podcasting 2.0 for October 29 2021, episode number 16
crossing the line hello, everybody. Time to end your
week. You ready for the weekend? Well, this is the perfect time
to join us here in the boardroom. It's time for another
meeting of the Board of Directors of podcasting. 2.0
everything going on and podcast index.org the podcast namespace.
And of course all the wackiness that is podcast index dot
social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of Hill Country, Texas
and in Alabama. He's a natural repellent of all things rust, my
friend on the other end, Mr. Dave Jones, everybody
what's up? Happy Friday.
Happy Friday. Happy Friday.
Happy podcast show day.
Yes, it's always a happy day.
It is. I was in North Alabama all day yesterday. Yeah. Family
at a funeral go to actually Oh,
I'm sorry. I was just about to say Oh, nice party, but okay.
Yeah. No, it's open mouth. Insert foot. Yes, yes. I'm
sorry.
You know, my whole family's from North Alabama. So I get to spend
a day, man half a day out there. So it was it was good. As my
people I was
gonna say tell me about your people. What do they do? They
come from a long line of Alabamians Alabamans?
Oh, yeah, Alabama. Mm hmm. And most of them worked for
Monsanto.
I was just I was just gonna say you probably farmers or ag
sector,
huh? Yep. It's a little small town in North Alabama called
Hartzell. It's right next to Decatur, which is next, which is
kind of close to Huntsville. So there's a lot of the two
industries that there are agriculture of course, and
military defense. Right. And because it's near Huntsville,
which is a big military contractor, town,
so your whole family has been exposed to glyphosate,
basically.
Oh, I'm sure. Absolutely. 100% Positive. Yeah, no, they know,
most of my fans,
everybody four feet tall is that?
Yeah. Most of my family retired in some shape or form or fashion
from from Monsanto. Yeah. Okay. I think they changed their
life. There. Now. Is there a bare bottom?
Well, they changed her name to solutia. Oh, oh, then they
changed her name back to Monsanto. I think that's how the
thing goes.
They were doing a Blackwater like, oh, man, we're on we got a
lot of heat here. Let's change your name. It's like Facebook,
match Facebook. Yeah. It's weird because people are saying that I
predicted this. And I'm like, Well, I don't remember you
predicting that. And I don't know where it was. And I used to
own metaverse.com. Okay, which I registered and Neil Stevenson
who wrote who wrote the book Snow Crash, he said, I you can
use it just, you know, don't make T shirts. You can't make
any. You can't be making money off of the because he has merch.
It's just I can't do merch. And I was cool. You know, and this
was early days. This was still no this was this was still
mosaic days, maybe Netscape had just happened. And so that got
sold along with the company years and years ago, so I don't
have that anymore. I don't know who has but I figured it would
be something like that. Meta Yeah. But I don't I don't think
I called it like meta. And this is just a
Google alphabet play right? I mean, there's nothing nothing's
really changing.
Its positioning it's important sometimes you know, positioning
can mean a lot and I don't know if they're going to keep well
Facebook will remain Facebook. I saying I don't think they'd be
changing the app to meta. This is for the new rollout of
whatever new you know, everything that they're talking
about to me all I envision is a move or a mud I can't help it.
It's like oh, it's gonna be so cool. It'd be this virtual board
member moves and muds
No, no no multi user done Yes. multi user dungeon
and massive what was it? Yeah, massive. Online multiplayer.
Yes. MMO MMO Yeah,
yeah. And yeah, yeah, it was kind of like a text based thing
you go in just like you look around, you see a lamp up lamp
and then all sudden you get zapped by some wizard in the
corner Whose room you've invaded. Doesn't
always tell you know, you're facing north to your East door.
Yeah, West is two
doors. Oh, man. Good times. All pre doom.
What was the name of it? There's there's a big
there's lambda lambda mu was it the lambda mu? Who I don't know
that one. Yeah, remember? That was the big one. That was the
big I think was last Zork was it Zork that might have been a
little later than my lambda mu. Founded in 1990. at Xerox PARC
is the old it's still around apparently isn't Really? How
about that? Yeah, no mu was a mud object oriented. That's what
it was. So multi user dungeon object oriented was a movie.
Good times, man. Good times. It was so exciting. It was so
exciting back in the day. It Really Work
was a say individually developed tween 77 and 79 for the DEC PDP
10. Hmm. That some guys at MIT Yeah, that was a buddy of mine
had that on his PC, Jr. Do you remember PC Jr?
Of course. Yes, of course. Well, so how about this head trip? So
I weird we're now fondly remembering muds and moves. And
yesterday I buckled although I've I've pi hold the crap out
of it. And I might get away. Lucky. Bought a shark? Vacuum
robot.
Oh, like a like a Roomba? Yeah,
yeah. Except this shark who actually known for vacuum
cleaners.
Instead of VC cab venture cafe. Yeah, that idea? I guess.
And it's just it's so mind boggling what these things can
do with light thing as Lidar
is okay, so you want to tell me if they're better now? I had
one, uh, probably six, seven years? No, as probably eight
years ago. And it was it was okay. But then it was like, as
long as your floors had were absolutely level, no
obstructions. Clear. Nothing. No rugs. Like if anything got in
its way. It was like it just it was just like, No, I'm done.
Right. There's a better now.
So of course you got it for the same reason I got it because we
have dog white dogs, big white shedding dogs. And so we have
polished concrete throughout the entire house with no. What do
you call them? I know the Dutch word dimple, you know where the
doorway is when you go from no threshold. Okay. But these new
things. Okay, so first of all, very powerful vacuum cleaner.
And this is a really good vacuum cleaner. Looks like your face
off in a second in a heartbeat. It has LIDAR so you know, which
is a radar. It's basically like what you have on adaptive cruise
control. So it's it's very has, I think four sensors. It has two
rubberized track, you know, heavy tread wheels, but it has
suspension. So when it hits the carpet, yeah. Oh, yeah. When it
hits the carpet, it's like, it's like a hip hop, low rider pump.
And it lifts one wheel up and go half and half. And I've seen
this to pop. I've seen a bop over barstool bases. I've seen
it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And it is very, it's quite, it's quite
astounding. Really? Yeah, how good that is. And then this one
goes back to his base as it should. And then once it's in
the base, then it reverses thrust and blows all of the dust
into the container of the bass. So you only have to empty the
bass and not the not the actual vacuum itself is Victus very
sophisticated. That is legit, man. Yeah. Now the problem is
the Chinese have a map of my house. This is this was kind of
annoying. So I've been trying I've been trying to stop all
this stuff that the app is the worst is that the device itself
is not so bad. But the ad the companion app Oh my goodness.
This is so bad. It won't even run on graphene. Graphene like
now threat vector threat vector.
If you look at the pothole, to see what all its own cons Mm
hmm.
Yeah. So I haven't segregated on on but you know, it's still just
my IP address alone. So they know kind of where we are and
they'll know the zip code. And and obviously the the company
continues to ask me to register your address Come on.
That when they send the EMP to your house that they can, like
give you a heads up first they can let you know in the mail.
That is coming. Exactly. With the hypersonic the hypersonic
missile or whatever. Yeah.
Yeah. Anyway, um, man, there's a lot of different things we need
to talk about. The first thing maybe we can get into it with
this, Dave. So I know Stephen, there's been a lot of work going
on. You've been doing a lot of work, and we need to get an
update on on on the latest developments, but I feel somehow
it's connected to Stephen B. who posted yesterday. Yep. I'm just
waiting for Adam to publish. No agenda before I refresh the
code. And then I'm talking about the Kiro caster RSS generator.
Also known as the the genie. The genie the genie do blaster. Yep.
And I'm refreshing the code right now and I see we have a
new category to fill out called Social Media Yep, so I saw in my
feed today if I knew what I was doing, and if it made any sense,
I could add the following tags interaction link platform
Platform account ID podcast URL for this platform priority and
interaction publication date. Okay. That's for this episode.
You can do this for the podcast, I think his platform Platform
account ID platform, a podcast URL for this platform and
priority. Let me pull up the namespace. I have no idea what I
mean. I know what it's for. I think it doesn't matter. I want
to fill it out. I'm excited. I want it. I want to,
you know, Tom Rossi's role if you put a textbox somewhere, you
got to put some in. Yes, of course.
I can't have empty text boxes.
Let me see. Let me I'm trying to pull up the
now this is for comments.
So sure. Yeah, yes. So well, it's that that was a little bit
of the confusion. Is that where where's the social transcript
value proposal and Docs, it may still be on Benjamin Bellamy's.
It's not even a thing yet. Word. We're jumping. Jumping back.
