Adam curry, John C. Dvorak.
Oh yes, it's time once again for your weekly bi weekly Gitmo
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That's London. From an undisclosed hotel location. I'm
Adam curry.
And from where it rained last night with huge drops Wisconsin
sized ones here in Northern Silicon Valley and John C.
Dvorak. Greg Baden
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it's not quite in the morning, but it's morning so always in
the morning and morning somewhere that correct Hey,
Johnny, how you doing?
So we really rained here last night woke me up twice it was
this just a spotty rain, but it wasn't normal rain. It was these
I thought it was hail. It was so loud. And there was a lot of
electricity in the air so the drops got really huge. I've
never seen drops this big at four in the morning or any other
time. Oh,
BJ Thomas out I got him somewhere. Hold on.
Anyways, pounding and then stopped him. It's just amazing.
But it's going to rain again tonight. They think it's like
weird to be raining in northern Silicon Valley here in June.
Hold on here comes you know, all you have to do is ask and thou
shalt receive. Rain
wasn't falling on my head. But anyway. So lots of news in the
last few days. Yes. Can I Can I just find it good start with
what do I start with? I want to start with the airline crash
because you must have some thoughts on that.
Yes, I do. And if you don't mind, I'd like to give you a
little personal story from today related to aviation before we go
to the Air France. Airbus our aerobars right wasn't Airbus?
Yeah. Today I was. Yeah. I was flying back from the Netherlands
to to London. And it was actually it was a very nice day.
And weather was supposed to be perfect. Or as they say cab,
okay, which means ceiling and visibility. Okay. And I was at
flight level five zero, which is, you know, technically 5000
feet coming up coasting in right to the was that north of beam of
Manston, so that's a little bit more North northern than Dover.
And so I'm coasting and I see the weather. It's just like
completely closing in. And it's not just clouds. It's really,
it's some, it's almost like the convection layer just all of a
sudden, like expanded and really went down to like 1500 feet. So
I'm coming from 5000 feet and I'm like, Okay, I can't see
anything. So I'm going down. I'm descending, about 1000 feet a
minute. And, and all of a sudden, so you know, I break
through this muck this murkiness at about 1500 feet. And all
sudden, I hear a rescue helicopter. And the rescue
helicopter is talking to Manston and said, Well, you know, we're
looking for a lost aircraft. Can the Nov 277 Delta share, give us
a hand because I was pretty much the only guy in the air. So they
had to be monitoring the emergency frequency and actually
doing search and rescue to find some experimental ultralight
that they had lost. They couldn't do that. They'd lost
radio contact with it. And they had to be type checking the
ground and making all these different manoeuvres. I was
like, wow, I didn't find anything, unfortunately. But
just thought that was it was, in a way kind of exciting. And
another way kind of like a bummer. But it was yeah,
like I said, Yeah, well, that's interesting that they, when you
do that, say, here's a question. So you say you're flying around
like that. And the search and rescue rescue operation comes up
on your radio says you have to help us or can you help us or
you? Somehow you help them? Yeah, and you go flying around
for something and you burn off? Like let's say $500 worth of
fuel.
That's a big search a restaurant buddy. It's interesting you say
that because I was talking to Captain Dan, who's the guy who
is a certified instructor and who flies with you from time to
time in the UK. And he said that he has always been advised by
examiner's In fact, when they asked you to participate in
search and rescue to just either not respond or say that you
can't and I said why Ted, you know, isn't really clear, but
people do say stay away from it. I'm like, That makes no sense.
You know, someone could be in frickin trouble. So you know,
obviously I didn't have to comply and they they asked very
nicely and you know, that seemed like I was pretty much the only
guy up there so yeah, of course I hope someone would be looking
for me if I was in trouble so no,
Captain Dan explain his rationale. No, it's not his
rationale is what he what he's been told. And he said no, I
wouldn't reject a request like that. So
somebody must know why and they get sued is like one of those
things where you going i
i have a feeling it has something to do with legal
implications. But regardless, I You know, I asked him to think
to find out why. And he promised he would. But yeah, and of
course, I, you know, I didn't have time to doodle around all
day, but they gave me a specific area. And so there's a lot of
fields there a lot of opportunities. There's no
airfield except for Manston. So this was really a little bit
more towards Canterbury. And they had me on radar and they
were literally given me vectors, you know, the CIO telling me
which direction to turn and I went down to like 700 feet 600
feet, and I didn't see anything. But it was it was kind of
interesting. So going back to the Airbus because I did talk to
the guys in the tower as I was waiting for a car to come and
pick me up and you know, because I told him the story of the of
the The ultralight, the experimental ultralight. And I
said, wow, you know, little plane gone big plane gone
yesterday, and I said, you know, what is all this BS about
lightning strike, you know, that's, that's so rare that you
could actually have a plane crash. And they had done some
research. And they had followed the flight path, but you have to
understand that where this aircraft was, there was no radar
contact. But of course, these planes are jammed with what
jammed with Windows Vista, specifically Airbus and but lots
of equipment so they really can avoid bad weather. But there
were there were really was an entire storm system up to 45,
maybe even close to 50,000 feet, but certainly up to the 45,000
feet level. That was right in its flight path. And I'll tell
you one thing that you do not want to fly into essentially
cumulus Nimbus clouds, and at any time, because
the Nimbus is a nasty cloud, but I understood that there was a
Lufthansa flight within the same range and same flight path that
ploughed through all this stuff,
you know, and it's hard to say because the guy essentially he
was he was climbing, so he might have been climbing through it
and it can be tricky, you know, it's hard sometimes it's hard to
see now. My personal feeling is that this feels it sounds a lot
like the continuing war between Airbus and Boeing you know it's
just like Let's blow it was time it was time for an Airbus to
come down so it's too bad but tomorrow I'm flying on on on a
Boeing 747 to San Francisco so I hope to God that it's not the my
aircraft isn't isn't by you.
What 747 Are you taking a few 747 flights nowadays
no no Virgin Atlantic takes has to have Airbus but for the for
the big crossing the US Civil
War I think to 747 is the greatest plane in the world is
the end it you know what sheet metal and rivets baby no plastic
on that sheet metal and rivets love it. So there are a couple
other theories I think still there I actually I have the
article here. I'm sure you heard about this that apparently there
was a bomb scare the day before. Let me just see if I can no I
didn't hear about that. Yeah, I'm looking for it. Hold on.
