1 00:00:01,709 --> 00:00:05,369 Well, hi, everybody. Welcome to no agenda, the show that has no 2 00:00:05,369 --> 00:00:09,689 jingles, no theme song, no commercials. And well, actually 3 00:00:09,839 --> 00:00:15,389 no talent and no agenda. Exactly. It's Adam curry in the 4 00:00:15,419 --> 00:00:20,369 curry condo in San Francisco and John C. Dvorak is in the Dvorak 5 00:00:20,369 --> 00:00:23,849 mansion. South of here, north of here, south of here, John, where 6 00:00:23,849 --> 00:00:24,119 are you? 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,720 It's actually a kind of a cross. I mean, is in the Sunni 8 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,110 community of Albany, which is the San Carlos of the East Bay, 9 00:00:31,230 --> 00:00:35,220 the San Carlos of the East Bay. Nice. So as we're getting this 10 00:00:35,220 --> 00:00:39,450 show, the show together and in the format. So we actually just 11 00:00:39,450 --> 00:00:42,750 before I hit record, we're going through the topics. So I think 12 00:00:42,750 --> 00:00:46,170 we have what was your first one, John? 13 00:00:46,770 --> 00:00:49,260 Well, the writer strike is interesting to me, which is the 14 00:00:49,260 --> 00:00:51,960 Writers Guild of America, you know, the guys who do all the TV 15 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:52,350 stuff. 16 00:00:52,380 --> 00:00:55,050 Now remember, I said a couple of weeks ago, this was going to be 17 00:00:55,050 --> 00:00:57,090 a big deal. We had a conversation in the hallway 18 00:00:57,090 --> 00:00:57,810 about this. 19 00:00:58,500 --> 00:01:01,110 I think, yeah, what's a big deal on one hand, but I think it's a 20 00:01:01,110 --> 00:01:05,940 huge blunder. Okay, I think, I think it's a strategic blunder. 21 00:01:05,940 --> 00:01:08,280 And I'll explain why. And it doesn't surprise me that they 22 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,920 make this mistake, because this is like the people that didn't 23 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,160 get the, you know, the distribution over Napster. And I 24 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,040 mean, it's just one of these things where new media impinges 25 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,410 old media, and all the people that are involved in old media 26 00:01:19,410 --> 00:01:23,370 just don't understand, you know, how to deal with it. 27 00:01:24,330 --> 00:01:28,770 Okay, on the on the side of the writers on the side of the, of 28 00:01:28,770 --> 00:01:30,870 the television companies, or both? 29 00:01:31,169 --> 00:01:34,169 No, I think it was both obviously mean, but I think in 30 00:01:34,169 --> 00:01:38,159 this case, the writers are wrong. And here's why. What I'm 31 00:01:38,189 --> 00:01:42,749 what I'm thinking is that if they had if they wait, right 32 00:01:42,749 --> 00:01:45,059 now, there's no metrics. I mean, essentially, what they're doing 33 00:01:45,059 --> 00:01:47,669 is they're shooting themselves in the foot. Because one of the 34 00:01:47,759 --> 00:01:51,719 non by the way, this has nothing to do with the fact that maybe 35 00:01:51,719 --> 00:01:53,969 they're getting screwed, or probably they're getting screwed 36 00:01:53,969 --> 00:01:55,199 on DVD sales, 37 00:01:55,290 --> 00:01:58,410 right? Because that seems to be one major point of contention, 38 00:01:58,410 --> 00:01:59,520 but all the no brainer, 39 00:01:59,550 --> 00:02:01,890 that's, that's, that's what they should be going out on. But when 40 00:02:01,890 --> 00:02:05,220 they start talking about new media, and the internet, I think 41 00:02:05,220 --> 00:02:06,660 this is where they're making a mistake. 42 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,840 I think you're right. And, you know, in some of the more in 43 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,690 depth reporting that I've been looking at, you know, the 44 00:02:12,690 --> 00:02:16,200 discrepancy on the DVD stuff seems to be much, much larger 45 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,170 than this, indeed, is unknown. You know, like, like anyone's 46 00:02:19,170 --> 00:02:22,080 fucking monetizing properly on this stuff yet, you know, you 47 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,510 want 0.3% of what zero? 48 00:02:25,350 --> 00:02:28,050 Exactly, and what they should be doing is just going after the 49 00:02:28,050 --> 00:02:31,770 DVD thing, and then focusing in on it, but now they're, they're 50 00:02:31,770 --> 00:02:34,170 focused on something that nobody even knows that they're making 51 00:02:34,170 --> 00:02:37,920 anybody's making any money, they may actually be losing money, in 52 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:40,650 a big way. A lot of these, you know, like NBC and some of these 53 00:02:40,650 --> 00:02:42,780 other guys who are going off and doing their own thing, and they 54 00:02:42,780 --> 00:02:45,720 don't know what they're doing. I mean, it's almost it's 55 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,890 laughable. And yeah, the stuffs being there, the works are being 56 00:02:49,890 --> 00:02:52,500 redistributed, but it's not like they're, it's not like the DVD 57 00:02:52,500 --> 00:02:56,370 thing, where there's actual sales. It's just, in many ways, 58 00:02:56,370 --> 00:02:58,590 it's kind of a joke. And what the what the writer should have 59 00:02:58,590 --> 00:03:02,460 done is they should have just focused on the DVD and then 60 00:03:02,490 --> 00:03:06,030 waited until there was something going on on the other side, 61 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,370 where they could bring something to the table and say, hey, look, 62 00:03:08,370 --> 00:03:10,560 what's going on here. Here's how we're getting screwed. Right 63 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,980 now. They got nothing. It's all vague. And so it's weakening 64 00:03:13,980 --> 00:03:16,320 their whole position. I think it's a complete blunder. And 65 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,070 here's what the worst part about it. By doing this, now, they may 66 00:03:20,070 --> 00:03:24,900 actually be making the network's pull back on their on their 67 00:03:24,900 --> 00:03:27,330 internet approach and on the new media stuff, which is going to 68 00:03:27,330 --> 00:03:30,390 benefit everybody in the long haul. But if they have to pull 69 00:03:30,390 --> 00:03:32,910 back and rethink how they're going to do it, so they can find 70 00:03:32,910 --> 00:03:35,010 some other way to screw the writers because they really 71 00:03:35,010 --> 00:03:38,850 haven't been screwing him on that yet. It's gonna it's just a 72 00:03:38,850 --> 00:03:41,370 bad idea. And what what you're going to end up with is a lot of 73 00:03:41,370 --> 00:03:44,640 stuff's going to be written into contracts now in such a way that 74 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,410 the writers are going to probably not do as well as they 75 00:03:46,410 --> 00:03:49,650 would have if they just waited to see where this whole new 76 00:03:49,650 --> 00:03:50,730 media thing was headed. 77 00:03:50,790 --> 00:03:55,440 So I think there's there's two things one is the studio's and 78 00:03:55,530 --> 00:04:00,600 or the TV companies. The only real way they're making lots of 79 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,690 money is still on DVD. You know, that's kind of like the after 80 00:04:03,690 --> 00:04:08,460 you've got if you're not lucky enough to get syndication? You 81 00:04:08,460 --> 00:04:10,500 know, after three seasons, something go into syndication, 82 00:04:10,500 --> 00:04:12,150 that's where you really start making some money. 