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Balancing the ever tipping
scales of Gitmo nation from

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opposite corners of the
Constitution free zone. This is

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no agenda coming to you from
Gitmo nation East in the

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affluent suburb of Surrey known
as Guilford. I'm Adam curry.

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And I'm John C. Dvorak. Gitmo
nation. North aren't actually

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West. I don't know. I'm in
Silicon Valley

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West, of course. Let's get one.
Come on, you should know that.

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Buying, you know, it changes, it
moves around.

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It's a moving target.

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It's not going to be Gitmo
nation anymore after the

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election.

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Oh, no. What will we have to
talk about then?

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I don't know. Probably something
worse.

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No, no, no. It's gone further
into good my nation. Hey, it's

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good to be back in the UK back
into the new cycle. Boy, is it

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different?

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Yeah, you you were you were here
for a while. And then you came

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back? I mean, you like took a
couple of trips. And, and the

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thing was, at the end, we went
down to do we discuss the ante.

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We talked about chapeau, which
will be our last restaurant

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review. For those out there who
hate the fact that we even

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discussed food,

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I'm getting so many positive
responses to our food

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discussions. And indeed, We have
not discussed Chapo which I

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would have to say, was one of
our better meals.

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Yes, I would say I agree. And it
was reasonably priced. And I got

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to have a wine that I haven't
had for 20 years. So I thought

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before, before we get to that,
let's just start at the

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beginning. Where we want at the
end, the beginning of the end,

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we walk into the joint, and it
felt like we had walked in the

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back door. Because you're
literally the minute you walk

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in, you're standing in between
two tables. And all the action

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is at the other side of the
room. So I'm like, wow, this is

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kind of weird.

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I'm still wondering whether we
did walk back. Yeah, absolutely.

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That's probably what happened.
And we got we got a great seat a

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little booth right by the
window, which was nice.

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There was no it's a weird place.
There was no you know, normally

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in almost every restaurant you
go to even if it's a little

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place in in the middle of
nowhere, France. There's a

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little stand someplace where you
know, we're you know, to go by

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someone's name. Yeah, cuz it's
like a little it's like a

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podium. And trade. Every
restaurant has one that I think

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about why Yeah, with. Somebody
could keep in the back of their

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pocket, you know, the list. But
no, yeah, there's usually a

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podium and you go to the podium,
and yes, yes. What can I do for

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you? Well, I have reservation
for two and six dirty name.

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Dvorak? Oh, yeah.

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Question about that, because
I've seen you do this a couple

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of times now. Because you always
take care of the reservations.

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And you're walking, you say,
Yeah, dinner for two or table

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for two. You never say,
reservation on a Dvorak, you

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always say written, you know,
dinner for two first. Hey, I do

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and in particular reason.

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Yeah, I want to see if you can
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Okay, right back.

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I mean, of course, I do it
through an open table. So I need

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to get those points for the
unknown reason.

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I'm getting email now from Open
Table about points. But I'm

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foolish, because for whatever
reason, I'm hanging out with you

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too much. You're getting all the
points. I should look that up.

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That was a fascinating email.

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Anyway, so yeah, just like
people who said, no, no, don't

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worry, I'll make the I'll make
the reservation. So anyway, no,

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I usually do that. I always say
to I go into I do this. And I by

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the way, I've always done this,
I go in to see if I just get a

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table. So three, and then the
and then if there's no tables,

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they always said you have a
reservation. Now in the case of

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a situation, we want to get my
points. I go in, I go in and ask

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if there's a it's kind of nice
to know if you can just wander

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into a place. So it's one way of
finding out anyway, so I go in

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there and I say three or two or
four, whatever. I have the hope

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and they say oh yeah, yeah, we
can put you over here. And I say

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I have a reservation Oh, yeah.
And I search for and I get my

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name and then they go back into
check it off the box. And you

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had to he had me as opposed to
just taking the table because if

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I don't tell him I have a
reservation the be this

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reservation is still sitting
there. And with the name Devorah

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icon and I look like a stiff.

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So the email I got was open
table turns 10 Plus Thanksgiving

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specials and 1k points. More
points. So it's out. By the way,

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please. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

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Somebody sent me a note saying
you get 50 bucks off on a kind

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of you get a coupon at all these
restaurants.

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We got to redeem that man
because this is what

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happens. Yeah, I haven't gotten
to the you need 5000 points for

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50 bucks. I'm not there yet.

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1000 points. We need to go from
one 1k Point restaurants. That's

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what we need. I've

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only done that once. I've
actually tried to slip a couple

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1k restaurants in on our little
soirees.

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I don't recognise any on the
list. So what was interesting to

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me was that I think it was like
a family run restaurant seemed

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like a family of what would you
say Koreans maybe

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look like it but if you look at
Alicia to French

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Francois

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Whoo. I'm saying, Yeah.
Everybody was there was Asian we

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never saw anyone that was an
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place was packed. And the
service was very interesting

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because although efficient, and
prompt and attend, they did mess

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up a couple things, which was
just unnecessary and dumb.

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I had a list of four things they
screwed up. Alright, let me

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see if we if we can knock them
off. First of all, there was the

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there was just getting the
getting situated. Getting

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someone over in the beginning
took a little long, there was

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some confusion some someone came
up to take our drink order after

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it already been taken. Then we
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which we expressly ordered.

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Right? They had it this is one
of the few restaurants there's a

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thing for people out there who
really care. There's in higher

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end rest is not a high end
places kind of medium. But in

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high end restaurants, they
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things free in their colon entre
MA and they're a little piece of

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this that usually low sherbert
now we're not sure but nothing

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was milk in it. But like, like a
fruit sorbet or something that

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just kind of get a lot of acid

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bloom and onto a mime and dairy.
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It's got a lot of acid in it
supposed to Cleanse the palate

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for the next course. And it's
gonna this one's

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nine bottles. This thing's
palate cleanser.

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One of the I think it would be
funnier to have a restaurant a

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palate cleanser, you know,
they'd have a Pray that they

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come up with a toothbrush.

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This restaurant did did have
some gimmicks. But anyway, then

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they if you would ask for the
lamb, I'm going to say rare. And

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I had asked for the beef medium.
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and you did get the lamb, they
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hour the beef rare and the lamb
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Yes. Which was annoying, to say
the least on why bitched on what

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Yeah. And it wasn't bad but the
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she did lamb should have been
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good because it was ready. I
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medium. Well,

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I don't like prayer.

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Q ate the thing up like you were
just, I'm surprised you didn't

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use me. You know, excuse

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me. I didn't finish it. And I
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can't finish it. Okay, because
it was just like grossed me out.

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I didn't want to say hey, I'm
really grossed out by this piece

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of rotting flesh bloody flesh on
my plate. Would you like to

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harsh that down? And you always
would do or you always do. Hey,

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could you put this in? In a box
for my dog? I really do have a

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dog and then I'll put the bread
in there. And you like taking

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everything off the table. Hey,
this scrap here. Wait a minute.

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Wait. There's a crumbling give
that put in there. And I'm like,

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Yeah, put the salt and pepper
shakers in there. Go ahead, man

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put on the box.

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They don't by the way. They
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Europe. No, do not try this in
Europe. Do not try this in

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Europe. But I do have a dog. And
we feed we feed our dogs, all of

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them scraps as much as we can or
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I'm not lying. I'm not taking
that food home to eat it was

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overcooked. And but here's the
thing you didn't know I didn't

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tell you this. They didn't put
anything in there except the one

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piece of meat.

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They didn't put the bread in you
asked you expressly as for the

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bread. Exactly. What a cheap
bastards. Right? They just it

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was I think that just fell off
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When I mean it's just like they
were they're careless. It was a

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garrulous, the service was
extremely careless.

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But the food made up for it and
what really the appetiser when

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you talk about that about that
for a second appetiser we had.

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Do we have two separate
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what did I have John? We had
something in the middle to

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I don't remember. Okay, the most
random sort of salad or

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something?

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Here, but it was good. It was
good. Crowd the

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appetisers. Were good. Yeah. But
not barely not memorable.

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So the wine though this was this
was a funny moment where you had

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found what you would call a gem
and I'll let you expand on what

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it was in a second. And so the
waiter comes over and say hey,

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this is really amazing that this
wine is on The menu you can't

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get this anywhere the guy's
like, got it and then you went

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took it one step further. So

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the guy made it then.

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No, no, the snide comment came
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nice at first and then he went,
look, I can't get this anywhere

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in San Francisco. And then the
guy said, Well, maybe you need

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to find a better place. tripped
me out and, like snap. You had

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nothing to say.

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I didn't have a comeback. Zero.

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You couldn't really say you
Korean fuck. Who do you think

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you are?

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Well, I did some research. Yeah,
the wine is not available.

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But Where'd he get it from then?

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I was just some distributor came
through town. They sold them,

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you know, half the wine list and
but none of them none of the

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local stores habit. You know, I
looked it up on the internet as

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a matter of fact, as hard this
stuff's hard to find. It's been

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hard to find for years.

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Okay, so tell tell the audience
what it was. There was a

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chateau canon from Canon France.
Sacher wasn't from Santa Miyan.

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And it was a it was a 2005. And
it's I think that it's, it's one

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of these, I think, from the new
owners. I think it's been I

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think the ownerships been
changed, although I wouldn't

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know because you never see this
wine. You see a lot of other

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fronts, X and Canon Francaise,
which is a very specific area of

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Bordeaux, this used to be
extremely popular, apparently,

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at least if you read the
literature in the 1600s, or

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something like that, because
it's a little closer to Paris.

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But I've always liked these
wines from this area, because

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they have a distinctive flavour
that's kind of unique and tasty.

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And canon is essentially their
Chateau that they named the

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subdivision can in France sack
after because it was so good.

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And in fact, the way it was
tasty,

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was outstanding and a great
value. It was I believe, $60 for

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the bottle. Yeah, was

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60 bucks. You know, if that's if
you if we were in Paris, that

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wine would have been probably
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And by the way, when I say a
reasonable price, that's all

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relative, obviously,

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it for these restaurants, that's
a very good deal. Because for

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people out there who you know,
wondering why that's pretty

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high. I only pay eight. But the
fact is the restaurants we've

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been going to until we
downgraded downgraded Oh my

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goodness. Until we downgraded it
was like pulling teeth to find a

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way under $100.

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The total bill for this, I
believe, was $230. about as

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expensive as the other
restaurant with the previous one

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we went to,

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right which was which actually,
I think it was a little cheaper

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and the restaurant this
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I think it was a little better.
And then we did it wasn't like a

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tune up. You

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thought you thought Eisah was
better than Tshepo

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No, no, Tshepo was better. I
said it was better and cheaper

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is what I'm trying to get to.
And and for people out there you

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know 250 bucks, just one this
meal had it. We didn't there

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wasn't anything that we didn't
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any after dinner drinks.
Although I think we had a white

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wine or white wine to start
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We had a white wine to start
with a full bottle of wine and

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everything we had an after
dinner shot turn or something.

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Oh, and of course the PS the
rest is stones. Exactly. Which

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just blew us both away the
desserts. I think you get this

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sorbet.

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Away to the resistance for me
was the guy slipping us a saw

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turn that wasn't the one we
ordered. Oh, yeah. True. Another

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faux pas Yes. Places things.
These guys have a lot of a lot

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of emails.

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A lot of guys. Go back there and
say you know what? You know, we

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thought you were pretty good.
But you're off the list now.

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Sure, visitors screw ups.

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Very cute. At the end there
though. They give you a little

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hat. Of course. Chapeau being
French for hat. And your bill is

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in there. I want to take a
company

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hat it's an actual hat. That

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was a real hat. What was what
was just awesome. Was the the

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one desert

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you want to take a dump and is
that what you're saying?

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Yeah, when I saw that one. I was
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but it evened out because the
food was so good. And at the end

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let me get through it. I had a
banana strawberry kiwi, kind of

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mash up. But what they've done
is they kind of floated that in

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basil oil and it was an
outstanding combination.

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I'm glad you remembered that
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now that you mentioned it, I was
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one of the tastiest things,
combinations of flavours but

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anyway we had we're talking
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classic like you know
combinations of like a custard a

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banana strawberry something else
that but with this basil oil. It

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just took distinct to another
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absolutely It's phenomenal.

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And basil, you know, I associate
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certainly more hearty. Not
something sweet. And but but

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when you combine it with those
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it's absolutely heavenly. I
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mean, I was I was I was stunned.
So anyway, that's a review of

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chapeau in San Francisco if you
haven't be going by when you go

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in if anyone comes in San
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tell them DeVore Accenture. Now.

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I understand your service is
kind of crappy, although your

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food's good. Yeah. Hey, let

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me take a dump and that hat of
yours are you getting? I don't

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know either. I'm all alone. I
came home. Check this out, man.

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So it's been it's like being on
tour. For three weeks in San

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Francisco. Then we I rushed back
to the, you know, the surprise

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party in Amsterdam, then flew
out almost a day after we got

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back in for another full week in
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I come home and I've delayed
flights until I'm home late, and

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everyone's kind of getting ready
because Patricia, Christina and

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Dexter Christina's boyfriend,
they all went to Holland

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yesterday. So I've been home
alone for two days. Me and the

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admin. The stuff that piles up
in a few weeks time is just so

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and not just frightening but
annoying. It's like an

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albatross.

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Like, what what are you talking
about? It's just stacks and

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stacks of envelopes that have to
be opened and dealt with. And

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it's amazing because when I go
through it the actual signal to

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noise ratio is very low. I mean
get this you know, there's like

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basic utilities, a couple of
bills, but honestly 150

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envelopes and it's all kinds of
bullshit that really doesn't

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need any attention at all is you
know overkill and you have to

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wade through all of it. Ah, I
hate it

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you know what's interesting is I
thought this was supposed to be

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eliminated by electronic email
and things like that. Oh, it's

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junk mail but you're talking
about

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it well it's not even junk mail
it's just the vendors that I do

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business with one way or the
other beat the banks of the

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banks are the worst they send
you so much crap it's like no

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get get a clue already. I'm not
going to take the credit card

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I'm not going to take your
insurance in the in the UK is

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this the same in the states
where you pay for the water

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coming out of the tap and you
also have to pay for the amount

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of water that goes down the
drain?

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I don't know that we well we
there's a sewage tax but that's

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no this is not a tax they
actually measure or they sound

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they measure how much water you
flushed

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don't even you shouldn't even
mentioned it now that I think

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about it. Yeah. We'll just say
hey, there's a good idea

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paying for it both ways. And I
never heard of such a thing how

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do you measure it? Let me let me
go grab a bill let me see what

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they say hold on.

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Do they have a metre on your on
your outflow?

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I have a metre on my ass they
can see how much is coming out

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how much farting are you doing

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let me see they metre everything
for carbon credit here

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it is here it is check it out.
So services your water services

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bill for 15th April 2008 to two
October 2008 191 pounds 80

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consisting of water

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right Wait wait wait, wait,
wait, wait. Yes. What's the

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period of time for 191 pounds
which to us Americans is about

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$350

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April to October

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April May and June. So a six
month bill

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six month bill okay in that time
100 Oh interesting. This is an

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adjuster This isn't man I gotta
go check my metre. So here it

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is. They

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This is how do they know well
they basically say okay, you the

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estimate that you use, you know
they do that where you get an

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estimated charge and then you
know when you move then they

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throw a $20,000 bill and yeah.
So they say well, we estimate in

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that period you use 100 cubic
metres of water at 107 pence per

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cubic metre. Wow. So that's 118
pounds and then they say Well

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since you use the 100 cubic
metres your wastewater was also

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100 cubic metres 51 pounds pen
that's just

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basically doubling this is
chicken. Isn't that horrible? By

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the way, what if you just drank
all the water and peed

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elsewhere?

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I bet I can prove it. I can
prove I use that water and I

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passed it down someone else's
toilet Got to compensate him and

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Bill him more.

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Could be can happen.

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Get mo nation.

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Well, that's pretty ridiculous.
Yeah. How can the English public

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put up with this crap?

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Well, it's funny using you
mentioned that because they're

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the English public has snapped.
I came back and the whole

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country is in an uproar. I'd
already read about it. You know,

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the last day I was in Los
Angeles before I got on the

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plane. I was like, What the hell
was going on? An absolute

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uproar. I'm talking about 10
minutes, a 10 minute long

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discussion items. Reporters live
on the scene. At the top of the

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news, the 10 o'clock BBC News,
not ITV or channel four, but the

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BBC News. All the news outlets
were doing it. The BBC 24 News

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Channel. These two, two
presenters, one of them, you

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probably know both of them. One
is Russell Brand. He's he's the

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guy who hosted the MTV awards.
He's an English comedian. He's

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also in that movie. Forgetting
Sarah, I think it's called kind

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of rock and roll looking guy. It
looks a bit like Michael Butler.

