podcasting 2.0 for August 20 2021, Episode 51 preserve
protect and extend. That's right Batman. Hello everybody time
once again for your weekly board meeting of podcasting. 2.0.
everything happening in podcasts index.org podcast index dot
social. I'm Adam curry in the heart of Hill Country, Texas. In
Alabama. He's a foenum in the art of first in first out my
friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Dave Jones.
It's not listed being weak. It's booster gram month. Yeah, it's
off the chain. Man. There was a stolen booster grams everywhere.
We had some kind of breakthrough man. Like, all of a sudden,
podcasting got super fun. Yeah, did. Like, wow, it works. One
little loop. If you're brand new to the board meeting, now we're
talking about the booster grams, which now allow you to send a
payment with a message to the podcaster of your choosing while
listening. Or if you want to the entire team. or to any of the
individuals. You could even say hey, great app and boost the app
developer. And it's and they for me, they come in on email, you
set that up. I love I love that. The first thing I look at in the
morning. Look at it. Yeah, sure. The booster grams is fantastic.
Yeah, I'm wondering how people are going to be like, what
people are doing right now for their own node. Like? And I'm
wondering how people are getting those booster grams off their
node? Because we I mean, there's a couple of scripts. I've got
one out there and john cigi written Python script that will
pull stuff.
Oh, I gotta put that in the show notes. send that to me. And I'll
put it in the show. Is that on the GitHub?
Yeah, it's called the extract to V is the name of the repo. So
but I don't know the name is using it. So like, like Dave
Jackson, for instance. I'm not I don't think he can even get his
booster grams out of there.
Now he does have his he has his own node, right?
Yeah, he's got a voltage node.
And we have to stop right here. And just say, holy crap, Dave
Jackson. History is rhyming history is rhyming, like hip
hop.
And I've got clips. I've got clips, the Dave,
Dave Jackson shout now i i don't remember exactly, because there
was a lot of people and a lot of things happening. But I believe
Dave Jackson started the School of podcasting pretty early on.
And he and you know, it's he's one of these people like we have
so many in the podcasting. 2.0 beard combs community. You know,
we got Christopher ice, who's, you know, is a feed Finder. The
sweetest tricolor the sweetest tricolor? Exactly. We you know,
but of course, all of our app developers, we've got all these
these specialized little things. And when it comes to teaching
people how to do it, I think Dave was the Oji. From what I
can remember, it was School of podcasting, but he was he was,
he was he's just that kind of guy. And so for him to jump in
and say, all right, what is it called? What is leading the
bleeding? Yeah, leading the bleeding. The first
great show name, though.
Yeah. first episode. What is this a Toshi? Yeah, that's
fantastic.
I think it's great. It's a good show, Good show name. And he
couldn't stop teaching, even in that first episode. I mean, he
was still like, he just was going on Bitcoin, these just
swerves into you know, a podcaster you know, don't do
this or your shows gonna suck.
Well, but that was also it's so reminiscent of podcasting. 1.0
and, you know, we'd all be swerving. We didn't know what we
know. We knew but when Yeah, we go all over the place. And we
talked about at the time, and distill comes back in any any
scholastic work about podcasting, but certainly the
consultants in podcasting will say, well, you have to be
passionate. Yes, there was a lot of you know, what to do. What
wasn't, you know, how do you do a show? There was a lot of that
and in addition to you know, hosting and all that stuff and
comments is in many ways the same but you know, with some
added this added bits in here, which is just fantastic.
I want to talk about that for a second because I'd dug into
this. Let me see if I can find this paper that Spotify
released. I think Curlin is the one that linked it at first.
It's it's called Spotify language for listener
engagement. Oh, yes. I did see the posting. I did not read it.
Modeling Language usage and listener engagement in podcast
now. I will tell you, yeah. This is the most boring thing I have.
I've read in a long time. It is in credibly draw, but I read the
entire thing for you.
Oh, thank you. So I don't have to beautiful. Yes, I did it for
you. What did what did we learn Dave Jones.
I just had this feeling there might be some interesting things
in here. I'm on a hunch. And so we learn to see here's, here's
the here's the nitty gritty on this thing. It's on page.
Something. It says. So here's, here's sort of their, like, fine
findings, okay. It says was the number one, the correlation
between ads and engagement is mixed. Large amounts of ads and
transcripts are associated with lower engagement in all, but the
bottom popular popularity, or quarto, whatever that means.
It's a quarter
25 bottom 25%. Okay.
All right. ads in descriptions, on the other hand, do not hurt
engagement on the whole and in fact, are associated with higher
engagement in the top quartile. Yeah, yeah. So the couple of
things on that adds in chapter links. Hello. Makes make sense.
Yeah. Totally. Especially for PCI stuff, like per inquiry.
Like, you know, where people say use this code, you can say, just
tap on the link because it includes the code in the in the
URL.
Yeah, I mean, so if the ads and descriptions don't hurt, and the
ABS ads in the audio do hurt. Well, then, you know, this is
perfect. And then you get you don't have to even you don't
even have to do what were they called coupon codes. Yeah,
exactly. The link. Yeah. Just you just tap it right there.
Kaboom. Yep.
So that was the first thing.
Okay, solve. Okay. Okay, so Spotify, how can we fix them
next?
This was this was like, This looks like a very intense
research project that somebody get paid lots of money for. And
we just saw this in about a minute and a half, was Deloitte,
Deloitte, Deloitte. These are some hardcore computer science
geeks. They use words that I had to look up. Oh, goodness. The
here okay. So here's, here's two things that I thought were
interesting. And I'll tell you why. high engagement podcasts
are less likely to contain interjection and swearing. And
high engagement, podcast creators tend to speak
relatively fast. Okay, so the high engagement podcasters are
less likely to contain interjections wearing, what
does, what does engagement mean? engagement search surely means
people buying something, what does it mean commenting where,
you know, what does hiring I just this is my problem with the
term
the engagement is
their definition in this paper,
there is a definition Ah, and it is something that I probably
highlighted, but I cannot find it. So sorry, says many. Now, I
don't know. If you can't tell me Oh, here it is. Oh, no, no, no,
that's it, I got that I got it. The stream rate, the CR metric
of engagement is stream rate, which we define as the
proportion of first time listeners who listened for at
least five minutes. That's their, that's their definition
of engagement. So it says where a listeners decision to continue
listening for as long as five minutes is likely to be
influenced by the content, therefore its engagement. Does
that is that anything like what you would consider engagement?
Well, so what I'm hearing them say is if you if someone a new
listener, so not a current listener, but a new listener,
listens for five minutes, then engagement is a metric of uptake
and growth of the podcast.
That may Yeah, the not not
of people hearing or of the advertising being effective, or
of people engaging with the brand or advertising content.
It's new people it does that sound right to you?
I think so because they specifically say that it cares.
It says large amount. Large amounts of ads, and transcripts
are associated with lower engagement in all but the bottom
popularity quarter. While this may be explained by the fact
that many listeners skip ads in the audio stream, the effect is
strong enough to indicate the ads seem to hurt engagement.
Even though surveys report that most listeners don't mind the
ads. I've always
I'm glad we read that because that means when I hear other
podcasts or read about engagement, I did not have that
in mind as the definition so it's, it's for growth of your
podcast. How many people go like oh, okay, I'm listening. You
could you could do it. Engagement per episode. I guess.
That's okay, too. But, but all right. So is this about this all
very gross? Is this about advertising? Or is it about
growing your show? As as I've heard said so often,
by the way, do you want to know how many lists? Do you want to
know how many listeners we have? How do you know? I don't I was
just kidding.
That's good. You don't know. challenge any statistic you
throw at me, Dave Jones? Well,
I don't even have a number. I
have no clue. Well, this. This actually brings up a good point.
A few weeks ago, you wrote a blog post? Which What was it
called?
Oh, the blog. The it's time to drop the egos and address the IP
addresses? Yeah,
yeah, exactly. And, and you wrote this, and you sent to Tina
did or Tina wash? we all looked at it. We all thought it was
great, that you held back for a week, and then you posted it.
And it was like there wasn't a lot of uptake. But I believe it
was a very great influence on Brian Barletta has IP addresses
story.
Yeah, thanks. And we're in May. So I worked with Dan Benjamin,
for quite a few months, back and forth, to come up with the
framework for all that, in, you know, he had this initial idea.