Okay, that means a professor proposal
proposal. I'm good, good, good.
So Well, that was the that was the a little bit of confusion
there this week was that so binge, you know, Benjamin over,
cast upon deck gastropod. He had created a test sort of a test
with his own one of his own personal podcasts. And he had
put in the cross app commenting stuff.
Let's see. And it started working for Martin's special pod
friend test. Yeah, they
did sort of a, you know, a round robin. Yeah. Little thing
between the two of them. Yeah. In what what he that the the
spec for the tag in to fill everybody in? The more time that
that the what we're talking about is cross app comments. And
so you can create. Let me just back up now. I'll just leave,
roll this from the back. Okay. All
right. So great way for me to intro sorry, I failed, let's
just realize that some people have no clue what we're talking
about. It's this, the idea is that there will be what we're
what we're targeting is the ability for the comments that go
along with a podcast episode to live with the podcaster or
something that's under their control, rather than being
delegated to a third party social media site. So instead of
instead of saying, Here's my, here's my podcast episode, I
just published it. And you post that to Facebook, or Twitter,
and you have a bunch of replies there. This is you have a social
network that is activity pub compliant activity pub being the
spec we're using. So
in essence, if you're using activity pub and how a podcaster
uses that will get to you have your own little social use it to
a degree have your own little social network mechanism just
for that podcast.
Yeah. Yeah. So like if you are on let's say that your that you
run a mastodon instance, that you you run your own Mastodon,
you could post on that Mastodon, and then link to the post and
within your episode using this tag, and then when people reply,
they would be replying to that to that post on either either
their own Mastodon or another mass or another activity pub
compliant like Pleroma, or something like that. Or they
could set up an account on your system and reply there. Got it.
So no matter what the replies are under the replies and all
the moderation of all the commenting is under your
control. Right? Then one in the beauty of that is is not just
the decentralized, keep control aspect of it, that is one of the
big ones. But the other big benefit to that is that it's an
open. It's an open spec. So meaning in this context that
when you reveal where that post is the URI of that post location
with an activity pub in point, everybody else can see it,
meaning everybody else meaning apps, all the other apps can see
that and they can show the post. So they will be able to like it.
If if, if we post this tag with a comment with a with a link to
sort of the root comment or the root pose on purpose. guessed
index dot social, then that will be in the feed. Now all the apps
can see that endpoint. And they can show all the comments.
Right, right, because all the comments or at least all the
ones that are marked public. So and then they will also be able
to see that, here's the, here's the interaction point on the
mastodon, or wherever this thing is, for aren't for us, it would
be podcast index dot social, they'd be able to see that URI,
and then they would know how to interact with that post so that
they can also add comments to it. That that's what we're
talking about.
Right? And, and so I'm, I'm actually quite proud of
everybody adhering to the, to the to the agreement is like,
hey, if there's an implementation, we go for that.
And we have an implementation. I mean, people have been waiting
for other things. There's matrix is still hovering out there with
breeze. But now this we have a, an end to end we are at least
partial partial completion of a full proof of concept.
Yeah. And so that only see, then they have found it here. Yes. So
that's the in this goes back to this age old thing that we've
been talking about, and and going back and forth about which
is the difference between comments and chat. Because
they're not, they're fundamentally, they're
fundamentally different in the way that in conceptually they're
different. Is this. So Steven? On the spec,
Mr. Steven Pete, Steven B, put this in, I presume, with the
idea that I should fill it out. And something should work for
this episode, or my are we on the gun here? No, no,
no, this No, that's right. So the idea here would be that we
would put in the relevant links linkage linkage here in this
tag. So that this would go live and be able to be seen as sort
of a a test. Okay, so it's a bit it's a beta,
so. Okay, James Cridland. So when we publish this today,
it'll have this information filled out, it'll be in the
feed. It should, okay, I have no idea what to put in their
platform. I'll just put platform let me see Facebook, for the
love of God.
If I guess on a spec, I would actually tell you what Platform
account ID
I don't know. Let's just do Adam curry QA.
Let's see. So that's one of the things that messed this up from
a while ago. Was that okay, circling back back to the
beginning of this conversation was that when Benjamin put in
these tags, he put them he put them in as sort of the old
original tag that we had developed, which was podcast in
the namespace, which was podcast colon comments. That, but that
was changed to podcast colon social. And so he just put it in
there because I think it because it was simpler. And we didn't
have a fully fleshed out social spec at the time. Okay. But this
is something that we can then build on from here that we can
lock this in. If it works. Yeah.
Yes, a podcast social is the way to actual is the proper way to
do it. And we that'll that'll be what we're doing. And that's
what, that's what Stephen put in. Got it. Yeah. And so that it
was a little confusing, because the tags didn't match. But we're
do the yes, we'll do that. And then, I mean, it'll be fairly
uneventful to start with, because
it'll only kind of show up on the on podcast, index, social
where people can interact there, but it won't really it just look
like a mastodon thread.
Yeah. So that's that that's what the idea would be is that
that surfaced in the app.
Eventually, this, this will, this will be there. And it will
exist. So that people developers can can write code against it
and see what it looks like in their apps. Yeah,
right now we're broadcasting and we got no radios.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, all right. Cool. I love that.
So I mean, we'll give it a shot. I mean, this May. Yeah. Just
made totally fail. But I mean, we'll, we'll talk
about how cool is it to be able to test this on the fly.
Yeah, and like the point with these things that I think you
have just got to go. You gotta go Yeah. So one thing that
brought this to me to brought this to the point with me was
that Daniel J. Lewis spoke up on the on the mastodon and said,
Well, you know, Hey, why are we pushing live so hard? When cross
app comments seems to be what more people want, and I agree
and disagree at the same time, a point of personal privilege.
Yes. recognized
the way he actually said it was. Paul made that decision.
Yes. Yes, that is the exact
voice that I know I'm
because I said hey, he said, Hey Siri dictate this.
It's so it's actually very always jarring to me when I hear
him and hear his real voice like God, that's not the voice I have
in my head when I see him pose. But yeah, of course, he made a
good point. And
we died and put you in charge. And
that's pretty much what I read. Yeah.
Yeah, so we I was like, Well, you know, I agree and disagree.
But, but why? So I laid out all the reasons why, why I
disagreed. But then at the end, but did you
do a SWOT analysis? What a SWOT analysis?
What is that? Oh, you've
never done that where you draw like a cross. And you do. Top
Top Left is s, top right is W, top, bottom left is O. And
bottom right is T and as you write down your despod analysis
is gosh, I forgot the acronym is your strengths, weakness, a
SWOT, I'm sorry, strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and
threats. And then somehow you have that box there and you and
you get a B, A B plus. Oh, I've never actually done it in any
business making decisions. That's what you were taught.
Is this like the the Dwight Eisenhower quadrant list or
what? You know that one, where it's like, stuff this important,
but not an emergency stuff? This an emergency? Oh, you mean,
like GTD get things done? Yeah, yeah. Well, it's very, it's
taught in like early, early business school classes like
strength, weakness, opportunity and threats. This is how you
determine if you should go down this path.
So that that's what you pay. That's what you pay. $80,000 for
MBA? Yeah, exactly. I guess. Yeah. But now as I was like,
Well, you know that? Oh, I found it. Hallelujah. I finally found
i You found the the spec, but the spec. Yes. So and we can we
can look at this. But yeah, I was like, you know, that my own
quirk is that I like to bring things up to a certain level of,
of usability or, or I conceptual, whatever,
conceptuality. If that's a word, rather than just having them be
just words on a piece of paper. So I hate having this thing that
like this really cool idea of live out here, just sitting
there just being some words, and not actually having anything
fleshed out of it at all. I wanted to bring it up to sort of
a minimum conceptual quality before moving on to before
slipping back to comments, because comments had already
come so far that I knew we could kind of push it over the finish
line, quote, unquote, finish line. Oh, you know, fairly
easily. So. But that, but that's just a quirk on my account. And
he's right, ultimately, that cross app comments does benefit
more people and is probably the bigger one that everybody wants.
So I'm like, Well, you know, let's just me let's let's, let's
focus on that a bit. Let's try to let's try to get this thing
done.
There's your answer. Daniel J. Somebody died and made Dave
King.
Yeah, yeah, over.
Here we are. And here we are doing cross comments. Perfect.
I'm happy with all of it.
Yeah, so the the social spec defines a few tags, few sort of
sub tags as well. And the, the main root element there, the pod
is podcast, colon social. And, oh, I'll just read it. It says
this element allows a podcaster to specify one or many platforms
where listeners can interact. There may be several occurrences
of this tag for the same element on several platforms. So you can
have you know, you publish your episode. And within that
episode, that item tag as a sub tag, you have podcast podcasts
social, you can have multiple so you can have a podcast social
pointing to Facebook, when to Twitter Oh, really want? Yes,
yeah. And it'll create a post.
