Casting 2.0 for July 23 2021, Episode 47. We got a Mongo in
the Congo. Yeah. Come on in everybody. It's time once again
for your weekly board meeting. Right here. podcasting point.
Oh, everything going on to podcast index.org podcast index
dot social. Your namespace, your index. Your board meeting. I'm
Adam Curry here in the heart of Hill Country, Texas and in
Alabama, our man representing and podcast movement my friend
on the other end, Mr. Dave Jones. Hello, comrade. Yes,
hello, comrade.
That's all it's all for you. You know, we're getting it away.
We're all socialists now. That's
correct. It's exactly what's going on.
We just did the may make coffee here. Is that from last week's
board meeting? Cuz that thing looks tough. No,
no, no, no, I'd take the one on the left. You definitely don't
want that one. Hey, Dave, how you doing?
I'm doing good. I'm recovering from a pretty weird week. I
mean, like, somebody ran into we have a retaining wall on the
front of our house and oh,
no, you're on that street? I think right. The busy street.
Yes. really busy. Somebody evidently just like backed into
our retaining wall and not like just knocked a big chunk of it
down. There's crap laying everywhere like bricks. And he
didn't leave a note. No, no, I did.
I did. Even our truck probably wouldn't even know it.
Yeah. So now we have like, we got to clean it up and all
stuff. And we have a rooster growing in our backyard. We got
chickens. A few weeks, you know, but about three or four months
ago. Yeah. And now we're waking up every morning to the to the
rooster. So one of them's a rooster and he's crowing
so it feels just like Miami. It does. It's like deja vu man.
What time does he wake up said rooster.
Typically right now about 730
Oh, that sounds good. All right. No.
Too bad. He's got to go though.
He has to go.
Hmm. He's going to freezer he's going to freezer camp.
That can eat a rooster. I guess so.
Oh, you can eat anything? Yeah. Well, thanks, Dave.
Thanks. Thanks, Mr. Alabama. I know that about you.
Let's squirrel me again.
Yeah, Hey, man, just before the show started, something really
amazing popped up. has one of the past a pod been fixed on the
Import? I don't
know. I'm gonna try it
out, though. I can't. I'm getting excited. I'm trying to
temper myself.
I feel like Ben would not have put that in the change log.
Unless he was really confident in it. Maybe I'm wrong.
Yeah. No,
I mean, that's bold. That's a bold state. He's import is
fixed. Oh, okay. All right. We're gonna take
man, I so hope so. Um, it's interesting. I got an email from
Darren O'Neal. And, and he said, You know, I was looking at the
RSS feed for no agenda and podcasting. 2.0. Are you aware
there's no value block in your feed? And I thought, Wow. Well,
you know, that's interesting, because Darren is very smart
guy. how poorly we've communicated What's going on?
Now this works.
That may be the theme of the show today is is our poor
communication.
Yeah, well, we have taken steps to to start to get better. But
this is a, you know, sometimes happens, you know, we get so
wrapped in everything. And we wrapped up and we're moving
forward, we're steaming ahead. And then something that's
already working like, okay, that's fine. It's just it is,
and we don't go back and explain it. And I think it's worth just
saying for a moment that the basic building blocks of podcast
index is the podcast namespace. So that's what we're calling
podcasting 2.0. And all of the individual tags that are
enhancements to the traditional ardunio to the RSS spec and feed
as we know it. And because not a single hosting company, as far
as I know, provides a way for you to put that into your feed
the value block. And we knew that would either take a long
time and maybe never happened. We created the shim at podcast
index.org, which is where we store all the information of all
4 million plus feeds. And the cool thing about the index is
that anyone can anyone anyone with some skills can create an
app without having to do all the heavy lifting, and they get all
of that information from the index and incomes the value
block. Even if it's not in the feed, we add that in In addition
to what the apps are pulling out of that, however, if you put the
value block in your RSS feed, that's always considered the
source of truth. And so that will override anything that's in
there. It's also in future, if you change it, if you change
your value blocked, and that will change all the way through
the index as well. we foresee that few hosting companies will
do this. for any number of reasons, no one's given any, but
I can think of a few. So that's why we maintain that part to
really it's just glue is just a piece of glue. But you can
override that at any point.
Yep. And it works. It worked fine right now, because all of
the value enabled apps, all the apps that are providing
streaming lightning payments, are listening. They're all using
us anyway. So there's no disconnect there. They can get
and it's this this will this all works by having the index
temporarily how's all this information in the temporary is
in quotes, because we don't know how long it's gonna last. That
you know, temporarily housing all that information. I've got a
couple of
so that so that's how we can get away with not having it in our
feed. Right. And although with Casta pod, I hope to be able to
author the most badass feeds.
No, yeah, anyone's ever seen this on their feature list.
badass. Yes. I wonder what that is in French. Hold on. It's
something dairy air. Yeah. Well, you know, the whole point of
Casta pod is to get the world of podcasting speaking French, so
we might as well help them here. That would be Dude, I
Korea. g they've already they've already got Canada, but that's
just that just don't count.
Do I cute? Hold on. I'm practicing.
Do you like here? Do you actually
badass? Somehow badass. sounds better? Does a queer badass.
Maybe just me.
I like it. It's not hard to sound angry in French. That
comes pretty.
I mean, it's part it's part of the culture. They get angry with
and they're not really angry. And they just emotional like
Italians a bit. They can also be that way.
Oh, if you want to jump into you want to hit some clips right
off. Something it may be apropos. Okay. This is a couple
of clips in here from the mere mortals podcast. Yeah. And I
also want to play something from jack Dorsey here. So I mere
mortals as a couple of pretty cool Australian dudes. Yeah,
sounds like I'm assuming they're Australian. this live stream I'm
assuming they live in Australia. Yeah, but their podcast they had
a whole episode recently on podcasting. 2.0
No way. That's cool. Oh, we need you know what, go figure. We
need more of that.
Yes, we do. So once you just hit mere mortals one, do you know
what podcasting? 2.0 is? Have you heard? What I know? I have
not what? So this is a ton of bullshit. Yay for the
communication strategy. It's working beautifully
as planned.
Yes, on point. The whole the whole point of this episode was
in there. They're great guys. And there's eventually I think
they figured it out at this point. But like one of the whole
themes of this episode where they're talking about it is
trying to figure out how to make it all work. And it's sort of
painful to let God bless
them god bless him for that Yeah, I can understand is
painful.
Yeah, because these are these sound like guys that have a
little bit of knowledge of cryptocurrency sort of some
tangent, he likes them. I don't know whatever you call that sort
of surface II type now and gent tangential. Yeah, but I don't
think that's the right word. Okay. But I think they have some
cursory, cursory gotcha cursory knowledge of of crypto and
lightning and Bitcoin and all these kind of know what it is
but they don't have any of it worked. And so when they get in
and try to actually do this on looking at with satoshis dot
stream, in that in that kind of thing. You and they they finally
get that port work in but then they're like okay, well let's go
and listen to some podcasts and stream money back to these
podcasts. We just said, Oh, okay, no, then it would then it
was like,
Ah ha ha ha moment moment. Oh, cool. No, no, not a no, no, no.
They didn't get it. Oh, no, they
were like, no, this does not work. Okay. correctly, we tried
and tried and tried and could not get it to work. And I wonder
how much of this has to do with them being in Australia?
Everything, everything, penal colony.
Okay, let me let me rephrase that a little bit.
nuclear testing wasteland
play mere mortals? Three. How much do we actually have? We
have zero satoshis now account for both of them.
Focus now 100 million satoshis make some Bitcoin. So we've got
shital
again, it's better than negative one.
Are they recording this outside on the street or what is
interesting vibe I gave in the background there.
Australia just sounds like that you can't get rid of it. It's
like the background radiation and extra effects everything.
Anyway, so they're they're really struggling with figuring
out trying to figure out how to send sad
Firstly, I love their attitude. So they have a podcast app that
is compatible that has a understands value for value, and
they have zero satoshis. That's their starting point. Okay.
Well, yeah, well, they set up their mere mortals podcast to
receive satoshis using Satoshi de stream. Okay, that's what has
zero in the balance. I see. Okay. Yeah. So, but they they
sent us a boot boost message, or a boost edge. Yeah, they sent us
one of those. And so they, they've evidently figured out
how to get some stats go. And at some point, evidently after
this, this episode, so they something worked. But I guess
the whole point is we've we've really, I think what we're
doing, especially with the new website that's come in is the on
ramps for the podcaster side, are now pretty easy. So we'll
have you know, you get satoshis dot stream, you can fire up a
voltage node, which can, you know, can be hairy at times. But
suppose your stream is dead simple. This system that we're
trying to build on lm pay is going to be very simple. So
those two onboard ramps are good. They're custodial. So
they're really simple. Now, the on the listener side, that port
is, is harder than it should be. And it's not been explained.
Well. Correct. Agree.
Yeah, of course. Well, I mean, it's not it's never been
explained, quite honestly. Yeah, I mean, there's, there's places
where we've written stuff and but is it clear? Is there a
path? Is there a funky ass video with someone explaining what's
going on now?
I would like to, I would like to explain it from start to finish
and you can you can critique me and tell me if
you're doing your podcast movement pitch. I like it. I
like it. I'm all in on this. Yes. Dave is representing us at
podcast movement.
Okay, you're going to be very if that's your if you're going into
it that way. You can be very depressed when I get finished.
Well,
can I can I just be podcaster? Who? What level podcaster am I
and I can do that. I can ask
these questions of mere mortals guys. Well, these
guys are smart, but they're, they have a good attitude. So
they're, they're not like nah, this sucks. Okay, so I have a
good attitude as well. All right. Okay,
let's say you are named Jennifer. That's uh, your
team Jennifer knows this stuff forwards and backwards we
talking about?
I thought I didn't think she know anything about Bitcoin.
Oh, you can explain Bitcoin?
No, no. Okay. All right. You are. No, he can't. He can't be
that guy. Because he knows too much. Just give me the pitch.
I know what you don't worry about me. Okay.
