podcasting 2.0 for October 1 2021, Episode 56 is that a
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Korean by now, my friend on the other end legend, gentlemen, Mr.
Dave Jones.
Why Korean?
What Aren't you still exporting a database for Samsung? Oh,
no, no, no, no, that's not for Samsung. Oh, no, no, no, that
was that was nest for top secret. Cut. Well, if we were
going to do this and indictment heartlands, it would be a top
secret technology company for
Oh, is that NDA speak?
That's how you talk when you when you indict people and then
redact everything.
Oh,
yes. Technology executive to
unindicted unindicted co conspirator. I kind of stuff.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, totally. So what's, what's your sound issue going?
Oh,
my goodness. Well, I decided,
well, I walked in and it said, I can do this. I can noticeably
tell that it sounds different. Yeah.
Well, and that's part of the problem. You sound kind of
boomy. By the way do you change something in your I
don't think so. No. This is this any different right here? If I
get up if get it real clear?
Yeah. Get up close. Yeah, that sounds much better. Yeah. Yeah.
You got this. You got to fix that thing. Man fisted
and wrapped up in its grill? Oh, yeah.
That's great. Yeah. So the task cam mix cast for became
available.
And I Oh, the thing, this is the thing you were thinking about
getting?
Yeah, this is exactly the thing I was thinking about getting. So
I get the thing I was thinking about getting and, and I hope
and I'm really jacked. I'm really happy about all this,
like, Oh, this thing is gonna be great. Well, there's some
there's some false advertising or things that were advertised
as features that I thought was exactly what would make it a
great thing, a great device to reduce cables and boxes, etc.
Well, let me tell you what the problem is. So it's very much
like the road caster. You know, with the assignable cart, cart
buttons, you can put jingles in there. It's got four
microphones, the sounds for the microphones and the preamps. And
all the processing is impressive. Totally cool.
There's no there's no noise at all. I mean, it says sounds
super clean.
Oh, yeah, well, but here, but I can't, you know, the part of my
sound is actually for it not to be so super clean. But that's a
secondary story. So the way that chain works, is and it also has
a has a Bluetooth, input and output, it has a T RS or
alternatively a line in and separate line out and USB. So
what you always want is you want after, you know, each individual
channel has to have its own effect, its own compressor,
limiter, and EQ. And then on the total mix, you want to also have
a compressor limiter, which is usually subtle, but it's very
important, because that's really what helps you with the mix.
Particularly if you're doing live stuff, you want everything
a little bit on autopilot, right, you don't want to be
riding the faders the whole time. And that's what a
compressor limiter will do. It's like a leveler. In essence, the
way I like to configure them, it also kind of affects the sound a
bit little bit makes it more exciting. And you know, that's
that's neither here nor there. So I thought that they had that.
And they don't, what it says is, oh, you can there's a limiter
for when you record, but that only takes place after the
recording, you say okay, I so it records everything without the
compressor limiter. And then when it writes it to disk at the
very end the writing to disk, that's the compressor limiter
part, so you don't hear that. So that is a violation of the
fundamentals that that's not in there. That I mean that's,
that's a huge, huge problem. So that's
because it comes out so that means it goes out to the left
stream that way.
Exactly, exactly. So so that actually now when I'm recording,
I can pull it through a processor later and get pretty
close to what I like. The problem is when you're doing the
actual recording, the levels are all over the place. It's
distracting all sudden you blow up my ears, and it's really And
a compressor limiter would fix that so now I have external
boxes really just for my headphones but I'm also
recording it on a separate machine on audacity just to see
if how that sounds I'm also recording on the internal SD
card Problem number two I was delighted that it had a noise
gate on the USB interface because then I can actually
bring in my buddy Dave through clean feed which needs the you
need you know it needs to talk to USB but if you want to record
from the USB you're getting the mix minus signal so if I want to
record yeah it's if I want to record on Hindenburg my favorite
editor it's not going to get that unless you put it into a s
i o mode but then you hit you then you're forced to record you
know all the tracks at the same time you got to go you know then
I guess you got it you can edit it and that learn a new editor
so I just want an additional stereo out that is after the
final compressor limiter that I can just send to any any
recorder Yeah, those two things by itself will be phenomenal and
and also there's no granular controls for the USB there's
just nothing talk music so I can't really do too much with
your voices there's some things but it should just be every
channel should be identical compressor limiter noise gate EQ
that's it and now I don't know how powerful the processors in
this thing if they can put it all in there but man that would
make it perfect because now I have to have a whole 19 inch
rack box outside of this thing with wires hanging off it the
exact opposite of what I wanted
to say this to me you've made you've made this thing this is
worse now this is worse than it was
and well yeah no because I really love that I only had two
cables to connect you know I connected the USB and then I
connected the laptop's audio out analog audio out jack to the
line in of you know so so that's how I do all my my effects and
the carts etc and yeah i mean that that works really well with
with really just a couple wires but now I have to have this
whole chain out of the back running through the compressor
limiter then into an amplifier and just I mean I'm sure you can
have noise you know like all kinds of noises coming along
with this recording but anyway something that is cool
dogs have the voice of God in case I need to solve it dude
holy crap you know the compressor delimiter is not is
not on the line now that God but the god voice is so much more
important
and that's and that's you know so then there's all kinds of
nuance like you know the mix minus that I'm sending to you It
also has no compressor limiter so you're getting levels all
over the place you're not hearing me the way I'm hearing
me
yeah this isn't it's not you sound you sound much different
than what you normally sound like I mean like it sounds like
it's a very it's clean and crisp
in a disturbing way like not in the good way it's not it's not
clean and crisp like an in like an NPR it's clean and crisp like
a like unprocessed
oh really I wonder if you're getting it before the processing
even
I don't know maybe cuz it sounds like there's no noise I mean the
noise is zero yeah but it's it's almost like it's like you said I
mean there's no that it's an island now that I hear it yeah
it compared to what you used to be I think there was a little
bit of graininess to the old one
oh this is definitely cleaner, no doubt about it. And also I
had a lot of wires connecting to stuff so then the final thing
and then I'll shut up about it the built in recorder is
actually quite nice you know just got a 16 gig card in there
can do 1010 hours of recording
that's like one episode of MO fact.
Exactly. It has a mark button which is easy to access so if
you know that's like oh that's an added point hit the mark
button and I would use that thing exclusively. But believe
it or not, it's when you use the built in recorder you can't
switch memory banks on the the eight buttons that you use for
stuff like snow so I've got those all loaded up. And I know
why technically because you know it's it's it's recording to the
SD card and I don't think you can record to the SD cards and
and read from them in high speed at the same time. Because that's
where the where the cart files are stored. But it's ridiculous
so you know I have I loaded up eight banks filled with eight
with eight different jingles and I was like, oh, cool, I can
switch between them. But you can't, you can only select one.
And you and then you can't move between them once you're
recording.
So, what do you know?
I'm sorry.
Do you? Did you get my clips?
Yeah, I got your clips. Yeah, I said, I'm sorry. I was like, I
only heard what do you know?
But what do you know? What do you exactly what do you do every
day? It's like, so how much was this device? It
was five 590 959. But if, if anyone is listening task cam,
I'm so happy to help and advise you on how to make this thing
kick ass because it's so close. And road won't listen to Don't
Don't be like road test cam.
And that's the that's the PR push Don't be like Don't be like
road. What What is the? What is the issue there? Is it a
hardware issue? Is that a chip thing? Or is that just soft all
software.
