1 00:00:00,450 --> 00:00:05,760 podcasting 2.0 for July 30 2021, Episode 48 we're checking out a 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:13,380 Heartbreak Hotel cryptic is ever right. Camera buddy. It is 3 00:00:13,380 --> 00:00:16,980 Friday once again Time for a meeting of the Board for 4 00:00:16,980 --> 00:00:20,940 podcasting 2.0 everything going on and podcast index dot Oregon 5 00:00:20,940 --> 00:00:25,920 podcast index dot social. I am Adam Curry in the heart of Hill 6 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:30,000 Country Texas and an Alabama my peaceful fort in a stormy sea of 7 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,140 media madness my friend on the other end, Mr. Dave Jones 8 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,940 got to get. I've got to get my stuff ready for podcast 9 00:00:38,940 --> 00:00:43,350 movement, man. I got to figure out how we're going to podcast 10 00:00:43,350 --> 00:00:43,770 from there. 11 00:00:44,399 --> 00:00:46,679 Yeah, are you what are you going? You're driving, right? 12 00:00:47,189 --> 00:00:53,159 Yeah. Yeah, we're going to third, we're gonna drive up on 13 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,269 the third I believe is what our plan is. Okay. And they come in. 14 00:00:58,169 --> 00:01:03,509 Think come back on Friday night. I think. So. I've got a podcast 15 00:01:03,509 --> 00:01:05,249 from I guess from the hotel room. 16 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:10,890 Yeah, we'll bring your gear map. So you're not leaving? 17 00:01:11,580 --> 00:01:12,180 In connection. 18 00:01:12,210 --> 00:01:14,580 So you're leaving Saturday? Or Friday? 19 00:01:16,020 --> 00:01:19,710 That's a good question. I don't know. What one of those Well, 20 00:01:19,709 --> 00:01:22,349 you have to get a late check out if it's Friday. I believe me I 21 00:01:22,349 --> 00:01:26,129 have experienced with with podcasting from hotel rooms. 22 00:01:28,349 --> 00:01:28,889 Late 23 00:01:29,790 --> 00:01:30,810 checking it out now. 24 00:01:31,290 --> 00:01:33,060 Of course. Yeah, I'm gonna run the 25 00:01:33,300 --> 00:01:37,740 show prep be damned. Late. Check that while it's while you're 26 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,590 watching me like I'm just gonna open the door everybody while 27 00:01:40,590 --> 00:01:42,810 the wallet while you're just messing around. Make sure 28 00:01:42,810 --> 00:01:46,590 everybody can come in here. Hey, everybody, come on in. Grab your 29 00:01:46,590 --> 00:01:46,890 seat. 30 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:48,810 Y'all Sit down. I'm just typing. 31 00:01:50,459 --> 00:01:54,389 Hey, man, I woke up this morning. And I had a million 32 00:01:54,389 --> 00:01:55,289 things in my head. 33 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:57,720 That's a normal occurrence. 34 00:01:58,590 --> 00:02:01,800 Yeah, what was a real day of clarity. Now I got up really 35 00:02:01,830 --> 00:02:06,750 early, because I also had to do an interview for Sirius XM. 36 00:02:07,050 --> 00:02:12,480 sirius xm 106 volume. And their morning show is Nick Carter, 37 00:02:12,570 --> 00:02:18,120 formerly of Backstreet Boys. And I think Normally he is Laurie 38 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:23,040 medu. Ski on who is very, very accomplished in music. 39 00:02:23,640 --> 00:02:26,580 Journalism. She started Spin Magazine. And then she was 40 00:02:26,580 --> 00:02:28,620 executive editor at a whole bunch of other places. She 41 00:02:28,620 --> 00:02:33,750 wasn't there today. But also Rob Tannenbaum who wrote the book, 42 00:02:33,900 --> 00:02:39,540 oral history of MTV. It was fantastic. So I'm, I'm, I'm good 43 00:02:39,540 --> 00:02:44,430 to go. Because we had a call yesterday, you, me, Eric, and 44 00:02:44,430 --> 00:02:49,350 Tina, about the website and launching and, you know, our 45 00:02:49,350 --> 00:02:54,570 real marketing communication strategies. And, and one of the 46 00:02:54,570 --> 00:02:58,260 most complicated things we had we discussed, which, you know, 47 00:02:58,260 --> 00:03:00,330 we like, okay, we're going to do it this way. But I think these, 48 00:03:00,390 --> 00:03:02,700 these calls are really good, because it gets the juices 49 00:03:02,700 --> 00:03:04,830 flowing for everybody. And you look at it the next day, it's 50 00:03:04,830 --> 00:03:08,010 like, Okay, hold on a sec. And it was mainly the podcaster 51 00:03:08,010 --> 00:03:11,520 part. You know, we, we all know that we want people to be driven 52 00:03:11,550 --> 00:03:16,860 listeners who, who either go to new podcast apps calm or find 53 00:03:16,860 --> 00:03:19,650 their way through the new path. But we want to get them to the 54 00:03:19,650 --> 00:03:22,770 apps, we want them to try out a new podcast app. And then for 55 00:03:22,770 --> 00:03:29,520 the podcasters. Now, podcasting 2.0 in the lexicon right now, in 56 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,210 general, it means value for value streaming payments, 57 00:03:33,210 --> 00:03:35,310 whenever you hear someone talking about podcasting, 2.0, 58 00:03:35,310 --> 00:03:39,990 that's that Bitcoin stuff. But we've really focused an enormous 59 00:03:39,990 --> 00:03:45,090 amount of energy, in particular, you and the app developers on 60 00:03:45,330 --> 00:03:49,650 the namespace features. So as I came to the realization 61 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:55,410 yesterday, that well, I'll take you down a path of a few clips 62 00:03:55,410 --> 00:03:57,900 that I got, is that okay? Yeah, guess what is the board okay 63 00:03:57,900 --> 00:03:58,230 with that. 64 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:03,960 We're good. James asleep. 65 00:04:04,260 --> 00:04:07,830 So I want to talk about just these two things for people who 66 00:04:07,830 --> 00:04:12,360 may be new, listening to the podcast in 2.0, board meeting, 67 00:04:12,870 --> 00:04:16,980 value for value, and the model itself and the streaming 68 00:04:16,980 --> 00:04:19,830 payments. And then we'll get into some of the ideas I had 69 00:04:19,830 --> 00:04:22,740 about what we want to communicate to podcasters and 70 00:04:22,740 --> 00:04:27,840 how we get how we onboard people. So the first thing, and 71 00:04:27,930 --> 00:04:30,540 these are clips that I'm so happy I found and collected 72 00:04:30,540 --> 00:04:36,780 throughout the week, is kind of proof that my concept of what 73 00:04:36,780 --> 00:04:41,730 kancil culture is and where it comes from, is in fact correct. 74 00:04:42,090 --> 00:04:45,570 And I've always said it's based on advertising advertising is 75 00:04:45,570 --> 00:04:50,130 censorship. And why is that is because advertisers do not want 76 00:04:50,130 --> 00:04:53,670 to be anywhere near controversy, which is the biggest problem for 77 00:04:53,670 --> 00:04:59,220 podcast advertising. And when it comes to that, cancel culture 78 00:04:59,580 --> 00:05:03,270 advert tising is leveraged against somebody is an 79 00:05:03,300 --> 00:05:06,810 advertising is usually someone's lifeblood, it's how it's how 80 00:05:06,810 --> 00:05:09,240 they, you know how they're making money with the product 81 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:14,190 they're creating. And it's very easy to say, Hey, Hey mister 82 00:05:14,190 --> 00:05:17,580 advertiser, do you know this guy says this about those people or 83 00:05:17,580 --> 00:05:21,390 he's a racist, whatever you want to say. And it works. It's very, 84 00:05:21,390 --> 00:05:23,700 very effective. And the proof of this, 85 00:05:23,910 --> 00:05:27,150 which we get those emails on on a regular basis Yes, 86 00:05:27,150 --> 00:05:29,460 we get emails from people. I mean, I haven't talked about 87 00:05:29,460 --> 00:05:33,120 that on Joe Rogan was hilarious to someone want to take down Tim 88 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:39,540 Dylan because he's anti gay. And Tim, Tim Dylan is gay. So you 89 00:05:39,540 --> 00:05:42,660 know, it's like these these crazy types of things. And he's 90 00:05:42,660 --> 00:05:47,190 very open about it, by the way. So I want to start off by 91 00:05:47,190 --> 00:05:52,470 solidifying that, that statement that that's where kancil culture 92 00:05:52,470 --> 00:05:57,150 comes from at its root with a clip from the sway podcast This 93 00:05:57,150 --> 00:06:00,330 is Kara Swisher. Now despite that I hate listened to her 94 00:06:00,330 --> 00:06:04,920 other podcasts pivot with Scott Professor Scott Galloway, which 95 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:10,050 is also a valid Listen, of course. I really do. Like when 96 00:06:10,050 --> 00:06:13,050 she interviews people, particularly in technology, and 97 00:06:13,050 --> 00:06:15,150 she had on Sridhar sway, 98 00:06:15,180 --> 00:06:16,980 sway is the new york times one, right? 99 00:06:17,010 --> 00:06:20,370 Yes, it's from New York Times. Exactly. Okay. And she had on 100 00:06:20,460 --> 00:06:27,630 Sridhar Ramaswamy. And he is the CEO and co founder of Niva. And 101 00:06:27,630 --> 00:06:32,430 Niva is this search engine, which does not monetize you, you 102 00:06:32,430 --> 00:06:36,600 pay them for 95 a month. And, and it's as good as Google 103 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,050 Surprise, surprise, the people who started are x Google guys. 104 00:06:40,500 --> 00:06:45,120 And so they've they've decided that advertising and selling 105 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,090 your data, but I'll just keep it advertising for a moment is not 106 00:06:48,090 --> 00:06:50,160 the way forward for them. And they believe there's a 107 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,010 difference. I personally liked that idea. And it all comes down 108 00:06:53,010 --> 00:06:57,090 to trust, of course. But his explanation of why he started 109 00:06:57,090 --> 00:07:00,870 this and and what he felt about advertising inside Google, 110 00:07:01,110 --> 00:07:05,070 really, and he was chief revenue officer, so that he was, you 111 00:07:05,070 --> 00:07:09,330 know, C C suite level, he was the guy in charge of the money 112 00:07:09,330 --> 00:07:11,520 coming in. And here's his thoughts on the matter. 113 00:07:11,580 --> 00:07:15,420 So you left shortly after the 2017 controversy, where YouTube 114 00:07:15,450 --> 00:07:18,630 videos of Exploited Children are running alongside ads. With 115 00:07:18,630 --> 00:07:20,970 there's something that happened, is the timing a coincidence? Or 116 00:07:20,970 --> 00:07:24,060 did that inspire your exit? Do you do just go enough of this? 117 00:07:24,060 --> 00:07:27,480 I'm making nuclear weapons, and I don't want it or whatever, 118 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:28,890 right? You know what I mean? There's a lot of people that 119 00:07:28,890 --> 00:07:31,830 have those moments. Was there a moment for you, 120 00:07:32,250 --> 00:07:35,430 for me, 100%. On those were the things that first of all, 121 00:07:35,430 --> 00:07:40,200 convinced me that I didn't want to work on ads anymore. When we 122 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,350 did ads on Google search, or even when I was running the 123 00:07:43,350 --> 00:07:48,180 display ad ecosystem, we were very clear that being able to 124 00:07:48,180 --> 00:07:53,700 run ads on these platforms was a privilege. For example, we had a 125 00:07:53,700 --> 00:07:57,840 controversy around substance abuse treatments where Google 126 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,170 Search app, you know, wasn't able to tell who good players 127 00:08:01,170 --> 00:08:04,980 versus not so good players was just withdrew from the area and 128 00:08:04,980 --> 00:08:07,020 said, We need to figure this out. We're just not going to 129 00:08:07,020 --> 00:08:11,400 show any ads. And search was big enough and powerful enough that 130 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,130 we could make a decision like this, and actually move forward 131 00:08:14,130 --> 00:08:17,370 without a massive controversy. What was foundationally 132 00:08:17,370 --> 00:08:20,220 different about the YouTube ecosystem was the role that 133 00:08:20,220 --> 00:08:24,630 creators played. For the longest time, YouTube took this attitude 134 00:08:24,810 --> 00:08:28,200 of should be able to say whatever you felt like on 135 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,320 YouTube, it was an open platform. So they gave the 136 00:08:31,350 --> 00:08:36,030 illusion like a lot of social media platforms do that. Content 137 00:08:36,030 --> 00:08:39,180 expression on them was akin to free speech that literally 138 00:08:39,180 --> 00:08:42,030 anyone could say anything didn't really see a platform 139 00:08:42,030 --> 00:08:46,260 responsibility for themselves. And so what ended up happening 140 00:08:46,410 --> 00:08:49,350 was YouTube leadership was caught between a rock and a hard 141 00:08:49,350 --> 00:08:52,260 position, where they had a set of very vocal creators that 142 00:08:52,260 --> 00:08:55,110 genuinely believed that putting up content on YouTube, they're 143 00:08:55,110 --> 00:08:57,930 getting the content monetized was something like a free 144 00:08:57,930 --> 00:09:00,990 speech. Right. And I was dumbfounded by this. I was like, 145 00:09:01,020 --> 00:09:04,890 really, like your ability to monetize content on a platform 146 00:09:04,890 --> 00:09:07,740 is akin to the government guaranteeing free speech for 147 00:09:07,740 --> 00:09:11,190 you. But that's the world that Google existed in on this may 148 00:09:11,190 --> 00:09:14,730 change very hard. We had a set of advertisers that said, I want 149 00:09:14,730 --> 00:09:18,420 no part of being next to bad content on YouTube, near a set 150 00:09:18,420 --> 00:09:21,780 of creators that went, What do you mean, we can say whatever we 151 00:09:21,780 --> 00:09:24,360 feel like just because you find it objectionable, should we not 152 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,620 be able to say, it became an impossible problem to solve. And 153 00:09:28,620 --> 00:09:31,200 that was part of the contract for advertising, because we were 154 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,920 seen as supporting all kinds of actors, some of whom are very 155 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:40,320 disreputable. And to be the head of the team that was supporting 156 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,590 monetization was just not something that I was comfortable 157 00:09:43,590 --> 00:09:45,930 with. That combined with the fact that I had been there for 158 00:09:45,930 --> 00:09:49,710 15 years just made me say, Okay, time to press the reset button. 159 00:09:49,890 --> 00:09:52,920 Time to start over. There you go. 160 00:09:52,950 --> 00:09:55,050 They're very, very interesting. 161 00:09:55,169 --> 00:09:56,699 Isn't that isn't that dynamite? 162 00:09:57,149 --> 00:09:59,969 That that, I mean, I'm just gonna say that that was 163 00:09:59,999 --> 00:10:03,149 validates, that validates everything that you've been 164 00:10:03,149 --> 00:10:05,099 saying for the last 10 years. 165 00:10:05,250 --> 00:10:05,910 Yes. 166 00:10:06,689 --> 00:10:08,069 Thank you. And that one clip? 167 00:10:08,100 --> 00:10:10,710 Yeah. And I love that he said rock, a rock and a hard 168 00:10:10,710 --> 00:10:13,950 position. The rock and a hard place. 169 00:10:14,429 --> 00:10:23,789 Yeah. That's I mean, that's just so that brings me to the a clip. 170 00:10:24,419 --> 00:10:30,869 You're going to this is dynamic clip insertion into my stream. I 171 00:10:30,869 --> 00:10:32,159 love it. All right, let's do it. 172 00:10:32,220 --> 00:10:38,100 Let's do I'm gonna I'm gonna do your da right here. So this is 173 00:10:38,190 --> 00:10:41,430 based, I think it's called I did not print my clipless. I'm going 174 00:10:41,430 --> 00:10:45,150 off pure memory here. Please go Facebook authority. 175 00:10:45,179 --> 00:10:46,379 Yeah. authoritative info. 176 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:47,489 Yeah, got it. 177 00:10:47,820 --> 00:10:51,030 Facebook said the President was wrong. In a statement, the 178 00:10:51,030 --> 00:10:54,660 company said, quote, more than 2 billion people have viewed 179 00:10:54,660 --> 00:10:58,440 authoritative information from Facebook, about COVID and 180 00:10:58,440 --> 00:10:59,190 vaccines. 181 00:11:01,049 --> 00:11:04,619 So I want the reason I want to play that clip real quick. I 182 00:11:04,619 --> 00:11:10,859 don't want to break your flow. But the the key part of that was 183 00:11:10,859 --> 00:11:16,259 not true information. authoritative information. 184 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,080 Oh, yeah. That is a big difference between the two for 185 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:19,770 sure. And 186 00:11:19,799 --> 00:11:23,819 that's all that matters is that it's authoritative. Because if 187 00:11:23,819 --> 00:11:28,439 it comes from a government or an authority or a authority, it 188 00:11:28,439 --> 00:11:32,279 doesn't matter if it's true. It just matters that it came from 189 00:11:32,279 --> 00:11:37,349 them. Because that gives the cypa Yep. Exactly. Anyway, I 190 00:11:37,349 --> 00:11:38,189 just want to throw that in. 191 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,200 So the so this is the problem that we've been struggling with. 192 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,200 And I love that he just said right up, they said, Hey, Google 193 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,900 didn't care really what you said until the advertisers 194 00:11:48,900 --> 00:11:52,710 complained. So that's, and of course, that became leveraged by 195 00:11:52,710 --> 00:11:55,800 political actors. And that's just been going on forever. So 196 00:11:55,800 --> 00:12:00,960 back to the value for value model yesterday. Bond episode. 197 00:12:02,250 --> 00:12:07,800 Hmm. I don't have it here. Yes, 1689, of the Joe Rogan 198 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:12,420 experience he had on the comedian Yanis papas, and they 199 00:12:12,420 --> 00:12:15,750 were talking about canceled culture. A Joe is very big on 200 00:12:15,750 --> 00:12:21,150 talking about canceled culture. And kind of unknowingly without 201 00:12:21,150 --> 00:12:24,840 saying it, he explained a version of the value for value 202 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,110 model. And here's a minute of that conversation. 203 00:12:28,169 --> 00:12:32,519 I think Adam Curry has a similar situation, right? He allows you 204 00:12:32,519 --> 00:12:37,439 could pay whatever you want. I think Adams is free. Is it free? 205 00:12:37,469 --> 00:12:39,959 Or is it you could pay whatever you want? I think you can pay 206 00:12:39,959 --> 00:12:42,239 whatever you want. And some people will pay $1. And some 207 00:12:42,239 --> 00:12:44,399 people he's like, some people pay a lot of money. Yeah, they 208 00:12:44,399 --> 00:12:47,369 just say this is a great show. I want to support it. You know, 209 00:12:47,399 --> 00:12:51,659 yes. There's some purity to that, you know, Vegas really is 210 00:12:51,659 --> 00:12:55,349 it's a it's, it's a nice business model, where you have 211 00:12:55,349 --> 00:12:57,599 like, a real like, Adam, in particular has a real 212 00:12:57,599 --> 00:13:01,199 relationship with his fans. You know, it's like they're, it's, 213 00:13:01,259 --> 00:13:04,799 it works out. Yeah. Like everybody agrees, you know, and 214 00:13:04,799 --> 00:13:07,739 he's the he does not waver. And he does not censor himself 215 00:13:07,769 --> 00:13:11,279 himself. He's, he's always telling you fucking the Straight 216 00:13:11,279 --> 00:13:14,579 Dope. What no matter what, or how uncomfortable or how weird 217 00:13:14,579 --> 00:13:15,569 the conversation is, 218 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,680 yeah. Yeah. And that that model is pure, straight to the fans, 219 00:13:19,710 --> 00:13:24,750 no middleman, no. Corporate, you know, ethics office or whatever. 