podcasting 2.0 for September 17 2021, Episode 54 Power to the
People. Okay, maybe not as cryptic as some might think.
Everybody is time once again, it's the board meeting of
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namespace and of course, the gossip and the good stuff from
podcasts index dot social. I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of
Hill Country, Texas, and in Alabama, whatever you do, don't
call him Tiny Tim Say hello to my friend on the other end Mr.
Dave Jones. You Yo, what up? Did you see the game yesterday?
Yeah, no, I watched the MTV Video Music Awards foolishly.
Okay, I was trying to be more manly because we like we went
all emotional last week.
Now, I'd like you did a live sad puppy and that paid off man did
a good job.
By the end of the show. I mean, like we were we were like one
step away from crying from dirty dancing.
We were gonna crack open a Chardonnay and have a rough day.
Yeah. Yeah, so this is a special a special board meeting. Reason
being I forget what was your problem this Friday?
We're going to be in Chicago. Oh yeah. Melissa we we our
anniversary was last month so we didn't have a chance to do
anything for it. So we're going to riot fest
oh my goodness Music Fest Yeah, Chicago. Oh wow. You know the
keepers got Oh, right. Are they saying you need to be vaccinated
is that the
they said they're going to have testing you can have either a
negative test or vaccine going negative test and they said they
would have testing at the gate?
gate? Yes. That's interesting was just like yeah, coffin my
direction. No, you're good. Well, it tells me it does take a
few minutes at least it said 20 to 30 minutes Okay, well if they
could do that the gate that'll be really interesting. I
am afraid of this review like a repeat of our Bitcoin Miami
conference gate.
Bitcoin fire festival is that what you mean? Yes, exactly. And
I would suggest getting a test outside of the at the gate
business.
Well, they said that you could have you could do the at home
test. But what you have to do is get the test like take the test
at home and then and then do their little submit it through
an app and get an email and I'm like,
Yeah, I wouldn't trust that that's what I like about Rogen.
He just has a nurse there he's just sit there and she does the
whole thing and gives you the results and just hang out
Yeah, we're not we're not fancy enough to have we are nowhere
near
the nurse level. Wait a minute. That depends of course. Get a
nurse for Tiny Tim Yeah, nice All right, ma'am. So and we have
a guest today who we're going to be talking to in a moment and
and we need to work we Yes we do. We need to coordinate some
some schedule some time. Since he's he's on the other side of
the firmament.
What is it with us and Australians? I mean, oh, I can
tell you is the center of the podcast Bitcoin universe for
some reason?
Well first of all, I'm happy that we have our allies with us
because the French were definitely starting to make some
noise in podcasting, you know, cast a pod guys and we have to
push them back a bit with some English speaking people. English
is in quotes there is right. To me. What we'll talk about it. I
think Australians have some very similar qualities to Americans.
I think so too.
So it's it's really born from rebellion. Yeah, exactly. The
pioneering spirit, the rebellion, you know, the slave
bracelets, all of that stuff is very much like America. That Do
we need to talk about any? Anything in the namespace?
Because I know we kind of we didn't get to that we just
talked about namespace for being being up.
Yeah, let's see. I had a bunch of stuff listed out to talk
about last week that you didn't even get to in my real Bhumi and
here's this you know, memo?
Yeah, you're in the bunker video here. Yeah. It's a little boom
Yeah. You don't have anything on the walls yet. You need to use
some stuff on the wall. Yeah, I
got I got nothing in here.
In do what we used to do when we were kids, egg cartons.
I've got this. I got this little thing. Is this how But Oh,
no. What is that?
Is this any different?
I don't know. Yeah, a little bit. A little bit. Yeah, sounds
better.
I can like stuff this behind the mic. Oh, yeah, I
was gonna say what I do in any hotel room. Just put a pillow
behind the mic. Good to go. Sounds like you're perfect. It's
your spot on. I don't even I don't even I don't even hear the
drywall.
I fix that with with 75 cents for the phone. Yeah, I got a
bunch of stuff here. One thing we need to talk about is pod
paying. Not necessarily namespace quick. But like, at
Alex, he released pod pain pipe writer, right like 1.0? Yeah.
Dan? Yeah. The Hive writer. Yeah. Nice.
Now, this is this is a script that you can run that will write
to the blockchain live way.
Yeah, what this is, so for people who don't understand sort
of the chain of, of components in in pod pain.
Maybe, maybe we should explain what it is first, just a
refresher of what pod ping does. Yeah,
pod ping, takes incoming feed URLs, podcast feed URLs, and
writes them to the hive blockchain. And the reason it
does that is because hive is a public blockchain. And anybody
can read from it. But you can only write to it if you have
record posting keys. And so that's the way that it works to
what you have, what you need, is you need some way to get these
URLs and place them on the blockchain in a in a way that
you're using posting keys that are meant to have been blessed
by a sort of a master posting account. And I'll take it
one step back, just for one second, the concept behind pod
ping is to circumvent the issues Apple is having as an example.
So or, or any aggregator instead of having to go and check 4
million feeds, we have over four and a half million, or have
schedules when it's most efficient, which is just a huge
waste of resources, because all you're doing is checking to see
if something's new, instead of this being a pool operation. pod
ping turns this around. And the hosting companies or even self
posters can send their URL through the system. And then
that in theory gets picked up well certainly gets picked up by
podcast index, but by any other aggregator making the full
publish to App round trip time about 40 seconds instead of two
days with Apple sometimes.
And I'll say that I do not for the life of me understand why
this has not proceeded fast, like more adoption faster. I
just do not understand it. It's a no that. I know that big
players are looking at it. But honestly, I mean, this is a this
is a rapid feed update notification system that is
built specifically for podcasts. And
it's decentralized by its very nature. Yes.
So that's that's the decentralized part is the part
that Alex is working on. Specifically, this one
component, the part that takes I've, excuse me the part that
takes the URL and writes it to hive to the blockchain. But he
didn't that's the part of the he's been darker rising and
cleaning up the code and re engineering everything to make
it bulletproof.
Oh, cool. So I can just load a Docker and then fire off a
script and it'll work.
Exactly nice. Yes. And you'll have you'll have a set of
posting keys Browns already made you so you get high power. You
already have.
I have high power. high power.
Yes, every anime vision you can think of you have this now.
Cool. So any like what this is at 1.0. Now he released it
today. Nice. I haven't even had a chance to load it yet. But so
what what pod pink cloud does is takes that component hive writer
and puts a front end on it for HTTP and an author in an
authentication mechanism. And it makes it where hosts don't have
to run their own. They don't have to run the hive writer
themselves will Whoa. It's like, it's like us hosting it for
them.
Right. Or I could host it for them. Anybody could host the
hive writer for Yeah,
yeah, exactly. So that's that pink cloud is just the hive
writer with a web server front end on it. Got it. Cool. Yeah.
Yeah. So and his his progress on that now allows me to go and
modify the front end To fit the next step of what we're doing
with live notifications, and all that kind of stuff,
we're really in a very interesting place. If you just
look at the the overall media podcast reporting, the stories,
the trends, we're in a place when I, you know, I feel these
things very much the vibe on different apps and services. And
I would say we're in a spot right now, where Apple is seen
as you as the boomer app, like this thing. Yeah, yeah, it's
just crusty. You know, it's not really fresh the way that people
expected the refresh to be Spotify is just getting
slaughtered everywhere. As as not a great podcast app. Not a
great experience, I would say. And this is, you know, of
course, I smile about this and think Well, yeah, and new
podcast apps calm. That's where everybody should go find
something new. It may not be the slickest just yet, but man,
we've got cool features. We're really, really making the
experience something new. And I'm excited about the live tag
for the next step. Yeah, I
really want to get let us be the guinea pig on that. I mean, we
feel like we can
this show. Yeah. Oh, okay. All right. All right. Well, I
mean, we got so what we need to Steven, only Steven B. To help
us put live tag into Curio blaster. Yep. Then we can throw
that in there. And then as soon as I get pod ping cloud,
engineered to send a live notification. We can get we can
get that thing a shot. And
I can just give a stream URL as the enclosure. Is that
the idea? Yeah, it'll be an alternate enclosure. Love it. By
the
way. Thank you, Steven B. I published no agenda, I think
already told everyone that did that with the RSS generator,
built into Curio caster very enjoyable experience. There's
one thing that that I forgot is the channel image. And within an
hour, Steven had put in a sync channel Image button. big red
button works really well. And I think what I saw him post is
that he's going to do with you right now if you want to create
a new episode, you can copy the previous episodes contents, I
think now that you know now upon loading the entire feed, he'll
also pull in the value blocks which would be incredibly cool
to be able to have that as a template cuz there's a lot more
options than I was comfortable with for putting it in for the
last show, as we promised, and then we all got busy, I guess.