And we just kept refining it and refining it down. And then
Cridland gave us some critical feedback about three weeks ago.
So then we added one more one last piece, to get sort of over
the hump. And then, and then we published it. And so me and Dan
are going to be on the sales profitable show, I think next
week, next Wednesday. Ah, good. Good.
Because, you know, I saw that you had several solutions. And I
think that we don't have to get into into great depth about it.
Because if you're gonna do that with the unpopular, or that
sounds profitable, I definitely want you to do it there. But it
seems like there's, you know, a solution that you offered a
technical solution that could be implement implemented on the app
side. And then there was the one that I favor, of course, which
is the actual listening statistics, even if you're
sending one set per minute or even pretend, or per five
minutes to assure continued engagement.
Mm hmm. Yeah. See that? I mean, that's clearly the one I prefer
as well, because then you have, then you have actual numbers,
and they're protected stats are protected the listener privacy,
yeah, protected by the lightning network. And
we already have statistics, you know, statistically, I think we
have enough pod podcast apps and people that we could draw some
not maybe not for every podcast, we should be able to draw some
conclusions.
Well, this goes back to the to the whole thing that like this
keeps coming back up over and over again, when through
throughout all of podcasting. 2.0 so far, is this notion that
you can't the industry on the whole and this is why I thought
Barletta, his interview on pod land was really good.
Hold on. I have a clip. Ah, yeah.
Okay. Now,
I have a clip of his conclusion, which is what kind of saddened
me, but hopefully, you and I considered one straight is when
James asked him so what do you Brian Barletta gonna do about
the fact that Apple I think that's the main issue here.
Apple is going to start obfuscating IP addresses. So
tracking and the the ad a the podcast ad industry will hurt it
severely. This is pretty much the only way that things can be
tracked at all for some accountability. And there's an
entire industry built on it. And so his answer just made me sad.
So what are we going to do about it from our letter?
What are you going to do about it? Oh, God. I think I think I
grew up a little bit in this year. I think that it was very
fun to yell about all these things and to tell people about
all these things, and try and idealistically come at it. I
have not men, the biggest fan of the IAB. But the truth is that
they are the only one organizing everyone in this room. So I have
joined the tech lab, and I've joined the audio committee, and
I'm going to talk to every single person I can't, I'm going
to reach out and continue to talk with Apple, Google,
Spotify, Amazon, and I'm going to advocate for all of them to
just come to the table and build a framework. We're past the
point of rad, you know, the listening spec that MKR created.
I think that we need to look at the core functionality. I think
we need to safeguard the base analytics of podcasting. We need
to acknowledge that as an industry we do still revolve
around RSS we find such value in the open nature of it. If IP
address wants to go away, I think every single person in
podcasting would raise their hand and supporter that if we do
not lose the metrics on the hosting and publisher side so
This is my invitation I will gladly play shepherd, I will
gladly play matchmaker and do whatever I have to do to get
everyone at the table to just figure out how we do this, and
maybe how we're the first industry in advertising to
abandon IP address ahead of the curve, show people how it's done
once again, wow, that will be fascinating. Where can we read
more of this, if we want to find out more? Yes, sounds
profitable.com. And you can find the newsletter, you can run the
podcast, you can find the product deep dives, where I go
over how all these different amazing ad tech products work.
And at the end of the day, I just want to say that ad tech in
podcasting is the entire technology stack, because every
aspect of it can help people advertise. So this is really
important advertising will survive. These core metrics are
critical to everybody just baked in ads, to not even doing ads to
doing Patreon or self funded or to just do for fun. So this is
critical to everybody. And I hope everybody gets involved.
So you're much closer to this than I am. But I just want to
make a couple remarks upfront. First of all, I love his energy
and that kind of energy, I want to focus it where it's
beneficial. podcasting, 2.0 is not mutually exclusive, with
advertising. And I think there's ways we can help. And then the
third thing, which is what I know, I know you as and let me
stop on the third thing. We've known each other for a long
time, Dave, and I always knew that if we did something
together that that took off, I knew it will be a lot of fun.
And it's really a lot of fun. I really love doing this shit with
you. Alright, so and three. This is the approach that has
resulted in nothing for over a decade. The approach is you have
an entire army of developers podcasters listeners who can
support any type of implementation that we come up
with and and these other guys, they will have to adapt to us.
But this is you're a little more eloquent in explaining that. Oh,
and then I guess three a Apple doesn't care about you.
Yeah, no, that I thought about three a, a couple of times.
Listening to that. I thought, oh, Nina, Apple doesn't care.
And they just really don't they just really don't. But I mean, I
guess I'd push back a little bit and say it's not really even a
push back. I guess I would say that. I mean, this is that's,
that's what we expect Brian to do. Right? That's, that's where
he's that's where? Oh, sure. Oh, sure. Honestly, you know, he's
living into and, and he's on that side, or that side of
things. And then we're on the graph, Neo sort of the fat the
the lower it near the grassroots, then we need to give
him ammunition when he goes into battle. Yeah, yeah, that's
exactly what I was thinking. That's great. To see. That's the
that's the better way to say that. Because we're a perfect
example is Dave Jackson. Launching a show about you know,
about value for value. Also Evo. Tara this week? Yep. Had a great
episode. And I got a clip of of Evo have an opinion. Is that the
clip? Yeah. When it comes to what app you prefer, you
recommend people utilize to enjoy your show. Just like that
server above. I think you as a podcaster should have an opinion
on which app someone should use, which are the best ones.
Yeah. Oh, before I forget,
here's your cue to boost you know, you want to
shit works people and send and send Evo boost his podcast on
pontifications broadcast is valued at two. And and once we
get that I saw you in the GitHub, once we get the episode
value blocks, we're going to be able to put that in right.
Yeah, yeah, we put that so excited. So we're like, that's
where I'm thinking about this is we are already and I say we I
mean podcasting. 2.0 as a movement is already pushing back
on these things. And like we had a long Twitter back and forth
this week with with Mark ASCO from CAD Dovey, and Tom Webster
jumped in and it was this all sparked by evos evos episode,
which was fantastic. It was a typical thing that we have been
hearing for a while it was well, you know, there's got to be some
sort of critical mass and you've got to get everybody to play
along and it was just this the same sort of you know, you have
to get you have to get momentum in order or you have to get size
before any of this will that will matter and that they Is the
toxic part of what we've what podcasting has to deal with on a
constant basis. And, I mean, I understand what they're trying
to get at. But the the, the game has changed. Now there is now
there's a group of people that are inspired to see change
happen. And once that, once that becomes reality, once there are
a group of people who are inspired for for change, just
change, it doesn't matter what the change is, if they want to
see things improve, and things be different, and they want to
see new things, once that becomes there's a hunger for
that, then that thing becomes a life of its own. It takes on a
life of its own and it can it can, it can make things happen.
that couldn't happen before when there was nobody there to
advocate for it.
This is okay, so the analog couple of things, what we have
in 1.0, and what we're missing in 2.0, probably is
transmitters. We don't need no stinking transmitters. It was
against the established media. Not like it was a fight or
anything, but it was like, hey, look at this. This is a backdoor
we're going around him. So that was that's kind of what that
was. And the
pirate radio type. Yes,
exactly. And so now, it's a different situation. Because
the, you know, Apple is one of the Oji pirates. But you know,
the pirate is, you know, stopped caring because there was no
loot, you know, looking for the map, and you know, where's the
x, I can't I can't find the gold doubloons. And so, you know,
they don't care. Then Then came another pirate, a true pirate,
which is Spotify. And, and they went ha, we don't see a map
either, but ha give us your doubloons podcasters. And, and
we like well, you got to get all the podcasters to have the
doubloons but that's not how it works. It's just it's it's the
nature of a decentralized system. It's it's, gosh. You
know, it's like what a bit like Max Keiser said, in Austin, you
know, Bitcoin was designed to be attacked, or assessed in a way
was designed to be attacked. It's a honey badger. It's like
Ha. tumbles on. Yeah, there's no advocacy group. There's no, I
was once in the RSS board and I got kicked off because I don't
know I did. I missed 18,000 meetings that went to spam. You
missed a meeting. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, I don't really
miss meetings. Actually. I'm pretty good at that. But I don't
do them anymore. Or at least I try not to. So yeah, so we have
such I can feel the network effect. And it comes when you
get embeddable players that are showing chapters, and someone
says, Oh, what is that again?
