podcasting 2.0 for October 22 2021, Episode 59 double down
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walls are more than in any asylum. My friend on the other
end, Mr. Dave Jones
sounds good like it this week.
Like what? Why you going crazy, bro?
Yeah, just, you know, the all the stuff going on. There's
always never it never stops. There's always something there's
always something new. Yes, yesterday we got on. So, I've
been working on this live chat thing. Yeah. And had just pulled
up just this. I mean, this thing's barely just pieced
together with me. No tape. And so but I'm like, okay, I want to
get a an idea of what of how it feels. So I mean, we need some
people in there need some interaction I want I want to see
how the flow is and the UI and all that kind of jazz. You know,
just rudimentary stuff. Sure. And so I put it on, I posted it
on on the mastodon and link just to one to a session on the
server. And, you know, a few people jumped in.
And it started to work. People were replying,
yes. If it weren't for all of about 45 seconds. And you know,
I said I said, Hey, you know, there's no this there's no,
there's no user input sanitization. There's none of
that in here. This is all you know, this is just wireframe
stuff. Well, you know, of course, the JavaScript guys get
in there and just immediately start, you know, freaking out
and going, and like, taking over everybody else's browser,
JavaScript on their tags and their messages. Yeah, yeah. It
devolved into chaos. How
much we forget about how things work in the real world. You got
to put in 8 million things to stop the script kiddies. Yeah.
Ryan Hirsch changed the entire UI for everybody. Fine,
what was the point? Was the point and just show their
prowess or just a mess with you, Dave. What do you think the
point was? Yeah. Yeah. That's very funny. I remember the first
time I did an Reebok was my client we build planet Reebok
calm I'm talking the 90s. And
when it Reebok the pumps were you pump.
The pump. We as we did the launch to the pump, but this was
still Shaq was their big guy, right? Literally. And so they
had Shaq, and we went to the interest. I think it was
actually it was it was probably the Super Bowl, but Shaq was
going to be there. So we were interviewing Shaq, and we'd set
up an IRC chat that you know, this is 99 What could possibly
go wrong? Right.
Like, halfway through what was going on yesterday, I was just
laughing so hard, because this crap was flying everywhere. Go
ahead.
So so the night before we're sitting here with Chris, Jacob,
Nick, God, Chris, we got to get Chris on the show one time he's
been through every podcast war with me. And and so we have the
IRC going and then there's a net split, boom, someone hijacks the
channel, which we've been promoting, which Reebok had you
know, put in their print advertising? So now and there's
this guy going like no, no, I don't want any commercial crap
here on IRC go away. I'm not giving this up. So we had to
coax this guy until like three in the morning. And then
finally, finally, I can't remember what we had to do. But
we finally just got it got control back was like holy crap,
just those kinds of things. You know, you don't think about and
quite honestly. It's really kind of fair that way. You know, when
I remember the first days, I came in with my, even before MTV
calm, but I was MTV guy, on the Usenet groups and people like
eff off commercial aihole like what do you just want to want to
participate in the old dot music conversation now get out of
here. Get sued? Yes. sued Really? In this fair is fair,
it's we came in we ruined a lot. No doubt about it. We made a lot
of great, but we certainly ruined a lot. Yeah, there you
go. So yeah. So I feel I feel that yes, I know exactly how
that went. It's beautiful.
Same thing happened with freedom patroller at the very beginning,
because we were putting that in, this was just the way I work, I
typically will, I just need to get something sort of put
together, it just so that I can begin to have a sense in my head
of what of where the, what the pieces are and how it's going to
fit. And so, like user, input sanitization is fairly low on
the on the priority list, until you actually have something that
you really want to put out there and have people use Yeah, of
course, because, like, it's not that difficult. Now, that's
probably a controversial thing to say. But when it comes to,
you know, the way I do it typically with user input
sanitization is I mean, I just take it, I just strip everything
heavy hands, brought in security policies, I mean, just to, you
know, to the wire to the bare metal, nothing but tax, you
know, that kind of thing. And then all the HTML gone
everything, and then you build back up just enough to get what
you need, you actually build back way
build back better, you build back?
Yeah, yeah. And they just know, you know, not for you to
write for someone else. So you always go back for someone else,
you build back better, only the amount of content that's that
you want to allow. So it's like, you know, whitelisting for, you
know, versus, you know, whitelisting versus by
listening, so you're only allowing the things you block
everything and only allow the thing you want. And so it's not
that it's really not that, not that hard in the grand scheme of
things, as long as you especially if you logs you get
the server side stuff, right? The client side is fairly easy
to lock down. And then I remember when, when I was first
doing putting pieces together and the freedom controller and
that kind of thing, and the partial was working and in the
river was working on his stuff. And like, you know, why am I
seeing random JavaScript execute? on the river homepage?
It was just accident. You know, JavaScript, we'll get into a
feed something Oh,
of course. Yeah, of course, from the blog post, of course. Yeah.
And
there's no name back then there was you know, there's no
namespacing of Java, anything, JavaScript anything so like, all
of a sudden, something would stop working on the page. And I
would go into the console and see this like, such and such as
doesn't have any such object doesn't have this function
attached to it and why yes, it does or was mining because it
was overwritten by something that
was funny. Well, here's a motivating jingle for you for
life beyond your
back. For someone else, it makes me want to have a cup of coffee
doesn't. So we're so what's the status of it? How you feeling
about the the live stuff?
Oh, it's coming. It's coming along. I'm gonna. I'm blowing up
stuff today. So one thing that happened yesterday? Was it
revealed the that it's better to have, and it's probably gonna be
better to split it out. I've got this this unwarranted obsession
with putting everything into a single binary. And I don't know
where it just comes from the way I've always thought. But you
know, we've moved here because of ease of use, like back in the
day, if you wanted to ship something. It was easier if you
just shipped it all packaged? Yeah, one monolithic Sure. Yeah.
But nowadays, I mean, we have things like Docker and stuff
like that.
I'm always so amazed when I watched my Linux Mint update to
a system update. You just watch all these different sources is
pulling from all these different places. And like it's amazing.
This shit works at all.
Did you ever do Linux from scratch? Yes. Yeah, once?
Yes.
Everybody only doesn't want Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. It's like that one small door in the red light
district of Amsterdam. Everyone only goes in there once. That's
it?
Yeah, it's like, Yeah, I don't, I don't really enjoy spending 20
hours compiling binaries from source and it's just not, you
know. But anyway, no, it's good. It's going good. I mean, well, I
think we're gonna switch it to x MPP, which is
Yeah, Alex h has been been pushing for that. Right?
Yeah. You know, that's just jabber. Yes. What that is, but I
mean, the
protocol has been around for what, 20 years? 25 years? Yeah.
So
and that's the kind of stuff you want.
That's exactly what you want to use. Yeah, exactly. So how will,
how will that work? Then? what's the what's the concept? How do
you tie it all together? Does everyone have to have a certain
type of what extra Do you have to have to participate? I guess,
is the question.
That's to be determined, because so the way you want to build
these kinds of things is you want to say, Okay, here are the
pieces. And Alex had a good sort of graphic yesterday, he just
posted a screenshot of YouTube Super Chat. And you've got your
video stream, and you've got your live your live chat, your
live chat over to the side, and then your comments. Oh, right.
And so those are, those are three different things. four
pieces really there. You got your stream, your Super Chat,
your regular chat, and your comments. And then, so what you
want is you want to have a Pete, each one of the pieces defined
so that you can say, here's how you do this, you're going to
want you're going to want to use this for the stream. This for
Super Chat this for chat in the comments.
Right? And you need a kit. The kit Yes. podcaster kit. Okay, so
we'll need obviously streaming stuff for the stream. But what
is just going to be compatible with icecast or something, I
guess.
Yeah, you know, just something OBS, whatever. So yes. There's
lots out there then for
Super Chat as booster grams in the chat now,
that booster gram part you have to figure out how to package it
you you want to know what the transport is? Because the
booster grams or you can get them off your box. But how do
you get them to the client? So you would get them to the you
would get them to the client which
right? Yeah, so you need the piece that brings it in from
your node?
Mm hmm. Yeah, the tray you so the transport for booster grams.
And chat I was thinking before was would be something like g
RPC because it's, it's the most
direct direct connection you can get right in and you can make a
call. Please note
yet.
Help me. I'm drowning. Dave, what's going on?
Now I was thinking about the reason I thought about g RPC.
And this what Alex said he's like, well, how'd you get on the
G RPC tip? And I was like, we know it. It's, it seemed like
the best way to package everything into into a stream.
This is RSR is HTTP two so it feels like once you have the
connection set up it's the most efficient but you know he he had
a good point. He's like well you know, you want to you're still
gonna have to reinvent all this other stuff like authentication
user authentication and identity and all that kind of jazz. So
now I'm thinking if we're gonna go x and p p which already has
all that stuff we just we just Trent use x MPP as the delivery
Mecca transport for the booster grams as well as the chat
right but we but we run that from our server into x MPP.
Yes, we'll have some sort of x MPP back on it's got
it got it. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. That way everyone
can get it.
Yeah, yeah. So and then you'll have activity pub during the
comment streams for the comments. So once you have those
things defined then you can say okay okay app you know
you know Brian of London is sitting listening right now
going I couldn't do that all with Holly
I think he probably already did
all right.
I mean that's this so then you just say here's your here's your
pieces and here's the format's that need to be and then you
have what then you have a spec and so then you can then
everybody can follow that spec nothing I mean it
I'm excited I mean you're building it man so I'm you know
and and people far more qualified than than me certainly
are in there I love Alex is all over this. He has a lot of he
has an awful lot of knowledge.
And we all may sway does for a living you know this
podcast 2.0 consultants we all know this. Yes, he does. Yes, I
know his business card. You can't take that crap away. We
need more we need more nicknames for people with nicknames Well,
we have a Swedish trickler Brian of London I mean that's just
that's his nickname. is his name isn't even Brian is like, you
know is a Josh or something. Who else do we have? Oh, that's.
Well, then we have our private nicknames for everybody. We'll
keep that private.
