podcasting 2.0 from May 14 2021, Episode 37 dan, what's up, Doc?
Oh, yeah, man, we got the boardroom packed today. Once
again, it's a Friday time for meeting of the Board here about
in podcasting 2.0 podcast index.org I'm Adam Curry in
Austin, Texas. And in Alabama adjusting the API and encoding
the endpoints my friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen,
Mr. B.
What, what cryptocurrency is? It's like a Friday. So what
cryptocurrency is Elan musk pumping up in today, like,
single handedly crashed Bitcoin by like 10%. Yeah, well, good.
And it's still here. So the resilience is quite phenomenal.
Actually, all things considered. Yeah, like it. I like that
stress test, you know, what I'm interested in what I love the
most is that
because this guy, we discussed this briefly on no agenda
yesterday, and we have the troll room, you know, with 1000 people
in their chat and whatever. And, and I'm like, you know, Ilan
musk got screwed. You know, they, they figured him out. And
they said, oh, here's how we pressure you. It's like you get
you make 100 million, a couple 100 million a year on carbon
credits, we're gonna start adding your Bitcoin Treasury to
your carbon emissions, and you're gonna lose subsidies and
maybe you should shut up about Bitcoin. And they got it. And
then the troll room went now for the chessmen. He's gonna figure
it out. Let me just tell you something. Sure.
Elan Musk is as much as an inventor as we are. He's a great
marketing guy. I've met him. I know him. I saw him in the early
days. I went to the launch of Tesla in the airport hangar.
It's not that impressive, but okay. Hyperloop man, he wrote
that shit up on the back of a napkin? Yeah, well, well, you
and I wrote this shit on the back of a napkin too. As long as
you get some venture capital to back up to an eight new ATM to
your shop, you can make whatever you want. Well, there's that.
Yeah.
Anyway, so I think it makes it interesting and exciting.
cryptocurrency in particular, Bitcoin is under the attack
vector as the evil part of ransomware.
I would like to do one something in my life, what for once this
not, has doesn't have something to do with an unbanned and
underdog and something
to ride the wave of a successful venture at some point in my
life? Really? You know, I gotta tell you, it doesn't really it's
so short lived. It's so it's really not all that great. I've
been on top of the wave with MTV, a couple other moments, but
it's short man. Short that way. I don't like the psychology
thing. Because there must be like, a, an enneagram number for
that or something. Because I'm always the, you know, fight the
system, you know, portray him but you know, against the trend
this that's not that's just who you are. You can't change that.
And And remember, Dave, the journey is the success. Yes.
It's always the journey. That's the success my friend now, but
it's really interesting how, how all these things kind of came
together. We're just living in a crazy ass world. And I am so
happy. So happy that we embarked on this journey. If you just
look around when we started this, what, 10 months ago?
Less than that, maybe nine months ago? It's only that's
like, September, September last year. Yeah. Thanks. And just
look at the control and the pressure that's been put on
every other kind of form of media.
Well, I've got there's a great, you know, great example of this.
And I have no idea if this is from us or not?
Probably not, I'm probably self aggrandizement here. But the you
know, slate is starting to sell audio books as podcasts. Oh,
really? Yeah. Yeah, there's a story
came out this week, this lighter says slate is getting into the
audiobooks business, the online magazine, in past podcasts
description, sellers launching its own audio book store today.
It goes down and is basically they're saying that they're
going to use their private feed system. So where you get your,
you know, you sign up for membership, and you get your own
feed with a token or something like that. They're going to give
you a private RSS feed for that audio book. So the feed is going
to be the audio book.
And I mean, I think I mean, we've been hammering that home
for the last few months, audio books, audio books, audio books.
And then, you know, we had that audio book by Dan Auster. Yes.
Yes. He showed up. When was that like a week ago or so? Two weeks
ago? Yeah. A week or two ago? Yeah. Drop me. I dropped his
audio book in RSS feed, and he's got it. Yeah, I wonder how he's
doing. I'd love to know
As boosted, and I'm listening. And I think that's a great idea.
With audio books, the value for value model is so appropriate
for it, particularly because you know, you're paying for how much
you listen.
So the length of the book does matter. But also, you know, you
can pay the speaker, you can have a split going to the
author, there's so many cool things that can be done with
that. So yeah, in a way, it's great. This privatization is,
you know, this making feeds private, although I understand,
you know, you might as well just just use DRM, I don't know, why
go, Why go through all the trouble. Why don't we need
silent splits. So
unnamed splits, so that you can send your, so you can send some
of your split to, to the person who actually wrote the book,
rather than the person whose name is on the book? Ghost,
right? We could, yeah, guess right, you can just put in it
just put in a dash, as long as, as long as as long as it's a
node ID on the other end, it doesn't matter. That's fine. No
one needs to know who that is. I kind of like that. To go. Yes,
the ghost. The ghost split is like, oh, whoever this guy is,
yeah, they've written like 14 audio books. I mean, 14 books
because they are nodes everywhere. Now I once started
to do audio books, and it was, you know, I have these periods.
Well, you know, my periods were all I get bored. And then I got
another idea. exit strategy.
And I want to do some audio books. Just just kind of see how
it is. And I decided to read
from the series that I grew up with Tom Swift. Have you ever
read Tom swift books? I know of it, but I've never read it. And
that's, that was like, sort of like Hardy Boys type. Yeah,
except when I, when I actually look looked into it. I was like,
holy crap, these books are from
like, I think they're from 1900.
Anything 19 1910 is when they were able to getting them off
the Gutenberg project. So you know, okay, obviously, they are
in the those are in the public domain like this. This will be
fun. I'll read it. And and Tom Swift is
the guy who wrote it was Victor Appleton. I don't think there
was a pseudonym. And he had stuff like Tom swift and his
rocket ship, Tom Swift, and his time machine, Tom Swift, and his
electric grandmother, you know, all these different things. And
because he was an inventor, and I think it was actually very,
not, I think about it very influential on my life. And I
really loved the idea of inventing except his dad would,
you know, was kind of his, his mentor, which that wasn't the
same for me. I had a different kind of imaginary mentor. And I
started reading these books. And it's filled with all kinds of
really inappropriate language about black people. And
oh, no, I can't I read this as a kid. How am I not in the KKK? It
was
no idea. No idea at all. Yeah, we did a test but podcasts
throughout their day, I use it to Neo test, just test random
stuff. And it's just a this one chapter of an old
was that guy HP Lovecraft one chapter of an HP Lovecraft short
story. And I was having to edit that thing on the fly, like left
and right me.
Because I'm reading a sentence. I'm like, No, no, I gotta change
that. gotta change this. You know, it's like, Man, that those
sensibilities are long gone. Thank goodness.
We got a very, very busy boardroom today. And before we
end, we're going to bring our guests in or our other board
members to talk about a number of things, but I did just want
to
share an experience as we look at you know, the on ramping of
people from you know, Bitcoin to lightning and putting in
wallets, etc.
Tina and I were watching Tim Poole, a few days back, and Max
Kaiser was on with his wife, Stacy, and really do the Tim
Poole thing I Oh, no, I cannot I cannot watch Tim Poole and Tina
does. She used to watch him every day. And now she's kind of
it's kind of diminished. Because she's like, they just it's
always kind of the same. I said, Yeah. That's the Daily Show.
Yes. Yeah, exactly. It's very hard to do a daily show make it
entertaining. But they so they had Max and Stacy on. They got
we'll watch that. And it was kind of going off the rails
because Tim Poole, of course, now completely unprepared and
you know you if you have Max Keiser there and he gets bored.
He's gonna go off the rails. It's just gonna get super
stupid. You know, he's got a rubber chicken and he's yelling
they had to turn the mic down. It was bad but
what did they do in Super chats? So you know, if you if you give
a guess you can do 510 15 whatever it seems like if you do
a Super Chat, which is you know, you pay $200 then Tim Poole
reads it like cuz I'm watching Max and Stacy and Tony.
And as dumb questions coming in like, Max, do you think bitcoins
gonna make climate change worse you know, these are not the
questions for max geyser and
and like wow come on and on telegram texting them like pay
podcasting to point out where the fuck is wrong with you like
the promote the shit already is Tim Poole and it's not happening
like come on Team let's do a Super Chat we'll do a $200 Super
Chat. It was her idea she's Miss marketing like, let's do the
Super Chat there. Now we gave up between the steps of registering
for the Super Chat through YouTube and then you have to
make sure it's the right app on iOS and then you have to confirm
with your iOS, your iCloud password that you approve. It's
like, by the time we were done, the show was almost over. It was
it was not easy at all.
You know to set that up. Now once it's set up, I'm sure
you're like boom, boom, boom, Super Chat all day. That's my
point is like, it's like none of this is really all that hard.
It's just the Fudd that's thrown up. Well, in that regard. I've
been noticing how many podcasts or I haven't even looked at the
stats lately, but there's a lot of podcasts that are have value
blogs now. It's got to be over 200 Yeah, I don't mean I should
check while we're on the show but I do you know what Yeah, do
that. Do you know when we got we got like 10 new value blocks the
day after Leo Laporte defamed me.
I think john says I have john says I have a libel suit against
him so I have to be very hurt Oh really? Yeah, he's hurt it was
hurtful wasn't
too bad it was successful with signups otherwise I could use it
in court. No one signed up after that. Now this we had to do the
saved or created thing like we would have had we would have
if it had not been for what he said.
