Oh, podcasting 2.0 for August 5 2020 to Episode 96 Flog dry
anyone once again, right, it's time for the weekly board
meeting of podcasting. 2.0 Find out what's going on with the
future of podcasting, which happens to be here today.
Everything going on in podcasting index.org, the
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happening with value for value and with podcasting index dot
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you're ready, I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas
Hill Country and in Alabama. my roomie for Podcast Movement, my
friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones
would really happy Friday, really, really? Happy Friday,
bringing in a 90s word up.
Yeah, it's it's it's Friday and pod thing still running?
Yes. You mean all in all regions, all areas? We've got
hive power, it's up and running. We have global global high
power. Yeah. What happened? Exactly the system was down and
was was, I mean, tell me what was going on? It seemed like
everything was still kind of working.
Yeah. Now what it wasn't this was not a this was not a
disaster like it was last week. So what yeah, what he figured
out is that there is some sort of memory leak or something is
probably in the hive writer in like the light hive library is
being used for the rider. And so that's the only thing we can
figure out long running sort of long running process.
Like some of the shittiest things to have to have to track
down though memory leaks.
Yeah, for sure. Let the race there's a lot of there's a few
things in, you know, computer science, computer programming
that are really difficult race conditions being one of them,
you know, in parallel programming. Memory Leaks are
another one there. They're not. They're easier with decent debug
tools. But I just don't know, on the Python side. How those
things look, or a lot of Python libraries are wrappers around
other around other language libraries. So you know, I don't
I'm not I'm not sure how much of this is native. And they could
be a wrapper around a C. C library or binary or something
like that. I just don't know how that works. And it's, that's
part of the issue is that I am running this code. Well, I got a
dough there's a double pew.
Really? Oh, did you get that double? As a GPU? Oh, that
wasn't supposed to happen. I wonder why.
It's like a trampoline and peered off the trampoline, isn't
it? No, that's nasty. And the, but I don't I don't know how.
I'm not a Python programmer. So I don't understand much of what
I'm looking at. And so when these things happen, I'm like,
just trying to scramble and figure it out and post over to
Alex and Brian, like, well, you know, what is this screenshot?
Right? And but anyway, it wasn't a big deal. I think these are
low memory instances, the VMs. And so I think adding Docker to
it, added a load significantly reduced the memory.
I'm bringing, I'm almost I'm almost sorry, I asked to be
honest.
Ask a question. You know, you
went really deep, all of a sudden, it's like, wow, okay,
wait, we're at Docker.
Straight to Docker. I think we figured it out. For now, I'm
just restarting the Docker container every 30 minutes,
which is way conservative for what this was. But it just, it
just makes sure that the memory thing doesn't happen again. I
mean, these things run all the time. And they they produce
1000s and 1000s and 1000s of pod pings. So if you have a small
memory leak, eventually it's going to catch gonna catch up
for you. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But the good thing about Docker is
it makes it super easy, because all you got to do is just like,
do a Docker restart every half hour. And it's like it just,
it's fixed. Now,
now, but we didn't lose any, any pings. And we were able to go
back and we had everything the way it's supposed to work. So
that was perfect, then.
No, we did not lose anything because somebody created a
incredible queueing system. Oh, that that is written to disk.
And so even if even if the server goes down, comes back up.
All the pings are still they're nice. They just empty the queue.
Nice. Good. Nice. Yep.
Okay, all right. So we got that solved. I've just been messing
with my setup. I got one of those Beeline peace. he's ever
seen these
never even heard of it. Oh, it's
it's always basically like a like the size of a Raspberry Pi
with an enclosure. And it's 180 bucks. And you know, it has two
HDMI is four USB three ports. Yeah, when it comes with Windows
11, I was like, you know, this the, the surface that I've been
using for the for producing the show and running the studio. You
know, I was getting blue screens of death and stuff like that.
Well, let me let me set up something different kind of in
anticipation of being able to switch completely to Linux to
just see, okay, if I switch to another Windows box entirely,
can I get everything back up and running and now with the road,
the road caster to the road caster Pro two? Absolutely. But
I've been really disappointed windows 11, you can no longer
scale down your desktop the way you used to. Do remember, it was
used to be real simple, you right click on the desktop, and
there was, you know, properties or whatever, and you could
downscale so you could make stuff really small and have all
this real estate that's gone. Now you can you can't go below
100%.
See, can you not go and find the actual resolution settings that?
Oh, no,
no, I'm at the res, I meant the highest resolution. But that
still gives me you know, basically. So I got a big screen
a 27 inch screen from Acer touchscreen. And I'll talk about
that in a second. And but you know, basically I just have a
giant windows, you know, like, with icons are as big as my
head. So you can you can scale that down. But it's still pretty
big. And I want it much, much smaller. And you think you used
to be able to do that. I remember doing that. Oh, yeah,
yeah, yeah, you can do that. And I'm sure you can't do it
anymore. You can't.
Isn't there and just grayed out? No,
no, there is not even there. You can you can scale up. You can
zoom in, but you can't zoom out. Which is weird. Yeah. It's And
besides that, this, that screen gave so much buzz and shit on my
microphones like this is a nonstarter anyway, and now I had
for some reason I have a buzz again. It's like, I know you
don't hear it, but I hear it.
No, I don't hear when it Where's this one coming from?
I have no idea. I have no idea. I don't know if it's the screen.
Let me see you sit over here. Yeah, it's it's everything. It's
everything. Just everything? I don't know. I blamed around me,
I blame the Germans.
Yeah. I mean, luckily, they're not here.
So not here. Not yet. Not yet. Now, we'll get to our guests in
a moment. So we're live, we're live. We are living the value
for value lifestyle. It's the brand new value for value is the
new international lifestyle. I don't know if you've noticed
that. This is this is my new mantra.
Every value for value into your life.
Yes. Once you we accept value for value into your life.
Everything changes the way you buy things, the way you evaluate
your actions. You're always looking for proof of work. Oh,
yeah, I'm getting really good at this.
You did this ago.
Man. Okay, so we had all kinds of stuff happening again this
week. It seems like ships on fire. We got all kinds of stuff
going on.
Cast dos cast is put put in the C cast has already had you where
you could put in your node key, your pub key, right in in there.
They also added in custom key custom value. So now you can put
it now you can do an lb wallet. Or
do they have one click in agreement? We should we'll find
out more later. But they have one click integration.
Negative no one click integration yet. That's that's
that's supposedly on the on the roadmap. Because math
just appeared overnight. I told you that we were seeing
competition in the hosting business again. It's really
beautiful. I love watching this,
you know, went back. I don't I don't always do this. But I went
back and listened to last week's show. And you said something on
there that I had sort of myth? No, no, it's not that you'd said
something there that I've kind of missed the first time around.
Yeah. And but I think you're I think you're dead on I think
what's happened? You You made the comment. It was something
like the hosting companies have been sort of all in the same
mark mindset of trying to produce dynamic ad insertion or
dynamic content. Let's just call it dynamic content because it's
not all ads. Um, There's been a big dynamic content push. Yeah.
