1 00:00:00,900 --> 00:00:06,600 podcasting 2.0 for December 17 2021, episode 66 dropped the 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:13,320 game definitely one of my favorite titles. Hey everybody, 3 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,400 welcome to podcasting. 2.0 It's the podcast that really is the 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,970 meaning of the board of podcasting. 2.0 We tell you all 5 00:00:20,970 --> 00:00:24,630 about what happened in the past week in podcast index.org What's 6 00:00:24,630 --> 00:00:27,630 going on with the podcast namespace? And of course 7 00:00:27,630 --> 00:00:31,080 everything happening in podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry 8 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,480 here in the heart of Hill Country, Texas and in Alabama. 9 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,750 The man who has the fastest follows my friend on the other 10 00:00:36,750 --> 00:00:41,940 end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones, dropped, dropped. 11 00:00:42,930 --> 00:00:44,130 What gate are we dropping? 12 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,070 Well, the gate we dropped was the one I dropped before we 13 00:00:47,070 --> 00:00:49,560 started to get rid of the noise. 14 00:00:52,110 --> 00:00:56,250 Yeah, I just, I'm good and feeling good. I had a I had a 15 00:00:56,250 --> 00:01:00,720 humongous bowl of collard greens. Oh, the show is gonna be 16 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,650 really interesting. I'm in a small room. And when the doors 17 00:01:04,650 --> 00:01:05,100 closed, 18 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,320 only people in the south understand what you're talking 19 00:01:07,320 --> 00:01:08,760 about when it comes to that, I think 20 00:01:09,180 --> 00:01:12,900 I think is collard greens. Is that Is that not a way outside 21 00:01:12,900 --> 00:01:13,680 the south thing? 22 00:01:13,860 --> 00:01:17,310 Oh, possibly. I don't know. I thought it was a South thing. It 23 00:01:17,850 --> 00:01:21,900 Yeah. So I got this risk. Okay, so I'll give you the recipe. 24 00:01:22,079 --> 00:01:26,669 Oh, please do yes, we definitely need need more food talk on this 25 00:01:26,669 --> 00:01:27,059 show 26 00:01:27,450 --> 00:01:33,390 to podcasting to point a recipe tip. So caught this color green 27 00:01:33,390 --> 00:01:36,840 recipe is a pound of collard greens. 28 00:01:38,250 --> 00:01:41,190 For those who don't know what collard greens are you probably 29 00:01:41,190 --> 00:01:43,140 have to tell people because not everyone knows. 30 00:01:43,799 --> 00:01:47,639 Well, it's like, it's it's like, they're good in general. They're 31 00:01:47,639 --> 00:01:52,709 greens. They're like these. It's big. It's like It's like if you 32 00:01:52,709 --> 00:01:57,629 took kale and scaled it up by like a factor of three. That's 33 00:01:57,629 --> 00:02:01,109 that's what a collard green looks like. It's a scaled up 34 00:02:01,109 --> 00:02:05,819 kale. And, and, but it doesn't tell me to say but that actually 35 00:02:05,819 --> 00:02:06,449 tastes good. Where 36 00:02:06,570 --> 00:02:09,630 it doesn't taste like kale tastes like you know, cardboard 37 00:02:09,660 --> 00:02:13,830 drenched in urine is horrible Feet. Feet. No, that's actually 38 00:02:13,830 --> 00:02:16,830 a good one tastes like exactly. The 39 00:02:16,860 --> 00:02:19,380 so you take it. There's different kinds of greens, 40 00:02:19,380 --> 00:02:24,210 there's collard greens, turnip greens, mustard greens, there's 41 00:02:24,210 --> 00:02:28,530 there's various varieties there species of collard green of 42 00:02:28,530 --> 00:02:32,580 greens. So the the, the collards are a little more tender, I 43 00:02:32,580 --> 00:02:35,550 think, but you get so you can get them at store, they're all 44 00:02:35,550 --> 00:02:38,700 chopped up in a minimum, you know, like pre, we can get a 45 00:02:38,700 --> 00:02:42,090 whole either a whole also but you can get them chopped up in a 46 00:02:42,090 --> 00:02:45,300 bag is like two pounds of greens. So you take your you 47 00:02:45,300 --> 00:02:51,960 take your greens, stick them in a pressure cooker. Okay, yeah. 48 00:02:52,740 --> 00:02:57,900 Then, in a skillet or cast iron skillet, get a little bit of 49 00:02:57,900 --> 00:03:01,980 butter in there, and brown and dice up an onion and brown it 50 00:03:02,460 --> 00:03:07,800 and then fry up about four pieces of bacon on in the in the 51 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:16,530 same skillet. Then pour in about two cups of bone broth. Let that 52 00:03:16,530 --> 00:03:19,800 all mix up and get all you know all the goodness in there. Dump 53 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:24,600 it in with the collard greens in the in the crop in the pressure 54 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:29,130 cooker. And then pour in a bottle of barbecue sauce. 55 00:03:29,609 --> 00:03:32,939 That's gonna be your secret ingredient right there. Yes, 56 00:03:33,090 --> 00:03:36,210 it's got now it's critical. It has to be a vinegar based 57 00:03:36,210 --> 00:03:41,130 barbecue sauce sauce. Not a sugar, butter, not a tomato 58 00:03:41,130 --> 00:03:45,510 based. So a vinegar based barbecue sauce. Throw that in 59 00:03:45,510 --> 00:03:49,440 there. And then pressure cook it for about 15 minutes. Oh, so 60 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:49,770 good. 61 00:03:50,310 --> 00:03:52,380 The more you know, in the morning 62 00:03:54,900 --> 00:04:01,320 now, I ate like three bowls of them the other night. So I mean 63 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,440 you. You may you may have to carry scissors with you to the 64 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,260 bathroom. That's the only that's your only warning. 65 00:04:08,550 --> 00:04:12,030 Yeah, they're good. They do taste good. Oh man. Well, while 66 00:04:12,030 --> 00:04:15,060 you were doing all that I was out promoting podcasting. 2.0 67 00:04:15,060 --> 00:04:16,470 hope you enjoyed your cooking. 68 00:04:16,950 --> 00:04:20,040 Hey, I was promoting it. I was I was on the tour too. You don't 69 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:21,330 even know what I was. No. What 70 00:04:21,330 --> 00:04:22,440 show were you doing? 71 00:04:23,010 --> 00:04:26,880 I was interviewed by Chris Fisher from a Jupiter 72 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,460 broadcasting coder radio Linux Action Network. 73 00:04:29,550 --> 00:04:31,860 What what's the name of the podcast? 74 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,680 He doesn't know yet. He's going to put it on one of his shows 75 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,430 but he's got like three or four different shows. ready made dice 76 00:04:38,430 --> 00:04:40,950 it up and sprinkle it around a few different shows. 77 00:04:40,980 --> 00:04:44,670 Oh, okay. Well, you may have me beat them. I didn't have any 78 00:04:44,700 --> 00:04:46,530 multi split shows going on. 79 00:04:46,650 --> 00:04:50,130 Yeah, but you got you went straight to the top with the new 80 00:04:50,130 --> 00:04:50,760 media show. 81 00:04:52,020 --> 00:04:56,070 Well, first no first we had mere mortals. Which was this was 82 00:04:56,100 --> 00:05:00,840 quite interesting. Cuz I've obviously I've been Ever seen 83 00:05:00,870 --> 00:05:03,000 Kyron? Because I've only listened to the podcast, I 84 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,290 didn't even know that he also put this out as a video. Mm hmm. 85 00:05:07,350 --> 00:05:11,850 And, you know, so and then he's like, Oh, I'll send you a link. 86 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:16,950 To be honest. I really prefer doing audio interviews, just 87 00:05:16,980 --> 00:05:20,550 without seeing the other person. You know, and not because I want 88 00:05:20,670 --> 00:05:23,310 that because you said that before, why do you? It's just 89 00:05:23,340 --> 00:05:26,220 me. This is why I love podcasting. Without video in 90 00:05:26,220 --> 00:05:29,190 general is first of all, I have to be self conscious of my 91 00:05:29,190 --> 00:05:32,760 Tourette's and all kinds of weird shit that yeah, just that, 92 00:05:32,790 --> 00:05:34,980 that that's just a little more tiring. It's not like it's 93 00:05:34,980 --> 00:05:41,610 horrible. Second, but as a part of that, when I'm talking when 94 00:05:41,610 --> 00:05:45,150 I'm telling a story, I often have my eyes closed. If I'm 95 00:05:45,150 --> 00:05:48,780 really into it, like on this show all the time, I'm talking 96 00:05:48,780 --> 00:05:52,410 with you, I've my eyes closed. It's it's weird. I'm conscious, 97 00:05:52,410 --> 00:05:55,080 I'm doing it. But I've, you know, it's just like I'm locking 98 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,560 everything out to focus on what I'm saying. And so then when he 99 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,770 published it video, and I didn't have it set up, you know, the 100 00:06:01,770 --> 00:06:04,140 way it would for like Megyn Kelly where I've got it, you 101 00:06:04,140 --> 00:06:06,930 know, at the right eye height and I've got the speakers 102 00:06:06,930 --> 00:06:09,990 instead of the demands on my head and I kind of make up Dave 103 00:06:09,990 --> 00:06:12,750 Jones. Thank you, ma'am. I don't need that. Just so beautiful. 104 00:06:12,780 --> 00:06:17,760 Don't hate me. Right and beautiful. So that was that was 105 00:06:17,850 --> 00:06:23,220 just a little bit. I didn't expect that. But I had a great 106 00:06:23,220 --> 00:06:26,280 chat with him. He did have some good questions. And he's pretty 107 00:06:26,280 --> 00:06:31,200 funny. He's funny guy. And I love the chapter art. There's me 108 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,560 begging for money in my trench coat. Hilarious. 109 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,790 I've not I've not it's in my queue. I've not even okay even 110 00:06:41,790 --> 00:06:45,540 teed it up yet because I saw my new media show came in. Right 111 00:06:45,540 --> 00:06:47,940 and I'm like, Okay, I gotta I gotta listen to this. And then 112 00:06:47,940 --> 00:06:52,860 my, my mind mere mortals. Interview is going to be the 113 00:06:53,310 --> 00:06:54,390 weekend. Listen, 114 00:06:54,450 --> 00:06:57,810 okay. Yes, like two hours ago is long. Yeah. Oh, who's Yeah, I 115 00:06:57,810 --> 00:07:00,750 mean, I really enjoyed it. Karen's it? Yeah. This is a 116 00:07:00,750 --> 00:07:01,380 young guy. 117 00:07:02,580 --> 00:07:06,600 He's really smart dude to read. Yeah. Multilingual. I mean, 118 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,050 yeah, he's he's a he's a man. He's a man about town. Yeah. 119 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:16,140 A little annoying that way. Yeah. Martin young. Yeah, I 120 00:07:16,140 --> 00:07:18,510 think I think it was good. It was a lot of it was kind of 121 00:07:18,510 --> 00:07:21,960 value for value, the Genesis, but also some things about that 122 00:07:22,020 --> 00:07:25,050 aren't typically brought up. You know, one of his questions was, 123 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,870 so when you're shopping for a castle, what are you looking out 124 00:07:27,870 --> 00:07:28,170 for? 125 00:07:29,310 --> 00:07:36,330 Oh. That is? That's a question I would have never anticipated 126 00:07:36,390 --> 00:07:39,390 what I mean, what did you say? What was your thumbnails? The 127 00:07:39,390 --> 00:07:39,690 truth? 128 00:07:39,690 --> 00:07:43,650 And the truthful answer was, you look for a castle that has a 129 00:07:43,650 --> 00:07:46,680 suitable spot to land the helicopter. That is the truth. 130 00:07:47,460 --> 00:07:52,470 Back in the day, that what was what it was about? My how things 131 00:07:52,470 --> 00:07:55,980 have changed. But yeah, then I did the new media show, which 132 00:07:55,980 --> 00:08:03,270 came on the heels of your outstanding explanation of the 133 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:08,910 number of podcasts and podcasts, index.org versus Apple, and the 134 00:08:08,910 --> 00:08:13,170 validity of the feeds, you know, as I said, that was top top top 135 00:08:13,170 --> 00:08:17,850 notch. Interesting since that show, I think more people have 136 00:08:17,850 --> 00:08:20,910 been downloading the database to go sift through it because like, 137 00:08:20,910 --> 00:08:23,580 oh, shit, I mean, really all that sits in there. And I think 138 00:08:23,580 --> 00:08:27,480 we have all kinds of people hitting the API. But we're also 139 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,630 going like, Hey, this is a resource I can get some data 140 00:08:30,630 --> 00:08:33,120 from as, am I correct in that? 141 00:08:33,450 --> 00:08:36,840 Yeah, I think I've noticed that as well. Yeah, there's some new 142 00:08:36,870 --> 00:08:41,310 names like you can I can tell when people are signing up for 143 00:08:41,310 --> 00:08:45,180 the API's, you know. And like, there's a definite uptick this 144 00:08:45,180 --> 00:08:48,060 week. Definite. Yeah. So somebody so somebody is 145 00:08:48,060 --> 00:08:48,900 interested in something. 146 00:08:48,930 --> 00:08:54,180 Yeah. So they wanted me to, I guess, talk about it was, you 147 00:08:54,180 --> 00:08:58,470 know, Rob said, Daniel, can you come by Wednesday, and we'll, 148 00:08:58,710 --> 00:09:03,450 we'll talk about podcasting. 2.0 Now, luckily, you've heard the 149 00:09:03,450 --> 00:09:12,270 show. Did I go too far? Did I did I spank too hard? Did I come 150 00:09:12,270 --> 00:09:16,380 across as a total? Douchebag because I owe everything I said, 151 00:09:16,380 --> 00:09:20,130 I really mean that with love, and respect, you know, and it's 152 00:09:20,130 --> 00:09:22,980 very hard to tell your friends like, Hey, man, I think you 153 00:09:22,980 --> 00:09:25,320 should be doing something else. You should be thinking of 154 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:26,340 something else. You know, 155 00:09:26,970 --> 00:09:31,620 I think you can say that. I think you can say those things 156 00:09:31,620 --> 00:09:34,710 too. I mean, we all have these relationships where, you know, I 157 00:09:34,710 --> 00:09:38,670 can say things to to a friend of mine that somebody else couldn't 158 00:09:38,670 --> 00:09:43,440 say. Right. And I think that was the relationship there were I 159 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,400 mean, you you have innocence been in the trenches, because 160 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,090 you're talking about Ron Blum and all these things that have 161 00:09:51,090 --> 00:09:53,940 happened in the past and so, you're you've been in the 162 00:09:53,940 --> 00:09:58,980 trenches with Todd and rob it for you know, back in the days 163 00:09:58,980 --> 00:10:02,010 when when all this stuff was just brand spanking new. And 164 00:10:02,010 --> 00:10:06,120 you're trying to each start businesses as well and grow them 165 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,000 into something that would would work and that kind of thing. So 166 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,240 I think, I mean, because y'all have been in in the trenches 167 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:16,620 together for so long, from different sides of the industry, 168 00:10:16,890 --> 00:10:19,200 I think, I think you can say those kinds of things. And I 169 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,350 think I think they take it at his face, I think they take it 170 00:10:22,350 --> 00:10:25,650 at face value as to what it is just, it's your face your 171 00:10:25,650 --> 00:10:30,180 hunches and your advice, which tend to be correct. You know, I 172 00:10:30,180 --> 00:10:34,980 mean, like, look, look at history on the most mostly your 173 00:10:34,980 --> 00:10:39,120 your track record is, is pretty spot on. So I think I think they 174 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,320 take it well. I didn't I didn't, I didn't, I didn't hear any, you 175 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:44,370 know, any kind of grumble 176 00:10:44,460 --> 00:10:47,340 well, but I was also trying to do was trying to tell them, you 177 00:10:47,340 --> 00:10:52,560 know, it's like, hey, other other people in your space, are 178 00:10:52,590 --> 00:10:57,240 pulling ahead of you. And it's fine. But I'd hate to see you 179 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,360 just kind of you know, when something big pops and you've 180 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,020 got to scramble, that's gonna suck. Because it will happen. 181 00:11:04,050 --> 00:11:07,770 It's something this how it goes in podcasting. I know, it may be 182 00:11:07,770 --> 00:11:11,640 a month, it may be two years, I don't know. Something's gonna 183 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:16,110 pop and then a wave will come. And you know, just having a an 184 00:11:16,110 --> 00:11:20,730 open. My whole mission was to say cheese, guys, I know, I know 185 00:11:20,730 --> 00:11:24,540 that you have to make choices. But don't you see that? That 186 00:11:24,690 --> 00:11:28,590 Facebook and Spotify and they don't care about you? There's a 187 00:11:28,590 --> 00:11:32,430 lot of people over here who love you and care about you. So 188 00:11:32,610 --> 00:11:33,960 implement some shit. 189 00:11:34,530 --> 00:11:38,040 Yeah, yeah. The the in the independent podcasting 190 00:11:38,070 --> 00:11:43,710 ecosystem. They're committed, and they're people who are 191 00:11:43,710 --> 00:11:48,990 loyal. So those independent podcasters, they stick with, you 192 00:11:48,990 --> 00:11:51,180 know, there's always some that jump jump around from place to 193 00:11:51,180 --> 00:11:54,930 place. But in general, I mean, you have when somebody dedicated 194 00:11:54,930 --> 00:11:58,290 or like commits to a host, whether it be blue barrier, you 195 00:11:58,290 --> 00:12:02,160 know, Lipson or Buzzsprout, or RSS calm or any of these guys, 196 00:12:02,220 --> 00:12:07,950 typically, they stick with those folks for a long time. And we 197 00:12:07,950 --> 00:12:11,010 still have we have to remember that. I think it's good to 198 00:12:11,010 --> 00:12:15,780 remember this that a huge portion of the independent 199 00:12:15,780 --> 00:12:19,860 podcasting ecosystem are creators who don't care about 200 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:21,840 making money off their podcast. Yeah. 201 00:12:21,839 --> 00:12:25,529 And I reminded them of that as well. It's like, you know, stop 202 00:12:25,529 --> 00:12:28,499 with all the growing your show and advertising. Some people 203 00:12:28,499 --> 00:12:29,579 just want to podcast. 