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Okay. And Jonathan Ross, who is
of course, you know, the top

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talk show host has his Friday
night show makes 6 million

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pounds a year Jonathan Ross is
the highest I think the highest

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paid quote entertainer on the
BBC. And of course, the BBC is

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publicly funded, though people
are always bitching about it.

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And Russell Brand is also a
reasonably I think he's up there

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in salary. But anyway, they they
made they did a show together I

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think it was Russell Brand show
and Jonathan Ross came on and

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you know, the here two guys who
probably off the radio that

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really funny together because
it's probably really good

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friends. But then they got
together and it just became a

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trumping one doing crazier than
the other. And they called up an

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actor Andrew Sachs, who was
Manuel in Fawlty Towers. And you

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know, and so they're just
talking trash into his into his

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voicemail because the guy didn't
pick up. And then at one point,

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Jonathan Ross says, well, and He
literally says this, he says,

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oh, go ahead, Russell, just tell
them that you fucked his

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granddaughter, which apparently
is true. And then it just went

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downhill from there. Right. So
if anything, that should be an

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outrage, because it was not
funny, it was just dumb. But

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this has resulted in a huge, I
mean, just John astronomical

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front page of the Financial
Times, even the BBC, it's gone

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too far. And this has to stop
and Russell Brand resigned,

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Jonathan Ross, you know,
suspended for 12 weeks without

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pay. You know, the Director
General had to give public

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statements and everyone's and
now what's happening, they're

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saying, well, the BBC clearly
needs more and tighter editorial

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controls, it's really amazing to
see what's happening. So from

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two ends, one, the public that
they're so frustrated and angry

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that he was an opportunity, I
believe, you know, to yell at

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him, because basically, Jonathan
Ross and Russell Brand are

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public servants. If you look at
it, the way the payments are

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structured to the BBC, to just
get pissed off, like they were

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like, they were bank executives
getting bailed out, you know,

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it's just huge outrage.

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So basically, are you telling me
that there was a pent up

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hostility towards the BBC?

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I think towards authority in
general and perhaps in

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particular, people who are doing
quite well doing seemingly

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nothing but then was

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everybody in broadcasting

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exactly but so now what's
happened on the on the political

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side is it's it's really being I
can see it happening they're

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grasping this it's like we need
stricter editorial controls and

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you know what that does to the
DNA of a broadcast company makes

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everyone's afraid to say
anything bright and ruins

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everything Yeah. And so the the
BBC was just basically you know,

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if you believe in Nomi Wolf's
Shock Doctrine theory, then wow,

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they got it they got a club and
on this one

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well, you know, the BBC has been
pretty I mean, they've been it's

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been a weird operation for the
last number of years in terms of

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its politics have been extremely
politically slanted. No kidding.

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And I don't know that the public
you know, suddenly we have one

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of our talk show right wing talk
show characters actually is more

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of a libertarian type, I guess,
but who's popular successful is

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is Michael Savage. And he has a
thesis that and of course,

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anyone who listens to the show
knows that I you to a lesser

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extent, but you know, right wing
talk shows are extremely popular

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and well produced and it's a
shame that the liberals don't

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listen to them because there's a
lot of besides A lot of

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learning, learning. Yeah. Well,
it's not learning as much as

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interesting perspectives that
need to be addressed. He has

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this thesis that the reason that
American newspapers are doing so

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bad in terms of they're losing,
they just keep losing

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circulation. And he went through
all the numbers over the last

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quarter mean every no matter
even the times, everybody's just

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like losing numbers like there's
no tomorrow, don't read these

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things. And the public is
getting tired of it. And I think

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is a lot of it has to do with
what came out in a Pew Research

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Report. That's showing the doing
an analysis of every story

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written about the Obama and
McCain campaign with, you know,

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even though we already we
already knew this, even though

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there was some denial for a few
years into the denials went

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away, which is that the media is
extremely liberal. And the Pew

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Research report showed that, you
know, 80% of the Obama stories

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were positive about Obama and
20% of the McCain stories were

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positive about McCain. And it
was avert, we're not talking

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about something that was like
mild, he was overt up, you know,

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positive writing about one guy
and overt negative writing, you

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know what? I'd call this, John,
because I totally agree with,

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with what's taking what you're
saying is taking place. And

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really when you look at it, the
elite, I call them the, you

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00:26:16,860 --> 00:26:21,300
know, the elitist media. And
we're definitely part of us is

444
00:26:21,330 --> 00:26:25,050
elitist, which isn't really West
Coast, East Coast, it talks to a

445
00:26:25,050 --> 00:26:28,170
very small audience. This is the
Jon Stewart show has a very

446
00:26:28,170 --> 00:26:32,670
small audience, but much, much
smaller than the NASCAR country

447
00:26:32,670 --> 00:26:37,050
in Western media, what I call
it, which is Rush Limbaugh or

448
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,130
many other forms of news and
entertainment, which is meant

449
00:26:41,130 --> 00:26:45,450
for a broad audience, as a
broadcaster was hammered into me

450
00:26:45,450 --> 00:26:48,780
go broad go broad, because you
will wind up with no audience.

451
00:26:48,780 --> 00:26:51,150
And I believe that's what's
happening to these newspapers.

452
00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:55,859
That's his theory. That's my
theory. And eight Well, it's his

453
00:26:55,859 --> 00:26:58,079
theory too. So you're in
agreement you should get should

454
00:26:58,079 --> 00:27:02,729
get together for a drink.
Anyway, the point is, is that,

455
00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:05,549
you know, the public, hey, you

456
00:27:05,549 --> 00:27:07,229
wouldn't be jealous, if I got
together with them and

457
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,750
get them out, get an autograph.
Anyway, to get a free book from

458
00:27:12,750 --> 00:27:16,290
the guy who's always given his
books away. So anyway, the point

459
00:27:16,290 --> 00:27:20,160
is, is that the audience can
only put up with so much of it

460
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,250
because they have an opinion.
And they just keep having this

461
00:27:23,250 --> 00:27:28,470
stuff thrown in their face. It
just, you know, constantly. A

462
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:32,370
lot of it's just Bs, and you can
tell and you know it after a

463
00:27:32,370 --> 00:27:35,340
while, I mean, you just sense
it, the public is becoming more

464
00:27:35,790 --> 00:27:38,700
becoming like Russia, you know,
where they were the population

465
00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:43,020
before the effect to this day,
they're extremely sceptical of

466
00:27:43,020 --> 00:27:47,550
any kind of reporting. Any you
know, you have a public that's

467
00:27:47,550 --> 00:27:50,310
so sceptical because the media
is not really doing his job.

468
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:54,210
It's just promoting its personal
agenda, even though they deny it

469
00:27:54,210 --> 00:27:57,390
because oh, we're we're supposed
to be so objective. But the fact

470
00:27:57,390 --> 00:28:00,060
of the matter is, you know, it's
all my little all be like

471
00:28:00,090 --> 00:28:03,330
democracy now, where they might
where they just at least, let

472
00:28:03,330 --> 00:28:07,080
you know where they stand up
front. Yeah. I mean, it's

473
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,490
nobody's fooling anybody with
that show. And instead of trying

474
00:28:11,490 --> 00:28:14,490
to trick you, and I think the
public resents it at some point

475
00:28:14,490 --> 00:28:16,350
they're there they get sick of
it or they sell or they just get

476
00:28:16,350 --> 00:28:21,090
tired of it. And I don't know
and then the news choices of

477
00:28:21,090 --> 00:28:25,080
course, which is what you have
you listened to the the right if

478
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,390
you want to call them right wing
philosophers, but the people

479
00:28:27,390 --> 00:28:31,080
that are conservative that took
over the country for a while

480
00:28:31,980 --> 00:28:35,130
they had this thing which I
always thought Richard viguerie,

481
00:28:35,130 --> 00:28:39,000
who is one of the great direct
marketing people and but he does

482
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,090
mostly political stuff in
history, wrote a bunch of books

483
00:28:42,090 --> 00:28:44,310
he writes, he tells you how to
do all this stuff and do these

484
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:47,730
guys a lot of people have great
skills and I have to do is read

485
00:28:47,730 --> 00:28:52,530
their book, and you get all the
tips you can do it to vagary

486
00:28:52,530 --> 00:28:55,440
says that, and I always agreed
with this, he says, it's not so

487
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,350
much the way they write the
stories. It's the stories that

488
00:28:58,350 --> 00:29:03,030
decide to cover, of course, and
we run into that, in fact, I

489
00:29:03,030 --> 00:29:08,520
have a blog and all the guys all
my other editors had that blog

490
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,630
there, you know, it's called,
you know, underreported news a

491
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:15,870
with a subhead, why, ask
yourself why you're reading this

492
00:29:15,870 --> 00:29:19,050
on a blog. And there'll be a lot
of scandalous and interesting

493
00:29:19,050 --> 00:29:22,380
stories that you just read is
almost impossible to find many

494
00:29:22,380 --> 00:29:24,870
of them covered in the European
newspapers and completely

495
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:26,190
avoided here. Yeah.

496
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,920
No, it's true. And although I
have, you know, I'm just

497
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,740
imagining a little bit of this,
you know, our numbers are

498
00:29:34,740 --> 00:29:37,620
shooting through the roof. I
think people are slowly

499
00:29:37,650 --> 00:29:41,640
switching on to the idea that
there is some alternative out

500
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,430
there and there are other smart
people. And we're starting to

501
00:29:44,430 --> 00:29:47,070
brand ourselves appropriately
and people are picking up on

502
00:29:47,070 --> 00:29:49,470
more information and there's
more choices. There's more

503
00:29:49,470 --> 00:29:52,950
angles, you can look at things
from so you can start to define

504
00:29:53,340 --> 00:29:58,740
your own opinion. But yeah, the
it's, it's so obvious when you

505
00:29:58,740 --> 00:30:03,150
come from abroad. have cast
background like yourself and I,

506
00:30:04,020 --> 00:30:07,380
you know when you know how it
works and you know, play the

507
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,050
actually I was talking to Ron
about this because he was

508
00:30:10,050 --> 00:30:13,440
showing Auggie, his son who's 26
He was saying play the flashback

509
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,580
game. And so he loads up Fox
News on one channel, then, you

510
00:30:17,580 --> 00:30:21,120
know, loads of CNN on the other
hand flashes back and forth with

511
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,930
the last channel. And then all
of a sudden becomes apparent.

512
00:30:24,930 --> 00:30:27,480
Hey, wait a minute, these guys
are all hyping up Obama and

513
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:32,310
those guys are all hyping up
McCain. And only when you see it

514
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:35,430
in that context, does it really
start to dawn on you, when most

515
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:38,190
people don't realise this is
taking place and don't realise

516
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,620
how it really works, you know,
the ownership structure, which,

517
00:30:43,770 --> 00:30:47,010
you know, there's rarely a guy
sitting in a room with a white

518
00:30:47,010 --> 00:30:52,800
cat going for, you know, turn up
the Obama, that kind of, it

519
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,190
trickles down through the big
lever, yeah, trickles down

520
00:30:56,190 --> 00:30:59,190
through the DNA of a company.
And if you've worked in any type

521
00:30:59,190 --> 00:31:02,220
of media organisation, you know
what this is like, Oh, we don't

522
00:31:02,220 --> 00:31:04,920
do that here. We don't talk
about that here. No, that's not

523
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:09,240
really what they want is a very
mystical day. And I've always

524
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,060
had who's they get they on the
phone? Because I got a question.

525
00:31:12,090 --> 00:31:16,950
No, no. Kid, by the way, usually
gets you fired.

526
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:22,200
Well, yeah, that you become you
become the what was that movie

527
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,800
with Tom Cruise that he played
the sports agent? Turning

528
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:30,450
Maguire? Yeah. Maguire is
actually if people haven't seen

529
00:31:30,450 --> 00:31:33,630
that movie, you should review or
people who ask you, you should

530
00:31:33,630 --> 00:31:37,500
revisit it because it only for
the beginning. Because the guys

531
00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:42,690
is gung ho superstar. And he
decides to stupidly reveal a

532
00:31:42,690 --> 00:31:45,600
memo that he wrote showing you
some of the ways that they can

533
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:52,740
improve the company. Big
mistake, and he's out. You

534
00:31:52,740 --> 00:31:55,920
always have to be careful
because the companies are

535
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,610
corporate that mean corporate
cultures are our animals.

536
00:31:59,970 --> 00:32:00,270
They're

537
00:32:00,299 --> 00:32:03,029
they'll, they'll say, shred you
and spit you out.

538
00:32:03,780 --> 00:32:07,140
They exist on their own. And
what's what's interesting to me

539
00:32:07,140 --> 00:32:10,590
about the newspaper situation,
which I think is not discussed

540
00:32:10,590 --> 00:32:13,800
much, but I should remember
because I used to be, you know,

541
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:14,700
here we go. Yeah.

542
00:32:14,730 --> 00:32:16,770
Wait a minute. You used to be
Lou Grant.

543
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,980
I used to be a paperboy. Of
course. And so, so it was I was

544
00:32:22,980 --> 00:32:27,090
very sorry, you were y'all.
Yeah. He must have been the last

545
00:32:27,090 --> 00:32:32,490
one. Anyway, so. And I was
working for the contribute. And

546
00:32:32,490 --> 00:32:35,520
I remember the newspaper
business back when I was a kid,

547
00:32:35,820 --> 00:32:37,860
and because my thing my dad
would bitch about this because

548
00:32:37,860 --> 00:32:44,070
he was like a liberal Democrat,
you know, union guy, and, you

549
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:47,910
know, labour. And he would
always say, Well, you know, and

550
00:32:47,910 --> 00:32:51,930
he the rule was, all the
newspapers are owned by right

551
00:32:51,930 --> 00:32:54,750
wingers. And all the reporters
were left wingers and that's the

552
00:32:54,750 --> 00:32:57,840
way that that's the balance that
you had. And you could never

553
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,540
really, you know, get too far
out of control because you had a

554
00:33:00,540 --> 00:33:05,520
boss and owner, like Noland in
Oakland, who would became

555
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,990
governor that one wasn't gonna
let it happen but in today's

556
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:13,470
environment, it's like the
owners are the Liberals they're

557
00:33:13,470 --> 00:33:16,080
the rich you know, there's a lot
of people you know, there's a

558
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,690
study that just came out showing
that the especially the hyper

559
00:33:18,690 --> 00:33:22,560
rich are all Democrats, the rich
are all Republicans and

560
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,370
everybody else's is a Democrat.
But the the super rich are all

561
00:33:26,370 --> 00:33:28,560
Democrats in the I mean, we can
I can name

562
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:31,289
names. They're actually
socialists,

563
00:33:32,490 --> 00:33:34,860
right? They're socialists, maybe
they're got a lot of money in

564
00:33:34,860 --> 00:33:36,870
there. You know, Warren
Buffett's in this category.

565
00:33:36,900 --> 00:33:41,130
Warren Buffett, Steve Jobs, John
Doerr, right, all of

566
00:33:41,129 --> 00:33:45,659
them. So anyways, Soros right, a
good example. These guys are

567
00:33:45,659 --> 00:33:49,919
billionaires. So anyway, the
vague, these people own the

568
00:33:49,919 --> 00:33:52,559
media now, also, I mean, instead
of the we don't have the balance

569
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:54,989
anymore. In other words, you
don't have the owner who says I

570
00:33:54,989 --> 00:33:57,989
don't care what anybody thinks
in the editorial room, I'm this

571
00:33:57,989 --> 00:34:01,799
paper is for the Republican, and
here, you know, suddenly put up,

572
00:34:01,829 --> 00:34:05,279
you know, we recommend you vote
for this guy. Now. Like I think

573
00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:08,669
that they the results have just
come in. It's like 80% of the

574
00:34:08,669 --> 00:34:13,019
newspapers around the country,
the USA, have endorsed Obama and

575
00:34:13,049 --> 00:34:17,039
20% of in which are the the
hangers on the 20%. And indoors,

576
00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:20,639
McCain. And you know it, there's
no reason for the thing that in

577
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:23,609
the olden days, you'd never have
that if the if the Republican

578
00:34:23,609 --> 00:34:26,489
was the worst guy in the world,
it would still be pushing for

579
00:34:26,489 --> 00:34:29,849
him. So the balance is missing.
So now it's just all liberals.

