podcasting 2.0 for July 2 2021, Episode 44 separating the nodes
from the news. I wish I could say that this new studio was so
good I can even do my nails while doing the show. But now a
couple of issues, a couple of bugs to work out but it is
Friday time once again for a board meeting of podcasting 2.0
bringing you all the latest news from the podcast industry in the
community and podcasting index.org along with podcasting
index dot social, I'm Adam curry, in the heart of Phil
country, Texas and in Alabama, the man who can decode a TLV
from a known idea at the drop of a hat, my friend on the other
end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones,
we may be able to decode deal these and HDL C's and utxos and
all this kind of stuff, but it made like, clearly, we can't
figure out how to wire up a studio or reboot a Mac. I mean,
like, Oh my god, amount of trouble me we've had on both
sides in the last 15 minutes. It's incredible.
It's you know, it's it's crazy how you make a move. My whole
studio has always been portable as this setup and the whole
idea. The whole idea is that you can just, you know, take it with
you on the road, bring it back, everything fits into into place.
So I reconstructed in the new house in the new studio. And two
things happen. One, the touchscreen, which I use for
jingles just starts intermittently working, not
working, no matter what configuration I try. We just
tried for about 20 minutes before we started. I had no idea
what how these things can change all of a sudden.
Yep. Yeah. Welcome to the joys of well, all modern competing,
but unless there's more specifically the joys of Surface
Pro and and USBC. I mean, like, okay, like, I'll tell you, in
the old days, you know, I work in the financial industry. So
all the desks have multiple monitors three, sometimes four
monitor. Sure. So we've been dual monitor, at least, as a
multi monitor for years. So at least 12 years. And for all of
that time, it was flawless, like you would plug in a monitor, it
would come up, you'd have your extended desktop, and then you
would have to maybe go into the display settings and flip the
orientation where left is right, right, left, right, right,
right, right. That was all fine. Until USBC when the USB C thing
took over USB C slash Thunderbolt. When it took over
all of the docking stations for all the laptops, they all went
to in I would say display port as well. When all those three
technologies came in the the port, the docking stations and
the port replicators all switched from like proprietary
built in ports, that plugs straight into the bus to being
basically USB C extenders. And when that happened nothing is
predictable anymore. Like nothing you can reboot a
computer 12 times in a row and then on the 13th time it comes
up and half your monitors don't work no absolutely no reason for
it.
What's interesting is this I this has a USB 3.0 not a USBC
well it's probably still using
oh no it still sucks
display oil yes probably it's because all that stuff runs
through the same bus now so yeah DisplayPort Thunderbolt right.
It's all I don't know what generation Surface Pro you have
six pro six. I bet I wonder if that's the Skylake generation
anyway one of those like when when they started getting away
from the proprietary stuff and going to just USBC everywhere or
isn't it wasn't C at the time it was like Thunderbolt Yeah,
Thunderbolt everywhere. Yeah. Oh my god, just like Shiva now.
Well, somehow we're gonna have self driving cars, but we can't
figure out how to get in
touch. So that's of course was not the only problem the one
that's most interesting is the power supply for my headphone
amplifier just broke You know, it started started to pulse and
so I okay, that's no good. Now it's a 12 volt power supply.
Little a wall wart. Not not a commonly found item?
No.
So what do you do in a pinch? And this happened yesterday,
just before we started no agenda. I got a nine volt
battery. You did cut the wire taped it on now and I'm using
that today as well because I haven't had time to go find a 12
volt wallboard adapter. But what's interesting is the
headphone amplifier kind of really want 12 volts. So it took
me a little while To get used to your louder modulation sounds
like it's over modulating or it sounds distorted. But that's
because the headphone can't draw enough power from the battery.
It's a mess. And let alone the electro voice 320 microphone,
which I love this microphone. You have the same, don't you?
Yeah. Yeah. It's a mic. Yeah.
It's very sensitive to dimmers. Yeah, no. And it was the
outside. I'm like, Well, how can this be in the one of the
outside lights which is on a dimmer and was still on and we
just knew in the house, I don't know everything. I don't have
the sequence of stuff to turn on and off yet. It's right on the
other side of the studio wall. So like, okay, that fix it.
Okay. So now,
the Faraday cage is with copper mesh, like, the walls with
copper mesh? Yep.
And yeah, it's concrete floors. I don't have a rug yet. So I was
a little Bumi and all that stuff. But anyway, I've what so
my week has been kind of as more as a spectator than anything,
just watching what what's been going down on podcasting, next
on social mainly. And you and Eric have been just kicking up a
storm on our, on our signal, channel,
get, we're trying to figure out how to, cuz we got all these
transactions that come in as the 1% of our split for API stuff.
So if you get if you if an app that does value for value
streaming, if they use our API to get the value block, we put
in a 1% fee. So that means that we get a split. So now what we
have is, you know, over the last month or whatever we've been
like, we'll get to it, we'll figure it out later into the
document. Document because because it is income. I mean,
it's it's it's technically income, so we eventually will
have to declare it. So we have to Well, okay, well, how are we
going to do this? I mean, how many transactions we have? Well,
we have almost 300,000 transactions, because they're
all tiny little micro payments as well, right? So I had to
figure out how to interface with l&d on our node, and pull the
invoices, and then interpret, like parse the TLV records, and
all that stuff. And so then you have different possible
transaction types you would have,
let me let me just explain everybody what we're talking
about. Because there's lots of people who like, who loved
listening to our show, mainly for the pod namespace talk and
open source pull requests, and you know, so they just, they
just tune in for no matter what, because it's a sexy show, to
what we're talking about, here's the value for value streaming
payments, and the information that is sent from a podcast app,
when making either a streaming per minute payment or a boost
payment, and how it comes into the podcast or wallet. And of
course, podcast index has its own wallet. And that's where we
get the 1% does all kinds of information being sent, which
can be extremely valuable for statistics, which we'll talk
about in a minute, but also for financial accounting. And so the
way you interact with that is through lnd. All right now, now
everyone knows what the hell we're talking about.
Yeah, so if you run a lightning node, you're running one of the
few different pieces of software, you're either running
l&d or see lightning and I think there's one more right.
Yeah, I
don't know what it is offhand. Yeah.
Okay. It was so there's, there's at least two I'm almost
positive. There's three. See lightning and l&d are the main
ones. l&d is the sort of reference implementation from
lightning labs. That's what I would say most people use l&d.
Yeah, there's a lot of interesting projects that are
that are using C though, for some specific reasons, I'm sure.
And so, I mean, just think of it like a podcast app. It's all
open open spec, and you can, whether you have l&d or C lie,
see lightning may have some features of here that you like
and l&d may have something you like blah blah, blah. So we're
running lnd through voltage and l&d is what takes care of the
lightning part. Because l&d sits on top, so to speak, of the of
just a normal Bitcoin node, four node. Elliott, so when you when
you're doing lightning transactions, you can interact
with l&d to do things like set up channels, do kit, do payment,
send invoices, create invoices, and keys and all the different
stuff you do peer with other network nodes. So we l&d has an
internal database inside of it. And I don't know what it uses.
I'm not sure if it's our I think it's a no SQL type database.
I'm not sure I don't know,
anyways, got an internal database where all those
transactions recorded? most normal nodes don't have that
many transactions don't have very, I mean, like you may have,
you know, 1000 transactions in a few months? Well, I mean, we
have 1000 transactions a day.
Yeah, exactly.
So that mean, there's like, almost 300,000 transactions in
the database. And they have a page a nation thing where you
can sort of walk back through the tree, you know, we'll give
you 100 at a time, right?
What's kind of what's interesting to me is that the
lightning network was a part of what it was set up to do was for
micro transactions, but I think the the two things, one, the
term micro transaction was poorly defined, or maybe not
defined at all. And second, was the whole drive of To this day,
still, except we'll, with some few exceptions, of lightning
network development is Oh, yeah, but we can send a Bitcoin
immediately with very low fees. So that's where you get the
wambo channels, we have to be able to send hundreds of dollars
back and forth, which is all important too. But it's it's,
it's really not set up for micro payments, it seems to me,
like not not in quality and quantity. Right.
Yeah, high quantity. Exactly.
Yeah, I mean, like, you should see how if anybody knows the
zap, zap wallet where you can interface zap is a mobile app or
a desktop app where you literally interface with lnd
directly. Yeah, we can see your stats and everything. Like when
you pull that thing up, it takes a while for it to parse through
all those database transactions.
Oh, I don't even bother. I use Zeus and zap separately. So zap
I use to look at channels because I'd like the way it just
displays channel so I can see you know, there's a channel in
trouble that needs some rebalancing. But for just
looking at the most recent transactions, I use Zeus, you
bring it up, it immediately has the last 50 transactions. Oh,
yeah. Okay. So
you know, waiting when you do that refresh. Oh, my god that
can last the last forever on Zappa?
Yes, yeah.
So I think Zeus is just tracking it in the background all the
time.
And it will, essentially what we're doing now, right, we're
updating every five minutes to pull all the latest
transactions, right. And right now, we're not doing anything
with him, really. But we're, we just needed a way to capture
them. Because if our, if our lightning node were to blow up,
we had to roll another one, we could recover our channels from
Channel back. Right, right. But we may lose all that transaction
data. So we need, we need all that now, as part of going
through this and looking at all the transactions and storing
them. There's so much rich data there. It's great. It's
unbelievable
how much. And I should I should say that what Eric is working on
is all related to this as we create the jeans mom, podcast or
wallet experience. Which I mean, he's going real deep on features
and how this is going to be built out and how it's going to.
It's really going to be a fun, fun place to be.
Yeah. And he's doing all the research to for the
legalities
on compliance. And everything's I think he helped Mitch the
other day, he had a no phone call with Mitch. Because Mitch
had some questions like that all that stuff is, is super
important. And like, Man, you tend to err like, Yeah, well,
no, no, no, this is exactly why we brought Eric into the into
the organization is like, who was going to ask a quote, very
annoying questions. And who is going to be completely OCD about
getting the answers? Because we don't want to set ourselves up
to fail. And by the way, for that alone for that boost, you
know, you want to support us, boost away people came from LMP
was telling me that he was I think you saw it too. He was
listening to the show, and then we played that Jingo, any
boosted he said, Oh my God. I just did what he told me to.
This one is exactly what he said. I just did what I was
told.
And that's how you got to do it. podcasters It's that simple. He
could just use this bingo, it's your cue to boost you know, you
want to alternatively you can boost you can throw in a Fauci
boost.
Yeah, it's the jingles are open source just like me podcast you
whatever your I make sure I publish them. It's mind control,
it works every time.