204 00:12:31,500 --> 00:12:35,430 I mean, look at the lady that, that James and Sam interviewed, 205 00:12:35,610 --> 00:12:39,990 who got her show on the US Virgin Airlines, airlines, and 206 00:12:40,020 --> 00:12:44,880 delta. She's like, Yeah, she she's, that is a show with wide 207 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,750 rage. And she's not kitchen and care about monetizing. And she's 208 00:12:48,750 --> 00:12:51,630 like, this is a passion project. And I think there's that, but 209 00:12:51,630 --> 00:12:54,840 that's also a monetization in just not in coin. 210 00:12:56,670 --> 00:13:01,770 It's a in so and that's unique to podcasting. I think when it 211 00:13:01,770 --> 00:13:05,400 comes to media, now, you may have something similar to that 212 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:10,230 in like, like a local music scene where you have some bands 213 00:13:10,230 --> 00:13:13,260 that are just, you know, they go around, and they they pretend to 214 00:13:13,260 --> 00:13:15,480 play in clubs and make a little bit of money just to cover 215 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,970 expenses, but they don't, they just do it because they love it. 216 00:13:17,970 --> 00:13:21,810 It's not because they're trying to make a career out of it. That 217 00:13:21,810 --> 00:13:23,700 may be the only thing that I could think of that would be 218 00:13:23,700 --> 00:13:27,030 slightly comparable to that. But I mean, in general, when it 219 00:13:27,030 --> 00:13:30,840 comes to media, podcasting to have almost 50%, the number I 220 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:35,310 saw was like 47%, of podcasters. This has been a few months ago. 221 00:13:36,570 --> 00:13:39,810 They don't care anything about monitoring, right? I mean that 222 00:13:39,810 --> 00:13:43,920 to have almost half your industry, paying you paying you 223 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,100 every month for your product, but they themselves are not 224 00:13:47,100 --> 00:13:50,580 trying to get any money out of it. That's pretty amazing. 225 00:13:50,730 --> 00:13:54,870 So on the heels of that, I got an interesting note from a buddy 226 00:13:54,870 --> 00:13:59,790 of mine, Dutch guy who's one of these guys. He's been at really 227 00:13:59,790 --> 00:14:05,010 big companies and very important positions. And I mean, one, I 228 00:14:05,010 --> 00:14:07,680 don't want to mention it, but I can tell you that he's on the on 229 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:11,160 the board of we transfer. And he's actually he's Dutch. So I 230 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:15,330 know him from I know him way, way back. But now he lives in 231 00:14:15,330 --> 00:14:18,540 Italy, or I don't know. So I think he's just kind of mucking 232 00:14:18,540 --> 00:14:21,960 around. He doesn't have a gig right now. But he's on the board 233 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,110 if we transfer and he says, Adam, you know, I'm trying to 234 00:14:25,110 --> 00:14:27,870 move for two years but trying to motivate the management here. 235 00:14:28,050 --> 00:14:32,370 What can we do to move into it now? His words, right? Web three 236 00:14:32,370 --> 00:14:41,760 crypto and an NFT. Okay, so So but I hit him back I said, Well, 237 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:46,560 here's the opportunity. What if it now I don't know what web 238 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,040 three is? To me. It's actually the antithesis of centralized 239 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:56,460 services like we transfer or what what if we worked with we 240 00:14:56,460 --> 00:15:02,310 transfer as a storage facility so they open up an API now I'm 241 00:15:02,310 --> 00:15:07,320 totally thinking ln, what is it? What was it? We looked at this a 242 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,470 long time ago. Dave, where you pay for the API was Satoshis on 243 00:15:10,470 --> 00:15:15,570 lightning. Oh, LSAT, LSAT. Yeah. So I'm thinking LSAT, and you 244 00:15:15,570 --> 00:15:19,410 can hook up anything at now they could, they could do this with 245 00:15:19,410 --> 00:15:24,210 podcasting. But think of the interesting interface for music 246 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,560 using the index, or podcasting for that matter. Where the 247 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,880 payment is per access and not, you know, not like a flat rate 248 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,270 or, you know, some some other mechanism that brings it more 249 00:15:36,270 --> 00:15:39,630 into the value for value chain, or maybe there's just a value 250 00:15:39,630 --> 00:15:42,750 split, they seem to be open to talking about all kinds of 251 00:15:42,750 --> 00:15:46,650 different stuff. They just want to diversify their services and 252 00:15:46,650 --> 00:15:52,770 ultimately, their store and forward. Right. I don't know, I 253 00:15:52,770 --> 00:15:54,960 just had to had a thought, you know, it's like, oh, maybe curio 254 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,480 caster might hook into that. I mean, all kinds of fun stuff 255 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:58,050 could happen. 256 00:15:58,590 --> 00:16:01,320 Yes, the first thing I thought of too, is Kira caster, because 257 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:05,310 then, you know, Steven needs a place to store those enclosures. 258 00:16:06,870 --> 00:16:09,180 Right, in any that this, 259 00:16:09,210 --> 00:16:11,580 but also how about, how about storage, if you know, 260 00:16:11,580 --> 00:16:14,430 transcripts, you know, all of this stuff, but there's all 261 00:16:14,430 --> 00:16:17,520 kinds of stuff that they could be diversifying into without 262 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,810 really, you know, without ruining their core business? I 263 00:16:21,810 --> 00:16:24,240 guess? I don't know. It's just these things are out there. You 264 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,230 know. So going back to, to our, you know, our our friends in the 265 00:16:28,230 --> 00:16:31,320 hosting business. And there's just a lot going on? 266 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,980 Well, it goes, that kind of brings the thing back around to 267 00:16:34,980 --> 00:16:40,860 what I think what we've been saying for a while is that that 268 00:16:40,950 --> 00:16:43,770 the store, the storage and stuff is so cheap, that it's not a 269 00:16:43,770 --> 00:16:49,650 moneymaker to sell bandwidth anymore. Exactly. Really, the 270 00:16:49,740 --> 00:16:55,380 value of a podcast hosting company comes from the tools 271 00:16:55,380 --> 00:16:59,520 that they provide. And I to me, really, that's the only value 272 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:04,740 because you can take you can set up, right, right now. You we 273 00:17:04,740 --> 00:17:09,120 could instead of, you know, publishing this show to your 274 00:17:09,120 --> 00:17:15,210 CDN, we could go and publish it on a object storage somewhere on 275 00:17:15,210 --> 00:17:17,730 AWS or whatever, and then put CloudFront in front of it to 276 00:17:17,730 --> 00:17:22,380 cache. And it's not going to be any more expensive than a 277 00:17:22,380 --> 00:17:25,830 hosting company, or automation. You would you go ahead, no, 278 00:17:25,830 --> 00:17:28,710 please go ahead. The reason you would use a hosting company is 279 00:17:28,710 --> 00:17:32,250 not because you're going to you're solving a stat, you know, 280 00:17:32,250 --> 00:17:36,030 a $1,200 a month, bandwidth bill, reason use a hosting 281 00:17:36,030 --> 00:17:40,500 company is because doing it all yourself in the publishing tools 282 00:17:40,950 --> 00:17:44,970 is a pain in the butt, right? And you don't have access to all 283 00:17:44,970 --> 00:17:48,060 the features and everything that you so from your standpoint, 284 00:17:48,060 --> 00:17:51,660 what you're telling, you know, Todd and Robin in anybody else's 285 00:17:51,660 --> 00:17:55,380 hosting business, it'll listen is that you have number one, I 286 00:17:55,380 --> 00:17:59,580 think you think you have to double down on your core, on 287 00:17:59,580 --> 00:18:02,580 your core. And a large percentage of that core is going 288 00:18:02,580 --> 00:18:05,610 to be people who don't care about monetizing. And then also 289 00:18:05,610 --> 00:18:10,020 you have to make sure that your value that you're giving to the 290 00:18:10,020 --> 00:18:18,150 core to your audience, is is what you think it is. So like 291 00:18:18,150 --> 00:18:20,700 what I mean is you're you're not you're not a bandwidth company, 292 00:18:20,700 --> 00:18:25,110 you're a tool provider. And so in any feature provider, so you, 293 00:18:25,470 --> 00:18:29,550 you have to continue to add tools and add features. And and 294 00:18:29,550 --> 00:18:31,590 I think everybody understands this, but but as you're going to 295 00:18:31,590 --> 00:18:36,300 come to a point where the features that you're adding are 296 00:18:36,300 --> 00:18:39,570 going to be stuff that is going to protect your business from 297 00:18:39,570 --> 00:18:43,650 competition from walled gardens. And at that point, that's where 298 00:18:43,650 --> 00:18:45,570 the podcasting 2.0 stuff comes from. 299 00:18:45,869 --> 00:18:52,649 Yes. And it made me it made me mad because Well, Matt is not 300 00:18:52,649 --> 00:18:55,709 exactly right. But Todd threw up the well, you know, if anyone 301 00:18:55,709 --> 00:18:59,279 starts supporting these, I'm like, Okay, now you got to stop. 302 00:18:59,309 --> 00:19:03,329 There's 10 apps, or more supporting these features. You 303 00:19:03,329 --> 00:19:07,109 have no excuse anymore. It's just no excuse. Now, if you're 304 00:19:07,109 --> 00:19:08,879 going to sit around and wait for Apple, okay. 305 00:19:10,890 --> 00:19:16,500 Yeah, I think that we talk a little bit about that. With I 306 00:19:16,500 --> 00:19:19,080 can't remember it was on air off air yesterday when I was talking 307 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,440 to Chris Fisher. And, you know, I was telling him he was asking 308 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,920 about a couple of specific podcast apps that I won't 309 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,170 mention, he's like, are, you know, they do anything with 310 00:19:28,170 --> 00:19:31,050 this? Are they doing anything with this? And, you know, what I 311 00:19:31,050 --> 00:19:33,390 told him is I'm like, you know, I don't it doesn't that doesn't 312 00:19:33,390 --> 00:19:38,700 bother me. They're going to, they're going to because that's 313 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:43,260 the roadmap that has now become the roadmap, things like 314 00:19:43,260 --> 00:19:50,790 transcripts, chapters, sound bites. These things are not just 315 00:19:51,360 --> 00:19:55,470 sort of optional things that some apps can do and some apps 316 00:19:55,470 --> 00:19:59,760 can't. It's on every these things are on every apps radar 317 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,090 and a Every apps roadmap, it's just a matter of where they are 318 00:20:03,090 --> 00:20:07,530 in the priority list. But if it takes a year for one app to do 319 00:20:07,530 --> 00:20:10,110 it, or three months for a different app to do it, they're 320 00:20:10,110 --> 00:20:13,650 all going to do it. Yeah, I agree. Because we, I mean, we've 321 00:20:13,650 --> 00:20:18,240 paved the road, forward comments. I mean, you know, as 322 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:24,060 soon as one app puts in kick ass comments, distributed comments, 323 00:20:24,120 --> 00:20:27,480 oh, it's, that's gonna be game over you. You've got to do every 324 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,240 but every other app is going to need to support that. Yeah. 325 00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:34,080 Because I mean, it's just the way that these things go. Well, 326 00:20:34,079 --> 00:20:38,879 speaking, not worried about it. Speaking of such cross platform 327 00:20:38,879 --> 00:20:43,829 comments. Do you have any idea where we're at? I have no idea. 328 00:20:43,829 --> 00:20:44,699 I have no idea. 329 00:20:45,329 --> 00:20:46,679 I mean, pod verse. 330 00:20:46,770 --> 00:20:48,060 I watch the pod versus not 331 00:20:48,059 --> 00:20:52,349 an arrows. They go why? Mitch took some arrows, you know, 332 00:20:52,349 --> 00:20:54,419 getting in there and digging in and learning this stuff. 333 00:20:54,599 --> 00:20:57,269 Right. But has he has he put anything in that we can see this 334 00:20:57,269 --> 00:20:57,719 working? 335 00:20:58,559 --> 00:21:00,929 Yeah, yeah. It's, it's on the list on the web on the web 336 00:21:00,929 --> 00:21:04,709 version. Okay. Yeah. The web version? Yeah. Yeah. It's like 337 00:21:04,709 --> 00:21:08,039 this policy, pod version, pod friend, both surface these 338 00:21:08,039 --> 00:21:11,219 comments. And what one thing that's happening that I like a 339 00:21:11,219 --> 00:21:17,009 lot is it's scary to do something like this in your app, 340 00:21:17,009 --> 00:21:22,109 because I mean, holy cow, what are you doing? Right? You don't 341 00:21:22,109 --> 00:21:24,629 just drop this thing in there out of the sky. I mean, you have 342 00:21:24,629 --> 00:21:29,999 to like, it's, it's a big lift. So I was really appreciative 343 00:21:29,999 --> 00:21:32,969 that Mitch, like I said, took the arrows and was willing to 344 00:21:33,299 --> 00:21:38,399 just risk it. Oh, yeah, totally. But then. So one thing I'm 345 00:21:38,399 --> 00:21:42,629 excited about, though, is John Spurlock has been doing a deep 346 00:21:42,629 --> 00:21:47,189 dive into activity pub, and he's been documenting everything that 347 00:21:47,189 --> 00:21:48,119 he's discovering 348 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,899 Holy crap, I'm sorry. Holy crap, this looks good. 349 00:21:52,890 --> 00:21:54,270 That is slick. And 350 00:21:54,599 --> 00:21:57,599 on pod verse, the comments. Yeah, no, we just can't comment 351 00:21:57,599 --> 00:21:59,459 back yet. We can't add a comment. 352 00:21:59,789 --> 00:22:02,309 Right. And see, that's the part that's one of the things this 353 00:22:02,339 --> 00:22:06,359 this burlock is talking about. That's in his documents that 354 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:10,139 he's sort of, I don't know what you call it journaling. As he 355 00:22:10,139 --> 00:22:13,379 goes, he's he's part of it, as poet is posting back, and all 356 00:22:13,379 --> 00:22:16,799 this kind of stuff. So I think, I think we're gonna see this 357 00:22:16,799 --> 00:22:21,509 stuff begin to accelerate over the next, you know, two, three 358 00:22:21,509 --> 00:22:24,839 months, which would be amazing. 359 00:22:25,289 --> 00:22:28,799 The whole I haven't really paid much attention to I know that 360 00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:32,009 he's also been working a lot on the UI. And this is really, this 361 00:22:32,009 --> 00:22:35,669 is really nice. You got drop shadows in there and shit and 362 00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:36,539 holy crap. 363 00:22:37,379 --> 00:22:39,899 It's almost as good looking is one of my things. 364 00:22:42,089 --> 00:22:46,019 Why yes, you're so right. Dave. Your interfaces are most 365 00:22:46,020 --> 00:22:48,090 say, yes, they're beautiful. 366 00:22:49,289 --> 00:22:56,519 Text Link. Yeah, right. I'm very excited about that. Also, we 367 00:22:56,519 --> 00:23:00,059 promised we would talk briefly about Ryan's transcript service 368 00:23:00,059 --> 00:23:02,399 that he's been working on if you've been following on the 369 00:23:02,399 --> 00:23:02,909 email. 370 00:23:03,390 --> 00:23:07,830 I've been following passively. Because I don't really have a I 371 00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:10,050 don't have shows to publish transcript to and I know you've 372 00:23:10,050 --> 00:23:13,050 been, you've been kind of looking at it, can you? Can you 373 00:23:13,050 --> 00:23:15,360 catch me up on what's been done? 374 00:23:15,569 --> 00:23:20,789 Yeah. So he, in essence, he has an automated type service where 375 00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:23,099 you publish and then the transcript is automatically 376 00:23:23,099 --> 00:23:26,429 created. It's a known URL, so you can pre publish with that. 377 00:23:26,459 --> 00:23:29,249 And you don't have to do anything. No uploading of files. 378 00:23:29,249 --> 00:23:33,089 It just works if I understand it correctly, which, holy shit. 379 00:23:33,089 --> 00:23:40,049 Isn't that what I want? The problem is the he I think it's 380 00:23:40,049 --> 00:23:47,489 the either the output file Wait, no, I think it's just a part of 381 00:23:47,489 --> 00:23:53,639 it is his service is doing Takt Time tagging by word I think. 382 00:23:54,569 --> 00:24:01,229 And not by every two lines. We have to dive into it. Okay. In 383 00:24:01,229 --> 00:24:04,769 fact, maybe, maybe I should put it this way. Hey, Dave. We have 384 00:24:04,769 --> 00:24:07,559 some time helped me on this Ryan Tapscott transcripts servers 385 00:24:07,559 --> 00:24:11,069 because I'm a little lost. I'm not quite sure what to do. And I 386 00:24:11,069 --> 00:24:15,779 want to I want to implement it. But I'm afraid because I know 387 00:24:15,779 --> 00:24:18,539 what happens when you when you screw something up in the RSS 388 00:24:18,539 --> 00:24:22,049 feed, and I've just become older and wiser. So I'm very careful. 389 00:24:22,049 --> 00:24:25,049 Even though I'm itching I'm itching to do stuff. It's like 390 00:24:25,049 --> 00:24:28,199 the same with you know, I haven't quite figured out I 391 00:24:28,199 --> 00:24:31,619 mean, I can but I haven't quite figured out how to post 392 00:24:31,649 --> 00:24:38,009 something like a no agenda in a comment with with my 393 00:24:38,009 --> 00:24:41,669 credentials, I have to find them on no agenda social calm, so I 394 00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:44,219 need some help with that. Because I think that if I do 395 00:24:44,219 --> 00:24:46,799 that from no agenda, social everyone posting commenting on 396 00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:49,529 my initial post that shows up in the app, and that'll look pretty 397 00:24:49,529 --> 00:24:50,549 damn cool, right? 398 00:24:51,030 --> 00:24:53,100 Oh, yeah. Yeah, that would that would look great. Yeah. So it's 399 00:24:53,100 --> 00:24:56,370 these little things that I need some help on because I'm afraid 400 00:24:56,490 --> 00:25:00,960 and I just want to screw it up. It's it's Not just don't live by 401 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,410 fear, Adam, I hear I'm definitely afraid because it's 402 00:25:04,410 --> 00:25:07,350 all the emails and the tweets and everything is just like my 403 00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:12,480 whole, the timeline of my life becomes polluted with. Hey, man. 404 00:25:14,340 --> 00:25:24,930 That's the way Hey, man. You didn't upload it to iTunes yet 405 00:25:24,930 --> 00:25:27,930 I'm very excited about that kind of service, you know that I 406 00:25:27,930 --> 00:25:30,210 desperately want to have something like that. How 407 00:25:30,210 --> 00:25:32,010 beautiful would that be so easy. 408 00:25:32,819 --> 00:25:36,329 You know what I'm looking for right now. Todd on the new media 409 00:25:36,329 --> 00:25:38,429 shows that he had a mastodon server. 410 00:25:40,980 --> 00:25:45,840 But he uses his podcast index account when he posts with us 411 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:46,590 and maybe, 412 00:25:47,250 --> 00:25:51,150 maybe, no, who knows. And I'm trying to find trying to find 413 00:25:51,150 --> 00:25:54,630 the the geek News Central Mastodon because I was gonna see 414 00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:58,290 if I could post something over there about about the show. 415 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,670 Like, Oh, I get it over there. Yeah, we also try to comment on 416 00:26:02,670 --> 00:26:03,840 it. I see. I see. 417 00:26:05,339 --> 00:26:09,929 I'll look back. I'll look at Ryan's thing of I've just been 418 00:26:10,079 --> 00:26:12,539 reading the emails as they come in, but I'll dig into it. 419 00:26:13,169 --> 00:26:14,699 Alright, quick heli pad update. 