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Yeah, I've got a report from the front lines you see. Hello,
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to Mr. Dave Jones. The polar code? Yes. Yeah, you are the
pope of polars. I feel like a real podcaster for the first
time in my life, but Right, right, this very minute. Okay,
let's, let's, let's explore this feeling. It's it's really
simple. not complicated at all.
I put on pants, like 30 minutes before the show started.
Now, you know, I mean, you'll you'll get used to just not even
doing that. I mean, obviously, I'm not wearing my pants because
you know, I'm a veteran veteran. podcaster okay, you're a newbie,
though. I'm glad you have that feeling. I really struggled with
it. I was like,
in my in my pajamas, or don't want to actually put on pants.
And the pants worn out. I was like, you know, I want to feel
like a professional. I'm a fan. We're live. We're live
streaming. And I think it's still curio cast are the one
that has all the signaling anyone else implement that?
Yeah. No, that's a problem to me. Like this. Live needs to be
in everything. Everything. Yeah, well, I mean, we're just getting
started. So people need to see the beauty of it. And of course,
the helipad is live, you want to boost? While we're doing this.
And we are one day late for our regular board meeting, which is
something I don't like doing at all. People tend to schedule
their lives around podcasts.
Which is no, this is the first week that since we've been doing
this show that I've really wished that we had did it was
like twice a week, because there was so much stuff. I mean, we
just got a pile of things here. And I felt like a lot of reading
like a lot of
spec specs and protocols and all this in proposals and there's
just so much going on this week and your as your escapades
around know, around the world. Yeah. Like
how am i How deep are we? Okay?
How far am I allowed to ask you about your vacation? Oh, as much
as you open for business, of course. I mean, I don't I don't
want to pre you know, preempt the no agenda show tomorrow. So
I didn't want to get too deep.
But
please
ask me ask me. I care. I'm ready to tell tales. Number one, on a
on a scale of one to 10 Overall, the C one being a go into the
dentist in 10 being like the greatest vacation you've ever
had. What was what? Write this?
It's it didn't qualify as a vacation. I'm more tired now
than before I left. I think that was my first comment. Like hey,
do you need a vacation? Yes, I do. I'll just explain briefly
what happened we were supposed to go to Aruba. This was
we wanted to go to an island we wanted it to be you know not too
far away. We just wanted to be the resort just chill out just
be served drinks on the beach. That's basically all we care
about. And we booked everything well in advance and you know
Tina had she likes to plan all the Okay, we're gonna do the
dinner on the beach and we're gonna do this and that tequila
to not tequila tasting was wrong or whatever. And we'll have this
restaurant and she has all outfits planned and you know
because we do it once a year we do a big trip because I have to
do best of shows and it's you know, we can we travel we can
travel frequently, but you know, then I'm always working. I'm
always taking the rig with me I'm always prepping etc. Now
there's the dog's time you didn't do any of that you didn't
really get or anything No, no, I mean, I Well, I still had to
best of shows that I had to upload you know, gotta gotta do
the RSS feed got to hit the pod ping got to do the tweaks. But
that's that's okay. And it's like a half hours worth of work
two times during the vacation. But it's just it's more that I
don't have to be paying attention everything the world
will still be there when I get back is you know, so I don't
have to be looking at what's going on.
So we had a we
Now we knew that the airports could be busy knowing that from
our no agenda producers, you never want to book something in
the last week of the month because of the shortage of
pilots. When they run out of their 100 hours a month, that's
when flights get canceled. And we and we saw massive problems,
especially at Austin. Bergstrom, people were abandoning their
rental cars. This was a couple days before we were supposed to
leave and we were gonna leave from San Antonio's nicer, nice
airport. ominous sign, by the way, right.
And it was American Airlines. So we are just about to get in the
car at 3am. And by the way, so Thursday, I did no agenda than
you and I did the board meeting. I slept for a couple hours and
boom, we're in the car. Just getting into the car flight
canceled. We've rebooked you for tomorrow. So we're already like
holy crap, okay. And, and there's no other routing.
There's nothing else to do. And then we're supposed to go from
Miami to Miami, Miami to Aruba and they rebooked us for the
next day on
Saturday
through North Carolina, okay. Okay. So,
you know, and but no, of course I'm up until like six you're
talking to airlines and trying to figure everything out. So a
little tired, but then we get up the next day. I mean, we're
getting up to get in the car at three 315 Boom flight canceled
the flight from North Carolina to Aruba. Don't worry, we'll fly
to North Carolina you stay two nights and then you can still
get to Aruba. And we look at each other like nah, this is not
gonna happen. And this is a disappointment. So we go we go
back. Now we just like talking Let's just sleep for a little
bit. And to what what can we do? We just wanted to just want to
beach. Let's just go to Florida. Very difficult to find anything
that was even affordable, strangely enough. So we wind up
at a Marriott place in Fort Lauderdale. I know. It's, it
sounds exactly as what it was. It was hanging hanging out right
there for a second though. When you say hard to find anything
even even affordable. Is that because like that mean? That's
all lack of staff and inflation and as Yes. Well, the prices is
inflation. If you want a
like a room that you want to stay in for a few days, a
minimum $800 A Night at any kind of reasonably quality Hotel. Now
you want to go upscale you want to go four seasons, two and a
half $1,000 A night that's not a sweet night. Yep.
But but but that wasn't even the price of that. And I'll tell you
we were in the Ritz Carlton which is owned by Marriott it's
it's yeah, it used to be a really big name it's okay. The
staff that was there was phenomenal. They actually saved
anything for us. But I mean the the rooms Weren't they had no
staff they the nothing was clean the the pool area was not
nothing was was just dirty. There's cigarette butts
everywhere takes forever to get anybody to even bring you even
ask if you want to drink. I mean, it was it was the longest
four days ever. It was just like and by the way we so in order to
get there we had to go to Austin stay at the airport Hilton Hotel
to be in line at 4am for the two and a half hours to get through
security because they don't have any. There's not enough TSA
agents they need 100 Extra agents in Austin they can't get
people to work. So this is the collapse of the system it is
upon us Yeah, this is
this is what I think this is what I said to you the other day
lesson learned to do not take a vacation during the during the
downfall of civilization. And I didn't I actually thought and I
joked about it said well I didn't let's go now because I
think she's gonna start falling apart pretty soon and it came
before I even expected it and everyone's talking about it
everybody like people just don't want to work and I understand
because you know what wound up wound up happening is so we're
kind of like this is sucks and Tina to schedule the full day of
massage and everything and he said why don't you once you call
once you call max and Stacy if you can still get on that panel
at the Bitcoin 2022 Which, you know, they had asked me but I
declined because we're on vacation. I was I was supposed
to go anyway, but I just needed the break so far already have so
we already had tickets like yeah, we bought tickets last
year. Yeah. And I couldn't. I couldn't go because it's it's
right in the heart of crunch time of Texas. Right. And then
you and then you ended up having a conflict with your vacation.
So we ended up we had the tickets but we couldn't go so
you felt you were like able to fall back
Have you already had a ticket? Yes.
And so, Max and Stacy were like, Oh, this is great. We'd love to
Okay, fantastic. We'll take care of you. We'll get you over
there.
As so the panel was bitcoin is fu money. And it was it was
this. This I guess, Boxer who's from Cameroon but I think he
boxes in.
In Vegas. He's a big attract. He's very famous. They're in a
world. His His arm was bigger than my head. St. Francis, very
nice guy. But he was on crutches so you could probably easily
easily. Now funny enough Dave Portnoy from Barstool Sports. He
was supposed to be on the panel. And then me and right before we
started,
Portnoy just said, I don't feel like it. And he just he just
said, No, I'm not going to do it. Which was really odd. Oh, so
he was there. He just he was oh, yeah, he's just like, Man, I
want to do it. Now. Well, they're big. They're big podcast
publisher.
Thank you sold Barstool Sports I'm not quite sure I don't know
exactly your story.
But I don't know I don't know why he Why didn't want to show
it. So yeah, there's a there's a YouTube video that people can
can see that but but more important to me and that was
really the reason to go is Roy breeze I was in town and and I
love just sitting down with Roy and hanging out with him and
getting the an alternative view to the world of lightning and
Bitcoin to what I think we typically hear in like the
venture funded land roll is like he's like the PhD of Bitcoin.
Like just didn't
say lightning. I mean, really, like lightning is so his
wheelhouse and he just knows what yet all the players what
everybody's doing. And, but also there were I knew that Oscar
Mary would be there. So I also wanted to connect with Oscar so
we could chat about comments and booster grams, etc.
So but getting it the conference, this is the this is
what I really want everyone to know.
I would just walk through just from what I couldn't walk,
people kept stopping me and saying, Hey, man, podcasting.
2.0 Which was cool. On one hand was really great. On the other
hand, I wish they were talking more about value for value.
You know, but just, um, just identifying what it was. It was
it was so crazy. And I think the reason why people were stopping
me is because I saw you on Rogan, right? Sorry on Rogen.
Yeah, you almost orange pilled him
but, you know, so then I'm hanging out with Roy and and
he's introducing all kinds of interesting people like the
block stream people and, and other the guy from Bitcoin beach
and some other people.
And Roy will be talking about podcasting. 2.0 And these people
didn't even know that I was involved.
Oh, see, which is exact versus what I want, you know, different
from last year because last year when nobody knew what podcasting
2.0 Last year, okay, here's the difference. Last year, we stood
in line for two hours in the blazing heat. This year, they
gave me a pass and a whale bracelet. Nice. Which is pretty.
It's pretty much a emotional just put a target on my head.
That's like, hey, kidnap me or shoot me or do whatever you
know, or, Hey, we need any key managers on us.
Kidnapping insurance, right? Hate me. I just don't have one
that says plebs. I would much much more prefer that ring of
fire. Yeah.
So let me let me first talk about Oscar.
And I forgotten okay, but let me let me let me ask you one thing
real quick. Yeah. Oscar.
Is he tall or short?
He's about in between you and I.
Okay, all right. Okay, so he's standard SAS. He's standard
issue. Yes. And I forget his, his business partners name. I
feel like an idiot now. Nice guy.
Nick, Nick. Want to say was just to set the stage here. So
actually, let me go back for a second. So and I'll talk about
what was Roy and I had lunch and we learned a lot and a lot of
cool shit to discuss. And then we went back and I said, Roy,
why don't you just come with me and go to the and stay in the
green room. And so you can sit there there's there's drinks,
it's you know, there's good. There's a great TV. You don't
have to sit in the audience to sit back here and watch it all.
It's cool.
He's like, fantastic. And this was, you know, they had a proper
greenroom. It was a very, very big venues. And it was
incredible to see all the technology they had for video of
every single stage it was, this thing is big and well done. And
so we do the do the panel, and it's 25 minutes and I get off
the stage and there's Roy, let's say, What do you think, man? He
said, Well, I saw only the first five minutes because then Jack
Mahler's security detail came in and said everybody has to leave
the green room. You can't be here when Jack is here.
Whoa, and I lost my shirt. I lost my shit. I said Who the
fuck I mean even like especially in entertainment show business
world this is not done to green room as a safe space for all I
was just like oh my god. I was that guy all about like Joe
Rogan has security you don't see his guys you know it's like I
have dinner with Joe is guys their buddies in the back
somewhere you know see him and it's just it's none of this
clearing it out or it's like what the fuck?
That's a little weird. Very disappointing. Very
disappointing.
