regardless of the weather, rain, sleet, snow or even sunshine
once a week, you're guaranteed you'll get exactly what you
want. And it's not scheduled. It's no, it's no agenda. Can you
tell I'm jet lagged from the curry manner in the United
Kingdom. I'm Adam curry.
And I'm John C. Dvorak up here in what's going to be a hot, hot
day in Northern California. And it is Sunday. We are a day late.
Adam was on a plane and sounds like it too.
Thank you. Actually, it was nice in Los Angeles. I was there
Thursday, Thursday afternoon, Friday and part of Saturday. It
was absolutely beautiful. I mean, it's a it's a messed up
town, but they got some weather man, let me tell you.
Well, you know, if you really want to great weather in
California at San Diego, and I mean, I can't imagine a place
it'd be Los Angeles. Actually.
I've only been to conferences in San Diego, which I'm sure has
given me a very skewed skewed view of the of the city.
Yeah, well, it's not as you know, as exciting as Los Angeles
by any means. But
yeah, man, LA is so full of shit. It's just unbelievable.
Ah, but it was fun. We had a good time.
Please sit for the traffic.
Well, let me think we were up. Friday, we had a Friday morning
breakfast meeting at 730. And I recall saying Iran in the car. I
said, Dude, where is everybody says, Man, you're driving
through Beverly Hills at 730 in the morning. These people don't
work at this time.
Yeah, give them a few hours. And they'd be they'd be there.
Exactly.
Hey, it was oh, I just want I just wanted to say or did you
want to start off or something? Because I had
no, go ahead. And I've got a couple items that I've that had
been. You know, hey, by the way, you know, so I got on Twitter.
Yeah. How many you got now you pass 10,000 on followers?
Yeah, I'm at 10,002 70. Or something like that.
Unbelievable. Not bad for you. Like somebody pointed out? I've
only been on for 20 days, dude.
I don't know. I don't even have 5000. I'll get you some more.
Yeah, could you please can you please paint me out a little
bit? I need more more fans, more followers? Is that how it works?
Now, you know, the thing is not the number of followers five,
like I'm an expert. Now. It's not the number of followers.
It's the quality of the followers. Yes. I have to say
though my 10,000 are high quality?
Of course they are of course that goes without saying but no,
you're right. And we've had this conversation last week, you want
to have people who are gonna take your information and do
something with it. Hopefully propagated further.
Well, that or give you stuff you need to know about. I mean, I
query the group every once in a while for stuff. In fact, I'm
going to put out a, I need to find if I put this on the on the
Twitter, I need to find the best programme that's out there, the
shareware open source or whatever that takes a DVD, and
then turns into a viewable file on your laptop without you know,
in other words, I want to move my DVDs to a laptop, right for a
trip for a trip. But I don't want to bring the DVDs with me.
Well, there's I know in the Mac, there's lots of there's lots of
programmes that will do that.
Yeah, there's a bunch on the PC too. But I haven't found one
that I like, right? They either screw up or they give you the
wrong and the files fix weird or bad. And I just started looking
for this yesterday. So give it a couple days on the Mac,
because I had to do this the other day on the Mac. It's
called fast DVD copy is the programme I use and it was fast.
I was like, boom, you know, just did it. And I could either make
a copy or just spin out a file on my desktop. That was great.
Hey, I watched the you gave me two DVDs. Oh, yeah. One was
empty.
Can kidding? No. It
was it could kept coming up as
what was what was it? What did it maybe I didn't finalise it or
some What did it say? I mean, what is what was written on the
thing?
I'm getting it. I'm getting the one? Let me see. Okay, so the
one that was good was indie spirit.
Okay, I know. There was a couple comedy things. I'll bring you
another copy.
The Indie Spirit Awards was kind of fun to watch. Actually,
I thought you get a kick out of it. Because when I saw it, I was
kind of amused by the fact that you know, this is the probably
the way the Academy Awards were when they began in the 30s. or
whenever it was
cool. It was laid back and everyone's having a good time.
And it was nice,
right? He had all the celebrities there, but it was
like because it seemed like a lot more fun. And it was a
little more profane, which is probably
on Yeah, absolutely. The other the other DVD was Stanhope and
Carlye. Right,
right. That's yeah, there's two comic George Carlin. And yeah,
let's look George Carlin's latest thing. This
is a brand new from George Carlin or is this like a year
that's brand new just came out? Because he did one about maybe
it was two years ago. And that was No, no, this
is like a month ago.
No, I understand. But did you see that one when he like his
big comeback thing?
Yeah, I've seen all of them. This one's better because he
felt off to me. His timing wasn't what he was tearing. He
was like he was sick or something. This one here. He's
kind of, he's superseded that he's gone beyond that. That one
you saw, and now he's actually funny again, he's my hero. I
live only guy. You know, he's like a hyper curmudgeon. So it's
like very, very funny. That's
hyper curmudgeon. I know, I read that a lot. It's like, no
agenda, curry. And the curmudgeon.
Yeah, and people like to word because I think they can spell
it. So I alliteration. Bring that disc back, by the way,
because I want to see what would happen woman
wrong. Okay. So here's, here's one thing I wanted to say. And
it's something that probably will be better for blog posts,
but I'm just too tired to deal with the follow up and all the
comments. And you know, whenever I blog, something about anything
controversial, it's just too tiring. So I just want to say it
here to pod show change his name to me, VO, me V. IO. And in
general, the change will you know, the acceptance, you know,
people like okay, we get it makes sense, don't really
understand where the names coming from. And if anything,
the most common is what the fuck is that name all about? Are you
guys so stupid? You couldn't come up with a better name, and
evil and always say that? Well, yeah. But I just wanted to say,
because we did go through a process. And this is literally
the web 2.0 conundrum, if you will. We had hundreds of great
names. I mean, really, really good names, the URLs.
Unfortunately, the domain names were absolutely unobtainable. I
mean, there were some we had some good names, dude, we had
like, Mojo was one. I liked that a lot. The show was another one.
Dude, people were asking for 200,000 $300,000 For freaking
domain name, and really a non negotiable or negotiable, but
they just wouldn't give it up for anything that we felt was
reasonably just reasonable.
Yeah, you know, I don't think media is that bad. By the way, a
Cali Lewis and I callie.com. In her blog, she has a very good
post on time change. And
you mean the one where she says I'm still a podcaster? Yeah. And
I didn't like that post, because I
feel like it because if that was explanatory, I was pretty good.
I also had a post on my blog, where I
read yours. Yeah, crack down. No, I like that. I like that.
But there's a misconception. You know, this now there's this kind
of meme running around people saying, well, the video that Ron
did, yeah. Okay, so you've seen the comments on it.
Now, you know, I just over it. I, you know, I saw what I saw.
And then I'm, you know, maybe it was a fine name. And I'm on to
the next thing. But no, I didn't read all the comments about Ron.
So
it was just something. Well, that was something else it was,
you know, Ron said, you know, there's no business modelling
user generated content I filled in a lot of people are like,
well, you know, what are we doing then? And what a slap in
the face of independent producers everywhere and
podcasters? And it's like, oh, this user generated content is
Am I wrong? Or is that? Is that not clearly understood as to be
basically everything that's on these sites like YouTube and,
and social networking sites? Isn't that more the definition
of user content?
Yeah, it is to me, but I think we wouldn't the way it was
presented, it sounds as you know, the problem is what we're
doing here, which is commercially viable, too. But no
agenda show is, by a broad definition is user generated.
Yeah. By the way, let's take a look at the, you know, Star Wars
movie, by all, you know, by a broad definition, it's user
generated. I mean, somebody involves not done by a robot.
Yeah. So but no, I think what they there's has to be a better
term. inside baseball people like you and me, I mean, people
that are in the business as it were, that's user generated
content. No, no, what I'm saying we our definition of user
generated means YouTube one shot video. Yes, exactly. And,
or MySpace stuff, viral stuff on like Facebook or my MySpace,
that also is, whatever it is. That's user generated in my
mind. Yeah.
Or just your pictures on Flickr. But yeah, but so ya know, that
it's a it's a it's a lousy word. It's a lousy term. I mean, it's,
it's not very descriptive. It's or it's too broad. Right. It's
too broad. And so and so and Ron says, some of them in public you
know, the next thing you know, they're all over him. As
the best comment, the best comment I heard is that people
thought he looked like the Fonz.
I did see that that was pretty funny. He does.
So came back. And we had we have a small pond in our backyard, we
have a very English garden. It's maintained meticulously by the
woman who grew up grew up in this house. It was built in the,
in the late 20s. And so she grew up here and she's always done
the garden. And now she's a gardener. And she maintains the
garden is really, really beautiful. It's very mature. And
we have a pond, which is a man made pond and it's small and
it's, it's maybe it's oblong, so maybe it's six feet by four
feet, something like that, maybe a little bit bigger, but about
that size. And two ducks have come come into our backyard and
now we're living in the pond, which is great. You know,
because I'm sure they're gonna they're brooding so it's a male
and a female. And we've had property before where birds and
ducks would come to roost, nowhere to breed, to breed or to
brood, whatever the hell it is to lay eggs. But I was looking
in the, in the pond, and there's about a five, about a four or
five inch fish that has appeared. And it looks really
weird. It has a whole bunch of like fins. I'm trying to get a
picture of it. But you know, the minute of course, it comes to
the, to the surface, you know, and I'm there with a camera it
pops back down. But like, how is this evolution at play? Or how
does a fish all of a sudden show up in basically a swimming pool?
I mean, how did that happen? I don't know that asking me? Well,
actually, yes, I am asking. I'm
not. I'm not. I'm not sure what you're, you know, maybe some
maybe your gardener through the fishing or somebody who knows
maybe there was a fish egg that got thrown in the gutter.
That's what I'm trying to figure out. Because this is really
strange to us. And Patricia said, Well, I think a bird flew
by and dropped it. That sounds ridiculous. It's possible. Maybe
a bird ingested something and pooped out an egg. Is that
possible? Do
you think? No, I that seems unlikely. But I think the bird
could have dropped it. Well, I'm gonna I got a bunch of, you
know, predatory birds around my house you there's a bunch of
hawks and, and everyone's Well, one of them is carrying
something that's a little too big of a load and it drops it
drops it Yeah, but it's a it's a forage fish. It's just like it
appeared out of nowhere. Alright, man.