Well, there we need to ask our guest today.
Yeah, for like a lightning node. Yeah. If not, then we'll give
him one. Yeah. I've got my
make this stuff work.
So we've already talked talk so much about why we just bring
them in. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Hold on a second. Do you have the
keys? Wait.
Yeah, there you go.
Oh, no, no, that's not that's not the right one.
That's a big kitchen. It's a big one. Those big jam.
There we go. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the
board room. The man who has more degrees than a Texas summer sun
Bitcoin evangelists. He's a BMG, and me and GSC and an MBA and an
element op. Please welcome hosmer cook.
Great to be here. Thanks for having us. Big fan. Big fan of
what you guys do. And yeah, can't wait to rip in we'll be
hitting the boost plenty of times today. I'm sure.
Oh, man. He's already he's already into the into the
league. Now Haas is it has Haas Haas, how do you how do we
pronounce your first very unique?
Yeah, it has like mess. Okay. Has so like there's that that
like the that? I always say? Like the avocado. So there's an
avocado that like the popular branded avocados? Yeah, the Hass
type avocado.
The reason I said Hoss is because we have Haas racing in
the United States. Yes, yes. spelled the same way not doing
they're not doing too well.
They're not doing too well. The Formula One at least in the US.
touchy subject. So you're in in Australia, I think it's morning
for you. And we really appreciate you coming on Dave
set this whole thing up. And he's, I'm actually gonna let
Dave get us going here because I think Dave was the one who
really was concerned about getting some good information
about Bitcoin in general, which we always love getting but also
about the energy consumption, you are the man to go to and
lots of people are excited about this interview.
Yeah. So one of the reasons I wanted to get you on has is
because in especially in podcasting, there's a lot of
like environmental, social awareness around, you know, just
energy usage and climate change and all this kind of thing. And
I know that whenever it's a topic now, I mean, it's been for
a while, but really sort of the Fudd has been escalating. You
got you have articles in the New York Times now just led this
past week about Bitcoin in you're using more energy than
100 whole countries and all this kind of jazz. And so, you know,
I think a lot of it, if you read through it a lot of is just your
typical sort of Fudd that I want I wanted to get you on, because
I know some people within the podcast world are going to be
concerned about that we don't want to maybe maybe we should
jump to this other crypto or something that's less, you know,
environmentally damaging. But I really do feel like a lot of it.
A lot of the stuff right now specifically, a lot of it is
just, it's just fun. I mean, I read the New York Times article,
I don't know if you saw it, but I mean, there's some of this
stuff, and there was just lies, it's just flat out not true.
So, so like a lot of it. So So here's the thing. So here's a
cover or statement, which I think will will, will set the
tone for the rest of the podcast. So these people are not
interested in energy. People are interested in power.
Oh, wow, I love that.
Okay, and then, and then that this sets the tone for the rest
of the conversation, because the numbers are what the numbers
are. And the numbers are coming out of our ears. It's how the
numbers are framed. Right? So if these guys actually cared about
energy, like Bitcoin doesn't use any energy, like, sure, maybe it
uses as much as Ireland, but Ireland doesn't use any energy.
Yeah, yeah, I love those comparisons is like how much
Island doesn't they still use candles? But yeah, Bitcoin is
more.
So one of the one of the things that I like about your approach,
though, is you focus, you tend to focus on emissions. Because
you can, you can claim energy usage in a lot of different
ways. So like, for instance, a lake, I mean, a lake is is a
huge consumer of energy, solar and geothermal, it consumes a
lot of energy, but its emissions output is negligible. So the
energy consumption doesn't really doesn't really tell you
anything about his impact on the environment, it's really
emissions output, and you you tend to you show in a lot of
your material that the emissions output of Bitcoin is very small,
yet so so again, so going back to the coverall, statement,
power versus, versus versus energy, because this is more of
a of a quest for power and control and whatnot. You know, a
lot of effort has been put into, and a lot of success has been
had in conflating terms. So the conflation of the word energy,
and the word electricity. To a lot of these people, it means
the exact same thing, whereas, you know, all, all electricity
is energy, but not all energy is electricity. So on the contrary,
only about 20% of the energy we produce as a civilization is
electric energy. The rest is transport hate, and waste. But
now they've conflated, you know, electricity and, and an energy.
That's a bad thing. They've also conflated energy with emissions.
And you know, all energy use is dirty. And the only way we can
clean ourselves is by stop, like, using energy.
My favorite my favorite house is conflation of carbon dioxide,
which is now just carbon. Yeah, it's another one. That's one of
my favorites.
And, and not just that, carbon dioxide with greenhouse gases.
Like it like, again, it's like electricity and energy. So all
carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, but not all greenhouse
gases are carbon dioxide, right? Yeah, you know, for example, is
a huge one. So so because of the conflation of electricity and
energy, people think that Bitcoin needs electricity to
run. This is incorrect. Bitcoin just needs energy to run and
therefore Bitcoin can eat methane from a from a natural
gas flare, for example. So it's so so this is basically also
what the debate is. So Adam, Dave, I'm on the clock here.
I've got 30 seconds, explained the profundity of Bitcoin to me
and the justification of his energy use go.
Okay, I hide this Adam Curry Hill Country, Texas. I'm going
to answer this by saying, I think it's because Bitcoin fixes
everything.
This Explain God and give three examples.
So this is this is basically where we're stuck. So yeah,
like, you know, what's what's the right approach to answering
you know, answering this Fudd I suppose, you know, as as Bitcoin
and as a as a Bitcoin community, there is no there's no such
thing as as a wrong approach to answering this Fudd as long as
you know more and more people do it in their own particular way,
I think we will eventually, you know, break down a lot of
barriers, but but I feel that the whole debate is just
hamstrung because of the of the pollution in, in the
definitions. All the waters have been muddied. And it's very,
it's very difficult to define, you know, what the terms of this
of this discussion, even our I think
there's also a pure problem in the difference between Bitcoin
economics, the network, how it functions, and which of course,
has pros and cons for certain people who I think there's
people who are genuinely concerned about the environment
or power. I'm good either way, I have my own thoughts about it.
So the friends The New York Times article, both of those
people were climatologist they work at NGOs, you know, it was
all three people. They were really just anything to be in
the in the papers saying, Oh, well, you know, it was almost a
virtue signal article. Then there's a lot of people who use
that argument, Elizabeth Warren, Senator Warren as an example, to
discredit Bitcoin, where she is really much more interested in
the monetary aspect. And, and I think she's one of the people
who is behind the CBC, or CBD, central bank, digital currency
bill from a year and a half ago. So this this these different
camps. And it's one thing to have to explain to a banker who
just hates Bitcoin and only sees the US dollar, because they have
complete control over making it versus someone who says, Well,
I'm a democratic socialist, here are my questions. Isn't isn't it
true that eventually, only the rich people will have all the
Bitcoin, and it's going to kill us within 10 years because of
climate change? So those are kind of the two things that I
deal with. And both have to be approached in a different way, I
think,
Oh, yeah, absolutely. Like, the thing is, like, you know, sit me
down with a, with a socialist, who is genuine, who is a genuine
socialist, and is genuine about socialism, and its goals and all
that kind of stuff. And also sit me down, like with a genuine
environmentalist, or just 15 to 20 minutes, and I'll have both
of them signing up for a job at Great American mining
stack and stats.
Because Because seriously, if you are concerned about the
environment, really genuinely concerned about like, you know,
global warming and the future, and, and like, and you are not a
Bitcoin or you are not a serious person,
can you explain this?
Sort of, for example, so, yeah, like plastic pollution, we order
all this, you know, cheap ship from China, ends up in
landfills, spend spend, spend, we got to have inflation. And,
you know, none of that is causing global warming. It's,
it's my VA, that's like that's causing global warming. It's not
like it's not the actual, you know, Fiat monetary system
itself. You know, ridiculously Miss allocating capital, cheap
money, money out of thin air, just driving by, by by spend,
spend spend. So, you listed, you know, some of my some of my
credentials early on. Yes. So, I'm not getting into
credentialism but one of those was was a was B and which is my,
my Bachelor of Engineering. So I was, you know, and still am a
civil engineer two days a week these days. But when I was doing
my environmental engineering subjects,
there's a lot of work there these days for the civil
engineers narra K. barricades there.
But the but the main focus, like, like when we were doing
like environmental management, you know, like coursework was
like running out of stuff.
