podcasting 2.0 for October 8 2021, Episode 57 with the
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the man who's doing all of his state tax return filing single
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gonna have some extra money to do it, too. It wasn't like we
have, like we get our friends in India. They're charging for
admission to the index. You know, this is the latest hotness
in
women. I have not heard of any of this. What's going on?
Yeah, so the Swedish trickler found a post on a website in
some kind of Indian SEO. Yeah, yeah, that is charging $20 for
to submit five podcasts to podcast and expecting a stream
of money to come and start coming our way.
Yeah, don't hold your breath. That's interesting. Yeah, I just
I just did the the Italian podcast festival. I did a little
20th grab this Tell me what this was fun. Well, this was Julio
Leonardo. She I can't remember who do we have on the show who's
in Italy.
Oberto Oberto from RSS calm right
i think it was Alberto someone hooked me up with these guys So
anyway, so they reached out hey, you know we'd love to have you
speak at the Italian podcasting festival. I'm like in person.
Like No, no, it's virtual. Okay, so there goes to the trip like
us too bad. I could have used that. Willow is there Yes,
Willow and her and her whole family. She's been there for
almost 30 years now. I think
she's me she's Italian now pretty much yeah in feud Enza
Florence. So I like okay you know what day is it is Friday
off Fridays my day by I don't like to do two things on one day
I'm just nasty that way. Okay, Friday and they're like well,
can you do it at 9am Well, that would be Thursday in the middle
of the night for me if you want me to from 9am on Fridays, but I
can do 9am my time to okay well then it'll be 4pm I perfect so
anyway, we set it up. And it was actually it was pretty tight and
it was even though they had I guess it was there. I don't know
exactly where they were but they had four different tracks. They
had multicurrency they had multiple studios, podcast
studios, although it was an online event Yeah, it looked
pretty professional they had split screens go on they had
bumpers and you know they even had a timed bumper for me and
this yeah and at decent when you're done just go Viva
podcasting. I said okay, so you know I did a little better not
podcasting. But the cool thing was I had my my this I text my
sister I said I gotta have something gotta say something
funny to start off with you
know. I'm Italian lingo.
Well, you know her husband is a pretty famous comedian.
Alexandre Apache. Yeah, okay, so that gave me this line. And of
course I had it all written down and I was cribbed and I knew
exactly how to do it and it goes like this I want to second my
Yes, I Bongiorno. A tutti quelli belly a Anka equilibrio at which
I'm told sounds pretty good
that's bad I mean I'll buy he's like that so
it's good Good morning everybody. To all the pretty
people and all the ugly people she said don't worry they'll go
over great they love that here it's okay but there's no
feedback right I'm just it's just me cracking jokes like Bill
Maher during the lockdown Yeah, I was like no audience I have no
idea if it if it if it went over at all.
So it's like the destiny Italian equivalent of like I just flew
into Chicago and boy My arms are tired I
think it's a little better than that. But and it may it may be
as bad Yeah, exactly. So ballin that was cool man. I'd lay down
the 2.0 smack you know,
when the What were you on? Like what was the reasoning behind
you being like what was the topic? I am the podcast,
whatever you wanted to time. Literally night literally.
Literally like you're the pod father. You Got 20 minutes and
go. Like
so I mean that's what we're gonna do with Brian of London.
It's gonna be like Okay, hi go. No, yeah, my 30 to 45 minutes.
Oh, you're cutting him short. Oh my god. Oh, that's five minutes
was good and then I'm doing they finally came through the Megyn
Kelly show on Tuesday.
When is that gonna happen? That's live on Tuesday.
Oh that happened to get this okay this Tuesday this Tuesday,
and I think yeah, I think it's live on Sirius XM and then it's
then her podcast comes out.
Did you ever figure out whether or not this was like the main
podcast or some side podcast
now? It seems like she's just converted her whole podcast into
this with the Sirius XM deal. And you know, so now it's not no
longer is it? Hey, just chat for an hour or whatever. No, it's
like well, you have 40 minutes and I'm sure they have
commercial breaks and it's gonna say I'm excited about talking
like, I mean, her podcast is what I'm interested and I think
the Sirius XM stuff just gets in the way to be honest and has to
be on video.
Is it gonna be just you for the whole podcast or
is it I don't think so. I don't know this is unclear I think she
has multiple guests on so I don't know if you can get held
over or go with another segment or because you know it's gonna
be 10 minutes MTV guy.
Yeah, that's
gonna be me. Uh, maybe podcast.
I mean you Bob you know how to bob and weave around that and
get you know, get into what you Wally. Yeah, yeah. MTV Ba ba ba.
Oh, yeah, that's exactly right to the same degree.
As we do in that a lot. Do you hear that? Meghan? What was
that? I'm hearing something
we get this Cajun in the room.
Here's something about abuse I'm not sure is this on your end
over there series.
It's a shame you can't get these mega
It's too bad she isn't doing the podcast the way she used to do
it because she was doing these great post reads. And I had my
line already it's like Megan, I really want to invite you to
podcasting 2.0 and value for value because I just can't hear
you talk about your legacy box anymore. It's just like so I
can't do that joke. Because I don't think sponsor Oh, she's
got real like real sponsors now No, I don't know. Sirius XM?
What would a sponsor for Megyn Kelly look like it would mean is
that gonna be like Procter and Gamble.
Well, legacy box was literally one of our sponsors. You know,
the typical Squarespace type ads. That's that's what she was
getting.
When Warby Parker Yeah, that idea interests that idea in a
box. Okay. And I really
think I've just been noticing all these changes in mainstream
is, this all started when when I heard that Nielsen had lost
their certification for their rating system. You know, for the
math, as it were just kind of critical when you're providing
television ratings. So they lost their certification, the
streaming guys are just refusing to participate in ratings. And
so the way artists are compensated is changing. It's no
longer you know, the big residuals, it's not based upon
performance. It's not based upon how many people streamed it, or
how many people used it, what it's actually based on,
certainly for the for crew, and such, as, you know, the big,
they got some pretty strong unions for Hollywood, television
and radio to film, this dragon, right? Well, they have approved
a strike, they've approved a strike, and I think they will go
on strike because what's going on with them is their contracts
are based upon how big the audience is of the streaming
company. So Apple, who claimed to have less than 20 million
subscribers, pay these people less for their productions. And
Netflix has to pay them more, because that's kind of working
out to be the way the unions are negotiating. But it's not based
on residuals, the actors. Also, you know, there's just not that
much residual business anymore.
So they split Okay, let me let me try to get an understanding
of this better what you're saying is that it's not it is or
is not based on total, like monthly active users.
What What are you talking about
now television is in the residuals, no streaming, guys?
No, no,
no. So good point. Oh, because this works the same for music,
but let's just keep it with let's keep it with film and
television kind of the same. Let's do television, just
because it's easier because that's where we have a lot of ad
interruptions in mainstream. So if you have a television show
friends, and you know, you're all actors, and also the writers
and there's many people who have deep deals that are based upon
the long term profits of that product that you'll get usually
certainly unknown actors, they'll get scale. And then
they'll get some points on some fictional back end over time.
But we actually have very similar to ASCAP BMI for
television, there's no there's ways that this is tracked and
television stations that air it have to pay money. And that does
go down the line and it winds up through collection agencies and
winds up in the pockets of the people where it belongs. So if
the kind of the rule of thumb is if you have five seasons of a
show, and this is Seinfeld friends, yeah, you know, cause
the Star Trek you name it, then you know that that going into
syndication, which means all these Podunk stations not just
around America, but around the world. And you know, that's why
they wind up still playing him at three in the morning, you
know, they're paying for the for the for the rights. So that's so
it's very calculable, or used to be calculable. But now that's
going away, because the only way that the stations can actually
afford to pay for the rights to broadcast these shows or series
is if they have the ads against it. And they just don't have the
numbers of viewers anymore because people are out there
waiting. You know, that's like the way to season catch it on
Hulu, with no ads. You know, they're they're watching a
limited run television series on on the streamers as well. So the
streamers they decided early on. We're just going to do buyout.
So you work in this production. You're an actor, I'll give you
$20 million. But you know, residuals, you give me 25
million done. That's it, we own it forevermore. And that's a big
change.
So what if you take the 20 million with residuals, the
residuals are based on which number?
the residuals are based upon payments made for broadcast
rights.