580
00:34:30,089 --> 00:34:35,219
I'm sure you call it that Obama
threw three journalists off of

581
00:34:35,219 --> 00:34:39,509
his plane, all three whose
newspapers had endorsed McCain.

582
00:34:40,169 --> 00:34:43,439
No, I didn't know this. Oh,
yeah. And it was under the guise

583
00:34:43,439 --> 00:34:47,219
of well, you know, we need to
let some other reporters on and

584
00:34:47,219 --> 00:34:50,369
the reporters replacing them I
think was like Ebony Magazine

585
00:34:50,369 --> 00:34:51,779
and jet magazine.

586
00:34:52,830 --> 00:34:55,200
No, yeah. Yeah. It's

587
00:34:55,200 --> 00:35:00,000
pretty funny. Report by the way.
Well, remind me by the way, they

588
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,700
I think what you just described
by the way is going to get

589
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:03,570
worse. Yeah,

590
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,820
well I mean how much we only
have a couple days left so

591
00:35:05,820 --> 00:35:06,600
doesn't make that No, no,

592
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,110
I'm talking about when Obama if
Obama is elected, oh, yes gonna

593
00:35:10,110 --> 00:35:12,630
be worse than the Clinton
administration for like, you

594
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:15,330
know, marginalising everybody
and taking over the media and

595
00:35:15,330 --> 00:35:18,480
making those press conferences
like really they're gonna be

596
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,190
embarrassingly fawning.

597
00:35:20,220 --> 00:35:23,700
Who do you Who do you think
would be a good press secretary

598
00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:25,470
for Obama? I would.

599
00:35:29,340 --> 00:35:33,480
Oh, man, you caught me mid
swallow in my water. I could

600
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,580
have been dying was spewed on
that I was fine.

601
00:35:37,710 --> 00:35:40,980
I do have some thoughts about
Obama, we'll get to that we talk

602
00:35:40,980 --> 00:35:45,870
about the Oba mercial. Maybe we
should talk about it now. I

603
00:35:45,870 --> 00:35:48,150
can't remember where we were.
Are we talking about your dad?

604
00:35:48,210 --> 00:35:52,560
And about the balance? So yeah,
well, you were Yeah, make that

605
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:58,650
go ahead. We were talking about
Obama's get going to clamp down

606
00:35:58,650 --> 00:36:03,420
and on the right wing or the
conservative sides of the media

607
00:36:03,420 --> 00:36:05,700
and is they're not going to be
in the press conferences are not

608
00:36:05,700 --> 00:36:08,970
going to get any access at all,
they're going to be denied

609
00:36:08,970 --> 00:36:11,640
access. I mean, that's what the
President can do. I mean, it's

610
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,510
began years ago, you know, with
you know, Biden or maybe was

611
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:17,760
Nixonian I'm not sure where it
really began

612
00:36:17,790 --> 00:36:19,620
well, didn't they didn't
eventually didn't Bush

613
00:36:19,620 --> 00:36:23,310
eventually throw Helen out the
world the cabinet that I know

614
00:36:23,310 --> 00:36:25,770
of? Well, she's I think she was
she resigned she was so

615
00:36:25,770 --> 00:36:28,920
disgusted with it all. She she
left she decided that to cover

616
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:29,190
it anyway,

617
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:32,130
I think she retired. I don't
think she was I mean, she wrote

618
00:36:32,970 --> 00:36:33,450
she wrote,

619
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:36,540
which I have, which I have on my
list. I really should read that

620
00:36:36,540 --> 00:36:38,340
because man, she was there for
everything.

621
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:45,180
But I think this guy's gonna be
potentially beyond the recipe

622
00:36:45,180 --> 00:36:47,160
because he knows he can get away
with all this stuff. And

623
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,610
everybody's gonna cheer him
because the air all the liberal

624
00:36:50,610 --> 00:36:55,410
friends that I have that are
Democrats are, most of them come

625
00:36:55,410 --> 00:36:59,670
to consoles, liberals are real
extreme ones are progressive,

626
00:37:00,030 --> 00:37:05,010
which is kind of a throwback
term. And they are so irked

627
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,030
being cut out of the deal for so
long, that they're going to be

628
00:37:09,090 --> 00:37:10,860
dummy, they'd be cheering
Hitler.

629
00:37:11,610 --> 00:37:15,330
Just to give you a perspective
on how well I can say Europe is

630
00:37:15,330 --> 00:37:18,510
certainly the the United Kingdom
is looking at these last days

631
00:37:19,020 --> 00:37:21,510
before the election, and they
are following it quite closely.

632
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:24,810
They have the reporters on the
ground they have they're using

633
00:37:24,810 --> 00:37:29,130
studios in Washington, with
audiences. And those are pretty

634
00:37:29,130 --> 00:37:31,830
funny actually, because they
know they'll have a panel of two

635
00:37:31,830 --> 00:37:35,070
or three Obama people two or
three McCain people want to be

636
00:37:35,070 --> 00:37:38,370
like a Republican, not
affiliated with the campaign.

637
00:37:38,370 --> 00:37:41,700
And there's usually one person
who is actually in the campaign.

638
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,420
But the audience it's, I love
it, you can pick them out, you

639
00:37:45,420 --> 00:37:48,360
know, the audience is so
stacked, you know, they went to

640
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,030
Central Casting and said, Give
me some Republicans give me some

641
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:53,850
Democrats give me some
undecided. And literally, the

642
00:37:53,850 --> 00:37:57,450
Republicans are great, you know,
they're like 16 year old boys,

643
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:02,580
you know, full full suits, ties,
you know, very articulate and

644
00:38:02,580 --> 00:38:05,940
very, you know, you just want to
slap them upside the head, one

645
00:38:05,940 --> 00:38:10,500
of those little bastards, Oxford
debaters to have exactly on the

646
00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:14,250
debate team. And then you can
see which ones are I mean, you

647
00:38:14,250 --> 00:38:16,920
can just tell right, it's
totally stacked. But what's

648
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,890
really interesting is the main
thrust of the conversation I've

649
00:38:19,890 --> 00:38:23,580
picked up on is that it's really
the question about race, which I

650
00:38:23,580 --> 00:38:28,590
see. Well, I saw less of that in
the US in the last four or five

651
00:38:28,590 --> 00:38:32,460
weeks, than just the little
amount that I've watched of

652
00:38:32,460 --> 00:38:36,930
coverage here in the UK. And,
and they really go in in depth

653
00:38:36,930 --> 00:38:40,830
into this into this question of,
of race, and you know, the

654
00:38:40,830 --> 00:38:45,420
warrior, we're gonna get a
Bradley Effect, all these

655
00:38:45,420 --> 00:38:48,780
different things. And there was
one woman who was it was a news

656
00:38:48,780 --> 00:38:52,560
piece. I don't know who she was.
And she said something really

657
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,740
interesting. She said, just so
she's black. She said, just so

658
00:38:55,740 --> 00:39:02,790
you know, Obama is is not an
African American, he does not

659
00:39:02,790 --> 00:39:08,550
come from slave roots. Ergo, he
does not necessarily represent

660
00:39:08,580 --> 00:39:13,530
the African Americans in the
United States. And it didn't

661
00:39:13,530 --> 00:39:15,930
really, it didn't really hit me
until I realised that that's

662
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:21,120
that's really an interesting
statement. And it just shows you

663
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:25,680
how racist people actually are,
because they are judging, in

664
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:30,090
many cases, judging his
perceived culture and background

665
00:39:30,090 --> 00:39:33,360
based upon his skin colour, and
not really on his real

666
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:39,060
background, which indeed has
nothing to do with Africa,

667
00:39:39,090 --> 00:39:42,000
African Americans, descendants
from slaves.

668
00:39:42,660 --> 00:39:45,750
Yeah, no, this a specific type
of African American is obviously

669
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:49,770
an African American. But this
issue came up you missed it

670
00:39:49,770 --> 00:39:54,960
probably just came up in this
election cycle during the early

671
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,250
primaries. When he was running
against Hillary. This became a

672
00:39:59,250 --> 00:40:02,340
huge issue. For a couple of
weeks it was brought up by this

673
00:40:02,340 --> 00:40:06,540
sharp 10s Or this you know, the
black. The you know, the people

674
00:40:06,540 --> 00:40:08,850
that you know that marginalised
one

675
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:12,360
is this one is this one Al
Sharpton tried to say off camera

676
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:15,570
or I don't like the way he was
Jesse Jackson, Jesse Jackson,

677
00:40:15,570 --> 00:40:15,900
right?

678
00:40:16,650 --> 00:40:20,310
But it was it was one of those
guys, they brought it up. And it

679
00:40:20,310 --> 00:40:23,700
became kind of an issue that
he's not really black or he's, I

680
00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:25,950
think it was may have been
Sharpton. But it was one of

681
00:40:25,950 --> 00:40:29,490
these guys that said he's not
black enough. And then they

682
00:40:29,490 --> 00:40:30,450
started talking about

683
00:40:31,230 --> 00:40:34,980
him. Am I crazy? Or is that the
most racist thing you can say?

684
00:40:35,790 --> 00:40:39,210
It's pretty bad. I mean, that
that seems like an outrageous

685
00:40:39,210 --> 00:40:40,530
racist comment to me.

686
00:40:41,100 --> 00:40:44,070
Well, nobody calls anybody on,
they're given a pass on this

687
00:40:44,070 --> 00:40:47,160
stuff. And that's just the way
it goes now, and nobody, you

688
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,830
know, was not going to give him
a pass on. It's like, oh, you

689
00:40:49,830 --> 00:40:52,410
know, bring it up some other
time. Now, the thing that's

690
00:40:52,410 --> 00:40:57,120
interesting is that shut up,
bring

691
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:58,260
it up some other time. Well,
yeah.

692
00:40:59,250 --> 00:41:03,210
So So I don't I should, I could
find it. I'd send it to you. But

693
00:41:03,330 --> 00:41:06,660
somebody sent me a can maybe we
can play it next week after the

694
00:41:06,660 --> 00:41:08,880
election is over. But although
wouldn't do any good.

695
00:41:09,540 --> 00:41:14,910
Apparently, Howard Stern sent
his man on the street into

696
00:41:14,910 --> 00:41:18,030
Harlem. And have you heard any
of this?

697
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,590
Is this is this the piece where
they where the question is, do

698
00:41:22,590 --> 00:41:25,500
you think that having Barack
Obama and Sarah Palin on the

699
00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:26,730
same ticket will be good?

700
00:41:27,330 --> 00:41:31,020
Exactly. Yeah, he went on, the
idea was to prove that that

701
00:41:31,020 --> 00:41:33,390
blacks are just voting for
Obama, because he's black. And

702
00:41:33,390 --> 00:41:35,850
there's no thought at all
involved in the whole thing,

703
00:41:35,850 --> 00:41:38,790
which is, again, another racist
thing. So he goes into the

704
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:41,730
street, and he and the idea was
he brings this guy out there,

705
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,580
because you can do this with any
population in the United States.

706
00:41:44,580 --> 00:41:46,890
So it's kind of artificial,
because I mean, Jay Leno has

707
00:41:46,890 --> 00:41:50,820
been making a career out of this
thing called jaywalking. But

708
00:41:50,820 --> 00:41:53,400
anyway, so the idea was, you go
into the street, and you take

709
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,780
some, just any casual person in
Harlem, a black person. And you

710
00:41:57,780 --> 00:42:02,040
ask them a question about Obama,
and whether they agree with his

711
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:07,710
policies, and then you reiterate
McCain's policies. Yeah. Yeah,

712
00:42:07,710 --> 00:42:11,220
obviously seen this, after they
agree to that you say, and you

713
00:42:11,220 --> 00:42:14,130
don't think it was bad that he
has a vice president like Sarah

714
00:42:14,130 --> 00:42:17,640
Palin as his running mate, and
see what they say. And they all

715
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,400
agreed with McCain's policies.
And they thought Sarah Palin was

716
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,240
fine as his running mate, even
though she's not. And the whole

717
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:28,500
thing was ridiculous. But it's a
typical, that you listen to more

718
00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:31,470
you listen to these kinds of
things, and jaywalking that Jay

719
00:42:31,470 --> 00:42:34,470
Leno does is actually worse, it
just makes you shake your head,

720
00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:38,700
the only thing I take issue with
is people forget, and I see this

721
00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:43,350
with very highly intelligent
people. They forget that there

722
00:42:43,350 --> 00:42:46,950
is an editor who put this
together. And obviously, it's a

723
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:50,310
lot less spectacular. If you see
a couple of people answered

724
00:42:50,310 --> 00:42:53,490
quite intelligently and not
falling for it. And you just put

725
00:42:53,490 --> 00:42:57,180
all this the idiots together.
There are many examples of this

726
00:42:57,180 --> 00:43:00,690
type of video on YouTube.
tonnes, you know, it's like name

727
00:43:00,690 --> 00:43:04,200
a country that starts with a
letter, you know, it's like,

728
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:06,780
and, of course, if you think
about America, not a lot of

729
00:43:06,780 --> 00:43:10,380
people think about United States
of America. And you know,

730
00:43:10,380 --> 00:43:11,880
they're like, Utah.

731
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,900
Right? They say, Utah. Well,
there was this one kid roaming

732
00:43:15,900 --> 00:43:20,460
around, I think we blogged this
one or I did. Who goes away some

733
00:43:20,460 --> 00:43:24,600
joker goes to some hottie
College, some Behati private

734
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,240
college somewhere. You negati
hated the place. And he goes to

735
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:30,660
the women one after another
saying, you know, getting him to

736
00:43:30,660 --> 00:43:35,340
sign a petition against women's
suffrage. Yeah. And, you know,

737
00:43:35,340 --> 00:43:37,560
he gets them all to say, Oh,
I've women's suffrage. Oh, yeah,

738
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,740
I'll sign that, you know, girls,
that's the woman's right to

739
00:43:40,740 --> 00:43:45,240
vote. Right. And meanwhile, just
just one girls go for it. She's

740
00:43:45,240 --> 00:43:48,720
signing away and her boyfriend
shouts out. You can't sign that

741
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:51,480
that's talking about she he knew
it was about the right to vote.

742
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,550
And she was like, I don't know
what he's talking about. She

743
00:43:53,550 --> 00:43:58,110
signs today anyway. And then And
then finally, there was the one

744
00:43:58,110 --> 00:44:01,800
girl who knew, and you know, out
of the group, but again, you're

745
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,710
right. I mean, these things are
I mean, you edit them for a

746
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:08,070
fact, you can imagine what Jay
Leno how much footage that they

747
00:44:08,070 --> 00:44:11,940
actually get, Tom before they
find these incredible dummies

748
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:14,550
who don't know, but apparently
don't know anything.

749
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:18,690
So from that very perspective,
and this is a unique perspective

750
00:44:18,690 --> 00:44:21,480
that John and I have, because we
know how television works and

751
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,800
how it's how it's made. And I
and I probably know more of the

752
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:32,850
dirty tricks because MTV is full
of them. And they're not

753
00:44:32,850 --> 00:44:35,850
considered dirty or bad. By the
way, do we just do it as a force

754
00:44:35,850 --> 00:44:41,340
of nature? The Obama mercial
should be on this topic. And

755
00:44:41,370 --> 00:44:45,990
thank you for for sending me the
link. So I could watch it in its

756
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:49,560
entirety. Were you able to watch
this in high def, by the way?

757
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,190
Yeah. How did that look in high
def, because I thought it

758
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:54,450
wasn't it wasn't special.

759
00:44:55,230 --> 00:44:59,730
But the the tone and the colour
of it. It felt to me like it was

760
00:44:59,730 --> 00:45:03,870
one of the was read read filters
and it wasn't film but it was it

761
00:45:03,870 --> 00:45:06,990
was video that was kind of drawn
into film. What what did you

762
00:45:06,990 --> 00:45:07,620
think it was?

763
00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:13,590
That wasn't good. I think that
was just a bad. What do you call

764
00:45:13,590 --> 00:45:16,980
it when you think just a bad
copy? No, I mean, I copy but you

765
00:45:16,980 --> 00:45:20,370
know, that was ripped to flash
no one.