Right? Yeah. Like we
are running out of shit basically, like, so when when
when the term says that we came up with sustainability, right,
which is like a term that's come up from like the 70s and 80s. It
basically meant to say we are running out of shit. We are
running out of fresh water. We're like we're running out of
stuff. Like we need to be sustainable. Right? And we've
lost all of this, like we've got it like, like, you'd have to
talk to a civil engineer to really like understand the
beauty like of landfilled. And like landfill technology and how
many billions of lives have been saved, you know, through urban
sanitation. Like, we need to stop throwing things away like
that sustainability. And we cannot move, like, to a
sustainable society without sustainable money. Yeah, so
totally agree. So like, so if you're not a Bitcoin, or like,
you're not a serious, you know, environmentalist, you're not a
serious socialist. What the socialists forget is if I have a
million Bitcoin, and you know, I decided to like, you know, build
a naval, you know, Empire, a evil capitalist, you know, pig
Empire or whatever. Like, if I spend this million Bitcoin,
like, there's no reprints for me, like, I have to figure out a
way to make this million Bitcoin back, and most likely, I won't.
So if they want, like, fair bell curve, wealth distribution, like
I'm not gonna say, it's gonna happen in a year, but in 1000
years, yeah, Bitcoin will probably have like a good bell
curve distribution, with like, three standard deviations away
from the mean, like ultra super whale rich, you know, 3%, three
standard deviations from the mean, on the other side, like,
you know, super poor, but you have a big enough strong enough
like middle class that can, you know, look after the ultra poor
without needing like, government intervention. Like I really do
believe that the only way to this utopia is through Bitcoin
and, and even Bitcoin is not a quick way there. But it's
probably our strongest weapon, like in the fight to get there.
So for people that believe what I believe, yeah, fuckin a, let
it use as much power as Argentina.
That's one thing that I would add that I was thinking about
today is, I mean, even if, even if the worst case points brought
up by, you know, by bitcoins detract, or the energy
detractors from Bitcoin were true, may not throw out, do a
lot of this stuff lately, because it's just, it's just not
true. But even if even if some of these things were true, that
still doesn't mean that Bitcoin should be stopped or attacked,
or, or, you know, that kind of thing. Because some things are
just worth spending the world's energy on things like, I mean,
we have, there are things that are worth spending energy on
food, clothes, vaccines, air conditioning, house
construction, I mean, we spend resources, devise energy and
resources, devising ways to make those things better all the
time. And to me, if you can spend resources on a better
money, better money is one of those things that's worth
spending energy on have having a money that doesn't, you know,
harm people through inflation, and politically motivated
banking and on all the Million Ways that that governments have
screwed up money. That to me that's worth spending energy on.
Is it probably we've people have been put under a spell. Now this
is what happens when you have very powerful forces who are
100%, anti Bitcoin, have just launched this with all of these
comparisons, as you say, yeah, sure, Ireland, Okay, great, they
don't use any energy, they don't really don't use much. I don't
even know if, if that's the right approach to some of these,
some of these questions, I just feel like we have to come at it
from a very different way, instead of always on the
defensive, I that's why I kind of like the idea of you know, if
you can easily explain moving forward, how it solves all these
problems, which is just hard and it has to be individualized. But
maybe you should just take a different tactic and just club
these people over the head and move on.
So that's what it says. So that's why I'm saying like,
eventually, though, you will have like, you know, a socialist
that has been sat down and orange pilled and he goes and
orange pills, his socialist friends in their socialist way.
You know, the beauty of Bitcoin not having a marketing
department is that we are the marketing department, right?
There's just no cmo telling us what to do. We just, you know,
work for Bitcoin. And, like, off we go, you know, like, and, you
know, you know, with with time, eventually, like, the numbers
like the numbers start to speak for themselves. Now, I'm not,
I'm not a fan of like, rules and you know, forcing people to do
things but I think Anyone that writes an article similar to
like the New York Times article, like from last week should also
be forced to short Bitcoin. They don't have to disclose what how
big their short position is because they do have to disclose
that a short has been opened based on their research into
like coming up with these things. So anyone that tells you
like Bitcoin uses as much, you know, per transaction as a house
that uses two months, like I tell them to go and short
Bitcoin.
Let me let me break here's a here's an example that we keep
talking about this. Some of these articles that have they've
come out with with so here's one example from the New York Times
article is globally, estimates of bitcoins you use of
renewables range from about 40%, almost 75%. But in general,
experts say using renewable energy to power Bitcoin mining
means it won't be available to power a home or a factory or an
electric car. That's just the dumbest statement ever. If so,
if I've got 10 solar panels on my house, that means this 10
less than the guy down the street can have on his house. I
mean, is that what we're talking about? I mean, it's just like
childhood level stuff.
Ya know, that like that one that one is, is like definitely like,
like, that one's just a straight out lie. Bitcoin is generally
speaking non rival. The Yes, Bitcoin does use a lot of solar
and wind. But the reason it does is because it buys the solar and
wind very cheaply, and advise it very cheaply, because this solar
and wind would have probably gone to waste otherwise. So
it's, it's definitely not taking taking away from like charging a
kid's toy car. But in terms of charging, like vehicle vehicles,
like here are the numbers. So remember how I told you not all
energy is electricity. So in terms of the the whole world's
grid, we make 26,000 terawatt hours of energy per year, so
26,000 just you know, road vehicles, passenger vehicles
worldwide needs about 26,000 by itself. So to get every
passenger vehicle turned electric and charging on the
grid, we need to double the world's grid. And we haven't
started on trucks yet.
Right? Right. You know, wait, wait, wait, this is gonna
deliver a great new high paying union jobs. The green new deal
was gonna be groovy
Yes, super groovy.
How does a good decent civil engineer get wrapped up in this
evil Bitcoin? What happened? When did you get orange pilled
So, so I've I just finished the get this have a have a look at
how hilarious This is. So again, this isn't correct. You can read
credentialism and humble bragging This is probably a
confession of regret. So I sat through a one year MBA program
at the University of Oxford, right, starting in September
2012. And I did not hear the word Bitcoin mentioned
once. Oxford everybody. Yeah,
I discovered it in my summer break. During my MBA on Reddit,
and the Winklevoss twins, they finished their MBA at Oxford the
year before me so they were the outgoing class and during my MBA
at Oxford of all places, right you just you know, quote unquote
elite MBA you pay all this money to go and like basically if
they're not teaching you Bitcoin, they're not teaching
you anything really. But, but basically, soon as i as soon as
I read about it, I you know, I said I was a civil engineer
before worked on mega projects. So I like built like the the
Sydney DSL plant, highway projects, rail projects, you
know, because I always had this you know, fetish for, you know,
having like having as much impact like as possible being
you know, being an environmentalist, being socially
responsible, all that kind of stuff. But yeah, when I found
Bitcoin, I said this is the only infrastructure worth worrying
about. Nothing, there is nothing more important than Bitcoin.
Like yet wells are important highways are important, but
nothing is more important than Bitcoin.
He said a couple of your articles that I think people
should read. One of them is called Bitcoin energy use versus
other industries. You can look at this this one I thought was
really good too is projecting bitcoins future future energy,
use I think that one is excellent. You said something
you said in here, you said in 10 short years, it's likely that
Bitcoin won't admit anything at all. Can you? Yes. Is that too
big of a thing for you to run through real quick?
Not at all. So So basically, the all people need to know is that
the world of Bitcoin mining is as brutally competitive, as you
can imagine. Absolute cutthroat, a race to the absolute bottom.
If you can't get your hardware at absolute rock bottom prices,
you have to get your energy at rock bottom prices. And the
trend is energy at rock bottom prices is tending to be
renewable. Most likely by the end of the decade, not because
they're environmentalists, like miners probably don't give a
shit about the environment. Just maybe they do. Who knows, but
it'll be just cheaper to use curtailed solar and wind because
it's going to waste anyway. And not only that, the oil field is
a very real thing. Eating up all of this methane, so if you would
have to use all of the world's methane so all of the world's
vented methane could power Bitcoin 20 times. And and if we
would actually pipe all of the vented methane into like Bitcoin
mines, we might accidentally probably cause, you know, global
cooling.
That may be coming anyway, whenever the government says
warm, I go cold. Yeah. And I'm old enough to remember when it
was going to be the global cooling. So I'm just a little
confused there. What I find fascinating with and learning a
little bit more about how grids work. I lived in Texas through
the snow Snowmageddon where we were without electricity for
several days, for five days, it was quite interesting, we were
not known was prepared for Ford. Now, as that turns out, that's
also been highly politicized. Because as you look under the
hood, it really has nothing to do with the infrastructure. It
was really more about the exchange, and basically, Enron,
shady ness, and people just not turning shit on because they
couldn't make enough money on it. But as I've learned about
it, I see that, you know, of course, good republicans that
everybody is here, we pitched the mono, it's the William
wooden Mills, they froze. But what I've come to learn is that
the windmills are actually a problem, because they have to be
turned off at certain times during the day, because they're
just generating too much electricity, the grid can't take
it. Because balance,
it's it's quite funny. So like, there's a concept. It's called,
like grid congestion. People ask me, you know, what's grid
congestion? I say, you know, what's road congestion? I say,
well, when the roads fall by say exactly, there's a limit to
like, how many electrons you can put into a wire.
