podcasting 2.0 for October 15 2021, Episode 58 we got
activity in the pub. It's all the work I have to do on Fridays
just come up with the opening Hello everybody's I'm once again
for podcasting. 2.0 everything going on with podcasting 2.0
podcasting index.org the namespace and of course the
gossip and the latest going on a podcast index on social It is
the only official board meeting and you're all welcome. I'm Adam
Curry here in the heart of Hill Country Texas and then Alabama
the man who can make a wallet with drop shadow in a heartbeat
my friend on the other end Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave
Jones.
Drop Shadow blink tag.
Blink tag. Everybody's favorite the blink tag
was marquee what not the one that like, like,
didn't that scroll and scroll? Yeah, scroll.
The horizontal scroll. Yeah.
Yeah, that was the days of red GIF, red dot red ball dot GIF
that's what it was a red ball budget
or the this page is under construction with
a little guy working with a shovel Yes,
that's what that that little guy should be on every single thing
that we have right now. under construction. Yeah.
Yeah, I do remember that. Even corporate clients where should
we have an under construction page? Well, no, let's get a real
website up. No, no, we weren't under construction page. Okay.
My kids say that should do.
Yeah. Yeah, that's impressive. That list had been you know,
you're working on it.
Doing Dave today is a tough day for you in the in in real life.
Yeah, yeah, we're the firm our workforce tied to the accounting
industry. So
yeah. I went to the post office because you know, last year's
return that had really messed me up
with this you know, with everybody nobody knew what was
that?
Yeah with the Snowmageddon so they cashed a check but they
they never acknowledged Well, they acknowledge receipt of our
filing, which I sent in on paper and Well, whatever it is when we
bought the house and they were doing you know, the typical
background search they said well, you need to prove that you
filed taxes last two years I didn't have it for the last year
there was no proof and you can go to the irs.gov and get a
transcript Yeah, yeah
transcript Exactly. And so that didn't exist and that was a real
hassle but I was able to show the check that was cashed and I
say well, that's okay then and so when I want to file I always
do Turbo Tax which is perfect for our situation. And you know,
you have to have a correlation to last year's gross adjusted
income and that's an exact number and that's how they match
it to your filing properly and that is you and a PIN code and
none of that crap work so alright, I'll print it out Yeah,
you know 100 pages take it off to the P o box and a whole bunch
of people and they're all there like they all want to tracking
they all want to see the postmark go on it you know we're
all laughing in line like we don't trust these guys anymore.
Oh man it's like the IRS last year they just left yeah they
just gave up right here they were like alright we're going
home and whoa wait what we still do things it was it was talking
last year
right so this is probably quite a hassle still
yeah it's just still well i mean you get it's PPP cares act stuff
there's you know there's health care lots health care money went
out in various ways is actually still going out so you got to
account for that it was just I mean I'm not an accountant but
the you know, but I'm here enough accounting accounting
stuff to know that it's just been a complete headache the
people the people who have been saying forever that oh well you
know what you can become in a day where you will you'll just
be able to fill out your taxes on a postcard
as long as I've been alive of her that one yeah should be just
just one postcard size just tick tick tick tick you're good to go
no problem.
Haha yeah, it'll be fun. It'll be fun. Yeah, this way rose
laughing because some you know some of the younger accountants
there oh they're always afraid that when they hear things like
that like no some but so and so this President is gonna simplify
the tax code. Oh man. I'm worried about my job and
everybody's like haha
oh yeah. won't have a job. That's funny.
I've heard this since the 60s.
Meanwhile, Bitcoin number go up like crazy.
Oh, yeah, man is that thing?
Yeah, let me check. My eyes are bad. 61,004 13 Yeah, that's
moving towards an 80 h Bay.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. What is The eth is 6063 s
62 eight or something, I think 63 but it's already above the
weekly top. So I think it'll probably I mean there's a
resistance at 63 in a bid or something.
It sounds a day trader ish. Oh, I liked it. Well, this
is why this is what I did. I day traded for two years. And I
hated it. I mean, I know actually loved the analysis.
Because it was all technical trading. It was scalping, you
know, like you held the stock for maybe a minute. Yeah. And
like, boom, okay, got the pop out.
You're using your Fibonacci and you're hitting
Oh, my God, oh, way more than that. You've got the oscillating
waves, you've got, oh, my God, I forgotten so much. But I still
have all my models. And so I have a couple of models applied
to a weekly chart of Bitcoin. So I can see the main resistance
levels and you know, where it has to break through and that
that stuff on Bitcoin is actually quite beautiful for
technical analysis.
It is pure, it's just pure. It is.
It's just, you know, yeah, there's manipulation from people
who are buying or selling. But that kind of, you know, there
are models that that know about that. So it's pretty good. I
don't trade. I just in fact, I've, we've switched just to
daily cost average. 100 bucks. That's it. No big buys on dips
or anything. Just every day. Boop, boop, boop, boop, just a
little bit. And,
yeah, that's kind of the way I do it. Every time I like, once a
month, I just Yeah, same thing. Yeah. Whatever in whatever I'm
comfortable with. And then like, over time, you look back and
you're like, oh, wow, I've actually built up, you know,
yeah, well,
how about the stats? The SAS, we've been stacking on the
index.
Yeah, that's good. That's gonna so you want to talk about the,
about the node that Tim set up? Yeah. Yeah, I did what we're
doing with it,
no, but it's gonna be great. Let's talk, let's, let's want to
explain what we're doing.
Well, so Tim, and Ellen pay, he set us up a dedicated LNP
instance, for the index. And so we've been working with him for
a while on this to get it up and running. And he's got it up and
run and we've got your keys and everything set up in the the
original idea was was that we will help onboard people into,
into Elon, Elon pay, but it'll be our instance, rather than
his. And that'll let us do some, some interesting things, some
more, more detailed type of type of stuff. So there's stuff
specific to you know, podcasting and what we're doing. And so
the, the sort of blanket idea here is that on podcast or
wallet, you will go in there and claim your feed. And then you'll
be able to launch wallets for things like guests. That can in
in Elon pay. But it'll be our instance of Elon pay.
Okay, so as a new podcast, you can also use this to sign up.
Yeah, you will be able to Yeah,
okay, that would make sense to you sign up. So that's your,
your podcast wallet, and then we can spin up stuff for guests and
other things. You can do that. I guess kind of like an Uncle Bob
type situation, right?
Uncle Bob?
I'm not saying Tom. But I'm saying not saying Uncle Tom for
a resume. Try and don't say Tom don't say, Bob. Bob's your
uncle. Exactly.
But it's okay. So it's, it's that's why I went back and
started working on podcast or wallet number one we needed, we
need to split a split editor. Yep. And then also the ability
to use custom key custom value that needed to be in there. But
then, it also just needed a little bit of revamping. So that
when we get ready to push this next phase out, which is the
episode level splits, that's that would be my hope, would be
the first instance of being able to use our node would be for
somebody goes in, and they have their claimed podcast. And then
let's just say that, let's say that Sam and James have a have
somebody on their show, like Brian, and he has he has a node
and they could go in there. They they control their own fate a
little bit, but Well, no, not on pod land that's on buzzsprout.
So they, they would go in there to their dashboard and podcast
wallet and
pull their list. Oh, okay. Yeah.
Yeah. So they would go in there they would
publish you publish the episode and then you go into your little
portal there at your podcast or wall. portal. Dippy WP Yeah,
repeat everything p2p. And then it'll suck in all the episodes.
You may think Ah, okay, this episode, I did need to add a
split.
Yes, yeah. And so then it would it would clone your existing
value block to that episode, and then open the split editor and
allow you to add in an extra split now you could you could do
it as a custom node where you manually copy and paste the node
ID in, or this other option would be to spin up an alien pay
wallet Nice. Yeah.
And then how do you give access to the guest? To that wallet?
To be determined.
And now I have a split your money. Hey, have you seen? Have
you ever had a chance to actually mess around with Curio
casters Jenny, the RSS Jenny?
Not at all. Okay, so
the good news is you could just do with any old feed right? You
can just bring up any any podcast, you can say open an RSS
editor. And you can mess with it. You can you can totally
bootleg feeds it's we haven't haven't talked about it. You can
bootleg CDs real easy. But the reason I'd like you to do that
is to see how he did his value block editor because he does a
lot of that you can clone over from your from your from your
feed level. But he also has an auto calculator in there. So if
you do a split versus a fee, and it makes sure you don't go over
100%
in the podcast, or while I want to be logged in No, because
I got the reset email and it says, you know, click here and
then it says we're sending you the password, and then I never
get that one. That will but I didn't want to bother you. I
didn't want to. It's clearly you.
Yeah, it's me. I don't want to interact with you there even
though
it's obvious if there's something wrong with you, D Kim
Tiki, whatever. You gotta get it. Yeah. And I'll reset your
password for you. And that way you can get at least see it.
Before I
criticize it. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, I wasn't
criticizing because I haven't seen it. I just want to make
sure that you've seen how Steven did it.
I have not seen how Steven does it. But I'm looking right now.
Actually podcasting 2.0
I'm sure you've come up with something entirely similar. I
guess what I'm, what I'm what I'm looking at is I'm like, holy
crap. Steve, did this work? How do I get Stephens code into your
hands? You don't have to do it again? It No, it may be maybe
two different infrastructures. I'm just thinking pragmatically.
And I asked for that asked if anybody wanted to wanted to do
it wanted to tackle sort of creating that UI. And then you
know, I thought well, really, it's gonna it's one of those
things where I ended up, there was so much integration stuff to
go in on our end part of this is because I don't use a
declarative UI type language. So that means like, something like
react where you it's the declarative versus imperative
style type of, of programming here. And declarative would be
something like, I want a screen that looks like this. And it has
these parts in these inputs in these connectors, and this is
what I want it to look like, you describe what you want the
screen to look like, and then the framework makes it happen.