And I think a lot of the hosting company brain power has been
tied up in trying to get that up and going from, you know, let's
just say I mean, from a competition standpoint, I mean,
there's everybody's doing it. So you really have to do that, too.
But then, you know, once that is, once that's done, and it's
getting to the end stages of that is becoming a thing that's
come out, not commoditized. But there's becoming a common thing
around the around the hosting, didn't didn't now you're like,
Okay, what do we do next? Right. And and what's next? Is this.
There's this big slate of podcasting 2.0 features that are
out there that are just sort of, I wouldn't say low hanging
fruit, because that implies that it's easy when it's not exactly.
But there's just this big repertoire to choose from, okay,
I have potentially 10 different features I can add, which which
ones do I want? And I think we're starting to see is, is
movement on those things?
Oh, absolutely. It's, well, maybe I should backtrack and say
how appreciative I am I, you know, considering my new
international lifestyle of value for value, and how appreciative
I am of where we are now. We're almost two years in, it'll be
Episode 100, or 104. I guess is that would we're close to you.
When did we start? We should we should track this down?
Never know this stuff? Don't
you have an installed log or something for the first first
machine that we brought out? The first RSS feed suckers?
Again, I can tell you when we got our first bill for Linode.
All right, yeah, that would that would be useful. Yeah, that that
would be about that. That would be right. So within two years,
and it doesn't feel like two years, it just feels like we
just been just getting started for some reason. It doesn't feel
like two years, but everybody who has participated everybody
who's supported the project financially, all the developers
everybody on podcasts index dot social people who contribute to
the GitHub. So you know, hosting companies podcasters interested
parties, no agenda nation. Just so many people are have have
brought us to where we are today. Where holy moly, I mean,
crap. We have integration, we have Interop We have people
integrating this into their workflows. There's talk about
it. I mean, I'm, I look at get alby.com and they have a whole
value for value explanation.
I love you better than ours. Yeah, hell
yeah. But and but this was also kind of the idea is like
podcasting markets itself. It's the podcasters talking the the,
the audiences listen, they participate, they get into the
game, they tell other podcasters. You know, that's how
it's always kind of supposed to supposed to work, and it does.
And I'm just blown away by it. You know, it's like, it's I've
had so many ventures in my life, by far, this is the most
successful, the most fun, and the most rewarding. The any, and
we're broke, of course, we're broke, but otherwise,
which well, I'll say that for our guests, because I want to
get their take on this as well. But now I think you're right.
There's, there's there's movement, I think, but in that,
because of what we talked about a while ago with the you know,
with the just the hosting paradigm and the way that they
move forward with things, but also think that there's
beginning to be a better understanding of what, and this
is probably probably this is part of just project maturity.
There is there's probably a I don't know this, for sure
certain, but I can imagine there's a there's a sort of
maturity curve that comes along with any open source project
that's long, this sort of a long term project like this. Sure,
sure. And so, you know, me and Utah, talked to some people this
week and had a really good conversation. And we did. We
did.
Oh, I remember, two days ago. Sorry, man, I'm on main monitor
hell, okay. COVID. Very long.
And so you were talking to them, and that this just came up in
that discussion, to where as we had to get some of these tags
and things features into the namespace that didn't at the
time look like they made. They didn't look compelling. Maybe
things like an alternate enclosure. And it's like, okay,
well, this thing's good to have. And it's an it's neat. And,
yeah, in a perfect world, it would be great. But I mean, I'm
really not going to spend any developer time on it. Because I
mean, who cares. But then, as the project matures, and you
begin to have these other layers that develop, so then you then
you go to things like the live item, right? With a live item.
Alter enclosure makes way more sense. Social interaction makes
way more sense. Medium makes way more, it's kind
of like we have like, we built this stack of stuff. And now
when you start to see the applications, like the LIVE TAG
come on top of it, that's where it all really comes together,
because we have all those those building blocks that we can just
pull from.
Yeah, yeah, I think so. And so you have to go through that sort
of dole period where you're building things that nobody sees
the the usefulness in, and then you put one piece in, and all of
a sudden, it all makes sense, right? And then in I think that
also delivers a level of trust to like, Okay, well, there was a
long term vision here, and that's what this we can trust.
And
what was that long term vision, Dave, now that we were starting
to show poverty, right? I don't think we had a defined vision
other than, well, exactly what we're doing is like, put
everything in that at least if there's an implementation, put
it in
the project. See that, and that's what's beautiful about is
the project itself has a has a vision that the individual
people itself can understand. The market, almost you could
call it a market, I guess. I think it's beautiful. It's a
beautiful. It's an emergent property man.
I would say that. It also took people a little while to
understand that there was such a thing, it's just an open
project. And yes, yes, you could just tap into it. And no,
there's no, there's no real registration, signup, fee, etc,
etc, it's value for value. And I think that that in combination
with the streaming value for value in the booster grabs, has
kicked off something bigger than, than I expected. That's
why I say the international lifestyle is with us.
I was thinking about this this morning about this is a this is
a difficult, but it's very Eros very rewarding. And it's been,
you know, and I'm encouraged by the success and things, but it's
also extremely difficult. Because I was having a
conversation back and forth on Twitter with Tanner Campbell
about value for value. And, you know, he was, you know,
aggravated about the low amounts of SATs and things like that.
And, you know, saying, you know, this value for value means I get
25 cents, you know, for my hard work with any of this visit
bullshit. And that, you know, the thing is, that's the part
that's difficult about it, is that this is the podcasting. 2.0
is not it's not a, it's not one piece of something. It's, it's,
it's code. It's, it's this show, it's the product, the community
of discussions that happen is the project management in the
GitHub. And then it's also this critical evangelism piece, where
you have to be constantly, like, explaining the vision and
explaining all these things. Because if you take any one of
those pieces out, the whole thing fails. And so it's it
really requires, like, that's, when I'm driving my truck. It's
a three on, you know, three on a tree. So it looks like it's like
an all when you're when you're driving that it's it required
every bit of you to maintain to maintain driving, you know, both
arms are working, both legs are working, you know, in you know,
you gotta stay you gotta stay fully engaged, or else you know,
the whole thing flops. Yeah, and that is what it feels like with
it's just, it requires all of it requires all of you to be
engaged, or else, it just fades, or it falls or flops in that
regard has been the hardest thing there's I've ever done.
There's also a an expectation, when in technology in general,
that it's just automatically works. And then the magic money
drops out the back end spits value for value, you just get
the fountain app, and it just works. You get money. No. And I
would have to see the exchange with Tanner. But this is this is
a downside of the comments that Fountain has implemented, which
by default are very low 10 SATs or maybe 20 SATs. So I think
someone who was just using it for the first time doesn't get
the same experience. Whereas if you integrate it into the you're
you're programming itself, and you have the feedback loop and
you ask for value in return for value, the numbers will be much
higher, but there's this instant gratification type, I just
connect to this I register I, I sign up, and I'm good to go. And
the money keeps the money drops in which I think people also
believe will happen with advertising. None of which is
true. So it's, it's so much more than just a bunch of
technologies it to me, it's upgraded podcasting, and the
whole concept of podcasting or the from the the interactivity
of podcasting. It's what people have been talking about for a
long time. It needs to be more interactive. Well, here it is,
but you do have to work at it.