220 00:13:24,750 --> 00:13:27,960 And people crave that people want that. And that's why this 221 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:32,310 is the success of that model is is the success that it is 222 00:13:32,340 --> 00:13:33,480 because people want it. 223 00:13:34,889 --> 00:13:38,849 So the only thing I don't agree with this, I it's not that I 224 00:13:38,849 --> 00:13:42,359 have a great relationship with my fans. They're not fans, they 225 00:13:42,359 --> 00:13:47,309 are producers. And I have always communicated This is what radio 226 00:13:47,309 --> 00:13:50,759 figured out a long time ago. You need phone lines people calling 227 00:13:50,759 --> 00:13:54,569 in, or you need location. And any podcast that does stuff on 228 00:13:54,569 --> 00:13:57,959 location automatically goes up in the rankings. It's the 229 00:13:57,959 --> 00:14:01,979 connection between those two. And so that while they didn't 230 00:14:01,979 --> 00:14:04,889 specifically talk about value for value, you can see they 231 00:14:04,889 --> 00:14:10,769 understand that something's working. Yeah, yeah. So then, 232 00:14:10,799 --> 00:14:14,189 yesterday, I was listening to the new media show and something 233 00:14:14,189 --> 00:14:19,319 beautiful happened. something beautiful happened between Todd 234 00:14:19,319 --> 00:14:23,639 from blueberry. And Rob from Lipson. And it was right at the 235 00:14:23,639 --> 00:14:26,489 top of the show. It was very important to them. When the show 236 00:14:26,579 --> 00:14:28,589 must come out Wednesday, I guess the show is that when they 237 00:14:28,589 --> 00:14:29,129 publish 238 00:14:30,750 --> 00:14:33,120 it's mid weeks on. It's right before pod land and I have not 239 00:14:33,210 --> 00:14:37,380 gotten behind. Oh my gosh. Lots of beautiful things happen on 240 00:14:37,710 --> 00:14:38,190 video. Oh, 241 00:14:38,190 --> 00:14:42,690 yeah. Well, yes, you're right. New Media show is just one big 242 00:14:42,690 --> 00:14:47,880 ball of beauty. It is no clip that okay. So it's the top of 243 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,270 the show. This is important to them. And the following happens. 244 00:14:51,300 --> 00:14:53,250 We had a shocker today. 245 00:14:54,419 --> 00:14:59,969 I had a Yes we did. And I've actually got an email. I had a 246 00:14:59,999 --> 00:15:04,589 PayPal payment hit the inbox that kind of bite I first of 247 00:15:04,589 --> 00:15:06,569 all, I thought it had something to do with podcast words. But 248 00:15:06,569 --> 00:15:10,619 then when I looked at it, it was the new media show. So all I can 249 00:15:10,619 --> 00:15:14,519 say, and the person I think they want to stay, let me just read 250 00:15:14,519 --> 00:15:18,659 this. First, it was significant. I'll just tell the audience that 251 00:15:18,659 --> 00:15:19,979 says, hey, Todd and Rob. So this 252 00:15:19,980 --> 00:15:23,370 is a big deal to him. Right? So signet significantly made 253 00:15:23,370 --> 00:15:27,690 significant amount of money. I think that's the point. There's 254 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:28,950 this. There's more to it. 255 00:15:29,190 --> 00:15:31,860 Sorry, Rob. I don't have your email. That's what's in the 256 00:15:31,860 --> 00:15:34,680 email. He says, I just want to follow up on our donation today 257 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,380 with a note to both TV to say thanks for all you do. We don't 258 00:15:37,380 --> 00:15:41,070 have a PhD in podcasting yet. But we're getting there in no 259 00:15:41,070 --> 00:15:44,490 small part to the effort you make as well as the lessons and 260 00:15:44,490 --> 00:15:48,270 information you to share with the rest of us every week. This 261 00:15:48,270 --> 00:15:52,020 donation is made in a spirit of appreciation and part of the 262 00:15:52,020 --> 00:15:54,720 effort you make as well as the lessons information you choose, 263 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,080 oh, wait, this, I read that twice. This donations, main 264 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:02,070 spirit of appreciation, and gratitude. So please don't share 265 00:16:02,070 --> 00:16:05,490 appeal the need to say thanks, we're going to anyway, as 266 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,700 represents a demonstration of value we've already gotten on 267 00:16:08,700 --> 00:16:12,120 the two of you, we've participated. We've particularly 268 00:16:12,930 --> 00:16:16,770 grateful to your defense and advocacy of the RSS as a 269 00:16:16,770 --> 00:16:18,150 cornerstone of podcasting 270 00:16:18,149 --> 00:16:21,539 course. Okay, I'm going to interrupt for a second. So we 271 00:16:21,539 --> 00:16:25,169 know exactly who this is. Because these two gentlemen can 272 00:16:25,169 --> 00:16:29,669 be two or four gentlemen. And they have supported this show as 273 00:16:29,669 --> 00:16:33,149 well. And we know how much they support. Good. That's and I 274 00:16:33,149 --> 00:16:36,359 know, because that's why Todd is like this is significant. We 275 00:16:36,359 --> 00:16:38,309 don't have to mention who it is, but I think you know who it is 276 00:16:38,309 --> 00:16:39,479 right? I've got 277 00:16:40,380 --> 00:16:42,660 down to at least one of three people. 278 00:16:42,690 --> 00:16:44,760 Yeah, exactly. Well, yes, True. True. 279 00:16:45,779 --> 00:16:50,039 But I'm pretty sure I know who it is. And the word value value 280 00:16:50,519 --> 00:16:54,539 is used here will continue. We are also tied to the ideal in 281 00:16:54,539 --> 00:16:58,379 many ways. But you have carried me you to have carried the flag 282 00:16:58,379 --> 00:17:02,489 for many years, when the rest of us could not. And we just want 283 00:17:02,489 --> 00:17:06,149 to acknowledge that away. We help us beneficial to you in the 284 00:17:06,149 --> 00:17:11,129 cause of the new media show. Thanks for all you do. And I 285 00:17:11,129 --> 00:17:13,949 won't say who sent the donations, but it was from two 286 00:17:13,949 --> 00:17:21,299 individuals at a company. And we do appreciate their contribution 287 00:17:21,299 --> 00:17:24,539 significantly. It's a total Rob, I said, I need your PayPal, 288 00:17:24,569 --> 00:17:28,529 because I got to send you your portion of this. And and I never 289 00:17:28,529 --> 00:17:30,989 even like 50 bucks when he just thrown it out a bill or 290 00:17:30,989 --> 00:17:36,269 something. But now this was much bigger. So thank you. Yeah, 291 00:17:36,269 --> 00:17:40,049 really? Thank you. Yeah. For the for the support. 292 00:17:40,110 --> 00:17:42,960 I think this is the first time that such a thing has happened, 293 00:17:42,990 --> 00:17:43,290 man. 294 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,320 Right. But you know, we've gotten some donations over the 295 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:51,990 years. Yes. 2550 bucks. But Wow, this, this one would pay a bill. 296 00:17:52,410 --> 00:17:55,680 Okay, so we've established, I know exactly who that is. Yeah. 297 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:56,040 Okay. 298 00:17:56,220 --> 00:18:01,230 So we've established that this is, this is very, this is 299 00:18:01,230 --> 00:18:05,400 amazing. value for value was just given to them in an amount 300 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:13,980 so vast, that he's excited about splitting it up with Rob. And at 301 00:18:13,980 --> 00:18:18,540 this point, at the top of the show, you could say, Hey, you 302 00:18:18,540 --> 00:18:22,380 know, if you want to support the show, go to the homepage, 303 00:18:22,380 --> 00:18:27,390 there's the PayPal link and send us some value. And off this one 304 00:18:27,390 --> 00:18:33,390 donation alone, they can double or triple this in the next, you 305 00:18:33,390 --> 00:18:37,650 know, over the next few weeks. And I'm like, holy crap, this is 306 00:18:37,650 --> 00:18:40,590 so beautiful. This is really this is the exciting part of 307 00:18:40,590 --> 00:18:45,750 value for value is when someone gives you a value that exceeds 308 00:18:45,780 --> 00:18:50,010 your expectations, but it's what they value your work at is 309 00:18:50,010 --> 00:18:54,300 exactly the beauty. But then the next second, 310 00:18:54,390 --> 00:19:01,110 this happens. So he taught on on a little bit of this theme. We 311 00:19:01,110 --> 00:19:05,610 were both on a call earlier today. Talking about our our 312 00:19:05,610 --> 00:19:08,670 session that's coming up at podcast movement. So we had the 313 00:19:09,090 --> 00:19:13,140 guests that we're going to have at at the live on stage event 314 00:19:13,410 --> 00:19:16,200 that's going to be streamed to virtual ticket holders for 315 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,900 podcast movement. And we're talking a lot about advertising. 316 00:19:19,470 --> 00:19:23,400 And I thought it was a very interesting subject and I just 317 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,400 wanted to raise it to you Todd Do you think this show should 318 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:32,340 submit to to accept advertising? Colin, your thought? I don't 319 00:19:32,340 --> 00:19:34,380 know. It's just it's just something to throw out there. 320 00:19:34,410 --> 00:19:37,080 Right. Cool. We're going to advertise for we're going to 321 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,230 advertise for other podcasts company sir. I think that I 322 00:19:40,230 --> 00:19:43,440 don't think our employers would like that so much kind of kind 323 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:49,590 of Shavers. Maybe. Maybe glasses could be but I'm not giving up 324 00:19:49,590 --> 00:19:51,210 my Oakley Sorry. I'm not. 325 00:19:54,420 --> 00:19:57,810 I mean, if we're gonna be, you know, kind of sell it out and 326 00:19:57,810 --> 00:20:00,930 everybody else what's what's Stop in us, right? 327 00:20:00,930 --> 00:20:02,520 Yeah, just kidding. No, I 328 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,430 think it's an interesting question to explore for the 329 00:20:05,430 --> 00:20:07,470 show. I think we've been doing it a long time. And maybe 330 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,520 there's a couple of sponsors that might be complimentary to 331 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,030 the show and the audience here. And who knows, 332 00:20:15,060 --> 00:20:18,840 No, you're right on the edge. They're right on the edge of 333 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:24,600 when they get hold back into the abyss. Oh, so they're literally 334 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,110 they're splitting up the value for value money. And the next 335 00:20:28,110 --> 00:20:30,570 thing they think, and this is nothing against Todd and Rob, 336 00:20:30,570 --> 00:20:33,630 personally, of course, I appreciate both of these guys. 337 00:20:33,660 --> 00:20:36,060 It's nothing against them personally, it's what happens, 338 00:20:36,270 --> 00:20:39,330 oh, advertising, I won't have to do any shit. I want to ask for 339 00:20:39,330 --> 00:20:42,600 any whatever it is the process that goes on your head, you're 340 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,600 right, they were right there on the edge. And then in the black 341 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:51,720 hole started the mat, the gravity of hell, down through 342 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,860 the earth naval, was just pulling them back in I was like, 343 00:20:55,860 --> 00:20:57,870 No, no, no, no. 344 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,500 That was painful to hear. 345 00:21:01,589 --> 00:21:05,339 Whereas they have a sure $500 for next week, if they just 346 00:21:05,339 --> 00:21:09,059 continued on that first donation. For sure, I would have 347 00:21:09,059 --> 00:21:10,169 given him 500. 348 00:21:11,670 --> 00:21:13,560 That's, that's the thing that people don't understand about 349 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:18,480 value for value is when part of the mechanism of value for value 350 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:24,600 is other people set the they set the tone for what the value is, 351 00:21:24,660 --> 00:21:28,890 yes. And so when when a donation comes in, it gives everybody 352 00:21:28,890 --> 00:21:33,090 else a signal that, that there's a there is a value here, number 353 00:21:33,090 --> 00:21:36,960 one, and then number two, it's at a certain level. And so then 354 00:21:36,990 --> 00:21:41,190 they can place themselves on the spectrum, somewhere in that 355 00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:44,520 level, according to what the other. So that's why you were 356 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,550 talking earlier about bouncing it off, saying, okay, here's a 357 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,870 here's a donation. If you If you value this as well, you know, 358 00:21:51,900 --> 00:21:53,910 find out what is its value to you? Well, they're going to 359 00:21:53,910 --> 00:21:56,580 place themselves on something, let's just say if this donation 360 00:21:56,580 --> 00:21:59,490 was $1,000, they're going to place themselves somewhere 361 00:21:59,490 --> 00:22:03,660 between, let's say, five bucks, and $1,000. And me, they could 362 00:22:03,660 --> 00:22:06,360 be anywhere on that spectrum, depending on who they are. If 363 00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:09,870 they're loaded, there, they're donated there, they may be above 364 00:22:09,870 --> 00:22:12,570 that spectrum, and they'll Oh, well, you know, I love you know, 365 00:22:12,570 --> 00:22:17,400 open podcast RSS, I'm going to, you know, donate 2500. But if 366 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,250 they, you know, if they're just a listener that this modest 367 00:22:20,250 --> 00:22:26,790 means that may 20 bucks, but you miss your opportunity to get 368 00:22:26,790 --> 00:22:30,390 your listeners into their head to start thinking of your 369 00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:32,850 product as a Vout as valuable. 370 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:38,130 And as Tina, the keeper says, a semi retired chief 371 00:22:38,130 --> 00:22:42,270 communications officer. The number one reason people don't 372 00:22:42,270 --> 00:22:47,100 give to any causes, because they're not asked and not asked, 373 00:22:47,130 --> 00:22:48,000 it's that simple. 374 00:22:48,750 --> 00:22:51,030 Is that what is Is that what it says on her LinkedIn? 375 00:22:54,930 --> 00:22:58,170 No, no, I tell her, she's semi retired, and she should be 376 00:22:58,170 --> 00:23:03,930 enjoying it more. Excuse me. So now when it comes to value for 377 00:23:03,930 --> 00:23:09,000 value with the streaming payments, you know, we had two 378 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:13,350 promises when we started off podcasting. 2.1 was independent 379 00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:18,810 index, that so your content is not platform, the platform, 380 00:23:18,810 --> 00:23:22,530 we're both from everywhere, and just a resource for app 381 00:23:22,530 --> 00:23:25,350 developers. And the second promise was, we were going to 382 00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:28,560 make what we didn't call immutable payment. But we said 383 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,410 we need to turn it into a platform of value to everybody 384 00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:35,220 can participate in the value. And that's how we came up with 385 00:23:35,220 --> 00:23:39,330 the value block and the splits, etc. So that app developers and 386 00:23:39,450 --> 00:23:42,510 anyone else, you know, this show itself, Dred Scott is on the 387 00:23:42,750 --> 00:23:47,100 he's on the split with 5%. He gets it for doing the chapters 388 00:23:47,550 --> 00:23:54,150 to me out and and so that was that was part of the idea. And I 389 00:23:54,150 --> 00:23:56,730 think kind of the initial strategy that we had is we'll 390 00:23:56,730 --> 00:24:00,000 look, we need namespace for this. And there's a couple of 391 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,640 things out here that people would like in a namespace such 392 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,250 as transcripts and chapters, I think transcripts was one was 393 00:24:05,250 --> 00:24:07,020 that buzzsprout who already had that working? 394 00:24:07,410 --> 00:24:08,340 Yeah, they already had that. 395 00:24:08,910 --> 00:24:10,710 And so it was not the first thing we put in 396 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,390 a transcript. Right? In transcript, right. 397 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,870 And the lock tag was implemented pretty quickly, by most I'm not 398 00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:25,530 sure. But so so last night, not a single hosting company has, 399 00:24:26,190 --> 00:24:29,070 excuse me, has implemented the value for value block, not a 400 00:24:29,070 --> 00:24:34,320 single one. And that's okay. Everyone's all excited about all 401 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,820 the features. And I love them. I love the our apps. They're 402 00:24:38,820 --> 00:24:42,810 differentiated because of the capabilities they have. But the 403 00:24:42,810 --> 00:24:48,000 podcast hosts we're now almost a year later, Episode 48. And it's 404 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,760 quite dismal. What has been implemented and I'm not this 405 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,580 doesn't this is not for everybody. Obviously, we have 406 00:24:53,580 --> 00:24:57,480 some real leaders in the space and we have a lot of people who 407 00:24:57,990 --> 00:25:02,220 have time to integrate with With other services with to do 408 00:25:02,220 --> 00:25:06,030 special things with Spotify subscriptions, or integrate with 409 00:25:07,020 --> 00:25:11,880 Cubans fire chat side thing, I'm saying it expressly that way, 410 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,780 because the only fireside I know is Dan, the fire chat side 411 00:25:15,780 --> 00:25:19,620 thing, but they have no time to implement even the value for 412 00:25:19,620 --> 00:25:22,980 value block or anything. And that's fine, because I can't 413 00:25:22,980 --> 00:25:25,680 make decisions for them, we can only control what we can 414 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,930 control. And this is where I'm kind of starting to bring it 415 00:25:27,930 --> 00:25:33,090 around to Who are we really marketing to? And we were 416 00:25:33,090 --> 00:25:35,820 talking about all the features, and I thought, you know, we 417 00:25:35,820 --> 00:25:38,580 don't control the features, you can't you can you can tell 418 00:25:38,580 --> 00:25:41,970 people go to buzzsprout, and you'll get this much go to RSS 419 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,840 calm, you get this muscle, etc, you know, fireside, etc. But we 420 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,170 don't really control it. And no one no one has all the features. 421 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:54,360 And most have a select few. And none of them have the value for 422 00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:58,050 value blocks. So we've done a good job at creating some 423 00:25:58,050 --> 00:26:01,920 excitement around New features, and definitely new podcast app 424 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:09,540 experiences really phenomenal. But we have to move forward with 425 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,840 what I think is the value for value proposition. If you ask 426 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:17,310 people, what is podcasting? 