You, Okay, I got it. You're my wife. She'd lose zero about
this. Alright, so here's, here's, I'm going to tell you
how I do it. And then you can then you can I'm going to
explain it to you then you can see what happens. I'm going to
the first thing I do is fire up this is literally what I'm going
to use. I'm going to use a pot friend, theropod friend tap on
wallet. It's gonna ask me it's going to ask you if you want to
enable the wallet you can say Yeah. And then it's going to ask
you how many sets you want to deposit now sad is a piece of a
Bitcoin 100 millionth of a Bitcoin.
What's that in real money?
A 10th out 1000 SATs is like three bucks. Okay, so that's
your city say you want to put three bucks in there so you hit
the hit the 10,000 SATs is going to pop up a QR code Now at this
point, what I do is you have to test an invoice, you have to pay
it. So in order to get those sets into pod friend, you have
to go and pay it from where you're set are,
I just want to stop you there for a second, this is a moment
that we should all should realize the term invoice usually
means the money is leaving you to a vendor. So that has been
not as seriously we had this problem with subscriptions early
in podcasts, people like oh, cost money. Now it's just a
subscription. what's what's wrong with the out? So it's
falling apart already? No, no, no, no, this, but I'm refining
and refining. Alright. And so maybe you say this is an
invoice, and the way you pay each other on the lightning
network is and how you transfer money, maybe that's a better
term, the way you transfer money, either from someone else
or to yourself is through this invoicing system. How about
that?
Huh? Okay, then you had to explain lightning network,
because that's when they're gonna say what's lightning
network?
Well, what's okay? All right, I'll be quiet, I'm taking the
backseat.
Well, okay, so assuming that you have some Bitcoin somewhere,
okay. You have, you will need to pay that into your new wallet
here in the podcast app so that you can so that that app can
then stream those satoshis SATs, the 100 minutes of a Bitcoin can
stream those little bits of of Bitcoin back to the podcaster.
This, this QR code is how where you have your SATs is going to
is going to be able to know where to send them, which is
your new your podcast and wallet that you just created. So the
way I do it is I do it with strike. That's a that's an app
where you can buy bitcoin with a debit card. And so I, I'm going
to flip over to my strike app, I'm going to paste the little QR
code that I that I that I copied and paste it into my strike app.
And then that will send that much money over to that much
Bitcoin over to my podcast or wallet. I'm not sure
whenever I talk about strike, I usually say imagine it's like
Venmo for Bitcoin.
Hmm, good one. Okay.
So this because that's the lightning network is Venmo for
Bitcoin
all of that scenario right there right there assumes already had
strike set up. And that I'm in a country that strike exists in
which to my knowledge is only the United States and El
Salvador. Yeah. And so this is why I'm saying I'm wondering if
some of this has to do with being in Australia because they
they don't have easy access.
They don't have strike of course in Australia.
The way the way that that I typically do it through strike
is simple because I set up the set at the debit card with
strike in it's just in that way it's just like cash app or
whatever those any of those other things you put your debit
card in there if you do that as zero fee so you can occasionally
I'll just hit I'll just take 20 bucks off my debit card into
strike and then I'll refill my podcast or wallet and these
various apps off of that strike pressure but if you don't have
strike you I don't know where you go well
of the well there's other wallets I think that are
available that will also allow you to buy bitcoin just can't
connect it to your to your bank account.
Can so like Are there other services out there that will let
you go straight to lightning from a debit card? No. Okay, no.
I mean, the breeze app allows you to purchase satoshis through
its moon pay integration. Blue wallet also allows you to
purchase Bitcoin I think all of them have a
partner. Are those on chain transactions?
Yeah, yeah. Everything is almost a Let me see. So breeze if you
go to breeze
because that's where the fees are gonna get you. Is it here?
Yes.
Yes. That's why strike is so fantastic. But yeah, absolutely.
You that's where the fees are gonna get you. You're right.
Because that's one
of the things they talked about in this episode was like, okay,
it's gonna cost me 20 bucks to get five bucks to send to this
broadcaster. So into a service that was on chain.
Right, well, that's a rip off service. Yeah. Do I wonder what
they were using? Did you catch what they were using to do that
yet? No, I didn't. I didn't.
So I'm like Looking at Blue wallet right now, which I, which
I happen to like. And let me see. Let me see if I want to
purchase, where does it go?
Now your embrace?
No, no, you're in blue here in blue. Yeah, I'm in Yeah,
exactly. Tools. None of it is none of it is really clear, to
be honest.
That here, so this, you know, this whole thing is a is a
problem, because we're, we're, we've gotten the podcaster side
down to where it's fairly smooth. I mean, you can onboard
pretty quickly. Yeah, within five minutes. But then you're
you're sitting there with a with a, you know, functional
receiver. But there's no, there's the only people out
there who are, who are set up to pay are the people who already
are intimately familiar with Bitcoin. And know that because
they're the only ones that know how to jump, jump around these
hoops, and they have figured out the pathways. And so that that's
a problem.
It's an education problem.
It is an education problem, and also may be just a logistical
problem of if you're in a
country that doesn't have strike. Yeah. Right. So where's
strike available? I know it's available in El Salvador. So we
got a podcast market there. Yeah. Yeah. Strike? ln, I think
it was it may strike me. Right.
Yeah. I mean, that that's really the slickest onboarding there
is. So it'd be wonderful if that. You know, if that was
either everywhere, or if there was some other similar type
service? strike me?
Yeah, well, more and more exchanges are starting to
support lightning directly. But there's still the the purchase
and I know that strike has incredible, incredibly low fees
for purchasing. So I mean, of course, the best way to get
satoshis on the lightning network is to burn satoshis on
the lightning network. But this is why I would really and you
know, we have a we're going to talk about this on a call, I
think Monday, I'm going to talk about our the new site, etc.
This is why I'm going to be a strong proponent of maybe giving
away a million satoshis to our to our app developers per week,
maybe even so that they can preload the next 100 accounts.
Because if you come in and like Oh, crap, I've got 10,000 SATs
here, I can start streaming. And in the meantime, you can figure
out how to get more. You know, that to me is like the classic
drug pusher model. Seriously, seriously? Let's be honest about
it. You give them a free taste. And then people like oh, well,
that was fun. Ah, okay. How do I get more? At that point? No, not
now. Now you've once you experience the whole thing, it's
already pretty cool.
Yeah, once you once you experience it, it's pretty fun.
And so and you get used to it really quick. But then you know
that but then where do they go to refill? That's what they're
in the EU.
Well, the EU has wallets that you get, but they don't have
they don't have lightning onboarding, like simple.
No, no, no, that's nowhere. No, that's nowhere. You're gonna
have to go you've got to have to enter the Bitcoin ecosystem.
There's just no two ways about it.
Yeah. This is the whole onboarding problem that we've
tried to ignore for a while.
Honestly. I completely forgot this was a problem I
need to do until I heard this episode.
Now there's, on the other hand, there's a pretty pretty cool
outfit in Europe, it's in the Netherlands. And it's what is
it? It's bit me something. Bitcoin, let me see where it is.
Or I can't remember the name of this place. A bit nice. It's
Dutch. It's European and, and they and they allow you to
connect to your bank account through the I've even forgot the
name of the European payment network. You payment network. It
hasn't. It's another fine acronym. I'm really failing on
this. Anyway, so they have a system that you can tie right
into, and as long as you're properly credentialed, you can
do a you know, you can send off chain to, you know, to do a
lightning wallet, and then from there, you can transfer it into
your podcast wallet. Now on the other hand, And I have a feeling
that Twitter and cash app may start making this easier for us.
I think so too, did you? I've got that clip from jack Dorsey,
if you want to play it, yeah, definitely.
Here we go.
And also, if you consider something like Bitcoin existing
before, YouTube, before Twitter before Facebook, a lot of the
business models that we have today would not be the same, we
would not, we would certainly not have the dependency we have
on the advertising business model, if Bitcoin existed pre
Twitter. And I think the amount of business models that enables
the amount of innovation enables going forward, especially when
you consider the whole internet instead of going country, by
country, by country by country, which you have to whenever
you're doing real climate finance. It really just opens
the aperture. And
whenever he speaks, my eyes glaze over.
He's not a very entertaining speaker.
Oh, no, not at all.
Come on, jack. His direction is clear, though. And this is this
is something why when people when we talk about Bitcoin
stuff, half half of the or, you know, listeners eyes glaze over.
Sure, sure. But I think I would like to make a plea that that
people begin to try to engage with this stuff. Because the
reason that we are even the reason we've been doing this
stuff we've been doing with Bitcoin and lightning and micro
payments, and podcasting, is because of what jack Dorsey just
said, Yeah, there is a section of the tech world that is
actively embracing Bitcoin. And there's real big money behind
it. And it is going to be a piece of the future when it
comes to this stuff. I mean, Twitter is clear, as they've
already said that they're, I mean, they're going to do it.
Yeah, they are going to integrate tipping and that kind
of stuff into Twitter, with with Bitcoin. So this future is
coming. And so it would make sense to begin to, to try to
understand it, right now a core, like, we're willing to just
throw stuff out there. And, and just trust off, you know, and
have it fail and, and have all these kind of crazy things
happen. And nobody understand what we're talking about. We're
willing to do that, like a company like Twitter or
something like that. They're, they're not just gonna roll some
half assed thing down there, like we, we do. From unlikely,
right, they're gonna wait till it's completely slick and
polished, and all that kind of stuff. But, but the benefit of,
of the way that we've done it sort of getting out here and
taking the arrows, is it it, it lets people understand what's
actually going on under the surface when those real things
hit. And then when the when the, when the big players actually
roll out the slick system and get you into the big one game,
you already understand what's happening and what the
implications are for all the other industries you care about,
like podcasting.
And, you know, I'm just thinking about this the way that app
developers on boarded people with lightning wallets. Do you
know how that was done initially, which just recently
was stopped or was stopped with anything on the app store? was
through roulette wheel.
Oh, like a like a faucet type deal?
Yeah, you know, how about that? Crap. There's an idea. Why don't
we just do a faucet that we can lock off and Oh, hold on. Oh, my
God. Bam. Call Tim quick. This is what we need to do. We'll do
an lm pay faucet.