Well, the idea would be that you create the post first and then
link it over here. I see. Okay, but then, you know, but the
platform itself should help you do that. Yeah, got it. Yeah, we
like registering an app or whatever. Yeah, exactly. And
then, so you can have multiples and one of the attributes in
this tag is platform. So you'd have podcast, colon social
platform equals. And in this case for us for this test would
be activity pub. Platform equals activity pub, all lowercase.
Yes, so there'd be a slug list for this holds the different the
different wiring bubbles. Yeah, and like one of them is, is
jabber in this in this preliminary spec, and we need to
change that to x and PP. Um, so then that's, that's sort of the
root of the root tag. And then you have a sub tag underneath
that this podcast colon social sign up. Yeah, this element
allows, allows to make easy onboarding for listeners on
social discussion platforms, especially for decentralized
ones such as matrix or activity pub. So you have a home URL
property a signup URL. So that would allow people to point you
can appoint a user to where they need to go to create an account
in order to leave a comment.
Okay, cool. Yeah, that's that's included in curio casters, Jenny
as well, I see.
Okay, and the final sub element here is social interact. So
podcast, Colin's social interact, says this element
allows listeners to interact with an episode. In then is, so
you have a property in there for platform again, podcast account
ID, the podcast ID on this platform, update priority and
elements content. So that is see. Let me look at the go and
look at this attribute. So social media, social, social
activity, and social interact. I'm sorry. That looks it looks
like that's a way to pull actually pull in content. But I
don't know how to get out to check with Benjamin to see why
that's necessary.
Okay. Now, this is exciting. So this this shit might actually
work?
Yeah, it's possible. It was.
I love it. This is great, man. This is great.
Oh, wait, you're asking, What are you doing this, the the pot
this the Interact is where you is the point is the actual
pointer. Okay, that's what we need, we need, what we need is,
let's talk we're gonna need all of these, the the social route,
sort of top level parent element holds the actual, it just sets
up a context in which you're going to point for a sign up and
an interaction. Okay, those two things being the ones we need.
So I don't know. I mean, we'll try it.
My head hurts just a little bit. I have just a little bit of
twinge on the left hand left temple.
So my biggest my biggest question with this is, I'm not
sure. Where to, like, I'm not sure where to point the NT
social interact. At, I'm not sure what URL to use a think
that I can pull this status, or the I think I can just pull the
status URL for the route post. And then we put that in there.
And then that gives gives it what it needs. But I can't tell
from his example because they rolled their own activity pub
into cast upon, right. So I'm not sure how that's going to,
of course, is French they always have to do something weird. Have
you ever driven a French car?
I've seen the ones that are like they have like three wheels or
some?
Oh, yes. Well, I know a bit. The Citroen Davao?
Oh, you said you used to have one of
the I did. We've talked about that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, they do everything weird to three speed with a, a
rod through the dashboard that actually, you know, was
mechanically connected to the gearshift on the engine.
That's essentially what this is. Yeah, that's what it feels like.
Okay, well, what's your
eyes? Try it and see if it works.
Of course. Of course. I'm excited. This is very cool. All
right. I
fully expect. I expect this. Steven Bay will probably have
comments showing, of course, the end of the day.
Yeah, but he's already got it all baked in. No doubt. He's
just like, oh, big reveal. That works. Okay. Excellent. Well,
you know, since since we're talking about namespace, and if
you want to if anyone wants to learn more about the cross
comments, certainly. Benjamin Bellamy, the CEO of doula. Yeah,
I don't think that's how you pronounce that's how
I pronounce it. That's the the company that is developing Casta
pod. He was on pod land. Very good. Very good interview. That
was a great interview, and I want to play a clip from it.
Because what I like the most is something that is something
I've, I always feel, and I want people to recognize it. Because
you know, we're such a we have such a culture in general of
instant gratification, you know, it's like, is it working yet?
And no, just this is a lot of enthusiasm, a lot of energy, but
things do take time. And podcasting 1.0 It was just kind
of taking off, when we got Twitter, we got Facebook, we got
YouTube, YouTube was really the one that that just did,
podcasting was still under the radar, growing it maybe five or
7% per year, very, very slow. Until all of a sudden, we had
the Serial podcast, which came at, you know, these you can't,
you can't engineer these types of things. But there will be a
serial of podcasting 2.0 And it may not be a podcast, but there
there will be a moment when things take off. And it was fun
to hear. Sam, you know, basically saying, hey, you know,
do you think any of this is ever going to work? I mean, it's
taken forever? I'm paraphrasing. Luckily, I put this question.
There, we
have 10 Very quick new tags for helping with discoverability.
The problem, I guess, right now, Benjamin is that most people,
and most clients aren't supporting all 10, or even half
of these. So how do we get the industry to embrace more of
these tanks? I have to say, I totally disagree with you on
that one. Because a year ago, none of that existed, none.
There was no tag, no hosting company, no player. It's been
very recent. And actually, the amount of work and the number of
people and company who joined the movement is astonishing. A
year ago, we joined the movement from not the very beginning, but
not long after. And I I wasn't dreaming of what's the position
that we are in today. I think it's a tremendous move forward,
keeping the podcasting ecosystem open. And also making it as
pleasant for the both the podcasters and the listeners. If
you go to new podcast apps.com, you will see all the platforms
and players that are using these. And I think that they are
many of them. Of course, if you are a big company, we won't
expect you to embed these new tags that some of them are like
two months old, and to put them in production right away. And
maybe some of them will be forgotten. Not all of them will
be used. We don't know that for now. But the what was
accomplished here is really encouraging.
So I like a couple things. I really liked that he just said
hold on a second. Look at what we've achieved. In Helya Alya,
look at what has been achieved everybody. Pat yourself on the
back. Yeah, totally. And second, whenever a Frenchman talks about
joining a movement that shits real. So I love that Benjamin.
Merci beaucoup.
Yes, that I totally agree. I think I've been trying to come
we're in a phase right now. And I don't know what phase of a
you've got these charts out there that show you like, you
know, talking about like this acceptance curve or where you
have invention, adoption, acceptance, like I forgot the
all the terms. You know what I'm talking about? I think,
I don't know, I know what you're what you're talking about. I
don't know what it's called. Yeah.
Yeah. Whatever chart that we're on. There's a phase where in
that I'm not entirely sure how to describe it. But I know what
it is and in practice, and this is the point where we've created
a lot of things. And what is going to get the adoption is not
is not really a technical issue anymore. Correct? Correct. It's
this sort of the hard work phase where a lot of the things that I
that I do on a regular basis is I have phone calls with people.
I talk to podcasting hosts hosting companies that call and
They did set up zoom meetings and stuff with me. For a while
there's a one on one a week, at least. And
well, you are after all, the pod
sage was, of course, as an audience
with the sage is is always welcome.
Yeah, they have to climb a few 1000 stairs to get here and we
call over zoom. But they, you know, they call in and ask about
the tags and about what they do and which ones they should
prioritize and that kind of thing. So that's really where
were they this phase of things is it's like, okay, you made a
bunch of stuff. Now you got to go and talk to a lot of people
who are busy. And they recognize the importance of it. But they
really need it just boiled down and explained to them. And you
got to go out and do some evangelism. That's what Podcast
Movement was about, and all these kinds of things. So that's
the phase we're in right now is, is the technical work still goes
on in the background. But we're also in sort of a social
political phase where you have to just reach out and do the
legwork and put, put in the handshake time to talk to people
and get them up to speed.
With that in mind, I'd like to highlight for the board a
problem that I foresee, and we have a problem with transcripts.
