you you have you end up with like, 342 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:30,240 in our case, we have not everything supports website, but 343 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,890 with the we have roughly we have over a million members 1.31 344 00:21:34,890 --> 00:21:39,330 point 4 million webs of enabled feeds. We don't subscribe to 345 00:21:39,330 --> 00:21:42,270 them all because some are just abandoned, right? When we end up 346 00:21:42,270 --> 00:21:46,920 with roughly 800,000 active web subscriptions that we have to 347 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,340 keep re subscribing to every 15 days. Right, which seems like 348 00:21:50,340 --> 00:21:50,940 another 349 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:56,760 waste of resources. Yes. So that's, that's the problem with 350 00:21:56,820 --> 00:22:00,030 with web sub, from our perspective is it puts a lot of 351 00:22:00,030 --> 00:22:05,940 burden on the on the subscriber side, if you want to maintain 352 00:22:06,060 --> 00:22:09,720 your your level of notification, right, that's one issue. The 353 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:15,120 other issue is that the hub doesn't always tell the truth. 354 00:22:15,690 --> 00:22:20,640 So like, if the hub is silent, and you don't get a pain, you're 355 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,950 not you're not sure if you didn't get a pain because the 356 00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:25,320 fee didn't update or you didn't get a pain because the hub is 357 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,630 messed up, like waiting for your boyfriend to text you. 358 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:33,030 Exactly, exactly what it is. Hey, Alex, Alex and Martin, 359 00:22:33,030 --> 00:22:35,820 unmute man, I want to hear I want to make sure that if my if 360 00:22:35,820 --> 00:22:39,270 I'm making good jokes that you laugh, this is not for that stop 361 00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:44,520 or that corporate behavior. Ex jokes muting themselves, not a 362 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,460 zoom meeting. Yeah, it's not zoom voice. But you're well 363 00:22:47,460 --> 00:22:49,050 trained, obviously. 364 00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:56,460 So you have you have to, you have two problems there. And 365 00:22:57,510 --> 00:23:02,970 the so what you would rather have his you would rather have 366 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:07,350 something that is just a firehose, but this is if you're 367 00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:10,470 an aggregator, so and this is what this is all this is all 368 00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:14,700 designed for. If you're just one person that has that wants to 369 00:23:14,700 --> 00:23:18,030 subscribe to 1000 feeds, he's webs, I'm not a big deal, right? 370 00:23:18,900 --> 00:23:24,900 If you need to subscribe to 3 million feeds, you need a better 371 00:23:24,900 --> 00:23:27,570 way. And so you'd what you really want is your fire hose 372 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,800 easy to Jakarta thing. And now you don't need that. That's the 373 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:32,520 thing you don't need. 374 00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:38,340 So those pod pod ping is 375 00:23:39,450 --> 00:23:41,190 a essentially it's a hub. 376 00:23:42,810 --> 00:23:43,350 idea. 377 00:23:44,460 --> 00:23:52,020 It's a web server that accepts a URL from approved publishers 378 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:58,920 accepts it just accepts a Feed URL, passes it to a script that 379 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:03,360 writes that Feed URL to the blog to the hive blockchain. And 380 00:24:03,690 --> 00:24:08,940 you're done. So a publisher, like Tom has mentioned to Tom 381 00:24:08,940 --> 00:24:12,330 from buzzsprout. publisher, let buzzsprout would just send it 382 00:24:12,330 --> 00:24:14,700 just do a get request every time the same thing they're doing 383 00:24:14,700 --> 00:24:19,860 with with the web sub, get GET request to the to pod thing. It 384 00:24:19,860 --> 00:24:20,910 takes that URL, 385 00:24:22,020 --> 00:24:23,250 sticks it in a queue. 386 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,200 every three seconds the queue gets flushed. And those things 387 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,990 get in those URLs get written to the to the hive blockchain. 388 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,850 And that, that would that solves it and that solves two things. 389 00:24:36,150 --> 00:24:39,000 The people, people who want to get notified that feeds have 390 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,420 changed. All they have to do is monitor the blockchain. All they 391 00:24:42,420 --> 00:24:44,520 have to do is watch the blockchain. They don't have to 392 00:24:44,550 --> 00:24:48,330 ever subscribe to anything. They're just passively 393 00:24:48,330 --> 00:24:50,220 monitoring the blockchain. 394 00:24:51,630 --> 00:24:54,090 So there's nothing there's no internet, there's not even any 395 00:24:54,090 --> 00:24:59,550 interactivity there. The second thing is it's very easy to 396 00:24:59,550 --> 00:25:00,000 figure out 397 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:05,400 If the if the chain if the system is not flowing, right, 398 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,550 because if the firehose stops, something's wrong, 399 00:25:09,870 --> 00:25:11,850 which is basically what I believe, hey, something's wrong 400 00:25:11,850 --> 00:25:14,670 here. What's going on here? The firehose has multiple streams 401 00:25:14,670 --> 00:25:19,410 from Brian. Yeah. So like the flood of activity going into 402 00:25:19,410 --> 00:25:21,780 blockchain is sort of like a red Blinky light on the, you know, 403 00:25:21,780 --> 00:25:24,420 on the server in the server room, right? I mean, if it 404 00:25:24,420 --> 00:25:28,170 starts, if it starts blinking, something's wrong. So anyway, so 405 00:25:28,170 --> 00:25:30,960 that's, that's what that's what pod ping is. It's it's just 406 00:25:30,990 --> 00:25:34,380 accepting URLs writing into a blockchain. 407 00:25:36,060 --> 00:25:38,610 But this is the revolutionary part. 408 00:25:41,010 --> 00:25:43,530 I've been around for a bit, but this is one of the few times 409 00:25:43,530 --> 00:25:47,220 when any organization said yeah, we're gonna use blockchain. And 410 00:25:47,220 --> 00:25:50,490 it wasn't for some marketing bullcrap. This is actually it's 411 00:25:50,490 --> 00:25:55,650 actually a very good use of blockchain. It's super cool. I'm 412 00:25:55,650 --> 00:25:58,560 sure Alex knows this more than you know, more than most. It's 413 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,280 like blog. blockchain is a was the old at the cliche blockchain 414 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,150 is a database solution. It's a solution looking for a problem. 415 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,620 It's also very misunderstood. But yeah, in general, it's a 416 00:26:10,770 --> 00:26:15,210 buzzword. Well, but but in this case, Alex, it seems pretty damn 417 00:26:15,210 --> 00:26:15,870 appropriate. 418 00:26:17,610 --> 00:26:21,660 Yeah, it solves a lot of problems. One of the things that 419 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,420 David mentioned is the last mile problem I've been talking about 420 00:26:24,420 --> 00:26:24,750 where 421 00:26:26,100 --> 00:26:29,940 if you take a stand on podcast, application, desktop, Android, 422 00:26:29,940 --> 00:26:31,980 iOS, I like in 10, apod. 423 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,180 They've been trying to solve a problem, like website is only 424 00:26:36,180 --> 00:26:41,640 for servers. So if you can't stop pulling, if you just have a 425 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:46,200 client only application and have a decentralized blockchain with 426 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,940 API's really solves that problem. 427 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,870 Yeah, cuz you the reason there's only four servers because you 428 00:26:51,870 --> 00:26:54,030 have to have a web hook to receive it. And if you're on a 429 00:26:54,030 --> 00:26:56,670 mobile app, or something like that, I mean, you can't, you 430 00:26:56,670 --> 00:26:59,340 can't be always online, you don't have web hooks are not an 431 00:26:59,340 --> 00:27:04,620 option. It's not you know, does pod ping, in a way, circumvent 432 00:27:06,270 --> 00:27:11,010 what the updated API does from podcast index? Or is it we still 433 00:27:11,010 --> 00:27:12,510 have logic in there? That is? 434 00:27:15,450 --> 00:27:20,040 Maybe just stop there with the question. Couldn't couldn't pod 435 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,680 friend just also watch the blockchain? And then oh, 436 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,350 something new? And I have subscribers for that. I'm going 437 00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:29,400 to pull in the feed. Technically, I guess. Yeah. So 438 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,640 the, what you would what you would have with something like, 439 00:27:33,330 --> 00:27:36,930 like with what Alex is talking about, is, let's envision a 440 00:27:36,930 --> 00:27:41,550 future where we have the live tag, you know, the live system 441 00:27:41,550 --> 00:27:45,300 working with live tag. So you're waiting, you're waiting on an 442 00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:50,910 item to go like, like a live stream to start. Okay. And then, 443 00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:55,110 like, how do you know when it actually starts? And that's a 444 00:27:55,110 --> 00:28:00,960 way that something like an app like pod friend could watch the 445 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,790 blockchain. For that, for that signal, that the stream is the 446 00:28:05,790 --> 00:28:08,580 stream has, that the feed has changed? And then they noted, 447 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,380 then, you know, to crank it up. 448 00:28:11,850 --> 00:28:14,580 That's it. That's I'm saying that right on Alex. 449 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,660 Yeah. And it's, arguably, it couldn't be more reliable than 450 00:28:18,660 --> 00:28:21,240 any of the other live netiquette notification systems. I mean, 451 00:28:21,630 --> 00:28:23,730 you guys have seen how long YouTube notifications can take 452 00:28:23,730 --> 00:28:27,600 some times. And this is it's every 30 seconds. Right. 453 00:28:28,740 --> 00:28:32,250 So this is this is truly just a notification system. 454 00:28:34,830 --> 00:28:37,650 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the way we're using it, yeah. 455 00:28:38,730 --> 00:28:42,300 It's fantastic. When you know, when Steven put together pod, 456 00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:47,490 ping, dash watcher dot web dot app, which is one of my favorite 457 00:28:47,490 --> 00:28:49,890 URLs to remember, it rolls off the tongue. 458 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,980 I realized, this is what web blogs.com was when Dave want 459 00:28:55,980 --> 00:29:00,960 before Dave Winer sold it. He had one page web blogs calm. And 460 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,510 that page would just be every blog post, everything that 461 00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:06,930 updated in real time would just flow down that page. And, 462 00:29:08,010 --> 00:29:10,650 and I think I mentioned this, I posted it. 463 00:29:12,510 --> 00:29:15,540 When Stephen threw this up, I'm like, holy crap. This is the 464 00:29:15,540 --> 00:29:22,260 first time ever in 18 years, you can look at podcast updating 465 00:29:22,290 --> 00:29:24,300 across the world in real time. 466 00:29:25,770 --> 00:29:30,660 It's trippy. No, not kind of, it's mind blowing. And I and I 467 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:36,300 and I, I posted that on on the socials. And the response from 468 00:29:36,300 --> 00:29:39,390 people was like, Oh, my God, it's alive is that they almost 469 00:29:39,660 --> 00:29:43,080 like a mind like an animal that Frankenstein thing that's come 470 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,800 to life is very exciting to see this happen. And I agree. It's 471 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,910 like wow, just look at this and the titles. The stuff that's 472 00:29:50,910 --> 00:29:55,020 coming by that you've Of course never heard of is very 473 00:29:55,020 --> 00:29:59,280 entertaining. Then really fantastic. It's it's almost the 474 00:29:59,280 --> 00:29:59,970 thing that you 475 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,360 From the very beginning, yes, that is exactly right days. 476 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,420 That's exactly what I was thinking. Yep. And 477 00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:10,919 yeah, although that will There you go. There's your progress 478 00:30:11,399 --> 00:30:14,219 in, in a little over nine months, we went from what's on 479 00:30:14,219 --> 00:30:16,859 the homepage to this, that's pretty phenomenal. 480 00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:21,719 That the kind of have an Amen. Day man. 481 00:30:23,670 --> 00:30:27,990 That's so the reason that convened the this this 482 00:30:28,590 --> 00:30:33,750 particular board meeting is for is because of all the video 483 00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:34,860 stuff that we're talking about. 484 00:30:36,180 --> 00:30:36,900 You know, and 485 00:30:38,130 --> 00:30:41,640 you get in a tube, and pod friend. 486 00:30:42,930 --> 00:30:47,160 Up until Curio caster came on pod friend was one of the only 487 00:30:47,580 --> 00:30:48,810 apps supporting video. 488 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,180 And so, I'm just wondering, I guess I'm just gonna throw it 489 00:30:54,180 --> 00:30:59,400 out there to talk to Alex and Martin both. Like, what, what do 490 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,100 we need, at this point in the game? 491 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:12,300 for like, alternate enclosure, live tags? I think that mixture 492 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,660 is we need something around that in order to really get sort of 493 00:31:15,660 --> 00:31:19,320 the video experience to like the next level I want. I want to 494 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:24,450 make those tags happen. And so I wonder where, what's the what's 495 00:31:24,450 --> 00:31:28,110 missing here? Is there Well, what do we have to do next to 496 00:31:28,110 --> 00:31:30,270 get those to sort of like solidify? 497 00:31:32,220 --> 00:31:35,700 So for video, it's 498 00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:39,360 I mean, the problem is bandwidth and hosting and storage and so 499 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:44,460 forth, like in a tube has been around for maybe for four 500 00:31:44,460 --> 00:31:46,920 months, and we have almost 1000 videos now. 501 00:31:48,420 --> 00:31:51,090 And I'm probably find a pod friend or something, some other 502 00:31:51,090 --> 00:31:54,540 applications, but it's the with the way the default enclosure 503 00:31:54,540 --> 00:31:58,890 works. It's it's downloading just the 1080 p video every time 504 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,670 even in pod fan, like if you just have a little video, I kept 505 00:32:02,670 --> 00:32:05,700 buying it. So paying 1080 P and downscale here, right? It just 506 00:32:05,700 --> 00:32:06,390 doesn't need to. 507 00:32:07,980 --> 00:32:13,710 So one way to incentivize hosts would be to allow for dynamic 508 00:32:13,710 --> 00:32:17,640 streaming, which is a solved problem, as built into peer tube 509 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:23,070 and a few other sites. Typically HTTP live streaming, also 510 00:32:23,070 --> 00:32:29,130 abbreviated as HLS. And pewter views is that for both regular 511 00:32:29,130 --> 00:32:32,310 videos and livestream videos, no, I think it'll help 512 00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:36,060 significantly. And there's some ways to even distribute that 513 00:32:36,060 --> 00:32:37,410 bandwidth in a peer to peer manner. 