Oh, broadcasting 2.0 for July 22 2020 to Episode 94 We got our
bells out. Hello everybody, it's time once again for the official
board meeting of podcasting. 2.0 everything happening at podcast
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come up with on podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here
in the heart of the Texas Hill Country. And in Alabama ladies
you can meet him in person at Podcast Movement, my friend on
the other end. Mr. Dave Jones.
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sage.
I made two discoveries to musical discovery. Oh, on the
way home, you know, of course I do this on the way I do this. I
get off work on Fridays. And during during the summers, we're
off the rest of the day. We do have a summer we do. And then
the rest of the years. Do this on my lunch break. So right now,
on the way home from work. I was listening to some to some Steve
Perry. And that guy is Sammy Hagar voice is interesting. Or
Steve Perry are the exact same person.
I've met both of them. And I can assure you that in no way. Are
they the same person at all whatsoever.
retract this conspiracy theory.
No, I hear what you're saying. But no, no, Sammy Sammy was the
one that that egged me on to think about MTV. Oh, really?
Yeah. When he came to visit he was with Van Halen, then in
Holland. And you know, the Alex and Alex and Eddie are Dutch.
That's right. Yeah. Okay. I remember that. I remember when
they had short hair also, when they cut their hair really
short. Yeah. Yeah. That was
like that was towards the end, right? Yeah. Van Halen. Yeah.
And
so that's when they were on the show. And, and I had my glorious
blonde locks. And so we're doing the interview, and all of a
sudden Alex pulls out these big scissors. Like, come on curry.
We're making you join our club. Like, no.
Get away from me with him, but he pulled. So he pulled out the
Yeah. Exactly. An early version of running with scissors. Hey.
Yeah, that's the
the other musical discovery I made was that songs don't have
interludes anymore. interludes. Yeah, so like, you know, like a
good you have like, your verse, your intro, your verse, chorus
verse chorus, Brunello? Yes, the solo? Well, there's no if you
squeezed in the middle another there's another section is just
a musical interlude where it would just be they go into just
some different section and they just hang out there for 30
seconds or a minute and just do something different and then
they go back into the song like that doesn't happen and you
know,
well, that's because tick tock owns the music business. You got
to get your hook out within 20 seconds. And then maybe, maybe,
maybe it'll catch
but that's how and if you're if you're an artist, and you don't
pimp yourself and your song on Tik Tok they fired you.
And you pretty much every record companies, no matter how big the
artists you gotta get on Tik Tok. Oh, that's there's there's
huge scams going on. I think there's placement, the there's
payment for placement, the algos, I'm sure are being
manipulated for pay. I mean, this is a lot going on over
there. It's such a black box. Not a black box is value for
value. And I don't know something it feels to me like
something tip. Something that you know, we went over some kind
of, well, let me say a tipping point. She's just she just
started taking off. I mean, Todd Cochran, two shows in a row is
just Mr. Booster grab, which is called them Todd booster. Graham
Cochran from now on.
TBC it is.
I mean, I hear this, but I just wonder what happened. It's like
all of a sudden, maybe it's because he had the experience.
He got his umbrella up and running and you start seeing
SATs come in. Is that Is that what it is?
I don't know. Maybe or maybe he just rediscovered? He said
somebody started getting him to listen to the show again. Oh,
right. He had taken a good taking a break from from
podcasting. 2.0 which is not allowed.
No, I mean, I mean, that's against company policy. Yeah, he
can
be on the board. If he knows you have to the board meeting,
please. Or at least you know, this is like the notes. If you
can't listen live, you can't attend the meeting. Then at
least you get the board notes.
The minutes, the minutes
that thank you So that's the word I was looking for the
minutes. Let's write those up every week. You can't just oh
that's interesting. So well then must have been listening to us
doing everything lit where he felt the excitement you hear
that your everyone heard a couple of cues coming already.
It's an incredible motivator is his value for value thing. It's
it and Cridland has not stopped doing booster Graham corner. And
I mean, it's this is now just a de facto way of talking back to
shows. It's really nice.
And we found out yesterday.
Yeah. You didn't know about this. You hadn't gotten a secret
little tip off? No,
no, I had no I had no clue. They. So I mean, the first thing
I heard of it was was Sam Seth, he's tweet about it on Twitter.
Tell us tell us what happened now. Well, I mean, if people
listen to pod Lando, they did an interview with with Morris from
Alby. And he revealed in there that rss.com is doing an
integration with Alby so you can launch a podcast or wallet
directly from their UI using our using lb. And they'll go ahead
and put the out put everything the value block straight in your
RSS feed. Oh, phenomenal. I mean, I had no idea and I pinged
Alberto I was like, Wow, that's amazing. Congrats. That's,
that's incredible. In
there to play it off. Like, yeah, you know, we just we just
met cool, what do you say?
No, he sent me back a screenshot of of their unreleased, you
know, the way it's gonna look, he's like, here's the, here's
the top secret, tentative screenshot of the way the UI
looks, looks great. It looks fine. It looks just like you
would think it would be where you do an integration. Now, you
know, like, you could do it one of two ways. And I've had
discussions with hosts before about this, you can do an you
could do like an integration types style thing where you, you
kind of hook out to another service and launch a wallet and
then get the get the details and then go and put those in the
feed and right but then, but then the knowing that the user
is going to need to go manage their wallet, everything from
that other side or that other service. It's like we're, we're
helping you recruit we're facilitating the creation of
anatomy wallet for you and going ahead and in referencing it in
the feed, and sort of like
wallet management is still done with Alby I mean all of that
separate right
that's my understand that makes my understanding is right now
unless the endless not right, but man
Hagen Can I just say God bless the Germans. The Hallo,
Deutschland. Here's the half. Man. This is so cool, man. Those
guys got got balls of steel over there.
Yeah, we got. We got Michael. coming on in August coming on
and then Oh, yeah. Couple weeks. Yeah. Okay him about all the
deets.
So if Oh, please. DT. What? So when does this launch she knows
this close to launch must be announcing it. She's talking
about it.
I think it's Monday. That was my that was my read Holy crap.
What a game changer. You know, this is this is I feel this,
like, I had this wave kind of like, oh, this is so good.
Because here you have this hosting industry, which also by
itself has been a little bit stagnant over the past 10 years,
for obvious reasons, the holy everything, the whole space, the
space was constricted man. By by our own brains. It's going to
create new competition. You know, I hear Todd talking about
and not just the wallets, but the whole namespace. I hear Todd
talking to his development team saying, Hey, guys, you got to
look at some more of this namespace stuff. You get to
Buzzsprout of course, is is a head with, with a lot of
implementation of a lot of tags. I mean, this is I mean, this 58
apps and services. It's almost like 32 flavors.
Well, I heard him talking about on I was listening to buzz casts
on the way in this morning to the office and they were talking
about it when they were talking about the LIVE TAG and you know,
like what, you know, what can we do with live how, you know, I
think the live stuff has really, that may be part of the newfound
sort of fervor for all of this.
I completely agree because it's exciting. Yes, it is. Hit me
with a boost of ground people give me a pew pew I need to hit
a dopamine hit. I'm having withdrawals.
The the live stuff just gets you. It gets you go from a
podcast that so this excitement is coming from? It's coming from
the podcasting side from the from the podcast creation side.
And in hosting side it's called
adoption. Adoption. Yes, yes. Yes.
It happens right after innovation and a does. So but
then Thanks, Joe, the podcasters get excited about, about doing
these things like live where it says something new and fresh and
in cool in a way that you know that you're there's an audience
that's on the other end of it getting notified. And you're all
going to read there.
And you know what, I think maybe since we're this deep into the
into into this topic, maybe we should bring in our guest board
member, since, you know, he's also experiencing the joy of
value for value as we speak. Yeah, sure. Was it too early or
do you want to sit with me for now?
It's never too early to me. He's finished. He's already had a
pattern donut.
Please welcome into the boardroom. You know him as the
co host of Linux unplugged. I don't know if he owns started up
whatever he did with Jupiter broadcasting, but we'll hear all
about it. A good pod friend of the board meeting, please say
hello to Chris Fisher.
Hello, gentlemen. Boy, it's so nice in here. It was virtual. It
can be as nice as you want it and I didn't know we are giving
out hugs. i Oh,
yeah. To the right. Oh, we listen, we have a motion of
positivity on the table. This started last week. So we
continue to hand out hugs. Chris, I'm sorry to my intro
sucked. Really? Tell me exactly what you do. Tell us about
Jupiter broadcasting and the podcast you're doing.
I mean, you kind of got the the important bits. Yeah, Jupiter
broadcasting is a podcast network. If you'll allow the
term, it's a rough sense. It's really me and a small team. And
we focus on Linux, open source, self hosting and development.
That's really kind of our core Nish over there. And you're
right. Linux unplugged is really the show most people know us for
it's the largest Linux podcast out there. We've been going for
like nearly eight years. And we have you know, just sort of in
the last, probably starting in January went really kind of big
on trying to get as much trying to get as many features of
podcasting to Dotto supported with our podcasts as we can as
fast as possible. And, you know, for me, the real kind of I mean,
you guys were on my radar, the moment apple and Spotify
started, you know, kind of showing their intentions with
podcasting. But what really clicked for me as a podcaster.
And I think you guys were just touching on this, it was heli
pad. That was the breakthrough, right? It was it was a new way
to get input to get feedback from the audience in a in a
system that I think is superior to email, for a lot of reasons.
That's, that's, well, while you jumped over a whole lot there.
Just before we dive into that, when you say Podcast Network,
I'm always intrigued. I think, you know, the reasons why is
this a financial Podcast Network? Is it just a shared
resource? Or not just a is it a shared resources? Podcast
Network? What is the structure? And what is the intent of it
being a network?
We had a name for it, right? Because it's, you know, there's
an LLC behind it to do like, all the businesses stuff. And then
we share resources in the sense that I'm on all of the shows.
Oh, your shared resource, okay. Can they book you on a calendar?
Or how does that like a conference room?
I pretty much, you know, the main host of all the shows, or
the co host in some cases, and then we share editing resources,
financial resources, you know, maybe you know, sponsor deals
stuff like that network in the sense that there are a handful
of shows that are just really my shows that are focused on a core
topic and
is the main has the main revenue driver been donations, ad sales.
Anything else? Nope, no, no motor? You have an LLC, so I
presume there's profit motive?
Yeah, it's been I'd say it's been a mix over the years of
donations and advertising. We don't do like a lot of ads. So
we kind of have maybe one or two sponsors, and then the rest
would be memberships or booths.
Okay, so yeah, big, big sponsors. Like, what's the
hosting company? Linode Linode. Yeah, I should know that. Okay,
so they're like a main sponsor, and they sponsor across the
whole network. Is that how it works? Yeah. Okay.
Yeah, for the most part.
Okay. Well, good, then you're exactly the right board member
to have with us today because we're gonna slam advertising and
we're gonna we're gonna up the value for value.