And it has to be balanced, and it has to be balanced and supply
has to be within the range of the demand.
So so you know, and that's like, that's a it's only developing.
But this is an area where like, Bitcoin will show its true
colors as being that source of, of balance. Exactly.
And this is, this is what I want to ask you, if it's even
possible, I noticed your field of expertise. So now I'm seeing
people talking about and implementing the containers, you
know, very much like the methane burn off. So they take the
container to the wind farm, hey, you know, you guys, you got to
shut it down. No, don't just power our stuff or mind for a
bit everybody, everybody's happy. In California, the people
who were sold this grandiose deal, have put solar panels on
your home, you you can sell it back to the grid. That's now
over. Now, the grid guys are saying, No, we're gonna charge
you instead of giving instead of letting buying it from you, is
there a way? Right is even feasible with just dreams that I
have, that we could somehow harness all of that excess solar
panel energy that people are going to get dinged for and
converted into mining and some efficient way? Or would that
really have to be decentralized people running machine to their
own home?
So I know, at the, like, at the home level. I know, like, in
over the other side of the of the of the iron curtain up in
Brisbane, there's a there's a suburb in Brisbane, like the
government has shelled out, like 8000 bucks per home as a grant.
If each home installed like a $25,000, solar and battery
array, and they were to mate and they were going to test out a
virtual grid between the 60 homes. Oh, okay. Like betting
terms, but in terms of like Bitcoin as a balancing tech.
Like it's underneath our noses. Yeah, it's
right there.
It's everywhere. But the So here's an example i a local
example I have so in the city of Adelaide, in Australia, small
small city, very, very high renewable content by quite
random, you know, you know, power supply versus the demand.
So there are times of the day where the an electricity
provider will pay you to take electricity. So you don't really
need a container, you don't really need a set up, you just
find a existing industrial unit.
They need to imbalance so they're gonna pay peep, it's
just like negative interest rates, this is great, basically.
So you're not mining, so you're not mining all day, right? Just
whenever they lay you for it, obviously, you factor this into
your average costs, you find yourself like a little
industrial unit, you get yourself like maybe a little
high upfront cost, but extremely low maintenance, immersion bike
rack, so you're still probably talking maybe 200 grands worth
of kit to like, make it you know, worthwhile to actually pay
rent, you know, add an industrial unit. And, and, and,
and that's basically it, that's, that's enough for basically a
one man band, like kind of investment and like, you know,
find little places, wherever, wherever you can find it,
that's, that's becoming quite popular. Now, hiring out an
empty unit that already has electrical info already in
place, you know, whacking, you know, 30 boosted up, this
NINETEEN'S immersed and you rarely have to check on him.
And, and, and it's great. So, so look, where there's money to be
made, where there's profit to be made, like, I don't believe in
that efficient market hypothesis. I like there's
always ways of money to be made that people haven't found yet.
And so long as there's money to be made, like, I don't want to
get to philosophy, philosophical over here and be a dick. But I
just want to talk about like, energy. Like, just, you know,
the rabbit hole that is the concept of energy. to like, this
is, you know, the, it's, you know, the entire universe
somehow constituted together, like, you know, it formed life,
you know, life evolved, you know, into us. And for the past
100 or, you know, odd 1000 years, we've been figuring out
better ways to like harness it, you know, to grow our
civilization. So, energy is a is a extremely, extremely amazing
and humbling thing. And really, it's, it's the only thing, it's
the only thing that matters. So as long as there's ways to, you
know, to make energy to make money. You know, Bitcoin will,
will, will will be a winner.
What do you see in the field of a nuclear infusion, I guess
what's also being talked about now?
So nuclear is is one of my favorites. Because of you know,
nimbyism, like it's unfortunately Doa like that that
propaganda war has has unfortunately been lost. I
think.
That's, I like it a lot. I want the backyard nuke have kept up
with those developments is getting getting pretty doable
for a neighborhood.
Yeah, I used to think the first guy that, you know, the, that
the inventor of the backyard nuke, I thought he'd be the
first trillionaire but I think Satoshi will get there first.
Now, but the world is an energy place. So eventually, so what
like, in a perfect, like, my perfect world, where like, you
know, my brain, like, you know, is, uh, you know, has ascended
to the next level and it's the year you know, 20 2300 or
whatever it is, and humans have like a big mastery of you know,
energy and technology, like I say, like the the pursuit of
Bitcoin, like taking up the majority of our harnessed
energy.
Wow. Like, I
think the energy industry will develop in terms of like, we
don't have enough energy on earth to like to mine
Why are they not doing this around plants? Why are these Why
are the energy companies not doing this already? Look,
volatility
is my is my opinion. So in the long, long ago, so like as part
of my like life as a civil engineer, I spent three years in
the toll road business. So basically, you know, the toll
road business is great for a pension fund, so the pension
funds all invested in toll roads, because like they know by
the day, like what their cash flow is, and, you know, they can
match this cash flow, you know, with their pension liabilities.
And, you know, the average, you know, retiree, you know, is
claiming their, you know, is taking their, you know, the
perpetual cash flow for, you know, 2530 years, they need an
asset that, you know, lives that long, so tollroad is perfect.
Now, a power plant is also perfect. So, you know, you build
a nuclear power plant, it's all good. And you've got, you know,
mining clients, you know, for whatever it is for at least
three years, or sorry, for at least 30 years. And that's, you
know, fantastic.
And that's, that's my next question the mining formula with
the with the havening. And so, you know, the reward gets cut in
half, and then I think we'd rather have two and a half,
three years to go for the next one. And just back of the
napkin, like 2130 2140, maybe we'll be around the final
Bitcoin to be mined, how will energy consumption change over
time? Do you have any view on that?
So so my view, so it's the it's the long term equilibrium view.
So long term equilibrium, like in EQ, and as an economic
concept is like something we never reached just like an
ideal, because of the nature of competition, and, and it is
perfect, it will be in mining, you'd expect that in long term
equilibrium, the average cost to mine a coin, or rather, the cost
expended to collect, you know, the fee revenue, at that point,
whatever the reward is, will be equal like the market price of
bitcoin? Right? There's always going to be somebody alive,
waking up in the morning saying, okay, you know, I have, you
know, X dollars to dry mine Bitcoin, or do I buy it?
Will it still be the same amount of energy consumption as we move
through that curve? Or does that remain constant?
Look, like hard to tell. But the thing is, like, if it's clean,
who cares?
Right? If there's zero emissions, if this is basically
free of call, you know, free of Vini harmful effect or call,
it's
still very important, like it is of utmost importance, that work
is done. But like, if it's clean, emission free work for
what it's worth, like, you know, it doesn't matter if, if
civilization is using half of its energy to secure its base
money. Like, I don't think that's a bad thing. That makes
me sleep very well at night, that, you know, half of people's
energy is going into making sure that like I, you know, I can
stay sovereign and not inflated and my money secure, like, on
the contrary use 90%. for all I care.
Yeah, it's all about education. I mean, people have no idea. The
same democrats socialists, who I speak to, do not even know that
the Federal Reserve is they don't understand how money is
created. They just they don't know where it's coming from.
There's 00 knowledge of this. And, you know, for us, you know,
I mean, maybe for over a decade, I've been saying, Oh, you know,
Federal Reserve is is governmental is Federal Express,
it still works, you can still make that gag and people go what
really I know that. So there's, it's, it's such a head, it's
hard for people to wrap their head around when they don't
really understand money at all.
Yeah, look, to understand Bitcoin, you have to understand,
like, so many things. So like, I always, like, you could like go
back to satoshis resignation. So he's, you know, like, he's,
there's a famous Bitcoin talk forum post of his back in 2010.
You know, they'll be writing a press release, slash dot. And,
and he was saying, you know, sorry to be a wet blanket. You
know, writing a description for this thing for general audiences
is bloody hard. Yeah, there's nothing to relate it to. Right.
So So even though I've been a culprit, you know, of comparing,
you know, Bitcoin to other things, or you know, you know,
using analogies comparing it to like a startup business, by
default, every comparison like anyone ever makes, like any take
on Bitcoin, by default is going to be a shitty take, sometimes
useful, but like there is nothing there is nothing nothing
we can comprehend. That is like Bitcoin, sort of sort of, to be
put on the clock and say, you know, justify why it uses point
1% of the world's energy in 30 seconds. Like it's a, it's a
very, very difficult task. But you know, some context can at
least be set, especially when you look at, you know, the other
big industries. So just like, you know, Bitcoin uses more than
Argentina, then Alright, fine. The US Army uses more than 18
times as much as Argentina. Yeah, no
kidding. Yeah. And that's just the army doesn't include the
Marines. are you adding a adding the Navy?