You mean with the with the
with with the limiter on what the output and
that's all software. If the processor can handle it's just
software, I mean, I really only need well, desperately I need
one compressor limiter that I can hear before it goes out of
the chain. And then I'd love to have a compressor limiter for
the mix minus. And I'd love to have more granular controls for
compressor on the USB and the line input. I mean, it would
just be copy paste. In essence, the way I see it in the code is
like okay, copy, paste, boom. Now you got that over here. I
don't know if it there's a cost is a real cost to how much
processing is done.
Yeah, yeah, I think you know, like, I guess all that stuff now
is just, even the real time stuff is all software. I mean,
yeah,
the the big problem is USB and that's why I'd really love to
have a non mixed mine is USB feed that I can stick back into
the computer to record but man is USB C and USB is so messed
up.
It's never worth
it's an you know, don't plug it into a hub, whatever you do.
Oh yeah, I've never even looked for USBC hubs, but I bet you
they're total garbage.
So I spent about an hour and a half last night with Brett
Weinstein.
Oh, yeah. I got put in his node thing is more. Yeah, it's.
So Brett Weinstein. A whole bunch of people were tweeting
him saying hey, you know, you got to hook up with Adam Curry.
And so I followed him and I said, Hey, Dean, you know,
whatever, happy to help. And then he DM me and he gave me his
his number and so we were texting back and forth and he
said, You know, I was talking with Joe Rogan about you it's
really interesting what you're doing and so okay, well, why
don't we get on to podcasting? 2.0 thinking, maybe you'll start
with some simple stuff, you know, showing some chapters,
etc. And then he says, Look, I got an umbral note so what
I mean like no baby steps, you
gotta you gotta reload.
Anyway, straight for the juggler.
And so he said, Well, okay, and so I'm trying to I wrote down I
sent him to value for value.io, which he had not read by this
morning. But anyway, he was able to find his node ID because he'd
never used he has no had no channels open on his notes.
Maybe he's only using it for on chain. I'm not sure. Or maybe
just thought was a pretty, pretty thing to have in his
house.
are quite beautiful. Yeah.
I was like, I'm looking through the through the thread here,
because it was pretty funny. And by the way, Brett Brett
Weinstein is very, very popular. podcaster and it
seems like a nice guy to like, for anytime I've ever heard him
interviewed, he seems like a genuine person.
Yeah. And he and his wife had that they do the show together.
And they you know, they had Dr. McCulloh Han and they were
talking about ivermectin, and then he got kicked or
demonetised and I think kicked off of YouTube. And you know,
that was a big hit to their income because they they already
got run out of Northwestern University. If you recall, he
was the biology professor who refused to
participate with Western I thought it was
no waving down. It was what was it? Simon green? No, I thought
it was Northwestern.
Oh, yeah, maybe maybe, right? Yeah.
And so, you know, anyway, in from the text messages here, by
the way, my umbral servers up and running fuck fiat currency
and the fractional reserve at wrote in on Poland. Yeah, so. So
I'm like, okay, so Hey, your Umbra will be good stacking SATs
every single minute. Anyway, so We get it all working you put
the block in, I opened up channels and and it all works
and then you know, so I say this morning so Okay, so should be
working and this is very interesting Hold on a second.
Okay as it's working to that's excellent I do see them but
despite knowing what SATs are I don't quite see what is causing
them to flow in my direction. Where do you have to stream for
from for that to happen and where are they coming from?
And he's a guest apps calm.
Yeah, so I again I said look at value for value data. Oh, and
because that just explained simply what was going on. And
then I did a screen recording just before we started the show.
And he's like, holy crap, I said, Yeah, it'll blow your
mind. So this is the kind of guy who could really bring in a
whole new slew of podcasters an audience he has half a million
Twitter followers, you know, so he's,
well, you know, he's got a voice crazy that he had an umbral
before ever even knew what the heck he was doing with it. It's
like how do you end up how do you end up with a device in your
house that you're just like okay cool well I'm
gonna does a lot It does have other things that I've looked at
the number like tried to install it on a on a Linux laptop and
failed I think the Docker issues set up for Raspberry Pi or
whatever so I had to give up you
can do like owncloud and all that stuff with it too right
yeah that's what I yeah and and you know some more open source
ish home automation
Well, this brain This brings me to a interesting topic. I was
listening to the mere mortals podcast I've been listening to
that a lot and that's a great chance to listen to that Yeah.
And they they were talking about needing some jingles for their
booster grams segment and then also and then I listen to pod
land yesterday and James was saying that you know he's like
oh we need you know he needs some gene jingles you know there
ought to be like we should have like a like a starter like a
jingle booster Graham starter pack that says download the
starter pack. Do your own it's a blister
pack you punch you punch it through Yeah, let me get this
tasty little little jingle Yeah, okay, so we'd have everybody
needs yet one and we got that one. Boost. Boost you know you
want to and then everybody's favorite.
And now as the French say, it is time for loose nnessee Benjamin
Graham started the boost gram corner. Yeah, starter pack. You
know, that gives everybody what they need we ever can
we actually have a couple more. We have two streams. Yeah,
they're all good. Okay. Should we put that on the GitHub?
Yeah, there should be a repo or like a repo.
Is there an easy way for me to learn how to do the repo I just
I never got into it. No, okay. Thank you. Okay, here's I will
zip them up and send them to you Dave repo away.
Now you can you can do a git GitHub isn't is not famous for
being for being screwed. So good luck with that.
Yeah, I was also listening to pod land and it was and by the
way I think value for value streaming has just taken over
the language it's like those guys start off with boosting and
all kinds of podcasting 2.0 talking i'm i'm proud I'm proud
of the the propaganda has worked the proper indoctrination. How
much have we sent to James combined in the past year we
probably spent hundreds of dollars trying to get his
attention maybe worse boost boost boost.
But yeah, it works getting getting people's attention
always works with money. But
they were talking about the apple the new and it's not
called a VPN, whatever it is the their yellow cloaking service. I
forget what it's called. Yeah, private relay,
private relay, man. You got to be crazy not to think that
that's not going to happen to podcasting. An apple is at war
with any any advertising tracking, they're at war with
it. It's all across the board, I guess. And I don't see why they
would spare podcasting. They they clearly put their stake in
insert in the subscription model.
Well, now they have a reason not to spare it. Exactly. Now. Now
they'll have they have their their private subscriptions. And
then not only do they have that, that technology running, they're
now starting to pump out stats about how many subscribers they
had.
Yeah, that shows you that shows you where they move. And so
don't count on them on them not blocking that out
yeah probably they private relay everybody else and they'll say
oh well we can't make any money well yeah you can come over here
to come over here to Apple subscriptions now you can make
some money over here and you don't have to worry about and we
have guess what we have stats
yeah and what we really should figure out the the proper way to
do it value for value is we should figure out some kind of
subscription type system which may happen with bolt 12 I guess
where you can have different kinds of invoices.
Well I want to I want to pitch this to our guest I've got I
want to I want to lay out my idea for the for my paywall No,
my own source paywall hmm well and finally finally going to
take the take the cover off
Do you already want to bring our guests in and so we can I mean,
I guess she's not Do you think he's properly dressed? It's kind
of
like if the hoodie is a little
improper for a sandals or weird man
I mean, I guess the board is we're a little more modern than
we used
to be. All right, let's bring him in right now. Welcome to the
roundtable the founder CEO and I think the guy who does pretty
much everything at voltage Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Graham
critic.
Hey guys, how's it going?