Okay, so like, if you're Apple, and you have some show, like Ted
lasso, then the people that worked on Ted lasso, do they, if
they get any residual from zero, they get 00.
And worse, because it was if if Netflix. So the contracts with
the union state, I don't, I don't wanna get too boring on
this, but 20 million and under subscribers, members of the
streaming service, you get $75 per hour, between 20 million and
50 million subscribers in the streaming service, they will pay
you $100 an hour has nothing to do with your performance has
nothing to do with how many people watch is just based upon
the number that by the way is unverifiable. Just Apple's just
telling you,
that's the MA you number, that's that's the monthly active users.
No, no, that's their subscriber number. That's how many people
are paying Apple monthly, not even if they're using it, just
how much you're paying it monthly.
So the active part is irrelevant. It's just how many
completely and then and it's arbitrary to say that's true, or
it's arbitrary. Yeah, I
mean, Apple can say whatever they want. So that's why Ladies
and gentlemen, the value for value splits, although it seems
like a cool little quirky deal for podcasting is in fact a
distributed digital royalty system. And it's working. Holy
crap, I put Graham's node into the previous episode. Has he
gotten any right away He's like, Oh, this is kind of cool.
Because it just keeps on flowing in you know, and it's like he
gets six satoshis 10 satoshis or depends up there goes a boost
you know that kind of stuff. I don't know if anyone boosted him
directly he a fountain just implemented.
It was bliss. Yeah. Yep. And then so that's that's the
fountain. Curia caster is Brees doing episode level splits.
I know that I don't know if it's done but I know max. Hillenbrand
has just been all over. They're good. They get of that guy. He's
great. Max is great, man. You don't want him wanting something
from you though? No, I like to watch him one thing. Yes. Other
people. Yeah. And we got a super nice endorsement from Gigi.
About value for value.
Oh yeah.
Holy crap. So this is all good.
But you know that makes me that makes me think of that. Did you
see this? If you did or not this think about get another gimlet
podcast have called a heavyweight is going to be an
exclusive on Spotify?
Yes, I did. I did. And then some of the listeners are pissed.
Yes. So you know, what I typically do is mighty goes
exclusive. I try to get clips. So we can mock then. And yes,
this is this show is unclip. I mean Oh, really? That's too bad.
It's it's super like NPR sound.
And what it's about days.
I don't really know what oh my god.
So right now we're exclusive on Spotify.
I encourage everybody to download the app.
It's a free app. It's free. It's a free app. Here on Spotify
exclusive no credit card. You sound like a sex line now. No
credit card needed.
It will come through your phone bill. Yeah. But they like I
don't understand this. And I want I want to this was from I
think, is this TechCrunch?
Well, we will diverge. I think when this comes the thing that
James and I were going back and forth about which I got from
Twitter, which of course is not a greatest source, but it was
overheard in an investor relation call overheard. Yeah.
But what was cool is that James said, Oh, you know, and I'm
gonna read it right here. So here's here's what I did. I sent
the screenshot overheard on Investor Relations called quote,
when Spotify says 21 or 22% of users engaged with podcast
content. What does engagement mean answer? monthly active
user, who had users who have consumed podcast content for
greater than zero milliseconds for the last 30 days from the
period end indicated.
That's the lowest bar in all of media.
I mean, that's even worse than the YouTube and face bag bar. I
think it's three seconds with face bag.
I mean, if you walk in the room and even sniff a podcast,
they're gonna
play. We got to play engage, engage. I saw you sniffing it's
an engagement. And James closing in Cridland replied on the on
the podcast index on social in case you wondered, this is
mostly true, except the overheard on investor relation
called the 22% number comes from the q3 2020 results. And Spotify
counts as a monthly active user as, as the total count of ad
supported users and Premium subscribers that have quote,
consumed content for greater than zero milliseconds in the
last 30 days. But it wasn't from the arc, okay. Yeah,
I love the I mean, I just love the hue, the I love that they're
saying it out loud. Yeah, greater than zero milliseconds.
And the fact that they use the term
milliseconds is easily funnier,
that if you hit point one, bam, good to go,
baby.
That's a stream.
I mean, we haven't even dealt with Milla satoshis yet, they're
already doing milliseconds. I mean, we can do value for value
for a millisecond. If you want Spotify, no problem,
even route that you can even route that lightning network as
a fee. Yeah, no, it's I just don't understand why these
things keep going. Because this is what the verge said. It said,
it says, I reached out to Spotify for clarification on why
heavyweight is going exclusive. And what the goal is with this
move, and a spokesperson referred me to this August blog
post, which posits and to offer an explanation boat, which says
basically nothing. The clear, the clear sentence that could
pass as an explanation is maybe this one. We believe that
streaming is the future of all audio listening, and that our
technology can provide the opportunity for the podcast
ecosystem to grow blah, blah, blah. So then it says,
Therefore, if you're listening on app, haste, they goes in
source pontificating about what they could possibly be doing. He
says, if you're listening on Apple podcasts, or podcast, or
pocket casts, or anywhere else, Spotify misses its opportunity
to leverage the data it collects to not only serve better ads,
but in the case of Gamla shows, also sell more of them. Plus,
listening on Spotify means more ads. Okay, so that's, it says,
plus you listening on Spotify means it also has a better
chance of converting you into a paying subscriber. So I just
don't buy either one of those, honestly, oh, not at all. And
the more ads I don't see, I listen to this show, the content
of the show, as it stands now, before it's even on Spotify. The
content doesn't even start until the three minute mark. Yeah,
everything else is pre roll.
This is and this is the change in consumer behavior that people
are fighting against in podcasting, maybe even more so.
People don't want ads, they skip them, they don't care about
them. Of course, advertising works and i and i still if I
think this the smartest ad and I'm just gonna call it that it's
like a house ad is when James Cridland talks about captivate
and it will talk about how great their launches and the great
product and they'll say and by the way, I'm advisor you know
but now that and I think and I believe him when he says that I
believe that he thinks is really good whatever product that is
I'm cool with that whether you say I'm an advisor I got paid or
it's my brother doesn't matter I love talking about products and
I love being honest about them the cast scam is trashed is a
piece of crap
by the way
I have it right here
yeah i love it i love the fact that you've gone back to the oh
this I was so off my game
I know it I got a really good response from from somebody
because the problem there is you are not getting the typical
signal back from me you were getting uncompressed on poorly
mixed crap right that it just didn't sound right and it threw
you off weird and it threw me off to someone said you know I
heard I noticed the sound difference and although it did
sound kind of nice it wasn't a problem I really felt like you
died a little inside that's exactly right. That's what it
felt like I died a little bit
I felt like he felt like the the sound difference was so drastic
that it was throwing your you off mentally
Oh, of course it was it's very important. Now I did
I did this is like being in a warm blanket. You know? This is
perfect
well I did just because I can't help myself I did order the
revelator I owe 24 from personas
oh you order that for the god voice
well I ordered it because I looked at it and I said you know
it's 199 bucks and who was who was who recommended this who was
it someone on the map
that was Matt as Matt Matt Matt Harris from cast x right
and and although he didn't answer the questions I had and I
screw it I'm just going to order it and it came in and so after
the show today I'm gonna hook it up I don't think it does what I
need it to do but I might as well because all the minutes
will do this because all of these boxes that are sold as you
know all in one podcasting are perfect for perfect for
podcasting. No No they're not they're missing things they're
good they're good for someone doesn't know what they're doing
but they're not great and certainly not for live then you
know they have a lot of great features and they could update
all of this stuff in software I'm sure but they don't so
anyway so I'm going to try this by will have to start sending
stuff back Of course if I mean it would surprise me if this
personas outdid the Moto because the Moto was just
started doing unboxings
Let me think no i did the unboxing before okay I guess
exactly
well i mean that that's yeah that's an inch the whole the
whole thing with with why people don't send you stuff to review
that along this line is me is beyond me
I know I understand this so are the audio guy it's so obvious
it's because that's not how it works you send it to the people
who are going to give you a good review because they either paid
by you or you know they find that the box is good enough this
is they know that I will be honest and that I will talk
about it I'm not going to sign NDA is and stuff so this is
okay. I mean that's why I love talking about products because
we have no advertising it's safe I like it or not. And you know
what? There's a new product I like from the same people who
brought you Curio Castor the value caster. Did you see what
he's done?