I know it's it's really cranking it really is it's beautiful to
see now. I'm just gonna bug you one more time about the two
things
well the one thing really is to V record we talked to swing
skies
Paul's back and back on the horse now he he was he was going
he said he was traveling stuff. So he's back on right and Evan
hopefully is back from maternity leave. Well, maternity leave. He
seems to be I think what was happening as far as I can piece
it together wasn't so Evan telling somebody else. Ellen
Sphinx dead. He's currently rewriting that the Android app
from scratch. It was I think he Yeah, I don't know if it was
just like, just too bad and had to burn it down and start over.
But
that was what he said. So I don't know if he he's probably
just been like heads down. Okay, getting that thing done. Well, I
don't care.
I want it to be records fix so that we can know what I want.
Yeah, what I want so we can make the next step with Ellen pay. So
many things to do. I just haven't reached out we we need
to reach out to Paul Yeah. And ask because I'm sure it's
gonna say trivial. were you gonna say? A small fix? Wow. You
sound like an asshole executive now. Congratulations, Dave.
Well, you're a partner in a company now. Oh, yes, of course.
Are you a partner at the firm? They may. No, no, no, I'm
talking about in our in potty. Oh, here I guess index LLC. No,
I thought this was your this was your your day job. You sound
like a day job guy. No, no, no, no, not at all. me don't want me
having any of my hands and running and running a real
business. Lovely.
Yeah. And it was nice to see that.
It was actually was good for a number of reasons. Curio caster
hooked up value for value, usually good looking app. It's a
great app. And what was really interesting is, you know, so he,
he's basically going the pod station route. And so and from
what I've seen is pod verse, like, Alright, go here, get your
key, get your admin key, paste it in here. And I can just see
the fix. You know, it's so simple. Even if you just spit
those two things back at someone from an API from you know, the
LM pay wallet, like here, these are the ones you paste in even
that would be enough. It's it's so close. It's such it's just
it's like, yeah, we're making people click on tabs and go to
fields and copy and paste and we're so close it there. There
can be a simple handshake. I feel like I think so too. Yeah,
I think so to where does Tim live from lm pay?
Yo, I want to say that he lives
I thought it was the South. I was thinking he was up in like
North Carolina or something. Well, if he's a Bitcoin, we're
gonna kidnap and we're going to tie him up in the in the podcast
index, Suite
index, Airbnb. It
Miami. In Miami, yes.
Hey, since there's so unless there's something else you want
to talk about with me specifically, we can bring any
other board members. No, go ahead. Okay. So the door open
wide. Oh, hold on a second. Oh, do you have the key? Yeah,
right. Here it is. Alright, there you go. Yes.
Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the board room from
na tube international enterprises. The Honorable Mr.
Alex gates and from pod friend enterprises. Mr. Martin
Morrison. Hey, happy to be here. Hello. Happy to be here. Yes, we
have the Danish royalty.
Okay, gentlemen, so good to have you here. Once again. We are
integrated. Alex, where are you? What's your location? Where are
you? I'm up in Wisconsin. Wisconsin. Right, man? We got a
pretty diverse show. That's nice. Are you from Wisconsin? Or
do you just live there? Yeah. Born and raised. Do you have a
Wisconsin voice?
That makes it when you said Wisconsin? I'm like, yep. That's
a little bit. Yeah. Yeah.
Your bet your badger. Oh, yeah, of course. backpanel. All
through. Okay. So we have Alex and Martin in here. Today, we're
going to talk about a project that we've been working on. But
maybe, since we're kind of all here, and we've all been looking
at it and all in our own way. troubleshooting and adding
ideas. I think pod paying is the number one topic for for today's
meeting. I mean, this is we It feels like we're very close to
doing something extremely important. Dave? Hope so. I
mean, so where it's at now, maybe it may be a refresher,
maybe a refresher, explain what pod ping is and why it is? Yeah,
I think. So I was listening to pod land yesterday. That was my
Thursday night ritual. And James almost got it. Right. He he
missed a one piece of it.
And so the thing with the thing with pod paying is now just lay
the parts out. But first, why at first, why? Why pod pig? Okay,
well, the reason why is that
the only way the only two ways to know if the fee if an RSS
feed has changed. And
the reason why we're even discussing this, I mean, if
there's 20 fields out there, this wouldn't be a big deal. You
check them every 10 seconds. But, you know, with three and a
half million pod, or 3.7 million podcast RSS feeds.
The only way to know how to feed this change is if you go and
requests and pull it to go and check it. Or if somehow you get
told that it changed. And so
web, historically, aggregators would just run through their
list of feeds, and check them all. And then they would run
through again, check them all, and they would just keep doing
that continuously all day long.
Web sub tried to fix that, and I would say has been largely, you
know, it works. I mean, the technology of web sub works,
there's no knock here. Web sub is the thing where you, the
publisher, read registers with a hub, which is just a web server
that's configured to talk lips, I'm sorry. So and the reason we
needed to change that is because it's
incredibly inefficient to to be trolling stuff and and of
course, everyone who needs updated RSS information. They're
all crawling feeds. And it's mainly a huge rate, waste of
resources. But I think, with some hosting companies, it
actually is a quite an additional cost. Yeah, well,
or I'll give you an example. Let's see, Tom from buzzsprout
said that they just Apple's crawler, he posted this earlier,
hit them about 50,000 times in 30 minutes. Now, does that mean
that they crawl through every feed they have? I guess, I'm not
sure exactly what the breakdown is of traffic. And he said they
don't log that. So he said the only reason he realized is
because it really is in fact killing the planet with this.
It's worse than Bitcoin.
So that's like 28 hits a second, roughly on their CDN, from
crawling from what from just one crawler. Okay, so Apple has to
Apple has to crawl you overcast has to crawl you, Spotify mean
all these us, everybody has to crawl everybody else, your
stitcher and so you just get this monumental, you know,
climate destroying activity, cost, anything but green? Yes,
yes. It's Brown. It's all Brown. Yeah. And so
anyway, so web sub will
We're going to solve this. And by creating hubs and the
publisher of a feed registers with the hub, and then somebody
who wants to get notified when there's when the feed changes,
also registers as a subscriber on the hub, and says, ping me
when this page changes. Got it. And so the, whenever the
publisher updates the feed, you get a, you get a get request
from the from the web sub hub, that tells you this feed has
changed. You know, it's fine, except
InVision, three and a half 3.7 million subscriptions that have
to stay active, to website to all different web sub hubs all
the time. And your maximum length, typically on a website
hub for a subscription is about 15 days.
Then it kicks you off, you have to re re subscribe, oh my god,
don't re subscribe within 15 days, then you you stop getting
pings. I didn't realize this. And it also seems unreliable in
general, because that's the script I used to ping when the
shows updated. Right?
Yeah, you're sending one directly to our hub receiver.
Yeah, well, that's also not always very reliable. So the
thing the thing about it is, you you have you end up with like,
in our case, we have not everything supports website, but
with the we have roughly we have over a million members 1.31
point 4 million webs of enabled feeds. We don't subscribe to
them all because some are just abandoned, right? When we end up
with roughly 800,000 active web subscriptions that we have to
keep re subscribing to every 15 days. Right, which seems like
another
waste of resources. Yes. So that's, that's the problem with
with web sub, from our perspective is it puts a lot of
burden on the on the subscriber side, if you want to maintain
your your level of notification, right, that's one issue. The
other issue is that the hub doesn't always tell the truth.
So like, if the hub is silent, and you don't get a pain, you're
not you're not sure if you didn't get a pain because the
fee didn't update or you didn't get a pain because the hub is
messed up, like waiting for your boyfriend to text you.
Exactly, exactly what it is. Hey, Alex, Alex and Martin,
unmute man, I want to hear I want to make sure that if my if
I'm making good jokes that you laugh, this is not for that stop
or that corporate behavior. Ex jokes muting themselves, not a
zoom meeting. Yeah, it's not zoom voice. But you're well
trained, obviously.
So you have you have to, you have two problems there. And
the so what you would rather have his you would rather have
something that is just a firehose, but this is if you're
an aggregator, so and this is what this is all this is all
designed for. If you're just one person that has that wants to
subscribe to 1000 feeds, he's webs, I'm not a big deal, right?
If you need to subscribe to 3 million feeds, you need a better
way. And so you'd what you really want is your fire hose
easy to Jakarta thing. And now you don't need that. That's the
thing you don't need.
So those pod pod ping is
a essentially it's a hub.
idea.
It's a web server that accepts a URL from approved publishers
accepts it just accepts a Feed URL, passes it to a script that
writes that Feed URL to the blog to the hive blockchain. And
you're done. So a publisher, like Tom has mentioned to Tom
from buzzsprout. publisher, let buzzsprout would just send it
just do a get request every time the same thing they're doing
with with the web sub, get GET request to the to pod thing. It
takes that URL,
sticks it in a queue.
every three seconds the queue gets flushed. And those things
get in those URLs get written to the to the hive blockchain.
And that, that would that solves it and that solves two things.
The people, people who want to get notified that feeds have
changed. All they have to do is monitor the blockchain. All they
have to do is watch the blockchain. They don't have to
ever subscribe to anything. They're just passively
monitoring the blockchain.
So there's nothing there's no internet, there's not even any
interactivity there. The second thing is it's very easy to
figure out
If the if the chain if the system is not flowing, right,
because if the firehose stops, something's wrong,
which is basically what I believe, hey, something's wrong
here. What's going on here? The firehose has multiple streams
from Brian. Yeah. So like the flood of activity going into
blockchain is sort of like a red Blinky light on the, you know,
on the server in the server room, right? I mean, if it
starts, if it starts blinking, something's wrong. So anyway, so
that's, that's what that's what pod ping is. It's it's just
accepting URLs writing into a blockchain.