Graham did Graham Did I pronounce that correctly?
kurzick Crazy
Crazy close enough I mean there's a lot of different ways
to say you could you could say
Graham you've been an important part of the podcasting 2.0 story
from the get go You were there with your fantastic voltage
service hosted nodes very very happy with with the with all the
service we've we've been able to get from from you. The nodes are
solid the services I'm we know in enlightening land there's one
man who does not sleep and that's you. Yeah, I mean you're
always awake it doesn't I'm in Amsterdam, Graham's there. You
know, just one message. I mean, do you sleep with your phone
just in case to Adam has to have a PSM question that will resolve
itself otherwise? Yeah, I
mean, it's just for you man. it's uh it's But no, I mean that
I think I've mentioned it before that uh, you know when you're in
this a revolution that we're in there's no time for sleep we got
a lot to get done right
there man is a hell of a lot to get done. Why would you tell
everybody about voltage? How you started it because it seems to
me like you're kind of a cloud guy you come from and you know,
of course everyone's younger than me but young guy and how
you got from more the cloud computing side into the
lightning cloud I guess you'd call it cloud computing but to
the lightning side and and and and the podcasting part and what
else you know drove you to this point
yeah, for sure. Really kind of the the journey I think the
journey really started for me with Bitcoin um, I found Bitcoin
in 2012 by hearing about it through like the Silk Road
really what fascinated me about that was the the entire peer to
peer aspects of that and how you know, you hear people you know,
selling drugs on the internet or whatever, but I
was buying them
Yeah, well, it was like for me it was like how is it possible
like yeah, like there's this makes no sense like there's got
to be someone in the middle that's you know, just scooping
people up off the street as soon as they get get delivered or
something. So I start looking into like, you know, how is this
literally you know, possible and that's where I really found out
about Bitcoin, Tor, PGP encryption, all of this you
know, the technology that was powering that and I was really
just kind of hooked from there just the this really amazing
technology that has you know, just such a broad use case it
can really change a lot of things for us. But that was I
was when I was in college, let your college graduate and went
right, you know, into software engineering. And that's what
I've done through most of my career as a software engineer,
specifically in a public cloud infrastructure so I'm very
familiar with you know, clouds and servers and all those those
things on the back end. And Bitcoin has always been a hobby
of mine through the you know, through that whole process it's
always been something I've looked at contributed to Bitcoin
Core a little bit always doing you know, open source projects,
things like that. And then summarizing it up to you know,
or beginning of last year, I started looking into what, what
is kind of next for Bitcoin, right? What is the Where are we
going to take this thing next, and that was obviously the
lightning network. And so I started to get more involved in
that and I think that was even before umbrella or any of these
things were around and I was trying to set up a note at home
and it was like, it was real painful. It was
I, what year was that?
It would have been end of 2019 I think, okay, yeah, it's probably
around in between. 19th I started looking at this and and
yeah, it was like, even as a technical software engineers,
like getting a node up and running was like, it was
difficult. Um, and so that's where I started, you know, I did
it in the cloud. So on a cloud server got everything up and
running, it was much easier to do there. And that's when I
started looking at this idea of like, Well, you know, someone's
got to be providing this as a service, right? People can't all
just be configuring go applications on Raspberry Pi's
at home. What that was actually the truth is that everyone was
doing that there was no new service for it. And that's where
I kind of had the idea for voltage and just kind of worked
on the platform myself just as as in my free time as a hobby
for a little while. And it just kind of flourished from there.
We're just getting feedback on a lot of people liked it. And, you
know, over time, it kind of turned into a full fledged
company. And now we're, you know, doing really cool things
like podcasting. 2.0
How many people in the organization gram?
We have a total of 10 people now holy, moly, real hell?
Yeah. Yeah. I
mean, we've been growing. And we got people all over the world,
actually, which is, you know, the other cool thing about you
know, Bitcoin is that unites us, you know, no matter where you're
at. So that's been a really cool thing to work with people from
all, you know, all walks of life all over the world.
And so how many nodes are you running?
Ah,
we don't necessarily publicly disclose the number of nodes,
but I mean, it's in the 1000s Okay.
Wow. And that's all just from podcasting. 2.0
you guys, you guys are a big influence will say that. Well,
the really the system is just so rock solid, you know, there's
now of course, you're here because we have an entire wish
list of stuff we need.
You give me that list on air, right? And I gotta promise every
pretty much
goes, yeah. Yeah, you're in the boardroom. Man. This is like,
this is how it works.
So like, I don't think people understand probably, what you
had to do to get these voltage to get these lnd nodes,
lightning nodes running in a cloud in a cloud environment in
a safe way. Because when you first think of that, you're
like, Okay, we're going to spin up a whole bunch of cloud, cloud
copies of lnd. What could possibly go wrong? You know,
that? The The first thing you think of is, I mean, gosh, this
is just like prime hacking territory. So you've done a
think if I've, if I understand, right, you've done some
hardening on l&d itself, in sort of in you sort of have a wrapper
around l&d so that you can do ip whitelisting. And can you? Can
you kind of like give a thumbnail sketch of what you all
have done to make that safe? Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, I mean, you're exactly right, that that's something
that when I was designing the platform I didn't want to do was
just kind of throw up lnd into the cloud, and you know, have it
run like it does at home, because that's the threat models
of those two areas are very different. And so as I was
developing the platform, we I worked a lot on l&d internally
to submit some prs. And to do more encryption on like the Tor,
private keys, a TLS, private keys, anything, anything that
was essentially private or sensitive was encrypted to you
know, the wallet seed. So there's nothing on disk, there
is also a PR and lm D called stateless in it, I won't get
into like the nitty gritty details of that, but it
essentially allows you to, you know, return all of the
credentials in the initialisation requests, instead
of writing them to disk, which was done previously. So given
all these things that we've done with the nodes, there's nothing
that is like sitting on distance unencrypted, or that, you know,
we could see we the nodes that we run, we can't see inside of
them, we can't see your channels, your balances anything
like that. So we you know, they're essentially black boxes
to us even. And we did a lot with that on like our front end
dashboard to to make that a really seamless integration to
where our dashboard kind of communicates both with our API's
to create your know, do all of those things, but then it's also
talking directly to your node, when it's initializing it,
unlocking all of these things, so we never see your password.
We don't know what your password is to your node, we can't unlock
it, we can't do any of those things. So really, we took a
very, very security first way of writing these nodes for exactly
what you said. And the The other thing you mentioned was like ip
whitelisting for the API's and whatnot. We've added that in for
you know, we don't really want your l&d API's exposed to the
internet, even with the credentials that are on them.
Still not a great idea. So you know, we have ip whitelisting so
you can control who accesses and all of those things. So we
wanted to make this a very scalable and very easy to use
platform but also not really, we wanted to keep the security you
know, as as hard as possible.
Well, that makes you know that's that's a wonderful thing to Have
as a as a user, but then from your standpoint, you, you know,
you still got to support it. And every time you encrypt something
or make it invisible to yourself, it makes it harder to
support has that been had the I guess you, I guess you've
allowed? I know you can manage channels and that kind of thing,
or at least have some visibility into some channels, even if you
can't see the note itself. Have you had Have you? Have you
worked around this sort of support? nightmare versus
privacy?
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think you're exactly right. That it, I
think it comes with a support burden to where, you know, if we
had access to everything, we can manage everything, that'd be
really easy. And so it's there's a trade off there. But that's
something that we kind of consciously took on, because I
think the security is more important than our, you know,
support burden. And so, you know, we do a lot to really try
it, we, I guess we're kind of clever with how we do it. So
like when things like we have like an integration with breeze
for example, where they, you know, with you by a podcasting
node, you get a channel open to you from breeze, you can start,
you know, getting that inbound capacity for people to stream to
you instantly, that is really done on the in our dashboard.