Yeah, which Tim shutting down the faucet?
Well, he has to keep the faucet open. Okay, think about it. So
we can put X amount in and then you know, per per person that
shows up per wallet address. You can get X amount per day or
week, I think it's completely configurable or one time ever.
Last night, it's been a while since I played with a faucet.
And so you could do it that way. And someone's gonna have to
grease the wheels. And it is my belief that whatever we hand out
to get this going will come back to us tenfold. I mean, that's
just always seen things work that way in my life. So it's not
like you and I or or Eric are pining over you know $300 Yeah,
now that's we're not taking any money so we might as well put
some of it back and see if we can grease the wheels get people
excited get people started. This is also how Bitcoin started with
faucets. People I remember it wasn't a false Yeah,
there wasn't a drip like way early like back in like 2020 you
know 11 or something later
on and honestly, you and I have good Given people more satoshis,
than we probably would want to calculate, just by sending stuff
to get started, we got a lot of the developer started that way.
I don't want to see the number of satoshis, I've given away for
very large, right.
But you see my point. So your point is very well made. And it
can be kind of exciting. Because we then we can also kind of
track onboarding. And and if the value for value system is what I
think it is, then I believe that the support will come back. And
we can make that circular, we can make that kind of a flow, a
limited onboarding flow that we'll see if it works. I mean,
what do we have to lose? 1000 bucks, you know, I'm willing to
put 1000 bucks up front and see if it works. Yeah, that's,
that's a good idea. And it makes it easy for everybody. Right? It
makes it easy for the app developers etc.
Wonder if it doesn't have to be just us to wonder if other you
know, other people in the system would be willing to get you
know, donate some stats to the to the faucet to get degrees
that way, there's another
great idea, open it up for incoming as donations. Great
idea. And think about this. So why wouldn't it be as follows. I
fire up a pod friend, I go to the wallet. I say, you know, I'm
new here. Hey, you're new here. Yeah, I'm new. We're gonna give
you some satoshis to give you the vibe. And the next time you
go here, and then you click on on new or whatever, it flips
open the camera for you to scan from the faucet right away.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Now that's experienced go to this website. Now the marketing
opportunity, which may be go to this website, and that's where
we say hey, if you live in this country, get strike, you know,
or follow these instructions to get get some lightning wallet,
etc, etc. How about that?
Yeah, I like it. I like I like these ideas.
Well, that's why there's three of us, darling.
Yeah, cuz I'm just like fretting over this all night. Like, like,
Nobody. Nobody can outside the US can can easily get on this
train. I mean, like, it isn't. I was depressed.
Well, Oh, okay. So well, that's just again, that's why there's
three of us. I mean, I see this like, okay, cool problem. Let's
solve this shit. Now. Right away. Where's my soldering iron?
What? Did you see? Evo Tara's website?
No, I did not. I did not.
He has changed. And this is a big deal. I'm going in right
now. podcast. pontifications calm. He has changed his his
homepage where the little listen everywhere thing. Instead of
just mean like, Spotify, Apple and anywhere else. You get your
podcasts. He now has.
Oh, crap. I see Reis pocket cast pod verse. Oh, nice. Nice. Yep,
he's
putting some 2.0 apps on there. Go Evo. Yeah, he contact me
earlier this week. It was like, Hey, man, check out check out
what I'm doing. I was like, man, bless you. That's beautiful.
Yeah,
it is. That's fantastic. Well, I think this is a good idea. And I
know Tim's listening. So hopefully, he'll he'll he'll
keep a drip open for us.
Because Because drip should come straight through the apps,
right?
No, no. So the way it should work is, first of all, there's
an address to donate to fill it up. And then let's just say, you
know, a new a new podcast, a new podcast, or can go or it doesn't
even matter. Forget about new just you can go there. And you
say fill up my wallet from the drip in the app. And it is ready
to accept a an image of a QR code, which is how the witches
how the drip works, because it's kind of the reverse in that
case. I mean, you're you're scanning something, and then and
then it pops up. Whatever you're allowed to take up to take out
and you just kind of confirm it. Yeah, yes. At least the last
time I did it something, you know what, I don't know what I'm
talking about. I have to I'd have to do it again. But I do
know how fast it works. And, and I do know you can limit it. It
and you know, so let's say you can take out, you know, a couple
1000 1000 SATs even just to get you rolling. And maybe you can
come back a day a week later. You know, give give people a
little bit of an experience at very low cost and this is what's
beautiful. It's like 1000 satoshis. It just feels good.
Forget that it's you know, 30 cents, that's not the point.
Now like it, okay,
this this is this is good. Alright, so now that I've fixed
onboarding for you anything else I can do a diff.
You can fix a lot more than that would be what it would be
welcome. If you could fix duplicates in the index for me.
That would be fantastic.
How bad is this problem?
Eating up a lot of my time right now. Okay. You have to define
bad, because it's not terrible. But it's it's a problem. That
that's my way of not answering the question because I don't
honestly know. Because if you just look at the amount of
duplicates in there, I mean, there's been, there's quite a
few. Can you put an estimated number on that? I can't read.
There's really no way to do that. Because
it's enough that at least one person per day finds a dupe
lately. Lately,
lately, yeah, that's this, this, it's relatively new.
This isn't a pod people duping us, is it?
No, no, this isn't pod pain. So this all boils down to how you
how you find what,
what do you do? plication? Is Yeah.
Okay. So there's a few different scenarios here. You can say,
like, if you were to go in there and say, okay, find me all the
all the
Can I back here for a second? How does? How does duplication
occur outside of the index in the first place? How can there
be two feeds of the same podcast?
Okay, so there's three different ways you can have multiple, you
know, multiple pod multiple feeds that are actually the same
podcast. That can happen a couple of different ways you can
happen through a move from one host to another, but they never
set a redirect. So they have a feed that exists and is still
working on one host. And they moved in imported their feed
into another host. And that one is also still working. Now you
have two working feeds that are the exact same podcast, but they
never linked to each other through a through a redirect.
That
was the end and they're both updating simultaneously, and
they're equal.
Some will not have not on a host move typically. That that is
tip. That's an area you you just gave is what happened on
platforms, like WordPress is bad about this where you have
multiple URLs that give you the same fee. Ah,
yes, the URL problem. Okay, God, that's why it is so important.
Yeah. So you would have like, let's just say example.com slash
podcast slash feed. And then you would have example.com slash
podcast, slash feed dot XML,
you could also have podcast.example.com.
Yeah, exactly. And so you could have, literally five ways to get
the exact same RSS feed with different URLs.
And this would be because submissions have been made in
different times different places, it's all user error, I'm
sure.
Most in that specific case, yes. in that, in that case, it is
typically just a, just a user configuration problem, or, or
the plugin that's that's creating the thing is doing
stuff that the user doesn't understand, and is not
documented properly. So in that scenario, those are fairly easy
to find, because we can compare what's called the C hash. And to
see hash just takes key pieces of the RSS feed, and, and most
of them down into a hash value, it does a comparison. And we can
Yeah, we can find that those two things are the same. And that
thing is running daily. And it finds and squashes duplicate
feeds. Now the one thing that was not doing and this became a
problem this week with Mitch at pod first pod verse is that that
process was not linking from if it squat, if it marked the feet
as dead, it was not then putting a cross reference back to the
original that it was a duplicate of. So somebody was subscribed
to the duplicate, they would lose it on poverty or they would
lose their subscription. So we fixed that when we've got that
part working. So that part should be fine. The ones that
are the most harm. The ones that are the most difficult to find
are the ones where where the Thiede is the same. It's the
same podcast, I should say this is the same podcast the feed but
the feed is slightly different. And it exists on two different
platforms, but for legitimate reasons. And it's not just
a private a private feed or so called private feed. Yes. Yeah.
And this is a good example of this would be You have podcast,
and you're you've got to feed this meant to the public, then
you've also got another feed being served from a different
platform that may have slightly different content in it. But
it's essentially the same show. And your that, but that feed is
only meant for this one platform to ingest meant for public
consumption,
how the hell does that even happen?
Well, it happens more frequently than I realized. And
we don't know who the culprit are, is there one common
denominator of platform that people are creating new feeds
for?
Now, this seems to be sort of sort of just a gun thing in
some, you know, in some groups, and I mean, they all understand
that their feet is public. But there's not a great way to
specify which fields should be consumed by which platforms. So
one of the things we're going to do with the next namespace phase
four is the block tag. So that would solve this. Yes, it would.
Yeah.
So don't import this one. Right.
Right. And that's not a censorship thing. That's just a,
the ingestion point control thing to say, hey, this beat
over here is only, like, some people want to create a feed,
it's only meant to be brought in by, let's just say, a heart
radio. So it really has stuff in it, this just doesn't make any
sense for other things. And so pulling it in as a duplicate of
their of their public feed, is, is a problem, you're gonna end
up with two of the same thing, and it's gonna be hard to
differentiate them, and they're not gonna make any sense. So,
the one way, until we get to that, two things would solve
that the block tag and the gu ID, those would both solve it.
But until we get there, the thing I'm working on right now,
is image comparison,
a very novel way of doing it. I like that.
Yeah, I hope it works.
So you're literally comparing real images, you're doing AI
image processing to find duplicates to see if the album
art is the same in multiple fields?
Yeah, yeah, basically, just, it's not even a is like a, it's
a just a brute force, sort of, you take these two images,
resize them to be the same size, and then do a diff between the
images. With some with some, with some fuzzing and that kind
of thing to take care of anti aliasing that comes from the
resizing you do you end up what you do with it. And then it
spits out, you know, a value that's like, Okay, this is this
image number one, is this much percent different than image
number two. And then you would just have some sort of threshold
there, let's just say less if it's 15%, or less similar.
And who knows what these numbers are yet, but then you say, Okay,
well, this is probably a duplicate. If you had unlimited
human intelligence to do this, would that be an easier, more
accurate and perhaps faster way to do it? Oh, yeah. And the
reason I asked is because Paul, many times has said, you know,
stack works can do this, we can help you d dupe? You I mean,
what would it cost? You know, I don't know, and how would you do
it? How did you start it a go down the list?