Yeah. You're saying out loud.
Hey, we were getting some good love out there. On the on the
interwebs. And I have two clips that I wanted to share because
people are picking up and you know, this is so typical of
podcasting. So analogous to podcasting, one point no, how
things just start to pick up and just go and this is a slow
growth business is just what it is. Now, I still think it's
double or triple the speed and the growth that it was the first
time around. But when I hear stuff like, like this, this is
the Lex Friedman podcast and he's talking to Alex gladstein,
who's the chief strategy officer at the Human Rights foundation.
And I want to say it's in almost a second Oslo, the Oslo Freedom
Forum. So I think this is I'm not too big on the human rights
foundation.
Can you tell me what that is? Because I know a lot of Bitcoin
people like the Human Rights Foundation, but I don't know
anything about it. Well, is it like the E FF, or something?
Well, yeah, I mean, it's like, I could do a whole podcast about
the human rights foundation. But there's but but not you. But the
problem is because there's so many places like the real one
that I don't like is human rights. Now. Human Rights now
kind of plays like their human rights foundation. And there's
just a lot of problems. But in general, I think these are
pretty good people. Okay, but honestly, I haven't I haven't
gone in deep enough into them specifically, but anything human
rights dot, dot, dot, I'm always questioning. I just have my
issue. So
well, I said, Well, I think this because it sounds like an NGO,
right? Oh, yes. Well, that's probably exactly what it
is. You think they get government money?
Okay, now let's see human rights foundation. Let's see. If they
got government money. Now. They probably got to afford found
policy. Let's find out how
this works. As swerved you off the road into power elite
analysis
now. Yeah, but you know, it's done. It's all we can. He can't.
There's no turning back. nonprofit organization describes
itself as promoting and protecting human rights globally
focused on closed societies. They organized the Oslo Freedom
Forum. Human Rights Foundation was founded in 2005. Gary cosper
off is the chairman. Now the chess guy Yeah, yes. And believe
me, he loves it when you say that, hey, you're the chess guy.
You're the MTA guy. Precisely. We can't all be the pod sage.
Well, that's true. Anyway,
but regardless, they said something nice about what we're
doing so they're great.
I do know that there's technological solutions that
will allow us to continue to communicate and for creators to
reach their audiences without censorship and that's very
exciting like right now you could be deep platformed from
your you know from like whether it's Patreon or YouTube or
whatever and your your bank account can be closed down
right? There are emerging ways that Adam Curry like the pod
father and a bunch of other people are experimenting with
your the other bunch of people we have your audio podcast
across the middle you know, platforms that you know,
censorship resistant, and then your audience can pay you over
lightning in streaming money, like they can stream your money
as they listen. So you're removing the whole advertising
piece you don't need to do advertising anymore. You have
this direct relationship with your you know, your audience.
And this is possible with something like lightning where
you can just stream money that's censorship resistant. Well,
I like these guys a lot. Yeah, top notch.
Exactly. You know, and whether you're you're fleecing money or
actually helping people doesn't matter. You know what you're
talking about. We love that Yeah, yeah.
I love these guys. I'm a huge support. I
am also huge. We should put 5% split Yeah, into the Human
Rights foundation. We could do that. That's fine. I'm good
there. There are official nonprofit.
Okay, whereas if they don't as long as they don't get
government money, I'm good. Yeah.
I don't think they do actually. Okay. Then the other one, which
was pal of the pod GG.
Ah, yes.
When on the Steven Stefan laverra podcast.
I'm super bullish, for example, on new monetization models that
are currently emerging like the value for value model championed
by Adam Curry and just podcasting 2.0 where you can
stream sets and you know you can you can do if you like something
which is like clapping with your sets, and you can send small
little messages like booster grams, you can just, you know,
set the Satoshi amount you want to stream per minute and you can
support creators directly and I think this will completely
destroy the advertising model or at least change it in a very
meaningful way. And I see this not only for podcasts, but
happening across all media. So for articles as well it will be
very easy to integrate lightning in all those platforms and I
think more and more platforms will integrate lightning you
know, just like we saw Twitter integrated lightning tipping
natively, you know, not not everyone and not not in the
perfect way, you know, like, you know, the bitcoiners are up in
arms that it's not perfect the first time, but I think it will,
it will get perfected over time. And I think more and more
platforms will integrate that.
And what I like most about both these clips is that the star of
the clip is really lightning. And that's and that's good weed
this is this is I think we're really contributing to helping
the lightning network grow. The more people hear about it, the
more nutty booster grams people send, the better gets, the
better it gets. It's really fantastic.
Every tech not every technology needs a kid needs the quote
unquote, killer app to drive it. Yeah. And
we're those Warren of Bitcoin.
The poor? Yes, yes. We should put that as the mission
statement on our iPhone,
I think. No, I think we need a T shirt, his t shirts and mugs.
That's what we need right there. The porn of Bitcoin.
Well, now that we're d platformed. Now that we're not
playing D platform bubble on D punti. platform.
Now that we're uninterruptible
on a yes. Okay, now that we're uninterruptible we can just do
it. We're good. Please print up the shirts.
I brought in a couple clips to make fun of at other people's
expense. Which, you know, I'm good at it. And I like it.
Yes, you're, you're what's called an expert. I'm
very mean, to me, but I'm thinking since it's about face
bag, and they're podcasting, maybe bring in our guests, and
we can have some and he can be complicit. Oh, yeah, let's do
it. Alright, well, we're very pleased to have a developer on
the show, who we've been following from his very
inception into the podcasting 2.0 Arena and not conception
now. Well, we don't know exactly what happened there. But he, he
was immaculate for sure. The developer of the fountain app,
the creator of the first as far as I know, fabulous marketing
promotion of doubling your SATs on every single boost. Ladies
and gentlemen, please welcome to the boardroom. Oscar Mary. Yeah.
Hello, hello.
Oscar as again,
as good as the Oscar of of the 2x match fame. That's that was
us bringing out the big guns with the, you know, tried and
true. We're gonna we're gonna match system love it.
I have to say that blew me away. This is that is exactly the kind
of stuff I love. I know, it's what we need to be doing what
developers need to be thinking of how they could promote stuff.
He was unique. What was the response to it?
Yeah, it was great. And I think it just gives people a bit of a
reminder to, you know, go in and booth. And you know, at the end
of the day is about showing the podcast that you love, that you
care about them, and you want to support them. The interesting
thing as well, is we didn't actually spend any new money on
that we just took the app fees that we got from our 5% and use
that to fund the two for one. So I think that's interesting. Oh,
yeah, just
I love that
I just take the fees that we get, and kind of put them back
out into these little mini markets. I hope to do more.
Did you automate this? Or did you do it manually?
No, it was manual. It was actually I thought it would be a
quick job. He sent over to me about four hours to go through
and manually do it. Oh, no.
Yeah, I was thinking I was in my mind. I was like, oh, how could
you do that? I guess you could do a multiplier you could put
that in there. You could script it in like that probably will
take a lot of extra work. But I loved it. And I know that we I
saw for the for this show. I saw multiple doubles come in. So we
super appreciate it. But let's let's talk about you, man.
You're in London. What the hell do you do? Are you a developer?
I mean, you just you just appeared into our life and we're
happy to have you but you know, we need that backstory here.
Yeah, definitely. So I'm a developer fundamentally. And for
the whole of this year, I guess I was a lurker on the
podcasting. 2.0 seeing, you know, following the show,
listening to very intently and thinking a lot about it, and
yeah, to give a bit of the backstory of fountain. So me and
my business partner, Nick, who's working on something with me, we
already had the app in development and we will focus
more on the clipping functionality. But I was always
you know, I got very lucky and got into bitcoin quite early,
but I've been following Bitcoin Pretty intensely for the past
four or five years. And so when I started hearing about the
value for value spec, I was just like, this is a no brainer.
We've got to do this. And so yeah, as soon as we heard about
that, that became, you know, a core focus for
interesting. So what, what drove you to develop a podcast app in
the first place?
Yeah, good question. I think it was a personal problem of mine,
which is, every time I open up my podcast app, I'd have too
many episodes that I'd love to listen to, but just wouldn't be
able to get to, I wouldn't have time to listen to all the
content that I wanted to. And so it was just experimentation at
the start, which was, you know, how can we make it easier for
people to share the insights from podcast, and like this in
the same way that you guys do, I think you do an amazing job of
bringing clips to the show. And you know, giving people a little
window into what you've been listening to in the week, or
like what you've discovered or like a new insight. And so
that's where the idea of bouncing came from is just
allowing any listener of your podcast to do that as well. So
that was any, but it started out just as an experiment, really,
we were just like, Okay, can we play around and create a UI that
allows you to do that easily, because some other podcast apps
do it. But I think, when you mess up, start messing around
with the start time and end time or the audio wave, it's just a
lot to hold in your head, it's a lot to remember. And so because
we allow clip creation through the transcript, just makes it
easier to, you know, think about it. In a way we have to remember
different things in your head. And
that's really the uniqueness of your clipping system is that
it's based on transcript.
Yeah, exactly. So we create, we transcribe every episode. And we
split the transcription into blocks, which are kind of like
monologues.
I'm not on iOS. So I really don't know unfortunately.
Yeah, so basically, like, think about the average length of this
show, for example, you know, an hour and a half, two hours, if
you go back to it, after the episode, and you want to try and
create a clip. If you do that, just with the start and end time
and the audio wave, it's basically, it's very difficult
to go in and find the bit that you want, in a way version will
actually make sense. But we split the transcript into
blocks, which are kind of like the monologues. So that gives
you an easier way to like browse through the conversation like it
that you want. Now, is that edit that?
Is that is that something that's running on your servers? Or how
is that created is a proprietary the the algorithm that does the
transcription?
No. So right now we're using a commercial service, which is why
for anyone that's used fountaine, we absolutely only do
it on request, because it does cost us to do each
transcription. But I think in the long term, we'd want to,
there's some really great open source models out there that are
like, almost there. So I think to once we like have the time to
have to do this, we'll just set up our own open source
transcripts and energies is that transcript
Would you be able to run to for instance, I have transcripts on
this show, and I create them through otter. So can you take
an SRT file and do that, you know, break it into chunks? Or
is that that's really happening at the encoding level of the or
at the trans transcription level?