That's what does our react does.
That's, that's vs, that's the basics of react, then versus an
imperative style, which would be I want it to look like this, and
I'm going to tell the framework, every,
every parameter, every bit every cent and you prefer that method.
I don't really know what I prefer. I mean, the declarative
part is stuff I've done, I've done declarative through yamo,
in C sharp, and I like it. The, the and it's great up until a
point and I think it's I think it depends a lot on how much of
a control freak you are, which I sort of AM. If you're kind of a
control nut, and you want to just really be aware of every
little piece that's happening at every every moment, then then
programming your UI is probably more along the lines of the way
your mind works, versus letting the framework do a lot of the
lift for you. But you know, I really don't care in the grand
scheme of things. I think I just got
put Did you get a drop shadow in other way?
No drugs, no impulse.
Just you should just put a little red ball dot GIF in there
just for fun. But you still have one
I'm still using, you know, JavaScript stuff from 10 years
ago. I'm so behind the times on front end things that I could
somebody could just would just laugh at everything I do. So no,
I won't. Definitely not going to compare notes.
This is this is phenomenal feature that you've created. How
far along? Is it? Is it were the editors working? Right?
We had the split editors working. So the next step will
be to, to be able to
put to add the guest wallet.
Yes. Yes, that's right. Yeah, to be able to do the guest while
and that part will entail hooking into the LNP node. You
know, but then part of this is we have to talk all this stuff
out with Eric, because we don't want to wait, before we start
holding people sat, we got to be sure. on the business side, we
know what we're, yeah, we know what the plan is. I don't want
to get ahead of him.
No kidding. Yeah.
Eric, by the way, we have we know we're holding 10 million
sets for people. And he's like, what? No,
yeah. But we have we have all the data. We have, we have the
database, we knew when we know when it came in. Now, this is
indeed the issue, I think, to be even more rows transparent as we
are about it is, you know, we see all kinds of issues coming
down the road. And the last thing we wanted is to not have
anyone wanting, you know, more people drop off say, Well, you
know, this is kind of messy with this custodial versus non
custodial. So, you know, I think that's, that's an outstanding
role for podcast index, is to take something like that on and
do what is legally possible, and to make it work. And we'll see
how how bad that gets, I mean, that we have to KYC podcasters.
Yeah, I'm, like, 99% Sure, that's gonna have to happen. But
yeah, anything, anything above that is gonna be you know, and
then it's like, okay, is the guest we're holding it so that
the guest is a part of the host is a part of you know, that
paperwork is something I have no visibility over.
You know, the other part of that is that we want to make sure
that that Ellen pay is a is a thing that people can depend on
for the for the long haul for sure. So like, for instance, a
lot of our apps, they're, they're using L and PE as their
back end for the podcast or for their listener wallets. Exactly.
And we want to make sure that that with him. So we're now
paying customers him, you know, we're paying him each month to
have a node. And that helps him to monetize and to be able to
stick around in hat because before maintenance, Tim was
doing this really out of the kindness of his heart, and
because he's a geek and an enthusiast, and he wanted to do
it. But you know, there comes a point where, if you're holding,
you know, 50 million SATs, you really it becomes a business
whether you want it to be or not. Exactly. And so we needed
to give him you know, the, the raising reward that Yeah, so we,
you know, we're doing this really to say, okay, hey, you
know, podcast apps, y'all can depend on Ellen pay to build on
top of rather than saying, you know, okay, well, you know,
hopefully hit 10 will be around.
Yeah. And hopefully, Tim will be around, we'd like having him
around. He's a fun guy to have around. Yeah.
Yeah. But, you know, so he'll, well, that's, that's where we're
at. And then hopefully, we'll be able to do some things like, one
of the things that pod verse has been waiting on to, to implement
streaming stats is they want they what they want is to be
able to spin up a listener wallet in a way that where they
give the listener their own, where they give the listener
their own credentials. So part verse doesn't want to have to be
the management portion of that, of course, they want to create a
wallet, and then give in and say, Okay, here's, here's your
credentials. Now you can go to the LM pay dashboard and manage
your own stuff, right? And there's really no way to do that
currently through through Tim's LNP instance. But that's, that's
something that we'll be doing is being able to do back apps that
want to do it that way. What we'll do, we'll give them an a,
an interface to be able to make that happen. And that will that
will allow pod verse to to to ship so anyway that there's a
lot of stuff on the on the on the radar screen for
that also, boo pod station, will it not
Yeah, I think that would solve his problem. Do you have the
same type of deal? It's like, uh, you know, look, I don't I
don't even want to. I don't even want to know, man. Yeah,
exactly. Yeah, very good now. Okay. So along with this, you're
doing all kinds of other work that involves activity pub.
Beginning network. Yeah. Yeah. What
exactly is this? Is this the chat? The cross app comments Is
this what exactly is that piece?
So this will be what? What we will implement as a proof of
concept for the live stuff.
And Moe is freaking out. He's like, I can't wait. Oh, yeah.
He's like, I can't wait to pull everyone from YouTube. We're
gonna pull all limbs. He's like, we got to put put a lot of
energy into YouTube. Get him on on the YouTube. Everyone's in
the YouTube live there. We're gonna take him away. Yes,
absolutely. We're gonna take him away. Yeah, I mean, so he says
that part's easy. He seen him do it with Odyssey and a number of
other plays rumble even bit as long as you have it, they'll
follow they'll go.
I believe that, I totally believe that if as long as you
make the experience similar enough to where it feels the
same? You know, I don't know, why wouldn't you it's just a
waste. I
know, you do both at the same time, you know, simulcast for a
little bit, and then you just shut off the YouTube and then
everyone's over. Huh. And the way you do that is with the
super chats, which you know, we will have we will have the
booster grams, the live booster grams, that's where the action
is at.
So the way that the way that it'll happen in this is my least
initially This is the vision here. And in this code is
somewhat somewhat framed in I'm, I'm still sort of putting the
last touches on on the frame framework of this is that we
will publish the feed. So like this week, when you go to
publish after we record today, you would you would put in the
live item for the next following week. Right? You would put it in
for, you know, October or whatever.
I pre publish it. Yeah. For the for the live date. Yeah. And is
it a timestamp or full timestamp, which isn't a date?
No, it's full timestamp, okay. So the, you'd have a live live
item in there with a link to the node nogen does stream and then
a pub, a pub date or a go live date as part of that live item
that says Okay, at this moment, at this timestamp on this date,
that's when we're going to go live.
And so then that goes into the hive blockchain, it hits the
index, the index pings, the activity pub that that pings all
of the apps.
Okay.
I just strung my own version together. Continue, please.
Okay.
Something like that. Yeah, I
knew I was close.
Pink pinging? Yes. But yes, all these things and things happen.
Okay, so then you publish, then the apps will see. They'll see
today's episode.
Oh, this is jlc live Ah, and so that they set their own little
timer, their own little internal alert?
Yes. So they'll they'll see the timestamp. And they'll they'll,
what they'll see is an item it says, it's going to go there's
gonna be a live stream on this day at this time. And then it'll
be just there. And they can they can index it into the app and
show it in some way. Then when that time, when it gets close to
that time to that timestamp, the app can begin to watch pod
paying for that signal that happens to say that the live
stream has actually started. Okay, because you want to
timestamp in there. Yep.
To be to be aware to be on on your calendar interest
sort of via Yeah, yeah, but but but then you may not go on live
Exactly. At that moment, I have technical problems or something
like that. So you at that moment, what you want to do is
you just want to wait around and say, Okay, I'm looking for the
best signal to tell me when to actually start streaming. Right.
So
you're just you're just watching pod ping at that, at that point.
Yes. But the full pod ping because that's just flooding in.
You're watching it for a special for a special piping that has
that that reason code and live reason. Then you can like for
our for our proof of concept what it'll be is the, the
software that we're that I'm putting together wool will begin
we'll look at that and begin doing that. Then you will be
able to go to that page. It'll be something like you know, like
live dot podcast index.org or something. You go to that page
and When the stream goes live, it'll start up. And as another
component to the live item tag in the RSS feed, is a link to
the stream URL
to the activity pub URL. Oh, no, no, not stream your will ever
need that'll be in there too. But it'll be a link to a route
item for the activity box. How
does that get created?
You can create it any you could create it anywhere. And that's
where I'm currently trying to figure out where's this?
I guess I'm the reason I'm asking is because I recall that
being the main question, Who owns the right of the comment,
the root node of the conversation,
and I think what I'm probably going to do is just create a
false root node inside software as as a placeholder, because it
really ultimately doesn't matter. It could be in any
activity pub compliant system. So you could, you know, if you
wanted to, you could create a route, sort of a route and route
post on podcast and index dot social, the only issue there is,
then you have to have people are interacting with it, they'll
have to have be able to tie their identities back to that
somehow. So I'm thinking for just for ease of initial rollout
here, just create a fake root node within the software. And
then as people go to the page, when people go to the page, it
will automatically create an identity for them. Sort of like
the RFC does in the troll room. Like you go in there and says,
Yeah, what do you want named Webb? 577294.
Yeah, yeah. No, ask you what your name is gonna be stored in
local storage or in a cookie. And so then when if you if your
browser closes and comes back, you're the same person. And then
we'll
recognize my identity from podcast index dot social.
Well, that would be that would be another steps. Yeah, that,
you know, that's what I'm talking about. Like if we, if we
want to, eventually we'll do that connected.
Okay. Yeah, I don't I don't want to complicate it. Okay. So the
main issue of the root node being he who holds the root
node, they who hold the root node can also delete it and and
is the last row and yeah, okay, that's the thing that some
people don't like and you've made a choice.