What's the just cast?
I think just cast? I think that's what it is. Yeah, you see
that? It's like, oh, wow, that's kind of interesting. And, boy,
you might as well pop this now. Because with a little bit of
luck, we're kind of early development cycle. I think it
was two shows ago, we were talking I was again, at I was
with Steven B was that three shows ago? Two or three shows,
don't ask me that. I was saying hi, not my, my old thing if I
really want to be able to create a new episode, right in the app.
And of course, all of a sudden Steven says, okay, check this
out.
Yeah, yeah, that was a chat. He takes that as a direct
challenge.
Yeah, well, so today, if all goes well, if we're fortunate,
and you're hearing this, it doesn't necessarily mean that
that you, if nothing else changing you're hearing the
show, then it probably worked. And this is really cool, because
you're looking at the Curio caster and you know, there's an
add episode, and you click on the Add episode, and it copies
over a whole bunch of the metadata you already had. But
it's all the tags, almost all the tags, write down to the feed
meta tags for funding, etc. And it's got a nice little editor
for show notes. And you. You click you don't even click save,
you just click go, you click Export RSS, and it poops out an
RSS file that doesn't even change the generator meta tag,
which is
so i i got the link for this and I couldn't get it to work and I
think it was just a browser problem.
So you can't use it on mobile. You can't use it on mobile.
Okay, so I haven't seen I haven't seen how it works. Like
I don't know anything. You have to tell me how it works because
I haven't even used How can that
be? You didn't get the link.
Now I got the link but it wouldn't work in my browser on
desktop. I think you maybe it was brave. Every time And brave.
Every time I would click the episode thing, it would just not
do anything.
So you didn't get an empty box?
No, No, I didn't. But that may have been. He may have been
doing something. Yeah, that can happen,
especially with web apps. Yeah. No, it's basically it's a
template and he's got a drop down on the right hand side. So
your top things are, you have title, episode number, show
notes, URL for enclosure for the mp3 file. To me, that part is
still manual. But that's how I do it now. Anyway, I just FTP it
into our system, both the feed the mp3 and the temporary SRT
file that says transcript processing come back soon,
y'all.
But by the way, I don't think you said I think he said Steven
Bannon don't make some people may not understand that. He's
the developer of Curio caster. This is all happening in the
Curio caster. Yes,
yes, exactly. And so if you look at the Curio caster app on the
desktop, it's three panes. In the middle one is the episode
list. That's what this with this link, you that doesn't work for
you pops up, you click on new episode, you get a blank box at
the top. And as you're filling stuff out on the in the right
hand panel, which turns into like a templatized. Like a
WordPress type thing, you know, right? And you filling out the
basics, you see it appear in the in the new episode in your
podcast list. So you actually can preview it right there in
the app.
Okay, so is it live yet? Or is it still in the beta site?
Oh, no, it's that link that I gave you. So then once you do
that, and it copies over all the fields that you don't want to be
typing in every single time. If I think you can have it, copy
everything over, just make a duplicate and change whatever
you want.
Then this is like I say, I know you well enough to know that
you're salivate Dude,
I'm choosing over here. This is crazy. This is Yeah. And then
you have a drop down for all the different tags and everything.
And after the show, I want to sit with you and go through to
make sure we've got all the all that I'm doing all the tags,
right, cuz I've never even used any of these. Okay,
yeah. So, okay, so what we need now is, is a hosting company to
allow for an API to express an API that can handle this thing.
So
yeah, well, can we hook into the like, would pod press does was
blueberry?
Yes, I'm thinking. Blueberry? is the one that pops to mind first,
because they seem to have the infrastructure. But I'm thinking
that I mean, this makes sense. It makes sense to me for other
hosts to build out an API for this if they don't have one.
Yep. Because then you can. There's a new This feels like a
new class of app where you're gonna have me just just to be
clear, if people aren't following what we're talking
about.
It's so clear to me, and I'm like, Why don't people see my
vision? Dammit.
The idea here is that you're, you're creating your podcast
feed in the same app that you're consuming the feed with? Yeah.
Which is kind of a crazy. Yeah, idea. This is like your it's
like going into you're going into your podcast app to listen
to podcasts. But then you go to your podcast, and you miss an
episode episode. Yeah, Episode, and then it gives you a feed. So
I'm thinking that but it's
really it's really appropriate on the desktop. That's where it
really comes to life mobile is, you know, I can't see that being
necessary. But you could create your own scripts. You're an
apple script. You know, you save an RSS feed into this folder,
boom, it goes off. I mean, there's a million ways to do
self holsters will love this.
Yeah, yeah, this is, and that's the that's so that's the next
step is you've gotten Okay, now you got a feed? Yeah, he has
stick it somewhere and you've got audio files, you need to
stick them somewhere. So then that's where the host hosting
company could come in and have an API that would let Curio
caster just plug in to this dude's account. Yeah. So that
they can just go boop, boop, done. Yeah, right, right to the
right to the hosting company in it. And it just gives them the
data where the hosting company could suck it in and build the
fade out.
And now the app developers can start offering the services for
different hosting companies. And you know, they should get ivig
for that.
Yeah, that'd be awesome.
Right?
That's me
now. And now we have an ecosystem. Now we're all talking
to each other. We've all been so Gosh, dang it independent.
Hosting and podcaster.
They're bringing the apps can now bring customers directly to
the host.
Yeah. Hey, you want to start your own click here. Use this
app.
You're in that you know what that is? That's anchor.
Yeah, only everyone gets to do it and everyone participates.
Yes,
you decentralized anchors.
Oh, there you go.
You get you get you're listening to some stuff. And you flip
over. And like, Oh, I want to start a pod. Well, you know
what, I want to start a podcast to new episode?
Yes, exactly. Bam, new episode, and then it pops up
like which hosts? Do you want to use? blueberry buzzsprout
rss.com A captivate Trentino just gives you a list of all the
participating hosts, you say? Yeah. And they're like, Okay,
well, you know, we'll get we'll do a sign up. And then the app
developer gets a percentage of off the sign up or whatever.
And discount codes the podcast is read out is so 2010, bro. It
is. It's like, Oh, yeah, that's right. Oh, man, we're making
everybody money. But ourselves, Dave? Dammit, oh,
no, we got booster gram,
well, hold on, we'll get to the booster grams. So along with
this comes our rejiggered positioning, which you kind of
came up with it. And we and we moved a few words around, but I
want to share it because I really, really like it. And this
is such an excellent example of it. The podcast index is here to
preserve, protect and extend the open independent podcast
ecosystem. We do this by enabling developers to have
access to an open categorized index that will always be
available for free for any use, try a new podcast app today and
see how much better the experience can be. And right
now, and that just links to the to the apps page, which is all
going to change. But at least we're figuring out what the hell
we're going to change. We know we know it's going to look
pretty, we're just figuring out all these pieces and all these
proper positionings. And this is good though I like this a lot.
And it's exactly what we're doing, preserve, protect and
extend.
It just it felt the the original mission statement that was up
there about preserving free speech and that kind of thing.
It felt incomplete. And just, it was too simplistic. And it was
just, it was me, I think I can say this better. It was so
simplistic,
that it was easy to just get triggered by it for political
reasons. And it did not fully express what we were actually
trying to do. Agreed. And to be fair to ourselves, when we
started, there was only two things we were going to do.
We're going to have an independent index that any app
developer could tap into, and we're going to make lightning
work with satoshis. And what came out of that is like, like
we uncork some, some bottle of pent up creativity and energy.
And it just spewed out a whole namespace with you know, with
with tons of new features and ideas
that you just described a Fauci boost I think
boosts there we go
that's exactly what happened here.
So this is where I feel bad because you know we started the
boost to get booster gram craze You know, we've been pushing it
real hard. We've been active participants in it. And Cridland
asked me to do a jingle for their booster Graham corner and
I completely forgot and then he called me out on on the show
after they had a boost of grammar boo cocky fest. Just I'm
sorry. Sorry.
That is a foul that is inappropriate is inappropriate.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but it's what it was.
I mean, Alisha,
I was there I was like hold this listen to these guys are going
nuts. And after they just did this whole bid on how fucked up
how messed up advertising is trying to be good now. They go
straight into they were so joyous and so happy and they
made like $130 in satoshis from booster grams like this this is
I had a big smile on my face.