See, that's the thing that I you know, you I think you nailed it,
because we you have there's the value for value philosophy, part
of it has been by far the hardest thing to explain to
people. Yeah, it's, it's a mind. It's a mind Twister. Because,
like, what Tanner was saying was, you know, essentially, you
know, this I have, I have a valuable thing here and in
people are, you know, this diva, the fact that somebody can give
me 25 cents, devalues the valuable thing that I'm giving
away?
Oh, that's fantastic. Because what he's doing is he is valuing
his own work very highly, which is, of course appropriate. But
he has no right to determine the value for someone on the other
end, he can't do that. Yes, he has no idea. And so he's forcing
this idea of how valuable it is, which is actually kind of
arrogant. But also this?
Yeah, that's what I told him. I was like, well, you you can't,
you can't determine somebody else's value. And he gave the
example of, you know, what about an art gallery or a lemonade
stand, you know, you can't just give that stuff away. But, but
the fact is,
those are physical products, it's a little different with a
digital product, like a podcast,
there is that. But there's also the fact that there's lots of
people that are never going to come, they're never going to
stop at your lemonade stand you right. And those are the people
those are the freeloaders, essentially, those are the
people that didn't value your your your product high enough to
pay you for it, it's just a little bit different here
because they can listen for free, if they want to. But the
the fact remains, the reason they're not paying you whether
it's lemonade or a podcast is the same and either in either
case, is they don't value you enough to pay you. They don't
value your product high enough to pay you and you can't change
that. You can't do it you you can't extract, you can't go into
value for value thinking that what you're doing is what you're
going to do is extract the value that you place on your show
exactly from the audience.
That's it doesn't work that way, believe me, I think I should be
making much more money in my own mind,
to all you can do, all you can do is is, is engage with your
audience in a way that's proven to help you extract the value
that they put in it. Because they if they value it, you can
help them understand that they need to give it back to you. If
they don't, they'll never give it back to you regardless.
Even if they find it valuable. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Anyway,
I want to talk more value for a value with our guest today in
the in the boardroom by the way. According to Burberry, the very
first episode of podcasting 2.0 came out on September 11 2020.
No way Yeah, about that. bombshell. bombshell.
Well, there you go conspiracy theory. I didn't even know it.
This is a great conspiracy theory.
I think so. It's an it's a new start a new project for a New
American Century.
A building seven. Yeah.
It was bringing our guest today they are new to the podcasting
scene and they just kind of burst on coming from the world
of the Lightning Network. Now integrated into rss.com Cast DOS
and many other podcasting 2.0 products please welcome. I
believe that two co founders of Alby Miko boomin and Moritz
Kaminski.
I ever everybody. Thanks for having me.
Hey, all right. Okay, so we have Michael you're also known as
Bhumi on on podcast index on social
that's that's me. Exactly. Mostly on the internet. I go to
me
Bumi and Morris, do we have a nickname for you? Oh, no, it's
just more words. or more.
Yeah, the Deutsche Mark. Okay, I like it. Perfect
Malema. Who does what who and Mo Mo is the money man and Bumi is
the programmer. Is that how this works?
Yeah, it's like this. So not really money, man. But I do a
lot of project management with the IV project.
Okay, I just thought you were some I thought you were like a
billionaire, and you just bankrolled the whole thing.
All right, now let's, let's get this set up, because all of a
sudden Alby came out, I heard about it actually from I think
Roy from breeze he said, Hey, these guys are doing something
interesting. It is, in a way, similar to what podcasting 2.0
has been using with LNP as an example, but you clearly have a
broader vision since you came from. You kind of entered the
market with your browser extension. Tell me how it
started. And then if you don't mind, how you guys found
podcasting 2.0. And kind of a brief history, I guess, of the
past year or so it doesn't seem that very that long, you've had
this up and running?
Yeah, a lot of things happen in a short period of time. Exactly.
So yeah, the brief history would probably be, I was always
excited about the idea of bringing value streams to the
internet, to interview. And I think that was missing. So far,
we couldn't transfer value the same way that we could transfer
information online. And this is when I actually also discovered
Bitcoin, and especially the Lightning Network, which was got
me excited because I think there, we now suddenly have a
protocol, like a system that makes this possible. We have
this programmable magic good. And that internet money now. And
the idea now is, what can we do with that? And what happens if
we bring that value stream to interactions that we do online?
And that's kind of the question and the idea that got me started
on coding and programming what later became lb, which was first
a browser extension, browser extension for that reason,
because if we want to bring this value stream to develop, I'm
interacting with the web is the process that we have to teach
the browser, basically, how to use the Lightning Network and
how to transfer value. And that's what we do with the
browser extension. And yeah, this is, this is how it started.
I mean, there have been a bunch of open source projects, doing
similar things, you know, we all Standing on the Shoulder of
Giants here. And a lot of things has happened in the, in the last
in the last year. And regards to podcasting, or podcasting, 2.0 I
think the pot like when I'd first discovered I don't
remember actually when I first discovered the podcasting 2.0
world. But I remember that I was as excited as when I first heard
about podcasting back then and RSS back then, like, I don't
know, 15 years ago, or whatever that was, and was blown away by
the innovation that we see there. And by the new tools and
the new building blocks that have been described there. And
especially the Yeah, obviously, especially the value tag,
because that's fits fits very valid to the idea that I just
described of, of transferring value from, from the listener
from the consumer to the, to the producer to the Creator. And the
way that you have a saying like the value for value lifestyle.
And yeah, that's how I think these things came together
to give me an idea of, of the operation itself, you just have
one giant node and you have your kind of your account management
system on top of that. How does it actually work?
I mean, one goal that we have is and you've been talking before
about building blocks, right? And I think slowly, we have all
these building blocks. We as a lightning community, we as a
podcasting 2.0 community, we have all these building blocks
and tools slowly together, that we can build applications that
we can get closer to the user and that we can build
application on top of that. And so our focus for sure is we want
to experiment with things. What can what we can build on top of
that, get to this application layer and also want to make it
easier for people to build applications there, but that's
kind of the goal. In the end, you want that every basic, every
web developer can build tools around there. And so the
usability is one focus that we have. Still, obviously, we want
to have it, that's the great thing. We want to have it
interoperable. We put it on this interoperable open network, we
have multiple nodes running. And what we also do, especially in
the extension, is that people can connect their own nodes,
right? So kind of we have this open, it's an open to it, right?
So we can either run it for you to get you started. Or if you're
like, a bit more advanced, and tools also make that easier to
do, you can run your own node. And yeah, I think that's the
beauty because it's, it's, it's open, it's inclusive. It's for
every spectrum of knowledge, user on on every spectrum, the
whole spectrum of knowledge can basically use it.
How does that work on the on the connector on Node side? So
because I see it, does the extension itself actually
communicate with with lnd? Through through G RPC or rest or
something like that? When you when you put that in there? Yes,
yes, exactly. Basically, we abstracted all the different
interfaces, and also tried to expose one common interface
there on the web. That's apple, and like the span of apple and
how a website integrates with this lightning there. And
basically, I think they have you did a bit of the heart to heart
work in writing all these connectors?
