podcasting 2.0 for August 6 2021, Episode 49 we got boots
on the ground.
Yeah, Friday once again, progress never stops always
rocking forward.
Welcome to the board meeting of podcasting 2.0 everything going
on in podcast index.org podcast index dot social. We got another
good one for you. I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of Hill
Country, Texas and in Nashville, Tennessee, in true live music
capital of the world. My friend on the other end, ladies and
gentlemen, Mr. J. Jones.
I figured out we did this whole thing wrong. We did a whole
podcast index the LLC, like everything is wrong. What are we
done that we screwed the template up? The clearly the
right way to, to introduce your business into podcasting is to
come in, survey the landscape. Take a name that already exists.
We should have called ourselves blueberry back from the very
beginning. All right.
We just went in we make a port and then we and we know we
should have called her says Lipson name, I should have
claimed that and then we should attach podcasting 2.0 to it and
then denigrated the rest of the industry and then expect
everybody to love us. All right. That's our show, everybody.
Thanks. That's Dave sitting there in Nashville, Tennessee
podcast movement.
Oh, my goodness, I cannot wait to hear what's going on. You're
in. You're in a hotel room right now. And I might as well bring,
bring the other guy in who's sitting here right. I'm gassy
and right there at the at the table. podcasting advocate and
educator award winning host of the audacity to podcast creator
of my podcast reviews, curator of podcast industry insights,
ladies and gentlemen, Daniel J. Lewis. It is a pleasure to talk
with you guys. And I came with my own podcast intro tear. So
can I do this? Yeah.
The only guy in podcasting who knows Adam Curry as the father
of podcasting, and not some guy with some kind of hair from some
kind of music thing on TV. It's Daniel J. Lewis. And
it's like a foul Anna Anna when at the same time somehow. So now
this is really interesting to have him go because Dave, you
messaged me. So yeah, I got Daniel J. Lewis on like, okay,
so they got drunk in a bar. No doubt something happened. How
did how did you two guys wind up together? This is this is good.
Yeah, well, I've wanted to talk with you guys on the show for a
while and a big, big, big advocate for podcasting. 2.0. In
fact, I've gotten to some of the vendors here at podcast
movement. Before Dave did, and I said to them, I'm gonna stick
Dave Jones on you because you need to hear more about how to
incorporate some of these features and why you need to
Yeah, I get it. I get a stream of text from, from Daniel like,
Alright, you need to go talk to this guy. Just talk to him. And
then like, you know, like three hours later, okay, now you need
to talk to this guy. Cool, man. It's like, he's the. He's the
guy that goes to and tells the soil before I get there.
This is excellent. Because I'm not there.
That has a whole bunch of reasons. One is I was tired.
Like, I got to do Thursday show and Friday show is like this.
It's a weird middle of the week show, which I think is odd. But
it probably I don't know why but it worked out.
So have you seen the keynotes when you alluded to the the Mark
Cuban firesides thing chat? Did you see that? Did you see a
keynote tell me? I mean, I've only read a little bit about it,
that it was that you'd referred to podcasting 1.0 and all kinds
of interesting.
quotes. I avoided it avoided it out of protest of protest. Yeah,
solidarity with Dan Dan banje. course Of course. Yeah. But
Daniel saw it, and he can give a full review. Yeah. So I'm not
sure if podcast movement knew what to expect from Mark Cuban.
And we've seen this kind of thing happen before with New
Media Expo and stuff where they think a keynote speaker is going
to present one thing and they end up presenting something
else. So I don't know if podcast movement knew that keynote would
be basically one giant commercial for fireside or
kidding me. Did you know that was? I mean, does anyone watch
Shark Tank? Of course, this is the whole thing was gonna be a
pitch.
Yeah. And it was and throughout it, you would have been so upset
if you were here. Throughout it. He was saying that podcasting
has not changed since it started at all. And he said things like
there's no way you can know information about your audience,
and even ask the audience how many of you are happy with the
amount of data that you get about your audience and I threw
my hand way up. And I Kris krumitz I was from pod fest was
passing by and he said you should stand up and shout which
I should have said
I didn't but no one else raised their hand. I just thought What
what? Are you guys wanting to spy on your audience? What do
you want from your audience? But then that's where fireside is
apparently that way and we're talking about not Dan Benjamin's
fireside. But so what it what is it? Exactly?
Because, okay, what is it? Well, how does it work? And how is it
connected to podcasting other than you can publish whatever it
is through libsyn? I mean, that's, that's what I've heard.
So what exactly is it? It's it's really clubhouse with a 1990s
interface. The interface is really bad and you open it up,
you can't see what people are talking about. You can only see
the pictures of the people who are talking or hosting room.
Right. Okay, so it's a it's a bad clubhouse, which didn't work
for podcasting. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And apparently this is
going to be the way to revolutionize podcasting. I'm
glad he never said podcasting to point out he did say podcasting
1.03 times, but never 2.0 I well. Okay, so, first of all, I
think he's kind of right, podcasting hadn't changed. I'm
just because he is not aware of what we're doing doesn't mean
that, you know, he, he can be ignorant. So it hasn't changed.
We've only started changing in in less than a year.
And, you know, I'm sure that his whole ploy must have been some
kind of monetization scheme. Because otherwise, I mean, the
the quote I read was podcasting. 1.0 the only way to make money
is to lie, which I think is very funny.
I think it's kind of a good quote. Because, yeah, statistics
are very iffy in my book. So what what's the what's the money
thing that he was bringing to the table? Yeah. How does he
make money? Because I never heard that part. What's the
monetization strategy? I think it's to be able to hold on Stop.
Stop. Tip, Dave. Dave, did you just say, Did I hear out of your
mouth come the words? What's the monetization strategy? Yeah,
because you got to get get him out of there. Get him out of
Nashville.
No, no, this is this is the wet No, I'm talking. I'm embodying a
douche. And talking and talking as if I'm on the stage
presenting whatever this thing is. Okay. Surely he said. He
said, here's the monetization strategy. Yes. Okay. Tips. I
think that's their idea. And it seems like they think you're
going to bring your entire audience to listen live through
fireside. And then there's some button that you can press
afterwards, publish your fireside recording to your
Lipson feed, and probably eventually other providers as
well. But that's what turns it into a podcast, this is going to
be a Hindenburg level of failure.
With the word monetization strategy written on the side of
the Hindenburg, this is not going to well, it has my least
favorite things in there. You know, podcasters should not be
working for tips.
For tips, you want the app, he launched the app, and it's just
a bunch of people's faces, you don't even know what to do. And
then, like somebody, somebody emailed me this morning, and
said,
Yes, supposed to be easy, but it takes you through 15 steps when
you sign up for it. He said I bailed it step 12.
So that's just clubhouse, and it's and that didn't work. No
one's interested in clubhouse for podcasting anymore as as
predicted. So what is the big thing this year?