Oh I did you can do it now. This one
yeah, that's what I was thinking I was thinking I'll do a live
jingle for them do it live and we'll do a live baby Let me see
if I can let me see if I can do this. Okay. This was boosted
Graham corner. All right. Yeah. Now it's time for the boost
boost boost boost. Boost gram
corner is too much too much. You unloaded everything in the
arsenal
Okay, coach
me, drag background singers.
Coach me coach because you're just simple just that just you
know, just what like a big booming voice like I can do. In
a world where podcast news matters more than women with
comfortable shoes. It's your boost to Graham corner.
I think you need to go with top 40 I think you need to top for
it. They're both radio guy.
Going I was doing like booster grabs booster gram corner. Let
me try that. Why don't we try booster booster booster grams
booster booster gram corner. I can't get more top 40 than that.
But I'll just do a big voice Alright, here we go
do it do a straight Do you go do your best Casey Casey.
And now the booster gram corner.
No that's
that's my Casey Casey him. Okay. Now long distance dedication
about a dead puppy.
Do your best Delilah. Yeah.
booster gram corner.
That's boring.
They can choose and edit whatever they want. I think I've
done enough. I've done my business. I have returned us the
pod father. Heard you on the survival podcast? That was
really good.
Oh, thanks. Yeah, my my audio was going buzzer and I barely
had any idea what I was saying.
Well didn't come across that way. You It's so nice. And is
another reason why I love working with you. You know, from
the early days on where I was dragging
spark
Voyager which was the Sun luggable workstation, color,
detachable keyboard with a Yes, sir. A hot headed color cue.
Yeah, the color LCD screen with a built in modem. And I drag
that thing into the CEO, the Office of the CEO of you know,
Reebok and Budweiser. And I jack their fax machine and neither,
you know, 100 foot cord, telephone cord and we bring up
mosaic and say here's the future son, but it was pretty much
always me. And I was MTV guy. So I was like a monkey boy here to
dance show. Everybody and that was that's been my career for a
long, long time. Until you know, podcasting, and really no agenda
and we're doing podcasting. 2.0 So now, there's someone who
tells the story in an even better way than I do. You're so
calm and you are very, very I'm taking some lessons from how you
do that.
No, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed this show cuz I can I can I can feed
off your energy. My natural state is is very,
very MPR but without without the annoying of talk.
Oh, thank you. Well, you were on Allison Morrow show to you.
Right? Yeah, about about three quarters of the way through it.
Yeah, it was fun. I like her. I want to get her on. On value for
value. Julie work though. Yeah, she's just coming straight out
of mainstream. So she's, she's, you know, she's got some
learning to do. But she's, I had no i didn't i haven't knew about
her. I think we might have covered her story on no agenda A
long time ago. But I got all kinds of interesting messages
from you know, sir. genies like you were great analysis. But you
watch out. Oh, yeah. Since Episode Five, like, Oh,
I never even heard of her until you until you said you're going
to be on her show that I watched enough to to see the chat. And
the chat was, I've never really seen. I mean, I've seen the
YouTube chat. But I mean, don't get me wrong, but like, I've
never
Oh, see, I got you got a live experience.
Yeah. And it was actually really cool. What I can see why people
want that.
Yeah, that's, that's what I call engagement. That can be
engagements. And people are doing that stuff, especially if
each chat message comes with a Satoshi.
It's just like, that may sound a little troll room on this side
of the screen. You know, I mean, that's what it feels like, well,
chat room, eight. And I can see that,
hey. So
if you took the concept of a boost, and maybe just I'm just
going crazy here, if you took a booster Graham, but the message
was, because the a booster gram, the app automatically should
get, you know, let's just say with any trailer, any booster
gram, the app gets one set, which means the app also gets
the TLV. Record. Right. And there's a couple of other people
who get to to view record. Doesn't can that also not
constitute a post a comment? Could the app to not say Oh,
that's a comment. And click I'll put it right here underneath the
show in the
app. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's the Sphinx model, right?
Yeah, you're just passing the you're passing. So to me, the
Sphinx chat model is you pass a Satoshi a Satoshi around with
the TLV attached to
it. Right. But how does the other How do the other apps get
ahold of that? could then the, the app that receive that, that
comment, boost, then share that you'd have to
Okay, so things that pop out to me would be like he first would
possibly take that incoming message or that incoming Hold on
a second. Steven B.
Don't build anything yet. Just wait. Yes, please. This is
really an unrehearsed off the cuff crap here. All right.
Yeah, I feel like we stress people out with
a lot of people I know for sure. Yeah.
So it feels like you could do it one of two ways. You could, you
could, the app could get the T o v. So I guess I'm just
envisioning This is you. Okay, so this is YouTube. And in this
scenario, this would be something like, Curio caster or
pod friend, this will be sad. Yes,
exactly.
And so it's doing it. It's it's seeing it live. And on the
stream. The SATs are going to.
I already figured it out. Stop.
Okay.
All you need is a value block that is designated for your
comments. Oh, yeah. And then you put so yeah, and then every
single payment that goes there, you just publish the comment?
Yeah, what would the publishing mechanism be like? No.
Fucking magic, Dave. I'm surprised you haven't built it
yet. I'm talking about what is the mechanisms PHP, baby. reacts
React Native native react. I don't know what it
is. It's react flutter flutter solves this. spelt. Yeah. Now,
that could work. You have a dedicated This is like the this
is like the chat.
I mean, we we I mean, I wouldn't mind. I mean, we could just do
that for us. You know, just as a test. There's something here and
maybe maybe the podcasts or services that we're you know,
that we're working on. Maybe that's something that we could
at least facilitate setting up and we don't want to we don't
want to post anything.
podcast or services that are you. You're the director of
podcast or serve fuck no,
I am the I am the director of podcasts or success.
That's it. Tricaster success ninja?
Yes. That's that's what I am. Yeah.
Well, I mean, this could be okay, so the live thing needs to
happen first. Yeah. Live tag. First. That's that's face poor
baby. Um, sweet. I'm declaring it as renting the flag. Sweet.
Sweet. I want it.
Yeah. And it has to be streaming live. It can't just be live.
It's got to be streaming live.
streaming live streaming live? We'll do it through pilot pod
paying. And then then this would be next.
Yeah, pod paid shit. That's it. Dave pod ping is the answer.
Because it pod ping although, looks like a centralized service
because of the nature of the blockchain is not of course,
we're gonna have central hubs that build and may die or May,
you know, whatever can happen. But in essence, it continues to
work on the hive chain. I hope Brian of London,
Brian of Hi, Brian, find a vibe.
That could also be the mechanism for publishing comments back. or
his or just saying, Here's his comments for for this good. Go
to this value block. Do
you mean, you mean in the you mean hot the hive?
I don't know. I'm just because pod pod Ping. I forget the
backend of just saying pod ping is a decentralized service,
although it's a centralized gateway. But we can use
comments don't go there.
No, not on comments. But But hey, here's where the comments
live this node send to this node read from this node, something
like that. I'm not quite sure. Okay.
You're saying that you published the live item. The lot the app
sees it hooks into the stream, the live stream, your HLS or
whatever. And it's boop boop, boop is pumping is pumping the
stream out. But the pod ping that notified the app, the pod
ping message that notified the app that the live stream had
started. also contained a pointer to where the comments
should go. That is interesting. Yep. Yeah.
Which is why we've been married for 11 years, darling.
Yeah, now I don't know. Nobody built this place.
Do not be Martin Martin. Martin. Stop, stop. Stop. Stop. Stop.
Stop. Stop. Stop. Nice.
He's painting is he's painting the master bedroom.
How it released is that Oh, okay. Well, good. I'm happy for
him. I know. It's it's a multi month process, man. It was same
for me. It was really hard to keep up with everything and
everybody. So he has a kid now, right?
No, No, I'm just kidding.
No, he does. I think it's just isn't his fiance's child. I
think so.
Oh, I didn't know he had a kid. Congratulations, you think No,
no, I think the kid is, is of Disney age. I don't know Martin
I get a pod friend. Martin's like quick I turn this down. My
new wife doesn't know about these kids.
The old double wife
I have heard about those Danes.
That doesn't mean good.