You know we were little were a little worried about that last
year with all you know, he's you know, with a Lambo and all that
stuff. I mean, like it's there's a little bit of something going
on there that I don't understand the only other thing I could I
could think that it is because he comes from an incredibly
powerful wealthy
commodities trading family like Chicago Board of exchange and
you know, that's he is his involvement and the people and
the company's backing a strike are not by accident. So it's
possible that this is you know, there are lots of lots of very
wealthy families who act like this and have security details
that do this stuff because I know them so it's possible that
it's not him making that decision he just doesn't have a
choice this like this is always right. But I will also say all
of the children of those families that I know that act
like that turned out to be dickheads
so he doesn't need to be careful. Doesn't need to be
careful. Anyway, so then we then we went to the like the VIP how
man I wish I recorded this there was a VIP lounge where you know,
speakers lounge, and it was sponsored by some trading
platform that does NF T's and blah blah blah. And then the CEO
comes up to me oh my god, you would have laughed your ass off
at this takes it but what do you guys do? I said no podcasting to
point out. Oh, yeah. You know,
Norm Pattice from Westeros my best guy pockets my best friend
podcast why I do a lot of stuff with podcasts are so what are
you doing? So we do streaming payments and Bitcoin and
podcasting? 2.0 Yeah, who's making a lot of money with that?
Who did anyone making any money? To? Yeah, me. I just fucking
just threw it out there. Like this guy? Oh, yeah. Well, you
know, podcast, too, you know. Um, so what, what do you do
then? What do you do? So Well, first of all, I invented it. And
it was me. It doesn't translate you have to be that I just this
guy was such the epitome of like a venture capital aihole.
Ah.
And you're at that point, you're, you're looking at the
watch and saying I could have been in Aruba right now. I'm,
I'm looking at Roy. Roy's eyes are like, What the hell is going
on here?
So then subsequently, everywhere, Rhode Island said,
Oh, let me hold on to the door for you. Because you're
celebrity. Oh, let's go to lunch. But do you need an Uber
XL because you know your celebrity.
Got a good time. Nice. But then. So I said to Oscar and I just
partisan. Come on up here. And we sat down and we chatted great
chat.
Oscars thought thought through all this. And did Roy and Oscar
get get to chat? Absolutely. Oh, yeah. No, we were we were all
chatting together. Now. It was good. It was really good. And of
course, there's going to be crossover there. Because
fountain needs a different as everybody does, we need
noncustodial wallet solutions. So that we don't have to deal
with. I mean, the way you know the way Roy explains it, to me
really,
anyone having an app in the store that has something like
the systems that we have is kind of a fluke.
Unless you unless you unless you have a money transmitter license
or some shit like that. So you sent me you sent me an article
that he wrote, is that public now? I mean, I said yes. So so
that I mean, that pretty much outlines what their plans are
well, so Exactly. So there's and also,
voltage also has a similar type, initiative and product. So okay,
But I'd like to explain it from from the from the breeze
perspective. And the link to the article is in the show notes.
And what was it called? A new breeze, multiple apps remote
odes nodes, optimal, optimal UX.
He's got let me write the titles.
Yeah. So the basically, a breeze has always been a an LSP, a
lightning service provider with the breeze app, as an example of
what you can do with a company that manages liquidity manages
channels manages the swaps from on chain and off chain, really a
transactional system. So not a hodling type system, but
something that you can use continuously. And when you think
about it, for for value for value. breezes, a very
interesting onboarding experience, because you get the
app you can buy right in the app from moon. Now, your results may
vary. But you can buy it for moon and it pops right into your
wallet as as lightning and good to go. So the the onboarding is
really nice. Now,
there's all kinds of issues with having a full node on your
mobile device. And there's lots of things that just don't work.
And also it makes your phone hot drains your battery.
And your Android. Android is the first one to make jokes about
this. So he's teamed up with block stream
who do the C lightning implementation? And well, very
well funded. I have no idea they have lots. No, they have lots of
money. I think they have something like I saw some sort
of investment thing that they had few months ago, and it was
like $300 million. Isn't the Wow, lots of money. Yeah. Ah,
when we crap, yeah, they got they got big money.
So now,
Roy has teamed with them. And I'm just going to get kind of
given it in a nutshell, because the details you can go really
far down the hall. But the idea is, you do have a cloud based
node,
which will be able to receive any type of payment, including a
key send, even if your mobile client where you have your keys
is not, in fact, they've all even devised a way where two
offline. Mobile devices could do a transaction offline. I mean,
it's it's really quite incredible. The point being that
you can have all the functionality of a lightning
service provider with all of these
six security and responsibility of having a self hosted door
noncustodial wallet.
Right. So they're hosting the they're hosting the
infrastructure, but it's not custodial. Because you have you
own the keys correct. And there's and there's other things
in the receiving with HTML, CSS, and nodes and then or channels
in the middle that makes the receiving side just as secure. I
can't really explain it. But bottom line, what breeds so the
breeze app that we see today has always been an example of what
you can do. But Roy's real business is he wants to provide
an API for basically the Gmail of wallets without without the
you know, the the lock in the spying, etc. But it should be as
easy as saying, I want a wallet, there's your wallet. And then
you're good to go. Basically, everything else is taken care
of.
From what I understand it will cost you nothing, of course just
like breeze the app now, you pay in fees, like the way it should
be the way services are supposed to work.
And you know, so this will be we can spin this up for almost
anything.
Interesting. That's a really that's a really cool idea. Yeah.
Now, is this all based on? This is based on? Is this based on
watch towers? Or is this the what it's called Greenlight?
Which is a product that
the block stream has. And it's, I think, yes, there's some
Watchtower stuff in there, but
I can't answer the question. I really can't. It. You know, we
need to get Roy on to explain it when he's when he's ready to
explain it. What's what's there? Did he have a timeline yet? Or
is it just well, when when he first told us about it, because
we have known that this was coming? He said six months? So
I'd say six months.
We're still six months out. Now voltage, who we currently use
for our for our index node and I have other nodes there and lots
of people are using it too. So they are also
Going now voltage looks like, from what I'm seeing there will
also be a lightning service provider, but seems more like on
an industrial scale just from the release. I mean, holy crap,
the amount of stuff that that will be done with voltage. I
mean, it was I, did you get to meet? Do you get to meet up with
the grandmas? Oh, no, no, because I really wanted to be in
and go out. And I thought Tina would have her day of massage
and then by the pool, and of course, it was thunder and
lightning in Fort Lauderdale.
She was in the room, which is like, I gotta go, I gotta go
back. I gotta go be with my girl, because she was doing
filter videos on on Instagram. That's you gotta go save the
woman once that's happening.
Oh, my God, something's wrong.
She's
sorry, she sent me this, this comp collage of her with no big
lips and exaggerated eyelashes and like, Oh, my God, my wife is
in trouble. I have to. I actually said to Roy, I gotta
go, man, I gotta
get the intervention. So I'm terrible.
So I'm really excited about that, because that fixes so many
problems for for apps. And for podcasters. I mean, imagine,
just, hey, podcaster wallet.com, you ready to go just hit the
button, and we spin one up for you. You know, here's different
versions, you know, here's a, an all of the as, as I said, all of
this channel balancing all of that shit is going to go away.
Unless you really want to do it, that's fine. We'll see that
we'll that's the sign of a good. That's a sign of a technology.
That's that's the thing you want. So it is a thing where you
can you can aggregate it into an industrial type product and say,
Okay, here's we're going to provide this as a service to
many people in a sort of semi hosted way or semi custodial
way, is not add on ease that works nicely with custodial.
It's non custodial. But it's, it's it's custodial
infrastructure. Without custodial ownership. Buyers,
yes. Obviously,
just like my Umbral node, which decided to ship the bed while I
was in Florida, you know, I wasn't able to access it. So I
lost three days of payments and booths on this particular node
that can happen in any cloud infrastructure to although it's
more likely, it'll get fixed, yeah, it'll get fixed. So that's
kind of the beauty, the beauty of it. And it's not just if
something is up or down. It's the liquidity and the management
of it. That's, that's what we argue about most. And the most,
the biggest problem is my channel, this and that, and the
tour and whatever. Well, I've been here and I've been I've
been helping, I helped three people in Macedon DNS this week,
with on bra line, liquidity channels, all of these things. I
mean, it's sort of like a constant background noise of, of
the podcasting 2.0 project is trying to make sure all this
stuff gets managed properly. And the end the promise, I think
this is the breeze promise, which I like a lot is, at any
moment, if you want, you can take your whole kit and caboodle
and migrate it right over to your own home setup. See, that's
killer. Yeah, that's killer. If you know, yeah, that's what I'm
saying. Or if this is the sign of a technology that meets all
your criteria, because you can run it at scale, and make it
super easy. But then if you want it, but if you want to bail out
and do it yourself all in an umbrella on a Raspberry Pi and
your home, you can do that, too. I want you you have to have both
because if you're you know a
podcaster in the US and part of the world is going to be at odds
on you all the time. You probably want to run that thing
and you know yourself. Yeah, but in because you voted but if you
if you're in a more open culture, then you can run it and
have it easier. I don't know. I like this. I like the word the
direction this is all going. I feel really really bullish about
it. And there were a lot of lightning announcements, you
know, all kinds of magic things will happen. You know, you pay
for your burger with lightning and lots Now what was
interesting.
Was this announcement from lightning labs.
Who Yeah, who I think signed a
slavery contract.
Oh, no. Yeah, well, they it was a $70 million
Series B. And they raised this money and the money is intended
for them to bring this Tarot product to the market. And Tarot
I forget what the acronym stands for.
will enable the Lightning Network to use stable coins
while settling in Bitcoin?
The Tarot is it's got something to do with tap root. Yeah, I got
it here in the show notes to
Tarot is calling us Tarot stable coin protocol. Yes, the taproot
asset representation overlay, it's NF t's on lightning is what
it is. Yes. Thank you. Well, it's funny because when I said
to Roy, isn't this just about NF T's? He said, No, no, no, not
necessarily. But you know, it's, we don't know exactly what
stable coin is intended, or they intend to use. And I just did
what I always do. And I just go look at who where's this money
coming from? And I just wanted to share that. I wanted to share
that for a moment. So this is from the
valor equity partners was the lead on this on this round.
Now, again, they have a very, they have a big portfolio of all
kinds, they do food, you know, like food technology, all kinds
of stuff I'm against.
But yeah, I just want to read the, the bio of Constantine
Saab, who is the Managing Director and Chief Technology
Officer, which I think would be a I think that's a major player,
wouldn't you agree? I agree. Yes. Until November 2018. Acosta
held number leadership positions at the Central Intelligence
Agency, including Chief Strategy Officer member of CIA's
corporate board Acting Assistant Director, Center, Chief of
Operations and other senior executive and operations
positions, Black Ops, prior to joining the CIA in early 2001.
Hello 911. Kosta was a consultant and entrepreneur in
the management consulting and technology space. This is a
major spook.
This is not this is not a small spook. This is a major book. Did
you say that he is the Chief Strategy Officer of CES Chief
Strategy Officer member of the CIA's corporate board in Q tel.
Acting Assistant Director, acting assistant director of CIA
and Center Chief of Operations Hey gang, now you you have a
people need to understand this that you have you have standing
in this area to intelligence, intelligence analysis my entire
my entire family. My entire family is either CIA or
military. Yeah, so you can spy you anytime there's spot to
spook you win. Oh, hold on a second. I should have I should
have had this one ready.
I guess most people have heard this one before our spot the
spook here it is.
A spa the spook spot to spook everybody wants to spoon.
Yeah, yeah, you win. I mean, it when when it comes to spot
dispute, you always win. So you have standing in this area, but
you know, it's is the Lightning Network is that now? You know,
it's the CIA now embedding with their stable coin.
This is my question. Maybe? I don't know. I mean, it could
just be coincidence.