2.0 value for value typically comes 427 00:26:17,310 --> 00:26:23,220 up. Whether it's, it's always in context of streaming. That's 428 00:26:23,220 --> 00:26:25,680 just the people who asked me stuff on Twitter, and that's 429 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,870 what the conversation is. I have no official survey. 430 00:26:28,410 --> 00:26:31,380 Yeah, there's a there's a group of people that think when they 431 00:26:31,380 --> 00:26:36,030 think podcast index, or podcast, you know, named podcasting 2.0. 432 00:26:36,030 --> 00:26:38,310 If they think of one of those things, there's a section of 433 00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:42,900 people that think streaming Bitcoin payments of value for 434 00:26:42,900 --> 00:26:45,450 value. And then there's the second set of people that think 435 00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:50,760 each namespace features and apps. Well, they have there's 436 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,100 like an overlap there. There's some kind of Venn diagram there. 437 00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:53,730 But yes, 438 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,850 you're right, there is that Venn diagram. And it's the hosting 439 00:26:56,850 --> 00:27:01,290 companies, right hosting companies or features. App guys 440 00:27:01,710 --> 00:27:05,550 got their feet wet. And gals, I wish we had some gals, app 441 00:27:05,550 --> 00:27:09,690 people, app developers got their feet wet with name, and here are 442 00:27:09,690 --> 00:27:13,770 some of the namespace tags. And really, most of them got on a 443 00:27:13,770 --> 00:27:18,060 super roll value for value took a backseat, appropriately. So 444 00:27:18,060 --> 00:27:20,250 even though Sphinx had implemented it first things 445 00:27:20,250 --> 00:27:22,770 chat, and it was working for quite a while. And then everyone 446 00:27:22,770 --> 00:27:25,170 started to kind of get on into value for value that was 447 00:27:25,170 --> 00:27:28,860 organic, there was no pushing. There was no one's saying, hey, 448 00:27:28,860 --> 00:27:31,680 cut that out with these things. Now. It just started to happen. 449 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:32,940 And people started to like it. 450 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:34,050 Again, 451 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,770 the hosting companies are the ones that talk about the 452 00:27:37,770 --> 00:27:41,100 features, which of course, is what the app developers to 453 00:27:41,100 --> 00:27:44,010 implement. But we're in this stalemate, and we really are 454 00:27:44,010 --> 00:27:48,180 becoming, in my mind, even sometimes, just in our overall 455 00:27:48,180 --> 00:27:52,650 discussions. A part of the decade long we're doing we're 456 00:27:52,650 --> 00:27:56,280 talking a lot. We're not doing anything, because x, y and z and 457 00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:01,680 so when I heard pod land, this week, my heart broke. My heart 458 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,760 broke when I heard this, even though there's goodness in it, 459 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:12,750 but my heart broke when I heard this piece with Sharon Taylor of 460 00:28:12,780 --> 00:28:15,960 Omni studio, she was co hosting pod land with James Cridland. 461 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,010 And here's the segment. 462 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:22,560 Yeah, and I'm just just curious, partly because I want the boosts 463 00:28:22,590 --> 00:28:26,100 from the value for value. What are you looking at in terms of 464 00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:30,150 the podcasting 2.0 stuff, the new podcast namespace that Adam 465 00:28:30,150 --> 00:28:33,720 Curry is? And Dave Winer. Dave Winer get 466 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,510 that broke. That broke my heart right there. I was gonna edit it 467 00:28:36,510 --> 00:28:37,410 out. But no, 468 00:28:37,530 --> 00:28:40,380 thanks for making me relive this. Yeah. 469 00:28:40,530 --> 00:28:43,140 This is where we want that negative boost feature. 470 00:28:43,380 --> 00:28:44,250 Yeah, when it's like my 471 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,300 money back out of your wallet. namespace that. By the way, I 472 00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:50,730 love that he asked this question this, this is a fucking great 473 00:28:50,730 --> 00:28:51,210 question. 474 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,020 How are you serious? And Dave Winer? Dave Winer. Dave Jones. 475 00:28:55,620 --> 00:28:59,040 Although who knows Dave Winer as well are working on what was 476 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,920 your sort of feeling around that? Have you been doing any 477 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:02,970 work around that so far, 478 00:29:03,030 --> 00:29:05,100 we'll be keeping an eye on it. We haven't done the work around 479 00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:10,590 it, we've got a ticket to do the RSS transcript tag. And so we'll 480 00:29:10,590 --> 00:29:13,560 probably push that out sooner than later. The challenge is 481 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:19,500 obviously getting a big enough platform to recognize it. We do 482 00:29:19,500 --> 00:29:22,200 some custom stuff that we push out through our API's that 483 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,270 people use at the moment if they're building their own 484 00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:29,700 experience, but I until until let's do some name checks until 485 00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:34,410 an apple or a Spotify or Google or algo. Amazon, I'll name them 486 00:29:34,410 --> 00:29:38,010 all, like until someone integrates it. I think we are 487 00:29:38,130 --> 00:29:40,320 kind of watching and waiting. But yeah, the transcript one is 488 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,630 something people been asking us for. And so we'll put that into 489 00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:44,040 the system this year was 490 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,290 great. And the transcript certainly is something that 491 00:29:46,380 --> 00:29:50,880 really helps accessibility and everything else. I hope that if 492 00:29:50,910 --> 00:29:54,690 if they if they do nothing else, I hope that the big podcast apps 493 00:29:54,780 --> 00:29:57,300 also stick that tag in there as well. 494 00:29:57,359 --> 00:29:59,099 I think it's inevitable that they're going to have to 495 00:29:59,159 --> 00:30:02,819 especially I I mean, privacy is a huge hot topic in podcasting 496 00:30:02,819 --> 00:30:05,999 at the moment as we try and push the envelope in advertising. And 497 00:30:05,999 --> 00:30:07,919 so we're going to get to a point where we're going to do 498 00:30:07,919 --> 00:30:11,699 contextual things. And we're going to need the context to do 499 00:30:11,699 --> 00:30:14,939 that. And so we need the transcript. So we're getting 500 00:30:14,939 --> 00:30:16,649 there. I think my heart 501 00:30:16,650 --> 00:30:21,390 broke. It just broke. It's shattered in so many pieces. Oh, 502 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:22,110 I'm sorry. Yeah. 503 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,490 where, you know, I will name literally anything I can, I'll 504 00:30:26,490 --> 00:30:30,660 even throw Google and Amazon into the mix. Anything that I 505 00:30:30,660 --> 00:30:33,870 can think of, except for any other app, if they don't do it, 506 00:30:33,870 --> 00:30:37,500 and well, but you know, we might do transcript to parse through 507 00:30:37,500 --> 00:30:39,780 to advertise. Now, 508 00:30:39,810 --> 00:30:43,140 there's so much there, right? There's so much in in in that 509 00:30:43,380 --> 00:30:45,600 piece of content, I don't want to disrupt your flow, I'll let 510 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:45,930 you know. 511 00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:49,620 Well, no. And we're gonna bring our guests in in a minute, 512 00:30:49,860 --> 00:30:51,990 because I'm sure he won't, he wants to weigh in on this as 513 00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:59,310 well. So nothing against James, of course. As you heard Joe 514 00:30:59,310 --> 00:31:01,800 Rogan, say I even it's uncomfortable, I gotta say what 515 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,340 I feel nothing against Sharon. It's just heartbreaking that 516 00:31:05,340 --> 00:31:08,400 here is someone who was really in charge of this stuff, they 517 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,090 haven't done the work, they have a ticket for it. Now, I'm 518 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,330 encouraged to hear that people are asking for it. But I don't 519 00:31:15,330 --> 00:31:19,500 think people are asking, or asking for it to be indexed. And 520 00:31:19,530 --> 00:31:22,440 for some privacy reason, which you mentioned, which was unclear 521 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,490 to me. So that they can do more advertising heavy on 522 00:31:26,490 --> 00:31:31,290 advertising. Because and this is, this is where I was last 523 00:31:31,290 --> 00:31:35,850 night. Like, we have to do something else. And the only 524 00:31:35,850 --> 00:31:38,730 thing we can do is things we can control, which is the value for 525 00:31:38,730 --> 00:31:44,100 value, which we tack on through podcast index, which works just 526 00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:48,480 fine. We can't be doing that for all these other tags. And so now 527 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,780 I'm coming to kind of the confusion when people see 528 00:31:51,900 --> 00:31:55,080 podcast index.org, and I'm a podcast, and I go down that 529 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,890 podcast path. And I see all these great features. I'm like, 530 00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:01,470 great, I'm going to switch to this hosting company, who are 531 00:32:01,470 --> 00:32:05,520 these podcasts guys? You know, as like hold this, we are 532 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,740 completely going to confuse them. They're thinking, Wait a 533 00:32:07,740 --> 00:32:12,390 minute, so I can't, I can't upload my mp3 here. I have to 534 00:32:12,390 --> 00:32:16,530 use these and who does what and, and then we just have a morass 535 00:32:16,590 --> 00:32:21,450 of an again, I'm excluding the ones, I'm excluding everybody, 536 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,960 if you know what, if you feel bad about it, that I'm talking 537 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,290 about be talking about you. There's a lot of great work 538 00:32:28,290 --> 00:32:31,920 being done. But we're still in that mode of well, you know, no 539 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,650 one big is doing it. I don't want to wait for these things 540 00:32:34,650 --> 00:32:38,850 anymore. And I want us to push value for value as the main 541 00:32:38,850 --> 00:32:41,580 thing that we do. And I want to show all the features of 542 00:32:41,580 --> 00:32:48,090 podcasting 2.0 all of them. But we we need to be very focused on 543 00:32:48,090 --> 00:32:52,140 what we can do. And what we can do is the value for value and 544 00:32:52,140 --> 00:32:56,010 the back end and the reporting. And and we can make that free, 545 00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:01,140 though, or at least No, no fee for doing it. There'll be fee 546 00:33:01,140 --> 00:33:05,160 for for routing your money around, of course. Does that 547 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,530 make any sense where I, where my head kind of went with that? 548 00:33:08,339 --> 00:33:11,369 Yeah, I've been on a little bit on the front lines of this being 549 00:33:11,369 --> 00:33:15,569 on on the Twitter so much with the account and seeing a lot of 550 00:33:15,569 --> 00:33:19,079 this, there's, I just want to point out a couple of things 551 00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:26,159 here. You have an interaction with pocket casts, where 552 00:33:26,159 --> 00:33:29,489 essentially, I was told the same thing that, you know, until, 553 00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:32,939 until there's more adoption for it, then they're not going to do 554 00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:34,499 you know, they're not, they're not going to look at it 555 00:33:34,499 --> 00:33:39,359 seriously. And then now we hear you know, from hosts the same 556 00:33:39,359 --> 00:33:41,399 thing, if there's not more adoption of that, we're not 557 00:33:41,399 --> 00:33:45,269 going to take it seriously. Well, okay, so you have but you 558 00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:47,909 have two sides there, you have the host saying that thing, and 559 00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:51,869 then you have the app saying that thing. And, and I'm just 560 00:33:51,869 --> 00:33:55,229 pointing out that I mean, each of these companies can do 561 00:33:55,229 --> 00:33:58,649 whatever they want. But I'm just pointing out that this is how 562 00:33:58,679 --> 00:34:01,469 this is a stalemate. This is a, this is a classic chicken and 563 00:34:01,469 --> 00:34:06,179 egg problem. Each one is waiting for the other. And that's an is 564 00:34:06,209 --> 00:34:10,859 as long as that doesn't change, nothing will happen. Everything 565 00:34:10,859 --> 00:34:13,829 will stay the same. And the other. The other part of this is 566 00:34:14,339 --> 00:34:19,199 if you can talk to anyone in the in the podcasting ecosystem, 567 00:34:19,529 --> 00:34:28,829 anyone. And you will universally hear that the apple and Spotify 568 00:34:28,859 --> 00:34:34,949 apps are poor quality listening experiences. And that's and they 569 00:34:34,949 --> 00:34:39,449 wish that they were better. I mean, it's almost universal. 570 00:34:39,629 --> 00:34:44,549 Those apps, the the quote unquote big ones are just not 571 00:34:44,729 --> 00:34:48,149 that great. And that's not what we want. When we invite when 572 00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:51,119 when you see listeners onboarding into the pod into 573 00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:53,969 podcasting for the first time, what you want them to have is a 574 00:34:53,969 --> 00:34:57,929 really nice listener app experience. And those two apps 575 00:34:57,959 --> 00:35:01,169 are not very good. So my question The natural question 576 00:35:01,169 --> 00:35:07,169 is, then why are we waiting on them to do anything? Well, if 577 00:35:07,169 --> 00:35:11,309 they if they are having if they consist, if those big companies 578 00:35:11,609 --> 00:35:17,729 consistently as a poor app experience, then it's clear that 579 00:35:17,729 --> 00:35:22,139 they did. That is not where we want to focus the knife edge of 580 00:35:22,139 --> 00:35:26,039 innovation in the podcasting world. We want to we want that 581 00:35:26,039 --> 00:35:30,089 and we want the leading edge of the pod of podcasting innovation 582 00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:34,919 on the app side, the side that's directly in contact with the 583 00:35:34,919 --> 00:35:41,069 listener, that that edge needs to be somewhere else. And right 584 00:35:41,069 --> 00:35:47,849 now, it's in small independent apps. It's in overcast podcast 585 00:35:47,849 --> 00:35:51,419 addict. It's in the podcasting 2.0 apps, Curio caster pod 586 00:35:51,419 --> 00:35:55,859 friend, cast Matic, it's an all of the pod verse, the fountain 587 00:35:55,859 --> 00:35:58,799 is in all of these new apps, bloating and pod print is 588 00:35:58,799 --> 00:36:02,699 exploding onto the scene, because now there's innovation 589 00:36:02,699 --> 00:36:09,899 to be had. And if the big ones don't, don't step into the game, 590 00:36:10,469 --> 00:36:15,119 within their market share is going to plummet cause pagi, the 591 00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:19,679 one the one group, if you take hosting app, and creators, 592 00:36:21,179 --> 00:36:23,999 hosting companies, app developers and creators, you 593 00:36:23,999 --> 00:36:28,169 take those three groups, the only ones that we're not hearing 594 00:36:28,169 --> 00:36:31,709 say that they that they don't care about features, or 595 00:36:31,709 --> 00:36:37,949 creators, they they like having options, all these new features, 596 00:36:37,979 --> 00:36:42,179 or how hosting companies sell to creators, you can say, look at 597 00:36:42,179 --> 00:36:44,789 these features we give you and they know what their reaction 598 00:36:44,789 --> 00:36:45,899 is. Oh, cool. 599 00:36:46,050 --> 00:36:52,500 So enter a new feature. Enter Matt madeiros. Who has one of my 600 00:36:52,500 --> 00:36:58,380 favorite titles, Director of podcast success. Nice. At 601 00:36:58,410 --> 00:36:59,400 costos. 602 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:01,650 Yes, and, 603 00:37:02,250 --> 00:37:07,620 and this is I was and so my heart reassembled, I dropped off 604 00:37:07,620 --> 00:37:11,730 the key I walked out of Heartbreak Hotel this morning, 605 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,570 when he posted when he posted this video. Now they're a 606 00:37:15,570 --> 00:37:18,210 hosting company there. I don't think they're very large. I 607 00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:22,500 don't know much about him. I think I've heard the name 608 00:37:22,590 --> 00:37:26,220 somewhere. And I'm just it's a 15 minute video, it's in the 609 00:37:26,220 --> 00:37:28,290 show notes, I'm just going to play a little bit of it. And I 610 00:37:28,290 --> 00:37:31,740 did, I did chop it up a bit just to make it move a little faster. 611 00:37:32,430 --> 00:37:36,120 This is some education that they do for their customers. 612 00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:39,300 In today's video, we're going to try to tackle something that is 613 00:37:39,420 --> 00:37:43,350 cutting edge, bleeding edge in some conversation circles. And 614 00:37:43,350 --> 00:37:48,150 that is getting paid in cryptocurrency for your podcast 615 00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:48,480 and 616 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,390 the concept that we're looking at today from a really high 617 00:37:51,390 --> 00:37:51,780 level. 