You know, I actually you'll find me frequently doing it to office
hours. I just went on a rant about it. So
and I will say that because I listened to Linux unplugged I
love the show. I've boosted it always stream my SATs. I don't
mind ads in context of the show. Right? When when you do when you
break away for Linode now, it's, it's not even. I'm not in the
market. I'm a Linode customer already, but I'm not really in
the market for anything. But somehow it to me it's like
contents. I think the ads kind of change. You know, you make it
relevant to whatever may be going on with the show with that
moment. So those times I mean, that to me is relevant content
and it's not like I'm being tricked or anything. I don't
feel robbed of my time. So that kind of hybrid model Like,
that's kind of what we're trying to go for is that donations
through booths or the memberships give us kind of I
mean, I've been doing this for a long time. So I would always try
to do whatever's right by the audience, because I know long
term, that's what matters. But it also just feels good to make
it work from a business standpoint. So the primary
revenue comes from the memberships and the boosts,
which gives us the flexibility to say no to the scam email, I'm
sure you guys see these two, these emails that come in all
the time. It's ridiculous, right? So we get to say no. And
then I, you know, Linode makes a lot of sense, because it's a
Linux podcast, and they're a Linux hosting provider, right?
So we get to say yes to that kind of stuff. And then, because
it is such a good match Linode is in their second year of
sponsorship, and they're they're still very happy, because we did
make that content match works, as well as it does.
I think I think the thing that is different about a show like
yours, and I would put, I think I would put accidental tech in
there. There's a there's a few shows like yours, where the with
their host read ads, and they're well done. And they're
reasonable links. Now, you know, when it comes to probably, what
I consider the master of the host read ad is probably Leo
Laporte, I mean, the guy just, you know, he can just do it for,
I don't know how he's so good at it. But that the problem with
those shows, though, is they the reads are so long, I mean, you
feel like you're just it loses your you loses you it loses the
audience, I think that that on your shows, Chris, you do a
really good job of keeping them short. And to the point where it
does feel like content, it doesn't feel like it doesn't so
much feel like an ad, really,
I'll take the compliment, but I think it is a tight line. That
is until you figure out that the business needs to be oriented
towards the audience. And the audience needs to be the biggest
customer, which took me years to figure out, it's not just
obvious for everybody, maybe it is for some people, but that's
where I feel like the booths give that baseline to every
podcaster possibly where the audience is the most important
customer from a business standpoint, and from a creative
standpoint. So both things are in alignment.
Give me so if you wouldn't mind going back and how you I first
started hearing about podcasting 2.0 Or I don't know if it was
value for value that brought you in or the you know, the project
in general, and how it's been how you introduced it and how
you're implementing it. And do you have a Lamborghini yet?
For all the Bitcoin Yeah, yeah. You know, I think honestly, I,
I'm almost likely, I've heard it from you on the show. But it
really came on my radar because I just have just, my lizard
brain got all worked up when I saw apple and Spotify playing
their hands. And I realized, we are way behind. We don't have a
decentralized index. We don't we don't have anything independent
even of these major companies. And we have been legging in any
real feature development for so long. And this was the thing I
realized I've been doing. And we all do it because we haven't had
any other option is I've been sending my listeners to
different various websites for years to consume, like a live
stream or to get show notes or to get chapters, it's so dumb to
be sending them outside of the podcast app. It's short sighted.
And so when I saw the podcast index, and I saw the namespace
stuff, I thought, Okay, this makes a lot of sense. And I
became kind of loosely interested in thought, okay,
right on, I mentioned it on there a few times because I
thought this was a great idea. And I was grateful that you guys
were out here fighting the good fight. But what I realized a
little bit later on was well, I mean, to be really frank with
you guys, podcasting to Dotto support can be a competitive
advantage for my podcast, I can offer features that other folks
in the space can't offer, right? I think chapters I think
transcripts, booths, all that are features that we should have
had for a long time, and I want my podcasts to have them first
as fast as I can. And I think I have a savvy audience that wants
that kind of stuff, too. So that's an element of it. And
then like I said earlier, when heli pad came in, and from a
podcast or workflow standpoint, like how I produce my shows,
heli pad offers me a better feature set than email does
port, you know, Twitter, DMS, or whatever.
Pew pew pew pew
heli pad brought it all together for me. And it was like, Oh,
crap. Plus, also, I'm just a big fan of sound money. So when I
realized it was using the Lightning Network, I was all in.
Yeah, yeah, that so I've got there. I got a lot of stuff too,
that I had jotted down to talk to you about some of it specific
to you and some of it about just what you were talking about a
while ago with feature feature development and that kind of
thing. So but I think what I want to start with is you do
live shows. And so how are you going to do anything with the
live item tag? Is that in your on your roadmap at Oh,
yeah. Are we have I think this is going to come up later too.
But I think our biggest barrier there is that we're not
generating our RSS feeds ourselves right now. But I am
getting peer tube established. I'm getting all of that plumbing
ready. So when we do have that capability, it can just kind of
get all connected.
What host are you using right now? Is it farside? Correct?
Yes. Perfect. Okay, because we can, you know, we know Dan
really
put a gun to Dan's head and say, Dude, put this tag Now, Dan.
Yeah, I gave you my car. Dan. Now, please.
Yeah, well, we need to tell Dan is that Adam still has the car
registered on the Mercedes app on his phone, and he could shut
it down at any moment.
Any minute. That's right. I can track him. And really, Dan, you
went there. Okay.
Yeah, I would love to see also the ability in fireside to
individually edit the value items. So that way when I have a
guest on I couldn't include them in the split and stuff like
that. And so those lacks the lacks the lacking I don't I'm
trying to be nice, because I really liked Dan, too. And I
actually really liked FIRESIGN I think it is a good deal. But it
just I feel like those features not being on fireside have held
us back exactly. Talking about you in our RSS setup.
This is good. This is not holding back. I mean, everyone's
busy. Of course, everyone has their own development timeline.
But I think what rss.com Did that just kicked competition in
the hosting space into high gear. I mean, everyone's gonna
see it like, oh, shit, well, okay. Well, we got to have
because it's, this is just how it works. I mean, you can see
the pattern. It's like, oh, something's trending. What is
it? Oh, these guys are doing that. Okay, what can we do? I
think it's all it's, it's going to be very exciting. And
frankly, I can't wait for the first hosting company to come
and say, Hey, here's some tags we've been thinking of.
Yeah, interesting. Interesting. Yeah, I think we're on we're
really on the razor edge of just kind of building that
infrastructure ourselves. And the the part that makes me a
little sad about that is once we're generating our own RSS
feeds, and we're also moving on to generating our own website,
because we need we need a page that shows all of our shows
together. I'm really only then using fireside as a CDN, and
that doesn't seem like a great value to them. And yeah, it's
just not a good spot.
That's when you get on IPFS podcasting, it's all free.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. IPFS we get off camera and on by the way, do
much with IPFS. Chris,
Lord, I hate to say I played with it, and I wasn't super
impressed yet. I see. That's
where I'm at to get like, we've, me and Adam. They're trying to
do IPs for so many years. And it's just like, it just always
it's like 90% reliable, but that 10 That last 10% is just so
frustrating
boots on the ground update. Since I've, I have installed
IPFS podcasting on my Umbral I am pinning and doing all this
stuff. For all of my shows, no agenda, it has a lot of a lot of
pins and a lot of cached episodes. I have not used it in
in any enclosure URL to date. But exactly what you say Dave,
then all of a sudden click something happens and I get an
email and that is kind of cool because the emails automated and
says Hey, your node hasn't done anything in two weeks. You gotta
go kick it and that's the problem is what are what what am
I kicking and why? Why is it doing?
What I kicked the dog it was I did see that's the thing that I
get when when we first started distributing the podcast index
database on a weekly basis. With the first way we did that was
through IPFS it's like okay, we're gonna make this thing
decentralized. Am I right? Yeah. And we're gonna go straight to
IPFS
Wow, DD is what are you what's wrong with you where you've been
hanging out
Tik Tok. The the, but then, so I have a, I had to write a neck
necromancer script that would just watch IPFS all day long in
and bounce it every time it fails. And so that's what was
happening. It would just stop responding, and I would bounce
it or it would crash and I would have to restart it. So I get an
email and at least four or five times a week at BFS and Damon
has to be restarted for some reason. I just can't I can't
that's not that's not enough. That's not good enough. No,
yeah. Yeah. And am I testing the way to really improve the
reliability involves centralizing it through
Cloudflare and then at that point HTTP and I'm not a big fan
of the filecoin shenanigans either. I gotta be honest, I
don't like that. Yeah, but
that's completely separate. You don't have to integrate that and
I don't I think their motives are pure. But there are others
guys but there's there are some people out there who have
different ideas. Alright, just with the with the with the coin
aspects. I don't know. I mean, that old coin seem to have
fallen out of favor at the moment. Ain't no wonder Oh
yeah, I guess I'm just wanting to get a Linux unplugged or and
I'm just wanting to get those live notifications on my phone.
Yeah, it really would be that that is one of the things I want
the most, I think that's such a great idea. And that's when I
was talking about how I feel sort of silly for sending people
outside the podcast app for so many years to watch the live
stream. And it just makes so much sense because they're my
subscribers, they're already subscribed to my podcast. So
it's gonna get, it's gonna get in front of a lot more people.
And you'll look at the way that these apps are doing it. It's
not really obnoxious, they're doing it in a really tasteful
way that makes it clear, this is a live show. I could see me
messing up and not remembering to pull the live item tag and
stuff like that. So I'm wondering about how I'm going to
build process around that just so I don't embarrass myself a
bunch of
times. Oh, dude, wait, wait until you leave the stream on it
or just chatting after the show for an hour. I mean, that's,
that's my favorite. I've done that.
I don't actually know if this is true. But I have been told by
multiple audience members that I left the stream going well, my
wife at the time was having our third child at home.
And no one recorded it.
I don't know, it may be out it was years ago,
there's at least three, three scripts that run out in the
space somewhere. And the minute I fire up the live stream, they
start recording, and then I have these emails, I can send an
email, and then it'll send me a link to the recording in case my
own recording screws up. Yeah, there's all kinds of cool.
That's value for value, man. That's how it works. Yeah. So
just about the mix, if you don't mind, because we have some
advertising stuff to talk about. You don't do any network ads. I
mean, you know, like, do you work with ad networks? Is it
really with companies individually?
Yeah, I just go direct with the company. Okay. You know, I just
do sales myself.
Okay, and you do sales for the whole network? Yes. Well,
yeah. I mean, I'm on the shows for the most part. So it just
seemed it just got off and I do the reads.
But it's so interesting, because as we see value for value moving
in one direction, and I think ads are becoming more of a
problem, there's certainly going to be less, less demand in for
the next foreseeable time. That's just what happens in in a
down market. And I know that this is not just from numbers
that float up on CNBC. You know, it's like my stepdaughter, your
entire department in a marketing company was let go, she's the
only one left was like, Yeah, that's a promotion. Trust me.