83 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,930 Five season you went five seasons now five seasons. Wow. 84 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,870 Because that gives you five days a week for one. Yeah, you're 85 00:04:18,870 --> 00:04:19,710 right, you're right, five 86 00:04:19,710 --> 00:04:23,820 seasons. But that, of course, is also dwindling, because or at 87 00:04:23,850 --> 00:04:26,640 least I think everyone can see the light at the end of the 88 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:31,380 tunnel. Okay, so clearly online is the it has huge potential. 89 00:04:31,380 --> 00:04:33,390 That's where the money will be shifting. We know that the 90 00:04:33,390 --> 00:04:37,290 eyeballs are shifting towards online. But it's interesting 91 00:04:37,290 --> 00:04:40,530 this timing, although it was you know, planned with their 92 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:46,770 negotiation shedule we're on the verge of the launch of Hulu, 93 00:04:47,280 --> 00:04:50,790 which I think when you know when you can't go there and get last 94 00:04:50,790 --> 00:04:54,390 night's episode or whatever it was, because there was no 95 00:04:54,390 --> 00:04:58,020 episode last night. I think it's gonna be a lot less interesting 96 00:04:58,860 --> 00:05:02,880 than what the network's Probably overvalue their back catalogue, 97 00:05:02,910 --> 00:05:04,020 I guess is what I'm saying. 98 00:05:05,189 --> 00:05:08,729 Yeah, well, they could. Yeah, that's a possibility. And we 99 00:05:08,729 --> 00:05:12,059 don't even know me people were the reviews are coming in. I 100 00:05:12,059 --> 00:05:13,949 haven't gotten an account on Hulu. 101 00:05:13,980 --> 00:05:16,860 Yeah, me neither I applied. But you know, it's like applied. 102 00:05:16,890 --> 00:05:20,310 They're tiny. It's I'm on the TSA list, man. How can I expect 103 00:05:20,310 --> 00:05:21,420 to get on the Hulu list? 104 00:05:21,990 --> 00:05:25,170 I, you know, I should be able to get on this list, as you know, 105 00:05:25,170 --> 00:05:28,560 just from my fact that I have all these outlets, street cred, 106 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,590 man. But I don't even know who to talk to. 107 00:05:31,919 --> 00:05:33,149 What didn't you sign up, 108 00:05:33,180 --> 00:05:36,630 I just signed up on the on the website and I got the letter or 109 00:05:36,630 --> 00:05:39,240 you're on, you're on a waiting list. And you'll be on one day 110 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,030 it's like joining bohemian club or something. It'd be 14 years 111 00:05:42,030 --> 00:05:46,470 later, I'll get in. So it's, you know, so I'm a little 112 00:05:46,470 --> 00:05:48,600 disappointed there. So but but other people have gotten on, I 113 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,970 actually could probably call these guys and say, Hey, can you 114 00:05:50,970 --> 00:05:53,250 let me borrow your password? Let me go check it out. Right. I 115 00:05:53,250 --> 00:05:56,730 haven't bothered. But the, you know, the reviews are coming in. 116 00:05:56,730 --> 00:05:58,890 They're kind of mixed. But there was an article that ran in the 117 00:05:58,890 --> 00:06:01,560 New York Times discussing this. And the cool thing about this 118 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,400 article was in bits, or whatever that thing is, the cool thing 119 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:09,090 about the article was they had a lot of interesting comments from 120 00:06:09,090 --> 00:06:12,180 the commenters. You know, the normal readers, and many of them 121 00:06:12,180 --> 00:06:16,620 were very critical of the whole concept. And the way NBC was 122 00:06:16,620 --> 00:06:19,650 approaching this, and you know, and their pals, and, 123 00:06:20,310 --> 00:06:22,590 interestingly enough, not you you just said something there, 124 00:06:22,590 --> 00:06:26,700 John, you don't have a beta account. I don't have a beta 125 00:06:26,700 --> 00:06:32,400 account. Who are these people that have seen this? And why did 126 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:33,480 they get on the list? 127 00:06:34,410 --> 00:06:37,380 I don't know. It's worth asking. Yeah. I mean, somebody to ask, 128 00:06:37,380 --> 00:06:37,530 who 129 00:06:37,529 --> 00:06:39,899 was who was actually who do you know, that's gotten on the list 130 00:06:39,899 --> 00:06:42,119 that has written about it, that someone of influence? 131 00:06:42,420 --> 00:06:44,880 No, I think there's a couple of people that seen it, if I 132 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,360 remember, you know, and if you go to Google and look it up, 133 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,480 you'll find people who are reviewing it. And they tend to 134 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,920 be the early rah rah boys, you know, guys, they'd like they 135 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:57,930 never seen anything in their life. This is the greatest thing 136 00:06:57,930 --> 00:07:03,690 ever, you know, and that usually fades after you know, some more 137 00:07:03,690 --> 00:07:05,880 realistic people come into the scene. So maybe they're just 138 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,330 slipping into the shields that are going to give them a high 139 00:07:09,330 --> 00:07:13,140 PR. I don't know. i All I know is that the whole thing is 140 00:07:13,170 --> 00:07:17,370 messed up. And it's it, I can't believe it. Most people don't 141 00:07:17,370 --> 00:07:19,110 think it's going to be successful, just out of the gun. 142 00:07:19,230 --> 00:07:22,680 So just back to the Writers Guild of America. And so 143 00:07:22,740 --> 00:07:25,830 actually, I've been out all day, have they gone on strike? This 144 00:07:26,220 --> 00:07:28,080 is the strike on now, if they started that, 145 00:07:28,499 --> 00:07:31,709 from what I understand from the last news report, I saw it's a 146 00:07:31,709 --> 00:07:34,169 done deal. And it's going to going to happen on Monday. 147 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:38,430 Okay. And since down, pencils down mean pencils down. 148 00:07:39,029 --> 00:07:41,849 But whether it really does I mean, things ended the last 149 00:07:41,849 --> 00:07:43,949 minute could be a threat than idle threat. 150 00:07:43,980 --> 00:07:47,820 So do you think it'll, it'll affect our world? 