But this is the revolutionary part.
I've been around for a bit, but this is one of the few times
when any organization said yeah, we're gonna use blockchain. And
it wasn't for some marketing bullcrap. This is actually it's
actually a very good use of blockchain. It's super cool. I'm
sure Alex knows this more than you know, more than most. It's
like blog. blockchain is a was the old at the cliche blockchain
is a database solution. It's a solution looking for a problem.
It's also very misunderstood. But yeah, in general, it's a
buzzword. Well, but but in this case, Alex, it seems pretty damn
appropriate.
Yeah, it solves a lot of problems. One of the things that
David mentioned is the last mile problem I've been talking about
where
if you take a stand on podcast, application, desktop, Android,
iOS, I like in 10, apod.
They've been trying to solve a problem, like website is only
for servers. So if you can't stop pulling, if you just have a
client only application and have a decentralized blockchain with
API's really solves that problem.
Yeah, cuz you the reason there's only four servers because you
have to have a web hook to receive it. And if you're on a
mobile app, or something like that, I mean, you can't, you
can't be always online, you don't have web hooks are not an
option. It's not you know, does pod ping, in a way, circumvent
what the updated API does from podcast index? Or is it we still
have logic in there? That is?
Maybe just stop there with the question. Couldn't couldn't pod
friend just also watch the blockchain? And then oh,
something new? And I have subscribers for that. I'm going
to pull in the feed. Technically, I guess. Yeah. So
the, what you would what you would have with something like,
like with what Alex is talking about, is, let's envision a
future where we have the live tag, you know, the live system
working with live tag. So you're waiting, you're waiting on an
item to go like, like a live stream to start. Okay. And then,
like, how do you know when it actually starts? And that's a
way that something like an app like pod friend could watch the
blockchain. For that, for that signal, that the stream is the
stream has, that the feed has changed? And then they noted,
then, you know, to crank it up.
That's it. That's I'm saying that right on Alex.
Yeah. And it's, arguably, it couldn't be more reliable than
any of the other live netiquette notification systems. I mean,
you guys have seen how long YouTube notifications can take
some times. And this is it's every 30 seconds. Right.
So this is this is truly just a notification system.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the way we're using it, yeah.
It's fantastic. When you know, when Steven put together pod,
ping, dash watcher dot web dot app, which is one of my favorite
URLs to remember, it rolls off the tongue.
I realized, this is what web blogs.com was when Dave want
before Dave Winer sold it. He had one page web blogs calm. And
that page would just be every blog post, everything that
updated in real time would just flow down that page. And,
and I think I mentioned this, I posted it.
When Stephen threw this up, I'm like, holy crap. This is the
first time ever in 18 years, you can look at podcast updating
across the world in real time.
It's trippy. No, not kind of, it's mind blowing. And I and I
and I, I posted that on on the socials. And the response from
people was like, Oh, my God, it's alive is that they almost
like a mind like an animal that Frankenstein thing that's come
to life is very exciting to see this happen. And I agree. It's
like wow, just look at this and the titles. The stuff that's
coming by that you've Of course never heard of is very
entertaining. Then really fantastic. It's it's almost the
thing that you
From the very beginning, yes, that is exactly right days.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Yep. And
yeah, although that will There you go. There's your progress
in, in a little over nine months, we went from what's on
the homepage to this, that's pretty phenomenal.
That the kind of have an Amen. Day man.
That's so the reason that convened the this this
particular board meeting is for is because of all the video
stuff that we're talking about.
You know, and
you get in a tube, and pod friend.
Up until Curio caster came on pod friend was one of the only
apps supporting video.
And so, I'm just wondering, I guess I'm just gonna throw it
out there to talk to Alex and Martin both. Like, what, what do
we need, at this point in the game?
for like, alternate enclosure, live tags? I think that mixture
is we need something around that in order to really get sort of
the video experience to like the next level I want. I want to
make those tags happen. And so I wonder where, what's the what's
missing here? Is there Well, what do we have to do next to
get those to sort of like solidify?
So for video, it's
I mean, the problem is bandwidth and hosting and storage and so
forth, like in a tube has been around for maybe for four
months, and we have almost 1000 videos now.
And I'm probably find a pod friend or something, some other
applications, but it's the with the way the default enclosure
works. It's it's downloading just the 1080 p video every time
even in pod fan, like if you just have a little video, I kept
buying it. So paying 1080 P and downscale here, right? It just
doesn't need to.
So one way to incentivize hosts would be to allow for dynamic
streaming, which is a solved problem, as built into peer tube
and a few other sites. Typically HTTP live streaming, also
abbreviated as HLS. And pewter views is that for both regular
videos and livestream videos, no, I think it'll help
significantly. And there's some ways to even distribute that
bandwidth in a peer to peer manner.
Yeah, I think every time I see
the animated no agenda, like the team, Jennifer, when she posts
like, Oh, I'm adding sets, I'm thinking, Oh, Alex is paying for
that right now.
So yeah, I would really like to support alternate enclosures.
Yeah, just to make it like the time format. So everyone is
sharing the bandwidth bill. What, what on? On that note,
Martin on the iPhone, pod friend doesn't seem to play video in
the app. Is that?
Yeah, that was a So basically, that's a you can say it's a bug.
Because I, I changed a different audio engine. That doesn't
support video, but I'm playing around like with it. So I had to
have a combo. So when the user sees a video, it switches to the
old audio engine. Okay. Have you seen the Have you seen the
alternate enclosure tag the way that
the way that Alex has written it up?
And no, I have not but, but I did try at one point to use the
peer tube version where I tried to use web torrent, like NPM
package to pass it. But yeah, I just had too many projects
around me. So it was like, at the first the first obstacle I
hit, it was like, Okay, I'll return to it later. Is that is
that the web torrent library? Is that what you're talking about?
Where it loads that and then you're basically using a kind of
a shared model. Yeah, exactly. And it should be really easy to
use. So I do hope to return to it soon actually. Like it's like
the example is like, you know, seven lines of code pretty much
But of course, I'll do that for you. Just let me get
PR incoming.
Maybe I should
give the listeners a little background to this.
I would say first of all, podcasting and pod video,
podcasting used to be a thing before YouTube and then YouTube
completely.
Well really saved the hosting companies because there was no
way they would ever be able to compete
with really even make money probably with the amount
If everyone's doing video for podcasts, and hosting companies
limited that by
allowing you to store X amount of gigabytes or pay more, as
it's a reasonable calculation, but it really fell out of favor,
and many apps don't support video, although a lot still do.
And it's just not something it's now it's baked into the
consciousness of people. Oh, no podcasts, you can't do video
there. So
Mark Hall, who is a documentary filmmaker, a friend of mine, he
lives here in Austin. I've known him for Gosh, 10 or 11 years.
And he, we talk regularly about his business. And he said, you
know,
documentary filmmakers are screwed, we can't get on the
platforms. We have controversial topics. So you know, it's often
just that for that reason alone. And then we get on the
platforms, you know, they screw us in pennies come dripping out
the other end. It's hugely political in terms of placement
and promotion. And he says, you know, the, it's just dying. It's
dying on the vine. It's not working, we can't get it
anywhere, is something is podcasting. 2.0 something that
could, that could we could try? And I said, Yeah, I mean, the
thing that's missing is we need some content. He said, Well,
should I let's start with my movie, which had a theatrical
release, and it's called killing Ed. And it's about charter
schools, and specifically the Gulen Movement, who at the time,
just hasn't stopped or infiltrating schools all
throughout Texas and around the world is very interesting.
And this was back in the day when there was a lot going on
with air Diwan and Turkey
during the Obama days,
and
and he said, let's try it. And so I said, Okay, you have to be
an active participant, which I think he is and, and he's, he
understands it was the most beautiful moment was, okay, I'm
uploading whatever file format, and then Okay, For Subtitles,
I've got SRT, I'm like, holy shit, this is the same stuff.
We're using that so cool. It was like a minor, little joyous
moments like, oh, and we're, everyone's using the same
formats, go figure. This is way too simple. And, yes, and so the
idea is that this would hopefully be launched as look at
this with value for value streaming payments. And in pod
friends and, but also Curio caster, of course, but as our as
the launch platform, being na tube and, and pod friend. And
then from there, it's just been just been kind of going and I've
seen the long thread. So I think something's getting somewhere.
But the first thing to do, appears to be the alternate
enclosure tag.
Alternate enclosure would help. There's a features I need to
work on on the native side. Because ultimately, it's not
even my software, I modify peer tube dads and stuff. So I need
to add, like value blocks and so forth.
I didn't even know RSS before started the project. So I've
been learning that along the way. So
you can't tell. Yeah, you hit it. Well, yeah. Yeah, I
wouldn't. I didn't even know appear to before it stood up at
like five hours. So that was fun.
I want to know the what. So Martin was talking about your
bandwidth and like, How bad is it? Because I don't even
understand how you're running that side. I mean, it just seems
like you would need 25 terabytes of bandwidth he's in he's in a
game. He's an heir to a cheese conglomerate.
The big chatter, yeah. Big chatter. He's just got cash to
burn. Okay.
No, no, David's, it's all linode. And with the peer to
peer to stuff, peers, that helps.