Oh, yeah. I mean, it's yesterday. Now this is of course
from CNBC. But snap is seen as a bellwether for online
advertising, and they had a horrible quarter, and you know,
their stock is down 38% Or something today, and that
affects everybody. And it's true, it's just there's less
money being spent, you see it everywhere on in the marketing
and advertising business. So while this is taking place, we
have Netflix who are pure streaming, and you know, pay
your pay your one time fee, which they've Of course, raised
several times. And they're now looking at, at probably at best
a hybrid model of a lower per month fee, and you get some ads.
And in the midst of all this, I heard a really interesting
statistic, which is the amount of money each, the average
Netflix customer is spending per minute. They watched Netflix.
And this was a and what do you think it is that you know, for
whatever you pay? What is it these days? 15 bucks, 17? I have
no idea. You pay that per month, and you consume an X amount of
time of content in time. What do you think it is per minute that
That breaks down to if you if you divide your streaming
minutes by your monthly spend?
Oh, man, I'm gonna say I'm gonna say faster. 10 cents a minute.
Okay. Oh,
Chris, because the tricky thing here right is some of these
Netflix subscribers are kind of degenerates, they just binge
this stuff. So they could be watching hours and hours and
hours at a time, which would lower the overall average. So
I'm gonna say I'm gonna go crazy, and I'm gonna go 99 cents
a minute.
All right, everybody, please booster Graham, your guesses?
And I'll give the solution a little bit later on.
Price this price is right rules are we going for
$1 $1? One half of a penny. Whoa, for the penny and one half
of a penny. Now if you and so that's what people want to watch
because they're watching it.
That's that's permitted. That's permitted permitted. Okay. So
that
would be the same as 20 sets per minute.
Well, that's almost what, what the default is
exactly. So But what's interesting is People send 10
times as much in value for value 10 times. So I just can't make
Netflix's numbers work, you know, and then they can either
then, you know, they're a debt based company, they've never
been profitable. Spotify is in the same boat. But when it
breaks down to numbers like that we're seeing a real market that
we've created that is more profitable is more fun, and does
not come with interruptive ads or doesn't have to. It's fine.
And then and then there's this big Well, big. There's a paper
that went out 20 page 18 pages from the IAB labs, labs. It's
from the lab. I didn't know they had a lab. Yeah, I immediately I
see guys with lab coats in my head from the legs. Exactly. And
I read it. I read this paper, because I heard a lot of
different people talking about it. And and did you guys read
it? Do you know what this is about?
I read the first three pages. Yeah. Oh.
So the Add issue is it's really one thing Apple has, has an A
private VPN service that they have enabled for Safari that you
can enable for Safari, which cloaks you which means IP
address and geolocation, a whole bunch of other things are no
longer available through neurotypical web detection
technologies, HTTP type stuff. So the log files won't be
complete. And it doesn't affect their podcast app at the moment.
But the fear is, they would turn that on across the entire TCP IP
stack. And it would, you know, it would also hide IP addresses
for apps, which would mean, the way I read it, the podcast
industry would collapse. Done. If would collapse. And it's sad
to see that once again, Q and this is a pretty big group. And
there's some bigger names in there than in the past when it
just came to lobbying Apple to do stuff. But they're, it's the
same thing. I'm seeing a repeat, let's get together. Let's put a
paper together. Let's, let's have some meetings, let's work
on a document. And without even I mean yet kind of asked at the
end, say Happy Apple, could you please come to the table. This
is a failed strategy. We know this won't work. Now Apple may
never change it, but just look at your business. This is and
look at your business and tell me that this is not incredibly
risky, incredibly risky, Apple could just wake up and just have
a different CEO or whatever and decide mas Screw it. And we're
just we're only going to promote subscription based stuff or
whatever they whatever they would want to do Spotify, I
think, doesn't care at all. To me, if it's more advantageous to
them, though, they'll, you know, they don't care. I mean, I think
Spotify is happy, they they know who their customers are. And
everybody else, you know, it seems like the and it's not just
about geolocation. It's about attribution. It's about knowing
who you are. And let's be honest about it. This is their
collecting data. This is what this is what a cast does. The a
cast is probably really smart to make that acquisition, because
now at least they have registered customers. And it's
not just some IP addresses that are out in space.
Yeah, I think I think a cast wants to be that I mentioned
this to you the other day, I think they want to be and this
is not meant as a, I don't mean this as a slam, but they want to
be the Spotify of RSS, of open RSS, they, they want to
essentially have the full stack, top to bottom. But but using
RSS, instead of going the siloed approach where we're This
modifies my, my opinion, I've been refining this opinion for a
while, you know, I said a while back that I anchor was going to
go away as a brand, I think what's ultimately going to
happen. And the more I think about it, I think Spotify is
just gonna get out of the pod quote unquote, podcasting game,
pretty much in June. And what I mean by that is, they may still
call them podcasts. But what they're gonna have is they're
just going to have exclusive shows. And they're not going to
be RSS involved around it. So they're just going to have this
essentially this private internal stuff they're going to
they're going to own megaphone and these other voices on the
side, so they can capture some of this revenue coming out of
successful podcast shows as far as advertising revenue goes. But
I think that a cast, so I kind of think in in five years,
Spotify is going to be sort of a non entity when it comes to
Podcast, the podcast industry as a whole may eat those words. But
that's that's
my I don't see how they can last five years without raising more
money. And a cast is also one of these baffling companies. They
had 100 and I think they've raised $130 million. Okay, it's
respectable, you know, over several rounds. They spent
clearly spent some of that We don't know if was cash or in
stock on? What's the name of the company that bought? Purchased
pod chaser? I don't know if they've done other acquisitions,
but now they had what they call a listening app. And that was
only the beginning of the year. And then there's Oh, no, we're
shutting that down. And it's all free. It's all for the best.
Well, I guess no one cared about the app. And then they do. And
now they're an ad based company, they bought a, a database so
that they can know more about podcast listeners to target ads
better. And you know, we're serving the open ecosystem, but
we've changed our app to a cast plus, and you can turn off the
ads and just have your listeners subscribe and pay you directly.
So it's the
full span. That's the full stack Spotify model. Yeah, but you but
I built an RSS, but that
means that you're that you don't have a lot of confidence in your
advertising model, because you need the inventory. Yeah, and if
your inventory keeps going away, because the going private and by
subscription, I just that's to me is baffling.
Yeah, they're, they're, they're killing one one part of the
business to grow another part of the business that they hope will
be a reoccurring revenue, it must be the math that they're
doing. It seems like any of these ad deals at massive scale
are going to be the absolutely devastated in any kind of
economic drawdown you know, if we have a recession here in the
States, or a recession in the around the world, these kinds of
bulk ad deals where they sell a bunch at once and they do them
across multiple shows, these are the first to die. These are what
they sell for dynamic insertions to write.
Dynamic and search and CP, everybody's this is like ad
talk, we
never do know, it's important to do it once in a while. The dai
stuff that dynamic ad insertion CPMs have come have come up in
recent in recent times, and gotten gotten a little bit
higher. Heard TOS say that they're like half of what a what
a host read read is, which is not great. But I mean, as far as
its historical value is bigger. So kind of get everybody
excited, oh, maybe dominant MC ads can work. But in a, in a
downturn where advertising suffers, the dynamic stuff is
going to take a hit immediately. I mean, like this stuff is gonna
go right back down.
And right now they have 47,000 creators, as they call it, which
includes the BBC, so I guess they don't own at least all of
them. And, you know, because they have to approve them, the
whole website for a cast is all about brand safety, etc, etc,
managing your expectations as an advertiser. So that's very
difficult. And so you know, that is just a fraction of the this
is not going to be for every podcast to make money. And what
what I found kind of weak in general and me that took them 18
pages to say Apple, could you please talk to us because we got
a problem. That's really what they were saying Apple we have a
real problem here and and just let us know, are you going to
screw us give us a timeline, we need to know we've got to fix
stuff. And it will take that before someone actually does
something not dissimilar to podcasting. 2.0. So they throw
in like, well, this will yield less content will be created.
This is bad for diversity in podcasting. At that point, my
head goes down. I'm like, come on. Podcasting is one of the
most diverse mediums you can ever imagine. So don't do that.
Just the problem is Apple just needs to help them out. Now.
This this problem, by the way was solved. You Alex gates and I
think Cridland Dave, you guys came up with a whole schema for
this that solve this very problem.
Are you are you Timothy? Uli, do
you lie? Yeah,
that was dos. Dan, me and Dan Ben.
Oh, Dan Benjamin, I'm
sorry. Yeah. And I put that out there because not because it's
sour grapes or anything like that. I don't really care about
this. But I mean, the, but it is it is a point to make where
there are I mean, this was talked about this is not I mean,
we this was talked about before Brian Barletta joined the join
the IB group. And he went in there with the intent to talk
about this problem. And that was literally like a year ago that
was last year's Podcast Movement that we that man Dan did this
right. And and then it has taken a year just to get it. I'm going
to use this to lead into something if I can. It took a
year evidently for the IB to just produce a paper saying that
there's a problem. Like, yes. In what I'm leading into, is this
is the problem with standards bodies and working groups. So
and I heard I heard Todd on. This is going to be important. I
want your input on this. Chris, the our Tod on their own new
media show talking about he said you know the pocket podcasting
2.0 Folks, they need to, you know, start to develop this into
a group and do all these kinds of things. And my first reaction
was no No, no. Because here's the standards bodies and working
groups, they, they lead to the type of stagnation like this
that we see. Here, here's the here's the thing, we are guided
by the rules for standards makers always have been. Rule
number one is interop is all that matters. That's, that's the
guiding principle of everything in podcasting. 2.0. And in my
opinion, should be the guiding principle and all open source
projects. But we, we don't build in to flesh that out, we don't
build new base protocols. So if you have a base protocol that
you need to build something like HTML, or something like that, I
can, I can understand a W three C type organization. But for our
type of setup, where we're not building necessarily base
protocols, we're building glue protocols, and interrupt specs
to attach to existing specs and protocols out there. So we're
taking RSS and attaching it to activity pub, taking RSS and
attaching it to lightning, taking RSS and attaching it to
blockchains and pod pain, when we were doing then we can move
fast. And we don't have to have a huge cumbersome working group.
Because the failure, the any failures, quote, unquote, that
we could experience are not there. There, there's a limited
blast radius there because this is just glue, we can we can
resolve the spec as a as as an enhancement. So the any anything
like Do you Do you agree with that? And, Chris, I mean,
because I think that I think some stay in the Linux world a
lot. There's people are taking distros and then adding stuff to
it, and they can move so fast.