And it is, you know, your node has to appear with breeze before
they can open the channel. And that's all done from the
dashboard. So it seems like it's kind of this automated thing,
but it's really, it's really you making the request client side
to do all this stuff. But we just make it really, really
simple and abstracted away to where, you know, we aren't, we
aren't doing anything with your node. We're just making it
easier for for you to do it yourself, I guess.
Okay, all right. So that that sort of happens post unlock, and
then those kinds of
things. Yes, yes. That's correct. Yeah,
I guess. Okay. Yeah. Well, I mean, you, you talked about, you
mentioned a second ago about your API. And I think you've
just recently released an API. And that's part of what I want
to ask you about for us. I mean, we run our node on your own on
voltage, like, What can your new What can your API now that is
public? What can we do with that? How does that help us what
I mean, I've got some ideas and stuff I want to do. But like,
what, what do you think that? That helps us do? Yeah, I
mean, it definitely helps with the management of it. So through
the API, you can I mean, you can obviously create new nodes, but
you can also for your existing nodes, you can stop and start
them or update them. So you know, we have web hooks on the
platform to you know, we could send you an update, or a web
hook that says, hey, your note has an update, you could
probably probably should evaluate, you know, the version
updates and whatnot. And then you could automate the update
process of just hitting the API. We also have like a ways you can
use the API's to get logs from your node, get like the
macaroons to connect all of these things. So you can really
kind of, it allows you to integrate the voltage platform
more into like your apps or whatever you have, if you have
some management dashboards for podcasts, you know, your
podcasting setups, and whatnot, you could basically control your
node from that from your own dashboards VR API.
Okay, what about backups? Can you do those, like channel
backups through the API?
Yeah, I mean, so channel backups are created automatically.
That's something we just do for you. I'm just on the platform in
general, but you can use the API to like, take comment, like
download them, or, you know, take them off of back them up on
your own storage, too. So yes, you can use the API to, you
know, create exports like that.
That was one thing I want to ask you about is, you know, this lot
of podcasters here doing value for value who listened to our
show, and a lot of them are running their own nodes. And
whether you're on voltage or running your own node. One thing
I've been wanting to pick your brain about for a while is just
good. Node management, hygiene. hygiene. Yeah. What is what is
what what are your recommendations for a way that
somebody somebody is running their own node, whether it's on
your own voltage or their other or themselves? What is your your
advice for how to make sure that they're they're running safely,
and keeping things backed up keeping their channels? Do you
have any just general advice on how to run a node in a good way
for somebody like a podcaster? Who may be getting sort of
constant streaming? payments?
Yeah, yeah, for sure. No, I mean, that's a great question.
Um, and so as far as like, you know, the safety goes, I mean,
definitely keeping backups of your channels with that channel.
backup file, as you mentioned, is very important. I'm not
honestly I haven't used a number all before so I'm not sure if
that like automates it or how that works. But keeping copies
of that is very important. on our platform, I know for sure
that we do automatic backups, and we you know, we do
replication of those across the world to make sure that those
are safe. So that's a very important piece just for sake of
just fund recovery. If your nodes database gets corrupted or
something, just literally getting your money out of it,
and that's that's going to be very important. And then another
thing that When you're running, it's more of a an issue with
larger scale nodes like like you guys or someone didn't like
maybe the smaller nodes. But the l&d by default, uses a database
called revolt, which is it's kind of an embedded database. So
it's not really made for large scale. And if you're, you know,
why, well, like this thing with podcasting 2.0, your value for
value is there's a lot of little payments, it's a lot of invoices
in your database. So it can grow pretty large over time. And it's
not really optimized to be handled in a, you know, really
large way. So the best way to work with that is to l&d has
API's to export all of your invoices, payments,
transactions, all of those things out of the database. And
I always recommend to store those somewhere else, whether
it's just csvs or whatever, just outside of your node. And then
l&d has some new API's that allow you to delete those out of
the node. Yeah, which is gonna be very important for one for
like to export that data out in case anything happens you still
have that data but then it also keeps your node fast and able to
do you know transactions really quickly. And then but the other
important piece of it is once you delete all of those
payments, it's just kind of one of the intricacies of Ebola but
you have to do compaction on the database like actually remove
the value like the the records from it I'm again not sure how
that works on Umbro, but on ours we have like an auto compaction
feature that you could turn on to compact your database to make
sure those are
white none of that none of that sounds that sexy oh that was all
really really scary. I mean, if any of it
that's I mean that's one of the things that's one of the
challenges for us and ever everyone is how do we make this
sexy? You know, this is all low level technical stuff, right?
And how do we make it more more sexy?
And make it sexy?
Exactly. Right, right that's the way to get
now but the other thing you mentioned Dave was the channels
and obviously if you're a podcaster and you're wanting
you're needing to receive payments from your listeners,
you got to have an inbound capacity so that's something to
always kind of keep an eye on it's not i'm not saying that you
need 100 channels open to you You just need one or two or
maybe three that have enough capacity on the opposite side to
receive those payments. So that's just something to keep an
eye on and we're working on some products to make the channel
creation easier and being able to make like get that amount
capacity easier than than it exists today. So there's a few
things that will be out soonish that will help with that then
that's just something to always keep in mind is you know you
can't as a podcaster you can't be receiving payments if you
don't have capacity in the lightning network to receive on
basically
Yeah, we we try we've tried to as people come online as
podcasters come online with their own nodes we've tried to
open up channels to them to give them some initial inbound
liquidity and that kind of thing and this that's gonna you know
it's it's worked well so far and we're happy to do it one problem
we do end up with lots and lots of channels I mean small ones
too yeah we got like 112 channels Yeah, I
was thinking we need to set an inbound limit on because you
know when you get the 50,000 set channel it's just it's not you
know doesn't help
right so is that is that what you guys do right now as you
know you know we're doing you're just kind of helpful and yeah
free people
yeah channels
yeah so we'll open channels typically 200 SATs 250 sometimes
a million you know we've got a 5 million channel to Elon pay we
have a you know there's I have a channel to voltage which has
been stuck for 18 months
if only we knew somebody at voltage
yeah that you should have told me about that we get a hold on
Look at that. I don't know I'm not familiar with that but we
could definitely look into
the transaction ID so yeah, and you know, we try to set zero
base fee on on new channels just to help stuff move through. So
we've actually we're a little bit of a routing node is
interesting. We get them I think we get the most routing SATs
from pod friend you know, however, the network has
determined that this is the way it's supposed to go so yeah,
yeah, we're just trying to be as kind of a good steward
mothership in the middle and I think it's effective you know,
particularly for for new people who just they have no inbound
liquidity don't understand really what they're doing. So
we'll just hand it to them
yeah, yeah. I mean I that makes sense. I think that's really
good for for the time where we're at have this kind of,
we're still in the early days right and figuring out how this
is all going to work but but we're
told we're totally the the bastard stepchild when it comes
to people Developing for the lightning network because our
routing our liquidity is low we but we have a very high volume
of transactions. So you know, no one's really thinking about all
these optimizations that we that we need because of that volume.
But if we're all successful, eventually we will need them.
Yeah, yeah, no, I mean completely. I think that's
something we should we should talk about after this is I think
we have a we have some things coming out that will help you
and then also help a lot of these new podcasters coming
online and how they're going to manage the Mmm, liquidity. So I
don't have anything that I can say on the show yet. But I mean,
I think we'll have some solutions soon. That will really
help this onboarding process where it's not it's not Adam and
Dave opening up every single podcast channel.
That's in the spec, right?
Yeah. Have you have you considered like real consumer
market where you know, you have a family node? And maybe I know,
you and I, we've talked about Elon bits, or some other kind
of, we call it Uncle Joe, Uncle Joe's node, you know, so people
can share with a simple wallet that they can hook up to, you
know, blue wallet, or somewhere where maybe zap something like
that?
