podcasting 2.0 for June 18 2021, Episode 42 we're all a flutter.
Yeah, it's Friday, you know what that means? Time for a meeting
of the Board. In the only fashion we can do an open source
for podcasting 2.0 everything that's going on in podcasts,
index dot social, some GitHub stuff on the side. I'm Adam
curry in Austin, Texas and in Alabama, the man who can give
you an alternative to your enclosure ladies, my friend on
the other end day, Joe,
in the middle of texting, messaging, Dave Jackson that he
got my rush temples of syrinx donation. on his own, his new
lightning is shiny new lightning node.
You know, this is a that was actually my first topic on the
list for today to tell you Yeah, cuz I had a very pleasant
experience. And I'd like to explain it to you. I've started,
I've started up a number of companies. I took one public in
the mid 90s on NASDAQ. So, you know, I've run big groups of
people. You know, like, 100 in the New York office alone, it's
700 employees, it stuff, everything, developers, you name
it. We all say I'm good at it, but I learned a lot of stuff.
And if podcasting 2.0 and what we're doing here was a company,
it would be so stressful. Because here, you know, so Dave
Jackson School of podcasting, Dave Jackson, old school silver
hair like me, bhogi of the podcasting world. We're having
a, an email thread. And he says, Oh, can you come on school
podcast, and we want to ask you so of course, let's do this. And
he knows exactly what we're up to and podcasting 2.0. And so he
sets about getting set up, I believe in preparation for us
talking about it, which is great because School of podcasting. I
mean, there's history there, you had a bunch of podcasts back in
the early days. And if you wanted to learn how to Podcast,
where everyone knew School of podcasting, you go to school,
Dave Jackson, and he taught 10s of 1000s of people how to
podcast. So if anyone's going to be able to help show us show the
world the way with value for value, even podcasting 2.0
features Dave Jackson's the guy you want to have, and so I'm
like, Oh, this is fantastic. Of course, I want to be on the
show. And then he starts to set up a node, and everything falls
to shit, everything's break in, nothing works. It's the worst
experience of onboarding we've ever had. And it's Yeah, and if
this was a commercial company, let alone a public company or
anything. I mean, I won't say that we're not commercial, but
we're doing this in a very different manner. You know,
we're not getting paid for it. We're, we're building up some
coffers to be able to manage infrastructure and payment
channels, etc. I would have been very mortified, mortified,
mortified, more than agitated you would have been, I mean, we
didn't have but one back and forth text messages during this
entire thing. And hopefully, you had the same like, Wow, it
sucks, but we're just doing what we can do. And we'll get there.
And Dave, of course, Dave Jackson felt that too, I think,
yeah,
it's like 48 hours. Like, the old thing wasn't gonna be done
at two weeks. Yeah, something like that. Yeah,
it'll get there. Like, this is the growing pains of having, at
the end of the process, when you have your own full node, you're
rocking and rolling. I mean, you get you got, you got the best
setup. But it's not always the easiest pathway to get to
know to get there, it can, in fact, be quite painful. And, and
there's ongoing maintenance. And it's like an ex wife, I
talked to Graham, he was helping me sort of diagnose what was
going on. And it was just your way exactly what you would think
about a distributed decentralized system that
nobody's in control of like this is the system of lightning nodes
has to figure itself out like there's nobody there to tell it
what to do. So it has to figure all this crap out itself.
There's not really a DNS, right, it's a graph that is updated.
And then where does that do you know, how the consensus is
reached? So you know, if I add a node, how does that graph get
created? Who's doing the creation is up just by the is
that the? I mean, my my question is the same. How does
that work? It would be in a lead, there's only one way it
could work. Would it be through to let you know, like an
election or a gossip between themselves? So that, as you
know, Graham said, well, the gospel transition, right, he's
like, sometimes it can take a few days, holy crap, to update
the graph. And but I mean, the channel holes are open. So once
the channels are open, you should be able to route. And so
things should begin to work. Now, the only question I have is
whether breeze will work? Because breeze being a lightning
node has to get its, I think it has to get us routing from the
graph. Right. And that's the I'm out there. Now I'm not
well, no, this is where this I actually know if you go to
breeze and you go to the developer menu option, and then
you have your general because it's that's basically an l&d
connect to your talking to your node, which is your breeze
wallet wallets in the foreground. And you add a new
issue or get, you can just type it in get info, hit the little
play button instead of I think return my work too. And then
it'll show sinks graph, false or true. And when you, when you
first start up your breeze app, it can take 30 seconds to a
minute, sometimes before it's completely synced. But as you
point out, I still I had a problem sending sets from breeze
after I'd already been able to send them from the podcast index
node through keys. And boy, is anyone still listening? Is this
still on? Okay, yeah. Anyway, you got it? Yes. Well, that
brings a brings up a larger point, which, which is something
that we're just now starting to understand the lightning
network. Of course, when you're sending a million satoshis, back
and forth, you want big players, big channels, one bow mumbo
jumbo mumbo jumbo channels, and you know, there's fees
associated, you'll still it'll still be great. It'll be very
reasonable these fees. But what we're doing in our own little
micro network, this requires something different. It just
does. And in fact, it is probably better for micro
payments to be working with more custodial solutions for this
very reason. Is, is you know, so Ellen pay as an example, they're
online, you know, so their graph is updated, they're good to go.
Same for podcast apps, is probably until a lot more gets
sorted out is probably better to do a custodial solution. And
we're talking little lower amounts anyway. So there's less
risk unless you're a provider of custodial solutions, and then,
you know, all these little bits can add up, you don't want to
mess it up. But that's what businesses do. Well, you
get a guy like Dave Jackson, who's an old school geek, and
then he's willing to just sort of be like, you know, whatever
this Yeah, this will work itself out and and I'll go check my IP
address on this on this tab, and I'll go check this on this tab.
And it's like, he can get through this thing without much
pain and just sort of you know, figure it out but then you have
you know, average Joe podcaster is not even sure where where his
podcast is hosted. That That guy's gonna really be like brain
explosion. I don't understand what what what the hell's going
on here. So we got you got to have the the what I think what
are we thinking about is like jeans mom route and then the I
love
that this is just a thing. Jeans mom jeans mom on Wikipedia yet
that needs to be afraid. Yes.
Mom experience which actually sounds pretty bad. Just jeans
Mom, I don't want the jeans mama experience.
A little rank. It's like the NASCAR experience. Yeah, so you
know, you get the three to three levels, you get genes, mom, and
then you get the next level up, which is like I kind of
understand what I'm doing. And I'm willing to have the stress.
And then you've got the I really know what I'm doing. And I've
already got my note and I'm good to go. You know, and these are
the three paths that Eric is building. As far as I know.
Yeah. That's why he does what he's described. Yeah. In the GS
mom is clearly the hardest one because that's the one that
takes the most hand holding and custodial pneus Yeah. Like what
was Eric saying the other day is like, we need a semi custodial
solution. Can a custodian Oh yeah, yeah, that was not gonna
that was not gonna pass the muster of the of the lightning
Bitcoin. Yeah. extremists Kraus.
Well, you know, we brought in the big guns. Tina, the keeper.
t. Now, you know, we're moving so she's leaving her current job
in which she's already kind of semi retired. And, you know,
she's, she's been she's always been helping us from day one.
Anything that I write? Certainly, you know, she's
gotten Tina washed a couple of di things. A couple things you
wrote to you know, she she's a communicator, but what's really
nice, I like that term. She washed it. Oh, yeah. This is
called the Tina wash. That's what they call it Ronald
McDonald House Charities. We do run that through the Tina wash
yet. But she also knows how to manage social media campaigns.
You know, PR work with publicist, the whole it's she
she's in the C class, the C suite. And she's like, hey, it
looks like you guys are getting kind of ready. And I'm not going
to let the opportunity to change the world pass me by. So I would
like to join for free. Oh, I like free. Yeah, well, good. I
think that was the thing that was, you know, that was the deal
clincher right there. Yeah. You're hired. Yeah. So for some
of these jeans, jeans mom bit. I think she'll probably be able to
help us a lot. Make dialy work.
I'm looking right now. At the cover of radio eight magazine
volume.
Okay, now that's 30 for you before you say anything. Is it
really is that that picture when I saw it online? I'm like, Oh,
my God. I mean, of all the things we sent. It's horrible.
It is not bad. It's not bad. Oh, okay. Thanks. Would you date
him?
I would not personally date date this person that has covered
this magazine. But I could see. I could see it. Yeah. Yeah, but
the the the pictures in the article itself are those are
great. Yeah, there's no articles good. The best part of the
article? Clearly,
I haven't read the article. So I don't know. I really haven't
seen it. The sidebar from me. On page two. Oh, what does it say?
He felt from the beginning. Let me read it as if I'm in the same
way that I meant it when I pinned it to Ed Ryan. He felt
from the beginning of this project that open RSS podcasting
was on a trajectory to just fade away. If developers stopped
caring about it. Is
this you talking? Or is this a little Oh, you just ranking sexy
man? Like, are you talking about this?
Alright, I keep going that pets don't commitment to a single
vision, give the open podcasting ecosystem features with which to
compete and give developers and podcasters a path to
profitability without the risk of deep platforming is what he
preaches every single time we make a decision. It has made the
whole project a true joy.
Dave Jones, nice. Nice. Thank you. Very nice. Nice. You could
have thrown in a couple things. You know, this visionary? I
mean, you could have done this vision. A few things. Yeah. Next
down, yeah, no, is a very good article. And Ryan, did you
write? Oh, good are good. I'm very happy. Well, so I have the
big keynote interview. fireside chat thing. I think mid July
somewhere. Radio a radio Inc. is is a an important magazine.