618 00:37:52,380 --> 00:37:55,380 If this is brand new to you, it's still brand new to me, 619 00:37:55,410 --> 00:37:58,710 you're in the right place. So we all know and think generally 620 00:37:58,710 --> 00:38:03,270 about what Bitcoins are. And as podcasters we're always looking 621 00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:05,280 for Well, not always, but those of us who are looking to 622 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,990 monetize a podcast are looking for ways to earn money with our 623 00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:13,710 podcast, and sometimes the whole advertising route sponsorship 624 00:38:13,710 --> 00:38:18,330 route. You know, the traditional mechanisms for monetization of 625 00:38:19,020 --> 00:38:21,720 media and content isn't something that we want to go 626 00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:24,510 after. We don't want to knock on somebody's door and ask them for 627 00:38:24,510 --> 00:38:29,610 money to get an advertising spot on our podcast. So what options 628 00:38:29,610 --> 00:38:32,550 do we have? Well, we have membership podcast or premium 629 00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:36,630 content that people can buy and opt into. And we do that here at 630 00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:39,900 Castillo's and there's other podcast hosts that do that as 631 00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:43,680 well. The folks over at the podcast 2.0 movement will look 632 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:49,140 at today as podcasts index.org have means to connect podcasts 633 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,500 up to this cutting edge technology cryptocurrency 634 00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:56,970 payments through a unit of bitcoins known as satoshis. The 635 00:38:56,970 --> 00:38:59,310 Satoshi is currently the smallest unit of Bitcoin 636 00:38:59,310 --> 00:39:04,230 currency recorded on the blockchain. It's 100,000,000th 637 00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:08,910 of a single Bitcoin. So we're talking very, very, very, very 638 00:39:08,910 --> 00:39:12,930 small units of a Bitcoin. So it takes many, many, many satoshis 639 00:39:12,930 --> 00:39:17,820 to equal large amounts of payments. Now, bear with me, why 640 00:39:17,820 --> 00:39:22,920 is this technology so interesting? The podcast index 641 00:39:22,980 --> 00:39:27,570 is making it easier every day for podcasters to connect to 642 00:39:27,570 --> 00:39:29,880 this kind of form of payment. Now, there's a few things at 643 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:35,280 play that we kind of all have to appreciate or understand first, 644 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,280 number one, this is cutting edge bleeding edge technology. So 645 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,850 it's not very easy to set up. That's one side of it. The other 646 00:39:41,850 --> 00:39:47,280 side of it is podcast apps where the transaction happens. Not all 647 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,510 of them are doing this yet, and largely questionable if they all 648 00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:54,810 will. So you have to pick your favorite podcasting apps, which 649 00:39:54,990 --> 00:39:59,010 you can look at, right on podcasts, index.org, slash apps. 650 00:39:59,010 --> 00:40:02,760 There's a whole list of Important apps for podcast 2.0, 651 00:40:02,820 --> 00:40:04,920 and the value for value payments. 652 00:40:06,330 --> 00:40:07,740 So this is beautiful. 653 00:40:07,830 --> 00:40:11,430 And he and he goes through the whole process setting up a node 654 00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:15,570 which he did with swings, funding the wallet doing all of 655 00:40:15,570 --> 00:40:19,440 that stuff. And I love this because he is not just 656 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,980 evangelizing towards their customers. He's also 657 00:40:22,980 --> 00:40:28,620 evangelizing internally. And they don't have namespace 658 00:40:28,620 --> 00:40:31,200 features up yet. But you know, as he says in the video, not in 659 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,510 the clip, but in the video like that they're going to do in this 660 00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:37,020 they want they want to do, the impression is they want to do a 661 00:40:37,020 --> 00:40:39,870 lot of it. I don't know what power the director of success 662 00:40:39,870 --> 00:40:45,270 has of podcast success, but I was very, very pleased with 663 00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:49,140 that. And then I and then so now I'm now My head is spinning. And 664 00:40:49,140 --> 00:40:51,840 now I'm thinking about things and I want to bring in our guest 665 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,980 because I want to take this a little bit further with him. I 666 00:40:55,980 --> 00:41:01,530 had no idea he's a Texan until I was prepping for today's show. 667 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,880 In fact, he's not he's just a little bit down the road. Ladies 668 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:11,400 and gentlemen, from San Antonio, Texas. It is the developer who 669 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,640 just burst onto the scene with Curio caster, ladies and 670 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:19,830 gentlemen, Mr. Steven bell. Adam, Dave, how you guys doing? 671 00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:22,860 I was looking great. I was wondering if we'd fallen asleep. 672 00:41:22,860 --> 00:41:25,650 I'm sorry to keep you waiting so long, man. No, no, it's all 673 00:41:25,650 --> 00:41:27,150 right. Dude. 674 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:34,650 I love Curio caster. That's that is a curio caster has become the 675 00:41:34,650 --> 00:41:39,720 app and that just does everything immediately. Like I 676 00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:44,640 mean, if we if we just have some wild, crazy, idiotic idea, like 677 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:45,600 within 10 minutes. 678 00:41:46,830 --> 00:41:50,400 This is exactly this is exactly right. It's like Hey, Steve, 679 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,760 man, how about this, boom, boom, boom, you mean like this? And 680 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,250 then it's like, oh, I found a bug. It's okay, man. I can only 681 00:41:56,250 --> 00:42:00,570 I can only do development work on my lunch break. So Who the 682 00:42:00,570 --> 00:42:04,080 hell are you, Steven Bell? I'm doing very well is having me on? 683 00:42:04,140 --> 00:42:06,330 And who are you? What do you what do you do in real life? Are 684 00:42:06,330 --> 00:42:07,860 you a developer by trade? 685 00:42:08,100 --> 00:42:11,700 No, I am an electrician by trade. And I have been moved 686 00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:15,570 into the office to estimate the electrical jobs. And I just 687 00:42:15,570 --> 00:42:18,450 picked up development about 10 years ago, because I wanted a 688 00:42:18,450 --> 00:42:22,260 sprinkler system for my garden. And rather than spend 100 bucks 689 00:42:22,260 --> 00:42:27,360 I spent 10 years developing one and doesn't work. It sort of 690 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:27,750 works. 691 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,310 It runs off a Raspberry Pi. No doubt does. And whenever the 692 00:42:32,310 --> 00:42:35,010 power goes out, I have to reload all my stuff. 693 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:37,500 You are a developer? 694 00:42:39,390 --> 00:42:41,910 pro Dog Pro developer. I love that man. 695 00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:46,590 I love this. Well, how did you get I mean, like, Did you just 696 00:42:46,590 --> 00:42:50,520 get a wild hair and say I want to just learn how to code. I 697 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,340 mean, like what what was the What was that? You said a 698 00:42:53,340 --> 00:42:56,820 sprinkler system? And what was the project like? Um, 699 00:42:56,940 --> 00:43:00,600 I've always been a cheapskate. So I like to make things myself 700 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,900 if I can, even though it's going to take me way more time. And 701 00:43:04,140 --> 00:43:07,890 I'd be better off just spending the money on it. So I just 702 00:43:07,890 --> 00:43:11,250 started looking into what I could do and saw that they had a 703 00:43:11,250 --> 00:43:12,480 thing called the Arduino. 704 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:17,280 Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And that interface with a real world? 705 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,480 Yeah. Are you a ham radio operator, too? I am not. Oh, 706 00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:25,320 man. You should be you got all the qualifications. You know, 707 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,550 voltage. You know, Raspberry Pi with Arduino. You're good to go? 708 00:43:30,030 --> 00:43:32,730 Yeah. And you're okay with stuff not working ever? Yeah, 709 00:43:32,850 --> 00:43:36,090 very much. So how did you find How'd you find us? 710 00:43:37,260 --> 00:43:41,160 I had a friend who hit me in the mouth, probably about boys, 711 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,250 probably back in November. And then I heard you talking about 712 00:43:44,460 --> 00:43:49,500 podcast index. And I was at work. I listened to podcast for 713 00:43:49,500 --> 00:43:52,710 about eight hours a day. So I was trying to develop my own 714 00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:56,640 thing, because I liked Apple's interface, but they don't let 715 00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:01,200 you play at the the increased speed. And then I needed 716 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:05,220 something that let me view the incoming episodes. So I decided 717 00:44:05,220 --> 00:44:06,240 to build one myself. 718 00:44:07,050 --> 00:44:11,430 Now, I want to say that's how most projects like open source 719 00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:16,500 projects, especially start is you have an existing piece of 720 00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:20,250 software, whether it's open source or not. That does like 721 00:44:20,310 --> 00:44:24,090 almost what you want. But there's like one feature that 722 00:44:24,090 --> 00:44:27,360 just keeps driving you nuts. So you're like, Okay, I'm going to 723 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,600 remake this because I think I can, I'm going to remake it. And 724 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,300 then we're going to add this feature. And so you get to that 725 00:44:33,300 --> 00:44:37,020 point, and then in the during in the process, you end up thinking 726 00:44:37,020 --> 00:44:40,830 of 25 other things that it could do that would make it great. And 727 00:44:40,830 --> 00:44:42,930 then you boom, you get a project. 728 00:44:43,110 --> 00:44:45,720 Oh, yeah. And then they start adding stuff like chapters and 729 00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:47,880 transcripts. And it's like, well, I got to add that to. 730 00:44:49,470 --> 00:44:53,400 Exactly. Yeah, your speed is quite astonishing. 731 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,820 Yes, you've taken the mantle for Martin Martin has become a 732 00:44:56,820 --> 00:44:59,970 responsible developer now and he handed over the reckless thing. 733 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,050 recklessness. Martin's got shit working now he's like, Yeah, I 734 00:45:04,050 --> 00:45:06,060 don't want to mess with too much. And yeah, I'm gonna get 735 00:45:06,060 --> 00:45:08,910 married going to go to Greece. I'm just messing with you, 736 00:45:08,910 --> 00:45:10,890 Martin. Man, we love you. We miss you. And you know he's 737 00:45:10,890 --> 00:45:11,430 listening 738 00:45:12,060 --> 00:45:16,500 to you. Steven, I want to ask you, you program if I'm correct 739 00:45:16,500 --> 00:45:22,980 me if I'm wrong. You're coding in spelt. Yeah. Okay, tip, what 740 00:45:22,980 --> 00:45:24,690 the hell is failed? I mean, what is that? 741 00:45:25,019 --> 00:45:30,569 So spelt is a JavaScript compiler that takes all of your 742 00:45:30,569 --> 00:45:35,879 code and actually makes its own JavaScript. So it runs a lot 743 00:45:35,879 --> 00:45:39,239 lighter than something like react and you're not running on 744 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:43,289 a virtual DOM, it actually interacts with the DOM. And I 745 00:45:43,289 --> 00:45:46,679 like it because I learned JavaScript by doing vanilla 746 00:45:46,679 --> 00:45:51,059 JavaScript. And this is as close to vanilla JavaScript as any 747 00:45:51,059 --> 00:45:52,589 framework I've ever messed with. 748 00:45:52,649 --> 00:45:53,849 You had me at Dom 749 00:45:54,389 --> 00:46:00,479 Yeah. Yeah. So you don't have the you don't have the, the flip 750 00:46:00,479 --> 00:46:04,559 flop overhead from from manipulating the virtual DOM and 751 00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:08,009 then flipping it into production? Like, yeah, okay. 752 00:46:08,249 --> 00:46:12,929 That it's so I mean, how, how did you is there like, add note, 753 00:46:12,929 --> 00:46:16,049 I know nothing about svelte. I never hear about it. Is it one 754 00:46:16,049 --> 00:46:18,779 of these things like CoffeeScript, that's going to be 755 00:46:18,779 --> 00:46:21,419 like a flash in the pan, or is it gets a good following. 756 00:46:21,870 --> 00:46:25,980 It's got a pretty good following. And there's, they 757 00:46:25,980 --> 00:46:31,260 call, I think it's syntax FM. They're a pretty big JavaScript 758 00:46:31,260 --> 00:46:36,060 podcast. And he did his whole website in spelt. And it was 759 00:46:36,060 --> 00:46:41,160 actually developed by Rich Harris. And he does the graphics 760 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:46,020 for Oh, I want to say the New York Times. And he developed it 761 00:46:46,020 --> 00:46:47,340 for his work there. 762 00:46:48,450 --> 00:46:53,940 Oh, interesting. So it's got disaffected. Yeah. Go ahead. 763 00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:56,700 Oh, no, I was just going to interrupt with with a quick 764 00:46:56,700 --> 00:46:59,880 message from France. And 765 00:46:59,910 --> 00:47:07,110 now, as the French say, it is time for low boost. Boost. 766 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,650 svelte, that sounds that sounds French? 767 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,200 Well, yeah, I guess it is. 768 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:19,500 I don't know. So is to caster is that an open source thing? Or is 769 00:47:19,530 --> 00:47:21,210 he still got closed source? 770 00:47:21,959 --> 00:47:26,039 It's still closed sourced. And I don't I don't want to add or I'm 771 00:47:26,039 --> 00:47:27,479 sorry, Alex to see my code. 772 00:47:29,130 --> 00:47:33,450 Shit, man, no one wants Alex to look at the code. Find it. So I 773 00:47:33,450 --> 00:47:38,430 have a I have a question because you approach things. I love 774 00:47:38,430 --> 00:47:40,890 working with developers. By the way, I love working with every 775 00:47:40,890 --> 00:47:44,910 single one of them. It's so much fun. And it's so enriching, you 776 00:47:44,910 --> 00:47:48,300 know, from Mitch with pod verse to of course, very intense with 777 00:47:48,300 --> 00:47:52,230 Martin as he was getting started with pod friend, but hypercare 778 00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:55,020 will you know, David will come back. We'll we'll, we'll pick it 779 00:47:55,020 --> 00:47:59,190 up and do some more work there. I've really enjoyed Curio 780 00:47:59,190 --> 00:48:04,080 caster. And so I have a request for you to think about. In light 781 00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:10,500 of the first half hour of the show. I had a thought. And I've 782 00:48:10,500 --> 00:48:13,500 mentioned this before, and Dave knows that I'm a big fan of the 783 00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:17,190 concept of Microsoft Word. Why do I like Microsoft. And by the 784 00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:22,380 way, you could have me Libra office is fine. The idea is 785 00:48:22,530 --> 00:48:27,930 you're creating a a media element, in this case, a 786 00:48:27,930 --> 00:48:33,120 document that the recipient is going to read in the same app. 787 00:48:34,380 --> 00:48:38,040 And I've always thought, my goodness, it would be so 788 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:44,100 revolutionary. If you manage your podcast feed in an app that 789 00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:49,950 you use. And with the web apps, it's very possible because of 790 00:48:49,950 --> 00:48:54,390 the desktop nature of it. The Curio caster desktop experience 791 00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:59,430 is it's like I'm piloting a 747 Yeah, I've got it all and but 792 00:48:59,430 --> 00:49:05,910 it's a it's not a Boeing. I'm not a what is the Airbus it's a 793 00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:07,980 Boeing because you know, sheet metal and rivets, you know, it's 794 00:49:07,980 --> 00:49:10,920 like ship strapped on, it's gonna fly forever. So it might 795 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:15,150 pop off. We'll, we'll we'll, we'll get some gaffer tape and 796 00:49:16,110 --> 00:49:23,640 seeing as cast dose, but there are other they have an API that 797 00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:29,430 blueberry works with the pod press plug in. Is it a thought 798 00:49:30,990 --> 00:49:37,500 to and I think the RSS feed part is is where you host that is 799 00:49:37,500 --> 00:49:42,840 doable, and I currently host my, my RSS feed or all the, you 800 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:47,310 know, whatever it is, that's on linode. And in CloudFlare. I 801 00:49:47,310 --> 00:49:52,740 push five terabytes a month, and it cost me What is it 60 bucks. 802 00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:59,400 It's an incredible amount of data. Is it possible to you 803 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,880 know, to create The RSS feed either Well, that would be to be 804 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,490 beautiful was the API. But I know the hosting companies won't 805 00:50:05,490 --> 00:50:09,840 output what we need. But to add minimum use their storage 806 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,720 capability and you would still have to pay for that. But to 807 00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:16,110 have everything else managed through Curio caster as an 808 00:50:16,110 --> 00:50:19,620 example, I just like you to think about that. Because we 809 00:50:19,620 --> 00:50:23,790 need to focus on value for value, which you've done so 810 00:50:23,790 --> 00:50:31,830 incredibly well. You've pioneered the booster grams. But 811 00:50:32,190 --> 00:50:35,700 we we've got that we're going to move on that all the other 812 00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:40,830 stuff. This seems like there's a possibility. Maybe I'm off my 813 00:50:40,830 --> 00:50:41,310 rocker. 814 00:50:41,730 --> 00:50:47,400 No, no, I, you've mentioned that before. And with sir Spencer 815 00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:53,190 having so many issues with with Casta pod, and he was mentioning 816 00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:58,110 a bunch of that stuff on the podcast index. Again, I bet I 817 00:50:58,110 --> 00:51:02,670 can do something like that. So what I'm trying to do is get a 818 00:51:02,670 --> 00:51:08,130 curio caster video podcast going, that shows how to use 819 00:51:08,130 --> 00:51:12,420 Curio caster, because right now, I think the getting people to do 820 00:51:12,420 --> 00:51:15,690 the value for value, the onboarding is difficult. And I 821 00:51:15,690 --> 00:51:20,250 think they just need something that they can see. So as I'm 822 00:51:20,250 --> 00:51:25,230 doing that, I'm trying to build some RSS feed generators that I 823 00:51:25,230 --> 00:51:29,490 can work with. And yeah, I've got some ideas on how you can go 824 00:51:29,490 --> 00:51:33,270 to the chapters tab and then just hit add a new chapter. And 825 00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:36,030 all of that gets fed into whatever database there is, 826 00:51:37,170 --> 00:51:40,710 you know, we could even I bet we could convince some of the 827 00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:45,000 bigger hosting companies, hey, you know, what, if we show up, 828 00:51:45,060 --> 00:51:49,380 can we just put the RSS feed on the server and the mp3 file and 829 00:51:49,380 --> 00:51:50,910 bypass your your system? 