That's, that is, as I call it, the long dick of the United
States Armed Forces. That's the entire thing. Well, it used to
be a long day. So I don't know about like, days days. So
no, no, no, like, we knows we got a super super circumcision
over there in Afghanistan. Yeah. We got we got a vasectomy maybe
is more appropriate. What was? I'm sorry, Dave, go ahead.
Yeah, this is one of the things that you said on one of your
articles, I can't find it right now. But he essentially said
that, I mean, you've got an excellent track record of
predicting, multiple years in advance, bitcoins, total energy
usage. And you've done it multiple times. And when you
said basically, that, you know, this, that you are not
predicting energy use is based on technical reasons, not as an
engineer, but as the bit as an with as an economics, that your
economics are informing your, your predictions more, more so
than anything, and I was looking at one of your articles, you're
talking about the perito principle, z, also known as the
8020 rule stays that 20% of the market participants control 80%
of the market. And then you flip over here to this, literally,
you flip over to the new york times article, and it says, in
fact, operations have consolidated so much now that
only seven mining groups own nearly 80% 80% of the computing
power of the network. I mean, what you know, can you talk
about that just how your, your prediction of looking at in the
future and seeing energy usage is more of an economic thing
than it is an engineering thing.
So So basically, I want to just briefly touch on the Bitcoin as
a as a religion aspect. So there's very little belief in
Bitcoin, everything's in front of us. Like, it's easy to trust,
there's no there's there's no faith. But there's like one
aspect of faith or one assumption, and it's in the
white paper, it's the assumption that 51% of the nodes are going
to be honest and act in their own self interest. Right. So we
believe that at least 51% of people aren't stupid, like
they're gonna do rational things quite money, brother, that's
pretty good. I know. I'm starting to doubt it as well,
but so far, like we've been okay. So far, like in terms of
like, like, making profit, I think everyone like, follows
their interest in that regard. And if people do, like, look out
for their like, own best interest and be greedy and be
selfish, like the these are what you sort of can predict can
happen in a repeat game, based on Game Theory. So this is just
this is the the Bitcoin hypothesis, like this is
effectively just the game theory. that's spelled out in
the white paper. So if like, so, if you believe that, you know,
people are going to like behave in that way, then this is
probably, you know, like, as they, as they say, like, show me
the incentive, and I will show you the outcome.
Right, and the incentives are clear.
Yep, profit. And so the outcome is profit maximization.
Also, I mean, so there's this one of our one of the people in
the in the podcasting 2.0 group, was very anti Bitcoin, I would
say, Is that fair to say anti Bitcoin, but it really was quick
to say, I don't understand it, it's shit. It's funny money. And
with my, oh, say, five, six weeks, this gentleman has gone
from funny money to internet token, which is a start. It's
not at all understanding where we're at, but it at least the
mechanics are becoming clear. People are saying, okay, I it
has use for me now, and that's in the context of podcasting.
2.0 I think I actually think that we are part of the game
theory
with But well, you know, if you have this is one thing I've been
thinking about too, when when you take you know, you see the
utility of the thing first and so, the problem part of the
problem with with Bitcoin now is that it's Having to fight this
idea of investment and that it's that it's an investment and yes,
it has that aspect of course it does
what's called a reward period. Dave Well, anything that
anything that
can be considered anything that's an asset, it could be it
can be an investment and yes, that's what it is. But when you
think about it in terms of, of a money, you know, it's this is
I've been prone to saying this lately, this Bitcoin is the only
if you take all of quote unquote cryptocurrency Bitcoin is the
only one of them that acts like a money. And that that's the
thing. I mean, like lots of things had lots of
cryptocurrencies have utility, whether it's NF T's or
blockchain blockchains, you know, these they have, they have
utility, but Bitcoin is the only one that feels like a money in
and that's where its utility lies is in the money aspect of
it. And so, like, when you when you begin to see it as a, as a
money, that changes to, in my opinion, that that changes the
perspective and it changes the ideas that are in your head
about what it is.
The, the not, it's not about what it is. It's it's almost
like what it's about what it's not so like, I was saying, like
you know, there's, there's, there's nothing at all, there's
nothing at all quite like it. Yeah, so like, it's it's like, I
wish, like, you know, English was a more expressive language.
Maybe that's why the French guys were starting to catch up to us.
Yes, like, I don't know how to explain the profundity of like,
try to imagine anything in the world, like nothing is like
Bitcoin. So when you're looking at money, you want it to be
completely useless at everything. Except being money
like you just want it to be money or rather, you want
nothing else in the universe to be like it. So it so it stands
out on its own as money and and Bitcoin really. It it. Like when
it stands on its own. I wish I had I wish I had nicer, nicer
words than that. No, you're right, you're right and get to
that true inclusion. It's, it's, you know, more than just, you
know, a handful reading a handful of tweets and a couple
of YouTube videos. So it's just got to be a prolonged
decentralized effort.
I had such a beautiful experience with my daughter and
my sister. They live in the Netherlands. And just recently,
I was able to finally go over for a quick visit. And my mom's
widow, he's almost 80. And he had received because my mom was
American, they've been married. Even though he's Dutch, he had
received her stimulus checks. You know, there was it 614 100
and a 1600. And he had already figured out what my daughter had
figured out is, hey, Adam, you know, you can't cash these, no
bank will take them I said, Isn't that beautiful? This is
literally a guarantee from the United States Treasury on this
sign, look at it, look at the sign of your signature, and they
won't honor that. And I said given to me, and I took them
back, I deposit them in my in my bank account here in the US. And
then I got him set up with bit my money, which is these are
really good folks in Europe. And they they can act as a bridge
between the European I forget the name of it, the European
financial system, and Bitcoin. But when when when I was back, I
said okay, I just deposited in the bank and just make sure they
clear, it shouldn't be a problem, which you still have to
wait two days before the damn system works. And he was he's
very aware of what he's aware of all this time, because you've
been sitting on these checks. And then I say, okay, it came in
as cleared. I'm gonna send you about $2,000 in Bitcoin right
now. And, and I even said, you know, 10 minutes, he says, Oh,
no, I already got a notification. And it would and
it's these moments when people see that who are used to either
a remittance, or an overseas transaction or a wire, where
they just go Holy shit, and he said, You know what, I think I'm
just gonna let it sit there and Bitcoin. I don't think I wanted
my bank account. And now I think I've won.
Yeah, totally. Yeah.
Like, so like, I always tell everyone like, you know,
Bitcoin, Bitcoin, you know, doesn't need anyone and it'll
like, it'll win on its own eventually, just based on you
know, how the game theory will, will play out. But there's no
harm in pushing it along.
Not so you mentioned you do several civil engineering twice
a week. You write tons of articles. I mean, what do you
do? What is your daily routine, like?
So daily routine like is is like I split my construction duties
out there throughout the week usually takes up takes up my
mornings because they start early but things that things are
locked down at the at the moment relatively locked down so I've
got a bit of a lighter load and the rest of the time is is is
all Bitcoin so yeah happy blocks 700,000 to you guys are we there
was a couple of days ago that I like I missed like my retirement
date. So I've gone from five days civil engineering down to
two and the rest is is Bitcoin so does your cat writing your
withdrawal having Yeah, I've been through several now.
Over time though.
Yes. I'm having Yes. First of
all, I want to I want to focus more on Bitcoin. So doing a lot
of Bitcoin work consulting advisory and the UK could be
starting a new role very soon with a Bitcoin fund. So keep
your eyes peeled. No, actually, I wasn't on that. But But yeah,
so hopefully, you know, working working hard at it sees just got
to see what happens with this whole Corona stuff here in you
know, where
are you in Australia?
So in Sydney, so Oh, lockdown.
Yeah, you are until you're there with Toba dictator Damn.
That's that's download. I'm
sorry. No, that's that's, that's Melbourne have that guy. Right?
That's Yeah, that's, that's Melbourne. And you've got what's
the lady's and Gladys Gladys? There you go, Gladys.
Good old Gladys. poor poor Gladys, man. You know, look, a
lot of times people just got to remember. Well, I don't know
about like, like, you know, all politicians, but some
politicians. Like, like, they're not prepared for stuff like
this. Yeah. I mean, this, she she wouldn't have signed up for
this shit if she knew like, there was gonna be pandemics and
stuff like, these people are not ready for this kind of stuff.
Like, oh, really, you know, do their best, but they're not
gonna, you know, do the best.
I take what's happening in Australia quite seriously. With
with my podcast, we followed everything very, very closely.
In the beginning, all the numbers saw very quickly that
there was a lot of changes and a lot of uncertainty, a lot of
things that were wrong. And I always thought Australia was
behind. But I think you're leading us by six months. I'm
very very, very fucking concerned about it. Because this
zero COVID policy just seems like a pipe dream, man. Seems
like it just seems very difficult.