Oh, he taught me the thing with the list. Yeah, yeah,
it's beautiful. And I can see we have 2189 valued and value
enabled podcasts.
Many of those coming from
our guest for today our guest Yes, I think we shall bring him
in. Ladies and gentlemen, would you please welcome to the board
meeting of podcasting. 2.2 point oh, from the promised land the
master of the hive. Ladies, Gentlemen, sir Brian of London.
Hey, pal of the pod. Hello, everybody. Good to be here.
Brian. Do 45 minutes or 45
minutes to give you a high pitch man. Like here we go. Now before
actually, dude, you've really done something incredible
against all odds. Mainly against mockery and people laughing
behind your back. I know. You know we did it. Yeah. You
really, really?
Yep.
You really did a super impressive thing with hive,
enabling value for value and you know it. I'm not quite sure
exactly. I mean, I know it's all strung together and stuff and
you provide very detailed reports of your progress.
Which people like our people love it. Oh
yes. It's the first thing I look at in the morning. Screw pod
News. I'm going straight to Brian of London's high report.
Well Yes, hello spring was that pumping was the gateway drug.
You know, pumping was the pumping was how I got you. You
hooked? Well that brings that there was something useful that
that brings up a good a good segue here into the interview
that heartland had with Chris Messina yesterday on yesterday's
show Yeah, they were talking I thought it was overall I thought
it was a really good interview. And I like I think all of us
nerds like hearing about you know, the old tech or not old
tech but the way that the the way that these protocols came
about and all that kind of stuff, we like that thing. And
but then he he starts talking about about webs and that kind
of deal. And I think obviously to be fair to him he was coming
in cold I mean he didn't really he obviously didn't understand
all the details of what we've been doing here. No,
no, I can't wait to give you my two cents on this. Okay, well, I
know him.
Oh Go Go give me your two cents right up front then.
I remember the whole atom gang these were a bunch of assholes.
And if I recall now I was a hell of a lot less sophistic I'm
sorry Brian we're just gonna get right down to it I think we
should
I was there at that
I know a lot of people were around five right so Weiner and
I are you know we're doing we're doing the podcast we're doing
trade secrets I think was the show but we're but all the while
you know we were developing the podcast the RSS 2.0 spec I guess
and the way so I wasn't I had no idea what I was doing was not
sophisticated in programming any of this stuff. So this was my
impression at the time and it was search surrounded show notes
interestingly enough so i and i will say I completely myself
came up with show notes the concept and including it with
with a podcast and putting show notes into the feed and there
was a group of people were like hey, you know, we need to have
it it needs to be a tag item level tag in the in the feed for
show notes. And Dave said no and and Dave said he said no, that's
Yeah, I know isn't crazy. And at that point, I really didn't have
an opinion one way or the other I was happy putting adjusting
the description and it didn't really matter to me I didn't see
why there had to be like in hindsight I understand much
better why people might have been asking for that. But Dave
said no, and of course RSS is much more general than just
podcasting. And he said you can always extend it with a
namespace and and that was and I held on to that and of course
that has worked very favorably for the podcasting 2.0 project
but then came the atom guys and and they also approached me like
hey man, you should be using Adam like sucks and you know we
could do so much more and it's a lot richer and Microsoft
supports it and they just seem slimy and they would you know,
the conversations will get heated and would get nasty and
so in then for a while there there was a there was a real
push to get people to only put atom feed links on their
websites and basically RSS one I mean it's just if there was ever
a battle that RSS was involved in it one but the way that
Muslim Chris Yes, yeah, Chris Messina the way he was talking
was like well you know it to me it was sounded really
patronizing it's like well you know, what are these guys really
know i mean didn't really think it through you know, and by the
way we did have the Adam did all this we had all those things
arranged I'm doing the voice that he doesn't have but that's
how it came across to me you see Okay, that was my two cents
Yeah. Brian. Before I do my thing i mean i don't want to
invite you into the boardroom and then just like you know,
have a seminar here.
Well the ping pop well that Firstly, they haven't invited me
on the show to actually tell them how pumping came about or
how it works so good point perhaps that will happen now i'm
sure but the you know, the genesis of popping was was just
that one dev meeting where you were going to you presented your
sort of, can I say hideously over complicated replacement for
webs up that fair, you know, with with with the with the
monster name because you call it Hydra? eyes? Yes. I just kept
thinking this is what we're doing in hive, and it was like
We've got all these computers all over the world, they're
doing a whole big social network thing. And they can just do this
for breakfast. This is trivial because it's, it's less than a
bit, you know, there's massive game that runs on hive, called
splinter Lan, to just taken off in a huge way now, actually, I
think they've signed up there millions player or something.
And what we're doing with pulping is, you know, point one
6% of the traffic that they generate. And it just, it just
makes sense. And it's the first time it's the first time I you
know, I've been doing the whole blockchain thing for a couple of
years. Learning about it, using the cryptocurrencies and the
Bitcoin and all that. But I was also like, hugely skeptical
every time someone said to me, oh, you can use a blockchain for
that, genuinely, you couldn't. And and I'm so pleased and proud
that is this kind of other use for a blockchain. It's not
money, it's not exchange of tokens. It's not NF T's or
whatever they are. And, but it is, it is a use that we can't
think of a better way of doing it right now.
But you know, that's a good, that's a really good way to say
it, because what I was hearing, I'll talk I'll give my opinion
on the atom thing first, because Adam, Adam, and RSS. You know,
the atom did solve a problem. It was I'm really, I'm very much
resisting the the urge to say a better format, because I think
that word is just not accurate. It's loaded. It's just not fair.
But so the difference. To me, the main difference between Adam
and RSS is that Adam is more opinionated about the basics in
a way that gives you a spec that is easier to consume in a in a
sane way. You know, I'll give you I'll give you some specific,
specific reasons for that. One of the biggest weaknesses of RSS
2.0, and I'm talking about this purely from a consumer from an
aggregator standpoint, one of RSS is big 221 is biggest
weaknesses. Is that Is not it does not specify clearly enough.
What the required, excuse me, is not the spec. It's, it does not
have enough required base level tags. So, you know, just looking
at the spec itself. So for an episode, okay. In the spec, it
says, at the item level, all elements of an item are
optional. However, at least one of title or description must be
present. So you can literally have an RSS 2.0. item, item
block. Yeah, it only has a title in it.
Yeah. That was only and I know why he did that. Because why?
Because he understood Twitter, before Twitter was Twitter.
The problem though, is you can't track that.
Oh, I know. I'm not saying I'm not saying it was right. But I
know why he did it.
Yeah. So you can't like imagine a feed. Imagine an RSS feed that
has 3000 items in it. All of which have only a title.
Yeah, no GUI, no link, no, nothing unique, right?
And every title is exactly the same string of text. Right? You
cannot you can't that's untrackable you don't know if
somebody deletes 1000 of them? Which 1000 do you delete? I
mean, like, you have no idea what this that's, that's part of
the issue with RSS. And so that's when with Adam, you get
more sane base level required tag requirements that allow
consumers of the feed to hand to to handle it properly. So that
that to me like that, oh, this whole thing of ours is 2.0 this
this lack of base level required tags has been just a fight
for forever, forever, forever. Forever. I've heard it so many
times.
Yeah, it's uh, but so then if you what I think with Chris,
what he did he he's looking he thinks about web sub, you know,
to him in this, I think a lot of people are like this in the in
the spec world. It's like, Oh, well, there's already a spec for
that. Right. Right. But, you know, sometimes the spec
doesn't, doesn't fit the use
case doesn't take off for whatever reason.
Yeah. Now web sub has you could say I don't know if you could
say that. It's taken A lot of people use it. But the problem
with web sub, and I've gone now said this a million times. But
the problem was scribing. Yes, for podcast is the problem with
web sub is scale. Web sub cannot scale in a way that in a way
that doesn't make a lot of things fall down. It's the scale
on paper website looks like a great protocol. And it is a
great protocol. It's a great spec. But if you're if you're
talking about subscribing to 5000 feeds, it works perfectly
or even 25,000 feeds it works perfectly. When you're talking
about subscribing to 2 million feeds. It come it just becomes a
shit show. Only that is perfectly
because Google is in the middle providing the massive lift. And
that's one of the bits that scared me about it. Because you
know, I've come from a background I got into I got into
crypto when I got banned from Facebook. There's no point going
into why I was personally
bad. Do you mean there's no point
and no, no, no, Dave? Don't encourage him. There's no point.