830 00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:55,680 Well, a bit. I know, blueberry has an API and a note, and 831 00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,350 because they're already, they already essentially do that with 832 00:51:58,350 --> 00:51:59,160 WordPress, 833 00:51:59,430 --> 00:52:02,370 well, where but where does the RSS live that lives on 834 00:52:02,370 --> 00:52:03,330 WordPress. com, 835 00:52:03,869 --> 00:52:05,909 I think you can do it either way, I think you can, you can 836 00:52:05,909 --> 00:52:10,379 make it a blueberry, you can, you could make blueberry hosts, 837 00:52:11,279 --> 00:52:15,359 and your media. Beautiful, beautiful. And so I think you 838 00:52:15,359 --> 00:52:19,559 can do it multiple ways. So I know at least they have that 839 00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:22,469 capability of accepting media files through their API, I'm 840 00:52:22,469 --> 00:52:23,219 pretty sure 841 00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:28,110 because that would solve so much, they can do whatever they 842 00:52:28,110 --> 00:52:34,200 want to do. They can continue building their process and their 843 00:52:34,260 --> 00:52:37,890 features based upon their customer feedback. And as 844 00:52:38,100 --> 00:52:41,460 budgets allow, I understand this, again, this is not a slam, 845 00:52:41,940 --> 00:52:47,940 I'm just identifying the facts. And meanwhile, we have a nice 846 00:52:47,940 --> 00:52:52,950 little garrison of, of app developers who can focus on this 847 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:57,210 and bypass the entire problem, and everyone still gets what 848 00:52:57,210 --> 00:53:01,710 they need. The only in this case, I would say Curio caster 849 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:06,150 deserve some more satoshis on the on the on the on the block 850 00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:10,380 level. But still, I mean, a lot to be fleshed out. But it just 851 00:53:10,380 --> 00:53:11,580 seems like it's workable. 852 00:53:12,570 --> 00:53:14,790 Yeah, it'd be really interesting. Steven, if if there 853 00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:20,370 was like, inside the app? If there is, you know, you can, the 854 00:53:20,370 --> 00:53:23,610 app looks exactly like it does. But then there's this one extra 855 00:53:23,610 --> 00:53:26,850 function there that just says Create podcast. 856 00:53:27,870 --> 00:53:32,130 Yeah, it totally seems doable. You log in and you've got proof 857 00:53:32,130 --> 00:53:35,520 that you're the owner of that podcast, and you can do whatever 858 00:53:35,580 --> 00:53:36,990 you want with the RSS feed. 859 00:53:37,620 --> 00:53:40,890 Yeah. And then you put and then you just publish it back through 860 00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:45,510 through a hosting API. And you can update it, as you you know, 861 00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:48,090 as you feel need to, and then you still have the safety of 862 00:53:48,090 --> 00:53:52,290 being behind the, the hosting the hosting companies border, 863 00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:55,230 you know, for billing and all that kind of jazz. It'll be 864 00:53:55,230 --> 00:53:56,160 pretty cool, man. 865 00:53:56,790 --> 00:54:00,150 I mean, imagine if podcasters show up. You say, oh, here's an 866 00:54:00,150 --> 00:54:02,520 app that your that your listeners can use, and you can 867 00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:06,720 use it to. Yeah, and if you're fortunate, it'll work with your 868 00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:10,800 existing host. If not, you know, cast a cast offs. 869 00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:14,340 Well, you know, that that was the whole thing with anchor from 870 00:54:14,340 --> 00:54:16,290 the beginning, they started off they weren't a podcasting 871 00:54:16,290 --> 00:54:19,800 company to begin with. They started off as a social audio 872 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:24,450 company was just like sharing little bits of audio. And then 873 00:54:24,450 --> 00:54:27,360 they pivoted to being a podcasting company, I think just 874 00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,750 because of you know, financial or financial reasons. But then 875 00:54:31,020 --> 00:54:34,950 so that was that's always been their thing is pick it up, hit 876 00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:38,280 the buttons, you're a podcaster Yeah, like like single click 877 00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,340 thing. It would be really cool to have that in a podcast in 2.0 878 00:54:41,340 --> 00:54:44,700 app or you know, be literally hit the button. If you're on the 879 00:54:44,700 --> 00:54:47,550 phone. If you're using Curio caster on the phone, which I do 880 00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:51,840 most of the time. Then you just hit the you know, you record 881 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,690 right into speaker or something crazy like that. I mean, like he 882 00:54:54,690 --> 00:54:59,520 could literally be that, that level of ease and you know, you 883 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,100 have some To interstitial where it's like, Okay, what host Are 884 00:55:02,100 --> 00:55:06,090 you going to use and you know, blueberry and then you just put 885 00:55:06,090 --> 00:55:07,860 your plug away. I mean, it's like a there's like a boom, 886 00:55:07,860 --> 00:55:10,530 boom, boom. All sudden, you're a podcaster. 887 00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:14,610 Yeah, this is what I'd like professors to use for their 888 00:55:14,610 --> 00:55:18,960 lectures or anything like that. I mean, just that immediacy in 889 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,320 the same app mind blowing, and you know what people will get 890 00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:30,000 it? Oh, okay. That makes sense. So Steven, have you have you 891 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:31,080 developed it yet? Is it done? 892 00:55:32,100 --> 00:55:37,440 Ah, how about next week? You know how this works, man? 893 00:55:37,890 --> 00:55:40,470 Seriously? Seriously, bro? I'm 894 00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:45,510 gonna guess I've got something to throw at you, Steve. So are 895 00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:50,760 you have you looked at all at the live tag? Or have you has 896 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,350 any of that swirling around in your head? 897 00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:58,590 I've looked at some of it with the GitHub and I can already do 898 00:55:58,590 --> 00:56:05,070 live through HLS. Because that's how the peer to peer is working. 899 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:10,200 So from what I understand HLS was set up for live streaming. 900 00:56:11,460 --> 00:56:15,090 So I was reading through the spec last night as as, 901 00:56:15,810 --> 00:56:17,400 as one does before bedtime? 902 00:56:18,750 --> 00:56:20,190 Well, it's a great way to fall asleep. 903 00:56:21,090 --> 00:56:23,400 That's what I did do. Let me read the Bitcoin white paper 904 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:23,730 again. 905 00:56:26,580 --> 00:56:32,100 Okay, so I'm reading through it. And it looks like the where we 906 00:56:32,100 --> 00:56:34,980 landed on it last time that it was talked about the reason I'm 907 00:56:34,980 --> 00:56:37,560 asking about this, I'm considering I'm trying to piece 908 00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,890 everything together for phase four right now. And trying to 909 00:56:40,890 --> 00:56:45,480 figure out exactly what tags we want to hit. And I'm catching up 910 00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,970 with it. And it's shows like, essentially, what you would have 911 00:56:47,970 --> 00:56:55,140 is a live tag. And then inside the live tag, you would have an 912 00:56:55,140 --> 00:56:59,250 f4 episode item, and everything that goes in it. And so 913 00:56:59,250 --> 00:57:03,360 basically, what that gives you is it gives you a live item 914 00:57:03,420 --> 00:57:07,290 that's hidden, because it's enclosed in this tag that note 915 00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,720 that none of the aggregators were looking for understand 916 00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:13,920 that, they would just ignore it. So you did inside that you can 917 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:19,980 put this live, you put a full episode item. And then inside of 918 00:57:19,980 --> 00:57:24,600 that the enclosure is going to reference an HLS stream or 919 00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:31,260 whatever. And then the only additional tags within it are a 920 00:57:31,260 --> 00:57:37,050 start time and an end time to let the player know that this is 921 00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:40,830 the approximate time that the live stream here is going to 922 00:57:40,830 --> 00:57:48,180 start and then we come through with a pod pain that signals 923 00:57:48,180 --> 00:57:53,130 that okay, the live stream has started. Now, I think what 924 00:57:53,130 --> 00:57:55,890 you're doing is correct me if I'm wrong, I think you are 925 00:57:55,890 --> 00:58:00,300 parsing the XML directly yourself. Right? Yeah. Okay, so 926 00:58:00,300 --> 00:58:02,490 you, you could pick all that stuff up? 927 00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:09,750 Yeah, as long as that RSS has been updated with the live 928 00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:12,180 status. Yeah, they should pick it up. No problem. 929 00:58:13,079 --> 00:58:16,919 So what do you think? Is there any sort of hearing and 930 00:58:16,949 --> 00:58:21,899 visualizing that? Do you see any drawbacks or any gotchas in 931 00:58:21,899 --> 00:58:25,619 there that that everybody may be missing? I'm really interested 932 00:58:25,619 --> 00:58:28,919 in this because I want to know, I'm, I'm, uh, I would like to go 933 00:58:28,919 --> 00:58:32,669 forward with the live stuff. And so I just feel like there's not 934 00:58:32,669 --> 00:58:37,079 enough input on it. And yet, so I'm interested to see what your 935 00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:38,879 What do you think about it? Well, I 936 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:44,520 have to, man I have to read through the spec. Because Dave, 937 00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,010 You're distracting you distracting. You're distracting 938 00:58:47,010 --> 00:58:50,130 him from my great ideas. You're putting him on a different path. 939 00:58:50,550 --> 00:58:54,750 Now I've been I was messing with the the no agenda live stream, 940 00:58:54,930 --> 00:58:57,960 trying to see if I could play it really faster, because I thought 941 00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,770 it would be really cool to get a live boost and streaming while 942 00:59:01,770 --> 00:59:03,900 you guys are doing the episode. That's what we're talking 943 00:59:03,900 --> 00:59:05,010 about. Man. Hell yeah, 944 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:08,670 you've got 2000 people in the troll room. There's competition 945 00:59:08,670 --> 00:59:11,130 on who could be boosting the most and you could even have 946 00:59:11,130 --> 00:59:16,230 like a top booster. And Ooh, like, they get their name on the 947 00:59:16,230 --> 00:59:19,530 leaderboard. Oh, check it out. And when someone boosts it 948 00:59:19,530 --> 00:59:23,370 automatically post the boost to the IRC channel. Yeah, something 949 00:59:23,370 --> 00:59:24,660 like that. Ah. 950 00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:35,670 You don't understand the monster you've unleashed? Here. See? 951 00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:39,630 Okay, so if the The only thing I could think of this a problem 952 00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:50,850 is, is if you've put the live item in the feed, then then you 953 00:59:50,850 --> 00:59:54,480 have to wait for people to aggregate it so that they know 954 00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:59,190 about it. So we're just thinking about this traditional 955 00:59:59,190 --> 01:00:02,130 aggregator client model where you just have weird the server's 956 01:00:02,130 --> 01:00:05,970 doing all the aggregation. And that can be mitigated somewhat 957 01:00:05,970 --> 01:00:10,050 with pod paying and, and with whips up to a degree. But if you 958 01:00:10,110 --> 01:00:14,250 so then you get, then you get the item. So that's, that's 959 01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,670 hitch one I think can be overcome, but then hit the only 960 01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:21,360 other hitch I can think of is that then then what happens 961 01:00:21,390 --> 01:00:24,510 after the stream. So what you would think you would want to do 962 01:00:25,110 --> 01:00:29,700 is you would want to air the stream. And after the stream is 963 01:00:29,730 --> 01:00:36,510 ended, you want to convert that into into a normal item, a 964 01:00:36,510 --> 01:00:43,410 normal episode. And so I would think, does the live item then? 965 01:00:44,130 --> 01:00:48,180 Just do you just strip the live off there and boom, you get your 966 01:00:48,180 --> 01:00:51,780 item? I don't know. 967 01:00:51,810 --> 01:00:56,790 I'm thinking like, what if you had as the top item always live? 968 01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,730 Because like the no agenda stream, you can always go to 969 01:00:59,730 --> 01:01:03,690 that URL, and it may just be playing music. But there's 970 01:01:03,690 --> 01:01:08,700 something going on. And now you know that this podcast has a 971 01:01:08,700 --> 01:01:09,180 live? 972 01:01:09,809 --> 01:01:13,649 Yes, this is handy, because it's a 24 hour live stream. You can 973 01:01:13,649 --> 01:01:14,759 always pick it up. 974 01:01:15,150 --> 01:01:20,970 Oh, yeah, yeah. Yep. Yeah. And then, as I see what you're 975 01:01:20,970 --> 01:01:23,580 saying, and then is that that things just always kind of stuck 976 01:01:23,580 --> 01:01:26,430 at the top. And then the only thing that would change would be 977 01:01:26,460 --> 01:01:32,550 this the start start time and end time. So like, if it's 978 01:01:32,550 --> 01:01:35,940 something like, let's just say, okay, accidental tech, that 979 01:01:35,940 --> 01:01:39,510 podcast has a weekly stream, live stream, but it's not a 24 980 01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:43,800 hour stream. So at the end, when their stream goes offline, they 981 01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,130 would be they would just change the start time to the next week. 982 01:01:48,990 --> 01:01:52,590 And I wonder if they had something that when you go to 983 01:01:52,590 --> 01:01:56,670 that live stream, if it's not streaming, it can just return 984 01:01:56,670 --> 01:02:01,080 something to let you know that it there's no feed going on 985 01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:01,860 right now. 986 01:02:02,910 --> 01:02:06,390 Listen, hold music boom, dude. Yeah. 987 01:02:07,830 --> 01:02:11,790 Or they could just keep looping the the last week's episode over 988 01:02:11,790 --> 01:02:12,360 and over. 989 01:02:13,290 --> 01:02:17,130 No, yeah. Okay. Now Oh, well, I like this. Cuz, see, I've been 990 01:02:17,130 --> 01:02:19,710 thinking about, I've been thinking of it in terms of 991 01:02:19,710 --> 01:02:24,810 swapping in and out live items. But this is and you could still 992 01:02:24,810 --> 01:02:28,920 do that. But I do like this idea to which you have sticky live 993 01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:33,060 item that's always there. That's, that's really good. I 994 01:02:33,060 --> 01:02:35,760 think. I mean, I really want to try to push this because it 995 01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,700 sounds fairly straightforward to me. 996 01:02:42,210 --> 01:02:47,010 And I think the thing that's been super, like, what's making 997 01:02:47,010 --> 01:02:52,830 podcasting 2.0 so popular is the community. Yep. And people want 998 01:02:52,830 --> 01:02:55,530 to feel like they're part of a community. And that's why the 999 01:02:55,530 --> 01:02:59,430 troll rooms so popular, you get to know people, and I think the 1000 01:02:59,430 --> 01:03:04,260 live stream will help enable that, because I hate waiting 1001 01:03:04,260 --> 01:03:07,110 till three o'clock to hear the newest episode. I want to hear 1002 01:03:07,110 --> 01:03:07,980 you guys live. 1003 01:03:09,090 --> 01:03:13,950 Yeah. So do you. Have you done anything in that vein? Have you 1004 01:03:13,950 --> 01:03:16,320 done anything on activity pub on comments? 1005 01:03:16,350 --> 01:03:18,390 Are you just kidding, I was gonna say like, cross cross 1006 01:03:18,390 --> 01:03:21,990 comments is, is another one of those. Yeah, I'm 1007 01:03:21,990 --> 01:03:25,860 kind of waiting because I can't get my head wrapped around. He's 1008 01:03:25,860 --> 01:03:26,010 on 1009 01:03:26,010 --> 01:03:28,980 vacation. The whole the whole world standstill. 1010 01:03:29,249 --> 01:03:32,669 I know. As soon as he puts it on his GitHub, I'm gonna go steal 1011 01:03:32,669 --> 01:03:32,819 it. 1012 01:03:32,850 --> 01:03:38,010 Yeah. Good, man. That's a good man. Yeah. Because I'm thinking, 1013 01:03:38,970 --> 01:03:42,990 you know, let's just take this this show, for example. I'm 1014 01:03:42,990 --> 01:03:47,760 thinking that the live items sticky at the top, as soon as 1015 01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:52,140 the start time happens, pod pain goes out with and what we're 1016 01:03:52,140 --> 01:03:58,620 thinking is that the pod pain will just be a notification with 1017 01:03:58,650 --> 01:04:01,620 the URL of the URL with an exclamation point or something 1018 01:04:01,620 --> 01:04:04,710 like that in front of it just didn't know that this is a this 1019 01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:10,500 is like an alert stream alert. So then that goes out. Curio 1020 01:04:10,500 --> 01:04:15,300 caster taps in at that time, when it gets the pod paying taps 1021 01:04:15,300 --> 01:04:21,450 into star streaming the feed and then in somewhere inside that 1022 01:04:21,450 --> 01:04:25,410 live item could also be a reference back to the message to 1023 01:04:25,410 --> 01:04:29,880 the podcast index dot social as the activity pub partner or 1024 01:04:30,030 --> 01:04:36,210 activity pub node. And then as boosts are happening or 1025 01:04:36,210 --> 01:04:39,570 something like that, they're they're popping into as as items 1026 01:04:39,570 --> 01:04:42,240 into the into the mastodon 1027 01:04:43,500 --> 01:04:46,530 Yeah, that'd be cool. Kind of like house the Toshio streams 1028 01:04:46,710 --> 01:04:49,560 telegram was showing when people boost it. 1029 01:04:49,860 --> 01:04:52,890 Oh, yeah, yeah, yes, exactly what I'm thinking of some Yes, 1030 01:04:52,890 --> 01:04:55,620 I'm totally like that. Yeah, cuz you could, you could link it 1031 01:04:55,620 --> 01:05:00,000 back to a mastodon or a telegram or IRC or whatever you want it. 1032 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,930 On the back end, and that they can I think that fits into 1033 01:05:04,050 --> 01:05:07,230 Benjamin Belson Bell Mesa, social tag. 1034 01:05:07,710 --> 01:05:11,190 Speaking of Benjamin Bellamy if I might just take a quick moment 1035 01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,910 and remind everybody that he will be presenting a virtual 1036 01:05:15,090 --> 01:05:19,530 session at podcast movement, podcast index, how to unleash 1037 01:05:19,530 --> 01:05:22,950 your value, thanks to the podcast namespace I don't have I 1038 01:05:22,950 --> 01:05:26,940 guess it's on demand. So you can once it's open or it could maybe 1039 01:05:26,940 --> 01:05:30,450 you can even watch it now, if you have tickets. He's really 1040 01:05:30,450 --> 01:05:33,270 flying the flying the flag and it's highly appreciated. 