Oh, podcasting 2.0 for June 3 2020, to Episode 88. We're
hitting the hockey stick. Hello, everybody. time once again for
your weekly board meeting. I know I'm sorry, we're working
overtime a little bit late. But you know, we did bring the
scotch. So, and some other accoutrements. This is where we
talked about everything happening at podcast index.org
the podcast standards and namespace and of course, we're
the real creative juices podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry
here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama,
your private chauffeur of the namespace roadmap my friend on
the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones
accoutrement.
Yes, well, we're a fancy boardroom, you see, we have a
cooter mom and I bought room.
Did you notice instead of donuts we have course all
Yes. With homage croissant avec homage. Hey, the show is lit.
This show is. This is so exciting. What just happened,
which of course, anyone who's listened to the podcast has no
idea what happened. And I don't know if we can ever recreate the
excitement that we witnessed the fact that should have been
recording I think about it.
Yeah, the that was also first first test run of the live pod
paying notification in detection in the web hook receiver.
Wow, that is a horrible way to explain it.
Take all the excitement and just suck every bit of it out.
What happened was, I started the live stream. And then I updated
through sovereign feeds. I updated the podcast and 2.0
podcast feed. And I'm we're looking at the chat room. And
all around the world. People got a ping on their phone that said,
hey, podcasting 2.0 is live. You click opens up, you start
listening and the chats right there. And we literally saw
people just flow into the chat room one after another. It was
that's that's what happened. That's what you just said.
Yeah. That's what I said in the most boring way possible. Now
okay, so let me say, let me let me talk about it. Because
definitely, the web hook is what Stephen put into sovereign feed.
So that's what sovereign feeds is how you generate the feed
these days. And so he put in the web hook feature, where when you
generate the feed, you can say, Okay, send it to this server.
And it sends the feed the XML for the podcast, feed, it sends
it through a get request, or a post or whatever, do a post
request to the server that you chose. And then so what what I
added this week in, Alex helped me get the Docker container,
Hive writer set up. So I got that on the web hook receiver
server, and this is just a cheap five bucks server. So I've got
that on there. So then when they when the XML for the feed comes
in, when you send it through sovereign feeds, it looks for
pod for status. In the live item, it looks for the live
item, it looks for status equals live. And if he sees that
attribute, it sends the live pod pink, so you don't have to do an
extra step.
It's Rube Goldberg, only. It's not with scotch tape. It's
actually bolted together pretty solid.
Yeah, amazing. We actually have bolts and nuts and, you know,
like wrenches and stuff. I mean, this is actually turning into
real tools here instead of just, you know, gaffer tape. No, I
mean, like, I was holding my breath. But it's just straight
out word, I got the notification. So the cool part
is you, you set up the feed, and then you just hit Send a use.
That's
all I had. That's all I had to do. That's all I had to do.
And then all the rest of it just happens. Yeah.
I mean, we monitored everything. But yeah. And you know, with for
years now, we've been doing the bat signal on no agenda. And
that's still manual. I'm literally copy pasting putting
that into a tweet. This there's some bot pocket no agenda, I
think, which used to be the app is long gone. I don't I think I
don't know. But the developer set it up. So if I if only I
send a tweet and coffee pot, no, pocket, no agenda, then it fires
it has some link into these apps that people still have on their
phones, and that fires off the bat signal. But now other people
have tied shit into it. And and that's what's cool, because
anybody can access pod ping. Anybody could monitor for live
status. You could do all kinds of things. Yeah,
hotel. Yeah, totally. And that's just the that's just the reason
code. We'll have one. You can imagine you started thinking of
all the stuff you can stack on top of that. This, this kind of
is kind of amazing. But I mean, like the most exciting thing was
actually getting a notification through pod verse. Like, he just
popped up on my phone. And then everybody who has pod verse can
just tap it and you
saw that you saw them all flow right into the chat room. It's
so cool is amazing. Wow, that is okay that my breath is taken
away.
Yes, I know you're, I know you're listening, hosting
companies. This, this is what the future looks like this is
imagine your UI where your podcaster customer goes into
their dashboard. And instead of publishing a new episode that
they've already recorded, there's maybe a little drop down
there that says go live or something like that. They change
their status to live and boom, all the pod pings go out and
there's a lot and a live stream kicks on kicks in. And AK you
know, Allah squad casts style clean feed style live stream,
and boom they're on the air. No, totally decentralized. Don't
need YouTube don't need any of that jazz. It's just all
they have a question when people are listening live in PA pod
verse or curio caster are they also streaming 100 sets per
minute
I would think so. Yeah, I'm
I would think so too. I just I've never even questioned it
and just kind of popped up because it is a different type
of medium. I have no idea how there are these apps are
counting I don't know.
I don't either. We could you you could watch the the node
Yes, I could watch the note but then I need to purse Oh, there
it is. Yes. It just glowed green for me. No.
So it is where is it?
Guest so yeah, I guess so. So unbelievable. And people have
and and as it turns out, doing the live day when the podcast is
lit people love boosting and they're boosting with vigor
vigorous boost
listen to this. Let me see where's it
to lose the very best like no lawn ever
is my real dad to them is my car.
I will lose them across the land boosting car
Instagram
Damon DeLorean
beautiful Pokemon I love it.
I want more though. I want more of the chorus boosted grams Dan
and you could have like boost boost boosted grams. Really
dynamite
either waiting to hit me with it.
Someone put it on the podcast index dot social. I'm like, I
don't know. I don't know if Dave is, you know, I'm always
trolling the local timeline. I'm not just looking at stuff. This
is me or people I follow. I look at everything. Like oh man, I
hope David hasn't seen this one yet. No, I didn't see it. And
it's even worse because like I want to, I want to really say
something about it. But I know if I reply to that. I'm trying
the same on Twitter. It's like whenever someone sends me a
great clip I just hit a like you know, I don't reply. I don't
want anyone else to see that is too good.
Yeah, that's funny. DeLorean That's awesome. Yeah, reverse
boost. We need to reverse this.
Cool man. Did you see Kevin rook
in great episode with with Polly toy?
Oh, I have not I have not seen it yet. You haven't listened to
that episode? No, I have not really good PLEASE DO what He
but he tweeted a a chart or graph from which has sponsored
by voltage. And it's, it's, it's like the most beautiful linear
line you'd ever want to see on a chart and it's in the end. The
heading is 7000 plus podcasts on the Lightning Network. And it's
a timeline you got Take a look at my Twitter real quick.
Oh, yeah, I retweeted it. And you saw it. There are now 7000
podcasts on the Lightning Network with 499 new shows added
in May. We're not. Where does the chart
come from?
That's a hockey stick.
Where did the chart come from?
I sponsor about voltage.
How do they do that? I don't know. This is what I've been
trying to get from you for weeks and voltage as it
just, I don't have fancy graphics.
This is just amazing. And I was saying to Tina, I said, Cool.
Fuck marketing system. This flywheel spins by itself. So
the best kind of marketing and PR Did you did you do it?
Really? You don't even do this somebody else does for you. A
really favorite gun.
It really is. Man. I love it so much. I voltage for I guess.
Yeah, and you're right. It it is it is literally a hockey stick,
isn't it? Yeah, it is. That's like home, like the real
car. Not the fake.
This is totally real. It's all right here. The booster grams
are coming in. Oh, man. I love my job.
Somebody replied to that and said can you also release music
podcasts on the network? Oh, yeah. Heck, yeah, you can.
Yeah. And I've had several people call me about that. Who
have contacts within some of these. Some of these companies
and organizations we've been talking about. So that's that is
moving forward.
Oh, that's cool. Yeah. And I knew that as somehow I just knew
that it was going to be like, people were going to respond to
that because it's just too it's too juicy of an opportunity to
be able to throw that out there. Because people have music and
that's the thing. Like, I mean, my my son, you know, he had one
of the things that cripple the cripple. Yes, exactly. Yes. The
credit the invalid. Yeah, he's the convalescent
die. So the convalescent that's what we're calling from now.
He they're about to record another album. So they've got
like six more songs ready to go. So they people have music just
sitting there ready to go? Yeah. What's in Nina then Janine Allah
for
what's nice about these groups, and I'm talking to one next
week. You know, they already have all the bands and
musicians, they have the onboarding. And, and it's very
well understood that I think these people get like, Okay, we
have to provide an RSS feed. Okay. Yeah. Pretty much it you
know, and it's Spencer. Now, Who's he? Who's he working with
on on a reference music app? Was it just him or he sounds? It
sounds like he had a whole consortium he was working with?
I don't know. It's kind of coy about it. It's Astor Spencer
always on the DL? To work on some top secret stuff. I'm all
I'm all indeed up, man.