I mean, I've got no clue, I guess just one, like one feed
idea after another.
Well, this is not unique. As you're aware, Google has just
recently given people the opportunity to select which feed
is important for which they want Google to surface when someone
is looking for and specifically an RSS feed.
Yeah. Yeah. Cuz they may have picked up the wrong one.
Or they may have multiple. Yep. And so if that's the way we're
doing it, if that's the way Google's doing it, I'm just, I'm
just gonna go out, there's like, Wow, I can't believe they didn't
come up with the image search idea.
Well, I don't know they may have because like, the one, somebody
that contacted me yesterday, had this issue. So they have three
copies of the same feed. One was meant for a rate for some sort
of like radio network or something, and one was meant for
public and one was meant for something else. So two of them
needed to be removed needed to be removed. They all had a very
similar image. I mean, the image was the same essentially, but it
was just resized and cropped a little differently, but it was
essentially the same picture. And they, they said that, for
some reason. They said that Google properly ingested their
thing. Now I have not looked deep into their feed yet. But
Google may be doing the same thing. on their site they may be
doing the image sounds like a huge pain in the ass. It's a
very big pain in the butt yet.
And it is and if you were to put a percentage 2% 5% of the index
is duplicated. 10
man You know, I really have really have no clue because I
mean, that's like asking how many cockroaches there are in
New York, I really don't like any number that I give you,
which probably should be made up. Because you can look it up.
So if you look at if you do a title search and say, Okay, show
me every feed in the index, where the title where there's a
title that matches more than one feed. You get a big number you
get like he's got it's got to be
possible.
Yeah. Especially the word podcast. Yeah. But that means
nothing. I mean, it just means nothing. I mean, so many people
have the word have the title of their podcast be, you know,
inspirational stories. I mean, there's probably 25 of those or
more. And but that means nothing mean, those are actually
different podcasts now, or a lot of them have the head. A lot of
them have the word, the title is just podcast,
is there a way to have a hosting company? I said, pick fireside
to interact database to database to do a dupe check. say okay,
here's everything that I have. And was by gu ID or URL or
whatever it is. Do a check, a sanity check a dupe check with
the podcast index and it goes, this is Adams fantasy. And then
all of a sudden it says, Okay, I have these your feeds, here are
the ones that I have multiple entries for. And from there, you
can start to make new decisions and do analysis. Is that
technically possible? Is that another nightmare?
I think it would be sort sort of possible there, you'd still have
these gray?
Because ultimately, we're talking about, you know, under a
million feeds that are really alive. And if somewhat any, and
then answer, you know, as people are searching for stuff, and if
multiple shows up, you know, obviously we have to have a way
to direct defy that, which is partially, I think planned. But
I'm just thinking because buzzsprout, they could roll off
80,000. You know, it's like, okay, we checked them all.
Here's the dupes. And then no further work needs to be done,
then we call Chris Vaizey. We give them an opaque opml file
and say, oh, what do we do?
We get we get a seven gig open. Maybe? Maybe? I wouldn't I don't
I mean, they are databases downloadable. It's out there.
So they could they could do it themselves. Yeah, they could
just run it. Oh, that well, if we had a little script. Now I'll
whip something up in Python for him.
Please do
native react on top. And and then we can do the Mongo
database sync? Yeah. Okay. Perfect Mongo to the Congo.
When you're finished with that path and place into Dallas
gates, I'm sure he'd want to.
So he can critique my code. No way.
That guy's harsh. critique. critique is not the word I would
use.
I love how Brian of London she said, Yeah, you're right as
great. Yeah, we need more whipping, whipping whipping.
This might be that. So this might be the right time to tell
the the freedom controller, URL shortener story Andy layman
asked about. So with this all came up in the context of some
obscure bug that only had been in the index, I guess it's
beginning. I'm trying to remember what it was that Oh,
remember what it was. So the sound bites, the code that
returns sound bites from feeds in the API. I was checking, I'm
checking to make sure that that has valid parameters before I
return it. So it was checking to make sure that it had a duration
and a start time. And for start time, what I should have been
doing is checking that the start time existed, but instead I was
checking, I was using the Is it is it empty? And so empty in PHP
means is it zero or non existent? So empty in this in
this regard.
So the zero soundbite is the beginning of the show than zero
is not a good number.
is zero would come would say yes. Empty. Don't don't return.
Got it. So Andy's like, I know. I'm looking at this soundbite I
know it's in there. But the API is not returning
anything within the first nine minutes of a show is unclimbable
as, as a soundbite. Yeah, I got I love these problems. That's
fantastic.
Yeah. And so I mentioned I was like, well, we had a similar
problem with freedom patroller years ago. And so this one of
the things that the freedom creature does is it has a URL
shortener built into it.
Now, why did we build that URL shortener
for this reason? The URL shortener, everything in the
frame controller is meant to be owned by you. So you, the whole
idea behind it is that it is a box that holds all of your stuff
that you've ever done, so that you don't lose it and you own
it. So we said, well, if we're going to do URL shortener, don't
go and start using some service out there that may disappear
because then you use all you lose everything,
you lose everything. Yeah.
So what the URL shortener, the delta and freedom troller works
like this. It when you when you shorten a URL, it creates a
an entry in a bucket if I remember,
Yes, exactly. Right, it creates an object in an s3 bucket. And
it just increments that object name through hexadecimal each
time. So it starts off with, you know, 01234567, you know, all
the way through F, and then rolls over. So you get Excuse
me, I'm sorry, it goes all the way through the alphabet is not
hex, it's it's alpha numeric. So it goes all the way zero through
capital Z. And then it rolls over and goes to two digit two,
two characters and goes zero, yeah, blah, blah. In fact,
let me see where I'm at right now.
No, you're just probably pretty high. Let me
see what my number is.
And in, so it creates an object in the bucket with that name.
And that object is just an HTML file with a meta redirect in the
head to the actual full length URL, right? Then you point
whatever you want your short URL domain to be, you point it to
the bucket, and you instantly get your own URL shortener.
And I've had very hilarious results. Then I will give you an
example of right now. Okay. So my shorteners l dot curry calm,
which seem appropriate for links, slash, I only have three,
three characters, but that's quite a bit, I guess, three
characters as
we calculated at one time to be I mean, like it, you can do like
billions with these with that scheme.
And so this particular link that I sent out was john C. Dvorak
space jerks. substack. About billionaires in space, the short
URL is URL comm slash FSB. Not the actual Russian Secret
Service initials.
And therein lies the framework, the groundwork for the problem
that we have. Okay, cuz when when we built this thing, the
first thing My mind went to is, okay, you're gonna get you're
gonna get curse words out of this thing.
I have. I have definitely It's been a while but definitely
someone said, Oh, nice URL shortener f ck or something like
that.
Yeah. So I put in a big long list. I don't know. Where words
to skip. And worse to skip. Yeah. You don't want it you
don't want it to be like aol.com slash comment, or something like
that. I mean, like, wow, you
said it out loud food. Dave Jones.
Okay, all right, ass.
There you go. I've had asked I think asked, I think as popped
up for me once it failed your system. Nearly put acid.
No ass is the thing that blew it all up. It had been row you'd
been rolling along for about, I don't know, five years. And then
all of a sudden you you sent me a message. And we're like, hey,
this, I can't do anything like, like, like, the whole thing is
just dead. And I got in there and started looking at the logs.
And asked was the first word, but it was didn't hit in the
block list. And so for five years, it had been working
perfectly until it hit that one thing. And there was a bug in
the filtering code anyway. And it blew up. That's
like the y2k problem now. Yeah, exactly. It's, it's the AWS
problem. Nice.
Yeah. So you had an ASP problem. And it blew the enable your code
up? Like this. There are always these types of bugs in every
system where it works. But you're not exactly you never
know you why we're never and you never
know when
it will stop working. And by the way, that whole scheme for how
to do URL shortening that wasn't invented by us that was invented
by the old adjective service to remember adjective. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. Yeah, they they use this game and so we ripped it off.
I'm
glad you told the story because only maybe earlier This week
someone's on no agenda social said to occur You're such I'm
gonna do his voice. Oh, cool. You're such an off the grid OTG
no track guy but use a URL shortener man, what are you
tracking everybody?
You own it. It's your URL shortener.
Well, I'm tracking I'm tracking everybody. What kind of evil man
are you tracking? I said, Well, he said, I can't even remember
exactly why we created it. But I know how it works. I think it's
just a text file in an s3 bucket. And and no tracking
going on there.
Did you tell him that's that's where you keep your Google
Analytics code?
I don't have that either. Either.
Anyway, that's the story. It's not a very exciting story.
That's a good story. It's a fun story. Certainly. nerds like
these stories. Jeff,
it proves the point that every system has an element, every
sufficiently complex system has an element to it, that that
works. But you can't, but you won't know exactly why it works,
right? That's in Incidentally, that is, that relates back to a
bigger issue with what's called the evolutionary argument
against naturalism. And so the idea there is that if evolution,
if evolution is true, and naturalism is true, if both of
those things are true, then we cannot trust that our own, then
we cannot trust that our own mind is giving us true
information. Meaning that if all that matters is the outcome, in
this scenario, meaning, did you get your descendants? Did your
different descendants survive? And you get your progeny into
the next generation? If that's all that matters? To a blind
force like evolution, then
then you can't be sure that what's actually the things you
think you know, are actually true? Because it could be it
could it could be a problem three generations down the line?
Well, so you think that you are did you survive because you know
the truth about what can kill you? But even but that's not
accurate. Because even if you all that matters, that that you
actually survived what matters, it doesn't matter that it was
true. So if you thought that running away from Tigers was the
best way to light birthday candles, and you would survive
as an early hominid but the reason you survived had nothing
to do with truth you only survived because the the false
hood that you believed happened to coincide with behavior that
allowed you to live
right so humans don't know jack.