1041 01:05:35,730 --> 01:05:38,190 Yeah, I've got it pulled up. I plan on watching it over the 1042 01:05:38,190 --> 01:05:41,460 weekend is out already. I think you can go ahead and 1043 01:05:41,460 --> 01:05:45,240 think you can. Yeah. Yeah, I was too busy picking up the pieces 1044 01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:46,350 of my shattered heart. 1045 01:05:49,860 --> 01:05:55,590 Okay, so, Stephen, tell me that you have made at least a little 1046 01:05:55,590 --> 01:05:56,070 bit of money. 1047 01:05:56,130 --> 01:05:59,400 I was just gonna ask the same thing day is gonna say Hey, man, 1048 01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:00,930 how's the SATs stacking going? 1049 01:06:01,620 --> 01:06:06,270 I've probably made $20 that I end up giving back to you guys 1050 01:06:06,270 --> 01:06:07,020 with testing. 1051 01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:11,010 This is pretty much how it works. We're our own circular 1052 01:06:11,010 --> 01:06:13,200 economy don't don't up model. 1053 01:06:14,099 --> 01:06:19,289 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I feel you. So I mean, are you at least getting 1054 01:06:19,559 --> 01:06:20,849 a steady supply then? 1055 01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:26,430 Yeah, this guy named Adam Curry. I get a few from him every 1056 01:06:26,430 --> 01:06:28,110 single morning, right around six o'clock. 1057 01:06:28,140 --> 01:06:31,290 Yeah, that's when I'm listening to pod news. Yeah, you got a lot 1058 01:06:31,290 --> 01:06:36,840 yesterday, because we got named checked. Try quad boosted 1059 01:06:38,100 --> 01:06:43,200 quad boost quad boost. And you're the only you're the only 1060 01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:46,980 app besides pod friend that I know of that supports video 1061 01:06:46,980 --> 01:06:47,520 right now. 1062 01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:52,530 Yeah, and I surprised more don't because it sounds like it's 1063 01:06:52,530 --> 01:06:55,470 difficult. But you just use a video tag instead of an audio 1064 01:06:55,470 --> 01:06:57,720 tag. If you're using an html5 1065 01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:04,590 it's, it's a supply issue, you know, and I spoke to Roy at 1066 01:07:04,590 --> 01:07:09,090 breeze and you were working on the web ln integration, and 1067 01:07:09,090 --> 01:07:13,080 they? I think I can say this. I think it's okay to mention, I 1068 01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:19,740 don't see why not. They're seeing an issue that on iOS, not 1069 01:07:19,740 --> 01:07:25,170 Android, but iOS. The processor starts overheating. When it's 1070 01:07:25,170 --> 01:07:29,190 processing the graph, the network graph. Now I'm 1071 01:07:29,190 --> 01:07:34,320 paraphrasing what he said. I'm like, holy crap, what the heck 1072 01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:35,220 is going on? 1073 01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:38,160 No, I know exactly what he's talking about. Because I've 1074 01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:43,500 noticed that and it'll actually crash the app. Oh, yeah. It's 1075 01:07:43,530 --> 01:07:47,670 like, you'll, you'll be sitting there and it'll be processing. 1076 01:07:48,180 --> 01:07:51,870 And the thing will be fire hot in your hand. Oh, my goodness. 1077 01:07:51,870 --> 01:07:53,130 Okay. That's a problem. 1078 01:07:54,030 --> 01:07:56,880 Yeah, interesting. Yeah. I don't know what the deal is. But it's, 1079 01:07:56,910 --> 01:07:59,280 it's, it's intense. So. 1080 01:07:59,340 --> 01:08:03,270 So the supply issue. Once with me, I think that's kind of what 1081 01:08:03,270 --> 01:08:08,520 we're waiting for, is to have a little cleaner experience. But 1082 01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:12,390 quite honestly, I think we should forge ahead. I haven't 1083 01:08:12,390 --> 01:08:14,940 spoken to mark Hall, you know, so kind to put up his his 1084 01:08:14,940 --> 01:08:19,470 documentary for us to mess around with. You know, we've got 1085 01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:24,330 Alex, he's Alice gates. He's got, you know, some. I mean, he 1086 01:08:24,330 --> 01:08:27,900 can handle some stuff. We just we need to have kind of the 1087 01:08:27,900 --> 01:08:33,090 hosting part. A little more seamless. And I 1088 01:08:33,090 --> 01:08:38,130 think you can host on the no agenda to I don't know if if 1089 01:08:38,130 --> 01:08:41,010 Alex charges or I think all that's free to host on it. 1090 01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:42,120 Right. Well, he's 1091 01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,310 taking something in the value blog. Thank goodness. 1092 01:08:44,519 --> 01:08:46,919 Yeah, yeah, it's not enough, though. It's just really 1093 01:08:47,970 --> 01:08:50,910 well, this stuff to be worked on. But I mean, I agree. It's 1094 01:08:50,910 --> 01:08:55,140 just there's so much to do. So many of you know that we got 1095 01:08:55,140 --> 01:08:58,950 music coming up, people starting to use it. And, you know, 1096 01:08:59,610 --> 01:09:02,340 developers are gonna have to focus on what they want to do. 1097 01:09:02,340 --> 01:09:06,930 There's a lot that and I just have my secret wish of getting 1098 01:09:06,930 --> 01:09:11,400 everything working. Right. bypassing hosting companies and 1099 01:09:11,430 --> 01:09:14,610 and helping them out. Yeah, giving him giving him a little 1100 01:09:14,610 --> 01:09:14,940 help. 1101 01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:21,090 Well, what do you think? Is your what's the thing that you that 1102 01:09:21,090 --> 01:09:24,870 you're looking to implement? The most? Like, what? What would 1103 01:09:24,870 --> 01:09:29,640 your desire be for a phase four type feature? Or are you not? 1104 01:09:29,700 --> 01:09:32,280 Are you in a mode where you're not looking for new features? 1105 01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:35,940 Now you're just like, sort of in a I want to? I want to perfect 1106 01:09:35,940 --> 01:09:37,470 what we already have situation? 1107 01:09:38,339 --> 01:09:42,509 Live is probably, I think, the most beneficial? 1108 01:09:43,169 --> 01:09:48,839 Me too. Yeah. Yeah, I would, I would think so too, in that. 1109 01:09:49,289 --> 01:09:53,489 Here's what I'm looking at for phase four. And you can give me 1110 01:09:53,579 --> 01:09:57,629 give me any feedback you have. I'm thinking of the medium tag, 1111 01:09:58,529 --> 01:10:03,599 which I think is is really Good, the dynamic content tag. I think 1112 01:10:03,599 --> 01:10:06,449 that's clear, it's clear that that's needed. And that's a 1113 01:10:06,449 --> 01:10:09,629 simple tag. It's just basically like dynamic dynamic content. 1114 01:10:09,629 --> 01:10:15,419 Yes or No, it's a true false tag. Block, I think we're gonna, 1115 01:10:15,449 --> 01:10:18,149 I think we're gonna need that in in live. 1116 01:10:19,590 --> 01:10:23,790 And then we're going to do something with comments within 1117 01:10:23,790 --> 01:10:25,470 the namespace. 1118 01:10:26,130 --> 01:10:30,540 Yeah, but it's such a, it's such a big one, and is so fraught. 1119 01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:35,520 There, I think I'm not sure that we, I just don't think we can do 1120 01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:36,480 it in phase four. 1121 01:10:36,510 --> 01:10:39,480 Okay, that may be used to be something where some of us play 1122 01:10:39,480 --> 01:10:43,260 around to develop what we even need in the namespace. 1123 01:10:43,770 --> 01:10:46,500 Yeah, I think I think what is going to be like you just said, 1124 01:10:46,500 --> 01:10:49,710 I think it's gonna be a lot of playing around and developing in 1125 01:10:49,710 --> 01:10:54,330 then people coming in and say, in identifying ways they can be 1126 01:10:54,330 --> 01:10:57,390 abused, and then tightening that up. I think there's going to 1127 01:10:57,390 --> 01:11:02,940 have to be a lot of sort of, what do you call it? Like a back 1128 01:11:02,940 --> 01:11:07,620 and forth that goes through? Before we say, Okay, yeah, this, 1129 01:11:07,650 --> 01:11:11,160 this is something that we can that we can do. But I mean, I 1130 01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,800 think I mean, it, we all know, we, I mean, we all know that it 1131 01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:17,640 can happen. It's just that you want to make sure that you do it 1132 01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:22,080 in a way that's not just a horrible, you know, cluster of 1133 01:11:22,230 --> 01:11:23,370 potential abuse. 1134 01:11:23,910 --> 01:11:27,210 Yeah, there's a lot of issues. And until it's even built, we 1135 01:11:27,210 --> 01:11:29,010 don't even know what half of them are. 1136 01:11:29,460 --> 01:11:33,390 Yeah, yeah, exactly. You have to see it in action. And then then 1137 01:11:33,390 --> 01:11:36,360 you can say, Oh, yeah, here, because you can identify some of 1138 01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:38,700 them ahead of time and say, Okay, well, you know, I could do 1139 01:11:38,700 --> 01:11:40,770 this. And I could do that. And I can do this, then when you see 1140 01:11:40,770 --> 01:11:44,160 it in action. It's like, oh, and I could also do this. And you 1141 01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:47,040 know, that could be that could be a good thing or a bad thing. 1142 01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,430 No, I think you're I think it's going to take a couple of cycles 1143 01:11:50,430 --> 01:11:53,340 before we get our head on straight about this comments 1144 01:11:53,340 --> 01:11:53,700 thing. 1145 01:11:54,300 --> 01:11:56,970 Yeah, and I'm glad guys are just going ahead and doing something 1146 01:11:57,570 --> 01:12:01,620 instead of trying to keep it until we iron everything out. 1147 01:12:02,610 --> 01:12:03,300 And Steven, 1148 01:12:03,330 --> 01:12:07,410 have you thought at all about the onboarding process for Curio 1149 01:12:07,410 --> 01:12:10,320 caster? I mean, we've we've discussed a number of things. 1150 01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:14,850 And actually, after the last episode, Tim from Elon pay on 1151 01:12:14,850 --> 01:12:19,110 the on the on the back channel, he's like, oh, man, faucets 1152 01:12:19,110 --> 01:12:22,620 suck. I'm getting rid of them. But he's like, well, we still 1153 01:12:22,620 --> 01:12:25,590 maybe have one open or do something. We've got to figure 1154 01:12:25,590 --> 01:12:28,080 it out. Have you thought about the onboarding process? How you 1155 01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:31,140 get people into loading up the wallet on Curio caster, which of 1156 01:12:31,140 --> 01:12:34,830 course is is lm PE but have you? What's your thoughts about that? 1157 01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:39,000 Um, I think right now, they just they don't know what they're 1158 01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:45,000 doing. And that video you guys played the clip that 15 casteau 1159 01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:49,500 video that was perfect. We need more of that where it's just a 1160 01:12:49,500 --> 01:12:54,570 tutorial so that the the next level of people who aren't super 1161 01:12:54,570 --> 01:12:58,080 technical but still like the technology can start doing it. 1162 01:12:58,440 --> 01:12:59,280 What do you recommend 1163 01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:04,620 we need? What do you recommend people? How to Get satoshis into 1164 01:13:04,620 --> 01:13:06,660 their wallet? What do you tell your users? 1165 01:13:07,499 --> 01:13:11,159 I tell them to use strike strike just makes everything so easy. 1166 01:13:11,219 --> 01:13:15,329 Yeah, us only unfortunately a US No. And that does suck. It does 1167 01:13:15,329 --> 01:13:20,519 suck. My heartbreaking overstrike. Yeah, God. 1168 01:13:23,220 --> 01:13:26,490 But that that's the simplest onboarding 1169 01:13:26,940 --> 01:13:32,130 time we might get lucky with, with cash app slash. Maybe even 1170 01:13:32,130 --> 01:13:32,610 Twitter, 1171 01:13:33,150 --> 01:13:35,940 Twitter. I'm hoping jack Dorsey comes and saves us all. Well, 1172 01:13:35,940 --> 01:13:36,270 there's a 1173 01:13:36,300 --> 01:13:39,390 there's a there's a French guy. Actually, I should I shouldn't 1174 01:13:39,390 --> 01:13:42,270 have said that. But it's out of the bag. Now. There's a French 1175 01:13:42,270 --> 01:13:46,290 guy who's in like, some secret group at Facebook. And he's, and 1176 01:13:46,290 --> 01:13:51,900 he's a member of the tribe. At some Twitter, or some Twitter 1177 01:13:51,930 --> 01:13:55,530 secret group where they develop stuff like a skunk works, I 1178 01:13:55,530 --> 01:13:56,010 think, 1179 01:13:57,330 --> 01:13:58,890 like an r&d thing. Yeah. 1180 01:13:59,010 --> 01:14:03,930 Yeah. And I've met him like Dude, here's a thought for a 1181 01:14:03,930 --> 01:14:04,590 project. 1182 01:14:06,210 --> 01:14:10,530 And you know, that everybody gets freaked out by the and I've 1183 01:14:10,530 --> 01:14:14,820 seen this three times now. you recommend strike and and 1184 01:14:14,820 --> 01:14:17,730 everybody gets they get freaked out? They're like, What is this 1185 01:14:17,730 --> 01:14:22,080 thing? Want me to give? Give them personal information? You 1186 01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:26,370 had me out the first time. Yeah, I think people are not. People 1187 01:14:26,370 --> 01:14:31,770 are not understanding what it's, it's just like Venmo or cash 1188 01:14:31,770 --> 01:14:38,490 app, or PayPal. Like, it is a what your what you have with all 1189 01:14:38,490 --> 01:14:42,810 of those. You have a bank account. You have a small it's a 1190 01:14:42,810 --> 01:14:46,560 small mobile bank account is what it is. And if you attach 1191 01:14:46,590 --> 01:14:49,890 your normal bank account, what you're doing at that point is 1192 01:14:49,890 --> 01:14:54,690 you're doing banking, so you have to apply, comply with the 1193 01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:59,190 KYC AML rule which KYC is know your customer you know, 1194 01:14:59,250 --> 01:15:02,010 pretty much everything Buying Bitcoin in most places, yeah, 1195 01:15:02,010 --> 01:15:06,240 there's some kind of KYC AML actually know your customer anti 1196 01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:06,990 money laundering. 1197 01:15:07,230 --> 01:15:11,670 And here I think the issue is, is the people that are 1198 01:15:11,670 --> 01:15:15,000 interested in Bitcoin right now are they're not your average 1199 01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:18,060 Joe, they're going to be more of your liberty minded people who 1200 01:15:18,060 --> 01:15:21,840 don't want the government following them. And they've got 1201 01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:27,690 this idea that Bitcoin is a private thing. So when they are 1202 01:15:27,690 --> 01:15:30,720 asked for their ID, it's like, well, that's not what I want. 1203 01:15:31,170 --> 01:15:34,260 And that's legacy. And that's going to a lot of that is going 1204 01:15:34,260 --> 01:15:37,260 to morph and change over time. I'm not too worried about that 1205 01:15:37,260 --> 01:15:40,500 even we were talking this morning, Dave, Eric and I, about 1206 01:15:40,500 --> 01:15:43,740 the you know, the so called 20 a billion tax that they want to 1207 01:15:43,740 --> 01:15:47,190 grab from crypto. I'm like, you know, what, put to put Bitcoin 1208 01:15:47,190 --> 01:15:51,000 into the tax system, just let us know what it is now. And this 1209 01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:54,870 still, the way we the way value for value works is, you know, 1210 01:15:54,870 --> 01:15:59,610 you have no idea. No one knows who's sending what to whom now, 1211 01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:02,790 do you if you have to report income or time which you should 1212 01:16:02,790 --> 01:16:07,740 Anyway, I'll tell you, what freaks me out is PayPal 1213 01:16:07,740 --> 01:16:10,560 partnering with the anti defamation league? That's what 1214 01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:14,340 freaks me out. And it's and you know, the anti defamation 1215 01:16:14,340 --> 01:16:18,360 League, and I've, I've met with the with different leaders from 1216 01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:24,780 that in different countries. They are going way beyond their, 1217 01:16:25,290 --> 01:16:31,380 or their understood charter. And they are going to, in essence, 1218 01:16:32,010 --> 01:16:34,260 you know, I'll read it to you, the initiative with Pay Pal will 1219 01:16:34,260 --> 01:16:36,960 be led through ADL center on extremism and a leading 1220 01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:40,950 authority on extremism, terrorism and hate Pay Pal. And 1221 01:16:40,950 --> 01:16:43,770 ADL will focus on further uncovering and disrupting the 1222 01:16:43,770 --> 01:16:48,900 financial pipelines that support extremist and hate movements. In 1223 01:16:48,900 --> 01:16:52,350 addition to extremist and anti government organizations, anti 1224 01:16:52,350 --> 01:16:55,290 government organizations, the initiative will focus on actors 1225 01:16:55,500 --> 01:16:59,580 and network spreading and profiting from all forms of hate 1226 01:16:59,580 --> 01:17:04,530 and bigotry against any community. And then at some 1227 01:17:04,530 --> 01:17:07,620 point, they literally say they will be looking just at people 1228 01:17:07,620 --> 01:17:08,880 who are anti government. 