I want the I want the music podcast app on your phone. Oh,
yeah. I want that. I would eat that up so much. I want to see
Did you hear? Did you hear the thing about Spotify? One their
lawsuit against that company called Spotify? No,
I didn't. What's the what's the Well, part of
phi is like they're just a conglomerate of pot
dispensaries. I'm not sure where they exist. But so Spotify sued
him for Trademark Dilution or whatever in and what evidently,
one hears me No, this past week. But I just thought that would be
a great name for Spencer's music app. Spotify would have been no,
not interested in last five minutes. But
just speaking of interesting was that article I heard about it
that there's some Spotify podcasts that are apparently
making $18,000 a month and they just have a white noise or Yeah,
Pink Noise relaxing white noise? How does that make an advertiser
feel?
I don't know. I mean, what do you what do you advertise
pillows? Or?
I mean, if someone's I mean, I'm sure that these white noise
podcasts are not being interrupted by ads. Should they
be if the I don't know.
I guess I'll pre roll. I mean, it's pretty fired up. But I
don't I mean, to me, it just tells you that, that the fact
that somebody just discovered this, it says enough, right? It
tells you all you need to know about what about podcast
statistics, and all that nobody knows what the heck is going on.
And then two really surprising. I guess they were announcements.
But you know, I just listened to different podcasts. And so
blueberry is now doing as an ad insertion product coming. I
guess
that's what I heard. And yeah, yeah, I guess they they saw, I
think, I think everybody's got something in the worst probably.
But they they probably saw that Buzzsprout released theirs and,
and, you know, need to let everybody know that they had
theirs in the works too.
Let me say this about the Buzzsprout ad insertions. I'm
really, it's, I'm really impressed because here's how I
heard it work. And it was on pod land. So apparently, it finds a
good spot to insert. I don't know if that's dynamic and AI or
whatever. If there's some marker set, I believe it's actually
finding that spot for you.
Yes, that's my understanding. Yeah. And
it kind of does this, it has a little too loose music that gets
mixed in before. So under the last words of the insertion, and
under kind of the first half a second of that. And it's the
same on the way out, so it's not a jarring cut. Very impressive.
I like that a lot. Then, I think it's dynamically splitting up
the chapters, the chapter markers, and and giving it a
part two. So there was an
it's actually interesting talking about it was actually
brackets.
Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Because actually, because you had an
interview on pod land. And there was a part two of your
interview, but you got to part two, and then in brackets, part
two, because there was there was an insertion there. Everything
was perfect, except the image broke on the on these
dynamically generated chapters. Otherwise, bravo.
Did it how did it break? Because I was looking for that just the
image broke. Like there was just no image at all. Yeah, just
I just got a question mark. Okay, icon thing,
because what I was thinking was this shows for sure that you can
absolutely do dynamic ad insertion and still maintain all
the correct timestamps.
Yeah, I'm not sure about the transcript. I wasn't following
along when I knew because I only kind of noticed that like, oh,
okay, hold on a second. Now, here's the thing. I cannot for
the life of me remember what ads were there? Because I skipped
through them.
I can't either. I know what I want the first insert the first
insert seem pretty good. Like the timing of it seemed pretty
good. The second insert caught me like I think it caught me
like, right in the middle of a sentence or something. I think I
paused or something like that. But no, I think that to me, it
just it proves that if you care do it right. Your product you
can do it right. You can adjust the timestamps, you can get
everything right. Anybody who doesn't do it that way and just
says oh, well, you can't do chapters because dynamic ad
insertion f it up as well wouldn't know that if you don't
care it will if you're lazy it will but if you do it if you do
it this way, of course know that a word that does not just proved
it.
So when I don't know if this is up and running fully where that
but I think we should take a couple $100 in and promote
podcasting. 2.0 promote different apps. Hey, hey, I hope
you're enjoying this podcast. If you don't see a boost button,
you're late. You're late.
Yeah, get a bigger Paris. Oh, you got to see my big scissors.
Yes. And we also got a new a new piece of art from Sir Pete
Yeah, the the giant the chances are
this this running with scissors it's become quite the thing.
Everyone's using the emojis and it feels good though. It you
know, that's that's why the last couple shows we had a lot of
shit broken. And there's some frustration I'm sure Stephen B
was very frustrated. Then we had a little little fire alarm where
the feeds that I had generated the lit tag the live item tags
with they were breaking on dog catcher. And I only got reports
from dog catcher I had no idea if it was breaking anywhere
else. And I'm like oh man because you know I was that was
that was my running with scissors like I'll try it on no
agenda. And we do not have no agenda and something breaks I
hear about it.
Oh yeah, but what what's interesting though, from that
experience, is that you only heard about it from the dog
catcher thing I don't think you heard any other breakage No,
no, but you know when I hear when I see two then I'm always
like, oh shit, something's broken. So I didn't at that
point I didn't know is isolated to dog catcher. Nor did I know
that dog catcher is what they call a abandonware
Yeah, yeah. Because that's it. I was surprised that that even was
still out there. I had dog catcher on my phone.
Oh my gosh, it's probably just old. It's been around for a long
time.
Oh, yeah, it's been 11 or 12 years ago. I haven't. And that's
been the last time I used it. I had no idea it was still in the
only reason. The thing about dog catcher back in the day that it
lets you do that, that I don't think anything else did at the
time. Was that it let you choose where to store your mp3 is when
they were downloaded. You could put it on the SD card of
Android.
Right? Right. Right. Right. Right. Oh, my goodness. That was
progress back in the day.
It was Yeah. But that, I think, yeah. So we got I put out the
call to back started. Well, our resident expert in XML. I mean,
he literally is like, was on the XML like committee. So I mean,
he's, he's the absolute expert came in he said, No, you're
doing it fine. There's nothing wrong with this XML. The problem
was right.
And he was just on the on the on the mastodon, right.
Yeah, he popped back. Yeah. Because he, you know, he's, he
came in and wrote a DTD for us. Right. Or, I'm sorry, an Excel
sheet. And design spec. And that was great. And then so I still
had his email and I'm like, Hey, do you mind popping in to give
some insight? Okay,
I thought he got the alert as remastered arm. Okay, I got it.
Yeah.
It was awesome. In so he, you know, it. It's, it was nice to
see to hear that the the tag is not problematic. It's, it really
is a dog catcher. Problem code issue. Yeah, though, and I'm the
I don't think it'll ever be fixed.
No, the devs threw it right back at me. Yeah, he's no good.
I don't know. When's the last time they had a release when it
was 2018? Yeah. Once it goes that long. I mean, it's really
hard to another release. It's a goner. Yeah. So I don't know
what I mean, what does that mean? I think we still need to,
I've downloaded an emulator on my machine. And so my plan is to
is to load up dog catcher in there and just throw a bunch of
live items stuff at it until I can figure out what exactly it
is the bread. Yeah,
it's some kind of Java thing that's breaking. That's it's
throwing an exception. But how
to add a Java array index, negative one, and you can't do
negative indexes in Java arrays?
Well, apparently, I have that power. If you want a negative
one, I'll throw one at you. Let me just press Publish.
So I don't know what's going on with that. It's that I'm not
even I'm still not even convinced it's a it's a live
item tag issue. It could be something completely unrelated.
And just,
I mean, it's I don't know if people subscribed, they pay for
that or Yeah, seems like something would be cool to to
let open up and let people work on and create some create
something out of
Yeah, I do wish that older apps that are out there abandonware
would would open their code. Yeah.
Speaking of older Yeah, I've been rockin Linux Mint on on my
Surface go version one for I don't know four years now. And I
just love it. I mean, it's so fast and finally earlier this
week, the screen literally came unglued on one side
is is your battery swelling? Is it the battery?
No, it's just abuse. It's just I take it everywhere you know when
you open that kickstand that puts all kinds of pressure on
the bench This is the original version and and so I was like
okay I'm you know I really love this device and and I just said
you know what, I'm just gonna get the the surface go three.
And so they've upgraded you know, a whole bunch of things
this thing screams reams it's so fast and I thought they stopped
making it. Yeah, you can still get them on Amazon for 400
bucks. Like this is fantastic and thanks to the Linux
unplugged guys I knew all the things I need to know on how to
migrate Oh nice. Yeah, I got my dot files
I didn't know they still made the surface go I mean are they
is it an older unit?
No. Brand new as beautiful that you know doesn't have that it's
completely black it doesn't have that that ugly Microsoft kind of
fake faux metal.
Oh yeah, the vibe to it. Yeah, the funky material thing Yeah.
And
I already had the keyboard cover so it was pretty cheap
replacement Alma that thing is just in the screen real estate
is bigger even though the the actual devices same size anyway.
Just want to say I'm so proud of myself for the migration. Nice
in one day. Yeah. Yeah. Let me see I have, we have a guest
today in the boardroom. So I'm gonna bring our guests in in a
moment. Here's a little data point for you. Almost every day
I get the domain name renewal notices. And they're pretty much
all on auto renew it until something pops up. I'm like, and
I now I started to ask, can I have 1000s? Then that turns out
to be a lot of money.
That's a lot of money.
That 1000s Hundreds I was 1000s is not right, hundreds. And it's
just now it's 14 bucks, 14 bucks, whatever it is. Don't
worry, please don't email me telling me I'm paying too much.