Yeah, that is a lot of hard work. Because you have I mean,
with with lightning, with lightning nodes. So at least
with lnd, there's one protocol, I think, see, lightning didn't I
don't think they even had a protocol until recently. Or like
an exposed API, correct me if I'm wrong, but I mean, pretty
much every implementation, even though they all speak a common
language on the Lightning Network itself, they don't all
speak the same language when it comes to interfacing with their
software.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's a lot of
hard work. You gotta respect from me, brother.
But I think this is, this is super important to understand
here that there is the ABI browser extension, this is what
we see one important building block when it comes to sort of
building the bridge between your private lightning wallet and,
and lightning application on the web. And then there is also the
IP wallet, but is more like your spendings account, right? And
you can use both together, if you want you can you connect the
RP wallet, to the browser extension, and then spend your
SATs online or wherever you want. Or you can also use the
ALI browser extension without the LV wallet. But then with
your own note in a noncustodial way and to be for us, it's just
important that the user has the choice how how to use the
browser extension. And we don't want to give them like, we don't
want to force them to do something this day. So they
should decide themselves. And well we can just do is we can
just build the best service for for them so that they don't have
any other reason to not use, for example, the the IV wallet,
because it's just so easy to use.
And more. Maybe this is appropriate question for you.
How are you guys structured? I know, do you have investors? Is
your own money? Do you have a timeline? A basically a plan? I
mean, it's what you're doing is phenomenal. And everyone was
kind of wondering how or when you'd like to make money, what
what is kind of the business background here.
So IV itself is like what started as an open source
project was, well, some some people came together, building
the building cool tools, good software together. And we are
also part of, for example of the Bitcoin design community, it's
really like part of a of a bigger, bigger ecosystem now.
But we also realized at some point that if we want to like
also contribute back to the to the open source community in a
way that is also like sustainable if or if we if we
want to provide service to users, this is something that is
very hard to do in a pure open, like open source funding status.
So that's why we also decided to to create an organization out of
Rb that is able to raise funds, for example, that is able to do
all the legal things that are needed for it. sample in order
to operate a custodial wallet in a compliant way. And that is
also able for example to, to earn some money to contribute
back, for example to to the users proper support systems, or
just to the open source community by, for example,
funding and giving bounties. And yeah, when it comes to to A to B
to business at the end, there also needs to flow in some some
some revenue, right. And to get there, we are thinking about
different different premium services on top. But we are not
yet there where we actually have this, like, very concrete
service that we that we want to charge for right now in done
that we can charge for an American confident way.
Right. And I guess the the big question, there is the
regulations. I mean, did you have any concerns? Do you have
any insight? The EU seems to be moving a little faster than the
US? I mean, what are your thoughts there for custodial
services like this?
Yeah, it's definitely challenging, especially for a
young organization. But there are ways to do that to solve
that. So it's not like that you have to apply yourself for
licenses, for example, but there are also partner companies out
there that help you to get to get these licenses. And this is
what we are currently working on with Adobe, for example,
starting with, starting with the US where we see a lot of
traction from from from from the user side, mainly, but then also
the next step for Europe. But yeah, I mean, regulations is
definitely a challenge and the dead that the problem is also
that they're constantly moving.
No one knows what they're talking about. Of course, that's
the confusing part. Oh, man, I'm so I'm so happy you guys came
into our life. This is this is it's beautiful. I mean, you just
out of nowhere, boom, you completely got the value for
value. Proposition. It's, it's really been mind blowing just as
this is pure, interrupt, right. This is what I love. We you
know, we didn't sign any agreements with anybody, no one
has contracts. It's just Oh, connect into the protocol and
Bumi. You're You're, you're good to go. Yeah, no,
I think that's the that's the beauty of it. The
interoperability is, I think, a key value here. Right? So cannot
be a ds ds applications that are interoperable. And people can
build the best tools for for their users. And yeah, as I
said, amazing. It's amazing to be here. And
how do you one thing I've been wondering is on the on the app
side, so what what a lot of apps are using right now is Ellen
pay. And Ellen pay seems to have although y'all there's more
interaction points, you'll have a bigger sort of
interoperability ecosystem for lack of a better term, where
you're having connectors between wallets and, and, you know,
outbound inbound these sorts of things. But I mean, from a from
a sort of, I guess, framework point of view, it seems it
sounds like it's still just a basic, like accounting layer on
top of on top of a node. And so from that standpoint, you could
do integrations directly, I would think you could do
integrations directly with the apps with podcasting apps and
that kind of thing so that they can, if a podcasting app wanted
to use you, instead of Alvie, instead of LM pay that that
should be doable. Is that right?
That's, that's doable. Yeah, I would go one step back here.
Again, I would mention one thought, or one idea that we're
following is that actually users can bring their lightning
wallet, their lightning accounts to applications, meaning that I
don't have to create on the different applications on the
different tools like on the different podcasting tools, for
example, different wallets, that I have to top up where I have
more than the money to spend or to receive, but that I have
accounts that have one account, and I can bring that account to
these applications. And that's also the beauty of
interoperability, I think, and that's a bit of a difference
that we have to route that we're that we're going
Ah, okay, so, you're looking more like Al b is your personal
I think, I think Mo said that your personal spending account.
Your spending wallet. And the idea is to basically interrupt
with as many applications as possible and have people use
Alby as their, as their, as you said as their spending account,
which is a huge responsibility for you guys actually.
Yeah, I mean, this is a bit the idea that that the
interoperability idea here, and that it's that that you
basically provide API's, but open API's. So we are building
on open systems here. So it's all interoperable. It doesn't
even need to be asked can be others to about ideas that, yes,
the user has a wallet connects that wallet to an application,
and that application can certainly interact with the
Lightning Network and do things there.
So So So are you saying that, let me let me make sure I
understand. So are you saying that if I, for instance, if I
know Steven B, I think he's playing around with hooking up
curio Kassar to lb if so, what I could Are you saying that I
could hook in my my lb account, excuse me. Let me restart if if
I could take my curio caster account and connect it to lb but
not necessarily connected to the lb. Wallet. But I could connect
it to my own node through lb as the as the proxy.
Not yet. But these are ideas exactly.
Okay, so because that that would be a beaut, that would be a
beautiful thing is to be able to spin you know, quote, unquote,
spin up a wallet in curio caster, which would be using
Alby but then But then pass through this connection to my
own node. So that I can say that I'm using albies API, but it's
really, it's really my own node. That's, that's an
actual idea. I like that. That's very cool. Yeah. And you
ended so then you've thought that you're on the roadmap for?
Totally, yes. I mean, that's what I what I mean a little bit
with when I say, Okay, you have your node, you have your wallet
already, we provide you one, yes. But we might already have
one. And you can connect that one. And there's that one, you
can bring that to all the different applications and use
that one in those different applications, to do whatever
these applications for the to, to receive, to send, and so on.
And yes, and obviously, the accounting layer that you talked
about. As I said, our focus is definitely on usability also.