So on the lines of, of this data, which is very powerful
data, because when you have and you were just about to get into
that when I interrupted you, we have multiple types of
transactions is of course regular, incoming outgoing, but
then we have from the apps themselves, the stream payments,
so that's a per minute Satoshi amount or the boost. And, and
what this is going to give us is incredible statistics of people
actually listening to the program. Right. And and I guess
my next question would be, is there a way to overlay that with
a timestamp as to when? What what? What time code the payment
comes in at? As it relates to the podcast being listened to?
I'm sure. This is Alison here.
Oh, that overset that already works?
Yeah. It's in there. It's in the taste in the TLB.
Even from even from the per minute. satoshis. Yeah. So you
can overlay that and see exactly when someone boosted? Yes. I'm
glad I have a desk that can be raised automatically. Put it up
a little bit.
Put in the desk. Here's why. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead.
Okay, so that's in the D o v record. The, the different TLV
or, okay, you discombobulated me, the, there's different ones
and ones, okay, so you have different types of invoices,
everything, everything in l&d that comes in every incoming
payment is, is an invoice, whether it's key sent or not. So
you will have like, in our case, we have various different kinds
of incoming payments, we could have an invoice, where, let's
just say that you needed to transfer extra funds onto the
node, in order to open a channel, right, maybe there's an
you create an invoice and then fund it from some other source,
that would be like just a standard lightning payment, then
you may have like, a just a key send payment, just a random
piece in payment that somebody sends, maybe they're making a
donation or something I don't know. And then then you have the
per minute streaming value for value stuff. And almost
universally those all those all have TLV records attached to
them. Usually it's the it's like seven, six to 9161 or some I
think that's the one. And that's the one that Satoshi de stream
formalized. And it's got in there, all the different payload
data. So it's got, like what type of event it was, whether it
was a stream or a boost, like a per minute stream or boost. It's
got timestamp, the feed ID of the index that was being
listened to the episode ID. It's got all that stuff in it.
There's a reason Don't let Don't let your desk back down yet
because there's something else there's the tip, like so there's
a tip, just
the tip. If
I told you keep the depth, there's, there's a tip to V in
there. So that if somebody like Steven for Kira caster, if
somebody uses the tip jar
shows that as a specific tip payment nice
it is, and he's going to put in a message field in there, or
somebody can put a custom message in.
Well, we kind of need that for boost too, don't we? I mean, No,
not necessarily. here here's here's why this is extremely
relevant today. And I find this the biggest headline that is
perhaps underplayed purposefully. And this is the
apple download bug. Oh, now, Apple. Do I hear a buzz in my I
think I hear a buzz. Well, I'm just gonna ignore it. No one
heard I don't, I don't hear it now. Could be my headphone amp.
It could be anything at this point.
Well, you don't have enough batteries, you need to string a
couple more batteries.
I did that once at MTV. At this I was in the audio booth. And
the audio booth had just boxes and boxes of nine volt batteries
for the for the microphones, the wireless mics. And so I
connected all the whole bunch together because they clicked
together.
No, you know, you can build this. That happened.
But then I put it on a light bulb and it worked and I was
really I thought that was really cool. I created
your three volts low you only get nine volts and you need 12.
So you need you need to take your non volt and add two more
double A's to it. Yeah, easy chain and then your your 12
volts. Yeah,
I'm warming up the soldering iron as we speak is beautiful.
So the apple downloads book with the new Apple podcast app. The
headline kind of reads as such, it broke, which resulted in 27%
less downloads registered by the main by podcast hosts, which
James Cridland in fact equated that to a $7.7 million loss in
advertising revenue which I say No, that is $7.7 million of
money that was wasted otherwise, because no one, no one was
complete. I didn't see listeners everywhere complaining. People
still listen to the shows if they were subscribed and
downloaded or not, because it just click on it and starts to
stream.
And this shows the data from the other
shows the fallacy of download measurements for advertising.
And and I think that's why it's being, you know, low key on the
headlines, because any advertiser looks at this and
goes, wait a minute. 27% less, because it wasn't auto
downloading. Will What does that mean? Does that mean that? That
27% less people heard that those podcasts and that's my message?
No. That's the stolen money. It's it's actually less than I
thought it would be 27%. And Lord knows how much that is on
Android. I'm just gonna say combined, probably about 50% of
all podcasts, download statistics used for advertising
purposes, is crap. Fiction. Fiction. Yeah, well, not not
fiction, but it's no in fact, no, it's 100% the truth it's
download. But it's not a listen.
It James was saying something on the, on the, on the mastodon
earlier about, you know, statistics, and how these
download numbers need to change or need to be calculated
differently. And
they went through 10 years of coming up with the IAB
standards, people paid 2030 $40,000 to be certified for
something that is falling apart overnight.
Yeah. Well, so I'm gonna, I was talking to Dan Benjamin love
that. We had it. And we know we had him on the show talking
about this very topic a lot. I mean, gosh, I don't know, four
months ago, five months ago. Yep. And, and I'm, and I talked
to him recently, again, and we're going to try to push this
I I'm writing a blog post right now about everything in my mind,
who is going to have to go to URL parameters. Meaning that
people are going to have to stop looking at raw server level
download numbers, and begin to compile their stats of the URL
parameters from the request.
But this is this is where you live, this is where you lose me,
we have a fantastic system, at least the elements of the system
within our grasp,
not a plate. I agree. I'm 100%, a
podcast app. In fact, a podcast app that wants to participate,
let's just say there's an IAB program, and the program means
you participate in, in statistics, all you need to do
is send off one Satoshi per minute. With the following TLV
records, and it can go to an IP wallet, they can refund it, I
don't care. It's all it's just about the transaction. Just for
the data. That's some real world data right there. It doesn't
have to cost anybody anything. It's relatively simple to you
know, you don't have to have necessarily mean it all comes
down to who do you want tracking you? And how do you want them to
do it?
The answer is nobody. But it's Ain't nobody,
right? But that's not true. Because if you listen to pod
land, pod News, New Media show any any podcast related podcast,
Business Journal, it's all about advertising and what deals it's
all about content. I mean, some of you know, obviously, there's
some infrastructure stuff. But this is This to me is is it's
crippling for the advertising statistics. business.
I can tell you, after the Twitter back and forth ahead
that I've been going on on with, with Peter wells. And in James
Peter wells is a podcast journalist for the Sydney
Morning Herald. Who just basically poopoo everything that
we're doing.
No, no, no, no. He literally said I can't give a flying fuck
about podcast index.
Yeah, that's what he said. Yeah. I mean, he's my nomination for
our foil. I mean, every every superhero needs a foil.
Is he or Lex Luthor?
Yes, he's the legacy of Bruce Willis need to say Jackson. I
nominated him, but
hereby accepted.
Okay. That mean like, after having that conversation, and
seeing the resistance, some of which came from people like Vin
slinger at pod chaser? I'm like, What? Why are you against like,
he was like piping in leyna putting likes on people who were
who, who were saying stuff against the namespace. I'm like,
What? What is this?
That's very interesting as I just heard a whole interview
with one of the founders of the taxonomy project. That's we
we've integrated that. No, I
didn't understand that at all. And so I thought, Well, okay,
let me it's pod chaser. Are we competing with pod chaser?
Somehow, in some fashion? What do we what are we? What are we
done that I know that we pissing somebody cornflakes as possible?
I did not know that I'm aware of. I mean, they just started an
API. But I mean, that's just been recent. I mean, we've been
doing this since last year. So I don't think so. But anyway, but
I was watching that whole back and forth. And I was thinking to
myself, you know, I was I was remembering back to when
everybody thought that JSON, we had a real chance to supplant
RSS. I'm like, that is the biggest bunch of malarkey. I
mean, that we can even we can if people can't even agree that
chapters are cool. How in the hell are is anybody ever gonna
think that the whole industry can move from RSS to JSON? I
mean, this this podcast, the podcast industry, I called it,
you know, Munchausen by 1000, proxies? Yes. It is basically
the the the, the creators of the podcast industry, who are the
podcasters themselves have such a Stockholm Syndrome, about big
tech, that they've they don't even realize that they're the
ones in charge anymore. They think everybody thinks that has
to wait around for somebody else to do something is so
frustrating. Like, Oh, come on, guys. You You have all you have
to do is say things like it. Oh, let me back up for a second. So
one of the things that Peter was saying is, like, all these other
podcast apps are great. You know, they're all they're all.
They're all fantastic. But Spotify is the one debate in his
in his in his, his reasoning was, its slick, quote, unquote,
which I don't know what that means. And it allows you to jump
when you get out of the car, you can pick up where you left off
on your
legs. Oh, wow. Oh,
that's what makes it quote unquote, the app to beat okay.
But then he but then he will go on to say, oh, but, you know,
clearly these other apps are better out like pocket casts
overcast downcast? I mean, like, if all the other podcasts are
better. And then why not just tell people to try out a
different podcast app? Yeah, it's very simple. And if every
podcaster did that, if every podcaster just chose one a week,
and said, Hey, I know that you like, Listen, I know that I can
see that all my listeners are using Apple podcasts, or 60% of
reason, Apple podcasts. Do this for me. tritan. This week,
download on your phone, download a different podcast app and just
pick one. And try it out. This is what the next week you say
try a different try. This next one, people will do it.
Yes, this is what I've been. I've been eating dog food on
that on no agenda show. So just right after we thank the
artists, before we go into our Thank you segment for producer
support. I highlight a feature or talk about something that
that works in a certain way. And then then I'll either say try
out this specific app or try out any new app from new podcast
apps calm. And what's interesting to me is the
listeners are the ones that are really promoting this. And
they're telling other other listeners and podcasters to
check out these apps. But the power right the power of the
podcast or saying that is it's it's very big. So there's I
think there's a couple things going on. So the infrastructure
wise, hosting companies, other servers, companies, advert
everyone is just waiting to be bought. And they can tell you no
but the bullshit. They're waiting to be bought. They're
just just waiting for their turn. Although it's kind of
thinning out, I don't think and some some have no intention ever
of doing that a few maybe. In to me the pinnacle. And we're both
scheduled to be at podcast movement. The pinnacle is all of
a sudden podcast movement comes out with Oh my god, we're so
lucky. We have a keynote from Mark Cuban.
That was a kick. That was a kick in the junk.
I really, really read about kicking the kick in the crotch
to everybody. What All of a sudden, this guy is the most
important thing for a keynote.
He doesn't even have an app yet. Just talking to talk some shit.
And that, that if I was Dan Benjamin, I would be pissed.
Well, I but
I gotta hand it to Silicon Valley. And I count Spotify as a
part of that. They set out to destroy podcasting, to take it
into their own, into their own realm, their own walled garden.