I know. I like DNSimple. I like those guys. And so this is just
a little a timeline. I got a one year renewal notice for fast
follow dot link dot link. That was a year ago that we started
talking about the fast follow? Yes. Just Yes. Just putting that
data point out there.
And you know, that I've been, I've been thinking about that,
because I've been pretty, that a lot of the stuff I've done this
week has been index API stuff for various people, that hasn't
really been anything worth talking about. And so I've been
I've been thinking Nina, I've ended up I go through these
phases where I get bogged down in, in sort of back back into
work, and I don't get any, anything done on like namespace
and sort of the more push forward projects, and one of the
ones that that I really want to start working on and pushing
forward on is the stuff we're talking about with Nathan
Gaither, I would essentially fast follow with the with the
universal subscribe links. But I just haven't gotten time to do
it yet. So we've got FFL like we gotta get framework to move
forward now.
I saw you posted a, an update about or a clarification of the
roadmap and how we're gonna how we're moving forward and you
clean some of that up? On what I don't know. I just saw a link a
post about it. Where I'm gonna the social.
Did I post that? Yeah, I thought you don't know what topic was.
Was this about? It was
like I'm cleaning up the namespace or some shit like
this. Clean. Oh, I'm sorry. This is from 2020.
Yeah, I did back then. Well done. This Oh, finished.
So you could finally mark that done off your to do list.
Cry with it. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to take
these John's scissors. I'm going to I'm going to get to take them
to the engraver. Get Steven bales name engraved on these. He
gets the scissor award for the crates. He goes first for the
live item tag.
This is there you go. So it'll be our very own podcasting 2.0
awards. And we hand out to scissors. So this is the scissor
for podcast of the year this scissor the scissors for for App
of the Year this Yeah, of course this is are for contract, you
know the feed contributions. I mean, we can come up with
everyone wins the prize. Basically. That's the idea.
Yeah.
participation trophy. That's what it is. Yeah.
No, it's a value trophy.
The the scissor award for person with the best jingle at the end
of the show. Yeah, well clear. Clearly named DeLorean she's,
yep, she is. She's top of the leaderboard. Man, let's see. Oh,
yeah, I just wanted just to make sure. This was kind of
interesting. I think a lot of people got an email from from
Oscar at fountain.
Yeah, I got it. I got that email. Yeah, we all got
it. And I want to congratulate Oscar on on on doing this. I
mean, I never would have known that he does this kind of stuff
where he's thinking that way. This is obviously a bug
somewhere that fired it off because the email said, hey, you
know, we noticed that you stopped using fountain do Would
you mind telling us why? Fantastic. Really, really smart.
Now? Of course it is. The bug sucks.
Because you said well, I used it a minute ago.
Like Hey, dude, you fucker. But yeah, I was impressed by that.
I'd like these things. And
speaking of speaking us as rewards can we give? I would
like to put Alex into our split for this show as gay because he
helped me a bunch this week. And he has been onboarding a bunch
of people to in a tube to no agenda to for all this kind of
stuff. So at the end, that's not cheap. So was Paul's put them in
the split?
Definitely.
Yeah, just got his pumpkin
just briefly on this what I would love for two
I have seen Peter said I sent nudes
so I, you know, I would I'm so close to be I can onboard people
into no agenda tube. I think we have all the pieces together.
The for video I'm talking specifically. But even for for
podcast release really for video specifically, there's no way to
let me see if I'm explaining this right. For a lot of a lot
of new people managing their, their podcast wallet in the
fountain app is very desirable. And I have a feeling that more
apps will be including this functionality. They also have
some statistics which podcaster wallet doesn't provide. The
problem is you can't claim a no agenda tube feed in the fountain
app because the no agenda tube feeds don't have the owner email
items. Yeah, that's right. So how do we fix that? And what do
we need to do to make sure that no agenda tool works as intended
that there's, you know, some of this web torrent stuff is built
in as well. And we're not all just sucking on Alex's pipe?
Sorry, for the visual. Yeah.
Thanks for that. Yeah, I think that's, that's really the
biggest thing with na ta right now is we're just gonna have to
be judicious about, you know, load loading him up. Because
every, every time somebody throws a big pile of videos on
there, it's a direct hit to his into his wallet. So
can can. Now, I think the storage is not that much of a
problem from what I've understood from him. But really,
the bandwidth could become a problem. Is there? Is there a
way that can I set up a server somewhere that that participates
in the bandwidth sharing? Is there? Is there anyone it was
the other way around? I thought it was the bandwidth was not a
problem. But the the storage was better? I'd be wrong about that.
Because I think what he what, what he does
is he needs to he needs to take splits. I mean, he needs to be
creating these, just like an app should be should you know,
somehow he needs to in the feed creation needs to be able to
interact with the podcast or wallet system. I'm really
talking out of my ass now. But I I think you know what I'm
saying?
Yeah, we'll see he takes a bigger split. But like when I
set him up when I set people up with by hand, since they don't
have email addresses, and I set him up by hand. He on the in a
tube side is a 20% split for him. God because because of that
reason, because of the of the bandwidth, which
which which is perfect. But then once you set up, how can I get
that person to be able to manage their splits in the fountain
app?
Oh, in the fantasy that I don't know. I don't know how to
onboard it through that because? Because Fountain has it needs
the email address to work.
Right. And I did get a couple of bug reports that people on
boarded through fountain but then if the value block wasn't
wasn't propagating through to other apps, is that is that a
bug? Do you think? Or is that a caching issue?
Say that again.
So the it popped up on the breeze feed it telegram where
apps onboarded through fountain. So that's how they got their
podcast or wallet. And that was working in Fountain but it
wasn't showing up in breeze or any other apps until I guess
later. Is there? Is there some lag? No, my patient might be a
bug.
It could have just bent. Yeah, it could have been some kind of
bug on on the fountain fountain side because we as soon as the
fountain onboard somebody Oscar sins the split, right back
automated straight back to the Index. Yeah,
I knew was out automated. So that's why it's Yeah, question
is there might be a bug somewhere or caching?
Could be Yeah, it could be. It would have to be I would think
because I mean, as soon as it hits on our side, it's it's in
there now. Oh,
I'm almost out of breath. I'm so excited by all of this stuff.
And then why don't we Why don't we bring in our guests because
he's been waiting very patiently. And he got up super
early. We stayed up late so we could run together with our
scissors please welcome developer owner CEO Big Kahuna
of the visie app, which I've been testing today and I like a
lot. Hello, and welcome to the board meeting. Nick Ivanoff.
Good evening, guys.
Did I say that right Nick? Is it Ivanoff?
It is Ivanoff Yes.
Okay. Now This is really interesting. Welcome, Matt,
you're you're in Australia, you have kind of like an Eastern
European sounding name, but your accent I can't quite place in
either of those.
It's it's such a good question. And the accent is the bit that
always comes through and people can place it. They're like,
where are you from? And it's 100% True. My name's Eastern
European. I was born in Bulgaria, in Eastern Europe, I
ended up growing up in South Africa.
That's what I thought it was South Africa. There you go
straight to Africans.
Just a hint. I come brought up. Yeah. Ben
occludin. Nadler on to explain NATO loans.
Oh, no. Yeah, no, it doesn't transfer as good when I
know, I know. I know. But I've spoken to so many South
Afrikaners now that I can I can certainly understand what you're
saying. It's really interesting. Okay, so Wow, well, at least
you're not rushing, we should not rush and man, you know, your
app would be taken right off all app stores. That will be
horrible. deplatforming will be really sucked. Well, this is so.
So this visie app, then. And I'll just intro because Dave,
sent out the invite. I was not familiar with the app.
And we talked about it a long time ago. Yeah, it's been it's
been? Well, it's been about three, three months ago, or
something like that. Yeah,
this was a very informative, this was a very enjoyable
experience. You know, I'm, I'm always the guy that's looking
for Please, can we do something different. And of course, every
app is completely different. But this was so wildly different,
because the whole pitch is, hey, you're gonna find and this is
pretty much the the dream, I think that everyone is talking
about. And it kind of works in this case, where you come into
this app, not into your standard library view, but into a
discovery view, which includes disease wishes, man, I had so
many dirty things going through my mind with that name, I love
it. I just, I just want to make an app with jerseys. But anyway,
so there's VCs. And you can share those you can follow
people, which is analogous to a lot of the clips and sharing.
But the whole premise is really a discovery. And I mentioned
this to my wife. And she said, That's interesting, because that
would be I didn't give her any more prompting, I'll see if she
installs it. I think there is a need for this type of immediate
discovery type app.
Yeah, yeah. And it's a great, it's a great way to introduce it
into into the discovery screen. And I think what you find is,
we, even when I thought about it, initially, really approach
the problem from the listener side. So when you open the app,
you can see that it comes at you with exactly what you kind of
want from a podcast, app discovery. And if there is visie
thing, what is this new thing? It's right at the top. Yeah, you
can get started and look through it.