Officials investigate Argentina bomb threat is pilot claims Air
France flight 447 was blown out of the sky by terrorists.
According to the Mail Online investigators are examining a
bomb threat called in on a flight from Buenos Aires to
Paris just days before flight 447 disappeared over the
Atlantic Ocean.
Maybe it's like a stretch.
What would why
can usually somebody would take credit for it if they're, you
know, doing that.
Well, maybe that's still to come.
I mean, Osama came out with a speech of just like as I was
coming back from San Francisco, like, you know, 1520 minutes
ago. Of course, everyone's already poo pooed it it's just,
uh, you know, the guy. He's
a 911. It wasn't like Osama took Osama bin Laden to credit for
it. Now. In fact, the media immediately started saying Osama
bin Laden before he even said anything. So, yeah, it's hard to
say but but whether it's yes, it's it's possible, but it is so
rare. You know, people always it's not like Hollywood, you
know, where all of a sudden turbulence and lightning flashes
and you crash. I mean, it's just not. I've actually
been in a plane that's been hit by lightning. Yeah, of course,
it doesn't do anything, especially if it's in the sky.
I mean, I can be hit by lightning with my plane today.
You know, it's not a problem. You You hope you're not touching
metal at the time and you're not your foot isn't extended all the
way down to the ground, but
just right. So you're dragging some wire
you know, and even if it if it hits the electrical systems, you
know, there's so many redundancies so many backups,
there's even a little propeller that can get like a little
windmill that can drop out of the bottom that will provide
electrical current now that there isn't an instance of it
was a US plane several years ago, that had a maintenance
issue. Whew, it's elevator. So basically the the part that
makes the plane go up or down, either got stuck or broken and
they went into a partial nosedive they were able to
recover. And you can there's actually audio of this available
online, you hear other pilots, you know, looking at him
describing the situation. And if you if you lose your elevator,
you know, you just go into a nosedive, you go straight down,
or in this case, that's what happened with their that
aircraft. So that could be a possibility. But really, yeah,
go ahead. Well, I'm
just saying there's still the issue with with the fly by wire
and the software.
Yeah. And that is, that is indeed what I feel is kind of to
Airbus's detriment. Now, this is like a holy war. You know, you
talk to Airbus pilots, you talk to Boeing pilots, they will give
you different opinions. Personally, I don't like the
joystick fly by wire. And I'd like to feel that I'm actually
connected to either directly to to the controls, as with my
aircraft, small aircraft, or you know, hydraulics, whatever. I
don't like the whole computer fly by wire thing. doesn't sit
pretty.
Yeah. You know, I flew a simulator, real one that aims
NASA. And actually, I flew to two different ones, I flew 747,
which is just a full blown 747 cockpit or the real thing. And
also, they have this A F, this advanced, whatever the heck it
is playing that they programme for different things. And it's
fly by wire. It's got the little joystick on it. And curiously,
the joystick plane is the only one I could actually land
safely. John, I think in the real deal. You know what I'm
just saying. That's how people learn how to fly some 47 in a
simulator, they don't?
Well, yeah, sure. But if you're ever on an aircraft, and they
say, you know, ladies and gentlemen, is there anyone on
board who can fly the plane? If John gets up? If John gets up
and walks to the to the cockpit? You're so screwed.
Well, I'll take a few more hours in the simulator before I may do
Do
you have? Do you have an eat on a simulator? Can you get me on
the sim, I'd give my left nut to be on the sim like that.
And I'll give them a note this week made me go to Haley. Oh,
God, John. I mean, I would really love you then. I mean,
it's hard. It's expensive, man. It's really expensive to to get
on a sim for an hour.
Yeah. I guess
what kind of contact you have.
So one of the guys over there they you know, we do it after
hours. And they actually liked it. What's kind of a kick is
they they like to you know, there was for the journalist get
to go there and we get to fool around in the simulators. But
the funny thing is, he had what he put into the one that I
thought was the most interesting experience was 747 takeoff,
which they're easy to take off. Yeah. 747 takeoff on an iced
over runway with a strong, completely ice snowing and a
crosswind
will how much crosswind
was a lot? It
goes Hello, John C. Dvorak, you've got a crosswind on Runway
three, zero, it's a lot.
It goes like this, it goes like this. It's a lot. You can't, of
course, it
makes a difference, you have to know what the crosswind
component is, you know, because
there's so much ice on the runway that all I did was just
model and I went straight into the terminal.
And your bags can be picked up at terminal one, three and
seven,
and Paradise spinning the whole time. So well, you could just
see it with a with a crosswind or whatever it is.
With multi engine, you can do it but you need to compensate with
your engine. So you give more thrust on the opposite
way to do it. I talked to a pilot one because I sat next to
one and about this situation. But the guys at Ames NASA they
just think it's hilarious.
Yeah. Put me on that icy runway in that in that sim. And I'll
get us off the ground. John, I promise you're accomplishing.
So the big news, you're over in the States, which you'll be
picking up on when you get here is real news.
Now, hold on. I was just switching to my browser. Give me
a second. Okay, like it skipped the real.
And now back to real. Yeah. And the real news is that Conan
O'Brien bumped, you know, got Jay Leno off the air and now
he's doing a show which is highly right now. It's extremely
over produced. And it's actually quite good. He's a very pleasant
person.
So yeah, this is the big move where Jay Leno was moved to 10
o'clock and this is the new primetime deal is that on now as
well or is it
that doesn't start until the fall season and it's gonna it
has disaster written all over it for everybody but Jay Leno, who
will walk away probably close to being a billionaire. Yeah,
because he's essentially picking up five prime time slots are
weak. And typically those bring in a budget of around 10 to $15
million or show and it's going to be a low budget show. Let's
face it. Well, you
don't know. You don't know that. No, I
don't know that. But compared to a cop drama, I don't see that,
that he's going to be putting in as much money into the show.
Well, me, you know, it's a studio show. Give me a break.
You don't know. I mean, the Anticipation is high. I have
heard that there is going to be a lot more production. I think.
I think we're probably going to see a lot more skits which
honestly, Leno, skits are usually pretty lame. You know,
it's not like like a letterman skit, which is meant to be lame,
and, ergo, very funny.
It's not going to have more production value than let's say,
a Saturday Night Live or mad TV. And those still don't cost as
much money to produce as a cop drama. So
you're calling it now you're calling it failure.