Certainly, you know, radio, but you know, all radio, guys and
gals are now podcasters as well. So maybe we'll see a few people
seeing the light like, oh, wait a minute, there's an alternative
path.
Do you have anything to jump right into? Because that I can
kind of jump into something on that. On that note? No, please
do? Is the whole thing of what is a podcast? Ah, yes, yes. This
is it. I mean, I don't I don't really want to beat the horse
too much. Because I mean, it's it, people go round and round
about it. But I do think it's important. I mean, clearly, you
know, anchors, you know, doing their thing with dropping RSS
feeds unless you asked for it and all this stuff. This is this
is the biggest news topic of the moment, as far as I'm concerned.
Do detail. Well. Okay, so
well. And I don't mean to hijack your story. Now. What we're
seeing is big players redefining what we're doing. And I hope
everyone is paid attention. Apple is getting out of the RSS
podcasting game. They are now a hosting company. They've got
subscriptions, they've got the whole thing. They've got the
server, they've got the clients. So they're they're moving out of
the game, and they're still calling that podcast. Spotify is
moving out of the game. They don't care. I mean, just
whatever the reasons for anchor no longer providing RSS, we've
read the vision, we understand RSS is not important. And they
are now calling what they do podcast. So and then also
witnessed the influx of questions from people from weird
places, sometimes, including Kazakhstan, which I'm still
suspicious about. Now I'm very suspicious. I got a question
from caused from a Kazakhstani podcaster and so did James
Cridland, but there was no evidence that it was a form
letter or anything like that. So I was thinking, maybe this is a
board type joke. I don't know what it was, or someone writing
an article. Regardless, there have been other people who've
asked me this question that is a podcast, a podcast if it doesn't
have an RSS feed, and I think it's very important to put our
to plant our flag in the sand, and come up with a name for what
they're doing. In fact, we should call them net casts. net.
That's not a podcast, that's a net cast as Leo Laporte, he'll
back us up. Spotify and Apple are now creating net casts is
not the same.
So I think this is, I would say that this is very analogous to
Sirius XM versus traditional radio. Do you still call it
Rick? Is howard stern doing a radio show? No. I don't think
so. Either. And so and would you say that most personalities and
because I didn't just read this article, I read, I read a lot of
this radio a magazine, and I was curious about radio stuff. And
people in radio, take their profession very seriously.
They're very proud of it. They, they love the history of it, and
they love the what it represents. And I think one
thing that it represents what radio has always represented in
the reason that it's so many old school radio guys, like you get
so starry out about radio. And as soon as daljit can so so
important to them, is that it represents like an openness and
a freedom that you can brought the same thing with, well, just
like ham radio does. The you can roll your message out, you can
you can broadcast your voice into the void into the ether.
And then any body anyone on the other end can pick it up with
any device. Yeah, not that the credit. I don't have to have a
Kenwood model 3207 in order to pick up this one radio station
site and have in fact listeners would that sometimes go through
incredible
feats of performance by stringing up wires outside of
their homes so they could get if they were a little bit outside
of the coverage area.
And you you in this article are telling us a story about when
you were a kid and you got a project set and they in you and
built your own Yes, transmit, transmit that
was the beginning of the Radio Shack 101 projects.
Yeah, and that is that is roughly equivalent to hand
coding an RSS feed. If I can hand code my feed, and post my
audio file. I'm done. And anybody on the other end can
listen to it with any podcast app. That is what podcasting is
podcasting is the ability for any creator, to broadcast to any
receiver, not listener, but to any receiver. Because the the
the ability for anything to receive the broadcast without
having to go through approvals or, or, or be blessed by a
company or any of these things. That is what makes podcasting
just because you take a podcast and play it on a closed
platform. Yes, the the the source of it is a podcast. But
it's just like saying, well, this radio show, we're going to
they're going to rebroadcast it on Sirius XM was only it only
continues to be a radio show in that scenario, because the
source of the thing was a radio show, right? It's not a radio
show, because it's on Sirius. And it's not a it's not a radio
show, because the definition in definition is ambiguous. It just
continues to be a radio show because the source of it in its
DNA was in radio in the same way with podcasting. You can
broadcast it on different platforms, you can stick it on
YouTube and stick it on, you know rumble or some crap like
that. You can stick it anywhere you want to in as long as the
DNA the origin of it is still in the freedom and openness that
podcasting was within Yes, it continues to be you could call
it a podcast. But if that original thing ever goes away,
in a sclusively moves to a platform where you can only
listen to it on that platform. It is not a podcast anymore,
because it's lost. The thing that makes podcasting what it
is, which is freedom, openness, no barriers to entry on either
side. That is It's like It's like AOL versus the internet.
Nobody calls a well, the the internet is they do we tell
them? They're wrong? Yeah. Yep. That's I just, I feel like the
while it may not be worth getting into humongous fights
over it, I don't think it is. I don't really care.
Philosophically, though, I do think it matters. I really do
think it matters. And because, because what podcasting is just
like what radio is represents an idea in an ideal, that is that
is important. The ideal of freedom and openness, and no
corporate, no corporate control over the means of receiving
right. Where and even that is, thank God for progressive web
apps. Because again, that is becoming tighter and tighter,
and it's just going to get worse. What you'd what you what
you what your app can do when you put it in the App Store.
play this. I know, you know, this guy, Adam Christiansen.
Cast. Yeah. Sounds familiar. matte cast has been around for
16 years by the parties. Of course, I know. Yeah. Yeah. He
used to maintain one of the opml nodes for Potter. odd. You know
which one? He said it was. It's in one of these clips. I don't
remember something. Maybe the technology side or the apple
side? Yeah.
Now it's coming back to me. Oh, my God. This is a long time ago.
A long time ago. Sure. Played the clip, Matt cast. Are they
podcast? One? There's a lot of options and things happening.
There's a lot of siloing of podcasts that are going on,
they're starting to like network up and get brought together and
some are moving behind paywalls. And I'm not really sure they can
be termed podcasts anymore.
Oh, yes. Okay. He's the net casts. NET cast. By the way. I
just put it in the one I'm gonna tweet out later. Adam and Dave
doesn't discuss this week's developments on podcast
index.org highlighting the definition of podcast versus
netcast. I'm just claiming it now. I'm just going to claim it.
I don't care like it. Yeah, no, why not? It has a history. Oh,
that's what it was that Lee Oh, yeah, he looks pretty corporate
netcast. Got it. I see. I want to attach netcast to that face.
Well, he can do net casting 2.0. That's right. That's right. an
anchor. Yeah, play play the second part of that. So
podcasting is definitely changing. And I you know, I just
wonder if the definition of what a podcast is needs to be
rethought in the age of, Hey, I'm going to take my show to
Spotify. And the only way you can get it is from Spotify and
being on Spotify? Is it really a podcast at that point? I don't
think really it is, I think, as a Spotify show, and that's fine.
There's nothing wrong with that. But let's not call it a podcast
because I think my interpretation of podcast is
something that's open and free and available on a feed and
available through all of the services and maybe that's wrong
in the modern definition of a podcast, but I don't think it
is. I don't know. Well, okay.
When I don't like the even contemplating a modern
definition of podcast. And I know Dave Winer would agree with
me, it's not a podcast if it doesn't have a freely available
mp3 feed. RSS feed. That's it.
And I think that's that what he just expressed, it's not it's
it's not a podcast, unless it's
right. But he but what he said there was I I'm not quite sure
about the modern definition. No, no. And people don't get to
change everything. They can change all kinds of words, but
like deprecating, you know? I'm not blaming him, but it's true
people are trying to this is exactly my point. They're trying
to redefine the term YouTube podcast. No, it's not. that's a
that's a YouTube video, the
the art I think we need to remember what anchor is because
anchor is really the one that's this sort of like blowing this
old thing up. I mean, yes, Apple over there, you know, Apple was
subscriptions or whatever. But the anchor really is at the
heart of the whole issue because they're now pipelining shows
into into Spotify without a feed, but and so a couple things
on that. Number one, when they announced when I first I saw
that they were going to not automatically create an RSS
feed. I said hallelujah force, that they're not going to create
an RSS feed for every Tom, Dick and Harry that picks up the
phone and And makes us and makes an episode. Because that really
is it's like not, it's just space junk. It really is just
space debris at this point, the polluting the entire ecosystem.
And there's, you know, a million feeds that you could parse that
you get get rid of out of anchor, and nobody would ever
even know they were gone, right? It's just, it's really, it
really is just just space junk. So my first reaction was, Oh, my
God, this is wonderful. Can they do this sooner? You know, the
other thing the other part of it was? Well, they're gonna
continue to pipeline shows into, into Spotify. And I think some
people took that as like, maybe not playing fair or they're
going to somehow have an advantage, or they're trying to
silo and that kind of thing that I think I agree with some people
who said this is most likely our response to Apple cutting off
that, you know, that pipeline and I don't think they would
have done this voluntarily. But I think more importantly, I like
that too. I love it. Create direct your people into Spotify.
Make that the the silo the walled garden where all their
all your shows live, and watch yourself die. Watch your entire
business collapse. Because that's, that's what the
inevitable result is.
I believe you're correct. Which is why I do the bat the hill,
I'm willing to die on us for the definition of podcast because
I'm just not gonna let them take that just not going to is
bullshit. Yeah. So you know, their strategy is clear. Joe
Rogan 100 million dollars Sophia with an F now 660 $60 million.
By the way, where's the where's the lefty goon squad? This is
clearly inequitable misogyny at play. Why does the woman get
paid last? Oh, yeah. I never even thought about that thing.