Exactly. Got it. Yeah, he's like that's that's the that's the
same thing with any sufficiently complex system is like the
system can be running the whole time. And everything looks great
and you think you know exactly why it's working and how it's
working and everything and then something happens and you
realize oh, I totally didn't understand this
Yeah. And that's that's working on this is going on with the
dupes to a degree not
know I just got off on that tangent.
little thing isn't your daily your weekly philosophy with Dave
Jones sorry, southern hospitality and deep philosophy
with Dave
if you look up Alvin plantinga he's he's the last word that
made that made that argument thing anyway
well I'm not only looking them up I'm gonna put them in the
show notes
kidding out here but Alva planning in the show? Sure Sure.
It's just from I got to tell you the number of times I have used
transcripts search is unbelievable. Oh really? Ah so
many times when I'm because there's all he has three and a
half hours on no agenda is like well, you were talking about
this and then what can you give me kind of a range of episodes
and you can always find it it is really astounding how useful
that is. or transistor dot f m just added transcripts. Mm hmm.
And I see more and more and thank you phone boy for starting
to use a pod verse. sound bites in his no agenda quotes. That's
very cool. Oh, I
didn't know he did that. Yeah,
yeah. So now, so now it's the quote and then it also sends
along the clip. Unfortunately, it appears the clip. Sometimes I
could I could be wrong but it appears that the clip that shows
up is of the current artwork and not of that episodes artwork but
I could be wrong. That's actually I consider that a bug
not I think about it.
That's interesting because you do something different in your
feed. Then most most people who have show album art they only
change the show art for each episode but their feed art stays
the same, right change both Yes. Yes. Feed art and your album art
and your episode.
No, I think that's true. Hold on, I'm gonna check it right
now. I do not change the feed art. Oh, really? I'm looking I'm
gonna look right now I'm looking at my feed. No agenda feed and
double check so the I do not even have How's this possible?
There's no album art in my feet at all. For the helium? My I'm
looking at no agenda.
You're looking at the XML or the opml I'm looking at the freedom
controller
here the opml
Okay, so it's probably that's why your feed your album art is
changing in the feed is because there's not one defined in the
album so it takes the first episode and uses that as the
album.
Aha Okay, so I'm looking now at no agenda quotes 16 hours ago,
and it's a quote from Episode 1359 it correctly links to 1359
but it shows the artwork for 13 1666 or whatever we just did.
Okay, so that may be a bug in pod verse Then.
I think it is
it because I've noticed that I need to
I need to jingle stomped another one.
Do you want to now let's save that for the donations I was
gonna do Benjamin Benjamin send us an ISO but I'll save that.
Okay, but the donation because he's got that one coming up. Oh,
wow. This
is this is already a lot of heavy stuff. Man.
Did we went to did we go too deep?
No, no, no. You know what, I'll bring it back to something
lighthearted that I had on my list I should have mentioned
earlier, since we're possibly considering a faucet anyway, as
a charity faucet, though we got to come up with the name, the
the podcast pump.
Well,
I like the podcast bomb.
Okay, well think about it. Because I think it's a great
idea. And I'm pretty sure that that Tim can wire it up so that
you can't you know, keep refilling your wallet, use same
wallet over and over again. I think that i think that's got to
be possible. So we have the QR code to get some sample sets.
Tim's rolling his eyes right now. He's like you Good, good,
good.
But I want to bring back the fast follow idea, which I think
is still a great idea is to surface a QR code to follow
through an app. I don't think anyone's doing that. It makes so
much sense. Explain this to me. Okay, so I'm walking. I'm
walking along Lottie, Dottie da and then someone's Hey, man,
this is a great show. Okay, I'll check it out. And then either he
flashes me a QR code, or the QR code sticker on the fence. I
just take my pod friend app or my Curio caster, my pod verse or
go on and on and on. I fire up the fast follow. I focus the
camera on it, boom. It's just it's just a URL.
So you're okay, so you're your own podcast. You're on pod
friend. I'm on cast Matic and you're going to pop up a QR
code. I can scan it with mine. And we just
Yep. Okay, but it can also do like, like the freedom
controller blog pages. It's got a QR code. Yeah, I use that all
the time. I love I love that QR code.
That's a good idea. And then it but it would have to be
something where you could cut where you could
customize what it opens?
Will you know that there's always one. We've wanted this
podcast colon slash slash thing you will
see, let's reverse the process. This is what I think is so cool.
So instead of, you know, a web browser, because of course,
that's how most people use QR codes and pops up, you know, it
opens up a web page. So what if we put that same mechanism
inside the podcast app. So instead of your OS, you know,
only wanting to open apple or whatever, or whatever, or Google
Play or nothing or just a web page or some horrible
experience. The app is gonna say, Oh, this is this is the URL
for this podcast, boom, done subscribed. Yeah, move on
perfect.
You would have to have Bitcoin type wallet app functionality
there where instead of just doing QR code scan, it would
have to be able to copy paste to. Because you Whoa,
whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you just lost me. I mean, you could do
this with any podcast app doesn't have to have Bitcoin or
value for value enabled?
No, no, I'm not talking. I'm not tying it to the Bitcoin stuff.
I'm just saying that let. So take for example. evos page
where he's got his different apps lists. Yeah,
that's that would be a place where you display at podcasting.
2.0 scan this.
At that point, you're busy at that point, you're in Safari?
No, I
understand.
I understanding you would you happy the QR code out and paste
it into the app? Is what I'm saying? No. Well, okay. If
you're on the same device,
you're on the same device. Yes. Yeah. And then I would say do it
the same way many lightning wallets do it. You can either
scan or you can choose a QR code from your files that you just
took you took a picture of?
Yeah, yeah. Those three Oh, yeah.
Yeah. But I think the most obvious is, um, seriously, it's
like a public relations campaign. You walk by subscribe
to my podcast, you know, or it may be the QR code has some
distinctive graphic design to it, that, you know, shows it's
2.0. You know, so people be like, Oh, that's cool. How does
this work? And you'll get one of these apps. Okay, free web app,
even that boom, okay, click work. Oh, that was cool. Man,
you would never go back to any other way.
Is this and we should do this on podcast index site, just like
provide these lands? Yes.
Yes. Of course. Okay. Don't you think? Well, the question is, we
have to kind of develop a standard for them. And, you
know, so What you don't want is people just scanning it with
their phone with Safari or Chrome or whatever. And it just
opens up an RSS feed. Yeah, you don't want that. So we have to
come up with some you can't just be displaying it in places that
make no sense without some caveat is you need this type of
app to do it.
So the QR code scan what I mean like the scan they what had to
be built into the app.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Hold on a second. Okay, it's got the
Python code, it's on its way. So simple is even I know how to do
this one. Gotcha fast. If x equals No, then open camera. Get
URL Renu our code.
Boom, nailed it.
I think that's that is part of the future that people are
getting more used to, you know, if you have an iPhone, you go to
a friend's house like boom, Oh, hold on a second, you just
shared my you can have someone scan your phone, I think with
iPhone, you can even do it just as long as you're on the same
network, it helps you get the Wi Fi password, the Wi Fi key.
There's lots it QR codes have really come onto themselves
since the great reset. When when paper menus went away from Yeah,
from restaurants. So everyone is kind
of into this now. I didn't even think about that, that queue and
that the menu thing? Yeah, that really brought two QR codes do
their own, please, like they've been with us forever in. And we
laughed
at him, like, Who's gonna use this piece of crap. And you
always had to have a separate app. So the first great thing
and this is what I'm saying that our app developers should
consider. The great thing is that, I think iOS and Android
built into their, their camera software, oh, if you see a QR
code, then you know, trip this sub routine and open up the URL.
That didn't used to be that way. You had to get the app had to
open it and you have to use the app to to get the URL
trip to sobriety you can easily get your developer hat on today.
While I've been doing it on the side, man, you know, skip hit
the skip logic and it always it always happens when the power
goes out, you know in the UPS dies and then the my Raspberry
Pi Bitcoin node comes back and and I have to unlock the wallet
and I go looking around like Oh, let me just do a couple of
balances to Toshi commands, and then I'm all command line. And
like this one, we do shell script, it makes it easier. And
I of course it completely and I even move it to slash slash bin
slash user slash user slash bin. And then I forget to, you know,
five of these executables you know, similar names with a
dashboard, my dashboard dash, I can't remember, you know, they
all calling each other, I'm a mess. And
next month I'm going to create a dashboard.
dashboard. I've never built dashboards for myself.
Do we want to? Do we want to thank people? Yes. Before we
Yeah, and as
I get I want to talk about some stuff Dame Jennifer sent me
She's got some good ideas.
Okay, um, the main thing I wanted to point out is that we
received and I know if you have them on your if you've printed
them out, but we received quite a number of payment messages.
Yeah. Yes. Okay, so you have those Okay. And then I don't
know what happened last night, but I got like a whole crap with
Oh, was that was that the guy? Was that the guys doing that?
Was that no agenda traffic? I don't know what was going on.
No, we got a huge stack today had to put more paper
in the printer. Have a question for you, though, just on the on
the payment messages, any way that we can. So first of all, as
much of a nerd as I am. It's got to be pretty simple to translate
the minutes into a human understandable timestamp,
instead of just raw seconds. Yeah, what it is now? Yeah,
yeah,
yeah. Yeah. That's one two. Is it possible to know what episode
this is coming from? Because that's currently not in there?
yet? I'm gonna do that too.
And could you and who was who creates the someone used Curio
casters tip jar to send some love go podcasting?
That is a tip. So that should be in there. This should not we
shouldn't be getting emails for those. I don't think because
there's no you don't put a message in there at that point.
that's those are coming in there by mistake. Those should, those
are just normal boots. Right.
But didn't Curio caster, change the nomenclature?
That's just the default wording if you don't do a message boost,
if you just do it,
right, and that's whose default wording is that Curio caster's
in this case Yeah, okay. All right. So so he hasn't changed
because he's using instead it no longer using Hold on. It's very
interesting. I love this stuff. I love this stuff. Just go here.
So hold for messages message boost.
Doing it on the site now.
I'm just looking right now. So yeah, it's called a message
boost. Interesting. Oh, and then I can select to everyone and I
can select it is a very nice interface is built. So that so
that's coming from him the the goat that that particular line?
Yeah, yeah, that's sort of, I think wording. Yeah, I
think he just forgot to change that.