Yeah, well, I'm calling him before he even shows up. I'm
gonna give how many weeks do you give him? I'm gonna give him six
to 12 weeks and he's off the air.
Okay, I'm gonna i It'll even
at that period of time, he'll make he'll make up probably
about five or $6 million a day.
I wonder what their contingency plan is? Because, you know,
there's nothing in production. If it doesn't, if it doesn't
work. I mean, they've got to give them a lot more time.
There's just no way there's no contingency. That's
a good and in terms of the bet. I think your logic is sound.
Because you're right, they have to have a contingency plan. You
can't take off five hours in prime time at 10 o'clock when
I'm keen.
But when it's not five hours, is it how many how much time is he
actually getting? I thought it was like getting an hour 10 to
11 Oh, 505 times a week. Okay, gotcha, gotcha. No, that that
essentially would be one primetime drama or two like
sitcom, so that's expensive stuff, man. That's really really
expensive. And of course, he's going to be pocketing all the
money. Let's put it this way. The money won't necessarily be
on the screen. Yeah, it'll
be in his pocket. Here's this guy. I don't know how he
arranged this I can't finally come to the conclusion that this
guy is a master salesman first. Even though he blamed his age
and he managed to get Johnny Carson kicked off of television
and Carson once he retired never even did a Vegas act or showed
up for an it never did anything after that. He was so steamed up
about it. So he gets him bumped off and then he comes up and
sells this idea. I mean, this is a master at sales this guy I
think,
I don't think
five hours of primetime we agree I disagree
I don't think it's a master sales job. I think it's complete
desperation that you know, the numbers are totally in the
toilet they've got to do something they've got to save
money at the same time. This is a total hail Hail Mary and
they're doing the right thing by saying this isn't you know,
groundbreaking etc. But it's a Hail Mary John, it's not a sales
job.
Somebody I don't think it can I don't think the idea came from a
network executive.
Anyway, let's, let's move on. Because a lot of our audience
does not give a crap about American primetime television.
What they might give a crap about is real news from Latvia.
Yes, Latvians may be feeling depressed. According to dish
Spiegel fine German publication. They may be feeling depressed as
a result of the economic crisis, which has hammered the Baltic
state. But on Sunday, over 500 blonde women did their best to
lift the spirits in Riga, with a blonde weekend event. Where
essentially 500 blondes paraded through the Capitol wearing pink
and white many escorted by lap dogs wearing the same cheerful
colours. Their goal to use their beauty to shine a little light
into the dark mood caused by the global downturn. Let me tell
you, we need more of this. This is an excellent idea.
Brother, you know that this would have about as much chance
as a snowball in hell of getting even past you know, they don't
mind having a gay parade where everybody's kind of dressed like
that in San Francisco, but to have a bunch of women Oh,
no. Can't have that. You check out check out the sexual women
check up with their little dogs is not gonna happen. Dude,
I'm st look at these pictures. I just Skype you the link I'm
saying roadshow to Latvia,
are you okay, okay, you're gonna put this in the show notes.
Yeah, of course.
Of course.
Excellent. Women aren't that bad looking. Yeah,
look at the middle one in the middle picture. Look at her man.
The whole gallery. There's the hot dude. Look at him.
Go blonde muffin tops there. But you know, oh, John,
like you have like you're not a muffin top and you're in your
black Speedo.
tight tight.
Close. You should do. Yes, you do know your Hema speedos and
I've put them on order and not that tight. I've put them on
order. I have a demo coming. Beta with the no agenda on the
crotch. Hema underwear I've ordered 100 pair
seriously? Seriously? You're gonna get different sizes I hope
no one size fits all it's one size fits all but no agenda my
friend
by the way talking to a one size fits all one dimension something
you know when I was shopping at the heme I noticed something
that I think Americans probably haven't seen this forever, which
is that you go to buy some socks. And they actually have
your size. Yeah, as opposed to one size fits all everyone
because we had remote skews we can't have too many skews. So
just make somehow make a socket fits everybody.
Yeah, no know. I mean, so many people have emailed me about the
HEMA underwear and they totally even women who say they love to
wear men's Hema underwear.
They used to say the same telling the truth include my
wife was included in this. They used to like to wear the old
marks and sparks underwear until the company stopped making
quality.
Yeah. Well, all you need to do is what are we doing a $50 limit
or $100 limit for the no agenda crotch written him on the rug
that
has to be that that has doesn't have to go on the well we can
that will do both 50 They just get twice as many.
I only have 100 Man that's the first run. But we're gonna look
at we're gonna look at the at the demo first to see if we
actually liked the the what the first was that that's 10 times
as expensive as the actual underwear itself as the
embroidery part.
And why you know I don't understand why that is because
there's so many of these computerised embroidery machines
and operations now you should get but you should be able to
get that embroider for a buck nobody you're misunderstanding
these are hand embroidered. Oh, stuff is quality stuff. Genuine
hand embroidery. What difference does it make?
Well, because it's a hand job.
You just did that the reason that you even brought this up so
do lead
to that joke there you go. But uh being you want to do your
your Greyhound dog job
you were talking about earlier, you mentioned that some people
used to say you could bet on horses by going to go into the
naked dump. I heard that. I heard this seriously that
somebody said You know, you go to a dog track. And by the way,
there's a lot of cool dog tracks in Florida. You go to a dog
track and you would always watch the dogs before you place your
bet. You would place you'd look for the last dog to take a dump
and you bet on that dog. Now I was at the track I swear. And it
was like this. So here's what how it lined up. For me. It was
June 6 Sixth sixth. It was the sixth race. It was dog number
six, and he took a dump. I put six bucks on him. And he came in
six.
Good job. Hey, can't wait to go to the track with you. Sounds
like a hoot.
Actually, the dog track is one of the funniest things I've ever
experienced. Because about half the races. As dogs go, they go
like a bat out of hell they fly around the track. And in the
first curve. There's always some dog on the inside that trips and
falls. Dogs go over. It's hilarious.
I used to watch the steeplechase. What is the what
is the big the big steeplechase in the UK which always I find
it's like sad man where horses are falling over and then they
fall on the jockeys and they break the horses break their
legs and I don't I don't like I don't know what
I call it a steeplechase. are they chasing a steeple? I don't
get it.
No steeple has something to do with the because he's really
really high hedges that the horses have the sorts of
basically a track but the huge jump. Yeah, they gotta it's
like, what do you call it in track and field? hurdles?
hurdles? Yeah, but they're really really high. And it's
yeah, they go once a while horse falls over and you know, hurts
himself?