151 00:07:49,259 --> 00:07:53,819 No, I think it's actually beneficial to, you know, in the 152 00:07:53,819 --> 00:07:54,839 new media, right, 153 00:07:54,839 --> 00:07:56,549 so it affects us in a positive way. 154 00:07:57,149 --> 00:07:58,889 Yeah, I think it's because people are going to be looking 155 00:07:58,889 --> 00:08:01,139 around at other things, you know, it's not gonna really make 156 00:08:01,139 --> 00:08:03,299 much of a difference right off the bat. Because, I mean, the 157 00:08:03,299 --> 00:08:05,219 only people that are gonna be immediately affected are the 158 00:08:05,219 --> 00:08:08,189 late night shows and The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. Jon 159 00:08:08,189 --> 00:08:10,679 Stewart, half the time he's on vacation anyway, let's face 160 00:08:10,679 --> 00:08:11,429 reality, he 161 00:08:11,430 --> 00:08:14,910 but he actually has to, I mean, he's in WGA, Letterman's and 162 00:08:14,910 --> 00:08:16,530 WGA. You know, they actually have 163 00:08:16,529 --> 00:08:20,459 to go on strike. Yeah, man, I'll be out the lateral Leno will be 164 00:08:20,459 --> 00:08:23,849 gone and The Daily Show be gone. It's called bear but you know, 165 00:08:23,849 --> 00:08:27,089 those guys call Baron and daily show those guys are half the 166 00:08:27,089 --> 00:08:28,199 time they're gone. Anyway, 167 00:08:28,199 --> 00:08:32,369 it's yeah, I will say I'm all for unions. And it you know, I 168 00:08:33,209 --> 00:08:36,119 I'm not maybe not agreeing with the leadership and what their 169 00:08:36,119 --> 00:08:39,479 decisions are. But unions are a good idea. And I think people 170 00:08:39,479 --> 00:08:42,569 should be able to organise and share their shows power. Well, 171 00:08:42,569 --> 00:08:42,929 just 172 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,460 one up. Yes. I actually used to be a union organiser. So I 173 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:53,160 affect that or teamster, I wish I wish I helped organise a union 174 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,500 and we got it under, you know, underway in the whole thing. So 175 00:08:55,500 --> 00:08:57,660 I went through the whole process and a lot of training. I know, 176 00:08:57,660 --> 00:09:00,240 the whole, you know, all the Litany on both sides of the 177 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,990 thing. And I'm pro union. I was in a number of unions when I was 178 00:09:03,990 --> 00:09:06,570 younger, when I you know, when I was working when I was going 179 00:09:06,570 --> 00:09:08,790 through college, and I worked during the summers, I joined 180 00:09:08,790 --> 00:09:11,370 different unions. And even when I was in high school, I was in 181 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:12,090 very soon. 182 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:16,020 Well, you know, I joined after and I got a SAG card. And really 183 00:09:16,020 --> 00:09:20,970 it was it was it was all about the insurance. Just having good 184 00:09:20,970 --> 00:09:23,130 health insurance. That's really what I cared about. 185 00:09:23,490 --> 00:09:28,320 Well, you know, that's, that's important. But anyway, the point 186 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,800 is, and so I'm not, you know, an anti Union by any means. I think 187 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:33,780 there are good things I think they're a little passe. I think 188 00:09:33,780 --> 00:09:36,450 they need to be rethought the way they're the way they work. 189 00:09:36,780 --> 00:09:40,530 But yeah, union 2.0 The Social Network 190 00:09:40,620 --> 00:09:43,590 now now you're talking but it's just it just seems to me that 191 00:09:43,590 --> 00:09:47,400 the leadership of a lot of unions is flaky. Yeah. And, and 192 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,670 they and in this case, I think there's there weren't you know, 193 00:09:50,670 --> 00:09:54,510 there that's not leadership. It's just kind of a knee jerk 194 00:09:54,510 --> 00:09:58,140 kind of thing. This this whole attacking new media before they 195 00:09:58,140 --> 00:10:02,760 even know how it's gonna you know, kind of unroll or roll 196 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,880 out, you're unsure. So that was weird. 197 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,910 Perfect timing. 10 minutes in. That's what we should keep the 198 00:10:08,910 --> 00:10:10,290 topics to. Let's try that. 199 00:10:11,130 --> 00:10:15,180 I like it. So let's see what's next like water? Well, you'd 200 00:10:15,180 --> 00:10:17,280 like you got the black water topic you're coming from the 201 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,620 Europeans perspective. What are they thinking over there when 202 00:10:19,620 --> 00:10:21,450 they see all this? Blackwater stuff? First 203 00:10:21,450 --> 00:10:24,360 of all, I don't think the Europeans are aware of 204 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:28,140 Blackwater at all. I really Oh, yeah. Not at all. You know, it's 205 00:10:30,330 --> 00:10:35,460 we did a round of press releases and in our, in our PR agency in 206 00:10:35,460 --> 00:10:40,800 the UK, went to all of the highbrow broadsheets with my Ron 207 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,760 Paul interview. And it just as an example of the the lack of 208 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:49,440 knowledge, and 40% did not know who the man was. And these were 209 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,830 the political editors of, you know, like, well, I don't know, 210 00:10:52,830 --> 00:10:55,530 I don't want to say which publication? Which ones? Yeah, 211 00:10:55,530 --> 00:10:58,560 typically, but all the big ones like, you know, the times the 212 00:10:58,740 --> 00:11:02,190 Guardian Daily Mail, you know, the real the real broadsheets. 213 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,520 40% didn't even know who he was. And then they said, Well, you 214 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,210 know, he's just an isolationist, and he's not making any noise. 215 00:11:09,210 --> 00:11:13,710 So, you know, has no traction. They were unaware of the amount 216 00:11:13,710 --> 00:11:16,410 of money don't really understand the significance of it, I'd have 217 00:11:16,410 --> 00:11:21,360 to say that knowledge level of how our political system works 218 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:25,560 is very, very low. And the story about Blackwater, it just gets 219 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:29,490 drowned out that the by the way, the United Kingdom has some crap 220 00:11:29,490 --> 00:11:33,600 of their own. That also was in the news. It's not just about 221 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,650 what's going on over here. But no, they have no knowledge of 222 00:11:37,650 --> 00:11:39,000 Blackwater. However, 223 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,100 what the reason we have an interrupt here, because the 224 00:11:41,100 --> 00:11:43,560 reason that's that's interesting to me is because one of my 225 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:47,430 bloggers on the vorak uncensored, the word.org/blog 226 00:11:47,430 --> 00:11:52,290 for anyone who doesn't know who posted the Blackwater story went 227 00:11:52,290 --> 00:11:56,190 on to a kind of a tirade, which I actually edited out because I 228 00:11:56,190 --> 00:11:59,610 thought it was over the top. But he before I edited it went on 229 00:11:59,610 --> 00:12:02,160 about No wonder, you know, talking about Blackwater, no 230 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,100 wonder the Europeans and all these countries hate us because 231 00:12:05,100 --> 00:12:07,170 we're doing stuff like this. And now you're telling me they don't 232 00:12:07,170 --> 00:12:10,080 even know we're doing stuff like this, which makes the commentary 233 00:12:10,110 --> 00:12:11,070 ludicrous. 234 00:12:11,820 --> 00:12:15,750 No, no, no, it's also here's, here's my issue. And there's 235 00:12:15,750 --> 00:12:18,570 actually there's a great I think it's the only interview that 236 00:12:18,570 --> 00:12:22,380 I've been able to find of Eric Prince. This is the guy who the 237 00:12:22,380 --> 00:12:24,360 CEO and founder of blood head 238 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,090 guy. Oh, by the way, he was on a lot of tea while you were in 239 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:28,860 London. He was on a lot of TV. 240 00:12:28,950 --> 00:12:31,650 Yeah, but this is a one hour Charlie Rose interview. 