You didn't hear anyone complained about that? Okay, all
I heard was Highest Paid woman. Wow. Isn't that the exact
opposite of what everyone preaches? Isn't it supposed to
be just Highest Paid podcaster? Anyway,
talk about lowering the bar. This is the highest paid woman
that supposedly a good thing? Yeah, like, I mean, come on that
like, if if Joe Rogan can get $100 million? Daddy can get 100
million easy. Exactly, exactly. It's TMZ. Spotify is becoming
TMZ of podcasting,
which will be very successful for certain markets. And for
very few content producers. It's how it always works. You cannot
monetize the entire network. You just can't. It doesn't work. It
becomes very annoying. People don't know, aren't getting their
piece. It's not fair. But we've seen it happen many times. But
they do have a lot of money to market. And if they're just
going to say all the best podcasts aren't any I'm just not
going to allow that. I don't know how I'm going to stop it.
But I'm not gonna allow it. I won't have it dammit. And I
would like to say to the hosting companies. I know that there. I
think there's some Jubilee there. I was listening to new
media show. And I heard Robin Todd like, Yeah, that's great.
It's great. It's great. But please be careful. They are
showing a path. And that path is a big carrot. Which says come on
over here, you could make 60 $65 million. Or if you have a penis
$100 million. Oh, yeah, come over here. We're fantastic. And
people will go. And they will not, you know, be alerted to the
fact that there's no RSS feed. And they will only promote the
fact that they're on Spotify to their audiences. So I don't
think it's anything to be jubilant about. I agree with you
that as long as we can show the alternative and how successful
it is, and how the ecosystem is thriving, which it is that
people who were very serious and who matter Well, yeah, they can
graduate from courses, Mr. microphone, which is what I'm
calling Spotify, they can graduate from an ad to to the to
the big boys show where you know where we walk on the edge and
sometimes you fall off and it breaks and people listeners and
producers work together and then build things together and make
things better and support flows. And it's it's just like mastodon
you know, if you look at all the social media traffic out there
it's a very, very small fraction, I guess of Facebook
and Twitter and Instagram. But it's, it works just as well
actually works better because it's not algo wise, etc. In our
case, either with mastodon or load the podcast index out
social no agenda, social calm. You know, it's active, it's
really good and, and there was a problem, I can't remember
exactly what it was but I got an email from another admin from a
very big server and said, Hey, it looks like some of our stuffs
being blocked Here, have a look and we do something wrong here.
Really, the same open source nature that we see in this
project was around podcasting. 2.0 everyone's competing, but
everyone's helping and just trying to make things better.
And over time, it's going to be the place is I see a changing,
you know, everyone's bored. Who's bored with the old
systems? They're not fun anymore. If you're on the left,
there's no one to yell out on the right because they're all
gone off the platform. You know, it's just hyper overreaction
hyper. Yeah, just everyone's triggered. It's like It's like a
bad party drug. And so with podcasting as well, you know,
people God, man, I want to listen to a Joe Rogan Episode 10
minutes of ads that I couldn't fast forward through. He used to
be able to fast forward that's the beauty of podcast
advertising. Okay, I'm here. That was That was horrible. And
then a mid roll somewhere.
You're gonna have to fight through the same thing with the
with Sophia with an F. Now,
yes, to get you to get your fix. So I just want to say I think
that the faster and while the fast I think can always be
faster, I'm very impatient. But the more we can expose
podcasting 2.0 to your clients, the and I think this is a big
part of what I want Tina to help us work on. Besides, you know,
that helping podcasters on ramp and genes Mom, I want podcast
index, to use at least some of its funds to be promoting the
apps. We need to be promoting fantastic experiences with these
apps. No one has a budget. You know, so I think that's one of
the that's where we can really put our money. Certainly this in
the start phase is to get people to, to know that hey, you know,
try a new app. That's why import and export of opml is very
important. Make it easy for people to try something Oh, let
me just export my and you should tell them that, hey, if you're
just trying this out, you want to import your subscriptions.
You don't know you don't lose your other app if you want to
use that. Those and new podcast apps calm everybody.
Good. Good segue into this. I've got a see what this clip is
called.
Wait a minute, do we not want to play number three where he
mentions us? Because that's the one I've been staring. That's a
long clip. Oh, okay. All right.
Is it? How long is that? 234 year right, that's long. Yes,
long. We'll do that another time. I need to chop it up
there. Um, let's see place shortwave cicada description.
But they all look pretty similar. So they've got these
bright red eyes on top of this black body with bright orange
wings. So you're immediately struck by how conspicuous this
organism is. It's also larger than most insects. It's
sometimes about two inches long.
Okay.
So the this is NPR with a podcast called shortwave. And
he's describing a cicada. And the whole thing is about brewed
tin. Yes. root x. Yes, of course. Yeah. brewed x. So he's
describing the brewed x. He's describing this Qaeda and blah,
blah, blah. And there's no chapter art. Oh, oh, no. Yeah.
And I was listening to this with my daughter last night. And I
thought he's describing this thing. I want a picture, I want
a picture of this thing. I want a picture of a showing a map of
when, when they emerge after 17 years, and when they emerge
after like 13 or five different things, or I can't I couldn't
see the map. And I want to I want this stuff. And so like
this is the this is the perfect example. And people you said
people are bored, you know, like, give them something new.
It's time to give them new things. podcast addict. pod
friend, Josh, hyper catcher. They all support chapter art.
Now the breeze areas in Marco's working on putting cloud
podcasting people know cloud based chapters, JSON chapters
into overcast. There's no all the production side of
podcasting, NPR.
That'll be that'll be so huge when Marco puts it in.
Yes, Stacy, if you're listening, get your guys to start putting
chapter art in there because it is. It is a multimedia
experience. pleasant experience. Yes, you're completely in the
car. It's fantastic when you see chapters change and then It'll
blow people's mind if they've never seen it before on an like,
imagine. So imagine that somebody who's addicted to NPR
podcast, they are on a you know, they're on a modern app. And
they and then all the sudden they're listening to a thing
about cicadas and brood tin. And boom, there's pops up the
cicada. You can even say take a look at your screen. You'll see
it right now. And there's a link to more information. Oh, no.
Yeah. And it will blow their mind. Yeah. This is the time.
This is the point in time to take this tech and put it in
front of, of normal people. Instead of just geeks. It's to
that point, it's that easy. Now it's to that ease of use level.
And it really will jazz people up like crazy.
I agree. That's, I've seen nothing but these types of
comments. I was using podcast addict. And all of a sudden I
saw the art change. See, this is someone who just uses the app
and didn't even know that was coming and was baked in and just
had that that surprise, like, Oh, my God. It's delightful.
It's delightful. Well, we saw a new app. We were given a video
demo. We put under some or some kind of hush, hush. Don't talk
about it with this, or we're not a friendly one. Yeah. Well,
there's another app coming and this is flutter stuff that
people are building in.
Yeah, that must be that's that's the hot new thing that I guess
because you can build for like multiple platforms all at once
again. I think there's Google based I think there's a Google
developed a really Lang framework. Yeah.
But people seem to like it because you can. From what I
understand, you can roll out cross platform pretty easily
isn't. pod friend. Isn't Martin using that as well now, but he
was using flutter.
Now he's in react. flutter flutter is what anytime players
built on
O is very uses. Right? Right. Right. Hmm. Interesting. Yeah,
it's just cool to see more apps coming more people integrating
his pod versus not doing value for value as well. Are they
still not? Not? It's?
It's in there. But I think he said they're gonna keep it in
testflight until until we can get a better on on ramp
experience for ln PE.
Yeah. Did you see what happened with breeze? data channel close
right now not? Well, they had that happen? The problem. So
they submitted a new version to the App Store. And you know,
they're working on the web lm and ln URL. So it's all part of
kind of the same thing. It's all these API's that you can use
interacting with a web browser, which is built into their
product. And if you go to the app section, all of that is
basically ln URL or web lm. Just you know, you can't enter a URL
and go somewhere else in the browser, but it is, for all
intents and purposes, a browser. And they had added the ln
roulette app as an example. Yeah, that was not a good idea.
Oh, no gamble rejected it a Google Play. I'm sorry, Google
Play rejected it. Why? Because it has a game of chance in there
with paid money. Well, ln roulette, yeah. It's a great
example of how it works. But you can't do that according to their
app store rules. And I'm sure Apple is exactly the same.
I wonder why you say so they don't allow gambling gambling?
No, no,
not not unless they're getting a cut, I guess. Hmm. And this was
something that there was a tweet thread. someone asking, Hey,
gonna put value for value in podcast addict and podcast. I
was like, No, we can't do that. We'll get kicked out of the
Google Play Store. And I said, well, and here I was like, well
breezes in there. Two days later, like, I Jinx that shit.
Yeah, good job. Yeah. Sorry, Roy. I didn't mean I didn't mean
it. Oh, no, that's just what I'm saying this to say, to point out
that the end is coming. Yeah, the end is coming with this
stuff. And that will be the final frontier. When we push. We
nudge users towards alternative operating systems. And Android
is the most obvious case because it's not all that hard these
days to load some alternative onto your, onto your device. So
you can at least get some of the alternative App Store options
that are out there. Like f droid and all Yeah, yeah, sure. Well,
there's, and there's even one that you can use on graphene,
which somehow spoofs like a Google Play connection and makes
an app that you then use think that it's connected to Google
Play. I don't use those but it does work.
You know, so Brees is on iOS. testflight, though Yeah, True.
True. Is Are there any apps that are doing lightning payments?
that are on the actual app store and not in testflight?