Oh, yeah. Okay. No, I can say all right, so I was running.
Facebook. Yeah,
yes. She's
Wait, wait, wait. 123 boosts?
Yeah, boost this, I was running one of the biggest political
Facebook pages in the UK, we have more than a million
followers on you know, with the silly, silly numbers that
Facebook gave you. And the the guy who I was running it for is
controversial. Let's just put it that way. And we put out a video
that attacked the BBC that showed the BBC to be doing some
very, very bad things. And 24 hours later with a press
release, Facebook deleted the page, deleted all, you know, all
access to all the followers at all. Obviously, they deleted the
personal pages of all of the people who had ever been admins
on the page, which took out my my page. And it was gone.
Whoosh, whoosh. And, and they actually told the press that it
was because the page had called for the beheading of people,
which we had never done, and there was no screenshot, and
Facebook can get away with that. And they told us the Daily Mail
before they even canceled the page. So I actually I saw the
Daily Mail headline, and then only about 20 minutes later did
the page disappear.
So that's what that's when you show up to work and the doors
locked. And then you read in the news that they shut the place
down or the school
burned down? Yeah, I got kicked off following
that I read, you know, I really got the message. You cannot rely
on any of these, these these platforms. So anything like it,
as soon as I see Google in the middle of it, or Amazon or
Facebook or WhatsApp or any of these people, it's like I run a
million miles. And, you know, I know we all joke how many times
I'm going to say hi, take a drink. But Clive is something
weirdly different. Because the I agree congri there's no company.
And that I think going forward, you know if we're going to look
at advertising as censorship, well, you know, the weak spot of
all media is going to be anybody who has a masthead, anybody
who's got an LLC, a sign on the door, a place where the where
the FBI can turn up with, with sledgehammers one morning and
steal the computers from me
that I think that you make a really good point about Google
sort of being the thing that props up website and the whole
the whole website ecosystem right now. I don't think that
that is I think that is a critical, critical point.
Because imagine, okay, let's imagine that you have a really
fairly popular podcast. And let's, let's just say you're
running it on your web, on your power press your web, web, what
am I talking about WordPress server. And, you know, it's got
a power press has webs are baked into it. Let's just all of a
sudden, let's say that you get you go from, you know, 300
subscribers to, I don't know, let's just say 250,000. So now,
your web, your WordPress box, has to send web subscriptions
for 250,000 subscribers. That's not gonna happen. You know, and
you can't cash it. You can't cash it. It's got to be live.
It's got to be reachable. It's just that's what I'm saying is
the scale the scale may it makes that that protocol untenable. If
anyone
is interested in what we're talking about pod ping can be
watched at pod ping dot watch. It is fascinating to see every
Gosh, I guess it's every 10 seconds. Right with the block.
dates you just see that three or three seconds oh it seems like
okay three second block well then I'm getting I'm getting
something here we go boom another one's just about 10
seconds in between and it's just a fantastic view of podcasts
that have been updated now is this purely from the external
pings? Are we doing internals now as well? Or where are we at
what is this showing these is only showing people who are
clearly exiting purely external and so we still don't have
anchor participating obviously.
The one the host that I want to get on pod ping, there's nothing
brown would agree Yes, Lipson. Definitely lips and what
the fuck is wrong with you Lipson.
Sorry, listen, save the world. save the world. Now, because the
energy you know that that's the other thing and I am not a
greeny though I did dry I drove an electric car. Five years it
was
another scam. I'm yours with these damn replaceable
batteries. Another another failed adventure Brian.
It was cool.
It was cool. I met but now you're in the paddleboard game
so that's exactly
now I saw all that stuff. But if you know this, it's censorship.
I'm trying to get around censorship always. So how can we
censor hive? The truth is we can't stop anybody pod pinging
we can choose whose pod pings to ignore Yeah, if you do that.
Yeah, that's it. It's permissionless it's permission
Anyone? Anyone can jump in so forth.
Yeah, beautiful. It is truly a thing of beauty.
Oh yeah, I mean if Lipson would get on board I would love to
have a cast on board. The those guys
Stacy's over there now isn't she? Yeah, okay, so I should
make it happen.
Like there's there's about SoundCloud Oh God, I would love
to have SoundCloud doing doing pod bank because they're,
they're a pain in the butt to do
and if this was really this pod,
this SoundCloud does anybody even know anybody that works at
SoundCloud Is it one of the is it just a black box or does
you know they got they were bought a long time ago who
bought them I forgot who bought them and that's when they
announced they were doing RSS feeds and but they've they've
you know they're always going to kind of be the thing where you
put your music up and and people comment on I don't know maybe
they well
Brian to talk about the the Rube Goldberg machine that is the
hive to lightning gate. Lightning
Bolt Hold on a second hold on let me get ready for you Brian.
I wanted to know I need I need Adam Curry to purses. I've got
high power button
do we have this Do I have a jingle that is that is just that
you can do it I just thought I had that screen and I
should have had that let me go No.
Yeah, okay so that what I put in place you know at first I sort
of I looked at the lightning and I thought what is this? If
lightning is the Rube Goldberg machine because I can send I did
say yes but I've been able to send any amount of hives that I
want which you know some of it's even denominated in US dollars i
can send it anywhere in the world without worrying about how
many channels I've got open and we're where the beads are on the
abacus. I mean really think about my Abacus
man I'm letting you go Brian go ahead man. We can take I can
take a few more hands it's good. You hit us with them come on.
Bring it bring
me right No, no, I'm good. I'm you're gonna like the payback.
But I did after after looking at it really carefully because
that's the point is that you can't dismiss these technologies
that so many people have worked on for so long, you know, you're
not doing yourself a disservice if you just dismiss them out of
hand. So by looking at it closely, I realized it can do
something which hive really can't do and which very few
other kryptos have managed which is this spinning up of anonymous
small wallet really easily to get whether they're custodial or
noncustodial It doesn't matter. You get a thing on your phone
and you have 20,000 SATs in it which is an amount of money that
anybody with $1,000 iPhone doesn't care about Okay, you
know if you're carrying about a 20,000 SATs on your iPhone, you
shouldn't be building the iPhone right? And you know, that's a
good point. Yeah, we can all we all but having these little
wallets that you can make these micro payments out of that cool
and they're anonymous, which is
a good point. I never thought that that is that is as a USP
for lightning, but I see exactly what you're saying. Yeah I guess
so I guess so
because because one of the costs within hive hive carries quite a
high cost to create an account because you've got to have I
mean an internal sort of cost it's mostly hidden from the
users
I know I know what you need yeah you need high
you actually do you do and I got enough I know now but that
that's always been the onboarding problem for hi so
this thing of having all what you've built so far with the
value for value with apps able to have wallets with small
amounts you know with with with pocket money in them and to just
send that out that works really well but on the receiving side
is where I think pi bring something new to the party
because you know, once I got my own little umbral, Raspberry Pi
umbral node running and stuff and I went through like it took
me more than 10 days to synchronize it it's better now
that is you know it's that's that's not gonna happen I know
you dream of everybody having their own node Adam but it's
really a my you
really don't know me Brian. I've really given up on that dream. I
know I just I know what will happen eventually but it's gonna
be a while.
I mean, I'm just really proud that when I told my kid
yesterday that to the day before that twitch had been hacked and
I said he needs to change his password he wrote back said I
already know and his password is in one password so I'm teaching
my kids well but the rest of my family they haven't got a clue
what password sanity you know, safety is they're all using the
same passwords on everything. And these people are not going
to be running their own lightning nodes. So for that,
and hive is not perfect, but it is a lot easier to receive stuff
because you can go to bed at night without a computer in your
house running and you can just receive Hi, so what I've built
is just that little bridge it takes some lightning that
arrives on my node and I immediately pay it out as hype
and that works I've got a lot of work to do on scaling but it
works for now.
It's go ahead dude.