Yeah. Well, that's um, I'm talking about horse, not dog.
Gordon Ramsay. I think we actually we actually predicted
this. Didn't we predict that his demise was coming?
Well, he's getting out of it. He said looks like he's gonna save
himself. I mean, he's asked to shut down a bunch operations. I
mean, no, I do have to make when we bring this to you, as we do
the story. I do have a point of clarification that somebody sent
me a note on. But go ahead. Oh,
well, from the from the Sunday Times. He's pretty much out of
business altogether. 7 million pounds in back taxes for this
money losing operations and that so that has to be like VA T or
something like that. Because if you lose money, you you
shouldn't technically have to owe any taxes. But the story
which I will put the link in the show notes, man that the guy is
just he is admitting he's saying that, you know, well, you know,
he says my ego got the better of me, particularly with his US
operations. I think that's what we were talking about the US
operations that it's so hard to, you know, to run one restaurant
as a celebrity chef level. loan, you know, 10 or 15. And in
particularly having them in New York, which is forget about it.
So his goose is cooked, I guess?
Well, I read another article, it looks like at least he's going
to, he's going to survive it, he's going to pay the taxes and
database is going to be a smaller operation. Now, a couple
of things that came up in the conversation recently when we
were talking about su V need
to read again, because p2p is just low
temperature cooking in a vacuum packed bag where you put it you
take a piece of meat or fish and you put it into just like one of
those cooking bags, but you suck all the air out of it. And then
you drop it in a bath of warm water and cook it for, you know,
a day and a half. And it's makes a weird tasting thing. And it's
I think it's a dangerous way to cook, to summarise. Anyway, I
mentioned that I thought that when Ramsey was being criticised
for using cooking bags, that it was all Suvi but somebody cooked
me up to an article if I can find it, we'll put in the show
notes. I don't know, I suppose we could go or more was
apparently Ramsey had a bunch of little restaurants here in there
in some parts of England. And so he had a central kitchen that he
was making literally cooking bags of you know, like Coco
Vaughn or something like that. And he gave it wasn't
convenient. Taco van, whatever it was not as it was not smooth
feed. It was actual, you know, just let's make the stuff
someplace else, put it in a bag and seal it and send it to the
restaurant and then and warm it. And there was some documentation
for that and I you know that you know, I suppose it's probably
better than most food and most restaurants but that same thing
is that after watching him do all those shows, and we've both
watched the show a lot. It's an all the lecturing he does about
you know why you should cook it fresh. Do it on the spot. I
don't like stuff frozen. It was full of crap. Yeah, he's done.
He's doing it. So I mean, it's just like, you know, it's a
little annoying.
Well, I like the guy. I hope his TV show continues. And you know,
I've eaten one or two of his restaurants. It's good. But the
TV show is more interesting to me than
Yeah, I thought it was entertaining. And I like his his
his consulting style. You know, it's it's very down to earth and
straightforward. And it's something people can adopt to
all kinds of things. I think he's got a good, but you know,
this, this setback is probably going to affect his, you know, a
lot of his personality.
Yeah. Hey, the big news over and get my nation east in Europe at
tomorrow, the European elections are being held.
You know, I That's funny. You mentioned that because I wanted
to talk about this on the show a few months back, when I was
coming back from Amsterdam. On a, I went, I was on a Lufthansa
flight and they were playing a commercial on the air. Plane,
you know, they have that just,
you can watch. Yeah, it's called in flight entertainment. That's
it.
And it was a long commercial about extolling the virtues of
everybody getting to vote. And they had like, they were
interviewing one person after another all, I'm so happy, I can
vote and they go from one country to another.
IE, I'm on E, I'm so happy I can vote. It was
unbelievable. And then they said they would and then it was like
a whole thing was like a promotion to make sure everybody
voted. And then now as I read these reports from Europe, it's
like half the people though they aren't even remotely interested
in voting. And some of them just say, I'm not going to vote.
You watch the turnout, you watch how low the turnout is going to
be. But there's a lot of fishy stuff going on. And I wanted to
highlight one thing in particular. Tomorrow, and now
the European Parliament is huge. 754 ministers of European
Parliament will be chosen. Now. This is a significant number.
Yeah,
this is like that thing and Star Wars. It's that No, no, it's
the Starfleet Command Council or whatever. But But what's
significant about it, is that this year, we had 736 seats. And
now with tomorrow's vote, there'll be 754. Why is that
interesting? That's an extra 18 seats. And that was determined
in the Lisbon Treaty, that an extra 18 seats will be created
were to be created. Of course, the Lisbon Treaty has not
actually been ratified and passed by all the countries. So
they're ramming this shit through without it even being
ratified.
What are these extra seats for?
Well, to suck more money out of the citizens of Europe, I'm sure
it has to do you know, there's all these different rules about
when a majority wins. It's, it's math, and I really haven't done
it yet. But essentially, if you have one of the majors like
France or Germany, and then you need two more of the minor
countries, and even though you don't have majority, you win a
vote anyway. So it all has it's a scam John, it's a scam. They
needed the 18 seats to be able to somehow it's excuse me
somehow it's changing the balance of the voting structure.
That's the only the only thing I can come up with.
So what do you think the turnout is going to be? 30 40% Max?
I would say 28. No, yeah, I'll say 28%. Now, yeah, I'll say 28%
Because I think it's very, very low. There's a lot of the real
news or is popping up all over Europe. You know, there's all
kinds of distractions. I think it'll be very, very low. There's
an article in the the Irish Daily Mail, which I don't want
to go into it into great detail, but it does talk about one
particular Minister of European Parliament, you'll probably
remember this guy from the German Green Party Daniel Cohn.
bendit have bendit who I guess is up for reelection. He is
actually a self confessed paedophile. Now this is the guy
who who was teaching kindergarten and had kids on
pull a zipper up and down as some kind of like Scott like
kids come here. Some kind of no. Oh, that's like a year. He
produced a book as a 1975. He worked in a kindergarten and
allow the children to pull down the zip on his trousers and
touch him intimately. In the book. He had asked them why they
wanted to play with him and not with each other but in the end
He caressed them His words. Oh, God,
God, that creepy character and Family Guy. Which one is that?