You said something in there, that stuck with me because i i
And I think I just realized I see it more as an open source
project. It's not like a one to one because it's it's more about
creating standards and ways of doing things. But if you look at
it from a community organizing standpoint it very much is
because you have developers in the podcast apps that need to
adopt new things that are being created. And you need consensus
in that community, which this podcast helps drive consensus in
a community that is developing open code and open standards. So
it's more of a project than it is a standard Well, there's,
there's something, there's a couple of things. And this is
probably by far the most rewarding, most fun, most
successful project or company I've ever worked in, in my
entire career. And, of course, it's a complete 100% vow of
poverty. But that, but that is a key and critical factor. And the
project is open. I mean, the fact that most of the code is
open source is goes along with that, but it's open. And it
really is value for value. Because we started off by
saying, here's the value we're putting in, we're going to do
this, and we're going to use these tools for everybody to
collaborate. And so while GitHub is, is a must for code
development, having the Macedon server, open it up to all, dare
I say stakeholders, so that podcasters listeners,
developers, interested just people who are interested, can
just drop by throw out an idea, have a conversation, argue a
point, whatever it is, but the continual reminder is nothing
works if we don't all put in the work. And that's that really is
value for value. And somehow that seeped into this project in
such an enormous way. With I will say, my sincere
appreciation to the many no agenda nation people who just
seem to be willing to risk their risk anything for any
embarrassment doesn't matter to them. You know, look, look at
you know, just just look at some of the some of the podcasters,
who would just you know, the running with scissors fits
perfectly. So Biden by not having a an organization a
structure. We still have leadership Dave is is complete
code leadership, but he's also the kind of person who empowers
lots of other people. And that combination of letting people
just go, you know, here's some, here's our constitution rules
for standards maker, makers. And now don't be a dick. And then
that kind of works. That's the charter. Yeah, it is. It truly
is, you know, run with scissors. You know, if you get scraped,
we'll all know we'll all patch up together, you know, put a
bandaid on it give you a kiss and a hug. And then we move on.
I mean, we laugh, right. But, Dave, you mean you and I have
not conspired? It was I mean I think about this a lot all well
I would say that the the reason why all this works when you
bring it together is because of the podcast the podcast the
board meeting that's really where everything that comes
together we everyone you know you can get your hour and a half
update once a week you know for some people high ROI it's a
lifestyle roi i think Roy goes to sleep listening to us.
Oh, okay. That's why he couldn't that's why he said but yes, he
couldn't sleep he
couldn't sleep when when we missed the show. He's it's very
disruptive. It's a good night's sleep tonight. And so although
all those things together show you the power and look at what
what has been achieved in just two years, from from an idea to
a major hosting company incorporating wallets to there
being multiple wallet providers to you know, all of the tags
that all the different hosting companies have have put into the
services the apps I mean, this is this is not just a small
little thing this is an unstoppable train. I've seen
this before it was called podcasting.
The here's so here's my with that as the as the framework.
Here is my proposal so to speak. The pregnant pause in the pew is
just
your professional podcast or you felt a common you let it go
beautiful.
I did the I want to propose that we do something called the
podcast improvement proposal system. This is this is why do
you grow? Because this grown? You're gonna love it. You're
gonna love it.
I'll just tell you why I had the grown is because
I feel like I just kicked a leg out from under your chair and
you just run on the floor.
It first of all, what was the acronym? Is it Pip? Pip? Okay,
yeah, right off the bat. I got an any from that. But it's okay.
I can I can hold back on the PIP. It also kind of reminded me
of a blip, which is near what the Lightning Network proposal
or whatever, whatever those proposals are. So it was just it
was just a visceral reaction. It's my shit. It's my problem is
childhood trauma. I'm going to work on it.
No pizza or in the chest. Is this a podcast improvement
movement proposal as
we're talking I'm all in on this Dave do tell about the pimp
system.
Okay, I just I just renamed it officially. It's now we got a
trademark is called pimp.
Podcast. I'm writing it down. Improvement we're
meeting to make it to make this
podcast improvement movement. Was it podcast improvement
movement?
Point, let's just say podcast I'm proposing and moving
proposal or something like that? Yeah. Okay. Here's the and I'm
opening the floor for discussion. This is the the
idea. There is no working group. There is no standard bodies. And
thank god, there's not and we don't want any of that stuff.
The this because they all involve meetings and boring
things that makes us want to go to sleep. We want to change the
world without having any meetings. So yes.
Writing down one
meeting. Okay, so here's, here's what, this is not really
different than what it currently is. It's just a way to make it
make more sense to the outside world, because we got an issue
filed on the on the namespace repo, and somebody who is a
developer, and he said, You know, I really don't know how to
submit a proposal. Is there a template somewhere? Like, how do
I go about submitting a proposal for a namespace tag? In okay, I
thought, Okay. That's a problem because it's not just the
namespace. Podcasting. 2.0 is lots of different things,
podcasting, podcasting. 2.0 is ways to improve podcasting,
infrastructure and technology period. That could be namespace,
that could be anything. So I fill out what we need is a
website or some sort of interface to this says, where
you can file a proposal, you can submit a proposal, it gets
assigned a number, just like a GitHub repo issue. It gets
assigned a number. And then people, everybody knows that
this is the place to look at these proposals. And it can be
somebody somebody can come along and say, You know what? I wish
that, that there was a pot that podcast apps would do such and
such. That thing becomes a proposal. Everybody can see it
app developers can go and look at and say oh, that's Cool,
maybe I'll add that to my app. Or this isn't Oh, this is
probably a namespace tag. Let's Let's slide this over and make
it an official namespace.
A pimp, a pimp would be a template that you fill out when
the flow would be. So someone come in, say, Hey, I wish that
my podcast player could do this. And here's my thinking about it.
And then we can say, Oh, you need to file a pimp. He's filed
a pimp go over here and fill out the fields. Is that Is that what
I'm here?
There'll be a pimp Review Board? Oh, hell yeah.
Yes, we will review all pimp or pin tickets. And Pam ticketing
system. Yes, as MD, she says. And so like, you look, everybody
gets to look at a pin at the pump tickets. And then you fire
them off to whoever it makes sense like this is you could the
person doing the proposal can say this is an app. This is an
app proposal, or a host can say this is a this is a namespace
proposal, or somebody like Chris as a as a broadcaster can come
in and say, I wish that my host that hosting companies would do
such and such and that becomes a host proposal. So you didn't
then the respective parties involved. App developers hosting
companies, advertisers, whoever the hell it is, can come in
there and look at their, at the at the the they can they can
look at what the world is trying to tell them that they want it
specific to them, and then they can make decisions about oh,
this is okay. Evidently, these people want this. This is a
great idea. I can stick it in my app.
I like this idea. I like the idea of pimp slapping a bad
idea.
I just want to I just want somebody to propose something.
And so that I can call it like, refer to it as like pimp. 12 You
know, we're voting on today on on pin 33 As you want that I
want the satisfaction personally that
I like it, I think I think is great. Who's going to build it?
Someone will build this. Someone out there is going to build this
real quick. It seems simple. I mean, I could I could whip this
up, but I got some other stuff to do.
You could do it in rockin with headless
No, no, no, no, baby. No, no. Next dot j s, this is the shit
now. This is what I'm learning. Now. Next. Jas, this is what all
the cool is doing. I don't know Alex Gates told me that was a
better answer. I was like, react. And he's like, no, no,
man, I was using next.js. Okay, next job. Jas, just this is how
I used to do meetings with acronyms and we bullshit. That's
why like podcast, improving movement proposal. Yes, these
are very important.
I mean, I think this is I think this is a good substitute to it
solves problems and it formalizes the thing in a way
that the world understands that we still don't have to have
meetings.
I love that idea. Dave Jones, you're such a smart man.
I just shot my wad. I mean, I'm done. I'm done. Well, a
recent pimper That was implement, implement, implement,
implement, implemented, implemented. And thanks, this
commentary blogger for the transcript Download Now.
Available at podcasts. index.org.
Yes, that's pretty cool. It needs a viewer though of some
sort. Like, I
know, I hit it on my phone and my phone goes, No. Yes. You can
associate it with a text reader, I
think. Do you do you do transcripts on any of your
shows?
You guys got transcripts? I've seen him?
We've been playing with them for well, basically, since we
started trying to implement the podcasting to know features been
trying the different services, you know, going through the
different cloud one's been looking for an open source one,
so I don't have a good system yet. But yeah, I just feel like
if there's something out there, it's just a matter of technology
and finding the right one, so I feel like that's a solvable
problem.
Can I just read a couple of these booster grams because
people are responding to us in real time just so we do a few of
these Yeah. Freudian slips stick it up your app 2222 Thank you. I
thought it was relevant. Care Carolyn 1000 SATs these pimp
meetings get me so energized about podcasting telling is this
You name it right man and people will flock to it. Darren
Oh corner on the show.
There are no
corner. Yes.
Darren No. 54321 54,003 and 21 sads pain My Vague random
thoughts is my fully podcasting 2.0 enabled solo show oats and
add transcript. Oh no, he's it's a he's chest thumping. Oh 2.0
enabled transcripts chapter streaming SAS whatever other
magical things you come up with. My voice is even silkier. Then
Gregory William Forsyth formance JC says I'm diluted but I'm
pretty sure I'm just diluted Okay,
Darren heard that there were certain tags that Chris couldn't
implement so he just came by to kick right.
Go past the Go podcasting from Florida and slips. Let me see
pay tar This is when I want to mention 250,000 SATs.
God Almighty. You get Can you color and the meat? Yeah. And oh
man.
Well, I mean, we don't know if it's the baller of the show, but
of course, all right, we gotta roll it out. Oh man, Paola
booster gram reads Christmas unfiltered podcast is how I
found no agenda and no agendas how I found podcasting. 2.0 Love
and Light from Chris. Oh, love and light. Chris. He says Pay
tar. Yeah,
that's true for Alex gates, too.
I forgot about the unfiltered podcast. That was a good show.
It's just it seemed like a shitload of production work that
was impossible to keep up with. You know it, you know it. And
that's what John and I kept saying, like, this is a great
show. But man, the amount of editing they have to do is just
crazy. Oh,
no, I did a live it was just still a ton of work it well.
I thought you did a lot of that in post. Oh, that was all live
that impressive. Very impressive.
Still too much damn work, though. Yeah,
but it was. I enjoyed it. Because I said what clips did
they take from me? Let me go see. Which is why we publish
them by the way. This is we love that. It probably
didn't happen it may have had. But you know, I think I heard on
the show. You gave me a hard time for grabbing your bell but
I have about I've had a real pile right here for you. That's
legit. That's real. Everybody get your bows out.
I got a real Bell. Give me a break. I
was out bells out. Bells out. Hold on. Let me write that one
down. soundboard clip. It's
a real it's a real Bell man. She's Carolyn another. Missy
1111. Showing love to the LIVE TAG chata for the 1000 Blueberry
with 10,000 at some point in the future will be possible to send
a boost that will play the Theramin live for you. Oh, okay,
I guess like an important customization of helipad. Dave,
take note and you'll be able to customize the sound. Lehmann
creations 500 SATs for a selfie with Dave. No, thanks.
Appreciate it. Let's see what other booster grams 21 692 from
Steve B. Steven B. He says Fiat $5.05 bucks for a server. Thank
you. And those I think are the main ones. Yeah, that's what's
been coming in since we've been live. Thank you, everybody.
Appreciate that?
How's it going? Chris? With with within income from boot from
boost? Have you seen it? Is it rising? Is it stable? Is it like
how are you? How are you? How do you notice that going?