It started with Spotify, and we don't have to rehash that. But
it's what Apple is doing shows complete disdain. they've
they've purchased all the assets that are worthwhile to them, uh,
certainly the hosting companies. And probably just to learn,
while others have learned in half, Apple's not going to buy a
hosting company, they've built one themselves. And they
probably had all kinds of great meetings with the with the
willing podcast host. Oh, yeah. Come on in. Come on, guys. Let's
put out the good silverware apples come and visit today. And
they stole all your ideas. And they're going to do that
themselves. And they do not care about the open system. It's not
in their DNA at all. They don't they're not interested. They
want to own the content. And then they come out with big
money deals, which which puts all of the podcasters and
content creators like deer in the headlight would there's
money to be made, like I mean, whatever. Amazon's latest
acquisition was
good the $80 million when one week window? Yeah, they will see
the podcast industry beginning to act like traditional media as
well.
They've been doing that for a long time, Dave? Well, the brand
going,
you saw the Britney Spears. Britney Spears, oh, I need
conservatorship is is harming me, came out of nowhere. And
it's like, I was thinking the whole time. That was like last
week. There's all these stories about Britney Spears
conservatorship, I don't even know what conservatorship is and
how to do that. Like what what is this story about? And then we
find out this week well, because there's a podcast launching
about her. And like,
most most news you see on the the mainstream is entertainment
related for products they also own. Yeah, ABC does a good job
of that. Oh, okay. This
was this was negative advertising for sure.
From a PR for sure. Sure.
I think Peters problem is the Australian lockdowns. Well,
yeah, that's
what Cridland said, Well, you know, maybe he's just pissed off
about being locked down. But I know it
can be true that I think that could be true, though. I mean,
that. I feel sorry for Australia, man. I mean, they are
just, it's endless that that, you know, it doesn't bother
Cridland as much because he's British. There used to be, you
know, there. There used to
complain.
They have had hundreds of years to hone the fond skills of
mockery. Yeah, that's how they defend themselves. This is a
good
point.
But the Aussies are. I mean, they're not used to this. But I
mean, they, somebody is gonna crack down there. If they keep
going with these endless log downs. It's gonna it's not going
to be, it's sometimes nice. Well, I feel the same way with
Canada, too.
I mean, it's like somebody's just gonna lose it. Well, if you
see all of the countries related to the crown, Canada, New
Zealand, Australia and the United Kingdom are all in the
same. paralyse state.
Yeah. But that's not good.
Not anyway. Sorry for them. Yeah. I don't think it's an
excuse to be a dick.
Do you know there's only 20 I think I heard James say there's
only 25 million people in Australia. That's correct.
realize it was that low?
Yeah, it's a big country.
And everything in that country wants to kill you. So let's
have you ever visited. I was there for two weeks and did a
documentary in 1990 though really fantastic. Loved it. I've
heard it's beautiful. The people are great. It's just everything
was fantastic. Of course back then they still had guns.
The I get this article here. Strike is going to put Bitcoin
buying directly in the app.
Yeah, that's very interesting. And but I think they're not
doing it themselves. They have a financial partner. This is the
big thing that's happening with Bitcoin is now ny di G, NY dig.
And
they saw that,
yeah, there they are providing services to financial
corporations for trading in Bitcoin. And I don't know if
that's what, what strike is going to use. But it's an API
and just tied to the API and you can allow your customers to buy
or sell Bitcoin for
Did you see the hole? Did you see that story which this is
related? And it was somebody on the blockchain caucus? Yes.
Congress?
Yes. The the governor of Wyoming? Oh, yeah.
Well, this was the guy they quoted in here. It gives
Congress Democratic Representative bill foster of
Illinois co chair of the house blockchain caucus. What's this
nice Democratic Representative bill foster of Illinois? Oh,
no, I don't have this story.
said Tuesday that laws must be passed to allow federal courts
to identify digital asset holders and then reverse
transactions.
Now, there's a bunch of douchebags this other guy, I
don't have the clip. Also on the same committee who was saying
bitcoins, good theory is better. Dogecoin is the best but my
state lottery is really where you want to be. Okay. Loomis
Loomis of wyant. Wyoming is doing a lot. For me Really?
Listen to this. This is I'm sorry, not governor, Senator,
Senator Loomis from Wyoming.
Senator Cynthia Lummis of Wyoming is the founder of the
Financial Innovation caucus in Congress. She's been a major
advocate for cryptocurrencies on Capitol Hill, and I sat down
with her for CNBC financial advisor summit, and she told me
she envisions Bitcoin in particular, becoming an
important component of individual retirement
portfolios. She believes it can serve as a hedge against
inflation as the size of the nation's debt relative to GDP
hits historic highs. I encourage people to buy and hold I
encourage them to say Bitcoin for their retirement for their
future. And that's because as the Congress spends trillions
and trillions of dollars, and is flooding our economy on the
world economy with US dollars, there's no way that we cannot
debase the value of the US dollars and lemmas practices
what she preaches she's an investor in Bitcoin as well. I
buy bitcoin and I hold Bitcoin you buy bitcoin? Oh, yeah, you
have Bitcoin? I do. How much Bitcoin do you have? Well, I
only have, I think, five Bitcoins. So only five Bitcoin,
but she bought them in 2013, for about $300 each. So she can now
add a couple of zeros to that number. And Wyoming is in the
process of setting up setting up its own crypto banking system
that Loomis hopes will become a model for other states
as well. banking system? Yes,
this stuff is happening. It's happening at a country level,
mainly poor, suppressed countries under control of the
global banking system, or, you know, states is states,
exercising states rights.
I think you're I think you're right, I think it is happening.
And I think that stories like that with the guy who said, we
need to be able to reverse transaction and unmasking all
that, like, so if you're not, if people are not familiar with
what what's called public choice theory. It's this idea as an
egg. It's usually in the realm of economics, where you analyze
people's behaviors based in part in politics, people's political
behavior, is as if they were market participants. So you're
taking sort of an economic view, that people will make rational
decisions in an economic sense about more than just economics
also about any sort of market. So like, you can just look at
politics as if it were a market, right. And so one of the ideas
there, there's a bunch of different ideas, like log
rolling and other things. One of the ideas is what's called
juicer bills. And juicer bills are a tried and true long
standing thing within politics, where you threaten an industry
with a certain bill, and it gets public, it gets publicity and
that kind of thing. But the goal is never to pass the bill. The
goal is to just get people to donate to your campaign so that
you won't pass a bill.
Yes, I think that's that's a science that is very well
studied and practiced.
Yeah. And so you have things like this like, Oh, we need to
we need to crack down on Bitcoin we need to make sure we can
afford my
reelection campaign.
Exactly. And that's a way that's the way of sending a little
warning shot to the Bitcoin bull. Well,
hold on a sec. Oh, was that was that was that guy's name? Who
said that? Bill foster record, the representative bill foster
from Illinois.
Okay, let's go to open secrets. Let's see who's funding Mr. Bill
foster from Illinois. Oh, yeah. I love this is what I do. Yeah.
Let us see top industries security and investment. GE
food. I hear that
shocking. Let's see.
Let's see if we can see some of these. Hold on. Where do I get
to the get to the individual people as well. Oh, if you do,
let me do combined with With leadership political action
committees, yeah, baby now Now it starts to look good. is
raised two and a half million. Interesting. So University a lot
of university stuff that makes education number one, but
securities and investment number two, we should see the whole
list. Yeah. So
do you combine that with you combine that with a lob rolling
as well. And you say, Okay, well, I'll come out and I'll
juice out juice your bill to give you support. And then
you're going to, you're going to help me win, you're going to
vote for my legislation? Right, right, three weeks from now. So
that I mean, like, all of this stuff is just it's, you could,
you could call it the swamp. You know, that's, that's, that's the
way this stuff works. And so when you see, let you know, you
see things in the news like this, it doesn't mean that this
stuff is actually going to happen. No, it just means
they're fundraising.
Yeah, but I think the genies out of the bottle, you know, yeah,
these reports are that Soros, the Soros is family trading
desk, they now have a green light to trade in Bitcoin, which
means it could be shorting it to you don't know. It could be
eventually, all of them short at some point. But everyone's in
the game. So I should probably come up with a recommendation
for a good history of money book I've been reading so much, but
it's actually under the Satoshi library, there's a I have to
find it, put it in the show notes. When you really look at
the history of money. It's just a mindset. Yeah, we still talk
about how many clams that cost because money in the early days
when this the first settlers were in New York, they used clam
shells with drilled holes, which the Indians, the native, the
Native Americans at the time were, were using as some form of
value mechanism. And so the settlers used that as well. So
that's how we today still use I paid 500 claims for that. Yeah,
and then wampum was another shell short, so you can go on
and on and on. And this is just another iteration, but it's
clearly threatening to. And again, it's just a mindset,
just, it's just what you believe that has value. That's all and
the more people talk about Bitcoin and satoshis, the more
people understand, okay, that has value, and there's a value
attached to it. And the only thing we know now is, well, that
value goes up and down a lot. Yeah, does.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, the other big story, to me are
stories multiple this week was all the ban, you know, the
different people getting banned from from different platforms,
or D monetize.
Yeah, they brought some clips, cuz I thought there's something
pretty interesting about that as well. Okay. Let's see who I got
here. So there's, there's two, he had the story. You had the
boundary, Scott thing. And then Andy, go, I think is no, no, no,
Andy. No, no. And Benji, Scott got kicked off YouTube. And then
Andy, no, got kicked off. SoundCloud. Both were reversed.
But the story, the stories are pretty interesting. Let's see
play. This was the main thing with Andrew Scott. The big the
story was sort of played out like it was AI. That was sort of
the focus. Okay, well, he got banned by a bot. And there was
no human interaction and that kind of thing. Right. I thought
the more in that that was interesting. But I thought the
more interesting part of it was, was this play, play manager,
Scott clip. And they had discussed this group of trolls
from who are employed by the CCP, I think they're called the
50 Cent Army, something like that. And they discussed this
method that they have to get rid of content that is critical of
the CCP. And the way they do this is first, leave comments
and reply to stuff saying, this is a dumb idea. You're an idiot.
Why don't you think about this stupid America, stuff like that.