I love my family to you know, I have no hate. I have no hate for
CIA. It's just you know, it's like something that the press
might want to pick up on. The other investors bait, Bailey
Gifford. Yeah.
Pretty interesting. Arsenal here as well. Yeah, this is this is
big. This is big money. And I don't know. I don't know what to
think about it. But I hope it doesn't take them off the ball
and bail and to where they just like, you know? Well, I do. I
hope that I don't I don't really know, I don't know that I care
that much. Because if you have, if you have an open
implementation mean, the lightning protocol now exists,
and you can see anything and what I think what I think we're
seeing, what I think we're seeing happening is lightning
Labs is probably honing their development more towards finance
users. And yeah, I mean, obviously just big finance,
maybe maybe the NF T's I don't know, according to Roy the spec,
he says the spec is genius, to the way it was written. And so
he's, he doesn't hate it. Roy doesn't, but Roy said Roy
worries about liquidity. So where what is the liquidity of
the Lightning Network going to be? Is that just going to be
stable coins? No, no one really knows how this whole rollout and
I don't think it's we're anywhere near this rolling out
at all. But when you get $70 million, and it's intended to
bring this to market, you're going to be focused on that.
That's just it. You have to Yeah, Where's where's the see
lightning?
Seems like they're more into
said in what we're doing, and in that LDK to that to know that
the block thing? Yeah, I've not many people talking to me about,
about blocking their and their LDK?
I don't know much about that. It's available, though. So it's
not it's not. I mean, I guess what I'm saying is it's not just
lnd. Now, I mean, there are other Yeah. Oh, yeah, no,
there's other implementations. Right. So I mean, it was
overall, just incredibly
exciting to hear that this is all coming. And you know, we
knew it. It's just I think it's happening very fast. So that's
fantastic. And it's going to really open up a lot. I mean, my
head is spinning with ideas that what we can do with with, you
know, really with our scriptable broadcast money. I mean, there's
just so many cool things we can start to do now. And
I would like I mean, I can go, I can come up with ideas forever.
I don't want to do it right now.
Let's talk about some podcasting stuff. Well, let me tell you
about the conversation with Oscar. Oh, yeah. Yes. The pod.
Yeah. That'd be the podcasting stuff. Of this, of this visit,
of this flavor of this. Yes. So what, what Oscar proposed and
what I think is fantastic. He said, Okay, we're going to
change comments to boosts. And
we'll see if we can get a visibility flag in the value
block in the value tag, which would by default, be no or off,
then I think we've pretty much solved the issue. Okay.
Now, he wants to keep the the booster grams
threaded for now the way they are. But he recognizes that this
is not a you know, this is not a way forward because there's no
feedback to you know, heli pad doesn't understand when
something comes in, etc. So that that's stuff that maybe we'll
just shake out as we start to implement real comments. I don't
know. I mean, I there's, in general, I love the idea of
doing much, much more with booster grams and making it two
way etc. I think the most important thing is just to a not
call it lightning comments, I think we all agree that that's
not a good idea. And to actually not call it comments at all, but
booster grams, and in this particular implementation and
fountain, they, they you can surface them. But that doesn't
need to be and he agrees that that's podcaster preference.
So I don't know how we go back and and fix that tag if everyone
agrees, if that's if there's a better way of doing it. But that
that's kind of what we discussed. I think it's I don't
think it's a hard fix. No, it's not it's more of a it's an
evolution. It's not a we can just because anytime you
introduce a new attribute, that's not a big deal, because
you just default it to the way it was without the attribute.
And then you're done. Okay, the default is no. And if the
attribute doesn't exist, we assume no. And just incremental.
Yeah. Okay, that's, of course, da. It's not a, it's not a
problem at all. We can do in depth what we can do that in
Phase Five.
Make a note of that early. So that
Yeah, I mean, and it was, it was great. It was nice to meet him
in person. And, and yeah, we both agree that we everyone had
gotten a little heated and a little. Everyone had gotten over
their skis in one way to including me. So it was it was,
it was a really beautiful moment, because it was something
that rarely happens, as you explained or expressed in the
previous episode. Typically, these things you know, people
get pissed off, there's a fork, you know, shit fails, there's
Yeah, you know, there's families fall apart, divorces, all kinds
of things happen. And then and it got resolved is beautiful.
And I think and I think, I think this is because of the actual
speech part of what we're doing. Because everybody was able to
talk we were able to talk about it on on, on this podcast, you
know, just the open dialogue, no one being in charge of who can
say what I think made this work.
The being a, having that as having open free, free speech
idea as just one of your core principles and a project means
that people have to suck it up. And you have to say, Okay, if if
you can, if one of your core principles is you don't silence
other people's, you know, speech well then when people say things
you don't like you just got to put your big boy pants on and so
it's finalizing the the
A Bitcoin 2022. I think I made I think I did a pretty damn good
of promoting what we're doing on stage. Yes, you did. That was
good. Yeah, it was good. And I and I will say that I promoted
Bri specifically, because I wanted to see
what the response would be. And Roy said that definitely, there
were more downloads, but also, of course, a new podcast
apps.com
and podcaster wallet.com as well.
PLSS I wouldn't say that I've seen an increase in Oh, no, it
was an activity, but isn't, is about normal. I'm curious if
anyone else saw any, any activity, but most important,
that message I have is
the value for value part of of, of the namespace and, and kind
of what falls under podcasting. 2.0 which is a project you know,
pod paying is a part of that namespace, which we'll talk
about in a second. No matter what it is.
And you may not be big into into Bitcoin or value for value. Just
keep your eyes open, because it is bringing people in. I mean,
this is what I saw people like, oh, shit, oh, yeah, podcast.
2.0. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They've all heard about it. And it's, it is
onboarding people. So if that's a hook to get people to enjoy
other things, you know, that's worth considering?
Well, I mean, listening to pod land the other day, and
jam in, and I actually written this down, James made a comment.
He's talking about YouTube, but he said anything is, quote,
anything that has the capability of growing, the medium is a good
thing, and nothing, unquote. And I think this absolutely
qualifies as growing the medium. You know, when you bring in when
you bring in new, new people, especially people and witnesses
that are willing to support the podcasters that they listen to,
well, that's even better. I mean, like, you know, these are,
I don't want to, say paying customers, but I mean, people
that would rather describe it as people who are willing to, to
put their money up to support the people that they listen to,
so that those things don't go away. Now, I too, listen to pod
land, and I'm thinking of breaking up with POD land.
Because now they scoff scoff at me. scoff at me when I say that?
I just disagree with the discoverability. And instead of
getting a counter argument I get
when I disagree with that, too, yeah, what am I actually gonna
I've got a blog post in the word use all that stuff that I ripped
out of the last blog post but yes, there's gonna be another
asset that article to you and you're in a It was literally
like, 5000 words, it was like a Glenn Greenwald order. That was
exactly what I didn't want to say it to you. But I was like,
man, you gotta change the title, shorten it up. I can handle it.
That's Watson, this wasn't in your head. So I ripped all of
that stuff out. That's going to be the next. And the only and
the and what I think people are missing
is, I just disagree with letting a company like alphabet or
YouTube, Google, own your audience. And I just I
fundamentally disagree. And I know the problem from experience
is all of a sudden your audience starts to congeal somewhere and
you have no control over. It could be, you know, on on
Twitter, it can be on Facebook, it can be on YouTube, it can be
anywhere, but you don't really control it. And you know, that's
it always ends sad. Well, everybody got, I mean, everybody
has been pissed off in some shape, form or fashion, again,
at Spotify over the last three to five years. Since they got
into this and in for one thing or another. Wait until YouTube
can I'm talking about people in the independent open podcasting
ecosystem. Wait till YouTube really decides to get into this
game. And you will see what real Google doesn't play. If they
did. If they put the ISR on on your industry. They can crush it
if they want to. Here's the problem I have with all this.
And this does come from listening to pod land. I hear
the industry is doing great. Everything is up. Everyone's
revenue is increasing. 40 50% It's fantastic. This is going so
well. YouTube's gonna get into this. There's a billion dollar
industry. How is it that every single one of these companies is
losing money? Yeah, a caseloads like $30 million, or something
like that. Yeah, I agree why they're losing money. And of
course, the answer is, well, they're investing in podcasting.
How how do you need if there's a billion dollars in the
marketplace?
billion dollars, and you have the big podcasters? How come
you're not attracting that money? Is it really a billion
dollars? where's that going to? Is it split with radio ads
somehow? And it's being attributed a little? I don't
know. But this feels wrong. And if you have a mature, a very
mature marketplace of content,
and what do you need to invest in? Then you're pricing it
wrong. If if you are paying more to your podcast that you're
acquiring, then you can make off of them. What is this? How long
do you have to wait before the network effect kicks in? And I
just come back to what I've said, since I tried it myself.
You cannot monetize the network. And now we see these groups
within Spotify that they're going to go on strike.
And it's all because there's gonna be fun to watch because
they're pissed off because Oh, we didn't get the ads. You know,
we got the wrong ads. You forced us to read this. We don't get
any promotion. The CEO hates us. I've been through this. It does
not work is at least I haven't seen it work. I couldn't make it
work. Well, cotton gin in the chat says well, and then they
abandon it. Okay. Speaking about Yes, Google. Yes. Basically two
abandoned things. But my my point is that the the danger of
YouTube getting into podcasting is not that they abandon it. The
danger of YouTube getting into podcasting, is that they laser
focus on it. And at that point, it could, it could really, they
already have such a dominant position in media, they really
could, if they wanted to
damage, do major damage to the open podcasting ecosystem, they
could suck out so many creators into exclusive deals. Even at a
loss. Yeah, but at a huge way more than Spotify can. So there
it is, this is why they will give up on it. If they ever
really implemented this.
It would have to be an ego play.
For them, for them to really do it, because they will not make
money. This YouTube makes money on cat videos and and children
children videos, you know, and unboxing. It's it's not a
Crowder and, you know, and the big podcasts, it's just not,
that's not important for them. It's all it's the hundreds of
millions of daily views of dumb shit. That's where they make
their money. They're not then if they're not going to pay for
podcasts, I just I do not believe it. I mean, maybe those
Oh, we'll get and the advertisers don't want to
advertise on this shit. Well, that's the point. It's not brand
safe. But they have there, there is one ego play that could come
into effect. And that is that YouTube also has a competitor to
Spotify, YouTube music. And if they wanted to just if they
wanted to take Spotify as level of pain, and just turn it up two
or three notches, they could try to do this in an ego play where
they say, okay, they're already overextended and hurting from
there in podcasting investments. Let's just crank that up another
couple of notches and see how long they last on as a company.
I mean that that's a possibility. And then YouTube
music is a viable alternative at this point, we're going in,
okay, again, that would be only to crush them, which happens in
Silicon Valley. There's a reason why no one has been able to
really do podcasting successfully. Because it's,
it's, it's not possible with the advertising model. It's just not
I mean, I people will disagree with me. And I'll just keep
saying the same thing over and over again.
Podcasts the creative part of them are just not advertiser
evil. This is why the industry focuses on
these well funded content companies that create no brand
safe content that is known in advance and they had a big
budget behind it so you can pre sell it and do a what do they
call that in the advertising I forgot the
the preview crap as a no no, no, no, no, no no it's when when you
show the new programming to all come on chat row. Yeah, the the
upfront Yeah, when you do the upfront and all this and the
upfront is not like you like if you want to say Oh, this is the
upper This is the show, and it's podcasting 2.0 and just it's
great just trust us by now so well what's the content gonna
be? Yeah, and then you have a demo on this Okay, was it gonna
be like this every week and they may go back and listen to it
will you the Adam says fuck a lot. We don't want to advertise
on that. Hit me up. So it's, it's the antithesis
of what podcasting
is I know because I've done it. The advertising is the problem.