514 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,810 Yeah, I think every time I see 515 00:32:43,860 --> 00:32:48,090 the animated no agenda, like the team, Jennifer, when she posts 516 00:32:48,090 --> 00:32:50,910 like, Oh, I'm adding sets, I'm thinking, Oh, Alex is paying for 517 00:32:50,910 --> 00:32:51,690 that right now. 518 00:32:54,780 --> 00:32:59,610 So yeah, I would really like to support alternate enclosures. 519 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,170 Yeah, just to make it like the time format. So everyone is 520 00:33:04,170 --> 00:33:08,910 sharing the bandwidth bill. What, what on? On that note, 521 00:33:08,910 --> 00:33:13,470 Martin on the iPhone, pod friend doesn't seem to play video in 522 00:33:13,470 --> 00:33:14,880 the app. Is that? 523 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,680 Yeah, that was a So basically, that's a you can say it's a bug. 524 00:33:19,710 --> 00:33:23,670 Because I, I changed a different audio engine. That doesn't 525 00:33:23,670 --> 00:33:27,750 support video, but I'm playing around like with it. So I had to 526 00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:31,620 have a combo. So when the user sees a video, it switches to the 527 00:33:31,620 --> 00:33:36,360 old audio engine. Okay. Have you seen the Have you seen the 528 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:37,920 alternate enclosure tag the way that 529 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:40,800 the way that Alex has written it up? 530 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:47,640 And no, I have not but, but I did try at one point to use the 531 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:54,300 peer tube version where I tried to use web torrent, like NPM 532 00:33:54,300 --> 00:33:59,640 package to pass it. But yeah, I just had too many projects 533 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,510 around me. So it was like, at the first the first obstacle I 534 00:34:03,510 --> 00:34:06,360 hit, it was like, Okay, I'll return to it later. Is that is 535 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,940 that the web torrent library? Is that what you're talking about? 536 00:34:08,940 --> 00:34:13,050 Where it loads that and then you're basically using a kind of 537 00:34:13,050 --> 00:34:18,120 a shared model. Yeah, exactly. And it should be really easy to 538 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:23,160 use. So I do hope to return to it soon actually. Like it's like 539 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,910 the example is like, you know, seven lines of code pretty much 540 00:34:26,940 --> 00:34:29,400 But of course, I'll do that for you. Just let me get 541 00:34:31,380 --> 00:34:32,430 PR incoming. 542 00:34:35,010 --> 00:34:35,850 Maybe I should 543 00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:40,260 give the listeners a little background to this. 544 00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:45,480 I would say first of all, podcasting and pod video, 545 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,660 podcasting used to be a thing before YouTube and then YouTube 546 00:34:48,660 --> 00:34:49,410 completely. 547 00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:53,160 Well really saved the hosting companies because there was no 548 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,020 way they would ever be able to compete 549 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,970 with really even make money probably with the amount 550 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,590 If everyone's doing video for podcasts, and hosting companies 551 00:35:04,590 --> 00:35:05,850 limited that by 552 00:35:07,890 --> 00:35:13,230 allowing you to store X amount of gigabytes or pay more, as 553 00:35:13,230 --> 00:35:17,040 it's a reasonable calculation, but it really fell out of favor, 554 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:21,360 and many apps don't support video, although a lot still do. 555 00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:24,660 And it's just not something it's now it's baked into the 556 00:35:24,660 --> 00:35:28,230 consciousness of people. Oh, no podcasts, you can't do video 557 00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:29,790 there. So 558 00:35:31,290 --> 00:35:34,920 Mark Hall, who is a documentary filmmaker, a friend of mine, he 559 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,520 lives here in Austin. I've known him for Gosh, 10 or 11 years. 560 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,830 And he, we talk regularly about his business. And he said, you 561 00:35:43,830 --> 00:35:44,190 know, 562 00:35:45,390 --> 00:35:48,180 documentary filmmakers are screwed, we can't get on the 563 00:35:48,180 --> 00:35:52,560 platforms. We have controversial topics. So you know, it's often 564 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,250 just that for that reason alone. And then we get on the 565 00:35:56,250 --> 00:35:59,910 platforms, you know, they screw us in pennies come dripping out 566 00:35:59,910 --> 00:36:04,860 the other end. It's hugely political in terms of placement 567 00:36:04,860 --> 00:36:08,400 and promotion. And he says, you know, the, it's just dying. It's 568 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,070 dying on the vine. It's not working, we can't get it 569 00:36:11,070 --> 00:36:14,670 anywhere, is something is podcasting. 2.0 something that 570 00:36:14,670 --> 00:36:18,780 could, that could we could try? And I said, Yeah, I mean, the 571 00:36:18,780 --> 00:36:21,480 thing that's missing is we need some content. He said, Well, 572 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,260 should I let's start with my movie, which had a theatrical 573 00:36:25,260 --> 00:36:29,340 release, and it's called killing Ed. And it's about charter 574 00:36:29,340 --> 00:36:33,840 schools, and specifically the Gulen Movement, who at the time, 575 00:36:34,590 --> 00:36:37,830 just hasn't stopped or infiltrating schools all 576 00:36:37,830 --> 00:36:41,010 throughout Texas and around the world is very interesting. 577 00:36:42,060 --> 00:36:45,870 And this was back in the day when there was a lot going on 578 00:36:45,870 --> 00:36:47,730 with air Diwan and Turkey 579 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,220 during the Obama days, 580 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:51,990 and 581 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,180 and he said, let's try it. And so I said, Okay, you have to be 582 00:36:57,180 --> 00:37:01,530 an active participant, which I think he is and, and he's, he 583 00:37:01,530 --> 00:37:05,400 understands it was the most beautiful moment was, okay, I'm 584 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,930 uploading whatever file format, and then Okay, For Subtitles, 585 00:37:09,930 --> 00:37:12,900 I've got SRT, I'm like, holy shit, this is the same stuff. 586 00:37:12,900 --> 00:37:16,290 We're using that so cool. It was like a minor, little joyous 587 00:37:16,290 --> 00:37:18,870 moments like, oh, and we're, everyone's using the same 588 00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:25,890 formats, go figure. This is way too simple. And, yes, and so the 589 00:37:25,890 --> 00:37:29,670 idea is that this would hopefully be launched as look at 590 00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:34,470 this with value for value streaming payments. And in pod 591 00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:38,280 friends and, but also Curio caster, of course, but as our as 592 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,750 the launch platform, being na tube and, and pod friend. And 593 00:37:43,020 --> 00:37:45,510 then from there, it's just been just been kind of going and I've 594 00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:49,380 seen the long thread. So I think something's getting somewhere. 595 00:37:49,380 --> 00:37:55,140 But the first thing to do, appears to be the alternate 596 00:37:55,140 --> 00:37:55,980 enclosure tag. 597 00:37:58,020 --> 00:38:00,780 Alternate enclosure would help. There's a features I need to 598 00:38:00,780 --> 00:38:04,110 work on on the native side. Because ultimately, it's not 599 00:38:04,110 --> 00:38:08,850 even my software, I modify peer tube dads and stuff. So I need 600 00:38:08,850 --> 00:38:10,680 to add, like value blocks and so forth. 601 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,900 I didn't even know RSS before started the project. So I've 602 00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:17,910 been learning that along the way. So 603 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:25,680 you can't tell. Yeah, you hit it. Well, yeah. Yeah, I 604 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,440 wouldn't. I didn't even know appear to before it stood up at 605 00:38:28,650 --> 00:38:30,390 like five hours. So that was fun. 606 00:38:31,710 --> 00:38:35,370 I want to know the what. So Martin was talking about your 607 00:38:35,370 --> 00:38:41,400 bandwidth and like, How bad is it? Because I don't even 608 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,800 understand how you're running that side. I mean, it just seems 609 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:48,930 like you would need 25 terabytes of bandwidth he's in he's in a 610 00:38:48,930 --> 00:38:52,380 game. He's an heir to a cheese conglomerate. 611 00:38:54,030 --> 00:38:58,980 The big chatter, yeah. Big chatter. He's just got cash to 612 00:38:58,980 --> 00:39:00,210 burn. Okay. 613 00:39:01,530 --> 00:39:05,850 No, no, David's, it's all linode. And with the peer to 614 00:39:05,850 --> 00:39:08,640 peer to stuff, peers, that helps. 615 00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:14,130 It's really not that popular yet. So we get with all the 616 00:39:14,130 --> 00:39:17,850 stuff I have in there, maybe 11 terabytes of bandwidth a month, 617 00:39:17,850 --> 00:39:22,140 and we usually use 5% right now. 11 terabytes per What? 618 00:39:23,370 --> 00:39:30,270 per per month. Oh, okay. And I think I push I push about 13 619 00:39:30,270 --> 00:39:31,410 through linode. 620 00:39:33,150 --> 00:39:33,600 Dave? 621 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,370 Yeah, we, we, I guess if you do for the month. Yeah, that's 622 00:39:38,370 --> 00:39:41,610 probably about right. The good thing about linode is that they 623 00:39:41,610 --> 00:39:46,080 give you ridiculous amounts of bandwidth. Like, you may be 624 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,160 overpaying for some stuff, but they way over provision you in 625 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,070 bandwidth and that's really helpful. Honestly, that's one of 626 00:39:53,070 --> 00:39:56,580 the main reasons why we use them is because they just, they give 627 00:39:56,580 --> 00:39:59,970 you so much extra bandwidth and you don't want that. It's like 628 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,250 You don't even have to think about it. I go back, I go at the 629 00:40:02,250 --> 00:40:05,250 end of the month to check our bandwidth meter. And we've used 630 00:40:05,250 --> 00:40:10,260 like, 1%. No, it's not. Yeah, it's just ridiculous. But But as 631 00:40:10,260 --> 00:40:13,680 far as disk space, so let's, let's say there, somebody 632 00:40:13,710 --> 00:40:15,540 uploads a video 633 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,940 to in a tube, you're storing that locally, right? Now I'm 634 00:40:20,940 --> 00:40:22,110 using object storage 635 00:40:23,580 --> 00:40:27,390 on s3 compatible. So I think the nogen tube object storage right 636 00:40:27,390 --> 00:40:31,620 now is about 1.3. terabytes. Okay, that's a lot. And that's, 637 00:40:31,650 --> 00:40:34,380 I mean, that's really cheap. Like that, is that in linode? 638 00:40:34,380 --> 00:40:39,420 also their object? Okay. So how does this scale does it scale 639 00:40:39,450 --> 00:40:40,470 what needs to happen? 640 00:40:42,030 --> 00:40:45,930 I mean, ideally, scaling is decentralized, where, right you 641 00:40:45,930 --> 00:40:48,870 get other people to host peer to hip and they there's a critical 642 00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:51,720 redundancy where they can help mirror your videos. And that's 643 00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:54,660 where a lot of the peer to peer stuff comes in. Now, is there a 644 00:40:54,660 --> 00:40:58,080 tool where you can calculate or do some rough calculations to 645 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,580 understand how many peers you need of what capacity in order 646 00:41:02,790 --> 00:41:05,850 to scale up to, you know, x, whatever you're doing now? 647 00:41:07,710 --> 00:41:12,510 Hmm, I have no idea. It's hasn't been done before. Um, there's 648 00:41:12,540 --> 00:41:15,630 like, there's a couple of big video sites that do, you know, 649 00:41:15,630 --> 00:41:18,660 decentralized until wars, live streaming stuff, but 650 00:41:20,820 --> 00:41:22,440 they don't make that information public. 651 00:41:23,730 --> 00:41:27,330 Alex, can I ask you? Is it decentralized in the way that 652 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,960 you know, if I watch a video that I share at the same time I 653 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,320 watched the video or do I have to actively say, hey, I want to 654 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,260 be a mirror, I have no agenda to for example. 655 00:41:39,090 --> 00:41:44,640 So the default way it works was that it uses a peer to peer HLS 656 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,710 sharing system that's built on web torrent. 657 00:41:48,060 --> 00:41:51,690 And if you just go to the browser, it what it does is it 658 00:41:51,690 --> 00:41:56,880 takes the URL of the video. And it announces that to all the all 659 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,360 the web torrent clients, and it says, Hey, I'm sharing this 660 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,970 video, and all the other clients can be picked it up. It's 661 00:42:02,970 --> 00:42:04,380 completely decentralized in that fashion. 662 00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:10,050 What's the message? What's the messaging? there? It's how did 663 00:42:10,050 --> 00:42:11,070 the other peers know about it? 664 00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:16,140 It's based on what torrent and send servers? Okay, so it's just 665 00:42:16,140 --> 00:42:20,550 a it's a typical seed. issue. Okay, whether torrent file and 666 00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:21,240 all that, yeah. Okay. 667 00:42:22,260 --> 00:42:25,590 So that makes sense. So, all right. So it's never been done 668 00:42:25,590 --> 00:42:26,760 before. I like that. 669 00:42:28,020 --> 00:42:31,410 Is there a way we may have talked about this before? Is 670 00:42:31,410 --> 00:42:32,070 there a way 671 00:42:33,420 --> 00:42:37,350 that if someone wants to help in the distribution, that they can 672 00:42:37,350 --> 00:42:41,250 help in the distribution, but then it doesn't make sense to 673 00:42:41,250 --> 00:42:47,310 hook that up to some split for storage costs to people who are 674 00:42:47,310 --> 00:42:48,120 participating? 