420 00:26:15,660 --> 00:26:20,790 Well, actually, I talked to on telegram this morning. I talked 421 00:26:20,790 --> 00:26:27,570 to Luke Childs, who seems to be the I hope I'm Miss speaking 422 00:26:27,570 --> 00:26:29,970 here. But he seems to be the lead developer on the Emerald 423 00:26:29,970 --> 00:26:35,520 side of things. So he was trying to test out. This is funny. 424 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:40,260 Okay. So he was trying to test out the help pad app for the 425 00:26:40,290 --> 00:26:43,410 they've got a new release coming up in a few days. So he's trying 426 00:26:43,410 --> 00:26:49,170 to get get it all tested. And he's He says, Yeah, and I need 427 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,560 it's running, but it says there's nothing show. So okay, 428 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:57,570 well, me and Brian of London. Both said well, we can send you 429 00:26:57,570 --> 00:27:01,290 some booster grams if you send us the note ID and as a test. 430 00:27:01,590 --> 00:27:04,890 And so he messages me on telegram I think he messaged 431 00:27:04,890 --> 00:27:07,770 Brian also, but he deems me on telegrams, like you know, okay, 432 00:27:07,770 --> 00:27:10,950 here, it's setup. Here's the note ID and a sin and once the 433 00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:14,190 pod friend and I'm not sure if pod friends value for value 434 00:27:14,190 --> 00:27:18,450 might be broken. But a couple of times, I've tried to send things 435 00:27:18,450 --> 00:27:20,220 through pod friend and it has not gone through. 436 00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:24,270 I haven't seen that problem. I switch back and forth. I have 437 00:27:24,270 --> 00:27:29,130 been using pod friend. I I can check and see if Yeah, so I've 438 00:27:29,130 --> 00:27:32,970 seen pod friend booster grams come into my node. I have 439 00:27:32,970 --> 00:27:36,330 noticed some some things where you just get a blue screen and 440 00:27:36,330 --> 00:27:38,490 it doesn't really catch. 441 00:27:39,089 --> 00:27:42,839 Yeah, I'm not sure. That's right. I tried to send to him 442 00:27:42,839 --> 00:27:46,889 through a pot for and it didn't work. So he's like, Well, you 443 00:27:46,889 --> 00:27:49,259 know, don't worry about it. Well, you know, it's getting 444 00:27:49,259 --> 00:27:52,109 late here. I'll you know, I'll pick this back up in the 445 00:27:52,109 --> 00:27:53,429 morning. And 446 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,240 yeah, I just informed I got I got I got from pod friend. 447 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,640 Okay, well, just so he you know, he bails out of the emails out 448 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,430 of the telegram chat. And then just I'm like, Okay, well, I'll 449 00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:11,670 just get a send you one through curio caster just for giggles. 450 00:28:12,090 --> 00:28:15,180 So I just shoot one in I didn't tell him I was doing that shoot 451 00:28:15,180 --> 00:28:18,240 one through kyria caster. And he comes back on the telegram chat 452 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,830 and he was like, whoa. He was like, I just got something with 453 00:28:22,830 --> 00:28:23,370 a Pew 454 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,650 delight like, man, if your lights it does, he was like, 455 00:28:28,649 --> 00:28:33,629 this is rad, man. This is cool. So it's working. It's working. 456 00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:39,629 And so he got he got at work. And he he had one good point 457 00:28:39,629 --> 00:28:42,179 that we're going to need to fix. And I just didn't think about 458 00:28:42,179 --> 00:28:46,259 this, which is he said, Aren't you it looks like you're 459 00:28:46,259 --> 00:28:50,669 referencing external images within Helpout app. I said, 460 00:28:50,669 --> 00:28:54,299 Yeah, it's those the app images, you know, yeah, they're, they're 461 00:28:54,299 --> 00:28:57,809 coming off our website. And I said, Well, yeah, because I, in 462 00:28:57,809 --> 00:29:00,599 case we add new apps, I wanted it to be dynamic, so I'm right 463 00:29:00,629 --> 00:29:03,929 to do a whole new release. And he said, Yeah, that's not gonna 464 00:29:03,929 --> 00:29:06,839 work, because you're leaking your IP address every time 465 00:29:06,869 --> 00:29:09,569 right? That's right. You're leaking out. That's right. You 466 00:29:09,569 --> 00:29:13,829 leak us. Yeah, you're leaking ever. 1000s of umbrellas are 467 00:29:13,829 --> 00:29:17,219 being sucked dry from their Bitcoin because of a suspicious 468 00:29:17,219 --> 00:29:18,659 leak of IP address? 469 00:29:18,930 --> 00:29:21,570 Yeah, coming from this new thing called hell. What 470 00:29:21,569 --> 00:29:24,419 is that? I don't know. But curry had one near his castle. 471 00:29:26,700 --> 00:29:29,490 So I was like, okay, yeah, you're you're right. gotta fix 472 00:29:29,490 --> 00:29:33,480 that. So I'm gonna do a new release. Hopefully today. It 473 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,200 fixes that and then the retest and try to get it back. Cool. 474 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:37,440 Well, 475 00:29:37,470 --> 00:29:41,280 we used for carrying the Keeper which we did yesterday, episode 476 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,010 number two, everybody. If you want to drink some wine, have a 477 00:29:44,010 --> 00:29:48,990 little chat use the juice. And so I just went into heli pad. I 478 00:29:48,990 --> 00:29:54,630 just, you know, show older boost. And I did a CTRL A Ctrl C 479 00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:59,820 No, I'm sorry. No, that's that's what i i Here's how I started 480 00:29:59,820 --> 00:30:04,380 doing it, I took the database took a copy of that and did grep 481 00:30:04,380 --> 00:30:05,340 minus a 482 00:30:06,930 --> 00:30:09,510 keeper. Okay, wait, let me stop you right here real quick. That 483 00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:09,660 was 484 00:30:09,660 --> 00:30:12,960 really cool. Yeah, of course, it's a binary file. I know, I 485 00:30:13,529 --> 00:30:17,789 know, this is what this is what Adam does. Let me make a piece 486 00:30:17,789 --> 00:30:21,389 of software and you give it to him. You won't hear, you'll hear 487 00:30:21,389 --> 00:30:24,149 a couple of quick bug reports and the fix those and you won't 488 00:30:24,149 --> 00:30:28,769 hear anything for a month. And then the next time you talk, you 489 00:30:28,769 --> 00:30:31,799 say, oh, yeah, how's this thing? This thing going? And what Adam 490 00:30:31,799 --> 00:30:34,889 will do is we'll say, yeah, there's been this one little 491 00:30:34,889 --> 00:30:38,339 thing that had to work around. And then we find out that it was 492 00:30:38,339 --> 00:30:42,149 this long as huge workaround for something that you could fix in 493 00:30:42,299 --> 00:30:45,779 10 seconds. And he's been doing this every day for a month. 494 00:30:46,380 --> 00:30:50,190 Because I don't want to bother you. Now, yes. 495 00:30:50,610 --> 00:30:53,220 So what is this control A Pew thing? 496 00:30:54,089 --> 00:30:57,779 Well, no, first first, I was because I wanted because I have 497 00:30:58,319 --> 00:31:01,739 a mo facts split on this. So I can track the booster grams of 498 00:31:01,739 --> 00:31:05,369 God. You know, so a couple of different splits that I get no, 499 00:31:05,369 --> 00:31:08,039 and so I can see, but it's all mixed up in one timeline. So I 500 00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:11,219 needed to separate that out. So the first thing I tried to grab 501 00:31:11,219 --> 00:31:13,139 the database I'm like, well, maybe it can look in this 502 00:31:13,139 --> 00:31:18,059 database, you know, it's like more database.db binary file 503 00:31:18,059 --> 00:31:25,469 reject. They're like okay, let's do more database.db grep pipe to 504 00:31:25,469 --> 00:31:30,209 grep switch a and then keeper and it gave me all the lines. It 505 00:31:30,209 --> 00:31:32,369 was perfect. Oh, this is fantastic. But it was almost 506 00:31:32,369 --> 00:31:34,799 unreadable. And then I just like you know, how about this, I went 507 00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:39,149 to the web, I went to the the web interface, clicked it on it 508 00:31:39,149 --> 00:31:41,759 and you got all the all the booster grams, and then did 509 00:31:42,419 --> 00:31:46,559 select, you know, copy and then select all copy and then paste 510 00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:50,159 it into an outline, and then just manually removed all that 511 00:31:50,189 --> 00:31:54,239 there's Adams work around, manually. All of the shit away. 512 00:31:54,569 --> 00:31:57,749 Until I only had the Korean the keeper booster grams, 513 00:31:58,260 --> 00:32:01,020 and years you're still looking for this is all to try to fix 514 00:32:01,020 --> 00:32:02,580 the lack of a CSV. That's 515 00:32:02,579 --> 00:32:06,509 correct. That is correct. That's the whole reason I'm doing this 516 00:32:06,569 --> 00:32:09,419 next release, baby. I love you for that. Hey, you know, 517 00:32:09,419 --> 00:32:14,909 speaking of features and apps, and I do want to say as we near 518 00:32:14,909 --> 00:32:19,259 the end of the year, I am so proud of everybody at podcast 519 00:32:19,259 --> 00:32:22,469 index dot social. Everyone has been working on this stuff 520 00:32:22,469 --> 00:32:27,269 podcasting. 2.0 totally app developers. Holy, holy moly, 521 00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:31,499 crap, what a year. It's, it's unbelievable. This is going at 522 00:32:31,499 --> 00:32:37,829 five times the speed of 1.0. It really is and fun to watch. And 523 00:32:37,859 --> 00:32:41,579 when I see articles showing up that don't mention podcast 524 00:32:41,579 --> 00:32:45,509 index, Adam curry, Dave Jones, anything like that. And it's 525 00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:48,779 just about podcasting. 2.0 I get excited 526 00:32:49,409 --> 00:32:51,569 that I like that too. Yeah, I like that. You 527 00:32:51,569 --> 00:32:54,329 know, it's like, okay, this is what I want. I want people to 528 00:32:54,359 --> 00:32:57,239 forget about what we're doing over here. Just can we use it? 529 00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:59,699 Are we at that level, but we're getting there. We're getting 530 00:32:59,699 --> 00:33:01,049 there. Okay, I 531 00:33:01,049 --> 00:33:04,739 want it to be. I want it to just be a thing that exists. 532 00:33:04,829 --> 00:33:07,949 And we're getting there with the help of our guests in the 533 00:33:07,979 --> 00:33:11,039 boardroom today who have been patiently waiting as Dave and I 534 00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:13,649 had been yapping away just catching up our own little tea 535 00:33:13,649 --> 00:33:17,849 party. From podcast guru, we welcome Jason Hudgens and Joseph 536 00:33:17,849 --> 00:33:18,239 Hill. 537 00:33:19,410 --> 00:33:23,190 Hey, hey guys, how you guys doing right? 538 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,830 I actually want to show yeah, we should be doing Hey, guys. 539 00:33:25,860 --> 00:33:28,410 That's how we supposed to do it. Day. We got to coordinate you 540 00:33:28,410 --> 00:33:29,550 guys. Hey, guys. 541 00:33:29,579 --> 00:33:30,599 Hey, there. I like Hey, 542 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,530 there. Hey there. Go ahead. 543 00:33:35,010 --> 00:33:39,180 Yeah, I was gonna say, I have been wanting to trying to get 544 00:33:39,180 --> 00:33:43,950 Jason and dropping the ball for so long. And it's like, you've 545 00:33:44,220 --> 00:33:49,920 you've been quietly podcast Guru is off my radar screen for most 546 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,310 of each week, because I'm so focused on boosting and 547 00:33:53,340 --> 00:33:56,610 histograms and, and there's no value for value in it. So I end 548 00:33:56,610 --> 00:34:00,780 up in it ends up getting pushed to the side of my phone. And so 549 00:34:00,780 --> 00:34:05,190 I only use it about once a week. And but you've been quietly like 550 00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:08,400 adding just feature after feature after feature. And I 551 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,850 mean, you've got like, You got so much podcasting 2.0 stuff in 552 00:34:11,850 --> 00:34:16,590 there now. It's such a like, it's just a beautiful app. We 553 00:34:16,590 --> 00:34:20,730 had it. When did y'all. So I want to I want to start off with 554 00:34:20,730 --> 00:34:24,930 some text. And I know that there's bigger sort of higher 555 00:34:24,930 --> 00:34:28,170 level stuff to talk about. But I want to, because you're one of 556 00:34:28,170 --> 00:34:33,450 the only apps that did it has Android and iOS and a lot of 2.0 557 00:34:33,450 --> 00:34:38,100 stuff in it. And I want to know, just if you can tell me what 558 00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:42,090 framework you're using for being able to do that. Or are you do 559 00:34:42,090 --> 00:34:43,500 you have separate code bases? 560 00:34:44,190 --> 00:34:47,790 They're completely separate. So Android is mostly Java with a 561 00:34:47,790 --> 00:34:51,420 little Kotlin. And iOS is a completely different app all in 562 00:34:51,420 --> 00:34:51,930 Swift. 563 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,120 Oh, wow. That's so I mean, okay, that, that leads me to my next 564 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,690 question. How big is your team? How many people 565 00:35:01,620 --> 00:35:06,660 it's, it's changed over the time over time. Right now. I'm a 566 00:35:06,690 --> 00:35:10,920 longtime Android Dev. So I do most of the Android stuff. And 567 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,370 then I've got another guy that helps me with more of the iOS 568 00:35:14,370 --> 00:35:19,620 stuff. And we started on a website too. But we haven't 569 00:35:20,340 --> 00:35:24,030 barely gotten in the podcast in two points stuff on the website. 570 00:35:24,030 --> 00:35:26,820 So I'm trying to learn some react in the background. 571 00:35:26,850 --> 00:35:30,390 Just want everyone to know that Jason is literally talking into 572 00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:34,560 a webcam right now just to actually sound to have some kind 573 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,980 of volume on the show. And and I apologize, there's literally no 574 00:35:37,980 --> 00:35:40,920 technical way for me to add a little, a little high end to 575 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:41,430 Jason's. 576 00:35:41,820 --> 00:35:45,090 It's a good visual though with a holding a webcam. And I envision 577 00:35:45,090 --> 00:35:45,240 one 578 00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:51,720 of those Logitech balls, you know. This is what you sound 579 00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:56,340 like. You're now on the show. Yeah. We got to get Jason to 580 00:35:56,340 --> 00:35:57,150 Mike everybody. 581 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,030 Yeah, we were talking about we were talking about that going 582 00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:07,260 into it, but it's gonna Jason is now just messing with his father 583 00:36:07,260 --> 00:36:10,410 keyboard all the time as deep in the bowels of the system. 584 00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:13,770 I'm just, I'm just messing with you. I have a thing for sound. 585 00:36:14,340 --> 00:36:18,300 So that's so that's Joseph. So Joseph, are you on the iOS side 586 00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:18,930 of things? 587 00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:23,550 No, I'm not. I'm actually more on the, on the marketing, 588 00:36:24,030 --> 00:36:25,050 business side of things. 589 00:36:25,830 --> 00:36:27,150 You're this, you get you get, 590 00:36:27,210 --> 00:36:28,800 ah, there we go. 591 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,240 Well, that's why that's why I focused on the microphone. 592 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,820 You're the guy that comes in is like, okay, it's lunch. 593 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,520 Lunch, I just want I get 594 00:36:41,610 --> 00:36:46,380 that's valuable, that is valuable. You know, role is 595 00:36:47,790 --> 00:36:49,680 important. I gotta keep productive people productive. 596 00:36:50,250 --> 00:36:54,060 So I just want to go back Jason for a second. So when When did 597 00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:56,790 podcast guru was first released? 598 00:36:58,620 --> 00:37:01,140 I won't say it's been out two years, I probably started 599 00:37:01,140 --> 00:37:03,480 working on it just as a hobby that four years ago. 600 00:37:04,049 --> 00:37:06,989 Right. Um, but it's been it's been kind of a staple of the 601 00:37:06,989 --> 00:37:10,229 Android world. If I'm not, if I'm not mistaken. I mean, I 602 00:37:10,229 --> 00:37:12,839 podcast guru on whenever I would, since I switched to 603 00:37:12,839 --> 00:37:16,379 graphene, iOS and Android. I've heard so many. And it's also a 604 00:37:16,379 --> 00:37:19,469 great branding. I think so I've heard so many people talk about 605 00:37:19,469 --> 00:37:23,129 it. Well, thanks. Um, it. You know, it started out, like I 606 00:37:23,129 --> 00:37:26,579 said, like a hobby project. And I just wasn't really happy with 607 00:37:26,579 --> 00:37:29,429 apps that were on Android at the time. So I said, okay, yeah, 608 00:37:29,489 --> 00:37:32,639 write my own. I've got some prior experience writing music 609 00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:35,849 app. So this is just take a few weeks. And now four years later, 610 00:37:35,849 --> 00:37:37,229 still working on it. 611 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,490 What kind of music music apps, what the, what's your history 612 00:37:41,490 --> 00:37:41,760 there? 613 00:37:42,810 --> 00:37:48,600 I'm back when Android first launched back in 2007. I really 614 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,960 dived into it. And it worked on a couple different projects. One 615 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,780 of them was an app called toon wiki, which I don't know how 616 00:37:54,780 --> 00:37:56,040 many people have ever heard of that. 617 00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:59,610 That sounds familiar. Another good name, actually. Yes. That's 618 00:37:59,610 --> 00:38:00,870 why it may sound familiar. 