Yeah, so we can do that it just depends on the transcript format
and whether we have the timestamps for every single
word. So I think I transcript format that's in podcasting. 2.0
is back just has the transcript split into an image or the right
word for it, but basically sentences Yes, the power word
timestamp, so that when you edit the text, you can remove you
know, parts and we'll just cut that automatically. We
think that's an option. I think that's an option but it will
probably look like shit in the in the podcasting 2.0 app then
in the other ones.
So is that still SRT? is t format, still go down to the
word by word? level?
trying to remember the name of the format and look it up.
I was just thinking because it would be mean it would save it
would save you so much. While processing Yes, yeah, yeah. And
speed it up too. Because you know, when I use a use fountain,
in in my rotation, and so when whenever I'm trying to make a
clip, there's always that that lag that pause there. If you had
a if you had an Episode that already had a transcript in it.
That would be like you could just suck it in and not even
have to do not even have to process it. If, if we can, if we
can do the SRT as a per word, you know that that would just
save you all kinds of time. Yeah, and man, I
think the way to do it, the way I've thought about it is to
create some kind of open source service that does this based on
the open source models out there. So anyone could do this,
or anyone could like integrate this into whether it's the
hosting platform, because the models are out there. It's just
about hooking everything up into a service, so you can actually
use it.
So this, there are decent models now because I've been searching
for this kind of stuff for various projects on and off for
a while. And it always seemed like the the speech to text,
stuff was like there was a few, like poor, open source things
out there. And most of the really high quality stuff was
all proprietary. Has that changed over the last couple
years?
Yeah, definitely. So actually, the start of this year, there
was there's been a few models that have been released, that
really improved the accuracy. Yeah. And that was one of the
reasons why we felt comfortable going with this model of using
the transcript. Because obviously, up front, we were
like, this is never gonna work at scale because of the cost of
using these commercial services. But one of the things that gave
us confidence was the development of these open source
models. So yeah, they are out there. The what the last time I
checked, the one thing that was missing was the actual word
level timings. But they're actually not too difficult. I
mean, I say not too difficult for someone that, you know, has
experience with these models. It's not too difficult to that
on our list to Yeah, to have a go implementing that. But it's a
bit of a
it's a big job. otter does not export time codes by word,
unfortunately.
Yeah, okay. I think I think AWS does,
nods. I switched in a heartbeat. That's no problem. Well, it's
let's let's keep the let's definitely keep this part, this
dialogue going. Because, I mean, if we can make that better. And
if it helps with making clips, I'm sure pod verse would be
interested to
know, if it's a I'm thinking, you know, if you if you had
something like this that would pull in cars like, Well, let me
let me really back and rephrase this. Do you think you're going
to be doing comments or support for that glide cross app
comments? When when we when we sort of get that, you know,
finalized room in in production?
Yeah, definitely 100%.
Okay, because I was just thinking that those, you know,
you could have clips and that kind of thing coming in through
like the car, once you have a comment system, you have all
kinds of things that you can draw from, you know, essentially
your crowd, your crowdsourcing at that point. So then you can
put in, you can start putting things like clip sharing through
the car through the comments.
Example, exactly.
hearing you talk. It's It's interesting, because that that
makes more sense to me why the fountain app when you first
launch it, the clip screen or a sort of clip, timeline feed is,
is where you land first. Because you That was your real main goal
with that was to do discovery through clip clipping.
Yeah, exactly. And I think one of the things that's like being
really fun testing it, is that you get a window into what other
people are listening. But everyone has their core topics
that they enjoy and listen to podcast regularly on. For
example, for me, it's podcasting is Bitcoin. But it's really
interesting to see I get that window into other people's
interest that you're never going to be interested enough to
listen to a podcast on a weekly basis. But that doesn't mean
that you don't get like really great insight or, you know, make
you laugh. Or just by hearing a two minute clip from a random
podcast on a topic that you've never even heard about.
Not not having seen the UI. The certain amount of recent version
is something you could do kind of like SoundCloud used to do
with comments on the timeline with booster grams since the app
would receive presumably a copy of the booster gram with a with
a split. You could put that into the timeline.
Yeah, exactly. We were thinking about this and definitely want
to do something like that. I think it's waiting to see how
the cross app implementation all that kind of goes before
deciding on the UI. But yeah, I mean, that's, that's where it
sounds like everything's going and like you Want to be able to?
Yeah, communicate across app, see what people commented in
what section of the show. And also, like, see what they're
linking in in terms of additional content, like in
exactly the same you guys do on your show? You know, bringing in
a clip from this podcast saying, Hey, here's another perspective
on that is additional information if you're not too
sure about there, so you need to catch up
as you want. You want the user you want the users to be
introducing that?
Yeah, I think so. I think it adds, it adds loads of value if
the user can bring, you know, different perspectives hold more
information.
Totally, totally. So you mentioned your business partner,
Nick, is there any business that you have? I mean, this kind of
development is typically your vow of poverty?
It has been it has been until very recently. That's definitely
the right word poverty. But yeah, we actually recently got a
little bit of funding, which is great.
Congratulations. Congrats. And is it from, from my, from my
Russian friend.
And there's a few people that have been, they've been really,
yeah,
good. Well, I'm glad I'm very happy to hear that. Fantastic.
Congratulations. Remember, remember, the Russians always
want their money back, though. So just just be still just send
your brother round to come and get it? That's cool, man. Okay,
so you're able to move forward? And and is your so your plan is
to continue making money off of the as a part of the value for
value? Or do you have other thoughts about that? Or the
things you're going to do?
Yeah, so the way we monetize is I mean, it's very early. But we
take a 5% be on top of every lightning payment,
you want to shoot? Yes, thank you. I want to ask you, sorry
for interrupting. Because the only as far as I know, the only
other app that takes 5% is breeze, and most others don't.
So I wanted to understand your thinking, why you did it. And
you know, just Yeah, for what reasons? Because I think it's
more than fair, but just want to hear the story.
Yeah, I definitely I think we feel like we're providing a
service. So we think it's fair to, you know, take take a fee.
And then what we do is we actually attached by percent on
top, because we want to maintain the numerology. So if people
like to send a specific boost amount, that won't get affected
and our fee goes on top. But then also, we have a premium
subscription within fountain, which is only 299 a month. So
it's very low. And that will take the fear away. So if you're
not comfortable with the fee, then you can just pay us a very
small amount monthly. And that's the other way that we monitor.
Okay, so it's 5% on top of every SATs and or 299. monthly fee,
and you don't even you don't get the 5% you don't send the 5%
Exactly. Okay, nice. It's a hybrid model. I like it.
Yeah. And I mean, like, I subscribe to the 299 a month
thing it by the way, if any, any app developers I think pod verse
allows, does this cast ematic any, any developer that has
their app, you know, in a store that allows a subscription. And
I think that is a really great idea, because it does give you
some stability, I mean, we're in the early days of, of streaming
value for value. So I mean, a stable source of income, cost
coverage income is is important in our subscribe to all of
those, I think I think everybody should, as I think that I'm glad
to see that you did that. And I subscribed immediately. And I
didn't even never even I never even thought about whether there
was going to be the 5% like an added fee or whatever. On top of
it. I'm just like, you know, I take whatever, take whatever
percentage you want from the boosts. And I'll also subscribe,
like, I mean, I'm fine with both. I think a lot of people
would be fine with both.
Yeah, Interesting. Interesting.
I think so to actually. You'd be surprised, you'd be surprised
what you get when you ask people to just evaluate you for
themselves, right?
I mean, if somebody says, here's the way I look at it, you know,
if somebody cares enough about your app to use it, and and pay
you 299 a month, they probably are already willing to give you
even more than 299 a month. I mean, you know the difference
between 299 a month and 499 a month is really just not even is
not even a thing. So at that point, I don't think they
actually For 5% split really even matters. I mean, it's, it's
cool that you do it. But I mean, I just assumed that you were
still taking a fee on top of it, it didn't bother me at one, one
second at all. I'm sort of a broken record on on trying to
get app developers to at least give people to give people as
many ways as possible to give them more money. And I just
think that it's nothing like I would I would love to have like,
an optional, I don't even know if this is possible in the app
stores, but optional, like me, 299 a month, 599 a month, 999 a
month, you know, if you have 1499 a month, and a bunch of
different options, so that, you know, I can support, you know,
these, these apps with, with as much as possible, I think,
because you're always going to give, you're always there's
always gonna be somebody out there. Who does their 299 a
month is math 1499 a month, or whatever, you know, and you just
never know who that's going to be. That's, that's my fault.
Yeah, no, we definitely need to do a better job on the
monetization. We actually rushed that a little bit, because when
we first submit the app to Apple, we were a bit worried
that we'd get rejected. Yeah. With the with the lightning
payments, because of the strict terms and conditions. So we kind
of put that we put the premium subscription, obviously to make
money but partly to say to Apple, hey, look, we're using
your in app purchases. Leave us alone in this other area.
So far, so good. Yeah, so far,
so good.
Weather, it turned out good. It was good timing for I think some
of these things because, you know, you had the Japan there's
a Japan decision about the app store was that Korea, Korea,
remember? Yeah, Korea, okay, you know, you've had some of these,
these state level decisions about App Store policies that
kind of come down in the last six months to a year. And that's
really, I think, loosened the reins a little bit to allow some
of this stuff to some of these new revenue models, like, you
know, Bitcoin revenue models to, to get through a little bit
easier than they may have illustrious, say five years ago.
Because I mean, at that point, things were still just logged
down as tight as they can be. I mean, I saw yesterday it was a
yesterday or the day before that Google you know, they've dropped
their, their, their percentage split on the App Store from 30
to 15. Across the board, and I mean, like there's there's real
movement of loosening up App Store restrictive policies right
now.