Yeah, one of the things that makes me sort of one thing that
makes me happy about this whole thing is the three speak stuff
Yeah, because that is truly a an onboard like you can This is me
it
makes a massive edit massive onboarding. Yeah massive are
people aware people aware Okay,
I'll tell you why I tell you what's being built
seems seems like we need to help with some marketing or
something. Yeah,
this is part of
it. We don't need to help anybody with marketing but
hey, you know I'm the pod father I can appear
Yeah, call people ugly mind the scenes three speaker doing a
huge amount of work on on backend stuff, which is to make,
which is to incentivize sport, mass storage, and a kind of
content delivery network. And they're going to build a token
system and that just it's really clever, but they're really
focused on that. But I have got a little bit of resources with
them to just turn them into what I think they can be immediately
which is the first video podcast hopes yes in years yeah, cuz
nobody's done it. YouTube. YouTube used to be and I
remember the earliest days of YouTube I put up a video of Ann
Coulter that got millions of millions of hits, you know
stolen from the BBC. Of course. It used to have RSS feeds for
your videos, right? I remember and, and I've put RSS feeds into
three speak. Now the bit that's just on the verge of being
published is a back end which will all it's really simple all
it will do is let the channel owners set the podcast title the
description, and you know, an iTunes Apple compliant and, and
people there don't understand why I'm going so nuts to say it
has to be Apple compliant.
Here's the question. Here's a weird question. So what if
someone posts a new sensor in hive land anyway? someone posts
a new video on three speak. Shouldn't it just basically hit
pod ping and pod ping? Oh, go? Oh, cause I don't have you.
You're now in the database. That's how it works.
It does. Yeah. Right now I've got a Lenovo t 530
laptop stop trying to impress me Stop trying to impress me.
It's running Ubuntu. And it just sits at my parents house. And it
watches the hive blockchain every time it sees a new post by
three speak it turns it into a pod. So that's because we tried
to find in the source code. It was easy now
is this a do you think? is a good long term permanent
solution. Just asking because the thing is Brian, Brian, I
have to I have to say, I'm fucking with you because you are
exactly like me in that regard. Dave. Dave can attest to it. I'm
exactly that way. I got a laptop and it's running and it's doing
its bridging this but it can't be unplugged because the battery
dies in 10 seconds. You're like me so I'm laughing with you at
myself believe me.
I absolutely know and listen my first computer was the xetex 81
I think I said exceed 80
yeah the ad no yeah, you know why?
Yes. Why you gotta have handlers that's why you have handlers I
mean Adams handler Gates
is a chaperone we do this it's completely it's completely true
escorted me through a Dave
you know what
we needed so not but now we need I mean, the missing link is
we're nice we're not here's what we really need if I can just say
it'd be easy and you could sink your teeth into this Brian you
could do this is you ready? You want me to tell you what you
should be doing you sir Brian of London in Israel you should be
building the three speak video app
and doing it
okay and it was great having you on the show
but it's got to run it can't be running on a Lenovo laptop No
no,
no it has to it has to be in anyone will jump in to help but
we need a way to just make a web app don't don't fuck around with
anything else
now but this is the beauty of what you've built so far we
don't need it because the apple This is why I have to get back
to why I'm I'm going nuts making them more comply with Apple's
podcast requirements is because our video app is the podcast app
in Apple which is unblockable it's not going to be taken off
the iPhone store and and it's gonna be every one of the web to
face is going to be every one of the podcasting 2.0 apps I want I
want everything everywhere. So I don't I mean if
I can just make if I can just make a thing just make a
recommendation. People have been trained to interact with video
differently and I'm always surprised when I hear someone
say particularly around here you know a lot of people very sick
and tired of Silicon Valley. So I don't watch the YouTube
anymore I watched bits you so and they're using bits shoot to
you know, look at other things and surf around and to them that
is not a podcast app. And podcasting is a whole different
app even though it could be all the same thing. I believe that
that will happen. But if there was one dedicated app that only
showed three speak.tv and had a wallet in there and had a whole
front to back mechanism I think it would be fucking killer and
that would take people to three speak
yeah yeah now listen, I'm I'm with you and it's a matter of
the ocean that's that we're trying to boil here. And
now you're not listening to me. You just need to find my
commands.
I have three speakers go you know that they're working in the
different direction which is to incentivize backend storage
because that's the other part we're all looking at the guy who
speak the guys at hive they're looking how do we stop people
being taken off to the web right and at the moment you know you
you latched on to ipfs quite early but it's a it's a
catastrophe
we'd never if if it was meant to be we would have done it because
it's been in the freedom controller for years it just
never had never had this we've seen the failures with the with
the index download it's just a lot of parts that can that can
mess up and quite honestly i think you know, we're really
ipfs is really the the the NFT infrastructure of choice and
that's really what they're focused on and you know, and the
nice guys and everything who are doing all that but I understand
they got their focus on the end.
dhts in general are just too they're just too slow and narky
for for this stuff. Yeah, yeah.
Well, I've got some confidence in what they're building but
there's no point me You know, I'm not the expert in what
they're they're building out but but the goal here, the goal is
always decentralized, but not crazy decentralized. So we're
never going to store video on a blockchain. That's ridiculous.
We know that. But we're going to store all the indexing
information on the hive blockchain at the moment to tell
you where to find stuff. And that makes that makes a lot of
sense. And it's a part of ipfs that doesn't work well today and
the other part of ipfs that's just not There is incentivizing.
And for that, that's another part that blockchains bring,
because you can do these micro payments, you can reward people
for storing video of other people's. And the point is to
build these these communities as you call them tribes. And that
that then becomes powerful if if you can get self incentivizing
communities really, really run around a creator or a group of
creators. And that's the direction they're going in. And
I'm, I'm literally I'm bolting this value for value stuff on
the side, but it's become very, very popular. And a lot of
people on hive are watching what I'm building want to help and
are helping.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Happy ipfs it's great, it would be fine for
the enclosure. Like for storage, it's just that some people are
trying to deliver, like the seat itself, and that kind of thing
of rubbish. And I think that takes it too far. It's, it's,
it's great for distributed, distributing, you know, big
data, big blobs of data, but it's just not, it's not a
robust, fast solution for some of these things. It's just, it
just falls down. I think I think what I think that's the that's
the thing about, that's another thing about blockchain,
blockchain technology is something that's relatively new.
And so back when a lot of these protocols were developed, things
like, like pub sub hubbub, and a lot of these, these older
protocols, old doesn't equal bad. The only problem with with
OLED is that sometimes it gets supplanted by a new thing. For a
use case, it's just better. So for my black blockchains, they,
they have a limited use, but for the things that they're good at,
wow, they're really, really good at that thing. And it's hard to
even compete with how good they are at that thing. And
blockchains didn't, you know, didn't, for all intents and
purposes didn't exist in the world in a usable way back when
things like puffs of hubbub, and these things were developed. So
give me some sometimes, yeah, I'm a big proponent, we're
extending RSS, I mean, I'm a big proponent of, of the old does
not equal bad, and you take something that works, and it
works well. And even if it's 20 years old, you just improve it
and keep on going forward, because it's stupid to try to
reinvent the wheel. But there are, there are certainly
circumstances and I think, you know, things like the hive
blockchain that are fast, app centric, blockchains, public
blockchains, that those things can solve some problems that are
very difficult to solve in other ways. And I think in those in
those instances, it makes a lot of sense to take an older
protocol in and just push it to the side and replace it with
something new that is native to that new technology. I think
that makes a lot of sense.
Well, the RSS thing, you know, everything we're doing with
podcast, podcasting is original internet, it's pre Facebook,
it's pre Google large, you know, it's pre not pre Google, but pre
the massive commercialization of the internet. And that, that
what that's so important, and what I like about hive is in
particular, which is not out there in all the other projects,
it really isn't, is this this thing of not being able to point
at the owner, not even be able to point at the Creator, the
creators of all left you we've got this group where where
nobody can say, I don't think there's a single owner over 3%
that's no, and that's that, that token distribution thing is very
important for this to stop censorship. As soon as you have
a critical if you've got one person who Oh, you know, what
happens when vitalik when when he comes under pressure? We
don't know. And we don't know what happens when the Ethereum
foundation comes under pressure. You know, I hope lightning
avoids that but you know, things like strike worry me because
they they can be become too large. And then then they become
a critical point, which pressure can be applied, you know, if so
much of the liquidity is moving around and strike. But we're
getting too technical and deep.