Well, you should throw some fish in there.
Yeah, it's not really meant to be the fish pie. We've had that.
It's No, I don't like fish. I'm not into fish. Not big on fish.
No, unless I'm eat at it. Unless it's on my plate. So we're
talking about food. We missed it again. I'm sorry. I apologise.
For bummed
people liked us. I don't want to get back. I don't want to make
it. I just want to thank John Arnold, who's a who does photo
walkthrough.com He's a British
photographer. He has a show on the network. And
he sent me a care package from England with some tees in it.
Oh, nice. Finally, somebody. And if anybody sent was he got some
some British twine, some British Tetley, some, some Yorkshire
that's in a different package. I always suspicious about the T's,
you know, like the Twinings we get the United States is packed
in North Carolina or someplace like that. You'll always find it
on there. You have to even look carefully and you'll see it and
it's never as good as seem stale. But the stuff from
England is very good. But so he sent me a big giant box of
Twinings. I've never seen this tea before, and he says what he
drinks instead of PG Tips, which one is it? It's called every
day. Oh, I've
seen that Twinings. I've
never seen it, I guess, having to go back to England more
often. But it's, anyway says Twinings every day and I guess
it's obviously meant to be a competitor with you know, the
tetley's and the PG Tips and whatever else is every day. So I
was actually going to do a taste test with the 80s I tried it's
actually pretty good at somewhere in between. It
actually tastes somewhat in between the regular PG Tips and
the PG Tips gold. It's a little more these a little it's pretty
smooth. It's actually not bad.
I'll pick some up tomorrow.
You check it out. See what you think.
I'd certainly well I did have dinner at koi in Los Angeles.
You familiar with that restaurant? Yeah, that was damn
good man. They had a cod. It was like a slab of cod. With with
the skin still on it and it was kind of in this sweet like this
kind of sweet sticky sauce that was over it and the cod slice
chunk if you will, was laid over a bed of rice. It was it was
like addictive man. It was awesome. You familiar with that
dish.
Never been there. You've never been to koi cannot go to LA
much. I mean, you know
you're right. And so I'm sitting there and then someone walks up
to the table Excuse me Is your name David? At cuz like, Well,
is there any benefit if I just know my friends had you just
look like David that? The stylist?
David this hairstylist?
Do you know him? You know David the hairstylist? No,
I don't. But I could just see somebody seeing your hairstyles
have any hair.
Oh man, Los Angeles, I tell you. What a town.
Yeah, it's a it's an interesting place. I mean, I think it's
vapid, in a lot of different ways. But it did. It has its
moments very entertaining, if you want to just kind of lose
yourself in a, you know, brain dead shallow environment.
Well, the what's been interesting is, of course, now,
you know, the business in general, I think is in so much
turmoil. You know, there's and there's lots of consolidations
and shit going on. Because these studios, you know, the finance
for a movie, it comes from, like hedge funds, you know, and, and
have you ever read the kid stays in the movie, The Robert Evans,
autobiography? No, but I've heard about it. Okay. Well,
don't read the book, get the audio book, because Robert Evans
reads it himself. It is. That wouldn't be the intonation.
That's great. And he has a great voice. Robert Evans is the guy
who produced the love story, The Godfather. He, he was married to
Ali McGraw. I mean, it's a fantastic story about Hollywood.
And the guy, you know, made a lot of money, lost a lot of
money. And he's still around. He's not rich by any means. But
he's still a Hollywood icon. And in that, in that book, I
listened to the audiobook version. You know, he goes
meticulously how these how these la The Godfather was financed,
you know, and this was like the days of golf and Western, you
know, big industrial, like the jerk, the old German guy would
cough up the money, you know. And so this is a town in
trouble, because money's kind of scarce right now. And so there's
less projects, there's less less stuff getting greenlit as they
say, and everyone's talking about the web and the internet
and, you know, and they have all these little buzz stories now
and even though no one's ever seen it, I'm sure they're, they
just copycatting what people are saying about projects like
quarter life I don't know if you followed any of that. But all
these failed projects and but that's just also full of shit
John, they really no,
they're they're totally full of crap down there. That's for
sure. Yeah, just some you can get used to though. You know,
now what you say is is kind of interesting, but it's kind of
contradicts what's actually in some ways it's going on which is
discussed in great detail on shootout, which is a show I
recommend people watch if they're interested at all in the
actually the business side of Hollywood, which is hosted by
Peter Guber. And Peter Barton goober is of course, a famous
producer and also a professor at UCLA find this shoot up. It's on
AMC, and, and the cable channel and then Peter Bart is editor in
chief of variety and they have all these guys on that are
amazing. And but my but let me preface it by mentioning the
last time they had Coppola on where he's complimenting Evans.
And then as an aside, he says, but he's an incredible liar.
Oh, but in the book, they hated each other. Because Coppola
wouldn't deliver the movie and he wouldn't deliver a movie
under six hours. So they literally took the the
incredible liar part comes in. But anyway, but the Coppola
anecdote that he brings up, which is that with Godfather two
or godfather, three things, Godfather two, he suggests
bringing in another director. And he suggested Martin Scorsese
sassy. And and Evans hates, and no way this guy's a loser, it
goes on and on, and never make it. Never make it in this town.
But anyway, what they what they say, though, is not that there's
a bunch of stuff that's, you know, dying on the vine, but
they're, they they two of them both say that in Hollywood right
now, they're actually over producing. There's way too many
movies being cranked out that are junk, and, you know, from
Canada and everyplace else, and that the companies that are
doing all these movies, these, you know, all the people that
own all the studios now are all these big companies like General
Electric, or, you know, Viacom, and they don't really have any
interest in the business. And so everything to them is a, you
know, kind of a bottom line item. And it's just the business
is just a mess.
Well, so I think that what's happening is, up until probably
a year ago, or maybe two years ago, there was a thriving DVD
retail market, not just for blockbusters or movies that had
hit the cinemas, but there was an actual market where you could
produce a movie and it could, you know, could be maybe a $5
million movie or a $10 million movie and you could you could
make money by sending it straight to DVD. And that retail
market of DVD has melted, it's gone. So these are probably
projects that were funded, you know, 12 to 24 months ago and
now the there's no outlet for Lorem and yeah, it is, there's
is disarray for sure. And that they all want to go online, they
all want to do something and they all want their money up
front, which is not going to happen.
Yeah, in fact, one of the things I've noticed in it as a trend
I've been watching the show for a long time is that there are
more and more of these movies that that become successful. And
they're actually really good movies like Little Miss
Sunshine, for example. They bring these different people on
from the show. And they, each of them says, you know, I did this,
I did the sun, talking about big time actors and directors are
specker on scales back, they didn't do anything, basically
worked for free. Well, that was the same
thing with the the indie Spirit Awards, a lot of big name actors
were there who worked either for scale or on spec.
Right, which is an interesting, you know, labour of love versus,
you know, Merkin Thiel approach. And I think there's a lot more
of that going on in all forms of art. Hell, yeah. I mean, I think
I think writers are doing books on spec more than they used to.
Obviously, people were doing movies on spec more than they
used to. And so so the amateur now is the one that comes up and
you know, goes up. I need my money up front. I need this. I
need that. Exactly.
Exactly. Well, and I guess spec, you know, the web 2.0 version of
that is what we call rev share.
Right? Hey, by the way, you open a chat room because I'm getting
people twittering me about whether or not you'd like you
did the last time No,
I didn't do anything.
I mean, are you going to open a chat room? Oh,
I didn't open a chat room last time.
We open something didn't yet. The chat room or IRC channel or
something? No, no,
I don't know. What's your what's your were you on John?
It was a show with you.
I used to listen to the tapes. Here's not something Leo. Did
you know that your real friend?
No, no, Leo. Leo does that he's always done that but you did
something off the wall. And that's why I got a bunch of
Twitter's this morning from people saying was this ad I'm
gonna get no no, no, I
know. No, I know what it is. I know what it is i Okay. What I
always do because people always want to know, whenever I fly
somewhere, myself or commercially, when I land I
always Twitter landed safely at fill in airport code. And to
this morning, I landed and I said landed safely. London
Heathrow. No agenda 28 Coming up later today, so that's what
happened. So people are well, okay, that's what it is. Hey,
just staying in Hollywood for one second. If you follow this
Wesley Snipes story.
It's weird, dude, this
is fucked up.
Yeah, what did the Catholic expect? You know, what do you
throw this? Because she was not as though we haven't got enough.
You know, we have this that came up recently. And people always
complaining about we have 5% of the world's population and 25%
of the world's prisoners. I mean, it's like we just want to
throw everybody in jail for for any reason, but he has a number
now we're having poppers jails. I thought that was always
considered an impractical what you want to do is what they did
with you know, Fresh Prince, what's his name? They he was at
a tax bill like this and they just attached his salary for 10
years.
Okay, but so here's here's the story. So Wesley Snipes was
advised by one of those kooky guys who of course, I'd love to
do this because, you know, being a Ron Paul supporter, you know,
we all feel the IRS is illegal was never ratified and the
government has no right to take your money at a federal level.
And Wesley Snipes got one of these guys, one of these
advisors who you know, says you can prove that you don't have to
pay any income tax. So so they literally did not file it that
these guys went they got four and a half, one guy got four and
a half years, the other guy got 10 years. So this the statement
here is you do actually have to pay income tax. Apparently you
do. But what pisses me off is you've got these Hollywood
bitches like Paris Hilton and Britney Spears and Lindsay Lohan
driving around the city fucking tanked out of their mind and
actual threat to society. And they go in for 24 hours. This is
ridiculous. It's it's just killing me. And meanwhile, OJ
Simpson is is a free man thing. Yeah, golf, it's a dual reality
show. It's just that really freaked me out. I've been going
through some tax stuff in the US and even though I paid my taxes
for, you know, 99 through 2004, whatever appropriate, you have
to file you have to file a Form even if you're living in another
country and paying taxes and so either the forms weren't made up
or whatever it is. So there has to be all reverse engineered.