And I and I just don't understand where the $1 billion
is going if everybody's losing money, including hosting
companies. Some. So, yeah, yeah. And then, and then this was the
funniest thing. Spotify has suspended service to Russian
customers.
Alright, so there you go. There's your there's your free
and open podcast ecosystem if you've, if you've built up an
audience of people listening on on Spotify, it's Russia today.
Well, who says it isn't Alabama tomorrow? Hey, Alabama has been
shitty. Turn them off. What made it as if all As if I'll read
this, this goes back if you've never read the book, there's an
old book from the revisionist historians base. So post World
War One the the Intel is when sort of the intelligence post
World War One into World War Two is when the intelligence AI
organization ideas really came into its own. And part of one of
one of the one of the discussion points was all the all the
propaganda that had happened during World War One
how it had been countered by the press
right so the the there's this group, and collectively known as
the revisionist the revisionist historians. That's I think
that's where that term originates, where they looked
back post World War One they look back at it and said, you
know, a lot of this stuff that we all have this a lot this
propaganda and it's all bullshit like this, this this idea that
in so there's this book by Albert J knock, it was one of
the revisionists. And you got guys like,
Who's the guy from the Snopes trial? The Snopes Monkey Trial
that that reporter there was quite their famous now.
I'll remember the minute but there were quite a few of these
guys that were revisionist historians. And they and they
spent the next few years after the war debunking literally just
debunking every all the propaganda that had happened.
And with this book by Albert J. nock, called the myth of a
guilty nation.
It's about Germany, and describing how the West had
taken Germany and vilified the entire nation as a block.
And that's mean, that's what happens in all wars. That's,
that's what, that's the way war operates. And the propaganda
side is you vilify the entire nation should every man woman
and child is an evil, you know, this is evil and must be
destroyed. And so that's, that's the, that's what you're one of
the things that you're protecting, against when you
decentralize. And in the ways that we've been talking about
is, you have to protect yourself as a citizen, from the things
that your government may do. Yes, ostensibly in your name in
order to get you cancelled when you had nothing to do with this.
You know, so like, I mean, if, if the EU, if the US goes and
invades Iraq, and some you know,
country in Europe decides that that is evil, and wants to Can't
you know, wants to cancel their my account with their business?
Well, then that's a problem. I had nothing to do with it. I
didn't use that didn't invade Iraq. And I think I think in
today's day and age of there really being no borders online.
Yeah, a lot. Most people are in a frenzy right now. And Putin
equals Russia and F Russia and Assad. But you know, we all know
people and you know, so now the people are, are communicating.
Of course, that was the first thing that had to get shut off
from both sides. I might point out Russia, cutting off social
networks, the social networks cutting off Russia, this is not
a sustainable situation. But But besides that, if the if they can
do it to an entire country, and this is not new, as you point
out, they can do it to any country, or any state or any
individual, as long as there's enough political will, literally
political will not law.
Just political will, so that you scare everybody. And it's not.
So Spotify doesn't care, obviously. But I heard Todd
saying that Lipson has Russian podcasters who can't pay for
their servers because MasterCard visa doesn't work anymore.
To which I said how about Bitcoin but I didn't hear back.
Didn't hear. But are you then a trader? Are you a trader to
Ukraine and America if you help your customers, pay for their
service or maybe defer it until things calm down? Because in
today's political lexicon
On You are you actually are carrying water for Putin? That's
that's going to be the subtitle of my autobiography carrying
water for Putin. No, no, no, no. Dave de Jones. I didn't hear
back.
HL Mencken is the guy who is trying to think Oh, right,
right. Of course. Yeah. So I mean, you got some Yeah, I was I
was gonna launch us into hopefully what you want to talk
about as well, which is, which stemmed from your, from your
blog post some conversations we had. And I think an overall
desire in general, to rebrand part of what we're doing under
podcast in 2.0, specifically, the namespace and to rebrand it
to something like the podcast, standard podcast standards, and
in fact, probably a good idea to create the podcast standards
working group, so that now that we have a standard, and it's
implemented, we can go out and start evangelizing it as
something that everybody understands. And I would say
specifically, hosting companies will understand when customers
start asking for the podcast standard.
Yeah, yeah. So that's really, that's really what this is. And
this all you know, a lot of this comes from a conversation that
we had really sort of a brainstorming conversation we
had with Kevin over Buzzsprout.
He called us said, Hey, I've got some ideas, just Brent, you
know, strategizing, brainstorming, thinking about
this stuff. And
the podcast we've known for a long time, and then podcasting.
2.0, what does it even mean? I mean, we like it. You know,
it's, it's a, it's an interesting term phrase to use.
And I think I think it's, it helps to think about, okay, this
is the next sort of the next iteration of what podcasting can
be. But, but really, then, then what, like, there's no, there's
no sort of like, follow up there. What do you don't quite
understand? Well, once it is when you say podcasting 2.0
Yeah, no, I understand. I thought
I heard you wrong. Okay, God. Yes, exactly. Yeah, it's a
concept. It's a concept, not a white paper, and what you really
need for some concrete implementation, and I think this
is a lot of the confusion that happens when, like when Todd
says, you know, we need we need a website that explains this
stuff.
I understand the understand the desire and the desire there
because you it is something that is hard to explain in general.
And so the, the idea that they were talking about as well,
let's just call it instead of calling it the podcast namespace
for the podcasting two point or podcasting, 2.0. The podcasting
2.0 project,
is creating the podcasting standards.
And that really should be the main thrust of what we're doing.
Is pod This is the podcast standard.
Yes, you, you and that what that means is the podcast, podcast
standards body or I don't want to call it a body what I like to
work in group working group. Yeah, okay. The podcasts and
standards are the end result. That's the thing that that's
that's our deliverable, if we want to use a sleazy VC phrase
is, is these are these are a set of standards and the standards
that are encompass the namespace.
The things like pod paying and adjacent technologies, and one
that we may, hopefully we'll get to talk about today, like JpT,
which is a new Alex proposal.
And then also a set of
other things like
block lists, or four things, how to handle how to handle feeds
properly, things like
bringing together RFCs that may have been forgotten about and
discussing whether or not they should be formalized into a more
current iteration, things like page feeds and stuff like that.
These are all things that get constantly talked about within
podcasting to Bono, and podcasting. Supernote doesn't
necessarily represent a good way to determine these things.
Right. And so if a podcast host or app is going forward with
podcasting 2.0 features, what they would be doing is they
would be trying to adhere to the podcasting standards.
Going that's the, what we figured out is is a good way to
describe it. So you could have you can imagine that a
podcasting conference, you can have a booth that you know with
a with a D
Carolina, this are a graphic this is we're podcast, we, we
are podcasting standards compliant.
So you've got you got hosting companies out there like,
like a cast that
constantly reconfirm recommit themselves publicly with
language saying that they are RSS friendly and committed.
Yeah, committed to the open podcast ecosystem, these kinds
of things. Well, this would give them a way to prove it to say,
Okay, well, we're committed to the open podcasting ecosystem.
And the way that we're showing that we're actually doing that
is by
is by adhering to the podcasting standards. Now, something about
this that I want to mention, because it's about you, you have
done something incredibly important for podcasting.
So just a little quick Genesis, this project started, there were
two, two concepts. One was take back the index, create the API,
so developers can easily spin something up and not deal with
the with some other party messing around with either the
entries or with the API itself. See apple, and the value for
value streaming concept, those were the two initial things,
what came out of that, because of course, the namespace was
created for the value block, we integrated right away with
transcripts, which was already existing, and some other things.
But what you did with the path that you let everyone down,
what, for 10 years, and this is not a slam, it's just a fact.
For 10 years, there were discussions and slack groups
and, and organizations and boards and and more groups and,
and all kinds of I hate we need more features for podcasting.
And it never happened. No one wrote, as far as I know, a lick
of code, no implementation, just lots and lots of hot air, and
you stewarded the namespace, and it's, it's inherent to you,
because you have a way I know that you have experience. But
also we followed, like the rules for standards makers, and you
did your homework on how we would do this. And so what we
now can present? Is that work? It is, so no longer do we need
to necessarily have big conversations about because we
have almost all the features people wanted. And there will be
more there in an organized manner. There's a place where it
makes sense. It's technically technically correct, we have
great documentation. And we in fact, have people who can make
up a working group, which can be as anyone as far as I'm
concerned.
And and can Shepherd this into the marketplace, because we have
proven it with implementation. And that's you Dave Jones, you
did that. And I know, a lot of people worked on it. But you
shepherded that. So there's your little star on your forehead?
On the forehead. Wow.
And I thank you, because you did an incredible service to the
podcast.
I hate the term industry to podcasting. But so, let me let
me let me describe, let me describe what what it looks like
currently. Thank you, by the way, let me describe you
embarrass me with compliments. But let me describe what I'm
what it currently looks like.
And on sort of the, quote, unquote, working group side of
things, because I think we already have what we need. Yep.
What we have is
we have to maintainers of the podcast namespace repository,
which is where all the documentation and discussion
happens. We have myself and James Cridland.
That was, that was intentional. Because
to put James as a maintainer, he can merge things he can he can
do anything that needs to happen, because it keeps it from
being just a just a podcasting 2.0 thing. Or when I say
podcasts when I'm at podcast index, I mean, yeah, it keeps it
from being just podcast index.
Also, James and I disagree frequently enough to where I
know that I can depend on him to push back, which is important.
You need push back.
He also comes from a different side of things like he's very
deep into the advertising part of things. But he's also he also
looks at he's also a technology and technology, you know,
futurist if you want to call it so I feel like he's a good
steward of that along with me. Now, I don't think there will
ever add another person because
It is really important. And this is this is the critical thing to
get back to what you were saying about stewarding things. The
most important thing that we've done within podcasting to point
out to make sure that these things actually happen, instead
of just being talked about
is just doing it.
Don't talk about it endlessly just do the thing. And the more
people you add, it becomes, it becomes standard by committee,
and it just bogs down and nothing ever gets done. So at
the end of the day, somebody has to make a decision. And that
decision comes in ultimately, if necessary, 90% of times is not
necessary, right. But if necessary, that decision comes
down to me and James.
And I think that is how that is all we need. We have a million
voices giving ideas and proposals. Lots and lots of
smart people at tons of awesome ideas. And you can see it in the
Verify tag, the podcast verify tag has been bet, talked about.
Alberto martinez.com, submitted. Right, right, I saw that, after
it was talked about add Podcast Movement amongst a group of
people with Sam and James and everybody. They came together
with this sort of core idea of what what it could look like,
submitted the proposal.
There's been some back and forth, the conversation has
slowed down. Now that means we that's a signal when it slows
down that there's a sort of law where decisions can begin to be
made. And now, now, it's sort of okay, what do What does? What do
I think? What does James think? And we'll kick it back to the
community if necessary. And so, this, this process works very
well. And I think that that can be, that whole thing can be the
standard, the podcast enters working group, quote, unquote.
And I would like to recommend that which you already, I guess,
set up is that discussion about the podcast standard should
happen in the discus portion of the GitHub.
Yeah, and I need some help with that, because I've never used
that. But a lot of people have recommended it enough and
consistently enough to where it seems like it's probably a good
idea, here's what I recommend, we not do.
I do not recommend we set up
another discussion group or Mastodon, or, or email list or
whatever. Now, this is way down the road. We don't need that
anymore for the standards. This is a great adding, refining,
tweaking, you know, this is with real technical details and code.
I don't think we need the broad discussion about well, you know,
and at all times, I would just like to recommend that, that
people police each other from not saying will you know, up a
little never do it?