619 00:38:01,500 --> 00:38:06,960 It was so it was a, it was a crowdsource lyric app. That was 620 00:38:06,990 --> 00:38:10,950 it was basically just a music player for Android and iOS. And 621 00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:13,350 it had this feature, that's what's called a wiki where you 622 00:38:13,350 --> 00:38:17,310 could you could enter in song lyrics, and then you would 623 00:38:17,310 --> 00:38:20,190 timestamp them. So as the music played, it was almost like a 624 00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:26,010 little karaoke looking thing. But yeah, that was probably one 625 00:38:26,010 --> 00:38:31,170 of the funnest projects ever worked on and when that startup 626 00:38:31,170 --> 00:38:34,020 kind of died, and I went into the corporate world, I just, I 627 00:38:34,020 --> 00:38:36,120 just missed working on this collapse. 628 00:38:36,570 --> 00:38:41,550 Funny how the corporate world will do that. Yes, just chill 629 00:38:41,550 --> 00:38:47,700 stuff. So now that Dave was talking about the features, the 630 00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:51,450 pod The 2.0 features that you support, what I see on, this is 631 00:38:51,450 --> 00:38:56,760 a test, what I see on on the apps pages search transcript, 632 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,060 funding chapters, location, person season, am I missing 633 00:39:00,060 --> 00:39:00,570 anything? 634 00:39:01,860 --> 00:39:04,470 Thanks. That's it. And then we're gonna be adding some more 635 00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:08,070 soon. But basically, I got two or three of those, and I got 636 00:39:08,070 --> 00:39:11,940 some of the easier ones done. And then we wanted to, we really 637 00:39:11,940 --> 00:39:15,990 just stopped for about a year to work on the iOS app. And when it 638 00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:19,620 launched, I wanted one and both have kind of feature parity. So 639 00:39:19,620 --> 00:39:22,590 So we added some more and this is this is where we're at ours 640 00:39:22,590 --> 00:39:26,250 have only been out a few weeks, maybe a little over a month. And 641 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,400 once we've got all the bugs worked out there, we're gonna 642 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:34,350 keep adding some more PT tags, probably closure. Other stuff. 643 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,390 Oh, you're gonna do alternate? Oh, that's a good. That's a good 644 00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:38,640 one. Yeah, I had talked to you a while back and tried to get you 645 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,470 on the show. And you're like, hey, let's just hang loose. And 646 00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:43,980 because we're working hard and heavy on this iOS app, and maybe 647 00:39:43,980 --> 00:39:46,110 when that comes out, we can, you know, we can talk about at the 648 00:39:46,110 --> 00:39:50,010 same time, and I was in the beta, the test flight for it for 649 00:39:50,010 --> 00:39:54,000 a while and it's just, it's just such a pretty app. You know, one 650 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,960 thing that's hard to do, it's really hard to do from a UI 651 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:03,810 perspective is to get All the features into the UI, in a way 652 00:40:03,810 --> 00:40:07,410 that doesn't look like this kitchen sink of garbage 653 00:40:07,410 --> 00:40:11,430 everywhere. And so you end up like hiding things behind other 654 00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:15,390 things or putting little, little bitty, you know, widgets with 655 00:40:15,390 --> 00:40:20,700 hard to hit touch targets on them. And you've at, I don't see 656 00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:23,760 any of that problem in your UI, it looks like everything's just 657 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,620 very easy to access. 658 00:40:26,850 --> 00:40:30,060 Yeah, thanks. I mean, that's kind of our really target is to 659 00:40:30,060 --> 00:40:33,600 try to balance that. We don't have everything single feature 660 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,200 on under the sun. I'm trying to get the most important things in 661 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,260 there. But not but doing it in a way where people don't feel 662 00:40:40,260 --> 00:40:42,450 overloaded when they use the app for the first time. 663 00:40:42,990 --> 00:40:46,590 Yeah, yeah, that, uh, you did the UI yourself? Or do you have 664 00:40:46,590 --> 00:40:48,660 a designer or somebody that helps you with that. 665 00:40:49,710 --> 00:40:53,430 So we do have a graphic designer, most of the UI comes 666 00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:57,150 from just my history, like, I know how to put things together, 667 00:40:57,150 --> 00:41:00,660 but like, you know, the pixel by pixel stuff, we've got a really 668 00:41:00,660 --> 00:41:04,950 good graphic designer, Matt, and he, he helps put my ideas and 669 00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:09,480 make them real, and then we go out and build them. In I'll say, 670 00:41:09,540 --> 00:41:14,790 hit. Good. Just, I was just gonna say that my experience is 671 00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:19,170 mostly on Android. So Joseph has actually helped out a lot with 672 00:41:19,170 --> 00:41:22,470 Matt on is there more IOs guys? So team effort? 673 00:41:22,980 --> 00:41:25,560 What do you see is that I mean, this question for Joseph, what 674 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,820 is the the main audience? What is there? Is this a business? Is 675 00:41:29,820 --> 00:41:33,930 it a hobby? Is it hybrid is maybe in you know, where do you 676 00:41:33,930 --> 00:41:36,750 want to go? What do you want to communicate? what's the, what's 677 00:41:36,750 --> 00:41:39,690 the uniqueness of podcast guru? 678 00:41:40,290 --> 00:41:42,300 Yeah, I mean, I think it's, I think at the business, we'd like 679 00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:47,280 to see it, you know, be be something that, that could fill, 680 00:41:47,580 --> 00:41:50,730 you know, could fill all our time. Um, so I, you know, I 681 00:41:50,730 --> 00:41:53,220 think like, Jason kind of under sells it, because that's, that's 682 00:41:53,220 --> 00:41:57,120 the natural, you know, way of things that, you know, his his 683 00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,690 work and vision on it, like, you know, so he, he has this history 684 00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:03,690 with, with toon wiki, you know, going back to the like, before 685 00:42:03,690 --> 00:42:05,580 Android even launched, and they and Google was doing those 686 00:42:05,580 --> 00:42:10,200 competitions. And so like, he has his eye for, for, you know, 687 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:11,880 what the native experience should be like, but it was 688 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:16,410 really important for, for Android apps, especially in a 689 00:42:16,410 --> 00:42:19,230 market where, you know, so many the podcast apps target iOS 690 00:42:19,230 --> 00:42:23,640 first. So like, you know, as an iOS user, myself, I was mostly 691 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:28,530 cheering him on from the side. And, you know, like, hey, go 692 00:42:28,530 --> 00:42:30,810 after, you know, go after that audience, which I think he's 693 00:42:30,810 --> 00:42:33,810 just, you know, done. Like, right. And, you know, you asked 694 00:42:33,810 --> 00:42:36,540 that question earlier about what cross platform framework he was 695 00:42:36,540 --> 00:42:38,670 using, it's like, well, the number one, the number one thing 696 00:42:38,670 --> 00:42:40,740 was to have that native experience that, you know, 697 00:42:40,740 --> 00:42:42,840 injured people would appreciate, and it's just all about the 698 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,290 experience. So, you know, he's avoided, you know, from a 699 00:42:46,290 --> 00:42:49,260 business model perspective, like, it's not it, you know, it 700 00:42:49,380 --> 00:42:52,200 avoided the banner ad, you know, option, which is what, like 701 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,590 everybody else went for. And, you know, we're just right now, 702 00:42:55,590 --> 00:42:58,620 we kind of have it divided between, you know, we have, you 703 00:42:58,620 --> 00:43:02,340 know, we have, you know, some nice features in our 704 00:43:02,340 --> 00:43:06,000 subscription product. But we're more focused on just, you know, 705 00:43:06,330 --> 00:43:09,300 giving a great experience and growing, growing our audience 706 00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:12,270 and user base by giving people an experience that 707 00:43:13,110 --> 00:43:17,340 you have a subscription model, where people pay an X amount per 708 00:43:17,340 --> 00:43:17,730 month. 709 00:43:18,930 --> 00:43:23,850 It's a Yeah, it's a annual subscription. But yes, 710 00:43:24,690 --> 00:43:31,710 yes, that is free to use. Like just said, I really do not like 711 00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:34,680 the freemium model, where you put banner ads, and you kind of 712 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,920 force people to pay to do that. So so I decided to take a 713 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,050 different route, we were going to build some really nice 714 00:43:40,050 --> 00:43:44,040 premium features. So that works fine for free. But if you want 715 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:49,200 things like having a real time backup of your waitlist, and 716 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,080 everything, you got to pay for that. So that's our VIP, 717 00:43:52,110 --> 00:43:54,990 yeah, what else is in the VIP tier. 718 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,640 So right now, just three things, you can get fine grained 719 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,390 speaking roles, or you can really tune in the bass beat on 720 00:44:03,420 --> 00:44:07,200 per podcast, we have the best features, what I mentioned is 721 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:12,150 probably the the cloud seat. So it's a real time seek using 722 00:44:12,420 --> 00:44:15,720 Google's FireStore service in the backend. If you have Android 723 00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:21,180 and iOS or multiple devices, is like you can subscribe on one 724 00:44:21,180 --> 00:44:23,520 phone and see update on the other in real time. 725 00:44:24,690 --> 00:44:27,780 That's sexy, very nice. And we've kind 726 00:44:27,780 --> 00:44:31,170 of got that extended to web two. Like I said earlier, the web 727 00:44:31,170 --> 00:44:34,050 still needs a lot of work but you know, if you want to upgrade 728 00:44:34,050 --> 00:44:37,530 or you lose your phone, or something like that, it makes 729 00:44:37,530 --> 00:44:40,230 things really easy. And it's not just it's not just your 730 00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:42,990 subscriptions it's everything so you know if you're listening to 731 00:44:42,990 --> 00:44:46,770 episode you pause 16 minute and remember that 732 00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:51,360 you know what I'm just noticing as the same thing happened with 733 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:56,250 podcast guru that happened with cast Matic is I was subscribed, 734 00:44:56,940 --> 00:45:01,830 because I was in testflight, but I was too ascribe to the PERT 735 00:45:01,830 --> 00:45:06,300 the VIP or purchase the the premium thing. And this the 736 00:45:06,300 --> 00:45:09,060 little text in the middle, I just never read it and it says 737 00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:12,240 this is for testing purposes only you will not be charged. So 738 00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:15,570 I'm having to upgrade hope I'm not going to lose any new 739 00:45:15,570 --> 00:45:19,350 features in the beta by doing this, but I got a, and I'm going 740 00:45:19,350 --> 00:45:22,380 to hit you with this too, which is I have to hit almost every 741 00:45:22,380 --> 00:45:26,790 developer with the same thing is, you know, this is 1099 a 742 00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:30,510 year. I mean, I want like higher levels of that. I mean, I want 743 00:45:30,510 --> 00:45:36,720 to be able to pay you 25 bucks or 50 bucks a year. You know, I 744 00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:40,380 know, it's sort of a it's this unfortunate thing that happens 745 00:45:40,380 --> 00:45:45,330 with with App Stores and, you know, the app, sort of landscape 746 00:45:45,330 --> 00:45:49,830 that we've come become accustomed to that everything is 747 00:45:49,830 --> 00:45:54,450 like this one payment thing. It's like, okay, my product cost 748 00:45:54,690 --> 00:45:59,520 five bucks or 10 bucks or whatever. 99 cents. But really, 749 00:45:59,580 --> 00:46:03,030 I mean, if you give people options to pay you more, there 750 00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:06,210 you go. They will pay more stunned at how many times they 751 00:46:06,210 --> 00:46:10,200 will pay you more. Yeah, yeah, it's a big deal to artificially 752 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:14,430 limit the amount of money that that your true fans can give 753 00:46:14,430 --> 00:46:16,620 you. And I think that that's never in your interest. 754 00:46:16,650 --> 00:46:18,930 Yeah, I mean, features are always great. But I agree, I 755 00:46:18,930 --> 00:46:25,080 think I don't think I know many people really, you know, it's 756 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,410 religion, right? Your podcast app is very personal, what it 757 00:46:28,410 --> 00:46:30,930 does, how it functions, because you're interacting with a lot. 758 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,740 And when people love an app, they will love it forever. And 759 00:46:34,740 --> 00:46:37,140 if you say, hey, I need money, they will they will send it to 760 00:46:37,140 --> 00:46:38,100 you. I agree with Dave. 761 00:46:39,150 --> 00:46:43,440 Yeah, yeah. It's exactly what you said, Dave, this, the Play 762 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,260 stores, like you have to set up a SKU instead of a specific 763 00:46:46,260 --> 00:46:49,410 price and add a definition for that product, and you translate 764 00:46:49,410 --> 00:46:53,760 it in at night. So it's, we're very limited by what the app 765 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,140 stores have. Let us do there. 766 00:46:55,860 --> 00:46:58,890 Really? Can you is it? Is it within the rules to just put 767 00:46:58,890 --> 00:47:03,240 like, maybe three different tiers. Like I can subscribe at 768 00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:04,830 this level, this level or this level? 769 00:47:04,890 --> 00:47:07,020 Yeah. Yeah, that's, that's certainly possible. 770 00:47:08,610 --> 00:47:12,000 This is a very packed, I'm very passionate about the pricing 771 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,210 space, I think we've had a lot of passionate discussions about 772 00:47:15,210 --> 00:47:18,960 it. And it's like, you know, picking the balance of not 773 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:23,160 presenting the average listener that doesn't maybe necessarily 774 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:29,520 want to think about, you know, the options that they have. You 775 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,030 know, so like, having just one simple option to give people but 776 00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:34,860 I think you know, I think you raise a lot of, you know, a 777 00:47:34,860 --> 00:47:38,940 really good point in for the greater space and large and, and 778 00:47:38,940 --> 00:47:42,840 something that that podcast, producers like yourself have to 779 00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:43,590 have to deal with. 780 00:47:44,219 --> 00:47:47,039 Love this guy. Hold on a second. Joseph, I got to find out your 781 00:47:47,039 --> 00:47:49,439 background. Because if you're not raising money for this 782 00:47:49,439 --> 00:47:52,049 outfit, you should be i Where are you coming from? 783 00:47:53,220 --> 00:48:02,730 i i I read most recently Microsoft. That's nice. started 784 00:48:02,730 --> 00:48:06,090 the company before that called Xamarin. So yeah, I have a 785 00:48:06,090 --> 00:48:09,930 little bit of background on the mobile space. But, 786 00:48:10,590 --> 00:48:15,480 but that's the that's our Xamarin that was part of the 787 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:20,730 whole thing with dotnet. Cross Platform. dotnet on Linux. 788 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,130 You are you're correct. Yeah, Mano. 789 00:48:23,460 --> 00:48:26,130 Marlin was yes. I couldn't remember the name. Yes. Mana. 790 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:31,200 That's right. You're part of Xamarin then. Yes. Well, you've 791 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,580 heard of it or founded it. 792 00:48:33,060 --> 00:48:33,810 I was co founder, 793 00:48:34,739 --> 00:48:38,819 Joseph. Now I can't speak on behalf of Jason here but you 794 00:48:38,819 --> 00:48:40,829 sound like the kind of guy who should go out and raise some 795 00:48:40,829 --> 00:48:44,399 money for this little band of bandits and and turbo charge 796 00:48:44,399 --> 00:48:45,359 this operation? 797 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,659 That's that's not terrible idea. Yes. I heard it. I 798 00:48:48,660 --> 00:48:52,050 heard this guy's talk is like, okay, he's still kind of talking 799 00:48:52,050 --> 00:48:54,990 and is like pitch mode. And I appreciate it, because I've done 800 00:48:54,990 --> 00:48:59,430 this myself. But it's good, man. He is that's you sound like a 801 00:48:59,430 --> 00:49:02,400 great partner for for a company like this to have. 802 00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:07,320 Well, thanks to Jason Jason's baserunner, you know, we've been 803 00:49:07,350 --> 00:49:09,630 we've been buddies for years. So it's, it's, 804 00:49:10,260 --> 00:49:14,010 well, good. And then signed contracts now. So these, 805 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,610 everything's clear. So you can still be friends at the end? 806 00:49:18,060 --> 00:49:18,570 Yeah, 807 00:49:18,780 --> 00:49:21,330 yeah. But that's, that's the thing is, you know, the 808 00:49:21,330 --> 00:49:24,780 multiple? Well, you know, I had read this thing a while back 809 00:49:24,780 --> 00:49:28,380 where the biggest problem people have on things like Kickstarter 810 00:49:28,620 --> 00:49:34,260 is they don't give they they don't give the upper levels. So 811 00:49:34,620 --> 00:49:37,560 and you know, they don't, they'll give, okay, well, here's 812 00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,640 10 bucks or 25 bucks or 50 bucks, but there's no option in 813 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,100 there. And I don't want to belabor the point, but there's 814 00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:49,230 no option in there to say, Okay, well, I'll give you 500 or 1000, 815 00:49:49,260 --> 00:49:54,630 or, you know, to two or 20 504. There's always going to be a 816 00:49:54,630 --> 00:49:59,550 class of people out there who have enough scratch. That that 817 00:49:59,580 --> 00:50:05,460 the difference between, you know, 525 is just not it's just 818 00:50:05,460 --> 00:50:08,040 a don't think about it in those terms. And so they're always 819 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,860 just going to, they're going to give you the big, big money, but 820 00:50:10,860 --> 00:50:14,280 they if they can't, and they can't. And that's the thing is 821 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:18,420 like, it wouldn't even be a thing for me. Like, it wouldn't 822 00:50:18,420 --> 00:50:20,430 even be a thing where you had different tears to unlock 823 00:50:20,430 --> 00:50:21,150 different things. 