Well, no, not at all. And I think we were in we're in
complete agreement with you and every single piece every single
custodial solution, of course, there's there's all kinds of
issues, but look at what we're talking about. Now, right here
we we are talking. I mean, if you just step back for a second,
we're a bunch of goombazz and we're talking about you know how
we're using the currency That we are intimately involved in,
we're not talking about money, we're talking about something
and a whole different plane. And I'm not quite sure how to
verbalize this. But it is really, I mean, we are in an
incredibly beautiful place right now when these are the issues is
like how do we make our money work with your money? This is
fucking cool. This is this is a great time to it's a great time
to be a podcaster.
I mean, you know, I know running everything on a laptop behind me
is not tenable. And that's why that you know that the, I put in
a grant application on the decentralized hi fund and I was
awarded it. And actually, the bit that I really need the money
for is that I don't want to be running the only hive to
lightning bridge. I do not want that because at some point the
Israeli tax authorities will show up here and as you know,
you know, right now,
you're totally going to jail. I mean, we know that you're
actually they rounded up 26 people here this week. For a
real scam, you know, proper. Exactly.
There's the door. Hey,
so do you want to go on record right now just in public? That
you're
not suicidal? I think that'd be probably
Yeah, I do not like hot tubs and I have no nothing to do with
general
aids, small, small aircraft. General Aviation hot tubs do not
go canoeing anywhere. This is also deemed to have very
unhealthy. Yes. yielding less than booked for Sunday. Oh, no,
you're
going. All right. All right. Hey, listen, can we talk to your
wife about running the Lenovo?
The point is, I'm going to decentralize this. The whole
point is I want to write code that I can put on GitHub, and
anybody can run one of these gateways. And then hive will
will route the payments and sort of share them out amongst
people. And very cool central very cool.
images may check Brian you are your node your because you have
two lightning nodes I see here. You have I see a value v four v.
And the pay dot v four v dot app. Five something.
The one you need to use is actually I've put up a GitHub
page with my value block. So I'll send that to you. That's
the one to put in.
Is it Oh 3966 I don't know. You don't know your boss. You don't
know your public ID by heart.
It's like no one the first because 60 characters is high.
Because my hive username is Brian of London, which you can
type.
Yeah, but when you type in, you type in Brian of London, you
immediately get Brian of London hair salon. Texas. Yeah.
Texas. He got there before me. Got my brand of London name came
and I was taken by surprise by a lesbian. It's a law. You know,
it was it was it was excuse me to radio. I was doing right now.
Hold on a second. Hold on. Hold on a second. I think it's okay.
We had 45 minutes of hive now equal airtime. 45 minutes for
the lesbian story. Brian of London by surprise. It was taken
by surprise and how he got his name and go.
So I was in America for a conference. And it was a
political thing. And one of the people that conference was a
radio host called Tammy
Bruce doe. Yes. Tammy Bruce. She's great.
She is great.
Can't wait to hear what happened with just a very attractive
woman, I should say very attractive woman.
And very lesbian. Anyway.
Lesbian. Yes.
I didn't know that. But she she was on a panel. And the panel
was discussing. I was discussing censorship in Europe. And it was
discussing that I can't even remember what but I I asked a
question from the audience. And she thought it was a good
question, because then afterwards, she came up and she
said, I'm doing my radio show from the hotel later, do you
want to come on it? And I had no idea who she was. I mean, you
know, and I also didn't at that time, it was like 2004 or
something. I didn't kind of get talk radio in the scale of it.
So I go up to one of the rooms in the hotel
and she she has a pretty big radio show. Actually, she's got
quite well this was the
point. I sat down in the chair and I thought you know, this is
going out and 1000 people whatever. And just as the light
is about to go on, she says to me, so what should I call you?
And I had my real name and I and there was no way I could use my
real name and talk about what's going to talk about it got back
to the UK problem with jobs and all that sort of stuff. So I
said Brian which is my middle name you know I'm out now my my
identity is revealed I said Brian and and she introduced me
as Brian of London that's my blogging name very cool term and
then we got we got exactly as you as you rail against you know
we got up against a hard break and she said but she said this
is really interesting stay for another stay for another segment
What
are you talking about hi she said this is really interesting
oh my god
David Irving being arrested in Austria
okay God speech issue oh she loves this yeah she loves that
so and then I made the mistake just before the light went on
again I said so how many people are listening she said Oh no,
it's the weekend show is not very many one maybe one and a
half million talks and I suddenly oh my god and but
anyway that was and and it was actually after that experience
that I started getting into blogging and eventually into
podcasting and
Oh, hold on a second so the lesbian part was really just it
was a little bit of a jib story but
I could have said a lesbian with a gun because at the time she
was branding herself as a Democrat lesbian with a gun but
I think she's given up on the democrat bit
oh that's interesting I don't remember her the democrat
lesbian with a gun
oh yeah go go back she's she's she was
out say she's doing more for women than most women. She She
mentors a lot of women in news and is making sure they don't
get screwed over she does she's good I like Hershey's goodbye
like
I've always followed her and like what she does but yeah,
that was my that was my introduction to sort of speaking
live and it was it was it was a drug I enjoyed it
Ah yes he's hooks that's what is your cue to boost you know you
want to show you Thanks some people Dave
oh yeah yeah, absolutely we got I've got make goods
makers
yes
some don't
yeah screwed up Karen downs donation from last week is only
was able to find like he had marked him like 124344 and I was
only able to read three and four because I forgot that I had I
had my sheets printed I forgot they were double sided so
Oh no. Yes. And by the way, I noticed maybe two days ago or
three days ago in the first thing now here's what I do in
the morning everybody the phone is on for the first time I try
it's not the first thing I do with when I look at the phone. I
always go to Zeus wallet to make sure that the wheel is still
spinning so if I don't see a Satoshi is coming in at least
within the last minute or two then it's time to troubleshoot
calorie balance that Adam The next thing I do is open up Zeus
because I liked the way it looks and I looked at our channels and
I saw someone blew a wad through a one of our
channels we're getting there
okay, I saw a total wad blown through
yes yes there was where what blueish and
glow Ridge
yeah we is in Brian's Abacus parlance somebody took the
abacus and just and just turned it up in portrait mode wanting
everything to once yeah character for someone made good
from last week Karen down 25,000 SATs
on nice man. Thank you.
Yeah, he says as I received four stunning booster Graham lounge
intros I'm compelled to return with four booster Graham
appreciations, thank you, Adam truly next level and see, but
then he had another one he had to have for another 25,000 SATs.
And he said, I'd really like to give a special shout out to
Satoshi stream for everything they have created. I don't hear
them get mentioned too often. But without them I wouldn't be
here right now. just totally I'd add just now completed the final
value loop of withdrawing from the node to reinvest back into
the booster gram economy. Without them I wouldn't have a
chance in hell of participating in this world due to my lack of
coding and technical knowledge. I honestly feel guilty. They
took such a small cut only 6000 SATs out of 166,000 now
withdrew. What is that? They take? 5%?
Yes, they they Yes, they do. And they take 5% and then give one
of those to us. colleague. Yeah, no, there's in Thank you. That's
a very good point. Satoshi stream Satoshi dot satoshis dot
stream was in the game so early with the TLV notes but also the
whole concept which is a little bit beyond me. I'm I am somewhat
Gen X Irish in that way is like teller. GRAEME I got it I can
use it I do use it it's not my thing. I don't interact with
bots I haven't set up my right i mean for me the clue is I
haven't set up my recipe Blitz with a telegram bot so I know
that as like I'm not into it but but but what they've done and
how it functions and how it works and is really it is the is
one of the most impressive onboarding systems I've seen.
And and I think it's a humungous service positive service to have
people can stay with them forever or they can use it as
just training wheels I think the beauty part of it is because
you're already in the telegram world there's help right there
you know if you if something's not not happening and that is
you're absolutely right kyron not often not mentioned often
enough
Yeah, he says really filled they should be better known as the
booster grams are what has been really drawn draw me in as a
podcaster right on Yeah, totally. Yeah. Yeah, thanks
Karen. See and also during the show last week, that I had
pulled up on my screen and then it got overlooked overlapped
with my clip window. I forgot to say it but during the show Alice
gates says 16,384 sets and he said how do you like this love
booster grant?