And then they also mass flag stuff as spam and scams, because
all the algorithms all these platforms are more likely to
just get rid of something if it is a spam, a piece of spam or
especially if it's a scam. So they mass flag comments and
videos to get rid of stuff that is critical to the CCP. That is
my theory about what actually happened. But this could be
completely wrong because YouTube doesn't share a frickin single
piece. have information about what actually happened. So I'm
left here, just feeling around in the dark saying what actually
happened. So I have to think through every single comment
that I've ever made. And that's the only one that I can think of
that might have garnered enough hatred, enough vitriol against
it to be mass flagged. Because if these theories that they have
put forth are true, if this methodology that they have put
forth is true, where the 50 Cent Army, mass flags, comments and
videos as spam, to get them erased, that would make perfect
sense. And it is very effective. Because even though I have the
ban reversed, guess what does not show up, again, my comment,
thanking laowai 86 for making this type of content, making
sure that the comments that are critical of the CCP are erased
forever unless the people who are banned and then get the band
reversed. Remember what they wrote? Then go back to these
videos and type it again, which I'm guessing most people do not
do. They have been successful in silencing that opposition. I
believe
this to be completely true. Yeah, that that makes us
completely, there's no AI that is going through and finding
hate messages or hate speech or anything. This isn't going to
waste any time on that. You have the now he said the 50 cent
crew. But there's a number of them. It all started kind of
with media matters in America, which was initially funded by
the Clintons. Then we have the Was it the the walking the
waking giant or this? Some other outfit? Little Giant woke woke
giant? Something like that? Yeah. And so one thing is, you
know, one way to go is to directly approach advertisers
and say, Hey, you know, your ad is showing up on that website or
is being placed in that podcast or on that YouTube. And you
know, that's hateful, that's horrible. And you post that
publicly and the advertiser goes within seconds done. And the
other way is to report it as hateful is, as such. You know,
we we had an example of that someone was very angry at Tim
Dylan, comedian slash podcaster. And we received at podcast
index, a form note, the same one was received by a couple of app
developers. And it was, you know, this guy's transphobic,
homophobic, squirrel phobic, and all the things that he was, you
need to take them off. That's horrible. And so you know, these
are campaigns and there's a lot of that. And always, when
there's advertisers involved, the pressure is going to work
very swiftly.
Because it's brand it's not brand brand safe
in podcasting. By its very nature is not brand safe, and it
can't be checked, and it will never scale to enormous heights
because of that very reason.
Well, so the the the Andy, the Andy know, thing is very, is
very similar. You know, his, his podcasts were removed on
SoundCloud. He
hadn't even posted an episode for like a year or something. It
wasn't like, yeah,
yeah, it was a long time. And so it was sitting there and and
then he got, he got reversed. And they note that they sent to
him about the reversal. Well, it's the the first thing they
said was they sent him an email saying that your your podcast
had been banned on the grounds of being dedicated to violating
the site's rules. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty specific. Yeah,
dead dead. And not just that you followed community guidelines,
but dedicated to violating the site's rules. Excellent. That
then didn't their reversal. They emailed him said, following an
initial review conducted by a team member, your account was
removed from the platform for violating our terms. We've
conducted additional reviews of the account and found that our
initial conclusions are not an accurate reflection of the
hosted content, and wrote it. And so they said reviewing
reported content is not an automated process. So this takes
time. So that tells me that the reviewing of the reported
content is not an automated process. But the the collection
and action as immediate and automatic is immediate and
automatic. And that is purely for brand safety. In the so he
and I think this is probably still the same type of deal of
being targeted by certain groups. And there's It reminded
me of a of a podcast. I wasn't at Scott Horton show all the
time. And Scott had a gal in there named Ryan Dawson. This is
maybe even a year ago. And it was in the similar similar type
thing. He got kicked off Patreon. Play Dawson one, okay?
Because a lot of my I'm a Patreon refugee. So my Patreon
is writing them because they actually charged everybody for
July even though we only had two days of July content. So I told
them Don't Don't let them take your money. And so I have, I've
got three different reasons that they've given and people have
screenshot this and given them to me one was accusing me of
using racial slurs about the black community, which I never
did. Another was religious bigotry, which I don't even talk
about religion. And another one was pornography with child porn
and BC ality which I've also never done. So they can't even
make up a good reason.
Yeah, that sounds like a standard derbe Reporting
Template.
Yeah, it's a hit job. And so the this is, if people are not
aware, this is very similar to the way that things work in, in
war with, with Nate, the native populations of war. So like, you
can look at it in Afghanistan, this happened a lot, where you
would have a tribe, tribal leader that would go to the US
drone base there and say, Hey, this other tribe is harboring
terrorists down the, you know, in the here's the location,
here's what you need to drone. here's,
here's the GPS coordinates. Yes, we'll light it up for you.
Yep. And then come to find out, they weren't harboring
terrorists, they were just having a, they were just wedding
a lot always
a wedding. Yeah, it was always a wedding,
a long running dispute with this other tribe. And they just they
used the Americans to get to take them out. Same same type of
deal. And so play in that's, I think,
adults and two will flesh that out. They're not only the same
time, though, I mean, if you're running things at Patreon, then
you know that you're gonna have they have an entire department
for dealing with tattletales. Right? I mean, they have to,
yeah, judges every day somebody is trying to get somebody else
kicked off of there. And so they can't just give in to everybody.
They have to have some standards about how they do this, right? I
know that somebody is in charge, not just a computer.
Well, it's, it's almost a computer because it's NPCs. They
just think it's almost like a sport to cancel people like I
got one, I think they get rewarded for it or something. So
I have some very powerful people. And they wrote on
Twitter, like, after they got me kicked off Pay Pal. They're like
his Patreon is next.
You know, that's partially true. I'd love to I want to listen to
the rest of the presentation before I comment. But the real
reason, there's a real reason why Patreon has to cancel
certain people. And that and I wonder if that's going to come
up in this conversation?
Well, it has real impact on people's lives. I mean, this,
you can and I, and this is kind of where I'm going with this.
The real impact that it has on people's finances and their life
can lead to real consequences. And I'm wondering if that's why.
Well go ahead and play Dawson, three, and we'll talk about
Yeah, so I don't I don't even know this time what the excuses
because I've been given so many different reasons. But the
people that were celebrating me getting kicked off had also done
the same thing. When they had me thrown off PayPal. I was done
with PayPal twice. I was able to call them and reason with them
and get back on. I think it was back in 2014. The first time I
was thrown off, but this time, it's just there is no one there
are completely unreachable. At this point. I'm like, What am I
even being accused of breaking these rules? Like which rule Am
I supposed to have broken? And what did I do? It doesn't
matter, there is no recourse that you can do. So I switched.
You know, I had Patreon. I always had redundancy. Why it
kicked off that I go to subscribe star Well, that's not
available in Japan. So all I have left is membership on my
website until they get rid at two, I suppose. And it's really
bad timing. I got another baby on the way and I'm just trying
to fight against all these evil things. You know,
what always I find interesting is you hear this a lot. Well,
I've got a secondary channel. I've got a backup over here. I
also have an account on that. Yo, how about looking at a
permanent solution. If you're doing that kind of work anyway,
maybe there's something out there that will work that is not
at the mercy of some Corporation.
Yeah, well, I mean that that's it.
Yeah, of course. It's this is horrible When this happens, and
we can laugh about it. But yeah, I'm sure the Weinstein's that
have their family income disappeared overnight. I'm sure
that hurts the same for this guy with a Beyond the way, of course
it hurts. These are the lessons that people are not learning
from others over
and over the radio, the radio silence from the from the
platform is the one that I think is interesting because if you
eat earlier in the in the show, he talks about how, in the early
days, if he got canceled off of off of PayPal, you could call
him up, or you could write him a letter, and they would respond,
and they would tell you what's going on. And they would help
you. But now, it seems like all these platforms have just
adopted a strategy of complete silence, you get you get deep
platformed. And you don't get any response.
No, no agenda show has an account manager to paypal. And I
have to say they've been fantastic. But there's a lot of
automated stuff. And so this was a few I don't know if we talked
about this a couple, maybe two months back, all of a sudden,
you could not donate to the show. If you if you hit the Pay
Pal be like sorry, this organization is not authorized
to receive payments at this moment. So okay. And what had
happened is someone had sent in a donation on a specific date.
And in the donation note had mentioned, you know, unabomber?
Really, yeah, all kinds of crap like that. So the Bing bing bing
bing, bing, bing, bing. Yeah. So, but now, of course, you
know, we were, we're probably a medium size podcast account for
them. So we have an account manager, and they're very
helpful so that, that works great. But I am sure that if we
as podcast index had a problem, we would not get anybody on the
phone.
No, I don't. I don't think we're childsplay. Yeah, we're paying.
We're pennies. Do you
want to thank some people before we go into four? I'm sorry. No,
no, we'll finish it up. We'll finish it up.
Okay, all right. Well, that because because number four is a
is a plot twist. So yeah, go for it. I think like no one believed
them. Like what all my patrons have been watching me for years.
Like he doesn't do any of that. Or reading and so no you could
do to is just call them racist. Go look, man. I'm an American
Indian. And if you got that card,
good luck slam the
hell out of you with it. I know. Like, I was like the second most
prominent American Indian on Patreon. Probably, probably
definitely the top 10. I yeah, I don't hate playing the race
card. But I'll do it for my family because I got to do
something. But it's crazy. Do you know?
Yeah, that won't work. It won't work.
Do you think it's interesting, though, that they deep
platformed, the Native American minority group, you know, that's
like, Oh, whoops. Oh,
but but Oh, you're acting? I got it. I thought something really
happened? Oh, no, no, no good acting, you got me. here's the
here's the problem. And the reason to the two goals we set
out when we started podcast index was to preserve podcasting
as a platform for free speech. And to retool it into a platform
of value. These two things are taking place right before our
eyes with this Patreon. So it's taken down, because people don't
like what you're saying. And the mechanism that's used is
leveraged from the payment processor that Patreon uses,
Patreon itself may not care that much. I don't know if the
founders really care. I don't I think that they would rather not
have to deal with this or just have a way to say sorry, free
speech over here. But MasterCard is their payment processor,
MasterCard, founding member of the World Economic Forum that
Davos at the great reset. They don't want any controversy. They
want big brands to be sponsoring everything. They want the woke
message, and it's their brand Patreon is owned, not
financially or legally, but their whole process is owned by
MasterCard. And if it's not them, then it's the banks who
are doing the same thing because the board they have a board
meeting or their board of directors doesn't like a certain
a certain tone idea or product. Guns is a good one. Marijuana is
another one. sex work. These are the these are the easy ones to
throw out. that's been going on for years. payday loans, if you
provide those No, I can't do it your being. Now there's good and
bad about that. But the point is the gatekeepers are at a lower
level you never hear about and Patreon is not really the
problem if the choice that is being made for the money route.
And they're screwing with you. This is your international
banking system. mastercards a big part of that.