Oh, yeah, I believe so. I believe so. But there's certain
things like blue wallet got kicked out for essentially the
same reason they put in a web browser. And even a web browser
is a problem. You can't just put a web browser into an app into
the App Store. You got to jump through all kinds of hoops and
provide assurances. And I mean, it's all it's also compromised.
It's, and this is, I was hearing about, oh, Apple's going to
release iMessage on Android. Like, you're going to have such
a degraded piece of crap experience. And this is this
have to understand something about Apple is never going to be
an apple podcast for Android. Their whole direction now is
we're opening this huge vaulted door for you to come in. And
then you're in and now we're we are actually I think, I think I
have it but I have a sound effect for that. I like that one
better. No, I like that one. No, it's not good. No, this this is
what it sounds like once you enter the apple ecosystem.
And when you go in, Tim Cook is on the other side of the room
with pray hands. Yes, pray hands. Exactly.
And they are they're promising you. The AOL model, safety,
security, it's okay, here. Look, here, these podcasts. They are
there's Bitcoin here. They're safe. There's no Bitcoin. By the
way, this subscription stuff is getting kind of funny. Because
I'm hearing some producers starting to moan a little bit
like, Okay, I got 15 people subscribing. And now I actually
have to do this special episode for them at once a week. Yeah.
And, and and, and you know, that Patreon has some of those
similar issues, you really do have to continue because you're
making you're creating a an agreement to promise to produce
an apple even set up front, you know, if if you're not
fulfilling your promise of whatever you said you do for the
subscription, you know, we have the right to, you know, stop it
and kick you out and flog you and whatever else.
I mean, you know, I've never done a weekly, I've been on
podcasts every now and then over the years for just, you know,
one off things once a year, something like that. Do the
experience of doing this show with you. doing a podcast every
Friday is a lot of work. Oh, it's actual work? Yeah, sure.
Yeah, it's not something you don't just wing it, you have I
mean, I have to sit down every Thursday night, and collect all,
you know, collect all the all my papers, collect all my clips,
highlight, I mean, I've just got a, I've got a stack of
paperwork, and it takes me a couple of hours, minimum, to
just to bring it together. And that's in addition to collecting
little bits of information and writing my thoughts all
throughout the week. I mean, if you if you're committing to
that, so that you can get a subscription, maybe you're
committing yourself to a lot of work. I mean, the other way of
doing it the value for value model, where you just say, Look,
I'm going to give you my best effort, and you give me whatever
value you get in return in response. Man, that's a whole
lot easier than committing up front.
My experience in general, is if any, if you know someone say
well, what should I think about I'm starting a podcast, pick a
day, release your podcast every single time consistently on that
day, if you can around the same time. And then the second part
is, get a newsletter together together. You have to remind
people to listen to them. That's like no agenda. That's a full
time job. It really is. I mean, I don't know how to do that two
shows a week. Well, six hours a week. That is so much work. Well
Dave, the reason for that is, in large part due to you and the 10
years that we work together to build the freedom controller.
The freedom controller makes my life possible with this with
what I do. It really does in the whole all all my shows, but in
particular no agenda. It all runs through that. It's like
having an extra producer who just has all the stuff it's you
know, it's all outline base, all opml you're done with the show,
you flip a switch, it's the show notes. It's a genius product.
I'm so happy for all five people who are using it. And that's how
that's how we were we met we that's what we were working
together. building this product, if anything is is our legacy.
All five of us are just really really happy. But that's it.
Speaking of production tools and that kind of thing, we have a
cast upon instance. Oh, hold on. Oh, no. What was that? Oh,
I saw the post. I like I'm just going to be quiet. And and
here's here is here's another magical podcasting 2.0 moment.
So I see Benjamin Benjamin belly Ben Bellamy, Pat Casta pod. So
he said, okay, what's up incidence got incidence, and
you're like, put it on, whatever. So you guys are
working like holy shit we're getting, we're getting a cast
apart. And then I ping you, I say, can we use this for the
shows? And like, yeah, I'm importing our feeds right now.
And the next thing you send is a screenshot, which was just so
beautiful. That said, We're sorry, the lock tag is in place
on this feed, you know, you need to change that at the source. We
cannot go onboard you onto this platform. It was great. It was,
I was like, holy shit, that's so cool. The first thing we did
works is like the software's like, go away. Now, let me
actually I want to bring that up, open up signal here. It was,
it was the actually I liked the message too, because it could
have just said go away. But it was the exactly the right tone.
Hold on a second. Let me see.
Yeah, something like you're gonna have to, you're going to
have to unlock this before we can go forward or something.
Well,
I wanted to compliment Benjamin on it, actually, you know,
because sometimes nuances like, you know, the way I sound in
French can be the way a French man could sound in English, but
here it is, this feed is protected. You cannot import it
if you are the owner unprotect it on the origin platform. So I
like it in its beauty of it being not the way a Native
American or English speaker would would write this, but
it's, it has the right balance of, Hey, you know, this is
safety. And if you're the owner, we did this for your safety, you
know, take off the condom unprotected on your original
platform. Yes. Well done.
So he, when I was back and forth with him set it up, he said, I
told him, I was like, Well, you know, we want to pay, you know,
pay for the hosting or whatever, you know, whatever is gonna cost
you and he says, he said, Now the French socialists are paying
for us, and they need to worry.
I always knew socialism and capitalism could work together.
And here we are. Here we are proving once again. You're not a
podcast, you have an RSS feed and socialist funding. That's
right. Freedom, openness, socialism. Alright, so where are
we at with that? You said something set up, obviously.
Yeah, it's, it's set up and then I know, promptly had to show
prep last night and haven't touched it. haven't touched it
since. So it's my project for this weekend. Oh, man, that's
so excited. Because now they have implemented so many of the
tags, right? I mean, they're, they're up to date on
everything. I
think. We said he couldn't give it to us before now. Because
they did a big they did like a refactoring. Like a big rewrite.
I saw that. Yeah, yeah. So he said, it should be good now and
moving forward, they'll have like ease, it'll be much more
easily able to upgrade it. So cool.
I am so excited and so thankful. This is since we started this
project, the biggest frustration which I got over and you know,
Martin jumped in with the RSS generator was that we couldn't I
couldn't eat our own dog food like I need to be doing this
need to be creating this stuff. And I think just the hard
pushing is what God is the chapter creations and you know,
Mitch over there. I'm sorry, David had hyper catcher and
hyper catcher studio. And then of course my true evil plan,
which was no these have to be community chapters. Community
being the word for Who can I trick into doing this format
dribs Dred Scott, who's throwing man he's now he's doing
Photoshop work. He's got I saw the rooster. Miami, Rooster art
pop up this. This is what I mean. This is so cool. I love
this ad thinking that and you tell me if I'm wrong, but I'm
thinking that drips God can turn chapter curation into a full
time job into a business. Absolutely. He could do that for
like 20 different podcasts as a freelancer and probably make
good money doing it.
Well, wasn't it wasn't a Tim from Ellen pay, who said who's
Dred Scott? No, no, no, he said who's Neal Jones that's how Neal
Jones right but but they both have the same Same amount.
interests like, Hey, who's this Neal Jones guy? He is getting
some serious simplicity. He has some serious as a clue custodian
over no agenda. He's like that guy's making bank. Oh, God. No,
I think Dred Scott, though, I mean, that's for real like you
can this is a new. So this is a new I mean, obviously okay
chapters aren't new. But the idea of being able to cloud,
your cloud based chapters where you can edit them without having
to touch the audio file, you can edit them as a separate entity
that is new is this is this that I was using this term now cloud
chapters, because this is something that I like it to add,
because it's trendy. I mean, cloud,
why don't we say blockchain chapters? Yeah. It's d phi
chapter. Yeah. Oh, by the way. The one other thing I just want
to say before I forget, I know that Roy told us that Brees is
working on integrating matrix chat, there seems to be some
consensus amongst the group. Let's push this, if we can show
that we have chat, comment, whatever the feature is, between
podcast apps, we win, we win much quicker than the podcast
versus netcast war, we win, connecting our apps makes us
win. And that would be so beautiful. Yes. Amazing. And I
even saw someone say that you couldn't incorporate a payment
in a matrix message. I don't even care. Let's just if we can
do the cross app communication, when that has when written all
over it for everybody. And I think it's easy. You know, if
the server needs to be set up, I'm speaking on your behalf
Dave, but I'm sure you agree. We'll set up a server, it
whatever needs to be done. This is an incredibly, this would
blow. This is our summer project. As far as I'm
concerned, we got a lot of things in the hopper. But if we
can kind of and I'm talking to the app developers, I think it's
something that is very doable. And you come out of the habit of
apple or Spotify, they're all going on vacation. This is what
I always liked about MTV. During the summer, when there was just
no television, it was all reruns. And now it's hard to
imagine for some of you, but it was rerun, rerun, rerun, and was
boring that Saturday Night Live would be rerun. And MTV just
went full hardcore with spring break, obviously. But just
whatever we could do special programming, special features,
whatever it was during the summer, and radio stations do
that too. You know, it's a very popular thing to do with
scrappier industries, because you get people's attention when
it's there for the taking.
You push when you push hard when the other guys are taking a nap
exactly when they're out on Long Island. Exactly. Yeah. I like
Exactly. Like it will spin up a snap server. I think that's what
they're they're sort of official, quote unquote,
implement reference implementation of matrix. Yeah.
Maybe we can figure out how to get the figure out how to get
the EU to pay for it.