So there is a split now. So So our red versus blue. Like is the
opposite.
Yeah, yes. So our blues is our red the
liberals. blues are still the liberals with the liberals or
the conservatives. Right? And well, so the states have split
amongst like red and blue lines. But the you know, the
Conservative government has basically said look after 70%
double Vax, right, like you guys on your own, like we're not
giving federal aid anymore if you want to stay locked down
like you can, but you got to come up with it with from state
money.
Right.
Yeah, which which the modeling, which is pretty reliable,
because like, like, we've got a pretty consistent daily rate in
about a month. People here will be 70% double jabbed. And like,
we'll see what happens.
Well, I really do hope the best for you guys because it's a it's
just painful to watch.
So look, for me just more time to run the numbers and and bide
my time. I think. I think we'll be okay. So when they say
Bitcoin is hope, they really do mean it.
We want to be we want to be mindful of your time do you need
to do you had another thing?
Yeah, yeah, I've actually got a got a head off and speak with a
gg who says who says hi? Yeah, in the name of Satoshi.
There we go. Do you have a lightning node?
Do you have I do but it's in the middle of a migration. Because I
want to really investigate. Like I've been checking out buzzes
stuff. And I really want to check out like building like a
kick ass properly redundant node and like, and like start playing
around with pool and all that kind of stuff. So now that it's
posted 700,000 I've got a lot of that time. So hopefully next
time I'm on will I will have I will have a semi permanent one,
or rather my permanent one online and we can and we can do
that. As soon as you have that. Let us know we'll put it in the
in the value block for this episode. And in perpetuity
you'll you'll receive SATs for every single time someone
listens or boosts that episode. It's great. And hopefully we can
get you back sometime around blocks 700,050 or we'll figure
out we'll figure out a good block.
Yeah, yeah, for sure. So that look rule of thumb. We move at
about 1000 blocks a week, right? Give or take, right depending on
the difficulty and whatnot. So 750 will be around a year from
now.
Okay, let's talk to you before then. It'll be more fun. Yeah,
absolutely.
725 you're going to drop to one or only working one day a week
so you
are just working one normal day a week that's just one extra
Bitcoin
day pass where can people find you online? We were delivered
just like this and so
people can find me on Twitter and friar pass FIHA s s. And you
can also just find me on Bitcoin magazine. You can you can look
me up there has McCook I've got maybe seven or eight articles
over there. And I'm I'm going at a pretty good clip. I've got a
I've got another big long read out today called World Peace and
the Bitcoin charity. Oh, talk about how you know Bitcoin is
the is the greatest charitable effort man has ever known. So I
always call it Adam. It's the it's only the second ever
charity. Where where the donors also get rich. First Bank, the
Clinton Foundation.
Excellent. Well, I'll be sure to link to that. Article. Really
appreciate your time. Ha Say hi to GG for us. And, and thanks
for joining the board the board meeting and we'll we'll have you
again. We'll have you on as soon as we can.
Absolutely pleasure. Pleasure being on thanks for having on
and, yeah, boosting the name of Satoshi Take care.
Thanks. Take care. Thanks. Bye bye. Okay, hold on a second.
Dave. Let me just close the door.
What a great guy.
Fantastic. Completely different voice and, and speaking manner
than I expected.
Yeah, that you look at his profile pic and stuff. And I'm
like, this
is gonna be a total total nerd. He's gonna be kind of like,
academic. You know, I don't know, just I had a whole
different vibe. This is great. What a great guy.
Awesome, very cool. We want to thank some people. Yeah, let's
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says
nice. Thank you very much.
Yes. Let's see. Brian of London. So he gave us multiple boosts
here. And he says it is working really nicely. Okay,
thank you.
I guess he's talking about cast ematic that's the that's the
boosting. Cool Yeah.
Okay. Cool. He must have he's he's testing out his his life
lightning to have gateway money machine
is money changer. Yeah. It's kind of I imagined like Brian
standing there. The digital Brian has one of those coin
changes on his belt is like, okay, ching ching. Here we go.
Hyper
leverage shoots up orders and down.
Total Rube Goldberg? I love it. I love it. Hey, we just have to
say there is another crypto that works with podcasting. 2.0 you
can you can use hive.
I have no idea how it works. But it works. I have high power so
I'm down. Now you're good. Let's see. Sir. Bill gave us 1000 sets
and he says boost for Tiny Tim. gonna live with me forever.
Yeah, you bet. 10 years from now the podcast comes Hey, are you
the shingles guy?
What's your name? Right.
Gimme, gimme, gimme. Steven crater gave us 1000 says and he
says appreciate your sharing your story. Well, thanks. Now I
appreciate you Steve. who say 500 stats from Dave Jackson. Oh,
yes. Dave thank you so much for continuing to do leading the
bleeding. It is it is it is bleeding the leading or leading
the bleeding and
then is it fair to say friend of the show? That that's just a
friend of the pod. Stewart just throw it all out there Dave go
ahead friend of the pod.
pod bud. Jackson he gave us 500 SATs and he says thanks for the
personal story Dave I got a ticket but my universe to the to
pick up my diploma. They will not get a penny from me for the
for the alumni draws Yeah, right. Exactly. Yeah, give it to
him day,
right. All right.
11 123 SATs, both from kyron Oh, our buddy Cameron from
Immortals. Yeah pod buddy. He says I totally agree with their
totally agree with there being an incentive for apps to play
around with their features and settings. I use breeze for
streaming a podcast with chapters that are fixed part of
my schedule 2.0 pod land testing my own podcast, pod friend for
new podcasts and sending them booster grams Curio Castor for
long booster gram messages when I am on the laptop fountain for
small easy tests of pods that are just getting into the 2.0
features.
I have the same like when I flew to Holland. I used a combo of
breeze and pod verse now. Yeah. And that worked really well. So
nice.
The whole bottom half of the front page, the first page of my
I like the whole bucket
is all as podcast. I have it in a folder.
Okay. Let's see who we got here. Oh kyron again 5522 SATs and he
says, well that mix up at the end was incredible boost and
again just for
the good job, Ruthie that was not one like that a lot. That
thing
was crazy. See guy gave us 3838 so 3838 set, he says, says Dave,
I really appreciate getting a peek into the Jones story go
podcasting and go beach towels.
beach towels,
and beach towel deficient right now.
I saw some was booming. someone tweeted something at me today
and I immediately told that the no agenda shop guys, they should
look in that. What was it? I'm gonna take a look at it. You say
that they have that T shirt? The Are you even in the index, bro?
I've got that T shirt. You have it? Okay, I don't even have
that. Cool.
Yeah. Now by everything. They put out
a lot of cool stuff. Let me see what was it? Someone had a
great, great quality to me. Oh, yes. Like, join the boost to get
boost the gram revolution.
That's a good one. I like that.
If you ain't boosting you ain't supporting.
Oh, yeah. No, I
was. Just go ahead.
No,
I was gonna say I was listening to sounds profitable. And had on
this delightful young lady. She's running a firm that
represents podcasts for I think mainly host endorsements, but
also streaming ad insertions. And their company focused on
kind of the rest. So not the big names. They've got this whole
large level in the middle. And I'm just listening to the
numbers. I'm like, Oh, my God, I want to call this lady and say,
why don't we want to talk to all of the podcasts you represent
and making some real money. If they can do host endorsement,
they can endorse their own show and learn how to do a value for
value ask. And they'll make more money, and they will end and the
agency would make more money. Anyway, I decided a way to wait
probably half a year and then I'll have you call her. That's
the way that you get shit done. I call it like a washed up MTV
guy. And
you know, Brian Barletta is is a great guy. I had a, we probably
talked for an hour. We had his probe in three weeks ago. I
don't know three or four weeks ago, I can't I can't remember.
But we were supposed to it was supposed to be me and him and
Dan Benjamin doing a thing on the ulsd stuff on sounds
profitable. And Dan's schedule got mixed up. And so we weren't
able to do it. But me and Brian. And we didn't find out until
right before the thing was about start. So me and Brian just
ended up basically on a zoom call just with each other. And I
mean, we talked for like my entire lunch break. And he's a
great guy. He's got a lot of good ideas grill. This story has
no point other than than to just say, Oh, I think he's a great
guy. He's a go getter. Yeah. I wouldn't mind doing, you know,
working with him a little bit more. Yeah. He's not like he's
realistic. I mean, he's in the ad tech thing, but he's not sold
out to, you know, no other model like, like he's trying to make
the whole thing better and work. And so I don't think that I
think that he's absolutely somebody who just gets it. Yeah,
I mean, we we had him on our show.
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
Anyway, Mary, Oscar gave us 7777 SATs. That is numerology for
sure.