It's really not that popular yet. So we get with all the
stuff I have in there, maybe 11 terabytes of bandwidth a month,
and we usually use 5% right now. 11 terabytes per What?
per per month. Oh, okay. And I think I push I push about 13
through linode.
Dave?
Yeah, we, we, I guess if you do for the month. Yeah, that's
probably about right. The good thing about linode is that they
give you ridiculous amounts of bandwidth. Like, you may be
overpaying for some stuff, but they way over provision you in
bandwidth and that's really helpful. Honestly, that's one of
the main reasons why we use them is because they just, they give
you so much extra bandwidth and you don't want that. It's like
You don't even have to think about it. I go back, I go at the
end of the month to check our bandwidth meter. And we've used
like, 1%. No, it's not. Yeah, it's just ridiculous. But But as
far as disk space, so let's, let's say there, somebody
uploads a video
to in a tube, you're storing that locally, right? Now I'm
using object storage
on s3 compatible. So I think the nogen tube object storage right
now is about 1.3. terabytes. Okay, that's a lot. And that's,
I mean, that's really cheap. Like that, is that in linode?
also their object? Okay. So how does this scale does it scale
what needs to happen?
I mean, ideally, scaling is decentralized, where, right you
get other people to host peer to hip and they there's a critical
redundancy where they can help mirror your videos. And that's
where a lot of the peer to peer stuff comes in. Now, is there a
tool where you can calculate or do some rough calculations to
understand how many peers you need of what capacity in order
to scale up to, you know, x, whatever you're doing now?
Hmm, I have no idea. It's hasn't been done before. Um, there's
like, there's a couple of big video sites that do, you know,
decentralized until wars, live streaming stuff, but
they don't make that information public.
Alex, can I ask you? Is it decentralized in the way that
you know, if I watch a video that I share at the same time I
watched the video or do I have to actively say, hey, I want to
be a mirror, I have no agenda to for example.
So the default way it works was that it uses a peer to peer HLS
sharing system that's built on web torrent.
And if you just go to the browser, it what it does is it
takes the URL of the video. And it announces that to all the all
the web torrent clients, and it says, Hey, I'm sharing this
video, and all the other clients can be picked it up. It's
completely decentralized in that fashion.
What's the message? What's the messaging? there? It's how did
the other peers know about it?
It's based on what torrent and send servers? Okay, so it's just
a it's a typical seed. issue. Okay, whether torrent file and
all that, yeah. Okay.
So that makes sense. So, all right. So it's never been done
before. I like that.
Is there a way we may have talked about this before? Is
there a way
that if someone wants to help in the distribution, that they can
help in the distribution, but then it doesn't make sense to
hook that up to some split for storage costs to people who are
participating?
Yeah, that's how that's what purity works by default, even
without what we're doing. So I can help someone spin up a peer
tube instance. And what you do is if you have at your own peer
to server, you can follow other servers. It's very similar to
like mastodons of ours button videos. And when you enable
redundancy, it can copy all videos, it can copy, like the
last seven days with the videos for you. And once we plug in the
peer to peer distributed HLS, live streaming from alternate
enclosure, that would automatically plugin.
Alright, so by this time next week, Dave?
Yeah, I wanted to ask Martin.
So how do you plan on because to me, you're the interface guy.
Well, at least your interface captivates me and you have my
wife under some kind of spell. She keeps walking around with
this coffee mug say nein, nein Nein Nein Yeah.
I love it. So are you enjoying the pillow?
You know, I honestly I haven't filled it up with a pillow yet.
It's because we're, we're in the middle of packing and the less
big, big items I have. So it's kind of nice and compact, but I
will fill it up and I will put my ass on it and take a picture.
Awesome. Yes. So how do you plan on on surfacing this documentary
just going to do it as it just like a podcast will something on
the interface change that would be more appropriate for viewing?
I mean, I know you think about this stuff is what I'm saying. I
guess.
Yeah, I mean, I would really like I have some lists like the
trending podcast and trending True Crime podcasts and stuff
like that. I would really love to, you know, surface it like a
bit like visual podcasts. Like have a specific list about that.
Or, and, like, I could even consider making like a, you
know, not a pop up but like some kind of onboarding that says
like, Hey, did you know that podcast can also be video? Yeah,
one of one of pods friends friendly little messages.
Exactly. Because I do think that you're right that there is a lot
of people that don't like know that
can be videos.
And and I think I think even for the podcasters, it could be mind
blowing, like to even, like start to think about, Hey, I
could be doing podcast with video. And I think I think
that's quite interesting. And there comes the next immediate.
I won't say it's a problem, but the next roadblock is okay. So
this is of course going to be successful and people be
interested in and they want to do this. And then where do they
go?
I don't think we want them all show model. But Alex is door.
Alex doesn't want that. No, Alex is not interested. So what we're
missing is, is the tool set.
That creates, in fact, kind of a specialized RSS feed actually.
Okay, well, let me ask this on that on that note. All right. So
Alex, did you does it does it? Does peer tube support RSS
natively? Or is that something you had to put in?
a? That's a dramatic question.
What is zoom corporate answer this? Well, okay, so that that's
amazing. Oh, hold on. Where's my mouse? Yes. There we go. Good.
One, Alex. Good one.
So why is it not playing? But hell? That's never happens. It
never happens. I promise.
You guys keep talking. I'll restart this program whenever
they pay. No.
Yeah, so pier two does support RSS but sports media RSS, which
I asked you about a few months ago. Yeah, it was something that
Yahoo did. And you know, that died. Hmm. So but a lot of the
inspiration for Alterna enclosure came from that
because, I mean, they use media RSS because they didn't like the
regular CES. There was no namespace for what they needed
with video.
So the media RSS thing was like some kind of aborted damond baby
of,
of Yahoo evidently that, like nobody paid attention to. You
know, I got I was really interested in media RSS for a
while for this. Cause back what, how many years ago? is this? The
media RSS came into play? Now it's old. It's old. I remember
thinking, Wow, this is so good. And also I remember learning for
the first time how things don't take off.
absolutely nowhere.
Yeah, so there were a lot of good ideas in there.
I think it was back when Yahoo was still Yahoo, actually.
But so what I did was I forked the peer tube codebase. And I
added my own podcast RSS namespace for podcasting. So
that's, it's all open source. I need to talk with the peer tube
developers, but how to integrate it. So I don't have people have
to rely on me. But uh, again, I can, is there a? Are they pretty
receptive to stuff like that? Could you push that back to
them? That code? Yeah, I saw, because people were asking for
features. They're like, Hey, can we, you know, tell when a video
goes live with RSS? And they're like, Well, no, there's nothing
supports it. So I think they're very open to utilizing this.
So what? So if, if,
so let's just say that in a tube, I'm just trying to think
through this process, then.
Let's say some that some documentary documentarian, let's
say that, that that person's company,
he or she sets up a peer tube instance,
now loads up their documentary on that peer tube instance. And
then
creates a feed. Or I guess there's a feedback default, if
they upload their own videos to it.
There's the they put it in the index and then on other
directories, then they could I mean, they could they're done.
Right? They're hosting their own stuff.
Yeah, it's very similar to a cast pod. Not in that regard.
Okay, because I don't there's a lot of There seems to be a lot
of resistance with traditional podcast host hosting companies
to hosting video. And I guess it's just the bandwidth is such
a scary unknown. That's exactly what it is. That's what it is,
of course, that he had a you know, if you had a podcast,
excuse me a document, documentary, documentary film
company, if they just set up their own deal with with peer
tubes that you had some sharing, right, it wasn't Oh, then maybe
maybe that would work.
Yeah, absolutely.
It's not just bandwidth. It's compute too. Because, you know,
when you upload a video, it's really encoding
To use a format that can work with like HTTP live streaming,
as its encoding it down to, you know, four dp, which is, you
know, it's a lot of compute power. So, but yeah, if if
someone was stood up there on peer tube instance, with my
fork, hopefully it'd be upstream soon. I'm still adding features.
So it's not ready yet. But
I could follow them. And I could help them with bandwidth costs,
for example.
What is a chat, pod friend is is HLS. I mean, is that something
you can handle out of the box? Or is that like a bunch of
custom code? Martin?
I think that's a bunch of custom code. Like, basically, I'm just
using like standards, like video player capabilities. So I would
have to add custom code for it. But I don't think it will be
that crazy. But maybe it starts being crazy across the
platforms, because I know, you know, iPhone has specific
requirements and all kinds of things. Like for example, you
can only play video on iOS, if it's full screen. So like they
have all kinds of weird requirements.
was that all about? Since you can only play the video if it's
full screen? Yeah. Yeah, you can't be in a windowed thing.
And now they had the little pop out window now in the new in the
new version, but, but I think it's like you basically you're
in a pop out or your full screen? There's no, huh? Yeah,
it's weird. You can't for example, yeah, you can't you
can't go to a web page, for example. And then, you know, see
a thumbnail of the video where it's playing. It has to go to
full screen.
Yeah, and that's a one of the usability guidelines. I guess.
Yeah. It doesn't even give you the option. I don't think I
mean, I think you just get one or the other. Yeah. So it is it
is. So if the if HLS.
mean, that's really where the magic needs to happen. So I
guess what's happening right now, if I go in and look at a
video that if I open up like,
you know, animated no agenda or something like that, and watch
video and pod friend, is it? I guess it's just downloading the
whole file?
Yeah, yeah.
So that's I defaulted to 10 ap, because that's a good user
experience.
Although I mean, like animate the animation capacitor as well.