Well, speaking of the EU, and I have a little bit of a gripe
with the well, with Cridland specifically, I think was
journal journalism in general. Well, James had a question. I
think Sam Sethi may have been in this as well, about a license
tag for content included in the podcast. And I, you know, I
initially I think we talked about this on, and we talked
about this on a previous show. Yeah, with the license tag.
Yeah, yeah. So I initially misunderstood. And the reason
why, and this is something that is just my personal gripe, if
you're doing a story, because that's what this was, that James
was paying attention to thinking about or actively writing a
story about the new GDPR regulations that went into
effect in the EU. Oh, yeah, heard about that about the
music's right. So instead of saying, Hey, you know,
something's changing, here's what's changing. Here's a
possible solution, coming to the group and saying, Can we do
this? I just wasted everyone's time. Because I didn't know
this. I didn't know that this was changing. And what is
changing is the liability of copyright. If and so let's just
say music. It could be anything. If a podcast uses music in its
podcast, then the hosting platform, the holster will be
liable for that. And the idea is not just Hey, we issue a
takedown, you've got to take it down. You really need to scan
these things beforehand. To make sure it never goes up, which
would increase costs and, and really fuck everything over.
Because the systems, you know, they'll pick up anything. I
could be singing happy birthday and you know that's licensed.
Yeah. So that's just a slight gripe, if you're working on a
story now I promise I won't run to to another outlet and say
I've got a great story. Help us understand because I now there's
more to think about. Now I have some context around the
question. Okay, because now I hear all done. I've been talking
about like, I didn't know this
was I didn't understand that either. Until I think I was
listening to pod land last night. Yeah,
we got it. Yes. What? And I heard it on the new media show
as well. Okay.
Yeah. Yeah, no, I didn't understand. I don't see how
that's
irrelevant how that's enforceable? Well, it's
irrelevant. It tells us one thing, there is only one way out
of this. And it's important because I want our partners in
crime to hear this. The alternate enclosure, which is
now completed and even implemented, I think will become
more important than ever, with undisrupted gL posting
solutions, such as IP Fs, because it's not about being a
pirate. It's about being harassed. It's about the
harassment that will go to hosting companies that will go
to podcasters. You know, and we've seen AWS, you know,
someone complained about something on a page that I that
I was hosting in a bucket. And you know, it's a whole Hey,
what's this problem? You know, is it bad content you're linking
to or whatever, these things will happen. And eventually,
they can go all the way up or down the network stack, and they
can take you down, except if we have something that you just
kind of can't take down.
Play. Todd, alternate enclosure, no support yet. And this is from
Todd on the meteor show. You know, they just approved the alt
enclosure tag yesterday. finalized it. I you know, I
don't know where I sit with that one to be kind honest. Yeah.
because nothing's supporting it. There's no, not an app. Well,
maybe some of these apps that you're talking about, but you
know, there's not a lot of support out there for it. Oh,
I'm so sad to hear this. I don't like I mean, that's, that's
what's kept us back for over a decade Todd.
The everything new doesn't have support yet. But very quickly,
pod LP, then podcast addict, peer tube, Martin net pot
friend. They're all this is this is this is happening.
This is happening. Yes, very fast. And we have content
creation. James Cridland himself has used it in a different
fashion but with alternate alternate bandwidth levels,
which is one of the reasons he pushed for it and very
appreciative of that.
Yeah, I think I was disappointed to hear it to hear that because
that that is not
as defeatist man that's defeatist. You're Navy man,
Todd, come on. Snap to it, sailor.
Okay, so play Todd, ultimate enclosure, five different feeds.
And this is just a misunderstanding that I want to
correct. You know, we've done we've been down this road
before, it's like we're reinventing the wheel. I
remember when I had a, our, our version of this show on my show,
a bit torrent version of my show, I two versions of mp3 for
my show. So I had five feeds, right, with five different
versions of the show, and you know, how much work that was?
Just to publish them all? Yeah, you know, is,
you know, re encode re encode re encode didn't get, you know, get
a bit torn up, get a tracker started.
Yet, so this, this is this is a mess. He is misunderstanding
what this tag is?
What actually fixes that very problem.
Yes, this tag fixes that whole issue. You don't have to have
five feeds anymore. You You have one feed, in within every
episode, you can list multiple alternate enclosures. One of
them could be a bit torn, one of them can be a low bandwidth, one
of them could be a video, one of them, and one of them could be
an alternate language on on and on and on the the so that solves
Problem number one, you don't have to have separate feeds.
Problem number two, the reencode reencode is easily solved these
days. That's not a technical hurdle. And that's not a manual
process anymore. You could you can create an engine Cridland is
doing this right now.
From Hindenburg, it outputs that stuff almost automatically, I
think,
yeah. Or you could have into your CMS workflow, you could
have a pipeline, that when you drop the file in there, it spits
out it uses FFmpeg, or some other scriptable, audio
transcoder to just automatically populate those things that is
just not a problem anymore. And platforms like St. St. Without
BFS, our, our weekly feed dump for ipfs. I don't I never touch
it. It's an as an automated process, it it, dumps everything
out of the database, and then goes through and generates the
sequel lite file on the fly, and then automatically publishes it
to ipfs then automatically pins it to ipns. That is a complete
as a cron job doesn't make you never doesn't make your coffee
after that. I love cron jobs that end with coffee. Yeah,
it's, it's a beautiful thing. And then at the end of it, you
know, every the whole world gets a podcast database. And how
many, how many gigabytes is that? Oh, it's got to be over a
gig now.
And we have no idea how many accesses that gets or anything
other than people complaining when it doesn't work. Once a
month, the ipfs daemon crashes, and reboots. So no, this is not
a problem. But I'm, I'm famous for being 10 years too early,
which is why I'm not a billionaire, but I'm very happy
man. hosting companies will have to provide this type of
solution. And and I'm just saying, Be prepared there. Apple
and Spotify are hosting privately their take, they are
going to try and take people away. And then the regulation is
coming at us from the other end. So it will be better just to at
least remain the the the tool people, which is really where
most of the focus goes now is you know, oh, it's libsyn five,
it's captivate two, whatever everyone's doing, with
buzzsprout, picking that up very clearly, from the beginning.
Like more tools, more tools, make it easy, get all the stuff
in there, I wasn't even listening to the captivate guys,
you know, they're they're looking at what they call
telling stories around data, which is a nice way of saying
analytics statistics, understanding what you're doing.
So these are all very valuable things that you're creating,
don't hold on to the hosting part, make, let's let's get some
of this stuff going. Honestly, I
think the first post to come out of the gate and not, and come up
with a way to not charge for hosting is going to be a big
win. Because then you can drop, then you can drop your prize,
still have an incredible tool set, and CMS production pipeline
for podcasting. And you can beat people on price. So you know, if
you have a way to sort of take the hosting element out of it,
like you could say, and what I mean by that is I'm going to
describe something, let's just say that I know. RSS comm
they're big on microservices, they've renamed engineered their
whole system to use a, you know, a modern, published modern
framework internally. And so let's just imagine that, that
they created a look, another tier of podcasting, where you
can say, okay, for this class of customer, they're going to put
their stuff on ipfs and distributed that way. Or some
other or web torrent or some other medium protocol. And we're
not going to charge them hosting fees because they're we're not
hosting their files and using that, but we're going to charge
them eight bucks a month for the for the tools and the CMS in the
past. It's also the biggest
complaint I see if people saying Well, those guys charged by the
amount of time those guards just charged by storage, those guys
charged by amount transferred. It's the number one complaint
it's always the because the more successful you are, the more you
have to pay people hate that.
Anybody can roll like I can roll a min IO server today and store
our mp3 is in there. But and then, but the problem and that
takes care of all the you know have cheap bandwidth at that
point. But then you don't have a toolset. You don't have a
production pipeline or work right. Right. So you still want
to pay for something that that's the value. Yes, the the store
the file storage is commoditized. The value that
people get is from the toolset.
Everybody has their own USP how they want to present it Yeah, I
mean to me, you know, is there an equivalent on linode? Or? Or
maybe? I should probably just stay out of this. I mean, it
seems like Casta pod is such a beautiful solution if you could
give like, the jeans mom setup. Yeah, yeah. Which is probably
just not gonna happen. Yeah, you need to you need to work for
freedom. It's geeky.
Yeah, yeah. It's geeky that man, it's like the Dave Jackson,
lightning node. I mean, can you get to work for us? You know,
with the whole on your own your own system, you know?
Yes. Also, we now have a big channel that we've opened to
Ellen pay. Lightning channel, lm pay has an even bigger channel
to breeze. So this is this is where some of your donations are
going towards not the money is not gone. But we've essentially
locked it up in liquidity to help. And we're setting this,
you know, the fees to zero. So we can just get people's stuff
flowing easier. And that's great on that note. Yes, we should
probably thank people for that.
Yeah. Okay. Wait, let me get my donations here. I forgot. Oh,
Todd. That's what I meant by all those things. Is that if this
thing solves your problem, yes. Alternate enclosure solves your
problem. So you should be a fan. Same Same goes for pod Ping. Oh,
yeah, I sent a sent a email to pod bean. To get the lady's
name. Now. I said, Daniel J. Lewis got get me a contact over
there and checked it out. And he said she's fine with you just
send an email, send an email to her about pod paying long email
and explaining everything how it worked. Earlier in the week in
radio silence. So
how about how about NPR? Are they? I know they have a key to
do it. Every Seattle? No. Have we seen them ping yet? Not yet.
Oh my god, that'd be so cool. I mean, pod ping dot watch is no,
of course. It's not the entire ecosystem. But there's a lot of
active feeds on on the top hosts that we already have, who are
implementing this, but that's so fun to watch. And we just add
some NPR spice in there that I would feel so good.