824 00:50:21,180 --> 00:50:25,020 I'm sorry, I, you're you're lying. Now I heard Dave Jones 825 00:50:25,020 --> 00:50:27,870 just say he's gonna give you $2,500 You just need to have an 826 00:50:27,870 --> 00:50:28,950 option for him to do it. 827 00:50:29,340 --> 00:50:31,260 Yeah, we won't, we'll put 828 00:50:31,260 --> 00:50:32,730 that option in there for you. Thank you. 829 00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:34,590 2500 says, 830 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:42,960 Oh, okay. So the yeah, like I said, the pricing topic that 831 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,120 you're raising is like, very passionate about that. I mean, 832 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,550 going back from, you know, when we were learning about this, 833 00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,670 when we were pricing Xamarin. And at the time, that was called 834 00:50:50,670 --> 00:50:54,000 mono touch, we didn't, you know, I somebody pointed me to a book 835 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,670 called, don't just roll the dice, and I that was free, he 836 00:50:56,670 --> 00:50:59,070 was a PDF, you could go download, I recommend it to 837 00:50:59,070 --> 00:51:01,980 everybody in software, because it really just goes right to the 838 00:51:01,980 --> 00:51:03,960 heart of the problem you're talking about, there's like you 839 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,140 need, you need to have these prices out here. So that people 840 00:51:07,140 --> 00:51:09,660 can give you the maximum amount they want to, and then your 841 00:51:09,660 --> 00:51:12,030 feature differentiation is just to give them you know, some 842 00:51:12,030 --> 00:51:15,930 value for that. And, you know, the other side of that coin is 843 00:51:15,930 --> 00:51:19,260 like even just when we move from, you know, an in app 844 00:51:19,260 --> 00:51:25,290 purchase of just purchasing, to subscription, right, or the idea 845 00:51:25,290 --> 00:51:29,640 of perpetual license versus subscription. Like, for most 846 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,100 people, there's not a lot of thought put into those two 847 00:51:32,100 --> 00:51:35,100 options. And so that's, I think, why you see the world moving to 848 00:51:35,100 --> 00:51:37,410 SAS, where you have, you know, people say, Well, I'm just gonna 849 00:51:37,590 --> 00:51:41,610 keep giving you money, because I'm continuing to get value from 850 00:51:41,610 --> 00:51:44,400 this. And, you know, I can turn off the spigot. So I think the 851 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:49,980 last part of that is like, you know, the idea of having 852 00:51:49,980 --> 00:51:55,140 escalating requests, right, so you can get people you know, in 853 00:51:55,140 --> 00:51:57,270 for a little bit and you add more features, and you add more 854 00:51:57,270 --> 00:52:01,530 value, and you can you know, you have more to offer. So that 855 00:52:01,530 --> 00:52:04,410 that's another way to tease out, you know, the value for from 856 00:52:04,410 --> 00:52:06,120 your biggest fans of the people that are getting the most value 857 00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:07,380 from from what you're offering. 858 00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,650 You know, basically what I'm asking you is why didn't you 859 00:52:10,650 --> 00:52:15,150 invite me to the boardroom? So clearly, clearly an expert on 860 00:52:15,150 --> 00:52:18,750 this having never launched a profitable product? We're very 861 00:52:18,750 --> 00:52:19,350 good at this. 862 00:52:19,650 --> 00:52:22,890 Yes, yes. Somebody who buys things. I have strong opinions. 863 00:52:24,060 --> 00:52:30,630 Yes. As do I now. Are there any streaming value for value plans 864 00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:31,770 for podcast guru? 865 00:52:33,630 --> 00:52:37,740 Iam is definitely on our roadmap. I, I was on that 866 00:52:37,770 --> 00:52:40,620 initial call when you guys kind of rolled it out and intro like 867 00:52:40,620 --> 00:52:44,670 kind of the architecture of it. And that's, I remember my mind. 868 00:52:44,670 --> 00:52:47,700 Yep. So I'm just waiting till I get to the point because we want 869 00:52:47,700 --> 00:52:50,550 to, we want to roll it out on obviously, both platforms at the 870 00:52:50,550 --> 00:52:56,130 same time. They're sneak. So I haven't mentioned this, but my 871 00:52:56,130 --> 00:53:01,380 day job is working for a company a very large company in 872 00:53:01,380 --> 00:53:05,670 financial services. So I'm the guy that has to read the FFI C, 873 00:53:06,090 --> 00:53:09,510 retail mobile handbook. You know, we're a compliance 874 00:53:09,540 --> 00:53:11,100 regulations. So we're 875 00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,540 totally illegal in all aspects of financial rules and 876 00:53:15,540 --> 00:53:19,710 regulations. I mean, we did Eric is I think we Eric is burned out 877 00:53:19,710 --> 00:53:22,200 several times. Just reading that shit is crazy. 878 00:53:22,589 --> 00:53:25,649 Yeah. It's gray hairs from us. Yeah, right. 879 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,070 I'm absolutely not scared to do it. It's just one of those 880 00:53:29,070 --> 00:53:31,320 things where if I do it, I want to make sure that customer 881 00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:35,490 support doesn't become a nightmare. Right? Yeah, you 882 00:53:35,490 --> 00:53:38,130 know, it's hard enough, you know, explaining to people you 883 00:53:38,130 --> 00:53:41,160 know, okay, well, your your external media, your SD cards 884 00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,410 not mounted anymore. That's why your offline files disappeared. 885 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,220 I have long conference, right over that. So trying to explain 886 00:53:47,220 --> 00:53:50,070 to someone why they lost like 60 bucks, it's gonna be even 887 00:53:50,070 --> 00:53:53,190 harder. I just want to make sure we do it safely. 888 00:53:53,310 --> 00:53:57,180 Okay, cool. I like that good approach. Very good approach. 889 00:53:57,449 --> 00:54:01,079 Yeah, this is all I mean, like, that's what I tell people to is 890 00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:06,599 not. There's no shame in being afraid to get into the lightning 891 00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:09,239 space at this point. Because, you know, it's very new 892 00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,839 territory. So you don't you know, that's, that's always it 893 00:54:12,839 --> 00:54:15,479 takes. It takes time. And you got to do it. Right. It's been 894 00:54:15,479 --> 00:54:15,689 getting 895 00:54:15,690 --> 00:54:18,090 some good press. I've been seeing all kinds of has Yeah. 896 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,570 valuations and how much money is in the Lightning Network and 897 00:54:21,570 --> 00:54:25,890 that people who trade are now using it for faster transfers. 898 00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:27,810 It works it 899 00:54:28,830 --> 00:54:29,970 crazy. It does. 900 00:54:30,299 --> 00:54:32,609 As was telling Chris yesterday, cuz he was like, we know, Oh, 901 00:54:32,609 --> 00:54:34,919 that's great to be able to, you know, get small little bits of 902 00:54:34,919 --> 00:54:36,629 money, you know, for your podcast, and I was like, No, 903 00:54:36,629 --> 00:54:40,619 Chris, Chris, listen. We've gotten donations of 500,000 904 00:54:40,619 --> 00:54:44,969 SATs. That's like 250 bucks. We've we've had large amounts of 905 00:54:44,969 --> 00:54:48,749 money coming in. This is not like a toy. This is this is a no 906 00:54:48,749 --> 00:54:49,109 also. 907 00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:55,140 No. Neil. Neil Jones, your brother from another mother, 908 00:54:55,140 --> 00:54:58,440 who's the clip custodian? Yeah. Who does that clips for no 909 00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,650 agenda so he gets a piece of the In the value block, he gets a 910 00:55:01,650 --> 00:55:05,580 split. And he said, I got this huge amount, you know, like, 911 00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,180 it's like 10,000 SATs or something just in one go. I 912 00:55:09,180 --> 00:55:13,050 said, yeah, that's, that was from a mega boost or whatever. 913 00:55:13,050 --> 00:55:15,720 And, you know, he looks at the end of the month, he says, you 914 00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:20,130 know, obviously, it's he can't live off of that. But he says 915 00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,730 it's nice. It really is nice little bit of, and he's not, 916 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,250 he's just keeping it. He doesn't want to he wants to keep it for 917 00:55:26,250 --> 00:55:29,220 the value. And he thinks it'll be worth more in a couple of 918 00:55:29,220 --> 00:55:34,170 years. But it, it's you're right, it's not a toy. It's 919 00:55:34,170 --> 00:55:34,740 real. 920 00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:41,610 Yeah. And as from for an app like podcast guru, and I think, 921 00:55:43,110 --> 00:55:45,450 I think it's interesting to think about it in this way is 922 00:55:45,450 --> 00:55:51,390 this like a, once you get into that space, now, a year, you're 923 00:55:51,390 --> 00:55:56,970 also a Crip. A, what, how long say this year, you're also a 924 00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:01,290 crypto company. At that point, because your your, you know, 925 00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:07,770 your part, you can take a split as well. And that gets you into 926 00:56:07,770 --> 00:56:11,640 a whole nother space, also, where you can begin to do really 927 00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,780 cool stuff, because now you have access to it. Well, he did that 928 00:56:15,780 --> 00:56:16,380 to that payment. 929 00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:20,790 Here's what's really, you know, and, of course, lots of caveats, 930 00:56:20,790 --> 00:56:23,010 lots of moving pieces, but Joseph you like this, I'm going 931 00:56:23,010 --> 00:56:24,900 to help you out. Because I've done this, I've done this so 932 00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:28,290 many times, I love this. When you haven't, and I know this 933 00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,540 firsthand from some of our other developers, when you have 934 00:56:30,540 --> 00:56:34,080 investors, and you say, look, here's our business model, 935 00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,330 here's how we're doing it. Here's what's coming in on the 936 00:56:36,330 --> 00:56:40,200 subscriptions. Now, look over here, every minute of every day, 937 00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,530 of every week, or every month of every year, there's a drip of 938 00:56:43,530 --> 00:56:47,520 money coming in for people from people using our product. All we 939 00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:53,130 have to do is get more people, more people. And and by the way, 940 00:56:53,130 --> 00:56:55,110 there's a you know, there's an increased value as well, 941 00:56:55,110 --> 00:56:58,770 depending on what you do with that income. But that is so sexy 942 00:56:58,770 --> 00:57:03,450 to investors or, you know, I really anyone and I think that 943 00:57:03,450 --> 00:57:07,650 is, in an odd way. Yes, podcasting is still a vibe of 944 00:57:07,650 --> 00:57:10,080 cool people hanging out together and doing something but there is 945 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,230 this kind of bubbling undercurrent of a common goal of 946 00:57:13,230 --> 00:57:15,930 hey, maybe we can all get a little piece of Bitcoin for 947 00:57:15,930 --> 00:57:16,800 everything we're doing. 948 00:57:18,570 --> 00:57:22,230 Yep. Yeah, I think, yeah, you did it out. I mean, that's I 949 00:57:22,230 --> 00:57:25,320 was, you know, like, we're, I mean, I think the details of it. 950 00:57:25,350 --> 00:57:30,330 Jason, obviously can speak to back. But, but just the general, 951 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:35,550 you know, we, we want users like you have happy users. And then 952 00:57:35,550 --> 00:57:37,620 you can create that that world, you just right. 953 00:57:38,489 --> 00:57:44,279 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's it's a, it's an interesting way forward 954 00:57:44,279 --> 00:57:47,489 in industry for you, for anybody who gets into that space, 955 00:57:47,489 --> 00:57:52,139 because it just opens up. Once you have programmable money. It 956 00:57:52,139 --> 00:57:55,829 just your mind can't stop thinking of all the new ways to 957 00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:56,939 do crazy stuff. 958 00:57:57,510 --> 00:58:00,660 That's it. That's my problem. For sure. It's 959 00:58:00,659 --> 00:58:03,539 like for most most developers, I'm sure you're like this to 960 00:58:03,539 --> 00:58:07,019 Jason. Once you have that, you can think of immediately like 961 00:58:07,019 --> 00:58:09,569 three or four different, different things you want to do. 962 00:58:09,569 --> 00:58:12,329 I want to want to be able to give money back, you know, for 963 00:58:12,569 --> 00:58:16,679 giveaways, I want to be able to, you know, forward, split this 964 00:58:16,679 --> 00:58:19,289 pay these payments up into these different things depending on 965 00:58:19,649 --> 00:58:23,219 what's happening in the state of the app. And it's just, you 966 00:58:23,219 --> 00:58:26,099 begin to just have this overload of cool ideas. 967 00:58:27,420 --> 00:58:32,370 Yeah, and I mean, I'm surprised no one's doing this. But But 968 00:58:32,370 --> 00:58:37,590 like, you. I mean, you could literally make your podcast or 969 00:58:37,590 --> 00:58:40,440 even your artwork and NFT and sell it right from the app. 970 00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,780 Store. I don't know if that's a good idea or not, but like you 971 00:58:45,780 --> 00:58:48,360 said, it's just you just sit and brainstorm endlessly about this 972 00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:48,690 stuff. 973 00:58:49,290 --> 00:58:52,710 Yeah, once you get in, once you once you have that, that 974 00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:55,410 mindset, it's like you just can't stop thinking about that 975 00:58:55,410 --> 00:58:59,550 sort of thing. And honestly, that's what podcasting that I 976 00:58:59,550 --> 00:59:02,010 think that's one on a personal level. That's one thing that 977 00:59:02,010 --> 00:59:05,940 makes me geek out about this stuff so much is that's the sort 978 00:59:05,940 --> 00:59:11,730 of kind of crazy feature train that podcasting hasn't had in a 979 00:59:11,730 --> 00:59:15,060 while. Yeah, everything is just boiled down to like, okay, let's 980 00:59:15,060 --> 00:59:16,470 sell more ads. Let's 981 00:59:18,030 --> 00:59:20,010 because most of the conversation seems to be 982 00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:25,560 boring is boring. What's next? Like? How do y'all decide? 983 00:59:26,340 --> 00:59:30,960 Jason? What? How do you decide what feature comes next? Where 984 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,120 do you how do you decide how to spend your time? 985 00:59:34,650 --> 00:59:38,160 It will I listen to my users a lot what they want me to 986 00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:42,330 implement. Ironically, like, back in back when I first 987 00:59:42,330 --> 00:59:45,720 started doing apps, especially on Android, everything had to 988 00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:52,080 support not just portrait but landscape as well. Yeah. And, 989 00:59:52,260 --> 00:59:54,630 you know, this is the first app just said, you know, I'm just 990 00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:58,530 going to let that go. Right. Um, I'm not going to support you 991 00:59:58,530 --> 01:00:01,290 would think that would be like a big deal, but I get almost no 992 01:00:01,290 --> 01:00:04,680 requests where I get more requests for other things. So I 993 01:00:05,580 --> 01:00:08,250 feel like somebody took the handcuffs off off of you 994 01:00:08,250 --> 01:00:08,730 finally. 995 01:00:10,170 --> 01:00:14,640 So Pakistan 2.0 really changed a lot of words, because like you 996 01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,370 guys said, Nothing was changing. And podcasts have been static 997 01:00:17,370 --> 01:00:23,010 for a long time. And I started adding this features. And I 998 01:00:23,010 --> 01:00:25,560 don't know if you guys have used the app, I've got a popular tab. 999 01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:30,690 And once I put in like three or four of these PTO tags, no 1000 01:00:30,690 --> 01:00:34,590 agenda instantly became like, number one. It's been there for 1001 01:00:34,590 --> 01:00:37,740 months. Yeah. So every week they refresh that. 1002 01:00:38,219 --> 01:00:40,949 I was gonna ask you how you do that, because that's one of the 1003 01:00:40,949 --> 01:00:44,279 biggest, to me, that's one of the landmark features are like, 1004 01:00:44,669 --> 01:00:48,809 each app has kind of a personality. And to me that that 1005 01:00:48,929 --> 01:00:52,469 popular page is sort of the personality of podcast guru. I 1006 01:00:52,469 --> 01:00:55,079 mean, how do you how do you what's, what's the tech behind 1007 01:00:55,079 --> 01:00:55,409 that? 1008 01:00:56,550 --> 01:00:59,970 So basically, it's only looking at our own data set. So you we, 1009 01:01:00,390 --> 01:01:05,040 we basically use a Google Analytics and BigQuery. And I've 1010 01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,730 just got a basically a BigQuery thing that runs. 1011 01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,850 So it's, that's interesting. 1012 01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,730 Okay, so that, so you're so you have if I'm not, if I'm 1013 01:01:17,820 --> 01:01:22,350 understanding you, right, I know, you search podcast index, 1014 01:01:23,340 --> 01:01:26,130 because I can find I can find shows in there that I know are 1015 01:01:26,130 --> 01:01:32,190 not in iTunes. So do you have a Do you have your own database 1016 01:01:32,220 --> 01:01:36,750 that you then pull in from, from to from multiple searching 1017 01:01:36,750 --> 01:01:39,330 sources, and then you keep going, then you have your own 1018 01:01:39,330 --> 01:01:40,020 aggregators? 