Because that's just a recipe for failure?
By thinking that way, because we what we're seeing is, other apps
that matter are doing it. And we even saw Marco say that he when
he's ready, I'm sure it'll take a bit because he just had that
huge
refresh,
or UI redo. Maybe he plans on integrating chapters, you know,
so watch stuff go When, when, when Marco does that, and and we
see that we've still got podcasts, attic, and N Pocket
Casts, and there's lots of apps that make a difference that
that'll that'll be coming on board with the standard. It's
inevitable at this point. But really, we need to step away
from this old trauma of Spotify and Apple won't do it, then it
doesn't matter. And and that always fits into why I say that
the size of the audience. I know people scoff at me when I say
it, but the size of your audience just isn't as
important. You know, it's the community you build around it.
So Oh, no, this kind of spin something I've been thinking
about, and is that the podcast apps of how critical the apps
are? And I mean, we've, of course, we've said this from the
beginning, but I was listening to the feed that the show Lipson
sort of commentary on themselves in podcasting. And they were Rob
Walsh in there said he was looking back I think he was
pissed off because
the lady that accepted the some award for cereal, had said that
before cereal, podcasting, you know, was basically nothing and
he's like, the mighty
I always fall.
He got super, super mad about that. And then and what he is.
And he painted a picture that I really had never,
I'd never thought about. But he's, I think he's I think he's
right, is that it wasn't cereal that reinvigorated podcasting,
or launched it to sort of the next level. It was the fact that
iOS eight,
put the apple podcast app on the homescreen by default. Ooh,
interesting. Yes. And so I Yeah. When when that happened,
everybody said, and he I'm using his words here, I think, is, Oh,
what's this interesting purple icon on the screen. And you tap
it and his podcast and there's a search, there's a directory
search right there. And then two months later, serial hit in
became sort of a viral thing. And everybody already had the
app, they're ready to go. I agree All Headings it had
existed before that it wouldn't. You had to tee it up in order
for cereal, to even be on the near end. This is exactly the
way podcasting is grown in these spurts. And there's one other
element why cereal just blew everything out of the water is
that this point everybody had had been trained to binge watch.
Netflix, and yeah, Hulu, and we were binge watching. What's the
Breaking Bad, you know, everyone binge watch Breaking Bad House
of Cards. And there was this incredible, like, people just
staying up all weekend doing coke, watching Netflix, and
pizza. And there were memes about it. And then all of a
sudden there was this really compelling show that made you
wait a whole week before you could get the next one. And of
course, the the true crime format is, I would say by far
the most popular format in podcasting, too. Oh, yeah. Yeah,
without a doubt, and it brought in women. Yeah. And it brought
in women.
Yeah. Now contrast that with the numbers that we received that
40% of women listen to a podcast on a website, in a player on the
website.
That that is that that is totally valid, validate total
validation of the thing that you you have said that for months
and months that, that women have a propensity to listen to
podcasts on websites instead of in apps. You call that way long
ago. And it's 100. It's, it's so odd. It's just not anything I
would ever think to do. Which to me, which which to me means, you
know, should I just be me, maybe maybe I should. Okay, so when I,
when I say oh, here's, here's how I think the flow goes, I
post a tweet to the show notes page. It's up and there's a
player in there. And so there's obviously a large portion of my
audience in certain shows, that is going to listen to that on
the web page, which is the shitty ass sorry, that
fantastically beautiful, I love the freedom controller. But of
course, I don't have the CSS or anything, I just have a shitty
s. Outline page. But that's how I That's my choice. That's how I
publish stuff. That doesn't matter to me. And it's just
like, I've simply I can see it clicked. So they are listening
on that page. Maybe I need a version of pod verse, pod friend
curio casts or maybe even cast pod
casts coverage. That
is a page, a beautiful page that immediately starts playing that
episode, but teases that it's an app teases, you know, so you
shouldn't have a full listing and too much shit all in one go.
It should be one page and to be like, Oh, what's this? Oh, I can
find more podcasts here. Oh, I can subscribe to this. And you
have you link out to curio caster for maybe let's just use
them as an example. Actually, I want to use I want to use pod
verse as an example. Puffer, okay, you link to pod verse as
an example. During the last stream, they're streaming live,
and then they're in the thing in your page, it says,
install the app. Now, I'm thinking when I tweet out the
people listening live is a whole different discussion. That's and
I have a lot of experience with that. And that's, that's a very
small group, but very, very useful for specific cases. I'm
talking about my new episode is up. There's a there's a large
part of the portion of the audience which does not see a
notification on an app because they're not using one typically
maybe I don't know, two they see a tweet or they see a two or
something and oh, okay, let me go take a look. And
and they go to that page and they can start
Listening. And it's not just the Adam's ugly page. It's the pod
verse, web player and the pod verse web and a simplified
version for that episode.
And then through the UI, or UX, or whatever, it's teasing, like,
hey, you know, click here to get the app always get notified, and
will automatically subscribe, you I'm just making shit up, or
explore what else you can do. This is an incredible
opportunity.
It is also the same audience that listens to serial.
Large overlap, I would say, there's something we can do,
where you can either keep people in the web app and show them the
joy of the web app. And then maybe if they want the, if they
want, and I don't even know if they're listening to
web players, you know, just a regular web player on the phone
or on the desktop, I'm not quite sure. But there's just an
opportunity to grab them and show them the joys of of a pot
of a full podcast app experience. But it needs to be
something that I can use to promote instead of just a link
to a to a show notes page. It should just be something that
spits out for me from whatever app and I can just Oh, boom,
it's a widget, you know, just let me use this, or I just click
a button. How about that? And just click a button and it does
it all for me with my Twitter account and my Mastodon account?
Yeah, great opportunity. Yeah, I like it. I like it a lot. That's
I mean, I think that's probably best to probably be some sort
of, that's another that's another way we could go put into
the standard other thing, we put it in the standards, like,
here's, you know, here's a There you go, like, suggestions on on
workflows and things like that, not from this or that podcaster
standpoint. But just like, here, if you're trying to accomplish
this thing,
to satisfy this particular audience expectation, then here
would be a way to utilize these these technologies and this
these tags in order to satisfy this objective. There you go.
Yeah. Yeah, this I could. I could let it let me do you want?
I wanted to ask, I think I want to talk about
the a couple of these new tags.
If you want to do some TechEd out.
I love tech talk. Wait, is it maybe it's time for one of
these, it's not just tech talk, we need to we need a new a new
jingle.
So now it's time for some hot namespace talk needs to be
podcast standards chat.
That just didn't do it?
Well, before, let's Okay, so we'll do all the tags. But then
I want to look, actually, first I want to talk a little bit
about the aggregator Oh, yummy.
So it's about as I got six of the aggregators converted over,
there's nine total to the new code for the new for them the
new polling mechanism.
And it's pretty interesting. So the, every one of these have
changed over
the wants a start started, I got the first two done.
I looked at the charts on the CPU usage on the aggregator
nodes.
And they dropped, the CPU drop usage dropped at
dropped from 80 to 100%. down to like, 20. Yeah. And that is
consistent. I mean, that has been like that's, that's solid
stable.
Which till. So then I stopped what I was doing. Okay. Well,
this is this is interesting. We're paying me rundown here
real quick. So we've got, we've got one, we've got nine
aggregators.
Every one of them
is a four gig
Linode instance. And they had that's a two CPU. And as two
CPUs have four gigs for each one of them.
One of them, which is a bigger one that handles a lot of the
frequency of a frequency one. That is a $30 a month Linode
into dedicated CPU with four gigs. So
we, if you add that all up, you're talking about
$175 a month for all the aggregator nodes. Now,
with the reduced CPU usage.
I was like, why are we paying? Why would we pay $20 a month for
on average for one of these aggregators, when it's only
using 20% of the CPU, right? Okay. I went back and started to
reroll them out
to actually load the CPU at higher. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So,
five $5. So using the lowest one to $5 a month, one gig VMs.
Nice. And that put the CPU usage. Right around. Right
around, I'm guessing 40 To 6040 to 60%. And it's solid, same
speed, same speed. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, the efficiency of
this of the new code is so much, I think what we can do is drop
all of these down to five, to the, excuse me to the $10 a
month. So it gives us a little bit of headroom, nice, all to
$10 a month. That means 90 bucks a month, that saves us 85 bucks
a month.
And then we can use that to boost the database database
server right to the next level, which is an additional $80. So
we got balanced out. Perfectly balanced out. I love it when
that happens. Yeah, so we can go to the bigger database and have
all of our aggregators and everything will be kosher. This
is what your donations to podcasting. 2.0 go towards, by
the way,
value for value. So if you if you like what you're hearing
you'd like the frugality of my brother from the south here,
then continue to support that because we'll need more upgrades
in our future for sure. Yeah, and I want to say thank you to
Eleanor and to Hamish, on the subs on the Macedon who've been
helping give me some ideas on how to on because what, because
one thing about this new code is that it's not okay in practice.
Now, if you just run the polar by itself, it screams I mean,
you come on the 2000 feeds a minute, easy, nice. But you
can't feed that to the database that fast. I mean, it's kind of
insane. So what the net result of it is,
after you take into account, the parsing, and everything is it
turns out to be
not a whole lot faster than the previous one. But you have
the better, better code, the more dependable code, you have
better efficiency with CPUs, but then you put the it ends up
being a more steady stream of data. So you may not, it may not
be necessarily faster, but it's a more consistent volume of data
being driven to the database that has the result of stressing
the database out a little bit more. So it's like, you know,
it's like the difference between like a,
like a 22 Magnum versus a 45 caliber.
You got high FPS, I know high FPS bullet but very tiny, versus
a lower FPS bullet, but it's much bigger. Like, the 45 is
like getting hit in the chest with basketball, right, you
know, at 100. Right, right. Right. Right. So that's, that's
sort of the idea here is that we're, we're not it's not really
a speed increase, it's more just a volume load increase on the
database. So we're gonna have to bump the database up. And how
about polling algorithms?
Yes, no. So that that is a discussion. Once I've finished
rolling everything out, that is something that I want to do is,
is changed the overall algorithm. So currently, what it
is, is these nine aggregators.
As as we do feed, feed parsing, the party time parser looks at
the average publishing time between episodes, or the average
gap between Episodes and it says, In in the head, there's a
chart, there's a table that says if it goes if you have one or
more episodes within a three day period, you get up you get
assigned update frequency one,
one or more episodes, within a you know, seven day period
frequency to I'm making the I don't remember the numbers, but
it splits it out and basically one through nine a frequency
update values get assigned to each feed. So then the
aggregators
and they each take on a certain frequency polar polling
responsibility. So aggregator one handles, polls all the feeds
with an update frequency of one two does to blah, blah, blah.
That that works. Okay. Except that you miss is it's not as
efficient as it could be.
So one of the things that we're we talked about on Mastodon I
think we're going to man I will definitely do this. I'm going to
do this
is
changing debt lately.
have that in place, but then also add this other metrics. And
so what we would do is have a table where it shows
where has the feed ID,
the last published time of an episode, and then this, this
chart there. So this this series of columns, where it assigns a,
a time window
to each one of those columns. So it's called as, like a
represents seven, like a seven day period.
And then you assign a time windows so that you can for
every feed, what you can do is you can do a quick database
search and say, Okay, what I want is a list of feed IDs, that
update between
8am and 10am UTC
every, every, every week, on Thursday.
And you, you can just look it up as a lookup table, it'll give
you that set of feeds. And during this period, you have one
aggregator that's assigned to just rapidly pull those feeds.