They have to because they see the writing on the wall. I mean,
I'm graphene I'm actually able to get an update right now.
fountain. I'm real happy about that. Because I can't use the
Google Play Store. But yeah, this people routing around them,
like, like, everything always happens. It's just it's nature.
All this shit is just a bug on the internet. We route around
it. Yeah. Now it hurts. hurts when they do nasty stuff. So
yeah, would you
do good you do live chat support to? Or would you just support
comments? Like, what do you what do you think would fit your your
app?
Yeah, I think we want to support everything where possible, or at
least, you know, test it out. I think the lie both the live tag
and cross that comments are really exciting. And I think if
you can tie them together as well, you know, podcasters are
already doing this. They're just using other platforms to do it.
So and now have you know, I've seen podcast doing it, where
they'll have a live stream on YouTube, the live stream on
Twitter, the live stream on Twitch? Right, and you have
essentially, three chat rooms. And, you know, no unified
comment. So I think they're very much linked. And yeah,
definitely, we want to support both of
them. That's cool.
I want to go I want to go back to your your promotion that you
did. I mean, from your side, did you get I don't know what metric
you were using. Were you using metrics to see more people
downloading the app or just usage of booster grams? What was
the metric and how that performed for you?
Yeah, I think it was definitely really it definitely gave us a
boost in the numbers. I think it was, I think the biggest
challenge we've seen which is to do this as well is people that
either one already know about Bitcoin and lightning and know
how it kind of works or two are incredibly interested and
invested in trying out New Tech, they're able to onboard to
lightning, talk about their fountain wallet and support
podcast. But the difficulty is your average person that's never
heard of Bitcoin, it's very difficult for them to, of
course, talk about their wallet on fountain. And so we saw this
with the promotion, it was mostly people that were already
supporting, kind of like, increasing their support. And so
we definitely got a lift, but it was from existing people that
had on boarded, I think, when this is really going to, you
know, grow is when we can go and talk to a random person on the
street and say, hey, check out this app, and you can instantly
have Bitcoin on the lightning network. That's the biggest
challenge. And I'm still unclear on exactly how that's gonna
happen. Because the way I think about it, as well as every app
that's on your home screen right now, is going to either be
replaced, or is going to integrate lightning into it. So
this is not, I think, just the problem that we're facing as a
podcast app, or even podcasting 2.0 every app is going to need
some kind of on ramp into lightning. And so I think it
will be so I think it will be solved, I think it may be solved
by like a party infrastructure provider, like strike have
announced an API. So it would be interesting to see what they do
there. But yeah, that's the biggest challenge. We see.
What are you recommending people currently view users?
Yeah, so blue wallet is the one we recommend two reasons. One is
just a really great user interface, really clean and
intuitive. And, two, they have the ability to buy bitcoin with
a debit or credit card within the app removed pay. That's the
easiest way to do it. We're actually in the process of
writing like a guide, because we do need to do better than that.
But yeah, blue wallet and the moon pain integration is great.
Yeah, like blue, white, a lot. A lot has a lot of fun features
you can play with multisig wallets, and all this stuff,
secret wallets with separate passwords.
Yeah, I think I think five years that that's my gut feeling it
says this sometime, you know, within, by the end of five
years, there's going to be a more seamless onboarding.
Infrastructure available, whether it's strike or, or
whoever it is, through the, you know, that you can hook in? And
do you know, and just do those conversions directly, just kind
of like the same as you would with a stripe with a p stripe
API. I feel like that's going to exist. And the, you know, I
think the maybe the thing that people don't understand about
strike is that and I've been trying to express this is that
the, the way that they've avoided the whole issue with
exchange with the exchange stuff exchanging Fiat for for Bitcoin,
is by maintaining your your money, as the state as the coin,
that you as the Fiat in the Fiat dollar amount until right at the
time that you transfer it. So when you're not, it's not like
going on to a Bitcoin exchange and buying a bunch of Bitcoin.
And now your money, it gets converted, when you buy it, you
deposit the money into your strike account. And then when
you go to top up a wallet or do a transfer, then it gets
converted into bitcoin. So there's no, there's no the
complication of whether you had a gain or a loss or that kind of
thing that that's it takes a lot of that away. And that's, that's
really the only way this stuff gets solved. When you're talking
about converting, you know, back and forth.
I'll take your five years. And I will say within three years, you
will be able to send SATs directly to your wallet from
your bank account.
Oh, well, okay. I gotta write that now.
Please. Put it in the we can't have a red book. No, it's on
legal pad, this yellow yellow legal pad, whereas the yellow
legal pad,
Adam, three years. All right. We get we get this.
You want to wait. You want to get in on this Oscar, you want
to get on this action?
Yeah. Okay. And on this, I'll go for two years. Oh,
and what's the mechanism?
The mechanism will be Yeah, I think similar to what Dave said,
it will be through your your bank app. I think it will be
instant transfer.
Consider that the fact that he agreed with me I consider a
moral victory. Wait a minute.
He was agreeing with me. He said Dave, but he meant me because he
said your banker will do it.
Oscar is a politician. He knows how to split the difference
horrible,
but and by the way, what's this with the deeds You name Oscar
Mary. Is this your Is this your birth name?
The DJ name? Yes. My birth name. Yeah,
that's fantastic man like everybody is asking Mary in the
morning when
you think I should start a show?
With this exactly. With your with your one air pod. It sounds
great. Don't worry. The show will be fantastic. Actually, I'm
quite impressed with the one ear pod. It's it's pretty decent for
what it is.
Everybody knows I mean every podcaster will tell you if you
ask them. Should I start a podcast? The answer is always
unequivocably. Yes, of
course. Of course you should talk about Hey, should we have a
little fun here?
How's it like fun? Let's do
all right. So the new media show this was this was a shockwaves
throughout podcasting, Facebook s everyone was reporting on the
interview. It's the Facebook interview. Tim, Tim, Tim, Tim
Tim.
Within podcasting. It was like the Harry and Megan interview.
Yes. And Todd and Todd was Oprah. Rob was there to rob was
like, Gail. I don't know if you follow any of this Oscar, if at
all, you know, we're even talking about here. Yeah, yeah.
Follow that. Okay. So now, first of all, because I listened to
whole does the whole show. And, you know, it was promoted on pod
news and podcast Business Journal. And it was it was
really build the bed build as the Facebook interview. So I'm
like, okay, I want to eat what's Facebook doing. And so, so is
the Facebook team, who were on the new media show. And I have,
of course, that what we discuss here is nothing personal has
nothing to do with the Facebook team has nothing to do with Rob
and Todd. But I just have to make fun of a couple of
things. So I didn't hear this interview at all lucky pro
clips. I have not heard this.
Right. So this is so the idea is Facebook is supporting
podcasting or integrating podcasting. And we really don't
know what that is or what it means. And so this was the
interview, I believe, where we would try and we would we would
learn about it, we understand what is really going on. And by
the way, this is not an interview. This was an ad I'm
sorry to say it. But when when the P both people who are
interviewing the the guests are under NDA with their company,
it's not really an interview. But okay, I digress. I think
I'll just say bottom line, consciously, subconsciously,
whatever it is, both Lipson and blueberry really want to do
everything they can to do everything to make sure that
they're connected into this with Facebook, so they can hopefully
get acquired. And I know that to be a fact because if I was them,
that's what I'd want to do. So I understand doesn't mean you can
escape scorn. So let's listen to the Silicon Valley team, because
that's exactly what this is Silicon Valley speak. And I'll
have to translate once in a while as to what is actually
being said,
what do they say? Do they say, right? Oh, you better
believe it, of course, if you will. So we'll just start with a
quick little intro clip just to get to get you ready.
Definitely learning as we go, we're absolutely paying close
attention to the data, how users are using our product, what
learnings we can really nail down where we are, so that as we
expand again, intentionality is the name of the game here.
Just want you to know again, intentionality is the name of
what learnings what learning learnings. But intentionality is
the name of the game. And I want to change our branding to
reflect that as well.
intentionality is the name of the game here. And so we're
really, really making sure that we're going to do right by our
full size ecosystem, our podcast readers and our users.
Okay, I just have this this is why I got ticked off right in
the beginning. When someone from facebook comes in and says our
podcast creators.
They don't have podcasts. They don't have
podcast creators. It's not your podcast creators. And I'm sorry,
I hate the creator word creator. Dave, what are your thoughts?
I think the math my first thought is that Facebook and
their audio is terrible.
Thank you for a podcast a team that your audio sucks. Exactly.
Yeah, I mean, Facebook literally has been, you know, $100 billion
in the bank. I think that gets this could pony up for a couple
of
mics. lav mic at least Yes. Good points are good point. Yes.
Yeah. And I'm not heard a lot of verbs turned into excuse me
nouns turned into verbs yet.
Okay. Cool creator Oscar, any comments so far?
Yeah, I would say with Facebook, I just think how can you try and
fit that much Scope into one app, people open up to do one
thing. And with Facebook, they have basically every digital
action under the sun in one app, and I just don't see how that's
ever going to work. So that's my view there.
iTunes or social media.
I mean, it's yes is the newsfeed is family updates. It's the
news. It's the newspapers, podcasting is video,
marketplace, Craigslist and marketplace. The metaverse think
it's the metaverse is something that you can do online, and
there's probably a button somewhere in Facebook that lets
you do it. It's just confusing.
So the number one thing, apparently what all podcasters
want, what all podcasters want, from a platform, because that's
what Facebook is. And that's what that's why we're all
excited because we all want our stuff to be on Facebook. You see
this is this is where the action is because they have 1.7 billion
users. So we're hypnotise is. We all want metrics. Are you going
to give us some metrics, we'll be able to see what's going on?
Well, we have a feedback loop like podcasting. 2.0 has with
streaming sets and stuff, I don't know, just thought,
let me ask a really important question.
By the way, this is a really important question. And it's
because Rob said,
so let me ask a really important question, too. And this really
relates to metrics. What are you guys doing on that side to
support podcasters? Knowing how many people are actually
listening to content through Facebook?