And you know, everyone should take a look and see see what I
mean. But it's such a, it's like an upside down approach where
everybody has, you know, the standard app view is okay,
here's your pot, here's your subscriptions, etc. But this,
this really drops you into, into something completely different
right from the get go. And that's what we're that's what's
so super, it's not like a revolutionary idea. But instead
of making the clip sharing subjugated to the functionality
and discovery, it's kind of days for you. It's really more
upfront. I know, Dave, what do you think?
Yeah, no, I came over. I came at it from the, from a from a
different sort of standpoint, because, Nick, I had never seen
the app before I talked to Nick one day and him and his
partners. Forgive me, Nick, I don't remember their name.
Names. But we, you know, he was they were sort of showing me the
whole their whole idea from it. And I was I just got so hyper
focused on the like, the chapter aspect or these markers within
the within the show. And like that, that where you can like
Insert Stuff. Do you want to talk about that, Nick, where
it's like, yep, this because there was a debt. There's a
dashboard, and some other and some other stuff that I don't
remember how to access? Do you want to let go? Like, talk a
little bit how that works?
Absolutely. So it's a great way to talk about because you're
tackling both ends of the platform. So we built the app as
an output. And if you go into a visit, you'll see that there's
images there screens of the change, they're time stamped to
the audio. And then what we showed you was the back end,
which is how you create that experience, which is why it's
right in front of the app saying hey, there's another way to do
this. We're trying something new. Try it so you can see it
out. And, straightaway, so the back end of the platform, every
image is essentially a chapter and enriched chapter, which is
time stamped to the mp3. So the podcaster, or producer would go
and claim their podcast, app dot visit or FM. And in there will
be their feed already. And they can create these chapters and
attach images. And also interactions. If you have a play
around with the top bar, which looks consistent on each page.
They can do interactions where it links through to the internet
directly from the player screen.
Yeah, so it's like it's it's like a rich chapter editor. But
then there's also I think, tell me if I remember this right
there, because your way the folk, I think what your focus
was, or at least part of it was being able to have a better ad
advertising. I guess not experienced, but like, there are
maybe that is right, I better like have ads that actually do
something and are better than just like a, like a display.
Exactly. So I mean, this is this is our proof of concept. So we
can put it in front of people and have them see it. You guys
saw it and you enjoyed it. So our next move is to open that
up, which is why I'm so excited to speak to you guys. Because
this is the probably the central place in open podcasting to talk
about
how Yeah, hell yes, actually, the board meeting, there's no
doubt about it
sucks. I'm just I'm just happy to be and this is my my first
appearance on a on a podcast, writing.
Are you doing very well, you're like nothing, bro. Yes, perfect.
Thank you. So the next step is okay, the listeners always say
the same thing. How do I get my show on here? The podcast is in
the hosting companies have, you know, their own twist on it. So
our next steps are opening it up. So we would like the editing
process in the back end. And it's been described as an
authoring tool to make it really simple and easy so that people
actually use it. So we get more adoption on chapters, and then
work with others that want to stay in the open and unrolled
garden systems to be able to drop smart or interactive ads.
So if you are going to have a pretty good experience, like in
Buzzsprout, where they've done a great job of writing finding the
right place. And you know, they've, it's very clever to
have a jingle, right? Because your mind goes well, okay, this
is an ad, I know what this is. Would it be nice if there was
also a visual and a call to action? So we're working on a
way to get that into the platform. Now?
Are these these chapters? Are they the same? Do they fit in
the same form as a 2.0 chapters, I'm a little lost on this.
Currently, no, currently, they they are directly output it to
our output we're engineering through now is actually creating
the process one step further. Because currently, it's attached
to the feed. So version two will be paid bringing your mp3, drop
it into the system, chapters, markers, images or links you
want. And we will output a bunch of stuff that you can use. So
we'll output an mp3 which has been enriched, that works in the
open system, as well as the JSON that you can use to
podcast. Nice, nice. And
mp4. If you want to go to YouTube, you decide where you
want to go. We even want to build a web player with the
chapters and the images inside it. So you can use that too if
you just want to roll on the desktop.
So interesting how how you're going to eat
in which since you've been feed,
do you have any way? Do you have a way of making money doing this
monetizing? Oh, there's a use the monetize word. monetize?
Good. First try. You're a newbie to podcasting. But we'll let you
slide.
I'm a newbie, I have to be one foot in the startup ecosystem to
so that's a famous, right, you're monetizing? What's your
financial model look like? Yeah, really? Look, there's a few
ways, you know, direct subscription for people to use
the platform we're trying to think about and what you guys
touched upon it earlier. And I think I think keeping podcasting
open really working together is a big deal. And I think some of
the hosting platforms could also benefit from differentiating
themselves and allowing a really easy, clean way to provide
enriched chapters that work across different platforms
to let external tools also be used within their publishing
system.
Exactly. You know, Dave said earlier, right? He goes, Why
can't we have this is the user experience, you have a drop
down, it's in the home that you're used to use it from
within that dashboard. Like that will be really powerful. awful.
And it'll help us reach that. What is it 11% of podcasts using
chapters? You know, let's get it to like 40. What would that is
it really? 11%?
Isn't that 11%? That can't be true.
I think it was. I think it was 11.
Relieve. That seems?
Yeah, I think it's lower than nine that that's even
lower than that.
I'm suspicious. I'm suspicious of that number.
Don't trust anything. I don't trust anybody anything. And the
hunter lab Hunter Biden laptop was real.
It was? Yeah, I don't I don't think that. Like, I think the
one I heard was 1%. Like one one and a half percent or something.
I don't know. That seems oddly low to
too low. That's also too high. You know, I had I had, this is
very interesting. Today, I had a conversation with a Dutch
developer. And he's created a system. He's also one foot in
the startup ecosystem. And he's also looking at, well, he
actually had it like an SEO tool, where he was he says, I'll
take, you literally ingest the mp3. It does a transcript. But
then he did build all this AI. So you can cross reference all
of these different podcasts and come up with ideal podcasts for
Unilever to advertise on. And I liked it, not for the
advertising part. But I said, Wow, what a great tool. That
would be if if someone's just looking for something that was
said on podcasting 2.0 You type it in, you get a bunch of
episodes, you get some other episodes that reference it or
from different podcasts. And you're literally just clicking
around on timestamps, and there's a little editor in there
for you to make a clip or a visie. You know, there should be
additional CI is an open standard for clip. My God, have
we ever thought of that we ever thought of something like that?
Yeah. So so the idea that that open, and that that companies
can start using external tools. And I mean, this is this
something it started with hyper capture for me. Now hyper
capture, you can tap on the podcast while it's playing, and
you can create a chapter mark, and they also have a back end
studio. And you know, Dave Nolan was probably the first to do
this. And now he's revamping and just seems like there's there's
already a rich ecosystem of tools out there. Through the
podcast standards in the namespace, we should be able to
allow people to cook into each other.
So Steven B, is what he sent a boost he just boosting said 2222
says and he says what tech stack is visa using? Oh,
the engineering so I'm, I'm somewhere in the in the middle.
between you guys. Well, I'm not an engineer. So it'd be best
we didn't. We don't have the right guy. The right guy on the
wrong the wrong.
Just just those words just doesn't buzzwords.
buzzwords, what are we? Amazon s3 bucket. What do we have for
the app React Native?
Yes. Okay, for React now.
Feels real good. React Native feels real good.
Yeah, it is like, so what was it though? What was it about the
editor? Because I've tried to find, I think you just showed it
to me, I don't think I actually could access it. Because I went
and went back to try to look at it again. What was it about the
app, you had some special things with ads, they were able to,
you're able to do something with with tracking how the links work
or something like that was refresh my memory.
So currently, obviously, we have the capability to track
everything that happens on the app. And as we build it to be
distributed in more places, we would also be able to track so
the the idea behind it is we're we're also preparing our API to
be open so that we can use it across different ecosystems. I
mean, the alternate enclosure is something very similar that I'm
very interested in, in in podcasting 2.0, which is, hey,
can we display something like a visie outside of the visie app,
but if it is displayed, then we would still be collecting data,
for example, if you're talking about something you can purchase
on Amazon, as Adam was earlier, and you actually displayed that
on this screen because you use the rich chapter that you
created in in the portal, right and then there was a button on
which people clicked and they ended up buying something that
will be attribution. Oh, that's
what it was. So that's our Yeah, that's what it was
like, like, like automated affiliate sales.
Literally, so they There's this other missing piece and, and
it's two ends of the spectrum, you guys dealing with the value
for value. And I'm educating myself on it. I've got the
engineers reading about it. But then there's this other side of
podcasting where, and again, these numbers we have to take
into consideration. They keep changing, but I think they're
roughly correct. 60% of people are said in a survey, to have
gone looking for things that they heard about in podcasts,
which kind of feels right, because I do it. You know, it's
one of the things that gave visie birth is, I want to stop
Googling, I want it to be right here in front of me when I need
it right. Now, if we're approaching 500 million people
give or take listening to at least one episode per month.