What's everyone talking about?
I don't know if there is one thing that everybody's talking
about. I haven't actually gone to that many sessions. I've been
mostly talking to the vendors and the podcasters. Yeah. What
are they talking about? What what what is what's the vibe on
the street? Come on? what's what's you know, come on
Huckleberry, what is the street saying monetization strategy?
monetization strategy? spreader event. That's all that I ever
hear at these conferences is, how do I promote my podcast? And
how do I make money from my podcast? That's the kind of
thing every podcaster wants? No, no, no, only those who go to
conferences.
Not every not every podcaster wants to make money. I disagree
with that. That's not true. Lots of people just do it. Because
this is very much a super spreader event. Absolutely. I
mean, like, there's, you can see the Delta floating around in the
air here. You know, it's, it's, it's rough. Alright, so now let
me try this. Daniel, what do people know about podcasting?
2.0. And what do they know about value for value? Just as you're
talking to people, what do you get the vibe that anyone knows
what we're doing? So the primary people I've been targeting for
that have been the hosting providers, like we've got
blueberry Lipson buzzsprout. Red Circle is even here and a couple
other hosting providers, I think so I've been asking them. Are
you integrating this? what features are you integrating
And red circle brought up that thing that this is going to
trigger you, Adam. Oh, yes. And well, one of the big apps does
that, then we'll jump on board. Yes. Okay. And and so I told
them, no, you have the power, you put this in your feeds, and
then the big apps, we'll see, well, we've got half a million
podcasts, publishing with this new data, we should probably
support this. But I talked with Tom from buzzsprout, talking
about podcaster wallet idea of when buzz cow sprout could do to
offer their customers as well as even get a small portion from
what the wallet brings in. And he was getting really excited
about that. Because he's, he's totally on board with the idea
of value for value. Because, yeah, the micropayments giving a
podcaster $5, where the podcaster only ends up seeing at
best for 50. From that, because of all the fees that most of
these payment processors have that isn't best. Yeah, yes.
Usually, mostly, I would say it's lower than that actually
more like 325 Yeah, yeah, I was thinking 350. Yeah. But if you
can do something where you've got $5 worth of satoshis, and
you're giving your favorite podcast, or even if it's only
five cents per episode worth of satoshis It's so accessible,
that if 1000 people from your audience are giving you five
cents per episode, you're making $50 an episode. And it's super
easy for them, it's convenient for them. And they're able to do
the same thing for all of their other favorite podcasts when
they load up their wallet. And Tom was really excited about
that, you know, you know, it really brought it home for me
because you know, the value for value model is well known.
Although it kind of, I would say Patreon tried to automate it in
a way but they they screwed it up because they didn't leave it
as open as it should be like, you should just be able to
determine per episode, what you want to do.
What's really bringing this around is these damn booster
grams, there's two things coming into my email in the morning, I
see booster grams, which are just so much fun. I mean, so
that right there in a handy format ready to be read back on
the show is a donation with a message and they're very short.
For some reason the booster gram even just calling it a booster
gram, people aren't writing very long donation notes, which is
good. And the other one is like the daily and weekly income
report that all of a sudden, our podcast index node started
sending me Dave, that's excited just happened. They were
spontaneous magic. And it just decided and so he was like this,
this is better than PayPal. I mean, it's like boom, here's
what came in. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, like holy crap. And
then of course if you just go to the wallet and you see every
minute
clip every minute something's coming in it How long has it
been since you clicked boost?
That's too long. Exactly. You got to be boosting got to be
boosted now it's man is Hill Country, it is some magic, some
magic that is taking place here. And I can I can understand
everyone gets excited when you see that. It's a very visual
thing that made a big difference with with people even me I was
talking with Mitch from pod verse. So we were I was showing
him the the the income that the lightning node of our lightning
node. And we were just doing some and showing him the Daily
Report. So we just did some like quick napkin math for for pod
verse the app. And because he was telling me like, Okay, well,
we need this much to to break even each month. We need this
much to you know, pay, we have police from lawyers fees that we
need to do for business, you know, all the typical stuff that
LLCs and stuff have to deal with, in in the hosting easily.
He's like it's X number of dollars a month, is what we just
did. And I'm like, so I whipped out my phone and showed him the
lightning node. And we're just looking at Okay, if 1% is
flowing through podcasting right now, then in this is what our
node represents. Then let's just multiply that up to a 5% split
if Bob first decided to take 5% like Brees does. So we might we
mark that up. And it was like at current levels. He knew that he
would have a salary. It will he would cut he would he would
completely cover the hosting fee. Yeah. Well, and I was the
dentist then after that it's all gravy I was looking at at our
daily income report. And I know that our our daily nut for the
servers is like 12 bucks, isn't it something like that, like 10
or $12 is tip is somewhere.
It's somewhere in the 10 to $13 range. So I see we got 30 211
sets or we're almost $13. So that's now a perpetual motion
machine. But more exciting is 20 215 transactions, which is a
nice amount so we're that's them everyone else probably saw
220 215 transactions I've got Did you see the weekly? Yes,
that email. Yeah, but you know what, what's most interesting to
me is
The number of transactions and SATs per transactions per app.
Right? So that breakdown is really helpful. Oh, my goodness.
So you see that breeze is really
has
the highest amount of SATs but
number two on transactions and swings you can see that they are
number two in a set amount. But they're number one in
transactions, you know because and we know that swings is kind
of a default and people let it sit there three or something
something like that, or 10 or something like that. They never
really never really changed it. He just looked at this as like
wow. And everyone showing up on the chart pod verse fountain,
Curio caster this new app called unknown, which I'm very excited
about. Everybody loves the best app ever.
Basically, fireside
pod friends on there. Yeah, five 5701 stats and 160 transactions.
It's just I mean, when you see the breakdown, so like
yesterday, what the email that we're looking at is shows 45,326
SAS that came in in the last 24 hours to the index. So like at
current market rate of Bitcoin, which is you know, it's a little
high based on this average over the last few months, is $17.68.