Okay,
because I just have a thing against tips. Well,
let's see that that's the you can do a message boost or you
can do a tip
not it. No, no, not a curio caster anymore.
It Are you sure because it's got the two tabs at the top? Because
if you go, you can either send a message boost.
No, no, you need to look again. I think I think it's changed
Dave. Oh, yeah, cuz what I have now is let's check this out.
Okay, there's no more to this only at the bottom now there's
boost and hold for message boost. There's no other things
at the top.
Okay, I'm gonna boost. Okay, I just boosted I just boosted the
business side of music. podcast. Yeah. And I think what just
happened was it sent that exact message you're talking about?
Oh, just just by boosting?
Yes.
This is just a bug.
Well, I don't I think it's I think the bug is on our side of
how we're handling it. Okay, so because here's there's multiple
TLV records that come in.
I'll tell you what I expect. Alright. I never I never expect
to see the word tip or tip jar. Seriously, I hate it.
I hate it. Explain why you hate it though. Because Because I
don't work for tips. Nobody should work value for value is
antithetical to tips. A tip is the service was I paid for
something, I'm going to add something on top. That's a tip.
Or you're really just demeaning. I don't I also don't look. I
don't like it when someone interacts. When I give them a
tip I'm giving them value for now that's just my mindset. So
if I'm doing a podcast a boost is understandable if you're
sending me a boost it's just a so and so boosted at this at
this time right that's boost This is do you consider a boost
to be a tip because then we have a fundamental problem in our
marriage
yeah
consider a boost all right I consider a boost to be a boost
right so so then I now
i would i do a boost in the in more than just financial says
that you're boosting?
Yes, exactly. So I don't even expect to get a message from
this unless we're just going to say you got a boost and that's
fine. Then you hold down the boost button in Curio caster, a
pops up a panel it says boost amount to and then you can
select everyone or individually. From and it says anonymous, you
can fill in your name and then it has a field if you boost 1000
SATs or more you can attach a message to your boost. So
Nowhere is the word tip has the word tip come back here. This is
now a boost with a message or as he's calling it. Message boost.
Let me tell you where that's coming from. Okay. That word
wording there is coming from the fact that in the T o v records
that that specific to V that he's using for the boost is
called officially called the tip to V. Okay. And I think he got
the wording from that. Okay. So that's because it was it was
developed, I think for perhaps fakes. And they called it that.
So I think that's where that nomenclature is coming from.
Okay. And I believe what's happening is he's sending to
different to V's, he's sending the tip to V and then the 762169
or whatever that number is, which is which is the podcast
the value for value to V i think he's sending both. I think I'm
I'm inadvertently picking up the one that's the tip,
right, but you have rewrote the words tip jar, knock Curio
Castor.
Know that he wrote that.
Okay, well, then he needs to come to the headmaster's office
or on the knuckles. I
know I'm anal about this, but it's really important. And if
anything, I have a little bit of ownership of the value for value
concept. It's it's key that this is not seen as tipping. tipping
has always failed. tipping me, but I wouldn't call that a huge
success. When I see jack Dorsey talking about tipping on on
Twitter, I'm like you stupid. That's me a coffee. But buy me a
coffee is different. I like buy me a coffee. You're saying hey,
I'm doing this anyway. Buy me a coffee. That's if that's that's
valid. That's that's a very understandable transaction. I
like that a lot. But tipping and tip jar. No, it just it really
irks me is can you tell
me Steve? Steven? There's lots of displeasure here.
triggered but this this is an absolute trigger word. It's
worse than pod. Okay, I can live with pod. Oh, wow. Yes,
I can real it is it as bad as chip in?
Well, chip in is just a joke now. Okay. But chip in if you
ask someone to chip in, that is going to be $3 max. That's what
a chip in and we're conditioned. That's the that's the Ask look
at all of the political emails chip in. And it's the the left
and right in the United States. He used this term and they
probably all use the same firm who writes these silly emails.
And it's chipping, which I've always laughed about because it
really it cheapens everything. They have never understood it.
Was it that's the way I felt about balmy a coffee though. It
feels like Okay, okay, I just gave you lit I just gave you two
hours of podcasting of my day with all that stuff. And you're
gonna buy me a coffee.
If you ask, if you use if you're using buy me a coffee, then you
expect someone to send you the equivalent of a cup of coffee.
Yeah, but
yeah, I get it. But that shouldn't be tied to podcasting
because, well, I mean, I don't like abortion. What I'm trying
to say is that like, if you take the cost of a cup of coffee at
$4.50 and then you divide that by two hours, I mean, you're
working for you know 10% of minimum wage. What
what podcaster is doing this, what podcaster has by me and
coffee on their podcast.
Lots of them.
Well, there, there are really they are really hurting
themselves?
I don't know who they are, but they they're out there.
Remember, the number one reason people don't give money is
because they weren't asked. So when you ask, if you just did
two hours of podcasts and a week of research and you ask someone
for a coffee, how can you be surprised when someone gives you
a coffee?
That's what I'm saying. That's exactly right.
So it makes no sense. But it's because people are afraid.
They're afraid to value their own personality, work and
effort. I have a guy out here. So we have a couple acres now
and the grass needs mowing. I did that once in my life. I'm
not going to do it anymore. It's a hellish job. It'll take all
day on a riding lawnmower. And it's very hard to find anyone
who has time for either they don't want to work or they're
overburdened me of filling up for everybody else. So I finally
I get a guy, Paul, the septic tank guy. He says, I got a guy,
he actually works for me just bought himself a new lawnmower.
And I gave him I gave one of my clients already, you know, one
of these deals, send them back to Eric comes by nice kid. And
he's like, yeah, I can do this. What are you gonna charge? I
really don't know what he really don't know. Do you have an
hourly price night? I just kind of started really don't know.
Okay, you go back to your boss, Paul, the septic tank guy and
you tell you tell them that you said that to me. And after he
beats you senseless, you'll come back with a price which I'll
agree to anyway. I'm gonna pay you no matter what. But you have
to learn how to value your effort.
Yeah, he could not do it. If you don't value your own effort,
somebody else is going to value for you. And I guarantee you
you're not gonna, you're not gonna like
it. Exactly. Let's thank some people, Dave, because you know,
we've gone I've gone off the rails I have, I need to do some
deep psycho analysis on myself after this episode. But holy
crap in my triggered by tip.
I'm the one. I'm the one that brought up evolution and
naturalism. So
well, we should we should do a separate podcast about stuff
like that one day, I wouldn't mind going deep with you have a
degree in philosophy? Don't you
have half a degree in philosophy? The other the other
half isn't having kids. Here you see, what market?
Let me let me think let me set it up perfectly after went
through the whole that whole rigmarole. And now we're not
going to explain what we're doing that's really bad. value
for value is the concept. The no agenda show pioneered it Oh, of
14 years ago. It's very simple. What is this podcast worth to
you? What is the work that is being done worth to you? These
ideas that we have? Do you do you do you get enough value out
of what we're trying to build here that you, you'd be willing
to put something in so we can do stuff with it, like prime the
pump, with the podcast, the podcast, pump, these types of
things, if you if you get value out of it, even value you see is
perceived, turn it into a number and send that off to us. And
that's that simple, because no one can determine value. But you
and most people who are listening to this are truly just
getting the value of listening to it. And there's a select
group who are getting the value of the work. And ultimately
everyone should be benefiting. So there's two ways to do it.
Well, there's three ways you can send us a boost message at any
one of the podcast apps that support it at new podcast apps
comm or you can go to podcast index.org. And while it's still
in this old format, you can scroll to the bottom, click on
the big red Donate button. There's also a QR code there for
you to send satoshis to us. Or you can just send us your good
old cookbooks through the PayPal. And and we really
appreciate the support that we get from everybody. There is no
other support for this. There's no corporate sponsors, no
venture capital, no advertisers, it's meant to be completely
open. And to in effect, keep this communication channel going
long beyond an American Dave.
It's just it's just us.
Yes, it's just us. Yes.
Marco arment gave us $500
back I love Marco for this once every month he comes in every
month
at what point but what what is the cutoff level? When do you
qualify as a sugar daddy?
We're gonna do no agenda. We're gonna do podcast podcasting. 2.0
sugar daddies is a level. Okay. Thank you, Mark. Sugar Daddy. I
don't I don't know what that limit is. But I think we're
getting there.
Well, it's very, very, very much appreciated. And I know he's
doing it because he's getting value out of it.
See Franco celerio gives $100 he's a developer of cast Matic.
Oh, fantastic. Thank you very much. You Casta Matic and what I
need to do that?
Yeah, it's a good app I've got it on my phone. I use them all I
just rotate through all of them just so I can keep track of what
what everybody's doing. Yeah,
well now that most everyone has opml import and export is made
it very my life very easy doing that.
Yeah, yeah, I
don't have iOS that's my problem.
Oh yeah, that's right, you're on and you're on OTG
via graphene
is Franco says from the DSC to the podcast index for SEO
machine on second loan Second Life to streaming sets and cast
ematic most of what I learned about podcasting I owe to Adam
thank you and go podcast. Oh, man, thank you so much podcast.
It looks beautiful cast ematic cast Matic seven, your new
favorite podcast player for iOS devices. Cast emetics
is working on the SATs stream is that? Oh, cool him that. Oh,
cool.
Cool. And then what what is he What is he supports the
namespace, I presume?
A sports couple of chapters.