So
it really is, it really is a two part thing. So there's a default
and closure, which I'm defaulting to a video because I
don't want to break stuff.
You know, people hate that, obviously.
But then I, the the HLS stream is a it's a specific MIME type,
and one of the alternate enclosures. And that's the file
that you download. And then you put that into an HLS player.
And I think there's a, there's an open source project called
p2p Media loader, which does all the hard work of looking at web
torrent and so forth.
Share bandwidth.
So is that a, the HLS file is that sort of like an in like the
old in three, you file where you download it, and it tells you
where to go? It's a it's an M three u eight file? Yep. Okay.
All right. So let's look at, like control file, essentially.
Okay, well, that makes that makes. That makes sense. I'm
just trying to think, you know, if,
if you can deliver. Okay, well, one other question, the, so
you're storing the video file and trying to get my head around
what all the different moving parts are. And
so you've got the video in raw and object storage, you've got
your ear in a tube instance. So if you do an alternate enclosure
and pod friend, kicks it down to a lower bit rate, then is that
in his in his you're in a tube is your peer tube instance,
transcoding that on the fly, or it's not serving a different
file
transcode them on the fly at a time? Or sorry, not on the
firehose, it could transpose as a matter of time. So it's it's
storing in all those different resolutions. So you'd be jacking
your, your storage way up.
Yeah, that's what that 1.3 terabytes is. Okay, so you're
already storing those different thoughts. You're, you're already
doing that. Yeah, I mean, it's for it really is cheaper because
it's cheaper to pay for storage and object storage.
I guess that makes sense. So if you've already got these videos
and the different encoding levels, you really are just
waiting
For a tag to be able to stream.
Yeah, the tags are already there. I already started to
serve that. Yeah. Well, what are we waiting for that and Martin
get on the stick boy.
Yeah, it sounds like it sounds like you're good to go.
I don't want to tell you what to do. Yeah, my guess my only
concern is
if I do the whole web torrent thing, and I decoded, like how
my different audio engines would handle it, like in iOS and
Android and, and a web, but no, yes, that's just a problem
waiting to be sold. I mean, yeah.
It's interesting, because I have the I use the APK on graphene,
which has solved all of the audio playback playback problems
that were happening. But of course, it doesn't do video. So
for me, I just, I just hit the the web version. It's like, Man
make make that work for me. And I'd be happy right off the bat.
I mean, the, the beauty of, of YouTube was not just
the encoding and the storage and the immediate playback time. And
and that was a thing back in the day.
But it's also the fact that you just hit a browser, boom, done.
Now, of course, lots of people use the YouTube app. But,
man, I mean, the fact that I can say, here's the link, click on
this link, and it it brings up this player that just starts
playing that's a very YouTube like experience. Yeah, I can, I
can definitely tell that the most of the pot friend, user
growth is coming from people sharing links to pot friend
like, Hey, listen to this episode, or something like it's
a really, really great way of, like, viral growth. So that's,
that's really great. But then, yes, and of course, you
pioneered the question mark, t equals number of seconds. I
heard that. I heard that on pop news.
It's a standard. It's a standard. I've never seen it
before.
I don't think I can take credit for that.
YouTube's been doing it for a while, actually. Yeah. And but
actually,
I can't remember who on the podcast index that social said
it. But I was having troubles jumping to a specific second in
the in the podcast, because the older browsers did it a bit
different than someone just said, Oh, just add hashtag t
equals something after the auto URL, and I'm like, No, that's
like that. And then why didn't you like that?
Well, I didn't think it would work. Oh, really?
I didn't think the process would understand the hashtag, aka
audio URL. Okay.
And then and then, then I tried it, like in the audio tech in
the middle, and then just word just works. Yeah. That's great.
I spend days working on that boss. Yeah.
Very cool.
Oh, it's Yeah. It sounds to me like, well, we may need to do is
just finalize this tag. I mean, there's Yeah, there's been no
input on it whatsoever. Except for me and Alex. I mean,
basically, the only ones do. And I've said this, you know, I said
this before, I don't mind putting in a tag that maybe
nobody thinks they need. Because eventually, it may be three
months, six months, a year from now. Somebody says, Oh, well,
okay, this tag exists, I can use this and they, like, I don't, I
don't want lack of feed. if, if, if I don't want lack of
feedback, keep something from moving forward. You have nobody
thinks they need it, then, and me and Alex are the only ones
that seem to care. Well, then. We care. We think it's good.
Well, there's, there's a whole industry of very poor
documentarians who care. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I mean, I'm also
happy to, you know, implemented in part for and also, like, I
think there's a lot of other players like that, you know,
they have to see working, like somewhere else, because before
they will even bother, because, you know, yeah, you're right.
Maybe you can release, you know, see how, like how it would work
in your own app, and then see it working somewhere else, like,
Oh, yeah, and that would be I would hope that other developers
who want to implement this, and they likely will they also
consider doing value for value, otherwise, it kind of ruins the
idea. Huh? What Yeah, one thing I do think of though, is like,
it's easy enough to do the whole web store and on desktop.
But I wonder what it means for like mobile phone battery life
to do the whole torrent
thing.
Like, yeah, yeah. So Martin, the the ptmp Media loader library
has integration with like a STUN server and so forth.
Which, you know, helps with announcer and tracking and so
forth. And you don't have to do uploads. You could do it only
for media.
Well, then it's basically not not much more work than just
HTTP at that point.
No, then I guess the main point is that it would download like,
a much lower resolution than, than, like the default, and that
would help out as well.
Yeah. Yeah. I'm so sorry. Like, no agenda has the low bandwidth
paid on that's like a dividend encoding?
I think it's openness. Right. The light fee? Yes, it is.
I don't I don't maintain that. No, I have no idea where that
comes from.
Yeah, but I mean, that could be the same feed. There's, there's
also a torrent,
somewhere out there to get baked every show.
That might be Andy valance. Andy Valencia? I don't know. I mean,
there's so many things. I mean, people used to do this all the
time, kind of, you know, the argument for people in countries
that pay a lot for bandwidth. That was very, very big in the
beginning, have no agenda. So you know, 12 1314 years ago?
You know, the number one country was who was crying about it?
Australia? Yeah, Australia. Yeah.
And then the hosting companies have, you know, heard from them
that they don't, I mean, they really care about, I guess most
of their customer base is us. I'm not sure exactly why, but
they don't really care about the low bandwidth aspect of it.
But, but as that's, again, probably a function of the fact
that they just don't do video. Right. And so, you know, for if,
if we want video podcasting to be a, you know, a viable thing.
Lot going forward, and then they even possible in in low
bandwidth countries.
I think, I think we really need this. I think I think it's right
now.
In the world that we live in? Yes. Yes. Now, It'll take a
while. I think this is a very interesting proof of concept.
And I like it, I like it with long form.
It, you know, and quality content, so you can really plant
a flag in the sand and say, Look, this is you know, we're
serious here. And, and eventually everyone all show up.
And you know, maybe someone will build a tool that looks like,
Oh, I'm creating a YouTube video. Hi, guys, you know, and
then and then we'll have all that influx. But for now, it
kind of it doesn't it pretends to be something a little more
upscale.
The way the way it's working right now within a tube when and
if nobody understands what we're talking about. So let me just
tell you, you don't understand and they've checked out a long
time ago. Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
But for my benefit, please. Yes. This will be the sound bite,
then this will be the sound bite the sucker man.
The clue we're talking about is taken to get video like animated
no agenda, the name Jennifer does. And she posts that video,
too, in a tube. And then in her in her feed in her RSS feed.
Obviously, the videos delivered, but then there's a value block
in there that specifies her. And in a tube and Alex, which I
think is already working isn't an Alex isn't that exactly what
happens now? Yeah, I get 5% so it's a small file. So it's not
that much but it's nice to have. It's nice to see into in a tube
creates the RSS feed correct? Correct. Now man, you got a
whole system right there. You don't need anything else your
hosting company just need Alex is
your documentary as your documentary company. Your
documentary company sets up your peer tube with all the with your
special hacks in there with the in a tube forks and they start
getting the whatever percentage I want one.
I want to be the documentary company.
What documentary would you do if you did it? No. I just want to
have them on on my server. Okay.
I just want to see when people access I just want to see them
enjoying it.
Then Yeah, I mean, that's that's the way that works. And it works
already. I mean, it's, it's really cool. So really the only
thing we're looking for is the alternate tag. And then and I'm
saying only
in my with my developer hat on and
The
the web torrent stuff on on the pod friend and is that correct?
I don't even think torrent, right. I mean, the web, web
torrent is different than just the HLS bitrate stuff. Okay, but
I could set up a web tour I could I want to help. So I can
set up a peer tube instance that would just be mirroring and
sharing in the load.
Yeah, I should explain why this confusion here. The original
version of peer tube did just do what torn and reduce surface
those files. But they're transitioning, like the
deprecating that for the new HLS version. So
yeah, you would just end up appear to instance, and follow
us for redundancy. All right. Well, give me pointers. Tell me
when Tell me and can I do it now that would have to wait until
you're a little further down the road? Yeah, we could do now. I'm
not. I'm a consultant. So I didn't really want to be the
primary video site. So I'm perfectly willing to help people
set up. I want to finish up some features, but it's all I'm not
gonna dock retainer. So good to go. Just a Docker. But just just
the Docker, the Docker.
Who's the guy that has set up exactly three Dockers and is
happy. Yeah, that would be me. I haven't run into the shit yet.