Now, that's before show days, you're gonna have some booster
grams and that kind of thing. But what you know what we're
seeing on average,
got
to be I'm tired, but this is the same stuff that we're going to
be able to offer all podcasters is this this kind of service
where you get this daily email, you get a weekly email, you can
see where it's coming from, you get your booster grams, this is
exciting. It's really exciting talking to Tom Rossi from
buzzsprout. About that was getting him really excited. I
was saying, I think the hosting providers should step up and
provide wallets for all of their customers. And in fact do it
automatically for everyone. So like buzzsprout is known for
being really good at sending out congratulations and milestone
achievement are very good. They're very good at
communicating absolutely like so I told them why if for every
podcast on your platform, you have a wallet set up for them
already. So it's already able to receive Bitcoin and already
receiving it from some of these different places. So when it
reaches a particular threshold, then you send out an email to
your customer saying, congratulations. You have
already earned Bitcoin from your podcast. Here's how to comply
Ah, nice one. Yeah, with little stars jumping off the email to
ding ding ding. Congratulations. You've you you have money. And
you have money waiting for you. Yeah, no. It's funny, because
when we first were concepting the idea. We talked about that
didn't we day, we talked about it just basically giving every
single every single podcast in the index. format, no idea. We
were gonna create 4 million wallets. And we thought about it
for a long time. I said, Yeah, even if, if people vote $1 into
a couple of those wallets, he can be a pretty big
responsibility to
housing all that. So that's a good idea. You're doing the
Lord's work. Daniel J. I love that, man. Thank you. Really
appreciate it. That's very cool. Dave, I mean, you get the same
vibe from everybody. Yeah, I mean, everybody, it has been
really interesting to talk to the pod chaser guys, yesterday,
had a chance to talk to Cole Raven, and tell him about like,
because we've worked with them together like on the namespace
in order to finalize the taxonomy, integration with the
person tag, and that kind of thing. But just like with the
Bitcoin conference, in Miami, you can do all this stuff
remotely. But if you have a chance to your head, you can
accomplish more in 10 minutes of face time than you can in three
months of back and forth on a GitHub repo. That's absolutely
true. Absolutely. Yeah. Being able to just talk to these guys
and get and by the way, Todd Cochran, that guy's a maniac.
He's got stories of man like it, he he's a Navy guy. So then, you
know, he has of course he has stories. He's he's been around
man. He's been registered from RSS calm was going and he's
like, please tell us the story. I just like, one story. And I
was like, man, I can't do it. I can't tell you this. You know, I
can't tell you that. shoot you, you know, classified.
classified. Yeah. Who else who else was there that we know that
we've been working with?
Oh, Tom, Tom and Kevin from buzzsprout. Departure chaser
guys, blueberry, Todd, and Mike from blueberry.
Lips lips in got Dave Jackson roblin Greenleaf and Lipson.
Gosh. I mean, just every man pretty much everybody is good to
get to just just say, you know, say hi neighbor also met a
couple of guys that are developing a new app.
I don't know if they have Republic yet. I won't say the
name but there
developing a new app and podcasting 2.0 value for value
compatible? They're pulling in they're wanting they're gonna
pull it all in. So exciting. Yeah, so that it's just like
getting it was a it was a good thing to be here. I mean I'm
exhausted but it was a good thing to be I'm really happy
when it was a little easier for you because you could just drive
very happy when I'm appreciative too because I know that those
those days they just drag you down man you just dead at the
end of the day. Yeah, they the late night drinking and all that
so it is it'll keep your receipts. Yeah.
It's amazing like you bought you by Daniel J. Lewis one, you
know, one drink and he also he's like a consultant.
Daniel, how about hardware man is the app
once again I looked at the
the road caster pro I'm like, oh, man, if only they could do a
few more things that would be just perfect. They haven't quite
gotten it to where I needed they're missing a noise gate on
the USB channel. Do they have anything new to anyone have
anything cool like an all in one? road isn't here.
Unfortunately, there are several road caster pros represented
here. Like BSW has them along with several microphones. And
there's microphone manufacturers. There. Our focus
right is here with their interfaces. They're fantastic
things. And there are some things coming like MX l as a
couple of new microphones coming in that they're targeting at
toward podcasters dynamic microphones designed for
podcasters to be affordable small compact with pretty nice,
like one of them actually looks like if you just shrunk the RV
320 down and squashed it in a little bit. That looks like one
of the new MX l mics
doesn't. I thought that there also was an actual squash down
version of this. somewhere that that
electro voice makes I thought I could be they have a booth here
with several of their microphones you can try out
there. There are some cool things coming. But I can't talk
about them.
If you were here
Did you have to swear in blood and do a little decoder ring
thing and secret handshake to recording? Just let me ask Okay,
I get to ask a couple questions. Is it a recording device? Is it
a podcast? It does include a mixer? I'm not gonna play Todd
Cochran here. I can't say anything about it.
You know, and it's funny, because and I guess now the news
is out to James Boggs from Apple left. Yeah, we knew this. What
Dave four weeks ago? Yeah, we kept our mouth shut. But we also
didn't tease anybody. Like, I know, I have a secret. I know
who's got kicked out of that job. Which I don't know if
that's true, but
Okay, yeah. That I mean,
you had to think there would be some shake up I hate. I hate
that it was him. But or if you know, if it was but you you got
to think is one or two things either, either. It was his idea.
And they didn't like the execution. And no matter someone
had to burn for the execution of that have that change, I mean,
that someone had to burn for that. Or he was really against
it and said and in disgust is gone, which I kind of hope that
he were like, this is this is lame, I'm out, I'm gonna do
something else. And none of the apple guys are here. I mean,
Steve, formerly of Apple is here. But like Ted and some of
the other developers and such from Apple, Apple has said no to
any travel now because of new COVID concerns. So no one from
Apple is here. And I think that's why a lot of other
vendors and attendees had to cancel almost last minute as
well, because of just your over COVID stuff. Now, Was there
anyone who said hey, I want this I want in on this podcasting?
2.0
Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, like lots of guys. I mean, they're
like, pod pod chaser. Hey, they were talking to me like
podcasters. Do you mean a podcasters? Who are saying,
Yeah, this is cool. I gotta do this now fact. So the fast
follow thing. There is a perfect example of fast follow here at
the conference, podcast movement conference app has its own
camera, and all of our badges have QR codes on them. So
instead of exchanging business cards, what you do is inside of
the podcast movement app, you scan someone else's badge, and
it instantly connects you to them, shares your contact
information, adds you to your contacts, adds them to the
contacts inside of the app so you can quickly see who did you
talk to, you can't make a note on someone but you can exchange
messages back and forth and we can give them a one to five star
rating. But it's a great
way you can rate people to social you got social credit
score going on, though.
Like, what do you in the black mirror? That guy's one star?
Really? Now I can you see your own abuse on the red social
distance button stay six feet away from me and they can't get
close enough to give to give you your work. Now if you scan
someone's code as a pop up how many stars they have, what their
rating is? I don't float above their head, does it float above
their head and little number of stars? Wow. Wow, that's really
interesting example. So talking, I was talking with a perfect
example of another reason I'm not there. That's what that is
perfect example. Wow, that's pretty outrageous. It's fast
follow where someday I'll be able to open my overcast app and
say, here's a great podcast. You shouldn't listen to this here.