And if we don't do something about it, we're gonna fuck it
up. Oh, well, yeah. So in listening to a lot of the, you
know, like pod news and pod land, and stuff that has been
written, it appears that a lot of there's a lot of companies
and some hosting companies, I believe, I'm not sure. But
there's a lot of work being done by companies who are looking to
be recommendation engines or relevancy, or organizations
that, that find podcasts that are valid or relevant to certain
advertisers. But I think a lot a lot of just a couple of people
I've been hearing about, well, we're using transcripts to find
relevant stuff, whether it's for advertising, whether it's for
recommendations, doesn't matter, I'm fine with all of it. But
what I'm not fine with is we have everybody doing their own
fucking thing. It really pisses me off. And, and it pissed me
off the most and not I'm not in a bad way towards towards
fountain. But so I finally got fountain working on my phone, it
was DNS as usual. And, yeah, and, and, you know, I want to I
wanted to see this really cool clipping system. So I hit
transcript. And, and having just spoken to, to Oscar, I knew that
it was now being processed by some other company. So you know,
I'm just seeing a spinning wheel. I'm like, Well, this
sucks. This could take an hour, I know how long it takes to
transcribe, it was no agenda, three and a half hour show. So
it's gonna take forever, and it never never showed up, you know,
I killed the app and went back and just never showed up. Now
that we talked about it with him. And he said, the reason
that they're they're doing their system, which I like a lot for
the clipping is they have per what per word timecode, which
enables them to basically show you know, you just highlight the
words and and the system does the rest of the clipping
brilliant, I love it. There more people doing it, I think it's a
great way to do it. But instead of them going off and doing it,
you know, paying some company to do it, instead of five other
companies taking the same fucking con, I'm sorry, I just
got to square the same content and making their own transcript.
It's I hate it. It makes me mad. And I want. So first, I think we
need to recognize this is happening. And if someone is
doing that, say, why don't you check, because we have this tag,
and you may not have to do the work. Because there's a
transcript already sitting there ready for you. And to let's set
the standard. And if if maybe we all agree it should be per word
timecode. So that, you know we can satisfy all these other
great ideas and help people because wood is going to be a
nightmare with transcripts. I'm crying.
And I'm not I'm not as worked up about it as you would say
because the people who are doing the trend, so like Oscar he
needs he needs that.
Right? But I tell Oscar tell me where I can get what you need.
And I'll just publish it that way. Instead of him paying money
to have that done and people waiting around with a
transcript. I want to provide that to you.
But the other the other people who are doing that like rolling
their own transcript engine things. They're all the big
hint. They're all the big ones. that aren't going to get not
invented here syndrome anyway, they're never gonna but
I Okay, that's fine, but I still want to make the plea. Okay. I
mean is
that sounds like what your plea pleading for is, is the best
sort of the not least common denominator, the greatest common
denominator? If that's the right way to say it is like, Okay, if
whatever, whatever is the most specific thing out there that
someone could possibly need. That's the thing we need to do
in order to meet the most people's needs across the board.
You know, you right, I think now that I know that I consider it.
I believe I get angry for a different reason. I get angry
because I hear interviews with people who are doing things
transcripts, and no one is saying, Hey, did you know they
already exist? And people who know this, and so maybe that's
where my frustration comes from? It's like, oh, God, you're
reinventing the wheel. I have a transcript right here. You can
ingest it. It's good to go.
That, that that's this, these are,
these aren't the big companies, all of them that you know,
they're doing commercial stuff.
No, yeah. No, I know what you're saying. So they're, they're
doing commercial stuff. But I do wonder, though, see there again.
There's ultimately there's ulterior motives there. And
that's not the right way to say there's no it's not the right
phrase. There's, there's other things driving that, besides
expediency. So for Okay, here's a good example for one pod
chaser. purchaser, we create the people tag, we created it, it
meets exactly the needs that they that they have. They are a
people discovery attribution engine.
Okay, so they have their own their own thing.
Well, they don't, they don't ingest the people tech, enough
to have asked their this give me the person tag I've asked about
I talked to him at Podcast Movement and that kind of thing.
And, I mean, they know about it, they were they were there and
helped create it. I mean, they were part of the creation of the
person tech. But they don't use it.
Is there any technical reason why they wouldn't use that?
Well, they don't, you know, they don't create, they would just be
an ingestion point. So they don't ingest it. And that's what
I was talking to Cole about. I was like, Well, you know, this
is perfect for you to take. And he said, Well, you know,
ultimately we would have, we're gonna have to vet it any way. So
we're gonna have to go through there and make sure that it's
okay to put it all through our Mechanical Turk. Anyway, to make
sure that is legit. And it is formatted the way we want it and
all this kind of stuff, and match it up with everybody else.
Because if it's free form, and somebody puts in a you know,
Adam curry, is that the same as Adam see curry and all this kind
of stuff? Well, you know, okay, well, that's fine. I mean, they
get they've got a feel like even the small players have these
motors, a lot of it driven by, let's just say the pressures of
VC money to show that they're, you know, building all these
cool new things. I don't know, I think I think it's not all just,
that's not exactly how it works. Having spent raised and spent VC
money. That's not that's not really true. I feel pressure to
show all these cool new things now. They don't no, no, no,
there's pressure, but it's very, it's it's not like that. Okay,
it's ignorance. It's ignorance, and it's rude. So I can do
this condemned, I mean, I, I'm always gonna back you up with
condemnation. I know. I know. I know.
I know, your appreciate
every you just condemned I condemn it. I condemn it. Good.
Okay, well, anyway, I certainly would like to have fountain be a
better experience. And so if I can, if someone could tell me a
Is there a problem if I start doing per word time codes? Is
that a problem for everybody else's app? Likely? So let's get
some feedback on that. Just the idea of using that as a standard
I find compelling because it really the the clipping concept
is dramatically improved.
I'm looking at I'm going to look at our fader and now I wonder we
don't have we don't have per word is that
right? No, no, wait, no, we don't. We have per two
sentences.
Well, me I think you can have per word in the same SRT format
that you do
with whatever we have now, right? But does that mean that
but that may mean that in pod friend for instance, it may show
up word for word instead of sentence above sentence below
and then the next two sentences hmm, I don't know. I'm just that
No, no, I don't think Okay, so then I need to have a so I'm
using otter.ai and they don't do per word so I need someone to
tell me where I can find out where to do that. Yeah. Because
it's just so much cool and you know and Mitch may want to
consider that for pod verse that idea that basic concept he's got
the clipping system per pod verse is phenomenal you know
we've got phone boy doing no agenda quotes, which has been
doing for years and years and years. And so now every no
agenda quote that he that he posts, which is typically no
agenda, social and Twitter, and God knows where else that also
includes a pod verse clip, it's dynamite. I love it.
can look at Yeah, I'm looking at the transcript here. It's it
looks like it's like sentence by sentence roughly. Yeah. Yeah,
meme. Ish, you know? Yeah, they look like they're in chunks.
Anyway, tags don't get implemented. If people don't
remind people that they're that they exist.
It looks like six to six, five or six second chunks. Okay.
Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, if if somebody can tell us where a per
word thing is, I mean, we can put that yeah, we can amend the
spec and modify it to say, you know, hey, just a blurb like,
recommended. it's strongly recommended to use per word
timestamps.
And you know, I can imagine comic strip blogger digan per
word, timestamps and is AI Wookiee Wookiee stuff. Is that
what it's called? It is Yes. You didn't know that. That's part of
machine learning, the wiki wiki.
You know, I've been, I've actually done a lot of code this
week.
I know. We haven't, we haven't been cuddling as much as usual.
No, we haven't. We need we need to Netflix and chill. Yeah, so
the is the one thing that I've been working on is, and this is
sort of, sort of related to another. Another issue is
booster gram surfacing. This is another
roll app. Is that what you're going to talk about?
Yeah, yeah. And the reason that came to mind is that we have, it
sort of fits this whole concept of having being in sort of a
phase where you just have to push through a bunch of stuff.
The invention phase is easy. Yeah, and then the, but then you
get to this next phase, where it's like, hey, just got to do
it all.
This, by the way, is where most commercial businesses fail
implementation execution. Yeah,
totally agree. Yeah. And so the booster gram stuff we got, you
know, they're started, the issues are starting to surface
like, where do I find these things? Well, if you're on
Satoshi stream, it'll pump them out for you. But what if you're
not on Satoshi stream? What if you're on your own node? And you
would think in the logic of open source tech, that we have your
own note, it would be easier to see these things. But that's not
the case here is actually way, way harder. It's hidden deep
within the system. Well, you'd
also think that of the many different node management tools
that exist, some of which are quite popular, that and I know,
there's rumors that thunder hub might be incorporating this. But
Hello, it's such an obvious audience. Ready for your
product?
Yeah, I mean, you, you would think that would be sort of
higher on the priority list. But so I mean, bottom line is we
need to start surfacing these things. And John cheese, you
wrote some code. I've written some code. Alice Gates has
written some code. None. None of it is anything what you would
call easy. It's at all requires just some pre existing
familiarity with how all of this work.
You got to bake macaroons. Yeah.
And, and you got to get you got to ssh in and you got it. You
just got to get in the guts, man. So what is a good start?
Since a lot of people are on Umbral is Umbral app
Yes, I'm very excited. I have not yet received my Umbro all in
one box. So I'm super excited about it because I think this
has a big future. What's the lead
time and when do you think your 30 days is 30 days? Okay. Yeah,
you bet the pre made them. Yeah, yes.