Is the is the fish tank of podcast? Yes. And it's the
future. The future. Let's see who got here. Ah, right off the
gate. I mean, what is it right off the bat? I mean, Dave
Jackson School of podcasting. $50 Oh, really? He doesn't. He
said,
it's like getting paid. You go on their show and they pay you
That's good. Well, they pay they pay the project. That's that's
really the the beauty of it.
Thanks to Adam for coming on the School of podcasting and today
for helping a crypto clueless dude navigate the waters of
podcasting. 2.0 when I record the audio version of my book
profit from your podcast, this will be bonus content go
podcast. Oh, very nice. Yeah, I'm, I'm talking to Dave in a
couple hours. Actually. We're doing the episode. You doing it
today? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. You get a for Friday, my friend. Yeah.
And then tomorrow I'm doing Tom woods. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, I've
been on there and a couple years. Yeah. And then on Monday,
Michael malice. Michael malice. That's a new one. Well been on
there beforehand. No,
I have not. I have not we've we've banded back and forth for
years, I think and we finally got a coordinated and he's got a
huge audience. So no, does he know Yeah, yeah. Yeah. When I
said Michael malice, Tina, when she if she knows, she knows what
was What's happening? Is she cheating on the poor boy with
Michael malice? You know, the poor boys fall out of favor a
little bit. But she she likes to show me his empire that he's
building because he is he is understanding that he has to
change his ways. And he's going a value for value route. Not
with open, open support, you know that you determine the
value yourself. So that's Yeah, I know. And I know people have
told him value for value. And many people have said, you know,
get out of on the show and I'm not getting invited. So I don't
know why. Maybe I'm not interesting for him. They don't
like you. possum. I can't be liked by everybody. Oh, and of
course the RT were there with Max that aired on television.
Yes. That was that was a great segment. That was really good.
Thank you. It's got a little messy at the end. I realized
because the sound was so loud there but it wasn't loud in my
through the lav mic. It sounded like I was yelling a lot or
speaking very loudly and get that at all. Well, it was really
good. Well, here's how it works in the current household. So
we're watching this and I say, Oh, this is pretty good. And oh,
look, I didn't have as much Tourette's as usual. Okay, that
looks pretty good. And then Okay, Han yelling a little bit.
And then Tina will say, Yeah, I'd like to review this with
you. We'll just walk through it and talk about some of the
points if you're hitting on all the, as I said, I think you can
even you know, bring it together a little more. She knows what
she's talking about. You get a you get an employee performance
evaluation is what you get on the spot. That's right here. I'm
getting a review. But it's meant to improve my performance. So
I'm happy. I'm happy it will make everything better. But I
agree. It was it came out of my mouth. Better than usual.
The Yeah, no, I thought his WHAT HE WAS MAC started going off on
to algorithmic music and how they're like, yeah, that gave me
a bright red jacket right into your brain. That's
right. had to take him we're not No, we're gonna do this value
block splits just to get me away from the mind control. It's
wrong show max wrong show.
But I liked it though. Of course, the drag me. I was right
on board as I Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. But thank you, Dave
Jackson. Yeah. Joshua Britton gave us $50. no note from
Joshua. I can't find one. Thank you very much, Joshua. Well, no,
no, no. That was completely wrong. I do have a note from
Joshua. I get my papers backwards. Okay. Joshua did
write us a note. He addresses it to the members of the board. Oh,
no. Pay attention. today. After hearing that episode 81 of Brett
Weinstein's Dark Horse podcast was removed from YouTube. I
didn't hear about that. Yes, as Doug was talking sense, okay.
I'm not sure I know. I've heard this name a bunch wants to Bret
Weinstein, but I don't know who it is.
Well, he was the guy at Western University who got run out of
the university because he refused to go away on blacks
only day. And, and so he and his wife Heather, who's also a
professor, Doctor, whatever, they do a very, it's very
intellectual. But they do get to the root of a lot of things. And
so here he was talking about, he's a evil evolution, no
biologists, professors. He does understand stuff like virology.
And so he had another guy on they were talking about
ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. Oh, no. So
that had to be removed from YouTube. Now, is he the guy they
get run out of clubhouse? Yes, yes. Yeah. He's a little
pretentious. He and his wife and they talk like this, like, Well,
you know, obviously is this is how it goes in biology. Right.
And I was right when I was that I have such a little tolerance
for that. In Okay, well, there's an audience Dave, there's an
audience.
He was removed from YouTube, as he predicted as I decided to
grab a copy of the mp3 on my computer. First, I googled the
podcast. First results Apple podcast, dead end. Second
result, his website, as selected episodes featured and note, full
episodes are available on YouTube, or on your favorite
podcast app. Sure, I could use everyone's favorite command line
program, YouTube, YouTube dl and rip the audio out of the video.
But unfortunately, unfortunately, what brought me
here was the deletion from YouTube itself. Finally, Google,
Dark Horse podcast URL. And pod bean was kind enough to provide
me the link to the RSS. Out of curiosity. I plugged the Dark
Horse into podcast indexes search, and of course it pops
right up and eventually even a clickable copy URL button. Thank
you, CSB. Yes, is presented. It amazes me the links to which
walled gardens and perpich are perpetuated by the podcasters
themselves. Thank you for your service to the community. If I
could ask, what happens when a centralized shit coin like hive
goes to put is the infrastructure.
Exactly what you'd expect. That's exactly what you'd
expect. In that case, we have to fork said shit coin into
shittier shit coin and run our own shitty shit version of that
shit coin. But yeah, it seems pretty good. I don't think
people are really making money off of the hive. I think it
seems like it's more of a token than a coin is my feeling.
The answer, Josh is we have a plan. Yeah, well, we have a
plan. There you go. We don't know what it is yet. But we have
a play.
I saw a number of people tweeting Brett Weinstein saying
bro value for value streaming SATs, by the way if Yes, go
ahead and
but he probably won't do it because I agree. with Josh
Bregman here, he says, It amazes me the lengths to which walled
gardens are perpetuated by the podcasters themselves.
to ourselves, that's right. Sell for my emulation or something
like that. Yeah, whatever they call it thing. By the way, if
you're listening to these notes and thinking crap, I should have
donated what kind of heel am I?
Here's your cue to boost. You know you want to
There you go. Just boost us. Just as happy with that. We'll
take your SATs. Thank you very much for supporting podcasting
2.0
is the infrastructure for the pod ping import easily
translatable to another platform like Bitcoin? No, not to
Bitcoin. But our plan is, if the hive ever goes belly up, we will
fork it and run our own hive. Yep. And we'll be good to go.
That's exactly what I said. When I used the word shit many times.
Yeah. And some and M self-immolation. We set yourself
on fire. Yes, I believe so. Yeah, let's not do that. Okay.
Three cheers for the Bitcoin taproot soft fork activation.
That's a set of set of words that will drive the audience
away. Well, it is kind of cool. It is that the taproot does
Yeah, it's really well I loved how the consensus worked. You
know, where miners would signal if they were taproot ready and
where they have to get 75% Is that how it works? And you get
kind of the soft fork and then everyone's doing
it is locked in now for was it November? I think?
Yes, yes, I think it is. I love that. I just love the whole, the
whole community angle of that how we came to consensus and,
and we're going to implement it and I know, and I understand
some of the technical. Of course, this will all be
misinterpreted. Gods. Let's talk about
that. It's like you can keep once once the consensus is
reached, you can keep on doing the old the old system without
it if you want to, but then you're trading a different coin.
Yeah, so there's that. There's that. Three cheers for tip for
taproot. Software deactivation. Hopefully both lightning and own
chain privacy will benefit. Yes. Our CPS our 56k dial up modem
sounds available for my diffract.
Well, let me just detune it. No, I think that's still 1200 I'm
sorry. Oh, yes, yes. 1200. That's too fast. My first modem
that I built myself was 75 baud.
God Almighty. Yeah. You could just run you could just drive it
down the street, right sheet of paper and run it down the road.
It was just connected to my buddy, he had the same and we
just ripped apart a couple of phones. So we put the cradle
took out the microphone part and the hearing part. And we just
reverse that and put like little cardboard boxes, and I had this
Sinclair ZX 80. So I'd press a couple keys, and then they would
appear on his monitor and then back and forth.
And you could do we can do one word at every four minutes,
right? Pretty much Well, this is also the days when the BBC Radio
would broadcast computer programs. Once a week. Yeah, you
mentioned once a week, I think eight o'clock or eight o'clock.
UK time. Yeah. And you get your cassette recorder ready for the
acorn computer, but they also did it for the ZX 80 which I had
and the ZX 81 and I think they might have done some stuff for
the Commodore VIC 20, maybe even the 64 it was very exciting.
I had the cassette Loader for the for the Commodore 64 and I
remember you had to think to get you had to hit you had to hit
play first and then you had to hit load. Load Astra has come a
common one. To load no no's comma eight comma two I forgot
what the command was but you had to you had to do it in the right
sequence.
Love that stuff. I still have my trs 100 no ever seen that one?
It's the laptop with an LCD display and it has I think it
has a 12 line display and it runs on double A batteries. Trs
was that the RadioShack one? Yeah, you should just look at it
you have to see this trs 100 just do a quick terrorist one. I
also have I have the acoustic modem on all of this inbox by
the way. Whoa, yeah. Trs 100 Wow. Oh, there it is. Here is at
model 100. No, no, no, the TRS one. Model 100 portable
computer.
Yeah. 3230. Yeah. 32 lines. Yeah, with a real nice keyboard.