Yeah, and I think I mean, you have to be able to moderate so
it's just gonna be me for proof of concept is easier just to
create a sort of fake internal nodes. Because Because then you
know, like, will be, it'll be activity pub compliant. Some
other we can federate out somebody else can monitor can
look at those activities. And and then they'll federate. But
for simplicity it'll it'll all just be you know, internal to
bandeian with
and so for this you will actually be doing in doing this
interaction on the page itself. Not within your app.
Yes, yes initially because for this proof of concept Yes,
because the page is a wall sort of mimic what
an app would do and where did the booster Graham show up?
Well the histograms show up in the page as well so there'll be
this nice this scrolling. My vision for this thing is it's a
scrolling list of boosts of of activity and so some of them are
activity pub stream comments and those are going to be sort of
like on the left
and then the Super Chat or the boosted grams yet
gonna be integrated in there in Tom step spray timespans tam
sprinkled in there on the on the on the right
so good people like how do I get in how do I do that? How do I
get into those things over there
and those will come in from any app in real time see in order to
enter in order to just simply chat you would be would put you
know just type or chat into the box on the page right right
right to get a booster gram in you know you boost through from
Instagram and of course
the the web apps won't will have a lot more trouble notifying me
that something is going on
what do you mean like going on
of notifying the you know like waiting waiting for the bad
signal if I don't have the web app open is not going to be
waiting
well I mean, they know the backend server would be would be
the one doing that work so they if you just pulled the page up
it would auto it would already know it would already be
I understand but there's no there's I don't believe there's
a way for pod friend or Curio caster to just notify me
something's happening.
Oh, I see what you mean. Well, you could turn on web
notifications. I mean, that's,
that's Oh, that's true. Yeah. Well, you know what, just shoot
me an email. I'll be happy to give any given email address for
that. Or an activity pub notice.
Yeah. doored or just ring my doorbell just like impressment
Come on martin Come on man show some initiative ring my doorbell
Yeah, Amazon can walk it. Yeah. What's your problem? Hey,
what's up with with pod friend we have a new a new beta out.
Tina was in tears he
published.
He has like, pod friend is like this bass expired. That's gone.
She doesn't use that. Just pay, talk to that Danish guy and get
another version up. Yeah, no, that wasn't her either, but
somewhere in the middle. Yeah, just
know I got a new version of it on my on my test flight
now. Okay, then hopefully she has that now then. She just
mentioned to me yesterday. She's like, what's going on?
Yeah. Okay. We're we're gonna funny about that later. That.
Okay, well, this is very exciting. This is very exciting.
Dave, thank you for doing all this work. This is this is like,
yeah, this is what I've really been been dreaming of. For this
to happen, we're really getting down to some brass tacks and,
and with this live stuff, what a super bonus to anything that we
could have imagined. And there's just so much good thinking going
on about this.
And out Alice Gates is, is the master of of these protocols.
And so I'd really been relying on him in his advice to get that
to get to get it all put together because what it needs,
what it'll be on the back end, it'll be activity, strip,
activity, pub. activity, activity, pub management going
on, on the server side. And then, but what communicates with
the browser will be a G RPC client. And so that's, that's
going to be a, here's my initial design idea. I'm just going to
take the pod pain code that what the, the code for the front end
of pod pain that accepts the GET requests and all that, it take
that cuz this bill is it's a rust x single rust executable,
take that input and put in the G RPC support. So then what it'll
do is it'll that that code will act as the web server serving
the page. And therefore it'll be serving GET requests. When
people come to the page and give you the initial HTML, then it's
also it will also be running a G RPC server. And then there'll be
a web g RPC client on the HTML page they'll just refresh it'll
we'll be streaming lifetime Oh yeah. Real Time stream that's
just an open connection that's constant. Miners will surface me
to do like long polling
mines will surface a player on that page just in case.
Yeah, there's already one on it. Okay. Yeah. On the in the in the
test code, okay. That'll be what I want. And the reason I'm doing
all that is because we've already got all the HTTP stuff
built in in a nice rust executable, so we don't have to
worry about security.
I love a nice rust executable. had that for breakfast with some
fig fig jam.
fig jelly. A big jam is actually really good. I had
I got some some strawberry jam and it had pepper in and a
peppers, jalapeno peppers. Love pepper, pepper jelly, but a home
like oh, especially. I'm a peanut butter and jelly kind of
guy. That's like Ah, it's 1030 at night. I'm hungry. I'm like
peanut butter and jelly on a hamburger bun. But of course
this may Cohen coincide with smoking of some flowers. So like
peanut butter and then I bought this stuff like whoa, I'm just
sitting there.
Okay, so we didn't have to do the best way to do pepper jelly
is Yeah, he do
main line is straighten his artery. No, no,
no, no, that's a bad idea. Unless you have nothing to do
the rest of the day on the bathroom. You you go with a
triscuit and then a little bit of cream cheese and aluminum
pepper jelly. No, it's brutal. Now
it's brown. I think I would substitute the triscuit for a
Ritz cracker.
That that is a better idea
that it'll kill me quicker but yeah,
you know I don't know if you're if if this is just an American
thing, but do you know the cracker called chicken in a
biscuit? No, I don't. Okay, look for it in storage. It's a it's
just called chicken in a biscuit. It's like a it's like a
little rectangular shaped rich cracker thing, but it's got some
seasoning on it. Oh, that's good stuff.
Huh? Is it thin?
That's good stuff. Yeah. Yeah, it's about the it's it looks
kind of like a risk cracker but it's rectangular. In a biscuit,
baby.
Oh, I see it here. Oh my goodness. That chicken biscuit.
Big snack crackers wow that's from Nabisco.
Oh that you know, that deserves you to play. I so Alabama,
Alabama of all places.
What about Alabama of all places?
Yep. That's
Michigan in a biscuit.
Play Texas. Why are you there? So Texas? Of course, Texas. You
know who that is? Let me listen.
Of course, Texas. Of course, Texas. No.
Jen briny.
Oh, and then she's Oh, hmm. I never talked with her then.
Sounds like he was one of those. Of course the racists in Texas.
Yep. Yeah, and how about Alabama, Alabama, and
this is Tom Fox in all places. And we're talking about
Alabama having an electric ferry. Not gas powered failing
places. Because y'all y'all are just rednecks. You'd like your
rolling coal you ain't gonna use no electrics things. Yeah, cuz
everybody knows we're a bunch of dumb ass That's right. You're
eating your chicken in a biscuit.
Sometimes I forget to eat because I'm just
too busy with my horse dewormer
cutting down a chicken on a biscuit
I got my horse to warm I'm a chicken biscuit That's right.
Hey, all I know is a lot of people I know in Australia I
think in Texas looks pretty good right now. They're having real
conversations about it like Should we go live in hill
country? That sounds better than what we're what's going on here.
Adam Can you get us Can you get us green cards? Or passports?
I've done a lot of those actually. With a guy I don't
think you can do it anymore it's crazy now you can't get
appointments
and when no you can't do it you just walk in through the border
so you
know that's that's the way to go. I finally got my daughter
was in passport jail for 10 years she she had a password she
lost a passport got a new one issued when she was in Los
Angeles Bless you. And and then it one was stolen, like within a
year of each other. And they said and then in order to get a
new passport, I had to get her documentation from her grade
school. And I was like t verse Oh yeah, no, they were being a
holes about it. And in a way it's like okay dumb ass How can
you lose and get you're just dumb is dumb kids and she
learned her lesson because for 10 years, they would only give
her a one year passport. And so now she's in the system, where
they're just like automatically one year in one year not gonna
do anything. And I'm looking at the situation of the worlds that
I want you to have a valid passport and American passport
is a Dutch one. So you should have a valid one that is good.
You know, if you need to move around for some reason, you
never know what's going to happen. And so I had to backdoor
it. I had to go through my Dutch military contacts to talk to the
ambassador to talk to the embassy to talk the council
thing or whatever. And it worked. But Holy crap, it was
not easy.
He ended up he ended up in Mark Ritter's bathroom for some
reason.
They say a lot of weird things about him. So no.
Maybe you just have to deal with the one year passport. Okay.
Yeah, we'll take care of it. That's very exciting. I'm I'm
very, I'm anticipating that do you have kind of a timeline?
Couple weeks month? Yeah. Who knows? Whatever. Right?
Do the hell knows? Yeah. I mean, like, I would say that it's
going to be if the coding is not going to take as long as I had
originally thought, because, because you're that good. Now
that can repurpose. Right? Because I can repurpose that
that pod PIN code. So that's really save a lot, a lot of
stuff. The other thing is I haven't written rust in six
months. So I gotta, I gotta learn, you know, get back, get
my chops back on that, Benny, but I think I don't think it'll
be too bad. The good thing about activity pub is now that I
understand it. It's actually very easy. I mean, it's weird,
but it's easy. activity. pub is one of these things where it's
got this weird learning curve to it. Where when you first start
reading about it, it seems easy. And then you start looking. You
read the spec, and the spec is like, Oh, this makes sense. And
then you start looking at it in practice, and you're like, what
is this thing doing? Like, what, what's happening here? But then
as soon as you actually put some code in there, and see how it
responds, you're like, oh, it is as easy as I thought it was.