Well, then that leads me to this, Andy No, he replied to
soundcloud and he said I demand to know the decision making
process your team member on Took blah, blah, blah. Well, no, I
mean, radio silence again. I, I wonder if there is sort of like
the route of, you know, the Robin Hood thing where they send
this guy letter and then you commit suicide? I mean, like, I
wonder if there is an issue here, where the radio silence is
a protective measure? Where, okay, so they're gonna, they're
gonna send you a note and say, Okay, you've been banned off off
of our platform? And what if somebody, if that's their entire
income, in response to that they are so decimated by this, that
they just they commit suicide? And then they find out? And then
they find out later? Oh, oh, my bad. We're sorry. It was
actually somebody else reported you. And that was fault. And now
and what now? We take it back. Sure. When that was an accident.
It's like, I wonder if there's a liability issue here where
they're afraid that their destruction that they make calls
to people's financial lives and possibly real lives? Could could
come back on them? If they communicate too much?
No, because they are protected by two things. One is the terms
of service that everybody doesn't read and signed up for,
which completely indemnifies them. And if that's the problem,
section 230 is right there to literally protect them from
liability from anything. Okay, pick it up. You want to respond?
Oh, well, I mean, that's, that's true. I think that the bigger
the bigger question I have, is how, how this goes down with
regards to individual, individual people's lives and
their decision making? I mean, so you have somebody like
Weinstein, who people have been like, talking to him on Twitter
all the time. Hey, do podcast YouTube wants to do podcast me
2.0. And there just seems to be this resistance. Amongst the hit
out, I don't know if it's just him or other people or whatever.
There's this resistance to, to the concepts? Well, the only
thing it's like, they think it's sort of like the whole Peter
wells thing. If a big company big platform doesn't do it, then
then it's like, doesn't exist or does not legit or don't
understand.
Yes, not legit. It's also people are conditioned to only work
with I mean, this is this is the same with with podcasting,
journalism. What's the talk mainly about how great these
these big companies are, people want feel comfortable with big
companies that that that provides validity to what
they're doing to their product. If you are part of Patreon, you
know, Patreon is a brand by itself to or if you're part of
Spotify, that no your official I mean, this is this is how it
works, or how it's always worked. I think that's what's
changing. I think that is people are starting to move away. He's
like, well, you know who no one wants to be on Twitter. Now
look. So now, the Trump Organization? I think it's with
I'm not sure exactly the story with this app with this
platform, they're launching, get her g TTR.
I think
it's just starting, it's going to be a social network.
Which is the tries Trump though he's doing it.
Yeah, I was sure he was going to do it. But the strategy right
there, you know, they have an app. Okay, let's see how long
that lasts before it's taken out of the App Store. So it's the
same crap, although and that that is a bigger problem than I
think anyone wants to admit, the App Store. You can show someone
a great experience, I can send them a link to a pod friend,
Curio caster or a pod verse web page, because like, that's
great. Well, why isn't there an app? I need an app, it has to be
an app. If it's not an app. I mean, it's not real, is it?
There's a lot of that going on?
Well, I think some of that on the apple side of things is
because Apple has intentionally kneecapped their progressive web
app technology because they they want to box in the native apps
and make them make them the only first class citizens on the on
the platform. And there's real drawbacks to trying to use a pw
a mean, we've, we've seen Martin, just banging his head
against the wall, you know, the way wailing about the
shortcomings of the PDB architecture on the iPhone. And
that's, that's the thing that it's it's real is not going
to get any better. NACA is only going to get worse. They're
closing down more stuff there. They have built a completely
beautiful, safe environment for their users. And pirates, not
welcome. Especially if you're not paying a toll at the door.
So I know I know that people are seeing this I know they are
breaking out of this thinking Bitcoin is so analogous Bitcoin
is important important part of what we're doing, not just
because of the payment but the thinking itself like, Oh, we can
actually use a different form of value to transfer value between
each other. So mastodon, the fediverse is another version of
that, is it quote unquote, mainstream? No. Will it ever be
mainstream? Maybe not? Maybe not. You know, there's still
always a lot of people who were perfect Look, I've been under
the radar. No one even knew I'd invented podcasting. Up until
two years ago, the whole generation grew up thinking this
was invented by the fine folks at cereal podcast and NPR or
there was just apple or Steve Jobs or any of this why because
I have a podcast and an audience while large a million people I
hate for them to show up at the door all at once. But it's not
it's not a quote unquote mainstream hit as people would
expect it but I'm making a living devore x making a living
and we're and we're affecting lives we're changing people's
opinions we're changing our owns it's a very beautiful experience
but you got to get over the I'm going to be number one I'm going
to be Joe Rogan is fake Joe Rogan Sophia with an hour the
call me daddy. These three guys at Amazon. Three dudes. Three
dudes. In a warehouse. It's fake. Its fake, then it's a it's
a scam to trick you. To here's where successful people are.
This is where you want to be.
Like Caitlin's description is three three wide dude three rich
white dudes and never heard of that's
that pisses me off. He's always like, well, three privilege guy
wasn't white. It was privileged white men and I despise that
talk. I heard it. I don't like that. It's like said the
privileged white man. Like Shut up. He says me off. It is good
to see communities of color and LGBTQ plus community newsflash
brown people, black people, they're people. They're not a
community. lesbians, gay bisexual, transsexual queer
plus, not a community. That is the true bias. Sorry,
they're just people.
They're just people don't be you and you long people into a
category like that. your your your week.
They did you say the hit. There's a hit piece on Rogen.
And the New York Times
I read about it. I haven't I haven't seen it yet. What what?
What is it?
I have not. I haven't read through it. 100% yet, either.
But it's got. I don't know. I don't want to talk about I won't
talk about it next week. Because it's a long article. And I want
to be able to talk.
too big to cancel too big to cancel. Okay, well, I'll have to
read through it. Because I'm gonna have to send him a note.
Before you before we do donations Do you want I'm
supposed to remind you to tell your TBL story.
The Tim berners Lee story.
Oh, yeah. Okay. TBL. I didn't know who that what that was
Tim berners. Lee, the inventor of the World Wide Web. Okay,
well, I can't remember this came up on the last show. And I
forgot to tell it but it doesn't make any sense today. But I'm
happy to happy to relate. So there's no context for this
other than I was reminded to tell you, Tim berners Lee, who
was working in the in London in some the camera of exactly what
his capacity was. But one day I got a letter at and was living
in London, at my home from the queen. And it was an invitation
to the relaunch of the royal family website. And would I
please come to Buckingham Palace to celebrate with the queen and
Tim berners Lee had invited me Jordan put me on the Queen's
list. I've never met I'd never met him like met him then of
course, I'd never met him before. So I was like, Wow, that
is and I went It was unbelievable. I went through the
front gates. You know if you ever be have ever been to
Buckingham Palace, you know, there's a big gate around it and
then you can ruin people stand in front of it watching the
changing of the guard. So they picked me up in her Mercedes,
which I will say is quite a violation of any any code. Now
that's German. Yes, exactly. Yeah, and they picked me up in
the in the bands. And they go right right to the front gate,
you know, people parted ways, you know, and then they open the
gate. Let me in. And yeah, that's a whole much longer
story, but it was quite fun to meet the queen who was standing
on a box. Very, very petite woman. And it was a very surreal
experience in Buckinghamshire, Which is the portion I was in is
clearly the reception, you know, where were you? Where you have
these types of functions, but there were some phenomenal art
in this waiting hall where we all had to kind of were stage
for a while. And another clue there was I went to the restroom
like I'm totally stealing a Buckingham Palace towel or Soper
nap nailed to the wall dispensers? Yeah. Hey, they know
what's going on. That was my to do story.
Yeah, they don't want they don't want to duck in their bathrooms.
This is a value for value podcast itself. If you wonder if
these things can actually work. Here's your proof. We were close
to a year now of podcasting. 2.0. It is supporting podcast
index.org completely. Now we are not paying ourselves anything.
But that's not the point of this exercise. The it's supported by
the people who are interested in it, have a stake in it and who
just want to support it. And that's why it's value for value
in this podcast is a part of that as well. And we love
receiving boosts from you whenever that is whenever that's
possible boost if you're listening to a to the show on a
podcast and 2.0 compatible app. If not Shame on you. Go to new
podcast apps calm. And if you really can't do it any other way
than we do accept your cookbooks through the PayPal, go to
podcast index.org. Scroll down to the bottom hit the big red
donation button and you're good to go. And who can we thank
today for supporting us for yet another week.
We have got out of the gate Chris Arnold said $33.33 he says
go podcast and keep up the good work boys sir seat sitter
podcast.
Get two donations both for $21 from top notch tech consulting.
And I helped him get his podcast set up on value for value. So he
said he would throw us a donation. Cool. Yeah. And he
just says history. MB money. Thanks. I'm not sure what that
what's the what's the amount of means. What's the amount one?
There's two donations both in the amount of $21.
So $42 total? Well, 42 is the answer to all things in the
universe.
That's it. It worked itself out. Yeah. Okay, so that's top notch.
And that's all of our weekly donors. And low.
Oh, that's that's it. That's our final tally.
That's the way that's the weekly Yeah, I mean, that's the one
time donors we get some monthly,
right. And we thank them at the end of the month or the
beginning of the month. When do we thank them?
Well, I just do, man.
Yeah. Oh, wow.
Sir, hey, moose. $50. Huh? Leslie Martin. $2 drip Scott
$15. Michael Michael camera are $5.33 Jeff Miller $20 Terry
Keller $4.11. Pedro gone. calvus $5 Aaron Renaud $5. Mark Graham
$1 droid works, LLC $20. And Scott Joubert $12 did we do? Did
we, we figured out who droid works, LLC was one day, I don't
remember, I forget, every single time,
I realized there's a critical flaw in nice. I love hearing
these, these donation amounts, the 411. There's a dot 33. These
are all code. These are all fun. And they're meaningful to the
people who send them which is what any donation should be is
meaningful to you. And we appreciate this very much. The
problem that or that what we didn't think through completely,
I think we've probably touched on it with the we didn't think
anything through That's correct. If someone sends you a boost
amount, or an amount, stream amount, and you have a value
split, even, even with the index, and the app that you're
using, the amount will never come through as an as was
intended. So you mean, well, so if someone sends 33 satoshis to
me, like oh, I'm gonna send this podcast 33 satoshis. I will
maybe receive 17. So I can never trace back to the original was
the 33. Something for the T o v records we could do maybe? I
don't think so.
No, we met Yeah, that's a good point. Like that. That could be
done in the TLV. You could see like you could put in there what
the original the original mount
was. I think that that's something to consider because
it's such an I mean, look at it. every single week. We have
donations that are coded messages he was to donations
together. He's 42, we figured it out, we had a good laugh, it's
part of the value for value system, the dot 30, threes, all
of this stuff, the four elevens, the 420s. So that would be
something that'd be very valuable to have the original
amount in the TLV record that comes through.