And let me tell you, man, these guys are heavy on me and now I'm
seeing this I'm like, you know, it's
well yeah, he's the example they always do this. You know, this
has been going on forever. They always find some guy named make
an example out of him. This is the worst case scenario. So he
got, you know, made an example of just to scare the public, and
which is, you know, that way. It's just, it's almost like a
publicity technique. But, but what bugs me the most is the
jail thing because it's not as though that they attached and
you know, took his mansion or whatever, but it's just like we
look for any excuse there is to just throw people in jail. So
people in jail and one somebody pointed out in one of these
right wing talk shows that I like listening to that, you
know, the problem is, is that these many of these jails are
privatised, and these companies are making money by having more
prisoners, and they're lobbying Congress to pass more laws to
make more things illegal with mandatory prison sentence, I
realise it's a money making operation.
And I realised the other day in California, you have a I don't
remember the term you have a special type of jail that you
can pay, you can pay it's like room and board. It's a jail only
you pay a set fee per day, and it's a luxury jail. And this is
where all these Hollywood pitches go to have you heard
about this?
Yeah, I don't know anything about it. But I have heard about
it. It was it came up in the conversation of some recently
and then I kind of lost track of it, I should look into it. You
should It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. You
have money, you can go to a more luxurious jail, what a great
country.
Are they going to jail at all, and half the time these people
shouldn't even be in jail. I mean, it's they have people on
minor drug offences, you know, they've walked around with them,
or they, but some weed on him. And the next thing you know,
they're in jail for 10 years. I mean, who needs it? And the
worst part about the Wesley Snipes thing that bugs me the
worst, instead of collecting the money from the guy by making
them do a million films, and then just taking all the money
and putting it in a tax coffers, putting the guy in jail cost me
money, and he shows like, cost 40,000 bucks a year to keep a
guy in jail. And it's like, why am I paying for his tax issue? I
mean, why don't they just leave him out of jail and make him
work, work it off. And it doesn't make any sense that the
guy would go to jail. And he showed
up with with $5 million and checks and said, you know, he
let me give you a down payment, you know, he has to pay 70
million or something like that. And he showed up with money, 5
million bucks, which they, which they did collect by the way,
they still throw him in jail. But it's just just seems to me
to be a complete back password way of doing things. I mean, and
then the fact is that we're getting, or prisons are just
ridiculous we have we have more people in jail per capita in the
world, and more people in total numbers in the world of any
country. I mean, this includes China and Russia and all these
other crazy places. What's wrong with this picture? And then we I
was just watching the other day. Yeah, Schwarzenegger was on
America's Most Wanted talking about how we need more prisons.
So we need to put more people in jail. I'm thinking Why don't get
me how about doing something about the crime. I mean, while
we're doing very important work, John, we're making sure that
death by lethal injection doesn't hurt too much. We've
been doing a lot of work on that. Have you been following
that? Yeah, yeah, God, it's messed up, they
go back to a guillotine. Anyways,
isn't that much, much less painful? I would think yeah, it
is. Over done with and I'm a big fan is the wrong word. But I
feel you know, this should be televised, we put everything in
the world, we put kids getting shot up the fuckup in the
desert, we put it all on television, but then we're gonna
hide it when we kill someone who we think is deserves to be
killed really deserves it. And that's, that's a reality show.
We should do that. It's
been discussed before I have actually figured that some years
ago that this is one of these days. I mean, just like the
Roman Empire or whatever, we're gonna have to televise these
things. But you know, the fact is, are so few and these
executions are so few and far between, they just assumed keep
these guys on death row, you know,
forever, but that's what's great. Mark Burnett will do a
fantastic job because we'll actually call it death row. And
every you know, it's like the Big Brother house meets the
guillotine. Because you know, you've you followed the inmates,
you fall in love with them, they become endearing to you as
they're on death row, and then we kill them.
Yeah, well, that's never gonna happen. And with with this group
that's currently running things, they'd rather just put people in
jail. So talking about the society being kind of post
skewed. No, this is we're finishing up and you probably
didn't notice it because you're too busy with meetings. But this
last week was Green Week.
No. Notice I saw I saw buttons, badges and posters.
This is what we we always love to pay lip service to these
things,
buttons, badges and posters, everybody how green are we?
It's it's I've been actually recording a few of these things
because they have like special. There's two things that have
cropped up that in the Greenway. One is if you start to really
start looking at some of the reports that were going on,
there's always the one that always sneaks in, which always
makes me suspicious, is there's always some anti meat. Anti
beef. Let's don't eat cattle kind of a slam in there which
indicates to me that there's like a bunch of vegetarians
are we talking about this is this the the meat from a test
tube?
Well, the meat from a test who came out this week to which is
Peters idea to make meat in a test tube, which is sickening if
you think about it,
that, hey, I'm making fish in my pond, why would we, but I'm
watching I started off the beginning of the week with
watching Bill Maher. And they're going on and then all of that
out of the blue. There's talking about some green thing and all
the blue out of the blue Bill Maher goes when there's one
other thing we need to talk about, which is meat. People eat
too much meat and meat uses so much grain and all the grain and
he just straight doesn't talk about grass fed which is really
the trend in beef, you know today is people want don't want
grain fed beef, they want grass fed when most of these, that
means a cow can graze on a you know, otherwise useless field.
And you know, actually, it's part of a cycle. It's very
important for them to exist there. The Buffalo used to do
that, like the Netherlands has wrapped up grass. And you know,
so where's the green thing coming in, but it's part of the
propaganda. And so Mark goes off the deep end, like some
vegetarian nut ball, about all how they how this is the worst
thing in the world. So meanwhile, a couple of days
later, I'm watching a green report on on one of our local
stations, channel 11 in San Francisco Bay Area, and they
have this green report and they have special logos and some
screwball correspondents that look like a bunch of
green report. Green report.
Sorry, you know, so they bring on these kind of, you know,
looks like vegetarian vegans. And so woman comes on and she
goes, and then the real problem is meat. And she brings up the
meat thing again, she does that and then you hurt them no wasn't
affected, they eat a bunch of grain. But that there, this this
is the this one here, which is always like an eye roller. This
because they fart, and they give off all this methane and this
the methane from the cows that are causing it is causing global
warming. And it's like yeah, I've heard that. I've heard this
but every time I hear this, what are you criminally insane even
bringing this
up? Throw that person in jail? Not Wesley Snipes, are you nuts?
So anyway, and but this is all part of this Green Week. And
it's just like, this seems to be some vegetarian undercurrent,
you know, with the whole thing and it's just makes you sick to
watch it because it's like, obvious propaganda. And the news
reporters say nothing about especially this idiotic methane
thing from the cows. They say no, by the way, if they stopped
feeding him grain, they probably have less farting, just grass
fed, but that's beside the point. But anyway, there's
nobody brings anything in nobody questions, any of this. They
just parrot whatever shows up from whoever's behind the whole
thing. We went, I'm suspicious of that. And I find the whole
thing just incredibly annoying. It is and I make myself clear.
I'm Yeah. Oh, I love it when you get pissed off. I believe it's,
I believe it's related to the food prices, which is another
big story of you know, everyone's talking about on
shouldn't be talking about that, rather than you know this. But I
think I think it's, I think it's related to that. And by the way,
can we just say that the oil 116 or $120 a barrel of oil? Can we
just say this is a scam? I mean, totally. Can we just let
everyone know that? The 11 billion, which, who's going to
report tomorrow? Maybe shell 11 billion in profit. You know,
come on, can't you see where the scam is? Throw those funders in
jail? Free Wesley Snipes,
there used to be a thing called the excess profit tax. Why isn't
that implemented anymore? I don't know about this tax. It
used to be very popular in the 20s and 30s. When some company
would all of a sudden you know cornered the market and start
making so much money that was ungodly, they just throw it they
just have to pass a bill in Congress is an excess profit you
give us the money
Well, John, do you really wonder why that isn't implemented now?
Let's talk to Cheney and see what Deke babe Bush why why is
the no access price tag where's
the excess profit tax that's what I want to know oil come
Exxon should have been paying it. These guys they make
everybody suffer when they're suffering but then when they're
doing well, they do they throw the money. They
stick it in our back. We're knifed. How do we stop that
excess profit tax we need a Congress has got a backbone.
Yeah. But you see that alarm is it's all been set up over the
years since the 80s. About this, you know that this kind of non
regulatory
but hold on. Just you know.
Do you regulate everything and you know, don't have any
control, you know, just basically become an anarchy and
then let people run rampant. That's the way it all work
itself out. In the end, it doesn't work itself on it, it
would work, you know, I don't see is an interesting, you know,
thing to think about Deborah with all these, you know, the
people who are free market, you know, deregulate everything,
this this group, this group of thinkers, they always have the
argument that the market the free market will work itself
out. Yeah, well, working itself out also entails the government
stepping in and taking a excess profit tax from these guys.
That's part of the system, it seems to me,
but that won't, but that won't actually help us because we're
still paying four bucks. For a gallon of gas, the tax won't
alleviate that.
I know. But at least it makes me feel better.
So we can we can buy more, more weapons and kill people in
deserts, makes me feel grand to Wales
better than me paying for it. But whatever the case is, the
point is, is that there's a lot of things that aren't being done
to slow this down. And I agree with you. I think that by the
way, that barrel of a barrel of oil is going to go to 200 bucks.
But
wait a minute, let us me, I told you that last week, no, I
told you no. I
told you I said it was gonna be a $2 euro and it was going to be
$200 A barrel of oil by the end of the year. And you said it's
going to that's not going to happen that fast. It'll I don't
think it's gonna happen that fast. Where I agree, though, on
the pricing? I think it
can I think it can head that way. And I think if it did, it
wouldn't surprise me. But the fact is, I think a lot of people
observed observed this, which is this people are, you know, the
futures guys are trading this stuff up, and they're taking all
their profits and trading it up higher their pyramid thing. I
mean, they're in, you know, they're all in as it were, to
take this thing up as high as it can. But the problem is when it
finally, you know, hits the brick wall, because, in fact,
demand is down for for these things. It's going to collapse.
like there's no tomorrow, it's going to be a very interesting
short side, if people can figure out what the timing is.