And it's got the screen built right in a keyboard. Mm hmm. So
that's new in the box. Yeah,
well it's not new I've used it's got the box then yeah and I have
that handsome leatherette carry in case you start auctioning
your stuff like the boy No, no, I mean you turn it on you can
still do basic and you know it has a little memory slots where
you save stuff and had a bill at this I think this also had a
built in modem yes this had a built in modem.
Oh, did it have so you're doing basic did have peek and poke?
Of course that was how you put it on the screen, baby. Yes,
yes. peeking poke my favorite. I knew some of those numbers by
heart. Oh, yeah. Did they inject injected right into this right
onto the screen right to the pixel? Yeah. And it wouldn't go
away until you reboot it. You had to know you had to read. Hi.
I forgot how you did it. To clear it or something. Yeah.
Clear the buffer. Good time.
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note. No, no note other than saying that he heard about us on
on Matt cast. Oh, Adam Christiansen.
Oh, beautiful. Thank you. I love how it works. The clip we didn't
play. Yeah, we'll play. I'll chop it up.
He gave us lots of love. So thank you, Francis, and our
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Thanks. So yeah, of course, it'd be crazy not to they can still
take their fees. It's all about the fees, man. It's all about
the fees, except when it comes to micro payment podcasting. And
the fees get in the way man they get in the way.
Or they don't understand why square or excuse me cash app
does not do lightning yet. It must have something to do with
just being still in beta.
I thought you could I thought you could send a receive SATs
through an invoice or something. And they probably wait they're
gonna roll this out in Twitter. I mean, they're gonna do
something with lightning and Twitter is Dorsey has already
alluded to it when I don't know exactly. But that seems like an
obvious fit. Yeah, what? So you'd want to have cash app
Twitter, you know that combo. Now they still by me, I learned
so much even the you know, the strike, that they're actually
using stable coins to send payments outside of their own
network to
like Venezuela, or El Salvador. This whole article I read about
how they're actually doing it.
Are you are you this may be the same article that I've got right
here that I was going to talk about. The one this about
Bitcoin legal tender laws may be different but that so here let
me let me read this to you. Because I was I don't think
people understand maybe That's a pretentious thing to say. Some
people may not understand that what it means to be legal
tender, that doesn't mean just that the government won't get on
your back when you win legal tender means not that you can
accept payment, but you must, by force of law accept payment in
this currency. So like you legal tender means that the government
mandates that you accept this particular form of currency as
payment for goods and services, you don't have a choice not to
correct and then in this case, unless technologically it can
absolutely not be done for some amount of time, whatever. Right?
So this is a really good article It is called is from Bitcoin
magazine is called Bitcoin legal tender laws. And this is the
part that was interesting to me. And this goes along with what
you're saying. Let's see. an impromptu interview with Bill
Kelly, it was revealed that the citizens of El Salvador will
have to will have open access to an official government wallet
designed by strike that will allow receivers to instantly and
automatically convert encrypted incoming Bitcoin into dollars,
if they don't want to take on the risk of holding an asset as
volatile as Bitcoin. This is what stripe does best, turning
Bitcoin into a payment rail that users don't have to think about.
The El Salvador government is sending up a $150 million Trust
Fund with the Central Bank of El Salvador, and anyone who
converts their Bitcoin to dollars with the official wallet
is essentially selling their Bitcoin to the trust fund.
Yes, know that. Yes. And it's actually tether that's involved.
And so this article that I was reading from David Gerard, who
is obviously a lightning network hater, and maybe a Bitcoin hater
in general, but he, he says, well, the title of the article
and I love reading, I mean, I love reading stuff that goes
against what I think it enlightens me. El Salvador pass
passes its Bitcoin law, and it's a tether scam as the title of
the article, I put this in the that's a great, which, by the
way, has nothing to do because of course, you know, El Salvador
is, you know, people have been using wallets and lightning
wallets and you know that this kind of stuff for a long time,
it really has no bearing on this story, other than in the context
of wise and cash app, doing SATs. So there are actually some
reasons I just put this in the show notes. Now, let me go down
to the bottom here. JACK Mahler's explains jack Mahler's
from strike explained how the actual flow works. Oops, we go.
When I initiate a $1,000 payments, strike debit to my
existing USD balance strike then automatically converts my $1,000
to bitcoins ready for use in its infrastructure. Using his real
time automated risk management and trading infrastructure.
Strike then moves the bitcoins across the Gulf of Mexico, where
it arrives in our Central American infrastructure in less
than a second and for no cost. Strike then takes the bitcoins
and automatically converts them back into USD t that's tether
using its real time automated risk management and trading
infrastructure strike then credits the existing user with
the USD t to their strike account to their getting tether.
Oh, and this is because what strike wallet is doing, it's
it's really hard at this moment on the lightning network to have
huge channels open and payments were just not happening. So the
main, they have a lot of, you know, big funded liquid stuff
inside their network. And, and they certainly have channels,
you know, because we know it works because we're getting
lightning payments. But with this El Salvador deal, there's
there's conversion into tether, which just seems like huh.
That's, that's new information. In fact, I'm not sure what to
think about that.
Well, what this what this article boils down to in which
I, I hope it's not true, but I thought was interesting. was,
you know, this is basically there's $150 million that El
Salvador has set up as their fund, you know, to convert
Bitcoin payments into into dollars that people can then
access locally. And this David Gerard guy says, what's likely
happening is That 100 and $50 million will be transferred,
transferred to Silicon Valley people and strike and the people
of El Salvador get together. I don't know how that's not just a
couple of jumps there that I'm not so sure if that's exactly
true. I really hope that's not true. But that stands apart from
the legal tender story. That's the story. Yeah, how strike is
involved is less interesting. But it's, it's not easy. And
that's the bottom line, the I just did a half a million
Satoshi rebalance. So that means that I squirt it out through our
channel through through lm PE, and I send it to a blue wallet.
And then, you know, I send it back. And so now I'm relying on
blue wallet and ln hub, I think or whatever the hell is
connected to. I'm just relying on that to be able to find a
pathway to send half a million satoshis. And yeah, I think it
cost 1200 satoshis to route it, and it went through all the big
infrastructure and it got there no problem, but you know, pretty
high fee.
Yeah. Well, that's it. So that's why you need you know, that's,
that's why the onboarding of this is probably going to be
custodial. Yeah. For like, you know, for value for value
podcasting is there's going to have to be a custodial component
for the you know, for the jeans, Mom, because that's, nobody even
understands what you just said. And that, you know, like, by the
way, way, chicks dig it that they don't
exist. They do, Tina's like, Hi, yeah, talk to talk SAS to me,
how's your channel? How much you got? How big is your channel? Do
you have a wambo?
one bowl channel talk. That is, look at that guy get a damn,
he's got a wambo. That is not a way to get a date that wambo is
the Lambo of the lightning network. If you keep talking
like this, we're gonna get picked up by Spotify. Okay, I'll
stop.
There. Now that that's, that's more concerning. I hope that
that is not true, honestly. Because, I mean,
I wrote that last bit is just, it's just a conclusion that this
guy Drew, but the tether thing I believe that's real. I think
that there's however they put that deal together.
But why would you do so that tells me if you did something
like that, if that's the actually the case, that tells me
that they were not confident enough in lightning itself to
handle that volume of funds. That means so that may be one of
the answers, the reasons? Sure. Okay, so then maybe later at
some other point, like down the line, they say, Okay, well,
lightning has proven stable enough now. And now it's got now
we have automatic multi pathing. And now we have these, you know,
it's basically in a weird way. It's a custodial versus non
custodial. If, you know, the, the whole point of this is that
people can receive Bitcoin and immediately turn it around and
get us dollars for it through the central bank through this
$150 million provision, which of course, should grow over time,
and it should all be automatic, without the price fluctuation.
So they're guaranteeing the volatility difference that when
you say, Okay, I just received it, I want the money. They'll
take it right away. And they'll they'll take the risk on the 10
minute price difference. Yeah, that's basically what it is. And
so doing that with Cather is definitely a valid solution. It
was just surprising. Does that mean that this is a scam to
steal that money? Seems like a lot of work to steal $150
million? Considering what's at stake. You know, I was like,
come on.
Yeah, you can it's I mean, in Silicon Valley, you can get $150
million by falling down in the wrong spot just by putting
blockchain in your name. podcast blockchain. Yeah. I mean, 100 50
million. That's an accident. Oh, I dropped it. Yeah, now, that
makes me think that is probably not that
to two other topics to hit or just points, by the way. One is
wallet withdrawals from the podcast app. Someone contacted
me, I think through podcasting, next on social or podcast,
podcast is your TV, the mastodon, and said, You know, I
can't seem to withdraw from any of these wallets. I said, you
know, no one's ever asked for it. It's kind of the way you
withdraw is by playing a podcast. And he said, Yeah, but
you know, when I'm doing stuff, I may want to put some in, move
it out. He says, it's kind of a generally accepted thing that
you have an in and out and I thought it was a valid point. So
I'm just bringing it up.
Not Cridland talked about it. He couldn't Get his stuff out of
Sphinx. He's had all kinds
of trouble swings has withdrawl is just broken. Or in his case.
Yeah. And then he and then he called swings breeze which Whoa.
Yeah, now that's not breeze raises raises top notch the
experience that'll nothing seems broken on Brees. See. I don't I
don't bet. I mean, I know he's been talking about it for a
while. He's like, I got a bunch of acid I just kind of locked
up,
right. But this is more like pod friend, Curio, Curio cast or pod
station, you know, all all the apps, even airline pay based
wallets to just be able to send that somewhere else. So you
generate a QR code to get in should also be able to
understand how to take either a QR code or an invoice to send it
out. What How would you do that? Well, the same way wallets work.