1019 01:01:41,730 --> 01:01:47,040 Kind of I mean, we, we have kind of an on demand thing. So on our 1020 01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:51,000 website, okay, if you search, it'll go in a look, it'll do an 1021 01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,820 iTunes search in the background, and it'll kind of populate in 1022 01:01:53,820 --> 01:01:56,850 your criminal database, it doesn't proactively go out there 1023 01:01:56,850 --> 01:02:01,050 and, you know, search for stuff and look for updates. But then 1024 01:02:01,050 --> 01:02:04,800 we use that data on the back end. So like, for example, 1025 01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,560 popular I don't remember the exact algorithm using but I 1026 01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:11,130 think I just look, you know, over the last week, what's the 1027 01:02:11,130 --> 01:02:14,340 most part what are the most listened to episodes and, you 1028 01:02:14,340 --> 01:02:15,390 know, it changes weekly? 1029 01:02:16,170 --> 01:02:18,930 How do you do the the feature, I'm looking at the web version. 1030 01:02:20,969 --> 01:02:23,819 So the so the featured I believe, that's just pulled 1031 01:02:23,819 --> 01:02:27,719 straight from iTunes, originally, and then we have our 1032 01:02:27,719 --> 01:02:32,429 own little recipe we can put in there. Sometimes podcasters will 1033 01:02:32,429 --> 01:02:36,929 reach out to us and, and, you know, work out a deal where the 1034 01:02:36,989 --> 01:02:39,479 promo is, and we'll insert them somewhere in that list. 1035 01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:43,320 Now I see you marketing that, that get featured. That's cool. 1036 01:02:44,940 --> 01:02:47,220 Yeah, that's something Joseph brainstormed, actually. 1037 01:02:47,490 --> 01:02:50,460 I mean, you know, and I always tell, or I have told in the 1038 01:02:50,460 --> 01:02:54,420 past, developers like, you know, just getting get in touch, or 1039 01:02:54,450 --> 01:02:57,420 podcasters, get in touch with each other, put a split in the 1040 01:02:57,420 --> 01:03:00,120 value block for a bit and feature them, you know, it's 1041 01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,360 like is kind of a fair way of doing it. Everybody wins. Easy. 1042 01:03:03,810 --> 01:03:08,340 Don't just think about it. So I do see a good idea. Your your 1043 01:03:08,340 --> 01:03:11,850 web version is not using podcast index, I don't think 1044 01:03:11,969 --> 01:03:18,359 No, not yet. I calm our web. We had a we had a web guy that was 1045 01:03:18,359 --> 01:03:21,329 doing some workforce there. And then kinda, I don't know what 1046 01:03:21,329 --> 01:03:23,549 happened to him. We haven't heard from him for about a 1047 01:03:23,579 --> 01:03:28,349 month. Okay, yeah. So I'm trying to I'm trying to go back in 1048 01:03:28,349 --> 01:03:31,529 there and fix that myself. And, man, it's been a decade since I 1049 01:03:31,529 --> 01:03:33,989 did a serious web development. So I'm having to ramp up. 1050 01:03:35,130 --> 01:03:39,120 Okay. Yeah, I was saying, I think I think that's what Jason 1051 01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,330 was trying to hedge against earlier, when he mentioned that 1052 01:03:42,450 --> 01:03:47,370 the web but yeah, so like, the, you know, Android is still the, 1053 01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,790 the leading experience here with it, you know, like, you know, 1054 01:03:50,790 --> 01:03:53,760 like you mentioned, you know, implementing implementing the 1055 01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:59,190 search and I think it's the default over on iOS as well. 1056 01:03:59,580 --> 01:04:00,300 Right. Jason? 1057 01:04:00,990 --> 01:04:03,450 Yeah. Should be so basically I mean, we started out using 1058 01:04:03,450 --> 01:04:09,600 iTunes like everyone else. And we added pockets index as a as 1059 01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,810 an option over a year ago and it's just worked so well which 1060 01:04:12,810 --> 01:04:15,450 means that the default people can still use iTunes but they 1061 01:04:15,450 --> 01:04:16,950 have to manually go in there and switch it 1062 01:04:16,980 --> 01:04:22,350 so a question about the the popular data set that you use is 1063 01:04:22,350 --> 01:04:26,640 your own data set, but is that from usage from your app, or is 1064 01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:30,120 it overall podcast usage is something that you aggregate 1065 01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:31,050 from different religions? 1066 01:04:31,350 --> 01:04:34,590 It's from usage from our Okay, that's really all we have access 1067 01:04:34,590 --> 01:04:34,680 to 1068 01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:38,160 right so no agenda is basically keeping you afloat. And if I 1069 01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:44,610 hear that I should be giving you guys a split you got it. You 1070 01:04:44,610 --> 01:04:46,740 have a lightning node. I'd love to give you a split certainly 1071 01:04:46,740 --> 01:04:53,580 this episode. I don't not yet. Okay, missing out on free says 1072 01:04:53,580 --> 01:04:56,130 man. Yeah, it's free money free money over here at podcasting. 1073 01:04:56,130 --> 01:04:58,020 2.0 we just we just give it away. 1074 01:04:58,260 --> 01:04:59,970 That's it that would be rectified. We're just 1075 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:05,100 Oh my goodness, 1076 01:05:05,130 --> 01:05:08,880 yes. So how do you one thing that I've always struggled with? 1077 01:05:09,330 --> 01:05:15,990 Jason for the index is that I want to have I want to have some 1078 01:05:16,020 --> 01:05:20,640 some of that, like, featured and ranked in trending and popular, 1079 01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:24,180 I want to have some of that data there. But I don't want to pull 1080 01:05:24,180 --> 01:05:27,900 it from a third party. Because I have no idea what their agenda 1081 01:05:27,900 --> 01:05:32,400 is. And then and, but at the same time, I don't want it to 1082 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:36,870 just be like a crude counting of how many downloads or how many 1083 01:05:36,900 --> 01:05:37,500 or something 1084 01:05:37,500 --> 01:05:39,930 a game of fiable was, yeah, 1085 01:05:39,929 --> 01:05:42,479 see, that's what I'm trying to get at is, I know, it's really 1086 01:05:42,479 --> 01:05:47,189 impossible to stop all the gaming. But I, I'm wondering if 1087 01:05:47,189 --> 01:05:50,639 you have thoughts on that of how you've approached that to try to 1088 01:05:50,639 --> 01:05:55,109 just to try to get at something that's accurate, and kind of get 1089 01:05:55,109 --> 01:06:00,569 rid of as much of the gamification as you can? Well, 1090 01:06:02,070 --> 01:06:05,130 like, like, in our case, it's just our data. So I can trust 1091 01:06:05,130 --> 01:06:07,440 that pretty well. But in this type of case, where you're, 1092 01:06:07,500 --> 01:06:11,970 you're ingesting data set from, you know, many different apps. I 1093 01:06:11,970 --> 01:06:18,990 mean, that answer sounds like a blockchains metaphor. So if you 1094 01:06:19,050 --> 01:06:21,240 you know, if you can see a stream of payments and who 1095 01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:24,270 they're going to, that might be one way you could rank things 1096 01:06:24,270 --> 01:06:26,040 without having to rely on a third party. 1097 01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:30,120 Oh, okay. So like, you know, that's, that's a good idea is 1098 01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:34,140 having the boosts and streaming streaming payments as sort of 1099 01:06:34,140 --> 01:06:36,060 the signal the signal the popularity? 1100 01:06:36,900 --> 01:06:39,030 Yeah, I don't know if that would work over lightning but like on 1101 01:06:39,030 --> 01:06:41,880 a later one blockchain data could be a 1102 01:06:41,909 --> 01:06:44,699 that's really interesting. Dave when when when the SAT when the 1103 01:06:44,729 --> 01:06:48,209 when the payment comes in? Regular streaming SAT? Do you 1104 01:06:48,209 --> 01:06:51,779 have any data as to what what podcast is being listened to? Is 1105 01:06:51,779 --> 01:06:54,689 that in the to V record of a regular streaming payment? 1106 01:06:55,049 --> 01:06:57,629 Dude's in there? Would you be asleep at the wheel? 1107 01:06:58,590 --> 01:07:00,990 No, it's terrible. Yeah. 1108 01:07:01,350 --> 01:07:04,230 This this this, this, this data should have been all for sale 1109 01:07:04,230 --> 01:07:05,490 already on the black market. 1110 01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:09,000 What we've never had an we've never interviewed Jason on the 1111 01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:10,710 show, so I never had access to this data. But 1112 01:07:10,710 --> 01:07:13,200 again, again, your fault you you couldn't get it? 1113 01:07:13,199 --> 01:07:17,069 Yes. I'm dropping the ball after Ryder. 1114 01:07:17,100 --> 01:07:22,710 I've to namespace questions for I guess for Jason, thoughts 1115 01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:26,790 about the media tag and your implementation of it. And oh, 1116 01:07:26,790 --> 01:07:30,180 Quran today would be fast follow if you've, if you have any 1117 01:07:30,180 --> 01:07:32,010 interest in that, or if you've been looking at that. 1118 01:07:32,850 --> 01:07:34,560 I don't know what basketball is. 1119 01:07:36,719 --> 01:07:40,289 I can give you well. So we've been trying to solve this 1120 01:07:40,289 --> 01:07:47,159 problem of of been able to link like universal subscription type 1121 01:07:47,159 --> 01:07:51,419 links so that somebody can say to subscribe to my podcast. And 1122 01:07:51,419 --> 01:07:54,809 you could just do a thing on your phone, and it would have 1123 01:07:54,809 --> 01:07:58,709 subscribed to it in your in your podcast app of choice, which 1124 01:07:58,709 --> 01:08:01,679 sounds like it should be simple, but is anything but 1125 01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,040 you would need like a universal ID or something 1126 01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:08,670 there. Bingo. So we have that with the podcast, Gu ID. And 1127 01:08:08,670 --> 01:08:13,140 every every podcast in the index has the GU ID field, the GU ID 1128 01:08:13,140 --> 01:08:16,920 filled with it. And that's a universally unique ID that 1129 01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:21,360 follows the podcast even if it moves hosts. Do we have that Id 1130 01:08:22,260 --> 01:08:28,050 thing? We've got that solved. And so what what my idea was and 1131 01:08:28,710 --> 01:08:32,580 I think we sort of hash this out without skates on the on the on 1132 01:08:32,580 --> 01:08:36,510 the social was that you would have that we have what we've got 1133 01:08:36,510 --> 01:08:40,470 this domain called fast follow.org, I think. And what it 1134 01:08:40,470 --> 01:08:45,930 would do is it would take a Gu ID a podcast Gu ID, and then 1135 01:08:45,930 --> 01:08:53,220 resolve it to either a link to the website, or the phone or the 1136 01:08:53,220 --> 01:08:57,000 feed URL itself depending on which app requested it. So if 1137 01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:00,600 like, if a browser did the request to fast follow.org/the 1138 01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:06,180 Gu ID, it will resolve to the show's website. But if the if an 1139 01:09:06,210 --> 01:09:11,580 app requested it, it would give back the feed URL instead. 1140 01:09:13,469 --> 01:09:17,309 So which in theory opens up a default app that is configured 1141 01:09:17,309 --> 01:09:18,839 somehow? Well, this 1142 01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:22,290 would be done into the in the app itself right. So you 1143 01:09:22,379 --> 01:09:26,519 Oh, okay, so the app itself God so you have like a scanner in 1144 01:09:26,519 --> 01:09:27,029 the app? 1145 01:09:27,419 --> 01:09:30,419 Yeah, like podcast guru would have like a QR code scan or 1146 01:09:30,419 --> 01:09:33,239 something like that and you a dude scan it and it would hit 1147 01:09:33,239 --> 01:09:34,799 fast follow and get the feed you're 1148 01:09:36,540 --> 01:09:39,420 no that's cool. Sounds totally doable too. 1149 01:09:40,290 --> 01:09:43,920 Yeah, I mean, is that sound like something that you were thinking 1150 01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:48,210 QR codes just because they're easy? And people that had a 1151 01:09:48,210 --> 01:09:49,080 resurgence 1152 01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:52,650 in you know, Bitcoin and lightning and all this has kind 1153 01:09:52,650 --> 01:09:56,580 of brought QR codes but over Fuckit Coronavirus that's 1154 01:09:56,580 --> 01:09:59,970 brought QR codes back. Thank you. COVID Yeah. minues 1155 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,320 If the restaurant Yeah, 1156 01:10:02,340 --> 01:10:06,750 I mean, most, most podcast apps that support OPML import are 1157 01:10:06,750 --> 01:10:08,910 gonna have all the plumbing there, they just got to add a 1158 01:10:08,910 --> 01:10:11,100 little QR code reader and yeah. 1159 01:10:12,300 --> 01:10:16,020 Yeah, I mean, it's, that's, that sounds like something that you 1160 01:10:16,140 --> 01:10:19,170 could possibly support in the future, because I'm actively 1161 01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,210 going to, I think I'm going to start working on that in the 1162 01:10:21,210 --> 01:10:22,050 next couple of weeks. 1163 01:10:22,380 --> 01:10:27,900 Oh, so, um, a few thoughts. QR codes are ugly, ugly, if you if 1164 01:10:27,900 --> 01:10:30,810 you're scanning a QR code, the thing is, it's supported at this 1165 01:10:30,900 --> 01:10:34,740 at the operating system level now. So like, you know, one of 1166 01:10:34,740 --> 01:10:37,200 the, one of the challenges like I, I'm presented with, because I 1167 01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:41,250 have a lot of podcast apps on my phone, oddly, for perhaps 1168 01:10:41,250 --> 01:10:45,060 obvious reasons. And do I just, and so, you know, people, you 1169 01:10:45,060 --> 01:10:48,240 know, links end up getting hijacked. So, you know, that's 1170 01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:51,540 an interesting, you know, problem with, you know, we think 1171 01:10:51,540 --> 01:10:55,500 something's gonna open a podcast guru, but it doesn't. But, but 1172 01:10:55,500 --> 01:10:57,870 if you're thinking about doing it, you know, if you're thinking 1173 01:10:57,870 --> 01:11:01,440 about scanning in, like, you could just avoid QR code, you 1174 01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:04,050 can read just about anything in the world. Now. Maybe you could 1175 01:11:04,050 --> 01:11:08,790 pick something better looking recognize the URL, I mean, that, 1176 01:11:08,790 --> 01:11:12,030 you know, cameras are smart. 1177 01:11:12,030 --> 01:11:13,680 And yeah, what like, what do you got an idea? 1178 01:11:15,930 --> 01:11:20,340 Oh, I mean, I don't know, maybe? I mean, you could, I don't have 1179 01:11:20,340 --> 01:11:22,800 any specific idea. I'm just thinking that like, I mean, you 1180 01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:27,450 could, as simple as read a short URL, I mean, like, text, text 1181 01:11:27,450 --> 01:11:31,890 can be read. Now. The upside, you know, the upside from my 1182 01:11:31,890 --> 01:11:34,470 perspective is like, if, you know, if you had your own 1183 01:11:34,470 --> 01:11:37,650 format, and podcast guru supports it, then you know, and 1184 01:11:37,650 --> 01:11:40,860 then it does the scanning in app, then, you know, we have 1185 01:11:40,860 --> 01:11:45,330 kind of more control over it. You know, are you sure Oh, now, 1186 01:11:46,470 --> 01:11:49,920 I know. This is just brains. You know, why brainstorming? Because 1187 01:11:49,949 --> 01:11:53,729 that's what we do here. And the more thinking about it. That's 1188 01:11:53,729 --> 01:11:55,349 what the boardroom is for Joseph. 1189 01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:01,740 Yeah. So I mean, because the the idea of like an app scanning 1190 01:12:01,740 --> 01:12:05,580 versus using the system scanner is that you have the system 1191 01:12:05,580 --> 01:12:09,390 scanner is still going to be vulnerable to the same issue, 1192 01:12:09,390 --> 01:12:12,930 which is, ultimately the iOS does not allow you to set a 1193 01:12:12,930 --> 01:12:16,530 default podcast app. Right. And so you can't just launch you 1194 01:12:16,530 --> 01:12:20,910 can't say like podcast, colon slash slash and a feed URL. If 1195 01:12:20,910 --> 01:12:23,910 that was if the if that could be done. I mean, God, we wouldn't 1196 01:12:23,910 --> 01:12:27,810 have to jump through all these stupid hoops that now I think, 1197 01:12:28,380 --> 01:12:31,860 correct? Me, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Android does 1198 01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:34,500 allow you to set a default podcast app, is that correct? 1199 01:12:35,670 --> 01:12:39,210 You can you can like register default handler. Yeah. And 1200 01:12:39,210 --> 01:12:43,710 then everything every two weeks, it'll say just once or always, 1201 01:12:44,700 --> 01:12:46,530 always gets deregistered somehow. 1202 01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:51,300 Yeah. Well, it's, it's really frustrating when you registered 1203 01:12:51,300 --> 01:12:53,190 something you don't want and then you have to figure out how 1204 01:12:53,190 --> 01:12:53,640 to how to 1205 01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:56,880 unregister Yeah, that's the worst part. I agree about that. 1206 01:12:56,940 --> 01:12:59,430 Have you? Have you looked at the media tag yet? Because you guys 1207 01:12:59,430 --> 01:13:03,420 were looking to to figure out how to do video and signal that 1208 01:13:03,420 --> 01:13:07,560 in the feed or music or other types of enclosure formats? 1209 01:13:07,980 --> 01:13:09,300 medium, medium medium? I'm 1210 01:13:09,300 --> 01:13:12,750 sorry, not medium medium. Um, 1211 01:13:14,250 --> 01:13:17,400 so initially, you mentioned video because that's one of the 1212 01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:21,540 I think that's completely unexplored in our space. I 1213 01:13:21,540 --> 01:13:24,150 remember the first time someone asked me said why don't you 1214 01:13:24,150 --> 01:13:28,230 support video is a long time I'm like, what? There's there's such 1215 01:13:28,230 --> 01:13:32,490 a thing. So I looked at it like wow, I found like one video you 1216 01:13:32,490 --> 01:13:35,280 know, so we made it work with we've got full video support. 1217 01:13:35,610 --> 01:13:36,150 And boy, 1218 01:13:36,150 --> 01:13:38,070 I didn't know you had that. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, 1219 01:13:38,460 --> 01:13:41,520 I haven't I said that. When I said that we didn't support 1220 01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:44,520 landscape I lied. That's a one screen where we do is that when 1221 01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:51,270 you're watching a video but yeah. I I would really like to 1222 01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:56,520 see a lot more video based content. I don't know what the 1223 01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:58,590 holdup there if it's just expensive to host. 1224 01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:03,120 That's exactly it, then no hosting. Hosting providers don't 1225 01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:08,100 offer it and YouTube is free. Yeah, that's that's the main 1226 01:14:08,100 --> 01:14:11,400 reason. So we're working on that. That's a longer term 1227 01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,080 project. We have all the solutions. 