766
00:45:21,090 --> 00:45:24,270
But still, when I looked at it,
it felt to me like they were

767
00:45:24,270 --> 00:45:29,310
they had put some form of nice
effect into the entire piece to

768
00:45:29,310 --> 00:45:30,930
give it kind of like that film
look.

769
00:45:31,650 --> 00:45:34,830
Well, you know, it's possible. I
mean, I was I would initially

770
00:45:34,830 --> 00:45:37,500
guess it was the transcoding.
But now that you mentioned it,

771
00:45:38,430 --> 00:45:40,680
and I'm just this is just a
guess, because I never looked at

772
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,040
the little version that you
have. It's possible that there

773
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,350
was something going on like
that, that when it was

774
00:45:46,350 --> 00:45:48,600
transcoded became more apparent?

775
00:45:49,170 --> 00:45:53,370
Well, I'm all you know, it's, it
wouldn't matter if if it was if

776
00:45:53,370 --> 00:45:56,010
they did it, then I wouldn't be
able to see it because I just

777
00:45:56,010 --> 00:45:59,610
know and I can always pick up on
these things and with the

778
00:45:59,610 --> 00:46:03,180
knowledge that you know that
that video of the horrible Obama

779
00:46:03,180 --> 00:46:07,740
Eugen singing that was done by
Jeff was it Zakhar and

780
00:46:09,540 --> 00:46:11,100
the NBC guy in DC guy

781
00:46:11,100 --> 00:46:15,390
but also the they specifically
thank the the red Corporation,

782
00:46:15,390 --> 00:46:19,020
the red lenses, whatever it is,
people who make that? Oh, I

783
00:46:19,020 --> 00:46:23,970
didn't know that. Yeah, cuz it
was, you know, they had the the

784
00:46:23,970 --> 00:46:26,790
Steadicam operator and other
famous guy who does a lot of he

785
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:30,180
was director of photography and
a lot of different movies.

786
00:46:30,900 --> 00:46:33,450
Anyway, so though, of course,
there were no credits, which is

787
00:46:33,450 --> 00:46:37,050
what I really wanted to see. But
it looked like, look, you know,

788
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:38,280
I liked the way they did that.

789
00:46:39,450 --> 00:46:42,120
And yeah, well that you could
tell that production I here's,

790
00:46:42,330 --> 00:46:45,090
before you give your analysis,
let me just say what I thought,

791
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:49,470
which is that I thought that
thing was extremely Hollywood at

792
00:46:49,470 --> 00:46:51,030
the beginning. And you could
tell that they used some

793
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:55,140
expensive people and Obama's
team, whoever they was really

794
00:46:55,140 --> 00:46:58,530
running things are really adept
at getting who they need to get

795
00:46:58,530 --> 00:47:02,250
to make this guy look the best
he can. And then I thought they

796
00:47:02,250 --> 00:47:06,060
kind of blew it at the end with
that live thing. I thought that

797
00:47:06,060 --> 00:47:07,380
was like lame. Well, that

798
00:47:07,380 --> 00:47:09,690
wasn't on the video. Because I
only have the whole video. I

799
00:47:09,690 --> 00:47:12,630
didn't have this switch over to
live I did hear audio of it.

800
00:47:12,660 --> 00:47:16,590
When they switched to Florida.
It was it was in Florida.

801
00:47:17,010 --> 00:47:19,620
Yeah, it was in Florida. There
was like, it wasn't one of his

802
00:47:19,620 --> 00:47:22,050
biggest groups. That was some
empty seats that were which they

803
00:47:22,050 --> 00:47:24,480
obviously didn't have the right
you know, people there fill

804
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,740
those seats up. And it was it
should change the tone. And I

805
00:47:28,740 --> 00:47:32,760
thought it I thought the whole
effect that was being developed

806
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:33,870
throughout the regular.

807
00:47:34,170 --> 00:47:37,740
Good, and then they ruined it
with that. Then they ruined it

808
00:47:37,740 --> 00:47:42,030
within an easy you know, up
there grab Same old, same old

809
00:47:42,030 --> 00:47:42,090
you

810
00:47:42,090 --> 00:47:44,580
know what that sounds like was
like, that sounds like feature

811
00:47:44,580 --> 00:47:47,520
creep. It sounds to me like the
production team was okay, we're

812
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,880
gonna make this beautiful video,
and then we're gonna switch live

813
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,240
via satellite to Florida. It'll
be a beautiful thing. That's

814
00:47:54,270 --> 00:47:56,640
that feels like a director who
was just given a little bit too

815
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:57,270
much rope.

816
00:47:58,290 --> 00:48:02,430
Could be. Yeah, it was, I think
I think whatever impact the

817
00:48:02,610 --> 00:48:05,460
first part of it had, which I
guess is all you saw, I didn't

818
00:48:05,460 --> 00:48:07,650
know that. That other part
wasn't at the end, I would have

819
00:48:07,650 --> 00:48:12,150
gotten a copy. And then they you
know, just like wow, what an

820
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:15,630
amazingly well produced good,
you know, see the guy wasn't

821
00:48:15,630 --> 00:48:18,990
pushing it too far was just
well, it was tastefully done.

822
00:48:18,990 --> 00:48:23,250
And then then they throw you did
some horrible convention live

823
00:48:23,250 --> 00:48:26,550
thing with him yelling and
screaming like Hitler, you know,

824
00:48:26,550 --> 00:48:31,350
on top of a podium. And I'm
thinking here was what I was

825
00:48:31,350 --> 00:48:33,300
looking for. Yeah.

826
00:48:34,830 --> 00:48:40,500
I thought the casting was really
well done. I like the the you

827
00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:43,950
always you put people on that
could be the people watching.

828
00:48:43,950 --> 00:48:46,740
That's the whole point. Not
about audience, by the way. 30

829
00:48:46,740 --> 00:48:49,770
million, so about 10 10 million
per network, these that's

830
00:48:49,770 --> 00:48:52,710
probably 10 fold with these
networks usually get during

831
00:48:52,740 --> 00:48:57,690
election coverage. So very good
deal for everyone all round. And

832
00:48:57,690 --> 00:49:00,330
I think the price was still
quite reasonable, you know, 3

833
00:49:00,330 --> 00:49:05,160
million to reach 30 million. So
steel. Yeah, I think that's a

834
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:12,540
really good deal. What I did not
like was the writing. I thought

835
00:49:12,540 --> 00:49:16,080
the writing really fell flat. It
didn't it didn't grab me at any

836
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,630
moment. You know, it was too
many examples of people. That

837
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:21,270
was not enough. You know, the
setup was good. The opening was

838
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:24,030
good. The whole opening scene in
the office.

839
00:49:25,110 --> 00:49:27,690
Well, you know, you might have
something there because when I

840
00:49:27,690 --> 00:49:30,720
watched it, I was kind of just
trying to be I wasn't gonna take

841
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:33,390
sides. I was gonna watch this
thing. And I thought the thing

842
00:49:33,390 --> 00:49:37,740
wasn't poorly written. But when
I read the post mortems and I

843
00:49:37,740 --> 00:49:40,230
were listening to some of them
and then some people brought up

844
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:43,740
some of the ludicrous aspects of
the presentation, including this

845
00:49:43,740 --> 00:49:48,600
woman who has an you know, a
fairly new SUV and seven kids

846
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,300
with the little stickers on the
back and she has a big

847
00:49:51,300 --> 00:49:54,330
refrigerator and each kid has
their own rack where they have

848
00:49:54,330 --> 00:49:58,170
their own snacks and each one
and they have to like budget

849
00:49:58,170 --> 00:50:00,360
their snacks because they're
running out of money. Anyway,

850
00:50:02,010 --> 00:50:05,190
what are you kidding me? Yeah,
yeah. And they did they have the

851
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:10,800
uniforms on because now remember
the little surprise they didn't

852
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,650
have their armbands. So by the
way, that's what we're gonna do.

853
00:50:13,830 --> 00:50:16,290
We're gonna bring out some Obama
armbands, I think they were,

854
00:50:16,740 --> 00:50:17,580
they were great,

855
00:50:17,700 --> 00:50:19,200
awesome, it's gonna be a hit.

856
00:50:20,610 --> 00:50:22,950
I got to get a hold of our T
shirt guy anywho I'm gonna see

857
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:26,040
if he can do armbands for
example, parcelled. I gotta find

858
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:27,780
out whether we can use the logo
or not.

859
00:50:28,229 --> 00:50:31,049
I looked into it, I did find the
company that made it they did

860
00:50:31,049 --> 00:50:33,029
all the branding for the Obama
campaign.

861
00:50:33,689 --> 00:50:38,429
Oh, who? Look it up. Okay, well,
we should bring that up to the

862
00:50:38,819 --> 00:50:40,349
listeners, because it's
interesting, because it's

863
00:50:40,349 --> 00:50:45,869
extremely Madison Avenue. They
got the logo, they got the, you

864
00:50:45,869 --> 00:50:49,979
know, the certain font that they
use commonly, those posters like

865
00:50:49,979 --> 00:50:53,429
the Obama, you know, hope, dope,
smoke, whatever those things,

866
00:50:53,429 --> 00:50:56,129
say. Those were done by
independent artists on the side,

867
00:50:56,129 --> 00:50:58,589
there's a lot of independent art
that kind of came into the

868
00:50:58,589 --> 00:51:01,499
campaign that they've adopted,
but in fact, the actual

869
00:51:01,499 --> 00:51:04,229
messaging, and you can see that
the Democratic National

870
00:51:04,229 --> 00:51:08,429
Convention, it's extremely, you
know, it's art directed. And,

871
00:51:08,429 --> 00:51:10,559
you know, everyone hold up the
same poster, and then they'd

872
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:13,439
hold up another one, and it'd be
a bunch of them. I bought this,

873
00:51:13,439 --> 00:51:16,469
and I showed a lot of examples.
And these goons would come in

874
00:51:16,469 --> 00:51:19,559
with their, you know, they were
looked like one of those guys

875
00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:21,689
are working on a roadway, you
never

876
00:51:21,690 --> 00:51:25,650
see you ever see a homemade sign
in the background. And unless

877
00:51:25,650 --> 00:51:27,360
it's an extraordinary one,

878
00:51:27,900 --> 00:51:30,900
well, they would take go, they
would hustle over there and

879
00:51:30,900 --> 00:51:33,510
grabbed the guy. And I don't
know if they beat him up. But as

880
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:36,540
possible, they clubbed him, and
then they give him a regular

881
00:51:36,540 --> 00:51:36,840
raise

882
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,900
them, they tased him, give him a
regular sign

883
00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:43,740
that he's supposed to be
holding. And so it is extremely

884
00:51:43,740 --> 00:51:46,980
orchestrated to kind of a sick.
I mean, I thought it was it

885
00:51:46,980 --> 00:51:50,970
launched a lot. There's a lot of
soullessness to the, to the

886
00:51:50,970 --> 00:51:52,770
Democratic National Convention.
Well, here's

887
00:51:52,770 --> 00:51:55,470
what I here's what I miss John,
in the in the writing, okay,

888
00:51:55,470 --> 00:51:59,760
because I see this as a show.
And the the McCain Palin part of

889
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,890
the show, you know, it's like,
like on Happy Days, you know,

890
00:52:01,890 --> 00:52:04,320
sometimes you just don't see a
lot of Richie, you know, that's

891
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,860
just the way that's the way
miniseries work. So now we've

892
00:52:07,860 --> 00:52:12,240
got the funds, we've got Obama,
right friend centre, but there

893
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:15,480
was no motivation. There was no,
you know, We're the youngest

894
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,690
country. Look at Europe, the
three times as old as we are, we

895
00:52:18,690 --> 00:52:22,950
have a very dynamic, great
force, we'd love to get the shit

896
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:26,100
done. Americans are awesome. The
young people are really going to

897
00:52:26,100 --> 00:52:28,710
make stuff happen, and we're
making this change. And we have

898
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:32,580
this hope for them. It wasn't it
was all for people who the way I

899
00:52:32,610 --> 00:52:36,780
the way I felt the writing was,
it came across as okay, you

900
00:52:36,780 --> 00:52:41,310
know, yeah, I'm middle class,
you know, let me be upper middle

901
00:52:41,310 --> 00:52:46,800
class, you know, saves me.
That's basically what it was.

902
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,170
There was no inspiration for the
country.

903
00:52:49,590 --> 00:52:52,890
Didn't know what the messaging
is all day. And people have

904
00:52:52,890 --> 00:52:56,070
pointed this out before most of
Obama's messaging is negative,

905
00:52:56,190 --> 00:52:59,100
not not negative campaigning,
I'm talking about negative

906
00:52:59,100 --> 00:53:02,790
messaging, the country screwed
up. You know, we've got to turn

907
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:06,270
around, we got to fix things. We
got to redistribute the wealth.

908
00:53:06,300 --> 00:53:09,210
We got to make things more fair,
as you saw all these bad things.

909
00:53:09,540 --> 00:53:11,790
He's not saying anything bad
against McCain. Well, even

910
00:53:11,790 --> 00:53:14,100
though he does he called them
Bush every time they turn

911
00:53:14,100 --> 00:53:16,470
around, which just seems like an
insult if he asked me, so Oh,

912
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:19,440
no. Obama's not doing any
negative campaigning? Well, I

913
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,400
think calling John McCain Bush
is negative campaign. And

914
00:53:23,550 --> 00:53:26,490
you know the thing about that.
So here's what here's the here's

915
00:53:26,490 --> 00:53:30,180
the latest trip he's on. And I
want to remind our listeners

916
00:53:30,180 --> 00:53:33,510
that neither John or I are
voting for either candidate.

917
00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:39,960
They're calling me a socialist.
Well, yeah, I do remember when

918
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,650
kindergarten I do remember
sharing my toys and giving my

919
00:53:43,650 --> 00:53:48,090
friend half of my peanut butter
sandwich. And like that is that

920
00:53:48,090 --> 00:53:50,970
is I don't understand why they
don't rip into him on this.

921
00:53:51,210 --> 00:53:53,940
That's a really bad analogy,
because it's a little different

922
00:53:53,940 --> 00:53:57,630
when the teacher forces you to
give up half of your peanut

923
00:53:57,630 --> 00:54:01,740
butter sandwich. That's, you
know, there's a difference.

924
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:06,420
Yeah, no, that's a good point.
But well, he he gets away with

925
00:54:06,420 --> 00:54:08,670
anything he wants to get away.
Because let's face it, this is a

926
00:54:08,670 --> 00:54:13,650
long, I mean, it's decided by
the people who'd be criticising

927
00:54:13,650 --> 00:54:16,500
him, that they're not going to
he gets a pass on everything.

928
00:54:16,530 --> 00:54:22,650
So I know John McCain makes no
chance unless, unless there's an

929
00:54:22,650 --> 00:54:26,400
interesting twist of the just at
the very end, the final series,

930
00:54:27,180 --> 00:54:29,970
the final in the series, unless
they have rigged the voting

931
00:54:29,970 --> 00:54:35,400
machines and then John McCain
wins. That would be a very

932
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,620
interesting turn in the whole
plot, but I'm just going to

933
00:54:37,620 --> 00:54:40,860
presume that Obama becomes
president. So I'm really looking

934
00:54:40,860 --> 00:54:43,980
into what he's doing. And I'm
looking at at the plans, which

935
00:54:43,980 --> 00:54:47,970
are on the website, Brock
obama.com. And really, what I'm

936
00:54:47,970 --> 00:54:52,500
seeing is doubling of the
military, doubling of homeland

937
00:54:52,500 --> 00:54:57,840
security resources. And I see
new internet everywhere

938
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:02,340
databases everywhere. And it's
right there. I mean, there's

939
00:55:02,340 --> 00:55:05,730
stuff in there about, you know,
working with private industry

940
00:55:05,730 --> 00:55:09,090
and government to create, you
know, a new safer internet

941
00:55:09,780 --> 00:55:16,140
buying, huh? Yeah. And you can,
you can see all these little

942
00:55:16,140 --> 00:55:20,130
things that he's done throughout
his career as a senator, you

943
00:55:20,130 --> 00:55:22,830
know, these these little little
bills that are put in these one

944
00:55:22,830 --> 00:55:25,890
paragraph bills, basically
creating some kind of commission

945
00:55:25,890 --> 00:55:29,040
for this or commission for that,
or who's going to determine

946
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:30,990
what's safe on the internet. You
know, there's another

947
00:55:30,990 --> 00:55:34,320
commission, and he's passed all
these bills. And it's like, to

948
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,540
me, it seems like a beautiful
puzzle that's now coming

949
00:55:36,540 --> 00:55:40,050
together. And I look at this
policy, I'm like, wow, you know,

950
00:55:40,050 --> 00:55:44,130
that's sure hope and change.
But, you know, there's a lot of

951
00:55:44,130 --> 00:55:50,160
details on on what he's going to
do with tax credit refunds,

952
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:56,220
refundable tax credits, and, and
his health insurance plan. But

953
00:55:56,220 --> 00:55:59,730
not a lot of detail and all this
other stuff. And it seems, seems

954
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:01,920
quite far reaching in many
cases.