We recognize it now.
The conversation around misinformation in free speech is
one that's the most important of our time and what better place
to have it then on the pot in the podcasting 2.0 board room.
3333 sets from watch man, and he says podcasting 2.0 reignited my
desire to start producing shows again, nice unofficial,
unofficial sports book podcast and taking more of it taking
Marvel plus it'd be talking. Talking Marvel plus fans
rejoice. Good podcasting.
Tell me what you need. Man. I know that I know the CEO of
Marvel.
Oh, nice. Yeah. Real nerd. A real
real super nerd. Yeah, I'm not talking about the I mean, he's
now co CEO because the CEO CEO, but I think he's he's kind of
slipping out the back. Because he's, like Disney material. He's
like, he's like Trump's best friend.
Is this hard? Like I may be lying here, but I've thought I
remember hearing recently that Marvel Like executive
leadership. They're like they're older, right? I mean, they're
older guys.
Oh, yeah. The, what's his name now sour owl, or, you know, some
super New York Jewish business guy. And he's got to be in the
70s. But ever since they, you know, Disney acquired them. It's
like he is not Disney material. To the CFO who I know has now
kind of become like a co CEO, you know, he's more of an
operator. And they also don't own the cinematic universe.
That's, that's a separate unit. But if you want somewhere to
comics, let me
know. Oh, so he's on the comics.
And also NF T's actually the new huge NF T's.
Man, they guess Marvel gets so screwed back in the 90s when
they get so desperate for money and they sold rise to
everything. I mean, they're doing fine now, obviously, but I
mean, man, they talk about
that. Yeah. Which Yes, what you do
see 49 44,949 SATs 4949. From John's Bert. He gave he says, Kj
says get better. Dave. I'm fine, man. I'm
sorry. I'm already looking for bleach cures for you,
though. Yeah. Unless you bleach and bleach the flick, see 10,000
SATs from bleach pliki bobber be at no agenda social.
flicky, Bobby. Right. Okay.
And he says and he just says boost. 10,000 SAS. Thank you,
buddy. Thank you. 5000 SATs from anonymous. That's embrace so
they're all anonymous. He says Duke dude named Ben here. Thank
you for the work you were doing to keep our speech free. Oh,
man. Thank you. Cuz he actually is there a dude named Ben?
Yes. Just a couple actually. I think nice.
Now. Getting some do cross over here.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah, we already have the rownum Oh,
so it should be rownum opes.
Let's put panaroma Oh, no, Romano poner Romano and
anonymous. fries gave us 1000 SATs and he just and he or she
just says Happy anniversary. Thank you. Thank you. Yes.
That's from the 50
coming from breeze. Yep.
Same Bill. Bill Prague's. He goes 500 says he says no idea,
would it but maybe the Wim Hof breathing could help with that.
Oh, Wim Hof. Oh, my goodness with shingles. Yeah. Wim Hof
Dutch guy. He's the one that does the ice baths. You've got
to see this guy. He controls everything in his body with
breathing, and particularly with ice water. And this is what Oh,
yeah. This guy's amazing. He injected himself with E. coli.
Just to prove that he would not get sick through his technique.
And he did Oh, shit. Yeah. And he did not. You've got it's,
it's mind boggling. This guy.
Okay. Okay, here, I'm gonna say I was thinking about this the
other day. This brings me brings it up to my mind. The the part
we're removing some of the problem I have some of the
problem with COVID is we're removing the power of the human
body. The testing, okay, it's the testing. Oh, I'm sorry, the
the constant testing all the time. But stop.
Word PCR is never even intended to be a test. That is the
biggest scam is the testing.
Agreed. And the here here's my angle on it, though. The testing
is removing the power of placebo. The placebo power of
the mind is incredibly real works. If you think you took
something and it light. And we don't even know how often this
happens. In fact,
in men in medicine, placebo is called the placebo problem by
the scientists.
Yes. Because it actually there's a certain percentage of the time
where the placebo effect is the thing that heals not the
medication, or not, whatever it is your take. That's the whole
idea. I mean, like, that's how the was there was that thing
where you take little bits of stuff and dissolve it in water
and micro dosing? No, no, no. Like I keep wanting to say
apothecary, but that's not that's not compounding is
something that somebody will correct me if I'm wrong. Yes,
it's like you take these little bits of mineral or a little bit
Have something and you'll dilute them in large amounts of water.
And it's put in the new take it and it's supposed to have these
effects. But like it's all placebo, but it's super
powerful. But if you test test test all the time, then you're
making the mind depend on the test and not the you point wash
away, guys.
Well, I'll make it one one step worse. In all the vaccine
trials, they had a control group. And the control group, of
course, gets the placebo. And you need the control group to
see, you know, what's the difference between the actual
medication and people who believe they got the medication,
or at least they don't know. If it's double blind, the doctors
don't know either. But it wasn't. And what they did was
after I think, like, two months, they said, All right, everyone
who's in the control group, we're just going to give you the
vaccine. So now we have no control group and no placebo
effect to to look at the study,
yet see that we they should have just when they say okay, if you
get the vaccine, you never have to test again. Then, if you're
fine, from then on out, you're good, like placebo. It doesn't
matter if if any of it doesn't matter what worked. It's just
you stop testing and you're like, you're good.
And you cannot mention placebo without talking about us
counterpart, no CBOE news. Nice the opposite. The no CBOE I've
never heard of this. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. I learned this from mo
actually, even though I'd heard of it. He really took me down to
CBOE. He said most, you know, CBOE a detrimental effect on
health produced by psychological or psychosomatic factors such as
negative expectations of treatment or prognosis. Oh, so
these are the opposite testing is probably a no cebo effect.
Oh, yeah. Cuz you're, you're, you're so worried that you now
come up positive. Yeah, I'm having this right now. Yeah.
Because we're going to we're going to Chicago and I'm so
afraid. I know. I'm fine. But I'm so afraid it's going to come
back positive. Maybe I'm going to make it positive.
That's why I whenever I see those pharmaceutical commercials
Come on TV at night, I turn I mute the sound and I don't look.
I'm I'm so afraid if I keep watching that shit. I'm gonna
have psoriasis. I'm gonna have I'm gonna have like what I
already have Tardive. tardive dyskinesia. Although it's not
from that I have the same symptoms. He knows like holy
crap art. Oh, rheumatoid arthritis. I'm depressed. I just
want to shoot myself now. I'm very I seriously you asked Tina.
I just turn it off. Just turn turn off the sound. I don't want
to hear it and we do not watch. Definitely afraid of
him half. Yeah.
You need to see this guy. You love him. Okay.
Thank you, Bill.
Let's see yes. Oh, another great tip from your podcasting 2.0
board meeting
5000 stats from anonymous. This is called a bear boost from the
boost guy in the clip you play. intergalactic? boombox
here's from the guy Thank you he was just lazy didn't want to
fill out his name in the front field that would be great by the
way if that's stuck
Oh, what
if the if the from field instead of always being default
anonymous if it had your name?
Oh, yeah, yeah. breeze they I guess they just want to keep
everything
oh yes right breeze has no name although I did mention that to
Roy said your name is also as well. Let's first see how the
how the boosts work. Okay. booster grabs with a mouse. This
is great.
b mozzie says Brian mozzie Brian mozzie says thanks for sharing
your stories. Dave. Very powerful. 10,000 SATs
Thank you. Thank you so much.
I released that one cracks me up. Okay, we got some money,
especially since boost boosters are now on hold again in the US.
I mean, Fauci can't get this boost together, but we got
boosts.
Well, I keep looking for the word but like I'm trying to find
more ISOs and I can't find any that are good. Motor booster
questions. They'll show up, though. She's quest.
Okay, Jeremy Cavanaugh gives $10 and these are monthly guys at
Jeffrey Rutherford give us $5 Alex gates $25 in math still
marveled the fact we get a consultant to pay us which is
awesome.
That is great as well. We also we also had Haasan I mean, he's
a consultant to we are winning right now. We are super winning.
Yes, everything for free Dave including your work we knew
this true. Chris Cowan $5 David Norman he he that cannot be
found he gave us $25 Derek Fisker hope your baby's doing
good day. Derek Vickery It was $21 Damon, Cassie, Cassie, jack
$15 Damon and Derek both both been around for a long time.
Appreciate you guys. Paul Saltzman $22.22
it's always always good with him his numbers, always check in to
two to two.
And Soren Miller also a longtime are $10 Thank you, sir. That's
it, guys.
Thank you very much because you are really helping this happen.
It's the time the talent the treasure, we see what we have
some people given all of it. It's so much appreciated. This
is it. Look at what's happening. We're just a year into this. And
we have we're on we got runway, you know, we're rolling. Yeah, I
would say we have liftoff actually.