It's just just weird. Like, I don't know, it's a strange
protocol. So to help that mastodon like, you know,
does it differently, does it differently. Yeah. Well, the
reason I asked Because I'm I'm kind of like semi committed to
this El Salvador trip
for the I'm sorry you're going right
well you know it's yeah but I'm a little concerned because i
don't know if i mean I'll go but will the any aircraft go because
this is November I think 15th through 18th which works
perfectly because it's during the week and I would only have
to do one show on the think the 18th from there and then I could
fly back well no, I probably have to do two shows a Thursday
no agenda and this show friday so it leaves Saturday which I
would have left anyway. But that'll be the 19th bam. All
vaccine mandates I think are solid by November 18. And
although and you know and American is what I would prefer
to fly and that's they're already canceling flights left
and right from
veiling Yeah, yeah.
So
this is the flight pilot the pilot strike there's not really
a pilot strike we know you
I'm not too worried about sitting around to get there but
what if I can't get back? Yep, that's a whole places to be
stuck. I just don't want to be stuck in El Salvador. Now I
would be stuck there with Roy I think Roy and I would paint the
towel
I think Roy knows how to have a good time I know Salvador I'm
just
he's already selected the hotel This is where we're staying This
is this way want to be
okay favorite part my favorite part of that Reuter of the Miami
trip with Roy was that he some he's his credit card got
declined Oh yeah. International transaction for the Uber so then
he gets on it but he gets on breeze Yeah, and does bit
refill. Yeah and gets an Uber card an Uber car through bit
refill and has an Uber within like 10 minutes Yeah, I was like
man Yeah, that
was slick and ever since that time I have a severe sufficient
stack of websites on my breeze wallet. But yeah, I saw that one
function you know this I got several wallets and you know all
kinds of stuff that they can do. But yeah, breezes distilled
superduper real wallet and it really is your wallet you know
it's noncustodial try
really I think still blows my mind how it how it's a full lnd
note on a on a phone. Yeah, that's so crazy, man.
Yeah, they're doing brilliant. Yeah, but I think they're doing
all kinds of stuff on the back end and they've got you know,
there's always I mean, I had a nice chat with Roy and he caught
me up on the latest gossip what's happened and what's going
on in in lightning labs land and you know, there's so many
different things and people and it's just you know, there's
always something happening. So yeah, you know, the fact that
this this conference in El Salvador is a lightning specific
conference. I think that's good. And he said it would get me on a
panel so I want to be on Roy's panel I chat Yeah, we chat some
stuff it'd be fun I'm really want to like really wish I need
it. posh is gonna be there and hold on. We see
what's cool. Yeah, Neda that's it'd be great to shake her hand
to see her in person.
Yeah. What's it called again? The lightning summit or adopting
Bitcoin? adopting Bitcoin lightning summit. 2021.
Speakers? Okay, who do we have? I need a posh we know her. Who
else is going to be there?
Who are the speakers? Yeah,
I'm looking Christian. rotes all he's raspy Blitz guy. Let me
look at him. Since I'm running my family finances. I don't know
if Ryan's Oh, you know, I think a lot of the American execs are
not going because they're all afraid for security reasons.
Oh, like executive kidnapping. Whatever. What happens if you
get kidnapped? Do we have key man insurance on you?
Do you have the keys? Forget key man insurance. You got all the
passwords? You have most of the passwords I think to everything.
Oh Paulie toys gonna be there they go.
Oh, good. Yeah, good. Yeah, they you know, things just redid
their UI. I haven't seen it yet. It's on the it's on the beta.
Are they using? Are they still using l&d? Are they using see
lightning? Steven laverra Stefan lavera is going to be there. I
would
like I would like to meet him one day. I think he's a really
good guy.
Yeah, I wish I wish we could go together.
Yeah, I really wish I could go I've got I've got to be Yeah.
Okay. Here's the Here's the exchange. Here's the exchange to
Adam de El Salvador are the great trip went 15 through 18.
Not too bad. I'm leaving on the 21st for a couple days. Well,
it's it's not then you can cook go before then. And then I
thought oh wait Dave has a job oh yeah that's right
your take days off that was your take away you have
I didn't mean it to sound like that oh shit you have a job I'm
what I'm an idiot I'm so sorry
that's right yeah cuz he called vacation yeah
yeah you're really because that's something I'm not very
familiar with yeah I got one one year maybe a one week a year or
something but I'm not complaining not complaining at
all Brian of London man whatever everywhere what but what a great
job he did explaining pod ping on the pod line podcast
they did yeah he did did you did you listen to the after party?
Yes I did I just want to say here that I should probably go
back and look and listen to it but I thought what I said about
it was like oh you like this guy off you did you didn't give him
this? What was it that Dennis What's his name?
Now Chris Chris.
Chris Yeah Chris. Yeah, I'm horrible I'm horrible. Chris I
was I was relating my perspective from then the way it
was perceived then I think I even said What did I know? So
I'm not trying to disparage anybody. Yeah, but maybe it came
out that maybe I was I don't know but I didn't mean to
disparage anybody I just that's what I remembered it and just
admit it while I was Yes, I'm gonna go done. Really?
I try not to go No, No, I'm just kidding.
And then who did this new pod ping stats thing? you seen that?
Yeah, it's the new pod ping watcher.
Somewhere you're talking about the theory tonight what Ryan has
put together where it shows the grid like the charts or are you
talking about the pod track data of like who the new episode data
no this is this is watch it's just it appears to be a new it's
a new pod ping watcher. I don't know that I've seen this almost
like new post is it just from today? I think yesterday I
picked it up it was someone posted at Haas and let me see
I'll be able to find this real quick because I read I boosted I
can find a boost. seeking truth just threw together pod ping
podcast player as a shiny app. Not much of a player just the
list of all feed URLs but it's just it's a different pod ping
watcher but it has a couple different features with a search
and some other things and I missed it I kind of like I just
sit there and I'd like seeing that stuff refresh before my
very eyes
Oh man I missed a lot of missed a lot of posts on the on the
podcast index
yeah you got to go to the local feed from time to time just to
pick up the some of the stuff
that late
well did you see the booster gram was the title for this just
the booster gram names that we have here. We have the numbers
for this together. Carry aren't I think that he put this
together? Yeah, so he has 200 yeah 200 the Mendoza line boost
300 the Spartan boost 315 to Caesar boost for 20 a stoner
boost 500 Indy boost 6668 and boost 755 the Hank Aaron boost
958 Usain Bolt boost 1004 trucker boost 1034 Riot boost
1066 A Norman boost Let's see some of the others here. 1776
and liberty boost the prints boost of course. 1999 Here's
your rush boost at 2112 Oh
yeah, baby.
We got the Van Halen 5150 we got the Mile High 52 at the high
five. High five is good the boob boost 808 the Usher boost which
is disgusting 8701 the Wilt Chamberlain which is 10k
less like the chicks are
okay I get it Beverly Hills which is 90210 the Google which
is 376606. And then my favorite the Jenny boost which is 8675309
you got to be kind of old to get that one. But that's I love
Google 13766061 isn't isn't
that the Google the Google number?
I don't know what it
is backwards. g OGGLE.
Oh, Okay, I got it. Okay. Okay, so yeah, that should be like
yes. 6000 I think there's a mess. I think oh, they
messed it up. It should be 606. Yeah,
yeah. 376.
denied, denied, denied.
This. This chart has a bug.
bombshell. It's a bug.
Boom. Pull Request.
You Yeah, pull request on this list, please.
The speaking of speaking of data, did you see the stuff
about indie, indie apps losing market share? Okay.
I can't look at this. Because the minute someone says indie
apps, I'm already mad. And I lose all sense of I can't think
straight. I'm mad. I'm like, shut up. This is not this is not
indie podcast, it blow me. It makes me mad. And I can't think
straight.
But also, I can't hear you say shut up without while you're
roughing
out Yeah, no. I know. I know what I mean. So me and James in
Spurlock went back and forth about this a little bit. And I
don't think, you know, well, let me just say this. Ah, I don't
want this to be true. So I mean, I'm admitting my bias here. I
don't want this. I don't want. I mean, I don't want this data to
be accurate. So that doesn't mean it's not. But I guess what
I would be what I would say is that, for any kind of data like
this, it's it's never going to tell the whole picture. And I
don't think I don't think James would be saying that anyway. I
don't think he would say that it does. I guess this is,
regardless of who of how much of the industry it represents. And
that kind of thing. The idea that, that we could no, and like
I said, I'm not saying that this is what James is saying. This is
just what I'm saying. Because I guess what bothers me about data
like this going out, is that it? No matter how many qualifiers
you put on it, some people are going to look at it and say,
okay, that's the whole story. And, and I hate that, because
it's really not I mean, like this really could is is could is
just saying one piece of of the entire fragmented, open RSS
ecosystem and is fragmented in a good way. So if you're only
looking at this one piece, you're never going to get an
accurate picture of what's what's actually going on. And if
you look at it, so for instance, what I think that's what
Spurlock pulled together was great, because it shows I'm not
going to even consider the how much of a percentage of the
overall episodes it was that forever. He when he pulled
together was all the new episodes in September, if you
look at them, how many of them redirected through pod track. So
how many of them had a redirect on an enclosure that had pod
tracks somewhere in the redirect chain? And so he shows that
megaphone at 20% of those redirects. So if you look at the
top, it's megaphone at roughly 20% Omni studio at 15% spreaker,
at fifth 14%, SoundCloud at 7%. And so then it finishes out with
Knox future Lipson, aka my simple cast in our 19. So that's
the top 10. That represents almost all of it. If you look at
that data, which is what you miss is the fact that let me
There's hardly anybody in there in the top 10 of hosts using
conntrack have known big hosts like buzzsprout, blueberry,
those guys, they're really not even represented much in there.
So to me what this data looks, what this data looks like to me
is these are shows that are mostly using pod track are shows
that really, these are podcast consultant shows, but let me try
to put it that way. these are these are shows that want to
highly track their audience for advertising for aggressive
advertising. But they're not huge ones in the sense that this
isn't like this is a no it was just that this is this is no
agenda. It's not accidental tech. It's not. There's
significant traffic out there. That is being not included in
this data.