This is like the number one thing you would want I would
think, to be able to show the podcast or something that you
know how it's performing on the platform, don't use
it, can I can I cannot predict what their what the metric is
their what their answer is. Yeah. They are going to hook
into their existing that they have no download stats. I mean,
we already know I mean, they can't have that right as
possible. So they're going to get their metrics are going to
be engagement, based on traditional Facebook. Ad sale
pipeline. Good guess. Yeah, good. The only thing I mean,
it's only thing they have that's because, yeah, well, they're
gonna shoehorn this, they're gonna shoehorn this stuff into
their existing, their existing whatever you call that stuff,
demographic pipeline sales.
Right. But are you as a podcast are going to see that?
I would think No, because it's completely irrelevant. Exactly.
Yes. This is
top top top of mine. Oh, it's top top top top of mind. Sure.
And thinking about metrics and how we can help podcasters be
armed with data to understand what's listening behavior
looking like on Facebook? We don't have a strict timeline on
this. Yes, I know that we are actively thinking about this
right now. And for now, we just encourage using the insights
that you get from your hosting provider. Oh, that said, very
aware of that. I think we can provide additional color around
the columns or just like listening behavior as well as to
trying to figure out what that looks like for us and how we can
create value.
The answer is no, you're not going to get anything because we
are taking from you. We are taking the people who are your
audience, we're taking their information and folding that
into our sales pipeline. Exactly. Dave podsafe strikes
again.
They're not your they're not your Facebook's Facebook's not
your partner, not your user.
No, no, they're Facebook's Facebook. Yes. Yeah. Make sure
you understand this. Now, Oscar, anything you want to say?
No, I think he's covered it well.
Asked like, Man, these guys are mean. All right. Now we had a
part of the advertisement the infomercial where we had
questions from the listeners. And once you know, it is another
very important question.
We did have a YouTube question come in says why is the face Why
is Facebook interested in podcast? is a team thinking
about hosting podcasts on Facebook's own servers? Ooh,
that's a big question.
Yeah, so Ooh, why is it a big question a, because if Facebook
is going to host podcast on their platform, they're taking
away Todd and Rob's business, or B. Or be Oh, we can get
acquired. Ooh, why would you build something all over again,
when you could buy us? I'm just being
mean, do you want to split that one?
They couldn't. They couldn't even answer that. Oh, you want
to split that one? on
servers? Oh, that's a big question.
Do you want to split that one?
Yeah, I can. I can dive in a little bit to kind of like what
got us here because I mean, like, we've definitely talked
about the podcast industry. It's pretty well established.
come from Silicon Valley speak you will not believe
there definitely are some some key stronger players but you
know, like you said there are maybe eight that are you know,
cracking the 1%. And that's primarily on like consumption
and directory type of type of spaces as opposed to really kind
of connecting the, the social angle, but we know people
Okay, stop, stop, stop, stop. What did she say?
Is she okay, so what was she saying?
I feel like she's talking about us.
Well, no, what? Oh, no, no, no. And by the way, not a single
podcasting two point out question in the entire
interview, even though they're planning on doing clips, listen
up, Oscar. They're doing clips. And they're going to do
transcripts, but it's going to be their own thing. It's not
going to integrate with anything. They're doing their
own. That at least that's all we can believe. Because there were
no questions were asked because it's an ad.
Because, yeah, because she said she said there's bigger,
potentially bigger players, but she's saying that
she's saying there's eight, eight players that are in the
top 1% I had to listen to it a couple times myself so I can
help you.
Okay, maybe that's where I get tripped up. Alright, so
Apple, Spotify. Google, maybe Amazon, you know, and then
directory wise. I don't think we fit in there in there. 1% that I
don't think they see us.
Yeah, I thought she was saying that there's some then there's
some plus smaller also RANS like the nice and directories like
podcast index. Oh, less than 1%
Oh, yeah. No, we're pieces of shit in her mind. Absolutely.
Yeah. And very, very, very unimportant. But, you know, she
knows, you know, they studied the podcasting industry. So they
know we all know,
they're definitely are some some to stronger players. But you
know, like you said, there are maybe eight that are, you know,
cracking the 1%. And that's primarily on like consumption
and directory type of type of spaces, as opposed to really
kind of connecting the, the social angle, but we know people
forget about podcasts, we know that it's very personal to
people. And we know you're like looking at Facebook.
What does that have to do with anything about hosts? It's very
personal. It's very personal.
We have 170 plus million people connected just to podcast.
Okay, here's where everyone got boners Oh, what 170 million
connected just to podcast pages? Oh, no,
is now. And that's over a couple 100,000 podcasts pages, not even
getting into like the fan groups and the different podcast show
groups that also exist where we see a ton of really deep
engagement and also a lot more activity than comparing to a lot
of the other group types. Right? Right. And so that's where we
don't necessarily just want to become a consumption player.
That's not really like there are a bunch of those out there. They
don't want to be a consumption player. That's all they are yet,
but they don't want to be that they don't want to she's telling
you. They don't want to be a consult. What do you think you
can ask her? What do you think? consumption? What she call it,
Dave? consumption action player consumption player is are you a
consumption player?
Yes, we are consumption play. Yeah, in her mind, I think
Facebook just seems to be a bit confused, because I don't think
they know what they want to be. And I don't think anyone else
knows what they're supposed to be either. And I think you know,
think about how use App, when you want to listen to a podcast,
maybe you're going for a walk or a drive or you're doing the
washing up or just the task where you want to listen, you're
not you open your podcast app to do that. When you want to check
your email you open your email app to do that when you want to
check your messages you open your messaging app when you want
to and the list goes on when you want to read the news you open
your news app you know I don't see how Facebook fits into that
natural way of doing things and you have everything
you're so right about this because and I think I just have
the the wisdom of age here because we had America Online
which was exactly what Facebook was it had your all your stuff
in there it had your marketplace it had your email and had your
your bulletin boards whatever they called it, it had your sexy
chat, you know, all this stuff was there. And then people
wanted the internet and then they got a browser and they
never looked back in America Online became a dial up provider
almost overnight. And it tanked to you know, the one of the
largest corporations in history at the time. It was such a dumb
decision. And so what's happened is, you know, now we have this
reversal where one company has tried to suck it all back in,
which obviously makes for a much more compelling case. For you
know, to keep apps like WhatsApp separated, I think that's that's
Actually why it's WhatsApp is so successful still. But
ultimately, when it comes to product, it's a lot more
exciting I think for, for users in general. But for everybody
tunes, it's like, okay, a mail product, well, there's a million
different email programs, it's a lot more exciting. And in the
open source world, we can actually as users had to have
influence on the end product.
It makes It's worse than Spotify. But it mean, everybody
thinks that Spotify is not a great app experience. And part
of the reason for that is the fact that they have when you get
just like Oscar said, when you go into look to listen to a
podcast, you don't want to have to go into an app and then go
find podcasts. Right? That's the worst. Okay, now, where are
where do I go to get podcasts? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that in and
that's bad enough in Spotify, when they only have music and
podcasts. Imagine going into an app that has 12 different things
that you can go through and trying to go through and
navigate through there. It's, it's not a good consumption
player experience.
Consumption player. Anyway, I'm sorry. They do
not. She said she didn't want to be that anyway. Yeah, so they're
not interested
in a consumption player. Well, I guess all your podcasts belong
to us then.
Right. And so that's where we don't necessarily just want to
become a consumption player that's not really like there are
a bunch of those out there. We really really want to do those,
you know, combine the monetization which can also be
the hosting and also the discovery and also just
providing opportunities for people to connect with other
fans that are interested in that particular show or that
particular niche topic that none of your other IRL friends are
actually listening to
your IRL friends. who still says that AFK Oh OMG
fans, they're interested in that particular show or that
particular niche topic that none of your other IRL friends are
actually listening to. And that's really where we can can
differentiate especially on the listener side and then just
looking at the sheer volumes and obviously our platform what we
can do in terms of distribution and reach, helping you know,
bigger creators and smaller creators, you know, better
engaged with
bigger creators and smaller creators Attention Attention,
red flag, red flag, that means they don't care at all about
you. They want bigger creators like Joe Budden, that's, that's
they've, they've paid Joe Budden to come on board it's so
transparent, of course, and there's another one is Joe
Budden. And another one I
forget what it is alright this is my let me predict for
14 seconds last
you know bigger creators and smaller creators you know better
engaged with their their existing followers but also
introducing new audiences to these these shows is really
where we think that we can deliver value so super, super
excited about super super excited
for what
we can do.
Oh, Dave, I'm super super excited. About what about
whatever you're gonna say I'm just want to be super super
excited. Everyone seems to be super super excited.
I'm super super, super excited about this prediction, which is
that they will go after they're gonna go after the exact same
Model Model A Spotify? Yeah,
I think you're right.
They're gonna hit. They're just so everybody's luck. This is
what's happening. Everybody's locking up big podcasters
they're going because that's where, you know, 90% of the
podcasting money is it's in Joe Rogan Joe Budden. Well
they'll or they'll have they'll have to buy a podcasting host
and I pray to God I know right Oh, no, no. Yes, they have to
that's the model that's what that's
not Spotify model they you can't get they don't need a host for
Joe Rogan. You come to their app, but they
bought a host. Yeah, they bought a host but
it's a redheaded stepchild that they that's
but that's my point. They're stupid. So they're gonna do the
same thing. She says we're gonna be in hosting. They're gonna buy
one and I hope I hope it's Lipson and blueberry. I really
do. I want those guys to be rich. So they can put it into
satoshis and stream that shit. boost me bitch.
They deserve it. They've been they've been around a long Yes,
they do.
The who's the who's the ugly red headed stepchild. These guys
need to be acquired.
Yeah, they do acquire libery they did CRO.
We'll call it called libery. bluesun bluesun is also
interesting. I like bluesun
they need I mean, Hawaii is expensive. tinies
he doesn't live in Hawaii. He did you know he did? Yeah, but
he's in Ohio. I think it's in Ohio. Yes, yeah. Minnesota,
Michigan, Michigan, Michigan. Okay. Yeah, he's Austin.