1228 01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:16,170 Oh, yeah, you're right. I'm here it is animated. No agenda 1229 01:14:16,170 --> 01:14:18,870 playing and podcasts. I've never even tried a video podcast and 1230 01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:21,780 podcast guru. Your blog is just kind of blown my mind a little 1231 01:14:21,780 --> 01:14:27,060 bit. But it looks really good. Cool. Yeah, this looks really 1232 01:14:27,060 --> 01:14:29,460 good. Because it's not you. I don't know how you're doing 1233 01:14:29,460 --> 01:14:35,130 this. Because typically in iOS, it's kind of a jarring 1234 01:14:35,130 --> 01:14:41,160 experience because it takes you it takes you out of it kicks you 1235 01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:44,190 out of the app into a full screen version of the video. But 1236 01:14:44,190 --> 01:14:47,820 you're somehow able to play this sort of in the app and in a 1237 01:14:47,820 --> 01:14:48,450 window 1238 01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:53,190 or using the Android or iOS version right now. iOS, okay. 1239 01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:58,140 Yeah, I'm not sure like, I'll have to I'll have to circle back 1240 01:14:58,140 --> 01:15:00,930 and compliment Alex on that because I didn't Do all that 1241 01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:04,140 tooling that was my friend Alex, but 1242 01:15:04,410 --> 01:15:08,490 if I recall correctly, that's, that's a recent iOS feature to 1243 01:15:08,490 --> 01:15:10,170 be able to do too soon. 1244 01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:13,920 Oh, okay. So it's an OS level thing, then 1245 01:15:13,980 --> 01:15:16,050 I think so. Okay, that task. 1246 01:15:17,100 --> 01:15:20,550 Yeah, cuz, because in the past whenever you would be in a in a 1247 01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:24,000 podcast at which most of them don't even support video, but if 1248 01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:28,080 you were ever in one that did on iOS, and you click, you know, to 1249 01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,600 start playing, it would just totally kick you out of the app 1250 01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:35,400 into a full screen window of the video. So that mean, it's it's 1251 01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:38,130 kind of I haven't even had tried in a while. But seeing that play 1252 01:15:38,130 --> 01:15:40,920 in the app is really cool. Because you still have all your, 1253 01:15:41,430 --> 01:15:43,470 your features and everything and your chapters and all the stuff 1254 01:15:43,470 --> 01:15:45,090 available to you right there. We can see it. 1255 01:15:46,770 --> 01:15:49,770 I think we're benefiting from being a new app and Alex just 1256 01:15:49,770 --> 01:15:54,000 using the latest and greatest in the nation. I'm just gonna 1257 01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:55,770 answer that bralette since he's not here, okay. 1258 01:16:00,090 --> 01:16:03,090 Dave, I think we should thank a few people for supporting this 1259 01:16:03,690 --> 01:16:07,410 outstanding value for value project open project that is 1260 01:16:07,410 --> 01:16:12,210 podcasting. 2.0 you hearing how it's how you seeing and hearing 1261 01:16:12,210 --> 01:16:16,920 how the sausage is being made in real time. Which is what we 1262 01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:20,970 always do in the board meeting. And if you'd like to support us 1263 01:16:20,970 --> 01:16:23,880 with your Fiat fun coupons, you can do that by going to podcast 1264 01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:28,260 index.org and hitting the red donate button at the bottom. Of 1265 01:16:28,260 --> 01:16:32,310 course, we love the streaming payments, the booster grams, and 1266 01:16:32,310 --> 01:16:33,600 what are we starting with today? Dave? 1267 01:16:34,830 --> 01:16:38,610 We got a couple of papers. You guys cool with sticking around? 1268 01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:42,990 We can do some donations and some boosts. That 1269 01:16:43,110 --> 01:16:48,570 didn't sound very enthusiastic. I don't know. Like boost. Boost 1270 01:16:48,570 --> 01:16:52,650 me. Like does that doesn't hurt me if they boost me? 1271 01:16:53,880 --> 01:17:00,660 Well, Justin, price boost. boosted us through PayPal $100. 1272 01:17:00,690 --> 01:17:03,030 Whoa, nice. Yeah, he says, 1273 01:17:03,570 --> 01:17:04,230 Hello. I'm 1274 01:17:04,230 --> 01:17:07,080 a computer science student who enjoys the weekly entertainment 1275 01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:10,560 from the podcast. Podcast addict is an excellent app for Android. 1276 01:17:10,950 --> 01:17:14,370 My shirt size is two XL. He's still available. 1277 01:17:15,270 --> 01:17:18,330 He knows he knows about the the shirt promotion? 1278 01:17:18,539 --> 01:17:21,779 Yes, he does. Hopefully my address is listed with the 1279 01:17:21,779 --> 01:17:23,399 donation go podcasting. 1280 01:17:23,459 --> 01:17:25,439 Oh, my second Yes. Go podcast. 1281 01:17:27,570 --> 01:17:31,920 Thank you, Justin wheat. So Eric, is we're going to get some 1282 01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:35,520 more T shirts made because we ran out. And we're having this. 1283 01:17:35,790 --> 01:17:40,680 We're having a meeting, discussion on signal about all 1284 01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:43,530 of us we're talking about which, like if we wanted to change the 1285 01:17:43,530 --> 01:17:47,850 shirt style, and then we never made a decision. Oh, really? 1286 01:17:48,780 --> 01:17:51,510 I thought somehow in the back of my mind, like okay, that's done. 1287 01:17:51,510 --> 01:17:54,060 I checked that box. What? Well, okay. 1288 01:17:54,540 --> 01:17:56,790 Remember, we talked about T shirts? And I said I want a 1289 01:17:56,790 --> 01:17:57,930 different lanyards. 1290 01:17:58,020 --> 01:18:03,120 And all I wanted was we may notice it. I just want a 1291 01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:04,470 different material t shirt. 1292 01:18:05,490 --> 01:18:09,930 Oh, yeah. Yeah. So we have have to pick that back up. And I 1293 01:18:09,930 --> 01:18:12,630 still get everybody that things like two or three people that 1294 01:18:12,630 --> 01:18:15,630 needed a t shirt from a donation. I've got everybody 1295 01:18:15,630 --> 01:18:17,790 still on the list. And so we're getting this as we print some 1296 01:18:17,790 --> 01:18:18,750 more up, we're gonna send them out, 1297 01:18:18,780 --> 01:18:23,460 Dave. All we have to say in these days is hey, man supply 1298 01:18:23,460 --> 01:18:27,420 chain issues. Okay. supply chain issues. 1299 01:18:27,690 --> 01:18:30,720 Bingo. It's like Ellison. They're stuck in LA. 1300 01:18:31,470 --> 01:18:36,930 The port. Port. Right. Thank you very much for that was great. 1301 01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:37,890 Great donation. 1302 01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:44,880 $100. From through PayPal from Ari barotz. Ar IE, I think 1303 01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:45,060 that's 1304 01:18:45,330 --> 01:18:49,440 it could be from Holland, Dutch, maybe. Oh, okay. All right. 1305 01:18:49,470 --> 01:18:52,920 All right. But that's $100 through PayPal and I could not 1306 01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:57,450 find a note. So already thank you very much. If you want to 1307 01:18:58,140 --> 01:19:02,430 send a note please do. See. Alright, we got some boost. Now. 1308 01:19:02,970 --> 01:19:03,900 The booster grant Okay, hold 1309 01:19:03,900 --> 01:19:05,730 on a second boost. Boost boost. 1310 01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:09,930 Did you clip that out? 1311 01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:10,860 How good is that? 1312 01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:19,440 It's so ironic. I know. Oh, comic strip blogger. Has 333 1313 01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:20,040 sets. He's 1314 01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:23,940 back promoting his his AI podcast. 1315 01:19:24,390 --> 01:19:30,450 Hmm, yep. He gave us let's see. Give us three donations and I'm 1316 01:19:30,450 --> 01:19:33,540 going to read they all they're all identical. 1317 01:19:33,570 --> 01:19:35,850 Well, let's, let's let's do his jingle first. 1318 01:19:36,329 --> 01:19:42,809 Comic Strip, comic strip, comic, comic strip, comic strip, comic 1319 01:19:42,809 --> 01:19:44,039 strip, comic strip. 1320 01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:51,150 Strip. To shorten that, to too long. A short. 1321 01:19:52,380 --> 01:19:57,570 Comic Strip ball gave us 3333 sets three times and he says 1322 01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:02,520 yes, three times. So 9999 He says, greetings from chemistry 1323 01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:05,790 at Blogger to podcast in 2.0. Team, Dave Jones and Adam curry, 1324 01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:07,950 and anybody interested in artificial intelligence is 1325 01:20:07,950 --> 01:20:11,790 welcome to subscribe and listen to the podcast called AI cooking 1326 01:20:12,150 --> 01:20:15,240 that can be found in all podcast apps and in all podcast indexes. 1327 01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:17,640 By searching for AI cooking, yo, 1328 01:20:18,419 --> 01:20:21,029 yo, add that 1329 01:20:21,030 --> 01:20:24,390 you can find it in podcast guru because they use our index. 1330 01:20:24,540 --> 01:20:28,470 Now, no concert blogger is an excellent example of a value for 1331 01:20:28,470 --> 01:20:31,440 value convert, and he really understands it. You know, he was 1332 01:20:31,470 --> 01:20:34,380 complaining that hey, some people who I know that they 1333 01:20:34,380 --> 01:20:37,890 received my booster gram. They didn't mention it on the show. I 1334 01:20:37,890 --> 01:20:39,900 said, You know what your mistake is? This is why I said you're 1335 01:20:39,900 --> 01:20:44,610 not sending enough. Yeah, that's why he tripled down on us. Oh, 1336 01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:49,110 that's how it works. You need to berate your listeners. Tell them 1337 01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:50,820 they're no good. They're not doing enough. 1338 01:20:51,630 --> 01:20:55,230 Yeah, and you do that in the app too. Yeah, exactly. The app 1339 01:20:55,230 --> 01:20:58,830 shocks you pops up a window hitching the face. Exactly. 1340 01:20:59,370 --> 01:21:06,600 Yep. Really. Haptics, of not just haptics. Haptics. We get an 1341 01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,360 anonymous booster and this is truly anonymous. There's no name 1342 01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:12,780 or anything on this it's from Britain three breeze MX 400. SAS 1343 01:21:12,780 --> 01:21:15,390 and that the message is just SATs. 1344 01:21:17,610 --> 01:21:19,320 Okay, thank you. Alright, thanks. 1345 01:21:19,860 --> 01:21:25,770 Thank you. See, Jason, you could be enjoying seeing these crazy 1346 01:21:25,770 --> 01:21:28,500 messages come in to your podcast app if your value for value. 1347 01:21:31,050 --> 01:21:35,070 Yeah, like really missing out so I'm definitely gonna look into 1348 01:21:35,070 --> 01:21:35,370 this. 1349 01:21:36,900 --> 01:21:40,620 Yeah, it it's it's crazy. It's crazy. Some of the stuff that 1350 01:21:40,620 --> 01:21:43,500 people will send you if you open if you open up the whole 1351 01:21:43,500 --> 01:21:44,700 internet send you miss. Yeah, 1352 01:21:44,700 --> 01:21:47,910 wait until we get to some of the numerology. Well, the 3333 is a 1353 01:21:47,910 --> 01:21:49,380 good example. What's next? 1354 01:21:49,830 --> 01:21:53,400 Well, podcasts blogger, I mean, podcast, a comic strip blogger. 1355 01:21:53,730 --> 01:21:56,970 Send us another message. And this is a different message. 1356 01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:01,680 3333 sets, same message but he says donation from 12th of 1357 01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:03,330 September so Oh, that's 1358 01:22:03,330 --> 01:22:07,230 for last week he was for Yeah, yeah. Thank you. That's real 1359 01:22:07,230 --> 01:22:07,680 money. 1360 01:22:09,630 --> 01:22:11,610 Everybody gets checkout a that's that's more 1361 01:22:11,610 --> 01:22:14,670 than some people send through PayPal. It is. 1362 01:22:16,050 --> 01:22:23,430 Okay, here we go. Harry Duran sent us 1101 Excuse me. 1111 1363 01:22:23,430 --> 01:22:28,920 SATs. Thank you. He says long overdue boosts? 1364 01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:30,570 Yeah. Booster. 1365 01:22:32,460 --> 01:22:36,660 Host very Duran hosted the podcast junkies podcast. Time 1366 01:22:36,660 --> 01:22:39,150 for you both to come on the show. What? I'll be glad to 1367 01:22:44,250 --> 01:22:48,420 we got here. Oh, Salah nomics. All right. I think this is a 1368 01:22:48,420 --> 01:22:53,430 ray. This is a reprieve of last week he says regarding under a 1369 01:22:53,430 --> 01:22:57,900 bus jingle This is 2222 SATs second ducks. He says under a 1370 01:22:57,900 --> 01:23:03,240 bus jingle with the extra 2222 sat duck boost today. Plus boost 1371 01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:07,170 on delivery. I'll gladly add a 5% split to the podcast index 1372 01:23:07,170 --> 01:23:10,560 however, Dave will need to help us set that up. I'll be glad to 1373 01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:12,780 Dave Go ahead. 1374 01:23:12,869 --> 01:23:15,209 Well he's saying under under the bus jingle 1375 01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,600 Yeah, remember they wanted to do us to do an under he wanted you 1376 01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:22,680 to do an under the bus. thing for their opening of their under 1377 01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:23,550 the bus segment. 1378 01:23:23,730 --> 01:23:27,570 Oh, yes. Okay. Yes. Akon said 1379 01:23:27,570 --> 01:23:28,770 you didn't send us enough money. 1380 01:23:29,850 --> 01:23:33,870 Okay, so now do I do we owe them something now or are we even 1381 01:23:35,130 --> 01:23:37,500 Yeah, we're I think we're I think we're up to speed okay 1382 01:23:37,500 --> 01:23:39,300 core square square. 1383 01:23:40,230 --> 01:23:43,590 Is for value works people. And 1384 01:23:43,650 --> 01:23:48,030 he the what he wrote here it says Dave is a ledge by the way. 1385 01:23:48,420 --> 01:23:50,100 I think I want to say it means legend. 1386 01:23:50,190 --> 01:23:55,200 I think ledge has worked to let you the ledge I'm standing on 1387 01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:56,430 looking into precipice 1388 01:23:56,970 --> 01:24:01,680 okay, that those the ledge that people fall off of? Yes. I'm 1389 01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:05,850 going to go with legends just from your own. Yeah, for the 1390 01:24:05,850 --> 01:24:10,500 jingle I'm thinking a chicken clock that what it okay, that 1391 01:24:10,590 --> 01:24:14,310 followed by Adam saying under a bust and is under a bus in his 1392 01:24:14,310 --> 01:24:17,610 best Dutch hybrid accent followed by thud 1393 01:24:18,540 --> 01:24:21,450 I don't have the sound you gotta send me the sound I don't have 1394 01:24:21,450 --> 01:24:25,830 chicken clock. I'm looking now let me see that. No, I have no 1395 01:24:25,830 --> 01:24:27,420 chicken clock. No, 1396 01:24:27,660 --> 01:24:29,700 I mean how Okay, how about this? How about 1397 01:24:31,140 --> 01:24:39,150 I had about this time for reverse everybody. Wait, wait 1398 01:24:39,150 --> 01:24:41,130 wait, he wanted me in a Dutch accent? 1399 01:24:41,340 --> 01:24:44,550 Yeah, I think he wanted that one. I think he wanted to write 1400 01:24:44,550 --> 01:24:44,970 but then 1401 01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:48,330 okay, so then he want any any wants me to do a Dutch accent 1402 01:24:48,330 --> 01:24:51,060 and then a thought at the end? Is that what he wants? Yeah. Do 1403 01:24:51,060 --> 01:24:56,220 you have a thud? Yeah, here we go. Time for end of the bus 1404 01:24:56,220 --> 01:24:57,240 everybody. 1405 01:25:05,610 --> 01:25:07,740 that's my that's my jingle prowess for today. 1406 01:25:08,309 --> 01:25:17,009 That's what 2222 says would get you ready? Alright. See 1407 01:25:17,039 --> 01:25:20,969 anonymous through? No, no, this is not anonymous, but he forgot 1408 01:25:20,969 --> 01:25:25,349 to sign it. This is from our buddy Karen, it mere mortals. 1409 01:25:26,429 --> 01:25:32,039 And he says 10,101 says, oh, a gentle reminder that my chat 1410 01:25:32,039 --> 01:25:35,579 with Adam is up on mere mortals. Lots of fun chapter art. 1411 01:25:35,700 --> 01:25:39,180 Yes, yes. How you doing booster. Thank you very much. 1412 01:25:43,050 --> 01:25:48,660 Cast Pelland says he gave us 3300 SATs. He says thanks for 1413 01:25:48,660 --> 01:25:56,790 the show. Thank you, Cass Thank you, Cass of the P land. To set 1414 01:25:56,790 --> 01:26:04,110 SC 2500 sets from A D. I'm not sure who that is. This is so 1415 01:26:04,110 --> 01:26:07,860 excited that you're into web 3.0. And lightning value for 1416 01:26:07,860 --> 01:26:08,970 value is the future. 1417 01:26:09,660 --> 01:26:13,860 I know. I need to hear from someone exactly what web three 1418 01:26:13,860 --> 01:26:17,370 is. Because it sounds like such bullshit. When I'm hearing. 1419 01:26:18,540 --> 01:26:23,160 If you ask for people to tell you what web 3.0 is about, 1420 01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:26,550 you're gonna get a lot of opinions. Leah, you're gonna get 1421 01:26:26,550 --> 01:26:27,360 brown of London. 1422 01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:31,320 O'Brien of London. Oh, yeah. I didn't ask that. The jury will 1423 01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:32,100 disregard this. 1424 01:26:33,450 --> 01:26:35,910 I don't want to know, he's gonna blow up your telegram? 1425 01:26:36,570 --> 01:26:39,420 No, I think that his his view of web three is probably more 1426 01:26:39,420 --> 01:26:41,340 correct. I don't know. Understand what we have to call 1427 01:26:41,340 --> 01:26:46,890 it web three. But but the general kind of big tech. Let's 1428 01:26:46,890 --> 01:26:50,310 ask what's asked Joseph, what's a web three? You're a marketing 1429 01:26:50,310 --> 01:26:52,800 guy. What's Web? Three? Are we a part of it? What's going on? 1430 01:26:54,540 --> 01:26:57,060 Uh, you should ask Jason. 1431 01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:02,940 Man. There we go. That was very slick. Very well done. Well, you 1432 01:27:02,940 --> 01:27:05,520 should have said it's no Well, you know, the brains behind the 1433 01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:08,400 operation. The genius is Jason. So I always 1434 01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:11,820 leave literally, yes, it was literally everything I know 1435 01:27:11,820 --> 01:27:12,630 about web three. 