I'm looking at the Seven, six to 9169 record, which is the one
that everybody is using, except Sphinx thanks is using a
different one. And it has in here it has value in in
milliseconds is one of the fields. So that that means that
it could be embedded in here, according to the record, that
will be good. That would be very good. Yeah, yeah, it's got it
right here. So if we can get everybody to add that to their
app, that would fix that problem. Let me say, you know
what,
I mean, it's not a huge problem. But I'd love to get it kind of
working. Before things roll out pretty, pretty big. It's
already, you know, Satoshi streams already using this. And
they can't calculate it either. I'll bet.
So Steven, Steven B, who we're gonna have on the show, we just
have gotten completely out of my out of the guests mindset
lately. So I got to get back in that. So the Matt, Steven is
going to set up his tip jar to support putting in a memo says
you can send, you know, donation in the tip jar. So then we can
just make sure that his when he sends that, I'll let him know
that carries carries
along the original amount. But the tip jar, but the tip jar is
also split amongst the app. And so the percentage of the error?
No, no, no, because he splits it out in the tip jar breaks out
the split. And you can send your tip to one to any one of those
parties. You can choose like, for for us if it has made me and
you with each with a fee. No,
no, I understand. I understand that. But does the app take 1%
and podcast index take 1% of that payment? Because they're
using our API, I would venture to say yes.
No, I don't think so at that point, because at that point,
it's just a pure key send from the app. It's not, it's not
doing, it's not doing the fees anymore. It's not doing the
various splits at that point is just a single key send. There's
a few tags, if you take it, the boosts get a split. And the per
minute streaming gets a split. But the tip jar is just
something that's a function on top of all that,
right. Okay. Yeah, you can tip the app itself directly from
there and Yes, okay. Okay.
Yes. splitter that,
but nobody does, it's more important. To me. The tip is one
thing. Because you know, the last thing I want is people
going straight to the tip jar and just doing their cool
numbers, and then the app gets nothing. You can't do that.
That's not cool.
Well, I don't think that'll happen personally. Because then
that because the boost is the is the fun part. The boost is where
you want to
have the numbers. Yeah. And so that's where you want to have
the the original amount travel along with the record. But also,
there's lots of people who do, but the permanent is not that
big. I mean, it's easy to put it in. It's not that big a deal.
Yeah. But for boost, I think that would be the main that's
that's the juicy part to have that. Because that's really
where people want to send the show something which carries all
the way down the line.
Yeah, and if both of them have the original amount listed in
the TLV, and and then it's fine either way, because you're gonna
guess See, and then even if you booze as always boosts 2112
that's my rush boost. And then I know like that, that people can
tell especially because there's not there's still small. I like
to know that the podcaster can see that come in and know that
it was me.
Right, but I can't see that on any of my shows.
Yeah, cuz you can't because it takes the fees. The routing.
Exactly,
exactly.
Yeah, we got to fix that.
So, let me thank everybody once again for supporting the
project. Especially
at night. I got a night note to read the Friday night. Go go go,
Damon. Well, he says you pronounce it. Castle jack. Okay,
yeah, castle jack. He just wrote in a note for he forgot for his
last donation last week. And it says animals Radek came over
from na were a hold the title Night of the leap of the lepus
Lipa slept LTP us I don't know how you pronounce that. I don't
know. I just want to thank both of you sincerely for the work
you're doing. I truly believe you're doing something
remarkable. It has the potential to affect the world and power
The way free expression is vital to for us to move forward and
expand our understanding of the world and ourselves. podcasts
can also act as time capsules for how the world understands
the past. I would like future historians to have an honest
picture of how people spoke about the topics of the day and
not skewed versions, influenced by powerful brokers about
people's fear of losing their voices. Good luck to you. And
thanks, that's regarded as very
kind of event. And and thank you to everyone who's involved in
the project. All the developers, all the historians, the
journalists, the thinkers, the testers, the fans, everyone has
a role to play, and it's all working beautifully.
And I thought people might want to see our hosting bill. Yes.
Our our hosting bill this month with $423.86.
Still some 500. Dave, that's fantastic.
Yeah, we're still doing good on that. We've got quite a few or
it went up, it was around 350 for a while. And it went up
because I had to boost the capacity on or bump up the VM
size more crystals. Yes, yes, exactly. 2.4 gigawatts of power
on the on the nodes. So we got the big ones, the database
server, and then we got a bunch of $20 month aggregator nodes.
And we got a couple of dedicated VMs that are $30 a month for the
front end. Anyway, that's the way that rolls out. $423.86. All
right, well, thank you all, now you know exactly where it went.
And we also opened up a sizable channel, which we didn't really
spend the money spent a little bit to open it with lm pay,
we appreciate that. That was That was really good. Because
that saves everybody fees, and hops. And podcasts index is is
routing, I think feliss I have to run through the channels
every single time. Some of that still kind of wonky. It's like I
think autopilot may close and open things and they set set a
default fee. So but we try to keep that at zero for but it's
kind of a cat and mouse game because you set it low. And then
what happens invariably is someone uses your route to send
a million satoshis to some external source and it runs
through us and then we have a liquidity problem. So it's kind
of a given take, got to figure it out. We might do a private
channel with them just to just to to stop that.
Should we turn off autopilot?
I'm not so sure I'm you know, the new heuristics of it are
apparently really good. But um, I does really good mean good for
micro payments. Not so sure.
So but that's not question two,
what's kind of not broken right now. So I'm, I'm very careful
with changes like this.
But and the reason I asked is because every time every now and
then I see channels open and close, and then I see the hit
that it has when when you have that on chain transaction fee.
And then I'm like, Well, did we really need that channel, I
don't know, I'm closing channels that we don't need, replacing
ones that are too small with bigger ones than closing the
original ones. But also learning to rebalance. And people running
their own nodes need to learn this as well. We all need to
learn how it works. But I think it comes back to what we said
earlier, the lightning network was not really launched with
true Mike or maybe even architected to a degree with
true micro payments in mind. It works really well. But micro
payments are, you know, one Satoshi. It's almost like
everyone was saying, well, your refrigerator can order your milk
one day. And so here we have the refrigerator ordering the milk.
It costs one Satoshi that was always well, you can just send
one set one Satoshi. I know you can't that can cost you seven
sets just to send that one. Satoshi. Yeah, right. So you
know, and that kind of goes against the whole idea of this.
This network that is you know, ad hoc, by its very nature and
kind of forces us towards Okay, we're building our own little
private network. And it's going to have to be private at some
point, ie the channels cannot be discoverable by other routes,
because they capture our routes and use them which is fair, but
then we we struggle with liquidity. And we've been doing
it for free for them. And I'm sure there's all kinds of
configurations and stuff to do. But it's you know, early days,
can you have certain channels that have deterred loafie it Can
you can you set the routing fee per channel? Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Because we, I mean, we could have higher routing fees on
channel, you know, on the other channels and then have lower
ones on just designated ones. No,
but the problem is if it's discoverable, It's not a direct
peer to peer or we know it's only coming from one source,
it's on the graph. And then if someone needs to get the LM pay
and send 20,000, satoshis, or 200,000, or 2 million, it comes
through us through us. And then we take no fee, and then we lose
our liquidity, which is exactly the opposite of how it's
supposed to work.
Right? Yeah. So that's why you're talking about a private
channel that Yeah, yeah.
If it's private, then it's not on the graph, and it won't be
used, or at least that's what I understand.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Now, speaking of that, let's just be, let's be open about
something here. It's time to talk about Sphinx chat, because
we're having trouble. And I want to make sure that, you know,
we're not just letting this pass by, that everyone understands
that Sphinx chat is not really functioning for most people
right now. And there's been a lot of outreach. I'm not quite
sure what's going on. But we're the ones getting a lot of the
feedback. And you know, I've been passing on trying to reach
out I know, a couple other people have, I'm not sure what's
happening. But it doesn't seem like and it is springs, Chad
itself was kind of the nonprofit, let's do good for the
world of a company that does other things with that app and
with with the lightning network, which stack works.
Yep, stack working,
stack work. And, and, and they do phenomenal, phenomenal, very
interesting stuff they're doing. But it's a small organization. I
think they've kind of, you know, left us to our own devices for a
while or I don't know, it seems like things are clogging up.
Yeah, they they're that model they have of running a whole lot
of private nodes and having that route through a single number
routing
rate for micro payments for high volume, low or high quantity,
low value micro payments. You're right. I don't think that works
very well.
Yeah, everybody we've talked to said that that's this. That's a
hard. That's a hard model to use for this type of thing. And they
seem to be have their focus in other places. Yeah, right now,
because we just hadn't heard anything from Paul or Evan or
anybody in a long time. So I'm not I'm not sure that I know.
named Jennifer, who was having a lot of problems with the app the
other day, James, cradling has had problems with the app. I
asked us. I mean, I get maybe three boosts that show up per
tribe, and almost no messages.
Yeah. But you're no agenda. Feed, like the podcast doesn't
even show up in the tribe for me anymore.
Really? Oh, it shows it shows up for me.
It shows up for a lot of people, but I don't see it on my app at
all. It never pops up. The other ones work. But not the no
agenda. One doesn't work.
Yeah. So maybe maybe you're in the wrong and maybe you're in
the wrong tribe. Maybe there's a secondary tribe? Who knows?
Yeah, I don't know. It's the right tribe. But it's just I
think the app is just flat is just flaky a little bit. I don't
know. I mean, it's, it's, it's hard to know what's going on
over there.
Well, it being an open source product, the clone has been
made. And we need to talk about this as well into n two, which
is run by a guy who I think he had one of the if not the
largest Instagram influencer talent agency. And he cashed out
of that. And he moved to Austin, and he really believes in the
Bitcoin dream. Or vision, I should say. And so he's cloned
Sphinx, and he's spending his own money on it, or he's raising
money. And he's out talking a lot. And we saw him at a Bitcoin
2021. But, um, it seems to be kind of I mean, it's real. I
know that there's an app, I haven't been able to download it
or test it. He's making a lot of noise in the market. And he may
be bringing onboarding people, but I'm not sure exactly if it's
working yet.
Well, you know, he brought on as JP Sears. Yeah, I think I think
that's, I think that's one of his because the routing node
appears to be an into into node that Rex to him. Right?
Well, JPS podcasts showed up with the value blocks, and we
know that that's real.