Obviously. This thing's working. Adam, you can't run on raspberry
pi.
So does any of the larger podcast host actually support
video? I know, blueberry does because
they support video? I think so. Because I mean talks. He has his
own video version of the shows. Right? That's right.
And I seem to remember like having a quick talk on Twitter,
biggest Twitter thread where he said they've been supporting it
a long time. But I I bet those companies that do support it,
they hide it behind like some advanced tab or something No,
no, no, that no, I I remember now because I set up my
stepdaughter on blueberry, now that they support the format.
But if you want to, you're going to be wind up paying a lot more
than your standard fee per month, because you need more,
instead of saying hey, it's really expensive to transfer
that bandwidth wise, they limit you by saying even have so many
gigabytes storage. So either you're swapping out your shows,
or you're paying significantly more than than sticker price,
which is logical Of course, I doubt they, they re encode it
too. So if you put in you know a string, no, it's a straight mp4
or whatever you put up there now it's straight out they don't do
I don't think they do any of that. I don't think which is,
which is common in the auto world. Like I know all your
audio guys don't want re encoding. But in the video world
you have to
one thing that could be interesting is to like now that
we'll have the documentary, it could be cool with some, you
know, some more trailblazers and could be interesting with a few
podcasting 2.0 shows in video, maybe a no agenda, episode in
video. Yeah, that's that's never gonna happen. No,
no, no, I don't like it. But I but I certainly know who we can
bring in. I mean, the first person, the first people I'd
want in would be Max and Stacy just because it's Max and Stacy.
And, and you know, and they are all wired up. They've got to
know they got value blocks, they know how it works. They love
video, then they love video. That's that's a big draw for
them. And if we said, Hey, come over here. And and of course
they do the show live. So why wouldn't we
implement our live trigger, and people could get notified and
watch it live or watch it later? Hmm.
So yeah, so what about a, like, just a live audio version of for
example? Well, I guess you already have no agenda, but
could also be interesting with podcasting. 2.0. And because
they would just give so much incentive to write like, the
chat functionality and stuff because it would be like, yeah,
you know, communicating while the show is live. Well, Totally.
Totally. I mean, first of all, we could do this show live too.
I mean, we do it live to recording so that would be fine.
No agenda no problem at all. We have the live stream I can I
have total control. I can flip it on right now. It interrupts
whatever's going on. I just need a signaling mechanism
then you know, so whatever that that some blockchain paying or
something and then then everyone would know Yeah, hey, I'm your
bitch over here. You just tell me what you want. I'll I'll get
it done.
Yeah, I think stuff like that. It could be fun. Also, just to
experiment, like before we finalize the live tag, and let's
try it out or something and see, you know, see if it works.
Yeah, because like, as long as we
So a few podcast players that implemented like right away,
then there's room to change this back. Like, if we find out, it's
not quite working this way, then we can, yeah, pretty fast. But
then that's what that's what's so beautiful. That's why when
you have the content, and you have all the other players at
the table, that's where we get to party, man. So, absolutely.
And whatever command line thing I need to hit, I'll do it,
whatever you need. Absolutely. I'm very excited about that. So
it sounds like it sounds like we can just formula or, you know,
finalize the alternate enclosure tag, and then on this on the
live stuff, you know what that that'll, we'll have to think
about that? That's, that's a different.
That's a whole different ballgame. Yeah, yeah. Here's
what's on my head, I'm an ultimate closure, I think it's
stable enough. So I'm not open to change. And then
live, once we have pod ping working, I want to work on an
example or a version of live. That's gonna work a peer tube.
And there's some philosophical arguments here that we've had
with some of the audio video guys versus video show guys.
where, you know, a peer to peer tuber YouTube videos, often one
live item and not just a live radio stream. So I've been
thinking a lot about that. And I think it was worked out.
And the last thing I'm thinking about is the format that we've
gone back and forth on. Yeah, I'm on board with the format
tag. I'm good with it. Yeah, that would be a way to say, hey,
gentlemen, hold on a second. Are you crazy? I can't believe it.
No. Time. First time.
namespace timing, we're almost done with the hot namespace
talk. But okay, I'm sorry for interrupting, I'd have to keep
to the rules of the board.
That's
a second. Second, the motion.
So So Martin was talking about a way to
make videos stand out. And the way to do that, especially when
you have more than one enclosure with ultra enclosure, is to tell
them, like, give it a format and tell them it's a video, I think
that's gonna be the easiest way, it's simple. It's gonna make it
search search easier. You could do it for different music, you
know, say, you want to separate user experience from music.
Tell the podcast player, this is music, you do for audiobooks.
See that? That's the that's the only
I like the format tag. And I'm, I'm totally on board with it.
But that's the only thing that is slightly confusing to it, is
because you, you basically have video, and then you have like
five different forms of audio. And it doesn't. So I get a
little confused. When I'm thinking it's like, okay, one of
the format is video. And the other one is music, audio book,
two, you know, wanting to work on these. So I'm wondering,
like, what if, instead of sort of that layout, instead, we have
certain category, you know, like a list of categories,
documentary,
you know, cinema, blah, blah, blah, I don't know, I'm just
making stuff up. You have these list of categories, audio books.
And then and then you just didn't you know that this
category describes video, this one describes it audio, I would
have maybe actually go different way and say like, we already
have categories, like let's say true crime or
cooking. And then I just want like, is it audio? Or is it
video? Or is it mixed? Like, and then I would surface it in the
search of boyfriend like, because I think that there's a
big difference. If you want to search for like video or audio,
like if I'm out running in the forest, I only want audio, but
if I'm sitting at home, you know, then maybe I want video
instead.
But I
I don't think that you know, for example, let's say true prime or
cooking isn't necessarily one or the other.
I find that very interesting, Martin, because cooking, I think
there are certain elements of the way a way a cooking the way
cooking content would perhaps function in the whole namespace
realm than a documentary and let me see if I can explain to
cooking has a video, but it also has
a recipe. Now there may be interesting ways to use chapters
for that, or maybe even transcripts for all I know. I
can certainly come up with some ideas, you know transcript I can
set the resolution differently so that it'll show
10 lines instead of two. And so if I was to, if I'm,
if I'm doing a cooking video, and you know, and I said, Here
are the ingredients you need for this and it pops up underneath
with 10 lines, I mean, there's just all these different things
that may be used a little bit differently, versus when So
actually, I'm agreeing with your idea, documentary, there'll be
some other things that you might expect
in a video version, and that may even just having that tag
documentary, file type equals video may prompt the pod friend
to
open up a different, you know, interface or whatever, you know,
I can just see all these different use cases.
Whereas just saying, you know, it's what even movie you know,
okay, so alright, letterbox. I want to make sure you know, if
you can override make sure that
that the if it's subtitles that it shows it in the appropriate
spot, I mean, there's just all these different things I can
think of based upon those categories of content. Hmm, a
walking tour might pop up a map.
Yeah, that doesn't include genres. That's what the
categories are for. Right?
Yeah, so it's basically format, could just be audio video other
or something like that? Is that fair enough? Because you could
have audio book.
I mean, you know, book category, but an audio format.
Or you could have true crime, video. z. So you're sort of, you
know, mixing, mixing, you're, you're pulling, you're pulling
the category list that then you're also merging it, you
know, with, with the format, saying I want this format of
this category?
Or does that or does that break your idea for what format was
supposed to be? Alex?
I can see a few different arguments for it. So what is the
user experience argument? Right. But that could work with the
category too, but we need freeform categories, right? or?
Yeah, we just need categories in general in the in the namespace.
Right? The other argument is a format for a specific set of
expected features in the item.
So for audio tours, it might be
it's an audio that has a location chapters.
Okay.
Yeah, I think we're gonna have
this one, this one keeps tripping me up every time
because of this. Because if you have, if you have a format of
video,
that makes sense. But then if you have a format of
what, you know, tour walking tour, like, what is a video or
an audio? You don't know, you know? So, um, I think I think
it's hard to avoid some sort of merge with the categories. What,
what if we, instead of trying to define like, it's a walking
tour, it's video, like instead said, like, have a kind of
format support tag where you said, I'd support video, IT
support the audio, it supports virtual reality, or whatever.
And it supports location chapters, like if it's a walking
to something where you instead said, like, This podcast is
using these things. And then the podcaster could say, okay,
there's an audio version, and there's a video version. And
there's a, well, actually,
it's a tough problem to solve. Well, that that's, that's
alternate enclosure Anyway, you can have more you can have, you
know, audio video and have all that in there. And so it's sort
of like, I think what you're envisioning, Martin is sort of
like a content, a content excepted editor, so I can take
these Yeah, exactly. The things. That was what I was thinking,
but maybe like, when it tried to define like, what is the best,
like, experience defined for this podcast is a video that we
want, and then you know, let's say, you know, a blind person
downloads it like okay, then there's an audio fallback, or?
Yeah, no, no, blind people are just not allowed to use it. I'm
banning.
Makes it too complicated. Yeah, I think we actually changed
blind people's worlds 18 years ago.
Probably. I agree with that. I've I've got the receipts
together. Got the receipts. Yeah.
Okay, so
do we need
To do we have Can we leave it at this? Do we have any other
things to hash out? It seems like it's we're not quite
resolved at everyone goes back to their respective caves. I
mean, I mean, I say, go ahead, Martin.
Well, I've been trying to work in the joke that I have a face
made for audio podcasting during the whole thing, but it didn't
really succeed. He just did it. He just he just lost that went
to the moon Martin. Good job.
brute force that you're
nothing wrong with it that you can.