241 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,169 Did you see that? Okay. No, I didn't see it. 242 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,530 So you know, when Charlie Rose really, and he rose was fucking 243 00:12:37,530 --> 00:12:40,590 great. As always, you know, he just like really calmly, just 244 00:12:40,590 --> 00:12:45,900 can sticks the knife. And, and I gotta say, first of all, you 245 00:12:45,900 --> 00:12:48,120 know, the guy is from Dutch descent, which is kind of 246 00:12:48,150 --> 00:12:54,270 interesting. Just, to me, personally, uh, huh. He was 247 00:12:54,270 --> 00:12:57,210 spotless, the way he went through this, a couple of things 248 00:12:57,210 --> 00:13:01,800 that are, are, are interesting. First of all, what he's claiming 249 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,160 at least, is that what Blackwater really does is they 250 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:10,410 train so they also train, Army and Navy and Air Force and 251 00:13:10,410 --> 00:13:13,470 Marines, you know, they just a training facility and outsource 252 00:13:13,470 --> 00:13:18,960 essentially, they train people, and then they hand them over, 253 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:25,680 they are actually under military command. That's the way he made 254 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:28,710 it sound. And I watched, I watched the back a couple times, 255 00:13:28,710 --> 00:13:31,800 like, okay, so they don't, they're not operating completely 256 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:37,740 in a vacuum there. But it's, it's, you know, okay. Besides 257 00:13:37,740 --> 00:13:40,530 the fact that he's part of the war industrial complex, you 258 00:13:40,530 --> 00:13:44,520 know, there's really no difference between a service 259 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,900 that he's providing, or, you know, companies that are making 260 00:13:49,860 --> 00:13:54,570 jet fighter jets and ships and, you know, and, and catering. I 261 00:13:54,570 --> 00:13:58,020 mean, there are more commercial companies I've come to 262 00:13:58,050 --> 00:14:00,720 understand. And I got to believe there are more commercial 263 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:05,190 companies in Iraq, personnel, headcount wise, that are 264 00:14:05,220 --> 00:14:10,170 military personnel. You just don't think of it that way. But 265 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,780 all of the infrastructure, all of the support that's coming 266 00:14:12,780 --> 00:14:15,840 from commercial companies, which of course, pumping money into 267 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:16,680 the economy. 268 00:14:17,250 --> 00:14:21,900 There is a generally speaking, they at least have word here is, 269 00:14:22,530 --> 00:14:27,330 is that half the soldiers over there are contractors, exact for 270 00:14:27,330 --> 00:14:31,110 military. Yeah. And there's some of that people are complaining 271 00:14:31,110 --> 00:14:33,390 about the fact that for example, this is kind of weird. For 272 00:14:33,390 --> 00:14:36,090 example, the Army's not even especially in the green zone, 273 00:14:36,090 --> 00:14:38,490 supposedly, and I have friends in the green zone. I'd have to 274 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:42,180 verify this, but I'm hearing that they have catering 275 00:14:42,180 --> 00:14:45,960 companies that are independent contractors doing the food for 276 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:47,370 the Army dudes, Burger 277 00:14:47,370 --> 00:14:50,970 King is in the Burger King and fucking, what's not Domino's 278 00:14:51,090 --> 00:14:54,870 Pizza Hut, are on the bus. I was in Bosnia on the base, and 279 00:14:54,870 --> 00:15:00,990 there's a fucking Burger King and a Pizza Hut. Did I just blow 280 00:15:00,990 --> 00:15:03,000 you away? Did you not come back on me there, John? 281 00:15:06,270 --> 00:15:11,700 No, I'm here. Okay. So the point is, is what happened to the 282 00:15:11,700 --> 00:15:15,330 case? You know, the KP the army cook. I mean, why aren't they do 283 00:15:15,330 --> 00:15:17,730 cooking for themselves? It just doesn't make any sense to me. 284 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:18,270 Well, even 285 00:15:18,270 --> 00:15:23,610 worse, the guys who are there on 35, you know, $40,000 a year. 286 00:15:24,270 --> 00:15:27,450 They're looking at these other guys and saying, fuck, you know, 287 00:15:27,450 --> 00:15:30,900 this guy is making 100 200 G's. Maybe these guys are highly 288 00:15:30,900 --> 00:15:34,710 paid, you know, highly paid. And so they're like, No, that's what 289 00:15:34,710 --> 00:15:38,370 I should be worth. And isn't that completely de moralising? 290 00:15:38,970 --> 00:15:41,190 Well, I think that's a reason they're having trouble 291 00:15:41,190 --> 00:15:42,780 recruiting people, because people are saying, Why should I 292 00:15:42,780 --> 00:15:45,750 work go into the army? If I can get a job with Blackwater? I can 293 00:15:45,750 --> 00:15:46,980 make 10 times more money. 294 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:51,660 Exactly. Well, and so I guess the revelation here is I don't 295 00:15:51,660 --> 00:15:58,440 think the American public even is aware of exactly this, you 296 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,600 know, the amount the fact that would that that we have more 297 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:05,550 contractors over there than enlisted servicemen and women 298 00:16:05,820 --> 00:16:09,330 about these discrepancies in pay. I mean, that I think that's 299 00:16:09,330 --> 00:16:12,120 really the big eye opener, and people are gonna start saying, 300 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,280 wait a minute, this isn't right. 301 00:16:16,169 --> 00:16:20,759 Yeah, no, it's it's ridiculous. And I think I'm the guy I know 302 00:16:20,759 --> 00:16:23,999 that's over there. Who I email with every so often he says 303 00:16:23,999 --> 00:16:27,779 they're making more money than God. And he's like, you know, 304 00:16:27,779 --> 00:16:28,649 driving a truck. 305 00:16:30,059 --> 00:16:33,449 So every single time you write off one of those checks to the 306 00:16:33,449 --> 00:16:36,719 IRS, you know, that's literally what's being done with it. 307 00:16:37,230 --> 00:16:40,770 Actually, I was set the I paid my IRS bill on October 15. 308 00:16:40,770 --> 00:16:43,830 Because I've you know, one of those guys, but I'm in line at 309 00:16:43,830 --> 00:16:47,640 the post office with about 10 other guys all my age, you know, 310 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,070 same kind of thing. And they're all standing there to get to 311 00:16:50,070 --> 00:16:55,530 postmark on the cheque or on the on the envelope. And, and we 312 00:16:55,530 --> 00:16:58,680 started chatting with each other you know, as fellow comrades. 313 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,080 And I guess I wonder how many Yeah, I got his big cheque. I 314 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:02,790 wonder how many bullets it's gonna buy? 315 00:17:03,900 --> 00:17:08,070 Exactly. Yeah, I think I think I bought a jet or two. 316 00:17:09,210 --> 00:17:12,900 No, I probably only bought it Humvee. But it was more than I 317 00:17:12,900 --> 00:17:13,650 wanted to spend. 