That is a lot of revenue generated across the internet,
but it's not associated with the podcasters know, right. How do
we bring it back in the ecosystem? You know, if you
didn't do the the funnel, the you know, the finance stuff, 1%
of them by something, it's worth $30. You know, that's a billion
dollars almost generated from podcasting. There is no way
attributed back. So we're tackling this part of the system
of pay, how do we empower the creators to actually get some of
the revenue of the sales that they are generating anyways?
Yeah, so that's a
big focus of the portal. Yeah. Yeah. I
mean, I clearly bought these gigantic scissors.
Scissors. Yeah. And everybody wants their own personal pair.
I'd be tapping away.
Yeah, I should. I should get begin affiliate kickbacks for
this stuff, man. If you're
if you're if you haven't, if you have CarPlay. Right now, you're
seeing scissors on your screen? That's right.
Thanks. Right. And that's
another thing, you know, we're moving, you know, cars are about
to be autonomous and they have big screens, why not? Home
speakers have screens, you know, there's a little bit more, I
think, I think podcasting could have a little bit more.
Something that's just a bit more than audio a little bit less
than video, we get into that. And not everyone can afford an
amazing production team. But if you can create your own visuals,
you're kind of halfway there without the studio and in the
editing skills. So hopefully, you know, it's
if you don't mind me asking, do you have investors? Is that are
you financing these yourself? Do you have day jobs?
Oh, man, so I quit my day job,
adulation. Nothing like
nothing. And I'm talking like seven months ago since I last
got any income. No investors. So far, we've used our money to
this point, and it's yeah, it's been an expensive adventure so
far, but well worth it. Well worth it.
What's your background?
My background, so I come from my backgrounds probably as mixed up
as my upbringing, which is being obviously wonderful, but like
from so many places, so I went to school for biology, and
pharmacy, and then decided that's not really my path.
I went to school for pharmacy as well. Interestingly enough, just
different different paths, different paths, but better
living through medicine, baby.
It is. But I decided maybe not the best way to earn good money.
So I got out and I worked for FinTech in a in FinTech for
seven years. And then exited out 2021 After an amazing Ron, but I
decided, you know, I need to I need to do something else. And
unlike all my other brethren that came out of FinTech and
went to payments or buy now pay later, I decided to go for
something I'm really passionate about. And you said it earlier,
you know, it's changes. I'm just looking more so than anything
else to help change. And I think podcasting is just so huge, and
it will become so much bigger, right? And we've got this, if we
go back to the start and obviously, Adam, you were there.
But right, we had iPods and I've listened to a podcast and an
iPod is now discontinued. I've listened to a lot of podcasts on
iPod Touch. Also discontinued. Yep. Now it's all iPhones and
smartphones. But if you look at the player screen, it hasn't
really changed. Correct. It's the same thing. It's like a
cassette deck, Play, Pause. fast forward and rewind. You know,
yeah, like, Hey, I've seen this somewhere before. Yep. And it's,
it's essentially, what I would like to say the commercial side
is on the most valuable real estate in the world is correct,
but it's a cassette deck.
Correct. Which is why we're so proud of our our boost button,
being front and center as a way for people to support what
they're listening to at that moment. I mean, that that, would
that. I mean, that wasn't even planned. She just happened. And
then you know, confetti And, and all this other stuff. And that's
also a part of the open ecosystems, you get all this
creativity and, and you know, a lot of stuff falls by the
wayside and a lot of stuff sticks a lot of stupid stuff
like scissors, but it's ours. Right. And, and and I think that
translates through to the work that developers do it. It's it
to me, I'm not a developer, you aren't either. But it's, it
gives everybody the chance to be really creative and provide
input. Even if you're not actually coding or doing
graphics or UX or UI. Everybody can have a say in it. It's
really nice.
Correct, correct. And what you guys are doing, it's incredible
it is it is a step forward in the journey. That's why I want
to be in touch be taught by you guys and support the system as
well. But you know, you're crossing the boundaries as well.
People are always trying to define podcasting. What is it?
Oh, it has to be recorded. And well, no, you guys have found a
way to make it also life and it becomes an experience and part
of people's rituals and ceremonies. Oh,
nice. callback. Nice callback. I got a lot of good comments. Pod
sage on your, on your little soliloquy there on the last
episode about not rituals, ceremony, and tradition and
stuff like that. That hit home with a lot of people.
At least somebody did. I got zero feedback.
I had to drag it out of it. But they admitted it finally,
direct all your feedback to me through Adam, please. Yeah.
Cool. What? So you clearly have podcasting 2.0 designs in mind.
And like, what, what do you see? For visie? Like, how, what are
you? You're using the index, you're using the API, the
podcast API. But as far as podcasting 2.0 features clearly
chapters makes a lot of sense. What else do you think makes
sense for an app like visie? Going forward?
A good question. And I sat down. So the sound bites is really
important, we have a very clean snip feature inside the app. So
you can share five seconds, you can share two minutes, just the
bit you're interested in. And it comes across with the visual,
which is quite nice. Again, that's a small thing. It's like
a little celebration at the end of a boost. But when you share
it with the visual people click, they enjoy it. So the sound
bites, very interested, very interested in transcripts, and
very interested in trying to use our back end to maybe even take
those transcripts and make them into really good visuals, so
that we can have the same experiences playing a podcast,
if you're hard of hearing, it's hard to enjoy a podcast, you can
read the transcript. But if you can read digested into little
slides, then you can still have the same experience. You pull
out your phone, you press play, and it'll start going. Almost
like captures in real time. Right? So we're very interested
in using that.
Not just that a lot of people who are not native English
speakers enjoy it immensely. To read along with what they're
hearing. And so making that a different visual experience
perfect.
Absolutely. And as natural language processing gets better,
you should be able to have real time translation captions. So
then there's no borders in where the podcasts coming from, which
is
the dreams and dream. Yes. And my podcast Apple order my milk
when I'm running out, I cannot wait. The Dream babies the
dream?
I'm not sure we're gonna manage to turn it into a super app, not
pre funding, depending on our first round, if we can.
Obviously, the funding is really important. And I think the more
the merrier. We're not trying to replace ads. I think the
podcasts you choose. If they want ads, they can keep the ads
if they don't want to, and they can do it through commerce and
through links. That's great for them. But the funding and the
booster grams are important. And the last thing we're really
interested in obviously we're interested in all of them is the
alternate enclosures. Because you know you could have video
you can have a visie it just gives a lot more creative,
creative flex, to have that available to
create a flex, creative flex, creator flex, is that what you
said creator flex,
creative, flex, flex, okay,
I'm always looking for a good title, creative flex,
creative flex, because it's hard right? If you're publishing a
podcast now, according to your guys's stats think this 4.8
million at the moment is hard to differentiate. So giving you
more tools, hopefully we'll have that help that along.
With were you What do you think? Go ahead.
Are you going to? Or do you think you're going to do a web
app at any point? Are you pretty committed to native apps on the
different on the two different platforms?
Fantastic question we do, we definitely want to do a web
player app that has the same experience. So currently, we
have a web player, you don't need the app to listen to it,
you can just press play. But we want to bring in that experience
where you can scroll through the carousel independently of the
audio, and also interact with the buttons. We haven't thought
about a full player on a web app, certainly put it on the
roadmap, there will probably be a product question getting a
little bit of feedback and thinking, are people going to
use it? Do they have a requirement for it? In saying
that there is some research? I think that came out of pod news,
that desktop listening is increasing? So the increasing
use case for that increasing? Yes,
really? Yeah, that's an issue because we, we talk a lot about
that share of the, the stats around female podcast listeners,
they listened tend to listen a lot on the web. But that's, it's
interesting that that would that the web percentage would be in
would be increasing. I don't know if he knows funny. I think
that is I'm pulling this completely out of my butt. I
have no idea if this is true or not. But it's just I feel like
the web is having a little bit of a resurgence. I mean, I
agree. You know, it's not, Nate. And I would say native apps are
still, they're still super important. They're still they
still feel better on a mobile platform. But I find myself more
and more dissatisfied with being in front of a tiny screen. If I
want to get any real work done, I really just longed to be in
front of a decent sized screen with a full fledged computer.
And once you're there, I mean, you really want to be able to
listen, or interact. I mean, because perfect example. I've
been trying to get some stuff learned on the guitar, but
trying to learn a couple of songs, and going through some
lessons on a couple of things with pick technique. And it just
the other night, it just drove me nuts, I had to just put down
the phone because I'm sitting there on the couch, with with
the guitar and and with the phone trying to prop it up
against everything. And I was like, Screw this, and I just
walked over to the computer, a computer sat down in front of it
at the desk. And now I have a huge nice screen, good speakers.
I can watch the guy join this pig technique. I'm comfortable.