955
00:56:03,180 --> 00:56:05,400
Yeah, like, could be
militaristic for all we know, I

956
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,190
mean, nobody's gonna, you know,
nobody breaks any of this stuff

957
00:56:08,190 --> 00:56:12,330
down and just, you know, working
14 hours a day for Obama. I

958
00:56:12,330 --> 00:56:14,550
mean, I got a note for somebody
the other day that was like,

959
00:56:14,910 --> 00:56:18,030
yes, when you for me? Yeah, it's
afforded to you. Well, you know,

960
00:56:18,030 --> 00:56:20,220
I would like to get together
some time, you know, but I'm

961
00:56:20,250 --> 00:56:24,240
down in New Mexico, he was a
person from the Bay Area, down

962
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:27,510
in New Mexico working 14 hours a
day for the Obama campaign. Boy,

963
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:30,030
I forgot what this election is
over. And then you have your

964
00:56:30,030 --> 00:56:33,930
next door neighbour who's like
at Obama camp. And these people

965
00:56:33,930 --> 00:56:39,270
are just, I mean, amazing job of
creating a bunch of Vaal. I

966
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:43,080
mean, this just shows you by the
way, that volunteerism is alive,

967
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:47,640
and well. And not many people
take advantage of it. But people

968
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,960
do like to get involved in
movements that are historic and

969
00:56:51,990 --> 00:56:58,050
or even interesting or fun, and,
and literally work themselves to

970
00:56:58,050 --> 00:57:01,500
death on behalf of somebody else
who they'll probably never meet,

971
00:57:01,590 --> 00:57:04,770
or they might meet in a you
know, some, some sort of a line,

972
00:57:04,770 --> 00:57:06,750
you know, or they're all
standing there and they get guys

973
00:57:06,780 --> 00:57:10,440
basically, you know, given the
fish fist thing, bing, bing,

974
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,650
bing down the line as fast as he
can to get out of there. And

975
00:57:13,710 --> 00:57:17,610
that's it. So what a thankless
job. So,

976
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,810
you know, and I liked Barack
Obama, I like him, he seems like

977
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:25,740
he seems like a good guy. You
know, he's, he's programme. And

978
00:57:25,740 --> 00:57:29,880
he's being run by, by Well, what
you would call the shadow

979
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:34,680
government. And well, you would
call Brzezinski Yes. Absolute?

980
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:42,480
Well, yes. For sure. And I'm
thinking that there must be a

981
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,270
way to hack into the system
because if we could, if we the

982
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:48,510
people could truly get him to do
the things that that we want.

983
00:57:49,290 --> 00:57:50,490
That will be pretty awesome.

984
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:52,800
Because that's never gonna
happen.

985
00:57:53,130 --> 00:57:56,640
Well, I don't know. I mean,
maybe there's a way to hack into

986
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:58,290
reprogram his thoughts,

987
00:57:58,860 --> 00:58:01,350
shows he gets an office, they
drag him aside, three goons

988
00:58:01,350 --> 00:58:05,940
grabbing and these days checked
in with something. And then they

989
00:58:05,940 --> 00:58:08,430
didn't have you never see him
again. You will love this. And

990
00:58:08,430 --> 00:58:11,640
he's always given speeches. This
reminds me of that Star Trek

991
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:12,090
episode.

992
00:58:12,420 --> 00:58:14,520
Before we get into that, before
you get into that, I gotta tell

993
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:20,040
you this as a part of the plan.
He has worked and will support

994
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:29,190
and will make available $4
billion for the avian flu. Yeah,

995
00:58:30,030 --> 00:58:36,720
that freaks me out. Why? Because
there is no avian flu. Well,

996
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,800
they're definitely won't be they
spend a billion to

997
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:46,560
$4 billion. Okay, your essay
said a billion of 4 billion, 4

998
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:50,010
billion with a B $4 billion set
aside.

999
00:58:50,370 --> 00:58:53,250
I think there is an avian flu.
And I think our little operation

1000
00:58:53,250 --> 00:58:57,840
Adam, the avian flu elimination
project is going to need some

1001
00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:58,440
funding.

1002
00:59:00,030 --> 00:59:04,920
Damn, you're so right. Hmm. We
must get on this immediately.

1003
00:59:06,420 --> 00:59:08,910
Oh, my goodness. Okay. Yeah, the
Star Trek episode.

1004
00:59:10,590 --> 00:59:13,560
Yeah, they get started one of
the older ones, everyone who's

1005
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,290
seen Star Trek, you know, the
original series probably seen it

1006
00:59:16,290 --> 00:59:18,300
a million times, but this is the
one where they show up on this

1007
00:59:18,300 --> 00:59:22,200
plan that places fascist. And
then they find the guy who's

1008
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,660
running the plate, everyone's
wearing Nazi armbands and

1009
00:59:24,660 --> 00:59:28,650
whatever. And the guy who's
running the place is almost some

1010
00:59:28,650 --> 00:59:32,760
guy from you know, it was from
the Federation or whatever,

1011
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,010
they, Oregon, you know,
whatever. They, I forgot what

1012
00:59:35,010 --> 00:59:38,280
it's called. But the he's one of
the Star Trek guys. He's like a

1013
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,040
guy that was sent out on a
different mission. And next

1014
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:45,510
thing you know, he's now
potentially a fascist. And then

1015
00:59:45,510 --> 00:59:49,410
they determined of course that
he was he just did the fascist

1016
00:59:49,410 --> 00:59:51,720
thing to try to straighten out
what was an out of control

1017
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:55,050
society, and they got carried
away and then some evil people.

1018
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,980
Because he became so popular.
They drugged him and made him do

1019
00:59:58,980 --> 01:00:02,550
their bidding. You know, behind
the glass wall and they had to

1020
01:00:02,550 --> 01:00:05,970
rescue him and then take him off
these drugs so he could say no,

1021
01:00:05,970 --> 01:00:09,930
you know, we got to give his
last speech and say this is all

1022
01:00:09,930 --> 01:00:13,320
wrong, wrong wrong. And of
course, then they shoot him. The

1023
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,200
bat, you know, the bad guys do
and then they arrested the Nazis

1024
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,510
and it's just it was actually a
pretty one of the better stories

1025
01:00:18,510 --> 01:00:19,530
was very interesting.

1026
01:00:19,890 --> 01:00:22,530
It's Wizard of Oz.

1027
01:00:24,750 --> 01:00:25,950
Well, not really,

1028
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:32,880
in a way in the metaphoric sense
that the seeming power really is

1029
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:33,600
powerless.

1030
01:00:34,410 --> 01:00:38,640
Yeah, well, that's true. The guy
was a phoney but he wasn't like,

1031
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,510
the difference is that one was
unwitting. And the other one

1032
01:00:42,510 --> 01:00:44,010
was, you know, volunteer. So

1033
01:00:44,010 --> 01:00:46,380
it's slightly different. The
Manchurian Candidate.

1034
01:00:47,580 --> 01:00:50,580
goal is that too. Yeah, by the
way, if anyone hasn't seen you

1035
01:00:50,580 --> 01:00:53,130
know, the Manchurian Candidate,
the original one, which shows up

1036
01:00:53,130 --> 01:00:55,470
on TV every once awhile, a black
and white movie with Frank

1037
01:00:55,470 --> 01:01:00,630
Sinatra is an hour is much
better than the second the

1038
01:01:00,630 --> 01:01:03,510
second year they do these read,
you know, they'd redo these

1039
01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:06,090
movies and they change the
story, the original story and

1040
01:01:06,090 --> 01:01:08,280
the novel. By the way, if you
want to read a good book, read

1041
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,130
the Manchurian Candidate, the
book, it actually has a lot of

1042
01:01:11,130 --> 01:01:14,340
interesting. There's a lot of
interest is well written. Let's

1043
01:01:14,340 --> 01:01:16,740
put it that way in a great read
if you haven't read it, and

1044
01:01:16,770 --> 01:01:19,380
rather than read this new stuff,
read, go back and read some

1045
01:01:19,380 --> 01:01:22,140
classics. But the Manchurian
Candidate is one of them. But

1046
01:01:22,140 --> 01:01:24,930
the original movie, of course,
was never successful, because it

1047
01:01:24,930 --> 01:01:28,830
came out just as John Kennedy
was assassinated. And that thing

1048
01:01:28,830 --> 01:01:31,200
had to actually be shelved. I
don't think you've ever made any

1049
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,440
money. But it is a great, great
film.

1050
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:42,300
I got a question for you. Yeah,
this show has been on the has

1051
01:01:42,300 --> 01:01:45,510
been going for over a year now.
We actually forgot to celebrate

1052
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:52,530
our one year anniversary, honey,
I'm sorry. To lo siento. I think

1053
01:01:52,530 --> 01:01:56,460
somewhere around episode 20. We
were talking about China. In the

1054
01:01:56,460 --> 01:01:57,120
Congo.

1055
01:01:58,110 --> 01:02:01,830
Oh, yeah. And Africa throughout
Africa. Right. But

1056
01:02:01,830 --> 01:02:06,450
specifically there in the Congo.
This is 750,000 Chinese workers

1057
01:02:06,450 --> 01:02:08,550
now. Yeah. In Africa.

1058
01:02:08,970 --> 01:02:11,700
Yeah. Because they can't find
workers in Africa, apparently.

1059
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:12,030
Yeah.

1060
01:02:12,510 --> 01:02:16,560
And, you know, they they
promised to build hospitals,

1061
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:20,250
schools, roads, you know, all
this stuff in the Congo in

1062
01:02:20,250 --> 01:02:23,340
particular roads, very important
because they've got the red mud.

1063
01:02:23,340 --> 01:02:25,920
And I actually know a little bit
about that. I can remember

1064
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:32,310
getting stuck in the red mud as
a kid in Uganda. And so you

1065
01:02:32,310 --> 01:02:34,080
know, they move in quite
aggressively. They need the

1066
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:37,080
gold, they need all the
minerals. There's what's the

1067
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:41,010
stuff that is in the in mobile
phones, Johns and other mineral

1068
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:46,170
data, palladium or malaria?
mullite. Not accom.

1069
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:47,550
There's not cobalt, but

1070
01:02:50,580 --> 01:02:52,500
I don't know. I mean, there's a
bunch of that. Yeah, I know what

1071
01:02:52,500 --> 01:02:54,180
you're saying. It's not I
thought it was palladium. But

1072
01:02:54,180 --> 01:02:54,780
maybe I'm wrong.

1073
01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:57,120
Now. Well, they it was something
on the BBC, but I forgot what it

1074
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:01,260
was. It sounded like cobalt. I
don't know. So, you know,

1075
01:03:01,260 --> 01:03:04,380
obviously very important for
China, because most of our

1076
01:03:04,380 --> 01:03:09,360
mobile phones come from China.
Look at your iPhone. I'm

1077
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:10,530
thinking that, you know, I

1078
01:03:10,530 --> 01:03:12,390
use a Nokia II 71.

1079
01:03:12,749 --> 01:03:18,419
So do I they come from Finland?
Yeah, we're whereby the way the

1080
01:03:18,419 --> 01:03:22,859
internet has the regulation
Australia's getting. But anyway,

1081
01:03:23,129 --> 01:03:25,829
so the Chinese move in pretty
aggressively. This has only been

1082
01:03:25,829 --> 01:03:28,739
going for about a year. And in
fact, if you know, well, if

1083
01:03:28,739 --> 01:03:30,269
you've been listening to the
show, you know that John and I

1084
01:03:30,269 --> 01:03:35,099
are a fan of Confessions of an
economic hitman, the book, John

1085
01:03:35,099 --> 01:03:40,079
Perkins, the author of that, who
spells out how this works. And I

1086
01:03:40,109 --> 01:03:42,419
was looking through some
articles today. And I saw that

1087
01:03:42,449 --> 01:03:46,259
Bechtel. That's the company that
John Perkins worked for. Was all

1088
01:03:46,259 --> 01:03:46,829
over Actually,

1089
01:03:46,830 --> 01:03:48,960
no, he worked for a small
consulting firm. It wasn't

1090
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,110
Bechdel he worked with
definitely later he worked for

1091
01:03:52,110 --> 01:03:55,620
Bechtel. I don't know maybe I
don't remember that. Well, he

1092
01:03:55,620 --> 01:03:56,160
references

1093
01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:01,530
back to many times in the book.
And so I read that Bechtel is in

1094
01:04:01,530 --> 01:04:04,650
there setting up huge contracts
are basically kind of like a go

1095
01:04:04,650 --> 01:04:09,720
between team and the way John
Perkins explains it is. So

1096
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:13,140
first, you know, the Economic
Hitman GO IN they, you know,

1097
01:04:13,140 --> 01:04:18,090
they find they, they find out
who, who they need to bribe and

1098
01:04:18,090 --> 01:04:20,550
they give them hundreds of
millions of dollars, and they

1099
01:04:20,550 --> 01:04:23,730
sign off, they basically sign
their their countries away. And

1100
01:04:23,730 --> 01:04:29,130
then those contracts go to
mainly US companies. And if they

1101
01:04:29,130 --> 01:04:32,790
default on loans and the IMF and
then they take everything away,

1102
01:04:32,790 --> 01:04:36,720
I mean, it's a huge scam,
basically. And what the guy

1103
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,180
specifically says is that when
that doesn't work, then they

1104
01:04:39,180 --> 01:04:43,260
send in the jackals, the jackals
being, you know, Black Ops, CIA

1105
01:04:43,260 --> 01:04:46,860
type stuff, troublemakers
troublemakers to stir shit up

1106
01:04:46,860 --> 01:04:49,920
and to throw people from power.
And when I look at what's going

1107
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:55,560
on now, where it's exactly the
reverse of the 90s where the

1108
01:04:56,730 --> 01:05:00,000
thing of I'm saying this right,
the Tutsis were getting there.

1109
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,490
asked kicked by the No, the
Tutsis were kicking or getting

1110
01:05:02,490 --> 01:05:03,840
their ass kicked by the huzzaz

1111
01:05:04,710 --> 01:05:06,090
Hutus and Tutsis. I

1112
01:05:06,090 --> 01:05:10,590
like saying Hutus and Tutsis is
easier to remember. The H's and

1113
01:05:10,590 --> 01:05:16,110
T's, now the T's are kicking the
H's ass. And it feels like

1114
01:05:16,110 --> 01:05:18,990
jackals all over this thing,
John, and it feels like this

1115
01:05:18,990 --> 01:05:20,820
time China's involved as well.

1116
01:05:21,630 --> 01:05:26,250
Well, I think China is our
competitor in this deal. And I

1117
01:05:26,250 --> 01:05:29,340
think the problem we're having
is that China is like, you know,

1118
01:05:29,340 --> 01:05:31,590
they're doing a bunch of stuff
we can do. I don't know, maybe

1119
01:05:31,590 --> 01:05:33,780
we're partnering with them. I
mean, it's always possible that

1120
01:05:33,780 --> 01:05:37,140
behind the scenes, or you're
trying to this could

1121
01:05:37,140 --> 01:05:40,830
be the front panel course. Now,
you know, this could be where

1122
01:05:40,830 --> 01:05:43,680
the front of the war between the
US and China takes place.

1123
01:05:44,820 --> 01:05:48,090
I, I'm thinking more it's more
likely that there's some sort of

1124
01:05:48,090 --> 01:05:51,720
an agreement in the back room.
That let's because one of the

1125
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,930
things we could never do in
Africa, in particular, was

1126
01:05:54,930 --> 01:05:58,800
support these creeps who hated
us anyway. And you know, Ben

1127
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:02,130
pull the economic hitman stunt
that we could easily do in South

1128
01:06:02,130 --> 01:06:02,880
America.

1129
01:06:03,180 --> 01:06:05,040
Well, we tried, but we always
seem to fail.