Okay. Oh, nice. Yeah. gap. gap zapper? Yeah, that's another
thing I really, I really realized, you know, I've spent
my 40 years and making my show sound the way I want them to
sound which. And when podcasting started a little over halfway
through my radio slash broadcast career. I started tailoring for
earbuds I started creating a sound that that that I thought
was very effective for podcasts. It is the antithesis of NPR
sound. And what I've come to realize just from comments as
well from other people, is that no one is doing it this way. I
mean, I'm really like, The Last of the Mohicans, and everyone
else is has these crushes, which have been made by the app
developers, which is in fact a differentiator of extreme
proportions. So automatic level or gap zapper, these are all
things that improve the otherwise poor production of the
majority of podcasts. It's very interesting that, you know, we
kind of had this back and forth with I mean, I like my sound, I
think it should work. I often hear Oh, You've spoiled us. And
so that's why I use this app because it has great compression
in the player, etc. And it makes it all sound good. That's really
intro. I wish podcasters would just do a better job. I mean,
it's hard. That's that's that's hard. I mean, yeah, you must
have to have somebody teach you. Yeah, a lot of people should not
be podcasters. No, I'm sorry. He's fall off the wagon. Yeah,
voted off the island. I love I didn't kind of realize that. I
listened to all kinds of podcasts. Right. But I really
realized it, I think was James Cridland, who said he loved a
particular app. And he really loved that app because of the
sound processing. And I understand that the majority of
podcasts are very poorly produced audio wise, or a large
segment. I can't say majority a large segment. Anyway, the cool
cast ematic Thank you very much.
Well, Ben, Benjamin Bellamy gave us $47.50 and he said since I
always give 4750. I had to make a donation for Episode 47.
Thank you very much, Benjamin.
Do not forget, do not forget to remind the audience when it is
time for love boost.
Oh, yes. Love boost. Mr. Booth, you know you want to well, we
have more where that came from?
He says I'm going to try this. Yeah. Missy for preserving live
podcasting as a platform for live free speech. So, Divya, he,
he also sent us do I also love boost? The boost?
Oh, no. Oh, no. We have a French boost.
And now, as the French say, it is timeful low boost.
It's going straight into the machine. Oh, my God.
I that was him playing the piano to really cool. Yes.
Put this over here. Le boost. And we give it the orange color
on the pad. This is great. I want to play that one again.
Once I have it set here. Hold on.
I was joking about john tg playing the piano while he was
doing that intro when he played
that too, right. That was him. You know, I know we have a lot
of times. I tell you how many times have you said musicians
make the best coders? Yeah, they really tried again,
coming from the car now as the French say it is time for the
boost. Boost. Nice. Merci beaucoup.
Timothy Hudgens gave did a subscription for $25 a month. I
know Tim, he's a buddy of mine. sent me a message with thanks
and thank you. We're gonna go get some beers. Nice. Thank you.
Thank
you, Tim. Very nice. Yeah.
See anonymous $11.11 anonymous for Northern Virginia go
podcast.
No, yes. No, I'm getting a fail here on this.
Thank you anonymous. Eric Payne gave us $7.61. no note. Thank
you very much, Michael. Michael Gargan did a subscription for
$5. No note there.
Thank you, mommy. Appreciate the subscriptions as very helpful.
That's that's, that's a server right? There.
It is. Yeah, the mini Mini.
What do you call it mini Oh,
linode. Little nano node nano $5. Leno's, we use about half a
dozen of those.
Yeah, it's our it's our version of Ilan skylink. Whatever it is.
We have these little satellites of linode Media nodes running
around doing stuff.
See, Gino Roubini gave us $2 no note $2 is helpful too, because
that's a backup $2 a month on on an No, that's the backup. Okay,
now we got some lightning. Somebody on Twitter said we need
to call these errors. statica said, for your consideration. A
payment message generated from a booster should be called a
boosted or a booster gram
booster Graham Hold on a second. Now let me go straight away.
I've learned from experience. This can change your life. Oh my
god. Would this be crazy if that was available on busco gram
calm or something?
Now it's already registered.
Register that. Maybe it's maybe it's together. We should do it.
Let me just see if it goes anywhere. booster brand, um,
that kind of stuff.
Yeah, I bet it's parked.
Yeah, it is. Okay, I'd like it a booster gram. That's very funny.
I like that.
Okay, so the mere mortals podcast who we were just talking
about earlier in the show. They boosted us 11,221 SATs, which is
about dollars and 46 cents.
Whoa. Wow. Thank you so much. So they figured it figured it out.
They worked it worked and they got and their first support was
an actual booster gram. Yeah, that's or as we say in French
boost icon level liberals liberal liberals booster Graham
from liberal just
five years from now by the time that this you know, whole thing
is rolling. We're just it's gonna be the whole podcast
should be French.
Yes. But we know that's the whole point of of cast apart.
That's the whole point of the French government paying for it.
This total propaganda.
It's world domination.
Yes. Yes. Well, it used to be the language of the elite. You
know, French was the language of politics, it's still to a degree
is in many cases,
it's really hard to have world domination when you're all
locked in your houses that I'm just saying. Yeah, that puts a
damper on is $5.46. That's US dollars. So they're Australian.
I'm not sure what that is in dollar reduce. But
oh, it's I think it's $8,000 in Australia. In fact, Australia is
almost on par with satoshis. I think they're
$100 million. Okay, so they said there the note is there was once
an Adam and Dave, who had a most pressing crave. The decree was
shall you add value for value so we created a 2.0 wave. Nice.
Very nice.
Grandma's poetry. See, the mere mortals podcast again with
another one for 4100
now they got the hang of it right now. Like Yeah, just let's
just let's do another one. There.
They're draining the bowl now. Dude. $2 is what that ends up
being in us. 4321 blast off trying out all the places I can
send some gems. This is the coolest shit out there.
Honestly, I think this might be the funniest way I've ever spent
money.
Like it. I I'm loving these messages. I love hearing that.
Thank you.
Okay, very brown of London. I cannot This was there's a couple
of these where it was very early. And I couldn't and I was
Nick couldn't bigger decode them. I didn't see the SATs. So
everything but the SAT. So Brian said, I accept. I think he means
his invitation to come on the show. And I'll have to send my
address and another boost for tea. So I don't know how many
sets he sent us. And there's another one from a guy who's
calling himself cheap bastard. And he says, just testing you
rock,
keep up the fight. You know, what's what's, what's
interesting is I can kind of see this behavior happening. So we
have a 5 million sat channel with lm PE. And a lot of this
traffic is going going up, maybe all of its going over ln PE. And
so that channel is very interesting to watch. Because
you can almost see right away when someone is it being used
for transfers, we definitely are a routing node for ln PE and
other people. But when someone goes nuts on boosting to the
podcasting 2.0, the channel really starts to fill up on our
side, I'm like, I gotta get him out of here. We're gonna run out
of liquidity on the other end, and then somehow it's quite when
you have a big dish, 5 million sat channels, they do tend to
kind of balance out magically somehow very interesting to
watch.
We need to, we need a liquidity manager. That's, that's your
you're the liquidity manager right now.
Yeah, right now I'm the liquidity. I've been the
liquidity manager and it's not a great gig.
Maybe your grass cutter guy, maybe a septic tank guy manages
liquids for a living? He does. Yes.
It's a whole new career for him. Yeah.
Chad Pharaohs and it's 1000 SATs, which is like 48 cent Jad
f has got to be the biggest
promoter right now.
I love that guy. He's
all over the place. Thank you, Chad.
You guys need to check out the mere mortals episode three,
seven when they talk about Adam MPC. 2.0 these guys get it? They
do. They can really help with the on ramp problem we have in
the new park with new podcasters using Bitcoin. I agree. I agree
there. Will they did the work? They sure did. Okay, and last of
the boosted the booster grams is Jonathan. He just calls himself
john. I don't know who that is says fantastic show gentlemen.
300 sets, which is 15 cents and tell me how you could ever do a
15 cent donation through PayPal. Thank
you. I just I just had another idea. Dave. You ready? Ready for
him? Blow Your Mind. Brother. Hit me. Let's take so we have in
our podcasting 2.0 value block. We have a split for Dred Scott.
And we used to have the split between the two of us but we
consolidate that all into the index node to make it a lot
easier for accounting. It was really fun. I think just to see
that individually. I'm going to recommend that we love this. I'm
going to recommend that we put in an additional split for 5% or
10%. That goes straight into the podcast pump. Hello. That is
below. Now the system
is feeding itself. That's the flywheel there it is. It's It's
It's It's It's the perpetual motion machine. We didn't we
invented the perpetual motion machine is the perpetual money
machine
Einsteins rolling over in his grave. This is this is a good
idea, man. This is a great idea. We were now the federal reserve
of podcasting.
You take it and you pump it right back in and you just stay
in a circle and somehow you get more out of it than you put in
it's magic.
You know what's gonna happen is like Tim's gonna hear this over
to Elon pay as you go No, that's not gonna happen it's the
stupidest thing I've ever heard of. I'm not gonna do that
message hasn't shut that down.
Well I hope I hope we can figure it out this would be perfect. We
hate that that truly is the penny jar that's the system of
need given paper Penny take a penny yep
yeah, I mean 15 that's like do back back boosted yeah boosted
is whatever booster grams that were like 48 cents and 15 cents.
We Okay, here's it we we do a cut off where it's like if it
goes below a certain level maybe then the whole thing goes to the
tip jar.
What it goes to what
gosh I'm sorry I just offended you
know you triggered me didn't offend me. You triggered me.
It goes to the
to the faucet to the podcast of the project. Yes. podcast pump.
Yeah. Trying to burn it into my head. Yeah.
Now you'll get there. If you want to sleep in the same bed,
you will
get on the couch. That's right. Okay, let's see the monthly
donors here. Ah, yes, we'd
love thanking thank you for the booster grams. That was very
cool
and we look forward to more and You can do that through pod
friend or Curio cast. Either one, I think those are the twos.
Alex gates gave. He's the official podcasting 2.0
consultant. Yes,
gave us $25. And he does code review. Painful, painful code
reviews,
whether you want it or not. That's correct. He does. And I
want to point out here that somehow we we get consultants to
pay us
says something about the project doesn't that
business schools need to research us?
Oh, and business schools need to research they need to reset?
Yeah, I mean, we're having we're having consultants give us
money.
We that's where we have an ecosystem that is in show
interest, interesting, intertwined. Really, through the
satoshis thing is, I think what really comes together. But the
whole project, I am constantly amazed at how fun it is. Even
with all the challenges and this personality clashes. There's all
kinds of stuff. This is no different. I've had I had a
company with 700 people. And this is enjoyable, man. This is
enjoyable.
That sounds like a lot of work.
But it's always managing people's issues. And hear people
work it out.