318 00:17:13,710 --> 00:17:16,230 As long as you got a Hummer out of the deal. Yeah, I 319 00:17:16,230 --> 00:17:21,000 wish I could have been nice to have like a, you know, they 320 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,400 should have made I would have rather bought a used Humvee. But 321 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,840 anyway, I guess my hope from all of this is that there's some 322 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,080 kind of way I what I don't think is constructive. And this is 323 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,050 what I'm seeing a lot of online, is people are attacking this 324 00:17:34,050 --> 00:17:36,600 guy, you know, he's evil. And you know, and here's his evil 325 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:40,920 castle. And that's, that's the wrong way and put place to focus 326 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,130 the energy, you know, look at the structure of this, how this 327 00:17:44,130 --> 00:17:45,810 is working, you know, literally, it's an 328 00:17:45,810 --> 00:17:49,770 opportunist. Yeah. Smart guy. I mean, I, you know, I was I was 329 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,290 telling people that, you know, you know, instead of complaining 330 00:17:52,290 --> 00:17:54,480 of I said, Gee, I'm how do we get in on this deal? 331 00:17:55,740 --> 00:17:58,380 Well, there's, there's really only two kinds of businesses 332 00:17:58,380 --> 00:18:01,380 I've never been interested in. And this is one of them than the 333 00:18:01,380 --> 00:18:03,930 other one is pussy. You know, there's lots of money I can make 334 00:18:03,930 --> 00:18:07,590 in sex, sex business. I mean, that's easy. I just am not 335 00:18:07,590 --> 00:18:09,600 interested in being in that business. But you 336 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,750 mean selling your body? Oh, I see what you mean. You mean 337 00:18:12,750 --> 00:18:13,560 being a pimp? 338 00:18:15,090 --> 00:18:18,210 Would you know that the the best online porn guys, you know, 339 00:18:18,210 --> 00:18:20,040 there, it's all in Amsterdam? 340 00:18:21,450 --> 00:18:24,900 Yeah, there's a lot of it there. I have to say, if I ran it would 341 00:18:24,900 --> 00:18:28,950 years and years ago I was in. I went through Holland. I was at 342 00:18:28,950 --> 00:18:33,120 some event in this one. It was a, it was a early boardwalk 343 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:35,820 magazine thing. It was in Germany. And I ran it a bunch of 344 00:18:35,820 --> 00:18:38,040 these guys. And so you want to just take a run over to 345 00:18:38,070 --> 00:18:42,450 Rotterdam. And we'll go through Belgium and we'll take some beer 346 00:18:42,450 --> 00:18:44,610 and whatever. We got in the car and went over there. And this 347 00:18:44,610 --> 00:18:47,460 guy, we stopped and visited a friend of a friend and he ran. 348 00:18:47,670 --> 00:18:51,060 And this is like in the night, early 90s. In the early 90s. 349 00:18:51,060 --> 00:18:53,610 Before the you know, the net was even going it was the old 350 00:18:53,610 --> 00:18:57,150 bulletin board scene. Yeah. And he had his nice little house and 351 00:18:57,150 --> 00:18:58,080 it was just fine. 352 00:18:58,110 --> 00:19:02,160 Oh, yeah. Sex farm with. That's what we call him. We're like, 353 00:19:02,190 --> 00:19:02,850 and then 354 00:19:02,850 --> 00:19:05,940 back. He said he in the back room. He had a bunch of servers. 355 00:19:06,750 --> 00:19:09,180 And they were cranking out porn, like there's no tomorrow. 356 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,620 Yeah, yeah, regulation was real easy. And it's socially 357 00:19:13,620 --> 00:19:16,050 acceptable just to set up a business like that. 358 00:19:16,410 --> 00:19:18,630 Yeah. And he was, you know, cranking away and then I thought 359 00:19:18,630 --> 00:19:21,270 it was like, wow, that's interesting. He was nonchalant 360 00:19:21,270 --> 00:19:23,580 about the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah, that's the 361 00:19:23,580 --> 00:19:27,990 way we roll with it, man. I spent elixirs 362 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:33,180 been elixirs, so but anyway, yeah, those businesses you know 363 00:19:33,180 --> 00:19:35,220 you don't have to go to those businesses unless you have to 364 00:19:35,220 --> 00:19:37,860 but you you know it does look like easy money if you wanted to 365 00:19:37,860 --> 00:19:39,840 get caught up in it. But you know, the funny thing is about 366 00:19:40,260 --> 00:19:43,440 because I when I was doing the Tech TV show silicon spin, we 367 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,380 used to have different people on it used to have a Danny ash on a 368 00:19:46,380 --> 00:19:51,270 lot and all kinds of who's Danny ash Yanni. Yeah, she was Danny 369 00:19:51,270 --> 00:19:53,880 she was the one that she she makes like we figure $4 million 370 00:19:54,180 --> 00:19:59,310 a year do it just softcore Okay, she's a soft core girl and she 371 00:19:59,310 --> 00:20:02,940 has a bunch She has her sights Danny's hard drive. Oh, Daddy's 372 00:20:02,940 --> 00:20:05,550 hard drive. Okay, I've heard of that. Sure. And she would 373 00:20:05,550 --> 00:20:08,730 sweetest thing you ever wanted to me. She's gorgeous too. And 374 00:20:08,730 --> 00:20:11,040 she'd be honest. But she's a business woman. She's actually a 375 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,100 hard core business woman. And she would have some real 376 00:20:14,100 --> 00:20:17,070 interesting insights into all this stuff. And her husband was 377 00:20:17,070 --> 00:20:20,250 like, like a lawyer. She was like the business woman. He's a 378 00:20:20,250 --> 00:20:23,580 lawyer. She's a stripper or not a stripper. But whatever she 379 00:20:23,580 --> 00:20:26,850 was, she showed, you know, she, she did, like an exhibitionist, 380 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:27,390 that's, you know, 381 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,650 high end, sexy shots, hot shots, right? 382 00:20:31,650 --> 00:20:34,230 That's about it. But she would make it. We did some 383 00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:37,860 calculations at the time. And this was in the late 90s 98, 384 00:20:37,860 --> 00:20:40,800 maybe 99, something like that, that we finished was made about 385 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,580 2.5 Based on our numbers and the rest of what we knew, but I have 386 00:20:44,610 --> 00:20:47,070 other people would come through this show and they were porn 387 00:20:47,340 --> 00:20:49,890 people. And they were you could tell that they were being 388 00:20:49,890 --> 00:20:53,160 corrupted by Danny less so because she was, you know, I 389 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,430 think she was pretty. Just a normal exhibition, this type of 390 00:20:56,430 --> 00:21:00,390 woman. But other people you could see especially men, you 391 00:21:00,390 --> 00:21:03,000 could see them just slowly creeping toward that. Let's 392 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,820 we're let's I think I'd look pretty good with that big gold 393 00:21:05,820 --> 00:21:10,080 necklace. Yeah, exactly. Maybe I should open my shirt up a little 394 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,870 bit more. You know, I've been growing some hair here with a 395 00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:15,420 gold necklace. I think it's gonna look pretty good look. 396 00:21:15,450 --> 00:21:18,690 Yeah, that's really well, you can just see him falling into 397 00:21:18,690 --> 00:21:21,030 it. I you know, I could grease my hair a little more. I think 398 00:21:21,030 --> 00:21:23,700 maybe that will look good. What about a moustache takeaway 399 00:21:23,700 --> 00:21:27,900 from this? When we're standing in line at the post office, to 400 00:21:27,900 --> 00:21:33,930 put in our big ass IRS checks? We'd much rather they go to porn 401 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,570 that we that we at least can get enjoy the fruits of our labour 402 00:21:39,570 --> 00:21:42,900 that way then through bullets and shooting hot leaded other 403 00:21:42,900 --> 00:21:44,010 people in deserts. 