1436 01:27:13,860 --> 01:27:16,410 That's a good one. Jason, take it away. 1437 01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:20,640 Well, I don't have like a really succinct definition. But I think 1438 01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:22,500 peer to peer is the essence of it. 1439 01:27:25,980 --> 01:27:26,730 Centralized? Yeah. 1440 01:27:27,030 --> 01:27:31,290 Decentralized. But you know, you take a technology like IPFS, you 1441 01:27:31,290 --> 01:27:34,470 know, so you want to put a piece of content out there and you 1442 01:27:34,470 --> 01:27:36,720 don't, you're not going to a single server to retrieve it. 1443 01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:41,790 The content content is just, you know, spread like on a 1444 01:27:41,790 --> 01:27:42,870 BitTorrent type network. 1445 01:27:42,930 --> 01:27:46,650 Yes. Just want to hear Silicon Valley type people talking about 1446 01:27:46,650 --> 01:27:48,870 web three. I'm like, well, that's kind of the antithesis. 1447 01:27:48,870 --> 01:27:55,410 It's kind of against you unless I'm misunderstanding it. Yeah, 1448 01:27:56,670 --> 01:27:57,630 I don't I think that's 1449 01:27:57,630 --> 01:28:01,830 why they want to be ahead of it. It's the classic. You know, you 1450 01:28:01,830 --> 01:28:05,880 wanna somebody is going to destroy your business. Yeah, 1451 01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:08,940 valid, valid point, because, like, Mastadon, would we all 1452 01:28:08,940 --> 01:28:10,620 consider that to be web three? 1453 01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:17,670 No, yeah, I would. And then and then well, and but web 3.0 Has 1454 01:28:17,670 --> 01:28:19,260 this has this like, 1455 01:28:19,290 --> 01:28:23,490 it's web three, it's web three, not 3.02. Web three, web never 1456 01:28:23,490 --> 01:28:23,760 going to be 1457 01:28:23,970 --> 01:28:29,250 important. 2.0333 It's 1458 01:28:29,250 --> 01:28:34,170 like Wi Fi size. All of a sudden, we got to call it this 1459 01:28:34,170 --> 01:28:37,200 now that we've never had to do that before. I don't I mean, 1460 01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:40,920 like web was a Mastadon. is I don't think that's what three is 1461 01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:41,100 it? 1462 01:28:42,390 --> 01:28:45,690 Well, if each instance it I think it is because the content 1463 01:28:45,690 --> 01:28:49,230 flows through the fediverse to each individual piece without it 1464 01:28:49,230 --> 01:28:51,180 being reliant on that piece at all. 1465 01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:54,450 See, I thought that the whole I thought that this idea of web 1466 01:28:54,450 --> 01:28:58,740 three was that the apps don't run the apps run on the 1467 01:28:58,740 --> 01:29:01,680 distributed blockchain or distributed 1468 01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:05,190 on the blockchain. That's your answer, but love to hear this. 1469 01:29:05,730 --> 01:29:10,110 Oh, okay. Oh, I got it. Just another word for Oops. Okay. 1470 01:29:10,140 --> 01:29:14,310 Thank you. I got it. This is a CNBC invention, where everyone 1471 01:29:14,310 --> 01:29:18,270 was tired and disillusioned from the blockchain. And now we're 1472 01:29:18,270 --> 01:29:22,170 going to see, oh, I can predict right now. We're going to have a 1473 01:29:22,170 --> 01:29:27,690 stick. stock ticker symbols. Web three, web three. Oh, yeah. So 1474 01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:30,960 companies are going to change their name to say and web three. 1475 01:29:31,890 --> 01:29:35,190 Yeah, yeah. Okay. All right. Well, then Brian of London is 1476 01:29:35,190 --> 01:29:35,730 correct. 1477 01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:40,410 Yeah, it's I mean, he tends to be correct, because he's cynical 1478 01:29:40,410 --> 01:29:41,760 about everything's right. So Brian 1479 01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:43,650 of London. You're correct. No need to explain. 1480 01:29:47,370 --> 01:29:53,100 It, Joseph. Are y'all I didn't ask you this. Are y'all funded? 1481 01:29:53,220 --> 01:29:56,730 VC funded? Are y'all self funding? How are you doing that? 1482 01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:58,350 It's all it's all bootstrap right now. 1483 01:29:59,010 --> 01:29:59,970 Okay. All right. Great. 1484 01:30:00,659 --> 01:30:02,159 One more booster grams. 1485 01:30:02,639 --> 01:30:09,959 Yep. So we got oh for mere mortals, 1123 sets and I'm 1486 01:30:09,959 --> 01:30:15,089 assuming this is Karen could be one does I have a podcast? This 1487 01:30:15,089 --> 01:30:19,649 is Karen have a podcast called renaissance in Spanglish that I 1488 01:30:19,649 --> 01:30:22,799 did for a year but stopped due to time constraints. Do I still 1489 01:30:22,799 --> 01:30:26,819 update it? No. But I feel that book reviews from an Aussie 1490 01:30:26,819 --> 01:30:30,149 perspective in Spanish is still valuable. I think you're bang on 1491 01:30:30,149 --> 01:30:32,729 that it's advertising is the advertising perspective that 1492 01:30:32,729 --> 01:30:36,299 views them as less valuable our books in the public domain now 1493 01:30:36,299 --> 01:30:40,469 no longer considered books. Okay, so I guess he's referring 1494 01:30:40,529 --> 01:30:44,309 to you know, yeah, so called quote unquote stale dead 1495 01:30:44,310 --> 01:30:49,110 feeds dead filthy. Dead feed man's dad's dad has not updated 1496 01:30:49,110 --> 01:30:51,300 dad can advertise again says no God. 1497 01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:59,910 Anonymous 1400 sets and the messages, streaming sets greater 1498 01:30:59,910 --> 01:31:00,690 than Spotify. 1499 01:31:02,700 --> 01:31:08,640 By the way, that new term for dead feed is it should be 1500 01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:12,810 something like evergreen. Evergreen evergreen, how about 1501 01:31:12,810 --> 01:31:15,630 we have quite a number of evergreen feeds. Oh, really? 1502 01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:22,620 Sounds expensive. Perennial perennial feeds. Ah, okay, I'm 1503 01:31:22,620 --> 01:31:23,370 writing it down. 1504 01:31:24,780 --> 01:31:29,340 Jon's BRT gave us 4900 sets and he says the pod say just killing 1505 01:31:29,340 --> 01:31:37,470 it. Yes, I am Brother. See, sir Pete gave us a sack of ducks. 1506 01:31:37,500 --> 01:31:43,680 2200 Excuse me. 22,222 sets. He says this is a medium sized sack 1507 01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:51,960 of ducks. These emojis work. Yes, they do. They do. Oh, what 1508 01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:55,770 we got here. Oh, Chad, Pharaoh, Chad, Pharaoh of the instant 1509 01:31:55,770 --> 01:32:01,950 retweet. Sats 333 SATs. He says streaming at 65 cents per minute 1510 01:32:01,950 --> 01:32:07,740 for episode 65. Go pocket. Oh, I like that. Yes. So it just goes 1511 01:32:07,740 --> 01:32:08,610 up each episode. 1512 01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:13,920 What I like about Chad is he's my canary in the coal mine. I 1513 01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:16,590 know. Everything's working because Chad has boosted it. 1514 01:32:17,310 --> 01:32:21,810 It's like Chad has retweeted it. Chad has commented on it. Chad 1515 01:32:21,810 --> 01:32:25,200 has interacted with it. Whatever it is. Chad has done it. And 1516 01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:28,530 it's for everything that comes out like boom, okay. Oh, I don't 1517 01:32:28,530 --> 01:32:31,050 have to see this. No complaints is worked for Chad. 1518 01:32:31,710 --> 01:32:40,050 He's like the Pingdom Yes, yes. Yeah. Oscar Mary seca sevens 1519 01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:43,200 7777 SATs he says boost the dip. 1520 01:32:43,410 --> 01:32:51,990 Not yet, by the way. They got some nice swag over there. At 1521 01:32:51,990 --> 01:32:57,750 the at the fountain shop and get a boost hoodie. Yeah, 1522 01:32:57,780 --> 01:32:58,890 I bought on that mug. 1523 01:32:59,130 --> 01:33:01,770 No, I got I got a mug for Tina and I got it. I picked up 1524 01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:05,160 another beautiful item I picked up the boost hoodie. Can't wait 1525 01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:09,690 to walk around a hill country without Hey, son. What's the 1526 01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:12,780 most about you're gonna 1527 01:33:12,780 --> 01:33:16,230 be like a double a double sized version of Jack Mahler's 1528 01:33:16,440 --> 01:33:21,300 Yes, exactly. Right. And then I need a t shirt with pew pew Yes. 1529 01:33:21,330 --> 01:33:23,070 Yeah, that's that's the next t shirt I need. 1530 01:33:23,700 --> 01:33:26,670 Have no agenda on these do that Brian of London send us 1000 1531 01:33:26,670 --> 01:33:30,270 SATs nice and he says need to remind you about my $10 per week 1532 01:33:30,270 --> 01:33:33,120 repeating value for value as high dollars go podcast go 1533 01:33:33,150 --> 01:33:37,740 Hi. We got some high high bucks. have books. Thank you, Mr. 1534 01:33:37,740 --> 01:33:38,220 Brown. Go. 1535 01:33:41,190 --> 01:33:44,880 Alright, we get some monthly so you Alice gates, the podcasting. 1536 01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:48,510 2.0 consultants gave us $25 Thank you. I'll add Jeremy. 1537 01:33:48,690 --> 01:33:55,560 Jeremy Cavanaugh $10 Jeffrey Rutherford. $5 Chris Cowan $5 1538 01:33:55,950 --> 01:34:02,340 Daymond Cassie Jack $15 You're in Miller $10 Paul Saltzman 1539 01:34:02,370 --> 01:34:08,130 $22.22 Thank you, Paul. Derek Fisker and longtime supporter 1540 01:34:08,130 --> 01:34:15,540 $21. Lauren ball he's now Lauren donation dropped off it like the 1541 01:34:15,540 --> 01:34:20,880 Pay Pal dropped it and then he redid it for more money so thank 1542 01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:27,480 you. Appreciate that. Cool. And David Norman. He have the 1543 01:34:27,660 --> 01:34:31,470 hypertension for cancer. You know I love that hyper catcher 1544 01:34:31,500 --> 01:34:35,190 like David is evidently busy with life and kids and stuff and 1545 01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:38,340 but hyper catcher just keeps on just keeps on taking 1546 01:34:38,550 --> 01:34:42,390 diesel engine. It's a diesel engine of my my entire world 1547 01:34:42,390 --> 01:34:42,930 right now. 1548 01:34:43,170 --> 01:34:45,660 Yeah, this chapter is just keep on going Drebin. I 1549 01:34:45,660 --> 01:34:48,030 look at it from time to time. So how's the diesel engine running? 1550 01:34:48,030 --> 01:34:51,150 Still running boss? Okay, you need to lube that thing up a 1551 01:34:51,150 --> 01:34:55,050 little bit. Now. Now David's on it. So it's single check off. 1552 01:34:57,120 --> 01:35:02,370 Jeremy Gorjuss give us $5 My buddy Timothy Huggins, so on 1553 01:35:02,370 --> 01:35:06,900 this past week gave us $25. David would find give us $3. And 1554 01:35:06,900 --> 01:35:11,310 Nygma labs gave us $20. And Thomas Sullivan, Jr, my favorite 1555 01:35:11,310 --> 01:35:16,860 name gave us $5. That's beautiful. And now, as the 1556 01:35:16,860 --> 01:35:18,930 French say, it is timeful 1557 01:35:19,140 --> 01:35:22,500 loosed. Well, thank you all very much for supporting podcasting 1558 01:35:22,500 --> 01:35:26,040 2.0, the podcast, the board meeting, but really the project 1559 01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:29,190 and I love where everyone puts put, I mean, everyone who's 1560 01:35:29,190 --> 01:35:32,910 working on it puts into it, too. It's just it's fantastic. We 1561 01:35:32,910 --> 01:35:36,510 continue to move forward. And since we have you guys here in 1562 01:35:36,510 --> 01:35:41,400 the in the boardroom, is there anything we can do for you for 1563 01:35:41,400 --> 01:35:42,870 the podcast, Guru crew? 1564 01:35:44,100 --> 01:35:48,960 Yeah. So Joseph had to bail. So it's just me now. But I mean, I 1565 01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:52,320 don't think I could ask you guys to do anything more. I mean, you 1566 01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:54,750 know, two years ago, I was thinking, Man, I'm going to have 1567 01:35:54,750 --> 01:35:57,300 to do my own search individually. Just add in how 1568 01:35:57,300 --> 01:36:01,650 much effort that was, is what you guys have provided for free 1569 01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:05,970 is amazing. And I just hope you keep doing it as long as you're 1570 01:36:05,970 --> 01:36:06,300 able. 1571 01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:08,610 Thanks. Thanks, Jason. 1572 01:36:09,150 --> 01:36:11,850 None of it for free. None of us for free. But you're you're 1573 01:36:11,850 --> 01:36:14,190 doing it right. You bring them back enormous value by 1574 01:36:14,190 --> 01:36:15,120 contributing. 1575 01:36:15,870 --> 01:36:19,800 Right? Yeah. Is it? I mean, what is you know, all those all the 1576 01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:23,100 donations, we just read. I mean, it's, that's, that's what makes, 1577 01:36:23,310 --> 01:36:26,250 that's what makes it possible to provide that stuff to you to the 1578 01:36:26,250 --> 01:36:30,000 app developers for free. And it is a huge pain in the butt. I 1579 01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:34,650 don't think people understand how big of it's a no, it's not 1580 01:36:34,650 --> 01:36:39,060 really the software that goes into the aggregation and all 1581 01:36:39,060 --> 01:36:43,230 that jazz. It's the server management, and all of the 1582 01:36:43,230 --> 01:36:46,200 sysadmin crap that goes along with it, and you got to back it 1583 01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:49,830 up. You got to have, you know, I mean, we have 20 servers running 1584 01:36:49,860 --> 01:36:54,780 to do all this stuff. And so, I mean, that was really what we 1585 01:36:54,900 --> 01:36:58,440 started to do at the beginning was what the whole point was, 1586 01:36:58,620 --> 01:37:01,320 was to make it to where podcast guru didn't have to run 20 1587 01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:05,100 servers. Because then, I mean, you just don't have time to do 1588 01:37:05,100 --> 01:37:07,050 any development when you're working on that stuff all the 1589 01:37:07,050 --> 01:37:07,350 time. 1590 01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:12,810 No, it's it's an amazing amount of work. Yeah, and I recognize 1591 01:37:12,810 --> 01:37:16,590 that, um, because I said, I, you know, I just did some rough math 1592 01:37:16,590 --> 01:37:19,260 on you know, how much it would cost me to aggregate all these 1593 01:37:19,260 --> 01:37:23,340 beads and it's, it's just not something I would want to buy 1594 01:37:23,340 --> 01:37:23,670 off. 1595 01:37:24,390 --> 01:37:29,820 Yeah. What what, what do you what do you think in for, for 1596 01:37:29,820 --> 01:37:33,420 the near term future? Do you think you'll you know, what's on 1597 01:37:33,420 --> 01:37:36,570 your roadmap as far as if you're willing to divulge me what kind 1598 01:37:36,570 --> 01:37:37,800 of where you're working on now? 1599 01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:44,250 Um, well, we want to continue working on on the podcasting 2.0 1600 01:37:44,250 --> 01:37:47,220 features. We're also doing some stuff with the pod chaser guys 1601 01:37:47,460 --> 01:37:51,360 trying to get podcast and episode reviews in there. I 1602 01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:55,140 definitely want to get with looking at the comments as well. 1603 01:37:57,000 --> 01:38:02,670 But that sounds like a rabbit hole. But thankfully, yeah, coin 1604 01:38:02,670 --> 01:38:08,250 in front of that. Yeah, so I don't like I said, when I 1605 01:38:08,250 --> 01:38:10,890 started working on this app, I thought it was gonna be just a 1606 01:38:10,890 --> 01:38:14,940 quick thing and I'd be done and it's never that way. There's 1607 01:38:14,940 --> 01:38:19,680 always something else I want to implement. I would love to do 1608 01:38:19,950 --> 01:38:26,460 IPF IPFS. Media. Alright, and even going, not even going 1609 01:38:26,460 --> 01:38:29,490 through a gateway. Like if I can figure out how to get lifted up 1610 01:38:29,490 --> 01:38:31,800 in the app and not read that stuff directly. It would be 1611 01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:32,910 pretty awesome. Well, brother, 1612 01:38:32,910 --> 01:38:35,820 when you do that, you can consider me your guinea pig. I 1613 01:38:35,820 --> 01:38:40,260 will definitely publish IPFS. Um, I'm very excited to see if 1614 01:38:40,260 --> 01:38:42,210 we can make that work finally. Awesome. 1615 01:38:42,420 --> 01:38:45,060 Yeah, we'll definitely need some people to help us test that 1616 01:38:45,570 --> 01:38:50,730 stress test for sure. All right, Podcast. guru.io is where you 1617 01:38:50,730 --> 01:38:55,920 can find the the app Jason and I know Joseph had to hop off but 1618 01:38:55,920 --> 01:39:00,420 thank you so much for joining us in the boardroom. And thank you 1619 01:39:00,420 --> 01:39:03,510 for everything you've done, man. Have a great holiday season. 1620 01:39:03,510 --> 01:39:04,830 Merry Christmas, etc. 1621 01:39:05,730 --> 01:39:08,250 You guys is a really, really fun. 1622 01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:17,520 Mr. Dave? Yep. Anything. Know, I'm, I'm heading back to work. 1623 01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:20,280 But then I've got to think at some point tonight, I'm going to 1624 01:39:20,280 --> 01:39:25,470 try to get those book fixes in or not, those changes made for l 1625 01:39:25,470 --> 01:39:28,770 pack and get that pack back up. And other than that, I've got 1626 01:39:29,130 --> 01:39:32,160 I've just got a couple other things I'm gonna look at this 1627 01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:33,720 weekend, but I'm good. 1628 01:39:34,260 --> 01:39:38,520 Excellent. Well, I'll I'll do the task cam update on next 1629 01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:41,190 board meeting, which will be fun because there's some real 1630 01:39:41,190 --> 01:39:44,040 nerdiness that I can talk about. So it's gonna be we'll see if 1631 01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:46,110 something comes out of that. I may even have more information 1632 01:39:46,110 --> 01:39:46,560 by then. 1633 01:39:47,010 --> 01:39:52,830 Oh, we got you know, this is. This is Christmas week. So we've 1634 01:39:52,830 --> 01:39:56,490 got a we've got a special episode for next week. James. 1635 01:39:56,640 --> 01:39:57,750 Caitlin's gonna be joining us. 1636 01:39:57,780 --> 01:40:01,080 I know I know you're in review Have you wait he'll be wearing 1637 01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:09,000 the Santa bikini? I hear is the board meeting podcasting 2.0 1638 01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:11,700 We'll be back here next week. Join us then. Take care 1639 01:40:11,700 --> 01:40:12,180 everybody. 1640 01:40:27,990 --> 01:40:32,550 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcasts 1641 01:40:32,580 --> 01:40:37,080 index.org For more information boost boost boost podcast.