Open your podcast app now, which could be pod verse while I'm
using overcast? No, I see. I think that's happening. And it's
interesting you say that because QR codes all of a sudden have
the same obsession I have with it. I really despise them during
you know, last year with COVID. And there were no menus in the
restaurant and and invariably, there were some that just didn't
work with my scanner, like how just whatever. But now, it's
like I find myself and I figured out that Chrome or brave, you
can right click and pops up a QR code, which is great. If just
want to get a URL on your phone built in. I was showing it to
Tina, she's like, Oh, that's kind of cool. Boom. So that
works great.
It's Yeah, I'm seeing more of this. And it really came to me
more with the with the lightning invoices. And with anyone with
with with Bitcoin addresses I really had. I really thought QR
codes were just a stupid gimmicky thing for, you know,
Madison Avenue types, but there's real functionality to
it. I'm surprised. I was wrong. I'm very surprised by this.
Yeah, I'm really thankful that Steven, Steven bill, like took
that took that thing by the horns and ran with it, and just
just got something out there. He's like, because that's the
one thing that frustrates me is you talk about a spec, talk
about a spec, talk about a spout. Well, if you're creating
a spec from from from scratch date that is not doesn't exist
in the world yet. You know that you're not going to get rapid
adoption, like within, you know, everybody's not going to do fast
follow QR codes in a week, right? So you've got time to
just like, throw something out there, play with it a little
bit. See what good is see what's good, what's bad, you know? And
then you're gonna have some some runway plenty of runway where
everybody can say, Oh, well, I don't like this. Let's change.
Let's change this back. So I think it's great to just have
the thing out there and see if it works.
leaking. We'll find out speaking of Stephen B. So he sent me some
super secret URL. And there was I was looking at podcasting 2.0
and Curio caster, and there was a button. I said add episode.
Oh, he's doing Oh, yeah. So boom, add episode. And I'm
typing in the, in this editor, and it's showing up right there
in the in the episode list already is really in dad's we're
interesting feelings like Oh, okay. You know, because that's,
the whole point of the experience is that you can
preview everything. So I don't know how he's going to do with
chapters and all that stuff. But yeah, we'll get to that. But
yeah, he's, he's, he's doing it on his lunch break.
Man, if he just if you if you build the feed, and build all
that stuff, and build the associated chapters, 1000
transcripts, and that kind of, or whatever you're gonna do, you
build that feed out. And then you have us hook into like, the
hosting API and publish, give it to them publish and publish. And
the
authors are gonna say,
I know it's such a it's such a mind Bender, when you when you
see it in front of you when you're doing it. It's like,
okay, yeah, this in a weird way makes sense. You can pre knew
the whole idea is you can preview everything, okay? I like
the title. I'm looking at the at the show notes, chapters,
presumably,
you know, maybe I've already linked in the transcript and all
this stuff, and then you preview and then you hit publish, and
God has done and it's it's always the import though. That's
where everything goes wrong. That's where Martin had a huge
trouble with wasn't really importing, but it kind of was
cast upon I think, I think we still have trouble with
importing on cast apod that's where it breaks to the creating
from fresh feed. Almost everyone does it beautifully. But when
you have to import some old crap, it's there's so much going
on in show notes and images and URLs and who knows what else and
things just break. It's really hard to do.
And I see some enthusiasm and
The new chapters to like someone was asking, Well, how is that
really different from editing the chapters in the 83 tags? And
well, they kind of answered their own question by telling
me, one of the only reasons why I used a Mac was for a while,
that was the only way to put chapters. Right file right into
the file itself. Yeah. And now there's some other ways, but
still, it's just like on the web, you have a database for
your content, you have CSS for your styling and design, you
have the HTML or whatever is generating that for the
structure, you have JavaScript for the behavior. In podcasting,
that's now what we're doing with the chapters is that we're
moving chapters to their own thing where you can then update
them, correct them, add to them, after you've published the
episode, which could be really important for many people, like
if they have maybe a baked in AD, that they have a chapter
display during that ad with the link. Well, then when maybe
their sponsorship with that ends, maybe they're allowed to
change that link to their affiliate. So continue earning
money. You know, someone sent me someone sent me a was back and
forth on Twitter, and they said, Hey, I can't get your chapters
to work in antenna pod. I'm like, Okay, well, does antenna
pod support chapter said, Yeah, look, here's, here's the Fox
News Sunday podcast. And there's the chapters. And like, this is
weird. And so I go take a look at the RSS feed. And they're
using the pod love simple chapters namespace. Yeah. What
is this? You didn't know about that? No. Maybe? I forgotten
about it, maybe? Well, the pod left spec. It was a chapter spec
that goes in the feed. And so it's just a it's basically the
chapters are defined in the XML.
Yes, we Yeah, we looked at that at the beginning. And the reason
that we ended up moving it into its own JSON file,
it gets sideloaded is because is for a couple of reasons. You can
you number one, you can take all that stuff out of the feed, so
that the feed itself is not so large, right, which is what we
like, right? Well, if you imagine if you're a host, and
you have 100,000 podcast, yeah, if every for every kilobyte that
you add to the feed, I mean, you're jacking you're hosting
your CDN fees way up. So that that was number one. They also
don't have a very rich, it's just a start time title. And
that's it. Yeah. And so and then, as you and then when you
move it, also, when you move it to the outside, you can change
the chapters file without having to regenerate the feed. So you
don't invalidate the cash on the feed. Just by editing something
in the chapter file. Who's talking about there's a lot of
wind Sure, who's talking to pod love.
pod love is part of our mastodon stuff like a couple guys. Right.
But are they doing other cloud chapters?
Yeah, they're, they're, they're doing a lot of peer to peer 2.0
features. Okay, well, because it doesn't show up in this in this
feed. Well, because that's that's just that was just their
spec. Anybody could implement the potluck. Sorry, of course. I
gotcha. Oh, my gosh. So this is Omni Omni.
What are they? Why don't they just support JSON chapters?
Exactly. Exactly. They they obviously know how to do data
space, they understand the namespace they're invested in
chapters is do what seems like a simple simple adaptation as the
Omni here, are they are they here?
I don't think so. Because Because ami you're talking about
the hosting company. Yeah. Students in Australia. And
someone died in Australia. So they locked down the country
ago. Yeah, that's right. The horse suckers.
The that's that's another thing that has been impossible to keep
track of at this conference is knowing who owns who. I mean,
like literally, the only way I can survive is by looking at
this. This pod scape
chart. This shows you who all who owns who, because I would be
saying something like, Oh yeah, well, this host or this, you
know, company. And they were like, Oh, well, that's really
just that's, that's really Vox Nast because they own this, who
owns this? Who owns this? And I'm like, Oh my god, what is
this chart? You're talking about? The pod scape? Yeah,
Magellan AI puts out this thing through sounds profitable called
the 2021 pod scape. And it just, it's, it's like a list of, of
it's a it's a big chart of who owns who and podcasting. And
it's quite entertaining to look at. Okay, let's just call this.