404 00:21:44,940 --> 00:21:47,460 What are you advocating the government invest in porn? Yeah, 405 00:21:47,460 --> 00:21:47,760 right 406 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:52,350 on. I'm running on that ticket. You wait, my work. All right. 407 00:21:52,350 --> 00:21:55,590 What do we have next your turn? Well, a lot of 408 00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:58,080 people in Europe don't realise that we have this weird drought 409 00:21:58,110 --> 00:22:00,210 effect. I think a lot of people the United States unless they're 410 00:22:00,210 --> 00:22:03,810 local to to Georgia and Tennessee and places like that. 411 00:22:03,810 --> 00:22:05,880 don't realise there's been a drought going on there for about 412 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:11,520 a year. And it just turned out that today. Apparently, some 413 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:16,590 town in Tennessee went bone dry. So if everybody in this whole 414 00:22:16,590 --> 00:22:20,100 city, you open the taps nothing, nothing came out. Wow, what a 415 00:22:20,100 --> 00:22:22,770 nightmare, huh, was not only a nightmare, but it would it 416 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,650 causes all kinds of other issues. Because when you dry 417 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,800 when you take the water out of the system, you know, the pipes 418 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,340 now don't have anything holding them up in some places and they 419 00:22:32,340 --> 00:22:34,650 start to corrode, roots start corroding real fast, because 420 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,860 oxygen is now hitting them. And you end up with a long term 421 00:22:37,860 --> 00:22:41,280 problem that's hard to resolve. But nothing is going to get 422 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,530 resolved unless it starts raining and it won't probably 423 00:22:43,530 --> 00:22:45,120 rain in that area for another month. 424 00:22:45,149 --> 00:22:47,039 So has a female moved in yet? 425 00:22:47,639 --> 00:22:48,599 Oh, well, that would help. 426 00:22:50,369 --> 00:22:53,609 Isn't that what they're there for? That's the Emergency 427 00:22:53,729 --> 00:22:56,429 Management Agency. They're supposed to step in and save 428 00:22:56,429 --> 00:22:56,909 everyone. 429 00:22:57,990 --> 00:23:00,270 Well, I don't know what the they got the truck and water I guess. 430 00:23:00,270 --> 00:23:02,880 But it's interesting that we're having a drought well, like, you 431 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,980 know, over the last couple years, they've been having these 432 00:23:04,980 --> 00:23:09,690 floods, especially in England. In those nice coastal areas 433 00:23:09,690 --> 00:23:11,160 around Cornwall, not even the 434 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,720 coastal areas, man. It was from Wales on up. And it it started 435 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,120 to hit London that that's when all of a sudden the emergency 436 00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:21,630 relief came in is when Gordon Brown's hush puppies start to 437 00:23:21,630 --> 00:23:22,170 get wet. 438 00:23:24,210 --> 00:23:26,640 So what would happen if those tubes all flooded? 439 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:35,220 Yeah, wait, yeah, for real for real? Well, I don't know. It 440 00:23:35,220 --> 00:23:37,410 would certainly fuck up my commute. That's for sure. 441 00:23:38,820 --> 00:23:39,780 You fly in. 442 00:23:40,409 --> 00:23:43,439 But I didn't know that. So and but is this like a big town? Is 443 00:23:43,439 --> 00:23:44,729 it 100,000 People 444 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,120 I just found out about it's probably small town, but it's 445 00:23:48,210 --> 00:23:51,240 the beginning of many towns, they are going to start drying 446 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,150 up it looks like in Georgia is the next state to get hit hard. 447 00:23:54,660 --> 00:23:58,110 They're like down in, you know, just I think they're down to 60 448 00:23:58,110 --> 00:24:03,690 days where the water and then they're done. Wow. All right. 449 00:24:03,690 --> 00:24:06,750 That's interesting. And then meanwhile, the the glaciers are 450 00:24:06,750 --> 00:24:08,640 all melting, why can't they use some of that water? 451 00:24:08,910 --> 00:24:12,720 You know, and that's what I wanted to hit on. I think I read 452 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,800 it on your blog. And then you know, you talk to it first. I 453 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,310 heard it on tech five. And then I went to your to your weblog. 454 00:24:20,970 --> 00:24:21,780 And 455 00:24:22,530 --> 00:24:25,020 there was I haven't actually I haven't actually fully blogged 456 00:24:25,020 --> 00:24:26,670 this yet. I know what you're gonna say, Yeah, this 457 00:24:26,670 --> 00:24:30,270 is about this. Well, you called it a like a mountain of plastic 458 00:24:30,270 --> 00:24:33,390 in the middle of the ocean, which it isn't. But I did find 459 00:24:33,390 --> 00:24:36,510 this fascinating. It's called a I think it was a gyre Is that 460 00:24:36,510 --> 00:24:37,950 what it's called Gyr 461 00:24:37,980 --> 00:24:41,040 II, or a gear? I'm not sure how you pronounce it. Yeah. Well, 462 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,160 there was a link one of the your your readers had posted a 463 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,220 comment to a Google video that was his little mini documentary 464 00:24:47,220 --> 00:24:50,820 about this. This team of volunteers that went to go check 465 00:24:50,820 --> 00:24:54,690 it out. And so this is like 3000 miles off the coast in the 466 00:24:54,690 --> 00:24:55,650 middle of the ocean. 467 00:24:56,010 --> 00:24:57,840 Yeah, once you explain to listeners out there, what we're 468 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:58,710 talking about, okay, 469 00:24:58,859 --> 00:25:03,929 so a jet Higher is it's a natural phenomenon. And there's 470 00:25:03,929 --> 00:25:08,699 a couple of them. Basically, the way the currents flow in this 471 00:25:08,699 --> 00:25:13,979 kind of like this big toilet bowl kind of motion, although, 472 00:25:14,009 --> 00:25:16,109 you know, of course, there's no hole at the bottom that the 473 00:25:16,109 --> 00:25:19,409 water drains down into, but you do have an epicentre of this 474 00:25:19,409 --> 00:25:22,859 swirling water and it just collect stuff and what does it 475 00:25:22,859 --> 00:25:25,199 collect? Well, stuff that's floating, 476 00:25:26,130 --> 00:25:29,760 like plastic, glass, like kick in bottles. And, 477 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:34,230 and, you know, and I couldn't really understand how large this 478 00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:38,370 area was. But you know, I'm thinking like 10,000 miles, you 479 00:25:38,370 --> 00:25:43,530 know, just some an unbelievable