We love it we love it a week later it's even better taste
just as good
I saw it I'm gonna read it live and then a guy forgot
man I I stayed with the former New York banker I went down
Monday night and we had some dinner stayed at his house we
you know the first time since we're not separated he stayed at
our house and I stayed at his house it's kind of a it's a
thing
yeah I guess the the kids once we know once a while
yeah we took his son to school in the morning Yeah, we did and
then we went on the boat we go wake surfing, like like I mean
it's very privileged thing we're doing here on Tuesday morning on
the lake but man key his seat so he hates Bitcoin I mean he
hasn't even said that anymore lightning and how it works and
the idea of the booster grams and you know what we're going to
be doing with the with the live and he actually was like pay you
know how many partners in that company? I said you dude no no
love you yeah no this this is not how it works this is not yes
this like no no. Just the best way you can help is to boost
yeah to get your big money out there. Just for the boost.
Spencer hit us with a boost 4200 sets and he said awesome
appearance on hugs story Am I thinking of sending a boost here
until we get the hugs fully noted and receiving boosts?
We're working on him sir Spencer and named DeLorean bowl after
bowl. Yeah,
I mean, someone should at least be able to get them hooked up
with Satoshi streams you know just to know you don't have to
be fully noted you can always change you can always change
your your your node ID
yeah that is always the hive option
there is there there's a hive
option you get a hive account you sign up with me and hive
does the same thing I mean the money goes straight in as hive
and you know there are ways to convert it so it's another
option it'll it'll be more of a
conversion also happens with Brian you see is very
interesting he'll converted for you.
You can convert it or you can power it up
you can power it for I mean
have you looked at the how much the How have you bought is now
worth they've no have more than tripled since you bought it? No,
I'm
a millionaire now. quit the show right now.
The Lambo is on its way.
The Lambo Yes. Mary Oscar, excuse me Oscar Mary. He sent
7777 SATs. sevens, sevens, he says, How much do I have to
boost to get Adam to do a promo for fountain in the Overlord
voice? The overlord? Oh, well, you ditched it, you
know? Well, now there's good news because I am testing out
the personas revelator I owe 24 today, and it has a god voice in
it. So what and I'll have it for a few days, because I'm sure
it's going to go back but it does have the god voice in it.
So send me some copy, man. Tell me what you want me to say.
Oh, he's got it right here. Oh, he's got his copy here. He says
Apple podcast, ditch Spotify. Listen on fountain, something
like that.
I forward that to me. That's cool. Don't do it. Of course. Of
course. I'll do it commercial for anybody.
See, who knows we owe anonymous through breeze 17 176 SAS
17 7017
76 Hello Neighbor ology Liberty boost Liberty go
yeah go places go podcasting anonymous yeah
Viola podcasting.
Okay so this is a response to this this ongoing back and forth
between bill bill Prague and I forget who he's conversing with
but he says Oh, here it is Daniel. Between Daniel and Bill
Prague. Again I endorsed this use of booster grams to fight
each other yeah with money yes a duel on our show
yes yes this is we love fight.
Yes, we just need to get them the boost amount higher though
you're monetizing. hate your terror? Yes, yes.
Oh my gosh called the ADL Brian. You got him on speed dial to get
a good line more. That's a good line we are. Let's just do it.
Just do it properly. I think Brian is absolutely correct. And
now ladies and gentlemen, it's time to monetize hate.
Daniel, thanks for the lightning education sticking tongue out
emoji. That was the thanks for the lightening education was
enclosed.
In archy bill is one of my hive people because he's been buying
SATs on from my hive gateway. And he's been streaming SATs
across the hive network as well.
I can I can see there's going to be a need pretty soon for us to
have address books. Because if I'm going to send a nasty boost
through a show, it'd be fun to send send the same booster gram
to that person.
Yeah,
know what I mean.
I like to add to the drop general purpose you know,
lightning node, alias address book lookup thing. Oh,
that's what I put in place with this new course
Of course it's already working on hive.
Yep, exactly. All you need is all you need is a Chrome
extension elda LDAP and a lightning in a light coin
exchange oh god drip drip Scott Okay, so here's the here's your
here's your wad here but drips got 350,000 says
follow sakala 20 is blaze only Impala wow a true sat streamer.
Wow.
American hero
yes he is a patriot What did he say what did he what was this
message is booster.
It came through Curio caster in the booster gram just says he
just says booster Grand Challenge accepted boost.
Ah man that was a mad that's that's like gangsta and by the
way we have that baller thing is not in your in your package that
is a mo fax jingle I'm already illegally using it here the
booster Graham bits packages in the show notes for today
so drip drip Scott is now on the leaderboard and in the top of
the hour control
drab now of course it's fun because you know Drabek does he
does the chapters for pretty much everything I've ever done
in my life he is now he's he has gone by now check this out with
the man has done he has gone back and added chapters in the
RSS feed retro actively for every single mo facts and he's
going to do it for every podcasting 2.0 so that we have
all of those elements working that we didn't have the
authoring tools for at the time this is the kind of guy he is
that's a lot of work.
Stop don't don't do daily source code dread no
that's not gonna happen.
Thank god that's ridiculous.
Not only that, but proof.
Proof Yeah. Then we're stress testing.
We are totally stressed. That is unbelievable.
Oh arrow statica sent you know he had sent 250,000
Yes, this is the war This is the race this is the mano a mano is
happening here.
And, you know, if we keep going up by 100,000 each time 100,000
sass each time, so I'm just gonna break so
eventually we're going to reach some kind of limit. Yeah,
Brian's the laptops gonna catch on fire and his parents. Okay,
thank you drip spam. Let's see. This is anonymous because this
is just like a weird spam protection email address here
that came through pod friend and it says, You guys got me hooked
on everything podcasting, 2.0 Bitcoin, lightning and humbrol.
Great work. All right was 100 set
Nice to see that I get emails from from PR firms and
publicists who of course by lists of podcasts that that you
know can interview their guests and and i think i posted this on
nogen The social.com is that now we're seeing in these messages
you know you're this guest can be heard everywhere you know on
podcast podcasting decks pod friend was in there you know yes
all that yeah so we're starting to you know, it's starting to
trickle out you know, when when people are mentioning new apps
that haven't been mentioned before it's working new podcast
apps calm and be like James Cridland tell people to get a
better podcast app at new podcast apps calm
Yeah, that's a good little thing. He does great run. Yeah.
There we got here we got another anonymous through breeze app.
4000 SATs and she says go podcasting.
Yeah, I hear you. We should go podcasting. Go podcasting.
Another Liberty boost of 1776 says started out with a boost
baby. That came through. Who did that? Come through?
Check something here. Hold on. I'm just I'm just finding that
is yes, I know exactly what that is. I think it's your clip.
Yeah. Did
you remember who Who said it? Of course. Michelle Obama.
Yes. Mike baller.
See? He was okay Jeff says this is 4004 sets through the
fountain nap. He says this is the initial donation to the Dave
Jones melatonin fund. That's because I couldn't sleep last
night. Okay, there's actually two boosts from Jeff for 4004
sets with the same message so I'm guessing he may have held
down the machine gun boost
and as a as a quick aside this is so appreciated this all goes
into funding our liquidity as well of the note I mean, this is
so cool that we can now you know open up bigger channels. The
system is beautiful. Thank you for doing this. These boosts are
great. And
let's see we get okay Chad, Chad Feroz and it's 3333 sets he says
they found he says set my sets to five minutes excuse me five
sets per minute instead of 50 cents per minute so this is to
make up the difference last night was a fat fingered it yeah
nobody's auditing huge so you don't have to make up Yeah, we
won't know.
No.
Okay and pod friend an anonymous through pod friend. And that's
for 5217 sets and he says fatty poop boost boost
we got the big poop boost
is this Oh sir bill through fountain send us 1000 says he
says boost using fountain that's exactly what you did.
Boost
boost to grade 10,000 SATs from breeze anonymous and it just
says love from breeze I'm thinking that's ROI you think
that's ROI
I don't know man by says love love from breeze and every time
I've been with ROI I've been paying for everything so I'm not
so sure
you know this Israel guys
I know but I got I got Brian in London I can send them down the
street and go beat him up.
We you pay you pay for Roy's dinner and then roll and then
Brian will reimburse him in hive
and then repaste a bit bit refill bit refill
it with Amazon gift card.