So I've been doing some experiments. I think when people
first get in, it tends to be a little low as they're trying to,
you know, just get a new understanding of what OSAT
equals and all of that. But a couple of the other things that
we've done to try to just not only encourage adoption, but get
people thinking about how much they're contributing, is for a
month. Last month, we were doing a split with open SATs, which
contributes 100% of the SATs that they received to their
general fund to free software projects. And so if you boost
and we gave a 15% split to open sets, and I think that helped,
you know, and we're doing it again, for one of our hosts
who's going to be doing some traveling on the road to get
down to our studio to do some projects. We're doing a split
with him for a bit and so the audience is contributing a
little bit more I think than they had in the past. I don't
know if I don't I don't think we're at the spot where we're
making probably as much as we do with the memberships. But it's
also I think early and I seem like I feel like we're getting
more and more adoption. I feel like we're getting more boost
into the show where we're starting to think now about you
know, do we maybe set 1000 set threshold to read a message
because there's just a lot to get to
this is success when you have to set a threshold that's a
beautiful moment. And don't be apprehensive because people will
understand and they will love you no matter what.
I hope so. Yeah, no, I want to read all of them. I really do
but it also could just go on forever if we did that
is the value shows the value for value model has a lot of
interesting things that I encourage everyone to play
around with. You know, literally we've done sad puppy on this
show and no agenda is done it you know, it's like hey, support
is down. Look at this picture of the sad puppy. That's also
braiding people works incredibly well. Make sure they troll you
with booster grams. I mean, these are all things you can
people will love it. It's the it's the wackiest thing I've
ever witnessed, and it never ceases to surprise me people
never cease to surprise me with their generosity. Their
genuineness it would those two go hand in hand with this
system.
Yeah, and I think there is kind of an appetite for But right now
you look at everything else that's in the media. Now many
people are genuine anymore. And there is a real trust there.
Because if if you're if you're if your model is value for
value, you know that the creators incentives are aligned
with what the audience's incentives are. And that is
something you can see you can trust. Maybe they make a
mistake. Maybe they say the wrong thing sometimes. But it's
not an intentional misdirection. It's not intentional
misinformation. Right. It just been a mistake. I think that's
super valuable right now. Yeah, totally agree.
Okay, switching gears, the social interact tag, do you? Do
you have any just formalized that this past week? And do you
have any personal desire to use that any of your stuff?
I mean, that would it is my best understanding is it creates like
a thread on Mastodon for people to do comments. And then those
are available about I don't understand much beyond that.
Yeah, so the social interact tag allows you to specify a, a route
post that exists somewhere on some sort of social network, or
sis, so you know, commenting system, and eventually in the
future, and it'll be it'll be expanded to handle things like
reviews and stuff like that. And in ratings and but me is really
a just a simplistic thing, where it's like, it specifies a URL,
which may go to an activity pub URL for an object protected
activity verb object, or a Twitter URL. This route is
intended to be the route of a discussion for that episode. So
then, if the podcast app speaks activity, pub, or speaks Twitter
or speaks whatever, then it can interact directly with the
thread and allow posting and reading from directly in the
app. So the reason I bring it up is this is, of course, it just
got formalized. But hosting companies, I think, don't have
hosting companies and apps. I don't think they realize that
they can do this right now, with activity pub. In a way that is
pretty simple. Because you got you there's two in the office to
facilitate that you have John Spurlock has two things that he
did, he really took the social interact, tag in himself, and
started building software to make it happen. So he, I want to
I want to talk about two things, podcast social.org. That's an
API, that you can use his system to just auto create a route
post, in an activity post route post. And then you can include
that in an automated fashion into your social interact tag,
then stuff can just the conversation can live there. And
all and with ditch that one API call you've, you've created a
place where activity pub comments can live for this
episode. Then the flip side of that is the app side. And he's
got to reply, he's got a repo called thread cap, and thread
cash, just a JavaScript module that allows you to hook into
that route post, give it the route post URL, or the route
object, and it will pull in the entire thread of comments. So
there's two ready to go. code bases one, one, a service and
API and the other one, a drop in JavaScript code that can give
you either side of that that you're looking for. So I think
that the reason I bring this up is because yes, Twitter is he is
fine. And people know how to use the Twitter API and that kind of
thing. But I would really love to see people not use Twitter. I
mean, these these activity, you know, activity Pub is there.
It's, it's got wide adoption. It's, it's the open source all,
you know, way to go. And I really rather people see people
incorporate the activity pub side of things.
Yeah, that's interesting, because I know peer tube speaks
activity pub. So then I started thinking, Could we make the
comments on the live stream feed that we had published? Could we
make the comments on that video? The central point of discussion
so we just funnel everybody to one point. So if they watch the
live stream, and they leave a comment, or if they're listening
to their podcast app, and they leave a comment, it's all on
peer to be activity pub that icon
Yeah, totally. Yeah, totally. Yeah, cuz we do that already.
Like I did some live coding last night on on no agenda tube that
Alex runs and SSH I have a live stream there. If as sometimes
I'll just fire that up and I was working on helipad last night
live and the detect the comments and stuff they go on. If you
post there. Yeah, it's full activity public can go you can
see that on podcast index dot social.
Yeah, that could be really cool. Yeah, I wouldn't have I would
definitely use that if I could make that which,
which apps? As anyone implemented this, that I mean,
fully on this the reading side, I know pod verse shows them to
you, but can you interact yet with it? Does anyone implemented
that? I don't? I don't think
so. Anybody has implemented writing, writing with that, I
think, well, you know, pot friend may have that I don't
remember specifically. I'm not sure. But that this is a place
where we're a host, we're a host could pick this up and have a
big win right away. And they could just, you know, because
because the, from the app side, at least reading the comments
is, I mean, that's a drop in it's just John's Birla has
already done all the hard work.
I mean, the hostess hosting company could set it up so that
its activity pub, and that the thread is then displayed on the
podcasters website. So at least there's you know, a function for
it if someone doesn't have a podcast and 2.0 app yet. Yeah,
that's a good point. Sure. Yeah, yeah, that's usually my
trickiest thing. I mean, I guys I know you guys know this. The
matric is all of this is user adoption because 30% of my
audience is on antenna pod and other good chunk are on overcast
and Apple podcasts and and then it's there's a long tail, a lot
of fountain these days. But you know, it's that's the tricky
thing, too. So something on the web would really be key.
So what are those stats? Again, Krista, it's so what are most
your your users using? antenuptial?
I don't remember the numbers. Exactly. But in 10 pods,
actually the largest and then it's followed pretty closely by
overcast and the other kind of big podcast players and Apple
podcasts. And then you got fountain in there. And then you
got Spotify on the on the long tail. Okay.
Because antenna pod is really, you know, they're there. They
just put in podcasting to put our chapter. Yeah. And I think I
think the social interact tag, especially in the activity pub
side, I feel like that would be a really good fit for their
project. I think they would want to support that since it's all
open. Yeah, I could I could be wrong, but I feel like that's
right in their wheelhouse. Do y'all do live video at all? Or
do you do any video,
we've just been getting back into live video, thanks to you
guys, really, because I was big into peer tube about two years
ago, but it just wasn't there for me yet. And then when I
heard that you guys were using peer tube and I saw Alex was
working on the NA two, I thought, Alright, I'll do this
again. I'll get the plumbing ready, so that we can do the lit
tag, we'll be good to go. And so I got to kind of put cameras
back in the studio. And I started doing video again, just
kind of recently, just sort of a behind the scenes thing. Audio
is really the focus still.
Oh, like a Twitch stream or something is what we're doing.
Yeah, it's
on. It's on our pier, too. But yeah, just start on your watch
us in the studio. If you want to watch us sit with big
microphones and and talk. I tried to make it somewhat
interesting. I tried to show the websites and stuff. But yeah,
it's, you know, it's not it's not a YouTube show. It's we're
doing our audio shows, but we put them up there and people
show up and they like to watch and stream it. So we'll do it.
Makes sense.
helipad API Dave, just since we're kind of in that realm
still before we slip out.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's what I was doing on live code lesson.
Live coding last night was implementing the leaderboard
stuff. And I got that in there. So what does that mean? So
there's an extra table in in helipad. Now that will, every
minute or so it will build, it'll build a new leaderboard of
and it's per user per show. So there's an end there's an API
endpoint for it. Now, this core is enabled. So if you're running
helipad, somewhere, let's just say you had let me let's let's
envision a scenario here where you have Hello pad in, in an
office or at your house or something. And it's running,
it's communicating with your lightning node somewhere. And
it's pulling in boosts all the time and streams. And building
this leaderboard will if you were to throw something like
tail scale on there. And then on the on a website, you could you
could call out to the hell a pad API.
Tail scale isn't is enabling No more bullshit with router ports
and forwarding and busting open firewalls and insecurity. I love
we'd love to scale
in so you could do that. And then your website could be
running off of that data that's coming off of your off of your
Hello, Pat. If you wanted to have a live live leaderboard
website. Nice. Yeah, but it'll there'll be a UI for it in
helipad where you can pull up and say show me my current
leaderboard. But you could you know, you can do it in a way but
right and what we built last night was just the the the
tables in the API
was this we who was this we were talking about me and
my dog Okay.
Dave's cheating on
me. I actually think the features are just going to help
adoption, you know, people, they like seeing their names up on
the leaderboard. And also as a creator, I don't want to miss
that somebody has been really contributing quite a bit, right?
Those kinds of details, if you're not keeping track of it,
you can miss out on and forget to maybe thank somebody
approacher. So really
Oh, and you will, and you'll screw it up, and you'll skip
over stuff. And it happens. But I will tell you that I started a
new career in the keeper from the ground up. And there are
people who really, really, really have no idea what they're
doing when it comes to even installing an app. It's like, I
don't really like doing apps. And and people like doing it's
like, Okay, I'm gonna do this, because I really want to get my
note read, I want to be a part of the show. I want to be a part
of the community. And they do it.
It's great to see, I feel like if we could, if we could get
boosts via the web, you know, something you could embed as a
podcaster. On your website. I think we'd also see another
uptick.
That's, that's, that's that's, I'll be right. Yeah,
that's yeah, that's yeah,
they're almost done with that. I think aren't they done with the,
with the splits the integrating in or something? Like I heard
about it on pod land? sounded like they were close to that.
I don't I don't know. You know, about the web embedding of Lb Do
you, Chris.
I know about lb. But I didn't know they had a web embed. Yes.
So you can
you can put a method, a meta tag into a web page and the lb
extension will will see that on the side. And oh, yeah. Yeah.
And you can donate directly through that. Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, I'm thinking more like what pod verse does, you know
where you, you hit the lightning button, and then this new pane
expands, and you put the amount in the boost? And and you put
the message in?
Right? That it's very, very similar, very similar to that.
Oh, that's great. All right. I'll play around with that.