Yeah, yeah, that's something we're looking into primarily
from, like we talked about with like Elon bits, because for
those that aren't familiar, Elon bits is a an application that
connects to your node that you can do some of that.
Like Elon bits, I think is cool. I love the little modules. And I
have never been able to successfully get my certificate
properly installed on my on my raspy Blitz, but otherwise, the
ln URL stuff works. It's it's, it's really it's pretty cool,
huh? Yeah, I mean, it's a good application. And that's
something that we're looking into bringing onto the platform.
So you know, things like that will be possible soon. Once we
kind of get that on there. And then you can create wallets for
family members, friends, what you know, whatever it is,
what other markets, are you going into what other markets
are you looking at for, you know, for lightening services?
Yeah, I mean, I think that so there's, as far as we're just
trying to offer sewer service for kind of everyone, right. And
that's, that's intentionally broad, because we're so early,
that there's a lot of people that need help. But there's, you
know, with what's going on in El Salvador, and all these new
things where, you know, it's becoming more everyday use,
we're seeing a lot of inbound from people like, like banks,
and right, more traditional institutions that, you know,
maybe previously were writing an offer saying, well look at it
next year. And now it's like, oh, you know, people are using
this every day in El Salvador like this is, you know, we're
going to need to start looking at the sooner than the next
year,
big retail point of sale, that kind of stuff.
I mean, potentially, I think it's that that could be I see it
more, maybe in like in the financial institutions where
it's like now Yeah, yeah, stuff like that, I think will
definitely come online soon. But I mean, like breezes, you know,
point of sale and things like that. I think it's been gaining
adoption as well. So I think we could see it kind of across the
board, almost.
What about legislation? this kind of stuff? I mean, I'm sure
you follow it, how closely do you care? Does it matter to your
business?
Yeah, I mean, it's, it does matter to us. And it's something
that I do try and follow. And it's something that it's, it's
changing quickly. And so it is kind of difficult to figure out
what's what and how is this going to work out? Luckily, I
think a lot of these things have a little bit of lead time on
them before they actually go into effect. So I'm, you know,
they're I think, today, there's been a few things happen this
year that weren't, you know, quite friendly to what we're
doing. But I think I think it comes down to education. I mean,
there's some people in politics that don't really care to be
educated. But I think it does, I think there's a good amount of
people out there that if we can just get the education right and
really convey what is truly happening. And this isn't just
some, you know, bitcoins, not some scheme that it's going to
rob every one of their wealth or something like that. I think
that'll go a long way.
Yeah, I was I was listening to again on mere mortals. They were
talking about doing some Bitcoin meetups down in, in Australia,
in Brisbane, and they were just kind of commenting on how they
nobody that they met. In the Bitcoin meetups down there.
nobody seemed to care or mentioned what the price of
bitcoin was, like it denominated in Fiat, everybody, they were
just sort of like, Well, you know, they don't this is sort of
like they don't care what the price is. No, and that was
really yeah, that was really interesting. Because if you
think about it, I mean, it makes sense. I know, most Bitcoin.
People are in they, at this point. They're Of course, you're
Have your tech bros in your scammy investor guys but you
know really oh so many of the people that we have met in and
know of are in it for a bit a much bigger they're in it for
ideology not for you know in getting getting rich or or
whatever
we all win we all work together
yeah you look at GG tweeted something yesterday and he said
when when your money when money is broken, everything becomes
money. And that was so is such a profound thing to say because
he's exactly right and we should we're seeing it right now. We're
seeing it where all of a sudden all these asset classes are in
bubbles, you know, houses are now money. Cars are money. You
know, tech is money. I mean, everything is because of being
priced. All our assets are now being priced in terms of, of
their monetary value, because the money itself has been
broken. Yeah, it's like we I mean, we have saw yesterday that
20% of the total US dollars in circulation today.
Yes from the past. Yeah,
we're in 2020 in 2020 alone is 20% of the total.
But Dave that's immunised money. It's transitory stop ever mmt
mmt Yeah, exactly.
Yeah,
no, I mean No, I mean I completely agree and I think
that that's where i think that you know, learning Bitcoin and
all of these things is a journey and i think that you know,
that's where I see more and more people coming to is I think
there's a stage in your journey where you realize that like the
Fiat dollar value of this stuff doesn't quite matter as much as
you previously thought
which is what is the some of the most surprising customers you
have business wise?
Um, I mean we so I think that the ones so I that's what I like
what we're doing is because we have a very wide range of
customers, whether it's pot like podcasting, gaming, there's some
financial institutions and there's things like Sphinx chat
that's like you know, messaging so the the use case is very very
broad for the lightning network which is why I mean one of the
reasons I find it so interesting this can really be applied to
anything so I think that we've we have a lot of really
interesting use cases primarily like some of the ones that I
find most interesting are like gaming podcasting those things
and then we also have just like the financial services which is
you know, maybe more not very weird I think that's probably
more of the predictable ones but you know, we're having
conversations with people that you you wouldn't expect I guess
even I'm kind of blown away by the inbound we get of like, oh
you're you're I would never expect you to be looking at
lightning right now but but you are so I think that's the big
surprising thing is the amount of traditional services that are
starting to look into this space
like a like a grocery store or something I mean, like just eat
yeah yeah or like just read like retail Yeah, yeah. Or like just
bigger banks where you're like you know, there's they're so big
that well why would they look into you know, something like
this? Or you know, just yeah, these auxilary services that you
just never quite expect to be you know, for us it makes sense
you know, for them to be on lightning but I think that
they're still part of me that's like a I think that there's I'm
surprised that they're as far along in their journey as they
are.
Did you do your yoga Lobo Do you have Do you have customers like
you know, Salvador in all parts of the world?
Yeah, yeah, we do. We are we are global. And we do have customers
and you know, some Central American countries, some in
Europe and whatnot. So we definitely are global and where
we're working on rolling out the platform in a more global way
where you can we have you know, we have zones all over the world
but making all of those zones publicly available, things like
that. So we're we're working on making the platform more global
as well but we do have customers that are outside the US
that my partner Dave had a big ask for you. Oh, yeah.
What was the ask some feature you
wanted?
Oh, you're talking about the Oh, okay. No, well, wouldn't have
for you to my we were talking about a while ago that's that
wasn't a feature that was where I was wanting to roll this out
to you and see what you what you think about it. So this is
there. There's subscriptions in pod, you know what we're doing
pay, you know, this actually played a pay. Yeah, value, but
you could do this in a subscription format, where with
a paywall type deal. So here here's, here's the, I mean,
you're familiar enough with podcasting to give your input on
this. So the idea here is you have a podcasting host. And the
podcasting host is serving up the RSS feeds Well, the way it
works now is if I want to, if I want to subscribe and you can
see this through Who is it? What's the name of substack?