Oh, my goodness. Oh, just on the booster grams. And that was the
final thing. But I just remembered. I think I know this
was a thread for a moment there on podcast index dot social. But
James was reading a booster gram amounts, which were after fees
and distributions. And so you're not really getting the
numerology of the of the boost? And I think he's getting it from
Satoshi stream. So where's that? Or is it is it an app that is
not sending the right information? Or should we even
have a standardized document for this?
I'm not sure we do. We do. Yeah, no, it's Yeah, that sister she's
that stream needs to be hooked into the needs to be displaying
the value in the TLV that is called value m set total. Yes.
That you underscore him set underscore total because that's
the pre that's that's the total that was sent before any fees or
anything right before it's been molested
before the lightning network chomped on it like Pac Man.
Yes, a good Pac Man. Huh. Walker Walker, Walker Walker. There's
your booster. There's your booster Graham corner right
there.
No. All right.
But I mean, yeah, that's it's in there. It's in there.
So that's Toshi scream is not sending is just displaying the
wrong information. We're not on information different than than
I expected.
With a complete lack of information, I'm going to go
ahead and blame Satoshi string. Okay.
Yeah. Blame those guys.
Yeah. So I don't know if if it's not his problem, then we'll
Yeah, we'll figure it out. The boost the AI was thinking about
about the chapter Well, let me just do this. I need to correct
something that I said on a previous episode because I i
unintentionally upset the pod love guys. Oh. Because they we
were talking about pod love chapters which are in which
which
are which is in the Omni studio feed drawer. or sell some NBC
podcast or something that we're talking Fox podcast? Yeah.
Yeah. But and they, and he thought that I had just screwed
that whole thing up about describing it in there was not
intentional. I just wanted to break there. I mean, it is. He
was upset initially, because I said it in past tense, like pod
love, pod love chapters was a thing that blah, blah, blah,
that I didn't mean it that way. It's just, it's just language.
But no pod love isn't published chapters are a spec, that is
inactive use today in the feed. And it's just a different, it's
just a different paradigm. And the only reason why we didn't
was initially we were going to adopt the pod love chapter. So
yes, I remember that. I remember that. That was the plan. But
then, you know, two hosting companies are like, no, we're
not doing that. Because they were concerned about feed size.
And so then the natural
because the chapters go in the RSS feed in the pod love format.
Got it?
Yeah. And if you have 100,000 feeds, you know, even one extra
kilobyte per per feed can add up right up to distribution
bandwidth. So we were I mean, it was just a no go. I mean, like,
they just were like, no, we're not using that. And so, in that.
So we're like, well, I'm gonna let's figure something else out.
And so we came up with this other idea and I you know, I'm
partial to the new idea anyway, but the the pod love chapter
still work fine. The workaround for the pod love chapters was
for feed size was that you use paging, the paging so that you,
not all of your episodes are in a single or in the feed. So do
you have a reference to another file
for older episodes? Okay. Right, right. And then, which is fine,
but nobody seems to want to implement that either. Because
that's that specification has been around for a long time. And
is there
a way to Is there a way to embrace pod love and bring them
into the into their own tag in the namespace?
Now they've already they've already contributed a lot to the
namespace,
right but but have the actual pod love in the namespace
itself? Or is that a problem? Because that requires everyone
then to adopt? The pile of chapters? Yeah,
yeah. I just don't want to reopen that box. I mean, it's
just done.
All right. Well, you meant no malice is what you're saying. He
didn't mean to piss anybody.
Yeah. And I just wanted to I wanted I didn't want to talk
about I felt bad.
It's not easy being a podcaster now is it is what it is is when
you get hate mail.
But that there that is a spec that's in active use and it's a
great spec. And that's the other thing about podcasting. 2.0 is
like, all we want is new features. It doesn't matter
where they come from you just want cool and cool new features.
Yeah, so yeah, there's there's cool stuff out there. Not all of
it is stuff that we built here.
No, certainly not.
Anyway, that I wanted that as a as a public service and now
Yeah, so you want to do you want to hear my? You want to hear my
Dave Jackson ISO? Oh, yes, of course. What the heck is a
Satoshi Oh, yes. What the heck is a Satoshi Wait, now this
one's better. I don't know a thing about crypto.
Okay. I don't know a thing about crypto. No thing about crypto
y'all.
Yeah, he's got such a good.
Good, good end of show live show. They're
doing well. Thanks some people? Yeah. Anything else you're
talking about?
Um, let me see. Did we miss anything? Do we wrap it all up
on the on the basics because I think we do need to thank some
people but also just briefly talk about some phase four.
Yeah, we can talk about phase four.
Yeah, well okay, this is a value for value project the whole
project I'll read it again for those who missed it the podcast
index is here to preserve protect and extend the open
independent podcasting ecosystem. We do this by
enabling developers to have access to open categorized index
there will always be available for free for any use try new
podcast app today and see how much better the experience can
be. Screw coke This is new coke new podcast apps.com so all we
asked for in this project is you contribute some value back if
you find the invaluable that can be done with your time your
talent your treasure, when we need money to keep the servers
running for everything for the node to be funded and you can do
that with your rehearsed this with your Fiat fun coupons. Your
cookbooks or with your satoshis we accept all of it go to
podcast index.org and at the bottom is big red Donate button
and let's thank some people today yeah for supporting the
the hub of the movement on it or someone at some pub or something
I'm not quite sure what we are a nucleus
if I say if we're if this is flat earth and we're the North
Pole
yes we're the embryo Yes. The embryo pay for moving first baby
firmament.
So yeah. out so procedural question here. Yes. The age old
like should I do these? In order? Disha do these donations
biggest to least in order to get to honor the biggest givers up
front? Or should I do them least to biggest in order to climax at
the end with the biggest donor?
Well, this is interesting. The proven model is his biggest to
to the smallest. Okay. That is the proven model. You had made
climax though. I was interested like this could be this could be
a different way of doing it.
Hmm. Well, I don't know. Let's let's stick with the proven
model it will AB test. Okay.
Okay, this is a everybody we're doing version a version a press
a click click on the on the graphic and your chapter mark
right now to hear version B.
be fun coupons first. Yes. Dred Scott gave us $51. He says he's
taken he's taken Sanford one sending him and then putting it
back into the show.
Well, you know what he's doing now. He's He's moonlighting on
the on the Fun Fact Friday podcast with David David mitas.
Oh,
is in the value block over there? Yes, he is. And he's
doing chapters.
Yes.
He's, he's gonna have a businessman. I'm telling you.
He's gonna have a business. He's gonna get a bunch of a bunch of
kids to listen to podcast, mark the chapters do the art. You'll
have them chained in a basement and he's going to be rich. I
tell you stinking rich.
They don't like a bunch of teenagers. A bunch of teenagers
staring at screens all day. I mean, that's just normal stuff.
Exactly.
They do need them and in fact, he's paying them with a with
SATs per chapter
they complete. Yet one set one set, but maybe maybe a kid This
is for your future. They only have to do 100 million chapters
a year and they I can make a living off
now we're just talking about this stuff and bitcoins over
48,000. I mean, we were influencing the price.
We know what is there. Is there any indication of Why? Because
that jumped up high today? I don't really understand why.
No, I have no idea. Yeah, I could give you a million
different news stories and say, hey, it's because of this, but I
don't know. I think, yeah, just look at the curve. You know,
it's got to go back up to 100,000 by the end of the year,
and I think that's a fair assessment. You're seeing a lot
of people agreeing with that. I don't know why. I just I this is
what I see. And like, Oh, that sounds sounds reasonable.
Dred Scott says, says, jingles go podcasting. Hmm. See, set.
The set streamer note. Dred Scott showed number donation
special shout out to the podcast. Fun Fact Friday with
Lila and David not just fun facts, but also a fun 20.
Listen. drib All right.
I love the Fun fact, Friday show.
I've never listened to it.
Oh, you have to it's dad and his daughter. That's great. And but
you know, but they did everything themselves. And they
also i think i think they put the whole note together
themselves together. They put their Oh really? Yeah. I believe
they got a Raspberry Pi and put it all together. Yeah, this is
this is really cool. It's like It's like a homeschooling
project that is in school.
Again.
And for those for those developers and podcasters. Who
you know are you know, you're in your 20s right now. This young
lady is probably gonna wind up hiring you for something.
There you go. Thanks, man.