I was surprised to learn that the top 1% of all podcasts do
over 35,000 downloads per episode. Holy crap, that's
nothing compared to what no agenda pushes.
No, yo, y'all are owner. The best we can figure out is y'all
are pushing a million downloads a week but
but hit but now I'm confused. Because we're talking about two
different things. The measurements that were done, the
way I understood For the survey, were done by utilizing pod track
tracking correct. That's that's how the data was created. Okay.
I don't see how that's relevant to which app was being used, and
what I think it is. But let me explain why. We received from an
indie app 500,000 satoshis. Last week 300 over $300 today from
one app, which app delivered that to any of these so called
consultants using pod track for one show? Do you understand my
point it's not relevant. This is not that's that's what I'm
trying to say. It's to me personally, it's, I don't care.
I'm seeing that I don't care if it's only 1000 people 1000 shows
right now we have 2300 I think value for value enabled podcast,
those podcasts are going to bring more value to themselves
and the ecosystem they're using then a mult, a multi multiple
factor of all the other so called non indie podcast apps. I
just don't understand the relevance The future is not who
has the biggest podcast The future is who is who can utilize
the podcasting tools that we're developing to create a better
more valuable network for themselves between their
listeners and our audience whatever you want to call it
producers and and the podcast it's no it's not interesting to
be on you know that more people on Apple are using it, there's
no benefit that's that's, it's like okay, whatever, if people
are listening and they care about you when you say please
use one of these 10 other apps because that's going to keep it
going they'll switch but anything else is just Oh okay,
whatever if if these apps aren't making money for the developers
in the end the podcast is using them then yeah, they'll go away
but I see the opposite happening I see as consistent increase
every value for value podcast that is added is money in the
bank for people guaranteed from day one the minute you try it
out
Yeah, I see what you're you you're you're making that that
broader sort of long term of course argument you know and and
i agree 100% with that with with that. I also think that what
this what this data shows to me is that a show have a podcast
that's going to use pod track is probably also a show that is
going to be motivated by getting by attracting by going to the
biggest platforms
I think that's very fair to say these are people who care about
being the top 10 list and have people game yes the comments and
everything and please do that. Yeah, of course. Of course. That
is the that is now let me say it right now. That's the YouTube
game. And the YouTube game only works when you have algorithms.
So you know so the where do they where are they trying to game it
the algorithms over to iTunes or you know the Spotify list or
whatever that's so Okay, yeah, that's fine that to me that's
podcasting. 1.0 that's how we learn to do with the first one
way around I'm like that's why when I the minute I hear us and
I'm saying collectively us being put into indie podcasters or
indie podcast apps whoever wherever that sources from that
coming It's just like I'm shutting you off because it's
not productive not that I don't appreciate people looking at it
and understanding the overall industry but man i'm i'm pretty
skeptical about you know everything I'm reading now
particularly Spotify stuff and Apple yeah maybe they're gaining
maybe they're not but they don't care. So they don't care over
here podcast index we care we're gonna care to build new things
and make better stuff they don't care so whatever stop writing
about them.
I don't think Spotify cares either go home of course they
don't care No, here's my late here's my latest thinking on
this because somebody said the other day on the index the
social on the mastodon that they were surprised at how easy
anchor made it to leave to export their feed data out. And
you know, thought it kind of caught me off guard. I was like,
you know that. That's, that is interesting. They've already
said that they're going to shut off RSS feeds for new anchor.
New RSS feeds,
but not enable them would be the technically correct way
to opt in. opt in 90% of the anchor catalogue is garbage. We
all know that. I think that they can't wait to get out of the RSS
game. I think they they are looking to close the door on
RSS. And they just want to get out of that game altogether
because they understand for them. It's not a moneymaker.
It's a it's a call center for them. I mean, ng anchor hat
cannot be making any money. No. And so, you know, I was thinking
about that. When I read that was sort of the backdrop of reading
this this wired article that Spotify is breaking podcasts. I
don't know if you read that.
Of course I did. Of course, I am just amazed by the things that
that people think and are saying,
did they This was my favorite part of the article says. Then
along came Spotify. Stoller argues that the company is
trying to pull off the same power grab, as Google and
Facebook, take control of the advertising and distribution
process, and control and monetize the entire ecosystem
through targeted advertising. a process known as streaming ad
insertion, this grab would destroy the current open system,
because the only viable way to get listeners and money would be
through Spotify.
Yep. Well,
I'd like to, I'd like to do Yes, I'd like
to different part. closed loops, referring to what you just said,
mixed with a situation where the primary stakeholder is an
advertiser creates a race to the bottom, which is terrible for
the consumer and for creativity more generally, when the
advertiser is a stakeholder, a stakeholder, how do you extract
value from the big money you're spending? Well, you go toward
tried and true content, which is mostly but not entirely true
crime and celebrity. And that's it, you reduce creativity.
That's why I've always said you cannot monetize the network.
That's why I left my own company. What I was doing was
building NASCAR's and I had to put all the logos over the
windscreen Thank you. When I left that's why I said I was
leaving they like because they will appreciate you have to be
brand safe and and that's where the left that's where all the
leverage comes from with with the canceled culture. It's a
sick, sick, sick ecosystem. It doesn't work.
Play. There's a clip in here and I think I misspelled is Hassan
is supposed to be Hassan. Hassan
Yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah, good
for Okay, thing that I found very interesting since I started
podcasting is when I tell people that I do it, one of like, the
first things they ask me is, are you making any money? How are
you making money? Are you monetizing it? And I don't know
if it's because it's linked to the career that I had before.
But I find it very interesting that people immediately jump on,
are you earning any money, and they can't understand why I
would just do it as a hobby and just want to create free content
for entertainment for people to listen to. Nobody asked golfers
who spend 6070 pound a month on their golf membership with their
two 300 pound golf clubs who go and spend four or five hours
every weekend playing golf. Nobody says to them, we are
spending all this money playing golf, how are you monetizing it?
How are you making money from it? Or people that mountain bike
who spend hundreds on mountain bikes or photography? I guess
maybe people might be able to monetize photography, but you
get my gist. If these are hobbies that people do, they
spend significant amounts of money on it, and they get
nothing back from it financially. And they're not
spending anywhere near 6070 pound for golf. It's relatively
cheap to podcast. But I find it very interesting that people
immediately jump on how are you monetizing this? How you doing
it? And I don't know if that's just because within the podcast
community, there's a lot of people who have a podcast as a
sales funnel for their business. And so monetization is very
important to them. I've actually found it quite a struggle to
chat with other people within the podcasting community who
just do it for entertainment, who just do it for fun, and who
aren't concerned about monetizing that are operating at
the kind of scale that I am, which I just find very, I find
very interesting.
Yeah, I understand. I think this was the best interview that
they've ever done. Who would who was this? This was on pod land
yesterday. Yeah. But was that they interviewed her Her name
was Genevieve Hassan, aka Jen. Yes. Genevieve I loved every bit
of this interview. Because this is a this is a woman who is
literally losing money on her podcast. But then now she's
gotten her her podcast is now featured on Virgin Atlantic.
Right, right, right, right. Right, right. And she did it.
She's She's in it and purely for the hobby purely for the love of
doing it. And this perfectly illustrates not just this
perfectly illustrates a lot of things. But to me, it
illustrates number one, the most importantly, why the podcast
industry is different from so much. It's almost unique in this
in this aspect 40 we know that 47% of people roughly, podcast
just for the love of doing it. They know they don't care about
making money. It's just purely the love of being able to
broadcast themselves freely over the internet for other people to
hear. It gives them enjoyment. I love it. I mean, so think of
literally, I don't can't think of another industry, where
literally half of the entire participants in the industry
don't care about making money. And the other half only cares
about making money or not only but is consumed with the idea of
making money. That is a sort of inherently schizophrenic
industry when it when it comes to a business plan. But from a
human freedom aspect,
what he said, is that any different from wonderful, is it
any different from the music industry. There are a lot of
musicians who just play because they like playing.
I guess it's different to me in my mind, because when you go out
there, they you can't tell a difference. Like if I listened
to Genovese podcast, and then I listened to Dax Shepard, you
can't tell that there's any debt, one of them is making a
few million dollars a year and the other one makes nothing
isn't that great.
I love that. They're both on the same screen, and I can click and
listen to either one of them with one click. And that's not
really the case for music so much. I mean, the it is a little
bit true if you taken Spotify, but historically speaking, this
is to me uniquely a podcasting thing, but that's
why I believe that value for value is not a monetization
model. It's something else, it's building a connection with the
people on the other end. You know, it's it's and where we are
now, as a group developing this feedback loop into something
that's going to it's going to be really important. I can feel in
my bones how big this is going to be. And so you can still be a
I love what I do. I love this show I love and seriously, I
really look forward to it. Like I get to do the show. And I
don't have to worry about a single thing other than holding
myself accountable to people who are listening. Who will who hold
me accountable. And you of course, obviously that's it, but
then to get something in return that just makes that just makes
it an entire beautiful human experience.
I love how this draws this has to drive big tech crazy.
Well, they've been trying to steal it from us for you know,
20 years. So yeah,
yeah. Yeah, I mean it dry. It drives me crazy. It's such a
beautiful expression. podcasting is such a beautiful expression
of human action and freedom of association. It's it's a thing
that you know, really it does, it does from a media standpoint,
what Bitcoin does, from a financial standpoint.
And then we had this really interesting hybrid pop up which
was another very interesting human experience between people
we we both know all of them we don't know where they live we
probably don't really know their real names they have names like
blueberry and Thunder Thunder Road and sir Spencer and and i
think one or two of them I only know by their their node ID and
now we have put together a financial relationship based on
trust and cooperation. It should I play this jingle because I
presume that's what this is for.