I want to get I want to get live working. And then we've got
we've got Facebook, we don't have a guest next week we got
phase four tags we can talk about a lot. We can get back to
podcast stuff next week. Okay, talk
Oh, and I'm sure all kinds of shit will happen in the
meantime, something something will pop up that we have to fix.
Something will happen in podcasting, we need to go save
dammit.
The Yeah, but yeah, I'm excited about live. I want us to be the
guinea pig. And maybe we can try to I want to try to get at least
one live stream a guinea pig test live stream out the door.
Like, I don't know, in the next couple of months. I don't know
if that's realistic. But now, will we be the end of the year?
Will we Okay, so having some standing in the arena? The
minute we go live is the minute we say holy crap we need we need
a feedback loop. Because the whole so you know I have the IRC
chat which is the troll room. So the minute we when you're doing
live it's what's cool about live is that you have the the
immediate response from people on the other end. So I know that
but we're not quite there with comments, but if we're doing
live does the does your boosted gram reader script, also known
as the BRS does it? Does it pull in in real time? So if people
are boosting us while we're doing live when we see these
come in? Because if so I will have a boner from here to Tokyo.
Sorry. It's just that would be so cool. That doesn't work.
No, it doesn't do it. Full time. It may excuse me real time it's
delayed currently, but I can up check time where it'll check
like once a minute,
you need to boost the grandpa delay. You need to boost the
grandpa Ping.
Stop your rofi send an email was like, Hey, we need per chapter
episodes.
I gave you a mix, man. What's your problem? But the thing is,
the whole point of the mix was Dave have you built it yet? So
here's roofie Maker of the mix going Hey, he can do anything
that Dave guy he's a magician.
I know I can do crap right now know that this is this is not
this is not doable. This is bad. We're not we're not doing this.
I do. I do think it's funny though.
Yeah. Well, I mean, I can boost the check time. And we will they
will be delayed by like one minute. Yeah, I
mean, I mean, that's 10 seconds for the stream buffering. Yeah,
no, that's fine. Yeah, it's doable, right? For you
hilarious.
The podcast index dot social could be a makeshift, you know,
feedback loop from the beginning, I guess.
Well, I'm just saying we're going to need it. We're going
we're going to need it because that's the beauty of live live
really comes to life when and that's why YouTube Live works.
You know, it's the it's the comments as people being or the
super chats all of that. So we'll basically do live with
Super Chat only.
I've got a I gotta think about this. This is
one day, you can do it.
No, it's too late. It's too late to be thinking about doing
things. All right.
So what do we need to get that well, that's gonna we still have
a little bit to go Don't we? Can we? can we how I mean, do we
have receiving side for the live tag? No. Okay. All right. Well,
if we can get the transmission side maybe someone will build a
radio receiver for it.
You know, by the way, cat see cast Last dose. Yeah, they
released some support for podcasting. 2.0 tags podcasting
hosts couchbase Oh, fantastic. They did. Today they released
support for funding locked. And what else was it?
Let me look it up real quick. All right. I'll take it. Welcome
to the party guys. Yeah.
Good. Yeah. Good tag. If funding locked in good tag, there's a
there's also another host did is doing a few tags that I'm not,
I'm just not gonna say because I'm not sure if they want to
announce it, you know, themselves. But there's another
host is also putting in some tags. So we the on the
production side on the hosting side, we're starting to see some
things pick up here.
Yes. And the Castro West guys and gals. Put in a poll
requests. Yeah, put in a poll request that we can get you on
the new podcast. apps.com page. Yes, yes. anyone wanting to make
sure you're on this page has grown man. This is so cool.
Yeah. And we're, I'm working to get Franco on the show now from
cast ematic. And so we'll have him on, hopefully soon. This
week, we learned that the developer of cast ematic is also
a physician, his day job.
Can he write a prescription for ivermectin?
No, he's not a van.
I got my crack as I need my pace doctor.
I mean, like, I wasn't expecting that. He's like, Oh, come on. By
the way. During my day job. I'm a physician. And we've
got all kinds of great people of all kinds of fantastic
backgrounds. This is what I love so much about this project. And
that's what podcasting is. Really is,
as I so what do you know? Okay.
But what do you know? We could use that one more often. Yeah.
Let's save that one.
The Yeah, that's, I've been going for a while you, that's
about all I got. No, I
don't think I have anything else. Or have that article.
There's some bullcrap on. We are talking about Spotify. And I
guess the only Yeah, just again, for people who want to try some
of this stuff out Curio caster, but you can mess around with
with your own feed. Or you can actually look at how other
people's feeds are built. And you can experiment with some of
the tags. I think we're now showing up with our police.
We've got the host of the person stuff working. I saw our faces
appear. So let's
figure out how to get them into the channel.
I think I think Steven B already put a fix in for that. I'm not
sure he works so fast.
He's probably just doing the same thing with the image.
Probably just thinking it out. Yes. And lifting it up to the
top. Yeah.
Yeah, so no more of these things that we're discovering now.
Like, yeah, oh, yeah, channel level overrides. I mean, all
these all these little things is really great. This this is a
self hosting revolution coming. I see more, more and more people
talking about it, more people are interested in it. ipfs is is
cropping backup, although, man, we've had a lot of trouble with
the database replication or download with ipfs. Do we know
what that is? What Where's breaking because it just sours
me on the whole the whole thing.
It's the daemon. It's the ipfs daemon daemon. It's, it's is a
daemon or daemon.
I say daemon. Okay, but you write a DA mo n.
Yeah, I'm gonna say daemon, because everybody else seems to
say it's ipfs daemon, that it crashes and it crashes once or
twice a week. And I've got it auto reviving itself. But um,
I've, you know, I'm going to be on the so what I'm going to do
is I'm gonna start putting it in object storage also, just
because I'm tired of people having a bad experience, right?
Yeah, that's been I've been good. So I'm also going to be on
the ipfs podcast. Oh, good. In a week or so. week or two? Yeah,
that gets
Flat Earth guys.
Yes. Yes, you got you
gotta you gotta. You gotta lay some firmament first on them.
that'll blow their minds. I don't know. Why not. Try this
one. crater Earth. This is a new one I've been looking at.
And I've not heard this term. Yes. crater
Earth. Well, we're actually in a crater on a much larger Earth.
So the whole earth our idea of Earth is in a crater. Yeah,
think about
Oh, okay. Okay, cozy. So that's what so you get the ice ring?
Yes. It's actually that's just the
rim of the crater. It's the crater rim. Yes, exactly like
this. I like this. A lot. Yeah, I'll send you the YouTube
videos. This is from actually I think it's a bridey on this one.
This doesn't. This won't fly on YouTube.
La Eric the other day in the chat, he was like, also, Moon
equals fake.
I heard I heard another NASA guy. But when I was, Oh, it was
during the MTV Video Music Awards, which I just just
tickled me this So, MK Ultra man, don't let your children
watch that. And they had to the obligatory shot to the, to the
space station with, you know, male and female astronauts, you
know, the whole thing equitably divided, you know, they're,
they're hanging on their wires as their wires hanging off the
wires for the green screen with the CGI. But they but they are.
They literally said, We can't wait to go to the moon and
beyond. Like, does anyone read the scripts? They keep doing
this? I've heard so many NASA people screw up over this. Yeah,
one day we'll get to the moon and even further. I'm like,
squeeze me. I my parents got me out of bed. I was like for the
watch this kid. Oh my I
almost bought you this the other day. There was a thing that a
buddy of mine sent me it was an auction for one of the a piece
of the or like an is like a negative of the of the original.
Some of the original footage from the one of the Apollo
missions, and it was like an auction thing like some kind of
online auction. I think this was like a one of the copies of the
film they did. It wasn't like the it wasn't original original,
right. But it was like some of the reprints. And it was like, I
don't know, 20 frames on a little, you know, what do you
call it? It's not cellophane, it's whatever that fill
cellulose. Cellulose. Yeah, say Lloyd. Yeah. Is it was like,
about I don't know about 20 frames on the little strip. And
the auction was like, you know, it's like 50 bucks or whatever.
I was like, oh, man, it was just and so he sent it to me. He's
like, Hey, here's your here's your proof of the moon landing
and I was just screwing around with him. I was like, man,
listen, Nevada to me. Do you?
Do you know that? NASA has admitted they lost all of the
moon landing. Yes. I mean, these guys just they make it so much
fun. Yeah, they do. I really, really appreciate it. Mark Hall.
He gave me a T shirt for my birthday. I'm trying to find
there's a picture of it. And it's like a moon landing film
crew. The crew t shirt. Very, very funny. Very funny. All
right. Well, then, I think we're good for now. Enjoy Chicago have
a you know, congratulations. How many years you guys been
married? 22 years. 22 years and they never had a fight? Nope.
Unbelievable one. All right, everybody remember to support us
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