Actually. He's he said he's gonna be in Austin. I Like I
just have dinner. Dude, I live 90 miles out now it's like,
oh, no, yeah, you
need a little more time. Yeah, I need a little more time. No,
this,
this is the problem. And this is why we mock all these huge
companies that come into this ticket to the podcasting world
is because they, they come in, they barely understand it. And
all they want to do is make money and take away their
they're gonna come come in and immediately compete with
everybody, and make everybody mad.
Yeah, swing their dig around going, boring boy, yeah,
yeah, they're gonna compete with the hosting companies, they're
going to compete with the app developers like Oscar, they're
going to compete, they're going to compete with everybody. And
this
is the for all they know how to do. And this is the Forward
Operating Base team who's going out there to make nice with
everybody.
Yeah. I mean, immediately from the moment you step your foot in
the door that everybody hates you.
Yeah. All right. So then this is, this last clip is for you,
Oscar. Because, you know, you, you may want to consider
monetizing through face bag, because, you know, they got
plans, you know, screw this lightning stuff
to their any part of your strategy that or at least that
you can talk about this point that has anything to do with
monetization? Yeah.
Yeah. So I mean, one of the,
she said, yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is this is the what this is what you do when you're not sure
how much you want to say? Yeah. Yeah.
So I mean, one of the kind of the way that we're kind of
looking at podcasts, kind of long term is really just
creating this holistic experience where we are being
able to connect.
Okay, the only other person who I've accepted holistic
experience from as you you said,
They stole our word, Yes, they did. That, that is some
douchebaggery.
Think your words literally stole those are words you wrote, If I
recall,
I will claim will feel violated,
we're kind of looking at podcasts kind of long term is
really just creating this holistic experience where we are
connected for the users, the discovery and the consumption.
And then for the creators, the description, distribution, the
monetization, and ultimately, the creating of that community,
or that social connection, kind of providing that.
Wait a minute, she's providing a 360 baby. We're getting
monetization, we're getting socialization, we're getting
hydro Fanta causation, and it's a 360 61, more time II
and the consumption. And then for the creators, the
description, distribution and the monetization, and
ultimately, the creating of that community, or that social
connection, kind of providing that kind of engagement model.
It's a 360 kind of engagement model
is the 360 just like the full circle is trying to say let's
talk
to our expert. Let's talk to talk to our expert Oscar. What
are your thoughts about the 360 engagement model?
I don't know what are three things
are not suitable for Facebook this
year you're not gonna make any money on Facebook only a little
more torture
Oscar hanging up.
Nothing specific. And I know arena will probably be back to
but nothing specific that we're looking to announce about
monetization was one of the key pieces of the the creator value
that we're looking to, to get into because what's really
important for us is to of course support the vendor partners and
the more established media companies and things like that,
but also everyday creators.
Oh, there it is here. So of course we know we are going to
support the big news organizations. But of course we
care about the everyday create us what kind of creator you Dave
and everyday creator,
and every Friday creator.
Course Support, the bigger partners and the more
established media companies like that, but also the everyday
creators, especially during COVID, we started to see so many
people creating new podcasts and ultimately, we know that Wow,
wow, did you hear about that Dave?
heard a bit about that during
COVID like a whole bunch of people started podcasting.
Yeah, and they're all on anchor, and they all make $0.
And ultimately, we know that podcasts, probably more so than
other media types are so personal to people, and so able
to provide that connection model for some of the newer niche
everyday creators and to continue providing this content
out to their users. The monetization is a big part of
that.
So yes, and no, nothing I can say but yes, and it's going to
be for the next.
Next, so many people are going to get screwed. What was this
deal? What was that neck again,
able to provide that connection model for some of the newer
niche everyday creator newer
niche, everyday creators. That's who you are people that's that's
how they view you as a newer, niche, everyday creator. So just
had to be sad.
That's disappointing.
It is disappointing and you know, we learned nothing the
whole interview nothing, I really didn't learn anything
other than the other doing stuff.
Yeah, everybody's, they're gonna they're gonna come in and
everybody's gonna hate him just Yeah, he's part of the
Oscar, what can we do to make your life easier, better or more
bountiful?
I think one thing that we could maybe do because as I said
previously, the biggest problem we have is for the average
person on the street who's never heard of Bitcoin, or lightning,
how can we get them some stats in their wallet when they first
open fountain I was thinking maybe if you guys are up for it,
what we could do is we'll create a wallet but in the spirit of
today's show, and then all this apps that we get from that
split, we put in a little pot somewhere and then we just put
1000 SATs in every new users wallet so that they have
something to start supporting podcasts because that's one of
the things you've noticed as well is that once people start
they will continue so that's something we could do if you're
up for
Dave I'm good with it you
i think is a fantastic idea we don't
we don't we don't have Eric here to ask but I'm sure he'd be okay
with it. Yeah, like I love this
idea of putting in Should we do that as a permanent thing have a
permanent false
well this is this is very similar to what we were talking
about several weeks ago it's like how do we get money into
how do we have a pot and you know not just for fountain
preferably but for all developers so that they can you
know, handout podcast apps with you know prefilled with as you
say 1000 sites you know and and set the default at 10 and let
them boost you know something although it's not really enough
for booster gram
cuz you know, I like this I like this idea this
will do this and we'll do that we'll Yeah, of course we will be
happy to do that and made and yeah, of course, of course and
but I think we should continue to look at a community type
function here. You know what I mean? Yeah, something everyone
could could take part in because I want people to be able to try
pod friend and Curio caster and you also with a couple sets in
there.
Well, I like the idea of some sort of a wallet that forwards
to other wallets. Maybe this is this is more of a second second
step aspirational think taking that idea of having a false of
having like a wallet that you're going to fund other wallets
with. So then like everybody could put in Okay, a lot of
people are putting in humans right human rights foundation.
As like a 5% split or something. We could have a wallet where the
the SATs hit the wallet and immediately go out to another
wallet in get split out into a wallet at fountain a wallet, pod
friend, a wallet at pod verse a wallet a cast Matic wallet
carrier caster, is they they go out talk all the other way.
here's here's
like, Alright, here's how it works. See what I'm saying?
Yeah, but I think we make it simpler. So we have the wallet
that that takes contributions from apps, podcasts, whatever.
And then we run a cron job and we split up you know a
percentage and ship it off. That's going to be the easiest
way to do it.
And it's just like a it's like a forwarder
Yeah, but but of course it won't really forward but you know,
just run a just run a cron to send it off to the sheet. I
don't know. Is it built yet? Can you just figure it out and build
it? Oscar Have you have you have you scripted it yet? Is it done?
I don't think it will take long. And also the podcasters can do
this as well.
Totally. And that's a beautiful idea. The whole thing. I'm
loving it.
Yeah, because especially you know, some of the bigger Bitcoin
podcasts that are out there. Essentially, this is huge, you
know, it's, it's a way to onboard new people to become a
Bitcoin Of course it is. They take 5% of all of the SATs that
they're getting, and just send them straight off to new users
that have never heard of Bitcoin are completely new to Bitcoin,
you know, that's beneficial to the whole space. So yeah, I
think this would work really well.
All right, a lightning podcasting charity fund.
Yeah, we need a name for it. Yeah,
the lpcs I just named it.
Wait, let me write it down. What is it again? That?
No, it's the lightning podcast charity fund.
Lightning. charity. Fun. Yeah. LPC? I'm liking it.
I'm resisting, calling it a slush fund.
That's a sad slush fund.
Yeah. Yeah, the SSF. Speaking of speaking to SAS, yeah,
we should, we should probably thank a couple people who have
supported this value for value project, not just the podcast,
but the whole shebang, which will include the SATs will now
be handing out to it's like communism, is what we are, we're
like a bunch of commies over here, handing out SATs to
everybody, which somehow fits beautifully in the Bitcoin
ethos, which is very attractive. So your support goes toward
that, and gore's goes towards supporting all the servers. And,
and really keeping everything moving forward. And it's
extremely appreciated. We do take your fee at fun coupons at
podcast index.org. The bottom there's a donate red Donate
button that goes through PayPal credit cards accepted. But of
course, we'd love to get our streaming SATs per minute SATs
and our boosts and booster grams. And, and as part of the
value for value system, we like to feed back to you with the
notes you sent us and and some of the some of the support that
we received.
The first guy that we got on board here is Marco arment
coming in, he comes in almost every month with $500.
Thank you, Marco.
I wanted to say something about this because he I want people to
understand what he's doing here. He if you think he's a
successful app developer, who is one of the few that is actually
making a living a sustainable income, living income off of a
podcast app. And what he's doing is he's donating back to us
every month. And in order to keep our servers running, so
that we can reduce the financial burden on other podcast app
developers, by them not having to run their own servers. So
what he's doing is he's using his success in the podcast app
world to subsidize or help smaller app, podcast app
developers come on board. I mean, it's it's very, it's very
ecumenical thing that he's doing here. Because, I mean, he's
essentially funding people who may end up one day being a
competitor to
him. But he, but he knows he's learned, because he's been doing
this for a long time. He knows that this is how it works better
this way, much better.
And it's a it's an example of competing on the competing on
features and quality. Instead of competing on
lock lock in or law. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. We really appreciate
it. Marco.
Yes. Thank you very much.
We'll just call that a boost. Even though it isn't.
It's a
fun coupon. Fun coupon boost? Yes.
Marco. kimmerer send us $50 and he says, sad puppy. Take my Thea
fun coupons. Lester was still worth something. Michael kimmer
homeless was shown the homeless Yeah, Snowmageddon? That's hard
to say. This is from Alabama. I can't say this. Okay, so drips
got this is this is a booster gram. Okay. It's so big that I
put it into the into the paper stack. What? It is 100,000 now
it's 100,000 SATs that's deserving of the off the top of
the stack there. He says Dred Scott said Can I get a birthday
shout out for lady Lulu. The voice of you've been
defragmented
is he? Is he not? Uh, I mean, we didn't really do the big baller
boost. Yeah, so but this is this is the big baller boost of the
day.