Yeah. And get down down down and
have fun five, podcast Ring of Fire.
So Abel Kirby, so this label Kirby's been doing great stuff.
For the years, explained the ring of fire?
Oh, no, I think you should explain to me Well, this was new
to me as well, better than
it was new to me as well, the idea is, you create a ring. So a
ring of channels between, we have six, between six people
have a node and these happen to be all podcasters who have
nodes, and you take a significant amount, what do we
do 500,000 sets was that we needed and so each open a
channel to the next person in the ring. And once we figured
out, you know, which was a right hand in our left hand, Dave,
hey, you opened in the wrong direction?
No, I opened a private channel.
That's right, you open a private channel. Okay, that that can
happen that can happen. Once we had that all figured out, and
then did Abel who pushed all the SATs through? Who started that?
Oh, was that sir Spencer?
I think it was it was my sir Spencer. And Tony, he pushes it
through routing through all of these nodes. So everybody winds
up with a almost perfectly balanced 500,000. Satoshi no
channel, which, by definition, because of all the other
connections we have individually, really makes us a
great place for, for traffic to flow through. And I guess, you
know, maybe in 10, one planning, do you think we'll make money on
fees on forwarding fees? Or is it? I mean, just having great
liquidity, and I like I like doing it? I don't know what to
do with it. Like, yeah, we
got a ring of fire. Okay, yeah, yay, go ring.
It doesn't mean you always have liquidity.
Well, and I think that we, we're all well connected nodes. You
know, we've all got sort of feel a fingers going off the Ring of
Fire owed to other nodes, I think there's a good chance that
we'll get and we'll get forward and go in through us. You know,
that's, that's something that I think that's something I need to
address with what Brian of London said about lightning? on
his interview, is that a couple of things, it doesn't matter.
You know, he he talked a lot about what if visa shows up and
has $5 billion?
Yeah, stick to things, you know, Brian,
a bunch of routing in it, who cares, that's completely
irrelevant, it means nothing. If if they do that, and they've
dropped their fees to zero and suck in all the routing, that's
fantastic. I'd highly encourage them to do that. They're gonna
make no money off of it. And it gives everybody awesome
liquidity. And yeah, if they pull out and pull out, the
network just routes around and does everything else it's it
means it's completely meaningless. Because like,
because every transaction within lightning isn't encrypted is an
encrypted hop and so they can't they have it gains them nothing
to do that because they don't get any visibility into the
encryption they still can't see where the where the things come
in where they go so right it's it's not it's not an issue it's
a non issue that the other thing was that you know strike is
strike gets a lot of flack but they are they you have to
remember they're a bank. Yeah, when you when you set up a bank,
a strike account, you're setting up a bank accounts just like
PayPal. So they have they have regulations that they have to
adhere to KYC and all that kind of jazz. So you know, when
you're going when it comes to these other countries and other
regions and that kind of thing, it's just going to take time I
mean, like what I wish would happen from a strike standpoint,
I wish that other companies that are not strike in like in
Australia, there needs to be a company in Australia doing what
strike does and it means a strike clone company that comes
up and just does when they do and another one in Europe,
another one in South America. I mean there needs to be more of
these companies instead of just waiting around for one one
company to go do it all
I think that but I think we definitely need to parallel we
need Uncle Jim nodes we need we need a lot of that that I think
Yeah, you have to have that you need to have the nerdy kid is
going to set up the mastodon server for his kid his friends,
right? Yeah, you need that you need the nerd who set up the BBs
and had the five phone lines. I mean, I can just keep going back
in tech history. You needed the guy who had the shell account
that you could, you know, tunnel into go on and on and on and on.
So I think I think it's important to have that at the
same time. which is you know, that's that's kind of what raspy
Blitz and Umbro are doing I don't know,
having that having that fear but the thing that makes drag so
beautiful is that you deposit in fiyat. And it stays in Fiat
until you move it somewhere else. Yeah. That's the beautiful
piece of it. It's a it's a, it's a Fiat to crypto gateway that
you don't have that you're you're not, but it's not an
exchange,
can you can you go the other way with bit refill? Can you take
something out of bit refill? And then back to back to lightening?
I think you can. Because I don't know, I think I think you can go
to bit refill because you know, the the big secret of bit refill
is that you have $1 wallet in there. So you can park funds,
and then you park it in there. And it's just shows in dollars
and just stays dollars like that forever. And then you can take
slash
tracking. Right, but
let me just see. Can you then can you put in from Fiat into
bit refill into your dollar wallet? You don't? I mean, I
don't know. Okay. I'll have to figure it out. Because that
could be an interesting way of doing it. Lightning, let me see.
Lightning is paying go both ways. All right off to figure it
out. Anyway, yeah, I mean, there's there's a barrier to
entry, no doubt about it. There's a barrier. But you know,
people getting interested. Again, I remember, go to my web
page, find the little RSS orange icon, right click on it, copy
the link up, then alt tab. And now go to the plus thing and
then paste it and now you're subscribed. And I remembered the
months and I remember when you know, well Apple has one click
subscription they've won forever. You know, it's none of
it's true. Just no one wins forever in this game. It just
seems that way.
bag. That's that's what I was saying earlier. And and it
drives the big tech crazy because they can't own it. And
it
was who was maybe it was on pod land that all all of Google's
money. It's all advertising.
Yeah, that was brown. Well, yeah. As Brown was saying that.
Yeah, yeah, it's all advertising.
They don't make any they lose money on a lot of other things.
I'm sure. advertising is becoming unpopular. This is what
this is why I say Hollywood is as good as dead. Oh, sir.
Yeah, that's an issue played the Hassan part, too. I think she
has some good things to say. I'm just gonna
obviously continue making the podcast for as long as people
want to listen to it for as long as I'm able to have guests who
are happy to be on it. And when I had wobble last year, it got
to the point where I was like,
it was I think, she talked a little bit at one part about how
the latest data shows that older, like, you know, Gen X and
up, don't want to pay for content for media content, but
in the younger generations, they're fine with paying for it.
That they feel like it's normal. I think that falls into this.
This discussion.
Hmm, sure. What is it? What is this clip you have here, which
is triggering me? What? I don't know. coder radio? indie apps.
Yeah, this is a good clip. This is a really good clip.
This is gonna trigger me. Yeah, okay. All right. Yeah.
I know what Spotify did. Did hit me up with where's this from?
This is from a podcast called coder radio. And this guy's name
is Chris Fisher. Yeah, Chris Fisher, he he's talking about
the a song about Spotify. You know, try it. I don't know, play
it. You
know, what Spotify did? did hit me up with a proposal. It was
like super low ad rates. But it was like guaranteed three ads a
show. And you get access to our music library. And I went What?
Let me think about that. But no, I'm not not, like do a DJ show.
No, but you could, but yeah, like if you use their PC, you
have to switch your publishing platform. You have to switch to
their feed servers and all that kind of stuff. But if you
publish through you can you still I I'm not sure about this.
I think you can still remake an I think you can still have a
public RSS feed. But you have to publish through their system.
But if you do that, they let you they give you license, like a
radio station to their music library. So you can you could do
a DJ show, or we could have like, you know, your favorite
song is our intro music, that kind of thing. But you have to
sell your soul. They own they own you. They own the content,
and they own all the ad deals and they give you a very small
cut. But they give you a lot of small cuts. I mean, have you
ever read the apple developer agreement? The souls already
gotta gotta Couple markers on it. I know and Twitch is doing
the same thing. YouTube is going down its dark route I tell you
it is the only thing that's really gonna save podcasting is
if listeners continue to use and insist they use their own
podcast apps, their favorite podcast app if they use these,
you know and I we have people listening on Spotify, I am
grateful they listen, especially if it's the best way or only way
for you to listen. But the best thing you could do is subscribe
to the show at coder dot show slash subscribe in an
independent podcast app that isn't owned by Apple or Amazon
or Spotify. I love overcast right that's great you'll pry it
from my cold dead hands Hey Whatever happened to pocket
casts Are they still around? Yeah, they got bought by
lightning
Well, I think I think this is a recognition amongst people that
you know yeah, these are old time podcasters but I think
there's a recognition out there that that these big companies or
big tech is throwing around deals that really don't make
sense for smaller podcasters at all
No, no, no but this is there with the minute you do what
Spotify is doing you're in the hits business that's what it is
and you're gonna get true crime and celebrity content that's it
that's that's how that's and that was the constant battle I
had with my own Podcast Network I know how this works and that
was not even a closed system
it's just found it interesting that they're that their pitch is
one of the one part of their pitches you can access the music
catalog Yeah,
but from what I understand you can't talk over the music you
know there's a whole bunch of different restrictions
and if you ever leave you got to redo all of your back catalogue
well yeah there's that but also again I like looking forward you
know i'm i'm looking forward to April Kirby with with a value
block split on the on the new album. Yeah, that's what I'm
looking forward to and I'm looking forward to meeting the
developer who creates that front end to what we're already doing
and make it just pure music.
Speaking speaking of label Kirby, we're gonna do some
things some people
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have again to boost the grams first or what are we doing?
No no no I'm gonna do get one Pay Pal this week one one
only one one off so what we're doing is we're shifting the
booster grams and we're going to go poor doing it Yes. I was I
was afraid of that. We're gonna have fun That's right. Okay,
thank god bitcoins going up it compensates
$114 from Super nerd media $114.49 Okay, and I don't know
if he wants me to give his real name so I'm gonna say just super
nerd for now. Cuz I can't tell from the note but he says as the
first donor. First donation know for $114.49 All right, please
accept this donation, which is $100 for a T shirt. Yeah, we got
you on the rose. I wonder if we're having handheld air. He
won't wonder if we're having supply chain issues
within t shirts. Let me let me defragment this person first.