675 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,620 Yeah, that's how that's what purity works by default, even 676 00:42:52,620 --> 00:42:55,680 without what we're doing. So I can help someone spin up a peer 677 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,190 tube instance. And what you do is if you have at your own peer 678 00:42:59,190 --> 00:43:02,640 to server, you can follow other servers. It's very similar to 679 00:43:03,180 --> 00:43:08,370 like mastodons of ours button videos. And when you enable 680 00:43:08,370 --> 00:43:11,610 redundancy, it can copy all videos, it can copy, like the 681 00:43:11,610 --> 00:43:16,590 last seven days with the videos for you. And once we plug in the 682 00:43:16,650 --> 00:43:19,650 peer to peer distributed HLS, live streaming from alternate 683 00:43:19,650 --> 00:43:22,110 enclosure, that would automatically plugin. 684 00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:26,850 Alright, so by this time next week, Dave? 685 00:43:28,380 --> 00:43:30,930 Yeah, I wanted to ask Martin. 686 00:43:32,070 --> 00:43:36,780 So how do you plan on because to me, you're the interface guy. 687 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,730 Well, at least your interface captivates me and you have my 688 00:43:41,730 --> 00:43:44,190 wife under some kind of spell. She keeps walking around with 689 00:43:44,190 --> 00:43:46,530 this coffee mug say nein, nein Nein Nein Yeah. 690 00:43:48,330 --> 00:43:51,360 I love it. So are you enjoying the pillow? 691 00:43:53,070 --> 00:43:55,350 You know, I honestly I haven't filled it up with a pillow yet. 692 00:43:55,380 --> 00:43:58,890 It's because we're, we're in the middle of packing and the less 693 00:43:58,890 --> 00:44:02,850 big, big items I have. So it's kind of nice and compact, but I 694 00:44:02,850 --> 00:44:05,460 will fill it up and I will put my ass on it and take a picture. 695 00:44:07,110 --> 00:44:12,300 Awesome. Yes. So how do you plan on on surfacing this documentary 696 00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:15,300 just going to do it as it just like a podcast will something on 697 00:44:15,300 --> 00:44:18,330 the interface change that would be more appropriate for viewing? 698 00:44:18,330 --> 00:44:21,660 I mean, I know you think about this stuff is what I'm saying. I 699 00:44:21,660 --> 00:44:22,110 guess. 700 00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:26,610 Yeah, I mean, I would really like I have some lists like the 701 00:44:26,610 --> 00:44:29,700 trending podcast and trending True Crime podcasts and stuff 702 00:44:29,700 --> 00:44:33,000 like that. I would really love to, you know, surface it like a 703 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,410 bit like visual podcasts. Like have a specific list about that. 704 00:44:37,500 --> 00:44:41,940 Or, and, like, I could even consider making like a, you 705 00:44:41,940 --> 00:44:45,510 know, not a pop up but like some kind of onboarding that says 706 00:44:45,540 --> 00:44:50,160 like, Hey, did you know that podcast can also be video? Yeah, 707 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,220 one of one of pods friends friendly little messages. 708 00:44:53,460 --> 00:44:57,090 Exactly. Because I do think that you're right that there is a lot 709 00:44:57,090 --> 00:44:59,700 of people that don't like know that 710 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,290 can be videos. 711 00:45:02,460 --> 00:45:07,080 And and I think I think even for the podcasters, it could be mind 712 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:11,460 blowing, like to even, like start to think about, Hey, I 713 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,900 could be doing podcast with video. And I think I think 714 00:45:15,900 --> 00:45:20,520 that's quite interesting. And there comes the next immediate. 715 00:45:21,870 --> 00:45:25,860 I won't say it's a problem, but the next roadblock is okay. So 716 00:45:26,490 --> 00:45:30,870 this is of course going to be successful and people be 717 00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:33,780 interested in and they want to do this. And then where do they 718 00:45:33,780 --> 00:45:34,110 go? 719 00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:38,790 I don't think we want them all show model. But Alex is door. 720 00:45:39,660 --> 00:45:44,580 Alex doesn't want that. No, Alex is not interested. So what we're 721 00:45:44,580 --> 00:45:46,650 missing is, is the tool set. 722 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:53,160 That creates, in fact, kind of a specialized RSS feed actually. 723 00:45:53,610 --> 00:45:56,910 Okay, well, let me ask this on that on that note. All right. So 724 00:45:57,570 --> 00:46:01,950 Alex, did you does it does it? Does peer tube support RSS 725 00:46:01,950 --> 00:46:03,960 natively? Or is that something you had to put in? 726 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,740 a? That's a dramatic question. 727 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:17,640 What is zoom corporate answer this? Well, okay, so that that's 728 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:23,730 amazing. Oh, hold on. Where's my mouse? Yes. There we go. Good. 729 00:46:23,730 --> 00:46:24,930 One, Alex. Good one. 730 00:46:26,100 --> 00:46:30,270 So why is it not playing? But hell? That's never happens. It 731 00:46:30,270 --> 00:46:31,380 never happens. I promise. 732 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,190 You guys keep talking. I'll restart this program whenever 733 00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:36,510 they pay. No. 734 00:46:38,970 --> 00:46:43,860 Yeah, so pier two does support RSS but sports media RSS, which 735 00:46:43,860 --> 00:46:47,070 I asked you about a few months ago. Yeah, it was something that 736 00:46:47,070 --> 00:46:52,560 Yahoo did. And you know, that died. Hmm. So but a lot of the 737 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,660 inspiration for Alterna enclosure came from that 738 00:46:54,660 --> 00:46:59,850 because, I mean, they use media RSS because they didn't like the 739 00:46:59,850 --> 00:47:02,400 regular CES. There was no namespace for what they needed 740 00:47:02,430 --> 00:47:03,240 with video. 741 00:47:04,290 --> 00:47:09,420 So the media RSS thing was like some kind of aborted damond baby 742 00:47:09,420 --> 00:47:09,780 of, 743 00:47:11,010 --> 00:47:15,810 of Yahoo evidently that, like nobody paid attention to. You 744 00:47:15,810 --> 00:47:18,540 know, I got I was really interested in media RSS for a 745 00:47:18,540 --> 00:47:22,200 while for this. Cause back what, how many years ago? is this? The 746 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,910 media RSS came into play? Now it's old. It's old. I remember 747 00:47:26,910 --> 00:47:30,150 thinking, Wow, this is so good. And also I remember learning for 748 00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:32,190 the first time how things don't take off. 749 00:47:33,870 --> 00:47:35,130 absolutely nowhere. 750 00:47:36,780 --> 00:47:39,000 Yeah, so there were a lot of good ideas in there. 751 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,960 I think it was back when Yahoo was still Yahoo, actually. 752 00:47:45,300 --> 00:47:50,520 But so what I did was I forked the peer tube codebase. And I 753 00:47:50,670 --> 00:47:54,630 added my own podcast RSS namespace for podcasting. So 754 00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:58,950 that's, it's all open source. I need to talk with the peer tube 755 00:47:58,950 --> 00:48:01,950 developers, but how to integrate it. So I don't have people have 756 00:48:01,950 --> 00:48:06,660 to rely on me. But uh, again, I can, is there a? Are they pretty 757 00:48:07,020 --> 00:48:09,630 receptive to stuff like that? Could you push that back to 758 00:48:09,630 --> 00:48:14,640 them? That code? Yeah, I saw, because people were asking for 759 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,180 features. They're like, Hey, can we, you know, tell when a video 760 00:48:18,180 --> 00:48:22,200 goes live with RSS? And they're like, Well, no, there's nothing 761 00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,490 supports it. So I think they're very open to utilizing this. 762 00:48:28,170 --> 00:48:30,090 So what? So if, if, 763 00:48:31,620 --> 00:48:36,000 so let's just say that in a tube, I'm just trying to think 764 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,110 through this process, then. 765 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:43,650 Let's say some that some documentary documentarian, let's 766 00:48:43,650 --> 00:48:45,900 say that, that that person's company, 767 00:48:47,010 --> 00:48:50,160 he or she sets up a peer tube instance, 768 00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:54,570 now loads up their documentary on that peer tube instance. And 769 00:48:54,570 --> 00:48:55,080 then 770 00:48:56,130 --> 00:48:59,400 creates a feed. Or I guess there's a feedback default, if 771 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:00,750 they upload their own videos to it. 772 00:49:01,890 --> 00:49:05,220 There's the they put it in the index and then on other 773 00:49:05,220 --> 00:49:10,920 directories, then they could I mean, they could they're done. 774 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,170 Right? They're hosting their own stuff. 775 00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,760 Yeah, it's very similar to a cast pod. Not in that regard. 776 00:49:18,420 --> 00:49:21,150 Okay, because I don't there's a lot of There seems to be a lot 777 00:49:21,150 --> 00:49:24,810 of resistance with traditional podcast host hosting companies 778 00:49:25,230 --> 00:49:28,740 to hosting video. And I guess it's just the bandwidth is such 779 00:49:28,740 --> 00:49:32,700 a scary unknown. That's exactly what it is. That's what it is, 780 00:49:32,700 --> 00:49:36,360 of course, that he had a you know, if you had a podcast, 781 00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:40,050 excuse me a document, documentary, documentary film 782 00:49:40,050 --> 00:49:46,980 company, if they just set up their own deal with with peer 783 00:49:46,980 --> 00:49:50,130 tubes that you had some sharing, right, it wasn't Oh, then maybe 784 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:51,030 maybe that would work. 785 00:49:52,650 --> 00:49:53,430 Yeah, absolutely. 786 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,570 It's not just bandwidth. It's compute too. Because, you know, 787 00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,970 when you upload a video, it's really encoding 788 00:50:00,780 --> 00:50:04,950 To use a format that can work with like HTTP live streaming, 789 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,720 as its encoding it down to, you know, four dp, which is, you 790 00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:13,440 know, it's a lot of compute power. So, but yeah, if if 791 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,260 someone was stood up there on peer tube instance, with my 792 00:50:16,260 --> 00:50:19,950 fork, hopefully it'd be upstream soon. I'm still adding features. 793 00:50:19,950 --> 00:50:21,780 So it's not ready yet. But 794 00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:26,040 I could follow them. And I could help them with bandwidth costs, 795 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:26,700 for example. 796 00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:33,600 What is a chat, pod friend is is HLS. I mean, is that something 797 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,700 you can handle out of the box? Or is that like a bunch of 798 00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:37,230 custom code? Martin? 799 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:44,640 I think that's a bunch of custom code. Like, basically, I'm just 800 00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:49,770 using like standards, like video player capabilities. So I would 801 00:50:49,770 --> 00:50:53,580 have to add custom code for it. But I don't think it will be 802 00:50:54,570 --> 00:50:58,560 that crazy. But maybe it starts being crazy across the 803 00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:03,090 platforms, because I know, you know, iPhone has specific 804 00:51:03,300 --> 00:51:05,700 requirements and all kinds of things. Like for example, you 805 00:51:05,700 --> 00:51:10,260 can only play video on iOS, if it's full screen. So like they 806 00:51:10,260 --> 00:51:12,900 have all kinds of weird requirements. 807 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,450 was that all about? Since you can only play the video if it's 808 00:51:18,450 --> 00:51:22,920 full screen? Yeah. Yeah, you can't be in a windowed thing. 809 00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:26,970 And now they had the little pop out window now in the new in the 810 00:51:26,970 --> 00:51:30,720 new version, but, but I think it's like you basically you're 811 00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:34,710 in a pop out or your full screen? There's no, huh? Yeah, 812 00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:37,620 it's weird. You can't for example, yeah, you can't you 813 00:51:37,620 --> 00:51:40,410 can't go to a web page, for example. And then, you know, see 814 00:51:40,410 --> 00:51:44,250 a thumbnail of the video where it's playing. It has to go to 815 00:51:44,250 --> 00:51:44,910 full screen. 816 00:51:47,700 --> 00:51:51,930 Yeah, and that's a one of the usability guidelines. I guess. 817 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,500 Yeah. It doesn't even give you the option. I don't think I 818 00:51:55,500 --> 00:51:59,610 mean, I think you just get one or the other. Yeah. So it is it 819 00:51:59,610 --> 00:52:02,490 is. So if the if HLS. 820 00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,520 mean, that's really where the magic needs to happen. So I 821 00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:12,090 guess what's happening right now, if I go in and look at a 822 00:52:12,090 --> 00:52:14,670 video that if I open up like, 823 00:52:15,780 --> 00:52:19,080 you know, animated no agenda or something like that, and watch 824 00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,110 video and pod friend, is it? I guess it's just downloading the 825 00:52:22,110 --> 00:52:22,830 whole file? 826 00:52:24,810 --> 00:52:26,640 Yeah, yeah. 827 00:52:30,930 --> 00:52:36,480 So that's I defaulted to 10 ap, because that's a good user 828 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:37,200 experience. 829 00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,760 Although I mean, like animate the animation capacitor as well. 830 00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:42,210 So 831 00:52:44,730 --> 00:52:47,310 it really is, it really is a two part thing. So there's a default 832 00:52:47,310 --> 00:52:49,560 and closure, which I'm defaulting to a video because I 833 00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:50,460 don't want to break stuff. 834 00:52:52,020 --> 00:52:54,240 You know, people hate that, obviously. 835 00:52:56,100 --> 00:53:01,740 But then I, the the HLS stream is a it's a specific MIME type, 836 00:53:01,950 --> 00:53:05,340 and one of the alternate enclosures. And that's the file 837 00:53:05,340 --> 00:53:08,670 that you download. And then you put that into an HLS player. 838 00:53:10,860 --> 00:53:13,800 And I think there's a, there's an open source project called 839 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:19,710 p2p Media loader, which does all the hard work of looking at web 840 00:53:19,710 --> 00:53:20,580 torrent and so forth. 841 00:53:21,900 --> 00:53:22,710 Share bandwidth. 842 00:53:24,570 --> 00:53:29,010 So is that a, the HLS file is that sort of like an in like the 843 00:53:29,010 --> 00:53:31,350 old in three, you file where you download it, and it tells you 844 00:53:31,350 --> 00:53:35,820 where to go? It's a it's an M three u eight file? Yep. Okay. 845 00:53:35,850 --> 00:53:39,120 All right. So let's look at, like control file, essentially. 