There's an old man and family guy who's a paedophile and he
comes he's not in all the shows, but he comes in every so often
and he's and he just any talks like this and he's just a creepy
guy and have no teeth. And he's like 80 and he's always asking
the kids to get something out of his pockets. I got a diamond
here got a walker goes around the walkers I got my pocket. Can
you reach in and get my wallet? As horrible? It's it's really
pretty funny.
German Germany's Constitutional Court is to publish its
judgement on whether the Lisbon Treaty is compatible with the
country's constitution by June 30. This will be very important
as they're examining a complaint by a central right politician
Peter gow viler and some left wing deputies that ninja
What country is this? This is Germany Germany at shut in other
words, that Lisbon Treaty may be incompatible with the German
constitution Yep. Makes sense? Probably is
well it is because I've read this thing and essentially the
death penalty or if you resist arrest and you run away if you
are killed by the authorities it's it's illegal kill. It is I
read this thing Yeah. Hey,
she that dog over there? Go chase him hurry.
You may you may have forgot he goes. Yeah, but you may have
forgotten what we did discuss this, I think previously on the
show when, you know, when the when this whole thing really
started cranking up. But in the Constitution, the Human Rights
Amendment, if you will, there's stuff in there that says, you
know, if you are a vagrant, a drug abuser, which includes
alcohol. If you are not of sound mind, you can be arrested. You
know, this is this is the total get most state is just about
complete. And now that they have their 18 I'll tell you, maybe
it's this maybe they got these 18 extra votes, and somehow
they'll finagle it so that they can, you know, ratify the thing
without even having they're just gonna bypass Ireland. You know,
it's like, Screw it Ireland. You don't even have to vote again.
Even though you said no, already. We've already got the
votes, it's gonna be something like that. It's gonna get
ramrodded through and people are so lethargic to this, which is
why I predicted 28% I'm gonna write this down. 28% voter
turnout turnout. What did you say?
I was thinking 30 to 40. Maybe
I'm calling number column number column number. Well, I
mean, I could play prices right and just predict 29 But I'm
going to predict and try to be a little more honest about I'm
going to predict they're going to do about 39% 39 39%
You watch JC D 39. Okay, it's it's a documented now documented
Baby All right, what do you got? I got I got tonnes of stuff. So
I'll go on with another item. I'm got a bunch of things kind
of here. But they're, you know, they're willing to get a couple
I got one Economo Bay game came out working on it.
Yeah, I've seen screenshots of this
thing. I don't know if it's a joke or not. I know it's not
a joke. I think it's real. I've seen screenshots and YouTube
videos.
We got a number of people that sent us a link to the BBC
articles on no jabs. No school says labour. Yeah, but maybe at
the minute,
the MMR the mumps, rubella, measles, mumps, measles,
rubella, rubella. Yeah, and this of course is all Ready in place
I think in New Jersey and several other states in the US.
If your kid does not have all vaccinations, then they're
actually forbidden from attending school, which I think
is unconstitutional by
saying it's totally unconstitutional. Yeah.
You see me so now this is all over the news here in in the UK.
And of course everyone says, Yeah, that's a good idea. At
least everyone they interview on the BBC thinks is a good idea.
Everyone they interviewed and they showed on the BBC, which
Ergo of course means everyone wants it.
So I've had the measles when I was a kid, everybody got the
measles in the mumps and sometimes they got the German
measles was what rubella is is another form of measles. Only
the German measles only lasts like three days, but that's the
dangerous one. Because if a pregnant woman against aero kit,
well no if you know the sterile one, I think is the mumps. If
you're a male gets the mumps you get it done. You get you get the
ball mumps is what you get. And, but the rubella if you're a
female, that pregnant woman and you get this which is doesn't
happen that often but I suppose it happens once about your your
child is essentially ruined. For some reason, but generally when
we were kids where everyone would get the measles and mumps
and the chicken pox and all this stuff, and it wasn't. I never
thought you know, nobody was that worked up about it. It
wasn't like people were dropping dead. You'd get the measles. Oh,
you got the measles. Measles, and I had this I think get the
stay out of the light. And you got to be inside for a couple of
days and then it goes away. It's a very short lived thing. My
son, who's graduating shortly. He had the measles or the
chickenpox. I can't remember what I know is the chickenpox
and it was the weirdest thing he had like one puck. Everybody
family talk. He was like he was diagnosed he had the chickenpox
he had the one puck where it was
where it was the one puck
so on his face. It was a pot here. It
wasn't a pimple. No, it
wasn't a pimple. It was a chicken pox.
It was one POC DeVore rock. Love it.
Let me like wow, everyone's going to be so jealous. How'd
you get away? It's only getting one POC you may have had to buy
it.
There are actual parties measles parties for parents kind of
sick. No, I don't think it's sick. I think it's a perfectly
good idea. You know, there's measles, measles breakout, and
you basically put the kids together so they all get
infected and they get the measles and then of course their
immune system is much stronger for it and they all survive. You
know, everyone lives happily ever after.
Yeah, no, I just I'm sick about it.
I just saw breaking news that someone sent to me apparently.
Or maybe it's not breaking news. It's a Dutch article brilli.nl
sent it to me that apparently Google and Yahoo conspired which
would be a card not cartel forming but anti competitive.
They made secret agreements not to poach each other's staff it's
my worst Yeah, wait Washington Post article Hold on. Let
me take this chip. Just kidding. That's a scandal Yeah, it's
a huge scandal Hold on I'll send you the link for some reason
Daniel we got to find more of this stuff because this is the
Bible yet are some of his money into the into the coffers of the
US government Yeah, that's a big fine in that one that's like
multi Bono
and the European Union of course can call on top of it yeah, here
comes nearly you know so here comes nearly let me give you
this link. It's something's weird whether it's like some
proxy thing like the internet is really fast but it takes 25 to
30 seconds for the page to actually start loading it's
dumb. Okay, here check this out. You'll get you'll probably get
the page from my MarketWatch Oh,
wow. There you go. Maybe I missed in selling more than an
item to be honest.
federal antitrust probe targets tech giants sources say it's not
loading from me John get to check the story out and see I'm
looking
at it. The review said it's very preliminary stages focused on
the search engine giant Google and its competitor Yahoo, Apple
maker of the popular iPhone and the biotech firm Genentech,
among others are going after everybody out Genentech too,
huh? This is Obama. Yeah, Obama is going for it. This is a we
can get some money. I mean, it is, you know, the government has
been so lacks with these big companies that have been really
kind of taken advantage of the situation for so long. Now, you
can just turn it around just a little bit, start to turn up the
heat and you've got lots of money coming in.