Oh, it's like it's almost like one of those mainstream media
charts. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, you know, ABC. Disney owns
ABC who's right?
I see that Yeah. Oh my goodness was a bunch of wherever it
wherever they're in the right under independent apps and web
players
just just put a big l on losers over here. Losers over there
stand to the right that's the that's the not cool kids table
sit over there in that little box. Interesting on honored to
be in the losers Yeah, yeah yeah we'll share our lunch with each
other We don't need that we don't need the Mean Girls. Also
somebody who I didn't see here is anchor Spotify, none of that.
No Spotify presence that's interesting. I don't guess they
do they ever participate. They have in the past. Yeah, but they
weren't here this time. I don't know why maybe COVID concerns
again. So what's the what's the learning? what's the takeaway
from podcast movement?
my takeaway is that everybody that I thought was cool, is
actually cool. And everybody that did, I thought was forward
thinking actually is, and it helps to actually get to sit
down with them in person and work some stuff out. And then
also, there's a lot of people.
There's a lot of people that if you can just spend five minutes
with them, and get in Talk, talk things out. It's a whole lot
more effective than trying to just send cold emails and stuff.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. The the not the face, the FaceTime, yes. But
sort of like, getting to have quick interactions and explain
things and show like flip your phone around and show them
something. It's like, it makes a big difference. Daniel, how
about you?
I've just loved being here, because it's been a while since
being around other people, of course, and just being around
other podcasters. And after going through a lot of personal
stuff in my life, just being around a supportive community is
really good. So what I'm getting out of this most is just being
encouragement, the camaraderie in podcasting. Yeah. Which is,
which is how it felt in the beginning as well. I'm sure many
times I haven't been to all that any I stopped going at a certain
point.
But there's always camaraderie. It's always nice to see familiar
faces, how people are progressing, and also how things
haven't changed. It is comforting in a weird way.
Yeah, I mean, you
one thing I want to bring up those you were going to talk
last week about Spotify earnings. Did you get Do you
have any of that? Or do you want to? You know, I that next week?
Yeah, we'll probably do a dug into it. Yeah, I did. We'll
probably do it next week. But
the reporting, the way I would report the story is very
differently from the way it showed up. But I think we kind
of knew that from the way the headlines were crafted. But I'd
say it's, you know, the more I, the more I saw the TLDR. And I
didn't talk too long I didn't read is we have a lot of power.
And just because Spotify can buy some people, it's it's almost
irrelevant. It's like, here's one that we'll talk about next
week. But I was just watching Glenn Greenwald. I'm a big fan
of fan of Glenn Greenwald. I like like what he's doing. And I
always like what he's done.
And so now, you know, he's, he has, he's really left the
intercept, which he started,
which was kind of his first venture into, I can show you how
to do it better. And he wound up leaving his own his own
publication, because they wouldn't publish a piece of his
for whatever reason, which I think was purely political. And
that's the inference. So now he's starting his own network of
people on substack. And I think that will do podcast as well.
And, and I said to Tina, and I know, she didn't quite get what
I was driving at. But it's like, Why? Why do people who are
really good at what they do? Why do they think they need to now
build a network? And Tim Poole is doing this, why does Tim
Poole need to have a network? It's, it's, it's like, I don't
have a headache. Please give me a migraine on a daily basis.
It's really odd. It's, you know, it's and that goes for all
podcasters. I've never seen a real benefit come out of a
network, what I've seen is a great benefit to doing as much
yourself as you possibly can, and networking, and if
appropriate, appearing on other podcasts. And, you know, that's
a great way that is, in my mind the way when another podcast
talks about me, that whole audience is exposed to one click
away from me. That's that's how it should be working. And this
was there a lot of network talk was because that I've seen that
at many of these conferences and join our network, and we'll help
you monetize. Was there any of that going on?
There's a little bit yeah, like, there's a women's Podcast
Network and a couple others who are, who say they have podcast
networks and I used to run a podcast network and I always
tell people, my friends
Advice for starting a podcast network is don't Yeah, my second
advice is don't do it unless you're ready to run a business.
And my third advice is make sure everything on the network makes
sense to be associated with each other. Because that's where you
get the benefits of the podcast network. Like you look at
something like, what's the real benefit? But what's the real
benefit? Daniel, what is the benefit to be on a network? The
biggest benefit really monetizing? Well, let's take
podcasting 2.9. That's a bad example. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I
interrupted you what is the benefit? It's in cross promoting
similar podcasts, sharing audiences and having the
leverage of a much bigger community, which you can get
when your podcasts are very similar, like look at horse
radio network, where all of the podcasts are about horses. So if
one person listens to one podcast from that network, and
that podcast is saying, check out this other podcast from the
network, because it's also about horses, but this is their take,
or this is their approach to this, then that helps grow the
network grow the community. There are but how does how does
the network? How does the network make money from that?
Yeah, the network making money? That's where it does become more
difficult, because I know you say, you can't monetize the
network. Yeah, you. It's very difficult. It is possible, but
it's difficult. And it's it's best if all of your podcasts are
similar, because then using the horse radio network, for
example, if you have a sponsor who has horse products, you can
say, hey, instead of getting on this one podcast, how about we
put you on these 30 podcasts we have that are all about horses
all have your ideal audience. And even if the same person is
listening to all 30 of your podcasts, then they'll hear your
ad spot 30 times instead of just once on one pot, ad spot. Okay,
there it is. But you could just buy ads on those other on those
other podcasts. I, I understand what you're saying. I think it
doesn't, you don't need to have a network because the network is
what makes it different. complicated. The network then
has overhead, the network has to do
no centralized functions, the network has to schedule promos.
And then in here's where it that's where it always starts to
go wrong. It's like well, you know, I didn't hear my promo on
the number one podcast on the network this week. Why not? Why
is the why is that person? Well, it's not your turn. Okay. But I
got some special this week. And I'd like okay, we'll do a
special thing for you. Hey, how come we got to jump the line?
And by the way, I'm not seeing as many ads as the other podcast
over here. The other bigger audience? Yes. Because you're
promoting him more. I mean, I've heard this so many times.
So I guess that's just a personal thing. I'm thinking
about like, networks just don't make any make sense anymore. And
I'm seeing people make, I think the same mistake over and over
again, join a network, why I can understand a group of people who
want to get together and share ideas. So if you have a women's
interest group, and they're in there, but you know, I don't
think you have to have a landing page. You know, whose top left
whose top right, I've heard it all. It's anyway. Yeah, that's
back to maybe. Oh, and pause? Yes, yes. Yeah, I have the
scars, man.
I'm trying to stop people from hurting themselves.