Okay, so substack has a gal in there who wants to give out a
private feed for his members. Well, they produce a private, a
producer separate RSS feed with like, with either like a token
or like HTTP basic, you know, authentication or something like
that. And that's the URL that you take in, and manually copy
it and paste it in your podcast player. The problem that, I
mean, the problem there is like, I mean, you can share that
anybody can use it, because it's just tokenized. And then, and
you can get sucked into directories, and it's also a
pain in the butt. Um, so. But then you got the alternate
model, which is Apple, or Spotify, whoever, who's going to
have like this private podcasting service subscription
service where there is no feed, I mean, it's all just, you know,
built into their proprietary system. So it's thinking, what
you could do is you could have just your single feed. So I've
got a solution, say this, this podcast, podcasting 2.0, RSS
feed, and I won't, but I want to make it some of the content in
the feed paywall so as the podcast host, for the feed,
could generate a generated key, paid or seed value. When you say
I want to subscribe, so you click say I want to subscribe to
this content, it generate in your, your podcast player
generates a seed, sends it through the processing system on
the host on the hosting platform. So in somewhere in the
feed, there was a bit like a, an in an API endpoint or something
that you could communicate for to do this subscription with,
generate a seed value, send it to the host, the hosting company
records it. And that's going to be your one time your time based
one time password seed. So now, the podcast app knows the time
based one time password, and the podcast host knows knows the
seed value for that to calculate the TFTP. Now every time you go
to refresh and pull a new copy of the feed, you generate the T
the one time password, send it back to the host. And then the
host authenticates. And that's how they serve you the
enclosure. So when I go to request the enclosure to listen
to this episode that says it's protected, I'm sending the T OTP
as a as a as a URL parameter back with it. And the host now
knows, okay, this is a valid subscription. Because I've got,
we've done this prior transaction before. And we've
both calculated we've both shared the seed value. And so
now I know that I can serve this enclosure to this particular
podcast player. Because they know the seed.
Mm hmm. Yeah. Go ahead.
No. So then, when you if you were to move your feet
subscriptions from one podcast player to another from one app
to another, could export them out in opia opml. In an extra
opml attribute could be in there with
Wow, that's cool. To TPC. Wow.
And you pick up all your subscriptions can move with you
from app to app.
Right and would but i think i think that if I'm understanding
right it would be like a spec level change for all the
podcasting apps would have to support this to TP
they will do whatever we tell them
we make use of that. Yeah. Perfect use of that.
No kidding me? Yeah. What do you think I mean, like that, that
these, that would, would work you just have like, that takes
it that takes where you could have where I could say okay, I'm
going to I'm going to pay I don't know 25,000 SATs as to
subscribe to this to this show. And then as long as you as long
as your app is paying the subscription your you continue
like whenever you if you ever stop paying the subscription,
your ODBC just gets it just get one
Yeah, yeah, no, I think that I think that makes sense. I got to
have to I think I'd have to like see it more on paper to figure
out if like that, literally that scheme worse but I think
generally speaking that makes a lot of sense to be able to, like
you know, pay an invoice and get like this see that allows you
to, you know, get access to the content, I think I think that
makes a lot of sense. And so this would also this would be in
addition to like the value for value of like, like the private
premium content where you, you know, you pay to unlock it kind
of thing.
Yeah, there's some people that are just like there's they
they're too scared of non stable income. And they want like this
predict not not this subscriptions are stable, and
they're just as unstable as everything else. But they like
this sort of warm fuzzies of saying odd. I know that I'm
going to get my money up front. And this is going to be our, you
know,
once they learn that their short selling themselves, they move
over to value for value. But yeah, it's a good way to onboard
and to compete with Patreon.
Yeah, so then if you had if you subscribe with if you subscribe
with this mechanism, then you could even say, when you when
they generate the invoice to make the payment. You could even
use the invoice hash itself as sort of the seed value for the
OTP.
Yeah, well, so have you heard of else that?
Oh, yeah, we looked at that we looked at years ago.
Yeah, but I've never honestly, I've never fully understood how
to make it work.
I kind of haven't either, honestly, like I haven't gotten
into like the nitty gritty details of like, implement that
makes me feel better about it.
But I mean, there's, there's, there's way too much to learn.
Even for me, there's just too much. But
the the idea is it's an API that you can pay for on the fly,
correct?
Yeah, yeah. And it's like, essentially, your payment is
like, is that unlock mechanism? It's like you're the payment is
the API key? Yeah. So it's like it gives you you know, this,
it's almost like a token, that is a payment that you can use to
unlock the content behind the API. So I mean, I think that I
think that your your ideas, right, and, you know, the, the
lower level implementations, whether it's like an Elsa or
just some other, you know, token thing makes a lot of sense. I
mean, I think that that that's a great idea.
That's exactly what I was wanting to hear you say, That's
why this one?
No, I mean, I, yeah, I think that that's, that's something
that I talked with Tim LNP quite a bit about is just kind of the
subscription piece, just generally speaking on lightning
and just Bitcoin in general as well. And people say there's
like things and bolt 12 that kind of make it happen, which is
for those that aren't familiar, it's just a spec to the
lightning network of like the protocol. And I mean, you know,
maybe there's some things in there that we could leverage,
but who knows when that's going to really be out and all of the
things so I think that it's important to, you know, we don't
we don't want to just wait for everything to be rolled out. So
I think that it's important to figure out how this fits in
today.
Do you think l&d will adopt volt 12 because they seem a little on
the fence about it?
That's a good that's a great question. That's like a million
dollar question. I think I think that they will I think that if
it's like if if everything gets approved like kind of through
the normal processes and it's like an official you know,
released bolts that you know, especially if they have a lot of
users requesting it I think that they will so I think it's a
matter of time but you know, assuming depending on how things
play out I think they will
and did I hear Dave were you telling me that booster grams
we're coming to Thunder hub
that's what I that's what I'd heard and I think Roy mentioned
that are y'all are y'all doing anything with with histograms or
anything on on yells radar?
No, okay, I'm not even super familiar with booster grams. So
you guys are gonna have to give me an error lesson about that.
Okay, so an added feature in the podcast apps, you know, the
boost where you can, you know, like a Super Chat you can send
1000 satoshis or any number you want in one go. So we've added
messaging to that, for which we've defined a TLV record
to V 7629169,
double o 2345789. That's my number. Yeah, so and so the
message carries along with it and the net effect the way I
received them, is that Dave has it rigged up so that it comes in
on email and so it tells me you know, what, the the alias of the
person who's sending it the amount, the podcast that we're
listening to which episode and the message timestamp? Yep, it's
very I mean, it's it's revolutionizing podcasting. This
feedback loop has never been there before. Yeah. And it Yeah.
Right along. It's kind of like a pay pal message only a million
times better.
Right right now that's awesome, Dave, how are you? You had Did
you implement that? Do you like listen to like the nodes, like
API's? And you know, you attack the TLV and do all that stuff.
Yeah, originally I was pulling everything muscle I was pulling
everything myself with with some scripts. And then john cigi
wrote a Python script that will do it through that'll, that'll
monitor it and push it out through as push notifications
through, push over. And then, but I've just now switched this
last week, Alex gates wrote a Python script that uses the the
CRI, I think it's create invoice stream API, the gRPC stream API
from l&d, so now you can get them in real time. So
essentially, it just opens a channel and opens a stream. And
then they just pop in in his script. Mike, literally, within
two seconds after sending a boot of booster Graham, it pops into
the stream, and his script outputs it to standard out. So
I'm just capturing that standard out in another script in and
triggering, you know, push notifications. And in that what
that will become in it's almost working. I've almost got it
working today is that will become the Super Chat for live.
Like you'll be able to get to a web page and see me be listening
to the show live. And then seeing the booster grams come in
and scroll through the screen. So it'll be like YouTube Super
Chat.
Yeah, if you're No, that's awesome. That's so cool.
He's so cool. So this is a value for value project, which means
that there's no creepy corporate money. There's no ads. That's
the only way it's gonna work. It's the only way everybody
stays honest. And you just heard a couple names there of people
who are putting a lot of time and talent into moving
podcasting even further. And we really love to thank our
producers who are supporting us with their cut butts cocked box
which you can go do at podcasts. index.org down at the bottom,
the red Donate button that is PayPal. And then of course we
have the boost system, the boost ecosystem, and some booster
grams and where do you want to start Dave?