1229 01:17:10,140 --> 01:17:13,500 So what is anti government? I mean, are we talking about? Are 1230 01:17:13,500 --> 01:17:17,310 we talking about Ron Paul? Because he's anti government? I 1231 01:17:17,310 --> 01:17:19,170 mean, how far does that statement go? 1232 01:17:19,410 --> 01:17:22,710 Well, it doesn't matter, the statement is there. So it's, I 1233 01:17:22,710 --> 01:17:25,350 don't even need to think about it. I know that we need to have 1234 01:17:25,380 --> 01:17:29,730 uninterruptible money because it's coming. And it goes, right, 1235 01:17:29,730 --> 01:17:33,840 it goes right back to the beginning of the show, oh, I 1236 01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:38,430 feel discriminated against by this podcast, you should no 1237 01:17:38,430 --> 01:17:44,100 longer process their payments. It's all about reporting. So, 1238 01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:49,530 you know, that just a this is not even YouTube didn't want 1239 01:17:49,530 --> 01:17:52,920 this in the beginning until something came in. But the 1240 01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:53,580 advertiser, 1241 01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:57,960 yeah. But that gets back to the beat to, you know, what we're 1242 01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:02,490 talking about earlier. And, and what I have brought up multiple 1243 01:18:02,490 --> 01:18:06,270 times in the past, is that people, people have to 1244 01:18:06,270 --> 01:18:10,020 understand that this society changes over time. And you're 1245 01:18:10,020 --> 01:18:14,730 gonna have, you may feel like your own personal politics at 1246 01:18:14,730 --> 01:18:18,810 this moment in history, or on the right side, quote, unquote, 1247 01:18:18,900 --> 01:18:22,470 of whatever is going on, while I'm not going to be canceled, 1248 01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:26,700 because, you know, I'm, because everybody agree with the con 1249 01:18:26,700 --> 01:18:29,340 with the mainstream, I agree with, with the people who are on 1250 01:18:29,340 --> 01:18:33,420 the favorable side of today, whatever the current is today, 1251 01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,420 you know, it wasn't like that 20 years ago, if you go back 20 1252 01:18:36,420 --> 01:18:39,510 years ago is exactly the opposite. And if you go, if you 1253 01:18:39,510 --> 01:18:42,960 go forward in time, 20 years from now, it could be the 1254 01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:47,010 opposite again, and you don't want to put tools, you don't 1255 01:18:47,010 --> 01:18:53,910 want to put the tools in the hands of people. Unless you 1256 01:18:53,910 --> 01:18:57,930 think it through and say okay, if I ended up on the other side 1257 01:18:57,930 --> 01:19:03,990 of this thing. How it could, it could destroy me. Yeah. So you 1258 01:19:03,990 --> 01:19:06,420 know, because everybody thinks that their position is 1259 01:19:06,420 --> 01:19:08,550 righteous, whether you agree with it, or not, everybody 1260 01:19:08,550 --> 01:19:11,340 thinks that they're on the right side of things. And so what it 1261 01:19:11,340 --> 01:19:16,320 comes down to is, do you want to put, do you want to put these 1262 01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:20,610 powerful tools in the hands of people that can abuse them? 1263 01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:25,530 Yeah. And the answer is always No. I mean, it has to be no, 1264 01:19:25,530 --> 01:19:30,570 that old adage of was it's like, you know, I may not like what 1265 01:19:30,570 --> 01:19:33,180 you say, but I'm going to defend to the death the right for you 1266 01:19:33,180 --> 01:19:38,700 to say it. That has a has a real Golden Rule application when it 1267 01:19:38,700 --> 01:19:41,910 comes to this kind of stuff. You really the reason that that 1268 01:19:41,940 --> 01:19:47,220 cliche and that that new thing exists, that all saw exists is 1269 01:19:47,220 --> 01:19:51,450 because it's true. You do have to make yourself slightly 1270 01:19:51,450 --> 01:19:54,870 uncomfortable with defending people you may not you may not 1271 01:19:54,870 --> 01:19:58,380 agree with them because ultimately it will benefit 1272 01:19:58,380 --> 01:20:02,940 everybody to have a To have some to have a system in which 1273 01:20:03,420 --> 01:20:07,380 tyrannical people in charge do not have tools to destroy you. 1274 01:20:08,550 --> 01:20:14,640 And I mean it's not really I get flustered with the whole free 1275 01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:18,000 speech stuff like that I mean as it's because it's like people 1276 01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:22,530 can't see beyond five minutes from now and look down the road 1277 01:20:22,530 --> 01:20:27,780 and say this okay things could change and I'll bring this up to 1278 01:20:27,780 --> 01:20:31,230 me if you have not been following Matt tie he bs I think 1279 01:20:31,230 --> 01:20:33,150 it's called like voice of the no yeah. 1280 01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:36,900 Oh yeah tight tie Eb I've been following him since he 1281 01:20:36,900 --> 01:20:40,890 deconstructed Wall Street which he's the only person the writer 1282 01:20:40,890 --> 01:20:41,760 for Rolling Stone. 1283 01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:45,390 Well, here's what he's doing. He does a series where he has an 1284 01:20:45,390 --> 01:20:49,290 article every so often is like, voices of the canceled or 1285 01:20:49,290 --> 01:20:53,370 something like that. And he says any he just does an expose a on 1286 01:20:53,370 --> 01:20:56,160 somebody who got d platformed. And I'm kidding, I'm telling 1287 01:20:56,160 --> 01:21:00,420 you, they are not right wingers know, many of them are left with 1288 01:21:00,420 --> 01:21:06,120 left wingers. Lots of them are anti anti. And people who are 1289 01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:09,690 pro Palestine have been d platformed. And Tifa people have 1290 01:21:09,690 --> 01:21:14,400 been doing it everybody. And and you if you think that you're 1291 01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:16,890 just kind of sort of in the happy squishy middle and 1292 01:21:16,890 --> 01:21:18,060 everything's gonna be okay. 1293 01:21:18,390 --> 01:21:24,210 You need to think again. Shall we thank a few people. Yes for 1294 01:21:25,590 --> 01:21:29,820 supporting the podcasting 2.0 project, as well as this 1295 01:21:29,820 --> 01:21:33,450 podcast, of course, it's all part of podcasts. index.org. 1296 01:21:34,650 --> 01:21:39,600 Now, the booster grams. Thank you very much, Steven. Yeah. And 1297 01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:44,790 more, of course, are working quite well. And you have those 1298 01:21:44,790 --> 01:21:46,020 on your list? I'm sure you do. 1299 01:21:46,049 --> 01:21:47,009 Yeah. Yeah. Again. 1300 01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:51,150 Thank you. Thank you, Dave very much. I love the new format. Oh, 1301 01:21:51,150 --> 01:21:57,360 cool. I got a timestamp. I've got I've got the episode. And 1302 01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:00,630 the podcast. Of course, I've got the amount of God from and then 1303 01:22:00,630 --> 01:22:05,940 I have a nice little debugging, debugging some debugging stuff. 1304 01:22:05,970 --> 01:22:10,260 Love that. Yeah, let's so this is a value. As we've discussed 1305 01:22:10,260 --> 01:22:13,890 the beginning, this is value for value, whatever value you get 1306 01:22:13,890 --> 01:22:18,240 from the project from this podcast. Go ahead and turn that 1307 01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:20,880 into a number and send it to us. You can do that by Well, 1308 01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:26,100 obviously a famous boost or here's your cue to boost you 1309 01:22:26,100 --> 01:22:30,900 know you want to that's the easy one with a podcast app from new 1310 01:22:30,900 --> 01:22:34,650 podcast. apps.com. Or you can go to podcast index.org. Scroll 1311 01:22:34,650 --> 01:22:38,400 down to the bottom Big Red Pay Pal Donate button actually hit 1312 01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:41,250 that and we gladly accept your cookbooks. And we want to thank 1313 01:22:41,250 --> 01:22:43,110 people who supported the project this week. 1314 01:22:44,340 --> 01:22:47,700 Oscar marry came in with $50. Now Oscar 1315 01:22:47,730 --> 01:22:50,610 Oscar, I was gonna we have to bring up Oscar. 1316 01:22:50,820 --> 01:22:54,090 Yes. thousand.fm new app on the block 1317 01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:57,390 brand new app. And as far as I know, the first value for value 1318 01:22:57,390 --> 01:23:00,870 enabled app in the official iOS App Store. 1319 01:23:01,170 --> 01:23:03,930 That's right. Yeah, as far as I know that. I mean, Sphinx is in 1320 01:23:03,930 --> 01:23:08,100 there. Yeah. But this would be the first single like podcast 1321 01:23:08,130 --> 01:23:08,520 app. 1322 01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:12,300 I mean, it's it's a twofer. It's a twofer. Because, you know, a 1323 01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:16,170 podcast apps themselves. We've seen from Martin's experience. 1324 01:23:16,290 --> 01:23:18,720 They're very like, Oh, what's this? what you're doing? Are you 1325 01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:22,110 conducting daily content? Do you have licenses? Show me your 1326 01:23:22,110 --> 01:23:28,110 papers. We could do one of those Hitler videos about Martin and 1327 01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:30,840 the frustrated, frustrated. 1328 01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:39,720 But also, you know, transferring transferring value outside of 1329 01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:47,280 the the apple ecosystem. So presuming that everything's all 1330 01:23:47,340 --> 01:23:50,310 a Okay, which it looks like it is and you've been using this 1331 01:23:50,310 --> 01:23:54,420 app? I think, Dave, I think it's built in flutter. So I'm hoping 1332 01:23:54,420 --> 01:23:57,900 that there will be an APK available for my graffito West 1333 01:23:57,900 --> 01:23:58,230 soon. 1334 01:23:59,129 --> 01:24:02,489 But he said he was gonna send out press releases. Think in 1335 01:24:02,489 --> 01:24:05,159 about a week and he said he wanted to wait until they get 1336 01:24:05,159 --> 01:24:05,279 it. 1337 01:24:05,730 --> 01:24:09,570 Okay, okay. Oh, I got you. So not on no agenda either. Because 1338 01:24:09,570 --> 01:24:12,360 always always plug an app or something on no agenda? 1339 01:24:12,539 --> 01:24:14,909 No, I think it was okay. For nogen I think he just said he's 1340 01:24:14,909 --> 01:24:18,089 waiting for the full press release. apk Okay. 1341 01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:23,700 We'll do that. fountain.fm It's, it's very pretty. It's very, 1342 01:24:23,700 --> 01:24:26,220 very, pretty. Pretty. Yeah, very pretty. 1343 01:24:26,460 --> 01:24:32,790 Thank you, Oscar. Let's see who we got named Jennifer Madison. 1344 01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:42,990 Yep. See, she says go podcasting. A few more. A few 1345 01:24:42,990 --> 01:24:45,810 more bucks since I allegedly don't know anything about 1346 01:24:45,810 --> 01:24:51,720 Bitcoin. that's a that's a slam on me. To be fair, I only know 1347 01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:54,450 the very tiny tip of the iceberg. That is crypto. The new 1348 01:24:54,450 --> 01:24:58,290 boyfriend quote unquote, is an ideas guy. So stay tuned, Damon. 1349 01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,890 I'm very excited. I think Tina will be probably working with 1350 01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:04,710 Dane Jennifer on some of the videos for the new website. 1351 01:25:05,460 --> 01:25:08,220 Okay, I can't wait to see those two heads come together 1352 01:25:08,820 --> 01:25:13,740 $33.33 is what she came out now we got some booster grams. 1353 01:25:13,770 --> 01:25:16,110 Yay. booster grams 1354 01:25:16,740 --> 01:25:20,460 from Karen. I'm assuming that's Karen down from mere mortals 1355 01:25:20,460 --> 01:25:28,410 podcast. Oh yeah. He gave us 1383 sets. He says these sets 1356 01:25:28,410 --> 01:25:32,280 are just these sets are just for you, Adam. Huh? Oh, 1357 01:25:33,780 --> 01:25:36,330 they were not cool. But they went into our collective wallet 1358 01:25:36,330 --> 01:25:36,870 Dave. 1359 01:25:37,440 --> 01:25:39,960 Oh, good. All right. We have a sheet we have a joint bank we 1360 01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:40,140 do. 1361 01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:43,470 We have a partner's bank account 1362 01:25:43,530 --> 01:25:47,670 partners. I can't believe you registered diaper node calm 1363 01:25:47,700 --> 01:25:48,690 forward to the end day. 1364 01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:51,030 Wait. Did I do that? 1365 01:25:52,230 --> 01:25:57,990 diaper? node.com Seriously? Oh, that's hilarious. Yes, it does. 1366 01:26:00,450 --> 01:26:02,910 It was I learned that by doing the drugs. Okay. 1367 01:26:03,480 --> 01:26:07,590 What's the diaper node? But I think I'm not in on this inside 1368 01:26:07,590 --> 01:26:08,040 joke. I 1369 01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:13,920 think it's a it's a lightning node that that has very, very 1370 01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:15,120 few SATs on it. 1371 01:26:16,440 --> 01:26:17,820 Oh, like the training wheels? Right? 1372 01:26:17,820 --> 01:26:21,270 Yeah, like the mousy? No does a diaper? No, I can't remember why 1373 01:26:21,270 --> 01:26:25,560 we did this or why I did this. I have this problem. I collect 1374 01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:28,470 domain names. It's paid off in the past though. It's been it's 1375 01:26:28,470 --> 01:26:29,190 been good to me. 1376 01:26:29,759 --> 01:26:35,249 Per node.com Okay. Thank you, Karen. Who we got here and we 1377 01:26:35,249 --> 01:26:35,789 got 1378 01:26:37,020 --> 01:26:40,440 I've preserved podcasting.com What the hell does that go to? 1379 01:26:40,919 --> 01:26:42,299 Oh, I remember when you registered though. 1380 01:26:42,300 --> 01:26:43,890 Also the podcast index. Yeah. 1381 01:26:44,850 --> 01:26:49,680 The anonymous gave us 1100 SATs and I said it says just testing 1382 01:26:49,710 --> 01:26:56,490 is the message. Good for me. Good for me to see 1000 SATs 1383 01:26:56,490 --> 01:27:00,960 from Nomad Joe. Nomad Joe This came in through pod friend. He 1384 01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:03,420 says does this thing work? Thanks for your service. 1385 01:27:03,540 --> 01:27:06,210 I love that. I love how it's like this one came in through 1386 01:27:06,210 --> 01:27:09,480 pod friend Yes, it was on the Morse code machine the teletype 1387 01:27:09,480 --> 01:27:13,710 brought it in. Yeah, 1388 01:27:13,799 --> 01:27:18,209 Dame Jennifer gave us 1000 SATs. This This came in through Curio 1389 01:27:18,209 --> 01:27:18,719 caster. 1390 01:27:18,810 --> 01:27:20,910 Yes ladies and gentlemen. We're reading it right off the 1391 01:27:20,910 --> 01:27:22,380 transfer from Curio caster 1392 01:27:25,050 --> 01:27:29,040 in the morning testing messages with boosts so cool. It's nice, 1393 01:27:29,070 --> 01:27:33,630 nice nice. Boost. By the way emojis do work in these 1394 01:27:33,630 --> 01:27:34,200 messages. 1395 01:27:34,290 --> 01:27:35,640 Yes. Yeah, I saw that too. 1396 01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:41,190 Cool. Another one from named Jennifer again through Curio 1397 01:27:41,190 --> 01:27:44,940 caster track. This boost is a marker. I guess that's a that's 1398 01:27:44,940 --> 01:27:47,340 a call back to her suggestion from last week. 1399 01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:48,810 Right. 1400 01:27:48,930 --> 01:27:49,800 1000 SATs? 1401 01:27:50,550 --> 01:27:52,590 What was the time was it? What was the timestamp? 1402 01:27:52,799 --> 01:27:56,939 I was about to give you this? You read my mind brother? One 1403 01:27:56,939 --> 01:27:58,889 hour and 45 minutes and 52 seconds 1404 01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:06,540 4550 to write it down? Well, I mean, what of course what I'm 1405 01:28:06,540 --> 01:28:12,480 expecting? Is that right from that booster Graham email. I 1406 01:28:12,480 --> 01:28:15,900 totally expect to just click on that it opens up my favorite 1407 01:28:15,900 --> 01:28:16,980 podcast app. 1408 01:28:17,730 --> 01:28:21,420 Link to whatever podcast epic came in through at that 1409 01:28:21,420 --> 01:28:22,260 timestamp, right? 1410 01:28:22,740 --> 01:28:26,550 Yes, exactly. So then I can immediately see Oh, so let's do 1411 01:28:26,550 --> 01:28:30,360 this live but do it live. Hold on a second. Okay, we're open. 1412 01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:38,040 Let's see. What What was the it's 140 4552 on 4552. Oh, that 1413 01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:41,040 reminds me to interface issue. I want to talk to Steven about 1414 01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:45,750 one. Yeah, I know debugging it laughs debugging it live baby. 1415 01:28:45,780 --> 01:28:49,950 Okay, let's see what this is. The boost button so I'm 1416 01:28:49,950 --> 01:28:53,430 expecting about 30,000 SAS from Dame Jen unless they have a 1417 01:28:53,430 --> 01:28:58,200 separate Think about it. Think about it. Yeah, boom right there 1418 01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:01,740 even boosts the way they see how that works people. 1419 01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:02,760 Beautiful 1420 01:29:02,790 --> 01:29:06,180 you just shame people. You tell them hey, you fight what do you 1421 01:29:06,180 --> 01:29:11,040 do and boasts a Bose bass boost? And they do it. Thank you, Dame 1422 01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:15,930 Jennifer. She understands my how my brain works. Perfect. Steven, 1423 01:29:15,930 --> 01:29:16,230 can 1424 01:29:16,230 --> 01:29:19,230 you do you support starting at a timestamp? Right? 1425 01:29:19,710 --> 01:29:20,700 Sure does. Yeah. 1426 01:29:21,180 --> 01:29:25,530 Okay, cool. Well, I'll make that in there. Okay, so we got we got 1427 01:29:25,530 --> 01:29:30,240 one that came in. We got one that came in on the transom 1428 01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:34,680 here. It's not on I don't have a printout. It's from Jeff it's 1429 01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:38,970 just first name Jeff 1000 SATs from Curio caster and he says in 1430 01:29:38,970 --> 01:29:41,880 lieu of a live donation this will have to do looking forward 1431 01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:42,900 to Episode 48 1432 01:29:43,410 --> 01:29:44,910 nice Alright, I 1433 01:29:44,910 --> 01:29:48,930 can't crumple it up. Yeah, I guess. Alright. Alright, so 1434 01:29:48,930 --> 01:29:54,870 that's, that's everybody so our monthly folks if I can find the 1435 01:29:54,870 --> 01:29:58,650 sheet where did the sheet go? Oh God, I've 1436 01:29:58,650 --> 01:30:01,800 lost the sheet. Oh, no, no. The sheet sheets what 1437 01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:05,220 happened to this last sheet? Oh, if they get it get it fell down. 1438 01:30:05,220 --> 01:30:09,870 It was next to my bucket. Okay, your bucket. Yeah, my my desk is 1439 01:30:09,870 --> 01:30:12,630 on is propped up on two five gallon buckets. Of course I 1440 01:30:12,630 --> 01:30:18,390 understand. Yeah, why not? Alright, so we got Jeff Miller 1441 01:30:18,540 --> 01:30:28,140 $20 droid works $20 uS ducote $6.66 Dred Scott $15 1442 01:30:28,169 --> 01:30:32,429 Pedram. You know, thank you, Dr. And I want to mention too drab. 1443 01:30:33,239 --> 01:30:38,699 I've talked about drugs so much at home to Tina. She's Tina's 1444 01:30:38,699 --> 01:30:41,909 looking around on that. I think maybe might have been Twitter or 1445 01:30:41,909 --> 01:30:45,449 podcasting. Next, he says, cost is dropped. Let me just check 1446 01:30:45,449 --> 01:30:48,089 his profile picture. Let me see what it looks like. Well, 1447 01:30:49,260 --> 01:30:51,420 have you seen dreads profile picture? 1448 01:30:51,570 --> 01:30:53,970 It's like an alien or something. Right? It's like the pod 1449 01:30:53,970 --> 01:31:02,400 friend monster blanket. Drag man. Yeah, it's fantastic. 1450 01:31:05,070 --> 01:31:12,150 See, it's just got a 15 just Leslie Martin $2 Terry Keller, 1451 01:31:12,150 --> 01:31:19,410 $4.11 or one one, Pedro gone. calvus $5 and Aaron Reno $5. So 1452 01:31:19,410 --> 01:31:20,490 that's our monthly gas. 1453 01:31:20,730 --> 01:31:23,820 Thank you, everybody. And that's it. Beautiful, beautiful. Thank 1454 01:31:23,820 --> 01:31:27,480 you all so much for supporting podcasting. 2.0 value for value. 