Okay. Yeah. And I did that with my raspy Blitz. You know, for
the security consciousness, of course not a good idea. I
believe they include I believe they include the chain or at
least the recent copy of the of the blockchain. So this so
that's really why I think I believe so yeah, it's like, just
give me that and I have to sink for 18 days. But it first of
all, the sexy looking box is the, I've tried to install
Umbral on Linux Mint on a laptop, which failed. And I'm
sure that's all the Docker stuff. So I was like I can, I'm
gonna install ubuntu. And I know that'll work unless it's
screwed. I'll order that box. But I'm very enamored very
enamored with the app, the app concept, you know, this is so I
mean, you're, you're bringing in a lightning node, but you're
sneaking in all kinds of cool stuff that are for your home.
Yeah, it's it sets you up to be decentralized in like, 100
different ways. Yeah.
And I it's really cool. It's very exciting. This is the kind
of box that we always it's in a way it's, um, next cloud. By the
way, next cloud should have a node built into it, you know,
this, like, well, maybe even cPanel? I don't know. But
there's all these different platforms that are, you know,
that you can run yourself where it makes so much sense to have
these this type of application built into it.
What size drive does it come harddrive does come with?
Either one or two terabyte? Okay, so I got the two terabyte,
you know, planning for the future of blockchain?
Totally, totally. Yeah, that's what I would get to that. You
never go wrong splurging on hard drive space. It's like no, it's
never a mistake. But the so I started doing the basic work on
it, the preliminary work on it, yes, yesterday. And before I
left, and I like it, I like the app structure. I like the it's
called the Umbral app framework. And it's just essentially,
you're creating a Docker container with your code running
inside of it. And you you created according to their
guidelines, and then they have as part of the they give you
some examples, okay, here's what your Docker file needs to look
like, in order to build, build the image. And then here's what
your Docker config needs to be your Yamo file. And within the,
within that Yamo file, you can say, Okay, I want to expose
these things to my Docker container. And it has a whole
list of commented out things and you uncomment out the
environment variables that you want to pet sort of pass through
to your container. That's
just like a template that you can you just get you put in
there and just uncomment whatever you want.
Yeah, and so you say, Okay, here's my code is gonna run on a
container will run on this port, it'll listen on this port. And
it's going to have this name in the in the embroil app registry.
And it's going to
oh, man, this thing should have an activity pub.
Well, I mean, that could be another thing. Yeah. Yeah,
totally. You could run a little activity pub, you know, server
on there to handle comments. But I mean, like it, the structure
of it is really cool. And you say, Okay, well, my, my app is
going to need to talk to the, to the to lnd. So you uncomment out
the lnd environment variables, so that your app can see where
lnd is, or, well, my app needs to talk to the Bitcoin Core
node. So you uncomment those and it's and then it passes through
okay, here's the here's the locate, here's the port that
Bitcoin D is running on, here's the path it's located at. And so
your app gets all the exposure to that
you know, all of this stuff that we're doing the it's also so
advanced, so sophisticated, so good. And because it's not DC
it's not centralized by nature. Which is what in two generations
have grown up on that you know, I just see it over and over
again it's like oh, well you know, it's there's workers SSH,
erasure all this stuff that has to be done. We just people just
gonna have to learn seriously and and, and I think the world
in general is going to be happy learning about a lot of new
stuff because the way I see it, you know, you're gonna have to
learn to bake bread again. Cuz ain't gonna be no bread this
winter. No, there's no bread in things. I mean, it's gonna be
weird things not everything. Hey, you know what your kid's
gonna have to go into cloth diaper and guess what you're
gonna have to learn how to wash it. Oh, and guess what? You're
not going to have detergent. So all we're going to have to learn
things again I think that we should admit I'm saying I think
it's but we shouldn't be too hung up on how much how
difficult it is because I remember how people would twist
themselves in knots just to get their mp3 file on their God on
their early and you know like that whether the reo early mp3
whatever you hear, or how podcasters I mean, we still 18
years. Do we have an all in one podcast box that actually does
it all? No, not really. But man, people were doing all kinds of
stuff for over a decade. How do I get this to work? How do I
make a sound? And somehow they figured it out?
Yeah. And if you if I can see the things, something like a
Umbral becoming the all in one podcast or box,
I think it's it's a media box. It's much more than it should
have it. Why? You know, depending on the size of your, I
mean, yes, I totally agree. That's why I love the sexiness
of their of their of the device. You know, that is something
people will be man, it took me half a day to set up the stupid
vacuum cleaner. Seriously, there's all kinds of crap that
goes wrong.
Oh, that's, that's, that's my issue is that we act like
everything else is easy. Oh, God, hell
no. It's
just hard in a different way.
Hell no. Yeah, every single thing that we've installed has
had some kind of issue is always a problem. It's just what
can't you see an umbrella that has, its at the base that's at
its base, it's a node, then you have a set of apps on there that
you can install, where we throw on a histogram app, we throw on
a freedom controller to get your show notes. You throw on?
Listen, listen, this is an activity
bigger than that. And and for the home, you throw on Mycroft
so you got your own version of Alexa. Seriously? All of this
stuff? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Hell yeah. Maybe even next cloud? I
don't know if I'm, kind of go back and forth on that. But, you
know, I use next cloud and to my God, it's a revolution,
or an ice cast server for a lot. icecast server? Yep.
I IPFS. I mean, there's all kinds of stuff. And I see it
more and more people send me a link. I was my next cloud. Okay.
for file sharing, it's got a chat, although there's plenty of
other chat. And in a way, you have to be careful of that. But
I like this so much more. Because, you know, we've been
looking at, everyone's been talking about Facebook and on
Facebook was like Oscar said, you know, Facebook wants to be
the internet. No, hey, don't worry about it. We got we got
social networking, we got newsletters, we got video, we
got news groups, we got news, we got you know, all this stuff.
And you're never going to get the best of breed. You can buy
some of the best of breed, but you can't buy all the best
forever. To Umbral is kind of like, I hate to say it, but like
a Facebook type of device. But you can choose which things you
like, you know, eventually your mail server, you might want to
have it on there, all these different things.
That's what people like about things like the Synology box is
that they can put on and off whatever they want. Yeah, and
just enable B, I think, I think John John, is he's a big fan of
the Synology. I think you should get John, if you're listening, I
think you should get an umbrella because you would you would dig
this so much. I think all the this stuff gets driven from
techy people. That's where all this stuff gets born at. So, you
know, as long as, as long as you have people out there that know
what they're doing, they can evangelize, they will
check, we'll check it out. Brett Weinstein had built a Raspberry
Pi node, he's a bit nerdy, and you know, most Professor types,
you know, they all they all have to do Unix pretty quickly. And
they have to be able to do some some basic level programming,
and it's seen a million times. So he put together and Umbral to
Fortran. I don't think he's maybe he's old enough. So he put
together an Umbral on a Raspberry Pi. And he had a
really cool enclosure, and he kind of looked at as an art
piece. And what he liked about it is that he had a Bitcoin
wallet, so he could exchange and store Bitcoin. He didn't even
know what lightning was.
That is hilarious. I said, dude,
click on this. Oh, okay. I see this app. Oh, that's
interesting. I should not watch I boost him. No, I see Satoshis
coming in, how does how does that work? So so when you can
have that's what an app store does, you know, it's like, oh,
well just install this by clickety click, and then
installed and then then over the phone, and I was actually
texting didn't even speak with him. And maybe one screenshot to
show him where I thought button would be located. And that was
it. And he didn't even know that this capability was in the box
that he that he had in his home already.
That that just cracks me up that he already was ready to go with
pod with podcasting. People know and didn't even know didn't even
know it. Yeah, he accidentally became value for value of
compliant. Yes,
he stumbled into value for value. He did. I don't I still
don't think he actually understands or knows but he just
sees the Satoshis is good. So that's fine. And speaking of
which, I realized today everybody who was doing value
for value, you got to admit, certainly with booster grams.
Has there ever been a more fun way to monetize your podcast?
Yeah, I was listening to pod land yesterday and they with the
comments and everything. They're just cracking up. It's just fun.
It's fun,
and you're monetizing it the same if you just want to use
that dirty word. Yeah, but you know, sometimes you just have to
say hold on a second. You know, this is working with it. And
what do we talk about the last episode a million Satoshis a day
running through the through podcasting. 2.0 Wow, wow.