1130
01:06:05,519 --> 01:06:08,219
Yeah, we always screw it, it
never works. We can't do the

1131
01:06:08,219 --> 01:06:12,479
model we for Africa is unknown
to us. Because the Chinese have

1132
01:06:12,479 --> 01:06:16,289
an interesting model. And which,
of course, I elucidated before.

1133
01:06:16,289 --> 01:06:18,329
Now, you know, just to bring it
up, again, they have need to

1134
01:06:18,329 --> 01:06:22,919
basically scam these people. And
this was introduced to me by a

1135
01:06:22,919 --> 01:06:26,879
German entrepreneur some years
earlier, who it's started to see

1136
01:06:26,879 --> 01:06:31,739
it back. Right. This was a while
back, he said, and he outlined

1137
01:06:31,739 --> 01:06:37,529
exactly what the process is. And
then as soon as he did, it made

1138
01:06:37,529 --> 01:06:39,779
sense to me that every time I
looked into it, this is exactly

1139
01:06:39,779 --> 01:06:42,899
what was going on, which is the
Chinese find some government no

1140
01:06:42,899 --> 01:06:47,099
matter how horrible these people
are, do a deal to build their

1141
01:06:47,099 --> 01:06:50,819
infrastructure out. And in the
process as part of the deal to

1142
01:06:50,819 --> 01:06:53,789
build out the infrastructure
they are allowed to bring in

1143
01:06:53,789 --> 01:06:57,629
duty free anything they want,
and their own workers. And so

1144
01:06:57,629 --> 01:07:01,949
they flood the place with with
with a bunch of supposin workers

1145
01:07:01,949 --> 01:07:05,129
who set up little communities
and towns and stores. And then

1146
01:07:05,129 --> 01:07:08,669
they take all these all this
duty free goods, which nothing

1147
01:07:08,669 --> 01:07:11,699
can compete with this is where
the German guy was irked because

1148
01:07:11,699 --> 01:07:16,019
you can't compete with duty free
when you're paying 50% for the

1149
01:07:16,019 --> 01:07:18,419
same thing, and they bring in a
lot of the stuffs inferior, they

1150
01:07:18,419 --> 01:07:21,209
bring all this crap in. And then
they start flooding the market

1151
01:07:21,209 --> 01:07:25,109
with products that are duty
Dennis cheap, as part of this

1152
01:07:25,229 --> 01:07:28,949
process to build out their
infrastructure, build a dam, do

1153
01:07:28,949 --> 01:07:33,029
this and do that. But they never
complete the product project to

1154
01:07:33,029 --> 01:07:36,719
us. And let this this situation
go on forever, where the Chinese

1155
01:07:36,719 --> 01:07:40,439
start importing just tonnes and
tonnes of stuff. People in the

1156
01:07:40,439 --> 01:07:42,929
end up taking over the country
for all practical purposes, at

1157
01:07:42,929 --> 01:07:49,109
least economically. And it's
something we don't have the it's

1158
01:07:49,109 --> 01:07:50,159
just not that we would do

1159
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:53,700
my crazy. But is that not
exactly what's taking place with

1160
01:07:54,510 --> 01:07:57,750
Europe and the United States?
Aren't the Chinese doing exactly

1161
01:07:57,750 --> 01:08:00,690
that? Aren't they bringing stuff
in concert constantly? Maybe

1162
01:08:00,690 --> 01:08:03,930
they're taking us over? Very
quietly, economically in the

1163
01:08:03,930 --> 01:08:06,660
background just by importing all
this stuff. I mean, they've got

1164
01:08:06,660 --> 01:08:12,300
all kinds of new. They've
negotiated I'm sure with with

1165
01:08:12,300 --> 01:08:14,430
all these sovereign wealth
funds, I'm sure they've

1166
01:08:14,430 --> 01:08:18,240
negotiated many of the import
contracts. Maybe that's maybe

1167
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:19,800
that's their whole modus
operandi.

1168
01:08:19,829 --> 01:08:24,779
Well, the problem with doing
that to us, first of all, is the

1169
01:08:24,869 --> 01:08:27,869
reader is not they're not doing
it as a cheat. In other words,

1170
01:08:27,869 --> 01:08:30,989
slipping in some crazy idea so
they can get the stuff in duty.

1171
01:08:30,989 --> 01:08:34,289
For me it is already duty free.
And and and the other thing is

1172
01:08:34,289 --> 01:08:39,179
most of this what we're paying
them with is not it's not

1173
01:08:39,179 --> 01:08:42,659
minerals is not, you know, I
mean, I think the Canadians ship

1174
01:08:42,659 --> 01:08:45,599
them a lot of logs, but we don't
really ship them anything that's

1175
01:08:45,599 --> 01:08:48,479
anything other than essentially
debt that they owe.

1176
01:08:48,779 --> 01:08:51,479
You take some take some of our
credit cards,

1177
01:08:51,659 --> 01:08:54,449
take some of our debt out. Oh,
by the way, can we borrow more

1178
01:08:54,449 --> 01:08:58,619
money from you? So I'm wondering
who's scamming who in this deal?

1179
01:09:00,060 --> 01:09:03,330
Well, it takes two to tango, I
guess.

1180
01:09:04,829 --> 01:09:07,289
Well, it all shakes out in the
end. And at some point, it's an

1181
01:09:07,289 --> 01:09:09,959
unstable situation. And of
course, my thinking is that

1182
01:09:09,959 --> 01:09:12,449
we're having heading for an
economic crisis, but not until

1183
01:09:12,449 --> 01:09:14,609
we have a nice bull market

1184
01:09:17,100 --> 01:09:18,300
right after the election.

1185
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:24,960
That's my guess. Yeah. So
anyway, I bought a I don't want

1186
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:29,340
to get into the stock market
stuff. But I did buy a in

1187
01:09:29,340 --> 01:09:31,050
Exchange Traded note.

1188
01:09:32,850 --> 01:09:35,760
And so is that for the upside or
the downside?

1189
01:09:36,030 --> 01:09:39,900
It's a downside as double short,
actually. And it is it is an

1190
01:09:39,900 --> 01:09:43,080
exchange traded note, which is
one of these crazy financial

1191
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:46,440
vehicles. And this one was
created by the Deutsche Bank in

1192
01:09:46,440 --> 01:09:49,200
Germany. And if anyone wants to
know what it is, you can look it

1193
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:52,650
up as a DI T Oh, it's an oil
short for goods a commodity

1194
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:56,700
purchase, but it's not as a
short but it's done as Exchange

1195
01:09:56,700 --> 01:10:00,780
Traded notes. So just traded
openly on the market. But it's,

1196
01:10:01,110 --> 01:10:06,990
but it's it's structured like a
credit default swap is, in other

1197
01:10:06,990 --> 01:10:09,960
words is one of these crazy
things that it doesn't you know,

1198
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:14,820
it's like one of these
investment concepts, right? So

1199
01:10:14,820 --> 01:10:19,470
yeah, so. So apparently, when
you buy what I would recommend,

1200
01:10:19,470 --> 01:10:22,200
we'll just somehow get one and
buy it and sell it, I don't

1201
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:25,200
care, but you want to get it
long enough. So they have to

1202
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:31,140
send you the document, which
explains it. So it came in the

1203
01:10:31,140 --> 01:10:33,870
mail the other day. And I've
been itching to get a hold of

1204
01:10:33,870 --> 01:10:36,210
one of these things, because I
know they exchange all these

1205
01:10:36,210 --> 01:10:39,540
crazy ideas that we've been
these these financial vehicles

1206
01:10:39,540 --> 01:10:41,790
or whatever they want to call
them. I've always wanted to get

1207
01:10:41,790 --> 01:10:45,780
a hold of one of the documents
that explains how it works.

1208
01:10:45,780 --> 01:10:49,830
So what's the what's the value
of one one of these et NS

1209
01:10:51,149 --> 01:10:55,289
that Etn? Well, that's it's kind
of explained there is none, in

1210
01:10:55,289 --> 01:10:57,659
fact, is the whole thing is
something like a house of cards.

1211
01:10:57,659 --> 01:10:59,759
So you have to get in and you
don't want to hold them forever.

1212
01:10:59,849 --> 01:11:03,509
Although they expire. This one
expires in 2036. But they you

1213
01:11:03,509 --> 01:11:06,389
can trade it on the stock
exchange. But anyway, so I got

1214
01:11:06,389 --> 01:11:09,119
the document finally showed up.
Holy mackerel,

1215
01:11:09,150 --> 01:11:13,080
so is this you got? This is like
you're, you're kind of betting

1216
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:15,900
against the house where you say,
Okay, I'm gonna put 5000 into

1217
01:11:15,900 --> 01:11:19,680
this Etn and you have a mark
point where you bought in and

1218
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:22,800
then depending on what it does,
you you you win, or you lose?

1219
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:26,880
Yeah, pretty much. Okay. And so
tell me about the document.

1220
01:11:27,510 --> 01:11:33,150
The document is the size of the
Manhattan phone book. It's cost

1221
01:11:33,150 --> 01:11:37,710
like 10 bucks to ship me this
thing. It's huge. And I mean,

1222
01:11:38,220 --> 01:11:42,030
now I realised that no matter
what happens with this Etn this

1223
01:11:42,030 --> 01:11:45,180
document is got to be the
greatest cocktail party

1224
01:11:45,180 --> 01:11:49,440
conversation piece ever. Because
I've gotten documents from

1225
01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:52,380
companies you know, doing IPOs
and you've seen these things

1226
01:11:52,380 --> 01:11:52,590
does

1227
01:11:52,590 --> 01:11:54,930
it really thin paper and really
small print?

1228
01:11:55,410 --> 01:11:58,800
No, it was small print was not
necessarily thin paper, but it's

1229
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:02,850
just regular, you know, LaserJet
for paper, but the thing is so

1230
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:07,020
big and it's a convoluted mess.
No, you wouldn't it would take

1231
01:12:07,020 --> 01:12:11,790
you a year or two to read it be
and if you could and it's one

1232
01:12:11,790 --> 01:12:14,610
thing after another and how the
bank does this and that and

1233
01:12:15,480 --> 01:12:19,290
anyway it's worth the price of
admission just to get this this

1234
01:12:19,290 --> 01:12:23,610
big piece of paperwork in the
mail your holy crap it and no is

1235
01:12:23,610 --> 01:12:27,450
this complicated? But that's
what a lot of these you know,

1236
01:12:27,450 --> 01:12:31,680
these crazy investments, you
know, creations are they're just

1237
01:12:34,050 --> 01:12:34,950
I was watching.

1238
01:12:35,550 --> 01:12:38,400
I'm sorry. It's like these guys
say nobody can understand them

1239
01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:39,390
was watching

1240
01:12:39,390 --> 01:12:44,820
CNBC. Fridays, they were
wrapping up. Erin Burnett, God,

1241
01:12:44,820 --> 01:12:50,250
I'm in love with her. I love her
so much. She She's everybody's

1242
01:12:50,250 --> 01:12:53,190
favourite. Oh, my God, I could
live with her. I would worship?

1243
01:12:54,090 --> 01:12:58,620
If I could. I wouldn't even have
to have sex. Just just to lay

1244
01:12:58,620 --> 01:12:59,250
next to her.

1245
01:12:59,399 --> 01:13:02,249
Yeah, and I'm sure you wouldn't
get any from her either.

1246
01:13:03,330 --> 01:13:08,130
Anyway, so Bernanke was on and
Bernanke around two o'clock

1247
01:13:08,130 --> 01:13:11,820
Friday afternoon, Eastern Time,
he, he starts doing this live

1248
01:13:11,820 --> 01:13:14,280
speech. And they already have
the speech. So to certain point

1249
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,590
when it gets kind of boring or
long, or whatever, you know,

1250
01:13:16,590 --> 01:13:18,780
they just tune out. And then
they start talking about what he

1251
01:13:18,780 --> 01:13:21,180
hasn't even talked about,
because they've been sent the

1252
01:13:21,180 --> 01:13:26,250
speech ahead of time. And, and
essentially, what the message

1253
01:13:26,250 --> 01:13:37,800
was that they're that they can't
find a way to put into place. A

1254
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:42,780
US government backed government
sponsored enterprise. So the

1255
01:13:42,780 --> 01:13:46,800
saying is, you know, the, the,
the the pyramid of mortgages

1256
01:13:47,820 --> 01:13:50,700
that exists today, we're kind of
winding up with the Fannie Mae,

1257
01:13:50,700 --> 01:13:55,950
Freddie Mac, that that cannot
exist without explicit backing

1258
01:13:55,950 --> 01:13:59,280
from the government. And they're
talking about this, this way of

1259
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:07,050
doing it called covered bonds.
Have you heard of this?

1260
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:09,660
No, but I'm sure it will.

1261
01:14:09,930 --> 01:14:12,570
Yeah. So essentially, you know,
there's, there's bonds that the

1262
01:14:12,570 --> 01:14:16,080
US government guarantees. And so
that would be the vehicle. I

1263
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:19,260
mean, it's really, it's quite
interesting to see because that

1264
01:14:19,260 --> 01:14:23,640
is one of the big changes that
they're making now, into this

1265
01:14:23,670 --> 01:14:30,360
into the new global economic
order. As Sarkozy and Gordon

1266
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:34,560
Brown are calling it and
miracle. So Andrew Merkle,

1267
01:14:35,340 --> 01:14:41,220
Andrew Hora was wrote in his
online news thing or blog, the

1268
01:14:41,220 --> 01:14:45,450
disciplined investor. He ran a
blog at two which is that

1269
01:14:45,450 --> 01:14:48,810
apparently $60 billion dollars
of that bailout are going to

1270
01:14:48,810 --> 01:14:51,630
salaries and bonuses for
executives. I

1271
01:14:51,630 --> 01:14:56,160
heard this guy's getting $500
million. Absolutely. Absolutely.

1272
01:14:56,160 --> 01:15:01,350
And the New York Times had a
great piece Where the reporter

1273
01:15:01,350 --> 01:15:06,300
called into an employee
conference call. So somehow he

1274
01:15:06,300 --> 01:15:09,840
got that, and this is what a
huge lack of security these

1275
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:12,690
things are. And oh, yeah, the
stuff that's discussed on

1276
01:15:12,690 --> 01:15:15,480
conference calls is just
outrageous. I mean, and we're

1277
01:15:15,480 --> 01:15:21,570
probably really bad at it at NI
VO. So he called in and, you

1278
01:15:21,570 --> 01:15:23,910
know, the question was asked,
What are we going to do with the

1279
01:15:23,910 --> 01:15:26,550
money? Well, we were going to
make acquisitions. We're going

1280
01:15:26,550 --> 01:15:29,310
to, you know, hold on to it for
better times. But you know,

1281
01:15:29,310 --> 01:15:32,250
basically, no, we're not giving
this to any smaller banks. And

1282
01:15:32,340 --> 01:15:34,830
this is not moving down the
line, we're keeping it. So we

1283
01:15:34,830 --> 01:15:37,050
can do business and
acquisitions. acquisitions, of

1284
01:15:37,050 --> 01:15:43,290
course, mean, fees and bonuses.
Right. But what's very

1285
01:15:44,220 --> 01:15:46,470
sorry, I'm just say it's a
scandal.

1286
01:15:46,979 --> 01:15:50,429
What was really interesting is
that Barclays Bank here in the

1287
01:15:50,429 --> 01:15:57,779
UK, which I also bank with, they
went out and they raised 7

1288
01:15:57,779 --> 01:16:02,099
billion pounds, like 12 $12
billion from the Saudis from the

1289
01:16:02,099 --> 01:16:05,999
Middle East, because they didn't
want to take the government

1290
01:16:05,999 --> 01:16:08,789
money. They refused it. And
everyone's like, really tripping

1291
01:16:08,789 --> 01:16:13,469
out over this. And so they gave
it like, a really sweetheart

1292
01:16:13,469 --> 01:16:17,909
deal to some Middle Eastern
sovereign wealth funds. And so

1293
01:16:17,909 --> 01:16:19,799
they're still independent.
They're not they don't belong to

1294
01:16:19,799 --> 01:16:22,589
the government, which is a very
interesting move.

1295
01:16:23,970 --> 01:16:26,040
Yeah, well, they'll probably
still be in business someday.

1296
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:29,220
Exactly. And I was quite happy
to see that.