I just downloaded Fun Fact Friday into my fountain app. If
that one a shot today, I have to rotate my apps all the time.
This is a great,
great, great podcast.
Thank you. Let's see, Paul or skin. He took out a new
automatic subscription monthly subscription for $11.14 I didn't
see a note.
Thank you. All curious about the number.
I like it. Me too. Anonymous $11.11 says make this anonymous
enjoy some fun coupons, podcast.
Fun. I throw that in all the time now. And just like the most
normal thing, and Tina is used to this crap for me, and people
talk about you know, cutbacks
with Max's voice
I've started listening. It's interesting how max releases his
episodes. So he has a full a full podcast but he releases it
in parts first and then are bits of it I guess. And then the full
thing is that how I've come to understand this.
I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I just don't go back and listen to
the old ones. I haven't listened to anything new. I listened to a
couple of
Yeah, so we'll have to live Episode 27 654321 and zero is
then the full episode. Oh, okay. I don't know maybe it's I think
I'm checking it out in pod burst it could just be me
misunderstanding something I don't know.
And see survive and survive from the mastodon podcast into index
dot social. He gave us $5 a month subscription. Thank
you very much that keeps the whole server running.
See those are our fun coupons and we got some booster grams.
Let's see. Oh, wow. Okay. Kiran from the mere mortals podcast
I'm gonna be on that show by the way.
Yes, I will. We both saw this this boost come in. They've gone
nuts. They've been they've I mean, they're just boosting
everybody everywhere. Yeah. big numbers. Big rollers
100,000 SATs from Karen.
I think that is a record booster gram. I think it's a record
boost actually and holy crap it worked. Let's just stop it and
talk Think about that for a second the Australian monetary
police are going to go and find you cuz you've broken some sort
of law
or something by basing this on that. Just sit just send us
gonna like swim across the channel in a in a in a hazmat
suit and mess you up or something like you're messing
everything up down under this is this is really see is this is
really a message for everyone in the 2.0 community. I can't
express how much fun I've had since I found out about this a
mere one and a half months ago. I was feeling like I hit a glass
ceiling in terms of the quality I could create for my shows but
everything here as well and truly inspire me to work harder
and produce the best podcasts I can your introduction into the
Bitcoin and lightning world for me has already been more than
it's worth its weight in Bitcoin. Well, see would
appreciate a D fragmenting to celebrate my crossing of the
$100 fun token threshold with resorting to the emasculating
cookbooks and just PS would have boosted more if the limit was
higher on pot Bran might be worth upping that limit Martin.
That's almost 50 bucks man today.
Yeah, I've got
so but the funny thing is I don't think of it that way. I
think 100,000 satoshis. Yeah. It's like
it never even registers to me. I'm
I know that's what that's what's so crazy. Like, I'm already I'm
already living in that world somehow.
I've got t shirts, and I'm behind on T shirts getting
those. Okay, somehow air. Air has got the spreadsheet with T
shirts in it. And they're all laid out nicely. It's like, name
address.
Oh, yeah. Eric. Eric nails that down. Yeah,
it's beautiful. Yet somehow this is mystifying to me. And I can't
make I can't make myself actually figure out how to use
the spreadsheet. So I'm an idiot. I will. I will get these
t shirts. Over to Eric's s this will
you need to add entries? You mean?
Yeah. I'm like two weeks behind on that. So okay. Yeah. Um,
we've been we've been waiting over a decade for podcasting to
point out I'm sure you know, everyone will be able to say,
Hey, I was there, I got the T shirt.
I remember that. Eventually. 50,000 SATs from Auburn Citadel.
He says sup freaks. working my way to a T shirt. I appreciate.
I appreciate your work on freedom, enabling technology.
It's so important in this crazy world.
So what do we set as a Satoshi number for t shirts? It's $100
in Fiat fun coupons.
I don't know what what's, what's the limit? as well. I
mean, because the number will fluctuate. But I think that we
let's just start living in the sad world. Right?
Yeah, we need a hard limit. Like Yeah, irrespective of whatever
some somehow 250 sounds good, but a 200 would be okay, two and
1000 or 250. Let's do 200 200 Okay. 200 the T shirt committee
may adjust this number later. T shirt. Believe me it is not when
it goes down. But you know, we know you won't be won't be
setting that as 200,000 at some point. Here's a car.
The T shirt committee is Eric saying his message like yo
Phillip crab.
Eric Yo, yeah, you're right. You're right. You're right. We
need to be careful because he's Eric is figuring out accounting
tax all of this stuff, which, which is going to be something
we'll be able to share, provide, etc. But
nobody's gonna say it's gonna be like 250,000 SATs is the
shipping amount? Australia. Okay, okay. All right. Yes.
Yeah, great. Greg Thomas. Gave us 10,804 sets. He says Adam and
Dave, I've been a monthly pay pal donor for a while but now
I'll be cancelling that donation. booster Graham's still
donating just not in cookbooks. Go podcasting? Yes. Thank you
very much. We do there's so many of these. Good got on money,
but we're gonna have to have a cut off at some point. That's
just
my cut offs, though. So yeah, well, it's
okay. If as long as you don't mind five hour shows.
Yes. Michael Morrison. Michael.
Michael Morris. From the from the kingdom of Denmark. Michael
Morrison.
Yeah, the polygamist. Get he gave us 177 SATs and says
mandatory boost for mentioning me. Yes. All right. Boost. Aaron
at sell on nomics. He gave us 2000 2000 SAS he says five
words. Episode 50 was a boost to boot cocky and now
that's where I got it from. That's where I got the show.
Yes, yes. Oh, Bad. Bad Man. Bad Man. You influenced me? Not?
very negatively. I apologize profusely. I'm really working on
myself.
Brian of hive gave us 1000. And that's when he pointed out why
one of hives best apps is called hive key chain. Brian, I have to
admit I've no idea what you're talking about.
hive key chain. That's where you keep all of your all of your
keys, I guess.
But why is that one of the highest best apps? And I guess
it would be the most important
Well, now did you look at the timestamp, dude. By the way,
these I expect these emails to come in with a clip you know,
just click on the click on the link and it goes right to that
time code.
If you're going to expect that why not just expected to have an
mp3 of the clip attached to it
right I didn't want to take away your weekend but okay
i'm not saying I'm gonna build it.
Okay
that's it. That's called a two Shea c boost booster gram 1000
SATs from Chad Barrow sending my first booster gram for fountain
go podcast.
Yes
See Chad Barrow had another 1000 SATs Hey Adam are these booster
grams just a Trojan horse to get podcasters to add donation
sections to their podcast
know that it's a feature it's a feature to enhance the donation
segments that's the whole point. And and would you watch you
watch what happens when you start to do your booster gram
corner? This is this stuff
really really works it's not a Trojan horse we're coming at
full
no secrets here brah
yeah no secrets Steven bass it check it out Cinder ID is being
sent now and it's the dog session that it has been very
nice
nothing else about you know if these were if these were boosted
comments yeah you can you can treat like 100,000 can go to the
top No, I'm just kidding I'm just gamifying stuff you know
it's it's in my nature
yeah you can you can like like an auction almost you guys top
somebody or whatever.
Something
leaderboard leader leaderboard Yeah. Stuff like that. Oscar
Mary says you really have released a beast boosting as
addictive 1000 sets Oscar said it worked. I guess that must
have been his first boost because fountain Yes. And he
said don't worry about reading all my boosts now I'm going to
read every one of them Oscar by the way
for my honesty with the most recent one is I thought I got a
I was gonna look at is why I like so much. We have a daily a
daily thing. We look at how many transactions each app each app
is doing. I look I'm looking for the most recent one. I love
that. Okay, just keep going. I'm just okay, I'm just
I'm just Oscar had another AK gave us he gave us a boost for
mentioning fountain on the show. 1007 see
how that works. Here we go. Sphinx. This past was that day.
They had 661 transactions. Is this good? Yeah. This Oh, you've
already ordered it. Oh, nice.
Yeah, I don't think I don't think it's sorted properly
though.
Oh, it but it's sorted. It looks like it's sorted by amount of
transactions. Which is what
i what i was a coincidence.
Oh, really? swink 661, pod friend 339. breeze 351 Curio
caster 130 Fountain 112. Unknown 46 pod verse three. But they're
still in beta testing stuff. This is real. I really love
this. Because it's not necessarily equal to the amount
of satoshis that come through per transactions. The
transaction amount
going through the system is is really all right.