And that's the easiest like to be the first thing to do, right,
if we want to onboard people, and we want to make it easy for
people to get on boarded. Right, we want to make it easy for
people for podcasters to integrate the value tag there to
receive this magic internet money. And but then it's also
about them, growing this that and having choice and having the
opportunity to do other things like that you're describing this
running your own node, but the goal would be to have this one
single API, the one day interoperable API there.
And then we've seen this like with rss.com, for example. And
the big shout out to Al fiato. Because he really pushed a lot
to implement that. He that that's, that's a great example
of how quick it can be implemented, and how nice it
actually works at the end for the user. With just two, three
clicks, and, um, you have a value for value, wallet on
rss.com. I think this is, I guess, something that that is
sort of an innovation definitely in this in this space, and has
not been so easy. Before, especially when you think
further because this wallet that you now have that you created on
rss.com, you can actually also use somewhere else. And these
things together. I think it's super interesting for users.
So how, how well do you sleep at night? How much do you help? How
much do you wake up at three o'clock in the morning and
wonder if your node is going to crash and that kind of thing?
Because this is not for this is all new technology and it's not
for the faint of heart? Are you is that is that stressful on
your life?
I mean, it's not just the two of us, right? We have a we have a
great team together with us working on it. And they are
they're experts in this field.
Because you know Tim Kay from LMP I'm sure you all know him.
You know he's had stressful times with his node as well and
he runs a large node for L and PE and you I know he's called us
before and been, you know, been stressed out about some bug
within lnd that's causing him, you know, sleepless nights and
that kind of thing. So I just wonder about how how hard that
is on you running a service like this,
the thing that that beekeepers actually if I go to the casting,
I know GitHub repository and see all the ideas there and all the
chats with all the innovation happening. And all these these
ideas are there of the things that we can build. This is
actually what keeps me
Germans don't give a shit Dave, it's obvious. And like, and we
don't care regulations, regulation. Yeah, they just do
stuff. Yeah, time shmup time. I'm looking at this and like,
man, if these guys go down, podcasting is over.
So here's one, here's one thing, we throw this at you. We've been
talking about this thing, the Verify tag, and I'm starting to
move on it right now. And we're, it's it's a, it's a way to it,
you'll, you'll see why I'm bringing it up here in a second.
It's a way to verify ownership of a feed. So currently, you
know, as this old school methodology of your your email
address is in the XML of the feed. And if you're going to
prove, let's say, if I want to connect my feed, if I want to
prove that I'm the owner of a feed, claim, my feed on some
third party website, I need to that that that service has to
read my email address, send me a code and my email, I gotta get
the code or click the verification link to prove on
the owner of that email account, blah, blah, blah. So there's
this, there's this back and forth email handshake that goes
on? Well, there's a strong push right now I'm in podcasting to
get the email addresses out of the feeds. It doesn't bother me
so much, but you know, whatever. But I understand that there's a
better way. And the so this this way is this coming up as the
Verify tag and puff magic fingers. On the GitHub, he wrote
this big, this big, well thought out, solution for this based on
based on a handshake and call and URL callbacks. Ultimately,
verifying that you are the owner of the feed through a J through
a gentle JSON Web Token through a J WT that gets delivered to
the service to prove that you are the owner. So my thinking on
this was number one is a good idea. And number two, it can
solve another thing that we've been wanting to do, which is
open subscriptions. So if people want to, if people want to put
their content either behind a paywall or, or want to just have
a subscription mechanism, that's not tied to something like like
PayPal, for instance, I quote, quote, unquote, subscribe to
multiple shows now through just a cron job key sent. It's really
it's really stupid. But I just have a cron job set up to send a
designated payment every month. And that's my way of subscribing
so that if I forget to listen to the show, or if they get behind,
I don't want to miss boosts sending them a boost. And so if
we have this open subscription thing, it could use a similar
model where there's a handshake that happens between the the
podcast app and the podcasters posting platform that says,
Okay, are you are you going to subscribe to this and you say
yes. And then it delivers a JW T to you proving that you are that
you've paid or you're a subscriber to to the to the
show. I see this being sort of in the Alby wheelhouse I mean, I
think that y'all something like an hour be service could be a
way to to accomplish this y'all can y'all could be a broker
through Elon URL or something like that. What do you have any
thoughts on this?
That's amazing. And these are exactly the things that keep me
keep me up at night. But totally, I mean, you describe
the crunch up and I think subscription service
subscriptions. We are we have the chance now we are moving
more to be having smarter wallets more or less, that
basically has had the decision of how much you want to pay and
how often you want to pay on time is put on the user side on
the listener side. And the wallet tool there then handles
the payment automatically. like you did with Mr. Crunch up at
basically any any lightning wallet could could do that. And
if he now integrate that, again, as you're saying this the
identity part, then bam, we got we got open subscriptions,
right. It's
gonna be fun when when you do a substack version of this,
there's going to be some substack service that's going to
plug right in. It's fantastic. Yeah, yeah. Oh, man, we're
taking over the world here
is it? Yes. Everybody
didn't. So we'll just get kick kicked off a substack. I forget
who it was like, Whoa, I haven't heard of anyone. Yeah, someone
got D platformed. From sub like a kind of a mainstream person
too. Because I guess stripe does their processing. It always
comes down to the processor.
Yeah, yeah. That's the ultimate thing. Yeah.
Wow, this is very exciting. And all of a sudden, I'm seeing a
bigger world. That's, that's possible. Of course, I'm sure
there's a lot of pushback. People say, Well, you know, what
should all it should all be decentralized? Have you looked
at any of these things like Project Greenlight which kind of
have this hybrid model of, you know, you have your keys, yet?
There's some kind of listener function in the cloud?
Yes, and I think that's also what I wanted to emphasize on
before is there are great technical tours coming up to
make this more open, decentralized, but we're all
building on the open, like on the interoperable Lightning
Network anyway, so the options are completely there. Right?
Even if you're not there, maybe yet, just now. We might be there
tomorrow. And you know, SDK, Greenlight, all these things are
great ways, great progress to make these things possible.
Do you guys have jobs? Do you? How do you how do you live?
Clearly not from Albie yet?
No, but yeah. So I was a software engineer that
freelancing the last year basically, but I've been
focusing on audio since a more than a year now. So yeah, that's
that's the that's the day and night job right now.
Oh, okay. All right. Nice. Well, you've dedicated a lot of time
when it has to become
sustainable. So but yes, right now, this is the situation.
How about tomorrow? More it? Do we lose more words?
And they will get tired of the show?
I don't know he's here. How about you, Morris? Do you have a
day job where you also have the
show? Also, I'm also working full time on RV.
That's very dedicated gentleman. I think this is fantastic. And
we're so so proud and happy to have you to be associated with
you in the podcasting. 2.0 family.
Yeah, thanks. For thanks, thanks a lot for for talking so much
about value for value. I think we cannot. We cannot like Tell,
tell more people about that. It's important, I think, the
potential what what is what, what what we can build on and
build actually with, with all these tools that are available?
Now? I think it's incredible. It's up to us basically, what or
to all the to all the creators out there to think of greater
ways of interacting with their audience. That's, and I'm
really, really, really curious how this will turn out in the
next month.