First time Thank you very much.
T shirt plus $10 which I hope cover shipping and handling and
$4.49 because you don't need to be paying PayPal tax. I got your
back. Oh, thank you. Thank you for the work that you and Adam
are doing and the index and thank you for the PC 2.0
podcast. Your soliloquy. They don't care about us. We're only
numbers in a spreadsheet to them was one of the best summaries of
the us versus them situation I've heard. And I hope you don't
mind that I clipped and played that on the barnhardt podcast.
Thank you for your courage and go podcasting.
Oh boy. Barnhart ever since I published that little package of
jingles they're showing up everywhere.
Yes, I noticed that. Yeah. And they're loud.
loud.
It's really funny when you have like a normalized
volume. Why are you laughing? Shut up. Yeah shut up shut up.
Anonymous play anonymous plebe send us 10,000 SATs
Oh, booster grams okay anonymous pleiad he said
been streaming SAS for months thanks for the podcasting 2.0
rabbit hole anonymous bleep
thank you very much
see got we got some
and by the way for people who are not boosting thank you for
streaming satoshis in real time as well obviously we love
getting the value back
yeah and send us drop us maybe drops a little tiny me a 50 cent
boost sometime and leave a message if you want to boost
Gary arts and he sent a 1776
patriot boost now as the French say it is time for low boost
now you did a 1776 boost and played the French I know I know
you're rubbing it in their face well
well you know like we did learn the republic from them and let's
be honest, it was their idea first
Yeah, they just had to take it one step too far and start
killing people for being Christians in the end we'll get
rid of the calendar.
Well okay, but they also cut off the heads of their leaders so
you know there's some other good things they did
true. Okay. It's uh, we will we will declare a stalemate on this
one. Okay. podcasting 2.0 is changing everything The future
is here. Most people just don't know it yet. I agree here
of course of course. It's hot. That's how it goes. We're in for
the long haul.
Anonymous for 1000 sets through breeze and anonymous just says
okay,
okay. All right. Thanks appreciate it. We'll take it
That's good.
Isn't weird as boosted
I think did did the pod lamb guys get a really rude one that
it didn't want to read.
You gotta read this stuff.
But the thing that's great though is and James understands
this he said I'll take your money anyway. Even though you
said something horrible to me. Yeah, that's the beauty of it.
That makes you feel kind of okay about it. If every every troll
gave you a 10 sat 10,000 SATs with every troll they did. You'd
be like okay, maybe with another it's like
somebody's just getting all up in your grill and just treating
you like garbage and then buying you a beer after afterwards.
Exactly. And here's a beer.
Yeah. Abel Kirby since 5000 SATs Oh man, Curio caster and he says
I tried to make a podcast using clean feet and Bluetooth but
there is no way to get high quality audio and the microphone
running at the same time is a huge annoying oversight.
Now Bluetooth Bluetooth is scary man a scary you know there was a
in the beginning when I really started to use the noise gate.
As a part of my overall podcast sound. I get a lot of emails
saying Dude, you can't do that. What do you mean? Well when you
send out 00 bytes through the system my my bluetooth thinks
we're done and shuts off pause so there'll be a pause you know
for like a second or two I like I love pauses but everyone can
think up like what's happened and then usually picks back up
it was just cutting out so yeah, there's there's problems with
Bluetooth.
Yeah, that's funny. Dred Scott 35,000 SAS or Curio caster, he's
a machine gun.
Alright, so Dred Scott, who is a big part of of this, this
movement? Because he has he has been really showing everybody
how cloud chapters work how they work. Separate from the podcast.
He does them for this podcast for the no agenda show he does
it for Moe facts he does it for the show with Laila and her dad
the Fun Fact Friday Yeah, Fun Fact Friday he he's always it we
have them in the in the split for all of these shows. He's
always supporting me. I think this guy is probably like a
Bruce Wayne type. He's gotta be a billionaire. He's got a
Batcave, he comes out from time to time. chapters. And then he
goes back to his cave, and you know, and then he's hosting a
party with all these beautiful models and politicians and
Hollywood people. That's what I think Dred Scott is he's a very
mysterious man.
Each and every now and then somewhere, wherever, wherever he
lives. He just blows through the waterfall in the bet in the in
the automobile. The automobile. Yeah, the dream of Bill has
night on the town. comes back. I
do want to say drib And I said this to the clip custodian to I
said when you need to take a break just take it out and
please just shoot us an email it'll all be fine. Take the
break you know I was so happy the clip custodian he took a two
week break that was for shows and I was so happy he did that.
Because I have seen it happen people participate and now of
course, we have a relationship because cloud custodian and drab
they're getting 5% of everything you know, so it's interesting
how much better it works when that's in place because I've
seen people burn out like crazy and I would say you're gonna
burn out man like just stop but when there's when there's a
financial relationship involved even though it's pretty ad hoc
you know, we have no paperwork or anything actually. I think we
do we will send the 1099 or something to Dr. Eric has that
covered I hope or I presume that relationship makes it better
somehow not worse. Yeah, you know what I mean? Anyway, dread
you're you're a gem my friend. Thank you so much.
Yeah, that is no just says go podcast.
Of course it does. And we will let you know.
Okay, through breeze anonymous. Let's see here. Okay, video
podcast. Host Yes. This is for this. discombobulated. 1223 SATs
through breeze video podcast. Host Yes. I was blown away when
I started putting clips from mm on three spake mortals.
Oh, hey. Oh wait, he's already he's already on three speak not
with the hives.
Evidently. Wow. All right. Which I will I have to I have to
register a complaint with the Department of hive. Brian, you
are not the world's first value for value video enabled
platform. That title belongs to no agenda gates within a tube.
Yes,
but I'm happy to hear and I mean this
he's getting paid now he's getting some jack I didn't know
he was getting he got the bag man. Brian, Brian. The bag man
the bag. Now I get it Yeah. Now I know Chris tour. Yeah. Oh,
this is this is so first he got the award, which is a nice award
by the way. Anybody can make up to 30 grand you said or
something?
Yeah, yeah. And that's, that's 75 trillion
hive and now and now he's doing a victory lap. He's doing a
little press tour. Little PR let everyone know. That
Congratulations, man. That's right. I think he's the first
one to exit. He's the first exit from podcasting. 2.0 not very
well. Very good. I'm proud not proud of that. I think that's
fantastic. I love that. And I want everybody to make money.
Everybody should be making money on this.
And it makes piping a better product. Hell, yeah. Bill
Prague's and it's 2000 SATs. And he says in this report for and
he says, that is how media creates drama. There was no
hate. I was actually thinking Daniel is just too complicated
for me. I understand simple things like high spending go
podcasting. You're exactly right this week create drama. That's
what makes booster jams exciting. Yes,
exactly. It was that means the contest is over. Are we done
now? Is the hit. I like monetizing hate. That was so
much fun.
monetizing. Hey, yes, it's built right into the protocol
everybody just agree. If you send us a booster gram we're
gonna twist it to our own ends
That's right. We will make hate out of it. Yes.
Brian of London and his 20,000 SATs he says pod paying is the
gateway drug yes it is thanks Brian. What I want to say is
he's plugging this stuff
again he's plugging his contract
yes 75 trillion Hi. Why don't we get out of there Come on bro. I
don't mind him saying that but what he says you know the
useless calculations of Bitcoin now okay. Yeah, all right. hive
master.
Cow a bear is 10,035 sets through cast ematic He says,
wish I could try to do what I wish I could try
cast ematic it's iOS only isn't it?
Oh, yeah. You're Yeah, you
can't hear good things about it. People like oh, it's great. I
like I use it a lot. Yeah. I like the I like the boost
booster gram editor in it because it's full screen and I
get a lot of places. A lot of space to type.
Nice.
Nice cow, a bear since 10,035. says
thanks, man. today. That's a lot of money today.
Oh no. He's he's about outdo himself in a minute get ready oh
put your seatbelt on okay. He says hallelujah it's raining
SATs whip out your Umbro okay um bro
bro node
bro node thank you thank you thank you
see that's that's a duplicate a double printed time okay all
right again I'm moving on anonymous through breeze 10,000
SATs it says boost from the breeze app Nice work boys
thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you and you know
you you you you help out everybody when you boost
bro yeah that's that's a good point that I don't know if
people understand when you boost everybody down the chain also
gets their cut so the app gets their percentage the podcaster
gets their percentage the index we get a percentage for the API
and in anybody if you do the full boost like the breeze then
everybody that's in the split also gets a percentage so like
that's yeah you're sharing the love sharing the
love yeah this is literal love
round of London 333 SATs I have to boost my debut on podcasting
2.0 Yes you did.
Thank you
and you did
say Who is this and we put them in a split that all works that
that went reasonably painless I didn't realize I had to give put
in a special key and value for him because I just taken his I
forget even though he just sent me I just got his node ID and I
put it in I didn't pay attention and then we republish the feed
with the with the correct information which I just put in
the split editor on Curio caster worked perfectly. He was getting
SATs and he could see it flow all the way through to that damn
hive machine
all the way all the way the little mouse the mouse trap
flipped and the little thing came down the
pong ball fell on the spoon the spoon king over a cat
Okay, let's see Frank is hilarious and a prankster of
booster grams Franco
he hooked me up with the Italian podcast festival i think i think
i got his name I think we got it wrong on the last show.
Okay, he said he said 4489 says 2689 set 3585 sets 905 sets
wow What's he doing?
He's evidently testing is
are these numbers have any any important?
I don't know. Just random 192 SATs and 896 sat
just okay maybe random any messages?