You get you got time to hang around while we do some
histograms. Graham? Yeah, for sure. Okay. Well, we've got
we've got some, the only cut bucks we have this week other
than monthly donors. We got a single from let's see from
Gregory van mowlem. sent us $400 Whoa, through PayPal, Uh huh. he
emailed with him a little bit, and he said that he's going to
get more involved. He's going to he's a coder. And so he's going
to start helping with some code too. But he said, This is my,
this is my first contribution. So
Wow, thank you very much. I think we should call him
defragmented. Oh, yes. For sure. Thank you, man. That's great.
Yeah, he's
that's almost our entire server budget, or used to be.
I've got to build today. I can tell you what it was. What was
it? In the end? grandma's gonna laugh at this is hosting fee. It
was $467.
Wow, man, and that's 20 servers.
Yes, that is 20 servers.
Well done. Master Dave.
That is a chicken feed compared to Graham's hosting phase. Yeah.
Well, but he probably still has to deal with AWS. It's got a
backdoor deal with his old buddies there. Did you work with
us, weren't you?
I never know. I never worked there. I've worked you know,
with it through. Oh,
I thought I thought you work there.
Now. Okay. Okay, so I'm gonna go ahead and say that I'm a I'm a
huge fan of this competition that we've created.
What competition okay.
era statica. Sent 250,000 SATs. What is a booster gram?
Hold on a second Paolo shot Kala 20 Blaze. Oh man, Paula. baller
boost.
Total baller boost and it came through fountain app. And he
says, Hey drib booster gram max Challenge accepted. quarter
million dollar boost. Can I get a T shirt? So he said also I got
booster grams calm. I need ideas. Yeah, this is 100%
approve of this check of this petition.
I was wondering why our channels were flipping back and forth the
whole time with lm gay Mike. Wow. It went through
Thank you aerostatic yeah I understand to get the create the
inventor of the term booster Graham That's right.
And he's got the domain name to prove it. And and it's written
in the show notes we've codified that he's got papers.
Yes. See, Auburn Citadel sent us 49,000 SATs and he says our
Citadel checking in on the board meeting this boost brings me
well over 200,000 SATs I'll be hitting you up for t shirts soon
hopefully no supply chain issues oh no no
we don't want it only that we don't
want t shirt supply chain issue definitely thank you think you
over Citadel appreciate that. Okay, okay, now this is a string
of booster grams from kyron I'm sorry No, we started out with
Daniel I'm sorry. Daniel says he went through breeze and he says
50,000 SATs it's it's baller boost day it is you guys are
great. This is this is to build Prague boosts are on lightning
network there's no block delay at all. Daniel okay also approve
fully approve of this too but just people correcting other
people through boost your grams. I like this.
Very, very, very, very good trend.
Yes, yes. I like this. Okay, now Karen sent us see he sent us a
string of booster grams. And oh, here it is. Okay. That's three
that's three or 444 I'm out of out of order here. Okay, I'm
gonna sit and I'm just going to read them in Okay, where do they
come up? He says 25,000 SATs through the fountain app. And he
says any update on the new website I've noticed the apps
page is a tad out of date. Oh, well.
Yeah. Make Deb's make sure that you have your your app features
updated on the on the apps page everyone's that's what we're
promoting new podcast apps calm so you want all your features
represented you can just do it with a pull request.
And he says found he says fountain for example has now has
chapters and I'm keen to see how you're going to display the 959
things that 2.0 is and yeah, that's been updated so that pull
request I have just had to put it in production so fountains up
to date now. Yeah, the the new website. still working on it.
websites are hard.
Yeah, will probably be a lot of focus on the the podcast or
wallet stuff. Right. Once you get to it. Are you getting
pretty close? I think.
Yeah, I've got API stuff to fix and then we'll go into that. The
Okay, here's four out of voices, a low boost and off my top end
booster gram shopping spree my good sir. skyrun levels.
And now, as the French say, it is time for low boost.
Don't you wish you had a podcast gram so that people could just
randomly send you sass with messages? And
yeah, I know I do. I'm getting jealous over here. Well, you
just get boring emails with no sets.
We'll be happy to discuss with you just putting you into our
value splits for 5%. So we don't have to pay any fees. You just
take a cut like everybody else get right. Yeah, maybe we could
do that. Maybe telling you man in the future? Yes, I
completely agree.
era statica cenis. Against and is 2376 cents. He says, I have a
request. Is there any possibility that I could be the
first person to do a booster gram and a new Live Super Chat?
Is it just first come first serve, isn't it?
I mean, I'll give him a little heads up, I guess how
close are we to, to doing that, because I missed the dev
meeting. I don't know I and I don't know if Brian put it up
yet.
I haven't seen him post it yet. But I mean, we're the only we're
not far, the only thing we have to do is just bake in some. Some
tag we got somebody got to bake in the tag support. And then we
have to put in the action. You have parameter in piping so that
we can trigger so what we're talking about Graham is where
it's part of the podcasting namespace. We're gonna have a
tag in there called called Live item. And it's just it'll just
be is meant to just reference a stream like a live stream HTTP
string. So then you put in a live item in the RSS feed. And
when when apps see that there will be in the item there will
be a start time on it that says you know, like whatever, you
know, this is the time that this stream is going to go live. But
then we will send out a push notification through the pod
ping system which uses the hive blockchain when the actual
strength of
the golf ball falls down the dominoes step
In the chickens walks
into the spoon the spoon flips over yes
yeah yeah they pours out a pitcher of water and the stove
turns on Yeah, exactly. The sends out sends out that thing
then the app knows okay hit the live stream now and then that's
when it'll that's when you can tune into the live stream then
the Super Chat starts and the pot and the booster grams start
flowing okay it's perfect Okay, sure I got I got the
chicken egg part of it
see aerostatic as soon as another 2376 acid he just says
booster gram no that's what that was it
was a but we're gonna be the first show to do the live right
we're gonna yeah we got to do that right here man Friday
afternoon it'll be be fun
now yeah we bake this stuff in house we yeah we eat our
own dog food and by the way Steven beast still my man number
one in my workflow has been significantly shortened in time.
Ease of use top notch brother top notch the RSS generator in
in Curio Kassar
I'm sorry we need grants no we need grams node so we can put it
into our split
Oh yeah. Dude keep with that on the signal so we'll we'll give
you a guess split so in perpetuity you'll receive SATs
when enter whenever someone listens to this episode. Hell
yeah. Yeah, free free money free money. Yeah, I
see. Anonymous through breeze it says listening to 717 176 SATs I
love that 1776 says listening to you makes me happy and hopeful
glad we're standing shoulder to shoulder for liberty.
Oh that's a good You bet.
Yeah
we do have some we did get some hate those
that oh no hate boosts
Yeah, we got we get to hate
let's just let's just target that to you by the way let's
just stop for a second and recognize the beauty of this
situation. People are sending money to send their hate this is
yes great system alright. Wait What did I do wrong? Why am I
being hated?
Okay, so anonymous through breeze sent 3333 sets and he
says you're the cringe one curry looking down your nose at TIPS
grow the fuck up
bombshell. Looking down my nose it dips
and and another one anonymous 3033
sounds like the same person.
He says through breeze again. Some of us work for tips by
choice and make great money doing it Get over yourself
I'm sorry
I don't know I don't know. I mean like this guy's really
angry and not not sure why but he paid us 6666 cents
no Yeah, no, that's that's the dead there is it?
Thank you for that. I recognize your poster.
Okay, Beelzebub has taken over
bill products and his 500 SAS and he says you were talking
about live shows and live donations with comments and how
would they work with boosts so I was just throwing ideas out
there oh he's responding to what was something we said Ross says
Can I get a half power I don't know if we have a half hour we
don't have a high power I can do this let me see I didn't have
that setup.