It's I think there's things that are going to happen and ideas
that will come to fruition that we can't even think of right
now.
Hmm, what what are you? What are you doing around Ellen URL off?
Because that's a and a scene, you're doing some work on that.
And that's the thing that we're going back to something that you
said Bhumi a while ago. I see. I think you're right, you are
touching on the fact that there are things being done with at
least I think this is what you were saying there are things
being done within lightning that are beyond just monetary. And
don't I think I think this is an I think it's new for Bitcoin,
just talking on a Bitcoin perspective for just a minute. I
mean, Bitcoin has never you know, there's there's been
there's been the scripting language within Bitcoin in this
been able to do some things, but there's never been this culture
around like there has been with something like Aetherium or
these other blockchain you know, things where there's been this
sort of additive feature set on top of it that can do other
types of things. But now that now we're seeing things like
lightning addresses, Ellen URL off. You know, these you know,
who knows what will happen with Tarot, but there are things that
are out there, lightning can do that. Open up A broader set of
features. What? What are your What are your What are your
thoughts on that?
Yeah, totally. I think we there's Bitcoin we have like the
best monetary network, and we have this great foundation is
very stable foundation. And now we have these building blocks to
come to a more, more closer to an application layer, where we
can build these things. And we have like, ln, well, ours, we
have, like lightning addresses, as you say, that are those
building blocks that we can now combine into different
applications. Right. So I think we will see that I will see
maybe we'll see much more specifically this island well
asked of VSD, I think this any application or anything that
you're doing, at some point, you will have some sort of a need
for some sort of identity, you won't identify the user, you
have some kind of an account or you or something like that.
There's a bit you post a switch, you log in, and so on, with
which you see your details. And, and, and, and I think there's
only new laws, for example, is just that it's a it's a best
specification, how you can do that with your keys that you
already use this your lightning account.
Yeah. Yeah, bring it bring up something that, that Alex Gates
had developed a while back called the Java version, I keep
calling it Java. I mean, JSON payment token is basically
underwritten, you know, like a derive derived version of JW T,
that provides a proof of payment of a lightning payment. And
that's the that's the thing that's that's missing. So think,
like, once you have these pieces in place, you really can do
identity verification, in a way that makes a lot of sense and
doesn't tie you to, you know, a centralized provider.
Shall we? Oh, go ahead. Please. Go ahead.
No, I'm the experiment was that too. There was also LSAT, be
currently around LSAT there, which I think tries to do
similar things. I haven't looked into the testing part there. But
yeah, in the end, it also comes down back to the to the
subscription part, right where you can say, Okay, I'm
subscribing like I'm having this proof that I'm sending you value
basically, which is already basically an application on top
of that.
Let's thank a few people who have been listening live and
have been have been sending us boosts and some of them are
worthy of mentioning I would say this of course, is a value for
value program value for value projects. And Steve Webb, the OG
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This boost is what I've earned through listen to earn from
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shy of 50k love these live shows earlier you spoke of low hanging
fruit tags. One that is deceptively so is the license
tag. I'd like to use it but that is legalese. And there be
dragons. Any recommendations on a license that says basically
share and share like all of these licenses? Heck even look
at Project Gutenberg Gutenberg seem as friendly as a bag of
broken glass. What's a podcaster to do looking forward to Dallas,
go podcasting?
Oh, podcast. You're the man to ask about this because you've
had experience in this in licensing? Well,
there was always a discrepancy or a different viewpoint the way
I think James Cridland who drove this originally, what he thought
the license would be for and what what I thought the license
would be for there was also some question of should you use the
license tag to display licenses that you that you own? Such as
you know, I have a Performing Rights Organization license in
this podcast. That's one way but I think what you're looking for
is just to protect your own content. I like the Why can't I
think of it now? What is the what is the the copyrighted?
Should I defend it in court? I can't remember it a common
Creative Commons. Thank you. Sorry. Yeah, creative. Yes.
Creative Commons has a lot of options. I've used it and I've
also defended it successfully in court. So Creative Commons would
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Martin has been quite the supporter. He's boosting all
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through fountaining says, when fed a mint comes out, how easy
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I sent this to you, I sent you this link Fetty meant
Yeah, I didn't understand much of what I was reading.
It seems like it's a a different version of a way to route
payments, kind of like lightning only on chain and there's some,
some trust involved it the whole idea was very compelling. But I
agree. It's like my eyes at a certain point like whoa, okay.
And I'm glazing over here. I can't I just couldn't figure it
out at a certain point.
I was trying to read it when I was in the mindset of the Verify
tag and it just was like, Yeah, you can't do that now. Eject.
Eject?
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change the term pimp.
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5150 SATs through fountain he says another great show guys too
bad everything went way over my head. You still appreciate all
the hard work and knowledge you give.
All right, man. Thank you very much. Yeah, we I tried to bring
us back down to earth. It's way over my head too. Sometimes. So
okay,
that's that's usually usually it's usually the fault. I blame
booster grams.
It's no one's fault. It's there's a lot of people who do
dig it
anonymous and it's 5000 SATs to cast ematic and whoever
Anonymous is thank you Mike Newman from podcast index sucks
that social for your help. Oh wait you gotta we got
we got Mike Mike. We got we got Mike's booster Graham Cool.
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no way to do it.
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comrades and it's 33 SAS is love to see my podcasting worlds
collide. Nice. Like it. Steven basin is 1000 Sastra curio
caster Of course. And he says curio caster Alby Wallet API
integration test boost UI which await Okay, he threw in some
German did did they do it you Tritton in dinars? Yeah, okay.
I'm not gonna get that but me. Yeah, no.
Thanks, Steven V. Dirty divorce. sounded like it was going to be
dirty. Yeah, the money you get are the you know?
Okay. Always fun for this. For the mono lingual guy. Todd
Cochran sent us 10k sets and he says simple boost.
Received. Thank you very much. Yep.
And Mike Bell said his 1234 sets and he says, Did I beat Todd?
Oh, right. Yes, you did. You did, actually. Because the
timestamp is preceding Cole McCormick. 111 11. Wait, that
that number doesn't make any sense. 1111 How about that? He
says, I'm becoming a better podcaster and a better booster
because of this show. Listen to America. Plus, you will get 2000
SATs for a listen. Oh, well.
Oh, okay. How does that work? How does? How does that he sent
us 1111. But if we listen to his show, we get 2000.
Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. I
know, just one marketing perspective, from a marketing
perspective. You should send us 2000 And say anyone can get to
I'm just trying to help out here. I gotcha. Yeah. I wonder
how he does that. Is that is that a fountain promotion or
something?
I don't know. Maybe he just doesn't do his show. Yeah. Okay.
Cool. Let us know how you're doing that. Yep. Brown of London
in the hot Dao. Yay. 43,000 210 sets and he says, And now for
your regularly scheduled $10 contribution from Brian of
London. Yes, thank you, Brian of London. Appreciate that, Brian,
and thank you for your help troubleshooting all of the pod
pain things. Yeah. couldn't do without you and Alex, everything
everywhere. That's scary aren't our buddy 100,000 SATs
found through the fountain app, he says it's been a few weeks,
so I figured I should make up for lost time. Looking forward
to your session in Dallas. And I hope other people in the
industry show up as well. Learn I learned something new every
day, Gary aren't the everything everywhere daily podcast,
this Dallas thing is going to be so interesting. We're gonna have
to go at triple speed. You have 30 slides you said?