Yeah. So So you think it'll then just collapse onto itself and go
down to like something reasonable, like $23?
And I don't know if you go that far, but it definitely go below
50?
Because that's what it is, right? It's just it's just
futures trading and commodities markets and just people just,
you know, because the minute someone lights a fucking
firecracker in the Gulf somewhere, then the price goes
up five bucks.
Right? Well, right now that like somebody will say is that, you
know, essentially the smart money has been selling dollars
and buying oil. And then at some point, you reverse it and you
start buying dollars and selling oil, and then you know, you make
your money on both going both ways.
Well, let's try and predict that timing, John, because I wouldn't
mind making some sorrows money on that. And oh, by the way,
you're right. I read in The Economist. We talked about it
last week. Maybe the week before that Soros was everywhere on
television saying the bailout was the right thing to do of
Bear Stearns. He bought he bought Bear Stearns at $45 the
Wednesday before they did the back the backroom deal and when
the stock went to $2 and so he got SCO rude while he did not
completely screwed because he didn't lose everything but wow,
he must be pissed off
somebody suckered him
big time.
Yeah, I got a deal for you.
I got I got an absolute certain one for you. Dude. This is going
all the way Georgie.
Got another note for somebody else asked him about the chat
room.
I didn't say I was gonna set up a chat room and I'm not
streaming it live either. And nor do I want to.
I don't blame him one of these days. We
got to reverse it though. I want to be an early morning side of
the equation. I'm always the end of the day or when I'm messed up
from when when I've been flying for 12 hours.
Yeah, that's no problem. We did it once at night. We did your
night. Yeah, one time. Yeah. early on. And my morning. Yeah,
I don't remember that. Oh, Doc. So let's not do that if I don't
remember it.
I don't remember it either. But I remember doing it.
So here's here's the big comments. I got first of all,
lots of people still angry about the non explanation of soy milk
shrinking your brain. I'm just gonna take
a word my son is the is the guy who's nutty about this stuff. I
mean, he has all the documentation. I tell him to
somebody brought it up. I will I haven't do that because he's
like, he's the one who got the family off of soil together of
soil and the rest of him in the soil. The soil thing is not an
unknown issue and it has an oestrogen type effect on some
people and I've always said is what's causing the current UPS
uptick in man breasts, boobs, and also, you know, the other
oil that I don't like, which is canola, because then I always
had people thought we were really healthy you know, we use
only use canola oil I'm thinking do you have you ever seen a
canola plant? I was asked him. And well, what do you think it
looks like? Well, I don't know, I can't think of I don't know
what it's like a palm tree. It's a rapeseed. And so he said no as
rapeseed they had course for marketing purposes, you don't
want it ever. So rapeseed oil doesn't sound very good. But But
rapeseed oil is naturally it's got an oil, it's got a an acid
in it that's naturally bad for your heart. And they have with
canola, they've, they've managed to process the acids, so it's
reduced so much that it's not as bad for you. But canola stands
for Canadian oil with low acidity. And it's good. There's
no plant. It's just a marketing term. And the fact that the
health food nuts are all roses, you know that. Oh, yeah. And so
the health food nuts are all around us. They don't have a
clue. They think it's a plant. Yeah, canola plants. Grown in my
lawn.
With my fish, my forte, my forage fish, you know, just
doing some self examination there. John, I think I should
cut back on the, on the soy, I'm developing kind of an eight cup
here.
You know, olive oil is this oil of choice. I mean, there's there
are a couple other healthy oils that are out there that are
traditional. They're all like grapeseed oil is very good for
you. It doesn't have any harmful properties. Sunflower oil and
safflower oil are good for although the commercial ones
tend to be hexane extracted, which some people don't like the
idea of that experts. hexane is a solvent that's used to extract
oil from seeds and commercial environments. And most of the
oil that whether it's soybean or anything else is a hexane
extracted as a use you use the hexane pulls the oil out, and
then you flash off the hexane. And you end up with just an oil
with probably a miniscule amount of hexane dissolved in the
within the oil. But it's but it's so small. I'm not a I'm not
a big nut ball about that as much as some people are.
So how is the soy milk created? And why is that so bad? Soy
milk. Yeah. What's that mean?
For one thing, there's no such thing. So it's obviously a you
know, it's artificially made? I don't know. I don't know what
the process is. I'll look it up. But, you know, somehow they
emulsify it and they get a milky colour and they probably add
some sweeteners to it of some sorts, he sort of has some
flavour because it should be naturally tasteless. I mean, if
you ever have tofu, there's not a lot of flavour there. It's
just you know, something that you soak in things. That said,
you know, I've always been a fan of tofu skins. I think they're
pretty tasty. And I liked those little beans that they have in
the Japanese restaurant, which is soy beans. Yeah, like, at a
mommy.
Man. They're popular.
So I want to go ahead.
Okay, I was just gonna say the only other thing is we really
hit a nerve with with China.
Yeah. In fact, I just got a new post on my blog, which somebody
would you would buy time to hear this will probably be scrolled
off, but type in? What's that address? Again? John
doerr.org/blog. In the search box, type in China, space Congo.
And you'll you'll hit this particular post and it would
somebody sent it on Twitter, actually, the real Divorce Act,
by the way, if I'm sure you want to put me on there. It's an
article from BBC but it's mostly from BBC Two. It's not
necessarily pure BBC News. I got some reports, but they deal was
just signing with the Congo. And let me just read this, because
there's a kicker paragraph at the end, which is exactly what
we're talking about. Due to be signed in Beijing. And the next
few days, it gives the DR Congo 6 billion of desperately needed
infrastructure, which includes 2400 miles of road 2000 miles of
railway, 32 hospitals and 145 health care centres and to count
them to universities in exchange for the Chinese having access to
all the mines that produce copper and cobalt. And of
course, my comment is, how far along how any bets they get
started on the mining before the 32 hospitals. The kicker the
kicker is this one right here, which is what I was talking
about last week. And this is in the same article, a copy of the
original Dr. Congolese Chinese Memorandum of Understanding
obtained by Newsnight appears to exonerate the Chinese side from
all taxes and customs duties until the promised building work
is completed. This is where they bring in everything they can
they set up shop in the country, they never complete the work so
they essentially can bring anything they want duty free
into the Congo. And what they do, is they according to
everybody who's witnessed this, they they'll bring in like
computers by the tonne, open computer stores put everybody
else out of business. So, you know, some of it somewhat
dubious quality, computers, power supplies and everything
else. ASO and balsall bring in you know household goods and
food and they're essentially taking ruin the local economy
with all this duty free Chinese goods pouring into the country
never really finished these projects and then either you
know, colonise the place or just bail out after a few years old,
you know, at jobs, you get all the cobalt out of there and
leave the place decimated. And this is only in the Congo. Now
that's going on all over Africa. This is the latest deal.
Who Okay, so who runs the Congo?
He did some kind of a dictatorship. Well, yeah,
figures but he would they do these deals with divorced
governments are the ones that buy into this because you can
buy off, you know, they're bribe incented. And you just basically
take over the place for a while you can stay there or not. I
figure my scenario is that if they try to stay in colonise, at
some point, the locals go crazy, and just start killing them. And
then of course, the news media says, Oh, the poor Chinese are
getting butchered in the Congo. Let's go help with bringing the
UN. Yeah. And then they'll pitch to the UN. And then we'll help
them you know, I mean, the whole thing is a joke. But let it you
know, let it play out. I mean, put it away in the buying our
copper from the Chinese I guess.
Where are we going with this world, John?
To hell in a handbasket.
Speaking of which, I did this on a daily source code, but I
really wanted to bring it up with you researchers from the
Cancer Council of Victoria. Which I guess is that that New
Zealand or Australia?
Victoria? Yeah. I think it's New Zealand. It's a bad thing to
mess up. Anyway, for New Zealanders and sorry, guys, we
actually have a lot of New Zealanders that listen to this
show. Yeah.
So researchers from the Cancer Council of Victoria found that
men who masturbated more than five times each week, were 1/3
less likely to develop prostate cancer.
Yeah, that's been all over the talk shows all week.
But here's what I found interesting. Why do they say men
who masturbate? What if you just have sex five times a week? Why
does it have to be masturbation?
Well, one of the guys one of the reports say that the problem I
think, for one thing, they're trying to prevent people from
having sex. I mean, as usual,
I can't see very straight John Hold on a second.
So the they say well, because he was sex you can have you know,
STDs with masturbation, you can't and it's like, okay,
whatever,
but that's not what they're saying. They're saying men who
masturbate I mean, it's just it's weird.
Yeah, it's a screwy thing. So that came out of Victoria New
Zealand
and that's why I said this is a foxnews.com store not Victoria
Canada. Oh, maybe it is Canada like it's possible Hold on a
document doesn't say that. It just says Victoria and maybe it
is Canada that would that actually kind of makes more
sense to me. Well, it
makes more sense to me that'd be New Zealand actually no offence
to you New Zealanders you know that I know what I'm saying. I
want to talk about the sheep or
anything you had to take it there I didn't I just heard this
morning on the news coming in that a German high speed train
derailed in a tunnel because it hit a flock of sheep it's not
funny man that was the sheep
doing in the tunnel I
don't know the not good
I don't know what's gonna ask them anymore. Anybody get killed
I
don't have details on that I can take a look it will be hard to
those
tracks are pretty well protected the highest be I know in France.
You know people do want to take the high speed train all the
time. I you know, it's fine to take the high speed train in
France except for one thing you don't get to see anything.
Because most of the tracks are in a ditch you know to keep
25 people injured.
That's the highest anyway the high speed trains in France are
the best fastest ones but you can't see anything because
they're all in ditches basically.