That's the oh, I've got I've got a jingle candidate. I've got a
couple of jeans. Oh, okay. Very good. What do we have? Speaking
of which, there's one that's Well, there's two there's jingle
boost and jingle Yes. Boost. You wanna give them a shot? See what
you like. Okay,
let's try boost. And, yes, oops. Oh, I like that one. Who was
that? Rupal?
Yes. That's, I'm not gonna reveal where that came from.
Because I've got more and I've got another one I've got.
Alright, see there's one ISO copper boost. I'm trying to like
copper boost while I'm getting lunch.
Wow, how long what TV Are you watching
this this is one for okay, this this is a little long, but this
is a definitely something for I think this is a no agenda. Where
are they? Here? You can you can get this as ISO not what I
thought it was gonna be. What I thought it was gonna be Oh.
It's a little long, but it's funny.
Like, anyway, no, I can't reveal my secrets. I've got my treasure
trove that I go back to all the time.
Well, I'll put the link in the show notes to the boost Bates,
GitHub, which has expanded quite nicely I might add. People are
putting their own their own jingles in there. That's fun. I
love it. So very cool.
You want to thank people and then we'll come back and do
something else for sure.
Pay attention. This is how it's done. If you want to even start
a project like podcasting 2.0 Here's what you do you ask
people to support you say hey, do you like what this is? Do you
like what we're doing? Does it enrich your life in any way? I'm
William devayne. I buy my gold from Rosalind capital. Sorry,
what just happened there?
That was really natural.
Yes. See if you can pitch gold you can pitch value for value is
very magnetic bracelet.
Yes. Yes.
Mood rings. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah, so the the concept here is that
this will only work if it's a value to anybody. And how do we
know? Well, because you, you return the value in a monetary
way. By the way, it can be the time talent or treasure. It
doesn't have to be money all the time. In fact, it shouldn't be
if you can complete the trifectas even better. And that
way we can keep the server's running, we can have a little
bit of growth, we can keep the node funded. Which is really
good. You know, we have we're on the list. What are we in the
three hundreds, but we're on the list. We're on the boss list.
We're like 250 Oh, really? We're up? And that's up. Right? We're
the bullet? Yeah, we're
like 256 I
think really? Oh, considering we don't have the most money. We
have maybe very little money compared to some of these super
nodes.
Like buttoning labs. Terminal web, I think is what it's
called. Right? Yes. It's the lightning labs terminal with.
Let's see what we are.
Facebook is the actual terminal web, but okay.
Sure. Podcast index. I'm sorry. We're fast. 20. To 50, we're
520.
Okay, I went flat there. Oops. All right. Well, I mean, we're
still,
there's like 28,000 nodes. Were still doing pretty good.
Yeah. And that's really for accessibility, balance, and
throughput. But again, we're not we're certainly by no means the
biggest node in the business. What do we have like 27 million
SATs in there?
Yes. Yeah. Close. Getting close to 28. I think there is this.
Our centrality is 93rd percentile. That sounds good.
That's impressive. I don't know what it
means. I'll take it. Can I get I can get that on a t shirt. Yeah.
Good. Amen. So we gladly accept your streaming value for value
Satoshis or your boosts and or booster grams, which you can do
with any of these with most of the cool apps, new podcast apps
calm. If you're still in the old in the old school way, even one
of those new apps, by the way, you can tap on the funding icon
which is typically a piggy bank or a little dollar sign or maybe
a PayPal and that'll open up our our page for PayPal which you
can also find a podcast index.org down at the bottom red
button, donate and you know Again, just give us the value
that you're getting out of it. It may be the enjoyment of
podcasts, you may be a podcaster excited about what's happening.
You may be a developer, you may just be someone who likes
listening to a bunch of nunchucks come up with shit. It
was anything that has any entertaining value, let us know.
That's not to be underestimated. I remember as a probably a 17
year old I would go to the bookstore and buy Dr. Dobbs
journal. You remember that? Of course magazine. Yeah. And I
would buy Microsoft used to have a magazine. It was like Visual
Basic, monthly or something. I
just used to buy books. I just be like, oh, there's there's a
new O'Reilly book. What's the Yeah, what's the animal gonna
be?
And I would read through it cover to cover and have
absolutely no idea what any of those code examples were. I
didn't understand it. Didn't come
with a CD. now. Oh, yes. I love the books that came with a CD
ROM that was so cool. With source code. Yeah, sure.
Examples fun projects.
And yeah, we've got a drip Scott coming in. First of all with a
PayPal donation of $60. And he says, From drab, happy 60
episodes go podcasting.
Ah, thank you drip for a memory.
You shouldn't have
we finally we finally fixed is nodige I believe he's receiving
SATs again.
I've got I'm trying to get I have not switched anything I
think except podcasting. 2.0 calls.
Oh, he had a 500 Right. Okay, okay. Okay. Okay.
And I messaged Tim to get that lifted. And so I haven't heard
back yet so I'm gonna finish that as soon as I hear from Tim
okay and but I still publish the feed with it all in there right
you didn't change any of that
yeah the Yeah, I haven't gone back and change the older
episodes is what I'm is what I'm talking about. So I'll put those
I'll do all that. Like I'll do the full feed refresh with the
old episodes and all that stuff as soon as I hear from
Tim okay, and you also have to do it for no agenda and Mo facts
Yeah,
yeah, I got that. Yeah, cool. Let's see who we got. Sir
Spencer. Spencer came in with 13 137 SATs that's elite boost
yes very elite love that. Through curio caster and he says
leet boost can we can make see we can indeed make some routing
fees from our ring of fire. Since we are podcasters. focused
more on micro payments. I recommend we aim for zero base
fee and a higher relative PPM fee to encourage incentivize
micro payments to be routed able Kirby and I will be discussing
this today on April craft thank you for your courage
go very nice hold on a second
by going down down
the rate of fire podcast ring of fire to grab like a fire 10,000
SATs from Abel Kirby speaking of Wow, thanks. Nice. Through
period caster and he says we picked a release date for the
Tablecraft album. We're watching Christmas Eve.
Ah nice. Nice. Excellent. Can't wait for that now. It'll be
there'll be very good they have their their value block split
amongst the band members.
Oh yeah, that's the I like the Christmas Eve drop too. Oh,
yeah. Good. Oh, yeah. 10,000 SATs from anonymous, through
Brees. And he she says to for one's SATs free Hypothecation
the opposite of rehypothecation in Fiat clown world. I have no
idea what those were what is rehypothecation mean?
Oh my god. It's how you it's rehypothecation is how
eventually people are able to short Bitcoin. And how that
exactly works is is I can't explain it. Okay, well stay away
from it. What I was doing was trying to re hypothecate You
just walk away.
Let's see we got BB hat. senesin see some ducks. A duck boost. tu
tu tu tu ne says podcasting 2.0 is connecting the social angle.
Alright, alright, I'm
sorry. I'm sorry. We are Yeah, sorry about that. Sorry. I
didn't mean to connect anything.
Let's see. Another anonymous anonymous stewpot friend for 500
Nate says just as boost me bitch
okay. Oh wait there was a jingle that said boost me bitch but it
wasn't very good. So I didn't grab it but we'll do this post
over there. The the booster gram date GitHub.
We get here anonymous through brace for 500 SATs and it just
says love Wow, I love you too.
Thank you. I mean it
anonymous again through breeze 1000 Sassy says thanks for the
show. You're welcome. Boosts a lot of 1000 said boost today
that oh this is from you 1000 says boosting for drip from
curio cash.
Okay, thank you Adam. Thank you.
Here's your cue to
boost. You know you want to boost you got it
booster gram for 2376 SATs from aerostatic through Fountaine he
says booster grants to the moon Yes. Thank you aerostatic the
progenitor of the word booster grant Oh see here Kyron since
1901 SATs Karen down from mere mortals through curio caster, he
says this is an Aussie Commonwealth boost. Actually had
a strategic question for the two of you. Okay.
I'm very ready for that. Okay, it is after all, the boardroom
we're striving we're strategy is born.
It is the correct place for a strategic question. Correct?
Actually had a strategic question for the two of you. Do
you emphasize certain parts of the podcasting 2.0 depending on
the person you're talking with? IE, what message do you convey
to a fellow podcaster family member, journalist, friend, work
colleague, etc, etc. When people ask me what I'm up to, I want to
get to the juicy meat of 2.0 without overloading them with
too much info, wondering what you find works best.
Wow, you want to kick it off?