That's one way to do it.
That works for me. I've always thought this collusive stuff was
bad idea. I don't like it. I don't like to defected companies
don't compete. I never liked the fact that during the both the
Bush one of Reagan, Clinton and Bush to the whole group of them
let these one tech company by its competitor, one after
another after another I mean it's Symantec basically was one
of the one of five or six or seven tools makers that made
utilities programmes, and they just essentially bought the rest
of it. They bought 123 they just bought them all. And they took
over the whole business and just didn't do a public any good. I
mean, did them a lot of good because they didn't have to
worry about competing anymore, but I always thought Where's
nobody stopping
you imagine if MVNO and revision three had such a shady, shady
deal amongst
under the table deal? On page 175 175
of
those guys event you get out of them?
Yeah, let's let's take Curry's plane. from Bloomberg. You I'm
sure you've heard this one because you're so all over the
tech news. Steve Ballmer, CEO of Microsoft said, if Congress
enacts President Barack Obama's plans to impose higher taxes on
US companies, it will have to move work offshore.
Like they haven't already. Let's see, well, let me get this
straight. Microsoft's already hired more h one B people in
want to hire even more than they laid off the non h1 B's. And
they got placed they got got, you know, r&d and China to get
r&d In India they opened up a big giant thing. And so they're
going to they already did. And by the way, you're still taxed.
Can we do little increments so you're an
American company you're getting taxed for whatever your profits
are, Scott, what is it got to do with being offshore? You can he
can be all offshore and they still gonna get taxed
particularly well. Certainly with a virtual company. You
would think it's pretty easy. Yes.
They need to win. He has to do it which Oh,
hold on. So the time the tax difference would be employment
tax. That's which is huge.
Okay, well, that's true. How about
intermezzo John, I needed a little nah shit. As crappy as
not loading I wanted to do it. I wanted it on cue, but it's not
working. Crap. Nevermind,
it might get some faster get a PC. Get rid of that Mac.
No, it's the page has nothing to do with the Mac, please. I'm not
getting rid of this Mac. In fact, I'm afraid to buy a new
one because the sticker on the back probably won't transfer.
Oh, there it is. Everybody, please sing along.
My name?
Is this you're playing
Monty Python.
I don't remember this song.
life wouldn't be fine. If we both 69. If we set it up. This
is the place that we're born. All right.
Sorry, I just found that the other day and I love the songs
kind of gross.
Yeah, I like it though. So I never heard that before. I
didn't know if Monty Python did last year real classic, classic.
So anyway, we're talking about taxes.
I was trying to break away but yeah, you got some?
No.
California. Apparently, according to Pacific Business
News, we'll run out of cash in 14 days.
You know, I've lived in California. Like I'd say 99% of
my life. This happens every single year, they run out of
cash in 14 days. Every year this goes on every year, it's never
ended. So what
I'm just saying it'll happen while I'm out there.
Yeah. When you know what the difference will be probably at
the services will improve. I don't know.
Yeah, I was. I was kind of shocked today in in Amsterdam, a
friend of mine, her mom is in dying, she's in, in care. And so
part of it is paid for by the state. And so she was at her,
you know, she was she went she was basically had to have like a
every three months they sit down with, with, you know, the the
chief of the care centre. And you could say, How's the how's
everything going any complaints? And she had noticed that, you
know, the room really wasn't getting cleaned very well. It
was really dusty. I mean, like real, like big gobs of dust. And
the, and this lady says, Well, you know, I'm really sorry about
that. But we've had all these cutbacks, and one of the big
cutbacks on the government budget for these for these
homes, is on the cleaning personnel. So now that for me
was like, I don't know how many 100 rooms or whatever. So now
there's only one the last thing you're supposed to cut first.
And it's like one day a week and they have to do over 100 rooms.
And that was the vacation period and then don't have like they
have any temporary help. It's just half the staff is gone.
It's like it's unconscionable. And this is the
this is always the way the bureaucrats operate. When they
get to make him cut. Somebody always cuts the some of the most
important essential things just to screw with everyone. You
know, I'm reminded of when I was at Tech TV when they were
starting to do cutbacks over to the first you have to remember
that there was a bunch of shows that had a bunch of very
attractive women that were only not to insult any of them.
There's a couple of them are naturally beautiful, but
generally speaking, most women on television, if you sit them
down in a in a chair for a couple hours with a makeup
person did a fantastic lusher Sure. The makeup people.
That's a place. That's right. You're right. That's always the
first to go, you're right. And we got to cut back on hair and
makeup. And by the way, the lighting director can come in
once a week to. It's unbelievable.
And so And the worst part about it is I know that these people
were the lowest pay and all of that. Meanwhile, the executives
are out living it up.
It's like at MTV, they always did that. And literally is like
well, you know, we have a little bit of a slow period and cut
back so the lighting director is only going to instead of being
there all full time. They'll come in two days a week, and you
get a mark as your spot and then it was like Find your light. So
you have to like hold on let me just angle my head a little bit
to the right. Hey, everybody. Bon Jovi. Yeah, creeps where's
it media? We just don't do makeup at all.
No, actually, they have a makeup person for a couple of people
they bring in and we do this you do your makeup. You have makeup
on? No, no, I do not use makeup. You should.
I know. I'm sorry. That can
look great with makeup. Well, why
don't you get the makeup person to pay? You know, I
might? Who cares? Who's watching? What Why
don't you? Do I do my own makeup? Don't Why don't you do
that anyway,
whether you're on the air or not,
so I get laid.
So here's the deal. Somebody sent me a note, because I
mentioned propylene glycol because it was related to
ethylene glycol might be poisonous, but no, of course
it's not. This is what
we were talking about. Regarding was it cigarettes.
Yeah, are those phoney cigarettes? Yeah, the ones that
have the e cigarette? Yes. The e cigarette the e cig. So was sick
by the way special interest group. So e cig is actually kind
of interesting as a term. So just as a nerd now, but
it's C IG not.