1455 01:31:27,750 --> 01:31:30,240 What you get out of it, you put back into it that keeps it going 1456 01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:32,940 if not, eventually the shop closes. But I would say the 1457 01:31:32,970 --> 01:31:36,900 enthusiasm is great. And we feel it and we highly appreciate it. 1458 01:31:37,140 --> 01:31:41,310 And that is time talent and treasure. So even if you're not 1459 01:31:41,700 --> 01:31:46,560 sending financial support, if you're doing anything, even just 1460 01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:50,160 retweeting it, that's very valuable really revalidate them 1461 01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:54,810 we highly appreciate it. podcasts index.org Donate button 1462 01:31:54,810 --> 01:31:56,580 down at the bottom of the page and of course you can always 1463 01:31:56,580 --> 01:32:00,210 boost Steven I there's just something I want to say you made 1464 01:32:00,210 --> 01:32:03,420 a change in the in the way the progress bar shows and Curio 1465 01:32:03,420 --> 01:32:03,990 caster 1466 01:32:04,530 --> 01:32:09,510 did when we went over to video. I did that so that when you 1467 01:32:09,510 --> 01:32:12,780 watch it full screen is no have that progress bar. 1468 01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:18,600 I like that the only thing that I find problematic is if I want 1469 01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:22,440 to see. So the progress bar down below shows me what's left, 1470 01:32:22,440 --> 01:32:27,270 correct? Yes, yeah, I like that a lot. I somehow it also kind of 1471 01:32:27,270 --> 01:32:32,370 like being able to tap on that the album art and it not stop 1472 01:32:32,370 --> 01:32:36,720 immediately. But to then be able to see the balance or the full 1473 01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:40,770 progress bar with how much is left how much I've listened to 1474 01:32:40,770 --> 01:32:44,670 and then tapping on the play pause button would actually 1475 01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:46,950 pause it. I'm just just a 1476 01:32:46,980 --> 01:32:49,560 personal Orkin man because you just found another bug. 1477 01:32:49,740 --> 01:32:54,420 Well, what are you gonna call me? The man? The Orkin man. 1478 01:32:54,540 --> 01:32:54,990 Yeah, the 1479 01:32:54,990 --> 01:32:57,540 term of the exterminator company terminators. Yeah. 1480 01:32:57,780 --> 01:33:00,750 Oh, we have pest control here. Sorry. I'm not saying 1481 01:33:00,750 --> 01:33:01,410 get the reference. 1482 01:33:02,610 --> 01:33:06,870 Okay, so that's a bug. All right. Okay. I just I decided I 1483 01:33:06,870 --> 01:33:10,110 really loved the little icon down below, like, Oh, that's 1484 01:33:10,110 --> 01:33:12,720 handy. But then I also just want to see the full view and it 1485 01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:16,470 always stops the podcast. Yeah, I need to fix that. That'll be a 1486 01:33:16,470 --> 01:33:20,220 weekend project. Okay, one other thing, just because it hit me. I 1487 01:33:20,220 --> 01:33:24,990 tried to end so I stopped the clip, I wanted to send, you 1488 01:33:24,990 --> 01:33:29,430 know, get a get a clip with the share feature. And it was, oh, 1489 01:33:29,430 --> 01:33:33,570 seven minutes and 20 seconds. And I wanted to make it Oh, six 1490 01:33:33,570 --> 01:33:37,290 seconds and 20 seconds. And oh, six minutes and 20 seconds. And 1491 01:33:37,290 --> 01:33:41,070 when I type in the box, oh six. It just says Fuck you. Oh seven. 1492 01:33:42,780 --> 01:33:45,030 All right. So that's two. That's to 1493 01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:47,970 keep going. Don't worry. 1494 01:33:48,060 --> 01:33:51,060 If you know, if you don't say these things, you know what 1495 01:33:51,060 --> 01:33:55,380 happens? You get used to them. Yeah. And this has happened to 1496 01:33:55,380 --> 01:33:59,220 me with so many things, so many wonderful pieces of technology 1497 01:33:59,220 --> 01:34:02,490 that I was involved in early early on, and I learned all 1498 01:34:02,490 --> 01:34:06,630 these crazy workarounds. And so it's like I am not interested in 1499 01:34:06,630 --> 01:34:08,400 that product. Too many workarounds even though they've 1500 01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:09,600 been fixed for years. 1501 01:34:10,740 --> 01:34:13,860 And I appreciate it because I'm not messing around with a lot of 1502 01:34:13,860 --> 01:34:19,440 that stuff. And half the time I break something that was working 1503 01:34:20,010 --> 01:34:22,770 you're pioneering something else which I did which is the fast 1504 01:34:22,770 --> 01:34:28,530 follow which works perfectly within Curio caster what do you 1505 01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:31,590 what do you mean so the idea for those who are new because you 1506 01:34:31,590 --> 01:34:36,750 can create a fast follow QR code and associated URL that you can 1507 01:34:36,750 --> 01:34:40,380 then you know, paste anywhere send to somebody and then can be 1508 01:34:40,380 --> 01:34:44,100 scanned by either the carrier if you're in Curio caster, and you 1509 01:34:44,100 --> 01:34:47,790 scan it with your camera, then it will take you right right to 1510 01:34:47,790 --> 01:34:51,960 the podcast. If you're using your regular like just your 1511 01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:55,800 regular phone camera. It'll take you to the to the designated URL 1512 01:34:55,830 --> 01:35:01,830 of the podcast. I really I really Love this functionality. 1513 01:35:02,100 --> 01:35:04,380 This is something that can work cross app, though is the 1514 01:35:04,380 --> 01:35:04,980 question. 1515 01:35:05,820 --> 01:35:11,580 Yeah, as long as they follow the the format, and we just add a 1516 01:35:11,580 --> 01:35:16,350 hashtag to the end of the URL with fast follow equals and then 1517 01:35:16,350 --> 01:35:21,300 the podcast gu ID. That's it. That's it. 1518 01:35:24,060 --> 01:35:28,320 Man, you must be killing in the electrical wiring business needs 1519 01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:30,060 producing your sweep 1520 01:35:31,440 --> 01:35:40,170 that. So the question only on fast follow that I have is 1521 01:35:40,290 --> 01:35:47,940 should the URL this referenced? Should it be some sort of 1522 01:35:47,940 --> 01:35:55,350 universal landing page? Or should it be the pod the podcast 1523 01:35:55,470 --> 01:35:56,400 URL? 1524 01:35:58,440 --> 01:36:01,560 I guess what's most has a fallback? 1525 01:36:02,310 --> 01:36:04,770 Yeah, no, it has a fallback. But that's what the fallback is 1526 01:36:04,770 --> 01:36:09,870 actually what I'm talking about. So so the right now, if you go 1527 01:36:09,870 --> 01:36:13,980 to if you go to the fast follow for podcasting, 2.0 I think, 1528 01:36:14,040 --> 01:36:17,610 Steven, that you're generating it using the link tag in the 1529 01:36:17,610 --> 01:36:18,360 feed, right? 1530 01:36:18,540 --> 01:36:20,190 Yeah, yeah, that's obvious. Yeah. 1531 01:36:20,430 --> 01:36:22,530 Okay. So some feeds don't have a link tag, 1532 01:36:22,830 --> 01:36:24,300 well, they just have to go home. 1533 01:36:25,290 --> 01:36:28,170 Well, and you can manually change that to whatever you 1534 01:36:28,170 --> 01:36:28,710 want. 1535 01:36:29,700 --> 01:36:33,630 But here's what I'm thinking, though. Should there be a sort 1536 01:36:33,630 --> 01:36:38,340 of universal? Should there be a fast, fast follow.com? You know, 1537 01:36:38,340 --> 01:36:45,630 whatever. Some sort of universal thing that lands on these links, 1538 01:36:45,660 --> 01:36:51,060 if they if there's not a link in the feed in Atlanta there. And 1539 01:36:51,060 --> 01:36:55,320 what it does is takes the gu ID and converts it into like, I 1540 01:36:55,320 --> 01:37:01,650 don't know, 25 different app specific links so that you can 1541 01:37:01,650 --> 01:37:05,850 bounce out to whatever app you want. It's like a double 1542 01:37:05,850 --> 01:37:09,180 fallback. Yeah, it always works. 1543 01:37:09,330 --> 01:37:12,690 Yeah. Basically, if the link is undefined, then we just have 1544 01:37:12,690 --> 01:37:15,540 some sort of default page that it goes to. 1545 01:37:16,350 --> 01:37:19,890 Yeah. Yeah, I guess by loading an issue or something like that. 1546 01:37:19,980 --> 01:37:20,760 You know, okay, I've 1547 01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:25,110 registered fast follow.org fast follow calm has already taken 1548 01:37:25,110 --> 01:37:29,370 Let me see what people are doing on it. But I got it. Fast. 1549 01:37:29,580 --> 01:37:31,470 Fast. follow that link. 1550 01:37:32,280 --> 01:37:34,140 Well, you don't like.org 1551 01:37:34,980 --> 01:37:38,700 I mean, done. Link is cool, because it's a link because it's 1552 01:37:38,700 --> 01:37:42,750 links. Okay, long link is what all the cool kids are doing. 1553 01:37:43,410 --> 01:37:47,880 Alright, hold on. Like, pod dot link. 1554 01:37:48,030 --> 01:37:50,460 Okay. All right. And we want to be with Nathan's I want to be a 1555 01:37:50,460 --> 01:37:53,820 cool kid Hold on a second. I'm gonna be with the with the with 1556 01:37:53,820 --> 01:37:56,820 the losers sitting the wrong table at lunch. 1557 01:37:57,090 --> 01:37:59,460 Well, you know Nathan should be doing Nathan gathright should be 1558 01:37:59,460 --> 01:38:04,050 doing this anyway because he cuz he had it because he was mocking 1559 01:38:04,170 --> 01:38:06,840 he was mocking the fast follow the other day. And I'm just 1560 01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:07,770 kidding. He was a mocking 1561 01:38:08,310 --> 01:38:10,410 Who is this? Who's mocking 1562 01:38:10,709 --> 01:38:13,949 Nathan from pod dot link he was he was just playing around but 1563 01:38:13,949 --> 01:38:17,759 he he's got the perfect domain for this is called pod dot link. 1564 01:38:17,879 --> 01:38:20,699 Yeah, does Alright, fast. follow that link is registered. 1565 01:38:21,030 --> 01:38:22,470 Nice. Okay. So 1566 01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:26,040 whenever you guys want, I'll point to anything you whatever 1567 01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:28,710 you want. Okay, Cory, I'll give you a DNS. 1568 01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:35,910 Double fallback. Yeah. Nice. I mean, that that's all I can 1569 01:38:35,940 --> 01:38:40,230 all we have to solve. world hunger and homelessness, and we 1570 01:38:40,230 --> 01:38:42,390 have done a great job for ourselves. 1571 01:38:43,590 --> 01:38:46,440 And Steven can code that up and svelte. Yeah. 1572 01:38:48,090 --> 01:38:52,590 All right. We're getting punchy now. Stephen, man, what else? 1573 01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:58,290 What else? on the horizon for you? Oh, by the way, do you have 1574 01:38:58,290 --> 01:39:00,870 a family? You got a significant other? 1575 01:39:01,230 --> 01:39:04,530 Yeah, I've got a wife and she homeschools our three kids. Oh, 1576 01:39:04,530 --> 01:39:08,160 beautiful. Yeah. How old is that? That she's got the tough 1577 01:39:08,160 --> 01:39:08,970 job. Yeah, no 1578 01:39:08,970 --> 01:39:13,260 kidding. How old are you kids? I've had an 11 year old 10 year 1579 01:39:13,260 --> 01:39:15,780 old and a four year old. God bless you, man. I can't believe 1580 01:39:15,780 --> 01:39:19,560 you have time for breathing. Yeah. four year old wears me out 1581 01:39:19,620 --> 01:39:21,390 as a terrorist is a terrorist. 1582 01:39:21,750 --> 01:39:23,070 Yeah, yeah. I know. 1583 01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:24,630 It's David was like 1584 01:39:24,660 --> 01:39:28,920 yeah, from from two to five years depends on the kid 1585 01:39:28,950 --> 01:39:32,940 terrorists total dv total up territory. 1586 01:39:33,930 --> 01:39:37,140 We had just gotten the two oldest ones right out of that 1587 01:39:37,140 --> 01:39:40,230 and they were in the fun age and then comes the third one. Yeah. 1588 01:39:40,230 --> 01:39:42,150 And then they before you know it, Dad, I want the keys to the 1589 01:39:42,150 --> 01:39:48,270 car. Yeah. I can't let my wife listen now. It doesn't add man. 1590 01:39:48,270 --> 01:39:53,190 I've got a 30 year old I've got two step daughters 24 and 26. 1591 01:39:53,460 --> 01:39:57,270 And I love them. They're fantastic but doesn't end there. 1592 01:39:57,270 --> 01:39:59,100 Like like resource suckers. 1593 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:03,780 That your kids are the same exact age, almost the same exact 1594 01:40:03,780 --> 01:40:06,720 age distances. Man, the first two are two years apart and and 1595 01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:11,700 then and then the third one is six years behind in that. That 1596 01:40:11,700 --> 01:40:16,290 third one is like it's just, it's just long enough to where 1597 01:40:16,290 --> 01:40:19,470 you don't have any of the stuff, all the stuff you had is gone. 1598 01:40:19,710 --> 01:40:22,620 All the baby stuff is gone. And you forgot how to change 1599 01:40:22,620 --> 01:40:25,800 diapers, there's just enough to get out of the game. You know, 1600 01:40:26,370 --> 01:40:31,530 you got to relearn everything. When but that young having that 1601 01:40:31,530 --> 01:40:34,200 young and around is awesome. Yeah, she's a lot of fun. 1602 01:40:34,350 --> 01:40:36,810 All right, Dave, any any updates on the dupes? 1603 01:40:38,010 --> 01:40:41,610 dupes are a pain in the butt, huh? That's that's my update. 1604 01:40:42,090 --> 01:40:48,030 Okay. Now I have a flow chart. The flow chart is search for 1605 01:40:48,030 --> 01:40:52,800 titles. There's actually three dupes three d dupe scripts right 1606 01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:55,980 now. And there's, the first two are easy, it's a C hash, and 1607 01:40:55,980 --> 01:41:03,180 then a, a direct episode comparison for you for URLs. 1608 01:41:04,350 --> 01:41:08,580 Within the 32 script, it's gonna it's gonna it's like the 1609 01:41:08,820 --> 01:41:13,170 monolith. This thing, it's the flowchart for it and it's, it 1610 01:41:13,170 --> 01:41:16,860 does a title comparison, a fuzzy title match, then when that 1611 01:41:16,860 --> 01:41:24,390 comes back, it, it looks for URLs in the episodes that match. 1612 01:41:24,540 --> 01:41:29,370 If some of those match, then then it looks for title matches 1613 01:41:29,370 --> 01:41:35,010 in the episodes. If also some of those match, then it looks then 1614 01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:38,430 the part that I'm on right now is the image comparison then is 1615 01:41:38,460 --> 01:41:42,750 first look for image matches on the episode level, and then on 1616 01:41:42,750 --> 01:41:47,010 the fee level. And then finally, it will have to differentiate 1617 01:41:47,010 --> 01:41:52,710 between you'll have to look for iTunes IDs. And and then it'll 1618 01:41:52,710 --> 01:41:57,360 say okay, if this one has an iTunes ID consider it to be the 1619 01:41:57,360 --> 01:42:01,830 authoritative version. And then mark the other ones dead. If 1620 01:42:01,830 --> 01:42:05,730 they if none of them have an iTunes ID, then that that's 1621 01:42:05,730 --> 01:42:10,290 still a question mark on the flowchart. So I mean, it's just 1622 01:42:10,290 --> 01:42:11,100 a pain in the butt. 1623 01:42:12,030 --> 01:42:14,250 Where you feel you're getting there. You're moving stuff is 1624 01:42:14,250 --> 01:42:14,790 happening. 1625 01:42:15,300 --> 01:42:20,160 Yeah, it's moving. It's moving. I keep I like I work on it until 1626 01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:22,890 I get super frustrated with it. And then I go and switch back 1627 01:42:22,890 --> 01:42:26,550 and do something fun. And then I go in then I'll you know, switch 1628 01:42:26,550 --> 01:42:26,880 back. I 1629 01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:30,030 usually just yeah, just go beat a small animal, usually. 1630 01:42:31,080 --> 01:42:38,340 Squirrel. I saw a bobcat the other day. Oh, nice, beautiful 1631 01:42:38,340 --> 01:42:38,880 animal. 1632 01:42:41,490 --> 01:42:45,330 Do we have we have? What are those things? Like it's not a 1633 01:42:45,330 --> 01:42:52,980 lynx? main pan, Panther. No, they're like they're like a cat. 1634 01:42:52,980 --> 01:42:56,310 But they're a little bit bigger. There. They're like, somewhere 1635 01:42:56,310 --> 01:43:00,210 between a house cat and a dog size isn't 1636 01:43:00,240 --> 01:43:02,580 isn't isn't that kind of what one of those mountain mountain 1637 01:43:03,330 --> 01:43:04,470 bobcats are. 1638 01:43:04,920 --> 01:43:08,070 That they have like pointy they have real point one years. Yeah. 1639 01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:11,550 And they have spots. I think that's a lynx. Yeah, 1640 01:43:11,910 --> 01:43:14,820 yeah, that sounds more like a lynx to me than a bobcat. 1641 01:43:15,480 --> 01:43:18,810 We have those around here every now and there. They're very rare 1642 01:43:18,810 --> 01:43:21,570 but one time every now and then you'll see one and it freaks you 1643 01:43:21,570 --> 01:43:21,810 out. Yeah, 1644 01:43:21,810 --> 01:43:25,500 the real point. Real pointy ears is the is the Lynx and the 1645 01:43:26,730 --> 01:43:30,990 bobcat. Although the one I saw is like had white fur. Maybe it 1646 01:43:30,990 --> 01:43:34,830 was escaped from somewhere. I don't know crazy people in the 1647 01:43:34,830 --> 01:43:36,840 hill country man we have all kinds of weird best. 1648 01:43:39,150 --> 01:43:39,660 That's right. 1649 01:43:41,310 --> 01:43:42,090 Smokey 1650 01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:47,430 My goodness. All right. 143 I think I think we've kind of done 1651 01:43:47,430 --> 01:43:52,530 it for this episode. Steven, anything else to add? No, I 1652 01:43:52,530 --> 01:43:57,930 mean, I guess just get the word out. And man the podcasters are 1653 01:43:57,930 --> 01:44:00,720 the ones who are going to push this they need to let their 1654 01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:03,600 audiences know I Oh man. I appreciate 1655 01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:05,070 you Curio caster calm 1656 01:44:05,100 --> 01:44:08,070 yes Curio caster calm Dave Do you want me to play any of these 1657 01:44:08,070 --> 01:44:10,680 end of show things? You have not listened to them? Of course. 1658 01:44:11,070 --> 01:44:16,650 Oh, one of them is just a cut down version of Kyle a bears. 1659 01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:19,320 It's like It's like a house ad. Oh, cut it down. Put it down to 1660 01:44:19,320 --> 01:44:24,120 be nice. chapters, transcripts, images, links stream micro 1661 01:44:24,120 --> 01:44:28,350 payments to the podcast and sensitive Oh, she's in real time 1662 01:44:28,380 --> 01:44:32,040 over the lightning network using a compatible podcasting 2.0 app. 1663 01:44:32,190 --> 01:44:36,930 Just go to new podcast apps.com that's new podcast apps calm and 1664 01:44:36,930 --> 01:44:39,720 for more info go to podcast index.org 1665 01:44:44,460 --> 01:44:47,160 love it. Thanks to our special guests here in the boardroom 1666 01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:51,150 today. Steven Bell Curio casters calm and. and fellow Texan. I 1667 01:44:51,150 --> 01:44:53,430 did not know that. We got to hang out. Steven. I'll come 1668 01:44:53,430 --> 01:44:56,430 down. I'll come down to San Antonio. All right. Let me know 1669 01:44:56,430 --> 01:45:00,270 we'll go get a beer. Oh, for sure. Dave, my friend On the 1670 01:45:00,270 --> 01:45:02,190 other end, have yourself a great weekend. 1671 01:45:02,520 --> 01:45:05,790 Yeah, man, good to be packing for podcast movement and getting 1672 01:45:05,790 --> 01:45:07,080 ready for that. Oh, that's right. 1673 01:45:07,110 --> 01:45:09,750 That's right. Are you bringing t shirts or just one for yourself? 1674 01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:12,780 Oh, I gotta hold on. Eric hook me up, baby. 1675 01:45:12,870 --> 01:45:16,320 I love it. All right. Yes. Eric, thank you very much. 1676 01:45:16,950 --> 01:45:19,680 If anybody wants to hook up and have beers or whatever, a 1677 01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:21,960 podcast movement, just shoot me an email, David podcast. 1678 01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:24,990 index.org I've already got, yeah, of course, a list of 1679 01:45:24,990 --> 01:45:28,170 people that you're meeting up with, but if anybody else wants 1680 01:45:28,170 --> 01:45:29,220 to join us, let me know. 1681 01:45:29,580 --> 01:45:33,480 That's it. podcasting 2.0 Episode 48. We'll see you again 1682 01:45:33,480 --> 01:45:37,140 next week. with Dave coming live from podcast movement till then 1683 01:45:37,140 --> 01:45:38,670 take care. Have a great weekend everybody. 1684 01:45:54,060 --> 01:45:58,830 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 visit podcast in 1685 01:45:58,830 --> 01:46:04,830 this.com for more information boost