Yeah, it's pretty sweet. I think albies probably exactly what we
needed to just kind of take it to the next level. Yeah,
I think so too. It took a lot of the complexity away. And in the
fact that you can hook it in to your own stuff on the backside,
if you want to. Mina means that you don't have to. I mean, if
you're, if you're hardcore, and you don't want to do custodial
anything, well, then you don't have to. Well, I mean, it's
custodial infrastructure. But as far as like, the destination of
where everything's going to end up, you don't have to you don't
have to go that route, if you don't want to know. But yeah,
and whoever wrote a shiver just went up Roy spawn when I said
that. For us, for the for the normies. out there. That's,
that's, that's pretty good.
What else is on your list? Dave? Do you have any other because
there's, there's so much going on? There's so many different
things you've been working on?
Yeah, the other one that well, the other thing I've been
working on pretty hard. I was I was hitting that a lot this week
was the apple to apple look up in point in size. This is almost
done. And this is
so that there can be a complete drop in replacement of the
entire 2.0 system if they want to do it. And it would replace
all of the apple tags.
No, that no, no, this this is for the this is on the API. And
so within the API, there will be a public endpoint. Not behind
the token, anything would be a public endpoint, just like
apples. So this is for their lookup endpoint. This is where
you can give it and you can say you can call Apple's API and
say, here's the Apple iTunes, Id give me the information about
this podcast, I see it this would be a replacement for that,
excuse me, not a replacement. It could be but this is really
meant. It's really meant to be a failover. So if Apple goes down,
you for it has an outage that apps and services can just do an
A, B, and failover to us get the exact same data
you're using. Yeah, you're using the apple, the apple id for the
lookup.
He's an Apple ID for the lookup. And then, but we're using our
database to fulfill the request. And so
then what so after that happens, then we send a bill to Apple or
how does that work?
Yeah, no, it automatically generates an invoice. It goes
straight to Tim Cook. We bill you for $3 million in an hour.
No big deal. Cool. It's
almost done. I need the last struggle I'm doing is I'm
fighting through is the categories because I needed I
needed apples internal category.
Did a lot of category work, including the now in the export
of the database, I guess.
Yeah, the category, the category, categories and
descriptions I didn't want I've resisted adding the Description
field of podcasts and for a long time because I knew it was just
going to bloat the size of the download. And of course it did
but it went from about 800 megabytes toward and geez, it.
Well, the tars doesn't matter, but it went from 100 megabyte G
zipped to like 1.3 gigs, Jesus and almost done. Wow. But that's
in that. And that's with a limit of 1000 characters in
description field. What's typical people wanted it,
what's the what's the typical amount of characters in the
Description field is more than $1,000? Man,
there's there's some fans out there that have, you know, a mag
in the description field. Outrageous. Yeah. Yeah crazy.
But yeah, that's That's uh that's just that's two things
that worked on this week. And I'm really just trying with the
lookup thing I'm really just trying to give I'm trying to
stay true to the mission of what we're of. There's the mission
for podcasting to know there's a mission for the IP on the index,
I'm trying to keep the mission pure on the index, and in give
developers a non Apple alternative to things when they
need it. That doesn't mean that we want to mean this, it would,
we can't afford to replace Apple's API. I mean, we don't
have that much money. So we can't afford that much
infrastructure. But we can and have in the past, stepped in and
full and fulfilled that role when the time called for it. And
I mean, that's, that's why Marco gives us $500 a month, because,
you know, we played an important role in, in, in his apps live
during that time when Apple went down. So that's consider that to
be really important. And we're going to you know, we need to
keep doing that.
I love this idea. And it'll it'll luring more developers go
ahead, you know, where your where your insurance policy, you
may just want to hang out with us. Date, bait. Get it out of
bait. Nice, shall we? Thanks. Some people since you mentioned
Marco who indeed is one of the one of the people who supports
us with the value he was with a equal value to what he receives
out of it. We love that. Porter we thank and Dave
and Chris, you don't have a heart out. Can you hang with us
for some boosts?
I'm here for you.
You're a beautiful man. It's a we got some we got some papers.
We got as usual. Every month Marco gave us $500 He was top of
mind.
Yes, well, not really a boost but we appreciate Yes, yes.
Thank you, sir. Marco. Appreciate that. Very much. And
we also got a sad puppy rescue donation from Dame Jennifer
Buchanan. Oh, really? Oh, yes. $133
Wow. Jen, thank you so much. Yeah,
she says let's see if I can read this. It says oh noes. No Pay
Pal donations last week. Vacate the sea vacation should be god
this is so hard to read. It's very light. Donation as the
vacation should be celebrated. Well, I celebrate what y'all are
doing to preserve free speech. Even when that includes my
slightly corny jingles which may even make even me blush named
Jennifer.
It's so when you talk math, Ron, that stinks. Dry. Math to me.
You're supposed to say that for episode 100.
Oh, I was I suppose I'm sorry. I forgot I forgot our deal. Wow.
I'm so sorry. Well, I left the barn door. I'll get you a new
one. Out. slipped out.
We Yep. So that's, that's our two paper towels and Oh, thank
you. Thank you, Jen. Batch
boosts though, okay, batch big batch of boosts.
Let's see. We got to do you know who sent us a boost this week?
Or will Oh really? Yes do from the grave. He sent us 1111 SATs
through fountain and he says Adam, why did you close our
channel?
Oh this is so there is a George Orwell's and I know the channel
because you know we about 140 channels. And so I go through
them regularly to see how everything's doing if we got
some good health on the channels everything. And from time to
time. What are you laughing about?
I'm just laughing because George Orwell complained about you
closing this chant? Yeah,
well, from time to time. l&d just closes channels and then
people say, Hey, man, why don't you close my channel? I didn't
and of course I had no way to respond to this, but I saw the
booster Graham come in on my own helipad. And like Ah, man, I'm
glad we hit that one because I want to say I didn't just give
me your your ID and and we'll open a new one. No problem.
This is a long standing bug within lnd
ever gonna fix in this ODOT 15 or whatever it is.
He says, George says I just wanted to support you with
forwarding payments with zero base fee. Yes. Well, sure. Thank
you. We appreciate that. Now, this
has happened to us with with our huge family channel to pay. I
mean, it's just closed randomly before.
Yeah, that really sucks. When that happens.
No hard feelings. George. George followed up again with
111 111 11. He says, is that number 111 11 111 1111 1111?
Yes. Because sometimes when I'm listening to no agenda or
another podcast where you are in the value split, I got an error.
So assume that had something to do with inbound liquidity.
Okay, no, that's different. If there's if there's an error in
the value split, that could be my note at home was down or that
could be something else. I don't know. I don't know it. I don't
think it was on yalls end. Not your fault for sure.
It's a mystery. Yes. Abel Kirby says 8888 says there carry a
caster and he says, Pew Thank you. Michael. Sean Becker sent
us 10,000 says 10k big monster Casta Matic and he says first
booster gram Oh, he's pumped to boost gram cherry he says have
been around since DSC days go podcasting. Oh no. Don't boost
boost Thank you. Welcome.
We get to say we were all there. The day that he no didn't lost
his buddy. Boost virginity
if if you were listening to his daily source code, you get to
say hi, I'm old
Roy Schonfeld Arias 54 321 bombshell through breeze and he
says, I missed you guys.
We miss you too. Roy. Roy, did you see his his post his Medium
post which also went up on Bitcoin magazine? I have it
right here in my hand. Yeah. Follow up to GGS This is very
interesting. And this isn't an industry wide push the way I see
it now. To change the word wallet into something else,
which I think Roy is proposing payment, you know, app a payment
app if using a podcast and just the podcast app. And I'm not
quite sure why this seems like there's a little more behind it.
Why is everyone running away from the and I? The way it's
explained in the articles? I completely get it, buddy too.
But what okay, I mean it that's a hard one.
I wonder if it's just a sort of, do you know what we're talking
about? Chris? Barry, completely lost? I'm following you. Yeah,
there's Roy wrote an article in the name of you want to go read
it as
I think I actually did come across this one. And and the
idea sort of is, is that while it turns off new users to term,
right, yeah,
yeah. And then in general, just inaccurate, you know? Because
it's not really what, it's not really what wallets do. And so I
agree with it. But I wonder if this is just a spontaneous sort
of thing of trying to take it, take the nomenclature away,
because maybe it's causing trouble with App Store
submissions, or when they see wallet,
I get it in the context of web three, when you're gonna log
into a website with your wallet that feels weird and broken. But
having, you know, 10,000 SATs in a lightning wallet on my podcast
app, I don't have any problem with that at all. If I were
going to change any nomenclature around Bitcoin, I would change
mining into producing because mining creates a visualization
in your head that's resource intensive, but producing that's
fresh and clean. So let's focus on that. Not on the wallet
thing.
Okay, yeah, it's like you're burning the ocean. You're
boiling the oceans mining.
Reducing Bitcoin. That's a great thing. But the wallet This
doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
I don't know if I have an opinion on it yet. I mean, to
me, I think you're right. David seems like this is because
there's so much legal framework stuff being done around wallets,
you know, the EU is probably leading and go bad wallet, and
whatever. And hosted wallets, all this kind of stuff. And I
think from a political angle moving forward, it makes sense
to say no, this is really just some keys. And this is just a
way for you to sign something so people know that you approve
this,
which is like a keychain sort of sort of a name case. Yeah, I
mean, keychain but but man you're it's a it's a uphill
battle. I mean, just look at the iPhone has a wallet and the
wallet. It contains your Apple Pay and your driver's license
and god knows what else is. It's hard. It's hard to that's a
tough one. It's almost like you know, YouTube, I got a podcast.
I'm on YouTube, like, what am I going to say? Well, no, but
okay. I don't know, interest is
an element of using the term wallet to help with adoption for
new users. It's least something they kind of can wrap their head
around when it's such a new tool.
But then why? Then why are they saying it's bad for adoption?
I just don't agree. Maybe I think it is. In some cases,
I can already feel Roy getting ready to call me tomorrow.
No, no, this is this is the way this the way this this is the
system working. We say things against what he wrote. And so
he'll have to boost us again. Next.
Yeah, I'm sorry. Yes. I'm gonna pick up the phone. Yeah, just
boost us. Boost us with your opinions. Roy. Goes to
everybody.
Yes, it's bait, boost bait and 10,000 SATs from dude into
fountain. And he says it he says 10k set minimum for boost reads.
Oh, no,
that's pretty high.
That's pretty high.
Maybe we'll get there. If we're really successful. We'll get
there. We'll see
ya. Alberto. I have to assume this is out there tomorrow.
says.com says 200 says now we really don't. We just
implemented the 1000 sat limit, really? But when Alberta sends
you a boost, from our sense, you have to read it. Okay. You're
coming in cold, Alberta? Yes. Podcasting. He says podcasting
2.0 To the Moon.
Okay. All right to the moon.
When you're gonna say to the moon, you gotta bring more than
200. SAS? Yeah, I
think so we have
mere mortals podcasts, and it's a row ducks 2222 through
fountain and he says, I like that Tom did that motion to look
for the positive side of things. It's a really refreshing
mindset,
the motion of positivity. Thanks for your ducks.