Let's Beelzebub voice right I've high power
high power Okay,
there you go. I do you want to start a podcast just for this
fun you guys have voices and
it gets old said this always happens with new gear Believe me
gets old like stop with the devil voice curry. Stop looking
down your nose at tips.
Yeah, yeah, grow the fuck up. Bill. Bill finishes off by
saying go podcasting especially the 2.01
podcast.
We'll get here okay. 13 133 sets and these. This is from hard hat
through Curio caster and he says pal have the pod. This pod pack.
I love the pod. Yeah. Paul Saltzman gave us 12 120 sets and
he says adding to my monthly cookbook support because I love
playing with all this stuff.
Oh man. Thank you, Paul. Thanks for that.
And the last loser gram is 100 SATs from anonymous on breeze
and he just says Nice job boys.
Thank you and then our our monthly our monthly fees Get
some monthly so here we go. This is really sustaining. Thank you
so much. I can see a lot of people transitioning from PayPal
to the booster Graham's really encouraging these sustaining
ongoing subscriptions are very much appreciated.
Yeah, every one of these represents servers that we don't
have to pay for and it's fantastic. droid works gave us
$20 Jeff Miller gave us $20 See, Dred Scott gave us $15 Thank
you. Scott Jalbert give us $12 Aaron Renaud $5 Pedro Goncalves,
$5 Michael kimmerer $5.33 Terry Keller gives 411 411 and Leslie
Martin gave us $2 thank you guys appreciate that's
very very much appreciated value for value bring it with your
time your talent your treasure. We still accept COC bucks but we
do prefer the booster grams anytime you feel like boost
bring it on with a podcast app a new one try one today new
podcast apps calm
Yeah,
Graham what what are some of the just most interesting uses of
lightning that you've been exposed to? Because I'm sure you
know, we're pretty hyper focused on stuff. What are the things
that you think are interesting just from maybe a technological
perspective or maybe use case
Yeah, I mean I think I think you guys are definitely on the I
think the front runners oh
yes it worked
Yeah, I mean that is the subtitle of the show.
Now I mean seriously like it is a it's always like my kind of my
go to example of what is possible with lightning and it's
really just the the value for value concepts whether it's
podcasting or video whatever it is the value for value concept I
think is very very powerful and is a great example of what's
possible with lightning and just being able to send you know send
money to anyone in the world peer to peer you know directly
in especially like inside of these applications i think is
just I think that that is just absolutely fascinating I love
what you guys have built out you know as just being kind of the
front runners in that so I mean I just I, I always go to
podcasting and value for value in my examples. So many I think
you guys are like, you know, one of the most interesting use
cases same with like Spanx and all these things, which is kind
of like it still goes down almost to that value for value,
you know, thing at the base of it.
I've seen that impervious day. They're doing some crazy
experiments. Have you seen their stuff? Yeah,
yeah, definitely the impervious is a very, very interesting
project. And I like a what a lot of the things that are being
developed on it, like they did a hackathon. And what is this just
it's it's called impervious AI is their website and it's a it's
almost like a layer three technology or it's a software
that you can use to incorporate lightning into applications so
people they had a hackathon here recently and people created like
a voice service where you would make phone calls and pay you
know for per minute or whatever with lightning, things like
that. So it makes it I think it's I think it's honestly like
a tool to bring value for value into these auxilary you know,
different use uses outside of you know, things like
podcasting.
Interesting.
Yeah, it's pretty interesting. I'm not sure some of this stuff
sound seems kind of limited because you end up having like,
if you're going to run a VPN over over lightning payloads, I
mean, that's sounds a little sort of walking a tightrope, but
yeah, yes. And I think some of it is there like you know, for
that example, I think that the the the spec of it is that the
VPN connection is using not using the lightning network
natively. It's still like a separate application there's
still peer to peer but it ties in with the lightning network to
where you're paying per minute but literally the packets on the
VPN aren't traveling in like TLV records
Okay, so I guess that that confused me because I know they
did that thing where they split up the mp3 split up an mp3 into
all these separate ports as an AMP payment and reassembled it
and played it back on
Yeah, yeah. And I think Yeah, I think that's maybe pushing it a
little bit on should be using this for but I mean, I think
that I think that the way that you guys are you know, doing
like I think like incorporating boosts and all these things and
you know, in the payload is, you know, makes perfect sense of,
you know, tie tying the payment to something.
So they're really billing themselves as layer three.
That's interesting. Yes, yes, sir. convincing digital
intermediaries in establishing p2p data transmissions is a
panacea for consumer privacy, data security, censorship,
resistance and countering surveillance. We'll need to hire
you
Yeah,
I need an exit strategy and you know this podcasting gig man is
killing me.
Yeah, he's the voice
man. This is uh, you know, it's it's pretty nerdy episode this
it was very nerdy but I know that a lot of people are so
interested in just the whole How does it work? What's it doing?
Where's it going? And you're really leaving a lot of that
gray it's really it's really phenomenal your great asset to
all of this
well I mean I appreciate that and I think that it is i mean
it's it's I'm a nerd at heart It's hard for me not to not to
get nerdy on a lot of this stuff especially when we're talking
about lightning network but just you know, for anyone out there
listening that's interested in this I mean, hit us up and we
have like a good support team that understands a lot of this
even from you know, not so technical so you need any help
at all like you know, our team is certainly willing to help
explain things or you know, get you on boarded however, however
you want to do that, so I apologize for being maybe a
little too nerdy on the episode but
I blame that on Dave
Yeah, take it I'll take it bring it now
but I mean, like so there's like there's there's a lot there's a
lot a lot here and it is hard to grasp but I mean, there's I
mean, just getting your toes wet one step at a time is the way to
do it. You know, we're as a service is happy to help you and
you know, whatever stage of the journey you're in.
I like that they see that you didn't mean it this way but us
as a service. that's a that's a great name for a product as you
know, you as this will be an ademar
totally us as a service. Dave Yeah, anything else we need to
discuss before we close up the meeting?
Now I think this was a this was sort of a Bitcoin II techie type
episode we'll be back to podcast or more podcasts focus episode
next week. We're having Brian London. Oh,
oh, my goodness. That's Well, well, you know what's gonna
happen? He's gonna bring the highest power.
Now. Yeah, now he's got the jingle to prove it.
Grant man, thank you so much for everything you're doing. And
thanks for joining us here at the board meeting for today.
Yeah, I mean, thanks, guys. Thanks to both of you. I mean,
you've you guys are like I said, the front runners and push and
lightning and all this stuff, which I i got i gotta commend
you both. I don't think we've had time to talk about your
guys's Bitcoin journey or anything like that. But I think
for you guys to come from, you know, your experience and what
you're doing seeing Bitcoin as a solution to a lot of these
things is I think that's, that's awesome. I think like, I'll
refer just a brief second, but I think that you guys could have
taken this and created podcast token and done a bunch of crazy
shit with it. That would have been honestly pretty bad, but I
commend you for doing it the way that you're doing it and, and,
and looking out for, you know, these content creators, you
know, in an honest and sincere way, so I mean, thank you guys.
Well, it's it's a pleasure. We're just having a good time,
right, Dave?
Yeah, yeah. If it wasn't fun, we wouldn't be doing it. I can
promise Yes.
Like, Alright kids, go figure the podcasting yourself. Dammit.
We're not having everybody else here in the boardroom. Thank you
very much for joining us. We'll be back next Friday with another
edition of the board meeting for podcasting. 2.0 Until then, take
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