So I'm just saying is upon. So anyway, the point is, is that
the guy mentions this propylene glycol thing and then and I am
you know, I mean, it's a way it is with chemistry. I mean, you
have for example, ethyl alcohol is you can something you can
digest and methyl alcohol will kill you. I mean, just you just
change the thing around a little bit and once poisonous and one's
not. But what it brings to mind is a couple of things. And I
want to kind of change gears for just one second, which is that
we do need more support. We did get a really lousy week last
week and for various reasons we didn't get as much Volunteer
Income like zero donations. Well, we know we got a couple
but it was don't we didn't get the donations you normally get
and
look at what we're doing. Look what we're doing for this show.
I mean right now it is quarter to 11 I'm dead tired. There's
all kinds of shit going on in my life. You rushed back from the
from the city doing other stuff. Maybe all related. Would you do
cranking geeks today?
Yeah, Cranky geeks Good show today, by the way, who was on? I
don't remember so much wants to remember.
Who cares? But you know, we really do put the effort into it
twice a week on Sunday, Sunday. It's like a day off. It's the
Lord's day, the Lord's day. You know, and, and we're working you
know, we need some dough.org/and
Once again, right. I
wonder the jingle
now the jingle is I think the jingle is what killed it. To be
honest. I think that jingle is too long.
22 seconds.
That's way too long for a jingle for this show. How
about this one, then?
That's good. Good. Thanks
for the armoury. All right. Well, Jeff is gonna be hurt now
that you don't like
Jeff has to shorten these things up because I got too many
complaints about the length of the thing that I listed. It's a
little flippant, you know, it's as though you know, yeah, we got
three sides to it was not serious enough. Right. All
right. All right. Yes, we do. But let's go. Let's back up. I
want to just ask one more thing for people out there because of
this propylene glycol thing. If you want to get a hold of me,
you can send me an email to John at the work.org. And if you're
interested in this particular thing, instead of donating
money, I want a copy of the Merck index by my side. And why
the Merck index, the Merck index is that I used to have one I
used to use it when I was a chemist used to be a chemist and
that's how I understood learned about is the Merck index. The
Merck indexes is big book. And you can look up anything in
there. That's a chemical anything. Danielle chemists use
this book constantly because you're always saying, I'm going
to be putting this You know this, this this reagent together
and you look up the stuff to see if it's going to kill you
have a little mark next to it like this is
some stuff that you work with and you use it and in an
analysis in terms of doing some chemical analysis you have to
work with some of this stuff. And I'm not going to start
throwing out names of worth various weird poisons, but there
was one in particular that will I mean, one flake of this stuff
if it lands on your skin, we will kill you dead in seconds.
What is it? Let's get some of what it is. It's why not? Is it
readily available? Is it easy to obtain?
I have no idea. All I know is that was in a safe and you had
to have two or three people to get it out just it's horrible
stuff cruel, but the Merck index is what you use to quickly look
up to stuff if I had the Merck index next to me when I Is it
expensive either on about propylene glycol I would have
looked it up and I would say the Merck index
expensive is as costly as Otterbox Well, there you go. You
could be the you could be the person who actually pays for the
Merck index 100 bucks.
Yeah, that would be fine for a lot less but a new ones about
100 bucks so
so that stuff that you mentioned that Flake is that and the way
they handle that you have to have three people in a safe that
sounds like a Baxter international operation
actually.
But it's kind of like that, you know, there's a lot of stuff
that you don't know is you know, you never heard of or you don't
but the merch index has got everything in there and you you
look that went up and it would just say Wow,
how do you spell it? How do you spell merch in Miami are si
que si it's done by those
what isn't that online?
Not not the real one, not the maybe you can subscribe to some
online service but there's no way I can look this and besides
that it's nice to have a big tome next to you when I want to
look through it. You just
hit on Merck index Wikipedia. Oh, the Merck index online.
There you go. Want to book hold on
Merck says Merck index. I hate this this proxy thing these
unless you're saying this is hotel again? Oh, here it is,
dude. Yeah, what? You'll get the book don't worry. You'll get the
book. Check that
point. Anyway, by the way, I'm wondering why your Skype by the
way, your Skype connection is as fantastic
I know. It's something that it has a Why is what's wrong with
him with the web? Because it's some kind of proxy or something
online SM
There you go. So can you search? I don't know. Look, you look you
can download the PDF, John. Oh, that's a
deletion. If this thing is huge. I don't want to download the
PDF. Oh, God forbid.
We can't search can you search?
I'm not seeing any search. This is a this is an October
2015 2016. outdated. It's no good. Well, you know, the fact
is the one from 1960s Probably is good as anything. All right.
World Health Organisation official says world edging
towards pandemic Geneva Dateline Geneva, the spread of h one and
one flew in Australia Britain, Chile, Japan and Spain has not
the world
guys give up on this we had three got just a regular flu
with everybody all inoculated we had 30,000 deaths in the United
States. We have what five? Point What did these guys do? What are
they trying to shall hear? Well,
vaccines, the newly discovered strain had caused more
infections and seasonal influenza at the start of
Chile's flu season raising concern about how it would
spread in the southern hemisphere according to chi G
for CUDA who of course, is the World Health Organization's
Acting Assistant Director General ah, they do not give up
do
they I want to mention by the way that of all the people
covering this from the get go we're the only ones that caught
called it as bullshit from the very beginning it actually was
you but the take that as a little supplement slow on the
draw.
I have some I'm sorry.
I was just gonna say that I was reading an article the other day
that's now saying that they expect the United States
citizens to have to get three flu shots a year.
Yeah, well, in the Netherlands they've already ordered what
because it's they're like five bucks a pop in the Netherlands.
They ordered 34 17 million people in the country. Everyone
gets two shots, five bucks a pop, it'll be mandatory.
Otherwise you can't go to school, or you can't go to
McDonald's or whatever. They'll make up it's money. Money,
money, baby. It's all about me. You know what? We should have
that this is this. We're begging for money. We're stupid. We need
to have people take a flu shot and charged by law. Exactly.
divorce.org/na To wrap that up, but anyway, go to divorce.org/na
I'm gonna change that patriots a little more pleasant, by the
way, and I'm gonna put something in there so people can subscribe
in a way that they can get a knighthood. Now there's another
one that you should be you since you're in England. I understand
that wacky Jackie the crazy woman that runs Yeah, yeah, it's
quitting. No, no,
it's she Sheila bear
no third wacky Jackie was quitting time so
I know that Sheila Bair quit who was she's on the wacky Jackie
level hold Let me try. Wacky
This is the one who put Michael Savage on the
on the tuna islands do not enjoy that. Let me see the news Hold
on a second. For some reason Google just properly click on
this shitty connection. While I'm looking that up, John, I got
some inside information, which I think is pretty interesting.