846 00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:43,680 Okay, well, that makes that makes. That makes sense. I'm 847 00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,720 just trying to think, you know, if, 848 00:53:47,100 --> 00:53:51,900 if you can deliver. Okay, well, one other question, the, so 849 00:53:51,900 --> 00:53:55,200 you're storing the video file and trying to get my head around 850 00:53:55,230 --> 00:53:57,480 what all the different moving parts are. And 851 00:53:58,740 --> 00:54:02,280 so you've got the video in raw and object storage, you've got 852 00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:06,780 your ear in a tube instance. So if you do an alternate enclosure 853 00:54:06,780 --> 00:54:14,400 and pod friend, kicks it down to a lower bit rate, then is that 854 00:54:14,700 --> 00:54:18,570 in his in his you're in a tube is your peer tube instance, 855 00:54:19,530 --> 00:54:23,280 transcoding that on the fly, or it's not serving a different 856 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:23,850 file 857 00:54:25,830 --> 00:54:28,980 transcode them on the fly at a time? Or sorry, not on the 858 00:54:28,980 --> 00:54:32,760 firehose, it could transpose as a matter of time. So it's it's 859 00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,850 storing in all those different resolutions. So you'd be jacking 860 00:54:35,850 --> 00:54:37,380 your, your storage way up. 861 00:54:38,550 --> 00:54:42,120 Yeah, that's what that 1.3 terabytes is. Okay, so you're 862 00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,850 already storing those different thoughts. You're, you're already 863 00:54:44,850 --> 00:54:49,650 doing that. Yeah, I mean, it's for it really is cheaper because 864 00:54:49,650 --> 00:54:51,600 it's cheaper to pay for storage and object storage. 865 00:54:54,060 --> 00:54:57,780 I guess that makes sense. So if you've already got these videos 866 00:54:57,780 --> 00:54:59,820 and the different encoding levels, you really are just 867 00:54:59,820 --> 00:55:00,000 waiting 868 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,500 For a tag to be able to stream. 869 00:55:03,449 --> 00:55:05,909 Yeah, the tags are already there. I already started to 870 00:55:05,909 --> 00:55:10,079 serve that. Yeah. Well, what are we waiting for that and Martin 871 00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:11,219 get on the stick boy. 872 00:55:12,389 --> 00:55:15,179 Yeah, it sounds like it sounds like you're good to go. 873 00:55:16,770 --> 00:55:20,370 I don't want to tell you what to do. Yeah, my guess my only 874 00:55:20,370 --> 00:55:21,390 concern is 875 00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:27,870 if I do the whole web torrent thing, and I decoded, like how 876 00:55:27,900 --> 00:55:31,830 my different audio engines would handle it, like in iOS and 877 00:55:31,830 --> 00:55:36,000 Android and, and a web, but no, yes, that's just a problem 878 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,250 waiting to be sold. I mean, yeah. 879 00:55:39,390 --> 00:55:43,710 It's interesting, because I have the I use the APK on graphene, 880 00:55:46,140 --> 00:55:50,100 which has solved all of the audio playback playback problems 881 00:55:50,100 --> 00:55:53,580 that were happening. But of course, it doesn't do video. So 882 00:55:53,580 --> 00:55:57,360 for me, I just, I just hit the the web version. It's like, Man 883 00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,270 make make that work for me. And I'd be happy right off the bat. 884 00:56:00,810 --> 00:56:06,360 I mean, the, the beauty of, of YouTube was not just 885 00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:12,960 the encoding and the storage and the immediate playback time. And 886 00:56:12,990 --> 00:56:14,640 and that was a thing back in the day. 887 00:56:16,980 --> 00:56:19,680 But it's also the fact that you just hit a browser, boom, done. 888 00:56:20,250 --> 00:56:23,040 Now, of course, lots of people use the YouTube app. But, 889 00:56:24,180 --> 00:56:27,480 man, I mean, the fact that I can say, here's the link, click on 890 00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:31,500 this link, and it it brings up this player that just starts 891 00:56:31,500 --> 00:56:35,580 playing that's a very YouTube like experience. Yeah, I can, I 892 00:56:35,580 --> 00:56:38,910 can definitely tell that the most of the pot friend, user 893 00:56:38,910 --> 00:56:42,210 growth is coming from people sharing links to pot friend 894 00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:44,520 like, Hey, listen to this episode, or something like it's 895 00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:48,870 a really, really great way of, like, viral growth. So that's, 896 00:56:48,900 --> 00:56:52,650 that's really great. But then, yes, and of course, you 897 00:56:52,650 --> 00:56:56,610 pioneered the question mark, t equals number of seconds. I 898 00:56:56,610 --> 00:56:58,530 heard that. I heard that on pop news. 899 00:56:59,910 --> 00:57:02,340 It's a standard. It's a standard. I've never seen it 900 00:57:02,340 --> 00:57:02,940 before. 901 00:57:04,620 --> 00:57:06,480 I don't think I can take credit for that. 902 00:57:07,980 --> 00:57:12,780 YouTube's been doing it for a while, actually. Yeah. And but 903 00:57:12,780 --> 00:57:13,380 actually, 904 00:57:14,460 --> 00:57:17,940 I can't remember who on the podcast index that social said 905 00:57:17,940 --> 00:57:23,220 it. But I was having troubles jumping to a specific second in 906 00:57:23,220 --> 00:57:25,950 the in the podcast, because the older browsers did it a bit 907 00:57:25,950 --> 00:57:29,880 different than someone just said, Oh, just add hashtag t 908 00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:36,300 equals something after the auto URL, and I'm like, No, that's 909 00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,680 like that. And then why didn't you like that? 910 00:57:42,030 --> 00:57:44,610 Well, I didn't think it would work. Oh, really? 911 00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,800 I didn't think the process would understand the hashtag, aka 912 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,260 audio URL. Okay. 913 00:57:53,610 --> 00:57:58,290 And then and then, then I tried it, like in the audio tech in 914 00:57:58,290 --> 00:58:02,100 the middle, and then just word just works. Yeah. That's great. 915 00:58:02,340 --> 00:58:05,970 I spend days working on that boss. Yeah. 916 00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:08,790 Very cool. 917 00:58:10,170 --> 00:58:14,940 Oh, it's Yeah. It sounds to me like, well, we may need to do is 918 00:58:14,940 --> 00:58:20,040 just finalize this tag. I mean, there's Yeah, there's been no 919 00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,100 input on it whatsoever. Except for me and Alex. I mean, 920 00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,670 basically, the only ones do. And I've said this, you know, I said 921 00:58:26,670 --> 00:58:32,400 this before, I don't mind putting in a tag that maybe 922 00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:37,710 nobody thinks they need. Because eventually, it may be three 923 00:58:37,710 --> 00:58:42,060 months, six months, a year from now. Somebody says, Oh, well, 924 00:58:42,090 --> 00:58:46,950 okay, this tag exists, I can use this and they, like, I don't, I 925 00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:51,480 don't want lack of feed. if, if, if I don't want lack of 926 00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:55,020 feedback, keep something from moving forward. You have nobody 927 00:58:55,020 --> 00:58:58,560 thinks they need it, then, and me and Alex are the only ones 928 00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:02,250 that seem to care. Well, then. We care. We think it's good. 929 00:59:02,430 --> 00:59:06,000 Well, there's, there's a whole industry of very poor 930 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:11,400 documentarians who care. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I mean, I'm also 931 00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,580 happy to, you know, implemented in part for and also, like, I 932 00:59:14,580 --> 00:59:18,390 think there's a lot of other players like that, you know, 933 00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:22,170 they have to see working, like somewhere else, because before 934 00:59:22,170 --> 00:59:26,130 they will even bother, because, you know, yeah, you're right. 935 00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:30,390 Maybe you can release, you know, see how, like how it would work 936 00:59:30,390 --> 00:59:32,460 in your own app, and then see it working somewhere else, like, 937 00:59:32,490 --> 00:59:35,040 Oh, yeah, and that would be I would hope that other developers 938 00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,640 who want to implement this, and they likely will they also 939 00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:43,440 consider doing value for value, otherwise, it kind of ruins the 940 00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:49,380 idea. Huh? What Yeah, one thing I do think of though, is like, 941 00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,460 it's easy enough to do the whole web store and on desktop. 942 00:59:54,690 --> 00:59:58,440 But I wonder what it means for like mobile phone battery life 943 00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:59,970 to do the whole torrent 944 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:00,360 thing. 945 01:00:01,650 --> 01:00:06,120 Like, yeah, yeah. So Martin, the the ptmp Media loader library 946 01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:09,540 has integration with like a STUN server and so forth. 947 01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,960 Which, you know, helps with announcer and tracking and so 948 01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,680 forth. And you don't have to do uploads. You could do it only 949 01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:17,310 for media. 950 01:00:18,779 --> 01:00:21,179 Well, then it's basically not not much more work than just 951 01:00:21,179 --> 01:00:22,319 HTTP at that point. 952 01:00:24,510 --> 01:00:28,170 No, then I guess the main point is that it would download like, 953 01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:32,790 a much lower resolution than, than, like the default, and that 954 01:00:32,790 --> 01:00:34,260 would help out as well. 955 01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:42,750 Yeah. Yeah. I'm so sorry. Like, no agenda has the low bandwidth 956 01:00:42,810 --> 01:00:46,110 paid on that's like a dividend encoding? 957 01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:50,550 I think it's openness. Right. The light fee? Yes, it is. 958 01:00:51,570 --> 01:00:54,450 I don't I don't maintain that. No, I have no idea where that 959 01:00:54,450 --> 01:00:55,140 comes from. 960 01:00:56,310 --> 01:00:59,640 Yeah, but I mean, that could be the same feed. There's, there's 961 01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:00,600 also a torrent, 962 01:01:01,770 --> 01:01:04,710 somewhere out there to get baked every show. 963 01:01:07,050 --> 01:01:11,550 That might be Andy valance. Andy Valencia? I don't know. I mean, 964 01:01:11,550 --> 01:01:14,070 there's so many things. I mean, people used to do this all the 965 01:01:14,070 --> 01:01:17,460 time, kind of, you know, the argument for people in countries 966 01:01:19,110 --> 01:01:23,940 that pay a lot for bandwidth. That was very, very big in the 967 01:01:23,940 --> 01:01:28,200 beginning, have no agenda. So you know, 12 1314 years ago? 968 01:01:29,490 --> 01:01:32,160 You know, the number one country was who was crying about it? 969 01:01:32,910 --> 01:01:36,360 Australia? Yeah, Australia. Yeah. 970 01:01:37,770 --> 01:01:41,010 And then the hosting companies have, you know, heard from them 971 01:01:41,010 --> 01:01:44,340 that they don't, I mean, they really care about, I guess most 972 01:01:44,340 --> 01:01:47,100 of their customer base is us. I'm not sure exactly why, but 973 01:01:47,100 --> 01:01:49,680 they don't really care about the low bandwidth aspect of it. 974 01:01:50,790 --> 01:01:54,240 But, but as that's, again, probably a function of the fact 975 01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:57,810 that they just don't do video. Right. And so, you know, for if, 976 01:01:57,900 --> 01:02:04,770 if we want video podcasting to be a, you know, a viable thing. 977 01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:12,000 Lot going forward, and then they even possible in in low 978 01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,080 bandwidth countries. 979 01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:19,500 I think, I think we really need this. I think I think it's right 980 01:02:19,500 --> 01:02:20,040 now. 981 01:02:21,870 --> 01:02:26,490 In the world that we live in? Yes. Yes. Now, It'll take a 982 01:02:26,490 --> 01:02:29,610 while. I think this is a very interesting proof of concept. 983 01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:32,910 And I like it, I like it with long form. 984 01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:39,750 It, you know, and quality content, so you can really plant 985 01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:42,480 a flag in the sand and say, Look, this is you know, we're 986 01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:46,500 serious here. And, and eventually everyone all show up. 987 01:02:46,500 --> 01:02:48,990 And you know, maybe someone will build a tool that looks like, 988 01:02:49,020 --> 01:02:51,600 Oh, I'm creating a YouTube video. Hi, guys, you know, and 989 01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:55,020 then and then we'll have all that influx. But for now, it 990 01:02:55,020 --> 01:02:57,900 kind of it doesn't it pretends to be something a little more 991 01:02:59,970 --> 01:03:00,660 upscale. 992 01:03:01,980 --> 01:03:06,030 The way the way it's working right now within a tube when and 993 01:03:06,030 --> 01:03:09,120 if nobody understands what we're talking about. So let me just 994 01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,480 tell you, you don't understand and they've checked out a long 995 01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:13,830 time ago. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. 996 01:03:16,890 --> 01:03:21,060 But for my benefit, please. Yes. This will be the sound bite, 997 01:03:21,090 --> 01:03:22,920 then this will be the sound bite the sucker man. 998 01:03:23,940 --> 01:03:28,440 The clue we're talking about is taken to get video like animated 999 01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:33,690 no agenda, the name Jennifer does. And she posts that video, 1000 01:03:34,170 --> 01:03:40,620 too, in a tube. And then in her in her feed in her RSS feed. 1001 01:03:41,130 --> 01:03:43,980 Obviously, the videos delivered, but then there's a value block 1002 01:03:43,980 --> 01:03:49,920 in there that specifies her. And in a tube and Alex, which I 1003 01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,620 think is already working isn't an Alex isn't that exactly what 1004 01:03:52,620 --> 01:03:57,870 happens now? Yeah, I get 5% so it's a small file. So it's not 1005 01:03:57,870 --> 01:04:01,950 that much but it's nice to have. It's nice to see into in a tube 1006 01:04:02,190 --> 01:04:06,660 creates the RSS feed correct? Correct. Now man, you got a 1007 01:04:06,660 --> 01:04:09,360 whole system right there. You don't need anything else your 1008 01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:11,550 hosting company just need Alex is 1009 01:04:12,660 --> 01:04:15,300 your documentary as your documentary company. Your 1010 01:04:15,300 --> 01:04:19,320 documentary company sets up your peer tube with all the with your 1011 01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:23,580 special hacks in there with the in a tube forks and they start 1012 01:04:23,580 --> 01:04:27,300 getting the whatever percentage I want one. 1013 01:04:28,860 --> 01:04:30,810 I want to be the documentary company. 