area of water. And they went 480 00:25:43,530 --> 00:25:47,370 through it and literally now it's not like, what you almost 481 00:25:47,370 --> 00:25:49,800 automatically imagine is this huge, like all these plastic 482 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,830 bottles floating Of course, that's not really true. Because 483 00:25:52,830 --> 00:25:56,220 plastic does break down. In fact, it gets really brittle 484 00:25:56,220 --> 00:25:59,940 because of the salt water and the sun. And it breaks up and, 485 00:26:00,030 --> 00:26:03,720 and it breaks into very microscopic bits, that of 486 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,650 course, the plankton feeding organisms are now feeding on. 487 00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:11,550 And so that, you know, there's a whole sub story there of new 488 00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:16,080 deformed sea creatures, like these monsters that are gonna 489 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,860 grow out of this shit. But you know, there's 10 times as much 490 00:26:19,980 --> 00:26:25,470 plastic in the water, as there is plankton. And it's just 491 00:26:25,500 --> 00:26:30,750 unbelievable. You think, you know? You see stuff that just 492 00:26:30,750 --> 00:26:34,230 gets discarded and it goes out to sea. But where does it go? It 493 00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:38,370 goes into this big fucking, you know, this cesspool in the 494 00:26:38,370 --> 00:26:38,730 middle of 495 00:26:38,729 --> 00:26:41,579 the ocean, supposedly the size of Texas. 496 00:26:42,570 --> 00:26:45,390 Right, that's more than 10,000 square miles. No, no, 497 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,790 no. And well, I don't know how many square miles it is, but 498 00:26:47,790 --> 00:26:51,120 it's probably, I don't know, when I finally get this big 499 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:55,020 look. It's big. It's a big piece of Gob goo out there and 500 00:26:55,020 --> 00:26:59,550 apparently birds land on it, and often get trapped. Because you 501 00:26:59,550 --> 00:27:00,630 know, as well, this 502 00:27:00,630 --> 00:27:03,660 plastic rope, there's buoys, there's all kinds of, you know, 503 00:27:03,690 --> 00:27:07,410 stuff that you'd kind of expect to be there. But there's 504 00:27:07,710 --> 00:27:09,210 fluorescent tubes. 505 00:27:09,660 --> 00:27:11,940 The idea of a big buoy with a belt on it. Dang. 506 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,720 Yeah, but it's just like, that's where all the trash goes. It's 507 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,220 just Yeah, it was. It was pretty wicked. Oh, this here's it. If 508 00:27:20,220 --> 00:27:23,070 we're done with this one, I got a story that just blew me away. 509 00:27:23,730 --> 00:27:26,820 Well, wait, let's not get get fit. I think they should nuke 510 00:27:26,820 --> 00:27:27,090 it. 511 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,270 Nuke nuke the gyre. 512 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:32,700 Would you next story. 513 00:27:33,690 --> 00:27:39,360 Okay, thanks. Now, this is like a music business story. Do you 514 00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:40,830 know who Seymour Stein is? 515 00:27:41,940 --> 00:27:43,380 The name rings a bell but no. 516 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:49,260 Okay. Seymour Stein is the guy who first he legend in the music 517 00:27:49,260 --> 00:27:53,610 business started Sire Records. And Sire Records, you know, had 518 00:27:53,610 --> 00:27:57,900 many famous artists. But Seymour Stein is really known for 519 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,280 Madonna. He really took Madonna into mainstream did the first 520 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:07,080 big album were there and he was her. Syrah was her record label 521 00:28:07,530 --> 00:28:11,310 in the in the very beginning of her career. And Seymour Stein is 522 00:28:11,370 --> 00:28:15,000 really, I've hung up, I hung out with him, you know, back in the, 523 00:28:15,150 --> 00:28:18,780 I don't know, like mid 80s in London. And just one of these 524 00:28:18,780 --> 00:28:23,220 really weird guys. Typical music industry guys, like he had a 525 00:28:23,370 --> 00:28:30,000 fish tank in his office with 100 pound a 50 No 50 pound notes at 526 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,240 the bottom of this aquarium and they were Parana swimming in the 527 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,870 aquarium like you're welcome to go grab the 50 pound note if you 528 00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:39,300 don't mind your hand getting eaten by a Purana Yeah, this is 529 00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:45,300 really one of these guys. Right? Hilarious. And, and his ex wife, 530 00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:52,410 Linda Stein was also a legend in the music business. She was a 531 00:28:52,410 --> 00:28:58,470 manager, famously of the Ramones. And she was the most 532 00:28:58,500 --> 00:29:02,970 abrasive woman you can imagine. I mean, she would, she just 533 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,870 would she would yell she would scream at people. She told Joey 534 00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:11,970 Ramone shut the fuck up. You know? When they were touring in 535 00:29:11,970 --> 00:29:15,030 England here he was complaining about everything. He didn't like 536 00:29:15,030 --> 00:29:19,080 the food and she just said then get the fuck back to America you 537 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,430 fucking these legendary. And it's funny because as far as I 538 00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:28,230 know, Seymour Stein was gay if not at least by but you know, it 539 00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:31,680 was really weird these two and of course, they did break up 540 00:29:31,710 --> 00:29:39,330 eventually so she was x for a reason so legendary woman legend 541 00:29:39,330 --> 00:29:44,280 fact as she had cancer and she as she was had been operated on 542 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,520 cancer and she's this is a no just one of those famous stories 543 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,300 about her so take it with a grain of salt. Four hours after 544 00:29:51,300 --> 00:29:54,060 the operation she was already on the phone yelling at someone who 545 00:29:54,060 --> 00:30:00,060 would have fucked something up yeah just just crazy. They He 546 00:30:00,060 --> 00:30:03,570 found her bludgeoned to death in her apartment yesterday in New 547 00:30:03,570 --> 00:30:06,960 York on Fifth Avenue. Oh, really? Yeah. 548 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,140 So it wasn't in the news out here. Well, 549 00:30:10,980 --> 00:30:15,060 well, there you go. But it's just it's one of those you 550 00:30:15,060 --> 00:30:17,280 watch, the stories will come out, I'm sure because, you know, 551 00:30:18,030 --> 00:30:21,030 lots of artists dealt with her. So I'm sure people are going to 552 00:30:21,030 --> 00:30:23,250 be talking about this. You watch. It's going to be an 553 00:30:23,250 --> 00:30:25,260 interesting story. I'm sure that it'll, 554 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,570 yeah, it sounds like something that's going to develop. That's 555 00:30:27,570 --> 00:30:28,110 interesting. And 556 00:30:28,109 --> 00:30:31,889 you know, who I mean? She is like, you know, who, who really 557 00:30:31,889 --> 00:30:34,109 were her enemies? Who would have wanted to do this? Well, the 558 00:30:34,109 --> 00:30:37,709 answer is fucking everybody. Everybody could have gone off on 559 00:30:37,709 --> 00:30:40,259 this woman at any time and bludgeoned to death. Of course, 560 00:30:40,499 --> 00:30:42,989 you know, she's kind of been out of the business for many years. 