That is the big baller boost of the day, although we do have
some errata coming Well I'm gonna
give it to 20 as blades on ambala boost my big boss
is lady Lulu turns five today she got missed in the in a
birthday segment yesterday.
Oh no.
Check out the drip, drip mobile in the last week's chapter art
just kidding go podcasting.
Go podcast and the podcast. Are you sure she got forgotten? I
feel horrible about that.
No, y'all don't care about drip on na. Every week.
What do you mean we kidding? You're such a douche? No, we
care very much. And I remember because he sent in a note
specifically congratulating her so and it was in yellow. So how
that could not be.
No, it was in yellow and you still forgot it?
Well, I don't forget things Dave. Oh, was Eric's bro. Does
Eric problem? Yes, exactly.
Let's blame Eric. He's not here.
No, don't because it's, it's it's messed up when it's not his
fault.
Now I'm just getting married. I love you, man. As he blueberry,
he sent 1000 SATs in last week, and I'm still trying to find eye
contact. I'm just go ahead and credit him with 1000 SATs. That
was from last week. Thank you very much. He's trying to help
me out. And so this is another follow up from last week. Who
was it? Somebody sent in? I think it was anonymous and said,
How many SATs are flowing through the system? on the
daily? Do you remember that question? From what
I remember the question? Yeah, I don't think we you were going to
get an answer.
Yes. And I have an answer. And I think Oscar, you may be
interested to hear this. And you may, you may be able to
anecdotally back me up on these on this number. So 22 days, or
21, full days into the month of October, there were 1,977,447
SATs that came through the index node says 94,000 SATs per day.
And if we take a mark, it's not a it's not exactly a 1%.
Because sometimes it's 10%
Yeah, because of because of the ways mostly Sphinx because of
the way they split things. So I'm just gonna take a margin of
error and say 10% just to be on the safe side of edit at 10%.
You're looking at a million sets a day flowing through
podcasting, a big one podcasting. Does that sound
feasible to you? Oscar?
Yeah, definitely. That sounds feasible, based
on what you're saying?
Yeah, I would say I think, I mean, we see this in all of the
the biggest boosts that we've seen have all been for the
podcasting 2.0 podcast. So that's why
they should be Yes, correct. Correct.
Yeah. So that's one thing to take into account, which might
push that percentage, a little bit higher. So that's Yeah, so
we're talking thing it's feasible.
We're talking $600 a day.
Yeah. flowing through podcasting. Yep. That's that's
pretty darn good.
Facebook just fell down this day, the Facebook.
Let's name cranking the server's up.
That's right. We'll crush them. podcasting. 3.0 we have here
let's see who's this? Oh, run of London says last boost before
the new show. 3333 sets today thank
you very much Brian.
Boost. See, some guitar says he gave 500 Sasa says booster Bama
baby DAD DAD DAD the ad UD he says taking advantage of the two
for one boost and fountain Love you guys. Yes.
And how many do we get 10,000 sets?
Yeah, I
saw that one double I saw a couple of 10,000 double thanks
Oscar.
And he says event taking advantage of the two for one
boosts and fountain love you guys cranberries will be on the
way soon as I figure out where to send them.
Okay. Oh, I sent him our address. Oh, yeah. Did you Did
you see the cuz I guess it was this on the social. They're like
how many cranberries do you have? And he's showed a picture.
Oh, no, it's like a football field. Totally. But just a
little bit for two people will be fine. Thanks. I guess they're
professional. Like big cranberry guys.
Yeah, if Maybe I'll send some cranberries to Oscar they might
arrive in the mail decrepid and disgusting but
before I forget, could you email me your your node ID?
Yeah, Bodie.
Do you have a full node or do you have an lm pay with a custom
key and all that stuff?
Well I think we'll do it with an LMP custom key just so that we
can set up yeah just so we just put this split yeah through to
new users a new wallet then we'll do that yeah, but I think
it was laid out that way.
Yeah, so just whatever you have email me ASAP so that I could do
the lmnop when I when I published because I want to have
it oh how that happened that was spontaneous boosted sorry cuz I
want to put because I published the feed I want to put it in
right away
Yeah, I'll do that now. Okay, cool.
See sir bills in is to boost grants for 5000 SATs each night
both a two for one boost from fountain boost. Here's your cue
to boost you know you want to that's 10,000 SATs Thank you sir
bill beautiful hardhat set 2222 SATs pike in his notes as
podcasting tos that came through Curio caster Thank you harpa see
in V 4x send us 3373 SAS through Curio caster and says thank you
very courage and 73 7070
threes
in for VX
Quito five alpha Charlie Charlie
Thank you envy for x see who got oh this is from this is from
Daniel in he says he sent us 15,000 sets through fountain
baja he's doubled do we get the doubled did we get it on the
promotion?
It's only up to 10,000 I think so.
Oh there was a cap I didn't know he was a cap Bhaskar
10,000 cap
Yeah, that was the cap just in case someone pushy. Come on man.
He was afraid dread was going to drop like oh my god we don't
have a lightning channel anymore. What just happened?
Exactly
That's funny.
So Daniel and say send us 15,000 SAS he says to build Prague.
Speak for yourself. I plan on continuing the petty corrective
booster grams
ah Good. Good. Good. Good. We
like this. Yes. Yes. more of that. More arguments please.
overboost agree Yeah.
And feel free to continue to argue once we have the live
stuff up you know, you can just be on that page arguing with
booster grams all day long. We're okay with it.
Yeah, and changing everybody's font to Comic Sans. There's 1000
SATs from v. v. He says hello honorable gent. Gentlemen, your
efforts regarding the second incarnation of the art of
podcasting are the most delightfully above the average.
I shall Wish you will continue your good work and have the best
of luck while doing so. It has been very entertaining to follow
along. Thank you. Thank you very cool. What a pleasantly formal
note that was
less formal but it was good. Yes.
Mr. Graham from anonymous from Northern Virginia says my first
boost to go podcasting that was a stack of one's 11,111 SATs
through
just going nuts here.
You fell on the on the on the middie panel. BSc 1000 SATs from
chris chris 482572 basses that came through fountain and he
says what stops an imposter from publishing the same live reason
code to hive Hmm Okay, well, nothing stops an imposter from
publishing the same live reason code. But since all of the hive
pod paying posting counts are known and blessed by the master
account, then we just ignore anything that doesn't. That is
not mentalist. I don't believe
that's appropriate language anymore. creator Dave blessed no
master
mess. Oh, sorry. Yes. This was the progenitor hive account.
Okay, that we're looking at. Yes, yes. creator Dave
Well done. Okay. Oh, creator Dave.
We're all creators now. Didn't you know that we're all we all
belong to Facebook, where they're creators.
creator when by itself sounds terrible, but when you put
somebody's name behind it,
it's creator Dave Yeah, it doesn't like sounds like brother
Dave. Thank you, creator Adam. Anytime creator Dave, after you
sir.
creator mere mortals since 2134. sets and says any possibility of
a chat with Roy about making Brees an anonymous or is it a
feature that Drew Brees
Um, you know, thank you creator kyron I cuz I mentioned this
with what did he say it? He said, Yeah, they're gonna do it,
but it was low priority for some reason, but he I think they're
gonna do it. I don't see why not. Oh, no, I remember I'm
sorry. He wants to tie in authenticate, I believe, don't
hold me to it. Because, you know, they're working on matrix
authentication. And using matrix as as it as a client chat
client, which I think is really you know, a part of his only
fans for lightning.
Yeah,
just I can't help it. So I think that he was waiting to that he
would prefer to have that be the authenticator and the quote
unquote name or handle versus some freeform thing which makes
sense from their development process which was I'm sorry,
no, no, okay.
Well, I was gonna say that the only piece of negative feedback
that I ever heard about fountain was was the name and email
address. Hmm Oscar and yeah, by the way comics through blogger
is an is a douche about those things all the time. So don't
feel don't feel like you're singled out on that one.
And I yeah, we actually have an option without an account. I
mean, that's in development, which is making sure everything
works without that But yeah, I totally understand that feedback
and it should be available relatively soon as well.
I found it surprising quite honestly, I find it really
surprising that the number of people who fell over that
I didn't mind I don't mind
I never mind that
shit. Now this because you can't make it up.
I'll make something I can make up stuff. I have different
accounts for different things.
It didn't bother me and then it like if you compare it to so I
went I went through found it was like, okay, just create an
account. Well, I mean, I'm getting I mean, I'm used to
creating accounts on thing. Yeah. But then there was this
other app that came out called pod pod, a polo or pot, a pot, a
pole or something. And I tried to go through it to check it
out. Oh my god. They wanted everything. I mean, like I
thought I was selling my house. I mean, it was just, it was like
10 pages of stuff. And I eventually bailed out just like
sign up. Really? Oh, gosh, I missed my email address, name,
age, date and date of birth. Like phone number. I mean, oh my
god, this is horrible. Yeah. Wow. No, no, compared to that
the fountain fountain was was meager? Yeah, yeah, no, Brian of
London send us 923 cents and he says my high funds are paid
hourly. And if the community thinks I just left to buy a
yacht, they can defund me in an instant.
Again, we're really happy Brian we're happy you're a millionaire
off of our backs. It's no problem.
as Brian of London again 1800
he feels guilty now he knows like Oh shit, man. They're on to
me. I'm making all this all this hardcourt hive cash. I gotta
send some on I got to share the love.
Not I'm sorry. But hive is the Australian dollar of crypto.
man. Dude so harsh.
Three speak was the first with 100% value for all channels
without users needing to end to do anything on the back end. I
always stress that bit
oh okay that's because you know No, no agenda tube was doing
this before now we're already into the pissing game over who
did what first?
Yeah, yeah, this this is this is how this is how we make we are a
traditional media organization. Yeah, we make money by making
everybody angry at each other argue by sending us booster
grants.
And this model is it will be studied at Harvard Business
School for many many decades to coast. How did they do
it? You don't need to get on this tip Oscar this needs to be
part of the business plan.
You got to have people arguing about your shit but doing it
over booster grams.