1014 01:04:31,950 --> 01:04:35,040 What documentary would you do if you did it? No. I just want to 1015 01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,320 have them on on my server. Okay. 1016 01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,710 I just want to see when people access I just want to see them 1017 01:04:40,710 --> 01:04:41,460 enjoying it. 1018 01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:46,200 Then Yeah, I mean, that's that's the way that works. And it works 1019 01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:50,610 already. I mean, it's, it's really cool. So really the only 1020 01:04:50,610 --> 01:04:54,870 thing we're looking for is the alternate tag. And then and I'm 1021 01:04:54,870 --> 01:04:56,160 saying only 1022 01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,970 in my with my developer hat on and 1023 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:00,750 The 1024 01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:07,950 the web torrent stuff on on the pod friend and is that correct? 1025 01:05:09,510 --> 01:05:12,660 I don't even think torrent, right. I mean, the web, web 1026 01:05:12,660 --> 01:05:18,030 torrent is different than just the HLS bitrate stuff. Okay, but 1027 01:05:18,030 --> 01:05:21,540 I could set up a web tour I could I want to help. So I can 1028 01:05:21,540 --> 01:05:26,010 set up a peer tube instance that would just be mirroring and 1029 01:05:26,010 --> 01:05:27,450 sharing in the load. 1030 01:05:29,850 --> 01:05:34,200 Yeah, I should explain why this confusion here. The original 1031 01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:37,230 version of peer tube did just do what torn and reduce surface 1032 01:05:37,230 --> 01:05:40,200 those files. But they're transitioning, like the 1033 01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:43,020 deprecating that for the new HLS version. So 1034 01:05:45,060 --> 01:05:48,420 yeah, you would just end up appear to instance, and follow 1035 01:05:48,420 --> 01:05:52,620 us for redundancy. All right. Well, give me pointers. Tell me 1036 01:05:52,620 --> 01:05:55,470 when Tell me and can I do it now that would have to wait until 1037 01:05:55,470 --> 01:05:58,650 you're a little further down the road? Yeah, we could do now. I'm 1038 01:05:58,650 --> 01:06:02,310 not. I'm a consultant. So I didn't really want to be the 1039 01:06:02,310 --> 01:06:05,400 primary video site. So I'm perfectly willing to help people 1040 01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:09,420 set up. I want to finish up some features, but it's all I'm not 1041 01:06:09,420 --> 01:06:15,660 gonna dock retainer. So good to go. Just a Docker. But just just 1042 01:06:15,660 --> 01:06:16,950 the Docker, the Docker. 1043 01:06:18,570 --> 01:06:21,360 Who's the guy that has set up exactly three Dockers and is 1044 01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,600 happy. Yeah, that would be me. I haven't run into the shit yet. 1045 01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:28,830 Obviously. This thing's working. Adam, you can't run on raspberry 1046 01:06:28,830 --> 01:06:29,040 pi. 1047 01:06:31,530 --> 01:06:35,460 So does any of the larger podcast host actually support 1048 01:06:35,460 --> 01:06:37,590 video? I know, blueberry does because 1049 01:06:39,570 --> 01:06:44,430 they support video? I think so. Because I mean talks. He has his 1050 01:06:44,430 --> 01:06:47,370 own video version of the shows. Right? That's right. 1051 01:06:48,450 --> 01:06:53,250 And I seem to remember like having a quick talk on Twitter, 1052 01:06:53,370 --> 01:06:55,680 biggest Twitter thread where he said they've been supporting it 1053 01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:58,650 a long time. But I I bet those companies that do support it, 1054 01:06:58,650 --> 01:07:01,710 they hide it behind like some advanced tab or something No, 1055 01:07:01,740 --> 01:07:05,220 no, no, that no, I I remember now because I set up my 1056 01:07:05,250 --> 01:07:08,610 stepdaughter on blueberry, now that they support the format. 1057 01:07:08,940 --> 01:07:12,840 But if you want to, you're going to be wind up paying a lot more 1058 01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:15,420 than your standard fee per month, because you need more, 1059 01:07:15,780 --> 01:07:18,660 instead of saying hey, it's really expensive to transfer 1060 01:07:18,660 --> 01:07:22,560 that bandwidth wise, they limit you by saying even have so many 1061 01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:27,150 gigabytes storage. So either you're swapping out your shows, 1062 01:07:27,540 --> 01:07:32,190 or you're paying significantly more than than sticker price, 1063 01:07:32,430 --> 01:07:36,450 which is logical Of course, I doubt they, they re encode it 1064 01:07:36,450 --> 01:07:40,170 too. So if you put in you know a string, no, it's a straight mp4 1065 01:07:40,170 --> 01:07:42,330 or whatever you put up there now it's straight out they don't do 1066 01:07:42,330 --> 01:07:44,520 I don't think they do any of that. I don't think which is, 1067 01:07:44,910 --> 01:07:47,130 which is common in the auto world. Like I know all your 1068 01:07:47,130 --> 01:07:49,920 audio guys don't want re encoding. But in the video world 1069 01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:50,610 you have to 1070 01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:56,970 one thing that could be interesting is to like now that 1071 01:07:56,970 --> 01:07:59,340 we'll have the documentary, it could be cool with some, you 1072 01:07:59,340 --> 01:08:02,730 know, some more trailblazers and could be interesting with a few 1073 01:08:02,730 --> 01:08:07,620 podcasting 2.0 shows in video, maybe a no agenda, episode in 1074 01:08:07,620 --> 01:08:11,160 video. Yeah, that's that's never gonna happen. No, 1075 01:08:12,270 --> 01:08:16,500 no, no, I don't like it. But I but I certainly know who we can 1076 01:08:16,500 --> 01:08:18,960 bring in. I mean, the first person, the first people I'd 1077 01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:22,200 want in would be Max and Stacy just because it's Max and Stacy. 1078 01:08:22,620 --> 01:08:26,550 And, and you know, and they are all wired up. They've got to 1079 01:08:26,550 --> 01:08:30,210 know they got value blocks, they know how it works. They love 1080 01:08:30,210 --> 01:08:32,880 video, then they love video. That's that's a big draw for 1081 01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:36,660 them. And if we said, Hey, come over here. And and of course 1082 01:08:36,690 --> 01:08:39,960 they do the show live. So why wouldn't we 1083 01:08:40,980 --> 01:08:46,650 implement our live trigger, and people could get notified and 1084 01:08:46,650 --> 01:08:49,560 watch it live or watch it later? Hmm. 1085 01:08:50,940 --> 01:08:55,710 So yeah, so what about a, like, just a live audio version of for 1086 01:08:55,710 --> 01:08:58,350 example? Well, I guess you already have no agenda, but 1087 01:08:58,350 --> 01:09:02,670 could also be interesting with podcasting. 2.0. And because 1088 01:09:02,700 --> 01:09:06,330 they would just give so much incentive to write like, the 1089 01:09:06,330 --> 01:09:10,380 chat functionality and stuff because it would be like, yeah, 1090 01:09:10,440 --> 01:09:13,380 you know, communicating while the show is live. Well, Totally. 1091 01:09:13,620 --> 01:09:16,080 Totally. I mean, first of all, we could do this show live too. 1092 01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:18,840 I mean, we do it live to recording so that would be fine. 1093 01:09:20,100 --> 01:09:24,780 No agenda no problem at all. We have the live stream I can I 1094 01:09:24,780 --> 01:09:27,570 have total control. I can flip it on right now. It interrupts 1095 01:09:27,570 --> 01:09:30,600 whatever's going on. I just need a signaling mechanism 1096 01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:36,570 then you know, so whatever that that some blockchain paying or 1097 01:09:36,570 --> 01:09:40,320 something and then then everyone would know Yeah, hey, I'm your 1098 01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:43,230 bitch over here. You just tell me what you want. I'll I'll get 1099 01:09:43,230 --> 01:09:43,710 it done. 1100 01:09:44,790 --> 01:09:47,700 Yeah, I think stuff like that. It could be fun. Also, just to 1101 01:09:47,700 --> 01:09:51,360 experiment, like before we finalize the live tag, and let's 1102 01:09:51,390 --> 01:09:55,440 try it out or something and see, you know, see if it works. 1103 01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:59,970 Yeah, because like, as long as we 1104 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:04,650 So a few podcast players that implemented like right away, 1105 01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:09,480 then there's room to change this back. Like, if we find out, it's 1106 01:10:09,480 --> 01:10:13,140 not quite working this way, then we can, yeah, pretty fast. But 1107 01:10:13,140 --> 01:10:15,450 then that's what that's what's so beautiful. That's why when 1108 01:10:15,450 --> 01:10:18,690 you have the content, and you have all the other players at 1109 01:10:18,690 --> 01:10:22,680 the table, that's where we get to party, man. So, absolutely. 1110 01:10:22,860 --> 01:10:27,600 And whatever command line thing I need to hit, I'll do it, 1111 01:10:27,630 --> 01:10:31,050 whatever you need. Absolutely. I'm very excited about that. So 1112 01:10:31,050 --> 01:10:34,860 it sounds like it sounds like we can just formula or, you know, 1113 01:10:34,860 --> 01:10:38,220 finalize the alternate enclosure tag, and then on this on the 1114 01:10:38,220 --> 01:10:42,480 live stuff, you know what that that'll, we'll have to think 1115 01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:44,100 about that? That's, that's a different. 1116 01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:48,300 That's a whole different ballgame. Yeah, yeah. Here's 1117 01:10:48,300 --> 01:10:51,150 what's on my head, I'm an ultimate closure, I think it's 1118 01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,770 stable enough. So I'm not open to change. And then 1119 01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:00,810 live, once we have pod ping working, I want to work on an 1120 01:11:01,110 --> 01:11:05,280 example or a version of live. That's gonna work a peer tube. 1121 01:11:05,850 --> 01:11:08,970 And there's some philosophical arguments here that we've had 1122 01:11:08,970 --> 01:11:13,530 with some of the audio video guys versus video show guys. 1123 01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:18,690 where, you know, a peer to peer tuber YouTube videos, often one 1124 01:11:18,690 --> 01:11:23,460 live item and not just a live radio stream. So I've been 1125 01:11:23,460 --> 01:11:25,830 thinking a lot about that. And I think it was worked out. 1126 01:11:27,450 --> 01:11:30,000 And the last thing I'm thinking about is the format that we've 1127 01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:33,120 gone back and forth on. Yeah, I'm on board with the format 1128 01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:37,110 tag. I'm good with it. Yeah, that would be a way to say, hey, 1129 01:11:37,110 --> 01:11:40,380 gentlemen, hold on a second. Are you crazy? I can't believe it. 1130 01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:42,540 No. Time. First time. 1131 01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:47,730 namespace timing, we're almost done with the hot namespace 1132 01:11:47,730 --> 01:11:50,910 talk. But okay, I'm sorry for interrupting, I'd have to keep 1133 01:11:50,910 --> 01:11:52,020 to the rules of the board. 1134 01:11:53,340 --> 01:11:53,640 That's 1135 01:11:58,830 --> 01:12:00,660 a second. Second, the motion. 1136 01:12:02,790 --> 01:12:05,370 So So Martin was talking about a way to 1137 01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:10,110 make videos stand out. And the way to do that, especially when 1138 01:12:10,110 --> 01:12:14,490 you have more than one enclosure with ultra enclosure, is to tell 1139 01:12:14,490 --> 01:12:19,050 them, like, give it a format and tell them it's a video, I think 1140 01:12:19,050 --> 01:12:21,450 that's gonna be the easiest way, it's simple. It's gonna make it 1141 01:12:21,450 --> 01:12:26,340 search search easier. You could do it for different music, you 1142 01:12:26,340 --> 01:12:30,300 know, say, you want to separate user experience from music. 1143 01:12:31,620 --> 01:12:35,520 Tell the podcast player, this is music, you do for audiobooks. 1144 01:12:36,480 --> 01:12:39,750 See that? That's the that's the only 1145 01:12:41,130 --> 01:12:44,580 I like the format tag. And I'm, I'm totally on board with it. 1146 01:12:44,910 --> 01:12:48,240 But that's the only thing that is slightly confusing to it, is 1147 01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:52,560 because you, you basically have video, and then you have like 1148 01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:57,060 five different forms of audio. And it doesn't. So I get a 1149 01:12:57,060 --> 01:13:00,030 little confused. When I'm thinking it's like, okay, one of 1150 01:13:00,030 --> 01:13:04,410 the format is video. And the other one is music, audio book, 1151 01:13:04,860 --> 01:13:08,670 two, you know, wanting to work on these. So I'm wondering, 1152 01:13:08,940 --> 01:13:15,690 like, what if, instead of sort of that layout, instead, we have 1153 01:13:16,260 --> 01:13:19,560 certain category, you know, like a list of categories, 1154 01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:20,700 documentary, 1155 01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:25,380 you know, cinema, blah, blah, blah, I don't know, I'm just 1156 01:13:25,380 --> 01:13:28,170 making stuff up. You have these list of categories, audio books. 1157 01:13:28,740 --> 01:13:32,100 And then and then you just didn't you know that this 1158 01:13:32,100 --> 01:13:36,630 category describes video, this one describes it audio, I would 1159 01:13:36,630 --> 01:13:39,840 have maybe actually go different way and say like, we already 1160 01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,870 have categories, like let's say true crime or 1161 01:13:44,100 --> 01:13:48,810 cooking. And then I just want like, is it audio? Or is it 1162 01:13:48,810 --> 01:13:54,090 video? Or is it mixed? Like, and then I would surface it in the 1163 01:13:54,090 --> 01:13:57,900 search of boyfriend like, because I think that there's a 1164 01:13:57,900 --> 01:14:02,520 big difference. If you want to search for like video or audio, 1165 01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:06,270 like if I'm out running in the forest, I only want audio, but 1166 01:14:06,270 --> 01:14:09,030 if I'm sitting at home, you know, then maybe I want video 1167 01:14:09,030 --> 01:14:09,540 instead. 1168 01:14:11,010 --> 01:14:11,820 But I 1169 01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:15,630 I don't think that you know, for example, let's say true prime or 1170 01:14:15,630 --> 01:14:18,630 cooking isn't necessarily one or the other. 