Yes, I do tailor them my sort of what I target to the to the
audience that's I'm going to be doing in our giving example. I'm
going to be doing in a workshop for bit women in Bitcoin and
January through a group called dis dis femmes magazine it's
like a Bitcoin and female oriented Bitcoin online
magazine, I think. So I talked to the to the lady that leads it
like you and the other day. And we just had sort of a
preliminary thing. So yeah, did I focus I know that did is going
to be Bitcoin focused. And I know that they not really gonna
care about something like chapters in and we've only got
an hour for the workshop. So when I do the workshop, I'm
definitely going to be focusing on nothing but value for value
and how to get in how that works and how to get set up. And so,
but if I was talking to somebody like a hosting company, I'm
probably not even going to bring up value for value, because it's
really the focus, there's going to be new, new, new app
experiences, like chapters and transcripts and such. But yeah,
definitely. And then there's the question of when you're, when
you're at Thanksgiving dinner, and your family asked you what
this new side project is you're doing. You know, you probably
try to hit a high level and don't even get specific on any
of it. So yeah, that's I mean, that's the that's the way I do
it. I definitely target thing.
Yeah, I would agree the knowing your audience, and what will
benefit the person who you're informing. You know, if if
someone like you say, like, so what do you do? This happens
with me a lot, too. What do you do? And with that, I'm probably
gonna say, I just married Tina for money. And you know, just
even if that's true, yeah, well, this is true. Yes. So there's,
you know, but it depends on level of technical skill, like
I'm doing the the Bitcoin sessions today at five, six
o'clock Eastern, which is, I think the title of this in Yeah,
was why why are we bullish? So obviously, that's going to be a
sophisticated Bitcoin audience. So I'll focus pretty much
primarily on value for value. And value for value for me is
really the concept I probably talk about most as it pertains
to podcasting 2.0 with most people, but if it's purely, you
know, so someone who just wants to know what's different, you
know, I show them I say, Oh, look, we have chapters and I
show them different things. depends on the audience. It
really does. depends on the audience. So of course, yeah, of
course you tailor that, but you can you can never you can never
hit it all for for one person. It's just not going to be that
interested. Just think just you know what podcasting is? Yeah, I
know, it's better.
It's better. Yeah. I think a good example of that Sam Sethi I
think he you know, he interviews a lot of people I think he's
good interviewer and one in he's cheap, very much brings up he
almost always brings up a podcasting 2.0 Tech. Now look, I
mean, the example of that is when he interviewed Dejan Aviva
Hassan from about three weeks ago. And she was talking about
monetization and how she had gotten on to the virgin. Virgin
yes salons thing. You know? And he asked, he asked, he's like,
Okay, well, have you heard of the value for value tag? I mean,
have you heard of this? You know, lightning streaming
payments and stuff. So, like, he that's an example of somebody
tailoring their message to a specific, you know, to each
specific person they're talking to? Yeah, I think you have to,
yeah.
And just for me, personally, again, I'll just say I think
value for value as a concept, not just the the implementation
that we've done in podcasting. 2.0 for media, is something that
for me is the real end goal. That's what I really that's what
turns me on. It's like look at people giving back value.
Voluntarily. And, and the reasons behind it and how people
do it. It fascinates me. I'm up for days looking at why people
do certain things in numerology, what, what makes them interested
in it? You know, and I find a lot more interesting than
looking at downloads, statistics and CPM.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
You know, it's like, what am I doing with the actual content
that I'm creating that will motive that will give someone so
much value that it motivates them to actually jump through
hoops to send that value back?
Do you want your audience to be to be a stat on an Excel
spreadsheet? Or do you want to be reading their messages that
they send to you on your own your show? I know which one I
want?
Yeah. I want them lying at my feet worshiping Me.
Well, that's a different Me you can do that. We can make that
have
that character. You're exactly right. You're exactly what you
said there.
By now. Karen brought in another 1100 23 SATs and he says through
pod friend. He says Would I be able to get my name written on
the list for coming up with the nickname pots H for Dave. First
booster gram that to a pod land month or so ago? Sorry, James
pod bro was awful. Yes,
yes, I think I think Dave, you should tattoo his name on your
arm.
Yeah, well, I'll let you know when that happens. Mary as the
Oscar Mary is a bunch of dogs here. 22,222 says Oh, thank you
fountain. He says thanks for having me on. Like, let's get
the lightning charity fun filled up boost.
Yes, well, yes. We so we did put the split in for the lightning
podcast charity fund. And I was planning on leaving it in for
today's show. So you know that those Satoshis are going to this
node that you gave us so hopefully you'll be able to use
that to pre fill some wallets.
Let's let's watch it happen. Let's watch the magic. Yep. The
vit see Oh, this looks like a maybe a typo.
It is very cool if you if you boost or boost to Graham you'll
see in the split you'll see lightning podcast charity fund
it just to see that Yeah, I like that a lot
of it via I think this is this is veal from the Parkinson's,
social but I'm not sure because this VI L dash L E so I don't
know. Maybe a typo. Part four and it says just testing go
podcasting. Well 1000 SAS will read them all. So even the test
we even read stuff from ourselves. The best part? Yeah.
aerostatic sent us another 2376 SATs and he says I also
subscribe to the fountain app premium. These guys are doing a
great job. Yeah, yeah,
it was great having Oscar on the show.
It's a good interview three 330 3333 SAS from our buddy
Martin at pod friend
33,000.
He says hello here's a donation of 33,333 SAS because you're
awesome. Ah this is Martin is also works as a test to see if
the total amount is sent along with the boost. Yes,
it is good work. Yeah, everyone's I saw breezes almost
done with their episode level split.
Yeah, it looked like I saw him in the breeze dev group. Yeah.
And they put it in place and then it broke some other stuff.
Cool. I get back.
I love it.
I got it working in Roy's like yeah, it works great, but none
of my episodes are up refreshing. Okay. Oh, well. So I
think they're in the homestretch of it. See, sir Pete gave us
5000 SAS and he says here's an Oscar. 360 Boost.
Ooh. Oscar 363 60
Breathe anonymous 1000 SATs their breeze and it's just it
says a you is the whole message.
All right. I don't know either. Maybe that's all
Auburn citadel. I don't know. Let's see. And John's John's
BRT, John's. John sbrt sent us 4900 SATs and he says cheers. It
was through fountain
cheers to you. Thank you very much.
That's our booster grams and we got some monthly donors here. We
got a Jordan dunville $10.02 coats $6.66 Miko Kimmerer $5.33
Lesley Martin $2 Jeff Miller $20 Dred Scott $15 Thank you dread
killing it.
Big John.
Terry Keller $4.11 Pedro gone calvus $5 and Aaron Renaud $5
I'm going to put in in the area of non monetary time instead of
treasure or talent instead of treasure I'm going to put in
Ryan Hirsch here because he is done work
party time right he did all the party time work thank you very
much. Right and thank you to these monthly donors because you
know what I'm seeing here just back of the napkin. I'm seeing
that we're receiving we had the monthly is are important because
that's that's that's money that these are higher amounts for us
which is great for the keep the server's running. But we have
less people sending us Fiat fun coupons, but more people
streaming and boosting even though the the the total Fiat
amount is lower. It warms my heart. Yeah, it warms my heart.
It really does. And, and you know, consider putting your
streaming at 100 SATs a minute that's a default on I think that
might be a curio caster default. And, you know, I realized like,
hey, you know, I've Damn, I'm filling I'm filling up this
wallet every single week. And like, How much is it really?
And I'm like, No,
it's not much. It's not but um,
but I feel good about it. Me too.
Because, you know, I do five booster grams and I got a
refill, you know?
Yeah, I was listening to Brett Weinstein's podcast today. His
latest episode is really good. I was listening to that
was. Was Heather on on the show.
Yes. Yes, it was good. She did. She's talking about this book.
And it's, it's, it's it's a good episode. Um, I don't listen to
that show a lot. But every now and then they'll have one that
hits it out of the park.
Oh, yeah. And by the way, I think Heather actually is quite
sexy with that. That breathy voice
but I'm gonna take your word for it because you do you and
imitating it is not.
It's not sexy. Okay, I make the jokes around here right now,
guys. We Yeah, that's it. That's our that's our group.
Thank you all so much. I think we had a pretty good lead into
explaining how it works. But that's it. And the you know, my
wife was a nonprofit, communications professional C
suite level for many many years semi retired now. And she will
tell you if you're a podcast or just like any nonprofit, the
number one reason people do not donate is because they weren't
asked. And it's get asked Hey, gotta ask got to ask. And and in
this booster Graham thing is just man that's taken to such
such another level. You know? That I was gonna say something
but I'm planning even on another show just because I want to be
able to do even more of a booster grams and stuff. Well, I
need another podcast in my life. You see?
Yeah, you do. Like you need a you know, like, you need another
dog in your life.