It was like, Ah, just this breath of fresh air getting away
from the stupid mobile screen. And like I think sometimes, and
especially the like, people are fond of saying that, you know,
oh, when people listen to podcasts, nobody looks at their
phone while they're listening to a podcast. Well, I mean, I find
myself looking at the phone more and more now that there's a
reason to with podcasting 2.0 chapters and all these kinds of
things. And I find that you've combined combine all that into a
really good web experience for podcasting. I think it can go
really far and do a lot. I mean, we've already seen it with
curio, gastropod Vers, pod friend. These are, these are
apps that have a really high quality web experience. And I
think I think that's bringing people back to to see how good
web can be.
You know, I've been using web apps almost exclusively for
years now. I mean, I use I use apps, but I love the web. I my
email was rain loop, which is part of next cloud. That's a web
app. And you know, I love web apps that also desktop apps
like, curio caster, it's kind of, I don't know, it works for
me, because the mobile experience is good. And the
desktop experience is literally expanded.
I saw an app, another app this week, somebody showed me an app
in private. And it was a web first app. And clear, like
designed from the ground up web first. And that takes that takes
some balls. I mean, like to do to do that in this day and age
is to say, Okay, we're gonna go web first and then native app,
is Latinos an afterthought because you're it's a risk. It's
a monad. It's a it's a financial risk, you know,
that's a big move.
Yeah, it is. But but you know, I guess, I guess if, if the shares
are increasing, and if there is sort of a swing pendulum swing
back the other way, I guess we know Hey, might work. Yep, but I
think it's worth doing them.
I think you're right, and I can speak for myself if I have. It's
funny. We have a lot of screens around us. Somehow the
experience of On desktop or a laptop, just a full functioning
PC is a lot better. And I'm drawn to it, you know, I've got
my PC on my desk, and I've got my phone in my hand, more often
than not, I've got a slack to reply to, I'll use my desktop,
as an example, right? Because
you can use either one, that app that I was talking about that I
was shown, what was so great about it is it was it had all of
this content that the user they the screen was just packed full
of good content. You weren't, like when you're on the phone,
I'm sure he would visit you. I mean, you know, this intimately,
is like, you have to agonize over putting one more thing on
the screen, because it's going to screw everything up. You
know, it's like you just got such little tiny little space.
But you know, when you have all that real estate for a web app,
it's like, ah, you know, it's just pretty nice. Spread out.
Yeah. And just, you don't have to, you don't have to worry
about ran out of room is good.
And you're all NDA up on this. You can't tell us more about it.
I'm thoroughly like Todd man, put me on the top.
Oh, it's my new thing. What do you think is what I do?
Todd? Yeah. Cool. So you definitely plan on, on what
you're investigating value for value, streaming payments, and
booths, etc. Now, right?
Yes, yes. Cool. Very cool. Yeah, as well as all the others would
love to have all of that in our authoring tool. And just to keep
it the more places because because there's some feedback
from the podcast producers as well. And it's, what's the egg
situation where they love and love what it does and respect
that their listeners will really enjoy it. But there's always a
little bit of, you know, how many places can people enjoy
this in, and it will be good to slowly start opening that up. As
as the standard and the namespace comes together, I
think we can really have it across enough listener density,
that it becomes more and more attractive becomes a bit of a
snowball effect with people rolling towards us, rather than,
you know, a walled garden where you get 1.5 cents for an ad,
right? Yeah, I'm, I'm coming it kind of enamored by this, I just
kind of clicked in my head, the idea that any app can onboard a
podcaster. And then that works in all the other value enabled
apps.
Exactly.
It's really it's really kind of, it's really, I mean, that's,
that's what fountain does, that system works. I wish more would
do that. I understand that just building a, an onboarding path
and within your app is not something you just do. But wow,
does it does it really make it? I mean, that's a whole new when
you, here's what happens. So I helped onboard a very big Dutch
podcaster. And so they're just getting their feet wet with all
this stuff. And they really had a company doing this for them.
And now they're doing it all themselves. And so they, you
know, they chose out of their own volition Oh, that we'd like
pod verse, we'd like fountain. And so they saw the booster
grams and fountain said, Okay, how do we do that? Well, you
onboard that way. And so now it's kind of like a closed
ecosystem, even though it'll work on any other app. That you
know, the benefit to fountain is because they're using fountain
to listen and to create, they're going to tell the listeners to
use fountain. So I think these types of things are important
for all developers to think about. Because it's, it's a
creative flex.
Yeah, yeah. Cuz that's what I see happening as a sort of side
effect of all this is that it's sort of blurring the lines
between host and listen, and because especially to take
Vaizey for instance. If you have that tool, the tool, you know,
the tools can live outside of the traditional client server
split or host listen split. So you can have your I think, I
think you're right, I think apricots are sort of created or
launched this idea that you can have, you can have the hosting
company, hosting your podcast, and then you can have the app
reading the podcast. But then you have this other thing over
here. This sort of like it's neither one and then Stephen B
is taking this and going logician you know, just run just
flat off the cliff with it and said, you know, we're going to
do everything where it's this third option, and that tells you
that any app can cannot just, I get okay here. I'm losing
myself. But what I'm trying to say is that, I think an app like
visie and and And what others are doing shows that the app
doesn't just have to be a consumption device. It cannot it
it's, it can be a two way street. Does that make sense?
No.
It makes sense. It makes sense. It can be a two way street. And
also the, in this situation, the tools that you use in order to
get an output in an app can definitely be cross platform.
How do you curate in one spot, and output to many spots, and
then people can choose right, some people absolutely love
their overcast. Some people, surprisingly, love Apple
podcasts for some reason, you know, some people will use, let
them use the app that they want. And let us try and get that
experience across as many of them as we can. And including,
you know, web, and desktop, as you mentioned, I think that will
be really important. And it'll take it'll take collaboration.
So I think this is a good place as a central point for everyone
that wants to build on this system. And obviously, like,
reach out at me on LinkedIn. You know, let's talk about it. You
know, strategically, we can work together to try and make it
work. Otherwise, it might just fractionalize Even more,
which is Steven, is people like dog catch.
There it is, in a nutshell, everybody.
Do you think you'd ever tried to do some partnerships, like with
hosting companies like blueberry or pet sprout or rss.com, or
something like that?
I would love to explore it, I'd love to explore because I think
the strength with that is, you know, if we can build a really
compelling tool that's really easy to use people like when
things look good, they're clean, they're easy to use, but then
provide it to them at scale, where they already are without
having to change their, you know, ceremony or ritual or how
they produce their show. I think that will actually expand things
quicker, rather than obtaining them one by one.
That makes sense. Yeah.
Shall we? I'm sorry, go ahead.
Up nope, that's it for me.
Oh, I was just gonna suggest maybe we thank a few people who
supported the project. With their time, talent and treasure,
this will be the treasure portion. And for those of you
who are new value for value, look at value for value.io.
Value number four value.io is a brief explanation. It's a
precursor to the big manifesto, I'm still working on with
Professor Ted. It is forthcoming. And actually, Tina
is going away with her daughter for a couple of days next week,
I hope to be able to wrap it up. It's gonna be like, there's no
this there's no distractions, everything will be everything
will be perfect for you
that close Are you that close to I mean, like you could wrap it
up within a couple of days?
Well, I'd like to wrap it up. And then I want to send it past
Gigi, he's offered to take a look. Oh, good, I want to send
it past you. And then when Tina comes back, I want to throw it
to the Tina wash because that's you know, that's kind of like
the ultimate triple wash that's organic, it was the enter with
the green goo Yeah, you get the green goo wash and the blow dry.
And, and that and then I think it should it should be good to
go. But anyway, value for value means whatever you're getting
out of this project and I think even as a just to a listener,
you're probably seeing all of this stuff all this value that's
being created. And one way to return that to the project into
the show which is really just the facade for the project is by
going to podcast index.org down at the bottom you have a couple
ways to donate your Fiat fund coupons are welcomed through
PayPal. You can send on chain Bitcoin, if you have a couple
laying around we put all that on our node we provide liquidity
with that which has been going quite well actually. The fees
are the perfect spot now we're no one's complaining about them
and we're also not being drained. Our channels aren't
being drained it's and I haven't had to write unless you're
rebalancing I haven't had to rebalance anything in the past
at least four weeks. Are you kidding? We have these moments
like okay man, I gotta I gotta restart the node which means
it's gonna go into compact note we both sit there with sweaty
butt cracks for 20 minutes Yes, like Oh, and with Graham on
signal like Dude, can you just make it you sure is it coming
back up? Will it will it come back to life?
I have bugged him so much I feel bad about it. Now like there's I
mean if you've done all that and Sir Spencer hasn't popped up
yet. You've done a good job.
He still has a channel with us. I think so that's that means
good. We still have love and of course we'd love the boost and
the booster grands let me just hit a couple of the live ones we
got a while we were lit and only the booster Graham so we had
Steven B with his Rolodex for what tech stack is busy using we
handle that and we see we have a booster RAM from C Dubs. Thank
you for 2222 and a 333. Hard Hat row a duck's Mike Newman 55,555.