Two days ago it was the exact street I think where his offices
were mattify owl but I was having a camera stuck on my
house so that's
how many how many SAS is that cost?
Wow.
Really weird part of
the hospital. Famous hospital right?
Yeah, for this for D to extract for extraction. This is the red
light district.
Those trees guys, man they interface with everything. Yeah,
I've heard of the cameras cameras.
Oh man. Okay, so he's the Richard Gere of
Okay, Dave. Yeah.
900 907 sets from three Apart friend from Mike Newman, and
Mike says only thing worse than USB is Bluetooth Low podcast.
That's true. I actually I did try out the I never got to that
in my review, I tried out the Bluetooth interface on the test
cam mix cast for added suck. Yeah, well, for a reason that
was disappointing because I thought I could use that
interface. It's like I just route all computer noises, you
know. So if I need to play a YouTube clip or something just
routed out through Bluetooth, so two problems one, when there's
no sound active, of course, it disconnects. And I don't know if
that was my laptop or the other side, probably the laptop. And I
didn't dive into troubleshoot that please don't email me. But
the worst part was it defaults and only has a 16 kilohertz
bandwidth. Well, that's sucks. Oh, yeah, I mean, that is so old
fashioned to think of a phone, like a phone. That's just like
when you think Bluetooth doesn't have to be 1416 kilohertz.
There's no reason for it. But they were thinking
a string in between
and they're thinking, Oh, well, it's just a phone. Now man
phones these days are high end devices. Voice over IP. You
know, you can use clean feed on your phone. Just the rails with
Oh, it's amazing. I was doing an app or you know, just through
the browser. Dial this message. It's really cool. Yeah, it's
cool. Yep.
We'll see anonymous through the breeze app gave us 1000 SATs.
Oh, it's not a novel. It's not anonymous, he says David Leary.
Nice work boys. All right, thank
you. Thank you.
Thank you David. Nice work from you David. Yes, good work,
hitting that boost but good work harv hat gave us 2222 sets of
magnitudes and he says karaoke came through Curio caster and he
says booster grant for live I can't wait I can't wait either
hard all we're all
excited about that. It's
I had to had to pause work on the on the live stuff and go in
and actually put a real true split editor designer into Yeah,
and yeah,
well that's gonna be badass though. I can see it I can see
some people need it. Definitely do people need the people needed
Dave?
Yes. Anonymous Drew Brees and he says 1000s SAS he says thanks
for the nerdy stuff. We get nerdy today. Yeah, a little bit.
Thank you man. It's a fight or Lady 5000 SATs anonymous No,
this is not anonymous on who this is. 5000 SATs through
breeze and says Bitcoin beatboxing boost and SATs and
boost and says how a bare intellect
Wait a minute. Do we have that song? We've got his Yeah, we've
got we've got the box and SATs
goes in the end of show mix.
Chapters transcripts, images links stream micropayments to
the podcast and sensitive she's in real time over the lightning
network using a compatible podcasting 2.0 app. Just go to
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was that the one yeah
that's that guy's great. He's is good listeners podcast is
intergalactic boombox and short episodes are fun. Yeah, you can
knock one out and just like you know 20 minutes
it's like a desert. Yeah, it
is it is. Okay, so our monthly donors is
let me remind everybody this has value for about what you heard
here where the booster grams if you if you don't know what it
is, go to new podcast apps calm. And not only will you have a lot
of fun, you could spark good debate good jokes and and you
support the project. This whole project is value for value. It's
an open project where you're helping here is to keep the
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you know, just if everyone's putting into it, but the value
that we're getting back is off the charts and you can do it
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penny or $1. That's a direct link to our PayPal as well. Yep.
I'm almost messed up here because Michael Newman might
might name and send us a PayPal that I had pulled up and I
almost did the same thing again that did Alex last week. So He
sent us $17.89 oh 1789 Yeah, and he says message. Howdy fellas.
This was supposed to be coming at you in SAS by now the
Constitution is the Constitution. Yeah. Bill of
Rights. Yeah. Bill of Rights here is supposed to be coming to
you in SAS by now, but I'm not quite there yet with my monthly
set sling. Trebuie. Shay, please, please accept this 1789
and cut pennies in honor of the ratification of the Bill of
Rights. Thank you for your courage. Oh,
thank you.
Very Thank you, Mike. I like cook pennies that are good and
he's good. Same as our monthly donors are. Mark Graham. $1.
Joseph maraca $5. David made us aid. Fun Fact Friday $10 Cameron
Rose $25 camera has been donating for a long time. And
Jeremy knew $5 Greg Thomas $5. Lauren ball $24.20 in pod verse,
LLC. $50 Thanks, Martin. Yeah, no pot versus prod verse. Mitch.
Mitch. Yeah, yeah, my friend. Yeah, we have one person cancel
a $5 month subscription. And that's really we really have had
very few cancellations and subscriptions a lot
of people are canceling to transition over to boosting
which I completely encourage that is definitely the way to
go. Because that's that's gross we had I mean you can you can
look at our note at anytime you want we had I think two weeks
ago we probably had what we have like 10 grand on the node in in
dollars or fee out fun coupons. And just with the appreciation
of the world the bitcoin price action and of course booster
grams, I think we were like we're hitting 15 now it's almost
50% more beautiful, just that's what I love about this project.
Just keep all those sites there, stack them over there, stack
them over there
and now that we're in that and what's important about that, is
that Tim we've been banking on all these SATs so that we can
fund or know or Hey instance Yeah, so Tim finished that and
so now I'll transition into getting that you know die thing
run and well it'll take some time because we have to Eric has
to figure out you know legal stuff and all that kind of jazz
but you know we've got the node now and then we've got the SATs
now to fund it so we can start doing that cool stuff
so so we'll be hosting wallets
yeah we'll be hosting like like to be able to do like one thing
that I think we'll be able to do pretty pretty cool. is like one
off episode level wallets. So if somebody wants to he's gonna
super cool very cool. Hey Brian, you still awake?
Tom here okay,
I'm sorry man. I just want make sure you're not Keeling over
there.
This is this is a joy for me. Okay, good. The only thing that
this messes up now is my my Saturday morning ritual of
listening to the show.
Hello, yeah, you can listen to yourself. Oh. Laughter I always
listen to
the show. I have to admit I do too. I listened to most of my
shows but not not really like I listened to see how things land
out worked. How it sounded Yeah, but not to comprehend the
technical review I
think I get it I'm hitting I'm gonna head back to work
oh god that was it. We have no more no more of our monthly
Yeah. Okay, that's it. Yeah. And I'm sorry we kept you a little
longer but you you also are holding down the fort there you
got people out right? Yeah,
yeah. My coworker COVID yesterday so he's he's at a
commission. Yeah, just me flying solo. Okay, but he's gonna be
okay. Yeah, yeah. seems to be doing pretty good. Hi.
Brian, sir Brian of London. You sir, you sir, are a gem and an
incredibly colorful person and I am happy to have you in my life.
And I'm happy to have you in the podcasting 2.0 ecosystem and
arena because you you really bring a lot of joy to
everything.
That's what I try to do. Yeah, and I tell you, I've I have
getting back into coding after I didn't do it for so long. I did
a PhD I went all the way to a PhD in physics. And then I
basically stopped writing code and that was more than 25 years
ago. And it is an absolute joy now to learn to code again. The
world is so different this GitHub stuff and yeah
elaborations and it's fun. It's
unbelievable. Can you got Alex whipping you
know, Alex is a gem I you know, I am so grateful. You know, to
be mentored properly and to to accept mentoring is it is
Something I guess maybe age, you kind of you learn to be humble
and learn to know when other people know much more than you
and and it's a joy. And it's amazing to have a resource like
that. I can just call on and say, Hey Alex, how do you do
this and to watch your stuff anyway,
I don't, even though for what you even knew Bert had a drum
instructor in his 60s.
Anyone anybody is welcome to join in the fun and mentor or be
mentored and you can go to podcast index dot social and
sign up. We'd love to have more people who jump in the better.
Brian Thank you very much. I've got your I got your GitHub in
the show notes. Also I have the the proper node so anyone who
boosts this up, but also if you're just listening to new
podcast app, new podcast apps koat.com you'll be sending Brian
some sets which well we know where it ultimately winds up in
the hype machine, Dave, have a great weekend. amigo.
You too brother. See you guys later, man.
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