Yeah. And the problem is that, that we couldn't figure out was
that it only shows $24 of capacity. on that, on that on
that channel. And so um, I just don't understand exactly what's
happening there. Because that would mean that the jaypee can't
get any more than $24
Yeah, that doesn't sound great.
Yes, I'm not I'm just not sure what's happening. With Yeah, and
it's a mystery. And if it's things that stroke if things
have struggled with that routing node model, then then into into
may struggle as well. Yeah. But that there again, and then I
don't know that this was all just sort of opaque. I don't
know they may have figured out some other way to do it. Well,
that we don't have to Stan knows, I don't know,
just making sure we update everybody on that.
Yeah. I mean, if you, I've been telling people that are wanting
to onboard. Unless you, unless you really want the tribe model
where you have all the chat and everything in there. If you want
that, then yet look at the Sphinx style app. Yeah, if you
but if you don't, I mean, if what you care about is just
getting the value for value payments, it's probably better
to go to Elon pay. Yeah. Because you're not because it people
have struggled so much with things at least, you know, for
the moment. So that's, that's then
seven pay.co. And you can sign up for free and create a podcast
or wallet, even says podcast or watch a podcast wallet, and it
gives you the code to either paste directly into your feed or
your ID that you can then use at podcaster wallet.com.
Yeah. Now, ideally, I mean, if you have that, if you have a
podcast that not monetized currently, or a podcast that
has, you are monetized, but you're not, you don't get much,
you know, 250 dollars a month, I'm like that some some small
amount, Dale and pay thing is a good way to go. So you can get
your feet wet, he could play with it. The now if you if you
have a larger podcast that's monetized as well monetized and
you're making significant money off of it, I would probably just
go ahead and roll your own node. Because that really does give
you the most freedom. It's not free. But you can do we know
basically what Dave Jackson did roll his own voltage node. And
then it takes a little bit longer. It's a little bit more
complex, but but you can get help. And then you're set, then
you, john GG set up that way. There's lots of people who they,
they are monetizing in, they get into getting significant income
from their podcast. And when you're in that scenario, it
really, you don't probably want to rely on a custodial solution,
you want to really probably do your own thing. Yeah. And have a
private node,
then and if you're a hobbyist and you'd like doing that kind
of stuff, then by all means, get umbral or raspy Blitz. I
personally like the next level is a voltage node that you
manage entirely yourself, but then they have an option for
wasn't 17 bucks a month. And they give you two. I think it's
2 million satoshis of liquidity right off the bat. So those
channels are managed, it typically works out of the box.
Not always.
the only the only thing that's slow is what days ran in Dave
Jackson ran into which right wasn't showing up on the graph
for a while. Yeah,
yeah, right.
That's just luck of the draw, though. It seems that's just one
of those. Okay, it happens type deals, which is odd.
Yeah. Seems to be. Um,
okay. I feel like we've missed a lot of things that we missed off
that we need to talk about today.
A ton of stuff about a ton of namespace stuff, but we're just
kind of go along. I mean, I guess we'll shut the boot at the
next week. You should Well, if you want to
do some namespace tease you want to be a namespace teaser? Or do
you?
See this week was a week where I did a whole lot of stuff. And I
feel like I don't have anything to show for it.
Okay. All right. Well, we can we can we can carry it over until
next week.
Well, the good stuff. Yeah, this is. Who is it? Alex wrote the
medium podcast medium tag? What is what is doing next week. Now
I remember what I want. I just one thing I wanted to mention.
Okay. So we were talking about using matrix server for cross
app communication. And there's I want to make very clear what I
see going on. I think there's a win for podcast apps, if we can
do YouTube style, comments, that work cross app. And the reason
why is that works. That's what people have been using. It was
very successful for Rogan's community it was very much
missed when that went away. It is a very specific style of
chat. Everyone can see it. There's prior art there. That I
still, you know, we talked about the matrix server and you know,
everyone has their own their own agenda. But right now we have
two camps cross talking and I think it's confusing on podcast
index dot social. So on one hand, I think Alex gates wants
chat. And so he's focusing on live chat where other where what
I'm personally interested in his comments. And so now there's a
disconnect. People are I can see the the the conversation Well, I
thought we're gonna use matrix for for comments. No, that
should be mastodon x MPP for chat. I think I just made it
worse last time, whatever I did. We went nowhere. There's just a
lot of talk. And I personally, I would just say it would be great
if we could have YouTube style comments. What is debilitating?
Is all of these what ifs that we throw up? Well, what if a
podcaster doesn't want comments? You know, these are things that
will that have held podcasting back for a decade. You got to
start somewhere, someone's got to grab something, implement
something, just do something. History shows that when one
developer does something, other ones go, oh, how about this
change? Whatever I'll implement, I'll integrate, maybe do it this
way. And then things happen. Right now. It's just a lot of
talk and 00 action, because I think I've personally confused
it. So I'm rectifying that. But no matter what it is, if it's
chat, you know, if it's chat or comments, whatever anyone wants
to do, let's do it. Because now we're just arguing about why it
won't work for certain people. I don't understand that.
So there's two, the two things are chat, live chat in the in
this episode. And we're thinking about that in terms of matrix.
And then comments and reviews.
I would not put those together. Really? Okay. No, no, because it
will never get it done. is to separate huge problems,
comments, huge problem reviews, even huge problem.
But what are you commenting on that episode that episode? But
that's a comment. Yeah, so a comment, but But where does?
Where does that comment? Where does it exist? I mean, like,
what, cuz I can see live chat within that. No, live chat.
Let's go back to YouTube, you go to a YouTube video. Right? You
scroll down. And there's comments.
Oh, that's in the comments live forever.
And their thread is there. Oh, yeah. And there's threaded and
and i the chat ID is fantastic. But the market is not asking for
that. The market is saying we want comments under and this has
been wanted forever on podcasts. We want to want to have YouTube
style threaded comments on an episode of any podcast.
So you're so you're saying the live chat aspect of that is is
forget it for no i'm
not saying Forget it. But I'm saying for now and they so we do
alive. We have an IRC chat for no agenda. And with each show,
which we've been doing for 14 years, over a million people
listening is 1000 people in the chat. And it's it's fun. And
it's it's a it's cute. There's a lot of shenanigans that goes on.
A lot of unfriendly things being said, but that's the it's art.
It's not even our chat is void zeros. But you know, that's
pretty much permissible. But what you're gonna get next is
you can have, okay, we have a lot and this will happen with
anything, but I think it's easier to do comments, because
when you get to a live chat, you need moderators, and then the
moderators become Nazis and then the people become pissed off
about the Nazis. And need moderators for comments too.
Different than live chat, live chat, you got to be kicking
people or not either you don't do it. And you live with
whatever comes through. I have I have a long time experience with
live chat. And, and it's go look at the difference between a free
for all nobody cares, you might get hurt, your knee might be
skinned chat at no agenda versus twit. twit you breathe wrong and
you're kicked out.
The problem with comments that I'm that I've that I struggle
with is it'd be the technology you can put it together. That
who hosts this is this is the shipwreck that all the apps keep
having to have developers who's going to host the comments by
where? Okay, so if you're if your pod friend, do you run a
car? Do you run an activity both server, B, C and D c?
I thought that the matrix was perfect for chat me for
comments. I screwed up myself. I mean, well, I see. I don't know
how it works under the hood. I'm just looking at the experience
in a very much
more like jabber it's it's not really like a Twitter style,
mastodon style comment, but I'm not
asking for that. I'm asking for An exact replication this and
this. I am the users who I get a lot of feedback from. They want
YouTube style comments.
Right with, we're saying the same thing. I'm just using bad
examples. So the YouTube style comments would have to come
through some sort of federated activity pub type. Yes.
interface. Yes. You could probably do that with matrix
ages to be a whole lot harder.
We want it to be easy, right? I don't know, the reason why we
maybe this was my missing interpretation. I thought Brees,
what Roy said they were going to use matrix. I thought they were
doing it for comments. If it's for chat, all I'm saying is I've
been around for a while people want comments right now, chat is
not top of the list is top of the list for some people, and I
would love to have it myself. But it's not. It's not the wind
for podcasting. 2.0
right. But then I get but there again, my question, though, is
who hosts the server that contains the comment, dude,
I'm the face of the organization, you've got to
figure it out, Dave. I don't want to. I don't like this. I'm
just dreaming, baby. I just, I just throw it over my shoulders
and embarks on someone makes it happen.
Because, like, if I'm Curio caster, I would love to have
comments. But I would not love to have to moderate those
comments. And if they're running on if, if we if they're
federated. And now I have people using pod friend app that are
now commenting on things to get federated over to my activity
pub comment instance. Then I got to be responsible for taking
care of that crap to like, that's, to me, that's the
drawback is it like the tech is there. But the drawback is, is
the workload that it puts on you
as the app developer? So that's completely wrong. That is not
where it belongs. The podcaster needs to be responsible for
that. Yes, how that works. I don't know if that means look,
we're already podcasters have to get a podcast host podcasters
have to get that gear to do that sound like Todd, Todd from
blueberry. Now, pod podcasters have to get gear, podcasts have
do all kinds of things. Now you need to get a wallet. Everybody
wants to shit for free. That's not always going to work. So
what do podcasters need to what do I as a podcaster need to get
to get comments cross app? On my podcast? I will moderate them.
I'm happy to do that.
Well, what if? What if blueberry provides the activity pub
instance for all their customers podcast?
As long as each individual podcaster can moderate their own
comments and respond? are responsible for them? That's,
that's equally as important. But again, here we're doing what if?
What if? What if? What if, show me an instance of it working?
And then we can find out who's responsible? Or how it will or
will not work? We don't really even know without trying?
Well, I can tell you exactly why I can tell you what the why the
what is and exactly what the holdup is here. Because nothing
like this exists. And in order to get a working activity pub
system that will do that death a lot of from scratch code. And
that could be six months of coding. Wow. And if you don't,
you don't nobody wants to commit to it. Until you until you have
all of the pitfalls worked out ahead of time because you don't
want to get three months into it and realize oh,
of course of course. Fair enough.
Yeah, that that's why there's such trepidation on this and
because you can say, you know, you roll out a podcast tag and
then somebody can spend a couple of weeks to
let me just try something Let me try something completely
arbitrary. Okay. And I will be implementing these tags on my
cast upon very soon.
Yes. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna comment on that could
you speak French yet?