There is a new $20 billion project that has just been
approved for natural gas in Australia and natural, and it's
already been sold. It's already been pre sold to the usual
suspects in the Pacific Rim. But what's interesting, there's this
island and the name escapes me there's an island that that is
that's actually a nature reserve or it's a protected Island. And
there's been a kind of like an independent oil or independent
refinery, a natural gas refinery on the island for like 40 years.
And the only reason they were allowed to have that refinery
there is because they had to, you know, commit to to
protecting the island. And so now they're gonna start doing
this $20 billion project. And the other build they they're
expanding, they have a little runway there that could take
like King airs and stuff, but now they're expanding it to take
dash Aedes. So it'll be huge. And it's, you know, screw the
environment. Screw the island. Let's, let's just go ahead.
There's a bunch of weird stuff going on in the petrol business.
Yeah,
well, the prices are moving up, we're moving towards the price
are moving up for no apparent reason.
And then the while the demand is down, so I think this is kind of
a phoney thing, and I'm expecting that to turn around
eventually. But But I was watching Dan, rather this week's
Dan Rather show on HD net is really interesting, because he
got a bunch of Russians on there. And they're talking
about, you know, strategy with Russia. And I'm going to send
you an mp3 of the of the chat so you can listen to it because we
need to talk about what they discussed. And they also talked
about how Russia got this huge natural gas pond. That's
apparently the size of you know, anything Saudi Arabia or anybody
else has. And then we have this discovery in Australia. And then
as in some everyone's while I get an email on this. We have in
the United States discovered two huge views. Yeah, he's the one
she's in Louisiana, apparently is as big as anything in the
world. And nobody's talking about it.
It's Hazel. blir. I'm sorry. Hazel blir has resigned. I don't
know what you're talking about. Wacky Jackie. I only see Hazel
blir.
I'm, well, I
have to get you the link. But can you send me that mp3
tonight? So I can listen to it on the on the plane? Oh, that's
a good idea. Yeah, yeah. Because the I got to 10 hours.
Okay, well, you have to go pull it. In other words to make the
mp3
for when anything, not by your command.
So I'm gonna have to pull this thing, and then it'll take an
hour. So if you can pick it up in a couple hours, I can do it.
Yeah, no, no problem. I mean, I leave the hotel at nine. So
that's only 1am Your time so you have plenty of time to to look
for it to pull it. Yeah. Hey, the that magazine that that I
offered, you know, since they illegally took my copyrighted
Creative Commons copyrighted picture. Yeah. And I said, Hey,
you know, why don't you just why don't you just send 5000 euros
to War Child. So they had the editor of this magazine on
television going we're not going to do that. First of all, what a
dick. You know, watch. We're not going to send any money to
Warchild and by the way, I haven't received any real time
documentation. Well, that there'll be in court within two
weeks. I don't know I don't even have to show up. My lawyer is so
confident he says Adam, even if we lose I'll pay for I'll pay
for our costs. Like these guys are so screwed I love it.
Well, that's good. Yeah. So what else we got on the list? I had
one thing there's a we got to wrap it up man we got we got a
war with Korea. We can do that. In the next show. The war we got
producers Keith Ray, Chris angler, our East Coast research
let's and Frederick Carlson for sending us a lot of tips. And
there was something on Twitter that's kind of interesting. I
was trying to remember but I can't Oh, yeah. Yeah, I just
wanted I had this question before we started the show
because I was looking at Twitter for people with saying that they
can hear the stream. I want to wipe people you know, they say I
am leaving my house to go to such and such to the I'm gonna
be flying to New York and they tell you all these details are
like I won't have any wind some criminals are going to decide to
get on Twitter and just rob people blind because they're
telling me every move that they make is on a personal level. Say
that again. Say that again? In other words, I've got my gonna
say I'm yeah, I'm here. I'm here in Albany by myself. because my
wife is over the other house and I think I'm gonna go to New York
today. I'll be back in a week. Now what do I want to make that
announcement for? Just leave my house like open? Yes. Really?
Come on by. Come on. Does anybody think in the I mean,
does anyone think is a good idea to be so? You know, open with
with your every move?
No, no, that I don't think it's a good idea.
I was seeing somebody just staying exactly where they were
this I'm right now I'm at the coffee shop and such and such
place. Anyone want to say hi, you
say hi at your house is not really smart.
Anyway, I don't know. Just a complaint in mind. There's a
good Twitter video. I'm gonna send you the link to it. You can
put it on the show notes.
Hey, dude, my my daughter's like texting me and I really want to
talk to her. She wants to talk. So can we wrap it up?
Yeah, like, right. We're at the Cassie our point, I think.
And the fact that she's wants to talk to me is really good. So
you don't mind.
So yeah, we'll be back on Sunday.
Yes, absolutely. And I got work slash and a. Yeah, and I've got
one Oh, that's really weird. My Oh, there you go. Some reason my
midi controller wasn't working. There we go. Yeah, and I'll be
at the Oh, and Mickey says hi. Good. She's listening to her.
Well, she's hearing so she's listening. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We
got a fan and you know what she wears. She wears male female
underwear from six to seven. Hold on. She where else? She
wears male Hema underwear.
As all smart money does, yes,
of course, no Sunday and I got this like corporate apartment
that Rosie set me up with. So it'll be interesting to see how
the bandwidth is because whenever I'm in California, and
you're in California, basically the connection sucks.
Particularly if we're both on Comcast.
Yeah, I did. The guy the other day on Comcast and it just died.
Right and really, you're kidding me? Oh, you're kidding me? No,
just right in the middle. Just we had a great connection. Boom
dead. Was that with the
notices separate now. Okay. As another issues with his
connection.
Yeah, I think Horowitz has issues in general. No, I'm just
kidding. I like him. I like him. I like him. Okay, so anyway,
that was fun. Coming to you from an undisclosed hotel in Gitmo
nation East in the Capitol.
Would you tell us where it is? You're leaving tonight.
It's in Mayfair. I'm not going to tell you I'm an idiot show
up. I'm not going to tell you that. I'll Twitter it. Don't
worry. Hey, I'm at this hotel. I'm Adam curry.
And from sunny but maybe rainy northern Silicon Valley and John
C. Dvorak
will talk to you again on Sunday right here on no agenda.