So it's just how it's, you know, every three minutes, it's just
hidden every feed that falls into that category. As soon as
that time window passes, you pull the next group and just
start hammering that group. So we're only killing one polar
bear a day then.
It's really like a cold polar bear cut like a cup. Yeah, like
beating a baby seal over the head. Yeah, yes. Yeah. You're
just losing one or two cubs a week?
That's not you know, you're good. That's good. Of course,
the answer to this is pod ping, which, I guess that should also
somehow be mentioned in the podcast standard. Oh,
absolutely. Yeah, that's good. It's got to have its place in
there. Now, Alex fixed, fixed a bug that we're having with a
watcher. And so
that really helped it was a
bug with because it came from the live upgrades. Yeah, that
that he I think that thing is 100% stable. Now, it's good.
It's good to go. I mean, you know, nobody can predict votes.
But as we, as we start to figure out this, rebranding of the
namespace and, and, and where things start to fit, I did want
to mention Daniel J. Lewis, who was very kind to start creating
a new website for podcasts. index.org, a lot of what you
did, Daniel actually influenced this. So yeah, clearly, it's
going to have to be different because we're, we're seeing the
strategy kind of unfold.
So on one hand, I want to say you know, that you were very
responsible for getting our heads in this space. Also, I'd
like to congratulate Daniel J. Lewis, for being accepted to the
board of the podcast Academy. Yes, absolutely. It's good to
have one of our own there.
Yeah, he's one of the 40% of independent pugs that kisses me
off to, you have no idea when I hear well, 40% of the of the
board is, is indie. podcasters. That's a good thing. I'm like,
No, that's not a good thing. That's lame. That's not equity,
either. By the way, that's very unwise joke. That's 50% less
than it should be. Yeah. Well, there you go.
And anyway, fine. I'm happy Daniel was there on the front
lines, and he'll be able to represent and I think the
podcast standards will be very important in propagating that,
throughout that, you know, that sector of podcasting, which is
really, you know, the high in my mind, I feel it's a lot more
high end content,
you know, investor money type stuff. That's what the podcast.
I mean, look, I just looked at evolutions, and I saw all the
money that went in there, and you can see where it came from.
You know, and it didn't come from indies because indies have
no money. Right? Yeah. 2.0 did not donate a half a million
dollars to it. So Daniel J, we're very proud of you. You are
the token, but we're very proud of you. And you're the token
you're the you're the token indie. Attendee, the attendee
Yeah.
See, what
do you want to talk about? Lit about the list mediums.
The list mediums, does this does this pique your interest at all?
Sounds like yeah, like, like another variant of COVID.
This so that's what I was saying earlier. There's just so many
specs and proposals and drafts of things that it's like, just
covered up with with different with all these things to read
well, before you get into LIS mediums, then let me just say
that there will be more to read, as I am going to focus on
value for value a proper I'll just call it the manifesto, but
something that can be turned into something that people can
read on
Understand, not have to read the whole thing to a little bit like
value for value.io, which is very down and dirty. But this
would be something that one of the number one requests I get
interestingly is I need a script.
Very, very interesting request, I need to risk to understand how
to complete the loop on booster grams and value for value. So
these kinds of things, the history, the concept, and but
also how to get started really fast, etcetera, etcetera. So,
I'm going to be writing that I'm going to be focusing on that
because we have the traction that brings people in
if if somebody needs a, a real world example, other than this
show, I mean, obviously, this show is a Yeah, absolute exam.
You're so busy. You're soaking. Yes. If somebody needs. There's
just a couple of examples off top my head of people that do
this also very well. Linux unplugged. Yes. Fisher. Yeah.
And the intergalactic boombox, Callay bear. And these two shows
are do a very good job of doing of having a script. So we want
to have these examples. You know, I heard the message very
well from from Ed Ryan. And from James as well, you know, press
releases all this stuff. Fine. We'll do that. We'll do that.
We'll start feeding you stuff. And we'll also actually
integrate the value for value branding into the way our
website because it's kind of a bastard right now it's not, you
know, V for V is a list of podcasts right now. It's not
really clear. Anywhere. What? Yeah, that's almost fell down.
I'm standing up right now. Are you trying to put your pants on
he almost fell now.
I was reaching for my water.
Z.
That's, that's one thing to discuss is that we're going to
try if at all humanly possible to have some of this stuff. Kind
of branded and ready for Podcast Movement data? Yes. We're all
gonna go and we're all gonna go to Dallas. Yeah, so we'll
hopefully we'll have some stand, you know, podcast standards,
stickers or whatever we're going to do. We'll have we'll have
some some media presence there. So podcast standards booth
babes. Yeah.
Boothbay? Yeah,
I think it does Benjamin Richardson does he qualifies
booth, babe. I mean, he's totally we also know you need to
do it. Right. You know, ride the podcast standards mechanical
bull. And this is what you do.
There were at least five of those that Bitcoin 2022 Oh,
yeah. Ride the bull.
By the way, if you call invite your value for value, if you
call it a manifesto, you it's required that you sign it with
your middle name, Adam. Adam Clark curry. Yes. Yeah.
Done, Consider it done.
We'll talk about lists mediums. I'd love to.
So this is a proposal by by Alex and, and I think is genius. I
think we should try to pipeline it into Phase Five, if at all
possible.
Stephen B, also concurs today because he was looking for this.
For curio caster for something similar, is only just get the
idea. You know, you're familiar with mediums. And so the mediums
are things like where you can tag a
an RSS feed.
With what type of content this is. So audio book, podcast,
music, film, this sort of thing.
Right, yeah. Yeah. So you can that's, that's already there.
That was in Phase four, I believe.
The idea of a list of a list medium is,
is that you need this thing that there's a thing missing in
podcasting, which is the ability to do playlists.
Now playlists, you can do lists of feeds, like with OPML, or
anything, or something like that. But there's no notion of a
of a playlist of individual items like episodes.
And you can imagine that this would be very helpful. Because
if you especially if you have a proliferation of things like
like music podcasts, so you could you could assemble a
playlist of episodes of a music podcast, because each one of
them is a track.
And so he's he's put together this proposal and it depends on
on another on and on finalized tag. Another proposal called
Remote item.
Who's that? Yeah, the idea here is that you can reference in a
feed
a different item, an item from a different feed. Nice, yes, and
inclusion. Exactly. Yeah, it's perfect. Perfect analogy isn't
included. It's like an OPML inclusion you can say
except it's not URL based.
It's based on the GUID of the bottom of the remote feed. Now
new to the feed Natalie, podcast guid tag, reference, the good
and the good of the episode, right, right. And now you have a
unique identifier down to the episode of a feed. You can say,
Okay, here's the, here's a remote item that I want to pull
in. And this could be interpreted on its own as
something like a suggestion or something like that, that you
can go read that spec. Now at, at pod show slash movie, we, we
did a lot of this. And we created a lot of these lists
making capabilities and the ability to share and I, we were
not doing them in any manner, like in a namespace, but
just the basic output functionality. And you could
share your list. And so I could say, oh, let me see what, what
what episodes Dave has on deck today.
So Mike,
that got zero traction, no one used it didn't work, too. I'm
curious, how does this surface and what is the user
functionality and or the UX may be for this? I don't know about
that. I think there's a demand for list making capabilities.
from the user perspective. I mean, I certainly love having my
episode list in in curio caster or in pod verse does a good job
of it. So I just say, Oh, here's the new episode by a pod friend,
of course.
But for the podcaster to make a list, what is it for who was the
consumer? How does it surface?
I think this is purely or not purely, but I think a lot of
this is user centric, not not related to the podcast, or
podcaster could could create one and then drop it in there as
Okay, okay, I just list Okay, got it. Got it. Yeah. So like a
curio caster listener could add episodes that they really love
to a, to an ongoing sort of playlist, the way that Spotify
works for music, and then share that list, share that list out
with other people who could then follow them and get updates,
sort of like a synthetic feed
type of thing where you could subscribe to somebody else's
Lists List. And we're at how do I publish this list?
Well, I mean, that would be out, you know, app to app, they would
have to be or you if certain a certain apps that had probably
like sovereign feeds, they have a curio caster has the ability
to it's got a feed publishing mechanism, there's some in it,
he could do it directly. But then if you had another app that
didn't have that, or didn't want that, they could just provide
you, you know, the feed, and then you could do you know,
share it out some other way? I don't know. But it'd be it'd be
interesting to see a ecosystem build up around this where they
were just,
here's one of the exciting things to me about, about a
thing like this is that
everybody cries about discoverability? Constantly.
Yeah, sorry. No, not everybody. Everybody, but Adam, is about
discoverability. Constantly. And
but everybody, but when people think about solving
discoverability, they only think about, hey, let's, let's VC a
company and put a bunch of AI in there, crap like that. But
that's not that mean discoverability is, is what you
said in the past word of mouth. But if you have a playlist,
sharing capability, this this this this open, and a standard
OS spec, well, then you can replace the the word of mouth
part of it, you can translate that into digital form is that
this is this is digital word of mouth. I'm literally showing you
what I listened to. Or you can have a playlist of favorites
where every time you star something in the app, like, Oh,
that was a good, you know, good episode, which a lot of people
use in apps like overcast as starring, it could get that lit
that those starred items can become a playlist. And now you
have now you're sharing the discoverability in with the
world. Like, I think it's a great idea. It's a great idea.
I'm excited to see it. I'm even more excited to see people use
it. i Yeah, I'm skeptical over this as a discovery mechanism. I
think clips is a great discovery mechanism. I don't know what the
uptake on that is either. I just don't hear any great success
stories. And I am completely biased because I don't believe
that's how people discover podcasts. But I can see other
use cases that I would probably put together
I don't know. I don't know. We need the difference here between
clips and
And something like this is that clips inherently require a lot
of effort. You gotta go in there and you and it's gonna take you
on a good device that's easy to use, it's gonna take you four or
five minutes to create a clip with something like a playlist,
the app, and this is just, I can just envision a scenario like
this where an app says, Do you want to share your favorites in
a public playlist? And you can say, if you said yes, from then
on, whenever you hit star, that thing, just, it is just
instantaneous. Like it requires zero effort.
That's a way that I think that that you could get something
like this to work. Where as a clip is just, it requires so
much effort and fiddling, moving the little slider back and
forth, and you mess it up and you get, you know, you
accidentally go. It's sort of tedious, but a bit of a playlist
is it could be designed where it's very minimal effort, or
none. Yeah, yeah. Possible. Yeah. I mean, I don't have time
for playlists in my life. So again, I'm biased.
I don't have time to listen to all these podcasts.
I'd admit that I'm struggling to, I've got like, I've got so
many one was, I can't list you know, one of the things that we
did create back in the day, which never took off, either.
And this is good, because going back to Dave Winer days was
share your OPML.
I remember that. Yeah. And I really liked that idea. Because
then everyone has the opportunity to publish their
subscription list. Now, you could do this with a list of
favorites. So it's very valid with with this list, list tag.
But then eventually, what you want is you want that to be
aggregated somewhere. Now you have some data about people
subscribing, you know, how many lists on things on there,
there's, there's all kinds of great things that can be done
with with something like this. But I think ultimately, I just
need to see the use cases, I think we should put it all in
there make it all possible, because there's someone coming
up with a use case that I can't figure out and it's going to be
great, I'm sure. Yeah. And I've used this example before, I
think I think maybe
says we found that we found a use case for the source tag and
the freedom controller. And we went back like we needed, we
needed some functionality in there to do we had the freedom
controller to threaded comments.