So fountain with 112 transactions. That today's
report just today, okay, was 48,699 SATs that came through
fountain.
There's 400,000 transactions in our node database. It's crazy.
And that since really since December,
when Mac said he was he said the only thing he's really worried
about is that we break the lightning network. He might not
be kidding. I mean, we're learning about compacting
databases already. Yeah, yeah.
I asked asked him. Tim I was like what went How often do you
compact your database and he said, I don't I'm scared.
Yeah, exactly. Well, voltage has a setting for it.
Yeah, yeah. Graham advocates that he was there he said
they're working on a document that shows how to attend at a
back your stuff up and tinned your database. So they're,
they're gonna they're gonna put that out as like a support
document and that'll be good for everybody.
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was was there a new app that was that just started sending value
for value?
You're thinking to cast ematic. And he's still testing. Okay.
All right.
He's in beta. All right. Well, and Who's Who is that?
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I've seen it. Yeah, it's iOS only right? Yeah. No, I in fact,
I think I talked about it on the last show.
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and beyond a deal but a namespace because yes, I'd love
to use borago. I'd love to. So I think what I'm going to do over
the next week before the end of the month is to go ahead and
write everything up for the new tags as best I can, and then
we'll just start hashing on them. So what I think it is
right now, I think it'll be initially live. And medium.
Right, so so we can determine whether it's a video.
Yeah, what what format it takes. And, and I have something to say
about 10 seconds. And then this new one that just popped up. Is,
is the idea of pinning episodes. And so is where or what you call
like gateway episodes. And so you've I think you commented on
that issue.
Yes. The pin the pinned, pinned episodes.
Yeah. And I think that's a great idea. I think it's good enough
to try to get it in into phase four.
Let me see you. Yeah, well, let me um, I don't know, I'd have to
hear everything. But what I like about the idea is, especially
for long, longer lasting podcast, like the no agenda
show, but even even this podcast there, there could be episodes
that either Hey, you know, listen to this episode, which
and we did a couple of those on no agenda, we call them the
point five episodes. So we did one at 100.5 200.5. And I think
maybe three or 400.5. And we recap is kind of like an ion
where we we bring in things from the from the previous 100 point
something episode. And it really brings people up to speed on on
a lot of the basics. And I think a lot of podcasts are like that.
And there's people always suggest different things. And it
could or could just be, you know, like a telegram group.
Just here's an important episode that you need to make sure you
heard I mean, no matter what your reason is, I really like
the idea of pinning.
Yeah, yeah. And I mean, even for this show, it's hard to go back
and suggest now that somebody listened to the very first
episode, right? Because it has changed so much.
You know, a lot of this behavior is I've never understood it, but
it's rampant, people often will go back and start an entire
podcast from the beginning. And I can't explain what it is. But
it's every single podcast I've ever been involved in people
have done that.
That's interesting, because that I would call myself a neurotic
completest. So I'm the guy that will I can't just read like a
book, I've got to read the entire series, even if it's 50
books, you know. And I have that neuroses, but I don't have this.
But I don't have this urge to go back and listen to every episode
of a podcast. That's, that's like something that's that's a
different thing, I guess. I don't know. But I mean, if you
had the gateway episode idea, in place, you could just say, Okay,
this is a great onboard into our show at this, like at this
point. And it could it could be from like a year ago, but at
least it gives you like, this is the good, this is the best entry
point. Just kind of floats in the feet along with every other
one with all the current stuff.
It's critical that we get podcasters involved in these
types of discussions, because I'm really going off of what
I've learned from having podcast audiences for, you know, for 18
years, or whatever. There's, there's a whole bunch of things
we're missing as a group, because we just don't have a lot
of people who are in there are also podcasters. But it's just
so much stuff that is unexpected, like even just the
importance of you know, comments, which has been a big
one for us. That's we're going to learn things that we never
expected. But we need that we need kind of the feedback from
the podcasters. And it's kind of you know, not everyone's like,
Oh, yeah, I'll go on this GitHub thing that's intuitive for me,
because it's not strangely.
The other the other thing that the other tag that I'd like to
get through there is recommendations. And it's not
that a lot of people have been clamoring for this, but I think
that Benjamin Bellamy and his group has done a lot they've
done a lot of work on this is clearly something that they need
yes and want. Yep. And I think that is all that matters. So
once that thing gets into the spec, then it becomes a little
bit more visible to people in the industry, and they can look
at it and maybe they find out that they need it also. But it's
a very big, it's a very big tag. And so I think that people have
been a little nervous about it because of this And the scope of
it.
I mean, if the way I understood it when we had Benjamin on is,
it's something that the podcaster can control that much
like chapters, or could have an trusted third party manage that
for them. which actually gives a lot of advertising slash
marketing opportunities. People pay attention.
Yeah, that's exactly right. And to me, that sounds like a
fantastic idea.
I liked it. I liked it. Because I immediately wanted a system
that does a lot of that for me that I can you know, but I want
to have control over it. I don't know like chapters it is to me,
it's exactly like that. Oh, here's, you know, I want to
recommend podcasting. 2.0 fax DHL unplugged. But you know,
I'll probably pod land, orange pill, you know, I don't know how
many I can do. But I like it. I think that's that's a great way
to build out these networks. It's in the tribe model. That's
almost like, you know, here my affiliated tribes today. Yeah,
because I might want to scalp them tomorrow.
Look at look at it. I look at it like a little bit like
alternative enclosure. It's a thing that needs that should be
there because it's got a lot of care behind it. And it's got a
lot. And it doesn't matter that nobody's going to use it. On day
one, right? That doesn't matter. What What matters is that is
well thought out. And it's a good idea. And so it can be in
the spec is fine. There's things things can be in the spec that
that, that people don't just immediately jump on, because six
months from now, somebody may find it and be like, yeah, this
is this is good. So I'm on board with that now.
So I think it's good and very diplomatic to reach out to our
socialist friends that way.
I mean, they don't have much of you got to me, he got to give
them everything.
Now what? Well, we'll let him into the namespace interface for
but only if they have a vaccine passport. No, just kidding. Just
kidding. Benjamin Griffin, because it's messed up, man. The
whole world is going crazy.
The so the medium tag
that goes live basically, right?
He can't Yeah, I can is calm. And it is a way to signal to the
app. And I think we've talked about this worse way to signal
to the app. What type of content This is. Is it a video? Is it
meant? Is it a audio book? Is it a? Is it a music, an album of
music? Blah, blah, blah. So I've got already, I think I told you
a couple weeks ago, that my son is a bass player in a metal
band. Hmm. And it was going to release his album as a podcast.
Right? And I did that on the index. Oh,
you didn't pick me about that?
I did not. I was I'm surprising you on the show.
Oh, okay.
The name you can just search on it in the index or any of the
many other apps that use us for search
is Apple podcast, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast
from?
Yes, yes. Wherever you get your, your
new podcast apps from wherever you
get your podcasting 2.0 apps, you can search for that it's
called the album is torque on that know the name of the band.
And I believe Don't ask me what this means. I got no idea. These
guys are teenagers. torque on 7004. co n and then just the
number seven. And it's like two words. Search in there. You'll
see the podcast and it's an
RCA NTRTO RC
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C o n space 707 v one one bro.
Yeah, but it's still sir is the word for the number two.
And its first track I have here as Supertramp
Yeah, that can. Yeah, I don't know how to order them in order
to mount this. It's weird, but I don't think they care what the
track order is. So that's the that's the album and it uses the
medium tag. Ah,
how did he How did he get the medium tag?
I hand coded the feed. Oh hell yeah.
That's my audition for the band. Can't wait to listen to that. I
love that. It's cool.
Yeah, it's a thrash metal band a boost boost to the way in the
way it's set up is there's four value blocks. I tried to make
this
bell my goodness I love this day. This is crazy. You're like
blade liner Dad, you're you're doing it with the thrash metal
kid love
it. Yeah. Each one of them the drummer, the bass player, the
guitar player, and the singer. They all each one of them has an
lm pay wallet. So They each have a split. And that's so cool,
first of all, but anyway, the main, the medium tag is in
there. And I thought this will be a good way for people to test
out against this. Because what should happen in this scenario,
the medium tag should say, is music. So what what the app
would be expected to do is display this in a way that makes
sense as a as a as if you were in Spotify or some music,
right, which it doesn't do yet. The app I use doesn't do it.