Yeah. David would find $3 Jason defilippo he have the difficult
last name $20 Sure. So you're sure it's on the way. Jason I
got I got you on the list now. Keith gifts and $50 Keith gift
something given us $50 a month for a while and he does not have
piped up for a T shirt.
Well, he should let us know because he deserves one.
Yeah, Keith. Get let us know Dwayne. Goldy $8. Charles
current $5 a month. He's on the T shirt layaway program, I
guess. Christopher reamer $10. James Sullivan $10 in Jordan
dunville. tendo. That's our that's our guys.
Yes. Thank you very much to all of these fine producers of
podcasting. 2.0. Yep, really, really appreciated. And value
for value. So if you want to partake in that, go to podcast
index.org. Scroll to the bottom, all the information is right
there or just enjoy it. If you're not getting any value
from it.
seems odd. Whatever you do, if you're listening and you're not
getting anything from it, you got to ask questions.
You got to have to check yourself. Exactly. Do you have
anything else on on your list for this week?
Well, I've got some stuff from Dame Jennifer that I was one Oh,
yes. Well, let's do that. Let's do that. And of course
break for Dame Jennifer. I will try to ignore the fact that my
dog is barking. Okay. If it becomes a problem, I will shut
him up, named Jennifer sent me an email in saying that she that
her and the boy, the new boyfriend had some ideas about
some stuff they would like to see in apps.
Oh, okay. Now this does she say in her note, the new boyfriend?
She does. He really talks about the boyfriend in this note. I
mean, he must be an absolute must be a winner. Okay. I mean,
I'm needing to get a glimpse of this guy. But
it didn't happen. Damn, Jen.
Right. So she gives, like, she got a couple things that I
thought they were, they're really good. So she says, quit.
I'm just gonna sort of paraphrase through this because
it's a lot here. So she just quit bookmarking favoriting a
point in time to share with friends or family later, she
says use case. I'm on a run. And here's something I definitely
want to cue to share. But I'm running. I know I can already
share points in time. But that takes a few clicks that I can't
do on a run or a draw is so she said and then she says chapters
don't do this for me for a couple of reasons. Many times a
show doesn't have chapters, or they're just not at the right
points for me. I am Han anus with a capital H and a capital
M. So maybe all caps. Well, love is the ability though, so you
only flesh it out for no sorry. What I would love is the ability
to hold the phone mid run, and quickly click a star or
something similar that would save a point in time. Or likely
many points in time of an episode that I could then see
and interact with later. I can then use those points in time
post run to generate the wonderful q links that already
exists in so many podcasting 2.0 apps.
Excellent idea. The prior art is hyper catcher. If you recall
hyper catcher, you can also just create a note. It's just tapping
on the screen. And it's and you can fill in which you're not
going to do since you're on the runner in the car, but you don't
have to think it's optional. And you just click it and then boom
you're done and saves that note on your app. You know,
audio routers have this
built in. I use it all the time. I have markers all the time.
Sure, it's completely logical that we have that.
I think that's a great idea. You just tap or do some sort of
gesture and it sets a marker and then you can go back and later
and just jump through it and listen to those markers. And
man, is
there a whole nother ecosystem in in markers? Because markers
can in effect become crowdsource chapters? Well, actually the
best way. Okay, I know how to do this. I know how to do this. You
hit the boost button. That's it, you hit the boost button, except
you just the app just has to track where you hit the boost
button. So I'm expecting about 30,000 SAS from Dame Jen, unless
we have a separate. Think about it. Think about it. Yeah, I
mean, even even boosts, the way they come in with this reporting
system can be used for chapters that this would be another Rev.
This would be sort of our small revenue generator for the app
who says small? It could Yes, yeah, it could be huge. I mean,
it could this could be a phenomenal feature, in fact.
Wow. Okay. I think we've said enough. I mean, Dame Jana for
getting the juices flowing here. Very good. Very good.
This would be like a premium feature in the app. But you
don't have to do an in app purchase. You just boost boost.
Yeah, and an app gets paid to track your
maybe it's a sad one side.
I love it. Great idea. Okay, so her other her other idea was
boosting to unlock additional or more in depth content. She says
Firstly, I know Adam is not a super fan of exclusive content,
to subscribers, etc. Issues says YouTube is starting to surface
links. This is where I thought again, interesting, YouTube's
are starting to surface links out at points in terms of
videos, I have no idea if this is their algo or generated by
the channel owner. So the idea is basically that you say says
use case I'm listening to a segment of a podcast and want to
go down a rabbit hole as mentioned by the podcaster I get
notified that such a hole exists at that moment by the host. And
so like it surfaces a link or something, maybe in a chapter,
there's a link there and then the host can say well, you know,
you, you got if you want to dig deeper on this topic, here's,
you know, click the link in the
right on the screen. We essentially have that,
yes, with chapters, but then you could then she's envisioning
some way of like,
loading loading another podcast.
That is the link being a boost to sort of unlock it. So like
you're you're almost paying for the podcast. Okay.
Are you ready? It's called the paywall. Yeah, and guess who
makes them
LMP Yes.
Great idea and not
another great idea polls in the race for access to the rabbit
hole. We
need a lot more women in our group, ma'am. If we do that, and
I'm proud to say women think differently from men and this is
a prime example. Great idea. But I would have never come up with
it. But when the minute I hear that might Yeah, the kind of
like swings had has the you can pay for a message to appear.
Great. So there would just be a paywall is the button would be
right in the chapter. We can you can author I think right into
the chapter which somehow magic it'll happen. Brian of London
can do it in hive. And we'll have a bridge from hive. The day
that I can buy lightning with hive will be the day anyway. So
and then it just says you know, unlock they go down the rabbit
hole five satoshis be click on it, and then boom, it goes down
the rabbit hole does whatever whatever is supposed to happen.
Great idea.
You're you are paying that podcaster for their research.
Right?
Yeah. And that your URL, and that URL probably can't be
scraped very easily.
Yeah, I don't know. No, that's that's for Brian to figure out.
Where we are bad today. Mm hmm. Yeah. Get on everybody.
Now, I mean, I think those are great ideas.
This is fantastic ideas
and the we're not against a wall. No, no, this
is a perfect a perfect way of doing it. I'm interested in
that. That's real. That's a great idea. Like, do you want my
address? Look at the chapter right now. You can come visit me
It costs you 1 million satoshis To read that to read my address,
that's not very much he should rethink that. We should raise
that. I have. Okay, we'll have to talk about this next up, but
here it is.
I've got a great idea. I'm gonna I gotta write these down. So
it's the,
okay, I pulled this out of the stack. And we will talk about
this. We can talk about this next week because I want to go
over this idea I had for universal paywall stuff in the
namespace, okay. And there's just too much I could read,
familiarize myself with it. This is a thing that a conversation
that I had with Tom and Kevin from buzzsprout. About how do
you do universal subscriptions? That would be like, apple pie,
you know, Spotify, blah, blah, blah, all these siloed
subscription services, but it would be through the namespace.
And I think we can do it. So but this this fits in with the
paywall idea that we can just take the particular broader idea
of how to do the universal subscriptions and just boil them
down into like a chapter.
Can we can we fold that into the fast follow concept and it's all
in a QR?
Can't see why not?
Okay. I'm just putting it perfectly. Yeah, that seems so
universal. Wow, this is accelerating. Can you feel it?
Yeah, we,
I mean, we just we just solve world peace.
And it's not even three o'clock yet. You got to drink it to do
it. Seriously. All right. I get that. That's cool. Thank you.
Damn, Jennifer. Thank you, Jamie. Jennifer and the new
boyfriend. Very Keep it up.
Not well. She just calls him the boys.
Oh, the boyfriend. Okay. Yeah. Cuz I don't I have never known
her with a boyfriend. So he can't be new.
He said he's a dude named Ben.
Yes. I think he's also he was aware of no agenda maybes and no
agenda producer. Yeah.
I gotcha. Okay. The dude named boy.
I think they met at a meetup. Actually, I could be wrong.
There you go.
How cool would that be? That would be a good story.
first child, madam.
They get to get they get to get to like kid four before they get
today. Three
are both biblical figures. You know, you can get the whole
thing. It's great. Yeah. Well, thank you all very much as the
very great contributions, good notes, good ideas. And this is
what a board meeting should be. Very cool. Very, very cool.
Anything I got left is probably just for next week. What
is this rap song that I did not play? Yeah. That's for the end
of the show. Well, we're here brother we're we've I think it's
the one of the longest shows ever.
That's our buddy Kyle a bear from Louisiana. He's the voice
actor he said he got from wild hair
subatomic boombox from what is it the intergalactic or galactic
that's a good name. Good band name
yeah he's he said he got a wild hair and in get inspired and did
a industrial makes for us.
Alright, here we go. It does have a title it says its end of
show mix PC to rap song gets and shingles.
Okay, hello, I'm get and this is my partner. She goes, Oh, we're
to play or new single podcasting. 2.0 is a future
show. Quit living in the past. You feel the gig. Along with
your work in progress. Okay, so anyway, I'm on the mic, and I'm
dropping them fat beats. She goes What are you gonna do? Oh,
I'm playing the theremin. Okay, go 2.0 Jeff, images LinkedIn mo
what you waiting for? I don't know. chapters, transcripts,
images, links stream micropayments to the podcast and
sensitive Oh, she's in real time over the lightning network using
a compatible podcasting 2.0 app. Just go to new podcast.
apps.com. net new podcast apps calm. And for more info go to
podcast. index.org boost. Wow.
Wow, fantastic. This is now I can see. I just suggesting Dame
Jennifer could do a great little animated video to go with these
two guys.
Oh, that'd be great. Again,
she goes very nice. Very, very nice. That's cool, man. Thank
you
guys, so awesome. That's all I got me that well, of course.
There's
lots lots to talk about. lots going on. And we'll just have to
do another board meeting next week and Steven, Steven be
coming on
Steven be coming. Oh yeah. Cool,
cool well cast by this time next week Steven B will have already
implemented the all those pieces including the fast follow and
the the great idea there for concealed content to be here
next week thanks safe Have a great weekend brother. See y'all
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