Okay, can we get in the That's amazing. Now does it is amazing.
Yeah, of course. Okay, I had to get.
I thought the whole, like otter clip was the that's a dramatic
question.
from Alex. Oh,
yes, that is the clip for sure. Yeah. If I could actually create
an RSS feed with that in there, I would do it.
But this is your weekly reminder that I'm still awaiting Casta
pod to be able to use every single tag in the namespace
event. I see you say it in French. Oh,
Moshe Bellamy, bellami, Benjamin's a shoo in period cast
apart.
I'll take your word for it. It was horrible.
What I'm taking away is that my I think we go ahead and finalize
the alternative closure tag as the start, because it's already
in use.
And then we just make that thing, go
and then live. And then we'll we'll battle out the format tag
and try to figure out what to do about that. But I mean, I think
alternate enclosures is this is step one, that's what we need to
begin with. Is that do we have a quorum?
Yes, yes. A second. Yes. Okay, wait a second. And we're good to
go. Excellent. Excellent. Um, we, we want to this and they
won't, thanks. Yeah, we do want to thank a few people, this is a
value for value proposition, the whole project everything is
value for value. And to repeat our mission statement to
preserve podcasting as a platform for free speech. That's
a lot of what this is a lot of what pod ping is about, as well.
And of course, the entire index and how we propagate that out
and, and, and make copies available. And it's, I see the
emails, a lot of people get a lot of benefit from it,
just from the database, the index itself, but also we are
retooling as a platform of value so that people like Alex and
Martin and David, and myself and Eric and everyone who's
developing, have a shot at something dropping out of the
other end of this, if we all work together and, and push hard
enough. And I think we're well on our way, just looking at the
transactions per month, which continue to increase with the
value for value payments. Now, that said, for this show, and
for the entire the entire project, we love to solicit the
caique bucks, you can go to podcast index.org the bottom
there's a big red Donate button. We really appreciate using
PayPal for as long as we can as long as we have to in order to
keep the servers and everything running. And Dave, who do we
think today? I think we have a lot of monthlies again that came
in and that list still updated. Oh, we get Oh, this is a great
great week the said pups add puppy did it right. Sad. Puppy
always works. It's beautiful. I mean, it's just absolutely
beautiful. They right out of the gate, then and Alberto from RSS
calm gave us $501 Oh, man, thank you so much. Oh, do we need to
talk about our super duper premiums?
Or what? What's your superduper reward of the T Yeah, the T
shirts that clearly drove this this entire week of
that then Eric promptly went went off off grid and I can't I
can't find it. We lost him somewhere in Oregon. He's on the
way from Washington down California. Yeah, the podcasting
2.0 certified t shirts for every $100 aggregate in support of
podcasting. 2.0 podcast index.org and we have a list so
we're maintaining that and and we are going to Bitcoin, the
Bitcoin conference in Miami. And we'll be bringing a few of
those, I guess. I hope so. Yeah. But if it's done in time, Eric's
not dead. Yeah.
It will. So, if you, if you if you donate 100 100, to to to the
show, then be sure and tell if you want a T shirt. Tell me what
size it is. When you in your donation note or email me or
something. Tell me the size and give me an address. So we you
know, because we're trying to keep up with these things a day.
Eric services Yeah, that was gonna say
As soon as you can hand that off to Eric, you do not want to be
maintaining size and addresses. I speak from experience. This is
this is why we brought Eric in. He knows how this stuff works.
He knows all of this.
So Adam, I'm so out of my scope. Oh, yeah. Believe me, believe me
even that, I'm just saying careful what you solicit. Okay,
send things and I'll forward them there.
And, and you guys over at RSS calm. Thank you so much. That is
so you've been such big support a lot. A lot of the hosting
companies have been really big supporters. And it's so
appreciated. And they said, Adam and Dave, if you don't need it
for servers, perhaps you can add it to your boosters for everyone
you support through your listening and boost buttons. I
will say that there is an amount of money that
I think I'm recharging once a week 20,000 SATs on pod friend.
I'm about there two.
Oh, point of personal privilege. That Yes. recognized. Yes. The
Honorable Mr. Martin, could I request if it's not too hard to
do? Could you
change the web app so that it does 550? Like the regular app?
And it actually does, but if you Yes, but a if you started
streaming sets back with the old values, then it then it keeps
those because it was saved in the config and I didn't want to
just update them. Because if people already got used to them,
I didn't want it to seem like hey, I just
okay, I gotcha. All right. So no, I, but I am almost done with
the custom streaming thing. Yeah, I know. It's just, it's
just I got to the point where I love the 50 SATs a minute as a
default, it really feels good. guy does about 3000 3000 an
hour. But Danny, I was like, I always want to boost any show
I'm listening to I'm going to hit the boost. Just when I start
listening to it. I'm like, you know, to a certain point, it's
like Cridland I just don't want to be paying his rent, you know,
so I want to go
Yeah, I found I found a park in the in park friend. Well, I
guess not a park, but when they're building my friend
Martin, exactly. feature so I found some features in
the developing and I developed something called like hot
reloading where if I changed some code, it just refreshes
automatically. And then the whole value streaming every time
it was kind of like doubling up so I was streaming like 2000
sets a minute. Oh, no.
No wonder I want to get that shit out of swings. I can't get
my
million dollars in there.
Take it out before they take it back.
I'm sorry to interrupt Dave. No, sir. No, I found some features
in in piping this this week too bad especially with zero mq.
Yeah.
We Yeah, we love lis love listening and appreciate the
hard work, thought and consideration you give everyone
in podcasting. As always, we are in your debt in wish to thank
you in one of the best ways we know how value for value go
podcasting. Oh, that's so nice podcast.
Let's see. Oh, listen notes.
When Bill Well, I think that's his name and listen notes. He
gave us $200 and say his message was simple. He just said great
work. Wow. Yeah, I had a good email exchange with him just
reached out to him. I felt like when he needed to be in this
game, and we all need it. You know, he's just he's an
important part. But listen to us is an important part of the RSS
of an ecosystem. And a lot of people use this API. And you
know, so I reached out to him through Albin over at
buzzsprout. And Kevin, and I get get a set up with an email
introduction. And I just reached out said, Hey, you know, here's,
I'll make sure you have our database. And know that you can
download it. And here's our stats back compiled some hosting
stats and that kind of thing. And, and he was just really kind
and said, this is great work. And then he just popped up with
a donation. It was great. Now is he using?
Is he What is he using from us? Just the database.
I'm not, I think he's gonna download he said he's gonna
download the database and check it out. And because we, we've
got, you know, a lot more fields than he does, um, we wanted to
make sure that he had access to all that. And then we're gonna
work together probably on getting some stats, because his
stats are significantly different from ours on a few of
the hosts like blueberry. We're showing like nearly 30,000 for
blueberry and he's showing like a lot less so what is what is
listening notes actually do it looks pretty by the way. That's
it. Yeah. It's it's a search engine and
For podcasts, podcasts search engine. And then also he runs an
API as well. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So and i think i think it
started off where you could take like, you could add notes. We
could keep notes on with the podcast like take notes as you
listen. Oh, and he charges for his API, right? Yeah. Okay.
Martin Won't you using listen notes in the beginning?
No, I couldn't consider that. I think was it hypercard was loose
using it? Yeah.
You're right you're at this David Norman Yeah, that
applicator Yeah. But yeah, it seems like a really nice guy.
And as we got in in
credibly kind, thank you. This is what I love. I love this.
This whole model, the open source and the value for value
is so made for each other. And there would be no fucking war,
believe me. We rent every ran at all. Everything would be open
source value for value would be fine.
Scot McKnight. Excuse me, Scott Knight
elands, LLC.
Gave us $101 he says
it. Hi, I'm Dave after hearing Leo when your last episode then
it was time to donate.
Again, again, not helping with my court case. People know none.
Then you had to sweeten the deal with the T shirt offer to I
can't wait to get one.
And see, I think it's quite rich and out of touch for Leo to
claim politics. When it seems like politics is all those
twists ever talk about these days. Why and why I can't listen
to them anymore. But hey, at least twit is how I first heard
about the new agenda show. You guys have created something
great. Then it was benefits to human to humankind that are far
beyond politics of free speech. Ignore the naysayers who don't
get it yet and keep up the good work. Go podcasting, sir Scott
Knight of the Knights surname. Yes, thank you, sir. Scott.
see
who we got here. Oh, Cameron rose. Camera rose gave us
$101.01 and his note is a free t shirt.
Shoot, man. I think we should have podcasting. 2.0 certified
on the front. Maybe on the back that you just say go podcasting.
Looking like a trend? Yeah, I can't thank you. Cameron rose. I
appreciate that.
Matthew Avery gave us $100 no note I could not find a note
from Matthew didn't mention t shirt didn't mention anything.
So well. Thank you for that.
Oh, here's your friend, your buddy. Andrew Gromit. Oh wow.