Obviously, it does. In fact, it only has doesn't have any show
notes. It just has a title, I think.
Yeah, yeah. So that is, anyway, that's a test podcast that
people can use to try to see what their app can do with this
sort of functionality. And
that's a great idea. That's a great idea.
And I'll try to put a couple of more of these test feeds in
there. Because I think that for us feature like this, a test
date is a is a great way to you need something to bounce against
and see.
Yeah, and get the kids working for the organization, you know,
useless otherwise, do something.
I mean, I'm keeping all the money.
Yeah, of course. Are you When are you in the split? Are you
foolishly just put the kids in there? Oh,
man, God, I'm an idiot.
I love that. Very cool. Very, very cool.
I think that's the, I think that that will get us started. And
then we can add, you know, I think we'll have room for you
know, one or two more tags, but okay, I feel good about that. So
far. If if somebody else has a, you know, on with that or thinks
of different, you know,
it's a kind of our schedule now is you're finishing up some
stuff with Eric for the accounting, and then we're going
to spruce up the onboarding.
Yeah, yeah, that's the plan because we've it's coming up but
it's getting close. There's getting further on into the end
of the year. So at some point we're gonna I mean, like the all
those stats, they have come in to the, to the pockets index
node. I mean, that's income so we got to declare and we got to
do all the right stuff by taxes so I had to sort of get Paul's
on development and then go and build this reporting for Eric so
that we can you know, be legally compliant and all those things
and when as soon as I'm done with that, I'll be back but I
did have time though. I did sandwich in the per episode
valuable. I
saw that I saw that I love it. And hopefully my new RSS curious
what did what did he call it was still Curio caster, right. Right
didn't have a different name for it. It is truly a curio caster.
So well. Hopefully, I'll get episode blocks in there soon
that
Gigi is a well known Bitcoin? Sure.
He
wrote a famous book in Bitcoin world called 21 lessons. And he
did all the sort of code review. And on the value block spec,
Ryan namespace right. And he he wrote up the perb that per
episode part of the spec he did, he really has helped me over the
last month and a half to revise that thing, because he really
wants this
what what were the main things that that he added or adjusted
that
it was just wording was really just wording and finding some
inconsistency with the way things were described. It was
really just a lot of
like the whole organization
restrict yourself to only the value space. But anyway, so he
cleaned all that up and made it its final now it's a it's a good
spec. And with that means is we can go ahead and put in we can
finalize the value block in phase four. Now as per episode
splits and it in the first feed and the only fate currently that
has per episode value blocks is closing the loop, which is the
put out by the company that he works for. And they have
actually their second to last episode they had Paul each way
from stack work on it. Oh, really? Oh, cool. Yeah. And each
each one of those episodes like that episode with Paul has Paul
in the split.
So this is really handing out with you. So this there's two
things that I think are the future. And you're that you and
I will be working really closely on is that the splits which, you
know, when you position it in a different light, it's really
digital royalties of the future. Direct from value returned
directly for value received and how It's gonna make such a deep
point about the second thing.
We're going long you're wearing down.
Now it was, it was the it was a split. Oh, and the medium tag?
Oh, yeah, the medium tag because I was only thinking in ways of
different types of medium. But music is so distinct and that
triggering, you know, hold on a second, that triggering a signal
to an app that the app knows Hold on a second. This is a
piece of music. And I can change the way I'm displaying
information or certain information would be relevant or
not. I can actually change the interface to this. I say, suck
it Spotify. This, do you realize how revolutionary that can be?
This is one of the most important episodes we've ever
done. We've invented everything,
invented everything. a tidal wave,
including Firmin first Flat Earth, yes. Good to go. You feel
me though, I mean, how important
that is 100%. But the first thing I think of is Random
Access Memories that that album by Daft Punk. So that album has
quite a few tracks. Maybe 75% of the tracks have a guest artists
Oh,
yeah. There was lawsuits over over that album. Oh, really? Oh,
my goodness. It's like all kinds of lawsuits because it had so
many people attributed to it. And still there were samples
that that were left out. And as we say in the music business,
when you have a hit you get the writ. Oh, yeah, people just sue
you. Hey, that sounds like my song man. Vanilla Ice come here.
Yeah. That see, so that album, just take simplifying it down to
it was death punk. And one in one guest artist on this on this
track. There's your splits.
Exactly.
And then they're getting royalties in perpetuity from
every
every single time that yeah, that episode is listen to
exactly the right boom. But I mean, I just don't i don't want
to push ahead. But when you get Oh, my god that is so was it.
Ask gates who's been pushing for the medium tag? Yeah, yeah.
Okay. Documenting, documenting.
Our doing you're doing a good job on this kind of like, this
morning. I have to document this a medium tag.
Did he come up with it? Good. We call that inventor.
inventor.
You get absolutely nothing with it. Except least they don't
misquote you 20 years from now or you get screwed up. That's
the thing that I hated the most. No, excuse me. Stop smoking. So
it's all coming out now.
Those two things is beautiful.
Yeah, because you know, that's where we get into we can finally
do more call justice with a documentary just so we could
tell the app Hey, display this may be in a 16 by nine or
embiggen the window or anything like that, you know the way you
might expect the documentary to run which would mean probably
you know default with the with chapters I don't know I mean,
there's I I'm just shooting from the hip now but and then music
you know, categorize it by or sorted in this particular
fashion.
You know, as hell my god that is so cool. Yeah, you build you
build the you're an app base layer,
and then you can do book and then audio book PDF. All of a
sudden, your app is showing a PDF with a great interface to
browse through a book or audio book.
You what we're doing now is building the base layer for
what's coming next.
Which is they have no idea what's coming next.
Which is bored.
what is coming next cannot be stopped this is this is a q&a
thing.
That was that a phrase from Cubana?
Yeah it's like WIC and CSC Oh yeah, I know it's like yeah
where we go one we go all but it's now what is coming cannot
be stopped and that's that's true. I believe now with
everything I'm seeing the momentum cannot be stopped Apple
is to be ignored at this point. The listeners our listeners are
checking out other apps they're not standing for this and not
standing for hours of delay
with ISO infamous information war
we are in an information war. I want to cut that down. So the
this lesson let's Have a gap.
This this is from like Australia news. This thing is, I'm in love
with Australian news. What whatever I have no idea what
they're talking about or whatever all this stuff is going
on locally. But it's it's like incredible. The guy has this
amazing voice and then they read headlines and tweets in other
amazing voices like so there's a clip Australia reading headlines
play that one
is this where do you watch this on YouTube?
yes some YouTube video think James link to it but I can't I
can't stop I watched like three or four of them.
last second I boosted a little bit here. Multiple Greyhound
track upgrades renew focus on animal welfare.
It's like they that was
about great. That was a word Greyhound dog track racing.
Yeah. They're like saying a new story. It's I think it's one of
these shows that like analyzes the news. Of course, it's the
journalism. Yeah. So then they they show that the tweet, and
they read it in these super dramatic voices. And like I so
hiding the truth. I do though.
The government and the media are hiding the truth.
Like there's a there's like a million of these. I just had to
make myself stop. Oh, no. Yes.
Yeah, well, I get different Australia news and none of it's
good. They just got another six weeks of restrictions and
sellers that had in Sydney, Sydney. Yeah. New South Wales.
Yeah. Man. Yeah. Wow, this the zero COVID policy is a tough nut
to crack. Yeah.
Yeah, man. I feel sorry for those guys. We know a lot of
people in Australia.
Hell yeah.
Oh, yeah. I feel I feel sorry that they sit there. Can't get
out. And go visit the rest of the world. And anyway, you got
anything else?
No, I think that's pretty we've we've done a good job together.
So next week, we're still trying to figure it out. I'm going to
the Netherlands will be the first time I've seen my daughter
in 18 months. I'm really excited about that. Her birthday is on
the 27th. But that is Friday. So we're gonna see we're gonna
figure something out. But we might have to skip one board
meeting. And then after that, we got to cool a couple of cool
guests coming up.
Yeah, we've got do we want to say or just leave this? Leave it
as a surprise.
Okay. Yeah. So they'll see it in the minutes from this meeting.
My lips are sealed.
Alright, Dave, have a great weekend, man.
Me too.
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