And oh,
he says, Yeah, you know what we should
and I can't drive 55 booths for y'all from New Mexico where this
Texican with this Texan Texican with this Texas where this Texan
literally can't go podcasting
get lost in the translation
somehow he's driving 20,000 SATs from Brando sellers. Who says
doubling my boost from last week to make up for the error
though from the sleek podcast
no right there you go 44,444 SATs from petyarre No a big
boosters
here. Yes, he
says a pre booster ejaculation boost actually boost that's more
like N four v x. Ro 611 11 live on curio Castro 2101 e s t
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pre boasting another row of ducks. Same from now this this
is interesting. I put the pending tag in two hours before
showtime and people were boosting on it. Oh, boosting all
the pending tag boosting on the pending time which is legal in
all 50 states
through through pod verse or through Korea cast or both.
Let's see This is curio caster with elite boost 1337 and four v
VX pre boosting the Saturday night podcast party. Well, it's
Friday night. Another one from en for VX. Forget the third
rail. That's mo facts. I'm sorry.
You're crossing the street. I
think I am crossing the streams here. I don't know. Here we go.
Kyron pre boosting for the mystery guest is it the ghost of
Sidney Gottlieb to help Dave with his MK Ultra experiments.
And that was boosted four hours ago by chyron on the live item,
because I got it here in the helipad row stakes. And that
will Yeah, so that was definitely on the on the pre on
the pending pending lit.
And where are you? Where are you in in Australia with? I'm in
Sydney? Sydney. Okay, all right. In Brisbane,
and then just in under the wire before we go back over the
booster grams from the weak Dred Scott. Who is the Bruce Wayne of
podcasting? 2.0 Ladies and gentlemen 50,000 SATs right
there Oosting it live or listening on pod verse on i Oh s
go podcasting. And he has little he might from iOS. Yeah. And he
has a little mic emoji and down arrow. So Mic drop.
You know what I'm gonna I'm gonna give you a little bit of
this. Can you hear this?
Is that a dog toy? This is the scissor six. Not a doggy toy for
sure. That's Wow. They are. No they're your scissors are huge.
Yes. What I've been told. We got a we got to pay pal from Anthony
Thomas zoo ski for $20 and it is from the static podcast Adam and
Dave, thanks for all you do. Dave Thanks for the help the
other day go podcasting.
Go podcasting. Thank you very much. We appreciate that podcast
we get another one from Andrew Kelly right under the wire at
$10 through PayPal and he says go podcasting
that's it that's it for the that's it for the single weekly
I was chatting with with Roy and we are going Roy from breeze we
are going through a transformation here which I've
been playing paying very close attention to we've been
migrating away from Fiat fun coupons through PayPal into
booster grams without Now of course there's some bitcoin
pricing but without really dipping too much in in the
overall income to fund the fund the system. It's it's this is
very important what we're doing here.
It's a smooth transition.
It appears to be Yeah, it really does. And I'm incredibly
impressed. Now of course we're asking people to pay attention
to what they're boosting. And I think the the live factor is is
definitely helping that I mean no i No, it is it's it's helping
keep everything where we need it to be at without, you know, and
just without losing any steam because we're losing the PayPal.
And we we did lose the so we and we did lose a pipe we lost a $50
a month donor subscription through Pay Pal. So then this
month and that's, that's why we build the war chest like we are
always talking about building up, you know a good savings
because, you know, we want the economies go up and down this
$50 month I mean, they may be I don't know maybe he lost his job
maybe something like that that's always gonna be the case. And so
we you know, we want to be self sufficient. And that's that's
what we
do. And also look at the industry everywhere people are
cutting back five, eight 10% stopping hiring budgets are
being slashed. We had no budget to start with. It's hard to say
are we all we have is the Is this the Bitcoin on the node and
our little war chests that we just keep very carefully
watching so that, you know we can always pay the bills?
That's right. And Karen, for the mere mortals podcast helps us
pay the bills that 3790 SATs through curio caster. He says,
You've both inspired me to do a whole episode on music 2.0
Nice little music a boost.
And Dave, you're reading with backup music from Adam was
wonderful, poetic even
dude, I need to say something about that. So you were reading.
I'm thinking I gotta do something with this. I go
quickly, I go find some Green Sleeves, because that's what
that what that track is is two minutes or like a minute 25 I
started I fade it in under you and you end it and you actually
drag out the ending of your read all the way to the end of the
music. One of the most professional things I've ever
seen someone do on a podcast. That's right, seriously, and
it's also because you're a musician. It was it was good,
man. That was impressive.
All those years of college radio, hospital radio.
That'll do it.
Hashtag never skip the V for V section.
Agreed? Hell yeah.
Don't skip. Don't be a hater. Thank you don't just post Chris
Fisher, our buddy from Jupiter broadcasting 6666 sets through
fountain he says pod father and sage my apologies about the
overexcited Linux crowd.
Loose Bucha know we love the overexcited Linux crowd.
You know how technical users are they always want to provide a
solution to a problem and being the Linux user who converted the
pod father to Linux would be a feather in their cap. The Linux
fans just get excited on behalf of all of them. I apologize when
I was a young lad I would do I too was much like them these
days I say record however you want to record just do your
thing and pod on
well I'm I'm very excited about the about the road caster. Yes,
I'm getting my hopes up. I'm getting old JD about it. Because
that thing although you can't run the software it that should
just integrate with with Linux fine. With existing shit.
I keep man I hope that thing works good. I can't. I'm afraid
of the fear that it's just gonna like there's gonna be a fatal
flaw
but you'll be there to catch me. I was when when I collapsed in a
heap of disappointment. You'll be you'll be there for me baby.
I'd be there to catch you with these
monk Monty kaka gave us 500 sets and he's the fountain and he
says I love Ron Paul too. Yay. I don't know what this
is okay, but we'll take it
Yeah, okay. I always remember when you asked Ron Paul in your
when you interviewed him feels a structure or a folder or a
folder and he was like he got all offended. He
was like what you're talking I don't see what that has to do
with the conversation. It was at the very end of like, one more
question. Senator or Senator Paul. Are you fold or scrunch
here? He's like I don't see how that is relevant to this.
i He was not a
Don I was egged on to do it. Everyone's like, Come on, man.
You got to ask him. You got an he had no humor about that. He
had zero humor.
If nobody knows what they miss about toothpaste tubes.
Toilet paper. Oh, toilet
paper. Okay. Toilet paper. I forgot. Boris because they'll
ski. Give us 200 SATs. And he says thanks for saving the
podcasting.
And we do that in our spare time.
Yeah, on a Tuesday. Yeah. Blueberry. I'll So known as
boost, burry gave us 3333 sets. All right, he says, Thank you,
Dave and Steven B for helping for the help getting in our in a
tube channel working in the index. Anyone want to use
behind?
Behind the schemes? Oh, I
see. I see what he means. Anyone wants to use behind the scheme's
as guinea pigs with scissors for live video in app we're game?
Yeah, yeah, definitely. Let's get that going. I got my camera
everything. I'm ready.
You didn't fire up the camera this time? Did
you know I was afraid of fear? Well, because here's what has to
happen. Video has to be working in in pod verse. Because you
because I want it you put the video stream you put that into
the enclosure on the live item tag. That's the next step. I
don't know. I don't even know if curio caster can do that yet.
I don't know. I don't know. We'll see. But
once we have that, then you know, then we just fired up and
then people will see some video and I don't know what it'll be.
But you'll see something moving. And then you'll hear the audio
now I'll still I'll still throw it out to the to the stream. And
we still use the same chat room. But that That for me is the next
step. That's the next thing I want to do.
Nick does divisi support video at all? Currently, we do not any
plans?
Definitely. Definitely. I think I think video for those that
choose to do video production or they just use the camera on
their laptops. I think it's I think it's good. Some people are
really enjoying it. And you can see of the podcasts that are
using video with a poor bit more production. They're getting
they're getting quite a lot of fraction there's because they're
showing visuals on the screens, charts, pictures, places. And
he's good. He's getting actually pretty good traction.
Hey, you should also take a look at the maps guys. Was it maps.fm
day? Oh, yeah,
yeah, yeah, that's right. So in Cridland Crillon is involved in
that somehow right. And he like advisor advisor or something?
I believe so.
That means there'll be sold soon.
For his exit strategy. Yeah,
sure. No, if I had to sell something I get critical
involved. Heck, yeah. Anyway, that's something that's
something to think about Nick, is that you could do cool ass
maps. Shit. That's the acronym is.
Cas sit in your pitch deck.
It's called we have the CAS which is this new feature we've
just introduced it's an acronym for cool at CAS cams. There you
go. Thank you. Cool last match. cams. Also another possible
title cams.
What what VC wouldn't go for that? Yeah.
Cool. Last map should baby come on. That's what we're talking
about.