It's a creative outlet. There's some of that, you know, it's I
love doing it so much. And it's it's not me, podcasting. It's
the people. You know, I love talking with you. I love talking
with Moe. I love talking with John still kind of
just on a tangent. I caught that on a on a Mofaz tangent. Yo. I'm
glad that y'all have been doing more shows lately. It's good to
see we're on
a schedule man got one or schedule it's, we finally
figured it out. Yeah, and it's an I'm very proud of moe.
Because he is he is really really killing it. And we
finally figured out what was there was a whole bunch of
reasons why we weren't hitting a schedule. And and I say, man,
we're breaking my number one rule here. And we also went off
a little bit on the format. And we just and we just corrected it
and it's so happy. I think the the shows that we're doing now
are some of the best workout. This last one we did about the
parallels between COVID and AIDS crisis and how that impacts the
so called black community and I say so called because that's
what most says it phenomenal. And people are boosting and
people are I mean, we have we have a wallet for the show.
How's that? Do
it? Hell yeah.
It's doing okay. It's doing okay. Yeah. And you know your
readout booster grams on there? No, because
I don't have any booster gram software.
I'm waiting for like, that's, I feel like that's somebody's
problem that I know. It might be man. What do you mean? Like, I
feel like I have neglected to set you guys up with the proper
software to get that done with Yeah, but
yeah, it's like I I know when to ask for stuff. Yeah, yeah. And
tax time was not the right time.
And how was that set up? By the way? Is it set up? What node is
that go into?
Oh, I'm just, it's actually my old voltage node. Because at
first we had a first we had a split and it was going into me a
mo had a sphinx node. Well, we know how that typically is.
Failure. And, and he he's like, yeah, just set it up. And just I
just want it stored and leave it. So we're not going to spend
that it's okay. Good. And you know, so that's it. And so it's
all it needs is is the code to access the GPRC whatever. His
thing macaroon baking system on ology, lightning, okay, greased
lightning.
Grace. Okay, so when you get your when you get your Umbral?
Yeah, that's wrong. I wait for the Oh, yeah, of course not.
It's all right. But we do value for value. That show has been
valued for value for day one. And you know, it's been
phenomenal. It's again, this is what this is why I love this
shit. This is why I do it for these for talking with people.
You want to hit one more. One more namespace thing before we
get out of here. Yeah, sure. I think I think it's been too
long. I think we need a hot namespace talk.
Okay, and now it's time for some hot namespace talks. Thank you,
Dave. You were on top of that. Like why don't rise you're gonna
have to find that Oh, I
have to go find it. No, Dave. No, no. You're working with a
legend here. Okay.
And it was still a 10th of a second delay from clean feed.
Your radio professional. Thank you very much. I'm pronounced
Decatur.
The podcast Gu ID tag. So red circle.
Ah, yes. I have one. I have one. I saw it it's in curio caster it
shows my my podcast good.
Yeah, like red circle evidently implemented the good. The
podcast. Good tag. I haven't talked to them. They haven't
cool with any of us that I know. And
they're doing it in the way we're doing it the same way.
Yeah, I mean, like they're, they've implemented across their
whole portfolio. Cool. All of a sudden, John Spurlock just
started. He posted the other day yesterday and said, Hey, I'm
seeing red circle podcasts feeds that now have the podcast good
tag in there. He's like that that? Is that new? Pa? And
evidently it is. So that's red circle Buzzsprout and cast those
that have all implemented good.
God bless those guys, man. All of them. Yeah. And
I think I think it's probably time to pull the trigger on
doing some cool stuff with GUID. And I think one of the first
things we need to do is the fact is, is go back and look at fast
follows. Ah ha, yeah, so that we can have a universal way to do
following, regardless of what the feed if the feed changes.
And so the idea here is no, no, we always know we already have a
fast follow sort of format that is less than ideal, but it was,
you know, we came up with it as a group pretty quick. But what
really needs there really needs to be in my opinion, and this is
just my opinion. Well,
excuse me, you are the pod sage.
Well, I mean, I don't want to play that card all the time. I
gotta leave some juice for later. Yeah, I
get at least some juice is that I fill it as I already bought
the domain fast follow.org. And I've had it for a while. So I
think what needs to happen is we have a way to do fast follow.org
domains with the GUID attached so that in then what will happen
is a create a Cloudflare what's called a Cloudflare worker that
will resolve the GUID. When somebody hits when somebody hits
that domain. It will resolve in return the URL. Yeah, yes. Cool.
Seamless doesn't require any servers. And we can serve tons
of those fairly easily, I believe. Yeah, I like it. So the
only thing that that is missing, though, is a where this falls
down is Apple, because they do not have a way to set a default
podcast app. So you can't say when you if you had a feed URL,
something like podcast colon slash slash and a Gu ID. Yeah.
You can't use that on Apple's platforms because they don't
have a scheme protocol scheme handler register registered to
go to the to a default app.
So it makes its own choice.
It always defaults to, but yeah, well, they've changed that
lately. For other apps like mail, you can finally set your
default mail client and all these other things. So here's
my, here's my question. Or my challenge to anybody, to
everybody who is listening in may have ideas about this. How
do we pressure Apple to change this?
Wow, this is very interesting, because I think it's critical
and who always says, well, mate was no Sam. Sam Sethi says that
Apple's podcast app is the internet explorer of podcast
apps. And now they are literally acting like Microsoft, because
one of the core issues with Microsoft is they were locking
you in to Internet Explorer. And so now Apple is literally
segregating and locking everybody into their Internet
Explorer podcast app, yet other apps, they do allow this to
happen. So that's anti competitive, and I'm taking them
down.
Yeah, how do we do it? How do we take them lawsuit?
We need a lawyer, a lawyer to write a letter and threaten him.
Cool. Yeah. I think Martin has some experience with that.
Martin, can you write this letter for us? You have you have
their lawyers number, don't you?
He does. He does. He doesn't want to use that number, though.
Well, this is something James might do. You know, it's like,
this is this is anti competitive. And I don't know
all the details. But if, you know, they can have this sort of
they can do whatever they want. But if they if they're opening
up other things, and there's a clear market for other podcast
apps, I think there's precedent with the Microsoft case. I may
be wrong, but it feels like there's precedent
with jurisprudence. So I know you're serious about this. I
know.
But the someone over there listens to this.
Yeah, Apple. Yeah.
I know. Someone over at Apple. Listen to this. Come on Apple. I
just I have so much respect for for Apple in general. But man,
it's really waning.
No, I mean, if you don't want to look Apple if you don't want to
allow,
let's just hold on a second. Tim. Tim, listen up. Okay, Dave.
I got his attention.
Okay. I'm doing pray hands right now. So really?
Don't worry. Tim is too.
Yeah, he is. He never stops. That's all he does all day. Um,
we need. Like, if if the problem is you don't want people setting
Spotify as their default podcast app, then just exclude them and
let everybody else go.
Yeah, there's no lawsuit there.
Yeah, no. You don't have to say it out loud. No, I mean,
seriously, this is
why why would they? why would why there's no reason for them
to care. This this last because we don't make any money off that
exactly. As long as you know. And and yeah, for subscriptions.
Oh, yeah. You're so worried about the revenue loss from your
podcast subscriptions. Come on. Don't be douche it's
you. I bet you they don't make $200,000 a year
cost them money. It's a it's a loss leader for sure. Yeah. And
most of that money is most of that money is by them not using
pod ping and killing the climate. You're worse than China
with your with your aggregators. Yeah,
there's for every effort to put this into New York Times a
Bitcoin terminology. Every podcast that's polled by Apple
is enough energy to heat 4000 homes for a month.
No, nope, nope. Every every podcast that is what was it? Was
it pulled by Apple now? Yep. Yeah, pull by Apple. So every
episode Yes. Published and pulled by Apple kills a puppy.
It does. Yes. And they're so cute.
Apple is the Fauci is the Fauci of podcast systems.
Every new episode published and concerned by consumed by Apple
puts bagels head in a bag. That's right
and then tightens it. Yeah. suffocated. To stop that Apple
is horrible. Okay, watch this make a difference. Tim likes
dogs.
He does. So I've got pod pink stuff, but I think we need it
wait for next week would be I gotta get back to work.
Okay. Dave, I know that you're in the middle, all the coding
stuff. Do you have time to hang around with me and set up this
social social thing? Or do you need to get back to work and we
can do it later if that's easier for you, but not just delay
publishing and then Martin gets angry and
no, I can stick around for a minute. Okay. All right,
everybody
that will do it for today for podcasting. 2.0 Thank you very
much for joining the board meeting. We'll have you back on
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