561 00:30:42,989 --> 00:30:44,849 So for this to happen now, it's just crazy. 562 00:30:45,660 --> 00:30:53,850 The sounds at your store. What's that? Well, it sounds like 563 00:30:53,850 --> 00:30:56,430 everybody was trying to kill her. So I don't know. That 564 00:30:56,430 --> 00:30:58,170 sounds like a crime that's unsolvable. 565 00:30:58,260 --> 00:31:01,620 Yeah, maybe we should get Grisham on the scene. He'll take 566 00:31:01,620 --> 00:31:02,640 care of it. While we're 567 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,430 talking about that kind of industry. We should mention the 568 00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:08,460 last story I think should be this one, which is the Rick 569 00:31:08,490 --> 00:31:11,580 cotton saga, which is another story that's developing if you 570 00:31:11,580 --> 00:31:14,910 think that other one's going to like get legs. I think this one 571 00:31:14,910 --> 00:31:17,610 may get legs in the blogosphere, because it's just starting to 572 00:31:17,610 --> 00:31:20,640 come out now. And it's it started with a posting in kind 573 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,460 of a private newsletter then went to Ars Technica. Now, one 574 00:31:23,460 --> 00:31:26,460 of my bloggers picked it up. And I have it on the blog, which is 575 00:31:26,460 --> 00:31:32,100 the Rick cotton the the council, the general counsel for NBC 576 00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:35,220 Universal, apparently representing the company made 577 00:31:35,220 --> 00:31:38,460 the suggestion that the society I'm gonna quote from the article 578 00:31:38,460 --> 00:31:41,790 society wastes entirely too much money policing crimes, like 579 00:31:41,790 --> 00:31:45,120 burglary fraud and bank robbing, when it should be doing 580 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:52,050 something about piracy instead. And here's the great quote, our 581 00:31:52,050 --> 00:31:55,230 law in quote, Our allow law enforcement resources are 582 00:31:55,230 --> 00:31:58,740 seriously misaligned, cut and said, if you add up all the 583 00:31:58,740 --> 00:32:01,770 various kinds of property crimes in this country, everything from 584 00:32:01,770 --> 00:32:04,950 theft, to fraud to burglary, bank robber, robbing all of it, 585 00:32:05,130 --> 00:32:08,340 it costs the country 16 billion a year, but intellectual 586 00:32:08,340 --> 00:32:11,730 property crime runs to hundreds of billions of dollars a year. 587 00:32:12,450 --> 00:32:15,990 Go figure this guy like clinically insane Go figure. Now 588 00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:18,330 I'm thinking well, here's a guy who's just you know, a 589 00:32:18,330 --> 00:32:21,300 mouthpiece for the company. But in April, I did some more 590 00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:24,570 research and in April, he was making noise about getting the 591 00:32:24,570 --> 00:32:29,730 White House to instal a cabinet level position for anti piracy. 592 00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:35,190 What are what shows what shows that this NBC produced well, 593 00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:39,240 what is this this incredibly important stuff? That is so 594 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:40,440 important to society? 595 00:32:41,070 --> 00:32:44,790 Heroes, I think is some and then there's a couple others show 596 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,710 a fucking clue, dude. 597 00:32:48,450 --> 00:32:52,440 You know, it's unbelievable to me. Unbelievable. Yeah, well, I 598 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,740 mean, the fact that NBC would let this guy say that on their 599 00:32:55,740 --> 00:33:00,240 behalf that that burglary, you know, essentially what we're 600 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,060 talking about his burglary, robbery bank robbing all this 601 00:33:03,060 --> 00:33:05,550 kind of things meaningless compared to their crappy 602 00:33:05,550 --> 00:33:08,670 business. What was in the junk they put on television, 603 00:33:08,700 --> 00:33:11,220 what was what was the context of this? Where did he say this? 604 00:33:12,390 --> 00:33:15,180 If he was at some, I guess it was in some meeting or an 605 00:33:15,180 --> 00:33:17,040 interview or something like that. I'm going to have 606 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,800 to, we got we got to source that. I got to know more about 607 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:20,160 that. 608 00:33:20,820 --> 00:33:23,130 It's, it's actually right now it's a little hard to find you 609 00:33:23,130 --> 00:33:25,140 can go if you go to Ars Technica, the first people that 610 00:33:25,140 --> 00:33:28,320 actually started running with it, and they sourced it back to 611 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,730 a kind of a newsletter that's online, and they in there 612 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,560 probably have the original source of it. 613 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,170 Dodgy, dodgy dodgy. 614 00:33:37,380 --> 00:33:39,600 That sounds it sounded dodgy to me at first. And then when I 615 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,180 found out that this guy was already working on his cabinet 616 00:33:42,180 --> 00:33:45,870 level, he wanted a secretary of anti piracy in the White House. 617 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,900 I figured it makes nothing but sense that he would say this. 618 00:33:49,530 --> 00:33:54,030 Unreal. To think Well, I hope everyone rips this off and 619 00:33:54,030 --> 00:33:58,860 copies of this wide. Please, and feel free. Feel free to try. You 620 00:33:58,860 --> 00:34:01,200 know, if you can sell some advertising against it. Go 621 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,830 ahead, insert some ads around it. Knock yourself out. We got 622 00:34:04,830 --> 00:34:05,580 no agenda. 623 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,430 Zack, we got no agenda. All right. 624 00:34:08,429 --> 00:34:12,689 So all right, John. Well, next week, working on Friday as well 625 00:34:12,689 --> 00:34:15,149 actually then. Did you do cranky geeks today or is that not fun? 626 00:34:15,149 --> 00:34:15,659 No. What does that 627 00:34:15,660 --> 00:34:21,270 tell us on Wednesday, did it and you know if you're around next 628 00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:24,300 week, maybe can get you over there. Meanwhile, you know, 629 00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:27,510 we've got no agenda and next week, we're going to have more 630 00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:28,710 No, no agenda. 631 00:34:28,740 --> 00:34:33,450 Exactly. All right. I'm Adam curry at the curry condo. 632 00:34:33,959 --> 00:34:35,729 And I'm John C. Dvorak. Okay, 633 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:36,750 we'll talk to you next week. 634 00:34:38,490 --> 00:34:41,850 The best and the brightest served up daily by the sharpest 635 00:34:41,850 --> 00:34:45,000 minds in content delivery Pancho and Limelight