No, that was just the other day. I'm up to 40 No, no, you
can't did no Dave. It's not gonna work. You can't do 40
slides.
No, this is this is just how
you this is your process. Okay. Yeah, I
put in way more than I had. And then I start paring it down. I'm
thinking I get to around 20.
Yeah, okay. I don't have I don't have any slides.
We'll see. I don't have your I don't have your skill set. I
can't just walk in and like off the cuff or a DJ for 25 years.
I'm willing to do that.
I didn't mean it like that. You're very good talker.
You can't you have you do I mean you can just walk in with a
sheet you know, with something that has like three lines on it
and just talked for like an hour. I can't do that. Again. I
guess so much prep material.
Okay. Well, I got 15 minutes. Right. I get I get 15 minutes
and then and then you take the rest right? Yeah, I'm gonna
guess what is what is it? 45 minutes. Whew. 45 minutes.
Sessions are ridiculous. Seems really short.
It did seem short to me. I was expecting an hour but no, no,
no, no. Okay, let's go over we get to train an entire industry
paying.
No, it's like, I know exactly how I'm going to Hi, everybody.
I know why you're here. You want to know how you can make money
in podcasting? Well, let me tell you, I'm going to make you so
rich. You'll be able to leave your wife so rich, you're going
to be from this podcasting experience that sit right down
everybody it's going to be great.
You went to a full carnival barker there for I don't know
what happened. Blueberries and a 17,770 success and he says I
went to the Franklin Institute go science infill yesterday. And
while playing with some plasma balls, and that was my nickname
in high school back there came another idea. We've been using
GIFs for all of our show art forever. What if there's a way
we could send just back to the IRC chat. When booster grams
come in? I like it. I like it. It can be done using boost bot
unique Joe could pop up in the chat for different boost
amounts. IRC takes a show from a podcast to a full production Eat
your heart out YouTube Super Chat.
Yeah. So he said go science. Is that what he said? Yeah,
shut up already. Science. Lyceum sent us a high five booster
gram. Oh, is this the one you read a while ago? That's the one
I read. Yeah, okay. Okay. All right. Cool. We got overlap
here. Alright, so the delimiter
is gotta be here. Hmm. Fountain.
He sent us 15,033 Sassy says Howdy, Dave and Adam. Apart from
news items, and knowledge corner, we added history corner
to our podcast about artificial intelligence. So please enter in
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All right, everybody good showing. Good showing for
strong, strong, very strong. Thank you. It's been it's been a
delight to see the transition from Fiat fund coupons to sound
money. we've transitioned and y'all have done that. Thank you
so much for, for doing that. That's it's a mind boggling
thing. Value for value. It's the new international lifestyle,
you're soaking in it right now enjoy it, you too can be a part
of it for your own podcast. We're showing you exactly how
it's done. And this project is running on it. Really appreciate
that. Value for value for for Michael and Moritz. You guys
consider that as a business model? Are you just going to
stick with kind of the the the premium feature or charging for
it? Did you have thoughts on that on the value for value for
yourselves?
Definitely. So we will be happy to also accept some value
streams from the extension users, for example, to all the
developers that that work The extension that will be awesome.
Yeah, for sure I you know, I do need. If you don't mind if you
can email that to me, I need a wallet ID from from one of you
because we'll put you in the split for today's show for sure.
Just so you can have that wonderful experience. Have you
ever been in a podcast split before? Where you see it just
just coming into your node?
Yeah, not really, in the podcast split. I created some like test
podcasts. And someone coincidentally, discovered it on
Taunton. And suddenly I had I don't know, like 25 or 40
booths.
And it's just fascinating. It's fun. Yeah,
cuz you'll get our booster grams too. Yeah. Okay. So send me your
semi whatever your your addresses that that you want
to use. Like lightning address, you can just use the Hello at
get lb.com address. The other details I can send after
Yeah, just said just send that in. In Email. That'd be great.
Yeah, I don't think a lot of maybe some people don't know
that that that lb if you use Alby as your as your podcast or
wallet, you can you can see all your booster grams and
everything there in the in the web interface. Right.
Exactly, yeah. Okay, so
you've got the like a helipad features in there. So you can
you can see the booster grams as they come in.
Exactly. This is also something that we, for example, expose
through the API, to, for example, a podcast hosting
service who wants to integrate an AVI Wallet. So nice, right
now, for example, what rss.com shows is the balance that you
have in the RB wallet, and also the number of booster grams that
you received. But it's thinking further on, I think that's also
what they're working on, is, for example, all other directly show
all the booster grams that a podcaster receives on the
dashboard, on their dashboard on rss.com. And I think it's,
that's that's just another way to keep the podcaster on on on
your service, basically, because you do, we would not have to
switch to our log into the IP wallet separately. If you
already have all the information available on the dashboard of
this particular hosting service, there's something
else that that we talked about in the real way in the
beginning, and it's come up from time to time and you guys could
actually implement this, it would be wonderful as a
podcaster. To be able to see a graph a chart over time, that
shows me people listening. So they're streaming SATs, you
know, whatever, you know, the per minute streaming sites, I'd
love to see that aggregated in a in a graph by episode. So I can
see at what point people stopped listening, or when would less
people are listening or more people are listening, right
there on the timeline, I'd love to see, oh, here's a boost so
that I can mouse over see the boost to gram click, and I can
hear exactly what was being said, no one has done that yet.
But they're going to and I think you guys could lead the way and
facilitate that.
Yeah, I think that's a great idea here. Because it's at the
end boosts are such a great indication of value. Like Like,
just with real value, the moment that you really see okay, what's
the interesting moment for my audience or not? Exactly.
Analytics are on our roadmap. Darius?
Cool, what else? That's great.
Do you have other analytics or stuff that you're that we
haven't talked about that you're on that are on the roadmap?
Funnily enough, actually, yesterday, somebody was also
listening, I think, showed me some of the things that you just
talked about this the analytics and the graphs using the API
dependent on data and graphs, graphs, it's on our charts on
some, yeah.
Who was this mystery person? We gotta go figure out who's doing
that shit. I love it.
Boy. Boy. We need the I think that a lot of this data is that
people have not discovered yet what a rich amount of data this
is. So when when you find that out and figure out okay, well,
you know, per minute boosts or Beano street streaming level
boost and big N single boost and these kinds of things. I mean,
there's a lot of there's a lot of information that you can
glean from all that and see the hosting companies will want to
They will want that eventually they'll want to have that
information. I started thinking about this the other day when
the rss.com Did the lb integration. And then we saw
Castillo's looking at doing. They expanded their, their,
their wallet parameters to accept the custom key custom
value, and they're planning on doing an integration. And then
you had just just cast did a did anatomy integration. I started,
we started when we saw this flurry of integration happening,
I started to think it, you know, it's good, because hosts,
hosting companies are sort of embracing their role as less
pushers of monetization strategies, and a lot of the
hosts take that take that responsibility very seriously.