Like we were talking about spot, you know, like Spotify brought,
brought that whole thing up. And one of the things that I heard,
you know, multiple times here so far from people is spot is this
sort of
feeling that what's happening is Spotify is that the broad
monetization is not working. And of like, taking, let's just say,
2 million shows or whatever they have, to me in podcast, and
abroad, monetization, quote, unquote, thing is not, it's just
not panning out. So people are looking for looking for YouTube
money that, you know, I got a couple bucks here, a couple
bucks there because someone stumbled onto an algo and click
my video for 15 seconds in the hole. And only because it's not
really working in the volumes that you would think back when
they started pouring money into it is that the end result is
that Joe Rogan color Daddy, all these like these top sort of top
five top three shows where you get all the ads, they get
everything. Again, they get the whole, they get the whole kit
and caboodle. They get 98% of it and the left and the remaining
2% is left to be spread out over a million and a half other shows
what I'm hearing and I'd love to next time you have a chance to
ask you kids, but I think I currently know what they'll say.
It's like all the kids that I know. And when I say kids, you
know that's relative to my age. Yeah, but the Instagram sucks on
Instagram. Spotify sucks and it stuck. And one of the main
reasons there's two reasons one, I paid for premium and I still
hear ads. A lot of people as proof especially with Rogan or
And the second thing is, they rip off artists, and they're
going to rip off podcasters, too.
I hear a lot of that.
And we know from clips that you brought to the show that they,
they find it they, and this is the arrogance of it like, Well,
you know, you're a musician, you should be lucky that you're just
able to travel through our pipes, the fact that you think
you deserve to be paid anything is crazy. That was their thing.
Like we're giving you exposure.
I'm not sure who ever I'm not sure who thought that whole
thing through that. And I mean, specifically, who was it that
brought that brought this idea forward? Let's, let's get Rogan.
And he'll be the cash cow. But we're still going to put the ads
into for even for premium, Premium subscribers, they're
gonna get no ads anywhere else. But if they want to listen to
Rogen, they get ads, like, how did they? How do you bring that
idea to fruition and not think it's going to alienate people
and make people irritated, I think I can help a little bit
with that. They know, you have to go back to the roots of
Spotify. Spotify started as a peer to peer music sharing
system. And they grew really fast. And you know, if you
recall, Vimeo, you had a cache on your drive. And that was your
Spotify music that you were in essence, the minute you fire up
your computer, you were sharing with everybody else. And they
really prided themselves on, you know how fast the music would
come in, you could play it in real time, you could start to
stream it. And they got so big, they were kind of off the radar
being from Sweden. And then they had to pay the piper. And so
then they had to either go legit, and start paying. And
that's when we had all these statutory fees or re
renegotiated in Congress. And we went through years of that. And
then even music before 1974 was chopped off, because the reverse
satellite radio guys had their cost overhead and was a big, it
was a big
cattle trading thing, basically. And they wound up with record
companies owning a majority of their of their shares of their
public shares to the record companies, they were making
money in two ways they were getting it in, in streaming fees
if it wasn't going to the artists, but publishing and also
in the ads. So they are incentivized to have the ads
going all the time. So they're their DNA is not a media
company, or a music company. Their DNA is a technology
company that shoves stuff through pipes and makes it work
really fast. And they're and now they're bolting on things with
that same mentality like, Well, you know, we're gonna give you
Rogan, and they don't even I don't think they really
understand you're in somewhere within the cone in the company,
there's knowledge about ads, and how people respond to them. But
I don't think they don't really care. Like, we're all things
audio, we're gonna do audio books, we're gonna do everything
you come to us. We're an audio company. And that's what's not
so apparent from the numbers either, that they can pivot from
being just a music as subscription app to an audio
company that and that's going to take more than significantly
more, I think, than Joe Rogan. And the Obamas. And whatever
else they've got going on.
Okay, well, I mean, I guess that makes sense. We have to ask the
the podcast insights, man.
I am working on tracking Spotify numbers, but knowing that anchor
is, I think, more automatically submitting to Spotify, then to
Apple podcasts. And it seems like that has stopped by the way
the auto publishing to Apple podcast has already stopped. I
think so because something happened on June when when you
say auto publishing, what do you mean exactly? What's when you
sign up for anchor? There's this.
You're just spilled a bunch of water.
But that when you sign up for water, that was just your water?
Yeah, yeah. Dave Jackson just walked in the door and saved his
life in front of me.
So when you sign up for anchor, it gives you this option. That's
basically like saying, hey, do you want to publish
automatically to Apple podcasts? And we'll do it for you. Right?
Yes. But what is what does that mean? published? That means they
go through the submission process or, or what is that?
Exactly? So my theory is that anchor has all this time and
iTunes site manager, which is a special thing that big networks
get, and it allows you to submit podcast, Apple podcast and
bypass the apple podcasts approval process. Okay, but
someone has to submit it and I think you can even work good.
It's shut down now. But I think you could upload a CSV of all of
these podcast feeds and just bulk upload them maybe. Okay, so
am I creating a new entry for Apple not every single time you
publish that it's pinging apple or anything like that. Right,
right. Yeah. So my theory was that anchor was using their own
Apple account through the site manager to
Publish feeds from anchor into Apple podcasts, which meant that
anchor then owned the listing in Apple podcasts. And that's why
it would take anchor users so long to get an apple podcast
because I think it was, I'm guessing it was maybe just one
or two people who would make that manual submission process.
But Apple announced and I've had site manager to from my own
network that used to run, Apple announced that they would shut
down site manager back in May, they would be shutting it down,
and everything would transfer over to the new podcast Connect
mine transferred in May. But if anchor was using site manager,
that means they would have more than 1 million podcasts and
their site manager account. And so I could understand that might
take longer for them to transition over. So looking at
the data that I have on podcast, industry insights comm I saw
something change on June 29. Two things changed. One is podcast,
new podcasts were being launched, accepted onto Apple
podcasts on the weekends. That didn't happen before June 29.
There'd be like a few under a dozen per weekend. Now it's
hundreds or even a couple 1000 on the weekends being added,
which tells me one thing, it's probably now a much more
automated process to get your podcast in the apple podcasts
like no human is curating it. Well, that is a big change for
Apple. Yeah. And my suspicion there is that's because they now
have communist level control over
on a second hold on.
Now, as the French say, it is time for loose. That's right,
man. He's out the commie word got to bring in the socialists,
beautiful, beautiful one step removed. Well, the way I view it
is just cursory experience smelling around. The Apple
podcast app is out, you know, everyone, and it's the creators
that have done this, of course, like, hey, my podcast hasn't
shown up in a day, that it's been two hours. So I'm just on
Twitter, go in new podcast apps calm and take it there. Look
into at over here, it's over there.