Right You're really when you go through Trent it's more like
trenches
yeah trenches they're like a trench desert keeps you know
whatever for whatever reason they haven't been trenches
aerodynamics. Probably that and to keep you know people from
throwing rocks at him or whatever. And what they're
thinking like an American nevermind. That's
Have you ever been Have you been on these right because I took it
to
the ice I've been on everyone has pretty much all the high
speed
trains. This is the ICD the German
beautiful trains that they love. The ICs are really nice, and
they actually go on some of the main routes so you can actually
see something out the window. They're not in a ditch, but they
don't go quite as fast as the French train.
Three people suffered broken bones. 20 people receive slight
injuries, cuts and bruises. Now it looks pretty gnarly. Lee
literally had one right off the right off the rails. Doesn't
take much. I think that sheep wouldn't do that. But
he I think he just plough right through the ship. You just have
a bunch of, you know, chops left. I mean, I don't know.
That's, that really seems pretty vulnerable. I mean, so if you
throw a throw anything on those tracks that can derail pretty
quickly.
Well, a flock of sheep probably adds up. I'm sure a big cow with
a pride in it. How
many is a flock? I don't know. It's not a flock is a herd.
Okay. They're talking.
Okay. So, you know, in the olden days, when they used to have
steam trains used to have a cow catcher. On the front front,
yeah, would scoop you right off, and it would scoop the cow off
and throw them aside. Maybe they should think about a sheep
catcher. A cow Catcher in the front of these high speed trains
echoed the
nose looks destroyed, almost like a plane that went through a
hailstorm.
We'll have to check it out.
And what else do you have written down there? Yeah, I
know. You got some notes.
No, that's my only thing was the Chinese story about the Congo
egg because of this one paragraph that just cracked me
up when they talked about the duty free thing because it's
exactly the scenario that was described to me two years ago.
And I were just somebody there's a there's a good site. You
people should check out this guide. I think as Jim visited
him, Jim Kunstler, he's got a website. He's a writer that does
all these books. He also writes some Harry's Harem Scarem, kind
of like economic dire predictions. It's
kunstler.com KUNST le r.com. And you can read this you read him
or not, but the thing that's cool about the site is not I
disagree, since I'm a US person in the cycles. I disagree with
Hu NT SLERKUKU. Kunst KUNKUNSKU In St. Le AR, I think.
Freudian slip on my side. Sorry,
I noticed and is that he's got this eyesore of the month, which
is just hilarious. You have to good people out there should
just go flick through these eyesores of the month because of
some of them are just like, wow,
I'm looking up today's eyesore
go back a couple because there's one in Czechoslovakia, they're
gonna build that it's just like, you look at this thing, and you
go, Oh my God, what are they thinking?
What is this one? I gotta go through a couple of my guess. Is
this from from Rome? Or Greece? What is that?
Oh, that was just that's kind of a tongue in cheek when that one
that's not a good example that one of the Parthenon or whatever
it is. Okay, I see it. What the hell is that? You don't but the
one from Czechoslovakia.
I'm looking at the Peridot plasm that I'm looking at the Paragon
prairie tower.
Oh, no, you gotta go back a couple more. There's that that's
a minor one, too. But anyway, this is just a funny feature. I
thought it was a good idea. I should have you know, some might
look at it. Oh, man, I should have done that's a great idea.
Because I think you do an eyesore of the week. That is,
you know, it's like, it's like did another good site people
should always check in. And I'd never check in enough on this
site. I don't know why, but it's English. And english.com. And
the NGRISH. And it's always hilarious. I mean, it's like,
it's essentially some guy who mocks the misuse of the English
language in Asia. With all kinds of posts of stuff that just just
amazed flabbergasting friend
of mine has a retail not as a wholesale fashion accessory
business in LA. And so they get a lot of order. A lot of orders
from the Far East now, which is where all this luxury stuff is
going so to China, etc. And they had literally written something
and they asked when they could expect the delivery. And I
thought it was so cute, you know that? They don't have
spellcheckers. So you know how Asians will mispronounce ELLs
and ours, but they literally put it in an email. When is the when
can we expect it to Rubery? Yeah, like,
do they phonetically do it wrong? Yeah.
Don't they have spell checker? Use no hooks handle with cake?
Keep fire away. I'm looking at it now. English.
Yeah, English has always got a couple of good ones and usually
two or three. chuckles
I'm still into the kid from Brooklyn. Guy that guy so funny.
Well, it's pretty much this one gag is a one trick pony.
Yeah, but he does. He does one every day. It's worth it. Yeah.
That's amazing that some Yeah, I used to do those guys used to be
more common in the United States when we act You had a working
class.
Yeah, that doesn't exist anymore. The working class
According to the Financial Times,
I don't think it does either. And it's a shame because it's
like a got wiped out by a number of factors but the the white
collar class is one of them because I remember my dad's
working class when he was raising us and he always made
more money than the white collar guys and he always talk about it
working
like it's kind of like a user generated content def definition
you know, working class you know, I work so I might not part
of the working class
be a good point. But the working classes do I think we know what
we're talking about people actually work.
I always my, my understanding or not, fuck you. My understanding
was working class is like factory type. Factory truck
driver. That's kind of the visual I get is that incorrect?
Yeah,
factory truck driver machinists. You know, I think more
industrial, industrial industrial construction worker
kind of more or less, that kind of guys who actually work, as
opposed to guys just sit around shooting the crap like we do.
Work hard, John, don't say that. I've
worked in all those environments. I mean, I have
the, I know what it's like. Because when I was a kid, you
could actually get a job when you were in high school, you'd
get a work permit because you couldn't work if you're under 16
or something illegally, because it was child labour laws, but
you could get a special permit, which is guarded kind of defeats
the purpose of it, but you could get a work permit when you're a
kid. And then you when summer rolled around, you can go get a
job, you know, at 15 or even 14 If you really had a lot of
ambition I used to
I used to go out in the fields man, I grew up in farmland, we
used to go dig up potatoes and turnips, and I worked in a that
was actually a pretty fun job in a in a rose farm that grows
roses. And I learned a lot about about roses. And basically we'd
sort the roses, you know, by differently of you know, the
first sword, the second sword, third sword, and then you have
kind of the trash which is the fourth or the fifth sword. And
you you know, the end of your summer vacation, you'd have a
lot of money and you realise why because from the tip of your
finger, up to your up to your shoulder, you would be just
covered in cuts completely swollen infected.
Well, when I was I remember we had in the Fremont area of
Northern California that used to be in agricultural area, almost
without, I mean it was apricots and cherries and the cherry
fields outside of Niles which are not now non existent. were
produced some of the finest cherries I've ever had. And I
can still remember them to this day. When I was a little kid we
used to eat constantly. But anyway, when I used to have a
thing called you could work in the apricot orchard picking and
there was thing called cutting cuts. And I never did this but
you I knew what it was you'd have they have these big apricot
orchard. And then there was used to be one right near the the
biggest one was right off the word. Whereas now the Thornton
Avenue exit of a highway 17 or 880 whatever it is down there.
Anyway, just a huge and they would people would cut you'd cut
the apricot in half. And then you'd lay them out on these
giant trays. And then the trays would go into the drying room
and that's how they dried the apricots it was all natural. I
think there was some sulphur, some sulphur, they would burn a
wick in there or something to keep it from bugs from getting
in there. And that's all Tory was all torn out eventually for
condos. And then the whole area now is just all housing and who
even ended the other great agricultural area in Northern
California was the Santa Clara Valley, which is also they used
to have some of the greatest vineyards and cherries and all
kinds of agricultural products that were high grade. And that's
all been wiped out and for housing. And so now everything's
just essentially moved to the hot San Joaquin Sacramento
Valley, which is just you know, extremely, you can cook you can
grow anything there but it's like you don't have the same
kind of soils and the really high end quality there you get
more of just a lot a lot of stuff. I it's tasteless.
I'm just browsing through I read two things on the plane, The
Economist and financial times the weekend edition. It was
probably in the Times which he didn't bring with me. There was
a list of common fruits and vegetables but it really focused
on vegetables and how many different kinds we used to have.
Oh, like cucumbers there were 300 different varieties of
cucumbers now for
free No wonder we're all you know, sick.
Yeah, exactly. We're killing ourselves.
Well Well you know the problem is you have to blame the public
the public doesn't demand it so they don't get it the big
growers say well you know if you were just gonna buy this one
cucumber that's a high yield cucumber Are you making by the
tonne and picking by machine that's what we're gonna make
because we make more money that way and the public doesn't care
and the fact of the matter is the public doesn't care I was
sitting at a meeting I may have told this anecdote before by
Mattel it again anyway. Not everybody listens to the show
every week. I'm sitting I was given a speech to the produce
Distributors Association I'm really big operation and then
you know, all these did there was at a big trade show produce
distribution. It was amazing. And this is a paid
a paid gig. Right? They asked you to come and speak. Yeah.
What are they expecting? Like the technology? Yeah,
some technological technology angled up, everyone uses
computers, you need to know what's going on. You don't
give a shit. You just like, I want to meet these guys and make
some money have a good time being a noob.
So I could give a shit. I give a pretty good speech. And this
actually might speed current speech that I'm doing now is
really outstanding. But that'd be that is ma'am. And then I'm
having lunch because I was going to have lunch with the speakers.
So I've been sitting around a bunch of these hot shots are all
big time distributors all like running multimillion dollar
distribution companies. And we got into a discussion about
potatoes. And it came up in the conversation that you know,
there's tasteless potatoes that we eat, compared to some of
these, you know, really wild. But then I talked about my
experiences in Peru where I was confronted with the hands on
like, 5000 kinds of potatoes, because that's where the potato
came from. And they eat them all. But it's kind of
fascinating. The way they get to the end of the story that the
thing that came up in the conversation is that these guys
would love to sell and distribute more interesting
products. But the American public wants one thing and one
thing only cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap, and they said the only
country that's that comes close to being as bad as Americans
were just one day like you want to get a bunch of care in
Scotland. No, it turns out to be Germany, really. They said the
Germans are just as bad almost as bad with the cheap, cheap,
cheaply. We don't want the variety we want cheap. We want
them the cheapest carrots we can get we want the cheapest
potatoes we can get. We want the cheapest, you know lettuce we
can get
you know, I'm thinking John that the Amish and even these guys
these polygamist you know, had that compound going and, you
know, we're kind of in their own self contained separatist world
and they might have some they might have a good idea there.