So you add funds or if you want to take them out, then you put
you paste an invoice from the from the app that you're that
you're withdrawing it from redrawing it to
Yeah, but I'm saying like, okay, so I'm maybe misunderstanding I
was assuming that what they were saying when they're talking
about getting it out was that they were going back, they
wanted to get back to Fiat?
No, no, no, just as transferred to a different wallet. Oh, okay.
So I have no, I have wallets in every single app. And let's say
I have a little more embryos for a number of reasons. And so I'll
put that in a different one. And now I'm using this app. And
yeah, it can be adjusted. I mean, I can keep adding from my
own personal stuff. Or I could take it out of that one and put
it in that one. And you can't do that with any of the other apps.
So it's really inter inter walled inter lightning wallet,
withdraw what I'm talking about. It's not something I need at
all. But it came on when
I was a valid point. Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, it would be
trivial for me. No, of course it was. Yeah, of course. Yeah. I
will tell you ARCA. Yeah,
I think Martin said he had already thought of it and on the
list, but you know, Martin's getting married. We lost we lost
him to the to the woman.
Mark Martin used to be a friend of ours.
Yeah, no, no, now now he's got a woman. He's obviously under her
spell. He can't code anymore. Buying a house by the way. I'll
tell you that alone. Dude, I get that we're right. We're right in
the middle. We are literally houseless right now. No, we're
what we don't own a breaking your own house yet. Somebody
else right. This is very Yeah, we were renting it from the new
owner. Exactly. So well, if last night we said why don't we just
cancel that other one pay off the fee and we'll go on a world
tour and buy a yurt somewhere there your team is like Yeah,
no. Am I exactly that's a Tina doesn't seem like the year type.
Oh, she used Oh, dude, she's she's born born in Indiana. And
were you there and and you know and made her made her path in
Chicago. not take it back. She is clearly she is the material
she is the American dream. She can no mad like anybody. Yeah,
no problem. Now she's and she packs very tight. Yeah, extreme.
That's why she's called the keeper and because of she pet.
She can pack both of us into a carry on suitcase for a week.
That like Marie Kondo Plus,
I don't think I've taken a checked bag on a flight in 10
years. Yeah, like yeah,
I'm always usually I have checked baggage because I got
the I. What I take on board is the studio. He said you had two
things. Yeah, I have the I have a camera shoulder bag which will
contain the M audio device microphone, back candling. Wall
warts although there's much less then I have a roller bag and in
the roller bag goes. The MIDI controller mixer, the two
screens because I have foldable portable screens also put the
laptop in that so I really have everything and the only thing
that goes in check baggage studio wise is the mic boom. I
carry that to do they look at that thing and just like what oh
my god. You know how many times my that the bag with the
shoulder. The camera bag has been open, uncountable. They
have to repack it all. And then I discovered pretty early on.
It's best to take the microphone out separately. It has its own
little leather case. That's the thing they always want to see
Because they think they're gonna humiliate you with some sex toy?
No, they think is a vibrator. Yep. No, yeah. Yeah. I always
say ball Careful, don't turn it on. I do evaluate who I'm saying
it to some of them don't think that's very funny. The second
thing I wanted to say here at the end is very excited to see
the Curio caster breeze video integration getting started.
Yeah, I've got some work to do on that. So I'm in API mode
right now, come back to that. I know. And I got, I had to
initially get some stuff with the recent feed. API endpoint
finished. And I'm letting that vache john Spurlock is testing
it, Mitch, is gonna be looking at it. And if and if it looks
good, we may just transition things to that I'm not gonna
take those other inputs away. But I may just start using that
when what it's doing is it is delivering feed recent feeds and
recent episodes in the same result. So it's called recent
data. And Steven Crowder, it's not, this is not documented yet.
So don't, because it's not stable. So don't don't good.
Steven jumps on Steven documents, all the things that I
throw out there and don't document. So don't do that. It
you can just call the recent data endpoint and it'll give you
back recent feeds in recent episodes in one in one shot
nice,
even if they have just recently or what's recent time based or
Yeah, time based, you have a sense it you can you can say
recent data since and either give it a timestamp from some
moment in the past, or a negative number, which
represents now minus that many seconds is pal. Cool. Yeah. So
that's fairly simple. So I mean, I'm doing I've done that, and
that was mostly finished. But then right now I'm working on
search. And I've got two things to fix on search Asian character
support. And which is complicated, isn't there? Isn't
there some kind of
rule against that? I mean, like a blacklist. whitelist. Yet, you
can't say Asian character. It shouldn't be characters of Asian
descent.
characterizations? Yes, yes. Yeah. No, you, you. You can't
call it oriental characters. Oh, no,
no, that's
bad Asian characters, or I think that's still valid. Well, let
the last list i saw i think that's okay. So Asian character
support and I don't even know what what is oriental even mean?
Do you know what that even means? It's the same as a
derogatory phrase, same as China man. Like just an old
derogatory, of course, is probably British.
100% 100% British.
So, the agent care support I've got to do that first. And then
second one was directors like x accent marks. So when you you
know in France you're searching for you know, I'm going to
boxall as a graph or Exxon Egu or like sauce you complex? What
would you just say? accent so you have a circumflex yeah
circumflex yeah as the roof
Yeah, so if you were if you were to search for get get your song
you would
Oh, you got a little fire and little question mark there under
the Sinan What do you call that thing? A seek a C question mark.
Yeah, it's I forget what that's called. It is it's a tale it's
like a test not see where the tail
is the CSC with a tail. You want you want gasoline to match. See
what the tail and regular see. So no. difference. Yeah. So that
I got to do that. So those I said you lost a deal.
What do you say deal is the see. See? all the detail? Yeah, let's
deal. Okay, so that's like when Cridland calls it said incident
is the Yeah.
I kind of have to agree with the Zed thing, although I never do
it myself. Oh, really? Yeah, there's no I'm not a Zed guy.
But once you get into saying, I mean, I'm an aviation guy. So
it's always gonna be Zulu for me.
Do you do you also put cross like a cross bar on your sevens?
Yes, I do. Well, I grew up you I was I was in Dutch school from
the fifth grade on so My eights are weird. Minor, they look
like, Oh, I'd have to draw it for you. But you go like that.
Look, my wife goes What the hell is that?
This isn't it doesn't look like a sub. It doesn't look like a
vertical infinity symbol. It does, but
it closes weirdly. Okay, let me see. It's the that and the what
was the other character? We're just talking about? The z, or
the Zelda seven seven with a line through it? Yeah, yes.
Yeah, I think those are the main ones. But the eight is a is a
big deal. I mean, I have horrible handwriting as it is. I
have no hand control. Basically, when writing I have great hand
speed reaction. I can type but I forgot what we were even talking
about. About the Oriental Chinaman character support. No,
no, no. There's you brought up something about API to breeze
the breeze video Curio caster integrate Oh, stop soon. Okay,
guys.
Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, so anyway, APR stuff, search stuff,
the part of the API thing is going to be that part because
what Steven B needs in this will benefit everyone. Everybody
needs this is a way to say, Get for all for these endpoints, I
only want to see audio or only want to see video, blah, blah,
blah, that that is important is actually a little bit of a
challenge. Because there's so many different MIME types, they
can they can be interpreted to that. Yes, it's my it's mine
types and extensions, because sometimes momstart non types,
sometimes you'll get an mp4, but it will be the MIME type will be
application slash binary binary. So it's just garbage like that.
So I need to, I have not, it's funny, because I did not, that
is the one thing I regret about the NFA items table, which is
the episodes table that I did not index properly. I did not
index the the type the media type properly. And I regret it
now, because of that table has 70 million rows into apply a new
index is going to be a big lift. So anyway, so
just understand that. So whatever you do, you've got
something really big that has to reindex. And could be it would
take two hours for this thing to reindex. Okay, does that mean
the whole database is down for two hours? I
don't think so. Because it's a very simple structure. I think I
can do an in place index add on it, and it would not lock the
database. So I don't think anything would be down. But I'm
not 100% Sure. My sequel is very weird with indexes. Some, it's a
little bit unintuitive, sometimes when it's going to
lock and when it's not. So what I have to do is load. I've got a
dev environment, and I'm going to update that dev environment
with the newest freshest database and then do it over
there. And check it in. If it all runs fine. I'm going. The
other problem with doing in place index is that it will
you'll end up with duplicate key collisions, even if there's not
any. And so a lot of times you really even if you don't if it
doesn't lock, if you're doing in place, you have to really just
stop all rights to the database. So I may have to shut all the
aggregators down for like two hours even regard regardless of
whether the weather, so there wouldn't be any new items for
for a couple hours. It's gonna be a pain in the butt. And that
was some of the sexiest sequel talk I've heard in a long time.
Dave. You had me. You had me at lock. I mean,
seriously, here's your cue to booth. You know, you want to.
And you need to talk about locking the database. I mean,
you had you had all my trigger words in there. It was
beautiful. Thank you. I know. I know. There's at least three
people going. Yeah. All right.
There's only three pause. All right. Do you have anything for
the for the end of the show here?
No, I got nothing. No, I meant there was an ad there was an ISO
you won't play that. I
Oh, sure. Let me see. All right, boom. All right. Is this Are we
not doing end of show? ISOs? Because it's certainly worthy of
it. Yeah, I think we should do that. Yeah. All right. Hey, man,
it was great talking to you. As usual. Thanks to all the unsung
heroes who are really doing all the work. We just do a podcast.
Buddy, have a good one. Take care. All right, we'll see y'all
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