1297
01:16:30,569 --> 01:16:33,329
Well, I know that Wells Fargo
when they when the government

1298
01:16:33,329 --> 01:16:38,309
came calling they they said no,
we don't want your money. And

1299
01:16:38,309 --> 01:16:41,219
they said, No, you're taking the
money. And you're given us so

1300
01:16:41,219 --> 01:16:44,489
many preferred preferred stock
shares, even though it turns out

1301
01:16:44,489 --> 01:16:48,059
that it wasn't as good a deal as
Goldman Sachs got and they some

1302
01:16:48,059 --> 01:16:52,109
of the same offerings. In other
words, the taxpayers have to pay

1303
01:16:52,109 --> 01:16:55,379
the premium because of their
treasury secretaries and ex

1304
01:16:55,379 --> 01:16:59,069
Goldman Sachs guys looking after
his own people, you know, that

1305
01:16:59,069 --> 01:17:00,209
Oh, I'm sure it's always his

1306
01:17:00,210 --> 01:17:03,480
little assistant, the guy doling
out the money, Neil cash and

1307
01:17:03,480 --> 01:17:03,990
carry.

1308
01:17:05,220 --> 01:17:08,340
And so they didn't want it. But
the argument was interesting to

1309
01:17:08,340 --> 01:17:11,820
me was, well, every one of you
banks have to be in on this

1310
01:17:11,820 --> 01:17:16,920
because if, if some of you buy
in and some of you don't, then

1311
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:21,270
the public will know which banks
are insolvent. And, and sketchy.

1312
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:24,480
And we don't want anyone knowing
anything, which of course is

1313
01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:27,510
like kind of insulting to the
public is why is the public you

1314
01:17:27,510 --> 01:17:29,610
will let you may have a run on
the bank. Nobody has a run on

1315
01:17:29,610 --> 01:17:32,520
the bank. And we we don't
because we got the FDIC so your

1316
01:17:32,550 --> 01:17:36,780
money's insured. You always
gonna get it. But I think it'd

1317
01:17:36,780 --> 01:17:38,910
be nice to know which banks are
flaky,

1318
01:17:39,090 --> 01:17:41,820
of course, it's total
protectionism.

1319
01:17:43,500 --> 01:17:47,850
Anyway, what else gets in this
depressing topic?

1320
01:17:47,910 --> 01:17:52,290
So just a quick swing back to to
the Congo. The one thing that's

1321
01:17:52,290 --> 01:17:56,190
really irking me is that
regardless of which news channel

1322
01:17:56,190 --> 01:17:59,640
I'm watching and you know, I, I
would expect a lot better from

1323
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:02,940
the BBC. Here's what I'm really
outraged for get Jonathan Rossen

1324
01:18:03,480 --> 01:18:07,890
and the other fellow I'm really
outraged that every single

1325
01:18:07,890 --> 01:18:11,340
report you know, starts by
saying well, it's really bad in

1326
01:18:11,340 --> 01:18:14,940
the Congo. And here's so and so
who has details on why this is

1327
01:18:14,940 --> 01:18:19,410
taking place? And then you see
five minutes of five horrible

1328
01:18:19,410 --> 01:18:23,100
pictures of children you know,
there's no food they're on the

1329
01:18:23,100 --> 01:18:26,820
run, they're gonna go die in the
bushes in the woods, it's it's

1330
01:18:26,820 --> 01:18:30,630
horrible, hundreds of 1000s they
don't actually give you any

1331
01:18:30,630 --> 01:18:34,320
information about why this is
happening. None of them not a

1332
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:37,980
single story not anywhere, can I
actually get some information

1333
01:18:38,220 --> 01:18:43,500
about what is taking place?
Because they don't actually know

1334
01:18:43,500 --> 01:18:49,290
is my belief and I really think
that this has China and US

1335
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:55,410
written all over it and be and
we raised about that that's what

1336
01:18:55,410 --> 01:18:56,640
we should be outraged about.

1337
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:01,500
Well, you know, I bet you if you
if you read it if you go into

1338
01:19:01,500 --> 01:19:03,930
and I hate to say that you have
to do this nowadays to get

1339
01:19:03,930 --> 01:19:08,910
information. I believe that if
you go into the African blogs or

1340
01:19:08,910 --> 01:19:11,250
you go to some of this more
specialised information coming

1341
01:19:11,250 --> 01:19:15,090
from you know, other types of
reporters, you're gonna find the

1342
01:19:15,090 --> 01:19:18,630
facts. Totally a promise you're
gonna get a lot of it's going to

1343
01:19:18,630 --> 01:19:21,000
be slanted, but I think at least
you can get closer to it.

1344
01:19:21,029 --> 01:19:24,899
But what obviously I'm able to
find some information but what

1345
01:19:24,899 --> 01:19:27,899
I'm talking about is that you
know that they'll go into depth

1346
01:19:27,899 --> 01:19:32,039
about all kinds of bullshit, but
you know, this seems to be a

1347
01:19:32,039 --> 01:19:34,589
really important one it you
know, it's the top of the news,

1348
01:19:34,589 --> 01:19:36,509
but really, it's only the top of
the news because there's

1349
01:19:36,569 --> 01:19:40,199
frightened looking people
falling over each other and

1350
01:19:40,199 --> 01:19:44,369
children crying and being
trampled upon. It's porn. It's

1351
01:19:44,369 --> 01:19:47,159
news porn. They're not actually
giving you any information or

1352
01:19:47,159 --> 01:19:53,099
anything we can, we can do to
change it. And where's Bano? Fix

1353
01:19:53,099 --> 01:19:57,059
it Bano and Bob. Come on, guys,
get out here. We need some help.

1354
01:19:58,949 --> 01:20:02,339
We gotta call Follow up Ted
leonsis. Let's do live live

1355
01:20:02,339 --> 01:20:02,909
nine.

1356
01:20:06,569 --> 01:20:08,069
Now that's the cynic in you

1357
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:15,060
pisses me off. Remember, we are
the world. Oh, the whole USA for

1358
01:20:15,060 --> 01:20:19,920
Africa. That was 25 years ago,
John 25 years ago. Look at turn

1359
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:23,460
on the television. What have we
done? What happened? Was the

1360
01:20:23,460 --> 01:20:24,900
same things bullshit.

1361
01:20:25,409 --> 01:20:28,019
And the same thing with hands
across America. Do you remember

1362
01:20:28,019 --> 01:20:28,769
that one? Oh,

1363
01:20:28,770 --> 01:20:32,580
my God. Oh, you got to tell our
listeners a lot of people don't

1364
01:20:32,580 --> 01:20:34,500
know about that. It was it was
too long ago.

1365
01:20:35,309 --> 01:20:38,519
Hands Across America. There was
a this was about I have to get

1366
01:20:38,519 --> 01:20:41,339
the date. And you might want to
look it up on Wikipedia, Utah.

1367
01:20:42,149 --> 01:20:44,489
Yeah, give me the date. But
anyway, so I actually met one of

1368
01:20:44,489 --> 01:20:47,309
the guys who was the original
designer of the whole process.

1369
01:20:47,309 --> 01:20:50,789
And the idea was we're going to
have, we had too much poverty in

1370
01:20:50,789 --> 01:20:53,519
the United States, and we're
going to pull together as a

1371
01:20:53,519 --> 01:20:58,229
nation. And we're going to
eliminate poverty and

1372
01:20:58,229 --> 01:21:00,779
homelessness. And I think
homelessness was maybe when the

1373
01:21:00,779 --> 01:21:03,569
word first started become
popular, was during the hands

1374
01:21:03,569 --> 01:21:06,329
across America thing. So they
decided they're going to have to

1375
01:21:06,359 --> 01:21:10,499
do have to make a big event out
of people starting on the West

1376
01:21:10,499 --> 01:21:14,999
Coast, holding hands, one after
another after another into a

1377
01:21:15,029 --> 01:21:18,299
long stream across the entire
country, like the Great Wall of

1378
01:21:18,299 --> 01:21:21,989
China, from one end of the
country to the other all holding

1379
01:21:21,989 --> 01:21:25,109
hands, and there was like little
buttons and stickers and pins

1380
01:21:25,109 --> 01:21:30,509
that had everything but the
armband, and it was like little

1381
01:21:30,509 --> 01:21:33,809
people holding hands. It's very
collectible now. And it was

1382
01:21:33,809 --> 01:21:36,389
called Hands Across America and
it was going to be the beginning

1383
01:21:36,389 --> 01:21:40,679
of the end for homelessness. And
it was just another big bunch of

1384
01:21:40,679 --> 01:21:41,639
bullshit.

1385
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:48,270
May May 25 1986. Yeah, there you
go. 7 million people held hands

1386
01:21:48,270 --> 01:21:51,390
in a human chain for 15 minutes
along a path across the

1387
01:21:51,390 --> 01:21:55,470
continental United United States
participants paid $10 to reserve

1388
01:21:55,470 --> 01:21:58,440
their place in line. The
proceeds were donated to local

1389
01:21:58,440 --> 01:22:01,410
charities to fight hunger and
homelessness, and help those in

1390
01:22:01,410 --> 01:22:07,080
poverty. I mean, it would have
been it would have been cool. If

1391
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:13,260
you could hook up a big ass
battery to one hand. Do you

1392
01:22:13,260 --> 01:22:16,740
think it would go through all
the tell those people? Joke? The

1393
01:22:16,740 --> 01:22:21,000
guy Kazem dude, both Tehsil

1394
01:22:21,540 --> 01:22:24,690
Well, the problem was is when
all is said and done, they

1395
01:22:24,690 --> 01:22:25,350
weren't the gaps

1396
01:22:25,380 --> 01:22:28,050
all over the apps. They never
made it that that was like it

1397
01:22:28,050 --> 01:22:30,510
was a disappointment because we
didn't pull it off. You know, we

1398
01:22:30,510 --> 01:22:31,770
failed fail.

1399
01:22:32,790 --> 01:22:34,620
Well, they didn't fail making a
lot of money.

1400
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:38,040
That's a big meme. Now these
days fail. Have you noticed

1401
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:40,740
that? Yeah, it's a me no. Yeah,
no, yeah. It's you see

1402
01:22:40,740 --> 01:22:44,820
photoshopped pictures of like
Bernanke and Paulson in in

1403
01:22:44,820 --> 01:22:48,240
Congress. And then behind them?
A guy holding up a sign fail?

1404
01:22:49,140 --> 01:22:52,800
Really? Yeah, it's I mean, that
to me, that's a good one. It's

1405
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:53,490
fun. Well, I

1406
01:22:53,490 --> 01:22:54,870
have to start using it then.
Yes,

1407
01:22:54,899 --> 01:22:57,899
let's we should use it here on
this very show. We need to nail

1408
01:22:59,939 --> 01:23:02,399
well, sometimes this whole show
was fail.

1409
01:23:03,300 --> 01:23:06,210
Actually, we I don't think we
really had a totally dog.

1410
01:23:06,569 --> 01:23:10,169
Dog Show. No, no, we've been
pretty like, well, it really

1411
01:23:10,169 --> 01:23:12,479
depends, though. And gosh, it's
so important for me to be

1412
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:13,949
somewhere else away from you.

1413
01:23:14,489 --> 01:23:17,729
Well did not for no other reason
that your connection is better.

1414
01:23:19,050 --> 01:23:23,070
I'm convinced that's my router.
I gotta I gotta fix that. But I

1415
01:23:23,070 --> 01:23:25,020
get a new router. But I don't
know if I'm gonna be in San

1416
01:23:25,020 --> 01:23:26,850
Francisco before the end of the
year. I'm going to be in New

1417
01:23:26,850 --> 01:23:30,510
York. Got to do some sales,
sales stuff hitting the road.

1418
01:23:32,130 --> 01:23:33,840
Well, New York's a short trip
for you.

1419
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:36,929
It's a good trip. Yeah. Right
now, there's only four hours

1420
01:23:36,929 --> 01:23:39,749
time difference between London
and New York, which is

1421
01:23:39,780 --> 01:23:42,120
Yeah, no, if I lived in New
York, I'd probably be going back

1422
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:44,640
and forth to London or Paris
constantly. Because it seems

1423
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:47,580
like a good weekend thing to do.
It's inconvenient from here

1424
01:23:47,580 --> 01:23:50,430
because it adds another four or
five hours and just forget it.

1425
01:23:50,550 --> 01:23:52,740
Ergo having my own aircraft.

1426
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,520
Right. Well for you. I mean,
going to Paris is like you know,

1427
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:59,460
or, you know, Holland has got
just an hour or so for you.

1428
01:23:59,460 --> 01:24:00,090
Right? How long does it

1429
01:24:00,089 --> 01:24:06,659
take? Holland Rotterdam about an
hour? Paris would be about an

1430
01:24:07,019 --> 01:24:08,249
hour 45

1431
01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:13,920
Yeah. Do they like give you
landed in Paris? Yes. Do you go

1432
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:15,990
to the wine countries like
Bordeaux? It'd be a nice little

1433
01:24:15,990 --> 01:24:16,650
place to fly.

1434
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:18,630
No, I've not done that yet.

1435
01:24:18,630 --> 01:24:20,430
There's a that's a little
further

1436
01:24:20,460 --> 01:24:24,090
where where most pilots from the
UK go if you just want to go to

1437
01:24:24,090 --> 01:24:27,090
France is lit toolkit.

1438
01:24:28,620 --> 01:24:29,370
Where's that?

1439
01:24:30,420 --> 01:24:31,800
That's a coastal

1440
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:35,909
to Normandy or something like
that.

1441
01:24:35,910 --> 01:24:38,010
And now confused. I don't know
if that's what it's called. I

1442
01:24:38,010 --> 01:24:42,060
don't think it's the 2k Maybe it
is the 2k that's how they

1443
01:24:42,060 --> 01:24:43,410
pronounce it here. The 2k.

1444
01:24:43,830 --> 01:24:46,650
I think the place to go if I
were you or if I was visiting

1445
01:24:46,650 --> 01:24:49,200
and you wanted to go somewhere.
I think champagne.

1446
01:24:50,370 --> 01:24:53,400
Well, the good thing is there's
airfields everywhere. I mean,

1447
01:24:53,460 --> 01:24:56,580
and you can you can almost just
say, Okay, I want to land

1448
01:24:56,580 --> 01:24:58,290
somewhere over there and there's
going to be an airstrip.

1449
01:24:59,550 --> 01:25:02,040
Well, I'm sure is a bunch of air
strips into the champagne area

1450
01:25:02,460 --> 01:25:05,190
just random just based on a

1451
01:25:05,220 --> 01:25:08,070
grass strips you know just the
kind of stuff you can pop in and

1452
01:25:08,070 --> 01:25:11,400
out of and you pay the guy or
whatever you know basically

1453
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:12,090
donation

1454
01:25:15,509 --> 01:25:18,419
people doing that maybe you're
flying over France and there's

1455
01:25:18,419 --> 01:25:22,049
little airstrip you land and
give the guy some money and you

1456
01:25:22,049 --> 01:25:24,419
need leisure. Let's just sit
there how do you get what do you

1457
01:25:24,419 --> 01:25:27,119
need it we do have a car and
there's no car rental place.

1458
01:25:28,140 --> 01:25:31,170
John, this is this is aviation
man. I mean, this is this is the

1459
01:25:31,170 --> 01:25:33,810
hardcore stuff. Now you can
usually you'd like rent a car in

1460
01:25:33,810 --> 01:25:35,670
the in the States, you can do
this all over the place. You

1461
01:25:35,670 --> 01:25:39,810
know, same in many of these
smaller fields you know for in

1462
01:25:39,810 --> 01:25:42,780
the States, you can be five
bucks. You can rent a car and

1463
01:25:42,780 --> 01:25:44,070
it's basically just someone's
car

1464
01:25:50,310 --> 01:25:53,760
it's just a car, you know that
that's how it works. Sometimes

1465
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:58,860
it's like a real proper budget,
but usually it's or hurts. But

1466
01:25:58,860 --> 01:26:01,260
yeah, usually it's just a car,
you know, the end they'll take

1467
01:26:01,260 --> 01:26:06,390
they have local restaurants and
you know, they have hookups. If

1468
01:26:06,390 --> 01:26:08,790
you go to the Isle of Wight, you
know when you're arriving you

1469
01:26:08,790 --> 01:26:14,100
can say hey, we're going to the
the lobster pub. Okay, we'll

1470
01:26:14,100 --> 01:26:18,450
have a cab ready for you. You
land cab takes you up there.

1471
01:26:18,450 --> 01:26:21,480
Doom. Yeah, you have some lunch.
It's nice. Like we got to do

1472
01:26:21,480 --> 01:26:24,780
that when you're over here.
Yeah, afternoon. It sounds like

1473
01:26:24,780 --> 01:26:26,460
you have to cook on my Agha.