Yeah, they probably do.
And I gotta tell you, by the way, those women those
polygamist women, which is just the way that being described
everywhere, polygamist women I think it's hot man the clothes
they have on I love that. I love that frontier of that kind of
like Laura Ingalls, you know, she was hot Little House on the
Prairie. Remember that number Laura.
What the look is, is I love it.
I love it. By the way. I'm also a sucker for, for the
headscarves. I love that. I find that to be incredibly sexy. I
mean, some women just aren't sexy. But But But wow,
you got a huge scandal here. What's going on with that? That
polygamy thing because they took all these kids away from their
moms for know, what was the point of that? We don't know
why we celebrate the pope coming into the country who runs a
company of psalmist No, and all he says we'll do better email
to Adam Murray at well.
I'm taking it to the extreme but
the book came out you know, the Pope was excoriating that whole
scene to an extreme and it's you know they don't the Italians
don't know what to do about the Americans Yeah, but but
they took 500 kids away from their parents. Yeah, no it's
ridiculous you know that borders probably on illegal
well there's gonna be a lot of lawsuits flying. I don't know. I
don't know what's going on. This is Texas. This is the same you
know area they burned down at this compound in Waco and killed
a bunch of people for you know, whatever reason they because
they felt like it that was during the Clinton
administration but Texas seems to be the you know that I know
what's wrong with Texas that they have. They have this
situation that just continues of nutty kind of cults, but at the
same time, there's a murderous approach toward them. That is
just doesn't seem like such a Christian.
Gun. totin Texas. That's John at DeVore ak.org.
I always get the Texans if there's no Texans listening to
this show.
Are you kidding me? Dude, that was a text as lots of text. I'd
like Texans I like Texas.
I love Texas. I go there wherever chance I can I think is
great. That food's good that people are nice, but there's
something wrong with it.
That's where I did my mass wedding. I married this 70
couples in Austin.
That's right. You talked about that before. Yeah, no, this is a
cute little town.
So but But getting back to the original point is damn and we
are just killing ourselves. We you know, and we're robbing
ourselves of all of this wonderful stuff that that comes
from other Earth and all the good stuff that is either not
being produced anymore or is illegal.
You know, that's one of the things I have to say. I've
actually now started collecting the Gordon Ramsay Kitchen
Nightmare show UK version.
Oh really? I still like the US version better but okay, it
doesn't matter.
I like Virgin which is wimpy compared to the UK version. I
like Gordon Ramsay. I mean he's if I were a woman, I'd be hot
for him. He's a very commandeering but yet sensitive
guy and he Yeah, I don't know. I like him. He's cool, man.
Well, he has what I look at when I watched that show Kitchen
Nightmares not as other shows. I don't care much for but the
Kitchen Nightmares show. If you're watching a guy who's in
the consulting business. Yeah, exactly. And it's like a you get
to see a consultant at work. And what he has to go through to get
anyone to change the basically the show doesn't change much
from from Episode Episode. He goes into a place that guy's all
screwed up. He won't you know, he's he's in denial.
Wait, no, no, no, this is the format. I'm a student, John.
First week he goes in, he sits down and he orders food off the
menu. Right and right then he either he always it's always
crap. I always sometimes he throws up. Have you ever seen
one of those episodes? Showing up a couple of times? Yeah, he
goes to throw up. And then it starts and then the owner of the
restaurant, whoever always has a chip on his shoulder. He's like,
Who the hell are you to come and tell me how to run my business.
The chef is usually just completely. What did they say?
They lost their love of food or they lost that or they're
totally incompetent. Or they really just suck. And he always
buys him a nice sign and does the redecoration and then
you're missing a couple of little items. Always. There's
always a little assistant to somebody else working in the
kitchen who is a gem?
Oh, yeah, right. Exactly. Who's gonna step up? Yeah,
yeah, in fact, is even one show where he actually does
restaurant fold. It was one of the best shows. Once in a while
he fails, which makes the show interesting. What I've noticed
is restaurants
back anymore. I don't see the episodes where he goes back
three months later, they stopped doing that. No, I've
been watching and he still does that. Maybe the US version. They
don't do it. Oh, I the US version. I don't watch. But
anyway, the he's failed a couple of times. But my favourite one
was was a restaurant in Paris that was a vegetarian restaurant
in Paris, which he thought was ludicrous. And he had to
remember,
it was a veg restaurant in Paris. I remember this one.
Yeah. And the girl had a rich father like a Texan type dude.
Right with a hat. Everything. Didn't really want to work.
Yeah. Yeah. And
she had like, she called her girlfriend. Yeah, come on, and
do some waiting and the girl was like, I don't want to go and it
was a mess.
And the reason the chef was a Brazilian crackpot crackpots and
he was a maniac. The whole thing was absolutely one of the better
episodes but and he was so disappointed but but anyway, I
recommend the show for people who want to watch it's basically
a business it's a business consultancy show that is very
educational in terms of like, you know, how do you even though
it's there's formulas there like the other formula by the way
that in the show is that you always insist that they make
simple food that is changed change the menu and the simple
food that's locally sourced that's basically the theory and
then he any breaks
the plates. You ever seen those? Or they're too big, they're too
small. There's too square and he and then everyone does a plate
smashing contest adds a good show, man. He's good.
So anyway, so he opened up a place when we were in New York
last and the Yeah, I
went I stayed in the hotel at the London the London Yeah. Did
you did you know is restaurant dude booked up until after the
New Year. Kidding. Not kidding. We couldn't there's there's in
that area of the hotel, you have kind of like a bar, which is you
know, it does have tables, you can sit down there. If you're
lucky. You can get a table. Then you have the the restaurant
right in front of that. And then behind there, there's the call
of the London proper, and that's the real restaurant, and it's
booked up until, I mean, I only inquired I didn't have time to
eat there anyway, I'm sure that there's a way to get in. But
that's what the what the maitre d said is booked up through the
through the New Year. Damn, it's not it's not small, you know, so
I can I can imagine.
Yeah, he knows how to make money. That guy. Hell yeah. I
mean, he's basically just started looking at his websites
and studies. He's actually kind of as a cool hotel to an
entrepreneur. Cool. That's the old that's I didn't realise
until I was looking it up that that's the old regal Royal.
Yes, correct. And they've done it up nice, John, really? It's a
good hotel.
Well, it was when it was a regal Royal. It was a good hotel, and
maybe I guess he got a little threadbare. But I was at the
Regal Royal. I used to stay there all the time. And one time
we're getting. There's a lot of New York moments that took place
in that joint one time I'm done that used to have a bar that was
quite popular, which is probably part of that restaurant now. But
anyway, the bar went Damn, I'm in the bar with some PC Magazine
folks. And this guy was drunk off his ass singing he had an
accompanying me he just decided he wandered up to the there's a
piano there nobody was playing it so he brought he started, be
drug one of his pals over there, start playing the piano and he
started singing and then the piano and then eventually
started singing acapella. And it is gorgeous voice but the guy
was just barely could stand up and then just grouped. I can see
where it came from. So I said who is this guy? So what's
Engelbert? Humperdinck? Oh, way. Yeah. And so I'm thinking, Oh,
this is interesting. So we stayed there till about three in
the morning. He just kept singing it was unbelievable. It
was like a free concert. fent the guy had a heck of a voice
had to say and he can acapella stuff. Stunning.
What are because he's one of the big guys like in the Tom Jones
League. Yeah, that style league voice
is big hits Engelbert Humperdinck.
That No, who cares, I care. But I mean, it's just like, you
know, it was one of those in New York, you have the what they
call, especially if you don't live there as well, even if you
live there, they called the New York moments or some screws.
Yeah, that's true. It happens all the time. One time I was
walking down. I think it was park in the NBA shirt comes Mike
Tyson. And John C. Dvorak flag. Yeah. Right. So anyway, so he
and he, this guy he had at Lee had flanking him walking down
the street, pretty much pushing anybody out of the way. They
happen to be on this pretty wide sidewalk as it is three guys on
each side of him that were twice the size he was. And all in
black leather, just and he had sunglasses on and they come they
just come zooming down the street. I don't know where they
were headed. I wasn't going to follow him. But it was like,
wow, that's what you call your entourage. You know, because
other guys just see roaming around Manhattan. They're just
by themselves. You don't think much of it.
This is what we this is not a New York moment. John. This is a
brush with greatness. Fresh with great. I had a brush with
greatness on the flight. I had Dolph Lundgren was sitting two
seasons for me remember him?
Yeah, he's he's still alive.
And he looks good. Good. Dudes. Gotta be 50 And he has 60 Now
he's not that old. But now he's dude is me. He's my he's my
height and he's big man. He's and he's. He's cut.
Did you talk to him? Did you say hi? Hey, dolls?
Yeah, I'm that asshole. Gee, I've met your ex wife Bridgette
Dreyer Engelbert Humperdinck. Please release me let go. And
that's his big cats. The big one. That's the big one. Be
careful
getting one more word into ASCAP.
Oh, I heard someone pontificating in LA. You know,
Jimmy, I have been Do you know who that is? No. Jimmy. I have
been I think he started as a I don't know if he's always been a
record producer. But as far as I know, he he did a lot of the big
music videos. And in the in the in the heyday of MTV, he was
director and he had Interscope Records I think I think that's
who I'm thinking of anyway, he runs Warner now with Warner
records with Doug Morris and listen to this listen to scheme
there's they're so desperate trying to figure out what to do
and how to make money that their new scheme
anyway, stop, stop. Do you eavesdropped this or did they
tell you
i was told i i don't feel comfortable telling you who told
me but it was so much
okay go in very very senior in Hollywood. All right,
like like top of the fucking I got it. I got it. I got their
scheme now. They want to make music videos that include
advertising. So so they weren't placement, Smirnoff you know
they want to do of course it's all hip hop. That's the only
videos that are kind of still being made as they want to do
you know just all advertising all liquor, you know, bling,
whatever it is, and that that's their new business. Or at least
one of the new ones and I heard and yeah, and I heard someone
tell me this with you know, of such stature was such
conviction. I'm like, Dude, you know, that's not a good plan.