And that's been a real problem. And I mean, Dan, you know, the
sophistication in general people like, Hey, man, how can we
didn't upload it to Apple podcast, you know, that's how
many listeners think we've been, I've been evangelizing as much
as I can pod pain. And I'm gonna evangelize Dave Jackson, as fast
as I can, as soon as we finish the show, to get Lipson to do
pod bean, because they don't do web sub either. And it takes me
forever to pull their feeds. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna call
James Boggs, his replacement to we know, I mean, he's been there
a long time. So he's, you know, he would, as much as it pains
me, it would be really good. If Apple did that. It would help a
lot. And it would also, you know, bring them a little bit
closer to what we're doing. There's got to be some level of
team left that is just cleaning up the bits and bobs of of the
destruction left behind for quote, unquote, open podcasting.
I mean, there's got to be this has got they've got to want to
do something with it. And he would hope that 99.999% of
podcasting, yeah, so I mean, like, he really if you're not I
mean, this you're not doing podcasting. You're doing some
something else. So on that any any podcast apps who had a
presence there, I mean, really, it was Marco there for an
example or is it any, any any apps promoting their wares? Not
only apps, so are the ones that were connected to, to other
services like stitcher and those guys. I mean, like, there was no
independent apps that I saw other than pod verse match with
Mitch was right. Yeah, certainly no vendors with booths, right?
Yeah, there are some that have their own apps, maybe for their
network and such. But I think Yeah, Stitcher was probably is
probably the only consumption app. Okay. So here's, here's
what I think next year, and we're gonna save our satoshis
we're gonna stack our SATs for this next year, we're gonna have
maybe we can work on something with some friendly companies who
have a presence there and already on board, we should have
the new podcast apps booth.
And we'll be handing out wallets. Get Your FREE wallet
right here. And while he throws QR codes, you bet baby we'll
throw some stats in there for you to get going. We're just
gonna be we're gonna have the booth babes and boys.
Yeah, we're gonna have hot boys and hot girls walking around.
Yeah, of course. This is this is a show where we used to have pot
the podcast pickle guy. I mean, this is podcasting. Dammit.
Well, now the Bitcoin pickle, by the way. Yeah, I know. I know.
Gary. Gary Leland is now the Bitcoin pickle. I know.
We have business cards with QR codes for loading your wallet
with that. We have that or we should have no I mean, we should
do that. Right. I mean, it's not like it's not like 10 cents a
thing. Like it's random. You
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Good. So we got Well, okay, so the weekly guys we got Jeff.
Joel rangs. Mo London Hall. I think you pronounce his name
that way. 100 bucks. Thank you. Yeah. And he says Keep up the
great work. Simple note. Does he get a T shirt? Are we still
sending out t shirts? Yeah, he gets a T shirt. Oh, excellent.
He just got he's gonna he's gonna email me. Yeah. Yeah.
He emails me then I email Eric. Then Eric puts on a spreadsheet.
Then it goes then he ships out. It's the most efficient thing
you could ever works. Yeah. Brent Weaver gave us $33.33 he
says thank you for your courage. Adam and Dave Keep up the great
work boost.
Colton Erickson gave us $10 and no note. I was saddened to see
that there was no note for Colton.
Okay, my monthly donors that hit this week was later and we tried
to do this and in order. Cameron Rose $25 Cameron's been donating
to us forever. Cameron has to be like a T shirt level now. I
mean, it must be. So Cameron, you gotta get an email.
Let's see. David mitas Have Fun Fact Friday podcast. He gave us
$10 Oh, thank you, David. I'm helping him get hooked up with
Elon sieloff for his Oh for his messages for his booster grams.
Yes, we do booster grams. Yeah. Oh my god. Jennifer Maher says
calm just walked in the doors like a whole floor. No. No army
here.
So we got banned from RSS. We got Dave Jackson. Ah, all right.
It's like a lot going on there in the Daniel J. Lewis suite.
Yes. Is the podcasting 2.0 room now? Yeah, it is clearly Nice.
Yeah, the band's wareness podcasts and tupuna certifies
shirt.
Scott Jalbert gave us 12 bucks is that max burn on the on the
mastodon? Oh, yes, I know. Max burn Of course. Yeah. Greg
Thomas gave us $5 Thank you. I mean, you gave us $5 and Mark
Graham gave us $1
Okay, booster grams. And this might get a little weird because
I could not like some of these booster grants are long. Oh,
read right. Now you just used to read them off the email he
ordered, which I'm gonna try. Okay, I'm gonna try and I'm
gonna make a horrible mess out of it. Because I'm gonna have to
sit here and try to find them in my email. But
let's try to do this. I'm just gonna go. I might have I might
have most of them. I think you got you got so salon omics? Yes.
So nomics. That is, let me see. Hi. Hi, guys. Yeah, enjoying
your contributions to the future of podcasting and unsensible
infotainment, and this is a notice the bug on the breeze app
and Android the podcasting 2.0 show always seems to end
violently
that's how that's that's awesome man harshly, harshly cutting off
the outro I know Adam is pretty anal with these things. So I
thought it best I would let you know by sending a test message
using Curio caster. Well, thank you. That's a great way to let
us know. I'm not sure what's going on. It does does breeze go
to the next episode. I got no idea. I'm not sure what the
violence is. Yeah, I mean, when you say violent violently, the
the show ends violently. But that's not a bug, right? It's a
feature. Well, maybe you can record it and let me know
exactly what you're hearing because it should end pretty
much like
it's violence against microphones. Microphone.
We need audio. Then we go to a bug. Let me see. Yes. I got I
got this. Steven Bay as well. Steven Bay didn't send any
messages. He were just sending boost by like a few boost tests
and I just want to give them credit because oh, that's 1007
at a time, yeah. Scott, Max burn. He says in his 3166 ads
and he says, as I'm listening in the wrong app, my monthly pay
pal hit yes. He said, he sent me a picture of that. So he's
listening. I think it was maybe the apple podcast app and up
pops his monthly donation from a
while he's listening is like, Oh, I'm in the wrong app. I've
gotta go I gotta go boost. Very cool. Thanks God yet, but but
you can't take them back. Scott, you can't suck them back out.
It's it's fair game. Kiran. Now, I'm gonna have to read. I'm
gonna have to read Karen's notes next week is booster grams,
Lizzie cinema and I can't decode them out of the TLV yet, because
we missed some for the week. So like that, you know that the
node certificate expired? Oh, yeah. Yeah, so we've missed
like, yeah, we missed like a week of TF to have a whole week
in Polish. Yeah. So I had to go back and find them. And I found
them. But I haven't decoded him yet. So but but I want to give
him credit cuz he sends like two. He said, 250 1000 set and
booster grams to my goodness, is a high roller pack, but I gotta
I gotta go get his messages next week. So he gets double credit
because we screwed up. Yeah. And he and he said my stuff. But
then Jeff, sent us 4040 sets. And he said weekly contribution
to Dave's studio furnishing fund pest. pest is blank is
but I have to have to
have two things to say about that. That is enough SAS to
wrote to to buy like two rolls of duct tape. So that's that
perfectly covers my needs. Not just that you can fix your
transmission with duct tape. Yeah, that also blankets, those
are not blankets. Those are beach towels.