Oh, right. Oh, my God, I remember that. Yeah. Perfect
example. Great technology. We don't use it. Yeah. And it you
and it used the source tag to do it. And we went back and found
that tag and said, Okay, we can adapt this. So if we have this
in there, some person in the future can come up with some
rockin use case for that and be like, Yeah, this is great. So
I'm all for it. Obviously, I'm all for it.
Yeah, by the way, on a happy note that we finally got our
$5,000 back.
You know, someone had opened a 10 million Satoshi channel to
us. And then oh, yeah, and then ran it all to our side. And then
just left, when offline, just left. It's great. But so that
meant I had to force close the channel, which meant we had to
wait 780 blocks before we could get our money back. Geez, how
much? How much cash was that? $5,000. Good grief. Yeah, it was
it was suck. We couldn't open a channels we had very, very low.
We had only maybe a million sets left to open some channels with.
And this is the this is the answer to when people are like,
you know, the complaint about the fees on the for routing fees
like Well, yeah, because crap like this happens. Yeah, I mean,
we literally, you know, our money was locked up for for I
don't know, how many days was that? It's almost two weeks. I
think it took forever.
It's like roughly 10 minutes of blocks. I said it's probably
less than that. Yeah, so lettered minutes, you know, 700,
right. 750 blocks times 10. So seven and a half. 1000 minutes.
Yes. 7500 minutes. So it's how many hours divided by 60? Yeah.
Oh, my god. I can't do this.
I could, but I don't have a calculator.
I got one. Let's see. Okay. 770 7500 minutes divided by 660
minutes in an hour. 125 hours, divided by 74. There's only four
and a half, five days felt longer.
But a week. Yeah.
And that's, that's the HDLC mechanism that you have. You
have to wait up here.
So if you wonder why we'd like to make some money off of
routing, there's your answer.
You want to thank some people and then we'll, yes. Anything
else? Yeah, I think we can do that.
Value for value. I'm writing the manifesto was Adam Clarke curry.
But it's very simple. If you value what you're hearing, if
you value what is being done, turn that into numbers, and send
that to us, whatever is valuable to you. And this is the way it
should work because of the vapid nature of media. It can mean a
lot to somebody or nothing, so we don't force it on you. And we
don't have creepy corporate money or advertising. We just
asked you to support it, so that we can continue and so far so
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being able to switch that anywhere I see I see a number.
So you have to go to settings to change it and it changes
universally. I like just being like looking at SATs and just
tapping something and go okay, that's this many dollars tap
back. That's just a personal preference, but I love that
you've done it Steven. And that's it. That's what I have on
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the chat right now. Blueberry. Okay, behind the schemes. Is
that Yes, I believe so. Yes. Behind the schemes? I believe
so. Yeah. And hug story. Okay, so this is excited to see more
apps adopt this feature. It's a hard decision between which is
more fun chapters or the lifetags we make custom heart
for each chapter for your viewing pleasure. Every Monday
night following hug story we will be live with behind the
scheme's and curio caster. Hey, baby. I was listening to a PC
2.0 app because you're lit. Oh, I just had an idea. I just had
an idea.
And I heard the chapters, too. First of all, I want to thank
Dred Scott for doing an amazing job if you want to. If you want
to see some crazy ass chapters go look at no agenda, Episode
1440 It was a four hour end of show mix extravaganza. And I
sent him the list of 154 tracks that were used.
Danny, Danny turned it into 154 chapters with images. How cool
is that? It's, you'd look at that it's you get blown away.
Here's the thought I just had. Wouldn't it be interesting if
you have, like a live show, but it could also be the I think the
live show where the booster grams that come in are
immediately converted into a chapter marker with the message.
Oh, with that person's icon as the image or whatever or chosen
image representation. That's a great idea. How badass would
that be? Okay, so this relates to the Jaypee T. proposal. We
can talk about that after the initial segment. They did that
this may be a good fit. All right. All right. We'll finish
and then I'll like it was a called JpT JpT. Geo JSON, JSON
payment token. Now brothers, Daniel J. Lewis JSON thing. No,
no, no, no. I'm just kidding. No. J Daniel has. He's not he's
got too much responsibility with podcast Board of Governors. He's
not not only that. He's got a kid. He's got the board got the
academy. Governor, Director, board ship whatever the hell it
is.
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it's it's fun to see how that works when people can also do
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The only ones like when's the show you're doing the show as
the show live because I got a boost right now. I want to make
sure I get Did you receive the boost? He gets a boost. Can you
confirm to get the boost?
I like I like F Russia and also listen to my podcast.
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contributors. That's our booths. And yes, thank you everybody.
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Lauren, I don't know what that numerology means if you can tell
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I don't know. I don't know either. Cameron Rose $25 Jeremy
new $5 and David Mitas $10 A David, I forgot to follow up
with you. I was helping I was helping David with a move his
stuff from voltage to an Umbral, and I think it rolled off my
Mastodon and I forgot to go back. So ping me and I'll help
you if you still need up.
Oh, now that's, that's actually kind of important. Okay, because
it's very hard when you move to a different value block
or node in your in your value block. There's so much caching
going on? Yeah, it's
because I knew when when my node broke, I still wanted to be able
to get the 1% from no agenda to see what was coming in during
the
during the big four hour extravaganza, so I switched it
over to my backup node. I have a second Umbral here. And I would
say probably, I don't know, maybe 40% went there and the
rest failed because the other node was down. It was your split
your split brain at that point, you get to things happen. And
yeah, but it's, I don't know, just replay. It's one thing to
be able to replace. And I think we talked about this, you know,
what if I just want to migrate
all of the curry in the keeper to a different node ID. So that
would have to be changed in the database for every single
episode because I do it by episode not by channel. Yeah.
And then and then apps just seem to be caching it.
Yeah.
Yeah, the cat I don't know. As most of the caches seem like
they're fairly sane. I mean, like five minutes or so. But
then there's a couple that are always a little confused me a
little bit. Yeah.
I don't know. Just throwing it out there.
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Pharaoh $20.22. Thank you, Chad. I
don't know what that numerology is either 2120 22 or 2022 is the
year we're in the year. Hello. Hello.
Yeah, I need to take my pants back off. Oops. Loretta
Vandenberg. $10. Scott Jalbert. $12. In that's our group. Thank
you all so much. That is done these. There's some new names in
here that I don't think I've heard some new boost. Yeah, his
name, man. Thank you, thank you all so much for supporting the
project for supporting the show for supporting the work. It goes
toward goes directly towards everything we're doing.
The nodes, the liquidity, the servers, the polars is
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And vortex, the polar vortex. And please continue to support
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breaking even so we feel pretty good about it. And we can always
just shut down shit. Go from from nine to seven polars. Okay,
so it's a little slower. It should be okay. It's dynamic.
That way we can scale it dynamically.
jpg got it? I got an ISO. Oh, you want to drop that one? Yeah,
a premium experience on quant.
It's a premium experience. That's what it was. Yes, we are
a premium experience. We are. Unquote. Okay. The Yeah. JpT. So
this is a proposal upon the namespace. And if you are so
inclined and feel a technical bent toward it, I would suggest
that some that you go read it.
The The idea here
is that at some point in the future we're going to need and
this is not just applicable to lightning, by the way this is
this is applicable to a lot. Lots of things. This is meant to
be sort of a generic payment
receipt. So we can mentioned earlier that if you were going
to do certain things that really required you imagine something
like an open subscription, which is which is what we've been
working on. We talked about at the dev meeting the other day, a
way to do an open subscription mechanism.
Open Standards, such a way of saying okay, yes, I am a paying
subscriber to this podcast if you wanted to pay while your
podcast
Well, if you're going to claim that you are a that you are a
subscriber, you could, you would need some sort of payment
verification or a cryptographic receipt to show that you hear
this is there's my here's my receipt, I'm showing you that
I'm not a valid purchaser, right. It's the it's the missing
piece of the of keys and booster grams is, you know, it just
shows up, you don't really know who it's from, except for an
alias that used to this would be the kind of the doing the
invoice in reverse. Is that Is that fair?
Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Be aware. That's a good yeah, the
invoice in reverse. So you did the invoice, the invoice Creator
knows they got paid, but the payer cam can prove show, right?
I can't prove it. They can't prove it was them, right. And so
this is a this is a way to do that. And then you could say,
Okay, I've got I now have this cryptographic receipt. And I can
use that for fill in the blank, like what in your example would
be, I'm going to, I'm going to prove that I just paid you and
therefore now I get this badge or something. And I mean,
this is where my mind goes, immediately love this.
leaderboards. Who was of course, just forget,
for a moment, everyone has to have buy in it's you're allowed
to publish it. But I would love to know who the biggest
supporters are of an episode or podcast, and I'm listening to.
And quite honestly, I'd also then like to know what else that
person has supported. You want to talk about a rating system.
This is ratings. This is ratings with money. This is very smart.
Yeah, and you can you can imagine opting it you know,
like, as a listener, you're opting in as a here's, here's
all my, I'm just going to kind of shuffle all my receipts to
you so that you can see this, this leaderboard, and I can
prove, it's almost like, almost like Stack Overflow. You know,
where you like, up vote people that do certain things. You're
like, proving that you're the one that did all these things.
And and that can be for levels like no agenda, we have, you
know, nights and we have a whole period system. Also, it can be
used to send something back, if you have some kind of premium
prize or some other thing going on in the show, you can then
send it back send something to the person. Yes, reached out to
to Jake Shapiro,
and send him an email over at Apple. He used to be a podcast
Republic. Now he's at Apple.
And just inquiring about an old spec that they had written while
he was there at podcast Republic about called pod paths. And
we've talked about it before. It's the open
Namsa social credit, just saw that. No, no, it doesn't. It
could be used for that, though. Yeah. That that's a different
discussion that we need to have. But that'd be but that's okay.
Because it's completely open. You know, the social credit
score is only creepy if it's controlled by one entity or the
government. Otherwise, it can be a community credit score.
Community Credit Score. Big difference.
Yeah, I want to talk about that next week because the blue sky
stuff they came out. I don't think I don't think we have time
to talk about it today. But no, you should listen. You should
listen to Dave whiners podcast about it this morning. No, did
he tweet? He did a 20 minute podcast, just for Jack Dorsey.
No spoilers spoiler spoiler, it's never gonna work.
Well, it may not. And you know, who knows? But so you can
imagine that
that you have this, you have this tote, you know, this
payment token. And then you can take you know, you can take that
and plug it into the the open subscription model
in
reached out to Jake to see if he's even if him or Apple or
anybody can just are interested in working on on an open spec on
this. And then you can take this, this this token and verify
that, um, I am I did purchase a subscription to this podcast.
And in the app, that app can I can hand that off to the
to the to the podcast host. And then you don't have to have a
separate fee like a private member's only fee and also if
you can have the standard feed and inside that feed it has. It
has specific subscription only episodes perhaps like bonus
episodes, all this stuff that people like to do. And then
You can, and those become unlocked as you pass the token
back. And what what exactly did you want to get from Jake?
Just just a signal as to whether he's willing to pick this back
back up that they wrote before he went to Apple and continue
helping with it outputs? I think we, yeah.
Nearly responsive. Not yet. Okay. Me, me No, but but I do.
See here's here's the thing, I think I think that if.
So, Spotify is is open access platform thing, which is
supposed to be an open spec. I mean, I understand, but really,
it's all about. Sure, it's an open standard. But it's an open
standard that's only focused on getting your purchase to content
into Spotify.
So, and it's this OAuth handshake stuff going on all in
it. If there wasn't an open spec, it was truly neutral.
And I've heard that the open access platform spec does not
work all that well. Anyway, if there was a truly neutral, open
specification for pilot for subscribable content is in this
simple and dependable and cryptographically secure.