That's really not something we ought to try. I just don't think
that's gonna work. That's crazy. Oh, there's the anyway, that's
how are they
gonna work that work the product placement into the lyrics? Oh,
why
not?
Yeah, you might as well go all the way I'm sure. Well, I'm
sure that's being done here. there anyway, that's probably
already happening.
Yeah. What was the feast? Like to see the fee schedule for
that'd be kind of interesting. Find someone who had it.
Well, that's that's the problem. I have One thinks it's so easy
advertising, just because Google can do it with billions and
billions of eyeballs and clicks with very low rent advertising.
You know, no one has really done advertising successfully online,
not big brand advertising yet. For that new company, I hear
about that MVNO thing.
And bvoc operation. They know what they're doing. Yeah. So
what? So what would happen? You think if, if online, never got
beyond what Google's doing? Wow, all these newspapers and all
these other people doing all this different kind of stuff all
moving to online? I mean, I know that they're actually making a
profit at PC magazine online. So I mean, it's, you can do it to a
point, but what if it just What if where we are right now, is
it? I don't think that okay, I'll answer that. I gotta answer
two ways. First of all, I don't believe that that scenario can
ever play out because it's just about the, the, we just have to
all agree on numbers. You know, what's the circulation of the
New York Times a million?
You know, I use I should know that number. I think it's more
than more than that. It gets like two and a half, right? I
don't know. Okay,
well, sure. Wall Street Journal now is saying it's like it's
going to be 100,000 to 2 million. Let's just say that,
you know, Geek beef geek brief TV does 2 million a month
easily, you know, and sometimes 10 times that. You know, so I
just don't see how the dollars always follow audience. Always,
always always. So I don't think your scenario is going to play
out however. Should that happen? I just gotta go shoot myself.
Well, no, we don't want that. Yeah.
I can't imagine that. That would that would be that just, I can't
even come up with a scenario. What do you think? What What is
your thought if this was it?
Again, I'm just looking at the editor and publisher here for
some circ numbers. What I you know, it's one of those things,
you know, people don't realise it so experimental, you know,
just like the Twitter thing, which I don't want to talk
about. But the fact is, is there's these things these these
initiatives and these crazy ideas keep cropping up left and
right and left and right that are always end up looking for I
mean, they get the eyeballs can be had, but then monetizing them
is not necessarily
you still have to do a sales job. You're gonna have great
fish and the fish market you still got to sell it you still
you know, you still gotta move product. You know, you still
need Gordon Ramsay to straighten you out in your restaurant. You
know, MTV 20 years ago, care in
Kansas 1.2 1.037 is 1 million civilians actor so the Street
Journal's to and the USA Today. 2.2. So listen
to us. So when when MTV started in 1981, I didn't get there
until mid 80s. The cable was advertisers did not know what to
do with it. It wasn't television. I mean, that's not
TV. And it's hard for people to realise that that was the
thinking at the time. But I remember doing the pitches to
Budweiser. We'd record pitches for them. Because we desperately
wanted Budweiser to advertise on the channel. And that's how
Spring Break MTV spring break in the beach house. Came to be not
because MTV said hey, you know what's a great idea? Let's let's
go do spring break. And we'll make that into a tentpole
promotion every year. Now it's because they were trying to get
Budweiser. And if you look at some of that footage, why they
may have changed maybe a different beer brand now, but
all every single shot is filled with either a vodka brand or
some other type of alcoholic beverage. But the ratings for
MTV at the time, even when I was there was 0.4 On average, which
means that about three 400,000 People are watching MTV at any
given moment. And today, that rating is still between 0.4 and
0.6. It's not a lot of people in aggregate and cume. Yeah. And
the brand of course, is is phenomenal, but it's just not a
lot of people that are watching. And people have this idea. You
know, consumers have this idea that, you know, everyone watches
MTV, it's huge. But now the ratings just aren't there. In
fact, that's why MTV, MTV is not stupid. They were brilliant,
although they alienated their their core audience. But this
always happens in you know, it'll happen in our in our form
of media as well. It's already happening. MTV said, Well, wait
a minute, you know, these videos, they're being
commoditized ve T which Viacom later bought for probably this
very reason they were getting the Michael Jackson world
planetary premieres. So, you know, they weren't getting the
product. They they, you know, they weren't necessarily the
only place where you could watch music videos on television. And
they thought to themselves, you know, what we really need to do
is if only we could make like a game show, but what We really
don't have the money for a game show. So let's do this. Let's
throw some Barco loungers in the corner, let's get a cute girl to
do dumb prizes, and we'll get a dorky host and we'll call it
remote control and boom, the rating went up to 1.0. And they
never looked back. That's why you that's why MTV is what it is
today. 30 minute, you know, reality based shows with no
audience, right? So yeah, so the
show a lot of these, you know, I watched the soup, which is
another great show a fantastic show. And they go over all these
reality shows, you don't have to watch him because I have to do
is watch Joel McHale. He'll bring you up to speed on all
these things. But there's so many of these reality shows us
like us just like jaw dropping. I mean, you never heard of half
of them. And no, I think we should
stop calling them reality shows and just call them what they are
television. That's what television is gonna be from now
on. That is the genre is the genre. Now
that's pretty depressing. Well,
look, dude, I watched a C span. And luckily, we have some of
that. But why is it depressing, I get my media fill online, I
like
to watch a good drama or a good comedy that's well written. Once
in a while,
well, it's kind of getting too expensive.
So you'll have reminding me of this transition that took place
in radio, because if you remember, you don't remember I
don't remember, we weren't really listening to radio in the
30 cents we weren't born. But the radio we used, but I've
collected it. And radio used to be a big spy where people it was
good dramas, and well written scripts and a lot of acting. And
then when television came along, you know, it just basically died
and became you know, spinning music because somebody said,
Well, you know, you can make as much money spinning these
records, as you can, you know, going through all this expensive
producing real, you know, real dramas in any way everything's
going to TV. So everything transitioned. And then that even
deteriorated to now which is essentially chatterboxes on the
radio and especially on am that can talk for three hours a day.
That's what
I like about the BBC, they still have radio dramas here. They
have the arches, which has been running for, I don't know, 50
years or whatever, ongoing radio drama very, and people still
people out here, listen to the wireless, you know, they
literally just listened to they call it the wireless. And it's
really good. But, you know, there's BBC so it's being paid
from public funds. Everyone gets a bill each yard kind of gets a
bill but yeah, you have to pay for it individually outside of
your taxes. And and, and you're getting good good stuff
delivered for it. It doesn't it's not commercially viable.
Yeah, I guess there's an advantage of sometimes have the
government involvement media a little bit. But the point, yeah,
the point is, is that if television deteriorates, and
nothing more than these unscripted shows, you know, us
just gonna see I mean, did you watch that crap, John?
First of all, lots of the same people who don't give a rat's
ass if they only have two cucumbers, varieties versus 300,
they're the ones who are watching that and they're
watching it in droves, just like you look up the search numbers,
I know, rating numbers, and people are watching this, it's
relatively inexpensive to produce. And, you know, it's a
simple equation, the audience is leaving television is no longer
the cultural epicentre of, of what's going on in the world.
It's the it's the latest show that you that you've seen, or
you know, it's the kid from Brooklyn and that's the that's
the cultural conversation is taking place through im and
email and social networks. And the odd is just people are
spending more time doing something else. So the audience
is going away and that's a direct equation to how much
money these guys can ask for a 32nd spot so I just don't see
how the economics of it will work. You know, it's a if a show
cost 50 grand per episode to produce versus you know, for for
reality based show versus last which is to two to $3 million in
episode and you and you get the same type of ratings you know
last is not getting Dancing with the Stars numbers I'll have you
know, it does good right not that good. Glad gladiators kick
loss ass gladiators dude. So that's the economics of it. So
that's what I love about online because you can still kind of
create something worth watching the message can still be true
even though you may not have all of the high value productions of
the studio but even that I don't think is that necessary anymore.
So that's where we got to get it thinks. You don't think I
don't like the sounds of this?
Well, I don't know much John and in this conversation, I love
looking at the waveforms of the recording. software because you
basically see, your track is all waveform and you only see me
bumping once in a while. But this I actually know something
about.
Yeah, I know you do, but I don't. I'm not an ignorant
person regarding this particular category of discussion myself,
but I'm not like you, you seem to be like happy about it. I
find the whole thing depressing.
What difference does it make, it's just a different box where
you watch it. Now I'm
talking about the overall effect on the culture. I mean, having a
bunch of people watching gladiator which should actually
be banned from the air as far as I'm concerned. And with the
effect on the culture, it's like the Jerry Springer show, I mean,
now affected now we're more Povich which is, which became a
clone of the Jerry Springer show, I didn't realise it until
recently when I watched it. And these shows, besides being
somewhat fake, are essentially just the public's not dumb, dumb
enough. I mean, just like we dumbed down the public anyway,
with the two cucumbers. And you know, they don't want to they
don't have any sense about anything. They're already
stupefied. And then we just make it worse with this stuff and
then we just take advantage of them by advertising to these
Boneheads. And then the situation gets worse and worse
and worse. And then when all hell breaks loose for one reason
or another and the public doesn't realise that we that the
government's made a big mistake because they don't they're too
busy watching gladiators to worry about anything or Britney
what she's up to, and then we bitch and moan about the public
being a bunch of Boneheads. Hey, whose fault is it? Okay, it's
your fault Adam curry.
Okay, well, it's not because I don't live there. I don't
contribute. No, no, no, no, no, listen, banana, but here's what
I will say. I absolutely agree on the cultural side. Again,
I'll say the actual cultural conversation is no longer really
taking place on television but with the system set up in the
United Kingdom This is why it doesn't bother me that much.