1474
01:26:27,630 --> 01:26:29,760
So I'm thinking about this. I
don't want to bring in a little

1475
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,130
paranoia in this. But I was
thinking about this August

1476
01:26:32,130 --> 01:26:36,660
thing. I'm thinking grindy I
want you to run this past your

1477
01:26:36,660 --> 01:26:40,020
wife. Okay? Because she's, she
seems to be more in agreement

1478
01:26:40,020 --> 01:26:44,250
with my views, and often when
they're when I consider

1479
01:26:44,250 --> 01:26:45,480
something to be a setup.

1480
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:50,460
Well, that's because you guys
are from World War Two.

1481
01:26:52,260 --> 01:26:57,900
So anyway, the I'm thinking,
well, maybe they gotta keep an

1482
01:26:57,900 --> 01:27:01,050
eye on Adam. So what are we
gonna do? He's gonna move into

1483
01:27:01,050 --> 01:27:03,960
this new place. Well, how are we
going to do this? Well, I'll

1484
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:06,270
tell you what, why don't we
listen to what he really you

1485
01:27:06,270 --> 01:27:09,390
know, some of his tastes, and
let's get a place and let's wire

1486
01:27:09,390 --> 01:27:12,870
it up with microphones. And how
we're going to make him buy this

1487
01:27:12,870 --> 01:27:18,420
place. I know exactly how to do
it. Let's put an AGA in it and

1488
01:27:18,420 --> 01:27:21,840
I'll tell you this idiots gonna
buy the place and he'll be in

1489
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:24,780
there we'll have the whole place
wired and we can listen to his

1490
01:27:24,780 --> 01:27:32,160
conversations 24/7 Just in case
and bingo. I originally thought

1491
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:36,750
it this has been not that I'm
thinking in these terms normally

1492
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:40,950
is because what a coincidence
that out of

1493
01:27:40,949 --> 01:27:46,079
the blue a house of yours that
my wife house appears she's in

1494
01:27:46,079 --> 01:27:49,739
on it. She's a she's a shill.
She's part of this black flag

1495
01:27:49,739 --> 01:27:50,429
operation

1496
01:27:51,870 --> 01:27:55,320
out of the blue just as you're
looking for a place there's a

1497
01:27:55,320 --> 01:28:00,960
another house with the stove you
love which are rare by the way

1498
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:03,210
this is not for people who want
to know about this stuff. I've

1499
01:28:03,210 --> 01:28:06,120
never heard of anybody even
owning one. Now we have two of

1500
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:15,030
them. It shows up and you like
being reeled in our house. So

1501
01:28:15,030 --> 01:28:18,540
here's what I here's my
thinking, Okay, you gotta get a

1502
01:28:18,540 --> 01:28:21,330
guy Oh, look, there could be
hard wires, which is harder to

1503
01:28:21,330 --> 01:28:24,300
deal with in than bugs that are
you know, sending out

1504
01:28:24,300 --> 01:28:30,300
transmissions you have to bring
an expert, a bug expert, to go

1505
01:28:30,300 --> 01:28:32,910
through your house and make sure
that places and wired for sound.

1506
01:28:33,660 --> 01:28:36,990
Now I think quite the opposite.
I need to find the main

1507
01:28:36,990 --> 01:28:40,020
transmission unit and then I
gotta jack that shit into the

1508
01:28:40,020 --> 01:28:44,910
net. So we can stream that for a
fee. I totally

1509
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:50,520
do. That's this is good. But
anyway, that was a thought that

1510
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:53,550
passed my mind. You know, it's
not like I'm you know, paranoid

1511
01:28:53,550 --> 01:28:57,180
as you are. But I'd run it past
your wife and she was she thinks

1512
01:28:57,210 --> 01:28:57,690
Okay,

1513
01:28:57,719 --> 01:29:01,889
I'll ask her. I think she'll she
may give it some thought. I

1514
01:29:01,889 --> 01:29:05,699
don't know. I don't know. She's
coming back in about an hour or

1515
01:29:05,699 --> 01:29:10,649
so. Man's outrageous audience
again last night, her first live

1516
01:29:10,649 --> 01:29:11,039
show.

1517
01:29:13,170 --> 01:29:15,180
Yeah, yeah. As like

1518
01:29:15,179 --> 01:29:17,309
35% market share is
unbelievable.

1519
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,610
But nothing probably has legs,
then she'll be making money for

1520
01:29:20,610 --> 01:29:21,720
a few years on that deal.

1521
01:29:21,989 --> 01:29:25,769
Yeah, well is that she starts
Hollins got talent in February.

1522
01:29:26,699 --> 01:29:29,969
So it's just she just bops from
one to the other. It's awesome.

1523
01:29:30,269 --> 01:29:31,709
As she saw multitalented

1524
01:29:34,020 --> 01:29:36,120
Well, you know, it's it sounds
like easy money.

1525
01:29:36,660 --> 01:29:39,810
But I keep telling her she's
she's buying me my next plane.

1526
01:29:40,890 --> 01:29:43,410
Yeah, you can get nice. What do
you think you're gonna get?

1527
01:29:44,340 --> 01:29:47,910
Well, but yet you're out you got
a twin engine in mind. Not

1528
01:29:47,910 --> 01:29:50,640
necessarily. There's a really
blast around and one of those

1529
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:51,600
things. Well,

1530
01:29:52,620 --> 01:29:57,510
yeah, I don't know. I mean, I
like the Piper meridian, which

1531
01:29:57,510 --> 01:30:02,400
is pressurised single engine,
Turbo prop which you know the

1532
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:05,070
you know the requirement is it
has to have steps in the back

1533
01:30:05,070 --> 01:30:08,100
that open up otherwise my wife
won't fly with me over the ocean

1534
01:30:09,180 --> 01:30:12,390
and so I don't want to get high
enough so that you know there's

1535
01:30:12,390 --> 01:30:16,050
no turbulence so that's when the
wind you pressurise but also,

1536
01:30:16,230 --> 01:30:19,560
what was the ceiling on that
thing? 22,000 feet.

1537
01:30:20,099 --> 01:30:22,769
Now you're getting tickets high
enough, but okay. Oh

1538
01:30:22,769 --> 01:30:23,519
yeah it is.

1539
01:30:23,549 --> 01:30:26,159
It's right in the middle of the
clouds at 22 isn't a

1540
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:31,350
whole 22,000 feet. No, you're
way above the clouds.

1541
01:30:31,620 --> 01:30:34,290
And I remember one time I was
flying across country on some

1542
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:37,530
one of the first 760 sevens in
the you know, they typically fly

1543
01:30:37,530 --> 01:30:41,970
around 36,000 feet, and they
were bumping the pilot says

1544
01:30:42,390 --> 01:30:45,540
it depends on where you are,
obviously a mountainous terrain

1545
01:30:45,570 --> 01:30:47,670
will give you different height
results.

1546
01:30:47,940 --> 01:30:51,330
And the pilot says we're gonna
go up to 42,000 feet because the

1547
01:30:51,330 --> 01:30:54,450
767 just shoots right up to
42,000 feet where there's no

1548
01:30:54,450 --> 01:30:57,390
turbulence and we shot up the
40s and it was just like smooth

1549
01:30:57,390 --> 01:31:00,960
as and I'm always thinking you
need to get to 42,000 feet to

1550
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:02,280
avoid all turbulence

1551
01:31:02,310 --> 01:31:05,610
so so you know those clouds
sometimes you see when you have

1552
01:31:05,610 --> 01:31:09,000
that turbulence of those, it's
really the columnist Nimbus

1553
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:11,040
cloud and it reaches up to
42,000

1554
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:14,130
feet, the Nimbus Yeah, the
Nimbus.

1555
01:31:15,180 --> 01:31:19,200
What's crazy is is you know, so
you see those at the bottom. So

1556
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:21,360
you and you're you're flying
around and a couple 1000 feet,

1557
01:31:21,630 --> 01:31:24,810
and if you were to fly into one
of those, you actually this has

1558
01:31:24,810 --> 01:31:28,260
happened before you can get
sucked up to 40,000 feet and

1559
01:31:28,260 --> 01:31:32,370
then blown down again. Being
Wow, oh, yeah. Nobody ever wants

1560
01:31:32,370 --> 01:31:35,370
to fly into one of those
regardless of how big the

1561
01:31:35,370 --> 01:31:35,970
aeroplane

1562
01:31:36,390 --> 01:31:38,910
Yeah, I've heard that that a
Nimbus is a cloud that you do

1563
01:31:38,940 --> 01:31:41,940
that you fly way around. I was
in Texas once flying out of

1564
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:48,690
Dallas, on a on a pilot, it was
a DMD 80 or something like that.

1565
01:31:48,690 --> 01:31:52,380
And a guy really liked. And he
went and he and he flew around,

1566
01:31:52,380 --> 01:31:54,870
it was a huge pile of these
Nimbus is there all over the

1567
01:31:54,870 --> 01:31:58,890
place. And so he was flying in
on banking heavy bags and going

1568
01:31:58,890 --> 01:32:01,470
around one going around the
other. It was actually one of

1569
01:32:01,470 --> 01:32:04,170
the most fun flights I've ever
been on for a commercial flight

1570
01:32:04,170 --> 01:32:07,800
because this guy was just, you
know, really taken it around.

1571
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:11,460
Yeah. And we, you know, I missed
every one of them. He just went

1572
01:32:11,460 --> 01:32:13,620
around. I mean, he just like
there was a little map, I guess

1573
01:32:13,620 --> 01:32:17,040
he had of how to get through the
mess, and never went through a

1574
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:18,570
cloud. He didn't want to hit
one. It's

1575
01:32:18,569 --> 01:32:22,949
called radar, John. Okay, the
little map work or weather

1576
01:32:22,949 --> 01:32:23,429
radar.

1577
01:32:24,510 --> 01:32:27,390
So, but anyway, yeah, he was
flying. It was actually quite

1578
01:32:27,390 --> 01:32:27,720
which, by

1579
01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:30,000
the way, a lot of people don't
understand that, you know, the

1580
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:32,580
whole point of being an
aeroplane in the sky is that you

1581
01:32:32,580 --> 01:32:35,940
can actually not fly into the
rain cloud, you know, sometimes

1582
01:32:35,940 --> 01:32:39,270
unavoidable the direction you're
going but lots of times, you

1583
01:32:39,270 --> 01:32:41,370
know, it's like I don't want to
go you know, it'll take me five

1584
01:32:41,370 --> 01:32:44,340
minutes longer if I just go
around it. Right. That's,

1585
01:32:44,340 --> 01:32:48,660
that's, that's pretty common
stuff. But yeah, so he basically

1586
01:32:48,660 --> 01:32:50,070
he did not want to fly through
it.

1587
01:32:50,790 --> 01:32:55,740
No. And Dube was really to tell
you the view because you get to

1588
01:32:55,740 --> 01:32:58,200
see all these big Nimbus is
which are, I think, is one of

1589
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:03,030
the prettiest clouds there are
beauty spectacular. And it

1590
01:33:03,060 --> 01:33:06,540
happens to be a Nimbus, which
has decided to become a

1591
01:33:06,540 --> 01:33:10,320
thunderstorm where you see the
light inside the cloud. You

1592
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:13,770
know, it makes it look like a
light show ping, ping. It's

1593
01:33:14,010 --> 01:33:18,330
quite a sight. One time I was
flying to Chicago, this was an

1594
01:33:18,330 --> 01:33:20,910
extra with the other really
great site ever saw. I saw a

1595
01:33:20,910 --> 01:33:22,890
number of things from an
aeroplane I also saw the roar of

1596
01:33:22,890 --> 01:33:26,730
Borealis. But I was flying in
the Chicago

1597
01:33:27,359 --> 01:33:31,229
in search of the Crystal Skull
in the crystal skull.

1598
01:33:31,710 --> 01:33:35,130
So anyway, I was flying to
Chicago and there were about 50

1599
01:33:35,250 --> 01:33:40,350
funnel clouds in the sky. Yeah,
they're all over the place. I

1600
01:33:40,350 --> 01:33:40,830
mean, it was just

1601
01:33:42,540 --> 01:33:45,780
a little little mini funnel
cloud is really kind of

1602
01:33:45,810 --> 01:33:48,630
frightening when you see a
little you know that just the

1603
01:33:48,690 --> 01:33:53,130
beginning development of a
funnel cloud. Yeah. It's kind of

1604
01:33:53,130 --> 01:33:53,580
scary.

1605
01:33:55,260 --> 01:33:57,570
But anyway was like But it was
this was a very early in the

1606
01:33:57,570 --> 01:34:01,140
morning, and then they were lit
with a kind of a golden colour

1607
01:34:01,140 --> 01:34:07,350
was just like, wow, where's the
camera? Anyway, enough of that.

1608
01:34:08,939 --> 01:34:10,139
hour and a half my friend.

1609
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:13,530
I guess we're done. Yeah. So we
got the election coming up. Now

1610
01:34:13,530 --> 01:34:15,960
we're you want to do a special
broadcast right after it?

1611
01:34:15,989 --> 01:34:20,219
Yeah, I'm thinking that. Let's
see. It probably will have

1612
01:34:20,219 --> 01:34:23,219
probably have to wait until
until Wednesday, because

1613
01:34:24,329 --> 01:34:27,629
Tuesday. It'll be in the you
know, like, really early

1614
01:34:27,629 --> 01:34:31,529
morning. Wednesday morning for
me, I think and who knows, you

1615
01:34:31,529 --> 01:34:35,669
know, who knows what happens. We
may go into recounts that maybe

1616
01:34:35,669 --> 01:34:36,929
all kinds of stuff going on,

1617
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:39,120
but I'm sure they're going to
demand recounts here and there.

1618
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:43,950
I mean, it's that's a foregone
conclusion. But there's a like,

1619
01:34:43,980 --> 01:34:48,030
apparently number of states like
Mississippi have 20% more

1620
01:34:48,030 --> 01:34:49,950
registered voters in the
population.

1621
01:34:52,140 --> 01:34:55,890
Have you seen Hacking Democracy?
Have you seen that? HBO special?

1622
01:34:56,340 --> 01:35:00,360
No. Oh, oh, you really need to
see it. It came out to I think

1623
01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:05,910
it was over a year ago. And it's
basically these grandmothers and

1624
01:35:05,910 --> 01:35:08,220
don't think really old
grandmothers, but you know, 60

1625
01:35:08,220 --> 01:35:12,480
year old grandmothers, and they
go to find out if if the voting

1626
01:35:12,480 --> 01:35:15,240
machines actually can be
manipulated, and well, I won't

1627
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:21,210
spoil the ending for you. Right,
but it's, it's about you should

1628
01:35:22,170 --> 01:35:26,160
there's a link from curry.com
check the show notes from the

1629
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:28,560
daily source code. I talked
about it, it was really

1630
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:36,180
phenomenal Hacking Democracy.
Really will surprise you it was

1631
01:35:36,180 --> 01:35:36,780
possible.

1632
01:35:37,470 --> 01:35:41,460
Well, I'm whatever the case is,
you know, whether it's Obama and

1633
01:35:41,460 --> 01:35:42,600
Sarah Palin winning,

1634
01:35:43,260 --> 01:35:47,130
or for that, man, I get horny no
matter who I think of

1635
01:35:47,699 --> 01:35:50,909
and, or would be, you know,
McCain and whoever he's I guess

1636
01:35:50,909 --> 01:35:52,529
Biden's running with him. I'm
not sure.

1637
01:35:56,069 --> 01:36:02,789
All right, my friend. All right.
Okay. Well, I'm gonna be here

1638
01:36:02,789 --> 01:36:06,269
for I think, at least another
week, so probably, well, after

1639
01:36:06,269 --> 01:36:08,879
the election, that's what we'll
do the next show, maybe the day

1640
01:36:08,879 --> 01:36:12,149
after the election. Okay. Until
then, I'm coming to you from

1641
01:36:12,149 --> 01:36:14,609
Gitmo nation east. I'm Adam
curry,

1642
01:36:15,239 --> 01:36:18,149
and I'm up here in northern
Silicon Valley, also known as

1643
01:36:18,179 --> 01:36:21,779
get more Nation. I'm John C.
Dvorak.

1644
01:36:22,199 --> 01:36:25,139
We'll talk again next week right
here on no agenda.