Yeah. Because they're gonna they're gonna gripe anyway so
you might as well get paid for it. See? Is this mere mortals of
bariga kyron I'm assuming this is Karen it could be could be
one. He says 12 148 cents through fountain he says
doubling my doubles with the Oscars generosity.
Oh yeah. This was such a great idea Oscar I can't thank you
enough. This was good.
No worries Yeah, we hope to do more. I mean every time we get a
certain amount of app fees from the 5% we'll probably just do
another campaign so yeah,
well let's let's make that let's also make sure that everyone
starts recycling into getting wallets started. What is such a
good idea.
The lightning circular circular economy. Yeah,
it's the donut model.
Well look who this is. Oscar marries and this is a sentence a
duck boost. 2000 22,222 says, and he sent it through fountain
of
Oscar. Thank you, Oscar. Very, very nice of you.
Oh, here's another one. Oscar marry again. 50,000 SATs and he
said, Okay, here's what I wish you could read this yourself. It
feels like I'm
the middleman for some reason.
It's like, it's like listening to somebody else narrate your
audio book back to you. Last week. Oscar says last week we
thought we had a 500k set and baller boost from Cali bear
turns out it didn't go through apologies for the confusion
fountain baller boost record still had held by aerostatic at
250k
oh okay what happened then somewhere we have half a million
sets lost in transit in transit transaction
no they just they didn't go through on our side so it was it
was awful on that one yeah. So was it a channel channel
liquidity probably no it was actually in the in the actual
app and and the server side code so no sets were sent anywhere it
was just Yeah. Okay. All right. Cool.
Thank you for thank you for the 50k Oscar let's see cotton gin
send us a 1700 1776 Liberty boost through pipe friend. Thank
you
I love hearing the Liberty boosts on on Cridland show
because it has nothing because nothing it's like messing with
them. It's like poking their eye out Yeah, like that.
That's good. That's good.
Um, let's see pod Okay, this is from pod friend through pod
friend. I don't know if this was maybe Martin he says send 1000
SATs and said what a time to be alive. No kidding. Then there's
another boost from for 100 SATs. And it just says testing some
boosts stuff just ignore me. No sir. We never ignore a booster
and do not call a bear speaking of sent 13 131 sets see what did
he say? Oh no did I lose it? No no. I may have I may have lost
okay I'm sticking this one to the side I think I lost cows
cows boost cut off the page
that previous boosted Graham was for 100 SATs
yes.
Okay what janky ass app is letting that through.
By friend it came through.
Martin man shored up baby No we can't have we can't have jack
boost
now he's got the you know he's got the keys to the kingdom so
he can send whatever boosts he wants.
Oh it was from Martin okay Martin can yeah Oh I see.
Now he's got node
he does Yeah, definitely God Mo Did you find kalu bears note
No, I'm going to find it and once you
keep reading it it's in the booster grams right I can
probably find it
No, I will have to find it. I think I'll read it next week cuz
we're getting cut off the page and it was one that didn't come
through. Anyway, I'll read it next week. I'll my my my
apologies. Let's see anonymous. Through breeze 7734 sets he says
greetings. It's quite cozy down here. Okay
all right. I agree a few
1000 SATs and again through anonymous through breeze was
anonymous. It says ring a fire. Oh,
okay.
Bye. Down Down Down in the podcast Ring of Fire.
sizzling hot.
1000 says in this may be from Alex. I don't know it's through
breeze says help Chris Fisher on the boost road. Helped Chris
Fisher on the boost road. I did send him mail and got no
response to Chris Fisher is Chris. I think Chris is one of
the hosts of the coder Radio Podcast and soon.
Oh, okay. I subscribe to that. Yeah, like
I'd like to try to get one of those dudes on sometime. They
seem like pretty cool guy. 1000 SATs anonymous through breeze
and says thanks for the show. Well, you're welcome. Oh, you
know what I think I may have just found a colleague version
of this is I think I had my pages mixed up. So Yeah Kyle
hits it 1331 SATs he says I know you love Dawson to wholesome
from st five. Yes. No love for Raju. I actually forced him on
one of the current games.
Oh, really? Oh man. You're so cool. Now I don't know I mean,
Dawson and what was the chicks name? She was
badass Chun Li.
Was that her name? Yeah, I
think it's true unless it was
either to either be her or dhalsim that was no no no other
way all those dudes were no good. You kick their ass.
Do you play Street Fighter Oscar?
Do you know it's funny? I used to love Street Fighter when I
was a kid. And about two I think it was two weeks ago I was out
on a run and I've got this running playlist that I've had
for about 10 years and one of the songs came on and it's this
UK rapper called D double A and he's got a song called street
fighting time and he's basically taken the soundtrack wrapped
over it popped into my head that I'd send it to Kyle just in case
you've never come across it yeah so I sent it over but yeah,
check that out. If you check that out maybe if you're on a
run it's a good running song cool.
breeze anonymous 1000 SATs the messages boost because I can and
I will
yes
philosophical boost there. I can and I will see Oh, through Who's
this oh from from at fountain oh wait These are our Yeah, these
are our top ups. Okay, so that's again a flurry of those from
from you guys at fountain? There was a C 3333 from top of that
brown of London. A 156 SAS topping up. Pop Up pack fan. He
was 10,000 SAS for sir bill. A 10,000 for air statica another
10,000 for Did I pronounce that name? Dude as in God, dude.
Dude. Okay, dude, that's right. Another 10,000 for dude 1000 for
Chris 482 572 and 12 148 for Mere Mortals. Thank you all this
thanks to all those guys for doing the top up. Match boost.
Yeah, and thank you Oscar and Nick. And the mysterious
investors.
The Russians, the Russian
guys in tracksuits who were funding this operation we really
appreciate it Oscar that's a great idea I really really liked
that
generous hope
to do more camp Camp 98 and 1000 SATs and in his messages yoga
flame.
We've struck a chord Street Fighter is back baby
whenever whenever I attempt to do any sort of voice on a cow a
little inside Yes, I want to personally apologize Do you call
for a couple more left to get anonymous through breeze sent
15,150 SATs away that's not anonymous he's guys named out
here says it's a Wilt Chamberlain plus a Van Halen
boost Thanks. Thanks.
And I saw this one come in and so I think we need to update
maybe we could do LeBron James or Neil. I think we should go to
Wilt Chamberlain is like really really really dating us.
That's the 10,000 right? Yeah, yes. 10,000 and a 5150 boost I
like it that's from this name is good health. g ot HEOF
got health.
Yes. Okay, thank you for that. Oh, we got some Dutch here. This
This is 9999 sets and I'm gonna attempt this What was your Zig
binges self you your speech reflects to what you are but
thanks for Alice is it yeah keep going
you're very good.
Now that's it?
Yes, sir. What you said but that's you know, this is the how
the the old country they talk about projection so you are what
you say others are but just by yourself. And then badung
trolleybus means Thanks for everything and you were very
understandable.
Oh, cool. Thanks. Alright.
That's the guys in the lab coats would be by to pick you up
pretty soon but you were understandable.
That's the that is from Tim. Some is that maybe Tim?
Yeah, this Tim who does
in a in a website
and or admins. Yes and the wait yeah, yes. Anyway, yes. I'm
stroking away here help me.
Your your hands up or your hand hands up in front of you like
yes.
With my elbows in and my wrist out exactly. Yeah.
We got and then the last year we got monthly donors or monthly
donors. Keith Gibson $50 Thank you every month for that Keith.
I appreciate it. Tim Hudgens my buddy $25 in nigma Labs $20
David would find $3 survival Vash that survive on the podcast
index dot socials dollar by Paul air Skinner buddy $11.14. Dwayne
Goldie, the longtime helper of us it's $8 Michael goggan $5 and
leather a long time, Charles current $5 been with us forever.
Sean McKeon. He's did a monthly a couple of months ago. $20
James Sullivan, great name $10 and Christopher raymer, another
longtime or $10? Thank you guys. That's our group.
Yeah, thank you all very much. Listen, how many people are
supporting us versus when we just started out and look at the
vast universe of stuff that we're doing. People are talking
about this everywhere, all over the world. Silicon Valley is
shaken to its core, they're sending out Ford operating teams
to try and capture the last bits of whatever Spotify crumbs they
couldn't get. And we, in the meantime, move forward and
March. What do you say pots, as
you know, fired up. Like this
Friday? Yeah, it's Friday. Well, yes, Oscar, I cannot tell you
how appreciative I am. And Dave will speak for himself by I know
the sentiment that you have chosen this path to, to develop
fountain and to create a real business out of it. I, I love
that you as any developer, you have many options at your
disposal, and it's really appreciated. God's work is being
done before our very eyes.
Well, thanks, Adam. I really appreciate that. And I really
just think is down to you guys, with what you've created here.
It's amazing. And I just hope that you know, with fountain and
obviously I'm sure that other app developers feel this way as
well. I'm just hoping that we can fulfill your vision and you
know, whatever you guys come up with, we'll be sure to build it
into the app. Yeah, looking forward to seeing where we get
to
ask her tell everybody has like where they can get a fountain?
Is it on iOS and the Google App Store? Or is it just f droid?
How do they get that?
Yeah, so it's available on iOS and Android? So if you go to
fountain.fm we've got the download links there and
download on iOS and Android. And yeah, if you're listening and
you haven't tried it out yet, I would really appreciate you
downloading it taking it out listening to some podcast,
sending some sets and yeah, if you have any feedback or you'd
like something built into it, just send me an email
oscar@fountain.fm and yeah, happy to build whatever people
want.
Is that better to reach you than the telegram channel? Do you
want to point people there just
Yeah, the email emails the best way probably. Okay. All right.
Cool, man. Yeah,
well, thanks again really appreciate you being here at the
board meeting and cannot wait to see how everything develops in
fountain land. And and again, thank you very much and we'll be
putting in a split for I wrote it down for the LPC f the
lightning podcast charity fund. Tm dm dm Dave Jones. All right
Dave, anything else for you James you need anything you need
anybody to bring you some coffees and lattes or just some
code something for you?
No, I just finished my G to my Gatorade G to glacier freeze and
well hydrated, getting back into and back into the mix
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