Because yes, there's plenty of reality based crap programming
I've sky plus and a record I don't have to watch it when I
when I want is on it records it automatically. And there's 900
channels, but there is some fantastic programming on BBC
absolutely culturally valid really well thought out awesome
stuff being made. And that's purely because of the system so
it's a non commercial system or kind of not there's a lot of
commercialism going on in it but if we if you really are sad then
why don't we set it up that way? Why don't we change PBS to
become you know, link that into the ownership of the television
you know, just like you're trying to do the music tax if
you have a computer than you'll pay tax if you if you want some
good television you got a TV you pay 150 bucks a year and then
and we'll make good programming for you
well you know, they actually the BBS does still we still have no
va in front line and American Express these are really well
done shows I have to say and they're obviously not cheap, but
they're you
know, this is bullshit. They're all sponsored by big
conglomerates there's it's a very commercial industry that's
it's cutthroat man. These are independent independent
producers. Who are you know, who are selling their stuff to PBS?
It's not it doesn't even come close.
Okay, you mean because it's all sponsored by Archer, Midlands
McDaniels whatever the name of those guys are. They're the
Monsanto or these other people. This will you ever do a report
on them? Yeah. Or Gee, yeah, nice. Yeah, it bothers me a
little bit. Yeah. No, I'm totally upset by the fact that
GE so
here it is. You've seen Top Gear right? We've discussed this
you've seen Top Gear? Yeah. Top Gear could not exist in any type
of sponsorship or advertising model because you know,
somewhere along the line Toyota is going to want to advertise on
the station and the it just won't happen because those those
guys over a Top Gear crashed one intuitive you know, a jet engine
these guys do all kinds of weird shit or they chopped it in half
and tried to make it into a desert you know crossing limo.
So it would never ever happened. So it's that's destroying the
culture is not having that type of media outlet that is
subsidised literally by the users.
Yeah, so I'm not you got me on that one. I'm not gonna I can't
argue against this point. So I'm not going to try. But I will say
that it probably would be the model that we should use here at
no agenda.
While he's not exactly what we're doing
well, no, I'm talking about what we're doing it on our own guy.
Oh, you
mean people should pay us $150 a year? Yeah, I think that's fine
plan.
But they won't. There's too much free material out there. That's
the problem. This is an interesting dilemma. Because who
is going to pay the 150 like for the TV or the news or one show?
Here's what kills me John. Here's what kills me. You How
long is your speech this new killer speech you Have the new
presentation. How long is that?
It's 40. It's 45 to 55 minutes, depending on how much time they
give me. Do
you do q&a after that? Or and you'd never do q&a?
Depends. I do q&a Sometimes. You know, it's depends on what they
want. And you have to customise it right, generally. So
there are organisations, there are companies, I'm sure that
there's upstanding and some even maybe nonprofits who, of course,
will pay you you don't have to be nonprofit for that. But
really upstanding, interesting companies who are paying you I'm
sure anywhere between five and $50,000 to go to present. And
here you are getting the same John C. Dvorak for free. With
the same killer material
was not the same material actually. It's just two to two
guys. Work and Work with me here to work with. Okay, I'm sorry.
Yeah, absolutely. It's free. Go on.
So I guess my point is, this is not out there. This is a very
valuable property. This you don't think that you can get
this? Hey, our numbers show it man. If you you do actually have
the stats, I sent you a screenshot. You see how this
shit is building?
Yeah, we're getting about we have like something like 10,000
core listeners and has gone up I guess to 12 is gonna go to 1520.
No, we're not the three episodes ago, hit 25,000.
For one episode, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's not bad. That's good.
That's it, there's money there, we should be able to monetize
that.
Well, so here's how it works. 25,000 is 25 CPM units. Right?
Audio, we could probably sell that for $20. So what's 20 times
25?
That's 500 bucks.
So there you go, my friend. 500 bucks per episode. That's only
if we sell one ad, of course, if we sell if we do two ad units,
that it's 1000 bucks. See how all right. We don't want
to put a bunch of ads in the shoulder if this shows in our
app, which it tends to be, which it is by putting we could put in
three ads? No, it would ruin the show?
Of course it would. Of course it would. But I'm just saying so
this is this is the big actually, you know, that's how
all these other audio shows it they're kicking ass making so
much money because their audiences are so loyal, that
they're able to sell them stuff. You know, everyone's gonna buy a
domain name eventually. So of course, I'm gonna use Cali Lewis
his code, you know, and and that's how a lot of money is
made with without this whole stupid CPM model. You know,
it's, it's very interesting to me this is I really love it. You
know, that's what the E Music thing is we did with Nokia,
where
we are right now I understand that. But you know, the thing
that I still see missing from the equation is shows that are
not sponsored, not, you know, trying to get people to buy
stuff. But in the old fashion, although this is a little bit of
a PBS model underwritten. So in other words, we get General
Electric that just give us $15,000 To do the show, and we
just did General Electric pay for the show. Yeah, but, you
know, the PBS people say, Well, you know, then we won't say
anything bad about General Electric. Well, I don't know
what to say about General Electric anyway.
But it'll be General Electric. It could be NBC it could be
could be
a foundation or it could be the Katherine and John div. Arthur
Vining you know, I mean, it could be anything that I'd take.
I take that. Ma'am, and no, no, that would be okay. We need a
grantsmanship person though. There's an expertise getting
that kind of money that neither one of us have, and probably
will never obtain. I know it's you could probably do a mediocre
job but there's probably somebody out there listen to the
show and as I could get that money in a minute, boneheads and
you know, so we're waiting to hear from them.
Yeah, Damn straight. adam@gmail.com Hello. I finally
fix my curry.com email after like being on the fritz for a
year and a half.
Did you get swamped in mail?
That's a long story is not that interesting? So in
other words, if somebody said Adam to curry to adam@curry.com,
they would just die.
No, you'd get an email sent back that most people mistake for
your mailbox being full but actually if you read the and I
find that people never ever read bounced messages and boy you can
learn quite a bit from them. If you took three seconds you lazy
pricks. Same with RMS error dialogues just read it for a
second before you start saying you don't get it. You'll see
that it says has exceeded bandwidth. That's that's why it
was being being stopped and there's a whole explanation for
it but basically the curry.com domain name and this is
interesting when you have when you're not just looking at your
your personal email account when you when you see the amount of
email that that will be coming in to curry.com and then just
try anything right if you send it to them Uh, you know, web
dude@curry.com The way it was set up, it would actually go in
it would go to an administrator account. So the spam, it was
terabytes, just fucking terabytes. And yeah, the issue
was that that was being it wasn't being redirected, it was
being forwarded from the service that I use for my email. So like
a terabyte a day of data was being forwarded to my Gmail
account. And that of course, is you know, and then they have
some limits set up, you know, you just can't be forwarding a
terabyte of data every day of crap. Not for your 50 bucks a
month. Mr. Curry, we're just not going to allow that.
But it's a terabyte of crap.
It's actually I'm a bad medicine for not having solved that much
earlier. Because yeah, I was just sending crap. Filling up
them pipes, which is and let's just finish the show with that.
You know, I love these stories. And the I don't know where these
are coming from. But the internet is full video is going
to break the internet. I love the stories.
You follow? Yeah. Yeah, no, I actually criticised the storage
because there was one of them that said, well, the internet is
going to be AT and T. They had this thing and they said the
internet's gonna be full by 2010. And they expect it to
increase by another 50% by 2015. With a waiver, how can I
increase it off? It's going to be full by 2010. There's this
really weird discrepancy in those in the way the story was
presented? It was like, this makes no sense. I think
I know what's behind it. Now you said it's a TNT I betcha that
they they want to make y max or hdspe, or whatever it's called.
They want people to see that as the, the, the high level service
internet wireless, so people kind of wean them off of the
idea that we do people really consumers, they all understand
the difference between Wi Fi and wi max. And hey, this one works
pretty good. You know, it always seen and by the way, I hear that
the internet is going to be fooled and 2020 sounds like one
of those jobs to me. Yeah, you might be right. It's gonna be
full, full, full fall or fall a cloud. Yes, well, on that note,
we're full. Go home. What do you got going on this week? John.
I've got to go on Monday, I'm going to run down to Xerox PARC
for a special event I get to meet a couple of really hotshot
guys have been itching to meet over the years. And I'll report
back on that later.
And can you give me any thought any clues on who these hotshot
guys are? Is is a seminar or conference or
it's something there's like an open house or doing for certain
journalists under not and I'm not absolutely sure to be honest
about it, but it's being done by the Xerox printer people. And so
it just be it'll be interesting. I'll take pictures. You mean the
document company? Yeah, the document company them. All
right. Well, I'm gonna
be hanging around here. I'm actually I got to do my wife's
first live. I hate dude. She's no, she's ruled Friday evening
with that show. Orleans got a challenge number one, number one
show of the entire day, every single Friday. So she's doing
her first live show on Friday. So I'm gonna go go over there
and see how they do that. Be very interesting. Yeah, yeah,
totally. And to start renegotiating season two
sounds like you have the upper hand.
Yeah. Well, we got it now. That's for sure. All right. Oh,
thank you, hon. Um, I just finished snack time. Look at how
great is my life, man? Because my wife brings me let's see. Let
me just oh, this will be a quick culinary moment. So this is what
is this hon in the glass? I can't hear you. Red wine, red,
just pure red whiners. As you can tell. Well, you gotta ask.
Is there hold on a second? I can't hear you when you're
standing over there. Hold on. Hold on. Wine. A little bit of
wine. We didn't lose it. This is the microphone. Okay. Put a
little bit of juice in St. John. This is what she does. She does
red wine. And then she puts a grape juice in it. Yeah. Why?
Why? Because I don't want you to fade away. And then let me just,
you just came back. Alright. And let me just say we have here
meatballs. Myself made some balls, meatballs. We have some
pickles. And we have some salmon with cream cheese on little
cracker Melba Toast? Yes. And some crewcuts All right, what do
you have, John?
I have a cup of coffee.
I'm gonna go have that wine with grape juice. From the curry
manor in the United Kingdom. I'm Adam curry.
And in Northern California, Silicon Valley. I'm John C.
Dvorak.
We'll talk to you again next week right here on no agenda.