You know, Jim appelle Dave,
zit Allah How about this if I if there were a way to integrate it
so very much like an external chapter file cloud chapters
which guess what takes a server takes effort takes you know I'm
using right now a free server speed would be happy to pay for
studio dot hyper catcher calm. So if I set up a mastodon server
cost me five euros to master dot host it would be great to be
able to use that That every that every podcast app would say, oh,
there's comments available through through this mastodon
server and, or through this mastodon account, maybe. But I
as a podcaster would be responsible for the base layer
for the base comment on each episode on my own system. And
that would then flow through to all of the apps and where and I
would moderate it. Probably initially just through the web
browser on the mastodon instance, later on, obviously,
I'd love to moderate it through through the app that I have a
log into. But is that something that's really just web hooks or
hooks into into the system? I have to pass off a certain
parameter for the base comment? Or, you know, we've kind of
discussed that before. Is that something that's doable? Because
it seems relatively simple for me to set it up and maintain it.
And then it kind of leaves the the podcast app developers you
know, hands off except for the integration of whatever URL I
pass off per episode.
Yeah. didn't sound very positive. It's it just helped me
understand what I'm missing. Am I right? Am I wrong in this idea
is if what is there still months of coding? I just want to
understand what I'm not getting.
Possibly the the, the mass didn't Yes, mastodon speaks
activity pub. But it's not probably well suited to that use
case.
But just outside of activity pub, let's just not let's just
just just do the exercise with me because I really don't know
I'm just going I've very little technical knowledge. Perhaps
it's not the activity pub is not interesting at all. In this
case, I'm using a purely and maybe even a non federated
mastodon instance, all it does is it keeps my comments on my
podcast on my server that I can moderate.
right but but it's still activity pub. And that's if
you're going to integrate, you're going to have to
integrate an open standard way. Because you don't want because
otherwise, you're gonna end up with not, you're gonna end up
with mastodon, you're gonna have you're gonna end up with a
system where all the comments in podcasts have to use mastodon.
So you want it to speak the open language so that you're not
tying it to one specific product. Okay, so
that's why you want to use activity pub. Right. And what is
the problem with that?
Well, mastodon is very specific and opinionated in how it uses
activity pub. And so you don't want to you get you've like, I
feel like there may be a sort of that it's complicated. Like,
that's, that's, again, for the trepidation. I feel like what we
need is a model. So it's, that's one thing that we're missing
with this whole conversation with a lot of people can come up
with a lot of different scenarios in which they say,
well, we could do it like this. But what is missing is a ski is
a schematic to say, here's the tag, aggregate the tag, I hand
it off to a podcast app, the podcast app reads the reads a
tag. And here's how it interacts with with an activity pub
instance, whether it's mastodon aroma, whatever. That's what is
missing from this thing, because there's no it's going to be very
easy to get locked in. If we're, if, if you're just thinking in
terms of one product. As if so it's sort of like we're the live
system architecture proposal or discussion on the namespace.
That was very helpful because he sketched out what it was
supposed to what the whole interaction was supposed to look
like, right? And I feel like you know, one, one person that might
be good at this would be Benjamin Bellamy. That could
take because he's him. He's got a lot of ideas around activity
pub. Yeah, I feel like he could write out a schematic that shows
where the interaction points are between the tag, the comment
server and the app. I really think that's what's missing
here. Because there's, there's so many ways you can do it, and
you can get it wrong. And go a level too high. And excuse me a
level too low. Yeah. And then you're locked up is not, you're
gonna, it's not open anymore. That's the,
we don't want to explain that. No, we I gotcha. And I think
you're pointing towards exactly the right person. Because when
we had one of our first dev jitsi calls, I remember it was
it was him and Martin, we're having this exact conversation.
Right. And Benjamin and Mark Martin was saying, well, I just
want to just put some web hooks in and then anyone else can tie
into my web hooks and we'll be done with it. And then he you
know, he proposed to his girlfriend and bought a house
and all this stuff, and then he gave up on it. I'm just kidding.
But Benjamin was was very clear about that. So Benjamin, Bouvier
Bula jaunty last night there Yeah, I think I think I asked
him to help.
Better than me. Oh, I know is like animal names. of all his
horse shoes. Yes.
Yes. The douche shovel. The two CV sutra when famous automobile
Made in France two horsepower. Oh, you got to look at if you
ever seen it. No. It's called the duck the sutra. When to
suture when to CV. Go and go and search for it right now.
That he spills situ in CIT.
R o n. There's a boom Laos over the E but you don't have to do
that.
Does it get a little as it has a little standard? Oh, no. No
font. Oh,
hang on the button. No, no, no. dangling thingy. No.
Okay. citra one what to CV? Two CV.
I had one of these cars. Oh, it's red. It's made of tin.
It's, it has its convertible. You know it's I mean, it's you
have to roll it back like a sardine can. Oh, does it have a
wind up on the back? Oh, in fact every suitor when has a crank
shaft you can still start it with a hand crank in the front.
Nice even the modern ones. Even the modern the high end
limousine still I think so have the crankshaft but the to
crap. How would you crank that it's probably like a million
pounds of compression on that. henshin Well, not on this was
like a cylinder is
a two horsepower, two horsepower. There's nothing in
there. I think it's I don't know if it has three cylinders.
Can't remember the Chevelle?
Yeah. Camera. But what's cool about it is the gearshift is on
the dashboard. And it's it's basically a rod that goes
through the it's called the facia to be technical about it
through the facia, what we know is the dashboard through a hole
straight to the block. And so it has like, it has like a black
billiard ball on it. So and if you can look for an inside
picture, you'll see it and I think it's three speed. So to
the left and forward, that's gear one thing you pull back,
that's two and then you move it to the middle and push forward.
That's the third gear and then reverses obviously to the right
and back. It is phenomenal vehicle. Do you still same all
over the place, especially Caribbean islands.
That's my that's my anti theft mechanism for my truck. But my
daily drivers a 65 Ford Ford pickup, and it uses a three on
the column nice. Nobody, no one knows how to drive it. That's my
best theft deterrent.
Alright, well, I think we've given people something to think
about. A and I look forward to whatever we do. I'm just saying
I know where the winds are. I can feel that one.
Yeah, and it would it's a great way to get people to use an app.
It's easily the most complicated thing that's going to happen in
the namespace.
I hate hearing that.
A weird, easily. I mean, like and it's, well, look how hard
look how long it took for something to compete with
Twitter. It's just federating federating of comments in a way
that's sane. is not easy,
but no, no doubt, no doubt.
The The other thing would be that I feel like it's time for
the live tag. But I don't know how you feel about that. But I
feel like I would like to see some motion on that now that we
have piping in place.
I think I think that that's already I'm not going to stop
anything. Because I'll use it, obviously, and I think but let's
just be clear what we're doing because there's confusion. So
either we're doing live live stream, alternate enclosure,
live chat, or doing something else. Sorry.
That is the same. So like, the reason it's time for live is
because we now have alternate enclosure and pod pain. So we
had to lay those two things down first. Now, okay, guy got we can
put the live tag in there with an alternate enclosure
specifying the stream.
Yeah, and the Babel signal through the hive to the hive
thing. Am I right? The bat signal to the hive say yes,
but the reason I'm laughing is because if somebody came drops
in this conversation, they have no idea what the hell we're
talking Hey, everybody, the best thing to do the half thing
that's there you go podcasting 2.0 in a nutshell, what do we do
the bad signals to the hive thing? Get it got it good. So
much to think about. So much to think about. Alright, so we'll
focus on that and maybe Benjamin Bellamy can draw up a model for
the comments.
And if he will, I'd love him for it. Ah,
of course he will. This is his wheelhouse. He's been waiting to
pounce. Yes, we buttered him up with my knowledge of the dough
shovel. So now now it's just like, he's good to go. It's in
the pocket tape. Don't worry about it.
Score. Excellent thing go.
Oh, my goodness. All right. We should stop this show. Is anyone
still listening? No, no. It's just to come on. Come on kid a
boost.
You know you want to we know Tim will.
We already have in mind control. Alright. Holy crap, man. I'm
gonna go do some farraday caging and ordering of stuff and I
gotta go figure some things out. I Tina, the keepers not happy
that all the lights have to be off in the house while I'm doing
a show because that's kind of annoying. Because they're all on
dimmers. It's, uh, Oh, my goodness. I think I'm gonna have
to start but it's easier to change out the microphone than
change out all the dimmers. I think.
That's because you love that mind. Yeah, I
don't know. I mean, it's, it's, I think these things are just
broadcast and mind you. I'm D smart, smart defying this house
that we bought. The guy had literally everything smart door
locks, you know, the doorbell and all of these, all of these
items, including smart lights. I don't know if these dimmers are
controllable or not. They all have their own transceivers, you
know, they create their own mesh network amongst each other,
which is part of the Amazon sidewalk project, part of the
Bluetooth spec, if you believe it, then they're all
communicating and sending data and passing on packets. And
it's, it's, you know, it's a transceivers on a chip. So it's
not going to be, you know, really well shielded for
harmonics, etc.
You're going to plug your piehole in and think that things
just gonna melt?
No, no, because that traffic doesn't go through the through
through Wi Fi. It. They're broadcasting it down the street.
They're broadcasting the blue, this is how the apple, find your
luggage tag works. Now that I've been reading up on this, it's
disgusting.
Yeah, there's peer to peer thing. Yes, your
Smart TV is doing this. And if it didn't, it's embedded in
their chips. They can turn it on. And then all of a sudden, it
shared AKG I can't put a Faraday cage around the TV now. Can I
makes it hard to watch? No. You said the whole house. Yes. Okay,
Dave, I'm on it.
Or just wrap your head in it is wrapped around your head.
Next week. I think we have Eric coming on as a guest. Is that
correct? or the week after? Yeah. Okay. Thanks, Nick. Great.
Great. He'll give us an update on what he's doing in the back
office. It'll be fun.
I wonder if the ra 20 would be better. Or if it's going to
suffer from the same problem. It may even be worse. Why?
I don't know this. This is supposed to be kind of the 320s
supposed to be the the throw it around. It'll be it'll work.
Okay, type thing is speed as loud as you can. And the end.
The 20 is a very beautiful high end expensive microphone.
So it's a fickle monster, I guess might be mine be. Oh,
well. You'll figure it out.
Yeah, I hope so.
Andrew, average 17 orders of part you'll figure it out. He's
anything else I can do for you my friend.
No, man. No, I'm good. What's you doing? Happy Fourth of July.
Thank you. Yes, Happy Independence Day. We'll be
celebrating here in the in the heart of Texas hilker To be
interesting, real ugly, real Americana
as pflugerville
pflugerville is great to Schlitterbahn says hi. It's not
even near where we live. I buddy Have a great weekend day MSA.
Everybody. Thank you so much for joining the board meeting. Sorry
it went a little bit long but you will enjoy your weekend.
We'll be back next week with another episode of podcasting
2.0
You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 visit podcast in
this dipole for more information.