They, they say, okay, one of our roles as a host, is to really
help our podcasters that want to monetize to help them monetize.
And we they take that seriously by doing things like medium,
dynamic ads, they do consulting a lot of times, I know, Todd
Cochran does a lot of that, where he talks one on one with
people in trust to come up with a game plan to help them
monetize when they when their audience gets to a certain size.
So they take that role very seriously. And in this, the
value value stuff is a natural fit for that with with these
Alby integrations, because like, it's you lucky as a host, you
have a very big responsibility to say, Okay, here's a way you
can monetize, or here's where you can make money. And here's
this other way, you can make money. Here's another way and
another way. And another way, it's like, it doesn't have to be
the value for value and streaming says, they don't have
to be the only way you make money. But it, but it is a piece
in and you don't just you don't look at it away as Okay, here's
five ways I can make money. I'm just not going to do three of
them. Like that doesn't make that doesn't really make any
sense. And the perfect example of this is a guy like Jack, Jack
reciter from darknet diaries. I mean, that guy has every single
way you can make money nailed. I mean, he's got he does. He's
doing ads. He's doing booster grams. He's doing me like
literally everything. And I was like Chris Fisher to there. He's
adopting all these different ways in it doesn't make in. I
see that as a hosting company, being a good steward of their
customers to say, Okay, here's this other new way of making
money that just popped up. Let's make sure that that's available
to you guys. Just make sense to me. Ah,
the week comes to an end and I'm overwhelmed.
Yeah, that's this was a bit. This was a crazy week.
It really was what it was anything else? We need to talk
about that? I know you've been shoring up some of the tags?
Yeah. I mean, we just finalized the block tag yesterday. As of
yesterday. Yes, yes. Yes, it was yesterday. So you may just go
over okay. Yeah, sure. Okay. So the bite, bite bite tag is
formalized. And we've we've worked on this for a long time,
and finally got it into a way that I think we can all agree
with. It's a it's a simple, it's a very simplistic tag. And part
of the problem was I was overthinking it. And I was
trying to make a you know, we had this sort of complicated way
of doing like a reverse exclusion list and all this kind
of stuff and right, and magic fingers. Which I gotta find out
this guy's real name. He's French. That's
the French guy. Yeah. Yeah. French. Yeah.
The he, he kept say he kept sort of, he's like, Nah, that's just
not right. It was too complicated, too complicated. To
finally I think we finally worked it out to where, I guess
sort of got his his idea. And what he was saying was, you
know, just make it where you have multiple tags available in
the feed, you can put multiple block tags in. Here's, here's
the way it goes. If we're trying to maintain backwards
compatibility with the iTunes block tag. So you put the block
in the podcast block tag, if you have in your feed something this
is podcast, podcast blog, yes. If that's the tag, then it
operates just like what people assume that the iTunes blog tag
does now, which is blog everything. This is essentially
a private feed. I don't want anybody any services ingesting
it and showing it publicly. It's It's not meant for public
consumption. Got it. That's the baseline. Now the iTunes tag
doesn't actually mean that we've
gone over this before, right? But this is what this will mean.
Yes,
yes. This is what everybody thought it means. So that's what
this this formalizes that. Then you have podcasts blog. No,
that's the same as the blog tag just not being present at all,
again, just like the iTunes, right, right. Then you can have
an ID and optional ID attribute. So you can say podcast block, id
equals, and the name of the service. Now, there's a slug
list involved, which I don't, I'm not crazy about. But it's
just as we, we really could not figure out a way to make it less
complicated. You're
always going to need a slug list, I guess. Or some version
of it. Yeah, yeah. Cuz
we thought about doing like TLD or not TLDs. But like a domain
names. Like, like, if you wanted to blog Google, we say
google.com. But But honestly, if the if the service. Like, if the
company has multiple properties, you'd have to be doing multiple
domains. And if they change their name, their domain name is
probably gonna change anyway. So it just it's like at the end of
the day, it was just okay slug list. And we'll just keep it
will add to it it's a public repo people can add themselves
to it, blah, blah, blah. So you can say, podcast block with a
node value of Yes, and an ID equals Google or ID equals
Amazon you
can have multiple times you can have multiple of those for the
all the different services you want to block.
Right? Okay, so you want them in you can do the opposite. Also,
you can say, podcast block with a value of No, and the idea is
Google or Amazon or Spotify or Apple or blah blah blah. So the
way the weights you can combine these you can say you can have
one block you can have a block tag a generic general block tag
of Yes. Meaning block everything and then you can follow that up
with block ID Google No, Block ID Amazon No. So you can have
three block tags one of them is does not have an ID and just
says yes, that means block everything the Google and Amazon
IDs have no so those will be open. Those will be open means I
want to block everybody except Google and Amazon. If you if you
flip flop and say no and say only include ID Google yes and
Amazon yes, that means block don't block anybody except do
block Google and Amazon. So it basically it sounds more
complicated.
No Yes, it makes total sense. You can set it up however you
want you have any any any version of combinations I love
it sounds perfect. It's approved
podcast so you can just like as a host or as a platform I mean
as a service that wanting to ingest this feed all you got to
do really is just say it you just go through a sequence and
say does does pod does podcast does does the block tag exists
with my ID in it right and then what it was either a yes or no
yes say about my if it does then I'll just follow the rule there
and ingest it or not based on what it says if I if I'm not
specifically called out in the feed you're good to go and just
follow I just follow the general tag and if there's a yes in
there I don't ingest it if there's nothing in there or no I
do ingest it. It's pretty simple. Beautiful ingestion
beautiful. Another another element is in the books Yeah, I
can't wait to use it. I can't wait for it to show up and curio
caster so I can put a big Spotify equals no everywhere.
This is what gets you in trouble.
Oh, no, no, no, I've been waiting. This is I've been
waiting for it. I'm good for this. I like it. A couple other
ones I want to put no on. You've given me an evil tool. Dave
Jones.
Yeah, that's what this is all about. That's what the whole
project is about is creating evil tools.
I want to thank our guests in the board room today. Moritz
Kaminski and Michael boomin from Alby get lb.com guys thank you
so much for being here for spending time I know that you're
so what is it there? You're running on about nine o'clock
now.
It's actually nine o'clock
no worries now it's a pleasure to be on the show with you
and and make sure that anything you you're already on
podcasting, Rockstar social too but anything anything you need
let us know anything you got to promote any new anything. Any
new things you have let us know this is it's your board. It's
your board meeting too. And we appreciate having you in the
group in the in the project is really really cool to have you
here. Let's keep building Yes, keep building indeed. Mr. Jones?
Yes, sir. Anything anything else?
Now I'm just gonna I've got some programming to do hopefully this
weekend and get some things done and then
Before you know we're off to Dallas.
Yeah, yeah, I got it. I got 20 slides to get rid of.
That's right. I've got to learn how to speak at 1.5 speed
everything's gonna be beautiful. Yeah. All right, everybody have
a great, great weekend. Dave, Miko and mauve. We'll see y'all
soon.
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