Perfect time for it. It's not it's not it's not as it's not a
suggestion far from our pitch deck. I mean, like, you can do
cool. You can do some cool as shit like, walking tour. Once
you once you've got that visual on the screen. Yeah, the world
really opens up with
Yeah, I used to do this thing called the sound seeing tours.
And I'd set up, I had a great stereo mic. And I'd walk I
walked Union Square One time at midnight in San Francisco talk
to whole bunch of homeless people, which was interesting,
but you know, I just be describing as I'm walking and
the quality was so beautiful of this of these microphones. And
people loved it. I one time I recorded my entire flight. I am
a pilot and I flew myself over the over the English Channel and
as I hoped in the radio, and so I was narrating what it was just
a solo flight. But I was narrating and it had this really
cool deep rumble from the engines and it really became an
immersive experience and to be able to enhance that. Oh man.
Creative flex babies.
So cool. Greater flex.
Was that on it? Was that on a separate thing or was that on
daily source
code daily source code? Oh, cool. Yeah, it's out there
somewhere.
Ferrell Jeremy sent us 1000 SATs through fountain and he says
first time booster Keep up the good work. Welcome Nomad Joe
since 2000 SATs and he says boosted
red roof boosted
our Davis 87 cents 10,000 SATs for episode this is interesting.
He sent it this week but it was for episode 74
Bank is way behind. That's all right. We'll take it at least we
know what you were listening. What was episode 79 You said or
7574 confetti
cannon?
Oh, okay, back But it's going back
like 14 weeks ago. Podcasting 2.0 To the Moon go podcasting
boost floydian slips give us 5000 SATs through fountain Nene
says this is boost advertising for post get podcasting for last
it is boost vertising for podcasting for value last hard
to say when idiots attempt at starting a value for value
podcast.
That chyron No no, no
no no this is floydian slips.
Oh, okay. All right, Ford you've slipped Yeah,
yeah. See Sam Sethi Oh 100 sets he says test using pod verse and
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15,033 sets through fountain and he says, howdy, David. Adam. I
hope Russian nuclear missiles didn't reach you didn't reach
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that comics are blogger is is booster gramming promoting other
podcasts. That's
I don't understand what's happening in the world. He's
giving money to other podcasts.
Now you get to this for that that was very cool. It was
beautiful.
Thank you. Everybody knows our group of booster grams and we
got some monthly donors. Chad Farrow $20.22 The PR the ever
lasting PR representative as he Scott Jalbert $12
paid to pay tar just says in the chat. Hey guys, I'm interested
in both AI and cooking at the same time. Do you have any
suggestions?
Give me a minute. Give me I can't
come up with anything.
Yeah, man. I'm drawing a blank. Loretta Vandenberg. $10 Pedro
van calvess $5 Aaron Renaud $5 Mark gram $1 Thank you, Mark.
And thank you everybody. That's our that's our group.
Thank you so much for those of you bringing time talent
treasure, this is treasure but the time and talent is
everywhere all over this project. Actually, I was
thinking because we got a little bit of talent and time which for
this type of person equals treasure. We got a really nice
opinion from a lawyer about wallets and the pending
legislation of you know what a broker is all this stuff that
gets everybody nervous. Yeah, do you think we should have him
have him on?
No Yeah, for real? Yes, sure. Sure.
I mean, I've been asked him I haven't asked him but I'll just
say look you can't bill us for this
exposure but we'll free exposure will
give you a split in the in the value block. We'll do that.
Yeah, cuz it's, he's a fun guy. So it might be interesting to
have him maybe not for the whole show but have him on and just I
think we
should have him on in this for this reason is because I listen
to a lot of Bitcoin podcasts and people in Bitcoin Bitcoiners and
people involved in Bitcoin things do not talk about the
real world aspects of the legal side of things. They never they
hardly ever talk about it. Right. Even in private, they
don't when you ask, Hey, what's your opinion on? Is this? Is
this kosher? Can we do this? Like, nobody has anything to
offer? And so actually hearing somebody say, you know, I think
this is okay, or this is something you should watch out
for. That's valuable stuff.
I think Yeah. And you saw it. You saw the the letter that he
wrote, he'd really done some work. I mean, he even looked at
tally coin, and, and all these other things that we're doing
specifically. I mean, that was I thought it was very interesting.
And he said, Hey, you know, I don't see where listeners would
have to be reporting anything. I mean, basically, what it came
down to was the IRS or the opinion that would be the
regulation that would be enforced by the IRS is kind of
goes as follows. If you don't have any information of value to
us on this person, we're not interested in you.
Thought that was really good. That was a really good
observation because it like when it comes to tax reporting taxes,
things like 1099 's and stuff like that. If you don't know any
Anything about the person, then you can't report anything so
they don't care.
Right? That's exactly what it says. Yeah, it's exactly what it
says. You know, it's all little money anyway, this is really
much more for exchanges and, and you know, for Big Boy stuff. Not
that yeah, not the value for value isn't big boy stuff, but
it's it's so distributed and wide and therefore much smaller
assist just it's not going to be of interest.
Yeah, yeah I think we definitely should do
two quick lips before live booster grams that just came in
see Brooklyn 112 Thank you for your courage on the from a curio
caster and we have one from fountain No, that's sorry.
That's interesting. Something just came in for no agenda.
Really right now.
Yeah, for Bitcoin fixes this wakeup JCD I thought I thought
for sure that was gonna be for us. I know I've been mixed node.
And makes note. Yeah, I get all kinds of stuff on my node. I
just sometimes just sit there all day and just watch. Watch
the green glow and the occasional aquarium.
Yes, yes.
Oh my god, a heavy pad aquarium style, where the fish are just
swimming and all sudden one of them will glow. And a number
will pop up. That's first stream and that one will just explode
into fish guts and confetti. When a booster Graham comes in.
Do
you have an audible before the show?
Okay, well, it's a late show. What can I tell you? I'm sorry.
I'd already had my dinner my coffee. So yeah, there you go.
Thank you, everybody for supporting us value for value.
If you don't see a boost button in your app, you should get a
better one new podcast apps.com 58 apps and services
now using the podcasting 2.0 standards.
59. Actually, oh, because I just merged a new one into the Apps
page today, but hadn't rolled it out yet.
Which one is that? I forgot. So many now we forgotten. Yes. Yes.
And not everybody has all the all the features all the tags.
But this is this is how how we grow it.
Nick is busy on the Apps page of the book. I don't think so.
We're not on 6060 6660s big numbers. Great.
Yeah, you gotta go. Yeah. Put it on there. Yeah, you got
all you have to do is do a pull request. Nick. Do you know how
to do that?
Yep. Yep. Good. Or at least I know. I know. Someone that knows
how to do
exactly. That's my answer to Yeah, I know. I know. A guy who
can do that for me. Excellent. What else we need to cover?
Dave? What are we missing anything for? For our show here?
Our little show?
I think we've had a good show. I've got an ISO if you want to
if you want to roll that out. And that one out there. Sure.
Don't have a faint in Holland. That's from Top Gear. You're
watching Top Gear. Yeah, he called me. Yes. I don't remember
the episode though. Yeah,
it was that one was some Formula One Dutch guy like some some one
of the one of the babes when they come race babes or
whatever.
Posts. Oh, that's, that's a Dutch version of it. Sorry.
That's it there
you go. Whatever they whatever the term for that is the girls
that like start the race or whatever. She just fainted. Oh,
and landed on his car. These guys come to help her back to
the pit or whatever help. They pick me up, pick her up or
whatever. And then one of them grabs her but when he picks her
up in there, yes. And they were like don't ever feign in
Holland.
You can always count on him.
And then the Dutch racecar driver. The Dutch driver says,
Man did you mess my car up? Not issue. Okay, but did you screw
my car up?
That's funny, Nick, man. Thank you so much for for getting up
early. And let me see. I have it is not. Wait. 1247
It's not 1247. Yeah. Okay. It wasn't that it wasn't too bad.
Wasn't the office the size of the day?
Exactly. Well, we get you out of here in time for lunch. Yeah,
no. You're just in time for Sunday church service, right?
Yeah. Aren't you three days ahead of us?
We are. It's already Wednesday.
I know. It's the same to you guys for having me. Yeah, man.
And congratulations to you and your partners and the team and
obviously, here to help where we can and again, appreciate you
coming on.
Really, really appreciate coming on you guys. This has been an
amazing experience. And thank you for all that you do looking
forward to every episode. The lawyer would love to hear what
he has to say. It's usually from the other end only. So I'd love
to hear this Side A balanced opinion I think
I'm gonna get them on the show but we'll put them on a vocoder.
Oh, disguises voice
lawyer making making the show Yeah.
Would have been the shadow yeah put a light behind him if you're
using the camera.
Yes, yes, yes all that yes, absolutely. All right guys. It's
been amazing you guys
yeah thanks man. Good job for your first podcast interview
very very well done you have no problems at all. absolutely
appreciate it all right Dave guys hey bro Have a good weekend
and everybody in the chat room Thank you for listening. Thanks
for participating in the thanks for participating in the live
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