1171 01:14:19,650 --> 01:14:24,090 I find that very interesting, Martin, because cooking, I think 1172 01:14:24,090 --> 01:14:28,950 there are certain elements of the way a way a cooking the way 1173 01:14:28,950 --> 01:14:35,460 cooking content would perhaps function in the whole namespace 1174 01:14:35,460 --> 01:14:38,760 realm than a documentary and let me see if I can explain to 1175 01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:42,000 cooking has a video, but it also has 1176 01:14:43,350 --> 01:14:49,410 a recipe. Now there may be interesting ways to use chapters 1177 01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:54,090 for that, or maybe even transcripts for all I know. I 1178 01:14:54,090 --> 01:14:56,490 can certainly come up with some ideas, you know transcript I can 1179 01:14:56,490 --> 01:14:59,970 set the resolution differently so that it'll show 1180 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,460 10 lines instead of two. And so if I was to, if I'm, 1181 01:15:07,290 --> 01:15:10,710 if I'm doing a cooking video, and you know, and I said, Here 1182 01:15:10,710 --> 01:15:13,620 are the ingredients you need for this and it pops up underneath 1183 01:15:14,550 --> 01:15:17,340 with 10 lines, I mean, there's just all these different things 1184 01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:20,940 that may be used a little bit differently, versus when So 1185 01:15:20,940 --> 01:15:25,380 actually, I'm agreeing with your idea, documentary, there'll be 1186 01:15:25,380 --> 01:15:28,560 some other things that you might expect 1187 01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:33,750 in a video version, and that may even just having that tag 1188 01:15:33,780 --> 01:15:39,420 documentary, file type equals video may prompt the pod friend 1189 01:15:39,420 --> 01:15:39,990 to 1190 01:15:41,010 --> 01:15:44,340 open up a different, you know, interface or whatever, you know, 1191 01:15:44,340 --> 01:15:46,830 I can just see all these different use cases. 1192 01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:51,420 Whereas just saying, you know, it's what even movie you know, 1193 01:15:51,420 --> 01:15:55,200 okay, so alright, letterbox. I want to make sure you know, if 1194 01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:56,910 you can override make sure that 1195 01:15:58,860 --> 01:16:02,340 that the if it's subtitles that it shows it in the appropriate 1196 01:16:02,340 --> 01:16:04,320 spot, I mean, there's just all these different things I can 1197 01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:09,390 think of based upon those categories of content. Hmm, a 1198 01:16:09,390 --> 01:16:11,460 walking tour might pop up a map. 1199 01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:19,440 Yeah, that doesn't include genres. That's what the 1200 01:16:19,440 --> 01:16:20,520 categories are for. Right? 1201 01:16:21,630 --> 01:16:28,200 Yeah, so it's basically format, could just be audio video other 1202 01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:32,190 or something like that? Is that fair enough? Because you could 1203 01:16:32,190 --> 01:16:33,900 have audio book. 1204 01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:38,430 I mean, you know, book category, but an audio format. 1205 01:16:39,510 --> 01:16:44,370 Or you could have true crime, video. z. So you're sort of, you 1206 01:16:44,370 --> 01:16:47,940 know, mixing, mixing, you're, you're pulling, you're pulling 1207 01:16:47,940 --> 01:16:51,210 the category list that then you're also merging it, you 1208 01:16:51,210 --> 01:16:55,710 know, with, with the format, saying I want this format of 1209 01:16:55,710 --> 01:16:56,730 this category? 1210 01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,630 Or does that or does that break your idea for what format was 1211 01:17:00,630 --> 01:17:02,010 supposed to be? Alex? 1212 01:17:03,270 --> 01:17:07,680 I can see a few different arguments for it. So what is the 1213 01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:12,570 user experience argument? Right. But that could work with the 1214 01:17:12,570 --> 01:17:16,500 category too, but we need freeform categories, right? or? 1215 01:17:16,530 --> 01:17:20,580 Yeah, we just need categories in general in the in the namespace. 1216 01:17:21,030 --> 01:17:26,820 Right? The other argument is a format for a specific set of 1217 01:17:27,780 --> 01:17:30,150 expected features in the item. 1218 01:17:31,350 --> 01:17:33,480 So for audio tours, it might be 1219 01:17:34,500 --> 01:17:38,730 it's an audio that has a location chapters. 1220 01:17:40,350 --> 01:17:40,680 Okay. 1221 01:17:42,330 --> 01:17:44,370 Yeah, I think we're gonna have 1222 01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,390 this one, this one keeps tripping me up every time 1223 01:17:48,390 --> 01:17:51,990 because of this. Because if you have, if you have a format of 1224 01:17:52,650 --> 01:17:53,820 video, 1225 01:17:54,900 --> 01:17:58,080 that makes sense. But then if you have a format of 1226 01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:03,810 what, you know, tour walking tour, like, what is a video or 1227 01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:08,250 an audio? You don't know, you know? So, um, I think I think 1228 01:18:08,250 --> 01:18:13,800 it's hard to avoid some sort of merge with the categories. What, 1229 01:18:13,830 --> 01:18:19,200 what if we, instead of trying to define like, it's a walking 1230 01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:23,220 tour, it's video, like instead said, like, have a kind of 1231 01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:27,420 format support tag where you said, I'd support video, IT 1232 01:18:27,420 --> 01:18:32,370 support the audio, it supports virtual reality, or whatever. 1233 01:18:32,970 --> 01:18:36,420 And it supports location chapters, like if it's a walking 1234 01:18:36,420 --> 01:18:40,830 to something where you instead said, like, This podcast is 1235 01:18:40,830 --> 01:18:45,870 using these things. And then the podcaster could say, okay, 1236 01:18:45,870 --> 01:18:47,880 there's an audio version, and there's a video version. And 1237 01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,130 there's a, well, actually, 1238 01:18:51,180 --> 01:18:55,110 it's a tough problem to solve. Well, that that's, that's 1239 01:18:55,140 --> 01:18:57,600 alternate enclosure Anyway, you can have more you can have, you 1240 01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:01,380 know, audio video and have all that in there. And so it's sort 1241 01:19:01,380 --> 01:19:04,590 of like, I think what you're envisioning, Martin is sort of 1242 01:19:04,590 --> 01:19:10,320 like a content, a content excepted editor, so I can take 1243 01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:13,590 these Yeah, exactly. The things. That was what I was thinking, 1244 01:19:13,590 --> 01:19:18,750 but maybe like, when it tried to define like, what is the best, 1245 01:19:19,260 --> 01:19:23,640 like, experience defined for this podcast is a video that we 1246 01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:27,900 want, and then you know, let's say, you know, a blind person 1247 01:19:27,930 --> 01:19:31,350 downloads it like okay, then there's an audio fallback, or? 1248 01:19:32,700 --> 01:19:37,410 Yeah, no, no, blind people are just not allowed to use it. I'm 1249 01:19:37,410 --> 01:19:37,830 banning. 1250 01:19:41,610 --> 01:19:46,080 Makes it too complicated. Yeah, I think we actually changed 1251 01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:49,140 blind people's worlds 18 years ago. 1252 01:19:50,670 --> 01:19:53,880 Probably. I agree with that. I've I've got the receipts 1253 01:19:54,420 --> 01:19:56,280 together. Got the receipts. Yeah. 1254 01:19:57,570 --> 01:19:58,410 Okay, so 1255 01:19:59,550 --> 01:19:59,970 do we need 1256 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,080 To do we have Can we leave it at this? Do we have any other 1257 01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:06,630 things to hash out? It seems like it's we're not quite 1258 01:20:06,630 --> 01:20:10,380 resolved at everyone goes back to their respective caves. I 1259 01:20:10,380 --> 01:20:12,330 mean, I mean, I say, go ahead, Martin. 1260 01:20:13,410 --> 01:20:16,020 Well, I've been trying to work in the joke that I have a face 1261 01:20:16,020 --> 01:20:19,020 made for audio podcasting during the whole thing, but it didn't 1262 01:20:19,020 --> 01:20:23,190 really succeed. He just did it. He just he just lost that went 1263 01:20:23,190 --> 01:20:24,150 to the moon Martin. Good job. 1264 01:20:25,470 --> 01:20:26,520 brute force that you're 1265 01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:30,930 nothing wrong with it that you can. 1266 01:20:32,010 --> 01:20:36,990 Okay, can we get in the That's amazing. Now does it is amazing. 1267 01:20:37,020 --> 01:20:40,110 Yeah, of course. Okay, I had to get. 1268 01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:45,780 I thought the whole, like otter clip was the that's a dramatic 1269 01:20:45,780 --> 01:20:46,410 question. 1270 01:20:48,210 --> 01:20:49,710 from Alex. Oh, 1271 01:20:52,110 --> 01:20:55,170 yes, that is the clip for sure. Yeah. If I could actually create 1272 01:20:55,170 --> 01:20:57,360 an RSS feed with that in there, I would do it. 1273 01:20:58,500 --> 01:21:02,970 But this is your weekly reminder that I'm still awaiting Casta 1274 01:21:02,970 --> 01:21:07,830 pod to be able to use every single tag in the namespace 1275 01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:11,700 event. I see you say it in French. Oh, 1276 01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:19,680 Moshe Bellamy, bellami, Benjamin's a shoo in period cast 1277 01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:20,370 apart. 1278 01:21:22,020 --> 01:21:24,840 I'll take your word for it. It was horrible. 1279 01:21:27,810 --> 01:21:31,830 What I'm taking away is that my I think we go ahead and finalize 1280 01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:35,790 the alternative closure tag as the start, because it's already 1281 01:21:35,790 --> 01:21:36,450 in use. 1282 01:21:37,770 --> 01:21:42,210 And then we just make that thing, go 1283 01:21:43,230 --> 01:21:47,190 and then live. And then we'll we'll battle out the format tag 1284 01:21:47,190 --> 01:21:50,340 and try to figure out what to do about that. But I mean, I think 1285 01:21:50,340 --> 01:21:53,460 alternate enclosures is this is step one, that's what we need to 1286 01:21:53,460 --> 01:21:55,860 begin with. Is that do we have a quorum? 1287 01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:01,950 Yes, yes. A second. Yes. Okay, wait a second. And we're good to 1288 01:22:01,950 --> 01:22:07,500 go. Excellent. Excellent. Um, we, we want to this and they 1289 01:22:07,500 --> 01:22:09,780 won't, thanks. Yeah, we do want to thank a few people, this is a 1290 01:22:09,780 --> 01:22:13,530 value for value proposition, the whole project everything is 1291 01:22:13,530 --> 01:22:18,420 value for value. And to repeat our mission statement to 1292 01:22:18,420 --> 01:22:21,570 preserve podcasting as a platform for free speech. That's 1293 01:22:21,570 --> 01:22:24,450 a lot of what this is a lot of what pod ping is about, as well. 1294 01:22:24,450 --> 01:22:28,440 And of course, the entire index and how we propagate that out 1295 01:22:28,440 --> 01:22:33,150 and, and, and make copies available. And it's, I see the 1296 01:22:33,150 --> 01:22:35,580 emails, a lot of people get a lot of benefit from it, 1297 01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:40,020 just from the database, the index itself, but also we are 1298 01:22:40,020 --> 01:22:43,980 retooling as a platform of value so that people like Alex and 1299 01:22:43,980 --> 01:22:47,730 Martin and David, and myself and Eric and everyone who's 1300 01:22:47,730 --> 01:22:51,330 developing, have a shot at something dropping out of the 1301 01:22:51,330 --> 01:22:55,170 other end of this, if we all work together and, and push hard 1302 01:22:55,170 --> 01:22:57,690 enough. And I think we're well on our way, just looking at the 1303 01:22:57,690 --> 01:23:00,840 transactions per month, which continue to increase with the 1304 01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:05,310 value for value payments. Now, that said, for this show, and 1305 01:23:05,310 --> 01:23:09,270 for the entire the entire project, we love to solicit the 1306 01:23:09,270 --> 01:23:12,570 caique bucks, you can go to podcast index.org the bottom 1307 01:23:12,570 --> 01:23:16,350 there's a big red Donate button. We really appreciate using 1308 01:23:16,350 --> 01:23:20,700 PayPal for as long as we can as long as we have to in order to 1309 01:23:20,940 --> 01:23:23,550 keep the servers and everything running. And Dave, who do we 1310 01:23:23,550 --> 01:23:25,950 think today? I think we have a lot of monthlies again that came 1311 01:23:25,950 --> 01:23:29,700 in and that list still updated. Oh, we get Oh, this is a great 1312 01:23:29,730 --> 01:23:33,780 great week the said pups add puppy did it right. Sad. Puppy 1313 01:23:33,780 --> 01:23:36,930 always works. It's beautiful. I mean, it's just absolutely 1314 01:23:36,930 --> 01:23:42,750 beautiful. They right out of the gate, then and Alberto from RSS 1315 01:23:42,780 --> 01:23:48,600 calm gave us $501 Oh, man, thank you so much. Oh, do we need to 1316 01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:50,850 talk about our super duper premiums? 1317 01:23:51,990 --> 01:23:57,420 Or what? What's your superduper reward of the T Yeah, the T 1318 01:23:57,420 --> 01:24:01,290 shirts that clearly drove this this entire week of 1319 01:24:02,310 --> 01:24:06,300 that then Eric promptly went went off off grid and I can't I 1320 01:24:06,300 --> 01:24:08,910 can't find it. We lost him somewhere in Oregon. He's on the 1321 01:24:08,940 --> 01:24:12,870 way from Washington down California. Yeah, the podcasting 1322 01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:16,710 2.0 certified t shirts for every $100 aggregate in support of 1323 01:24:16,710 --> 01:24:21,330 podcasting. 2.0 podcast index.org and we have a list so 1324 01:24:21,330 --> 01:24:26,220 we're maintaining that and and we are going to Bitcoin, the 1325 01:24:26,220 --> 01:24:29,580 Bitcoin conference in Miami. And we'll be bringing a few of 1326 01:24:29,580 --> 01:24:34,710 those, I guess. I hope so. Yeah. But if it's done in time, Eric's 1327 01:24:34,710 --> 01:24:35,430 not dead. Yeah. 1328 01:24:37,050 --> 01:24:43,260 It will. So, if you, if you if you donate 100 100, to to to the 1329 01:24:43,260 --> 01:24:48,180 show, then be sure and tell if you want a T shirt. Tell me what 1330 01:24:48,510 --> 01:24:52,050 size it is. When you in your donation note or email me or 1331 01:24:52,050 --> 01:24:55,140 something. Tell me the size and give me an address. So we you 1332 01:24:55,140 --> 01:24:57,750 know, because we're trying to keep up with these things a day. 1333 01:24:58,200 --> 01:24:59,970 Eric services Yeah, that was gonna say 1334 01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,940 As soon as you can hand that off to Eric, you do not want to be 1335 01:25:02,940 --> 01:25:07,050 maintaining size and addresses. I speak from experience. This is 1336 01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:10,230 this is why we brought Eric in. He knows how this stuff works. 1337 01:25:10,260 --> 01:25:11,670 He knows all of this. 1338 01:25:13,170 --> 01:25:17,370 So Adam, I'm so out of my scope. Oh, yeah. Believe me, believe me 1339 01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:20,580 even that, I'm just saying careful what you solicit. Okay, 1340 01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:22,680 send things and I'll forward them there. 1341 01:25:23,850 --> 01:25:28,290 And, and you guys over at RSS calm. Thank you so much. That is 1342 01:25:28,290 --> 01:25:31,050 so you've been such big support a lot. A lot of the hosting 1343 01:25:31,050 --> 01:25:33,510 companies have been really big supporters. And it's so 1344 01:25:33,510 --> 01:25:37,740 appreciated. And they said, Adam and Dave, if you don't need it 1345 01:25:37,740 --> 01:25:40,950 for servers, perhaps you can add it to your boosters for everyone 1346 01:25:40,950 --> 01:25:43,410 you support through your listening and boost buttons. I 1347 01:25:43,410 --> 01:25:45,900 will say that there is an amount of money that 1348 01:25:47,310 --> 01:25:51,330 I think I'm recharging once a week 20,000 SATs on pod friend. 