Andrew Gromit Oh, gee, I Potter Dev. Holy crap. Tim, tell me
what that's about. Well, when we were first starting, I was doing
the daily source code. I can't remember exactly how I got in
touch with Andrew, but it may or may have been another Dave Winer
Connect. In fact, everything was a Dave Winer connect back then,
because of RSS. And Andrew jumped in and he was, I want to
say it was I Potter, because I had iPod or which was just kind
of the the directory, iPod or.org. And then he worked with
a couple guys, but I think it was iPod or lemon. And it was
one of the first podcast apps or podcatcher, as we call it at the
time. And, and I wound up Andrew, I wound up being the
first hire at pajot. Wow, yeah, he even moved to San Francisco,
we've moved this whole family out and work with him very
closely. For Gosh, a number of years. Until, you know, I think
he was a real trooper. I mean, I I couldn't take it anymore. Like
this is dumb. We're not doing work. And he did. He didn't keep
on working. We've we've kind of stayed in touch a little bit
here and there. But I saw him. He popped up on Twitter the
other day. And I was like, Hey, how you doing? So you know,
every couple of years we pop up and but it wouldn't surprise me
if he's lurking. Looking at what we're doing. I mean, he's Oh,
gee, he he was a party. He was in the trenches. Let's put it
that way. And as
an apple developer, is that his maca? maca? No, no, no, no, I
use these, I would say
I think is more, you know, server side. Okay, probably.
Oh my God, we built so much stuff so much difficult.
complicated. Back in the day. Thanks, Andrew. Let us know how
you're doing, man. And if you got any projects, maybe just
have him on the show. Just to just ask me fun. Yeah, that
might be that might be kind of cool to talk about some of the
early days because I know he'll agree. It's so nice.
Well, I guess it's like we just hit repeat. But we instead of,
you know, picks and shovels, now we've got, you know,
supercomputers in our pocket. None of that was there. We
didn't have phones. I mean, you had phones, flip phones, but
that, you know, it's funny to think about that, because
probably a lot of the stuff that y'all were having to build back
then, you know, server side and that kind of thing. Like
nowadays, you can just like, install an NPM module and is
done, you know, but you have to code all that crap from scratch.
Totally. Well, we also didn't have chat apps, or like, maybe I
CQ. Yeah, but you know, there wasn't, there was no GitHub, no
shared repositories. And you know, one of we would discover
things like, Hmm, maybe it's not a good idea. If you subscribe to
a new podcast, and your app starts downloading all 50
episodes.
You know, the stuff we take for granted. The things that we
learned back in the day, and eventually we'd have to do is
because that would happen. There's no way to kill the
process. He just basically had to unplug your computer. Stop
it.
Good. Good. To Andrew's note, he says thanks. Yo. Thank you, man.
Thanks. And good to hear from you now. Yeah.
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If there's numerology i don't i don't i don't know what it would
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And you're bringing money? No, no, this pod pod verse and what
Mitch is doing that? Yes. Yes. You guys. Wise. Yeah. You guys
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Yeah, yes. He just wants to come back on the show, doesn't he?
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Mitch Downey again No. Hey, wait a minute. Thinking about it.
Martin. How come you aren't given money? This is crazy.
Hey, I'm streaming money to you.
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Same as furniture. Yes.
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Give us $5 Jeremy Cavanaugh give us $10 some dude named Alice
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My part Thank you, Alex. Alex, you got it. You guys gotta quit
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Paul Saltzman $22.22 Wait, where's David Norman disappeared
too. He is gone. But he got a kit. I think I think he's just
basically being a parent. That's not acceptable.
Hey, Paul Saltzman that's another another guy who I know
Oh my God. Paul Saltzman I must know him for 25 years. He was he
Paul Saltzman he let me just see what
he's not the Canadian film producer.
That's not the right Paul sells. Paul's. He's like a consultant
he's salesy, man. Yeah.
It's the pulse ultimate thinking of he's just I mean, this goes
back to Silicon Alley days before 2000 called drop me a
note man, I want to I want to make sure I got the right Paul
in my
As crazy these
The past is coming back. It's like, Hey, we're here. You doing
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our automatic, monthly. And Alex, I appreciate that brother.
Yeah, thank everybody. Thank you all for supporting for
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we ask for is time, talent and treasure. He doesn't have to be
all three Alex Martin, Mitch. David, you know, it doesn't have
to be all three you can just do the time and talent.
But man, is it appreciated? It's keeping the whole project going.
And and you know, it'll become an endowment one day I guess. an
endowment Yeah, well, all the bitcoins all the Bitcoin that we
get stays Bitcoin, we haven't, you know, anything that's come
into the index is just staying in Bitcoin. So that that really
would just, you know, we're going to collect about, I don't
know, $700 in the first year, not even, maybe, maybe six or
$700. We're just going to hold on to it in 10 years, we'll be
millionaires. Yeah, we just leave it like Bitcoin. It's,
it's the same way that colleges get their, their endowment.
Exactly. But I'm, I'm only half joking. Because I really do feel
that way. It's one thing to buy bitcoin and, and hold and huddle
it, and keep it around and see what happens. It's another thing
to be earning Bitcoin, you know it for it to be coming in out of
appreciation of something that, that you did. And it's even if
it's a small little piece, it feels really good. Knowing that
you know, that just leave that in there. We leave that in our
in our podcast, index wallet, and then one day, maybe it'll be
worth something. And in the meantime, more comes in every
minute of every day, is at least a set coming in is so
phenomenal. How's that been for you? For you guys? I mean,
what's your experience? Martin? Alex, when? When you I mean, do
you ever look at it? Or you just look periodically?
Yeah, I mean, I look periodically at it, which was
also why, you know, I discovered that it had stopped working for
I think, 10 days. So
yeah, let's go look at
Martin is important.
Yeah. Now I check a bit more often.
Go ahead, Mark.
No, yeah. So no, but it's, it's interesting to see. And it's
interesting to see the trends that Oh, some days it's like,
oh, double up. And then yeah, I do have the feeling that it
probably coincides with no agenda show dates. But yeah,
it's it's super interesting to see. And I do have this idea of
just transferring it to my own pot friend, wallet. And then you
know, at, at some point, I'll hit like, some
number where I give more than I can stream myself and that
that's when I know it will be a success.
It's so you know, I follow the trends as much as I can. And
since
since I'm looking at the index node, for sure, no agenda,
podcasting. 2.0 is bigger than no agenda on the streaming,
SATs, Telly, it is and guys tales. Tales from the Crypt does
quite well. When Marty releases yesterday, though, or no agenda,
someone did 100,000 SATs boost. That was just Oh, thanks. Oh, it
wasn't because I couldn't see I couldn't see it. My Sphinx is
all messed up. Yeah, he just made black comes into digitally
just blast in 10 times 10 or something. What was he doing?
3333 333 times in a row? Because I looked at the chart. I'm like,
What just happened there? It can't be right. Yeah. And that
when that happens, I love it. How about you Alex? Because
you're getting pieces of
animating no agenda. Yeah, check when it gets released. It's only
usually a few minutes long. So it's not that much. But it is
nice to see I check on when it comes out. The I boost. I mean,
I just boost almost boosted my way through it. It's it's proof
that the whole thing is works.
So I guess the next question is, if if whatever is happening, if
that were times 1000, would it make a difference in your life?
Yeah, definitely. Okay. Well, that's that's the mission.
That's all we have to do. I mean, I just want to cover my
server costs. That's it. Well, of course, but then everyone
deserves to to benefit after the after the costs are out of the
way.
But that's what I see Massey even even times 100 I think
would make a difference for most of us.
make that happen? Yeah. So it was just just more more enabled
apps and you know, the ones Eric comes out of the swamp. You
know, he's he's getting closer to his on ramp.
We're getting more shows to
bloom and blueberry put get new Central and valuable. Oh really?
I've been waiting for that. No, I didn't. Oh, no, in fact, I was
just new media show hasn't updated yet for me but this is a
geek news Central. Okay, I guess he would need to discuss that
with Rob. But I hope he puts that one on there too. Yeah, for
real. I'd be a geek news central is on there. And also, another
big one was dark net diaries. That's a big show. That's a
really big show. And I think some if we can get some more of
these bigger shows that that just helps the whole value blog
ecosystem.
Absolutely. Let me see this is
let me just see a habit here. Huh? Oh, that's the media show
gig new Central. Okay, I'll take a look at that. I'll boost him
up boost his ass. Alex, do you host our show? We'll we'll have
topics is that only native?
We've been going back and forth. His big thing is live streaming.
So
yeah, we've talked about it. Because he's got a podcast,
there's a feed and the index for it.
I think there was a talking about putting this video on
there. Okay, because because I went to listen to watch the
video in pod friend. And it was just like an audio version of
the of the thing. So like if he had a video if he had a video
and a feed and everything threw in a tube
not only you know the value blog to him, you and we we get to
test out the alphabet and closure and all that stuff.
Yeah, once once I the rest of the features for
coming out and so forth. I'm gonna reach out to all those
other guys. So there's a couple people. Okay.
Let's, that's all I got. All right. vote to adjourn and close
the board meeting.
Well, let's go around the table real quick. Alex, anything else
we can do for you? Anything else? You need? Ice cream?
Cookies, hookers? Blow what can we do for you?
Oh, okay. All right. That's all that Martin. Anything for you up
there in the Far North.
And, um, no, I think you're doing enough already. I feel
like yeah, I feel privileged already. Oh, yeah. Now, man, I'm
all good. It's we're all privileged. We're all doing
something phenomenal here. And it's, it's, it's it's the best
the best work I've ever done in my life. I enjoy it so much.
Just being a part of this group, which includes my my partner in
crime. Mr. Dave Jones, how about you anything else? Besides
being able to help you quit your day job? Anything else we can
do? Yeah, you can play.
I so the algorithms that would be more than happy to the
algorithms are running everything at turns out.
Yeah.
Exactly. All right. That's it. Board Meeting adjourned.
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