There are other messages all the same on every one of them. Okay,
greetings from festival festival of podcasting.
Ah Viva La podcast
is Italian so is V Viva is editor
that's what he asked us that's what they asked me to say. Okay,
I think was Viva podcasting.
I'm where I'm so bad at languages 1377 sat
he just saying the same message with random numbers is he having
a stroke maybe is what's going on
if you smell almonds
call us don't boost to grandma's I
don't know how many that is altogether yeah that's like when
you call the doctor and they're like if you have an emergency
don't leave a message yeah not one more Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so
I don't know how much well but
yeah, we love it man. Thank you Thank you very much. And it was
fun it was fun doing my little bit there I hope I hope you guys
got some nice feedback I've no idea how that went there's no
Italians emailing me so who knows?
Well that might be good. Not emailing you with hate
but since it's pick on Adam week
now it's a 5000 SATs anonymous through breeze and says my first
V for V boost Dame Jennifer's irresistible
top secret boyfriend
do bf I'm gonna meet the new BMC I'm gonna meet the new bf at at
the ball strap meet up
Oh Is she coming out there? Yeah well that's a that's a long
few 130 people are coming they had to stop they said no more
note no one else can come we're full
yeah it's gonna end up being like a like Woodstock 99
they have a parking attendant
jeez
these people are super mad.
Yeah cuz you're gonna you're gonna end up having to get
permits I'm thinking I should probably go strapped you
know, it's like a lot of people there could be some idiots I
gotta be I gotta be I gotta be packing heat.
He starts it starts as made up for you know, it's
a shootout. Is the shoot out direction oh yeah well there
will be spooks there for sure.
Sir Sir Pete sent us 5000 SATs through the fountain app and he
says love the story of Brian of London gonna go trust them
emojis now go podcasting
all right thank you sir peaks are paid has been around a long
time he's been in the he's been with us a long time.
And another 1776 boosts anonymous through through breeze
Oh, it's not anonymous. This is from Max Hillenbrand ah Hello my
love you guys I'll shower you with impossible feature request
to
spray in the SATs.
Yeah, Liberty sets and Marissa ski Oscar Mary gave us a second
shoes and which
I heard is also a row of ducks.
Oh, is that what the that's I can see. Yeah.
So if you do a two to six zero that's a duck duck go donation
like that you're welcome back
thank you thank you Oscar no message.
We understand you don't always have to say we know we'd like to
we'd love you to
and he's been programming he didn't have time to Franco
Franco celerio again 1000 sets and he says it was actually me
with Italian festival did the intro in Italian was great.
Oh okay, so my joke did work.
Can we have independent confirmation that the joke that
the joke went off Chad Pharaoh 3333 sets through fountain he
says Adam and Dave Can we please have a moment of silence for the
pod friend iOS beta oh no you can't it's been resurrected
It's okay It's okay actually I that's why I asked you earlier
because always have that already. But no, it's back
there's no need to pay played taps.
The reports of its death are premature. Yes. 2200 exaggerated
and exaggerated. The C 2200 for SATs were from anonymous to the
pod friend app. It says how much how much satoshis are flowing
through the systems daily hmm
I don't know anymore.
I can get that information for the next show. Yeah let's it's
all in the database.
Yeah, what will be interesting most interesting me is number of
transactions and then obviously if we can break out streaming by
boosts and then what it's never gonna be it's just gonna be
approximate right? When he SATs but but I think the number of
transactions is extremely interesting to me. It's like
hash rate for Bitcoin you know?
Let's see.
Are you doing SQL as we speak Select star from looking
at our daily
from
the more of that star
I told you I wanted RM sh
All right. Oh yeah, don't do that was bad. Okay, we had a
total of over the last 24 hours at 2711 transactions ever sizes
against that payment over the last 24 hours we had 2711
transactions
2711 transaction an average was 16 sacks SATs.
SATs yeah 24 hours before that was 781 transactions with an
average of 178 SATs. So I'll have to be I've got
to do some wizardry some average some wizardry on this and then
that's just our system but then we have to extrapolate that for
how everyone else is doing Do we have any idea
those are original amounts coming through so that I'm not
sure that represents anything and I'll bring stats next time.
Cool. Let's see. Anonymous through breeze Oh is not an
armistice is 3300 SAS he says so cool. It's so cool to hear your
own oh here so cool to hear your own boost came true about the
nerdy stuff Terry at in a social
Thank you very much. Thank
you for Thank you, Terry. Ghost. Here is cow a bear 100,000 SATs
holy crap. I wasn't ready for this. Okay. Yes, he
says Bala cola 20 inch blades on the previous prom go off in
podcasting
shot Kala blades on the Impala. I'm sorry you're good good well
I talked to him about it I said
okay with it
yeah of course he said I said no I just I just want to tell you
man we've been stealing this for podcasting 2.0 is it now no no
no we we share we lend and borrow he says I know we're
doing mo karma. Where do you think that came from? It's a
good point.
Nice Yeah. I don't you're not a gamer. So you don't you're not
going to get this reference. But there's a game called Marvel vs
Capcom, which is like it has these crazy like, moves where
you'd like launch an attack at somebody in the whole screen
shakes and craps blowing up and there's lasers. All kinds of
crap coming out. Like this is what I see in my head when call
a bear since 100,000 says he's the voice of Dragonball Z guy.
Oh, right. Right right. Right right
explosion of sass coming through, you know, and like
shaking the screen and everything you'd like, in yo
just, you know Satoshi blast it's just some kind of huge you
know, crazy crap.
Well, for me that would be Street Fighter two dhalsim Yes,
yes. Yeah, I mean, that's where I kind of left gaming. I was I
was pretty good at that. dulcimer that long ass leg that
could come up Yeah, and the fire yeah, oh yeah. I like that guy.
He was good.
Thank you cow man. That was awesome. James Cridland 2222
second shoes nice. Through the fountain nap. He just he just
says go podcasting.
James
James I want to hear the route booster grant.
Yes. Yeah, what's wrong with you man? Sounds
cool. See anonymous? No, that was me. You sent a bra.
You sent a rude booster gram
Yeah. Oh a cow. I don't know if this is called a bear or not. It
just says cow that he said love the work you guys are doing if
y'all want some fresh cranberries let me know I grow
them and it's harvest season.
Oh hell yeah. I'd love some cranberries. Definitely.
Definitely. That's one thing man podcasters and their listeners.
It's amazing how many homemade products you wind up with. I've
got everything from cheese that's homemade. To CBD solve to
holsters I mean this this there's nothing people don't
make I love it and they're always sharing that stuff.
Yeah, I love cranberries and it keeps the keeps the urinary
tract nice and clean. Right.
Okay. TMI TMI.
We get 100 set boost from anonymous through breeze and the
messages butthead.
Okay, thanks
okay. I don't know if he's talking about you or me but
whenever
it's alright. It makes one of us Beavis so I guess it's just as
bad
so blueberry sent me a note and he said that he sent what I
think is an 80,000 set what boost fat streaming but but I
don't he says he he says he's not sure if his note get
attached and I couldn't find it in my email. So I'm going to get
it. This happened before one time with Dred Scott and had to
get it to get in the database.
Did you find the payment or just not the note?
Found it I ended up finding it all. Oh, okay. And so I need to
dig for it. So this came in late Rob for the show. So I'm gonna
have to go look for that. I'll bring it next week. Okay. All
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Is that I didn't know that was his his moniker. Yeah,
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You kidding me?
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How's it doing?
I don't know. He's, he just pipes in every now and then with
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To make sure he's still alive. Just David has a pulse. He's got
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That's true. Yeah. Derek j visca. Great name $21 Paul
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Wow. Thank you all. Thank you so much for keeping the project
moving forward. All we ever asked for is time talent
treasure. A lot of you brought all three. So appreciated love
the booster grams. You're seeing how it can be done. It works.
And you're all making it happy to happen. And we should all be
making little bits of pieces of satoshis I just love it. I love
it. I love it. I love that we're stalking a man. I can't say it
enough. What do we where do we start off with this show? What
was Bitcoin?
Oh 2016 16,000 that right? Now remember, it's
now 61,400
Oh, wow. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Well, it crashed down again. Don't worry. Whatever you do,
don't get happy. That's not gonna be it. But you know, from
a technical perspective, I can see 73 and then 100 something
do you have in these pictures in the clip list? pictures. There's
an Adam Curry and Brett Weinstein. Oh, I do see Adam
Curry. Okay, so don't don't up in the Adam Curry.
Okay, I'm not I have not opened it. I'm closing it without
looking out. Okay,
open the Brett Weinstein red wine. These are just, I don't
remember how I got these. But these are from Google. Do you
see the description on the left the bio? American podcaster
Yeah, Brett Weinstein American podcast are now open the Adam
Curry and see what it says you are.
Okay.
Announcer
corner we've got Brett Weinstein, the American podcast.
Rock Bottom Korean. Let's go.
You are not a podcaster you're I'm an
announcer I don't know. I think that's kind of a step down.
Announcer sounds pretty lame. I
think it does.
Worse than MTV vj thanks Google for show sir. It's probably says
that I might Wikipedia or some crap like that. You're not
allowed to change yourself.
I gotta get back to work. Yeah, I
know. You've got to go save the world. Make sure that no one
pays too much tax. Dave, thank you so much for everything
you've been doing. Certainly in these past two months where I
know that you have you had a September 15 corporate tax
deadline and then the October 15. And, and you're so slick at
everything you do that I even forgot you had a job. It's true.
Yeah, it's true. I actually still have one that well and
I'm glad that families really thankful for that.
Yes. Brother, I hear you. You are the pod sage. Have a great
weekend. Dave.
Yeah, you too, man. I'll see you next time.
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