1349 01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:53,760 I'm about there two. 1350 01:25:54,900 --> 01:26:00,390 Oh, point of personal privilege. That Yes. recognized. Yes. The 1351 01:26:00,390 --> 01:26:03,870 Honorable Mr. Martin, could I request if it's not too hard to 1352 01:26:03,870 --> 01:26:05,250 do? Could you 1353 01:26:07,170 --> 01:26:12,630 change the web app so that it does 550? Like the regular app? 1354 01:26:14,700 --> 01:26:23,850 And it actually does, but if you Yes, but a if you started 1355 01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:28,650 streaming sets back with the old values, then it then it keeps 1356 01:26:28,650 --> 01:26:31,800 those because it was saved in the config and I didn't want to 1357 01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:34,770 just update them. Because if people already got used to them, 1358 01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:37,320 I didn't want it to seem like hey, I just 1359 01:26:39,150 --> 01:26:44,730 okay, I gotcha. All right. So no, I, but I am almost done with 1360 01:26:44,730 --> 01:26:49,260 the custom streaming thing. Yeah, I know. It's just, it's 1361 01:26:49,260 --> 01:26:53,040 just I got to the point where I love the 50 SATs a minute as a 1362 01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:58,170 default, it really feels good. guy does about 3000 3000 an 1363 01:26:58,170 --> 01:27:02,730 hour. But Danny, I was like, I always want to boost any show 1364 01:27:02,730 --> 01:27:04,830 I'm listening to I'm going to hit the boost. Just when I start 1365 01:27:04,830 --> 01:27:07,230 listening to it. I'm like, you know, to a certain point, it's 1366 01:27:07,230 --> 01:27:09,600 like Cridland I just don't want to be paying his rent, you know, 1367 01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:10,230 so I want to go 1368 01:27:12,780 --> 01:27:17,430 Yeah, I found I found a park in the in park friend. Well, I 1369 01:27:17,430 --> 01:27:19,980 guess not a park, but when they're building my friend 1370 01:27:19,980 --> 01:27:23,520 Martin, exactly. feature so I found some features in 1371 01:27:25,590 --> 01:27:29,970 the developing and I developed something called like hot 1372 01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:32,790 reloading where if I changed some code, it just refreshes 1373 01:27:32,820 --> 01:27:36,600 automatically. And then the whole value streaming every time 1374 01:27:36,630 --> 01:27:40,320 it was kind of like doubling up so I was streaming like 2000 1375 01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:41,580 sets a minute. Oh, no. 1376 01:27:43,470 --> 01:27:47,220 No wonder I want to get that shit out of swings. I can't get 1377 01:27:47,220 --> 01:27:47,400 my 1378 01:27:48,510 --> 01:27:49,770 million dollars in there. 1379 01:27:51,180 --> 01:27:52,620 Take it out before they take it back. 1380 01:27:54,630 --> 01:27:58,050 I'm sorry to interrupt Dave. No, sir. No, I found some features 1381 01:27:58,050 --> 01:28:04,380 in in piping this this week too bad especially with zero mq. 1382 01:28:04,380 --> 01:28:04,590 Yeah. 1383 01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:08,640 We Yeah, we love lis love listening and appreciate the 1384 01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:10,620 hard work, thought and consideration you give everyone 1385 01:28:10,620 --> 01:28:13,800 in podcasting. As always, we are in your debt in wish to thank 1386 01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:16,530 you in one of the best ways we know how value for value go 1387 01:28:16,530 --> 01:28:19,200 podcasting. Oh, that's so nice podcast. 1388 01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:29,520 Let's see. Oh, listen notes. 1389 01:28:30,660 --> 01:28:34,680 When Bill Well, I think that's his name and listen notes. He 1390 01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:38,010 gave us $200 and say his message was simple. He just said great 1391 01:28:38,010 --> 01:28:42,000 work. Wow. Yeah, I had a good email exchange with him just 1392 01:28:42,540 --> 01:28:46,710 reached out to him. I felt like when he needed to be in this 1393 01:28:46,710 --> 01:28:49,740 game, and we all need it. You know, he's just he's an 1394 01:28:49,740 --> 01:28:53,130 important part. But listen to us is an important part of the RSS 1395 01:28:53,130 --> 01:28:57,840 of an ecosystem. And a lot of people use this API. And you 1396 01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:00,570 know, so I reached out to him through Albin over at 1397 01:29:00,660 --> 01:29:04,410 buzzsprout. And Kevin, and I get get a set up with an email 1398 01:29:04,410 --> 01:29:07,650 introduction. And I just reached out said, Hey, you know, here's, 1399 01:29:07,890 --> 01:29:10,890 I'll make sure you have our database. And know that you can 1400 01:29:10,890 --> 01:29:14,940 download it. And here's our stats back compiled some hosting 1401 01:29:14,940 --> 01:29:18,510 stats and that kind of thing. And, and he was just really kind 1402 01:29:18,510 --> 01:29:21,360 and said, this is great work. And then he just popped up with 1403 01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:24,090 a donation. It was great. Now is he using? 1404 01:29:25,350 --> 01:29:27,990 Is he What is he using from us? Just the database. 1405 01:29:29,190 --> 01:29:31,260 I'm not, I think he's gonna download he said he's gonna 1406 01:29:31,260 --> 01:29:34,620 download the database and check it out. And because we, we've 1407 01:29:34,620 --> 01:29:37,710 got, you know, a lot more fields than he does, um, we wanted to 1408 01:29:37,710 --> 01:29:41,820 make sure that he had access to all that. And then we're gonna 1409 01:29:41,820 --> 01:29:44,640 work together probably on getting some stats, because his 1410 01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:47,010 stats are significantly different from ours on a few of 1411 01:29:47,010 --> 01:29:50,880 the hosts like blueberry. We're showing like nearly 30,000 for 1412 01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:53,670 blueberry and he's showing like a lot less so what is what is 1413 01:29:53,670 --> 01:29:57,600 listening notes actually do it looks pretty by the way. That's 1414 01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:59,970 it. Yeah. It's it's a search engine and 1415 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,410 For podcasts, podcasts search engine. And then also he runs an 1416 01:30:04,410 --> 01:30:09,150 API as well. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So and i think i think it 1417 01:30:09,150 --> 01:30:12,360 started off where you could take like, you could add notes. We 1418 01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:15,450 could keep notes on with the podcast like take notes as you 1419 01:30:15,450 --> 01:30:19,830 listen. Oh, and he charges for his API, right? Yeah. Okay. 1420 01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:22,500 Martin Won't you using listen notes in the beginning? 1421 01:30:24,090 --> 01:30:29,280 No, I couldn't consider that. I think was it hypercard was loose 1422 01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:30,510 using it? Yeah. 1423 01:30:31,950 --> 01:30:33,900 You're right you're at this David Norman Yeah, that 1424 01:30:33,900 --> 01:30:37,500 applicator Yeah. But yeah, it seems like a really nice guy. 1425 01:30:37,530 --> 01:30:39,300 And as we got in in 1426 01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:44,940 credibly kind, thank you. This is what I love. I love this. 1427 01:30:44,970 --> 01:30:48,510 This whole model, the open source and the value for value 1428 01:30:48,510 --> 01:30:52,860 is so made for each other. And there would be no fucking war, 1429 01:30:52,890 --> 01:30:56,520 believe me. We rent every ran at all. Everything would be open 1430 01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:59,430 source value for value would be fine. 1431 01:31:00,690 --> 01:31:03,330 Scot McKnight. Excuse me, Scott Knight 1432 01:31:04,980 --> 01:31:06,540 elands, LLC. 1433 01:31:08,490 --> 01:31:11,460 Gave us $101 he says 1434 01:31:12,780 --> 01:31:16,710 it. Hi, I'm Dave after hearing Leo when your last episode then 1435 01:31:16,830 --> 01:31:17,790 it was time to donate. 1436 01:31:18,930 --> 01:31:23,010 Again, again, not helping with my court case. People know none. 1437 01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:26,220 Then you had to sweeten the deal with the T shirt offer to I 1438 01:31:26,220 --> 01:31:27,120 can't wait to get one. 1439 01:31:28,380 --> 01:31:32,520 And see, I think it's quite rich and out of touch for Leo to 1440 01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:34,950 claim politics. When it seems like politics is all those 1441 01:31:34,950 --> 01:31:38,310 twists ever talk about these days. Why and why I can't listen 1442 01:31:38,310 --> 01:31:41,220 to them anymore. But hey, at least twit is how I first heard 1443 01:31:41,220 --> 01:31:44,130 about the new agenda show. You guys have created something 1444 01:31:44,130 --> 01:31:47,130 great. Then it was benefits to human to humankind that are far 1445 01:31:47,130 --> 01:31:50,370 beyond politics of free speech. Ignore the naysayers who don't 1446 01:31:50,370 --> 01:31:54,000 get it yet and keep up the good work. Go podcasting, sir Scott 1447 01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:57,840 Knight of the Knights surname. Yes, thank you, sir. Scott. 1448 01:32:01,110 --> 01:32:01,920 see 1449 01:32:03,630 --> 01:32:07,650 who we got here. Oh, Cameron rose. Camera rose gave us 1450 01:32:07,650 --> 01:32:14,160 $101.01 and his note is a free t shirt. 1451 01:32:17,370 --> 01:32:21,780 Shoot, man. I think we should have podcasting. 2.0 certified 1452 01:32:21,780 --> 01:32:24,600 on the front. Maybe on the back that you just say go podcasting. 1453 01:32:26,250 --> 01:32:30,000 Looking like a trend? Yeah, I can't thank you. Cameron rose. I 1454 01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:30,690 appreciate that. 1455 01:32:31,860 --> 01:32:35,100 Matthew Avery gave us $100 no note I could not find a note 1456 01:32:35,100 --> 01:32:38,220 from Matthew didn't mention t shirt didn't mention anything. 1457 01:32:38,220 --> 01:32:39,900 So well. Thank you for that. 1458 01:32:43,290 --> 01:32:48,990 Oh, here's your friend, your buddy. Andrew Gromit. Oh wow. 1459 01:32:49,020 --> 01:32:55,170 Andrew Gromit Oh, gee, I Potter Dev. Holy crap. Tim, tell me 1460 01:32:55,170 --> 01:33:00,030 what that's about. Well, when we were first starting, I was doing 1461 01:33:00,030 --> 01:33:03,630 the daily source code. I can't remember exactly how I got in 1462 01:33:03,630 --> 01:33:07,350 touch with Andrew, but it may or may have been another Dave Winer 1463 01:33:07,350 --> 01:33:11,220 Connect. In fact, everything was a Dave Winer connect back then, 1464 01:33:11,220 --> 01:33:17,280 because of RSS. And Andrew jumped in and he was, I want to 1465 01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:21,420 say it was I Potter, because I had iPod or which was just kind 1466 01:33:21,420 --> 01:33:26,280 of the the directory, iPod or.org. And then he worked with 1467 01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:29,790 a couple guys, but I think it was iPod or lemon. And it was 1468 01:33:29,790 --> 01:33:33,630 one of the first podcast apps or podcatcher, as we call it at the 1469 01:33:33,630 --> 01:33:37,980 time. And, and I wound up Andrew, I wound up being the 1470 01:33:37,980 --> 01:33:42,840 first hire at pajot. Wow, yeah, he even moved to San Francisco, 1471 01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:46,470 we've moved this whole family out and work with him very 1472 01:33:46,470 --> 01:33:51,780 closely. For Gosh, a number of years. Until, you know, I think 1473 01:33:52,020 --> 01:33:55,110 he was a real trooper. I mean, I I couldn't take it anymore. Like 1474 01:33:55,170 --> 01:33:58,740 this is dumb. We're not doing work. And he did. He didn't keep 1475 01:33:58,740 --> 01:34:03,210 on working. We've we've kind of stayed in touch a little bit 1476 01:34:03,210 --> 01:34:07,290 here and there. But I saw him. He popped up on Twitter the 1477 01:34:07,290 --> 01:34:10,020 other day. And I was like, Hey, how you doing? So you know, 1478 01:34:10,020 --> 01:34:13,260 every couple of years we pop up and but it wouldn't surprise me 1479 01:34:13,290 --> 01:34:15,930 if he's lurking. Looking at what we're doing. I mean, he's Oh, 1480 01:34:15,930 --> 01:34:19,530 gee, he he was a party. He was in the trenches. Let's put it 1481 01:34:19,530 --> 01:34:20,580 that way. And as 1482 01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:26,940 an apple developer, is that his maca? maca? No, no, no, no, I 1483 01:34:26,940 --> 01:34:30,810 use these, I would say 1484 01:34:32,610 --> 01:34:37,230 I think is more, you know, server side. Okay, probably. 1485 01:34:38,730 --> 01:34:41,790 Oh my God, we built so much stuff so much difficult. 1486 01:34:42,810 --> 01:34:47,070 complicated. Back in the day. Thanks, Andrew. Let us know how 1487 01:34:47,070 --> 01:34:51,030 you're doing, man. And if you got any projects, maybe just 1488 01:34:51,030 --> 01:34:54,090 have him on the show. Just to just ask me fun. Yeah, that 1489 01:34:54,090 --> 01:34:56,700 might be that might be kind of cool to talk about some of the 1490 01:34:56,700 --> 01:34:59,970 early days because I know he'll agree. It's so nice. 1491 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,940 Well, I guess it's like we just hit repeat. But we instead of, 1492 01:35:03,150 --> 01:35:05,340 you know, picks and shovels, now we've got, you know, 1493 01:35:05,340 --> 01:35:07,920 supercomputers in our pocket. None of that was there. We 1494 01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:10,800 didn't have phones. I mean, you had phones, flip phones, but 1495 01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:14,010 that, you know, it's funny to think about that, because 1496 01:35:14,010 --> 01:35:16,290 probably a lot of the stuff that y'all were having to build back 1497 01:35:16,290 --> 01:35:19,980 then, you know, server side and that kind of thing. Like 1498 01:35:19,980 --> 01:35:23,250 nowadays, you can just like, install an NPM module and is 1499 01:35:23,250 --> 01:35:26,130 done, you know, but you have to code all that crap from scratch. 1500 01:35:26,310 --> 01:35:30,930 Totally. Well, we also didn't have chat apps, or like, maybe I 1501 01:35:30,930 --> 01:35:35,760 CQ. Yeah, but you know, there wasn't, there was no GitHub, no 1502 01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:40,740 shared repositories. And you know, one of we would discover 1503 01:35:40,740 --> 01:35:45,900 things like, Hmm, maybe it's not a good idea. If you subscribe to 1504 01:35:45,900 --> 01:35:49,230 a new podcast, and your app starts downloading all 50 1505 01:35:49,230 --> 01:35:50,040 episodes. 1506 01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:54,720 You know, the stuff we take for granted. The things that we 1507 01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:58,950 learned back in the day, and eventually we'd have to do is 1508 01:35:59,130 --> 01:36:01,230 because that would happen. There's no way to kill the 1509 01:36:01,230 --> 01:36:05,460 process. He just basically had to unplug your computer. Stop 1510 01:36:05,460 --> 01:36:05,670 it. 1511 01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:12,090 Good. Good. To Andrew's note, he says thanks. Yo. Thank you, man. 1512 01:36:12,090 --> 01:36:14,130 Thanks. And good to hear from you now. Yeah. 1513 01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:20,700 Get a new automatic subscription at $24.20 from Lauren ball. 1514 01:36:21,090 --> 01:36:22,950 Thank you, Laura. Very nice. 1515 01:36:24,300 --> 01:36:28,860 A one time donation of $17.91. I'm not sure what that amount or 1516 01:36:29,190 --> 01:36:33,240 is it possible that these are the the numbers that you have 1517 01:36:33,300 --> 01:36:39,000 after Pay Pal takes its fee over that maybe that's possible? 