If you've ever hung out with Tom for very long, he's just a happy
guy. He cannot he cannot stay on the negative side of things for
very long. I can say I can hang out there forever. But I was
born a cynic Kevin bass and is 100,000 SATs Whoa, through
fountain and he says this might be a really bad idea. But what
if someone put together a podcast index conference? It's
really bad at this conference, it would be focused only on
software hardware, namespace standards, value seminars,
crypto onboarding, hands on and anything else except advertising
and growing your show? All the things that are not advertising
and Gorani just a thought podcast,
you will go podcast and do that sounds a bit like sounds a bit
like the hackathon to me.
Yes, Chris. I did. Thoughts on the hackathon. Is it a good
idea?
I I would I would go to a podcasting Judo conference. So
yeah, I think a hackathon is a great idea. I think I think
you'd be surprised. Okay, I think people want to I want they
want to get together. They want to strategize and they want to
build tools around this. I want you know, I keep thinking every
time you guys talk about something, I think, Okay, what's
my workflow for that? How am I going to integrate that? How do
I get all my hosts on board? You know, that kind of stuff. And
anytime you get a chance to just chat with people in person and
talk about that kind of stuff. It feels like you get like two
months worth of stuff done in like, in one week.
That's true history. We were going to Podcast Movement. We're
going to do a talk there. So I think what we could do is
instead of creating a podcasting 2.0 conference, we could just
slowly over the next few years by them over more and more.
That's my strategy.
By that's what I do by them. We got to note follow SATs. Bitch,
what is this place cost?
Karen for the mere mortals podcast. He sent us 9494 SATs
there Curio Castro, he says boosting because you guys are
awesome. I missed p 2.0. as well. Thanks, Carrie. We missed
you too, brother. Sure did. Now, James Crillon came in with a
droopy boost of 150. Oh, sorry. Oops, no, no, take
that back boost boost.
He says, ha, I didn't call Adam a dick. Just there's a potential
personality clash between you and some others in the industry.
Not a criticism. You speak your mind. And I welcome that.
Oh, interesting. So first of all, if I hadn't made it clear,
that was all on me, James. I immediately thought you were
calling me a dick. My wife called me down. She's like, now
you're seeing this the wrong way. Which is why I love her why
I'm married to her. So and I sorry if that wasn't apparent. I
don't think there's personality clashes. Some people just dicks.
There's no clash.
There's no clash. I have no problem but I do speak my mind.
And if people don't like it, then it seems like everyone else
in the industry speaks their mind. Certainly people at
Spotify say what they what they feel and what they believe.
No lack of speaking, no of mine. There's no podcasts and
I like that. That's the way it should be. It's good.
I think. I think the results are speaking for themselves. Yeah,
and I
wish only everybody well, but I do kind of want everybody to
play the play in the same fields, you know. So if you want
to go off and do your own thing, good, Bubba
Jameson, another 150, SAS, and he says, I've never I've not
ever called them quote, silly internet tokens, unquote.
Yes, I heard him say that. Maybe not silly.
Okay, I've called them in the past internet tokens or internet
money because I recommend
the money he said funny money. I find the money money. That's it
funny money.
That's it funny money. He
doesn't matter because yeah, sorry. I was at it. No. Yeah, he
says because I
reckon the word cryptocurrency turns many people off.
Yeah. Alan turns me off. I hate I hate calling it crypt. I call
it value for value. You don't see me here. You don't hear me
saying crypto ever a man. We're using crypto. Now. That's
horrible that that's repellent. Value for value is? But yeah.
Okay. But I'm just saying in the beginning. Yeah. When we first
started off, there was a lot of resistance. And people like what
is this? There was a lot of resistance talk, you know, just
like funny money, whatever. All I'm saying is, I love what I'm
seeing. I love how you know when I when I have to hear not have
to when I hear on a podcast, I don't produce that. I'm just a
listener of fan of pod land. And that's where I hear about
announcement between lb haven't met the lb guys on the social
and rss.com I mean, that I immediately texted my wife said
so unbelievable what's happening. Fuck marketing. This
should just works. It's just it's so good. People just wanted
that just using it. And they're talking about it that it makes
me super happy.
People buy $10 A SATs and spin them? Isn't a SAT and internet
token? Or do we need to confuse and complicated by talking about
crypto to a public that does not understand crypto?
No, we don't need to use the word crypto at all its value for
value and we do it with SATs and then how you get those. Now you
have to be a crypto expert.
Now if we want to change the nomenclature around something,
getting rid of the word crypto, it would be fine by me that
that's that word has become I don't use
it. I despise it. I never liked it. And I thought I also Bitcoin
to me is in a different category. But I don't want we
don't need to have a jihad conversation. I know Chris would
be right there with me with his with his Kalashnikov. And your
Toyota truck. Going to the hardest.
It's a coin dad pod backing us up.
So yeah, but yeah, I think it value for value seems to be well
understood. And when I didn't want to look at get alby.com
They've got a whole value for value description. I love this.
It can it can be a little different for everybody. You can
describe it in different ways. This I think is the big eye
opener. We struggled for months and months and months about a
website and marketing and, and nomenclature and words. And the
best things have just have happened without look. Did we
ever market booster Graham the term though we just started
using it. Pod ping lit. Oh my god, I hear people saying Oh,
no. Like Todd Cochran is talking about the show is lit. I mean,
it doesn't even make sense to someone who has no we're talking
about what we're using it. And that's, that is so powerful. So
that means that the My hunch? And what I think I've always
said is that when people start talking about innovation or
something new in podcasting, and they do it on their podcast, it
propagates and then someone hears that tell someone else
they tell a host it's its own kind of slow, very slow, but
it's a it's a slow wave of marketing that is unbelievable
in podcasting, it's unparalleled in any other industry.
And if I could jump in I would just say I think a lot of credit
goes to you Adam for giving podcasters a language to express
these ideas and then you're starting to see the network
effect of more and more people using that language. And you
know it started with you and John
All I want is a plaque just a plaque doesn't matter we're in
Texas it doesn't have to be you know, and you can burn me and
smoke me and clay Jackson Brown the loadout Everything else is
fine just the plaque on plaque. That's all I need. It seems
fair.
Jackson Brown.
My death song and you're slamming it
can't handle Jackson Brown. This you don't like the loadout? No,
I something about his something about his voice.
Okay, well, all right. Chris. uninvite Dave from my funeral
please. Okay. He's not allowed to listen I'm allowed
James Crillon again 1001 sets and he says and because the
other two booths I said, here's another one.
There it is. Okay. Well played. Well, I was about to complain
about that too. Well played. Well played, sir. I'm looking
forward to hanging out with. With James a Podcast Movement.
Yeah, let's drink some beers. Satoshi streams and it's 5552
through fountain and with a heart and with a heart emoji.
Oh, booze. Thank you. So nice.
Cast VLAN 4550 through fountain and he says he folk I never do a
live show boost. I guess it was a no agenda boost where you're
calling out. You were calling out on podcast in Tupelo. 93 Oh,
I had fun and earn 160 SATs. I don't get I don't get the
earnings so far. You can have them you can have them. Keep on
the work. Keep up the work boost.
Thanks. Thank you very much.
Thank you guys. George Orwell coming in again. 2222 Rilla
ducks and he says nevermind it was a force close.
There it is. Complaint complaint followed up and then resolved
all with money. Thank you. Work. Sorry. It works.
Chris, did you you were a naughty freelancer for a while.
Right? A long time? Yeah. Long time. Do you remember? I don't
know the origin of this. But do you remember the it it was it
was a list called the I think it was like it achievements. Okay,
they were no, they they looked you know, they're based on Xbox
achievements. And so they would have they would have a name and
an icon and then a description of it. So like, one of them was
one of them was I forgot the name of the it was like
Dominator or something that was said to fix a problem by doing
nothing. And so you know, it's like those people that call you
on the on the Help Desk and they're like, Hey, I've got
Okay, nevermind in the hangar. Yeah, my favorite one window was
that's basically what just happened here with. With him he
fixed his own problem. But my favorite one of those was called
areola bold. It was fun to secret pornstache in somebody's
fonts folder.
Did it ever come in handy?
Oh, yes. I've gotten that achievement many times. Yeah, oh
yeah.
And what do you do? Do you follow up and say it with an
email Hi employee we've noticed some
case it was the owner so I just basically a wink and a nod and I
just got myself a longer term contract.
Extend extension. Yeah. Cole McCormick one cent is 3333 cents
through fountain and he says I would like to motion for
positivity and high THC percentages. The board meeting
deserves top shelf stuff.
Nothing but the best of the board.
Thank you go see Nomad Joe says 1234 SAS through curio Castro
and he says testing curio caster they were they worked? Yes test
successful. In BS since 33 333 through fountain
nice since you
go podcasting in BS mollusk send us 10,000 SATs through fountain
he says I would love to see Chris Fisher invited as a guest
on the show.
Your Your wish is our command.
Thanks for the great work really delivering that you have. Yeah,
I mean, you brought people before you even before they even
realized that you brought people. This was fantastic.
Lyceum 22 to 22 of the humongous row of dogs and he says I've
tried to add the row of ducks number 2222 Satoshis to the
booster gram numerology page on GitHub. I've probably crashed
the page now. How many ducks could have? How many ducks could
you have in a row? All the best Martin Lind discard well I see
him theropods.
Oh, yeah, Martin. He's another one of these podcast listeners
who showed up and is boosting shows and is tweeting and is
helping promote it's beautiful.
Yes, fantastic. He's all over the place. He twittering
blueberry. What a blueberry. He sent us a big fat road ducks 22
to 22 and he says oh hell yeah. This past Sunday for episode 107
We successfully deployed IRC, a cough IR cacophony with IRC
capitalised, SC IR cacophony, which is an IRC tool that
allowed us to hear different pew sounds. Different amounts
boosted
Nice. Oh like that. So join helipad is so advanced now or
will be so advanced you don't have to look at some measly
boost. Now we wait for the fire Work sound effect that we know
it's good.
It was very surreal to have producers boost in firing off
their own ISOs of Alex Jones and Jim
This is a cool idea I like this so you can fire up different
sounds based upon the number of the boosted grandma is good. You
should we could just have a full time stream that just does
nothing but that if you ever have a selection of whatever and
you just boost gets queued up
in my reading this right he says it was very surreal to have
producers boost in firing off their own ISOs have Alex gently
did they? Are they somehow providing the morale of
their musket? I don't know. I love I liked this idea no matter
what it is. That's terrifying. No, it's fantastic. Think of it
just a 24 hour seven stream and you know minimum minimum boost
is you know, 10,000 or whatever. And are you 10,000 You get a one
minute sound clip played. I'm just dreaming once again, but I
can see that I can see listening to it. Like oh, I'll listen to
this crazy stuff.
That would get nuts. He says very cool. questionably legal,
no permission required.
Very questionably legal. Very questionable. Running with
Scissors.
Yes. NECA Pfeiffer 7777. Lucky numbers a strike. Getting a
striper boost. He says getting my boost in early due to a busy
meeting scheduled today.