Every clear clearly are better at audio absorption than
blankets. They, they do very well.
It's the way we do it in Alabama.
cow, cow a bear send us 50,050 SATs. I didn't see those booster
grab messages. That's odd. You didn't know. Kyle sent us that.
And it was a while back? I think it was right after the last
show. And I'm going to struggle to find is no. And also, are we
still doing the time code links or the that was just a test or
one time that worked? No, it should be in there. This is not
in there. I don't think so. In the most recent one. Let me see.
Yeah.
No, it shouldn't be any. No, no, no. I have the time here. Like
the first one. Salah nomics, 10 seconds.
But I don't have I don't have a link.
Let me see. Let me see if I can find it on my phone. Because
that's okay. It's just a bug probably. Well, I'll say I'm
trying to find Kyle's message. And I can't find his
his booster Gran. Because it was so nice. Pleasant read this
morning. On Monday. Maybe I can find it real quick. The problem
is I don't have I don't have a printer at podcast movement.
Right. And so I can't do my normal what I have his will this
is from July 22. So that's old 50,050 cent houses I would have
no no, I got five sets. Maybe I can look at this is a riveting
podcast.
Anyway, do we get everybody now? Do we get everybody we needed to
get? No we got more people. Okay. Um, I'm doing. I'm
multitasking. You know, we get more people. We got Dred Scott.
And I want to say
we were mocking Dred Scott's profile picture. Yeah. Last
week, no mocking what he what he actually looks like, well, then
he's really ugly. That's okay. I'm still like him. It's just
he's still a boy. It's not gonna change anything. It's just you
know, we got to warn the women folk next time they look at his
profile picture.
Okay. Dred Scott gave us 20,133 says and I'm not going to spend
10 minutes trying to find his email. I'm just going to read it
next week.
Chad Farrow,
the the of Twitter retweeted. Oh, yes, yes, yes. Yes. Chad.
Chad F. Yeah. 333 SATs. Wow. Nice. boosting for the real
Dave. I'm not sure who the fake Dave is but Oh, I know. It's
water.
Oh, but if you if you had the timestamp, it will go straight
to that bit in the podcast. That is so cool. Man. We like when
did this person hit that boost button. Oh, right there. Okay,
got it. Alright, that's the group. That's a group very nice,
but I don't have it. I'm going to walk up my hardscape Magellan
thing exists as I got. Excellent. All right.
So when you go back, Dave tomorrow, you start driving
back. Now we're heading out tonight. Oh, okay, we gotta we
gotta we gotta Boogie. Gotta Boogie. Okay, Daniel, How about
yourself? You stay in through the to the weekend or what's
your schedule? staying until Saturday morning? Yeah. Nice.
Nice line, though, right? driving, and only four hours
away. I'm from Cincinnati, so it's only four hours away. Have
a drive. Okay, where are you? Where are you from Dave? at
about
seven hours in you. And you're you're from Austin. So yeah.
Yeah, okay. Yeah. So we Yeah. Is there a mass exodus here? Well,
this, this sounded a heck of a lot better than I thought I
would, you know, I've done shows when someone was on the other
end of the conference. And this was just like, like, you guys.
Were here. Like, I was actually more like I was there. In the
hotel room. If you could see the octopus Hydra of wires that are
on this table. I posted it on podcast index. Y'all Hold on.
All right. I want to take a look at that. Then on Monday. I
mentioned to you both on it. So you might as well do that before
you leave. Hold on a second. I want to see that.
Good. So what is the headline? What is the press write about
podcast movement? What?
What will they say? Oh my goodness.
Yeah, I've had many spreader spreader event. The only 21 soup
Okay. Yes. Soup. Yeah, that's all we need to wait for is how
many podcasters went down after the super spreader event? Yeah,
and the New York Times is going to track their cell phone usage
somehow to figure out where they went is gonna be like this, you
know, this octopus that goes all over the country to take to take
the Delta back.
Alright, that'll have to do it for podcasting. 2.0 for this
week, Daniel J. Lewis, where do you want people to find more
about you? What's the best way to go? I am on most social
networks as the Daniel J. Lewis. And then you can get to my
product services and everything I do with podcasting at the
audacity to podcast.com. We've also got an API to your new API.
Yeah, for podcasts, industry insights, the API that can give
you some deeper insights on what's out there in podcasting.
And there's a huge blip that I discovered today that I can't, I
probably shouldn't comment on, because I need to dig into the
data to see what's going on. But yeah, you can, for getting
insights from the data is what I do with podcasts and industry
and strike. It's not trying to be a pod chaser, another podcast
index or something. But learning from it and getting a better
idea of what's actually out there. What does the podcast
landscape look like? When you get a pimp all your stuff? Not
just what kind of what kind of data can I get from that?
Daniel? I mean, so great. Now, if you go to podcast industry,
insights.com. And right now, I'm focusing primarily on the data I
get from Apple podcasts. Or if you go to the Apple podcast tab,
you can see how many podcasts or an apple pie if you're looking
at this on Friday, August 6, there is something weird going
on that I need to investigate, but so you can see how many
podcasts are and this is only an apple podcast right now. I'm
counting them and then seeing how many of them are active. How
many have published an episode, I asked a breakdown on some of
the inside stuff for the insiders? How many podcasts are
in different genres? Or you could do something like get
notified of every new podcast added to the system? Whoa, I see
what you mean by something going on. Yeah, to just tease it, in
that according to the data now, this could just be because Apple
broke something today. No, I think I
think Apple burned down, man. I think their offices are on fire.
What the heck is that? It looks like half of the podcast were
removed from Apple podcast. So I'm going to dig into that and
figure out did this really happen? Wow, it's not beyond the
realm of possibility. If anchor that could be just all anchor
shows, well also radically, what is this? If I look down below
here, I see 1 million podcasts removed in the previous day.
Right? That's what I'm talking about. I need to figure out what
happens. Sometimes, Apple's website has problems. If their
data has problems, then it might show up as a removal on my
system. But if if they did truly remove 1.1 million podcasts,
that's going to be a news story. So I need to put up holy crap.
We're investigating this podcast industry insights, calm,
everybody. That's that chart is fun, fun to look at.
All right, gentlemen. travelsafe. Say hi to Dave
Jackson, for me Say hi to who else came in? Who else that we
have in Benjamin Richard. Ben Richardson. All right. Say hi to
everybody. And thank you all for flying the flag, their podcast
movement, and we'll do another board meeting next week. All
right. I got a pleasure. All right. That's it.
For us go to podcast. index.org. We'll be back next week for
another board meeting of podcasting 2.0
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