1518 01:36:39,030 --> 01:36:39,390 Yeah. 1519 01:36:40,470 --> 01:36:42,870 If there's numerology i don't i don't i don't know what it would 1520 01:36:42,870 --> 01:36:47,220 be. But it's against 17 117 dollars and 91 cents from 1521 01:36:47,220 --> 01:36:51,090 Michael Newman. I don't know what seven is only one way to 1522 01:36:51,090 --> 01:36:54,630 know consult the book of knowledge 1791 Let's see if that 1523 01:36:54,630 --> 01:36:58,140 was a year. Michael gave us he sent us a 1524 01:36:59,250 --> 01:37:02,340 good really good note and asked us him an email asking if we 1525 01:37:02,340 --> 01:37:04,620 could read it and he didn't respond. So I'll repeat it next 1526 01:37:04,620 --> 01:37:05,760 week if he does. Okay. 1527 01:37:07,440 --> 01:37:15,420 See Damon. Damon set magic he gave us $15 automatic 1528 01:37:15,420 --> 01:37:16,320 subscription each month. 1529 01:37:18,180 --> 01:37:22,260 Yeah, and Daniel the sygic gives one time donation of 1111 1530 01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:27,450 beautiful lucky numbers man 1111 thank you thank you that's our 1531 01:37:28,590 --> 01:37:32,100 that's our that's our donor group for the for this for 1532 01:37:33,300 --> 01:37:38,310 one time donations and then we our monthly donors. Our pod 1533 01:37:38,310 --> 01:37:43,110 verse $50. Wait, wait Martin, you're come you're part of it. 1534 01:37:43,140 --> 01:37:46,860 And you're bringing money? No, no, this pod pod verse and what 1535 01:37:46,890 --> 01:37:51,720 Mitch is doing that? Yes. Yes. You guys. Wise. Yeah. You guys 1536 01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:53,790 got to stop that because otherwise it looks like payola. 1537 01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:57,630 Yeah, yes. He just wants to come back on the show, doesn't he? 1538 01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:06,780 planks verse $50 Chad Faro $13.33 Michael Newman $10.66 1539 01:38:07,260 --> 01:38:11,550 Mitch Downey again No. Hey, wait a minute. Thinking about it. 1540 01:38:11,550 --> 01:38:14,100 Martin. How come you aren't given money? This is crazy. 1541 01:38:15,210 --> 01:38:17,400 Hey, I'm streaming money to you. 1542 01:38:19,800 --> 01:38:22,620 Bye boost boost everybody boost right now boost real hard. We 1543 01:38:22,620 --> 01:38:26,280 need a jingle from Dame Jennifer. A sexy boost. Martin's 1544 01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:27,960 not a producer. He's infrastructure. 1545 01:38:30,930 --> 01:38:32,880 Same as furniture. Yes. 1546 01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:39,990 Mitch gave us $10 Chris ciera to rubber IQ. $10 Chris Callen. 1547 01:38:39,990 --> 01:38:45,240 Give us $5 Jeremy Cavanaugh give us $10 some dude named Alice 1548 01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:48,270 gates that I don't I've never heard before. Again. He just 1549 01:38:48,270 --> 01:38:51,030 tried to show just trying to get on the show. 1550 01:38:52,140 --> 01:38:56,070 My part Thank you, Alex. Alex, you got it. You guys gotta quit 1551 01:38:56,070 --> 01:38:57,810 that. Yeah, really? Do I really do. 1552 01:38:58,950 --> 01:39:01,440 David Norman hypercasual $25 1553 01:39:02,730 --> 01:39:07,230 Paul Saltzman $22.22 Wait, where's David Norman disappeared 1554 01:39:07,230 --> 01:39:13,050 too. He is gone. But he got a kit. I think I think he's just 1555 01:39:13,050 --> 01:39:16,440 basically being a parent. That's not acceptable. 1556 01:39:18,420 --> 01:39:22,920 Hey, Paul Saltzman that's another another guy who I know 1557 01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:28,140 Oh my God. Paul Saltzman I must know him for 25 years. He was he 1558 01:39:28,410 --> 01:39:32,190 Paul Saltzman he let me just see what 1559 01:39:34,890 --> 01:39:38,220 he's not the Canadian film producer. 1560 01:39:39,420 --> 01:39:43,530 That's not the right Paul sells. Paul's. He's like a consultant 1561 01:39:43,530 --> 01:39:46,950 he's salesy, man. Yeah. 1562 01:39:48,180 --> 01:39:52,920 It's the pulse ultimate thinking of he's just I mean, this goes 1563 01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:57,330 back to Silicon Alley days before 2000 called drop me a 1564 01:39:57,330 --> 01:39:59,760 note man, I want to I want to make sure I got the right Paul 1565 01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:00,000 in my 1566 01:40:00,599 --> 01:40:01,769 As crazy these 1567 01:40:02,939 --> 01:40:06,449 The past is coming back. It's like, Hey, we're here. You doing 1568 01:40:06,449 --> 01:40:11,429 podcasting? We're here to show Becca. Yeah, round to the 1569 01:40:12,509 --> 01:40:17,249 shore. Soren Miller $10 and Derek Vickery. $21. Those are 1570 01:40:17,249 --> 01:40:20,549 our automatic, monthly. And Alex, I appreciate that brother. 1571 01:40:20,729 --> 01:40:25,109 Yeah, thank everybody. Thank you all for supporting for 1572 01:40:25,109 --> 01:40:28,679 supporting the value for value of this project. And really all 1573 01:40:28,679 --> 01:40:31,259 we ask for is time, talent and treasure. He doesn't have to be 1574 01:40:31,259 --> 01:40:34,709 all three Alex Martin, Mitch. David, you know, it doesn't have 1575 01:40:34,709 --> 01:40:36,899 to be all three you can just do the time and talent. 1576 01:40:38,100 --> 01:40:42,810 But man, is it appreciated? It's keeping the whole project going. 1577 01:40:43,290 --> 01:40:49,110 And and you know, it'll become an endowment one day I guess. an 1578 01:40:49,110 --> 01:40:52,050 endowment Yeah, well, all the bitcoins all the Bitcoin that we 1579 01:40:52,050 --> 01:40:54,630 get stays Bitcoin, we haven't, you know, anything that's come 1580 01:40:54,630 --> 01:40:58,110 into the index is just staying in Bitcoin. So that that really 1581 01:40:58,110 --> 01:41:00,900 would just, you know, we're going to collect about, I don't 1582 01:41:00,900 --> 01:41:06,930 know, $700 in the first year, not even, maybe, maybe six or 1583 01:41:06,930 --> 01:41:09,960 $700. We're just going to hold on to it in 10 years, we'll be 1584 01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:13,290 millionaires. Yeah, we just leave it like Bitcoin. It's, 1585 01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:16,350 it's the same way that colleges get their, their endowment. 1586 01:41:16,380 --> 01:41:20,850 Exactly. But I'm, I'm only half joking. Because I really do feel 1587 01:41:20,850 --> 01:41:25,170 that way. It's one thing to buy bitcoin and, and hold and huddle 1588 01:41:25,170 --> 01:41:28,650 it, and keep it around and see what happens. It's another thing 1589 01:41:28,650 --> 01:41:32,820 to be earning Bitcoin, you know it for it to be coming in out of 1590 01:41:32,820 --> 01:41:36,810 appreciation of something that, that you did. And it's even if 1591 01:41:36,810 --> 01:41:40,980 it's a small little piece, it feels really good. Knowing that 1592 01:41:40,980 --> 01:41:43,140 you know, that just leave that in there. We leave that in our 1593 01:41:43,170 --> 01:41:46,260 in our podcast, index wallet, and then one day, maybe it'll be 1594 01:41:46,260 --> 01:41:49,470 worth something. And in the meantime, more comes in every 1595 01:41:49,470 --> 01:41:53,130 minute of every day, is at least a set coming in is so 1596 01:41:53,130 --> 01:41:56,460 phenomenal. How's that been for you? For you guys? I mean, 1597 01:41:56,460 --> 01:41:59,460 what's your experience? Martin? Alex, when? When you I mean, do 1598 01:41:59,460 --> 01:42:01,800 you ever look at it? Or you just look periodically? 1599 01:42:04,110 --> 01:42:06,960 Yeah, I mean, I look periodically at it, which was 1600 01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:09,810 also why, you know, I discovered that it had stopped working for 1601 01:42:09,870 --> 01:42:10,770 I think, 10 days. So 1602 01:42:13,950 --> 01:42:15,030 yeah, let's go look at 1603 01:42:16,230 --> 01:42:17,250 Martin is important. 1604 01:42:18,300 --> 01:42:21,510 Yeah. Now I check a bit more often. 1605 01:42:22,680 --> 01:42:23,280 Go ahead, Mark. 1606 01:42:24,900 --> 01:42:28,860 No, yeah. So no, but it's, it's interesting to see. And it's 1607 01:42:28,860 --> 01:42:31,470 interesting to see the trends that Oh, some days it's like, 1608 01:42:31,500 --> 01:42:35,370 oh, double up. And then yeah, I do have the feeling that it 1609 01:42:35,370 --> 01:42:40,680 probably coincides with no agenda show dates. But yeah, 1610 01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:45,570 it's it's super interesting to see. And I do have this idea of 1611 01:42:45,570 --> 01:42:49,350 just transferring it to my own pot friend, wallet. And then you 1612 01:42:49,350 --> 01:42:52,110 know, at, at some point, I'll hit like, some 1613 01:42:54,030 --> 01:42:58,680 number where I give more than I can stream myself and that 1614 01:42:58,680 --> 01:43:00,180 that's when I know it will be a success. 1615 01:43:01,530 --> 01:43:05,520 It's so you know, I follow the trends as much as I can. And 1616 01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:06,000 since 1617 01:43:07,050 --> 01:43:11,760 since I'm looking at the index node, for sure, no agenda, 1618 01:43:12,030 --> 01:43:15,270 podcasting. 2.0 is bigger than no agenda on the streaming, 1619 01:43:15,270 --> 01:43:20,970 SATs, Telly, it is and guys tales. Tales from the Crypt does 1620 01:43:20,970 --> 01:43:27,030 quite well. When Marty releases yesterday, though, or no agenda, 1621 01:43:27,090 --> 01:43:33,270 someone did 100,000 SATs boost. That was just Oh, thanks. Oh, it 1622 01:43:33,270 --> 01:43:35,760 wasn't because I couldn't see I couldn't see it. My Sphinx is 1623 01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:39,210 all messed up. Yeah, he just made black comes into digitally 1624 01:43:39,210 --> 01:43:41,820 just blast in 10 times 10 or something. What was he doing? 1625 01:43:42,330 --> 01:43:47,070 3333 333 times in a row? Because I looked at the chart. I'm like, 1626 01:43:47,070 --> 01:43:53,280 What just happened there? It can't be right. Yeah. And that 1627 01:43:53,730 --> 01:43:55,650 when that happens, I love it. How about you Alex? Because 1628 01:43:55,650 --> 01:43:57,210 you're getting pieces of 1629 01:44:00,210 --> 01:44:04,590 animating no agenda. Yeah, check when it gets released. It's only 1630 01:44:04,680 --> 01:44:07,980 usually a few minutes long. So it's not that much. But it is 1631 01:44:07,980 --> 01:44:11,250 nice to see I check on when it comes out. The I boost. I mean, 1632 01:44:11,250 --> 01:44:15,540 I just boost almost boosted my way through it. It's it's proof 1633 01:44:15,540 --> 01:44:16,530 that the whole thing is works. 1634 01:44:17,670 --> 01:44:21,180 So I guess the next question is, if if whatever is happening, if 1635 01:44:21,180 --> 01:44:23,820 that were times 1000, would it make a difference in your life? 1636 01:44:25,110 --> 01:44:27,990 Yeah, definitely. Okay. Well, that's that's the mission. 1637 01:44:28,020 --> 01:44:31,560 That's all we have to do. I mean, I just want to cover my 1638 01:44:31,560 --> 01:44:35,010 server costs. That's it. Well, of course, but then everyone 1639 01:44:35,010 --> 01:44:39,180 deserves to to benefit after the after the costs are out of the 1640 01:44:39,180 --> 01:44:39,480 way. 1641 01:44:40,530 --> 01:44:43,380 But that's what I see Massey even even times 100 I think 1642 01:44:43,380 --> 01:44:44,880 would make a difference for most of us. 1643 01:44:47,130 --> 01:44:50,100 make that happen? Yeah. So it was just just more more enabled 1644 01:44:50,100 --> 01:44:55,920 apps and you know, the ones Eric comes out of the swamp. You 1645 01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:59,250 know, he's he's getting closer to his on ramp. 1646 01:45:01,650 --> 01:45:02,970 We're getting more shows to 1647 01:45:04,650 --> 01:45:08,220 bloom and blueberry put get new Central and valuable. Oh really? 1648 01:45:08,250 --> 01:45:13,080 I've been waiting for that. No, I didn't. Oh, no, in fact, I was 1649 01:45:13,080 --> 01:45:16,110 just new media show hasn't updated yet for me but this is a 1650 01:45:16,140 --> 01:45:19,500 geek news Central. Okay, I guess he would need to discuss that 1651 01:45:19,500 --> 01:45:22,470 with Rob. But I hope he puts that one on there too. Yeah, for 1652 01:45:22,470 --> 01:45:26,220 real. I'd be a geek news central is on there. And also, another 1653 01:45:26,220 --> 01:45:29,190 big one was dark net diaries. That's a big show. That's a 1654 01:45:29,190 --> 01:45:33,630 really big show. And I think some if we can get some more of 1655 01:45:33,630 --> 01:45:37,260 these bigger shows that that just helps the whole value blog 1656 01:45:37,260 --> 01:45:38,010 ecosystem. 1657 01:45:39,390 --> 01:45:41,190 Absolutely. Let me see this is 1658 01:45:42,570 --> 01:45:46,530 let me just see a habit here. Huh? Oh, that's the media show 1659 01:45:46,530 --> 01:45:48,720 gig new Central. Okay, I'll take a look at that. I'll boost him 1660 01:45:48,780 --> 01:45:55,500 up boost his ass. Alex, do you host our show? We'll we'll have 1661 01:45:55,500 --> 01:45:57,150 topics is that only native? 1662 01:45:58,260 --> 01:46:01,440 We've been going back and forth. His big thing is live streaming. 1663 01:46:01,470 --> 01:46:01,920 So 1664 01:46:03,510 --> 01:46:06,720 yeah, we've talked about it. Because he's got a podcast, 1665 01:46:06,780 --> 01:46:08,550 there's a feed and the index for it. 1666 01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:13,470 I think there was a talking about putting this video on 1667 01:46:13,470 --> 01:46:17,520 there. Okay, because because I went to listen to watch the 1668 01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:21,390 video in pod friend. And it was just like an audio version of 1669 01:46:21,390 --> 01:46:26,670 the of the thing. So like if he had a video if he had a video 1670 01:46:26,670 --> 01:46:28,470 and a feed and everything threw in a tube 1671 01:46:29,670 --> 01:46:33,840 not only you know the value blog to him, you and we we get to 1672 01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:35,610 test out the alphabet and closure and all that stuff. 1673 01:46:36,990 --> 01:46:40,260 Yeah, once once I the rest of the features for 1674 01:46:42,780 --> 01:46:45,360 coming out and so forth. I'm gonna reach out to all those 1675 01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:47,520 other guys. So there's a couple people. Okay. 1676 01:46:50,040 --> 01:46:56,790 Let's, that's all I got. All right. vote to adjourn and close 1677 01:46:56,790 --> 01:46:57,300 the board meeting. 1678 01:46:59,310 --> 01:47:02,460 Well, let's go around the table real quick. Alex, anything else 1679 01:47:02,460 --> 01:47:04,980 we can do for you? Anything else? You need? Ice cream? 1680 01:47:04,980 --> 01:47:07,200 Cookies, hookers? Blow what can we do for you? 1681 01:47:09,030 --> 01:47:14,070 Oh, okay. All right. That's all that Martin. Anything for you up 1682 01:47:14,070 --> 01:47:15,210 there in the Far North. 1683 01:47:16,380 --> 01:47:21,270 And, um, no, I think you're doing enough already. I feel 1684 01:47:21,270 --> 01:47:26,610 like yeah, I feel privileged already. Oh, yeah. Now, man, I'm 1685 01:47:26,610 --> 01:47:29,760 all good. It's we're all privileged. We're all doing 1686 01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:34,650 something phenomenal here. And it's, it's, it's it's the best 1687 01:47:34,680 --> 01:47:38,100 the best work I've ever done in my life. I enjoy it so much. 1688 01:47:38,100 --> 01:47:41,580 Just being a part of this group, which includes my my partner in 1689 01:47:41,580 --> 01:47:45,330 crime. Mr. Dave Jones, how about you anything else? Besides 1690 01:47:47,640 --> 01:47:50,790 being able to help you quit your day job? Anything else we can 1691 01:47:50,790 --> 01:47:53,580 do? Yeah, you can play. 1692 01:47:54,660 --> 01:47:58,890 I so the algorithms that would be more than happy to the 1693 01:47:58,890 --> 01:48:00,990 algorithms are running everything at turns out. 1694 01:48:02,910 --> 01:48:03,300 Yeah. 1695 01:48:04,440 --> 01:48:08,010 Exactly. All right. That's it. Board Meeting adjourned. 1696 01:48:08,010 --> 01:48:11,100 Everybody. This has been podcasting. 2.0 and we'll be 1697 01:48:11,100 --> 01:48:14,700 back next Friday with another edition where we dive deep and 1698 01:48:14,700 --> 01:48:17,580 everything happened in podcast. index.org See you then. Bye bye. 1699 01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:37,440 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 to visit podcasts 1700 01:48:37,470 --> 01:48:41,820 in this.com for more information. That's amazing.