Very nice. Thank you. Good.
And this limiter college Chris, listen to Chris
jumping in like he's been in the boardroom forever. You're such a
podcast or room for weeks such podcasts
boost, boost, boost, comic strip blogger follow series 15,033.
SAS through fountain and he says, How do you Dave and Adam,
do you know any movie director who needs British actor? I'm
asking. No,
I only know one.
Same here asking because Gregory William Forsythe Foreman from
Kidd, who previously years ago was working as BBC actor is
reviving his actor career now. Right anyways, I invite your
audience to listen to our podcast about artificial
intelligence. Just enter AI dot cookie in your web browser or
podcast app.
So it's so amazing. This it really works. Every podcast is
getting boost from from CSV and everyone knows AI dot cookie,
friends of mine like Hey, what's that AI dot cooking show?
And everybody knows that CSV is the cheapest person on the
planet.
For him to send anything. Yeah, it's working. It's working.
Yeah.
monthly donors that was our boosts monthly donors through
Pay Pal subscriptions is Tim Hudgins. $25 He's my buddy,
David would find $3 Duane Goldy $8 Paul Erskine $11.14 Michael
Goggin $5 Charles current $5 Christopher reamer $10 Shawn
McCune $20 cone glotzbach $5 and James Sullivan $10.
No, thank you all so much for those monthlies. Couple other
late entrants in the lit boosts. 50,005 sets from blueberry. And
he says from 2012 to 2019, I would ask our audio guy to on
tour to do one final soundcheck with the loadout by Jackson
Browne. That song hits deep Thank you blueberry. Screw Dave
Jones.
In there, do you add?
No, I added that. Sir Spencer 12345 I'll read this one because
it's a shameless plug. Laureen and I will be interviewing
notorious chyron down on bowls with buds live Sunday after no
agenda. Love to all the hard working but board members and
floydian slips who's just he just keeps on going. 3333 The
only way to tell who's boss is to put your bells on the table.
Ain't that the truth? That was on the table? Yes. Chris, I want
to I want to thank you for your podcast. Linux unplugged on my
daily drivers Linux Mint on a surface go version three, which
is quite enjoyable. And I really liked the podcast, because it
keeps me up to speed with what's going on in Linux. You know,
sometimes I might look at something I might try it out or
I there's something about it that works really well for, for
me, you know, a full time Linux user, but really very casual in
in getting out of the box or anything like that. And it's a
really good show. And I want to thank you for producing that and
doing it.
Well. Thank you. That's great to hear.
You're welcome.
You know, really I was just thinking how great is it really
because that's quite the compliment coming from you. So I
really do preach Shadid if if we're saying our thank yous,
thank you guys, really, I think podcasting needed this. I don't
know if I feel like it's too cliche to say it, but maybe
we're saving podcasting right now right here. Maybe I'm
witnessing it with you guys. So
with no meetings, Chris, no.
Keys, no meetings with anybody really? Yeah, yeah. Well, let's
everybody, that's what's so beautiful about it, we just we
just the catalyst, that's because of where we were in our
lives and what we want to do with our lives. And, and I think
that needs to be a lot more mentoring, because I think we
are older Dave and I are older than most people probably. In
the world in the universe. I'm older than wood. I'm older than
wood. But I like it. I like seeing young energetic talent
from all kinds, just in some of the older dudes to Hey, Todd, I
see you. You know, this is really important, because the
only kind of mentoring that's I guess, official was like,
podcasts Academy, you know. So we can't necessarily tell anyone
how to make a successful podcast or content. But there's a lot of
people around us who have great ideas and are being very
successful and just becoming a part of it is, it's, again, it's
one of the best things I've ever participated in my life. It's
I'm always astounded by how beautiful things work out in
this in this project.
Yeah, you know, you guys have been joking about the motion for
positivity. But I'm serious. This show is like my positive
moment of the week. I, I always listen on the way home because
ultimately, even if you know, Spotify is doing something
stupid, or, you know, Andreessen, what's his face is
doesn't know about happening, like, yeah, that stuff. It's
annoying. But when you zoom out and witness what's happening,
and when you see the kind of the podcasters getting it, you see
the audience getting it, you see the app developers are getting
it, posting platforms will catch up, or will just build around?
Well, they're already they're on board. They're on board there.
They are pushing hard.
Yeah. Yeah. Chris, I would like it seemed appropriate to give
you the opportunity to follow the first pimp. Oh, and tell him
tell the board. Is there any? Is there any enhancements or things
that you think should be done in podcasting? To what what are
your Do you have an idea that you've been thinking of that you
would like to submit to the pin board?
I'll be honest with you, I think it's I think there's still so
many of the very initial ideas that we needed to see wider
adoption. That's where I'm at, you know, I come from the Linux
community. And I've been a little surprised that there's
been a slower uptake over there, it's not totally slow. There's
there are a lot of people get it, because I feel like what's
being developed here could eventually one day apply to free
software as well, if you get people on the Lightning Network
that are listening to a Linux podcast, and some other Linux
podcasters get on there. And you start having 1000s of people
that are on the Lightning Network that like Linux, and
then free software projects start getting on the Lightning
Network, I think you could see people supporting free software
pretty quick. So I kind of I can see this growing beyond just
podcasting. But in terms of that stuff, I feel like there's still
so many things that we need apps to support or we need the
ability to do via the web or that kind of stuff. So I don't
know I my motion would be to focus on the on the core
features and really just get adoption out there. But there's
only so much you guys can do directly about that. Right? But
you innovate but adopt
adoption is up to podcasters. Right? That podcasters got to
tell their their their listeners, their communities,
their whatever you want to call them, their producers. You
that's how that's the only way it spreads. That's, that's what
works. That's your one. One person talking about? It goes to
1000 10,000 You know, whatever a podcast has this. That's it.
That's the adoption. There's no, no yeah, we could spend 50,000
be gold with with diamond tip sponsor a Podcast Movement and
get a keynote out of it not accusing anyone of everything.
I'm just saying that's, that's a way you can do it that but that
money, the money's not there. And quite frankly, I think this
is not the future of any anything that we're looking at.
shits falling apart. Now these streamers are in trouble.
Podcast tivity they know this is it's very positive. Well, and I
think this, but I think this what you're saying Chris is both
for me. Now, I'm a participant in the show. But the way I see
it is, you know, there's all these things that are going on,
and this is in trouble. And these guys are shit. And they're
doing that and Apple doesn't care. But I always know but look
at this great group of people doing cool shit, and it's just
moving forward. And I don't use apple. I use things that work
for me and the people who listen to my podcast. Like no agenda is
not on Spotify hasn't heard me because the people who want to
listen to me, they will get an app that works for them. So the
adaption part, it's if you can get your own audience to adopt
it. That's the key that everyone needs them. I can work it work
at a local level. Get your own audience to adopt it. everything
else falls into place.
I think that's it. That's a that's really well said. And I
feel like as a podcaster, that's been doing it for a while, I've
always felt like I'm just out on my own doing this all by myself
just doing my own thing, which has been fine. There's elements
of that I've liked a lot. But as we've started getting more and
more into the podcasting to Dotto community, it's felt like
now we're part of something bigger, and something that's
trying to make the medium better. Yes. And the motivations
are pure, and it's something that feels healthy to me as
somebody who makes his living off of this i and that's it.
There's an element of that, too. It's like this is spot on for my
business spot on.
You're exactly right.
It's a lot better to unify as a, as an as an industry or as a lot
better to unify around features and innovation than it is to
round award shows. Yeah, and $200 memberships to the podcast.
Okay.
I'm sorry, it's I don't want to sound negative. And I agree with
you. You would just yeah, it's just a lot more fun. We're
getting more done. Everyone's welcome to participate
is decentralized, but we're peered you know, it's like we're
law and also there's so much money drive trying to drive
success from Spotify from Amazon wondery. Who else is in the
game? I mean, there's, there's such a drive to turn it into
kind of a Hollywood, that now as a podcast, or like you, Chris,
we are now known as Indies. And I just hate that. I mean, I love
that I'm independent, but don't put a label. I'm a podcaster.
Don't call me an indie podcast. And yeah, it's really it's rude.
I'm a very successful podcaster.
And I feel like what's happening on the on kind of like the back
end is we're building this this network that is available to all
podcasters that is completely decentralized. Yet everybody's
incentives aligned. Exactly. It's, it's, it's, it's great. If
like a podcaster, who makes a competing podcast to me, I win
if they start taking votes. That's, that's pretty powerful.
Yep. Yeah, you win big time you beat out the whole system.
Yeah, it's an it's a network effect. And it just grows. And
so you could have these centralized entities like
Spotify or Apple trying to generate revenue models around
podcasting. I have, you know, I've seen that go. And I've seen
them, try it. I've seen others try it. I've seen it fail. But
this is something decentralized. And that, to me feels more
sustainable. It's more true to RSS, which, and podcasts which
is decentralized, right, it's just really in line with all of
it. I like it a lot. So thank you guys, really forgetting it's
going.
And there's a lot more coming. There's a lot of apps and
services that that have approached us and that are
working on stuff. And I think we're going to be very surprised
and the next next six months just of the adoption, it's this.
You can feel it everywhere. It's just happening and, and we're
kind of removed from it, which I love. That's what I like so
much. It's like there's no talk about Dave and Adam, per se.
It's just podcasting. 2.0 love that. Yep.
Yep, for sure. Oh, he's just a few spaces removed, though. You
know, I think people know, people know,
we know what
the work you guys are doing.
I guess my point is doesn't matter. That's what makes it
successful. Doesn't matter. David, I have to remind each
other and say, Hey, man, did you notice that this thing is kind
of working? Oh, yeah, you're right. Yep. So Dave, closing
comments. Dave, have you already let us board the board room?
No, no, you call me coming out the bathroom? The see?
What is this? What is that from?
That's an ISO of Tod B.
That's end of show right there. Whatever that is, is beautiful.
You're welcome. Yeah, I've got something else but it's a big
topic. Let's save it for next week. Okay,
excellent. Chris Fisher's. You can find them Jupiter
broadcasting.com I believe.
Jupiter broadcasting comm request for Jupiter
broadcasting.net. This is our test site. Our community is
building us a new website and I'd love feedback. Cool, cool.
Yeah, they can let us know and GitHub, Jupiter broadcasting
dotnet is our in Development website.
And of course, they file a pimp at Jupiter broadcasting on
GitHub. Well,
I guess you know, a boring old issue.
Okay. Not everybody can be a pimp.
Then of course the the outstanding Linux unplugged
podcast, really appreciate you dropping by the board meeting
and have yourself a great weekend, Chris. Thanks,
gentlemen. You too. Okay. Dave, my brother. Have a good one.
All right, man. Have a good weekend. Don't go in. I'm off to
two Fix a clutch in the truck.
Yeah, it's not what the kids are calling it these days. Go fix
the clutch. That's it for podcasting. 2.0 This is the
conclusion of the board meeting catch us back here next week
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