I can see Apple doing that. I mean it because they're going to
make their 30%. Cut either way. And once there's an open spec, I
mean, like, at this point, Apple just wants to sell their
subscriptions. They will sell subscriptions. They don't really
care whether it's through their app. I know. That's where I
disagree. I disagree. Apple is about the whole experience, from
front to back. They want to control the entire experience. I
it's I love the concept. I love this ideological instead of Yes,
well,
that's just what they do. I mean, they want to control the
whole experience. It's like Twitter, Twitter wants to
control the whole experience. You can do stuff with their API,
but you can't control the experience they do. So if they
if they had,
I don't know why I'm focusing on that. But I guess just because
he wrote the spec, and I'm, I want to get his feedback on it.
But so if they had a way to extend their subscribable
content to let's just say, overcast,
you don't think they do it? No.
They won't. Look, I have 100,000 Running annual bet in Satoshis,
that they that they'll never create a
an android version either. I agree with that. I mean, don't
wait, what do you think they would do first and Android
version or, or open up subscriptions? So they work on
any podcast player? They need to they need to control the
experience for the user feedback? I mean, it's just
doesn't seem like that's Apple demand. They control it all.
They always have you still can't look at iOS.
You don't control the experience and iOS.
True?
Well, by every response, we'll have our answer. I mean, I
don't, I'm not not trying to, to pop the balloon because I love
the idea. I just, I love the idea of using it for us. I don't
care if Apple does it or not? Well, I guess that's, I guess
that's what I wanted to do is really reach out and say, Okay,
well, here's this spec that exist, and I don't want to go
create a brand new thing. If we don't have to, you know, can we
just use his spec and improve it? Well, that's, uh, yeah, I
want to improve it, I think what we would do is just take, take
the sort of ideas behind it, and then just adjust it to whatever
we wanted it to be. Okay. And, and it would be, it would be
great if we could have the original authors sort of on
board. But if we can't, then we'll just do our own thing. It
would be a huge win. If you and you are the guy. If anyone from
Apple is going to reach out and say, Hey, let's look at this.
You're the guy. You're the guy to convince him. I'm the guy you
want to get the sage baby to pod sage. The pope of polars
I just wish they would do pod ping first instead of anything
else but that's not Jake's area. I'm sure not 100% night. I'll
totally agree. Yeah, that's another thing that we need to be
at.
At Podcast Movement We need to start making noise about that
about how Apple's killing the earth.
That's the way to make friends. Yeah. Hey, good. Hey, you know
what? Good strategy they they tout their greenness all the
time, how all their their rare earth minerals are recycled
aluminum. They're doing stuff all the time, but meanwhile,
they might as well just be spewing diesel smoke into the
air 24/7 on their polling initiatives. Did you know that
pod ping is built 80% from recycled ocean plastic
Yes, I did actually.
They'd only kills two polar bear cubs a month. You know, we have
this, we have this great account on the bot that podcast index
dot social. Let me just bring it up here. I want to get it right.
The bot is the pod ping bot.
I love that thing. And so it gives you that here it is. So
it's the pod ping stats bot. And it gives you the stats. So it
says, here's the custom JSON Post report for the last day,
post count 3946 2.7 posts per minute, which I've seen much
higher. I've seen a double that almost total URLs 16,015 of
which 8081 are unique. I mean, all I want here is one
additional line that says two babies the two polar bear cubs
were saved.
Or created. saved or created by pod ping. Yeah, you can totally
I mean, just say a how many or how much? How much energy to
kill a baby polar bear cub? Yeah, we just need it. We need
we need a graphic with a baby polar bear floating on on a
piece of ice on a piece of server. In the Arctic? Yes. By
the way that that whole thing is shiny dot pod ping dash
stats.com is phenomenal. Yeah, I love that thing. I mean that
that's I'm gonna actually want to put that link in the show
notes. That is such an exciting thing to look at. I don't this,
you know, it is amazing how difficult it is to get hosting
companies to send a GET request one GET request. That's all it
takes. Yeah. Now Now I did. I did reach out to
to pod bean because we were having some trouble with the new
polar. It was getting for 29. So that means that's that's a
status code. That means too many requests. So we were being sort
of throttle throttle. They were throttling us. Okay. I don't
know how long that had been going on. But it may have been
for a while.
So we reached out did Franco hooked me up with I
think it's Sergio. I think it's Sergio over at pod bean. And
they were very responsive. Quickly whitelisted our IPs for
our aggregators
and had that fixed quick. So I'm really appreciative to them and
out till I gave them you know, give them the info on piping and
everything. He's like, Yeah, we'll try it. You know, we'll
check it out. And I think he was I think he was sincere. I think
he really they were I think they actually will check it out. From
the way he was talking. It is it is so low.
It is so LIC private.transistor.fm is also
pod pinging.
Yeah, we we do not ingest those ingest those Yeah, because they
have block tags. Got it. Got it. And the blood tag, you know,
we're we're working on it. It's, um, hopefully hopefully it'll be
done for this year for Phase Five. So Buzzsprout is number
one. transistor.fm number two today closely followed by
rss.com then Captivate pod surf.
And then any show notes.com I'm on the leaderboard.
caproni.fm also does does pod ping. That's another host.
Just cast. They also do do pod ping. I mean, there's quite a
few now we're almost at 6 million pod pink served. Datsun
5,961,155
This is beautiful.
What else you got? I got to head to work here in a few minutes.
So what you got Saturday work Dave Jones. What is this? Yes.
Oh, this is no good. This will not stand is the district
government the freakin IRS? Oh, man. They don't hear about
podcasting. They do not. I think that's it. I don't have any. Let
me see anything else on my list?
Man, we did a lot and there's still so much more to talk
about. suggestion for your next vacation, just go out in the
backyard and fire up the grill. You know, you are so right. We
both were like Oh, my God, being at home is so much nicer than
than where then where are we? I was the longest week ever. It's
okay. We'll, we'll The problem is I've lost confidence in the
in the aviation travel system. You know, that's what I was
mentioned to you today. I mean, like, I'm not blaming them for
for all of this. I mean, obviously there be the the
airline industry has some has made missteps clearly but I
mean, with all the lock downs, I mean, not not everything is
their fault. But I mean,
at the end of it all, if they don't fix this
It can really seriously damage the airline industry. Because if
people don't think that they're if people have no confidence
that their flights are actually going to succeed in you add on
to that the the absorbent cost of flying today. I mean, people
just start to they'll just opt out. I mean, they they were
going to Chicago in May, at the end of May. Me and my wife and
my daughter, were going up there like end of May to see a
Shakespeare play and do some other things for the weekend.
And I looked at the, at the flight even for three people. It
was like nearly two grand for a roundtrip flight. And we're
like, we're like now we're just draft. Okay, so just briefly on
this because I do know a lot about what's going on. First of
all, in the United States, and most countries, the aviation
industry is pretty much government.
subsidized, so.
And they got a lot a lot of bailout money during the lock
downs here in the United States. And so did the aircraft
manufacturers, just hundreds of billions of dollars went into
them. The problem is four years since I've been tracking it 2008
The aviation the government, part of the aviation industry
has wanted to push through something called Next Gen. And
next gen is basically self flying planes. No pilots,
because you know, pilots are idiots. They're no good. You
don't need pilots. Pilots have been disrespected in the
industry for decades. You're starting pilot, you've you've
put 100 grand into your, your transportation license, airline
transportation license, you have this debt, you're gonna go work
start off at a regional airline, you're gonna make about 25 to
$30,000 a year. I'm not kidding. And then you can work your way
up from there into below the poverty line. Yes, sir. Oh,
yeah. And you're gonna sleep in shitty hotel rooms with or the
kind of like, apartments that you may rent with five or six
different air crew and there'll be five or six people sleeping
there overnight. It's a very, very tough existence. You have
to love flying. So they are disrespected.
You know, there's always been disputes about pay, they have
pretty strong pilots union. And then when the lockdowns came,
and the mandates vaccination mandates, which is very personal
to pilots, you know, and there's a lot of issues with what people
will put in their bodies when they have to self declare they
feel good or not. And so many pilots retired a lot and just
said, Fuck it, I'm not going to do it anymore. We will need
60,000 pilots in the United States over the next two years.
They're not there. They're not being trained. Neal now airlines
are starting to come up with some incentives. So it's broken.
And I don't think it's coming back. And what's worse is the US
government is doing that same old thing. This a lot. You know
what we're going to do high speed rail. They've always
wanted to get rid of aviation. Yep, they're gonna do it again.
They're gonna do high speed rail. The President Biden is
talking about it again, just imagine coast to coast and the
same amount of time it takes to fly to their fencing in this
thing for since Obama since Obama was Obama pushed it really
hard. Remember that you don't have to take off your shoes when
taking the train. Yeah, and none of it, it all vapor. I mean, I'm
sure a lot of people got money for, you know, analysis and
spec, you know, specking it out and doing evaluations of the
land and everything. And then nothing ever happened know that
they were going to do Los Angeles to San Francisco, high
speed rail.
It was going to cost there's going to cost like, I think $8
billion.
They finally made it to Bakersfield. And it's cost
80 $80 billion dollars.
I'm shocked. Oh, yeah. And this is stunning. Yeah, of course. So
just like everything else, I believe aviation will change. I
can already see it happening. We will see new types of aircraft
which are incredibly efficient to fly
and will be able to fly you know, 668 passengers.
These will be dedicated routes, where you'll pay pretty much
what you pay for a full fare ticket. You're not a discounted
ticket. And then these you know, there will be places you can go
and it will be a decentralized system. Maybe people will start
to connect you know, we have a very mature private jet
infrastructure in United States that's unaffordable for it's
just unaffordable. But we will get this for smaller aircraft,
and we and it will work and people will start using it but
the big airlines, I think that's broken
and I will never fly again. Well, here's one thing. So my
dad's internment is, is this weekend in Armonk, New York.
And we're flying on Friday. But I think I want to do the same
thing I want to do our show Thursday night after no agenda
so we can stay overnight at the airport because I it's going to
be a frickin Friday to fly to New York is going to be a
disaster.
Yeah, I mean, that's, that's that's where it gets hard
because then you got some things that you just you, you there's
really no alternative. I mean, you What are you going to drive
26 hours to get? No, no. I mean, it's just not possible. No, I
mean, I if if you have six people, it becomes reasonable to
rent on a Thursday night or do you want to do it Saturday
morning like we're doing now? No, no, no, because this is no
Saturday is the actual internment.
Oh, you're gonna be gone? Yeah, no. So the deal is we fly
Friday. Christina, my daughter is coming in from from Holland.
So we're supposed to meet at the airport in JFK. Hopefully that
all works. You haven't seen her in like three years? No, no, no,
I was there for her birthday last year. But I can't go back.
I can't get into the country anymore.
Because of vaccination requirements. So she's coming
and then we're going to go into the city we're going to see my
stepdaughter and then we're going to fly back to Texas
Christina is coming back to us and and then she'll stay for a
few days and then she goes back so it's gonna be great but and
I'm going to be doing no agenda from from the road on that
Sunday. But Saturday is the actual
blowing dust around stuff. Yeah.
Well, I got in by the way, I'm on one on one gig fibre now. So
No kidding. Yeah, man are stable. We're
on the wire. Yeah. Well, I'm still basically dial up here in
the hill country, but you're here. You're you're saying that
you were doing no agenda from the road? I was like, Oh, crap
hotel Wi Fi and yeah. Oh, yeah. It's always fun.
Okay, well, Thursday night. Yeah. Hey, man. This was long
but good update. I think we kind of caught up on stuff. Yeah.
Back and yes, you know, worse for the wear. Alright, man, I
know you're working today. So have a good one. That kind of
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